What Everyone Got Wrong About Lindsay Clancy ft. The Lore Lodge | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 285

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  I got a dick pic from the Tiger King's third husband and I wasn't even trying.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  They had tigers in the mall?

• 1:02Speaker 03

  You didn't have man eating beasts in your mall?

• 1:04Speaker 01

  At the end had an opinion that I think made everybody angry.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  Did those kids got what they deserved? What was your take?

• 1:09Speaker 03

  You have the right to remain [__] silent.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Dude, if I wasn't into gay dudes.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  That was a very unfortunate pause for you.

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  Pop it to top top. Ready? Three, two, one.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  It really was. We were all in sync there. We're all synced up.

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  Oh, yeah.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Nice sound.

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  Hi, everyone. Welcome to the unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Double Tap, King Trout, Aiden from Laura Lodge, Aiden from Laura Lodge, Brandon Rarer, myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for being here. What's up, bitches? Like, first off, shout out to Echelon. They're so yummy.

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  Wow.

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  As someone not being paid to promote it, it is yummy. That is a word.

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  That's a lot gummier than it sounded like he.

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  Yeah, I had one last night and that was probably questionable given the time, but I I was up till 3:30 in the morning and it tasted good. So.

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  Yeah, it was worth the no sleep.

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  Yeah.

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  Hey, look, we got the Aiden boys back. It's been like almost three years.

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  Two years. Yeah, it's been a while.

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  He looks the same. I look completely different. It's great.

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  He cleans up. He cleans up nice. We're back.

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  I forgot who was on the podcast today and I was texting earlier, like, who's, uh, when we were gonna meet up, he's like, you said something like, oh, I'll tell the Aiden's.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  I'm like, well, we had a guy on our staff, like an intern named Aiden, but like, Aiden's plural. Oh, fuck, okay, I know who's gonna be on here.

• 3:01Speaker 04

  Hey, Kildozer. That's what I kill.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  That's what we were talking about last time. Yeah, that was a fun one.

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  Yeah.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  I still get angry about that story every time somebody else covers it and makes it look like Marv was the bad guy. Marv wasn't like, we can discuss what Marv Heimeyer did. Can discuss the morality of that, but.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Reasonable men doing unreasonable things.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  They pushed him to it.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  I don't know. The hot tub revelation was a little bit questionable.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  The what?

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Oh, have you guys ever listened to Marv Heimeyer's tapes?

• 3:30Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's some insane rambling. Um, he definitely thought he was on a mission from God, which granted, when you put everything you own up for sale and the only things that don't sell are the workspace and the bulldozer, I can kind of understand how you might get that message.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Look, from an objective outside perspective, knowing what we know now, there were signs.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  No, because he says in the tape that God is blinding people to his work.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  Cause he would invite people over and nobody asked any questions about the giant [__] armored bulldozer in the corner.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  Actually, when you think about it like that, it's like, wow. I mean, that has to be a sign. Like inviting Trout over, I have a gun car. And then he talking about everything but said gun car.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Typically a cry for help. Invite people over to see your big ass [__] off tank that you're building.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Well, he would put a tarp on it.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Oh, that's good.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  They, exactly. They interviewed people around town and everybody's like, well, we all kind of knew he was working on something. We just weren't sure what. Like, some people were even like, yeah, we knew about the armored bulldozer. We just had no idea what it was for. It's like, nobody asked.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  The list of things you can use an armored bulldozer for.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  The people.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Destroying a small town in Colorado. Uh.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Really in the cosplay.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  I know. They did. They used them in Palestine and Iraq. Yeah.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Thirty years later.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  That's. It's just kind of like the, the scene from Wedding Crashers where like the dad comes in and he sees like the rope where he's tied to the bed.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Anyway, just like, not a second thought.

• 5:03Speaker 03

  Yep. I mean, when you spend time in rural America, there's always in the town, one guy who's like old, a little bit kooky and definitely working on something that you shouldn't know about. So, yeah, it's par for the course.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, actually, when you look at it like that, I know in our hometown, we had like three different crazy people that had their unique names. It was like, uh, One Arm Willie, uh, what's her name? Betty the Goat Lady and then one other one. And it was like the three crazy people. You're like, uh.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  I'm not worried.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  There were signs. We just ignored them.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not worried about having to fight One Arm Willie.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  No, no. Pretty confident I can beat that one.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  I like my chances.

• 5:39Speaker 03

  Are you serious?

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, you lost it. Uh, this is when malls would have in the eighties, you would have malls with animals, live animals.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  I remember those even as a kid.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. And he put his arm through the tiger enclosure.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Shouldn't do that.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Picked off as a child.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  Did he get like the actual Darwin Award mailed in the mail to him?

• 5:57Speaker 04

  No, cause he was, I mean, he was probably like a little kid at that point. They just didn't have safety ropes or anything back in the day. So it was like, here's tiger, here, go pet.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  I wonder what they did with the tiger after that. Cause like.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  It's not like the tiger did anything wrong.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  It probably ended up in Florida. Let's be like the tiger. Yeah. Uh, yeah, it's probably a Tiger King.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  They had tigers in the mall?

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Took a long time for that to click.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  No, I was processing. I was just letting everybody finish their sentences before I asked what.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Bro, malls were crazy when me and Eli were younger.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Cause like you would take pictures with the tigers.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  You're like, I had a Santa. JCPenney and Sabaro. There was no fucking Indian Wildcats.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  In a hotel once where there were lion cubs in the lobby.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  Dude, dude, the old like seventies, eighties and growing up, it's like the mall. That's where we went to hang out. Cause the internet didn't exist and they would put crazy shit near like the arcade center. Usually you have a dope ass arcade place and then like a lion enclosure right next door.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  You all agreed to make this up before I sat down.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  And you guys were like, you know, be funny if we convince Trout there were [__] tigers in malls.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Well, no, like legit.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  You'd take pictures with like, they had like the albino tigers or whatever it was, like white tigers.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  You guys are fucking with me right now.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  No, he has his little shit eating grin on.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Back in the eighties, we went to a mall just to get a pic with a lion cub.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  It's like, oh yeah, you're kids, [__] hold the lion.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Five bucks, take a picture with a tiger.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Dude, when we went to the King of Prussia mall as kids.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Bro, there was no rate, there was no regulations on like Tiger King type people bringing [__] in the malls and saying like, come pet this thing and making a couple bucks.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Like, oh, let's don't want you to know. You just bring tigers to the mall. There was a lion at Magic Mountains in the day. It would be heavily sedated and they had a Magic Mountains lion that they would keep on sight.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Lion on Zans.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, I want to know who the first person was who thought this Sears, you know, what he really needs? A barred out lion.

• 7:59Speaker 04

  Literally, it's just a barred out. That lion just 24/7.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  He's having a great time.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Best life of all time. Who was on more lithium in the fifties? A housewife or a lion in the mall?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Definitely the housewives if they hadn't been lobotomized.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  That's in Disney world. That's in Disneyland, by the way.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Bro, I'm having like a Mandela effect.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  This is hilarious.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  There's no way this is real. You guys are fucking with me right now.

• 8:24Speaker 04

  That tire, that line is zanned out of his fucking gourd.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  I have never heard of this.

• 8:30Speaker 03

  Not the same thing, but we used to have [__] wrestling at a bar in college. Oh, yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  You can't say that word on YouTube. Yeah. It's apparently, I believe, if I understand it correctly, with the YouTube guidelines, it's the same tier as the hard R.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have to call them little.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  How's your campaign going? It's gonna, every time I'm on this fucking show. I know, and I'll say something and then it cuts back to everybody cackling, laughing, but we can't keep the joke in because I said a slur.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Honestly, I was gonna say something about like the mall having pygmies in it. So.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Pygmy, I think is fine.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  For whatever reason. And this is, I think it's an old like Louis C K bit where it's like, okay, well, I can say one of those.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  John Mulaney.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  It was it? Yeah. I feel like whichever word you can't say is the worst word.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  You can say them all.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Midja.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Ah, probably.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Is that okay?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Nah, I think so. That's actually my midja.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  I'm still surprised you don't remember any of the lion.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't remember there being any animals in the mall. There's Santa. We had a carousel.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  We had the mall carousel too, the Santa.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  You didn't have man eating beasts in your mall?

• 9:42Speaker 03

  No, I'm.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  You fucking nerd.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  There's a big cat sanctuary, like a few hours away from where I grew up that we used to go to.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  It was the mall.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Now, our mall just had a way too touchy Santa. That was it.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  Are you serious? Like you step out the foot locker?

• 10:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Tiger?

• 10:04Speaker 04

  And they wouldn't have like any safety. It was literally the metal cage and like, don't put hand in.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, no shit.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Just call it the locker or jungle.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  They keep in there. Oh, no.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  They're related to.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Anytime the camera zooms into Cody's face to crop out Brandon, it's gonna be the new telltale sign. For on some of your.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, editor. Yeah, just make sure you crop in super close on Cody and that I'm not in that shot.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  Just keep it on brain.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Brandon needs plausible deniability that he wasn't even here.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  That well, that's, that's what we started doing. I started telling the editor anytime I make like a even remotely edgy joke. Just put up like some campaign propaganda, like shit that my opponent did overlaid over the footage. So that's unusable for them.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  Little do know, they're also secretly doing the Brandon cut, which is just the entire episode, but only cropped in on you. They could probably sell it to the DNC for a little bit of money. Yep.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  Make that money.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  No, they can't.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Editor, forget you heard that.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  Chase, stop.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  See, this is the thing is our editors.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Please.

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  Our editors know that if we lose our jobs, they also lose theirs. You know, you're.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  If I lose this.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  There's no money in canceling me.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  If I lose this race, I'm firing all of you. It's all their fault.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  Now you guys have been covering, uh, well. With your content, you used to do more, uh, cryptids and still missing cases, but now you're going, uh, into what's happening modern. So you had like the Lindsay.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Lindsay case was recent.

• 11:32Speaker 04

  That's the one.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, we just did a two part series on that. And, uh, at the end had an opinion that I think made everybody angry. So.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Oh, that's always fun.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  I feel like if you're investigative journalism.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  Everyone.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  They're annoying. Those annoying little.

• 11:48Speaker 04

  They shouldn't have wore it.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Uh, you know.

• 11:50Speaker 03

  Should have been dressed that way.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  I mean, honestly.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Should have been wearing a turtleneck. Oh, my God.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  Okay, we had.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  All right.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  No, I it's, it's, it's one of those situations where I find myself agreeing partially with people I really don't want to agree with. Where like, if you put all of the extrapolations together from the excuses that her defense used, it's like, yeah, women can't have rights. So I don't like that one because I, I, I'm married to a woman and I would like for her to have rights. Uh, but at the same time.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  For being married to a woman.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Happens a lot, actually. But no, the, the Lindsay case, it's like. Yeah, every single argument that you can make to make her not guilty is an argument against women having agency, which is a really difficult position for you to put people in because. Again, this is such a rare situation. This almost never happens, but we've got an entire segment of the population who's insisting that she can't be held accountable for this because of her hormones. And that like, there's no way to have that conversation at scale where it's like, no, we, you know, there, there's going to be really specific little ways of handling this, or we have to blanket ban women from voting.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  And that's probably not a politically expedient thing for anybody to do.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, uh, like there are implications to this sort of thing. Well, there's also so many people that have opinions on the case that have bare minimum. That's the biggest problem. That's the biggest problem.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  The amount of people that still think the husband killed the kids. Absolutely not. Like it's, that's one of the parts where they, where I'm like, anybody who's saying that obviously doesn't know the facts of the case.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  The defense, the defense never, never even implied that.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  They're like, oh, no, she killed.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Start with that.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Well, now, now her lawyer is changing up the tune. Now her lawyer is like, oh, we never admitted she killed the kids. And it's like, well, actually you verbally did admit she killed the kids. Her civil suit admits she killed the kids. The jury was informed that she killed the kids. Like everybody around here was operating under the assumption that she killed the kids. You can't just turn around and say, well, now, no, no, we're actually going to do something else. Also, Massachusetts, uh, has the dumbest insanity plea law of anywhere in the country. Most places. You say, oh, I'm pleading insanity. I was not in my right mind at the time. Um, which is why temporary insanity is kind of a silly one, but. Oh, I wasn't in my right mind at the time. Um, you know, I, I, I shouldn't be punished. I should get, I should be given help. Well, in those cases, the defense has to prove the person was insane when they committed the act.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  In Massachusetts, it's the other way around where the prosecution has to prove the person was sane, which makes no sense.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  It's like you, you can't, you're, you're positing something. You have to prove it's burdened proof.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Basically, the defense somehow manages to put the burden of proof on the prosecution when the defense is the one making the claim.

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• 16:22Speaker 03

  That's.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  They're the only state, right?

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Only state.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  So out of 50, it's.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Well, for example, Ed Gein, this is another big insanity plea case that's happened. What he did was he went in and his lawyers were like, yeah, he's completely insane and not competent to stand trial. So they kept him in a psych ward for a month and just ran tests and observed him and saw what was going on. And by the end of it, the psychologists who did the interviews with him and everything, they were like, yeah, he's not, he, he genuinely doesn't understand why what he did is wrong.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Was that the mine hunter guy?

• 16:54Speaker 01

  No, that's.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  He's Leatherface up in Wisconsin. He like.

• 16:59Speaker 04

  Dug up a lot of bodies.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, dug up bodies and turned people into lamps and shit.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  Oh, but did.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  That, that is what Gein did too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gein was, he was digging people up.

• 17:06Speaker 03

  I thought that's who we were talking about.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is. Yeah. Sorry. I misunderstood what you were saying.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  No, we're saying the other one from Mine Hunter wasn't this one.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, not the same guy.

• 17:13Speaker 04

  Did Leatherface and a lot of serial killers.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. So. Yeah, pretty much. I would think that the defense could pretty much rest on the fact that this is what my client did. He's clearly insane from the action. Like that's.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  But even then they couldn't, like the, the prosecution was gunning for first degree murder and, uh, for two of the cases. And then for a whole bunch of other crimes for everything else.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Which I mean.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  It makes sense, but the, the defense basically was like, hey, he, there, there's two aspects to this law. One is, is he competent to participate in his own defense? The other is, does he understand that what he did is wrong? And on both counts, they were like, he's not competent to stand in his own defense. And he does not understand why what he did was wrong. And then they kept him in a mental hospital for the remainder of his life. Which is how that should be handled. They did put him on trial a couple more times to see if he was able to stand trial and to be punished for what he did.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  There's also a cheaper option.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  There is a much cheaper option. Yes. But in Gein's case, it was like, yeah, this is a, it's kind of like looking at it where it's somebody who's, you know, IQ sub 70. And you're like, ah, can we really kill that guy? Does he really understand what he did wrong?

• 18:16Speaker 03

  The answer is yes.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so there's a range of opinions on this subject.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Now you're not, this table right here is very.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Might be a range of opinions on this subject.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  I thought it was just a practical question.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, those people are killable.

• 18:28Speaker 03

  Legitimately, yeah. Welcome to Texas.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  They certainly are killable. It's just a question of whether or not you should.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  You get a particularly ornery dog. What do you do with it?

• 18:36Speaker 01

  And he can't take a test.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Oh, so you're telling me he can take a nine millimeter to the back of the head. Anyway, you're telling me he's dangerous and can't be fixed.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Anyway, the, the point of the matter, the point of the matter.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  So he would babysit your kids. Bring it in.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Did babysit people. That's.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Oh, I know.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Fucking really? No. Oh, yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. He was a babysitter.

• 18:56Speaker 05

  But he also never did anything to the kids.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Well, he didn't do anything to the kids other than, you know, like, put on one of the masks in front of them to try to scare them, um, which would probably be pretty fucked up.

• 19:05Speaker 05

  Did it also like not really work on the kids too?

