Haunted with Generation Why Podcast

We teamed up with self proclaimed skeptic, Justin from Generation Why to swap stories that ride the line between true crime and paranormal—and it did not disappoint. Justin brings us the tragic and strange case of Christopher Case, a man who believed he’d been hexed by a witch… and died days later. Then, it’s our turn: we take you inside the Sheraton Gunter Hotel, where Room 636 holds the gruesome mystery of a blood-soaked murder with no body, a suspect who vanished, and a room no maid dares to clean alone. Bonus? Sabrina’s tech crashes mid-intro, proving once again we might be the most haunted podcast out there. Watch the Video Version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello, spooky friends.

• 2:17Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:20Corinne Vien?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. And we're more than two girls, one ghost this week. We also are joined by Justin from Generation Y.

• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We had an amazing conversation where we talked about our beliefs in the paranormal. And then Justin shared this wild story with us that we had never heard of, and I'm shocked we haven't heard of it.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 2:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then we told Justin a story about a murder, a mystery and a haunting at an infamous hotel in San Antonio, Texas. So we're really excited to share this with you. This episode is coming out both on our feed and on the Generation Y feed, but we highly recommend checking out Generation Y wherever you listen to podcasts and we hope you enjoy this episode.

• 3:25Corinne Vien?

  It's very spooky. It's very ominous outside, dark and gray and mysterious.

• 3:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Perfect setting for spooky stories. How are you doing, Justin?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  I'm doing good. It's sunny and probably going to be 80 degrees here today.

• 3:42Corinne Vien?

  Okay, well, fuck you, Dragon.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  You guys have been doing this for a while. I just wanted, like, for my listeners, if they haven't heard of you, if they don't listen to other things, because you know, there's people that either listen to just one podcast or they have 50 that they're subscribed to.

• 4:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Totally.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  So could you guys introduce yourselves real quick? Like, how long you been around? What you guys covered?

• 4:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. So we are, I'm Sabrina, that's Corinne, and we are Two Girls, One Ghost Podcast. And

• 4:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, no. Did Sabrina freeze for you, too?

• 4:16Corinne Vien?

  See? We're the most haunted podcast in America, immediately cursed. We just got done telling you, Justin. We break all equipment, even if we're not in the same room.

• 4:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally as I was saying that we're the most haunted podcasts and people might get haunted, my video just crashed.

• 4:33Corinne Vien?

  Okay, well, you froze before that, Sabrina. You said, "We're Two Girls, One Ghost Podcast", and then you were gone.

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great start. Okay.

• 4:42Corinne Vien?

  Perfect.

• 4:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I was saying that we are the most haunted podcast in America and by listening, you might get haunted, but I guess we might be haunted too. So now I'm going to pass it over to you, Corinne. You tell the rest.

• 4:54Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Well, we've been doing this for eight years, which is pretty wild. Well, we're coming up on eight years and it's a very long time, but I would say, don't let our name confuse you. We're, one, not a porno. And two, we don't only cover ghost stories. We obviously love all of the paranormal, all of the macabre. And so we're really just more of like a mystery spooky podcast where we do researched episodes and figure out kind of like why places are haunted, or we at least attempt to theorize why they're haunted. And then each week, we also have an episode that we title encounters, where we read listener stories of real life paranormal encounters.

• 5:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, we might not be a porno, but we do love covering stories where people have dabbled in some sexual encounters with ghosts.

• 5:48Corinne Vien?

  Have you heard of that, Justin? Have you heard of people having sex with ghosts?

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Um, I have not, but when I grew up, there was a movie called The Entity and it wasn't consensual. It was, you know, horrible, but that movie scared the shit out.

• 6:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's based on a real story.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:08Corinne Vien?

  I remember there was a woman who made the tabloids a few years ago. She was engaged, I think, and her fiance came back.

• 6:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To a human.

• 6:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, to a human. She started having sexual relations with a spirit that lived in her apartment. And her fiance came home one day and like looked up at their apartment windows and saw the shadow of a man in their unit and like ran up to confront them. There was no one there because it was a ghost. So people do canoodle with the spirit world consensually.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  I've listened to your guys' podcasts and you do a very good job. And I've listened to other YouTubers and whatnot and. I am like the biggest skeptic. I have like no, I don't even believe in Epsom salt in the bath actually makes a difference. That's like how skeptical I am.

• 6:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 6:58Speaker 02

  I know.

• 6:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You don't, your muscles have never relaxed with some nice Epsom salt?

• 7:02Speaker 02

  I just think it's hot water and it makes you relax.

• 7:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Okay. But have you had any encounters that you've maybe questioned that have challenged your skepticism?

• 7:13Speaker 02

  I have one encounter at least that I have no explanation for.

