Brandon Herrera’s First Debate Goes Viral ft. Chris Barrett | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 287

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• 0:57Speaker 01

  I must have been 19, maybe when I did the Model 99. There's a couple of governments that use it now.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  You're a nerd like Brandon.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  This is gonna be fun.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  Young, dumb, full of come. It's that, I wanna go to war.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is my motherfucking shotgun now.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  This is not legal advice.

• 1:11Speaker 04

  For all intents and purposes, the intent of the, the NFA is dead.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  We're doing trunnion fix?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Girl, show me that trunnion.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  These are the conversations of men who have never kissed a girl.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And then we gotta hold this up. Oh, Chris popped it here. You can pop this one for me.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  I popped another one.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  We'll do on the three, two, one.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  I didn't know I was holding the pot.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Okay, everyone hold it up and then I count to three.

• 1:52Speaker 04

  It's like you've never watched an episode.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Walking in cold.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Three, two, one.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Delightful.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  Try that one. That's the one I was, I was gonna drink that one.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Cody started off.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Double Tap, Chris Barrett, Brandon Herrera, myself, Don and Operator. Thank you so much for being here.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  What's up? Look who we got today. Mr. Chris is in town. We had, we were supposed to do this, what, months ago and then, uh?

• 2:27Speaker 04

  He had a lame excuse.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Lame.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  I'm gonna surgery.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  I don't wanna die.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Had to make some modifications.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  All right, we got, we got this guy Chris here. Chris, why are you here?

• 2:40Speaker 01

  I, I mean, roped in by this guy, I think.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I texted you a couple of months ago.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Walking in cold here, yeah.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  All right. Cause I, I thought you'd be a great guest for the podcast. Cause we've hung out before a handful of times and you just, you know, you're a fun guy. You got a cool story and I figured you'd be a great fit for these assholes.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  They're autistic as shit, so they're gonna enjoy this. Like, oh, gun stuff. Oh, okay.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  That I can talk about.

• 3:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Dude, give a, give a quick background on yourself. Let the people know that maybe don't know who you are or how you are, uh, inside this industry.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Inside the gun industry, I was, um, I was born into it. You know, my father, um, is Ronnie Barrett, who invented the, uh, the Barrett rifle, the Model 82A1 that eventually became the US rifle M107. And I guess our short story is that my father was the only living firearms designer to have a rifle adopted by the US military.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  Really?

• 3:32Speaker 01

  When his rifle became the M107, he was the only one, you know, of a not committee designed rifle. Like, he would be like John Duran or Sam Colt or one of these guys. And it's a big deal to have a rifle officially adopted by the US military and get a type class designation. And so he was the only one until in 2022, a rifle I designed was also adopted by the US military through SOCOM. So my, my rifle, the MRAD, became the Mark 22. It's a Mark because it came in through the Navy. Dad's is an M because it came in through the Army. And so he and I are like the only two, uh, rifle designers, firearms designers have rifles adopted by the US military and

• 4:11Speaker 04

  It's a cool legacy.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  That was our big hit, you know?

• 4:14Speaker 04

  I saw the, uh, the MRAD in a movie the other day. It was that, it was that Chris Hemsworth movie. I watched it on fucking Netflix or whatever the fuck it was, but I saw that the MRAD got quite a lot of

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Time on that. Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I've gotta see this one.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Which, which one's the MRAD?

• 4:25Speaker 01

  It's the multi-role adaptive design. Glad you ask. So it's, uh, it's the modular long-range precision rifle that goes from like 338 Lepua Magnum down to smaller calibers and, and apparently to, to anything else we want that's coming out. So, and it's now been adapted up to the MRAD ELR, which is a 416 Barrett capable platform that we're shooting stuff at 4,000 yards with.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  Editor, show an image.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  It's the, the bolt action right there.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  The Mark, yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  So the MRAD is the commercial name of the, the product and then, you know, SOCOM called it Mark 22.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  I never knew that. That's why the MK came from the Navy side. That makes more sense. Cause the MK, like the

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Navy, Marines, SOCOM, MK.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  No shit.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Army Air Force is an M. So M4, M16, M9 pistol.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Just learned something new today.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, same dude. No idea.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if it comes in through like Crane or the Navy, it's gonna be a Mark, like a Mark 19 or

• 5:23Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's, that is funny, right? But then they can buy, you know, the, the military wide can buy off of either of those contracts. So.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  How did, was it going into, as you're saying, like you and your dad, which is amazing, both of you are the first individuals to be like sole individuals, like, hey, we're buying this through you. And then it's a father, son team on top of that. Um, the 50 cal system will got you into that specifically and your pops into it.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. This is, it's fun to tell dad's story and he's got, he's got the way he tells it. I've got the way I tell it, but I mean, they're, they're all the same story, but it's, it's cool because it's, it's interesting to people who aren't even into guns because it's a real American story.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  You know, it's a real, like, it's a real American dream success story. And it's just a guy, America was an underdog, you know? And my dad should not have been able to do this. He was a professional photographer that, uh, people, people thought, is he an engineer? No. You know, he and I both barely graduated high school and he'll tell that too. You know, so we were not engineers. We were not in the military. Uh, there was no military requirement for a gun, a rifle, like the Barrett rifle.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  And nobody was asking for it.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Nobody was asking for it. Uh, you know, and I saw a Henry Ford quote the other day. Uh, he said, if I'd have asked people what they want, they would have said a faster horse. And so, so sometimes, you know, a thought leader, somebody's got a shape where you're going with technology. Because the people would just ask for something that takes the form of something else they're already familiar with. So dad really broke out of the box on that one. There was no requirement for, and, and in fact, people laughed at the idea. It's like, you're gonna shoot a 50 BMG from your shoulder? Because before that, everyone only knew it for the M2. You know, like, we're talking about a 75 pound crew-served weapon that shakes the earth when it goes off. And if you, if you just saw that thing for the first time, that machine gun, and he said, yeah, I'm gonna shoot that same cartridge from your shoulder.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  And not just shooting it from the shoulder, but like, and not just like a single shot or a bolt action rifle. Like, nah, I'm gonna make it semi-auto too.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 04

  Like that's, that was a wild jump. Like

• 7:24Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  Bolt action is a single shot. Like, that's a logical, like, you could do that with just about anything.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  But the biggest joke for me is, I wanna make guns.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. Well, you know, the, the fun

• 7:37Speaker 04

  I'm sympathetic.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  A fun part about that story is I think my dad was like 28, you know? And I did some stuff really young too. We'll get into that. But it was like, apparently when you're that age, you do not know or don't believe what's possible. And you just do things that someone else has kind of been already beat down by, I wouldn't do. Cause it seems too, too unbelievable. But a kid can do some crazy stuff if you have tenacity to stick to it. So he did that and you're right, made it semi-automatic, like, which is part of the magic of why the thing works also. If you've ever shot, you know, I know you've been around all this. If you shoot a 50 caliber bolt action, it kind of hurt.

• 8:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  You know, the, the recoil is a system of the 82A1 is part of the magic.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, I've, I've got a couple. I'm a bit of a fan.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Did he have like type of an engineering background?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely not.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  He had the engineering mindset though to be like, oh, I can fucking do this.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Correct. My dad is a creative guy. You know, he's a snazzy dresser. He was a photographer. He's just a creative guy. He can, he can draw, you know, he's a good sketch artist and I, I kind of got that and so did my sister. But, um, the only background my family even had in this at all, people like, well, did your grandfather start this? No, my grandfather was a cabinet maker. So in our hometown, my grandfather and his four sons, my dad was one of four, made like all the cabinets and went all the houses in the 1960s and 70s and all this stuff. So when my dad, you know, I saw some of his early drawings, which he still has. Designing some of these parts and it's like drawing an isometric view with like seven and three quarter inches like you would make a cabinet door.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  And people had to teach him is like, hey, we don't talk in fractions of an inch. We talk in, you know, decimal points and this level, but it, he just took it that way and got it done and kind of learned from people along the way on machining techniques. It's an improbable story.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  So that's why, so like in, in my very early on, uh, you know, trying to develop like AK-50 stuff, like your dad's story was like just such an inspiration because it was just like, because what he did with the Barrett, with the, uh, the M82 was something that was usually reserved for multi-billion dollar corporations or world governments or things like that. A dude in his garage in Tennessee was not doing shit like that. And, uh, for him to be able to do that, not only just succeed in making a gun that didn't explode and actually worked quite well to being adopted by the military, just as again, a photographer in a garage with no engineering background, things like that. That was a big inspiration to me because it showed me that it was possible.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  Multiple militaries.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  So like the Germans use a Barrett rifle and it's called Gaver 82.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Can you imagine the Germans using a rifle that's made by people at Tennessee? It started in a garage.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Australians use it too.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Australia, it's in, I can't remember how many countries it's in. It's a lot.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  I can't, dude, wrapping my head around, again, this is before the age of information. Your dad is reading books to learn this.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  And winging it and going from a photographer to that is wild.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  I just put it, there was no chat BBT.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:35Speaker 04

  I just, I just realized too, that, uh, this was before like fuck AI. This is before SolidWorks.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 04

  Like CAD did not.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  I brought CAD to the company and converted our pencil drawings into models. Where I found out, you know, like everything was wrong, you know? But it's, uh, in a way, maybe some of the information might've been more pure. We had, um, Colonel George Chan's books, the machine gun. You know, like all these volumes and it's like, uh, just unbelievable. Stuff that people come up with now, like, look at this new operating system for rifles. Like, oh yeah, 1934.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  If you turn to page 147, section B, it's in there. So it's, um, you know, it was, there was some good pure information, but yeah, not as easy to get.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Oh, you're a fucking nerd like Brandon is, are you?

• 11:18Speaker 04

  This is gonna be fun. Well, cause that's, that's one of my favorite periods of weapon design in general is because nowadays, you know, people have kind of refined and dialed in. It's kind of like every car looks like a fucking oval nowadays. It's like, we kind of figured out what works. Uh, but back in the early days, man, like in the early 20th century, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. There was like 8,000 different ways to skin this cat and people tried everything.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Have you ever been to Reed Knight's museum in Florida?

• 11:43Speaker 04

  I've heard about it several times.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, I can't.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  I really want to.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  Like, like Knight's Armory Museum. Kevin, the literally, the first time Kevin was on the podcast, he showed up hungover and he was like, sorry, I was there the day before. We had some, we had a couple of drinks. We were driving.

• 12:01Speaker 04

  Is it, I think they were driving Ferraris around the tanks or something like that, like.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  I, I had that experience also.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Almost, I took one off-road.

• 12:09Speaker 04

  No shit.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, not on purpose.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  The tank or the Ferrari?

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Uh, McLaren.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  Great off-road cars.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, buddy.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Famously.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  It would've been a amazing news article with me and Reed Knight. Two, two firearms guys dead in one day.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  That's always the joke is a donut operator and five others.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  But that museum, to your point about, you know, the, the stuff he has there shows like, well, here's 10 different ways these people were competing for this army contract. And like each one of them had a different little mechanism mousetrap and it's, it's cool. We don't do that anymore.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, I've, everything's very safe and very sanitized and very, again, like you were mentioning earlier, committee driven.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Where back then it was just like, you were an autistic German guy who's just like, fuck it. I think this will probably work. Got, got working on the lathe and you've made one. It's like that. The, the operating systems back in the day were just so fucking neat. Did they work better than what we have now? No, not really, but it's different and it's, it's neat.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  With the process of going through, cause it's, it's the books. How did you even find those books to get that started? Even jumping from photography to that.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, you couldn't even jump on Amazon and order this book.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  Exactly. It's like, and then, okay, I'm building this network.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  You still can't.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  That's true. Yeah.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  The good, like legitimately, some of the best resources for stuff like this is you have to have like an eBay saved search.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  To see if some dude in, you know, Czechoslovakia, Czechia is gonna, uh, is gonna list it for sale for $800 for a book, like seriously.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that, that's what's crazy and having that in that timeframe. And then also, oh, who do I even talk to to get this contract going or conversation started? It's not the internet. You're just cold calling people. It's, that entire process is wild to me because you are in the age of zero information. You're just calling.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  It was, it was 1982. So we were just kind of, you know, I was a baby. Um, but you know, dad bootstrapped this thing to gun shows. I think, man, I hope I tell this right. I think one of the first ones he ever went to was the Houston gun show with like a looped VHS tape to make it look like this thing ran.

• 14:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  You know, I said.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  They're just firing one round and like looping it on VHS. Hell yeah, dude.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then you take pre-order. That's what he did. I mean, he tells it in, in his story. He take, he took pre-orders for the things, didn't know what he was doing. And, um, and it didn't work out the first generations, you know, and.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I get it.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Like losing money, you know, trying to make this thing and, uh, but just sticking with it until finally, again, there was no military requirement for this thing. And then a military saw use for it and it was not the US. It was Sweden explosive ordinance disposal.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Was the first building of the rifle and it was just, and then the air force, the US air force used it for EOD. And, um, then I think, I think kind of the Rangers started seeing it and like, what is this huge gun you guys have? Cause they weren't shooting people with it. It was a tool, it was an EOD tool.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  It was for the, for the 50 round, right?

• 15:02Speaker 01

  For 50, yeah.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Just blowing up bombs and like.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, they call it smudding. They call it smudding when you, uh, you disable or you, um, damage unexploded ordinance from a distance.

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  That's not what I think of with smudding.

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  Oh, really? Does it have some dirty?

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  Smudding.

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  Oh, I guarantee it. Smut is, yeah. If you're checking out smut, look it up, Brandon.

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• 15:28Speaker 03

  Well, it's crazy. Like my military time, it was always the running joke, the 50 caliber, it's not a anti-personal, it's an anti-material weapon and you're shooting at the person's chest plate or you're shooting at their weapon. You're not aiming at the person, you're aiming at their weapon.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  I mean, it's a, it's, man, there's so much relevance to this, this now. That is the kind of freedom that we have in the United States to innovate and do something that people don't know they need that ends up being used by our warfighters. And like what's happened this last week with just taking the shackles off sound suppressors and short barrel rifles.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Oh my God, yeah.

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• 16:02Speaker 04

  So apparently smudding is, uh, kissing or heavy making out with touching. There's also, three down, gun smudding, looking at guns and ammo to the point of having a sexual pleasure.

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• 18:25Speaker 04

  No, but that really was a huge thing, not the Dirty Chris, but

• 18:31Speaker 04

  the NFA stuff recently, man, I'm just so fucking stoked.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  It's crazy, you know, I, I own retail stores, I have these retail stores called the Outpost Armory in Tennessee. And I think I went in there on, was it last Saturday? And there's like piranhas around the suppressor case. You know, what do you got, what do you got, what gun can I put the suppressor on? People were just buying suppressors that had never wanted to before. They're all gone by noon, like we sold everything we had and but it'll be interesting to see what happens and it should be, it should be a period of great innovation. You know, because when you, when you take the brakes off these things, cool stuff can happen.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Well, now and a lot of the guys that were doing like 3D print stuff, like a lot of those guys who were just like testing stuff out. Now they don't, those guys have always been a little fast and loose anyway. Like now they're really, there's no restriction, like they can openly talk about their data and just like make in their garage with no licensing, no nothing, and just kind of share that with the world.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  And you guys are talking about what, what changed with the NFA?