• 19:08Speaker 01

  The kids were more confused than they were scared. Yeah. Um, which is apparently what happened in the Lindsay Clancy case because there's no defensive wounds. Um, but yeah, in her case, the thing is with Jean, he was retried several times and they kept determining, yeah, this guy is incompetent, stand trial. He's got to remain in a mental hospital. With Massachusetts, the way it works is that if Lindsay Clancy is found not guilty by reason of insanity, she goes to a mental hospital for six months. And then they can release her if she is apparently competent.

• 19:37Speaker 05

  Well, give your reasoning why you have your opinion that you did because you have particularly nuanced takes on that in terms of her responsibility in the case.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  What exactly was the opinion? Cause I think we kind of glanced around.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Sure. So the, the end verdict was hung trial. There, there's nobody, nobody can decide.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Um, one person stopped.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. One person stopped all of this.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  Lone black juror.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Everything Reddington did afterwards is beyond the pale and he should be disbarred. He's a fantastic lawyer. He's a terrible human being. Um, you know, I asking the president for a pardon, knowing that the president could not pardon his client.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  It's all performative.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  It's all performative. The whole point is to taint the jury pool, make sure that they can't have a proper trial of her for a second one, because it looks like they're going to have one. Um, now my opinion on it was after reviewing everything and looking over all the details, whether or not she was psychotic at the time of the murders is actually irrelevant because she did not claim to have been psychotic when she checked herself out of a mental hospital. She did not claim to be psychotic when she decided to stop taking her medications against doctor's orders. She had not claimed to be psychotic at any point leading up to this as she was making medical decisions for herself. And those medical decisions, as she is alleged in her civil suit, are what led to the, the murders happening. So she,

• 21:00Speaker 01

  in her rational mind, made decisions which led to these murders occurring by taking herself off medication, by checking herself out of the mental hospital, which means that she at the very least bears a degree of, uh, responsibility for negligent homicide.

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• 22:10Speaker 03

  So decisions made in her sane mind is what led to this.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Therefore circumventing the temporary.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Yes. Which is why I think that she deserves to go to jail, no matter what the murder thing is because, you know, whether or not she, she was insane at the time, she made decisions which led to that happening and she needs to be held accountable for it.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  That pissed off everybody?

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, because.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  You'd be surprised on this case. It was very, because the aisle we sit on is, it's, we look at that and it's like, oh, that's stupid as shit.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  You murdered your three kids.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like, wow, wild idea. But how that side defended her or would go after anyone if they didn't fall in line with that ideology is fucking insane. Cause they would like witch hunt you essentially.

• 22:50Speaker 05

  There were two primary camps for that defense. One of them was the medical industry failed her because she had multiple different doctors, multiple different psychiatrists that were all prescribing her tons of different medications that all had.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  That was a shocking thing to me. The amount of drugs she was on was fucking insane.

• 23:06Speaker 05

  Yeah. And it was that. And then it was also then the kind of TikTok psychosis where they were all starting to think that Patrick did it. And that was a lot of people that were essentially just like.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  TikTok psychosis.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  The craziness of the Patrick did it crowd is really the scariest part of the whole thing because there's no evidence that he did it. Their entire argument is based on misunderstandings of what happened. And you can explain this to them and they double down on it.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  They're all treating it like it's a true crime show that they're listening to. And it's like, whoa, waiting for the plot twist at the end. And it was actually the husband who did it. It's like, no, you dumb fucking [__]. This woman murdered her three children. The argument that we're having is whether, you know, she is culpable for what she did because she was loaded full of fucking pills. You know, she took herself off of them, the postpartum shit, even though the kids were, you know, three years old at the youngest or whatever.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Eight months. Eight months was the, the youngest.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  That is ripped through that community like fucking crack in the eighties.

• 24:07Speaker 04

  White, yeah, fucking dumb white bitches.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  It's been weird because we're like, we're in it. We make true con content. Um, but we don't do it the way most of the big true crime creators do it. Uh, we do it in a very different style. Um.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  We said yesterday, it's, you're not going into these as a true crime. You're like, oh, we're going to solve this murder. It's, hey, let's just build the evidence and see which way this.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  See where, see where it takes us.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  Your lands.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  I, I wanted, I want to approach it the way I imagine a detective would approach a case where something needs to be explained to people. And it's like, what does all the evidence tell us? And, you know, how do we extrapolate it? How do we interpret it from there? But, uh, in, in the true crime community, it's just gotten to the point where you've got very few people who do what we do and a lot of people who their whole goal is to capitalize and make money. Um, and they don't care about the effect that it's going to have on people. And I think in the one sense, there's the immediate effects of the people you're talking about and their families and all that, you know, you, you don't want to cause unnecessary harm.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  They're not movie characters. These are real people.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Um, so you don't want to cause unnecessary harm. You want to be careful about it. But then there's the, the knock on effects where when these creators get popular and they keep phrasing things a certain way, they keep explaining things a certain way, they keep telling certain stories. Um, and they leave out facts and they leave out details all for the sensationalism or whatever. Then you, you have a societal effect where people over more and more begin to misunderstand how any of this works. So you've got, you know, true crime creator, their fans, and then their fans tell people how they interpreted what the true crime creator said. And then those people tell other people what they heard from their friends. And eventually you've got a ton of people who believe things that simply aren't true, which is what happened with Lindsay Clancy. It's like, you know,

• 25:50Speaker 01

  the half of the information out there that people will tell you is just false. Like not, not even twisted, not, uh, you know, you know, based off of a truth, but.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  It's objectively wrong.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Just objectively wrong information.

• 26:04Speaker 05

  Like nobody does their due diligence any.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also stuff like, they're like, well, why was the dad's DNA found on the exercise bands? Because he pulled them off the kids.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  And he lives in the.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  And he lives in the house. Like, he's probably used them. They're like, well, Lindsay's DNA wasn't found in the exercise bands. It was. It just was.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  See like stuff like that where again, a majority of people are like, no, see, and you're like, no, it's easily proven wrong.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Well, cause and this is an issue that I have with creators that will remain, uh, un, you know, unnamed, but the, the, the way that YouTube works and the way that, uh, you know, basically you're just, you're working for clicks. Like a lot of these people, if let's say.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Kentucky ballistics.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Fuck you Scott.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  Him and his sensationalist true crime videos.

• 26:47Speaker 05

  Aren't those the guys who like blew up an R K G next to their head?

• 26:51Speaker 03

  That was ballistic high speed.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  This guy is a much worse guy.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  He's, he's a very good dear friend. Uh, but he's, but like there's, there's creators that let's say like 95% of people are saying the same thing because it's the truth. And like, that's actually what happened. But that 5% can then counter. And there's at least 30% of the population that's willing to believe that and go along with that. So they're like, oh, fuck, this is a better untapped market share. There's a bunch of just grift.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  I was gonna say that's called grifting.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause I don't believe it. And most of them know that it's not true.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  The entire flatter community.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Because they know that there is a community there that is willing to, to watch it.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  That's the, I, the missing 411 stuff, that's probably the best example I've ever seen of that.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  Really?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Oh my God. I, and I bought into it hook, line and sinker. Like originally I was like, man, this seems like there's really something weird going on. All these people disappearing in the woods and the cops can't figure out what's going on. Like that seems real. And I spent three years researching it to come to the conclusion that this is all made up.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Really?

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Like this, this.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  So Connor, you're safe.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  This entire thing is bullshit.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  They're never gonna find me.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  I'm not like, okay, I have to, for legal reasons, I have to say this is my opinion. But in my opinion, the whole missing 411 franchise and phenomenon exists for the sole purpose of getting people to spend money investigating Bigfoot.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Get, get some.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Well, give an example, like, uh, a couple, like missing 411 cases. Like, okay, this is bullshit.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Back in, I think it was the eighties, uh, girl named Teresa Beer. She's 15 or 16. She's in California. She disappears. And the way David Politis presents this story is that, uh, she had gone.

• 28:23Speaker 05

  Background on who he is real quick.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  He is a court, well, I found out he's got a master's degree in HR. So a lot makes more sense now. Um, but he is a former police officer from California, uh, San Diego specifically. He writes books called Missing 411 and these books are about people who go missing under mysterious circumstances. Originally, the whole idea was going missing in national parks. And then he made one that was basically just copying off of the Smiley Face Killers thing, um, which was kind of weird. Now he's got one that's a specific movie just about disappearances in the national parks of Washington, which I watched and realized I've covered half of the cases already. Um, which was kind of fun. Cause I was like, oh, this will be easy to debunk. Um, but you know, for, for example, one from that case, I, sorry,

• 29:07Speaker 01

  no, it was a different one. What was I thinking of? Um, yeah. Teresa Beer. This is the 1980s. In, in David Politis's first book, Missing 411 Western United States, he says that Teresa, you know, went off for a hike with this neighbor and then the neighbor came back, but she didn't. And the neighbor ended up telling the police that she was abducted by a tribe of Sasquatch. And they went.

• 29:30Speaker 04

  A likely story.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  He cites specific newspaper articles to tell this story. And so I go and I read those newspaper articles and it turns out the exact same ones he referenced all say that police have determined this man actually kidnapped the girl and probably murdered her. And that the whole tribe of Sasquatch thing was complete bullshit.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  Well, well, well, well.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Which is what any reason.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  David Politis.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Which is more. Likely.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  David Politis instead makes it like, leaves out everything else and just kind of leaves it at, you know, the guy said that she had been abducted by a tribe of Sasquatch and when police found the camp, they couldn't find any evidence to the contrary. And I'm like, what, explain the evidence to the contrary to me. What, what would you consider evidence to the contrary that this girl was kidnapped by a tribe of Sasquatch?

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Uh, the guy who obviously and murdered her.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And that was the thing too, is like, this guy had been a problem. He had been stalking her. Teresa was a special needs girl.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  He was trying to save her from the Sasquatches.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  It's, it is the most obvious thing ever. And also he had been like feeding her this story of like, we should go look for Sasquatch in the mountains for weeks.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Why wouldn't you go with like mountain lions?

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Cause that's an objective.

• 30:46Speaker 05

  It's not as big enough.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Listen, man, until you felt the tender embrace of a female Sasquatch, I'm going to need you to shut your mouth.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  I thought you were going somewhere else with that and I got very concerned.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  The police officer, it's like, what happened?

• 30:59Speaker 02

  You're never gonna believe this.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  You're right. I don't.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  You have the right to remain fucking silent. You're right.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Right here, she was abducted. It's just like.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's probably one of the most obvious ones.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Wait, did they not arrest homie?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  No, they did.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  He actually did end up not being convicted though.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  What? Not enough evidence.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  No evidence to convict him.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  It was all circumstantial. They, they had no physical evidence tying him to the crime and no body. They never found her body. So.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  Oh, I see.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  He did end up getting convicted of something else several years later, and I'm pretty sure he died in prison.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Did he, did he blame that on Sasquatches?

• 31:35Speaker 01

  No, no. Uh, it was like, yeah, it was like robbery.

• 31:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Hard to blame robbery on Sasquatch.

• 31:41Speaker 05

  Well, and so the, the reason specifically that Matt has mentioned that Politis is probably doing the whole thing for Bigfoot is because before he started doing all these missing 411 books and documentaries, what was he doing?

• 31:50Speaker 01

  He was writing books about Bigfoot.

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• 33:17Speaker 01

  He, he started an organization called, uh, North America Bigfoot Search, I think.

• 33:22Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  And he says that he was working a different job as like HR or sales, or it was some other corporate gig. And his bosses got really into Bigfoot and just came to him and they were like, hey, we know you were a police officer and you're into Bigfoot. Can you find Bigfoot for us? And he's like, yeah, I can find Bigfoot for you. And that's his story.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Crazy thing to claim.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. And how his research into Bigfoot got started. And I'm like, well, obviously you must've been interested in Bigfoot before 2008. Um, cause you started this organization like 2006. So I'm looking into everything and, uh, and he's also got this story about how the missing 411 thing started, which has changed every single time he's told it. It, it's kind of like Steven Seagal telling fight stories. Uh, but it, it's, it starts off with, he's working on, a documentary for something. He's, he's looking into something, some, some interesting trends in the forest. He doesn't say it's Bigfoot, but in later retellings, it's clear that this is about Bigfoot. He was interviewing some people. Sometimes it's park contractors. Sometimes it's Rangers. Sometimes it's off duty employees. Sometimes it's off season employees. Uh, and then later that night,

• 34:25Speaker 01

  uh, a ranger shows up to his motel room out of uniform and knocks on the door, except sometimes it's two Rangers. Sometimes it's two male Rangers. Sometimes it's a male and a female. Uh, they tell him that people have been going missing in the parks and nobody's really doing anything about it. And you know, somebody's got to look into it. And then there's, you know, that part usually remains pretty much the same, but I, he asks, you know, do, do people know about this? And then he gets a call from somebody and the FBI is trying to shut him down. And most recently he got in touch with, uh, who's the representative from Tennessee who's into UFOs?

• 34:57Speaker 02

  Burchett.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Or Tim, Timberchett.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Timberchett.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  He somehow got in contact with Burchett and Burchett was like, we'll get you in contact with DOI.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  This is my whole gig right now.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm like, but it's like the UFO is going.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Well, he's, he's a very funny guy. He's like a very funny representative. He's awesome.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  If you win, I would, I would love the, the hookup to bring him on our show, cause that would be hilarious.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  He's, he's, well, we, we get first dibs.

• 35:20Speaker 04

  Is he? Okay.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Obviously, obviously.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Super into UFOs?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Like a lot of the UFO disclosures. He's also, I think he's the guy that, uh, rides the skateboard around the Capitol.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  But no, it's Politis. Like he got in touch with Politis and said he would get him in touch with the DOI.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  I feel like I'm having a stroke this episode. We got lions in fucking malls. We got like a skateboarding congressman is obsessed with UFOs. A little girl got [BLEEP] by Bigfoot. The fuck?

• 35:46Speaker 01

  It sounds like a Blink 182 album. It does.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Looks like that last part.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  No, that would, uh, that's the bonus track.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Dude, they have a song where the opening lyric is, it's Christmas Eve and my grandpa just ate seven [BLEEP] hot dogs and he shit, shit, shit his pants. He's always [BLEEP] shit in his pants. They can have a song about Bigfoot [BLEEP] a teenager.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  I'd prefer they didn't.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Me too, me too. But like.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  I feel like I'm going to wake up on my best friend's couch in high school and my, the last 10 years of my life were a mushroom trip, bro.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  You want to go to the mall?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  He's like, bro, that salvia is crazy, huh?

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Let's go check out the lions at the mall.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  I spent seven years as a brick in the unsub house.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  No, guys, you'll never believe me. I was harassing a future congressman with a didgeridoo.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  That is an objectively wild thing to say.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  That was, I tweeted that last night.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  I tweeted that last night and somebody, somebody said this sentence has never been said before.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  Dude, I love marking that when people say something to be like, that is the first time in history, somebody said that for sure.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Jeez. All right. So back to Squatch.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  I can talk Squatch all day.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  I just say, so do a lot of the 411, like 411s, whatever they're called, just crazy people making up story. And then it just took root.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  So here's the thing, it's usually not crazy people making up a story. It's usually a very mundane and boring story that a crazy person took and made crazy. Like there's like this story about the. One specific crazy person.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  The little boy who went missing and like, all they found was his shoe.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  And like, that's like seven of them.

• 37:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. I assume you mean Dennis Martin.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  No, Martin, they never found anything.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  Oh, wait, is it Aaron Hedges?

• 37:28Speaker 01

  No, that was an adult.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  And cause there were, there were like two theories. It was either he was abducted by like this.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  I think I know your [BLEEP] killer. Was, uh, Les Stroud involved in this one?