• 7:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  My grandfather died when I was, I don't know, in high school and my grandmother continued living on after his death. And I would walk into the room and she'd be talking to somebody and I would be like, were you talking to me? I was in the other room. I didn't hear you. And she'd be like, no, no, no, I was just talking to the TV. I'm like, TV's not on. So didn't know who she was talking to. And I have no fear of the dark, but at night I would hear noises like people walking around. And I lived in the basement for a while in high school of my grandmother's house. Much, much later on, I moved out, whatever. My mom goes on this long trip with my grandmother.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  And they say, can you watch the house while we're gone? So I go there. And the upstairs is where my grandmother lived, you know, master bedroom, hallway, bathroom, whatever. I'm there. I gotta go to the bathroom. So I go to the master bathroom where my grandfather and grandmother spent all their time. My grandmother's name is Ellen. And I go in there, I'm standing there, taking a whiz. And I hear my grandfather's voice say, Ellen, is that you? It wasn't a, I heard a noise. I heard a sound. I heard and recognized his voice asking, Ellen, is that you?

• 8:50Speaker 02

  And I am twenty something years old now, absolutely not a kid. And I pinched off and ran out of that house faster than you could imagine.

• 9:02Corinne Vien?

  There's nothing worse than being like pants down encountering the ghosts.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, and so when you talk about haunted houses and talk about hauntings and stuff, you know, it's like, oh, I'm going to tell you all about this murder that happened and how there's this, you know, little girl from nineteen twenties in a white dress. And everyone thinks about that when they're in the house. And then maybe you see this white thing ran across the room or something. I'm standing there going to the bathroom, not thinking about my grandfather. There was no kind of, I guess, subliminal thought there. And that is my only real, like, I have no explanation for this. I have no idea.

• 9:43Corinne Vien?

  Well, we, we do. It was your grandfather's spirit. Wow. Okay, but riddle me this. You experienced something like that, but you don't believe in the paranormal? So, so can you bridge the gap for me there?

• 9:59Speaker 02

  I mean, one incident, one thing out of millions of times I've been on ghost tours, I've been to haunted places. One moment in my life, two seconds. But the rest of my life is just boring, regular, you know, the ratio there. It's like if I had a lot more experiences, I would probably weigh it, you know, in the other direction.

• 10:25Corinne Vien?

  Okay, well, we're gonna have to take you on a paranormal investigation with us.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:30Corinne Vien?

  And lock you in a room. I'm kidding, we won't do that. But you're gonna be the errand to our Zach. We're like, go into this coffin. And we're gonna lock you, lock you away for nine hours. And I'll go hide in my car.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  And I would do it. Personally, I'd be like, oh, that'd be kind of quiet. It wouldn't bug me for a while.

• 10:52Corinne Vien?

  Your version of a like sensory deprivation tank? Yeah. We'll put some Epsom salts in, yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  You'll make me a believer in a lot of things by the end of it.

• 11:04Corinne Vien?

  Oh my gosh.

• 11:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I feel like you're not alone in this boat of you've had an experience and yet you're still a skeptic. Tell us about Generation Y and the podcast and what you cover and where people can find you. And then we have some ghost stories that we're both going to share with each other.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. For anyone that hasn't heard of Generation Y, I'm sorry. We started in 2012. I had been called for jury duty for a first degree murder trial. And jury selection was on a Monday morning and I found a guy guilty and put him away for life by Thursday.

• 11:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  And I thought, you know, normally we watch Law and Order, CSI, there's a lot more to a murder trial than what I just experienced. So I wanted to talk about that. And at the time, Erin had just watched a little documentary called The Staircase about, you know, Michael Pearson and all that. So Erin's like, I think you want to start a podcast. And I was like, yeah. So we started the Generation Y and we cover mysteries, murders, wrongful convictions. We used to do a lot more mysterious stuff. We used to do a lot more conspiracies, but people like the murder. So we focus on that.

• 12:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're a sick species.

• 12:24Corinne Vien?

  Yes, we are.

• 12:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's your favorite conspiracy?

• 12:28Speaker 02

  I have a lot, but the one that comes to mind is the Titanic switch, switcheroo.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  So the Titanic had a sister ship called the Olympic, I think. And they say that the Titanic didn't sink. It was actually the Olympic. And they, they switched the identities for insurance things or some, I don't even remember how, it's so dumb, but.

• 12:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a good one.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  And that one's kind of fun because nobody's getting hurt. No, there's no hate involved. It's just this random weird idea that I had no idea existed before I covered the case.

• 13:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I've never heard of that.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a whole document. On it and they talk about like the portholes, the number of portholes that were on each ship and you know, that one's fucked.