• 19:24Speaker 03

  We're explaining it, so like tell people, because again, I didn't know this until last week, I thought it was still that weird role in between until like a few days ago.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  There was a period, there was like a period of uncertainty there for a minute.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  So before, you know, to, to obtain a sound suppressor as a civilian or a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun, you would go to a store, identify the item you want. And then you would fill out a form that goes to the ATF and you send $200. And then you wait, it used to be forever, like nine months, a year, and a tax stamp would come back. And this would be your approval, so you could go back to the store where you bought the suppressor almost a year ago and say, okay, I can take possession of it now. And by that time, like two other iterations of the thing you bought have come out by now. Well, now you can just walk in and you can identify a suppressor you want and you go buy it, just like a firearm. You fill out your, you do your background check and you're in Tennessee, it's a insta-check, which takes about 10 minutes.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  And then you walk out with your item. So it's like, I don't have to wait a year for this anymore, I don't have to pay $200.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  You walk in, you pay for it, you walk out.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Which is fucking awesome.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Suppressors cause crime.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Clearly, they're the dangerous part.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  The dangerous one.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  And then just for reference, Brandon, it was the first one to be part of this, you and

• 20:42Speaker 04

  First, and state rep, I do want to give flowers, state rep Wes Friddell, HD53. We were the first two individuals, and we did that with Silencer Shop, Gun Owners of America, B&T Silencer Co. Everybody like flowers where it's due, they were rock stars, but yeah, we were the first transfers in over 92 years, without a tax stamp legally. There's a lot of people who, you know, yeah, you know. What happens between a man and, his garage and a drill press is between him and God, but

• 21:13Speaker 03

  And his car's oil filter.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  The, the legal one, this was the first legal one in 92 years without a tax stamp. Which is fucking awesome.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  There's probably a lot of stuff getting unburied now out of PVC tubes in the backyard.

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Boating accident recovery surge in history, it was fantastic.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Can I saw down a shotgun barrel now?

• 21:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  What about vertical grips?

• 21:35Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  So SBRs or all that dumb stuff you can just go buy?

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Suppressors, SBRs, short-barreled shotguns, and this gets left out a lot, AOWs.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  AOWs, yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Do we have to worry about like state rulings now on those things?

• 21:48Speaker 04

  Yes, there are 15 states, that's actually a good clarification, good job, Cody.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  I don't want the audience going out there and be like, yeah, this is my motherfucking shotgun.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  This is not legal advice.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  There's weird states like Alaska, North Dakota, you know, Washington, Oregon.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Alaska's in there?

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Fucking, I don't, I don't know, man.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  That's the weird, sorry, I figured that would be open season.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  You would, you'd think so, but they, well, they just have restrictions that were pre-existing, basically the state law says that you have to have a, an NFA tax stamp to own those items. Basically, they were just, it was state law reinforcing federal law. But now that there is no federal law, there's 15 states that still have that in existence, like Georgia's one of them, North Carolina's one of them, Colorado, I think Nevada, there's a couple of red states that I think really you have a shot, there's like three or four states that I think can just be like taken off.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  All right, so just real quick for the audience, we were talking about like you can have suppressors, you can saw down barrels. It is Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Washington.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  That's, some of those really catch me off guard.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  This is for what, the list I saw, I forgot what the question?

• 23:01Speaker 04

  That you still need NFA due to, due to state law.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  The state tied things with the NFA.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  Like a lot of these, it's wild, you figure would be the exact opposite, they'd just be like, yo, have a good time, Alaska, Montana.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  I think Alaska, Montana, Georgia, they all have a shot at removing that.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Gosh, we gotta keep the momentum going.

• 23:22Speaker 04

  Mississippi's fucking, that's a weird one.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, Montana's the weirdest one in my opinion. On that list, I'm like, Montana, you figure, but that is a good old boy state.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's very, very Western. Well, at least it was before Yellowstone, now there's a bunch of hippies moving there.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  SBR, I'm gonna go buy, I didn't realize it was part of the SBR, I'm just, I already have, I've done, God knows how many.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Tax stamps on all that shit.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  The money that we spent on suppressors and tax stamps and shit.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  You did, SOT.

• 23:56Speaker 04

  So as a dealer, it's, it's just free, like we just put in the, you know, put in paperwork. I did see a picture though from a gun store today where it was just like their, like rifle accessories or whatever, and like everything was fully stocked, except the like mag pull stocks where like the shelf was empty. And the caption was visual storytelling.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  How was that like coming from your side of actually seeing that go through?

• 24:18Speaker 01

  I, I was, I was telling some kids, my kids the other day, I was like, you guys don't know what it was like. You know, I feel old.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  15 miles uphill both ways.

• 24:30The Fat Electrician?

  $200 in 16 months waiting, y'all never understand.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  I actually had that talk, that's what I sounded like, the 94 crime bill, I was like, guys, it was just saying, Bill Clinton was the president. The 94 crime bill, do you remember, do you, you're not old enough to even remember this.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  No, but I do know like the, the crime bill and then, well, the assault weapons ban, like the 10-year ban.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  The feeling of, I can't believe we're here because the feeling of being 1998, 99, 2000, whatever, and you buy a Glock 19 and it comes with a 10-round magazine. And you go to the gun show where your buddies, my buddies and I did, you go to the gun show and you go through tubs of magazines and you find this beat-up Glock 19 magazine that holds 15 rounds, it was made before 94. Piece of, you know, it's like, it was like it was rolled down a hill, it's $150. And you buy one, so you have one 15-round magazine to carry in your Glock. And ARs, I'm telling my son this with like horror in his eyes, I'm like, we couldn't have a collapsible stock. The muzzle wasn't threaded, and that's really what it was like.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  Stories to tell around the campfire, scare your friends.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  The lights facing up for me.

• 25:38The Fat Electrician?

  The [BLEEP] said we couldn't own cool guns.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. My first AR, I think, I think I bought like an Armalite AR-15, it had a fixed A2 buttstock with a bare muzzle and it came with a 10-round magazine, so stupid. And you would never think from there, fast forward to 2026, we're shooting unregistered suppressors with force reset triggers. We have, we have suppressed machine guns legally.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Dude, the FRT, any of that is the most wild thing.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  And to have the ATF director defending FRTs in front of a congressional field hearing is fucking bananas.

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• 26:41Speaker 01

  Well, we need to, we need to stop and be thankful for it.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Because it's wild and like some people, these kids ain't gonna know, they're not gonna know, this is the golden age for this stuff.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, because I mean, before like, because people get mad at me for saying, I'm like, the NFA is effectively dead. Like, we're not done fighting, there's a lot of shit that needs to be done, we need to, you know, make sure we fix things in those 15 states. Ideally, we codify this through legislation and whatnot, but really like the DOJ had their chance to appeal. Trump shot that down, White House level said, no, we're not gonna do it. We now have, I mean, you can, you can get SBRs, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotgun suppressors, all that without tax stamps and with FRTs being legal.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Effectively, like for all intents and purposes, the intent of the, the NFA is dead.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. I the dark the dark side of this, I hate to think about why they're letting this happen now. But it's because that's not how we're controlled anymore. We're, you know, I'm not gonna, I don't know what kind of podcast this is.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Go for it.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  You have a microphone, my friend.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  I better, I better be quiet. I'm not drinking any alcohol for the record. I'm just gonna be completely sober.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Not a living.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Well, that just tells you like folks at the top aren't worried about that anymore. They're not worried about us having little gold guns.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  I don't know. Well, I feel like there's, as somebody who's been on the inside of that now, there's people like that that are directly responsible for this. Like congressmen that are directly responsible, like Congressman Andrew Clyde from Georgia.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I know.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Like, he's, he's fantastic. And like, they were the ones who fought tooth and nail to get this through because they knew that it would lead to a court battle. That would end up here. So it's like, this wasn't just like our puppet master saying like, oh, that's okay now. But it was like, it was the work of like some hardworking, true patriots, really, that I cannot give enough credit to. They really did fucking get this done. This is, I, in my opinion, my humble opinion, this is the biggest gun rights win of our lifetime.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure. Yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  I think that's, and that's gonna stand for a while. Again, the last one lasted how long?

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Well, the

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Ninety-two years.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that. I was still on the AWP.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that was

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Ten years. I couldn't believe when that sunset, two thousand and four.

• 28:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, cuz I think that was, so that was Clinton's ban, but then Bush campaigned on saying that he was gonna let it sunset. He was not gonna renew it. Cuz it was like a ten year period.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  And he campaigned saying that he was not gonna renew it. And sure enough, it lapsed. Was it two thousand and three, two thousand and four?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  I think it was two thousand and four. Yeah, cuz it was ninety-four to two thousand and four. And man, I mean, I remember that feeling. Those hundred and fifty dollar magazines became twenty bucks and

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Especially

• 29:20Speaker 03

  in two thousand and four, or like in two thousand, a hundred and fifty dollar magazines, it was a wild expense.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't think about that.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you only had one. You had one that you carried. When you went to the Ryan, you shot your ten round magazines. It was so crazy.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  I think one thing that Clinton did do, I think, I think it was Clinton, the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act. Where law enforcement officers, as long as you're a cop, you can carry wherever you want to.

• 29:47Speaker 04

  Which, yeah, what was that?

• 29:48Speaker 02

  To, that was

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Are you a big Clinton fan then?

• 29:52Speaker 02

  What are some of his? I thought that was pretty cool when I was a cop to be able to like carry wherever I wanted to.

• 29:57Speaker 04

  Dude, he was just on the island for the jet skis.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are some of his other accomplishments?

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Leos.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  Chris Trues violence, Cody up buttons his Clinton shirt. He's like, I'm not a Clinton. He's like, I was just trying to pay a compliment.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  It was cool to carry a gun because I was trained to carry a gun, but whatever.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz that one's even, that's helpful for Rich even in New York cuz he can't have any gun out there other than

• 30:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, oh, no.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  Law enforcement.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  Leos was two thousand and four. That was Bush.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  That was Bush?

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  It says that was H R two eighteen, a United States federal law enacted in two thousand and four that allows qualified, active and retired law enforcement officers to carry a concealed firearm in any state or U S territory.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Leos was Bush?

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck me. All right. I take back everything I said. Bill Clinton's a

• 30:46Speaker 01

  The sheriff.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  I still get, I still wonder if that's, if I get Leos privileges.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Special deputy.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  I've got a special

• 30:58Speaker 01

  That sheriff is in jail now, though, so.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  That's always good.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. I wonder where that is. I need to find that. I was always afraid to, you know, you gotta, it's pretty ballsy to whip that out.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  You might have, you might have a real cop tell you what's up.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  I wanna get you a special veterans.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Special deputy.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Special veterans license I can hand you. Do you try to whip it out during a fucking poll? Hey, special veteran.

• 31:27Speaker 04

  Honorary, some might say.

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• 32:08Speaker 03

  Dude, also, Brandon, just a big shout out to you and your debate. You crushed her. God bless her overworked heart. You destroyed her on that stage.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  I, so, I got a lot of advice from some friends of mine, including like, you know, Brandon Gill and like a couple of other members of the Texas delegation that, you know, were kinda giving me some coaching in the beginning. And the one thing that all of them fucking said, they're like, look.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  Nobody has ever won a political race based on a debate performance. But plenty of people have lost one

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Due to a debate performance. So don't fucking lose. Just don't lose. That's all you, that's your objective. So I had a great time. I thought it was great. The memes were fucking amazing. Like that night. I, yeah, drove back to, to my house and I just, I watched the, the debate for the first time, like, you know, not in the moment, not fucking, you know, over, overworked, overworking my brain. But just seeing the memes people were putting up on Twitter was, it was entertaining. There were some people that were stoking the flames of that, I think.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  We, yeah, we watched it live on stream and like

• 33:11Speaker 04

  You watched it live that night?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, we all

• 33:13Speaker 04

  I didn't know. I was, I was a little bit occupied at the time.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Why?

• 33:17Speaker 04

  Ah, nothing.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  No, so, so I streamed it and I'm looking at the YouTube stream because they did the first thirty minutes where you guys talked on the local news channel.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  And then they did the last thirty minutes online and they're like, we're taking questions from online. And I started seeing habitual line crosser and angry cops. And then my chat was jumping into it because I was streaming into it. And that poor girl, I can't remember her name.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  Jordan was her name, I think, something like that. I don't remember.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  We're taking questions. She's gonna cry. She's like, we're taking questions from chat. And the whole chat was just like, how many cookies is she fucking eating?

• 33:53Speaker 03

  The chat was brutal.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  It was nasty. So I, that, so that was the funny part. I can, I can tell this part now, too. So I've always tried to be nothing but polite to stout. Right? Like, the, the two times we met, I found out she lied to a journalist, said we never met. Two times we, we went in person, like, I tried to go up and shake her hand both times, both times. She had somebody intercept to make sure like, she did, she doesn't wanna talk to me, doesn't wanna shake my hand. We walk into that studio. First thing I do is I shake her husband's hand, just being polite, like, really, genuinely, just trying to be a nice guy. Shake her husband's hand, shake her hand. And I'm just joking around with some of the staff. We're awkwardly standing there for eight minutes before this goes live, like, sitting there in the studio. And I, I'm, I'm around with the, the anchors, like the moderators, like, I think, I wanna say her name's Jordan. I'm sorry if I'm fucking that up.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  Uh, but she was talking about some of the questions she was getting in chat. She's like, okay, then this is a real debate. I wanna hear everybody's answer on this. Meaningful questions such as, when you're putting on your shoes, is it sock, sock, shoe, shoe, or sock, shoe, sock, shoe? Real questions, the real, and we were just around. I'm just like, oh, yeah, no, I feel like you have to be sock, sock, shoe, shoe, you know, like, we're, we're bantering, whatever. And somebody's like, oh, well, I'm not a sock, shoe kinda gal. I'm like, is everything okay at home? Like, are you okay? Do you need help? We're fucking around. And she just like, could not be to, to engage with anybody that wasn't her DC handler. It was, I even tried to joke with her directly, just to try to break the tension. She just kinda goes.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  It's

• 35:25Speaker 04

  It's just, it's just being a, just, just being an unpleasant person.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Well, you, well, I think none, none of, none of the people like in my chat or even me personally would have been. You know, we, we say some rude jokes here and there, but we wouldn't have done that if she wouldn't have called you a fucking Nazi or tried to attack your personal character. Like, everyone kinda took that.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  That killed her perfor, in my opinion, it's what separated you is you stayed on focus. You actually were offering solutions. It was, hey, here's the problem, here's the solution. And then very rarely did you even go after her character. You didn't care about that. It's like, yeah, exactly. You didn't go after her character. It's like her policies is what you went after. And that showed the difference and then the professionalism because you were like, oh, here it is. I will say my favorite part that got me, and I just wanna read it, is after he made millions of dollars after making jokes online, making fun of Nazis and making fun of veterans, I'd, Brandon, what's your response? Brandon goes, here, I thought it was a bad thing to

• 36:25Speaker 04

  Here, I thought it was a good thing to make fun of Nazis.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  And like, the moderators laughed and she laughed. You could see it in the video. She laughed instinctively and then like, mm, like buttoned back up. She's like, damn it, like.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  And then she tried to, I misspeak.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  I misspeak.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Dude, she instantly like

• 36:41Speaker 04

  I didn't realize how much she fumbled over her words until I rewatched.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Maybe you were being too nice of a debater. You should have gone Trump on her a little bit.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  He's a masturbator, but

• 36:49Speaker 04

  A master, I am a master debater.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Well, she brought up the hating veterans thing, like, I think it was three times.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Of every topic, AI data centers. He hates veterans. It's, yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  And she, well, she has so many unforced errors, too. What, what she was trying to, like, on the data center thing, she just randomly attacked nuclear energy. And I'm like, you couldn't have waterboarded that out of me, but all right, nobody brought that up. But if you, fuck it, all right. But she, what she wanted to happen, what she wanted, she's been painting me to her entire campaign. She's been slandering me left and right. Trying to paint me as the extremist, radical, angry, evil, mean man.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Goose stepping.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Goose stepping.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  Well, she, she kept trying to get me to take the bait and I never did.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  She, she kept trying to get me to engage on that and I just stuck to the issues. She didn't have any policy. They kept, the moderators are actually very good about asking specific questions about what specific federal policy would you like to see implemented to solve X problem? And she never named a single one. At no point during that debate does she actually answer a fucking question.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  No, it's, it was, when you pointed it out, she takes donor money from data centers and then her immediate response was like, he can't even name them. I'm like, that's your response? It's not like I don't take the money.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Video I did?

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, that like, I didn't see, wait, you did a video on that?