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  All right. I'm trying to think of which one, cause there's a few of them where it's like, all they found was a missing shoe or his clothes were folded on a rock or.

• 37:44Speaker 04

  That's a, there's a random.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Well, I think this one was a random per, like they, one random dude was talked to or discussed when he went missing, but past that he was just gone and they found a shoe like miles away.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  I think so. Cause I think, I think a lot of them, I've heard a theory that it's like the way, the way that people go missing and the way that parts of them are found, it's similar to like how mountain lions hunt.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  This one, uh, the kid, I think the parents.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was like a family.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  Outing, they were just hanging out and they didn't even go hiking. It was literally in their little area.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they were like playing hide and go seek, and then the kid's just fucking gone forever.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  See, that sounds like Dennis Martin.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. That, that one would be Dennis Martin.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  But the shoe was found. Took the, the child.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  There is another one that's more recent and, uh, Dior Kuntz is a similar story to that. Um, but it looks more like there might've been foul play in that one. Uh, Dennis Martin was one of the great Smokies.

• 38:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Uh, in the late sixties who vanished after a game of hide and seek. Um, they never found him. And of course, before we had gone there and seen the spot for ourself, I, I was like, I, I can't comprehend this. You know, how could he have gone missing with nobody seeing it? Then we got out there and there are spots where if you step off the trail, you're falling eight feet into a bush.

• 38:58Speaker 05

  Oh, there's also like, there's a ton of, uh, especially if you're trying to go down the mountain. There's a lot of drainages where it's like the, the path itself will curve, but there's a drainage that goes straight, essentially directly off a 20 foot cliff. And if you're, what was he, six?

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Six, yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. If you're six and you're lost and you're just trying to follow the trail and you're not looking up, you could easily just dunk right over it.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Well, kids don't have that height factor or like that fear. Was it literally the other day, it was a mom going, I, uh, uh, God, I hope my kid does not fall. Cause kid was climbing a tree. This is a six year old and the kid is 50.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure we all did that shit when we were little kids.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. And the mom's just filming. It's like, hey, you should probably come down. He's like, okay. And she's like, oh my God.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  You don't want to freak him out. So it's like, can you just get down from there?

• 39:48Speaker 02

  I saw that video too. That freaked me out. See, and that was the parent.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. And then the kid had like webs on him and little brother like picks him off and you're like, oh man, that is fucking terrifying.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Again, no fear.

• 40:02Speaker 05

  Yeah. The amount of shit I climbed in the woods that I would never let my child climb.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  Uncountable.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  I spent a lot of time in trees as a kid.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  You let him hear a tiger.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  So a six year old and then like.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Listen dude, I've seen the Tiger King's third husband's cock. So what do you want to say to me?

• 40:16Speaker 04

  Why?

• 40:17Speaker 01

  I didn't ask for it, if that's what you're wondering.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  That's really the only question I have.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  I don't know. He added me on Snapchat. It was during COVID. Uh, just random people are adding me on Snapchat. Yeah. No.

• 40:30Speaker 05

  Nope. The Tiger King messaged me during COVID and said that he wanted to do.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  appearances and it was gonna cost like a couple hundred dollars for 20 minutes or something like that was weird. It's from his official account.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Oh my, you should have had him. You should have had him do it. Like that would have been fantastic.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  That because, well, that's a good case to even discuss because he's, well, no, nevermind. I'm thinking of the other guy that got. What kicked off the entire true crime on Netflix? It was to make a murderer?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  I think so. Making a murderer. Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  You remember that one?

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, that guy was innocent, but then they left out a lot of details that also showed.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  I, I love how we started with tigers in cages, old crazy men and missing people. And we just slowly brought them all together with Tiger King.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  I mean, Tiger King and Making a Murderer are the ones that really.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Covid was a wild time.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Tiger King could have Sasquatch. Probably did. Yeah. A male one specifically. Like the one part where he's like, I do drugs. I am gay.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I am addicted to drugs. I own guns. I am a homosexual.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  I could have intuited all of that. I said, I could have intuited all of that.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Did you guys watch Making a Murderer? None of you watched that one?

• 42:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  That is pretty much what kicked off that entire.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  You seen it show?

• 42:11Speaker 04

  They did a really good job on that because that's how he got the second season, which tanked. And then they didn't give it a third. So no one gave a fuck after that. Like everyone was like, let him out of jail. He's getting pardoned. He didn't do it or him and his nephew.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Listen, that bitch Carol Baskin though. Definitely killed her husband. We're gonna do an episode on that soon. Okay, so we were thinking about making that a Pepperbox exclusive episode.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Did you do any research on this? Irons hot, I see.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Not yet. I mean, from everything that they, everything that they put on the Netflix show. It looked like she fucked.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  It looked like she fucking killed her husband. Yeah. Speaking of, by the way, we do have a Pepperbox exclusive. I want to mention that.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  It should be up by now.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's called American Monsters. Uh, it's about serial killers.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's I don't know. Figured I should mention that at some point.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, the Lore Lodge exclusive, but then we also have a special exclusive coming out.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, we also a history unhinged, uh, episode that we couldn't use on YouTube or Patreon. And we were like, this, we know where this is gonna go.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Somebody got a little too spiced assholes.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  I might have referred to several ethnicities as not being human. Um.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  They will surprise you.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  There's a line.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. They will surprise you.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  Well, when you go with monsters, that's, uh, are you doing it based off of some of the, they started that new series.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Monsters on Netflix. Yeah. So the first one, actually, yes, that was kind of how I had the idea was we were covering Ed Gein. And it was at the same time that. My, uh, monster Ed Gein had come out, um, which terrible, just horrifically inaccurate and.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  Really?

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Point of being slander against certain people. Um, yeah, like the woman who plays his love interest, the entire movie, whose actual name is escaping me right now. Um, she knew the guy for like a total of eight months and they went out to walk in the park a couple of times. And they make her like the inspiration for his killings.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  It's a real person. It's a real person with a real name.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  And there's no way that guy was getting.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know about that. The same thing about Bernie's work, the other, the, the woman, the one woman he kills. Um, you know, they have there be a whole affair between her and Ed Gein, and that never happened. Like there was never any relationship between those two. Um, and the show could have had it be, you know, like it was his imagination and it was perception and. You know, he was just going insane and thought this had happened, but they don't, they, they make it a real thing that happened. Um.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  The dramatic effect is, I don't see how that's legal in any capacity.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Cause she's dead.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  Real person. Okay.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  Which still sucks for them or their family members like, oh, well, this girl was the problem or however.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Imagine forty, forty years later, yeah, somebody comes along with a multimillion dollar budget to slander your grandma.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  And she had kids. Like she probably has living descendants who saw this.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  But this has happened with pretty much every Netflix thing that we've covered, especially the JonBenet series.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  The JonBenet series was just des- despicable because of how many things they let John lie about.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Which we are restarting our investigation into that.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  First one of those just went up.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  What do you, what do you think about the other monsters things? Cause I, I really enjoyed the one that they did about, uh, like I think it was the Mendoza brothers.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I've heard that that one was decent in terms of realism and that it's just been getting worse.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Cause that's, cause that's the wild part is that that's still an ongoing thing where these guys might get, um. Fucking let out of prison. I forget.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Oh, really? I didn't know.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  From what I have heard about that.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  Pardon, uh.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Good behavior.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, when they, they do an interview. Parole, thank you.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  Oh, hey, parole, yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Cause there was that one and then there was Dahmer, which I really liked the Dahmer one.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Dahmer, how, that one, it felt pretty fucking spot on. It, I mean, his story is. Enough where you don't have to change it. Where Ed Gein, I do believe his story is, yes, he's crazy, but it's not to the degree like. Texas Chainsaw Massacre where you're like, oh, he's a fucking psychopath.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  He only killed like two people, didn't he?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, he only killed two people. Most of his victims were already dead when he dug them up.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Most would say two too many.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Definitely two too many.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, but.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  No, no argument there. Um, but he did only kill two people. He's not really a, he's not a serial killer. He doesn't fit the serial killer mold. And, uh, another funny thing is that in the show, he helps them track down Ted Bundy.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Is that what?

• 46:17Speaker 01

  That did not happen.

• 46:18Speaker 03

  No, that.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Now, the FBI did speak to him. The FBI did send John Douglas and another profiler to go and interview Gein. But Douglas is quoted as saying that Gein was so insane that there was, they couldn't get anything useful out of him, even for their purposes, which were not. Like an actual crime they were solving. It was them studying the psychology of serial killers. And they were like, yeah, Gein was so insane that we couldn't get anything useful out of him.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  To make sense.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  No, he did not help with catching Ted Bundy. You know who helped catch Ted Bundy? Ted fucking Bundy.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Dude was an idiot. Like he, he gets away with it for so long and then. Escapes from prison twice and proceeds to immediately commit crimes again.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  He just couldn't help him, man.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  It's, it's remarkable.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  That, well, I can't remember. It's another comedian that's got that bit about like, you know that that guy had to be actually like attractive as. Or charming as fuck. Because like his line was, I don't know how to, like, my car's broken down. Can you please help me to women?

• 47:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Wait a minute. That's, that's the line that, that got all these women? Holy shit.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  He got several women in one day by being like, I can't load my boat onto my car.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Several women in one day.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  Well, he'd like had a cast and a crutch and carrying books and be like, oh, I need your help. And.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  It's actually hilarious because there are women who would say no. And he'd be like very frustrated by it. And there were some that were just like. Yeah, that, that feels wrong. I'm just not gonna do that. And then I think one had a boyfriend who she was like, yeah, my boyfriend can help you. And then Ted was just like.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  His progression.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  Broken arm.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  Brings cast.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Foiled again.

• 48:06Speaker 01

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• 48:07Speaker 03

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• 49:56Speaker 01

  His progression as a serial killer is really weird because it doesn't, it doesn't fall along the lines you'd expect.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  He wasn't a normal serial killer.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Exactly. His early victims are adult women who are generally like pretty high status. Either they're in, they're in college or they come from a good family or something like that. By the end, he's going after like 12-year-old girls. He, he goes from like kidnapping people and then killing them in ways that are kind of difficult for anybody to solve. To just like beating 12-year-old girls to death and throwing them in a swamp.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Was there a reason?

• 50:31Speaker 03

  I guess.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  It's, it seems more like he was devolving and he was actually losing control and just going after anything, which is weird when it comes to.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  It's a rarity though.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  When it comes to the kids, yeah, that's usually it's, you've got offenders who are preferential. And he doesn't seem like he's a [BLEEP] file at first because he's going after adult women when teenage girls are gonna be the easier targets. So it seems like his preference is for adult women, but as he devolves further, his, he goes after younger and younger. And it seems like it was probably because they were the easier targets, not because he was attracted to younger girls. Which he might've been, he might've been a [BLEEP] file too. I don't know.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Because I don't, I don't remember if his crimes were inherently sexual.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  It seems like they probably were. I don't know that they ever recovered any hard evidence because it was the seventies and we don't get DNA analysis until the nineties.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Right. And he'd already fried by then.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was, he was gone.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Well, he was also weird because he had that kind of, whether it was real or not, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde thing going on.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did. He would be very, his personality would change quite a bit depending on who he was talking to and what time of day it was like. There were definitely some things wrong with him.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  And he, he would never claim responsibility for his crimes because he always claimed it was essentially a different personality.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, he claimed that he was inhabited by another personality, but he didn't really, he kind of talked about it in demonic terms, but not quite.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  I will say such a cop out.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  The biggest flashbang of that entire show was at the very end, the Florida judge being played by Sheldon from Big Bang.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  I was not prepared for that.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  It was a very serious show up until that exact moment.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  What show is this?

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Uh, the Ted Bundy Netflix show.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  Oh, I never watched that.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, it wasn't the Netflix, I'm sorry.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  There's a show and there's a movie.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  The movie.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, the movie was Zac Efron.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Zac Efron.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  I never watched it. Hit that motherfucker with the bazinga.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Life.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Chair.

• 52:25Speaker 05

  The only thing I know about that man is the only reason they had him wear long sleeves throughout the entirety of Big Bang is because he was too yoked and it didn't fit the character.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Seriously?

• 52:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, apparently he was shredded.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Hey, can I ask another question? How did that show get a spinoff and how did the spinoff get a spinoff?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  I found out about.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, the spinoff is Young Sheldon. And then the spinoff of Young Sheldon is like George and Mandy's first marriage, which is starring Emily Osment and some guy. Where the premise is that Emily Osment's character is 10 years older than her husband and she's only like 33.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  I think there's another spinoff too.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  There was the future big, I seen a trailer when, I don't know, it looks like a sci-fi movie or show.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  That show, yeah, made a bajillion dollars and they're like, well, let's keep milking it. Oh, Young Sheldon worked fucking, that got a billion seasons, just keep printing dollars.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  It, it is weird because Emily Osment feels like she should be a lot older than she is to me. I'm realizing she's probably only like six years older than I am.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Who?

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Like she's gotta be in her mid 30s. Emily Osment. She was the side character in Hannah Montana.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  That we are.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Brandon shouldn't be too old for this.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  I'm not too old for it. I just never [BLEEP] watched Hannah Montana. She kind of looks like Haley Joel Osment if he was a woman. Oh, actually that really does help. I think I know who you're talking about now.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Fuck guys, you ancient fucks.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  She could get it.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Sitting at a table of aged wizards.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  Where's the orb?

• 53:51Speaker 02

  I'm only.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, where's your orb, mother?

• 53:53Speaker 05

  We have other things to ponder.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Where's the dragon balls?

• 53:57Speaker 02

  They're over here.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  The monsters, so after the monsters, he's like, okay, we're gonna do a couple of these. And then it actually took off into now.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Like, okay, we can hit.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Everything I've heard about the Lizzie Borden series is that the Lizzie Borden series is terribly inaccurate.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Really?

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  That was the chick with the axe, right?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, probably. I believe that. You see, here's the thing. I went to do the story. I was gonna cover it for the channel. I think actually for Pepperbox and then I was reading through it. I'm like, oh, uh, this is super boring.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  It's literally, we have to make up everything.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Like it's, it makes sense that, you know, the most boring true crime story in history would be the story of a woman in New England.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Bitch went crazy and hacked her family up.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  It's like, yeah, if I lived in New England, I probably would too. You ever been there? Boring. There's nothing going on.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  You ever been in Nantucket?

• 54:45Speaker 01

  No, and I don't want to go. I, I feel like, here's the thing, I feel, I grew up in a very preppy area of Pennsylvania. And the last thing I want to do is go on vacation in an even more preppy place.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  You know?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  I just, I've never had a really good time in New England. Yeah, Lizzie Borden wasn't rude. That's just how they are up there.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  That is the.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  I fucking hate that shit.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Cop out. Like you go to like Boston and these places, we've done live shows and shit and everybody's a fucking asshole.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  And they'll just be, yeah, well, you know, everyone around here is like, they're an asshole, but like they're honest. So like, that's good. And I'm like, no, it's still not, you're still just a dick.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  What's the place we got?

• 55:21Speaker 05

  Was New England the Kevin Tripp?

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  Kevin Tripp is the worst, New Hampshire was the worst place on just the service, everything.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  Horrible look for the libertarians. It was like their state.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  It, yeah.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, the live free or die state.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  And yeah, we did not have a good time.

• 55:40Speaker 05

  The first time I fought with cops.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  It was not the first time you fought with cops.

• 55:44Speaker 05

  Oh, you know what?

• 55:47Speaker 04

  I just like waking up, it's like, oh, this happened last night. I was like, what? I mean, everything about that, the bartender to where we got, we ate at and it was just rude. They like, they got pissed that we wanted to order food essentially.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, the waiter came over and he's like, do you want to order like drinks or something? And we're like, well, we are sitting down at a table in a restaurant and you're the waiter. So I figure we may as well, one in Rome.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  Do you show up at like five minutes before close?