• 13:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are there any that you believe in, like that you buy into?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Well, the one I buy into, uh, or the ones that I buy into aren't exactly mainstream ones, but I absolutely believe like the sugar industry is lobbying our governments and food industry to put sugar in everything.

• 13:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Without any concern for our health.

• 13:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That doesn't feel like a conspiracy. That just feels like fact.

• 13:46Corinne Vien?

  I think that's just fact. I think that's just living in America, baby.

• 13:52Corinne Vien?

  It is really scary and it does make me want to like run away from reality. And I feel like, well, this was going to be a horrible segue. I was going to say, and that's why I love ghost stories. But that's not, that's not true because we do believe in ghost stories. So it's not running from reality. It's just, um, maybe trying to run into a different plane or dimension.

• 14:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or a reality that exists within our reality that we don't quite understand.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if nothing else, it's a little bit more lighthearted. And for the most part, if I do believe in paranormal, I, I don't believe that it can harm me. But the episode I'm going to be covering tonight is something that does harm somebody. So.

• 14:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I don't know the details of your story, but I know we picked some things that are a bit dark and then have hauntings.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  This case has been covered all over the internet. And so I always, I mean, Aaron and I, when we cover a case, we're, we try to be as factual and evidence-based as possible. But when it comes to the paranormal, it's like, how do you vet this evidence? Is, you know, how do you claim that this is absolutely true? But this story has been covered in newspapers. This story has been documented. So this man did exist. This man did die. And it is a mystery that surrounds it and the story behind it is out there, but I've kind of just taken, uh, you know. Assimilated and coalesced all of the information I could about it.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna present that. Whether or not every single detail is true or vetted is hard because again, we're talking about curses. We're talking about ghosts. We're talking about things that can't really prove in the court of law, I guess. So I just want to put that disclaimer out there.

• 15:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, I will say there is one case that we covered. The case of the Greenbrier ghost, Zona Heester Schuh. And it is like the only historical case where a ghost came back to help convict her murderer.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  I've heard of this, yeah.

• 15:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like it's a legal case.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  I just don't ever want to be like talking about Bigfoot and then somebody give me a fact check on that.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  But the case I'm doing tonight, there is a man and his name is Christopher Case. Last name is Case and he is thirty five years old. This is in nineteen ninety one. He is in the music industry and I think he lives out in like New York, New Jersey. It's all the same to me, sorry.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I live in the flyover states. But he lands a job at a radio station in Seattle, Washington. So he moves across the country and he has a very unique sense of musical taste. He likes the old Egyptian music, like the old archaic. So anytime, you know, in a movie when you see the pyramids and they have that like, you know, kind of weird sitar sound. He's really into that specific type of music.

• 17:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How does one get into that? That is my question.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  I don't know. He's really into this. He's, uh, he's single, uh, or I guess he had a girlfriend, but, uh, maybe long distance. He's just hanging out with his buddies. He's living his life. And it's said that he is invited to a party. Whether this is a work related party or just a personal party, it's not really specified here. But he goes to his friend's party and he's having a good time. Everyone's drinking. And there is a woman at this party and this woman is older than him. She's probably in her forties or fifties. They start talking and she starts talking a little bit about occulty things and Egyptian things and he goes, well, I love Egyptian music.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  She's like, so do I. And they have this like connection, you know, about this very obscure niche thing that they have a common interest over. So it's said that they are talking all night, hitting it off. But Christopher, he's not really interested that way. He is just having a good time talking to this woman.

• 18:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  He, you know, has somebody that he's, it's always said that it's his girlfriend, but you know, it's never really painted clearly like this woman was his partner. And so he's talking to this woman, it's getting the end of the night, everyone's drunk and she's like, hey, you should come back to my place. You know, maybe we can listen to some Egyptian music or whatever it is.

• 18:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wink, wink.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he's like, ah, I, I think I'm good. I'm gonna go home. She's like, no, no, you need to come back to my place. She's very, very forward. And he's like, I, I have to work in the morning. And again, he's just moved across country, gotten this job. So maybe he wants to make sure that he's on time, whatever.

• 18:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  And it said that she does not take this rejection very well. She says, well, all that stuff I've been telling you tonight is because I'm a witch and I'm gonna put a curse on you and you're gonna die by the end of the week.

• 19:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Christopher's like, what?

• 19:15Speaker 02

  I'm out of here. But she, according to everyone at the party, according to Chris, this happened. She put a curse on him or claimed she did. Did you ever see the movie Drag Me to Hell?

• 19:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Okay, well.