• 38:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  No, I wanna see that.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Editor, put it on screen.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Well, I think it's interesting that my opponent is fighting apparently now for the regulation of data centers. While she's funded by a, an organization that wants unrestricted, uh, construction of data centers in West Texas. Saying I am

• 38:26Speaker 01

  That's the opponent.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  You should have definitely gone Trump.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Which you cannot name.

• 38:35Speaker 04

  The receipts.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Dude, say, which you cannot name, not saying like, no, I didn't. It's, you can't even name them though.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  I, I think I said.

• 38:49Speaker 04

  Sure as shit can. Uh, turns out the FEC reports are public.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  But, uh, Brandon, just like, big shout out to you is how professional you handled it. And you were so well spoken. It caught, I think, a lot of people off guard too, because they were expecting you to, Brandon.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Dumb, dumb, poo poo joke here, Nazi, blah, blah, blah.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's like, we didn't get here on accident.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Oh, wild.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  And then to attack veteran was wild to even go down that lane when you had the opportunity to just go, hey, and you did. It's like, we've donated millions of dollars to veteran nonprofits to help aid veterans because of the issues that are at hand. And then, nothing from the other side.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Uh, I, I'm glad we got the opportunity to, uh, to shout out, uh, our boys, uh, you know, Colazo, uh, and like just the boys at, uh, Nashville Metro PD. Just talking about their, their response to their school shooting and just how great of a job that they did, actually identifying and just pushing forward and ending a threat like. Ace's, Ace's job there. So, I need to text him. I don't even know if he knows that that happened.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  You got, you have to watch it. You can find, we'll send you a link. Cause it is, uh, the debate you, I mean, you just seen a glimpse of it. It is fucking.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Well, what, what drove me crazy, we were watching it live on my stream. It's, she's like, he's just another millionaire. And I, and I told my chat, I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, the first time that I met Brandon Herrera, he came down to Fort Mill, South Carolina.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Uh, to hang out with me. And he didn't say it at the time, but I bought him a barbecue. Like I, we went to my favorite barbecue joint. I bought him a sandwich.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Oh, no, actually, no, you didn't buy me a sandwich. I said, I wasn't hungry. If you remember.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Okay. So.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. You had a barbecue sandwich. I'm like, oh no, I just ate.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  But I, I, I bought him fucking food there. And the reason I, I didn't know this till later on is like, because you couldn't afford your own sandwich while we were there.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  No, I was so fucking broke. I was driving back from a work event and I had just filled up my, my truck with gas and it was just everything I could do to get home. And, uh, I just filled up my tank and I had $4 left in my debit account. My debit card account, like I had nothing left. So like that, that was when, when we first started hanging out. I was brokered in a fucking joke. And now it's like, I'm not, I, I, I feel like I've done fairly well for myself and I've, I've reinvested that back in the country. I've got 700 grand of my own money in this race. Like I, I'm putting my own money where my mouth is because this country's done fucking amazing things for me. It's given me amazing opportunities. It didn't give me the success, but it gave me the tools and the opportunity to succeed for myself.

• 41:33Speaker 04

  And I want to preserve that for my kids, my grandkids, and just, just keep this country, what, like what makes this country great? I want to preserve. And, uh, I didn't mean to turn this into a fucking campaign pitch, but for fuck's sake.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  I was just, and again, I don't even look at that as a campaign pitch. You're just trying to speak good of America, which needs to happen one more. And you crushed it. And we can't, again, I loved watching that. It looked like an individual that's running for Congress versus an individual running for their middle school.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Class president is what she came off as is like, I, I, I'm gonna get snacks for free.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Pizza for Fridays.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Oh, that really happened? Oh, she's basically like that. Yeah. The, I don't know. Well, the, the thing that drives me crazy too, is she kept using the, that was a bizarre line of attack. What, he's a millionaire. Like, okay, that's actually, that's a good thing. Like I was, but she, she'll talk about her dad's success story about how, and it's, it's a great story too. Like, it really is. Like he's, you know, her father was like a, uh, like a field worker who worked his way up to become an attorney. Right? But then like he, he is the American success story. That's awesome. But then I have the same story. And she'll shit on me for it. Can you believe he's a millionaire? It's like, okay. Well, all I heard out of that comparison was that. I, or you were born the daughter of an attorney and I was born the son of a fast food worker.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  And achieved a, a, you know, multimillion dollar American dream. Like, yeah, that's, isn't that a good thing? Like, is it? The same success that your father saw, which is awesome. It's great. You know, flowers where it's due, but like, what, why is it wrong when I did it?

• 43:11Speaker 01

  In her defense, that suit did look very crispy. That was a nice suit. I'd be suspicious.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  That red tie?

• 43:17Speaker 04

  Oh. Shout out, limited bespoke.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Shout out to whoever had the, uh, the podiums for you guys too. That was fucking funny.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  I was not involved.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  What, all right, what happened on the podium?

• 43:30Speaker 03

  I don't know. Wait, what? Yeah.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  Just the see-through podiums.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Okay. I doubt, yeah, I didn't notice this. My.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  I, I didn't realize too, because how much they cut to the wide, that how, how much I was just like aura forming the podium.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  But it was.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Oh, swagger, swagger from the voice down.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  The first like five minutes, I was nervous though, because it's like, okay, again, in my mind, it's like, don't fuck up. Just don't fuck this up. There are now millions of dollars riding on this race, the future of the house. Like. There's a lot of people that have put their, uh, have hitched their wagon to me and like, I have to be the one to carry it across. So like, don't fuck up. Once I got comfortable up there, like, oh dude, I could do this for another two hours. Let's roll. Let's do this.

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• 44:41Speaker 01

  You had that, how long did the, uh, opening jitters last? Was it like 30 seconds? Was it five minutes?

• 44:46Speaker 04

  Being perfectly candid.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Pressure feeling.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Thirty, the first 30 seconds was rough.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  The first 30 seconds, I was like, oh man, like the nerves just hit all at once. But after that, it was, yeah, just like the live shows. Yeah. It's just like anytime you're, it's like public speaking, but you know, it's live. There's no editor and you can be like, if you fuck up, you fuck up.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think I have, when I've spoke in front of lots of people, it's been about 30 seconds. You feel like your voice is even cracking. It's probably not.

• 45:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  And then you, you get over it after a second, but we just don't, I don't do it enough to just walk in cold like that. Maybe you're getting there. So.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, it depends. Like this was different because this was my first debate. Like nobody's ever, my entire political career, I have a speech and debate background. My entire political career, I guess you could call it that. I've been trying to get people to debate me and nobody will. Like Tony never debated me. We couldn't get stout to debate me until just now, because she's losing in all the polls. So now like this is her hail Mary to win.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  And it was the worst hail Mary because the Kelsey betting odds went from like a 62 or 65 to now 72 and Brandon's favorite. Like.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Oh, really? It was like a five point jump.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. She hurt herself from that debate.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  It hurt itself in confusion.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  I thought you'd like that.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  But, uh, no, it was, I mean, it was a good time. It's, it's, and it's just a wild experience. And I've tried to, I've tried to change my mindset too, a little bit. Cause like stuff like that, I, I don't necessarily want to do, like, it's like, it's a lot of pressure. It's, you know, these things going on, but I've, I've tried to change that mindset from, you know, I have to go do this to, I get to go do this.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:23Speaker 04

  How many people actually get to take their ideals to a, to a national stage and to like a, a live TV audience and like, being able to be the advocate and being able to say all these things in front of this many people, to be able to, to push their ideas forward. It's like, you know what? Fuck it. I get to do this.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's good.

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• 47:49Speaker 03

  How was their response? Was it different for them seeing the sheer amount of YouTube comments coming in? Cause I guarantee those that we've seen those news networks are never used to that level of attention when we did the Buffalo school thing and that one

• 48:07Speaker 03

  one journalist made fun of us and made fun of Rich for bringing what was going on with the kids at Buffalo school attention. He called us gross. They went live that Monday. And you got to see when they're like, okay, we're going live in the comment section. His face go.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  It was just shitting on.

• 48:25Speaker 04

  Cause Rich, Rich was like, you know, basically his whole thing was, oh, well, you know, children are being

• 48:34Speaker 04

  abused, like they're.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  Parents aren't being informed.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  And the school system is covering it up.

• 48:40Speaker 04

  And then their response was, huh? Well, this officer did this on a podcast where they burped and said bad words. It's like, oh, really? You're attacking our boy for being a whistleblower about child assault? Are you fucking kidding me?

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Wow. This is like elementary school, by the way. And they were like, parents, one, two kids almost got kidnapped. One of the kids peed themselves in fear. They stopped the kidnapper. Then they didn't tell the parents. They just said, oh, little Johnny peed his pants. We don't know why. They hid it from the parents.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Oh, my. Meanwhile, an intruder had unrestricted access to the school that he should not have had. And they did not tell anybody.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  So, and that's like tip of the iceberg. And they tried to delete the footage, like all the security footage. One of the teachers had to know with all to be like, I'm going to record this. Cause why are we deleting this? So Rich came on, he described the situation and a really heartfelt message, but then they had the journalists tried to attack him. Oh, we've never seen journalists were changing. They had titles that would go live. They actually turn, they changed their titles in order to not get attacked. They're like, hey, uh, like we fucked up.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  I was telling you about this the other day. I was personally calling. Some of those journalists had like phone numbers that you could look up like from the studio. I was calling and leaving voicemails like, hey,

• 50:01Speaker 04

  like it's, I don't know. I, I feel like in order to have journalistic integrity, we have to have.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  I don't know. Journalistic repercussions when you do shit like that, like, cause these people are not used to being called out. They're used to being able to say whatever they, they want, going home and nobody knowing their name. Yeah. It's like, no, no. If you're going to lie and you're going to fuck, like, if you're going to fuck with our friends when they're trying to do the right thing. Oh yeah. No, there's going to be repercussions.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  There has to be a cause for, for doing it wrong.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. We're, we're going to make you feel the pressure because you deserve it.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  So with you, like, what are your favorite? I mean, you're huge into firearms. You've made your own. What got you in the process of making like the MRAD, right?

• 50:42Speaker 01

  You know, I, again, grew up in it. You know, dad started the company in 82 and had designed that first 50, but I, uh, in high school, I took drafting classes, you know, like computer aided drafting. And when I graduated high school and, you know, I'd already been doing little things at the company on the way as a kid and, um, but when I came in, I was like, well, I've learned something at least in high school, like this computer aided drafting. And we were, um, everything was on paper.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Real quick, what, what years were you in high school?

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Man, y'all asked me what my age was. I was.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Never ask a lady your age.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  I'm surprised that that was OG drafting too.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  I graduated high school and this is kind of crazy. I graduated high school in 96 and, um, you know, I came and I did, I did kind of everything at the company. I knew a little bit about everything, but I, I started taking these drawings that were in pencil. And I started putting these things into 3D models. My first, I, I used AutoCAD, AutoCAD at first and then Pro Engineer. And it started turning these things into 3D models and you find a lot of stuff. You know, you find a lot of stuff that's wrong. You can cheat on a drawing with a pencil. And then like you go put this in a model and like, wait a minute, it's not 3.8 degrees. It's actually 4.2, you know, just because of the way the geometry plays out. So did all that and, um, kind of pretty quickly led into starting new rifle designs.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  So, you know, I graduated high school in 96 and I was working on the model 99. I was working on a rifle before that in 97.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  That was the bolt gun, right?

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Hmm. Which really became the architecture for everything else we did afterwards. If you ever really look at a model 99, the monolithic upper with the barrel that was pressed into that and, and bolted in to this piece of aluminum, that became.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Has been bolted?

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, with the, the, on the model 99, the barrel pressed in from the rear and then it had a retention nut in the front. So the back of the barrel was kind of in tension. But that architecture became what became the 98B, which became the MRAD, which became the Mark 22. So I was, um, I don't know. I don't want to do the math, but in 97 I was doing that and I was a child, a child. And that, I must've been 19. 19, maybe when I did the model 99 and that rifle is still in production and there's a couple of governments that use it. I want a 19 year old child. Like how I, have you seen a 19 year old recently? Not a female, just a 19 year old regular person.

• 53:09Speaker 04

  I've been around. Yes.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Babies.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  They're children.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  I think that's, that's also like a crazy thing now. Like, cause like when I was, you know, in high school, a 19 year old was like, oh my God, that's like a grown ass man. That's an adult. And now I look at a 19 year old. It's like, that's a fucking child.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  It's a child.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  Like it's, it's, it's weird how your perspective shifts on a lot of this stuff.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Send them to war. I look at that. I was like, I was deployed at that time. I was like, I was in war around 19 or 20, which is fucking wild to me. Cause I look at, they're just kids to me. I'm like, what the fuck? That's a baby.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  I, I did, I did a lot of stuff young. Like I think I'm, I had a house when I was 18 and I was making payments on furniture and stuff like this. And I look at kids now and I'm like, wow, like they don't even want to drive. I mean, I'm something older and older.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  So did, did your, did your dad have you in the shop? Just like watching all this stuff? Were you just hanging around or?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  No, I did. You know, even when I was a little kid, I would be out there. There is a contract where I put together every scope range and, and mounted the scopes on the rifles. I think I was probably 13, but I was damn good at it.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  You know? Yeah. And those rifles are probably still in use somewhere, you know, in another country. So, yeah, I did all that stuff and, you know, I learned you know, when I first got there, I, as a, like a kid out of high school, I think I was probably operating a saw and I'd sandblasted stuff and I, I kind of know how to do everything, but that made me able to design things. Dad and I built cars too. We did that when I was a kid. You know, so I wanted my metalworking, paint, design stuff, all these mechanisms you learn from doing things like that. And you don't get it all from a book.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  It's like practical intelligence. Cause I'm sure you've had to fucking deal with this before. We have these engineering kids who like, they can't weld. You know, they don't know how to work power tools. They don't know anything, but they know computer. So you get those like one, one up like point 0001, you know, uh, one, you know, thousandth of an inch fucking press fit tolerances on all these parts and CAD and shit like that. Cause they're like, oh, theoretically it should work.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  But they don't actually have any experience with making stuff and it fucking shows.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. And I, what I wish is that I just knew, I wish I knew all the stuff that a degree in engineer had, but plus my experience and I just, uh, I didn't get it that way. Ironically, the first Barrett to have a mechanical engineering degree is my daughter.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  Really?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  I have, I have a daughter that just obtained a mechanical engineering degree.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  How old's your daughter?

• 55:32Speaker 01

  22.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  Good God. Already like fucking mechanical engineering. That's crazy dude.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  She's a mechanical engineer with a fundamentals of, of engineering certification and, you know, dual major in that and applied mathematics. So she.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  She work at the company or?

• 55:45Speaker 01

  No, no. She's doing her own thing, which is good. You know, I never, uh, my kids are welcome to do anything that I ever did, but I never wanted to make them feel like they had to follow that path.

• 55:55Speaker 04

  Like force them into the dynasty.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  I made, I made them all write five year plans for me. Like, what do you want to do? And like, let me help you, let me help support you on that. So, and if they want to get into this business, you know, we've got retail stores and other things. So we can do that. But now I'm trying to figure out what they want.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  I was going to shoot. Well, sorry.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  It's, sorry.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  With the kid aspect, you had them write five year plans?