• 56:13Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  At about, I don't know, 6:30 in the evening when most people eat dinner.

• 56:21Speaker 05

  That is when most people eat dinner.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Ah, you know, like, but everybody around you, like, I know we're all assholes and [BLEEP], but like, that's just like how we do it. I'm like, I know, I know it is. That's, I don't like it.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  I had to apologize to a white woman in a Dunkin' Donuts once because of a New England.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Why did you feel the need to specify that?

• 56:37Speaker 01

  How do, how frequently do you see white people working at Dunkin' Donuts?

• 56:41Speaker 02

  I can't tell you the last time I did a Dunkin'.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  We don't have. Oh, right. We're in Texas.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Well, okay, so if you're from the Northeast. All the Dunkins are run by Indians. Very rare that you see a Dunkin' that is not run by Indians. So this, this was an instance where it was one of those rare Dunkins run by white people.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  In the Northeast, yeah, it sure fucking is.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  I had something, but I, I made eye contact with Brandon and I'm like, no.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  This is not.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Indian runs on Dunkin'. Yeah, uh, but so we're, we're in this Dunkin' and my friend [BLEEP] had left her ring, not her wedding ring, mind you, she's not married or engaged. She's left her ring in the bathroom and then we drive back to the house we're all staying at and she realizes she left her ring. So I'm like, oh, let's go back to the Dunkin'. We go to the Dunkin' and she walks up and we're standing there, I'm not kidding, for maybe 90 seconds while the two sets of people in front of us order. And as the second set of people is trying to finish up their order, my friend just starts yelling at both the customers and the staff. And she's from Massachusetts, so it's, you know, all in that accent. And she is just berating these poor people, demanding to be let into the bathroom. There's someone in the bathroom. She can't go in there anyway. They tell her this. She doesn't care. She keeps yelling.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  I finally usher her out of the Dunkin' Donuts. I go to apologize. And I, there's really no like funny part to the story. It's just like.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Lost her friend.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, your friend sounds like she sucks. That is kind of the moral of the story. It's just like, there's no funny part. It's just.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  Weird that you described her as a friend.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  My friend, oh, still.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  You did name drop her though.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  I probably should have given a big name. Yeah, there's enough people with that name in the world. She's gonna find out about this somehow and I'm gonna get.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  None that yelled at anybody in a Dunkin'.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  It sounds like you won't really care at this point.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Sounds like her berating people's kind of standard, so.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but no, it was just very typical Massachusetts, like Boston, you know, just bitching out the Dunkin' Donuts worker for something they can't control because you made a mistake and left your ring in the bathroom. Like that's on you, dude.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  The New Hampshire bartender was.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Just trying to hit me.

• 58:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was wild.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  Not like hit, hit you, not hit on you.

• 58:46Speaker 05

  Like no, physically strike.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  The hell happened to you?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  No, we didn't do anything.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  We're trying to order drinks and it's not like we don't tip. We don't do any, like, we're very accommodating.

• 58:57Speaker 05

  We took the fuck out of people.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Six percent yesterday. Dude, it's like we.

• 59:02Speaker 05

  All right, buddy.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  All right, Steve Buscemi. No, like we, yeah, take care of the people that take care of you. It's not like we're assholes in that regard, but yeah, no, that was, they just did not like, well, it was bizarre because they didn't like, because we were out of town. Yeah, we were out of towners. And they're just like, oh, you, you didn't grow up here? Fuck you. I'm sorry. I'm trying to bring money to your economy.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  Where's your ID? What? They got pissed about something. I know bringing a drink out.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Cody took a beer outside because I was smoking a cigarette. He just came out to talk to me. Like on, and it's not, it's not like we were in the middle of Main Street. We're just like hanging off to the side of this bar. They had like a little wooden patio. And the bartender. Yeah, the bartender freaked the fuck out at Cody.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  I think you guys went to the worst bar in New England.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Well, that we had that happen like everywhere we went in New England. Everybody was just rude as fuck.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  God, sometimes I forget how lucky we are in our town.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Oh, Pennsylvania is great. Pennsylvania is a fantastic place.

• 59:58Speaker 05

  Well, our town literally shuts the streets down from like May until October and it's open carry, like not guns.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Clear, when we say open carry, we do mean alcohol. It will get weird if you carry guns.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Not the town, like not the, the, the government, the people.

• 1:00:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. But no, yeah, I mean, you can just like drink, go in and out of bars and restaurants or whatever. It's great time. So whatever the hell is going on up there.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Pretty decent carry state though, right?

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  Pennsylvania, yeah.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Um, as long as you are outside of Philadelphia, you can open carry constitutionally. Um, and, uh, your concealed carry is basically you just go and you say, hey, I want one.

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  Don't open carry. I will be the one dude that says, don't do it just because it's target number one. I hate the idea of it. I hate, I'm sorry. You look so weird. And I know people look, Bob, it's your, it is, and you look stupid.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Everybody should have the right to do it and nobody should.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Nobody should, yeah.

• 1:00:49Speaker 05

  You want to know why? I would prefer to open carry. It's a very simple reason. I don't like shoving the gun in my pants.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Well, it's like.

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  I, I don't like having the pistol pointed directly at my cock and balls.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  You get caught, you get, you, I don't even know. If you have a good holster, you're never gonna notice that.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, get a good holster.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  Otherwise it is, I have a gun. But you know what, guys? I'm the bad guy. Walk in like, okay.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Better me than somebody else. I'll give the exception that if you're like, if you're, if you are working in like a manual labor field or like you're in the country or a farm and stuff like that, open carry is just.

• 1:01:21Speaker 05

  They say on it. Also, if it's a revolver, the drip of having a revolver on your hip outweighs anything else. I was gonna say, you just want to be able to do cowboy time and not get judged.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  It's like walking with two pistols. Like, ah, I'm like, no, don't you put it away. You.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  I open carried, I open carried for three years and it was because the state I was in didn't allow me to conceal carry before 21. I could carry openly at 18, but had to conceal, or I couldn't conceal until 21. So like legally speaking, I had to carry, which was really sad. What's up?

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  Nothing.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  He's like, no, I just.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Sometimes you just want to do cowboy shit.

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  It's always so weird seeing people do that to me because I'm like, why would you fucking show that off ever?

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Nah, dude, I'm keeping three single action armies. One here, one here, one here.

• 1:02:10Speaker 05

  Oh dude, speaking of cow.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  I'm putting a fourth one on my back.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Six pistol. If I was a crazy person, I really wanted a gun, I'd go to somewhere where people open carry and be like, all right, he's walking to his car, brick.

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  I was like, you'll snag it. Cody's like, no, brick attack. Magic brick.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  I throw brick.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Cody uses brick. It's highly effective.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  I will say.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  He uses steel.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  I think we met the most cowboy man alive in Montana.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. Are you talking about the dude whose dad shot a bear with a 30 pound draw weight bow?

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  Thirty five, but yeah, no, this guy, we, we went to a rodeo just over in West Yellowstone. And the guy.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  Happened until I talked to him myself and saw the video of it.

• 1:02:55Speaker 05

  Well, that's the thing. So I went the week prior to this rodeo and I'd never been to a rodeo before because I hadn't spent a lot of time out west and I was like, this is sick.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Not a lot of rodeos.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Not a lot of rodeos in Pennsylvania and, but I was intrigued by what I found was the, uh, the pickup guys who were the guys on the horses who corralled the bull into the chute. And so I went up after, uh, the thing to the side of the rail because he was talking to people. I was like, dude, just wanted to say, I think you guys have the coolest fucking job here. Like that looks badass. And he was like, thanks, man. I appreciate that. And he saw I had a Hoyt hat on. He was like, oh, are you into bow hunting? I was like, yeah, I just started. And he was like compound or, uh, you know, recurve or whatever. I was like, yeah, I got a compound. He's like, oh, you gotta do a stick bow. I'm like, what are you, like a, like a longbow? And he was like, yeah, you gotta get into stick bow hunting. And I'm like, do you do that? And he was like, yeah, of course I do. I'm like, what are you talking about? And he was like,

• 1:03:44Speaker 05

  yeah, you know, me and my sons will go out and we'll go stick bow hunting, whatever. And he pulls out his phone and he's showing me these pictures. His sons are five and three.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Holy fuck.

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  And he's got like a 900 pound elk that he got with a literal longbow.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  And they're just.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  Thirty five pound draw weight longbow.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  Well, no, his was 75.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Oh, his, okay. That's an appropriate draw weight for hunting.

• 1:04:04Speaker 05

  And I'm like, do you do this often? He was like, yeah, we'll get bears with them too. Like, you know, my dad, he was, uh, I think he was like 75 and he got a, uh, 10 foot grizzly with a 35 pound draw weight. And I was like, bullshit. And then he, we go over to his trailer. He shows us the video and it's literally of his elderly dad. A grizzly bear is charging at him. And he just goes.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Fuck off.

• 1:04:27Speaker 05

  And one hit through the shoulder, the thing runs off and collapses. And we were like, how did you get into this? And he was like, oh yeah, Paul Schaefer makes these stick bows. He goes and hunts polar bears up in the Arctic with them.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  I'm 99% sure Paul Schaefer is in the, uh, the story of the guy who got up in Canada.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  Probably. Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, he is.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  And so, and the other guy who was the other pickup guy on horse come, came by and he was like, oh, he's, he talking to you about stick bow hunting? And we were like, yeah. He's like, yeah, we all hunt out here, but he's fucking crazy.

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  Thirty five, just for reference, a 35 pound like bow is like a, shooting a bear with nine millimeter. You're, you have to have a very well placed shot to drop that.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  That's like, yeah, literally a children's bow.

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• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  I go to an event every year called War of the Barons. It's a LARP. I'll be honest about it, but it's very medieval, like reenactment themed. It's all, it, it looks very cool. Like it's the aura farming that occurs. Um, I'm not gonna pretend it's not nerdy as hell.

• 1:07:05Speaker 04

  Six.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  That goes on. The amount of aura farming that goes on is truly remarkable. The point is.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  We're shooting each other. We're shooting each other with 35 pound draw weight bows.

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Granted, they have foam tips on the arrows, but we're shooting each other with them. And this guy killed a bear with that.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. He also said the most Republican thing I've ever heard, which was because.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  Let's invade Iraq.

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  Close.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  He manages a bunch of cattle ranches out there and he was like, yeah, the only thing I hate more than Democrats are wolves. And I was like, and I was like, why? And he's like, because they kill all our cattle. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, aren't they on Yellowstone? He's like, yeah, but they migrate. We can't fucking kill them unless we have tags for them. And then he's like telling me the story about his wife called him when he was out in like one of the, you know, lands that he was managing. And she calls him and he's in like, hey, how many wolf tags do we have this year? And he was like, I don't know. You ordered them. Why? And she's like, just checking. He comes home. She's got a truck bed full of dead wolves.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:08:07Speaker 05

  Literally 12 of them that she got herself, I think with a bow. Um, no, that was rifle.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  That, that is a hell of a woman right there.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. I never understood the whole like hating of the wolves thing until he was showing us pictures of what they do to the cattle. And he's like, yeah, they're clearly well fed because they'll kill the calves. They will only eat the internal organs. They won't eat any of the meat and they'll just leave the rest of it to rot.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  I don't think, a lot of people don't realize even like pigs, you just did a video on pigs. It's the how bad that shit gets and then how much it affects areas.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Wolves, the whole thing. So think of any fairy tale ever. The bad guy's always a fucking wolf.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  Because for thousands of years, a legitimate concern was that your wife would leave to go wash the laundry down in the river and get ripped to pieces by fucking wolves. So us being humans, we killed the fuck out of all of them.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  And we bred them into things that killed them.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, little chihuahuas. And so, uh, yeah, now they're like, they basically were non-existent and a bunch of fucking hippies in the seventies, which are there, you know, they play a role in the ecosystem. Every animal does. We're all, we're all living on God's green earth. We're just visiting. Shouts out, big men. Now they're coming back and people are like, whoa, these things are terrifying. It's like, yeah, no shit. That's why we almost hunted them to extinction.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  You ever see one in person?

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, dude, they're fucking huge.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had him at that animal sanctuary that apparently was a mall.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  You went to the mall?

• 1:09:30Speaker 03

  Two.

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  I have a side, I have a large Siberian Husky. She's sixty pounds. They're usually like forty-five to fifty. I've seen a wolf.

• 1:09:40Speaker 03

  Still half the size.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  She's like half the size of a wolf.

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Your wolves are fucking big. Brandon, what were you guys?

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Well, no, I was gonna say, I used to have this thing about coyotes, cause you know, everybody talks about coyote hunting. And I'm like, man, so my, my biological grandfather had like a half, it was like a mutt, it was like a half, um, you know, shelter dog, half coyote. And her name was Bella, like real, real little cute dog. And that's what I always associated coyotes. So I always felt bad. Cause I fucking love dogs.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Speaker 03

  And then feeling like going out and hunting something like that. I'm like, that feels wrong.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's too close to a dog.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  And then you, then you see what they fucking do.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  They're fifty pound rats.

• 1:10:16Speaker 03

  It's, it's, yeah, now like, that's one of those animals. It's like coyotes and pigs. I can kill and feel nothing.

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  Did you ever hear a pack of coyotes at night?

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:24Speaker 05

  Fucking crazy.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  I actually heard him, I heard him last night.

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, we have them out in this area.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  We don't.

• 1:10:30Speaker 05

  Up in northeastern PA.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you get like outside of the populated areas, you, also, they keep telling us there's no mountain lions. There's mountain lions. People are catching the mountain lions on the trip.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  I said, you can't call them that.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  Oh, I know.

• 1:10:46Speaker 03

  The worst is, the worst is when you hit a coyote with your car and then you check on it and it's just some Navajo dude.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  You've got to explain that one.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  What is?

• 1:10:56Speaker 04

  You don't have to explain.

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  Remember, he has thirty-one days.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  That's fair. Uh, so in, in Navajo, in Navajo mythology, skinwalkers are human witches who tend to wear coyote pelts.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Uh, because it will give them the ability to blend in. It's more as camouflage than anything else. There is a certain belief that like you can take on some of the powers of the coyote. By wearing its skin. Uh, but no, they'll wear coyote pelts, uh, and run around on all fours. And that's, that's the origin of skinwalkers.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  Oh, that's not the craziest taking of power story in a native tribe that we have come across. We shared the best one with Eli yesterday.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I knew that. I was just imagining a fucking native guy on all fours out in the desert with a coyote pelvis back.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  I try not to ask too many questions. But it's one, one armed willy or whatever. There's like the whole skinwalker trend on TikTok. They're like, oh no, my Amazon driver's a skinwalker. Dude, it's worse. Like, skinwalkers are like covens of witches who believe they have, they, they get powers from eating human flesh. And they will go and climb up on top of your little hut and drop poison dust into your tent. And then either charge you to heal you, because usually the skinwalker is also the local healer. Or they'll kill you with it, take your belongings, or take your body and then eat you. When they go to bury you, they'll dig up the fresh grave and bring you back to their little cave and.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  That was the original.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  That's the original skinwalker story. Like, if you go back to the nineteen thirties.

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  Skinwalkers are gypsies.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  I'm not sure that gypsies eat people, but aside from that, yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  Do gypsies eat people?

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:23Speaker 05

  Ask a resident European.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  I love when Europeans are like, Americans are so racist. And then you ask them about gypsies.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  Joe's like.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Going from monsters to like even the serial killer side, a lot of the serial killers are stories.

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  From real stories too. Uh, or slasher, I guess slasher.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, slasher.

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  All the guys here are like, watch movies, a lot of movies. So which ones are like connections for that? Cause you have like your Jason Voorhees.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  Leatherface, which we talked about.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  There's a lot that are based on Gein. Um, because, and, and it's partially because he was doing what he was doing in the fifties. It was so beyond the pale of what anybody had considered normal. Like, there was nobody who heard Ed Gein's story and was like, yeah, I could imagine somebody was doing that.