• 19:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Shoot, sorry.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  There's a Sam Raimi and his brother do the Evil Dead movies and they hadn't put out an Evil Dead movie in a while and then they put out a movie called Drag Me to Hell. And it's about a woman who works as a loan officer and she denies somebody a loan and the woman puts a curse on her and says they're gonna be dead by the end of the week. And it's an amazing film. And I'm just thinking the same thing about Christopher Case and being told you'll be dead by the end of the week. So Chris goes home, he doesn't think anything of this.

• 20:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a powerful curse that has to be as well, like and just the darkness required.

• 20:11Corinne Vien?

  Sabrina and I have said that we believe in in most things, but like if someone told us that, at least if we were in Christopher Case's boat, I don't think I would think much of it. I'd just be like, okay, like that that lady's had a very emotional response to me not wanting to go over.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would be like, well, I dodged a bullet there.

• 20:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, exactly.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  What would have happened if we would have started a relationship, have been broken up later, like this is not, not a good thing. So he goes home, he doesn't think much of it, but during that week, he starts waking up at night and hears, you know, something fall and he is jerked awake and he's like, what the hell is that? And then he starts hearing whispers and he gets up and he's walking around and he's like, is that somebody in my apartment? I mean, what's going on here? It's freaking him out.

• 21:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he's also new here, so it's like, potentially, he's like, this is a new place. I haven't been here very, very long. Maybe this is like a typical weird thing that happens here.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, you know, I'm assuming this is an apartment complex, you know, maybe you're hearing your neighbors, you know?

• 21:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  So the second night, he actually is awoken by these whispers, they're so loud.

• 21:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  And he's walking around and it's said that he sees something gash across his hallway. And he thinks it's a person now. So he's freaked out and he runs down the hallway and he's looking for an intruder in his house. And there's now no one there. And it's like said, but like, you know, the person dashed into the bathroom. So it's like, you can't escape from the bathroom. He goes in the bathroom, there's no, no one there. So he calls up his friend. He's like, there's somebody in my apartment, I think, but there's nobody here. And his friend, uh, her name is Sammy and it's said that she's into Wiccan and some types of stuff.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  But she's like, I don't know what to tell you, but it sounds like you're having a, like a poltergeist or something.

• 22:13Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  And he's freaking out because two nights of no sleep now because he's been waking up. Third night, again, all this happens and he's calling his friends and Sammy, calling multiple people and telling them. I was at a party, this woman cursed me.

• 22:33Corinne Vien?

  So now he's like believing in the curse.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:37Corinne Vien?

  Are you at least start to question yourself, right? Question your reality? Like, is this connected? It has to be.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  And again, he's in his thirties and it's said that he works out all the time. He's in good shape. You know, it's like, I probably wouldn't want to fight this guy. He could probably take me. So it's not somebody who gets scared very easily. And he is now believing that there are people that he can't see in his apartment. And whether they're shadow people or just things that he sees on his periphery. But he's, he's freaking out. He's on the phone with his friend Sammy and she's like, you need to call the police. He goes, what the hell am I gonna tell the police? There's no one here. And he's like, and I'm not gonna tell them that some woman cursed me.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Because that sounds even crazier than, you know, there's somebody living in my house. So this is just days after this party he went to. It's said that he goes to a local bookstore and pretty much asks for the occult section. And says, I need to buy some books or something. I need to figure out how to protect myself. And he purchases a bunch of books on witchcraft crap and the occult, crucifixes, all this stuff.

• 23:55Corinne Vien?

  Anything he can get his hands on. He's like, I will take it all.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  I'm sure this bookstore owner is like.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  You're not going to learn overnight how to do this.

• 24:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  And also, I know a lot of people that practice witchcraft. Curses are not really their thing.

• 24:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  I just wonder, you know, what kind of magic, magical spell was actually put on him?

• 24:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, because we've also talked about this a lot and like anytime we've covered curses, there's this belief that a curse, especially like this dark, takes a toll on the person who's doing it as well. Like, we've read stories where like the person who was believed to put the curse on someone was like losing their hair and like started to like age quicker. And it's part of like selling their soul a little bit.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's kind of like, as above, so below. And what you put out does come back to you.

• 24:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 25:10Corinne Vien?

  It's so great. It's such a good cheat sheet. And then even if you don't want to do the full routine, I love their brilliant eye brightener because I just slap that right on. Like I wore one of the shades of that to a little seance we did the other day.

• 25:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 25:39Corinne Vien?

  Someone asked us the other day if we had our makeup professionally done when we were wearing a bunch of Thrive and we're like, wow, no, but thanks.

• 25:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Toss, toss.

• 25:45Corinne Vien?

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• 26:29Speaker 02

  So he's freaking out and his friend Sammy is trying to call him and he's not answering. Again, this is early nineties landlines, no cell phones. So he's not answering. She calls the police for a welfare check and they show up. It's claimed that the door is locked. They don't see anything that's out of the ordinary. They leave during this time Sammy gets a call, I guess, on her answering machine or something from Chris saying, I don't think I'm gonna make it. I think this is it.