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did this about a year ago. I had a mandatory family meeting and I said, I took them to dinner. I was like, guys, here's what I want from you. And I said, this is not optional. I said, I want your one year objectives, like what are you trying to accomplish right now? And then I want your five year plan on, and it has to be everything. It has to be, you know, your physically, your relationship state professionally, spiritually, all this stuff financially, where do you want to, what do you want to do in five years? And of course, all these kids aren't going to have it figured out yet, but my oldest daughter immediately, like she returned hers perfectly. And you know, the purpose of doing this is, and I said, don't be afraid to tell me what you really want. If you want to live in another state or another country, like tell me, like I just need to know what it is. And I know you're asking because you've, you've got a couple of kids.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  And you have to, it's time to make them start.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  One and a half. I've got, I've got it. I've got my seventeen year old.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 04

  Seventeen year old son and then one's loading.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  And then you can have them, you can have them revise it every year. But the, the point of it is, is you know, I want to help my kids. But I can't help somebody who's aimless, you know, like I can't fund, like I don't have a plan, like that's not getting any funding. Like you gotta have a plan.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  I scared the shit out of my parents because I, I like, I, I was a straight C student, middle school, high school. I didn't really kind of like even get any traction, like kind of catch my groove until college, which I was only in college for three semesters. So like, it was really like, I didn't, it wasn't until I started my gun business and like really started getting into that, that like I found the, the spark is what my dad called it. Like found the spark. Cause before like my parents, I'd now looking back, I understand why they were terrified. They're like, oh God, he's a shithead. Like he's never gonna get his together. Like, oh, we just raised a bum. But like you just have to find that thing, I guess.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  And, and some people struggle to find it, but I, I do think like making your kids define it. And they're not going to get it right. And you can refine it every year. But at least, what I told my kids was, is if I know what you want to do, we can all be on the same page about it and I can help you achieve what you're going to do. But I can't help somebody that doesn't even know what you're doing, you know, so. Man, it's just got all feeling in here.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Well, I, dude, I love this. I think we love it because it is, it's hard with your kiddos that do have access to a lot more than usual. Like I look at our kiddos, Cody looks at his, I'm like, man, my kids are spoiled compared to, I grew up in a seven hundred square foot house with seven people, like we tiny house, poor as shit. And now I'm like, man, my kids' bedroom is bigger than my goddamn house was.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  I, I like what, I like what Nick says about it. He's like, damn, he's like, how do I give them the right amount of trauma? Like give them, how do I give them everything that I never had while also making sure they have enough trauma that they're funny? It's like, where, where, where do you meet that middle ground?

• 58:59Speaker 03

  I think that's a proper way because that is holding them accountable. It's like, hey, I need you to have a path at least.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:06Speaker 03

  That you're hitting goals. If you're not hitting those goals, move those goals and then find new goals. But you're not just wandering around like, man, I'm aimless, fuck it.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  I'll be fine.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  And I'm, as parents, you should, you should help them achieve stuff, but they've got to, can't be your idea. It's gotta be their idea. My, my son just went through MEPS and he's now in the deployed, uh, what a delayed entry program for Marine Corps. I didn't see that coming.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  The Marines? Homie, I would have been like Air Force, my kiddo.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  We'll see.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  Hey, he's gonna come out strong.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  What's he want to do in the Marine Corps?

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Uh, he just wants to skip everything and go straight to force recon. Selections, so he needs.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Hard charge.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  He's, uh, physically, he, he is a bodybuilder, weighs everything that goes in his mouth, super disciplined. And physically, he's got it, he's got it all. But you know, we'll see. He's got, he's got some more high school to go. And I didn't see this coming, but here we are.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  That's a crazy, I mean, good on him. It's, especially if he makes it, it is going to be, if I can give you a piece of advice to relate to him. Do not quit. It's going to be just keep putting one foot in front of the other because that's all they're going for. It's like, you'll hit that mo, it's like a road march, a thirteen mile or fifteen miles, one foot in front of the other. You're gonna want to quit. You're just like, nope, there's the finish line. I just gotta just keep pushing. This fucking sucks. Holy shit. I want to quit so bad. Can't quit right there. You just gotta get there.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  You know, and I, I don't, I don't know how to advise kids on stuff. I never went to college, university, my dad didn't. So I had kids that did. My two daughters did, and then I, I don't know how to advise kids at this part. And I told my son, I was like, do we want to go to Annapolis first? Like we would go that track, Naval Academy, see if we can do this. He's like, no, I'm done with school. He's like, he's, he's ready, man.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  Young dumb full of come. It's that, I want to go to war.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  I think that's what it is.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Could be the podcast slogan.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Dude, that's literally.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  There's gonna have to erase the young part eventually.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  You're still there, man. You're still, we're all there, we're all there.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  It was.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Positive thoughts.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  I wanted to go to war. Combat sounds dope. I wanted to play. And then it's the first gunfight you get into, it changes everything. You're like, oh, that sucks way more than I thought that it would.

• 1:01:21The Fat Electrician?

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• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  I forget how many, how many deployments did you do?

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  One sixteen month deployment.

• 1:02:16Speaker 04

  Okay. So just one long deployment.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it was mission, I mean, mission two is when I got shot. We lost two, two, uh, died. So Ham and Gadiar got killed. Five got sent back because the mortar that dropped and that was mission two.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  When you said the mortar got dropped, like what, what, how, why'd they get sent back?

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Uh, so we were out on mission. Uh, that was like that eight, 10 hour gunfight with all my shit going on. Third platoon, first platoon had to do day patrol. They parked on ID, moved ID exploding like, woo. The exact vehicle was like one oh one or one oh three, uh, first platoon, first squad or third squad. They pulled off, it exploded. Nothing happened. And then they go back to base because we lived out in sector. They went back to the big base where there's like running water, food, chow hall. They get the chow. They go park their strikers in a little circle. They drop the ramps so they can eat chow. A mortar drops right in between them on base.

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  Fucking right where it hit, just pepper straight inside the striker. Single piece of shrapnel hit Ham in the heart, killed him instantly. And then the rest just got ate up by, uh, shrapnel from the mortar and that's how the rest got sent home. Taylor, so I had my pants. I just went straight to chow after mine. I didn't even go to the aid station yet for, uh, when I got shot. I like got back, everything happened. I was like, I'm just fucking hungry. I want to eat first, then I'll go to the aid station. Went eight, Taylor sits down across from me. I see his face. I'm like, yo, what's going on? He's like, dude, I lost my whole squad. I'm like, what happened? And then he's like, tells us, we lost Ham. I was like, we just fucking lost God here. And I was like, oh, that's mission two.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Then I was like, man, gunfights fucking suck dick. And then you're just in that the entire time. And all that young dumb full of come goes out the window really quick. Like I just want to get home actually.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Happier note, you just met up with some of your boys recently, right?

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Literally all those guys, uh, Taylor, all those guys. It was one of the fucking coolest, awesome experiences. I haven't seen them in eighteen years.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  That's fucking crazy, man. That's wild.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  So we sit, we get up, I surprised them with bringing stores in. They even know stores is gonna come into town. Markford literally teared up seeing stores walk in as a surprise. There, we have a podcast coming out with all of them during the, uh, Veterans Day month. And it was one of the coolest experiences. And then Finn got to hear some of the stories too. Finn's like, what the fuck? Holy shit.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Finn's from there, which is kind of funny. I saw his story when you guys were palling around. He's like, never thought I'd be back on home turf with Eli and all his army buddies, but whatever.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Living that dream life. And they all had stories being blown up or, and it was really cool hearing a lot of them I forgot about. Or that just because we were in different platoons, they had different experiences or, uh, it's just wild. But it was instant back with the boys. I'm like, oh, I blow with these dudes. These are like my brothers that I have been through the shit with. And everyone was just joking, eighteen of us got together.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Yes, we're down in Nolan.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  Nolan, having a fun, just, we're old as shit though. So it was by 10:00 PM.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Because you said you were.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  We're gonna go party hard.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  Well, because you said you were the, you were the young guy, right?

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was the young guy in that group.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Give, give me a little background here. Where, where were you deployed? When was it?

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  Uh, this was during the search. So two thousand six or two thousand seven, two thousand eight during the huge push to Iraq. So we were in Baghdad, then, uh, East Rashid in Baghdad, and then Bakuba, which is like the Diala River province for the second half of the deployment. And it was a six, sixteen months with a two week break in between. But we were tip of the spear. So it was always like, hey, you guys are in the front lines. We actually used, uh, fifty cal on one mission. And then never brought it again because it was so heavy. Like this thing's so fucking, oh, okay.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  You guys were, were pre M one oh seven.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  So that was a heavy bitch. That was the eighty two A one.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  It's still ain't light, you know, and it's just, it's.

• 1:06:18Speaker 03

  We bring it, we'd use it all the time on, again, we lived out in sector. So we lived out, we didn't have running water. We got to rotate to base every twenty two days to shower. But yeah, we got to, uh, we'd use it in our little, uh,

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  What do they call that? Not on sector, you call them a FOB or Cobb, so combat operating base. So out there, that was one of our weapon systems we'd use all the time.

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• 1:07:14Speaker 04

  So when, when, when did the 107 roll out?

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I think 107, man, I'm going to mess this up. I think adoption was right around that time. It might've been as late as 2012.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  Gotcha. Which one's the 107?

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  It's the big 50. I should know these things. I don't, I'm not good on them.

• 1:07:29Speaker 04

  It's the, so like a lot more titanium. It's like a lighter version. It's also suppressor ready. Okay.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  The, the rifle, you know, as all systems do, it just gets better every year. And that one, you know, had a big push and it was, it was actually Norway that Norway adopted a version of that first that

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  Scandinavia loves you guys.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it kind of became in 107. It was mostly, if you look at a 82 A1 NG gun is what it was called. It kind of looks like an M107. And yeah, so it came around about that time. What happens though, and you made a comment about the weight of it. We kind of go through times with this or that rifle. Maybe people forget what it does.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  That's literally the problem. We were like, oh, this is built for like a quick mission setup.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  No, but then, but then, you know, and there's been all this talk of, you know, is the 107 replaced with something else, you know? Nothing does what it does still though. And, and that's the thing. And what it does is it is around 30 pounds and it carries 10 rounds in a magazine with semi-automatic fire. And is it as precise as a bolt action precision rifle? No, it's not. But it delivers payload to targets with rapid fire. And it does it a lot better than a mark 19 or a, or a belt fed into.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, you're going a minute of car at 900 yards. Like, yeah, that's like, it'll do the job.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  And it'll do a lot better than that now. I mean, I legitimately see sub two minute of angle.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  Oh, I just, I just mean like if you're, if like

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  You're, you're targeting a Jeep, right? No, the, the problem was, and no, it's not, not Toyota. The problem was with the 50 cal system. This is what really always plagued the 107. If you take the 7.62 by 51, the 308, like the ammunition is figured out for that. So you could, we can go to Walmart. Well, when Walmart's to sell guns, buy a 308 gun and a box of federal gold metal match and, or even the military match ammo, and it's going to shoot great. There was never ammo like that for a 50 cal precision rifle. Never. All the ammo that people shot in Barrett rifles was like D-linked M33 ball, which actually doesn't have a requirement. It doesn't have an accuracy requirement. It has a dispersion requirement. You know, like it's supposed to shoot like this big group. You know, now like it's got so good, you know, Barrett is

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  now selling a fact, a loaded in-house 50 caliber match round. And it's incredible.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Cause that's, that's one of the things that we benefited from, from early like AK-50 prototyping was we, we were using like the Hornady, like Amax.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Amax boy. Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  That, that for data was just, it was so consistent. And that, that was so much better. Cause you know, you use ball like random off the shelf, like $3 around 50 cal. It's like, fuck no. You're not actually getting any real concrete data there. Cause the, the spread is so sporadic.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. People, you know, people that aren't really deep into this have no idea how important every component of the system is to actually deliver, deliver shots on the target. It's everything. And you know, the optics have so much to do with it.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  And dude, I will say what I loved about it was it kept heads down. You're like, you're 556. If you're firing, part of when you're in a gunfight is okay, get rounds down as quick as possible. So they're also trying to duck. They're afraid to get shot, shot at. So just return fire as fast as possible. When a 50 cal is kicking rounds down, they hear that and then they're seeing the damage. If it's not hitting them, what is going next to them? And they don't fucking peek their head out.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  I've never, I've never been shot at in anger or, you know, even by accident that I know of.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, that implies you've been shot at in a different scenario.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm trying to think back like, you know, I, I've been around guns since

• 1:10:57Speaker 04

  I've been shot at in mild frustration.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  You'd call her.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  You said the minute of car. Yeah. It's like the greatest predator of the Toyota Hilux is that. Yes. Like marked on the side of the gun. It's just like

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  The Barrett gets up on the ridge.

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• 1:11:26Speaker 01

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• 1:11:27The Fat Electrician?

  What should do its work?

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  The, the kinetic energy on target though, to your point, I've talked to other guys who have been shot at a lot. And apparently, you know, like when a 556 round hits a wall, it's like not really as noticeable. But when a 50 cal crashes through a cinder block wall, it is, yeah, it is demoralizing.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  It talks in cap locks.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  It talks in cap locks. Yeah. You chose the wrong fight. I went, so.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Dude, it is punching through, as you're saying, concrete barriers or like cinder blocks where you're like, oh, and then you're just seeing holes punch through it. And you're like, what the fuck? It's not so, what the is hitting right now?

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  What's it? Yeah. And so it's, and, and now, you know, what I'm super excited about, and it's not even a new thing, but 416 Barrett, you know, one of our cartridges that, that I did years ago now, but now it seems like it's

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  Oh, you were involved in that? Like you actually, you developed it?

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  I drew that.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  No shit?

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  Yes, I did that. I didn't do like the powder. I didn't formulate the powder.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  Well, cause I thought it was, uh, like to my understanding, it was mostly a response to like the California 50 cal ban. Or am I wrong?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Everybody thought that and it, um, it happened. It would, it just coincided with that. Because if we had wanted to just make a, a compatible, a compliant cartridge, we could have necked the 50 down to 475 and kept it the same length and just thrown it in the gun and it would look the same and everything, but it would have been compliant. We were actually going for performance.

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. So better ballistic coefficient.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  That, that car, the case is about 0.625, 5/8 of an inch shorter than a 50. And I steepened the shoulder angle because you know, the old 50 cal is very, we're getting really nerdy now, but it's like, it was based off a 30 out of six, right? It's like very pointy. And I made the shoulder angle sharper, which we do with all match grade cartridges now.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  Because I mean, the 50 cal originally, like that, that was literally just a scaled up 30 out of six.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  If you hold a 30 out of six up to your face and a 50 here, they, they're the same cartridge. Like you can just like optically compare them.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  John Moses Browning literally hit the scale up button.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:13:20Speaker 04

  Like 2X.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  So I made the case shorter and made the, made the, um, the shoulder angle steeper. But we designed it around a 400 grain projectile going, it went way over 3,000 feet per second. Now we have, we just didn't have the right platform at the time. We shot it in the model 99, which is pretty good. Now we have the MRAD ELR. So it's just a scaled up MRAD. And that thing, like, the first time I actually shot it in the wild was at my farm and it was only at 750 yards, but it was, it's just weird. It's eerie. Shooting a bullet that heavy going like 31, 3200 feet per second. It

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  How's the recoil on it?

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  It's nothing in the ELR. I mean, it's like, yeah, because it's, it's kind of a heavy rifle with a big muzzle brake.

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  I was going to say, you guys, because it's not recoil operated, you can go with kind of a more aggressive brake and not worry about the

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Right. Of course, now everybody wants to shoot suppress. So it's not, it's not nothing, but it ain't, it ain't bad. And the rifle has enough, enough weight to it. But man, hitting stuff with that, it, it makes the 50 look funny. Like it is crazy how fast it gets there and the energy it has.

• 1:14:22Speaker 04

  Well, cause the 50 drops off dramatically at like, what the 800 yard mark? Cause like you're just losing so much speed.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  And it's got the weight. Like you're always going to be hitting somebody with 700 grains of fuck you, but like at the same time.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  Air resistance.

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  Speed is what delivers energy.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  But that point you just made is going back to what I was talking about earlier. It's why the 50 will never really be replaced. It does things and we forget about this. Cause like we just have these short attention spans, but nothing else pushes a 750 grain or what is a, the rawest round, the mark 211. It's a 660 something.

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  660 I think is like typical ball.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  That is a, the, the rawest mark 211 round has nine components in the projectile. It has a penetrator. It has C4 in it. And you're not going to get that into a 30 cal.