• 1:13:06Speaker 03

  Albert Fish.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Uh, Alfred Hitchcock, you know, does Psycho, which Psycho's not based on Ed Gein, but he did consider what happened with Ed Gein in the writing of it. It was like the idea that this could happen. The, the theme of, you know, somebody who is so not harmful, somebody who seems so harmless, uh, could do something like this is, is crazy. And that's what the, what Psycho, that movie was, is. Norman Bates is a totally normal guy. How can he possibly do any of this? So Gein's probably, probably one of the more prolific ones. I'm trying to think, there's definitely a few others.

• 1:13:43Speaker 05

  I know Taxi Driver was loosely based off the guy who tried to kill Nixon? Somebody in that area.

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  Was, uh, Reagan? No, Reagan, Reagan.

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  Before Reagan.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, Reagan, the guy who watched, who tried to kill Reagan, watched Taxi Driver. He was inspired because he wanted to fuck Jodie Foster when she was a kid.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Oh, normal.

• 1:14:02Speaker 05

  Oh, my favorite is the, the before and after, and the before and after of Heat. Because Heat was inspired by a real guy, Neil McCauley, in the movie is based off a real guy named Neil McCauley. Who did a lot of the same shit in Chicago in the fifties or sixties or whatever.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Robberies or?

• 1:14:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, robberies.

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  High.

• 1:14:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, like High Line crime kind of stuff and robberies and stuff like that. And then Vincent Hanna in the film is based off of Chuck Adamson, who was friends with Michael Mann. Uh, who wrote the book, ever, sorry, the movie and then the subsequent book. But then, you know, that, uh, famous shootout scene in LA, you know, in that bank robbery scene. A year later, a group of robbers did the exact same thing because they were inspired by the movie. So the movie was inspired by real events and then the movie inspired real events.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Which happens, I mean, a lot more than people will admit.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  We should make a movie about that.

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  We should.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  Cause that's the, the big shootout, right?

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  The LA, yeah, the LA robbery, where the guy convinces retarded gym buddy.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  They were both, you were talking about the, the bank robbery, LA bank robbery, where they taped Kevlar to themselves and shit.

• 1:15:07Speaker 04

  I didn't realize the retarded.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  They were gym buddies, yeah. They were a bunch of, uh, I mean, muscleheads, basically. They were pumping fucking steroids and shit. And they're like, we can get some money. And they, they called them before they even pulled off one of the robberies with like tons of Kevlar and explosives and guns and shit in their car and let them go.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  Like, they let them go?

• 1:15:25Speaker 03

  They, they hadn't committed anything yet. It's not a crime. It's not a crime to have a suspicious amount of machine guns. Crazy shit and let them go. And then they came back and did the big, the big shootout.

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  Was this before or after the, uh, ban of fully automatics?

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  That was the eighties, right?

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  Eighty-six?

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  This is after.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, cause the movie came out in ninety-five.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. So that was, I, I wasn't sure if that helped with that entire ban, because it was like eighty-six. Brandon, when was the gun ban? Nineteen eighty-six.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Eighty-six.

• 1:15:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was right.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Also, for the, the veterans and cops in the room, is it true that, uh, they use that shootout scene to train people on like tactical reloads and stuff?

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  Leaping and bounding and stuff like that.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Speaker 05

  Val Kilmer was very proud of that.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  That's really cool.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Well, with actually his, I mean, homie like.

• 1:16:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Speaker 03

  Them shouting out calls to each other and everything.

• 1:16:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, there was a thing in the bonus features that Val Kilmer said where it was like somewhere in like the North or South Carolina Special Forces where the, the guy will say essentially, if you can't reload as fast as this guy in this movie, you shouldn't be here. Um, but yeah, the, the cool thing about the shootout is, I mean, there's a couple of cool things. One is they use the actual wild sound on the location, which was rare for films to do because the, according to Michael Mann, the echoes of the sounds, because they were using full load blanks every take.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  You can hear it bouncing off the buildings and everything.

• 1:16:42Speaker 05

  Exactly. And they'd have reports that would last for eight seconds, like for individual shots, because it was just reverberating off of different buildings. And they would use like a thousand rounds per take. And Michael was also annoyed by previous films with how inaccurate the bullet hits were. So they took a bunch of cars and actually shot them up on a range. And then brought them to the location and had the prop department fill in and paint over all of the cars to make it look seamless. And they'd add the squibs underneath this clay that would pop out. So it would reveal real bullet hole damage on these cars. And then of course, every take, they shoot a thousand rounds and they blow all these holes off of these cars. They have to refill them every single time.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  Oh, that's cool as fuck. I know about that. That's why it looks so neat. Okay. Practical effects, baby.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  I love practical effects so much.

• 1:17:29Speaker 05

  Also, it's so funny because in the original version of the bonus features, there's a bunch of footage of De Niro, Kilmer and, uh, Al Pacino all on

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  a shooting range, doing training with live rounds, like over and over and over again, kind of like John Wick. And in the newer versions of the Blu-ray, that's not in there. Because they like essentially don't want to publicize nowadays that they actually were using real guns.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  Oh, they touched guns?

• 1:17:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  Oh, no. By the way, he has a video on all of this on his channel, Silver Retention.

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I take the opportunity.

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  Been doing a lot of breakdowns of films and stuff.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  He's just been doing a lot of breakdowns, really.

• 1:18:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  Just, you know, I find him sobbing in the night.

• 1:18:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:08Speaker 03

  In, in my basement, for some reason, we don't live together.

• 1:18:10Speaker 05

  I got, I can't do mushrooms anymore.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  I love.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  Anymore, he says.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  There was, there was an incident. There were two incidents, actually.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Three incidents?

• 1:18:20Speaker 05

  That's why it's really concerning.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Price?

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  It did.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:18:26Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:18:27Speaker 03

  That may, I figure you might as well talk the story now.

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  YouTube channel, real quick? Silver Retention.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Silver Retention.

• 1:18:31Speaker 05

  It's, it's a play on words, because it's, there's, um, there's an actual chemical process when developing analog film that's called Silver Retention that was used for, uh, David Fincher's Seven.

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  What's the other thing?

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  Uh, the other. So there's a couple of things. Yeah, yeah. Well, the other thing is just the idea of like, you know, you watch a silver screen and you're retaining the information from it. So.

• 1:18:51Speaker 03

  I thought this was like a No Nut November sort of situation.

• 1:18:53Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 1:18:55Speaker 03

  I do like that.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  You know what? I need you to explain that one.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  Silver retention?

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, how that applies to No Nut November.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Is your silver?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Retention.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  Yes, that's.

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  Thirty-one days, man.

• 1:19:10Speaker 03

  Thirty-one fucking days.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  It won't be by the time this goes out.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  No, by the time this goes out, we've probably got like two weeks.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Exactly. You know, there's not enough time for it to matter.

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  Oh, you'd be surprised.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  Speaking of the, the sounds that you were talking about.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  The Reverberation, you've helped with some sounds and some stuff, right? Can we talk about that?

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  I think we can. Um, yeah, we were doing some of the helping, not that we were doing it, but we were helping out with the people who were uh, doing these sounds for Call of Duty.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  Oh, no way.

• 1:19:36Speaker 03

  So like the new, that was really

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Stop doing that.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  Very Wayne's World.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  This is the other day too.

• 1:19:42Speaker 05

  This is a pro and con of starting a business with your best friend that you've known since high school, where you spent a lot of time hanging out and then all of a sudden you now hang out and you run a business together. And when you also share the same name, there's a lot of things that just start to kind of

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  Start.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  I see him almost as much as

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  Oh, that was from the beginning.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. You fuck almost as much too.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  It's harder now with the business hours getting in the way.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  You know, the same joke, but over here.

• 1:20:06Speaker 05

  Once we hired employees, it became really, you know,

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  I became Catholic and now I gotta tell my priest everything I do.

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  Hmm, that's awkward.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Anglican Catholic.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  Surprisingly, him getting married wasn't a speed bump like you would imagine.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, what was the woman running the church in Canterbury? Uh, just kidding, we're not in communion with them.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  What happened?

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, my church is not in communion with Canterbury or Rome, even though we're Anglican Catholics.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  Hmm. How, what's the delineation there? Cause I was asking this the other night, cause I wasn't sure. Uh, Connor's like our resident Catholic. So I was wondering like, is there a difference between like Catholic and Roman Catholic? And it sounds like a stupid question.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  So we, we would say yes. He would probably say that if you're not Roman Catholic, you're not Catholic.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  We would say that if you're part of an apostolic church, you're Catholic.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Which, okay. So like an Anglican church, what's the, or Anglican Catholic?

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, we broke off of the Anglican church, well, the Episcopalian church technically, uh, back in the 1970s because they were like, hey, what if we ordained women? And we were like, hey, what if we didn't? Um, and I think it is, I can't explain it. Anybody who asks me, I'll, I'll receive questions from people. They're like, well, you know, how, why, why shouldn't women be priests? Why can't women be priests? And I'm like, well, I don't know. I, one answer is that Jesus spit, picked 12 men to be his apostles, uh, and, and gave them the power to bind in loose and everything. The other one is that every time churches start ordaining women, everything goes to shit.

• 1:21:32Speaker 05

  You want to elaborate on that?

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  Just like it becomes a completely liberal version of Christianity where everything is permitted and

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  Pride flags in the

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Pride flags in the pulpit, you know?

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  Speaking on, yeah, Talarico.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's where you get Jane's Talarico Christianity, where they're sitting there and you've got some woman calling herself a reverend who doesn't believe in the resurrection. And you're like, okay, you're not Christian anymore. You're, I don't know what you are, but it's not Christian.

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  They're spiritual.

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• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I look at that. I'm like, every time churches begin ordaining women, it goes in that direction. So I might not be able to sit here and give you like a, you know, strong philosophical argument in a few words as to why women shouldn't be priests, but I can look at it and tell you women shouldn't be priests based on the results of making women priests.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  That's also just a wild thing to be able to say that you are a, a priest that rejects the divination of Christ.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Speaker 04

  That's a thing?

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Pastors, priests, depending on the church.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  Connor, you look like you are holding down.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Connor's just like The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of Canterbury did a thing with a Muslim Imam where she was like holding hands with him over some sort of document of love between the churches. We're sitting here like, this is not the Anglicanism I remember. Um, and kind of fighting it, but, uh, at the same time, we're like, hey, we're, we're Protestants, but we're really Catholic. And then the Catholics are like, how dare you?

• 1:24:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, they're not. Because absolutely are not.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, we have all the same sacraments and apostolic succession and the same councils and everything.

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  The entire church was created so that Henry could divorce his wives.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  That's not true. The Anglican church didn't start until the 1560s.

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  I just learned.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Then there was a return to Catholicism under Mary the first, and then she burned a bunch of us at the stake. And then her sister was like, you know what? Protestantism's kind of cool.

• 1:24:56Speaker 03

  This has the same energy.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Her sister was a witch.

• 1:25:01Speaker 04

  I didn't realize, uh, the Vikings, when they were told about Christianity, it was like, yo, that's the God that beats all other gods.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  Metal as hell.

• 1:25:10Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 1:25:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that doesn't stop any of the fucking pagans with the, uh, the, the shitty tattoos that they're like, oh yeah, no, no, we were actually, they were really cool.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. The, the greatest Norse pagan tradition in all of history is converting to Christianity. Um, so

• 1:25:25Speaker 04

  I didn't realize that's how they told them to get them on board. And then the Vikings were like, that is pretty metal.

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:30Speaker 04

  Like our, our god, our god is super god.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I have a god of when it rains on Tuesday mornings.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  It's like, oh yeah, our god is god of all of that shit.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  My god defeated death. So, uh,

• 1:25:44Speaker 04

  They're literally part of it. And they're like, oh, dude, shit.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  The first Norse pagans to convert didn't really quite get it. This is the same with the Franks and most of the like first generation pagan converts is they don't quite get it. They're like, got it. So my gods are real and that dude's just king, right? And the Catholic church was like, good enough. It's close enough. We can work on your kids. Um, and then their kids were like, okay, so my parents had these beliefs in these beings that used to be powerful, but now they're not anymore and Christ is God. And then those people's kids would be like, Christ is Lord. Um, so it took, it usually took about three generations for the, the conversion process to complete itself.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  What was the other, the, the Viking thing? The, uh, the whole like, oh, well, I would have been there at the crucifixion. I would have saved him.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. There's, there's a bunch of Franks and Vikings, really all the Germanic people who are like, yeah, I, me and my boys were there like, you know, my posse would have cut him down from that cross. So we wouldn't have let that happen. It's kind of like Mark Wahlberg.

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  We're all kind of doomed for damnation at that point.

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:47Speaker 03

  I built a time machine and saved Jesus.

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  That was the point.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  Terminator skit, I think I've told you about. Mad TV, it's Terminator goes back to save Jesus and he's annoying Jesus because he keeps saving him. It's like, no, you can't do this dude.

• 1:27:04Speaker 03

  I have to die.

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  If Roman shoulders come up and Terminator's like, boom, blasts all of them. And then it is Terminator at the crucifixion of Christ. And then he looks over to Mary, whoever he's like, don't worry, he'll be back. And it's like, okay, that's a good joke.

• 1:27:20Speaker 03

  That's a good joke.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  That's an old one. You've never seen?

• 1:27:22Speaker 03

  I've never seen that. Glad you brought up though, the Mark, the Mark Wahlberg nine 11.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  Good lord.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  What a, what a statement, dude. No one to keep your mouth shut.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Do you not know about that?

• 1:27:30Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't know this one either.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Oh, God. Oh yeah. He said something along the lines like Mark Wahlberg implied that if he was there on one of those planes during nine 11, uh, that he would have prevented it because quote, there would have been blood all over first class, which like I

• 1:27:46Speaker 05

  Probably his.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, just like the idea that like, yeah. Just, just a wild thing to fucking say.

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  The refrigerator's mating call.

• 1:27:57Speaker 05

  Was this back when he was still Marky Mark? Cause that tracks.

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  Now this is post-Vietnamese era.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  You don't know that he blinded a Vietnamese man?

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:28:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh dude, yeah.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  I do know Matthew Broderick killed somebody in Ireland.

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Went to jail. I didn't know he blinded a Vietnamese guy.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Well, that's why he he's a felon. It's why he can't like be on like the the set of Lone Survivor with a real gun.

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:28:22Speaker 03

  He hate crimed the Vietnamese guy in Boston in the in the eighties.

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  You didn't know that? Yeah, he blinded him like.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, he like cracked him across the one of his like orbital bones with a a pipe, I'm pretty sure.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  You know, with them, it's it's.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  They're already pretty close. He said it, not me.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  I have a Vietnamese friend.

• 1:28:42Speaker 03

  Oh, in that case, everything's.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  They love it when you say that.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  Mikey's gonna love that joke.

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  Dude, that, yeah, he blinded somebody, but he actually said.

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's he basically implied that he would have prevented nine eleven if he was on that plane.

• 1:28:56Speaker 04

  At what?

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  While flexing about being in first class randomly.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, that sounds like such a boomer.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  It was like oh, three.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  Uh, I do have a question. You guys have probably flown more than me. Is there an airline where first class is worth it?

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah, Delta.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Delta, okay. Because we flew American here and we did not fly first class, but we walked past it and it's a slightly bigger seats.

• 1:29:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  For twice the money.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Free drinks, private bathroom.

• 1:29:22Speaker 04

  You gotta learn how to flirt with a gay guy who's.

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I can do that.

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Like I said, I got a dick.

• 1:29:26Speaker 03

  That was so quick.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  I got a dick pic from the Tiger King's third husband. And I wasn't even trying.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  So, what? I said this thirty, forty minutes ago.