• 27:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. I can't imagine what it was like to receive that phone call because it's it's also like if someone is suffering mentally or physically, you as a friend can be like, okay, well, I'm going to bring you to the hospital. But when someone's encountering a potential curse or poltergeist and you have no experience, you would feel so helpless.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  And no one believes you. They just think you're crazy, you know? And it said that the curse, the poltergeist, the possession, whatever you want to call it, had ramped up. And so he wakes up one night and he has sleep paralysis. Can't move and whatever this entity is, is above him and strangling him. And it's claimed that he can't breathe. This entity goes away and he claims that he has bruising around his throat that is left from this attack. This physical attack. And he's again, telling everybody about this, but he leaves this final message for his friend Sammy.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  And she calls the cops again, says, you need to go check on him. But she's just called, so this is kind of they're like, so she waits, calls again in the morning and says, please check on my friend. And they go and they get the landlord or whomever to open the door. And reports are a little different here, but it said that they find Christopher Case dead in his apartment. And the Seattle Times, I think it is, they say that he's found clothed in his bathtub, not moving.

• 28:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  There are other versions of this of where his body is found, but they find him and the police see lines of salt around every window and every door. You know what that means?

• 28:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Keeps the bad spirits out.

• 29:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trying. He tried.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Candles, crucifixes everywhere.

• 29:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My gosh.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  But for the most part, the cops don't see anything, like no sign of struggle, no breaking of the doors or anything, like the place is locked up. So no sign of forced entry, no sign of anyone else in the place. And he doesn't appear to be beaten, stabbed, or murdered. So they take his body to the coroner and, you know, they have an autopsy done. And they say he died from essentially a heart attack or myocarditis.

• 29:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez. Do you think he was scared to death?

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing is why does your heart stop? Now, there's a difference between cardiac arrest and myocarditis, because myocarditis is inflammation of the heart after you've had an infection such as, you know, COVID. COVID will cause myocarditis. And that will cause the heart to maybe pump in an irregular rhythm, or the muscle will grow, tissues will grow.

• 30:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My like, heart hurts just thinking about this. Oh.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  So the family and friends are thinking, we don't buy this because we know what was happening a week before his death. And he was freaking out. But it said that there wasn't any drugs in his system. Toxicology reports came back clean. Have I seen the autopsy report? No.

• 30:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, because that's what, I mean, not that this could happen in the span of just one week's time, but it did make me curious about like mold.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Carbon monoxide. But again, like, that doesn't really explain the strangling and all of that.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I'm thinking drugs myself. I'm thinking you're on a meth binge or something. You can, you know, put a lot of stress on yourself. You can hallucinate, get paranoid.

• 30:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You said he worked out a lot. Did, could steroids cause some type of like, mental breakdown?

• 30:58Speaker 02

  I mean, there's the. The rumor, the, the thing of, of roid rage where you can become very emotional. But I would think that would be more of a suicidal tendency or something like that. As opposed to just paranoia and hallucinations. Now that said, you know, myocarditis can be caused by an infection. And then that infection will inflame the heart. Seattle does have ticks, so you have Lyme disease. There are weird parasites that cats carry. And I'm like, at the party he was at, was there a cat? I don't know. I'm trying to think of.

• 31:35Corinne Vien?

  But again, this would be so bizarre because, so I was actually interviewing a toxicologist the other day. And, and she made a good point when I was talking to her about like a specific case, which is that there usually has to be more than one case, right? Like we saw it with COVID. We've, we've seen it with so many different things that have gone through. It's like epidemics and pandemics in recent past where it's like, it doesn't happen to just one person. You're looking for a pattern. So if it were a weird response to Lyme disease or something that's being carried on cats, wouldn't there be more than one? Wouldn't there be other people that are having the same reaction? And then it's investigated as a whole, instead of just this one off case of a man who was cursed one week prior, experiencing all of this.

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think we're trying to do all of these like rational explanations, but I'm, I'm already, I believe it was, he was cursed.

• 32:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  And there is the placebo effect. And if somebody says you're cursed and you start having weird things happen to you, you start believing it. And then mind over matter, you start creating or manifesting these things yourself. Whether or not he was cursed, he created the curse in, in his own mind.

• 32:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's actually a good, interesting perspective because we've talked a lot and there's a big conversation in the paranormal world. We're like, are there some paranormal encounters that are just manifested by humans putting energy into it? Like, can we create, you know, there's this whole case of Conjuring Philip where this. Group in Toronto created a spirit based on group think like could that happen?

• 33:15Corinne Vien?