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  That's why it's always been kind of a gray area for like gun shows and stuff. It's like

• 1:15:11Speaker 03

  C4?

• 1:15:12Speaker 04

  ATF has never said that you can't have it. Nobody's asked and we, we're kind of keeping it that way.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  There's not a lot of it out there. I mean, but it's, is there? I don't know.

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  It's around.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  There are.

• 1:15:26Speaker 04

  It's like, it's, it's expensive. Last time I, I bought some, it was like 150 bucks a round or something like that.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. But it does things out of a regular small arm system. It's like, it makes that gun very effective.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  Cause like what other round can deliver that much payload?

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. That's, that's it. It's about the payload. And you know, we, we got into things. Man, there was, there's so much cool stuff through the years. We've done so many things at Barrett that, that never, some are just in the prototype shells. And, but a really fun one was, um, was the XM. Man, don't mess this up.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  The drone one?

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  No, the XM 109, which was

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  25?

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Probably the 25 millimeter. So that, that was not really depending on kinetic energy. It had point detonating fuses by the time we got to it. It was around the same time as the O objective crew served weapon, which was using these fancy electronic fuses for airburst.

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  That shit's wild to me. Just the idea of it's like, there's a bullet. Oh, look what it does. Okay. Let's make it explode now.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 1:16:24Speaker 01

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• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  No, no, no, I gotta ask, are there modern units now that you can talk about who are using? Like some of that crazy shit?

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  I'll probably, I'll probably tiptoe around that on, yeah. I mean, it's.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  Some letter boys do.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  I mean, this stuff is happening so fast now, I can't even keep up. And it's, um, there, there is what is public knowledge now is that Barrett has won. A contract for the precision Grenadier system.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  The thirty mil?

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Which is a shoulder fired, pretty light system that does the same kind of technology of. Again, nothing is new. This goes back to the objective O I C W O C S W program, objective crew serve weapon. Where it, um, it has these air bursting. It's technically it's a grenade launcher or a cannon in the, in the case of XM one oh nine, because it sees a certain velocity. But yeah, they can, they can fire a large projectile out there. It doesn't need kinetic energy from the speed. It can go over this wall and then it explode here, five meters beyond.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  To my understanding, you also, because it's no longer a grenade and now it's a projectile. There's different rules for the rules of engagement as well.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  I think they've, they've gotten around things like there's certain payload capacities and things like that, that they're. I've, I've, I've heard that they work around some of the rules, some of the projectiles.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  I guarantee, that's what we're going back to, uh, the fifty cal, like the sniper rifle is meant for. Enemy weapon systems, you're shooting at the chest plate, you're shooting at their AK, you're not shooting at.

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  It's equipment.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, I missed the equipment and hit them. Oh, that shit happens.

• 1:19:44Speaker 04

  Or you hit the equipment.

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  And then.

• 1:19:46Speaker 04

  And it didn't stop.

• 1:19:48Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  It's the, the joke about aiming for their chin strap.

• 1:19:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. The XM one oh, so it's the XM one oh nine. What is that?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  XM one oh nine was a modified version of an M one oh seven. That had basically, it was an upper swap that allowed us to fire this 25 millimeter point detonating. Grenade, again, it, it like exceeded the velocity of a grenade launcher. So it's technically called a cannon. It was a shoulder fired cannon, cannon.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Maybe we were shooting projectiles around like. I want to say it was around eighteen hundred. This is, this is old for me, like eighteen hundred feet per second, like kind of like Magnum pistol.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  It's a fucking bullet.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  But the projectile was over an ounce. It was like this huge projectile. And the beauty of it was, you know, the only other thing that carried that kind of explosive payload was a mark nineteen. Which is kind of, which is in an area denial weapon, like you fire that and boom, boom, boom, boom. And it like showers an entire area with explosives. So there's like, you don't know what you might hit. This thing, four hundred yards away, five hundred yards, you can say, put this grenade through that window on the third floor. And it, and it can do that. It was very accurate.

• 1:20:55Speaker 04

  So can the mark nineteen, if you give it enough tries.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Every other window too.

• 1:21:00Speaker 03

  We have some stories on that. You'll see on that podcast, we're talking about. Markford, it was like, yeah, he was like, hey, what the they're crossing. We were doing a, uh, we were. Gordon off two areas and we're like, don't fucking fight each other. We're putting up barriers, stop going there, uh, as soon as she has to just fight each other on this area. So we just put up a barrier down senators and no one was allowed to cross. And then people were like fucking around and then they were like told, Markford was told to stop them. He's like, well, how? He's like, just shoot, shoot warning shots. He had a mark nineteen. He was like, okay. Just launch it's fucking mark nineteen. Scatter real fucking fast.

• 1:21:44Speaker 04

  Mission accomplished.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. Captain comes over the radio, Markford just turns the radio off.

• 1:21:53Speaker 03

  I was like, dang, just for reference, the mark nineteen bullet speed, four hundred and ninety feet per second.

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  It's also a much heavier projectile.

• 1:22:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's still, you're, as you're saying, it's like an ounce of twenty five.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  This thing had mega recoil. And I, I shot some of the very first ones. Um, we did everything we could for, for recoil mitigation. And I mean, this, this is so long, I can talk about all of this stuff, but when it was first, when we were first doing this, we were kind of. Doing the Barrett thing. We came to market with some stuff that other people were going to study forever. And we're like, put a point detonating fuse on that thing and give us ammo. And we'll start shooting it today. It won't have this fancy electronic fuse and all. There was a lot of issues with that back in the day. And I remember, um.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  It's terrifying.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Going up to Fort Campbell area, but we could not shoot this thing on Fort Campbell because it was not safety certified. But we, we did end up at, we ended up at this range called rattlesnake ridge, like a range off property. It was just like a lot of guys that needed to see this thing shot.

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  That sounds like the exact place I would go off property to test something that was not safety certified.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Speaker 04

  Just go up to rattlesnake ridge.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Rattlesnake, that's actually the name of the place, rattlesnake ridge.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, this guy's got this thing up on rattlesnake ridge. He wants to shoot it off. It's pretty gonna be pretty fucking bad.

• 1:23:07Speaker 04

  So these, these grenades explode mid air. He just don't know how the fuses work right now.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  The number of active duty guys that showed up that day. Off, off of Campbell to see this thing. It, it was like, this is gonna happen. It was, it was a thing that was actually needed and provided like huge capability and. Like, man, these, these were fun times.

• 1:23:29Speaker 04

  Dude, so one of the, uh, one of the things, I think it's actually the first time, one of the first times we ever interacted like online. Was when I picked up that, uh, the M eighty two A two.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  That's, I forgot about that. Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  The shoulder fire. I do, yeah.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:23:42Speaker 04

  To my understanding, I think it is. It is the, I think it's the only civilian owned, uh, M eighty two A two in the country.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  Well, tell the story. The M eighty two for people, the M eighty two is a modified version of the eighty two A one, the fifty caliber architecture. That instead of putting your shoulder at the back of the rifle and firing it from bipods. Your shoulder goes about midway into the rifle and you fire it from standing.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  Editor, pull up a photo.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, over your shoulder. It's a crazy thing. Uh.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Cause I think they only made what, twelve? Or I guess I mean, you only made twelve?

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know how many are out there. It's like, it impresses me to know that you have one of those. So that's how many are out there.

• 1:24:25Speaker 04

  That was what you, I think that was what you said in the comments. You're like, I don't say this often, but that's a fucking unicorn.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  I think there's like a couple of them ended up in certain militaries, like there was, I think it was the Norwegians or the Finns or something like that. One of them got, uh, shipped to a Hollywood prop house for Jurassic Park three.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  As they're like twenty mil.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Robocop was one of the early fifty cal semi automatics, but it wasn't this.

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  They had a Pausa, actually was, was Robocop two. I think they had a Pausa P fifty.

• 1:24:53Speaker 03

  No shit.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  Uh, listen, I was the coolest kid in school when Robocop came out because the Cobra assault cannon. As a Barrett rifle, that's why, that's what Robocop shoots the, the bad robot. You know, the, the big, the big two legged things. He pulls out a, they called it the Cobra assault cannon. It was a very early model eighty two, like pre A one.

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  They had this big box on it and I got to go to school.

• 1:25:14Speaker 04

  Or it just looks like folded sheet metal.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then there was a video game. There was a Robocop video game like on Nintendo that also had the gun in it. So I was like. You know, I was like in elementary school wearing my Barrett firearms t-shirt. Like, yeah.

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  My dad works for Nintendo. Yours is like, my dad built that fucking gun.

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  That was like fourth grade or something, but it was, um, yeah, the, the gun of Robocop. And it's, it's been in a lot of movies over the year.

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I bought, uh, or I almost bought, excuse me, it was an early, it was like one of the first. Hundred Barrett's, I think it was like, it was one of those, again, the eighty two pre A one. Uh, it was like thirty grand or something like that is what they were trying to get for it. And I, I kind of wanted it just for the history element of it.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  Cool. Like it's, it's just neat.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:25:59Speaker 03

  You heard my dad shot it.

• 1:26:01Speaker 04

  A two. Yeah. He shot it without ear pro.

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:05Speaker 04

  Fucking psychopath.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  God, that's as redneck as it.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  I did that one time on accident. You usually only do it once.

• 1:26:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  That was loud.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, but yeah. I believe you.

• 1:26:18Speaker 03

  It was like one time. The rest was pretty quiet.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  That morning, he sits on Wendigoon that that day.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  God.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  Shoots it.

• 1:26:26Speaker 04

  No wonder you had to turn the TV all the way up. Fucking shot that thing without ear pro.

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  Dang, that was loud, man.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's in the background of my studio now, like the A two.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  I fuck about that thing.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  I really think we need to bring that back.

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  It's cool. Well, it's also one of my favorite parts about it is when I got it in. Like to the average person, it would have been like, oh, but to me, it's I, I was giddy as is how shittily it was converted.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Cause it's very clearly like it was a prototype, prototype.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  Like the, the magazine insertion, like the, the little square they cut out was like clearly done by hand with a Dremel and shit like that. It was just like, he was clearly like Barrett putting together like, I mean, let's give it a shot and just taking an M eighty two A one and converting it over.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  It has a vertical foregrip.

• 1:27:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  And you know what it is?

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  It's just a.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Reverse A two.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just a M sixteen A two pistol grip turn around backwards.

• 1:27:14Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  You know, so it was, I just had to get it done, man.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  It's just cool. It well, Tim, and to me, that's really neat. It's like, I don't want it to necessarily be good. I just want to, I want to see what was going on.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  This is the equivalent of like that, this GT forty car you have, you know, just like hand built. Like that's, this thing's probably more rare than that. I mean, there's so few of these things as well.

• 1:27:34Speaker 04

  I got it for a song, dude.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Where did you find that?

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  Rock Island. So.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  Oh, really? It's at the auction house?

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  Rock Island had one and they, uh, Joel fucking shouts out Joel and texted me or he called me out in a public video. He goes, uh, cause I had done it like a cursed gun images. I'm like, no, no, it's an A two. They're just super rare. And he's like, I have something you want. Bet you won't bid on it. And I'm like, bet you I fucking will. I mean, cause the M one oh seven goes for what nowadays? Like thirteen, fourteen grand?

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 04

  I think I got that A two for like eighteen.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  That's crazy. Was this a live auction or online or?

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, online.

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  Did they? And sometimes it happens where it's like, people just don't know about it.

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  I feel like not enough people know what it is.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. So he got a fuck dude. That's a steal. That's why it's like one of those weapons. Hold on to it. Cause.

• 1:28:20Speaker 04

  To my knowledge, it is the only one that's ever gone for commercial sale.

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• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  I would, I would not doubt that.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  I, I don't know of another is the thing. Like I just, I don't know. I don't, oh, I was told like, there's like twelve in existence. A bunch of them went to like prototype out to, uh, or like testing to other militaries. Like I'm sure the American military is like two or three. Um, and I'm sure you guys still have one, one or two.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Dad has one.

• 1:29:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:16Speaker 04

  But outside of that, like, and then the one that's in the prop house, but I don't know where the others are.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  The prop house. Have you ever been to one of the prop houses like ISS in Hollywood or?

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  I want to.

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  Did we, did we go at the one with Jake? Did you ever go to that one?

• 1:29:30Speaker 04

  I, that's probably ISS. I want to go. I've never been.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  I went out to one with Jake one time and they have a bunch of crazy shit out there.

• 1:29:37Speaker 04

  I believe it.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Like a Hollywood prop house.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. It, it's amazing. I've been to ISS one time and you know, it's not just guns. They have, if you need a phone from the nineteen fifties, they have that. And all this crazy stuff, but.

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  I often need one of those. Yeah.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  I.

• 1:29:51Speaker 04

  Cool though.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  I got to work on the movie. I don't, I don't even know if I have credit, but I got to work on the movie Hurt Locker.

• 1:29:56Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which won some, it won an Oscar. I think it was the first female director to ever win an Oscar, Catherine Bigelow. But I worked on that movie and trained the actors, trained the actors. It was kinda, that was funny, you know? Jeremy Renner was in that as before. He was a big deal, but it is a good movie. You've seen it, right?

• 1:30:13Speaker 03

  Yep. That's when they had the actual whole firefight with the Barrett.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Speaker 04

  I was gonna think, I was thinking there was a Barrett in there.

• 1:30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Some guys like dug into a hole with fifty.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Random mercenaries in the EOD team is by themselves in the middle of the desert.

• 1:30:29Speaker 03

  If you know military rules, you're like, this would never happen in a million years.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  Cause you can't even leave base without four vehicles. So watching that movie, you're like, how the fuck did they just leave base?

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Like a five man EOD team in the middle of the desert.

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. But they did the fire, like that sequence right there is super gangster. Cause you do get to see, it's like, oh, he's down. And then they readjust fire and then hit the dude in the house.

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  And they just are using that weapon platform.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  It's probably time for me to go rewatch that. But I like, I've never really spent time in California. Gosh, I showed up with, with a, a friend and a coworker of mine and we went to do this. I know we were doing like a carbine class with the guys. And then I was going to talk long range shooting to them like in a classroom. And man, we flew in to LA and gosh, I could still be in prison right now, probably for the stuff I took in LA. I got a rental Subaru and I got like chest rigs, what thirty round magazines. I don't like, this was so last minute.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  The Subaru is why you didn't get caught.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably so.

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  Cause the rules there, if you were like, dude, when I moved to LA, I didn't even know they had like a bullet button. I went to a gun shop, went to look. I was like, oh, can I see that M four AK? And I couldn't drop the mag. I was like, what the fuck? Why? It's broke. And they're like, oh, it's a bullet button. I was like, I don't know what this is. It was two thousand, I don't know, two thousand ten, two thousand eleven. You just landing with.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:31:54Speaker 03

  Equipment on equipment.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  I, I had fully, you know, full M four type systems with me. And in LA, like checking into a hotel, there's just no telling what would happen, but we're working on a movie. Maybe they excuse anything if it's working on a movie. But we did a, we did like a one day carbine class with these guys. I've never had rifles pointed at me so much.

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  Thanks. Flagging you.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Mark safe.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  It's not loaded.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  Hey, good job, buddy. It's pushing it out of your face.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  So that was my, that was my one movie experience, but lived through it. So it was good.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  Dude, that's, oh, well, what's his dick hasn't shot anyone recently. So we're good.

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  Alec Baldwin.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. They released that movie, didn't they?

• 1:32:39Speaker 04

  I don't think they.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Finally go ahead and.

• 1:32:41Speaker 04

  Did they?

• 1:32:41Speaker 03

  Did they?

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  I kind of feel like they did.

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  Let me see. I, just like everything else he does these days, it was released to zero fanfare.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  Do you ever, do you ever go to Terrance's place and shoot his guns?

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  I, I've never been there.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  Okay. We, we ended up that one time.

• 1:32:59Speaker 04

  He out.

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  Were we there? We were there for, um.

• 1:33:03Speaker 04

  I think it was for the release of John Wick three.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  Movie premiere, wasn't it? Something like that.