• 1:29:34Speaker 03

  I must have been in the bathroom. He's still stuck on the Tiger.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, the Tiger King's husband, third husband, sent me a dick pic once. I did not ask.

• 1:29:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, good for you. This was also before we started like online stuff.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  I need to be clear. This is before Tiger King was on.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  This was before we were doing what we do and before Tiger King aired.

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  Am I the only one that not watched Tiger King?

• 1:29:57Speaker 03

  So why are you friending gay guys on Snapchat?

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Well, so it was.

• 1:30:02Speaker 04

  You have to friend him.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  So it's March of twenty twenty, right? I'm a senior in college. I'm home. I've got nothing to do. I'm on Instagram. There's.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  Not helping.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 03

  Cut to the line. We both made the same face.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  I realize this sounds bad. There's a post from the account Memes R. We've all seen Memes R on Instagram, correct? Hopefully the audience has and they know what I'm talking about.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  I know, yeah.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Anyway, it's a the post is like, and you can you can probably go find this post. It probably still exists. Where they're like, hey, you know, let's all post our Snapchat usernames and, you know, make big Snapchat groups and like, you know.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  Did Kick teach you nothing?

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  No. Kick took, Kick took, nah, taught me all the wrong lessons.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  I'm so confused right now.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, dicks, exactly. Uh, so anyway, I and my my username's the same everywhere. It's the Aiden Maddisons. Everything is that. Um, it has been since I was fifteen.

• 1:30:51Speaker 03

  He branded early.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I branded early.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  So did the Snapchat thing happen when you were fifteen?

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  No, no, I was twenty-two. Um, so I post mine and it's it's the same as my Instagram.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  You posted your dick?

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:02Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  My my Snapchat handle.

• 1:31:05Speaker 04

  This story's.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  I'm thinking, I'm thinking, hot women, hot women are gonna add me on Snapchat and that's gonna be great.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  That's how it goes.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  When you're twenty, when you're twenty-two years old.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  They're gonna send you nudes, bro.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  Holy shit, hot singles in my area?

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I was thinking, you know, it's.

• 1:31:24Speaker 04

  Dude, MILF's wanna fuck right now?

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  Listen, I.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  I gotta get out of here.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  I'll be back. After I quit working at the plasma bank, I didn't have a steady supply of women coming in.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  From San Antonio.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:31:36Speaker 04

  Aiden's like, I hate this so much.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  I post mine. I post.

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  Your wife's gonna love this episode.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  I post my, she knows the story. I post my username and I get a whole bunch of ads, some of which are from hot women. Most are not. Um, apparently I have sort of a twink appearance and my profile is public, so that I guess they looked and they were like, I like what you got.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  I thought I was twink and you were twunk.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Now we are, yeah, but at the time I was much more of a twink.

• 1:32:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  Um, so.

• 1:32:02Speaker 03

  You're all leaner.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  So he adds me and we're chatting back with him. I'm like, yeah, this is just a guy trying to be bros, you know, maybe wants to play Warzone. I don't know. Um, I was big at the time. Uh, and so we're just, you know, kinda talking. I'm sure he probably was flirting, but because I'm a man who doesn't get hit on by men and I've lived with gay guys who never hit on me. Uh, I didn't know what that looks like.

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  Feel like really bad.

• 1:32:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  Um, I just like.

• 1:32:24Speaker 04

  You're like, this dude's really nice.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:27Speaker 04

  Living, living in a house with a gay guy who doesn't wanna fuck you, like, that's bad.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  It was pretty great, honestly. We had a great time. We were great friends.

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  It's like a girl living with a bunch of guys and everybody's just like, yeah.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Listen, so in college, in in order, I lived with a gay guy, or sorry, a bisexual guy, then a gay guy, then someone from Maryland.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  You're not helping. So a gay guy.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  And then, and then a Turk.

• 1:32:52Speaker 04

  Their version of this story is, I lived with a gay guy. No!

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  The one from Maryland was my favorite, even though he does have a crab tattooed on his shoulder.

• 1:33:03Speaker 03

  This has gone so off the fucking rails.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  The gay guy was actually probably my second favorite.

• 1:33:08Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  The bisexual would have been my third favorite. I.

• 1:33:14Speaker 04

  Cause he's less gay?

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  No, no, no, the first guy.

• 1:33:17Speaker 04

  We're just rating them in levels of gay.

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  The first guy wasn't gay at all.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  Homosexual, bisexual.

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  The best part of this is that last time I was here, I asked you guys for a video saying hi to that friend from Maryland and you called him names.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that tracks. Do they start with an F?

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  I'm a big fan of that word.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  So I can't wait for this to come out and I can show it to him. But, um, no, he's actually, he ran for, uh, Maryland Assembly and he unfortunately lost to the guy propped up by Luigi Manigioni's uncle.

• 1:33:48Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, there's a whole backstory there.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, uh, Alex Harland, Maryland, you should have voted for him. He was, he's, he's great. He's beautiful. Anyway, yeah, no, it it definitely went Maryland, gay guy, bisexual guy, Turkish guy.

• 1:34:02Speaker 03

  Why did this guy send you his penis?

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  That's a great question.

• 1:34:06Speaker 03

  That's where, that's why you started telling your story.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  That's a good point. I kinda do that. Um, I'll start telling a story and then I don't really know where I'm going with it.

• 1:34:13Speaker 04

  I'm reading my show notes. I'm like, no, where are we on gay penis question?

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  He asked me, he's like, so you ever like, you know, really, you ever been interested in, you know, maybe like, you know, try and swing for the other team? That's exactly, you know, like, and I was like, to be honest, no. Um.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  I even would have left that on red.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  But like.

• 1:34:33Speaker 04

  Crazy story.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for the offer. Uh.

• 1:34:37Speaker 03

  You wanna play Warzone?

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  So that was kind of the end of the conversation for a while.

• 1:34:43Speaker 03

  For a while.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's.

• 1:34:46Speaker 03

  New picture.

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  No, he literally goes, well, after I said, I think, you know, no, thanks. You know, that's thanks for the offer. That's cool. Um, he's like, would this change your mind? And to be honest.

• 1:34:57Speaker 04

  No!

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  It didn't change my mind, but I I gotta say, that was probably above average.

• 1:35:06Speaker 03

  Warzone, oh. I think you're a gay man.

• 1:35:10Speaker 04

  I would have responded with frowny face. And red and then never replied again. And it just been like, mm.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  I I think I literally.

• 1:35:20Speaker 04

  And I would be like, and I'm deleting my Snapchat now. I'm good.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure I actually did respond, like in my mind, but not over text, obviously with the nice cock, uh, like TikTok sound.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  You're not helping.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Um, but I was like, I'm pretty good. I'm good with this. Uh, I don't need that. Um, but anyway.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  And like, you you sharing the same room in San Antonio or like, what's going on here?

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  Same bed.

• 1:35:44Speaker 03

  What are you talking about?

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  So I send him a, but but here's the thing. I'm sitting there on my, on my, uh, my little beanbag chair in my basement at my parents' place, because it's twenty twenty and I'm.

• 1:35:54Speaker 04

  I like you've been like, okay, this hole is six foot deep.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I'll keep digging. I'll keep digging.

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  How deep is this?

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  So, so I'm sitting there and it's about a month later.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  The stone wall was about that high?

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  It's about a month later and I'm watching Tiger King. And I'm, I'm on like the seventh episode of Tiger King.

• 1:36:11Speaker 03

  You're like, I recognize that cock.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  No, I'm looking at the screen. And I see this guy on a, on a, on an inner tube, floating down a river, and I'm looking at my phone, going through my Snapchat stories, and you guys are gonna judge me for this. I did not unadd him after he sent me the dick pic.

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  No, you went back to it to check.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Well, no, so I'm going through my stories.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  I'm going through my stories and I see, sorry, no, in the show, he's not in the inner tube. In the show, he's on the screen. On my phone, he's on an inner tube. And I'm like, looking up at the screen and I'm looking at my phone. I'm looking up at the screen, looking at my phone. I take a picture of my screen. I send it to him and I'm like, yo, is that you? And he's like, yeah, lol.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  Will you text him?

• 1:36:50Speaker 03

  Oh, you're flirting with this gay guy.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  So here's.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  You're literally flirting.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  This is how I would talk to a woman I wanted to. I would see why you would think that.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  No!

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  I was just very curious. Yo, man, three months, just saw you on TV. I'm like, this is a gay man who has a thing for me and I want information about Tiger King. So I'm I'm gonna play the game. I'm gonna play the game. I'm gonna let him think there's a chance.

• 1:37:17Speaker 04

  Yo, that you.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  While I get information about the Tiger. This is why I'm successful at my job.

• 1:37:23Speaker 03

  Do you remember when your podcast was about gaming?

• 1:37:27Speaker 01

  This is why I'm successful at my jobs. I will do whatever it takes to get the scoop.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  And so I'm sitting there and I'm asking questions. I'm letting him flirt a little bit. Anyway.

• 1:37:36Speaker 03

  Well, I I hate to see what you said to Bigfoot.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  Long story short, we had a lawsuit. Uh, long story short, I ended up in a position, um.

• 1:37:45Speaker 04

  What position?

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  Where, uh.

• 1:37:51Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  I end up in a position where I, uh, I am offered a steak dinner next time I'm in Florida, which is the second weird steak dinner I've been offered. Uh, Richard Spencer also offered me one.

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:38:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I I interviewed Richard Spencer when I was a freshman in college writing for Libertarian Republic and he offered me a steak dinner if I was ever in Dallas, which honestly, we're not that far from Dallas, so maybe I should hit him up.

• 1:38:15Speaker 03

  What other guys are trying to fuck you?

• 1:38:17Speaker 01

  He's just trying to buy me a steak dinner. He's not trying to fuck me.

• 1:38:20Speaker 03

  That's what I tell the girls.

• 1:38:25Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  So, anyway, um.

• 1:38:29Speaker 03

  Oh, you're in town? Let's grab drinks.

• 1:38:32Speaker 05

  On the Appalachian Trail.

• 1:38:35Speaker 04

  You up, question mark?

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  All right, well, I guess.

• 1:38:39Speaker 05

  My ass, as a matter of fact, I am awake.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Dylan passes what you're saying, this.

• 1:38:46Speaker 05

  This is the most off the rails this podcast has gone in a long time.

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  Good.

• 1:38:51Speaker 05

  This is great. No, I'm in, I'm having, I'm crying, dude.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  That's, that's somewhere I'm happy to be, because I also hold the record for longest episode of Pop Culture Crisis. Um, I was guest there, we were on for five hours.

• 1:39:00Speaker 05

  Good lord.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  It's a three to.

• 1:39:02Speaker 03

  He invited me to this guys only club. They were playing a lot of electronic music and nobody was wearing their shirts.

• 1:39:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:39:10Speaker 03

  There was a lot of foam. It was a guys only bar for cool guys only, no.

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  Leather is expensive. If somebody hands you leather, you take it.

• 1:39:17Speaker 04

  Oh, fuck me.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  No, that was the whole problem. I was trying to avoid that. Um.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  I succeeded. He's still on my Snapchat. I could message him right now.

• 1:39:27Speaker 05

  Good God. I say do it.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  I'm on his close friends list on Instagram. I see all of his OnlyFans promos. It's terrible.

• 1:39:35Speaker 03

  Just be like, Ben, Ben, I'm in it. What you up to?

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Call him right now.

• 1:39:38Speaker 03

  Oh, dude, send him a you up text right now.

• 1:39:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it'd be like, you up, question mark. That's it.

• 1:39:42Speaker 03

  Was just talking about you.

• 1:39:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, just like that.

• 1:39:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm just thinking of what I would text the girl. I'm trying to fuck.

• 1:39:50Speaker 04

  Was just talking about you. Ha ha.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Put a heart, put a heart.

• 1:39:55Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  Do a wink, kissy face. Do a wink. But you gotta do the like.

• 1:40:01Speaker 04

  The wink makes it super.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, the not too sexual wink. There's two wink emojis and we wanna bum.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  No, no, here we go. I'm not kidding. This is the only thing I have saved from this conversation is me posting something about like where I had to drive to. It was Shippensburg, Pennsylvania. Um, in like July of 2020, I say, where the hell am I being paid to go as I'm driving through like farmland? And he responds, my bed.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  That's the only thing I have saved here.

• 1:40:26Speaker 05

  How deep is this?

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  I replied, bra.

• 1:40:29Speaker 05

  You, this is deeper than I've ever heard.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  You would never have to get waterboarded.

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  You're texting this gay guy like I text a woman.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  If I ever run for office. What can they say about me that I haven't already said?

• 1:40:43Speaker 05

  What you said.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:40:46Speaker 05

  That's typically how it works.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  Tell me how, tell me how the Democrats spin everything I just said.

• 1:40:51Speaker 04

  I just wanna see how you act. I wanna see how you act.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Brandon's like, I'm telling you from experience, it's not hard.

• 1:40:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, by the way, I just wanna keep saying, cute to the staffer. Um, the staffer that's being paid to watch this, like, yeah.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Do you, it's like having your own FBI agent.

• 1:41:05Speaker 05

  It really is, except they're, they're getting paid way worse.

• 1:41:11Speaker 04

  Well, I was gonna ask, uh, we'll, we'll put it back on the tracks, uh, and what is one of the craziest stories you've had for like the actual?

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  That one, yeah.

• 1:41:20Speaker 04

  More pertaining to like.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  You want me to one up Tiger King's husband's cock?

• 1:41:24Speaker 04

  I was gonna say the four one ones that actually became somewhat true. Guiding it away from that.

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  Let's steer back from you not knowing you're gay.

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  We have the best job on the planet, dude.

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:36Speaker 03

  Best job I've ever had.

• 1:41:37Speaker 01

  The one I, the one I keep coming back to on that is Jordan Greider. Um, Jordan Greider is probably the, the most inexplicable story I've ever come across. Dude disappears while he's trying to, and he was gonna die no matter what happened here, but he decided he was gonna try and spend the winter in northern Minnesota with nothing but a tarp, some like barley, some rice, some beans, uh, a sleeping bag and a hammock.

• 1:42:02Speaker 04

  What made him kick? So this is kinda like the, uh, one, who wrote the book where they went to Alaska?

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  Into the wild.

• 1:42:08Speaker 04

  Into the wild.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  We've been to the replica of his, uh, bus.

• 1:42:11Speaker 05

  Dude, that story annoyed me so much when I watched that movie for the first time.

• 1:42:15Speaker 03

  That was where that, that kid went out and was eating plants and shit, right?

• 1:42:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, and he, he got it wrong. Like, the only reason he died is because he got it wrong, because he took no one's advice. Like, the, the whole story is essentially him going through a series of like male role models that are all telling him, hey, you're going to Alaska by yourself is not a good idea. You're like 18, like you don't know what you're doing. And he's like, ah, it's adventure, it's life. And like, the whole story is supposed to be this idea of like exploration and, you know, the, the last frontier and, you know, enjoying just being alive. But in the end, like literally, he has a book of berries he shouldn't eat and he like misidentified it. And he like turns three pages and realizes that he ate something that will literally kill him slowly.

• 1:42:59Speaker 03

  It's weird reading the diaries, because you're like, this dude knew he was dying and he's so right and shit.

• 1:43:04Speaker 05

  Well, and the worst thing is too, is the berries that he ate were fat soluble, like the, the essential poison element in it. So as he started trying to make things work while eating them, he was starting to get ill. But then because he was losing weight from not eating, he progressively got worse and worse. And like, if he had been capable of, you know, like properly like curing meat or like procuring any other food, he probably would have lived.

• 1:43:31Speaker 04

  Cause he did kill like an elk or something big and then he just didn't know how to destroy the meat and he.