  Well, and even in today's time paranormal researchers Greg and Dana Newkirk basically took that to the streets. They just did a tour this past year and they had ventriloquy dolls made of themselves. And had at the end of the show, everyone go and try to project some sort of energy or thought onto these dolls. And within a few shows, the dolls started to behave and like do weird things. And they went from these inanimate objects to these things that maybe are holding a bunch of people's energy. And are suddenly now like what we would deem as haunted dolls.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's wild.

• 33:50Corinne Vien?

  So it is weird to think about like how much power thoughts and energy has and how that interacts with our space. And other people and things around us, because if you wish someone harm, perhaps that will actually happen to them.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I I think of the Black Mirror episode, uh, most hated in the nation or something where it's like everyone tweets, you know, hashtag so and so die. And then, you know, it ends up being like, you know, wasps or something, you know, mechanical wasps that go and kill them. But at the same time, I mean, some people will be pushed to suicide because they are being harassed and attacked so much. And I think there is something to, you know, the power of a group psyche to influence things. And what is it? Not group hide, uh, group.

• 34:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hide mind?

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's, uh, it's when it's like if all of us saw the same ghost in the room.

• 34:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, isn't it just a group hallucination?

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's a different.

• 34:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like group psychosis.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Psychosis, that was it. Yeah. And I'm wondering, you know, not that Christopher Case had group psychosis, but he definitely was influenced. And was having a hard time. And I just think a 35 year old guy who is in pretty good health. How does he die from myocarditis at that age unless there was some crazy preexisting condition like Lyme disease or something else? But all of those things have other symptoms too. And myocarditis is something that kills over time, not.

• 35:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Instantly. Yeah, yeah.

• 35:26Corinne Vien?

  Right. Although it does make me wonder if there was something in his, like if this was something that was building up over time and there was something he was exposed to during his move in this new environment where he did have this sort of adverse reaction and it was the tipping point for what would maybe still have happened to him two, three months down the road, five years down the road, but something specific to this place.

• 35:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm still team curse.

• 35:52Corinne Vien?

  I'm trying to channel Justin and figure out like, are there non paranormal possibilities?

• 35:58Speaker 02

  And when I was researching this case, I went down a whole like, what causes myocarditis? And what are the symptoms? And duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. And it's not something that will just cause problems so quickly. Normally, it's, you can live with it. You can live a long life with it. I just, I'm trying to look at all of the explanations, but at the end of the day, most of them actually don't fit unless you think of, he was scared to death and people can, you know, you can frighten somebody. I mean, I wouldn't want to run up on my almost 80 year old mom and freak her out. She might fall down and have a heart attack. So, yeah.

• 36:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now I'm thinking about this woman and who she is, and she was set off so easily, right? Like, how many other people did she curse? Was this a pattern? Did it happen to other people, but we only know the story of Christopher Case?

• 36:55Corinne Vien?

  Okay, also, one more thing, and maybe this is me getting like extremely paranormal after trying to take the skeptical seat. Who is this woman? Did anyone else at the party actually know her? Was she invited? Is she a person at all? Because it sounds really strange that there would be this perfect little meet cue of someone with this really niche interest of his. And it almost makes me think that she herself is the poltergeist, is this sort of demon, and she preyed on him there. And he was always, whether he went home with her or not, this was always going to happen. He was targeted, he was found at the party, and she latched on to him.

• 37:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now here's a conspiracy.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  She was like a succubus demon who just appeared.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  She was the entity. She's already a paranormal figure.

• 37:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what this reminds me of? Did you ever see VHS, that movie?

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, a long, long time ago.

• 37:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's one like segment of it that just sticks with me. And it's this girl at a party and she's wearing a long white dress and she's like stalking the guy. And she keeps like saying, I like you. And she like shows up in his hotel room and like for sure is a ghost and attacks him.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's just like the drag me to hell situation. It's just this thing, but I, I just assumed Christopher Case got a little taste of what women have to go through at most parties anyways.

• 38:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, right. An unfortunate truth.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  That's my story. I hope you enjoyed it.

• 38:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've never heard of this. It's, I mean, tragic, fascinating, and clearly still an unsolved mystery.

• 38:24Corinne Vien?

  I'm so curious now, like with the family, what story did they settle on? Have they done any more research or found the woman? Like, oh, I have so many questions.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Go down a rabbit hole on that one.

• 38:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Seriously. Wow.

• 38:40Corinne Vien?

  Dang, I cannot believe we've never heard of that.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  I know. I just assumed you guys had covered it. I'm like, they have hundreds of cases. I'm sure they've done this one.

• 38:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's the thing. Corinne and I were just talking about this yesterday where, and you guys have been doing this for even longer, but we've been doing our podcast for eight years. And we're still discovering so many stories we've never heard of. Like, we could truly do this for eternity.