• 1:33:08Speaker 04

  It was a premiere or something like, we were out in like, what is it? Simi Valley or something.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  That's the place that always has the hot girl shooting.

• 1:33:13Speaker 04

  The what?

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Okay, well.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  Wasn't it Terry Crews movie?

• 1:33:17Speaker 02

  Was it the Terry? Uh, it might've been a time before that.

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  I think it was John Wick. It was one of the screenings for John Wick.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Me, yeah, me and Brandon went to one of the John Wick thingies early on and we went to Terrence's range and they brought some like child actors out or something. They were trying.

• 1:33:33Speaker 04

  It was, it was a chick from, uh, it was the, the little girl that played as one of the daughters from Avatar.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. So we, we were there hanging out and they brought in like one of the child actors for like one of the new movies coming up for Avatar. And they were teaching them how to use firearms and they gave you laser guns. For like, you know, you pull the trigger and the laser comes out and they're trying to teach you firearm safety. And me and Brandon are sitting in the background while they're teaching them firearm safety. And me and Brandon are just pointing the laser guns at each other's dicks.

• 1:34:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're just like dick shooting each other, like holster pulling dick.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  Got you. Got you. The, the parents look so horrified. Because it looked like Terrance teaching these kids like, here's how you do an Hollywood movie. And we just happened to be there and we're in the background, just like dick shooting each other with these laser guns.

• 1:34:19Speaker 04

  They're like, they're like, obviously like fake plastic blue guns, like not a functional firearm.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  They were shapes. They were just like little shaped guns.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  But let's talk more about your fascination with men's crotches. I mean, what is that about?

• 1:34:30Speaker 04

  Well, we gotta go back to my child.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  Let's, let's put on that therapist hat right now. Why are we, why are we really doing this?

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  Pull up a notepad. It's just so funny.

• 1:34:41Speaker 04

  Just like everything else I do because funny.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Bunch of meat gazers.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Funny. We had the whole belt on and we're just like, got you, got you, got your dick, got your.

• 1:34:50Speaker 04

  We're just absolutely not taking it seriously.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  The parents of these child actors are just like.

• 1:34:54Speaker 04

  Cause for them, these are like the LA, like the Beverly Hills types that have never like seen a gun before in person. So like for them, it's just like totally natural to me and Cody like.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Where is this place even? I've seen it a lot. Where is it?

• 1:35:05Speaker 04

  It is just north of LA.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:35:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's like an hour outside. It's, uh, forty minutes.

• 1:35:11Speaker 04

  Simi Valley, I think is what it's called. Something like that.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  It's a nice little range, especially in LA when there was nothing. And then they were super strict on all the rules out there with firearms. It's, it's wild going from there to anywhere else and shooting guns. You're like, oh.

• 1:35:25Speaker 04

  I was gonna show you this though, cause like you're talking about the hand drawings and stuff like that. I still have some of the original sketches when we were working on like AK fifty stuff, like that was.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  This is, this is still how, this is how it always started for me. You rarely just start on the computer. You've got to just like get it down quick.

• 1:35:42Speaker 04

  It's just like a draft. It's just like, oh, well, like that's, I actually, I was ahead of my time now that I'm looking at that. Cause we, I ended up going milled in the first iteration, but like in the drawing, then I still had the, uh,

• 1:35:54Speaker 04

  like stamped receiver, like front trunion kind of thing, which we, we ended up going back to just cause it's the only manufacturable way to do it.

• 1:36:01Speaker 03

  That is just nudes of Brandon right now.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're off the drawlings now.

• 1:36:06Speaker 04

  It's just more of men's crotches.

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  But just like, yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  No, I thought it actually was your crotch.

• 1:36:13Speaker 04

  No, no. It's not this time.

• 1:36:17Speaker 03

  Showing off his trunion.

• 1:36:20Speaker 04

  We're doing trunion pics?

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  Angry cops. Girl, show me that trunion.

• 1:36:25Speaker 04

  Yo, send me trunion pics.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, that actually, the term kinda works, actually.

• 1:36:32Speaker 04

  I mean, it really kinda does. Where you insert your barrel.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:36Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:36:39Speaker 04

  That is the nerdiest joke I think that has ever been laid out on the podcast.

• 1:36:44Speaker 03

  It's a good shirt, though.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  Send Trunion pics. Actually, yeah, that is a great shirt.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Wow. Okay, cut me in on that one.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  Well, fifty percent proceeds.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  I've built a lot of AKs. I don't know if you know that.

• 1:36:57Speaker 04

  See, I've been told you're a bit of a closeted AK guy.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I mean, I think I'm fully out. I mean, yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  That's one of the.

• 1:37:04Speaker 04

  It's AK Pride Month.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  I want to know, like, what kind of firearms are you like, what's your favorite one? As you're just saying, also, you do, you've designed or built AKs. So like, what are some of your favorite firearms that are outside of what you built? It's like, oh, I really enjoy this.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  The reason why the AK thing is so fun is because of how you probably know exactly how many countries ever made an AK. But there's so many different little micro variations of it that if you want to nerd out on something, that that was so fun. And I've, yeah, I've still got some part kits laying around that need. And I've got a couple of Ugo M90. Was it M92, the short one?

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, the little, like, the PAP.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:41Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, the, like, basically the under folding crank that you.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've got some of those laying around. I need to get a receiver for and have somebody. I don't, I don't want to put them together anymore. I.

• 1:37:48Speaker 04

  I know, I might know a guy.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Okay, I need, I need to get some of those done. That was, that was fun, but you kind of like, I may have gone full circle now where people always ask me, like, what's your favorite gun? How many guns? Yeah, I was like, man, you know, I owned a gun company and I own, I own firearms stores. Like, I just go get whatever I want.

• 1:38:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  And it comes down now, like, the firearms I use the most is a Barrett Rex 7, which is our AR variant. And it is beat to hell. It rides around on the farm with me. It's shot all kinds of stuff. You know, I use that and a Glock. You know, I'm so boring, but this is what happens when you come full, full circle on this. I got my carry, my carry pistols. But you still have to have, it's kind of like the car thing, too. You have those that are set aside to kind of fund what you're actually using, but it's a.

• 1:38:35Speaker 03

  That's why I don't know if you gravitate towards any, like, hey, Brandon, if you have to go, just let, we can.

• 1:38:39Speaker 04

  I will here in a second.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  Connor, if you want to swap in, if like, we can keep it, because we've still got some time, but.

• 1:38:45Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll bounce out in a second. The one, the one thing, because I do, I've got a fundraiser, like, I literally just landed before I got here. I landed back from Dallas, like, at the airport. Came directly here to do this podcast. Now I'm going to do another fundraiser because, like, we're, I got, at time of recording, I have nineteen days before I can get a full day, full night's sleep, but I was gonna say, like, I completely get that on, like, the AK side of things, because, you know, people ask, you know, why, why did you gravitate to the AK more? I'm like, dude, you get an AR-15 off the shelf, you know, it came out of the Daniel Defense Factory, fucking, two weeks ago. CNC machine from, you know, billet aluminum, you know, whatever. Somebody pressed a button and made that. Nothing wrong with that. It's a great machine.

• 1:39:25Speaker 04

  But with the AK, it's like, oh, yeah, no, this is a parts kit that was originally made in Romania in nineteen sixty-four.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  It then served through the Yugoslav wars, was involved in three civil wars. A police, police unit used it for, like, five years. And then it got caught up in Bulgaria, shipped over to the United States and put together by, you know, some guy in South Carolina. It's like, that's cool.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  That's, it's just got, everything behind it has a story. Like, there's so much history just baked into owning it.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  These are the conversations of men who have never kissed a girl.

• 1:39:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  Did you know the poles made their gas block this way? They had a different flip up site?

• 1:39:59Speaker 04

  Now, you might think it's a forty-five degree gas block, but they actually prototyped the ninety degree.

• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  I've never seen a girl's Trunion.

• 1:40:07Speaker 04

  Neither have AK guys.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:40:13Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:40:16Speaker 04

  It's like a front sight post.

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  Pointing an arrow at where I think it's at.

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  The other fun thing about an AK that I think people get wrong, like, oh, you know, like, people can build those in a cave. It's like, oh, my gosh, you've never put together an AK.

• 1:40:29Speaker 04

  It's like, can you? Yes. Should you? No.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  It's actually, it was made for mass industrial production and, yes, factories. I mean, it's, it's not easy, you know, but it's, uh.

• 1:40:38Speaker 04

  It's impressive for that reason.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  Much harder to build.

• 1:40:40Speaker 04

  Much harder.

• 1:40:42Speaker 03

  I'm like, huh? No, you can, they're pretty accurate. We've seen it. We've had videos.

• 1:40:47Speaker 04

  It's much harder to build than an AR by far. Again, it's, it's meant for, like, factory production. But on top of it, it's a testament to the platform, I think, that the amount of people that were doing, like, screw builds and weld builds and, like, just putting them together like shit, and the gun still kind of ran pretty well. Like, the fact that you could fuck it up that bad and it still is a decent product.

• 1:41:07Speaker 01

  So who, who really, really builds one proper now? If I had some kids like that, who would I send that to?

• 1:41:11Speaker 04

  I'm not even kidding. Like, I know I'm biased in this regard. Uh, so my shop manager, Zach, Zach Schaefer, is, in my opinion, the best AK builder I've ever met in my life. He is rabidly, and I'm, I'm trying to give you kudos here, so forgive me, he's rabidly autistic. Like, if, if, if a little, like.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  In a good way.

• 1:41:33Speaker 04

  He will, he will freak the fuck out if, like, something is, like, brush patterned the wrong direction.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:41:40Speaker 04

  Like, that's the sort of, like, attention to detail. Everything has to be exactly perfect, clone correct. This is off by point one millimeter. It's dog shit, garbage, that, like.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  And what, one of my favorite shows on Pepperbox right now.

• 1:41:56Speaker 04

  Boys in the Garage.

• 1:41:56Speaker 03

  Boys in the Garage. Because you can see Zach get autistic with this stuff. And autistic, like Brandon said, in a good way. It's so cool to watch.

• 1:42:06Speaker 04

  Because he's, he was a good balance for me, especially in the early days of my company, because, like, I was, I'm over here, like, how do we turn a profit? How do we make this? How do we, like, monetarily make this work? And then he would balance that out with, how do we make it good?

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:42:20Speaker 04

  And he was the perfect yin yang.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:23Speaker 03

  Dude, I, if I can say one quick good thing about Zach is, uh, with the Famas, when you guys rebuilt that, I brought in mine, because you guys built, you bought one that was cut.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, he, he reverse engineered the Famas receiver from scratch. And then from, from a, from a cut up, like, cut up pieces.

• 1:42:40Speaker 03

  So when I brought in mine, he actually was like, hey, can I take that apart? Like, yeah, do whatever. And then he measured it.

• 1:42:48Speaker 04

  He measured the magwell distance, I think.

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  And it was fucking perfect, based off of his guesstimation. Like, oh, it's like, what the?

• 1:42:57Speaker 03

  He is autistic level of detail and it's awesome to see somebody so passionate about firearms, the way he is.

• 1:43:06Speaker 01

  You have to, you have to have that in a business. And I think that was kind of, that was me in our business, and then somebody's gonna be watching out for the business end of it, but it's, uh, man, like, recognizing that is half the battle.

• 1:43:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, he's, he's fantastic. I've, I've joked about this a million times, but it's, it's only half a joke. If he ever left the company, I'm just shutting it down tomorrow. They can't, it can't run without him. He's, he's.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  You can't let him know that.

• 1:43:30Speaker 04

  All right, no, cut that, but no, he's, he really, like, legitimately, like, anything I could do for that guy, he's, uh, he deserves all the success he's going to get, because he's, he's gonna, he's gonna do fine.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  So with, uh, like, light cars, do you have any firearms that are your museum pieces? Like, uh, as he's saying with the Barrett A2. That's where I collect my firearms. It's the specific ones that I'm like, oh, your, your Famas or shit. I'm like, I'm not gonna shoot it. It's my little museum piece. Same for cars. I'm like, oh, it's my.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  You know, I've got a couple of transferable things, kind of like, I've got an unfired M16, but it's like, it says M16A2 on it. You ever seen those? It's one of those. It's a transferable M16A2 Colt. And I've read about them. There was a few that might have been, maybe they were remade or something. Like, it's, it's very gray, but it is on paper. It's a M16A2.

• 1:44:21Speaker 03

  Unfired?

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:23Speaker 03

  See, that's the shit that I love, because that unfired thing, especially nineteen, what year?

• 1:44:28Speaker 01

  Well, it would have been before, and, and there was no M16A2 in eighty-six, right?

• 1:44:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:44:36Speaker 04

  I wouldn't know, to be honest.

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  It's, uh, Google that sometime. Like, there, there's something about, there's a few Colts out there that say M16A2 that are transferable, and I have one of those. That's, that's a weird one.

• 1:44:48Speaker 04

  Does it have the carry handle on it?

• 1:44:49Speaker 01

  Mine, I can't remember what upper it has on it.

• 1:44:52Speaker 04

  A2 should, right?

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  I think, and mine is configured as a little short carbine gun, but it's just the fact that the receiver is a Colt M16A2. And it's a civilian transferable gun. That, that's pretty crazy.

• 1:45:03Speaker 04

  Well, there's, there's certain guns like that where, like, they were right on the and cut off in eighty-six. Or like, for example, like, uh, miniguns. There's like, what, four transferable miniguns that exist?

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  What I'm, what I'm trying to say is, I think there's a little shady business on that one.

• 1:45:16Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, for sure.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  I think it was a repaired earlier M16 that was repaired.

• 1:45:21Speaker 04

  Because really, really, all they care about is, and this is a little naughty, uh, I don't do this, but I've, I've heard tell of people in, in the industry who have. They just care about the serial number. So even if the firearm portion gets repaired by a different piece of aluminum.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:37Speaker 04

  You know.

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  Eli, I, I wanted to ask you this on unsub for a minute. What retarded rare metal gear solid guns do you have? Cause you've been collecting them lately.

• 1:45:48Speaker 04

  I mean, the M eighty two A one is, or excuse me, M eighty two A two is one of them.

• 1:45:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that's MGS four.

• 1:45:53Speaker 04

  Four, yeah.

• 1:45:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I have, uh, so Metal Gear Solid, the first one had the Mark twenty three SOCOM with the prototype lamb and suppressor, the Famas and the PSG one. And that was like my holy girl to buy all three. Cause fuck hate Hideo Kojima for picking those in nineteen nine. He picked these guns in nineteen ninety eight to put in the game. And then they are the most rare things possible, especially this day and age. So I finally got all three. The Famas has been fired. Everyone's, I think Brandon's.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  How do you get a Famas? Like how? So is it semi-automatic or is it?

• 1:46:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's semi-auto. Still, there's only, it's.

• 1:46:33Speaker 04

  Yours is.

• 1:46:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, mine is chassis forty four. So serial number is just forty four. That's.

• 1:46:40Speaker 04

  Wow. It's still absurdly like.

• 1:46:42Speaker 01

  So you get, you were able to get the parts somewhere and then your guy.

• 1:46:45Speaker 03

  No, his was built. Mine's from France.

• 1:46:49Speaker 04

  It was an import.

• 1:46:50Speaker 03

  An import Famas.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:52Speaker 04

  And it was pre-banned, right?

• 1:46:53Speaker 03

  Yep. Pre-banned Famas for the only ones that they actually ship to the United States.

• 1:46:58Speaker 01

  But it was, it was originally built as a semi-auto?

• 1:47:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. For the, they had a handful, I think a hundred and fifty or two hundred that made it state.

• 1:47:04Speaker 04

  Right before the, the, the Bill Clinton ban.

• 1:47:07Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:47:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:47:09Speaker 03

  So they were like, here's these, and then it got banned. And then they just kept climbing and rarity price. Same for the PSG one. They only had a handful. And then Brandon's the only reason I got that PSG one for the price I did was that you're like, you gotta bid now.