• 1:43:36Speaker 05

  Exactly. He tried to smoke it and failed. And it's like, if he had done any preparation whatsoever before he went out there, he probably would still be alive.

• 1:43:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, fuck it.

• 1:43:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, uh, just, you know, uh, we'll, we'll make it work.

• 1:43:47Speaker 04

  Especially Alaska of all areas.

• 1:43:49Speaker 05

  Famously, very easy to survive in.

• 1:43:51Speaker 04

  Fucking wild to do that one and be like, this is my first trip. I'm gonna fucking figure this shit.

• 1:43:55Speaker 05

  I will say, the one thing that really surprised me when we went to Alaska with, for the first time was the fucking mosquitoes. Holy shit. I didn't expect it to. I was like, oh, we're in Alaska. Why would there be mosquitoes?

• 1:44:04Speaker 04

  Cold.

• 1:44:04Speaker 05

  Two things. One, they're huge as fuck. And two, you know how when you're sitting by a campfire, mosquitoes usually stay away? Yeah, opposite in Alaska. They swarm the fire because.

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  To be fair, in, in that area, that's the only place the people are.

• 1:44:16Speaker 05

  That's the thing is, it's the people and it's, um, you know, like animals have heat. So to them, that's food. So we were at the brewery. It's like 49th State Brewing or whatever, that has the replica of the bus of, uh, what is his name? I can't remember his name. Uh, Chris McCandless. And they have these fire pits outside and no one's sitting by them. I'm like, that's kinda weird. It seems kinda chill. And then I look at what the smoke is and it's not smoke. It's just giant mosquitoes. Swarming above the fire. Yeah, it's.

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  That, yeah.

• 1:44:43Speaker 05

  Horrible.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  Cause normally the smoke keeps them away.

• 1:44:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  Like, that's why, like, I don't know. You know, campfire, citronella candles, whole nine yards. Like, that's, that's their whole thing. Fucking South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, we just light a fire to keep them away. Yeah, that's wild, dude.

• 1:44:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, Alaska mosquitoes, totally different breed.

• 1:44:58Speaker 04

  It just dry, oh my God. Yeah, I think, did you have to read it in high school?

• 1:45:03Speaker 03

  I did, yeah.

• 1:45:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:45:04Speaker 03

  But like every, every SF guy that I know, like growing up, like he, they, they all retired to Alaska. Like, all those guys are just like drawn to that place.

• 1:45:11Speaker 05

  Oh, when you go there, it's like, oh, I see why people live here, because it's fucking gorgeous. When I was growing up, my buddy and I, we watched this old VHS. Um, the guy's name was Dick Perenike, I think his name was. And he had retired from some job. I don't know what it was, but he was in his like seventies. And he went up in Alaska and found this, I think it's Twin Lakes. Completely like hundreds of miles from where anybody is. He had to be flown in on a like pontoon plane or whatever they're called. And he was just by himself for like over a decade. And he built like a cabin and a food store. And he brought a camera and he would have, uh, once a month, a plane would give him some supplies. But he just recorded his life.

• 1:45:54Speaker 04

  He documented the whole thing, right?

• 1:45:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Cause there's a, a series of little documentaries of just his personal, like 16 millimeter recordings of him just year after year, living in this completely isolated area of Alaska alone.

• 1:46:06Speaker 04

  He built a log cabin, right?

• 1:46:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's still there.

• 1:46:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, that dude, if you've not watched that, this dude just went out there to live and then documented his entire life and it is building a big ass cap, like log cabin.

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  Keep in mind, he's in, he's in his seventies and he's doing all of this shit. And he's just like, and I don't know if he narrated it or somebody else narrates it, but they read his diaries over all of the footage of him doing all this stuff. And he'll like just build this cabin by himself. He'll go out like hunting and like, you know, like trekking a sled of a moose back in like three feet of snow at like 70 something years old, just by himself. He was like Les Stroud before Les Stroud was born.

• 1:46:45Speaker 04

  Really cool. I've watched some of those. It's amazing, because that dude, again, at that age, and you're like, holy shit, homie just did this 40 years before the internet. It's literally, it feels like a YouTube channel. It's just in the seventies, eighties, whenever he did it.

• 1:46:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, the outdoor, what was the?

• 1:47:02Speaker 05

  Outdoor Boys.

• 1:47:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, Outdoor Boys, he's great.

• 1:47:04Speaker 05

  And I think he was interviewed and they asked him like, so why did you do this? And he was just like, I just got bored. Like, I just wanted to go be alone for a while.

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  Dude, if I like wasn't into my wife.

• 1:47:13Speaker 03

  Dudes.

• 1:47:23Speaker 05

  That was a very unfortunate pause for you.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  Your reaction is just like.

• 1:47:31Speaker 03

  If you weren't into guys from Oklahoma.

• 1:47:33Speaker 05

  Alright, um, how'd you know he's from Oklahoma?

• 1:47:36Speaker 03

  That's where Tiger King takes place.

• 1:47:37Speaker 05

  Okay, that's where, um.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  I thought it was Florida.

• 1:47:40Speaker 05

  I thought it was Florida too.

• 1:47:41Speaker 03

  No, that's where.

• 1:47:41Speaker 05

  You know, you're right, it's Oklahoma. Yeah, bitch Carol Baskin.

• 1:47:45Speaker 03

  You're pretty close to Oklahoma too, you just drove up there.

• 1:47:47Speaker 01

  Also, I just realized that like, if you had normal length legs, you'd be a very tall man.

• 1:47:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, we've been over this many times.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  I just never really clicked forward before, yeah.

• 1:47:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, divert, divert harder.

• 1:47:57Speaker 01

  Be large.

• 1:47:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I'm like.

• 1:47:59Speaker 04

  Handsome specimen.

• 1:48:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, this is something we've discovered, I was sitting next to, uh, two of our buddies who were six, five and six, six, and sitting next to them, like, I'm right in between them. But for whatever reason, I just have corgi legs, um, because in actuality, I'm five, six, but for whatever reason, torso wise, I have the torso of somebody who's like six, five.

• 1:48:20Speaker 03

  Built like the meme of the Cholo.

• 1:48:21Speaker 05

  Literally, yeah.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:23Speaker 03

  It's impressive.

• 1:48:25Speaker 05

  It's what gave me the dumpy.

• 1:48:25Speaker 03

  Sitting down, we are the same height.

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, right?

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  He's got height on him.

• 1:48:29Speaker 02

  Not me.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  I'm three inches taller than this man.

• 1:48:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:48:35Speaker 03

  It's weird.

• 1:48:36Speaker 04

  Do you have short arms too?

• 1:48:38Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:48:40Speaker 01

  It looks like you have never checked.

• 1:48:43Speaker 05

  I got a big head and little arms.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:48:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so short arms and short legs.

• 1:48:48Speaker 03

  Watch out there.

• 1:48:49Speaker 05

  Normal size. So I guess I would be, I guess I would be a pretty good candidate for that Russian leg extension surgery, but that feels really dumb.

• 1:48:58Speaker 04

  Super dumb.

• 1:48:59Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:48:59Speaker 01

  Don't knock it till you try it.

• 1:49:01Speaker 05

  I was gonna say gay, but I didn't.

• 1:49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, I heard.

• 1:49:03Speaker 05

  Bring a, uh.

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  You don't want to insult me?

• 1:49:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  I see how this.

• 1:49:05Speaker 04

  Okay, going back to the, uh, not Alaska, but Minnesota.

• 1:49:10Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:49:12Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 1:49:13Speaker 05

  No, because I have five uses.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  I have five uses of the big pass courtesy of Steven's wife, um.

• 1:49:19Speaker 04

  The big pass.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  The big pass, you know, the pass. But yeah, Jordan Grider, as I was saying, uh, decided to go up into the woods in the Boundary Waters of Minnesota in 2018 and set up camp in a really stupid way and, uh, he vanishes a couple of days later, he stops communicating with his family, they go out, they send the Rangers out to look for him, they can't find him because he's off the trail in a remote part of the camp, he then decides, they then decide to wait until the snow melts. They still can't find him, eventually they do manage to just stumble across his campsite and inside they discover not Jordan Grider, but arterial spray on the inside of the tent.

• 1:49:56Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Um, they also find that his sleeping bag and hammock are soaked in blood, uh, but there's no body.

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  In, in the hammock, there's also no signs of predation, there's no claw marks, there's no teeth marks.

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  Bigfoot.

• 1:50:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:12Speaker 03

  A pack.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  Well, so by the end of the story, you're kind of like, uh, Bigfoot, I guess, because there's no claw marks, no signs of predation, all of the conservationists, the ecologists, all of the people they bring in from the, like, the naturalist side of things are like, this doesn't look like a bear attack, this doesn't look like a wolf attack, this doesn't look like a mountain lion attack, like, it's too clean. You know, the, the sleeping bag should be ripped to shreds if he was in the sleeping bag, the hammock should be ripped up, the, the tarp maybe should have rips in it, they should have gone for the other food in the tent, like, this doesn't make any sense and the, the one guy even says, he's like, it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a wolf, it wasn't a wendigo, and you're like, now why would you say that?

• 1:50:52Speaker 03

  It's a human.

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  Now, why would you say it wasn't a wendigo?

• 1:50:54Speaker 03

  Also, why, why are you the fucking expert on wendigos?

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Who is, I'm the expert on wendigos, like.

• 1:50:59Speaker 03

  Clearly, this wasn't that, like, so you have experience with wendigo cases?

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  So, so are you telling me that this has come up before, like, that people have been suggesting this was a wendigo before?

• 1:51:08Speaker 05

  I'm gonna bet it has.

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  Um, how many times are there suspected wendigo killings going on in Minnesota? Um, but the more I looked at it, the more I was like, there is literally nothing else that makes sense.

• 1:51:20Speaker 04

  What a human.

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  This was a human.

• 1:51:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Which wendigos are human, um, you know, that's like, that's another one of those things where it's like.

• 1:51:25Speaker 05

  You want to give the definition?

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, so a wendigo is somebody who has consumed human flesh either out of desperation, like, killed a human and consumed their flesh either out of desperation or greed.

• 1:51:37Speaker 04

  Or just a regular human.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  In, historically, yes.

• 1:51:41Speaker 03

  So like, Donner, Donner Party was full of wendigos.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Technically, yeah.

• 1:51:44Speaker 05

  Well, one primary one.

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  But there is one guy in that group who it does seem like he got wendigo psychosis, which is an actual diagnosable disorder.

• 1:51:50Speaker 03

  Well, was in that, like, isn't there like an enzyme in your brain?

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  Preeons. There is also a prion disease, he did not have it. This guy from the Donner Party, his whole thing was he had started eating people and the reason people have suggested he might have had wendigo psychosis is because when they found him, he was sitting next to an uncovered frozen ox that was edible and he was instead eating human brains.

• 1:52:15Speaker 03

  So you're saying wendigo psychosis like it's a real observable medical disease?

• 1:52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:52:19Speaker 01

  Oh, wendigo psychosis is, yeah.

• 1:52:21Speaker 03

  No shit, I've never heard of that.

• 1:52:23Speaker 02

  It's a type of cultural psychosis. It's when you have a belief that's so embedded in your culture that you, it's like the placebo effect, kind of, like, you're so, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're like, you believe in your heart of hearts that if you consume human flesh, you become a wendigo, so these people, because it's so imbued in them culturally, if you consume human flesh, you become a wendigo.

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  So it's like cannibalistic sugar pills.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  It's like a self fulfilling prophecy, basically, but there, and there's instances where like, uh, there was this guy, um, Jack. It'll come to me eventually, um, he was a, a Native American man who was a member of, I think, the Chippewa, uh, and I think like 1906, the Canadian government gets word that this guy has been killing people. And so they go up and they encounter him and they're like, have you been killing people? And he's like, yes, I have, and they're like, well, you gotta come with us, and he's like, why? And they're like, because you live under Canadian law, and his whole tribe goes, what? Because nobody had ever told them they lived under Canadian law now, so they're still operating under their old tribal legal system in which if somebody

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  is concerned they're going to become a wendigo and their family goes to the local wendigo killer and says, hey, my husband, my father, whatever, he's, he's going to become a wendigo, I need you to do something about it, uh, they would go and they would euthanize the person. And so the thing is, this is usually only in circumstances where somebody is already deeply psychotic or very ill or, you know, they've, they've committed an act of cannibalism or something. Like, there are a bunch of different reasons why you might contact your local wendigo killer, but it was literally kind of like a vampire slayer. Like, you know, there was the idea that there's, there was this thing that was gonna happen and if you didn't kill the person, they would turn into something, so you'd have older men

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  who are going senile, who are convinced they're becoming a wendigo, who will call the local wendigo killer who will come and euthanize them.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  So Canada's been practicing.

• 1:54:16Speaker 03

  Otherwise, they'll kill their kids with exercise bands.

• 1:54:18Speaker 05

  The Canadian medical system currently cultural appropriation.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  Ironically, the Canadian, the Canadian government ended up killing this man, well, not really, they sentenced him to death and then during his appeal, he ended up dying in prison. Uh, but they end up basically killing the guy because you can't just kill people because, you know, they're dying and they want to be out of their misery. And now Canada's like, we're gonna kill infants because they're in pain, um, so. You know, it's, the, the, everything goes around, comes around, um, but yeah, so if you look at it, it's like with Jordan Grider's situation, there's nothing that makes sense other than a human doing this, but there's also no explanation for why a human would do this.

• 1:54:55Speaker 04

  So the way that no one, yeah, like, hu- humans do crazy shit.

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  There was nothing to steal from him, he had his keys to his car too, they were like.

• 1:55:01Speaker 05

  Wasn't there like a theory that he got into like a bar fight before he went out there or something?

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  There was a theory that he got into a bar fight, the, the most popular theory was that.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  Was there actually like evidence behind that or?

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 1:55:09Speaker 05

  It was like hearsay.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  It was basically that he might have pissed somebody off in the nearest town, which is half an hour away, um, there was one theory that he was shaving with a, uh, pocket knife, which is something he was apparently known to do.

• 1:55:19Speaker 03

  And then got raptured?

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  And that he accidentally, that he then accidentally. No, here's my here, there, now.

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:55:29Speaker 04

  This guy getting mixed up.

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:55:32Speaker 04

  I didn't even think about that.

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  This is like the leading theory, this is the leading theory is that he's shaving with his pocket knife, accidentally slices his carotid and then takes the time to take his pocket knife over to the local pond, clean it off, put it back in its sheath, then walk back over somewhere else and bleed out in the snow.

• 1:55:48Speaker 04

  That's what I do when I'm bleeding, I'm like, shit.

• 1:55:50Speaker 03

  Nick myself.

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  All of his knives were found clean and in their sheath.

• 1:55:54Speaker 04

  I'm making a mess.

• 1:55:55Speaker 01

  Yuck. All of his knives are found clean and in their sheaths and everybody, somebody's like, maybe he cut himself shaving with.

• 1:56:02Speaker 04

  They never found his body though, like?

• 1:56:04Speaker 01

  Well, they found what was left of it, all three pieces.

• 1:56:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, what was that fucking arm gesture?

• 1:56:09Speaker 04

  Him walking, if I'm bleeding and I walk out, I'm gonna be like, this shit, where's the wendigo?

• 1:56:15Speaker 01

  He's at the YMCA.

• 1:56:16Speaker 03

  They never found?

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  He lies out here walking on sunshine.

• 1:56:19Speaker 04

  Think, you're bleeding, everybody's like, I gotta go somewhere.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  When I'm bleeding out from my neck, I raise my hands in the air.

• 1:56:27Speaker 04

  I do.

• 1:56:28Speaker 01

  Let's tell it.

• 1:56:28Speaker 05

  Two men.

• 1:56:31Speaker 04

  They, okay, so how far from his tent was he found though? Or body parts?