• 39:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you know, and it's unfortunate to say that because unfortunately murders happen, deaths happen. And for Sabrina and I, many of those result in sort of like the stories of the paranormal. And for you guys, cases that make the news and have a lot of mystery and intrigue around them. But yeah, no, it's endless. There's so many things that are just so strange.

• 39:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, we have a murder, a mystery, and a haunting. Tonight, we are going to take you to downtown San Antonio, Texas, to a grand old hotel with polished floors, southern charm, and a very morbid history. It is called the Sheraton Gunter Hotel, a hotel where something so terrible, so brutal, and so baffling happened. A hotel with a room so haunted that no maid dares enter alone. This is room 636, the room where in 1965, a heinously gruesome crime was committed.

• 40:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A crime that left more questions than answers. There was a man who checked in under an alias, a missing woman, a man slipping away with a hefty suitcase, and a room left soaked with blood. Now, some 60 years later, this mystery remains, and so too does the haunting. This is the mystery of Albert Knox and the haunting of Room 636 at the Sheraton Gunter Hotel.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Is it supposed to be 666, but they just couldn't put 6?

• 40:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  It's like, there's no 13th floor.

• 40:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 40:38Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 40:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Similar to your story, Justin, this is also reported in newspapers and the murder part at least is like factual.

• 40:47Corinne Vien?

  But we'll start, we'll, we'll give a little history of how this hotel came to be. So the story begins with a man, with Jonathan Jott Gunther. He was born November 14th, 1845 in North Carolina, and he was one of 11 kids. So he had nine brothers, one sister, huge family, but he was a very motivated kid. He did not want to get lost in the shuffle of his siblings. And so at 15 years old in 1861, when the Civil War broke out, he really wanted to enlist, but he was too young. By one year, because you couldn't enlist when you were 16. So he was 15 at the time, he couldn't enlist, but his four older brothers did enlist. And then the next year, when he turned 16, Jott enlisted as a drummer boy.

• 41:29Corinne Vien?

  He was very motivated to be a part of something bigger than just him. And he really wanted to build this empire and to really enrich his life financially, to find a lot of financial freedom and success and to, to be a name people will remember. Which obviously there's some success there because now there's a hotel named after him.

• 41:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 41:48Corinne Vien?

  So when the war ended, he became a lawyer and then he met his wife, his beloved wife that he married, Roxanna. And they soon welcomed a baby girl into the world. And that is where kind of like the beginning of his legacy and his wealth grew.

• 42:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm pretty sure he also, there was a town he formed, like a town named after him in Texas. But I don't know if the town still exists or not.

• 42:10Corinne Vien?

  He definitely found a lot of success and was a wealthy person. So I wouldn't be shocked if there were many other places with his family name associated with them. But there's something else also associated with Jott Gunther, and that is a fatal shooting that happened sometime around 1884. And the shooting was Jott Gunther.

• 42:34Corinne Vien?

  Killing someone. So he was actually never prosecuted in the crime, which is a bit suspect, but perhaps, you know, I don't know how crimes were convicted back then and how investigations worked in the 1880s.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  It sounds like he was pretty successful, so maybe they didn't want to mess with.

• 42:50Corinne Vien?

  Here's $2. Leave me alone. Forget that it happened.

• 42:56Corinne Vien?

  But alas, he continued on the goal of building an empire, forgetting about the person that he just murdered. And he saw a lot of potential in Texas. And so he followed the trends of the railroads being built in Texas. And he was like, oh, all the paths seem to be leading to San Antonio, or that San Antonio is going to be this big place. So he became a key investor on a hotel that was built in San Antonio. And by 1901, he relocated to San Antonio, Texas, along with floods and floods of other people. So he was right. It was a hotspot where people started to, to come and businesses started to build. And it was soon a very booming city. And by 1901, San Antonio actually was the largest city in all of Texas. So it took him nearly eight years to build this hotel that he was an investor in.

• 43:39Corinne Vien?

  And it began as a small lodging structure, and then it was converted into the tallest building in San Antonio. But unfortunately for Jot, he never got to see the completion of this hotel because he passed away on July 19th, 1907. And then two years later, on November 20th, 1909, the eight storied, 301 roomed hotel opened, the Gunter Hotel, named after Jot Gunter himself. And so his dream lived on, right? He wanted to build this hotel and here it was, even though he maybe could only see it from the afterlife. The hotel underwent a few expansions and renovations. They added a few stories, I think three stories by 1926. And then the Gunter Hotel hosted also many historical events. So this is super cool.

• 44:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you love history like us, yeah, there's some cool history nerdy, nerdy facts.

• 44:30Corinne Vien?