• 1:47:25Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. It was, it was, I was watching it on Rock Island and I called him up because I know he wanted one. It was going for fairly cheap. I'm like, he didn't know I was in a live auction. Like, do you want a PSG one? Right now it's twenty five thousand dollars. He's like, oh, oh, well, I mean, like, can I look at? No. Like this is.

• 1:47:39Speaker 03

  What's your number? I was like thirty? And he's like, okay. I was like, I don't know what. And he's like, it's yours. I was like, I just spent thirty thousand dollars right now. Okay. What the fuck?

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  Cause I'm like, I didn't want to let it go.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  The PSG one is like the sniper rifle with the, the, it's like a kind of a blocky.

• 1:47:55Speaker 04

  It's like a sniperized G three.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like the, the HK like.

• 1:47:59Speaker 02

  It's got the, the big pistol, like butt plate.

• 1:48:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:02Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:48:02Speaker 04

  Like the big, the platform on the bottom of the pistol grip.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:48:06Speaker 03

  And it's also.

• 1:48:06Speaker 04

  Black Ops one.

• 1:48:07Speaker 03

  Still like, uh, what's that paper wrap magazines?

• 1:48:11Speaker 04

  Like wax, wax paper?

• 1:48:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wax paper. Like everything is still sealed from eighties. It's a nineteen eighty eight. I think still case, everything.

• 1:48:18Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:48:19Speaker 03

  Condition. Yeah. And the same for the Mark twenty three.

• 1:48:21Speaker 04

  Real quick, I do have to bounce out of here. I've got to go to a fundraiser, unfortunately.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  He's gotta do Congress thing.

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:48:27Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:48:29Speaker 03

  Real quick. And then Connor, if you want to step in for a little bit, we got like twenty more minutes.

• 1:48:36Speaker 02

  Brandon Herrera had to leave.

• 1:48:38Speaker 04

  Coward.

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  To do something that has to do with Congress? Oh no, he's got to run for the twenty third district of, of Texas. Oh no. Well, he had to leave. And we were blessed with King Trout's presence though.

• 1:48:54Speaker 05

  I'm substituting in. Good to see you, Chris. Uh, I have no knowledge of how firearms function. So there is about to be a categoric shift in this podcast.

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  Did I just lose my only gun guy? No, we got a gun guy.

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  I was like, I don't even know what's going on. Half the time you guys are talking. I've been sitting there like, are we ever going to talk about guns or cars?

• 1:49:15Speaker 03

  There's a shit. That's awesome. We're like, wherever it goes, that's where the conversation goes. Now we've got Connor. He can tell you about guns. Connor, what is your favorite? Why did you choose the M four platform for your home defense weapon?

• 1:49:29Speaker 05

  Great question, Eli.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  Glad you brought it up.

• 1:49:34Speaker 05

  I actually do. I do legitimately have like, I could give an answer to that question. Cause I'm familiar with it. And I think we're all familiar with like the AR style platform, the M four being slightly smaller package. I'm familiar with the operation of an AR style rifle. Went to that shooting competition with Brandon Kalash Bash. I don't know if you ever heard of it. An AK forty seven shooting competition. He gifted me with a wonderful Christmas present last year, an M seventy AK forty seven. Brandon, great friend of mine knows that I'm very into, you're eating this up.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  Big into Yugoslav.

• 1:50:10Speaker 01

  This is like a recorded message.

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  No, I can bullshit my way out of anything.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  Okay. Yeah.

• 1:50:17Speaker 04

  But yeah, I did the AK shooting competition and I've only ever shot like AR style rifles my, my entire life. Cause that's just as an American, that's like what I grew up with. And so they invited me, Brandon and his guys invited me to the Kalash Bash. And they're like, oh, it's just fun. Which it was, there's like half of the people who were there take it so seriously. And then the other half of the people who were there, it's just like, nah, we're just having fun. It's a good time. So nobody, nobody's real judgy. And it was my first shooting competition ever. Had a great time, but the just like operation of an AK forty seven versus, I don't know if y'all have seen that video of like, as a guy, I think it might be like basic training and they're all shooting ARs and he goes to like,

• 1:50:58Speaker 04

  drop the mag and he does that. And then he hits the button and the mag drops out and then he goes to put a new one in. He like rocks it, which doesn't work. And then he smacks it up and then he reaches over to like, charge it. It's like, he did everything wrong. So I did it the opposite way. It was like the night before and they're like, have you ever loaded an AK before? I was like, yeah, but like in a, like at the range, you know, range day, whatever.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Counter strike?

• 1:51:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. It was not.

• 1:51:24Speaker 03

  I hit R.

• 1:51:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Not, not in the competition setting. So everything like they were like, yeah, you know, put the new mag in and I like instinctively like slap the side of the AK. I'm like, I'd be outed as an American spy instantaneously.

• 1:51:38Speaker 02

  It's, it's the superior weapons platform. I was, I apologize. I was half listening. I heard you're a pot or a closet AK guy.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  That's you. That was your takeaway from all that?

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  I was looking at. I was looking at recipes, bro.

• 1:51:59Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh. Yeah. I do. I do appreciate them, but no, I'm with you. I agree with all your points about the superiority of the American platform. It is.

• 1:52:10Speaker 03

  I'm just waiting for Connor's answer. Oh, I lead all my gun knowledge now to Connor. I'm like, Connor, lead the.

• 1:52:17Speaker 04

  You guys are fucked.

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  Like, I don't know what the, I mean.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Chris, what are you working on right now? That has nothing to do with Connor.

• 1:52:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  It's, uh,

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  I, I've been really, um, enjoying a new phase of my life. That's, uh, I, I haven't been working on anything very structured. I've been doing a lot of personal projects. I've got a big farm and some other properties, been spending time on my kids. And, you know, I, I own these retail firearm stores. And actually I'm an owner in some bars also, even though.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Bars?

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  That seems like a lot of stress.

• 1:52:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. But it's not for me because I'm, I'm an investor and I don't get involved in all of the operations, you know? They're called the red phone booth. There's one in Nashville, one in Miami, one in Dallas. It's like a speakeasy, a cool speakeasy. And I'm not even drinking right now. So.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  What, what made you want to invest in those bars specifically?

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  You know, it, it's, uh, I met the partners in that in Nashville. The, the red phone booth started in Atlanta and it's just a cool speakeasy. It's kind of a, a really high end prohibition experience kind of cocktail bar. You enter through a British phone booth and like dial a code into the, in there. And then we let you into a wall, like the back wall.

• 1:53:34Speaker 04

  Oh, so you literally have like a red.

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  You, you go into a red phone booth. There is no sign on outside of these places. You have to know the code or get it from someone. And, um, you dial it in and we open the back wall. You know, that the phone is hanging on. You go in.

• 1:53:47Speaker 03

  See, that's doing proper business. I always say, it's like, once you hit that level of your, your client base is always going to be there. Now how do you give them that experience? And that's that experience. Like an actual phone booth where you get to walk through is fucking dope.

• 1:54:01Speaker 01

  And that's what the whole thing is, is about the experience on that. It's not trying to be like, Nashville's got a lot of new trendy places that are, that show up in, in girls Instagram photos. And we're like, I guess we do show up on a lot of social media too, but it's, we're, we're not this new like fad thing. It's like, we are classic. It feels like the nineteen twenties in there. The service is amazing. We have these amazing cocktails, but we can also, we have cigars. So it's not a cigar bar, but we can, you can smoke cigars in there. We have a walk-in humidor. It's just really cool. Like a place where you can go in twenty twenty six and we have, we have food, like white bites. It's really good. Where you can eat, drink a drink and smoke at the same time. That's amazing. Like where else can you do that? Like it's just, you can't.

• 1:54:46Speaker 05

  Like a private club then?

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  It's a semi-private club. So we have memberships. You get a membership and you can get a locker to put your cigars in, but non-members can come if they get the code from concierge. Like at a hotel or they get it from another member, but only members can make reservations. Members can swipe their phone and have a different door open. Members get invited to the private parties. So it's cool. It's like, it's like a little blend of exclusivity, but also approachable, you know, so. It's cool. Not, not my dad and I, I did not found this company. It was my partner, Steven, and he, uh, he came up with it. It's just, he's good at that. I'm not a restaurateur. I just thought it was cool. How did I get involved? I used to go there a lot. Smoke cigars and I was like, this is cool. And I'm like, well, you got, you got any money? I was like, yeah, I got some money.

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  How much you got?

• 1:55:35Speaker 05

  I'll invest into this.

• 1:55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:37Speaker 05

  Dope.

• 1:55:37Speaker 01

  Now, now I'm in three of them. So it's like, yeah, that's, that's going pretty good. Got, got these retail gun stores where we do training. Um, we have indoor ranges. They're called the outpost armory. They're all in Tennessee. So there's three of them there in Tennessee.

• 1:55:52Speaker 05

  What, what, what parts of Tennessee are those in?

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  It's all in middle Tennessee. So the, the flagship original store is in Murfreesboro. And then I've got one in Franklin, Tennessee, and one in Hendersonville, Tennessee. The, the Murfreesboro and Hendersonville stores have indoor ranges. The Franklin one does not. So it, it's cool. Again, we've been, that, that business I started that like, man, it's approaching 20 years ago.

• 1:56:17Speaker 05

  No shit?

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  Two thousand nine, Obama was just elected and I opened my first retail gun store. And I don't know if y'all know what was going on, but we could not bolt down inventory.

• 1:56:25Speaker 05

  Phenomenal.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:56:26Speaker 05

  Phenomenal time to start selling.

• 1:56:28Speaker 01

  It was crazy.

• 1:56:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is that.

• 1:56:30Speaker 05

  Everybody.

• 1:56:30Speaker 03

  Guns, guns, guns. You get that swing. And then everyone wants to buy, like as you were saying earlier, it was like suppressors. It's just like.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  It was so wild. Like, like during the Obama administration, man, it was crazy. So started with one location there and then it's grown and it went up to four and I got rid of one and went down to three. So work on that and do fun stuff for my kids and go to the lake in the summer and go to the farm. I, I've got a big farm in middle Tennessee that I call a farm. It's got some cattle on it, but we shoot. We got a big lodge there. It's just fun. Like, so I'm in, I'm in that phase right now.

• 1:57:08Speaker 03

  And the, the hunting phase is fucking dope. Like actually being able to hunt or do anything.

• 1:57:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:13Speaker 03

  That's where I. You're in that, I want to cut your retire, well, kind of retire. You're still working, but you're trying to enjoy life.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't like,

• 1:57:25Speaker 01

  I, I worked from a very young age and, and bear it so long, so hard. And you kind of have like some life experiences. Hopefully you have life experience before you're dead that tells you to wake up and, and prioritize some things. And I, I think I got a couple of those. So, uh, I'm doing that, you know, and life is really good.

• 1:57:45Speaker 05

  That's awesome, man.

• 1:57:46Speaker 01

  But I'm not going to an office every day and I don't want to get into anything else like that again. I'm like, boo, don't talk to me about work. I don't want to.

• 1:57:54Speaker 05

  Never going back to an office job, ever.

• 1:57:56Speaker 03

  Veteran problem coming up.

• 1:58:00Speaker 05

  I'm about to be a statistic.

• 1:58:01Speaker 03

  Real quick. I will say, we were talking about, uh, actually getting on the racetrack because he hasn't drove any super into cars, but he hasn't done like Formula Fours or anything. And I was telling him how you guys had done that. I was like, dude, once you do those, it, normal cars, even if you have a Ferrari or anything goes out the window. These track days are.

• 1:58:21Speaker 03

  Connor's like, can like, Formula four, once you drive one, you're like, eh.

• 1:58:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a, it's a very completely diff, like completely different experience.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Oh, thank God Brandon left. We don't have to talk about guns anymore. We all hate fucking guns.

• 1:58:35Speaker 05

  Mr. Very, Mr. Barrett himself here. Let's talk about cars, bro.

• 1:58:40Speaker 01

  That's, that's what I love to do now, you know?

• 1:58:43Speaker 03

  That's what you were talking about all day.

• 1:58:44Speaker 05

  Chris, do you have any favorite fucking cars that you have, dude?

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:48Speaker 05

  What you gotta have some favorites?

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  It, I, I mean, I am fully immersed in this Ferrari world right now and I have met the coolest people through it and.

• 1:58:56Speaker 03

  Low entry point.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  Ah, yeah, that, that it is not.

• 1:59:00Speaker 03

  We've all, we've all got a couple in the garage.

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  Gosh, yeah, you know, right? I mean, the hardest part is keeping them clean, right?

• 1:59:06Speaker 05

  Amen, brother.

• 1:59:07Speaker 01

  Figure out which one to drive.

• 1:59:13Speaker 01

  I, I have met the coolest people. Ferrari is a company should be studied by anyone who is in business, like their brand and, and just how well everything is done and how immersive it is. And I've met some of the coolest people and you know, a buddy of mine that I met through Ferrari, you know, I was talking to him like a week ago. And he's like, hey, I'm going to go to Switzerland to check on a car I just bought over there. He's like, do you want to go? I was like, yeah. I was like, so I just got online, bought, bought tickets. We're going to go to Zurich and then I'm going to end up in Maranello at the end of the month and drive at the Ferrari, on the Ferrari test track at Fiorano. And so like, I'm doing stuff like that now. I'm doing that. That's what I'm doing right now. Leave me alone.

• 1:59:47Speaker 03

  I do, I like.

• 1:59:48Speaker 01

  Trying to lose my life.

• 1:59:49Speaker 03

  The average person right now is like.

• 1:59:51Speaker 02

  Hey, I can get an app you want to split. You're talking about. Do you want to go to Switzerland with me?

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  Did I just like, did I just lose a bunch of friends? What just happened?

• 2:00:04Speaker 05

  You're allowed to have fun, dude. Listen, if I had your money, I would also go to Zurich and drive Ferraris. This stuff. But I'm going to jumpstart my Ford Ranger when I get back home.

• 2:00:14Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  Dude, this appetizer right now is, oh.

• 2:00:21Speaker 05

  You can afford the mod sticks, man?

• 2:00:24Speaker 02

  Two, whoa.

• 2:00:28Speaker 01

  Did I just become that guy? I'm so sorry.

• 2:00:30Speaker 05

  No, it's cool. Talk about that.

• 2:00:32Speaker 01

  But th, these things, they, they, they do go hand in hand. I've always been, you know, what I did, what I did in rifles was because I love design and I was uncompromising about what something has to do. So that bleeds over into stuff like, that's why I, car guys, our gun guys, our watch guys, our bourbon guys, like it's all, it's all something crafted.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  Exactly. You were like, there's nothing to apologize for because you were developing firearms and you were 13 years old.

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  If you want to fucking dabble in Ferraris, no, I understand it.

• 2:01:05Speaker 03

  It's dude, it's the hardest thing. You work hard. I worked really hard because ever since I was little, I wanted nice cars. Like, that's all I wanted. I grew up poor as McLaren F1, seeing that need for speed too, for the PlayStation was like, I no idea I'll ever be able to afford one of those. I dropped out of high school, but it was a goal and of my life. I was like, one day I want to own a supercar or get to that position. And now all of us have done well in life. It's like watches. We'd never thought, none of us probably like, we're going to be watch guys. And now we are watch guys in some facet or other, and it's fucking awesome.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  You, you got a shot.

• 2:01:45Speaker 05

  For forty grand a year. I did not get paid good to do that either.

• 2:01:50Speaker 02

  And then we started doing the on something and, and you're a fantastic entrepreneur yourself. And what, what'd you get? You got a fucking cool ass Porsche. And that Porsche is cool as shit. And then you started moving up from there and it's, it's cool. It's neat.

• 2:02:06Speaker 01

  I hope every man that's worked hard to live long enough to be a boy again. And it's just like,

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  that's what we're.

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  These, these things make us feel like kids again. And it's just like, don't let go of that. I, I can't apologize for that.