• 1:56:36Speaker 01

  I'm anywhere within twenty to forty feet.

• 1:56:38Speaker 05

  Last thing is, is like, his body parts are found within twenty to forty feet of the tent, but not in the same place.

• 1:56:43Speaker 03

  His body parts?

• 1:56:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:56:44Speaker 03

  Okay, well, that changes.

• 1:56:45Speaker 04

  Was he dismembered?

• 1:56:46Speaker 05

  Gone bones.

• 1:56:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. I didn't know.

• 1:56:47Speaker 04

  That makes it a lot harder. It's like an animal attack, but then you see the clean spray and you're like, not an animal attack. I can see why that would maybe cause some issues.

• 1:56:54Speaker 01

  Now, animal scavenging of the body once he was dead.

• 1:56:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:56:57Speaker 01

  That's most likely. That's probably, the question is, how the fuck did he die? Because it's, again, it's not an animal attack. It doesn't seem self inflicted and there's no reason for anybody to kill him. He wasn't, he was, he didn't have any wealth. He didn't have anything with him. He had a gun, but the gun was left behind.

• 1:57:14Speaker 04

  Camping alone, too.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's camping alone. You're not gonna. He didn't tell anybody where he went.

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  It, like, most likely, too, if he had a gun, he's not gonna [bleep] himself with a knife.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. It just, nothing about it makes sense. Aside from being another person, you ask yourself, well, why would another person do this? The only reason you can really come up with is just wanton malice, you know? In which case, you're kind of looking at a Wendigo, in a sense, but not necessarily the supernatural version.

• 1:57:39Speaker 03

  Jump to is, uh.

• 1:57:40Speaker 05

  Well, because the other thing is, like, what serial killers is just gonna be out in the middle of the woods, being like, I can't wait to find my next victim in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:57:46Speaker 04

  One who wants to get away with it?

• 1:57:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. We have a, we have a viewer who lives in this area and he was like, yeah, there's fucking nothing there.

• 1:57:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:52Speaker 04

  How far away is, far removed is this from, like, a city? Or how far do you have to march?

• 1:57:57Speaker 01

  Thirty miles.

• 1:57:58Speaker 04

  Jesus, okay, that's a random occurrence, though.

• 1:58:01Speaker 01

  When we say city, we're talking about a town of six thousand people.

• 1:58:04Speaker 04

  Because I still go towards a human. It's just the likelihood of stumbling upon a random dude out in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:58:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, unless they tracked him.

• 1:58:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and what are the chances? Not only that there's a random person out there who happens to run into this guy, but also this person is the one in a thousand people who's a serial killer.

• 1:58:20Speaker 03

  So far, I'm going, my, my, my theory right now is careful there.

• 1:58:25Speaker 05

  Mine, mine is careful mountain lion, so I'm right there.

• 1:58:27Speaker 03

  Very delicate mountain lion was my theory.

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  There's no tears in anything, so.

• 1:58:32Speaker 04

  Ha.

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  Uh, Missing Enigma, who you guys should definitely have on the show at some point, he's great, his name's Nick. Um, he, uh, he did a video on it first, then I waited like six months and did one on it, too. Um, both of them did phenomenally well, which is awesome. It's great when you get to do the same story as another channel you really respect and both of you get to profit off of it. That's awesome.

• 1:58:49Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, we've collaborated with him on a couple of things.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  On a couple of things.

• 1:58:52Speaker 05

  Really good.

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  He's great on the Dennis Martin stuff, too. He knows a lot about that.

• 1:58:55Speaker 05

  Uh, drawings and animations.

• 1:58:57Speaker 03

  That being said, one Nick on this podcast is probably too much.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  Well, as long as he's, Nick's not currently here.

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  Oh, that's true, we got two Aiden's.

• 1:59:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so. Two Aiden's is enough.

• 1:59:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, two Aiden's twice.

• 1:59:07Speaker 01

  We get you a third if you want. There's more.

• 1:59:09Speaker 05

  I guarantee you could on your Snapchat.

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  Probably do have an Aiden on my Snapchat.

• 1:59:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, all right.

• 1:59:17Speaker 05

  It's never going away.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  No, it's not, you know, it's, I, I'm very popular amongst the gays. I've known this a long time.

• 1:59:24Speaker 01

  I got a lot of really thirsty DMs when I first popped off on TikTok.

• 1:59:28Speaker 05

  You keep opening the door.

• 1:59:29Speaker 03

  This is why I'm like, I'm saying, like, this, he would never have to be waterboarded.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  And they all were attractive, but I.

• 1:59:34Speaker 04

  Sure they were.

• 1:59:35Speaker 01

  It was mostly men.

• 1:59:36Speaker 05

  Why'd you go into the tone accent there for a second?

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  I didn't realize I did.

• 1:59:40Speaker 05

  You did?

• 1:59:41Speaker 03

  We just kind of like imply something and you just like fucking slam open that door and run through it.

• 1:59:46Speaker 01

  You know what? I'm good at that.

• 1:59:47Speaker 04

  It's the Kool-Aid man.

• 1:59:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:56Speaker 03

  Good God.

• 1:59:57Speaker 01

  You know, I thought that now that I was married, maybe I could make some jokes, but apparently not.

• 2:00:01Speaker 04

  You're just gonna live with it.

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  Doesn't help that I forgot to wear my ring.

• 2:00:05Speaker 04

  Well.

• 2:00:05Speaker 03

  You forgot?

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  I was fixing, okay, I realize this is gonna sound even more gay. I was fixing my hair and I took off my ring to do it, uh, and I forgot to put it back on.

• 2:00:18Speaker 04

  Honey, I forgot, I swear.

• 2:00:21Speaker 03

  I was going out to hang out with all these dudes.

• 2:00:24Speaker 05

  You wanna borrow mine?

• 2:00:25Speaker 01

  Tomorrow night, what?

• 2:00:26Speaker 05

  So, do you wanna borrow mine?

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  Will it fit?

• 2:00:27Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 2:00:28Speaker 01

  Let's try it.

• 2:00:29Speaker 05

  I'm a little worried once you put it on, it's not gonna come off.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  Is it gay for me to take your ring and put it on?

• 2:00:33Speaker 04

  Now you're my wife, you're married. Now you're married.

• 2:00:35Speaker 01

  I think your fingers might be smaller than mine.

• 2:00:37Speaker 05

  I think you're right.

• 2:00:39Speaker 04

  Where, where do the people on the internet find you both?

• 2:00:42Speaker 01

  Grinder.

• 2:00:45Speaker 05

  That's just him.

• 2:00:46Speaker 01

  The Pulse nightclub in Orlando.

• 2:00:48Speaker 04

  This is point.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  Stonewall, Stonewall Inn. Um, no, uh, we are, you can find us mainly on The Lore Lodge here on YouTube, uh, or Pepperbox, or wherever you're at, watching this.

• 2:00:59Speaker 05

  Sixteen channels, just look up our names.

• 2:01:01Speaker 01

  That's the big one. Um, also History Unhinged, which is basically, we took this format and went, what if we did that with history specifically? Uh, so that's what that is. And, uh, The Lore Labs, which is our show that we do together, it's a discussion format. Sometimes we have guests. Am I forgetting anything?

• 2:01:16Speaker 05

  I do Silver Recension, where I talk about movies.

• 2:01:18Speaker 03

  What's your, uh, what's your Snapchat? Username again?

• 2:01:21Speaker 01

  The Aiden Mattis.

• 2:01:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, you know what to do. See, I'm terrified now.

• 2:01:28Speaker 04

  Our audience, I'd be like.

• 2:01:30Speaker 05

  You're gonna get so many that are big, gonna be people being like, how does it compare to his?

• 2:01:33Speaker 01

  Next time we're down here, I'm gonna rate all of them.

• 2:01:35Speaker 05

  Oh?

• 2:01:36Speaker 03

  Dick rate.

• 2:01:37Speaker 01

  With your username attached.

• 2:01:42Speaker 05

  You're gonna get more now.

• 2:01:43Speaker 01

  Just a warning, just a warning, it's gonna happen.

• 2:01:45Speaker 05

  What does first prize get?

• 2:01:47Speaker 03

  Uh, arrested.

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  Signed picture of my face. I don't wanna know what you do with it.

• 2:01:56Speaker 04

  Tribute.

• 2:01:57Speaker 01

  Uh, I was gonna say something else about one of our, uh, Weird Bible. Yeah, we have a Christianity show.

• 2:02:04Speaker 03

  Weird Bible?

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  Yep, the Weird Bible Podcast. Isaiah, uh, Wendigoon used to be on it, then he got busy.

• 2:02:11Speaker 05

  Well, we also barely.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  He's got a couple things going on.

• 2:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  Honestly, he's got a few things, a few irons in the fire or something.

• 2:02:16Speaker 05

  Give some context about what the purpose of the show is, is that we generally will talk about stories from the Bible that people don't really consider in depth, like, for example, the story of, uh, Samson.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole idea is the stories you heard in Sunday School that you didn't really think about at the time, but now you look back on them and you're like, what the [bleep] was that?

• 2:02:32Speaker 03

  That is, that is my favorite line from, uh, from like, well, one of my favorite lines from like a biblical story is the, the Samson story, where like, you, you just realize like, oh, the writer of this is very cheeky.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:41Speaker 03

  Where it's just like, oh, no, the, with the jawbone of an ass, I've killed ten thousand men with a jawbone of an ass, I've made asses of them.

• 2:02:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:02:48Speaker 03

  I see what you did there.

• 2:02:49Speaker 05

  Also, are you guys familiar with the giant wheel of, uh, burning foxes?

• 2:02:53Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:02:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, at one point, Samson ties a whole bunch of foxes together by the tails and just like.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  Lights them on fire.

• 2:02:57Speaker 01

  Lights them on fire and rolls them through a farmer's fields. And the best part is that the next day, the farmer comes out and he goes, who hath done this?

• 2:03:05Speaker 05

  That is in the Bible.

• 2:03:06Speaker 03

  It's in King James. Yeah, he comes out of his head, he's like, what the fuck?

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Same reaction.

• 2:03:16Speaker 05

  Exactly, that's exactly what it is, they're like. That's the thing, is like, all these stories actually have like surprising amounts of humor, like, uh, pity for the gourd.

• 2:03:24Speaker 01

  Pity, oh, yeah, the Jonah sitting there after he like goes to Nineveh and preaches and he's like, sitting up on the hill, waiting for God to smite Nineveh for its wickedness and God isn't smiting it and God's like, well, if you're gonna be here a while, I'll grow this plant next to you. And he grows up a, a gourd and, uh, he, Jonah's sitting under it and then God's like, all right, dude, you. Enough, like, you've been here a while and he makes the gourd wither to basically be like, hey, it's, it's time to move on. And Jonah gets upset and God's like, why are you angry over the plant?

• 2:03:55Speaker 05

  He's literally, because Jonah's sitting there.

• 2:03:57Speaker 01

  Right for you to have pity for the gourd?

• 2:03:59Speaker 05

  Well, like, in the text, Jonah has not wanted to go to this town because he's worried he, he's gonna like get killed because they're all horrible people. And God's like, just do it, dude. And he goes and he's like, hey, uh, God told me you guys should repent and you'll be saved. And the entire city is like, we thought he gave up on us, that's crazy. And so they all like start becoming like better people and Jonah goes up on the hill and he's like, just smite them, come on, I'm here, I wanna see it. And God's like, they're, they're making changes. Like, why would you want me to do that?

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  This was the whole point.

• 2:04:30Speaker 05

  And Jonah's like angsty as shit, he's just like, no, I wanna see it burn. And God's like, yeah, okay, dude, that wasn't the point. And with the gourd thing, he's like, does thou have pity for the gourd? In the sense of, he's upset that the plant died.

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  Thou doest thy well to have pity for the gourd.

• 2:04:47Speaker 05

  But he's, he's upset that the plant died because he doesn't get shade, but he's sitting there being like, I want you to murder thousands of people. And the whole point is essentially is like, why are you upset about the death of, you know, the plant instead of the people that you want me to smite? Whole point being is like, hey, people can actually change and become better people. Uh, don't just be upset about things that only affect you, think about other people as well.

• 2:05:08Speaker 03

  And it's like, hey, I got swallowed over this.

• 2:05:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Well, and he only got swallowed because he just wouldn't, he was literally trying to flee from his responsibility and then all of the sailors were like, oh, you're upsetting God, bye.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  No, Jonah was like, oh, I'm upsetting God, I'm gonna get off the boat. Like, it was Jonah who's like, this is my fault, I better get off the boat. And then he gets swallowed by a fish.

• 2:05:28Speaker 05

  Yep. And that's the thing, that's why we talk about all these stories, because A, there's details people don't think about and B, he comes at it from the Christian perspective. I take the secular point of view in the sense of like, hey, even if you don't believe in any of this shit, is there anything valuable here?

• 2:05:42Speaker 03

  Still interesting.

• 2:05:43Speaker 05

  And that's the thing, is like, you know, with some of these stories, like, there's a reason they've lasted for thousands of years because there's actually valuable lessons, whether you believe in the, you know, religious elements or spiritual elements or not.

• 2:05:54Speaker 03

  Approach.

• 2:05:55Speaker 05

  Kind of, yeah.

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, there's a, there's also a great section in Daniel, we have an episode on this episode, uh, this, this chapter where Daniel's at this big feast thrown by Balthazar, uh, the, the king of Babylon. And he's like, hey, I had, you know, had this dream and I want you to interpret it for me. And Daniel comes in and he has, uh, the, the way it's headlined in the King James version is that there's God's contribution to the feast, which is the handwriting on the wall, Daniel's contribution to the feast, the pronouncement of doom, Balthazar's contribution to the feast, unrestrained sensuality. And these are some of my favorite headers in the Bible.

• 2:06:36Speaker 03

  I usually just bring cornbread.

• 2:06:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, see, that's.

• 2:06:39Speaker 03

  His wife was famously a whore. The whore of where?

• 2:06:44Speaker 04

  I can't remember, it starts with a B.

• 2:06:47Speaker 05

  There was a town.

• 2:06:48Speaker 01

  I do enjoy when people tell me like, you know, oh, you're, you're being very rude and very insulting, that's un-Christian. I'm like, there's an entire chapter of Matthew where Jesus is just roasting the Pharisees. Like, it's called the woes of the Pharisees and he spends the whole chapter just being like, you are serpent's spawn, you are Satan's children, you don't understand the faith, you're taking money for loans, like, he's just laying into them.

• 2:07:11Speaker 03

  To be fair, people usually say judgment is reserved for who again?

• 2:07:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a fair point.

• 2:07:17Speaker 05

  I'm just following the Lord's example.

• 2:07:21Speaker 01

  Just a devil's advocate here.

• 2:07:25Speaker 04

  God's advocate here.

• 2:07:27Speaker 05

  The Pope.

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  Also, the Pope's holy crusade on AI has been the most like pro-Roman Catholic I've felt in a long time.

• 2:07:36Speaker 03

  Good, we'll bring you back around.

• 2:07:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no. If, listen, if the Pope declares a crusade, I might come back. I might be able to look past all the other stuff.

• 2:07:44Speaker 05

  He just wants to fight.

• 2:07:46Speaker 03

  Been a while, time for the ninth.

• 2:07:48Speaker 04

  Cody, you wanna close us out, you beautiful son of a bitch?

• 2:07:50Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Thank you guys for joining the Unstruck Podcast, how's it going today? By Eli Double Tab, King Trout, Aiden from Lore Lunch, Aiden from Lore Lunch, Brandon Herrera, myself, Donut Operator, thank you so much for being here.

• 2:08:00Speaker 04

  We love you.

• 2:08:01Speaker 03

  It's a fun episode.

• 2:08:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, bye.

• 2:08:03Speaker 03

  Sounds a good time.

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