• 2:02:18Speaker 03

  It's a full circle. The second you're like, well, I'm back around and you could be like, well, I don't, I could never do that. That's a lot. It is a lot. But then you experience it and you're like, okay, this is pretty fucking dope. This is, this is my happy place now.

• 2:02:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:30Speaker 03

  This is my break from everything else I have to deal with. Cause I do believe a lot of people think entrepreneurial life or owning a business is way easier than it is. And they don't realize how much time, effort and hours are poured into it each and every day. And the best way I put it is if you are at home or you're taking care of your family, how much stress is that? You work 40 hours to 80 hours a week to support your family, to make sure your kiddos are taken care of, that you're not homeless. A boss, a lot of the times, a good boss is taking care of a, a small team, 40 people, four people. And then you have up to 30, even bigger. And now every one of their employees,

• 2:03:13Speaker 03

  you have to worry about if I fuck this up, all my employees don't eat and then their families don't eat. That's a different level of stress.

• 2:03:19Speaker 05

  That's a, yeah, if you have a good boss.

• 2:03:21Speaker 03

  Which is rare.

• 2:03:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  But it is. So when a good boss does, it's like, man, I want to drive fucking Ferrari or start playing in that. They earned it a lot of the times. They really did earn it like.

• 2:03:36Speaker 03

  Then it's not a, uh, it's not a zero sum game. I've never understood why you would be upset about somebody else's success.

• 2:03:44Speaker 01

  Like ask credit.

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  No, I, yeah. Trust me. I, I understand. I've seen it, but it's like, yeah, it's like, no, you know, if you've worked hard and you've earned something like, you know, let people enjoy the fruits of their labor. But to bring it back to the car thing. So you're, I think what you were getting at, you're like a performance guy.

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:01Speaker 03

  Cause you were talking about you, you design like high, high end firearms and you want high performance cars.

• 2:04:06Speaker 01

  And so many of the things, uh, I learned a lot of the things that translated into designs I did later in dad's garage. You know, like we worked metal, we worked fiberglass, we, we painted things, we, you know, you, you learn a lot from touching metal. You can't become a metal whisperer without touching it and bending it with your hands. It, it, it tells you a lot. And I might not have an engineering degree, but you just learn a lot from doing that. And that's how I grew up. And so those were the things like cars are cool and machines are cool. And we, you, you, people ask like, well, the reason we were talking earlier about the resources you would have to even have a basis to design some of those guns. And it was like looking at the old stuff. You have to lay hands on it.

• 2:04:47Speaker 01

  So, and I grew up playing with Lugers and old revolvers and taking apart all these guns. And, you know, I don't, I don't even know if my dad knew all the stuff I took apart while he was gone. So I, as a kid, and, uh, you know, probably lost some screws and pins in the process.

• 2:05:00Speaker 03

  The most engineer backstory I've ever heard in my life is disassembling shit.

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:05:05Speaker 03

  Figure out how it works and put it back together, hopefully successfully.

• 2:05:09Speaker 01

  And it, and it translates like the car stuff translates into the guns and the watches and everything else. So it's a kind of natural. It's that mechanical aspect of each thing. Dude, you are going to love getting into Formula One, especially when you learn the history on some of those old cars and what, what they used to do, the old tech. Brother, like, uh, the first vehicle we were talking about the McMurty, you know, the fan system that pulls it down to the, the ground. That car was designed in Formula One in the seventies.

• 2:05:38Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then they banned it because it was also sucking up everything off the track and shooting it at the drivers.

• 2:05:45Speaker 03

  Gravel at the guy behind you. That was back when they were wearing goggles too.

• 2:05:50Speaker 01

  If you're in first, you're last. You better not be second.

• 2:05:53Speaker 03

  Shooting bullets. Eat my dust bitch.

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  That's where it came from. Dude, that shit, uh, what, as Cody asked though, like what's your favorite, like your dream car, your dream of dream cars? I am, I'm really fascinated with the lightweight raw Ferraris like, and right now, and everybody is right now, the three sixty Challenger Dolly, the four thirty Scuderia. I had a piece of for a period of time, so stupid for selling that. But it's these raw stripped down cars that are close, they're race car adjacent. They're cars that were like almost race cars. So.

• 2:06:27Speaker 03

  Like carbon fiber body on a steel frame. Yeah.

• 2:06:29Speaker 01

  Like a four thirty Scuderia is a car from like two thousand nine Ferrari. And it doesn't have carpet, you know, but it was, it's, it's like you get in, it's the floor is metal.

• 2:06:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  So you can imagine it was Michael Schumacher inspired and he worked on the design of it and it feels like it, like it's cool. So.

• 2:06:45Speaker 03

  Do you, do you have any cool retail cars right now though?

• 2:06:48Speaker 01

  Retail cars?

• 2:06:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, something, something, you know, someone with money can go out and buy. Do you have a cool one that you like?

• 2:06:54Speaker 01

  Uh, that I have or that I don't have? What do you mean?

• 2:06:58Speaker 03

  Both. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:07:00Speaker 01

  What would you have? Like you have, I know you said a Raptor R. Yeah. The Ra, the, okay, the Raptor, the Raptor R, the Raptor, the Ford Raptor series is my favorite vehicle. If I could only own one vehicle for the rest of my life, that's it. It does everything. And I drive it more than anything. You know, it's either that, that or a sports car. So the Raptor is just incredible. Like that was one of the cool, Ford has done so many cool things. Hate to start a Ford versus Chevy war, but they've just done so many cool things.

• 2:07:26Speaker 03

  Two thousand and three Ranger.

• 2:07:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:31Speaker 01

  That's a hero car. I mean, it's like.

• 2:07:34Speaker 03

  Okay. If you could go out right now, a car you could buy, what, what, what would you buy right now? We're not talking about utility or blah, blah, blah. Something that you would enjoy buying right now.

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  I wish I could get, and I wouldn't, I, I, I'm not this kind of player, but I would love to have a Pagani. Oh, Pagani. And it's not the highest performance, but it's the art of it.

• 2:07:55Speaker 03

  Pagani Italian?

• 2:07:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Horatio Pagani. They are literal, as he's saying, are, it is an art piece. This is your watch of vehicles. This is meticulous titanium carbon fiber. The design is after like a fighter jet, the four, the quad exhaust. But also kind of looks organic. Like there's things that look like it grew.

• 2:08:15Speaker 03

  What's it, the?

• 2:08:16Speaker 01

  Is it Pagani Zonda?

• 2:08:18Speaker 03

  Zonda. That's the Zonda. Yeah, wire.

• 2:08:21Speaker 01

  Oh, no. No, I think they're, they're more than that.

• 2:08:23Speaker 03

  More?

• 2:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And like I said, I ain't that kind of guy, but like you asked me if I could, you know, like.

• 2:08:30Speaker 03

  Top out at seventeen point five million.

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:08:33Speaker 03

  The Utopia?

• 2:08:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:35Speaker 03

  How much is the Utopia?

• 2:08:38Speaker 01

  I don't even know like how you buy one. I guess. I mean, it's who gets selected to buy one of those.

• 2:08:42Speaker 03

  Five mil. Five mil for the Utopia. Yeah. The, the Huira is the other one that I couldn't remember.

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  Dude, their interiors, like, again, the interiors are like a work of art. God, they are so fucking sexy. It's that, it's that high tech looking, but they'll have like weather tie down straps on the outside of the vehicle. So, so it's like, it's just beautiful. And I think some of it looks organic, like it grew that way. And some of this fighter jet inspired, it's just, it's, it's beautiful. So.

• 2:09:09Speaker 03

  Cause weren't they, they were the kind of in a fight with like coming zag there for a while, weren't they?

• 2:09:14Speaker 01

  Kind of sick is the other one that's kind of like that. And it's, each one of these people kind of focus on their thing. They are kind of sick. It seems to be pure performance. I just pushing every envelope for power and speed and.

• 2:09:24Speaker 03

  You know, the Tomosa?

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:26Speaker 03

  Have you seen their P seventy twos?

• 2:09:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:09:28Speaker 03

  Dude, the, the interiors on these are, again, that is like.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, that.

• 2:09:35Speaker 03

  Dude, the work of art on a car. It is, oh, we just want a, a glorious representation from the old seventies. Yeah. Modernize it and just make something beautiful.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  You, you know, one of the coolest things I got to do in this kind of sphere was, uh, I, I drove a Hennessy Venom with John Hennessy.

• 2:09:54Speaker 03

  Like the S, like the, the F five?

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  It has like, it's the.

• 2:09:59Speaker 03

  The three hundred mile per hour?

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  Yes, the two thousand horsepower car.

• 2:10:03Speaker 03

  So a Hennessy.

• 2:10:03Speaker 01

  It is an American, it is an American hypercar.

• 2:10:07Speaker 03

  Top speed?

• 2:10:07Speaker 01

  Made in Texas.

• 2:10:08Speaker 03

  What's the top speed?

• 2:10:09Speaker 01

  Does it?

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  Three hundred and twenty miles an hour.

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  That sounds crazy to say that.

• 2:10:12Speaker 03

  Three hundred, this car is rated for three hundred. Let's double check.

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  For eight seconds before you burn through all the fuel. I drove one of these around Nashville with John Hennessy and it was like, it feels like you're.

• 2:10:23Speaker 03

  A drunk driving a car at three hundred miles an hour is crazy.

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  No, obviously we didn't go that fast. We're like sent at a red light, just feeling stupid, but I was in this car with John Hennessy and it's like, to, to have an American, that's from Texas, you know?

• 2:10:36Speaker 03

  Oh, he said with Hennessy. I thought he said on Hennessy.

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  Oh, on Hennessy.

• 2:10:43Speaker 03

  I misspoke.

• 2:10:45Speaker 01

  Two thousand horsepower on the Henny.

• 2:10:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Nah, that's what I thought you said. You said with, I thought you said on.

• 2:10:50Speaker 01

  John Hennessy.

• 2:10:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. Getting shit wrecked on two thousand horsepower. On a seventeen dollar bottle of liquor. It's simulated to theoretically have a top speed of three hundred and thirty four miles per hour. They've done, uh, achieved a top speed of two hundred and seventy two miles per hour so far. Which again.

• 2:11:11Speaker 01

  And it looks amazing. It's like, when you see this in person. Uh, I can't remember the color of one we rode in.

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Texas, baby.

• 2:11:23Speaker 03

  Dude, and they're American made.

• 2:11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Speaker 03

  Wild.

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's one of the coolest things I've done in that, in that sphere. But you know, the, these guys I've met through this stuff, again, some of the coolest people and you know, not everybody talks about their work either, you know, it's like, I think these guys, when they get into this kind of stuff, when they're on the racetrack, when you're these car things, nobody's asking what anybody does. You're just like, again, being kids again. And like meeting cool people and, you know.

• 2:11:48Speaker 03

  Dude, that's, anytime even at the, the racer, the race school, it was like Matt Frasier, CrossFit Matt, you would have never known he was CrossFit.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  You know Matt? I know Matt. The fittest man in the world?

• 2:11:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. You, oh yeah. Frazier was with us at the race school. Yeah. He's a homie. Yeah. He's a good friend.

• 2:12:05Speaker 01

  I was there when he won, was it six that he won in a row?

• 2:12:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:09Speaker 01

  I was there when he won that and he and I went shooting at my farm. We went shooting at the farm years ago.

• 2:12:14Speaker 03

  We'll take a.

• 2:12:14Speaker 01

  He had a place in Tennessee.

• 2:12:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:16Speaker 01

  Where he was working out there.

• 2:12:17Speaker 03

  Now he's.

• 2:12:18Speaker 01

  With the other guy that won a bunch.

• 2:12:20Speaker 03

  That's hilarious. I didn't know, you know, Matt, Matt's a good friend of mine. I'll take.

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:12:24Speaker 03

  I'll take a picture. Yeah.

• 2:12:25Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 2:12:25Speaker 03

  Small world.

• 2:12:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I hadn't checked in on him in a minute. Yeah.

• 2:12:28Speaker 03

  He's a car guy too. Matt, who also has a fucking hilarious story. Cause he, he was powerlifting and he's like, this doesn't make money. I'm gonna do the, the cool thing that's happening right now. CrossFit and then like.

• 2:12:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:41Speaker 03

  He won like what? Six in a row?

• 2:12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. He didn't like prep for this. He just kind of like did it on a whim.

• 2:12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. He was like, I'm gonna do this. And I, I think was it Adidas in a month and then?

• 2:12:52Speaker 01

  He has, he has superior genetics though, right? His parents are like.

• 2:12:56Speaker 03

  Olympic, like athletes. And then as you're saying though, it was, I was doing Olympic, he was doing Olympic lifting. He was going to college because he has two degrees. He's an engineer and, uh, something else. Homie's like fucking hyper smart. But he needed cash, so he did it. He entered a CrossFit competition. Yep. Yeah. Oh, I'll do this really quick. One, one money. He's like, oh, I can just make money doing this thing. And then.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  This pays?

• 2:13:21Speaker 03

  Fucking dominated the entire thing. Nike contract, started crushing. Well, his first two comps. Or when he was the fittest man in the world, he was living in his mom's basement while being the fittest man in the world for the first two years. That's when I met him back in the day.

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  Wow. He's a really good driver too.

• 2:13:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. He has no fear, like homie also did not give me.

• 2:13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's got a GT three?

• 2:13:50Speaker 03

  He has.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  Or he raced GT threes. I kind of remember talking to him about it.

• 2:13:54Speaker 03

  He has two, he has a Porsche Carrera GT three, and then he has the Baja Porsche.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  Hmm. Okay.

• 2:13:59Speaker 03

  He's super into cars. Yeah. Matt's super into racing. He actually wants to come next time we do a racing school. So if you join us, he will be there a hundred percent. Like that's all we talk about. He's like, when are we going racing? Eli, when are we going?

• 2:14:12Speaker 01

  That's funny. With, with all of us, it was him and Eli. Neck and neck.

• 2:14:18Speaker 03

  Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, the guy is genetically perfect, apparently. I mean, I guess he can do everything physical. Yeah, him and Eli were in first and second place because they're tiny men.

• 2:14:30Speaker 03

  That's it. Yeah, I was getting the drag on being six foot two was slowing me down.

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  Last year before my wife got pregnant, she was doing the high rocks competitions, which kind of fell off because someone shit themselves. But she was doing the high rocks competitions. She's like, you're, you gotta do this with me. And I was like, okay, I'll do it with me. And she was like, you gotta pick a partner. And I was like, can I bring Matt Freger? And she didn't know his name at the time. And I was like, okay, I got a partner for you. I'll bring someone with me. So anytime I ever do high rocks, I'm gonna bring Matt in and I'll just like, smoke a cigarette on the side. But like, oh, my partner's done. Okay, I'll do my little bit. Okay, I'll let Matt do his and just win the entire competition.

• 2:15:13Speaker 03

  It's a really good idea. It's like, well, I'll do these ones, Matt, you just carry me.

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, man, just, just do your thing. Just do your thing. Eight time CrossFit champion. Just go ahead.

• 2:15:24Speaker 03

  Dude is a fucking monster. Man, what a fantastic episode. Oh, where can the people find you if you want people finding you on social media?

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  On social media, on Instagram, I'm Chris G Barrett. So Chris G Barrett. And yeah, I wish I had something to sell all you people, but I don't. Like, just good times.

• 2:15:43Speaker 03

  Then he'll sell you good times.

• 2:15:48Speaker 03

  Good times for sale. Twenty dollars for an hour. Twenty dollars. Come on, sure, I got a hundred.

• 2:15:59Speaker 03

  Dude, an absolute pleasure. Cody, you want to close this out?

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  Thank you, guys, for joining the unsubscribe podcast today. I was joined by Eli Double Tap, Chris Barrett.

• 2:16:08Speaker 03

  Brandon Herrera.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  Herrera, my buddy, King Trout, myself, Don and Operator. Thanks so much for being here.

• 2:16:15Speaker 03

  Love you.

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  Thank you, guys.

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