  That's the thing about paranormal stories. And I guess what we cover on Two Girls, One Ghost, a large majority of each episode is history. Because, yeah, and then you get into all of the spooky stories.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  With Erin and I, he will give most of the background. And all of those kinds of details where I'm just like, get some stories.

• 44:47Corinne Vien?

  I want the mystery. But it's it's interesting because sometimes you'll learn something in history where you're like, oh, wait, is that the answer? Is that is that what's like being pulled through to solve this mystery?

• 44:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's interesting. I can't remember what episode it was, but there was like some topic I was covering and the like main guy I was talking about was obsessed with asparagus, like he wrote books about asparagus. And so like I became obsessed with asparagus. So I spent like 10 minutes of the episode just talking about asparagus because I was like, I need to know why he loved it. And then I was like, I get it.

• 45:19Corinne Vien?

  And then it became like a history of asparagus podcast.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  And I'd be lying if I didn't listen to ancient Egyptian music for about two days, like in the bathroom while I was cleaning. It's like, what's up with this?

• 45:30Corinne Vien?

  You have to channel these people.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:32Corinne Vien?

  Right. Exactly. Okay, so the hotel, it it became a site for many historical events. It was the administrative office for the US Army during the Mexican-American War. It was also the birthplace of the US Automobile Association. US Army officers would also spend a lot of time here. The iconic blues musician, Robert Johnson, was also a frequent guest of the hotel. And he always requested room 414. And he would spend hours and days and weeks there just composing music. And similarly, following in his footsteps, John Mellencamp also would rent out that same room, room 414. It's like where all of the creative music genius comes from. And he recorded his song Right Behind Me in that very same room.

• 46:16Corinne Vien?

  So a lot of rich history in this place. It's a hotel of elegance, just as John Gunter had hoped it would be. But there's also something quite dark lurking in this hotel. A haunting past that outshines the memory of these sweet, sweet musical melodies.

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• 46:51Speaker 03

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• 46:57Speaker 03

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• 47:04Speaker 04

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• 47:04Speaker 03

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• 47:09Speaker 03

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• 47:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On Sunday, February 8th, 1965, the reputation of the Gunter Hotel changed forever. It was a regular morning at the hotel, and the maid Maria Luisa Guerra was going about the sixth floor cleaning each room. She reached the door of room 636. She knocked, she heard no response, so she inserted the room key and with a turn, she heard that familiar click, and turned the handle, opened the door, and what she saw changed her life and the course of history forever. Maria at first wasn't sure what she was seeing. She remembers how vibrant this color was, bright red, everywhere, like the room had been painted, a terrible, terrible paint job.

• 48:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that couldn't be, red paint all over the room? But that is when her brain focused in, on a figure. She was not alone in the room. No, there, standing at the foot of the bed, was a man, holding something in his hands, staring at the bed. And that is when the pieces come together. This was not paint. It was blood. Everywhere. And this man was standing there, holding a blood soaked sheet, staring at the bed. As it clicked, the man became aware of his presence, and he did the most terrifying, haunting thing he could have done. He looks at her, puts a finger to his lips and goes, "Shh." Then he grabs his suitcase, sprints out of the room,

• 49:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and Maria screams.

• 49:07Corinne Vien?

  Insane, though, that Maria actually got to escape, right? Like, the fact that she got the opportunity to just be told to be silent about what she saw and was let go.

• 49:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, clearly, this man was, like, interrupted, and so he was more concerned about him getting away than her.

• 49:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So Maria screamed. This man ran. The police were called, and almost immediately, they spoke to Maria. They investigated the room. Room 636. There was so much blood. But usually, this amount of blood would be accompanied by a body. Yet no body was found. So according to hotel records, a man named Albert Knox checked into room 636 on February 6, 1965. So just two days prior to this crime scene being found. Albert Knox was described as a blond man in his late 30s. He had spent the last two days at the hotel, sometimes in the company of a tall, blond, sophisticated-looking woman. He was otherwise unassuming,

• 50:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  until, of course, the horror scene that was discovered in his room. Police were certain that with this amount of blood, someone had died. They scoured the room and the hotel. No body. They found empty bottles of wine strewn about, small bloody footprints staining the hotel room floor, remnants of charcuterie, olives and cheese were on top of a table, clothing belonging to a woman was left behind, undergarments, nylon stockings, things that a woman would not have left without. They found strands of long blond hair, lipstick-stained cigarette butts, and receipts for San Antonio Trunk and Gift Company. But perhaps the most damning piece of evidence was the shell from a 22 caliber gun on the bed, and of course, the ungodly amounts of blood.

• 50:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The bed was soaked, the chair was drenched, there were trails of blood coming and going from room to the bathroom, back to the room again. They knew someone had died. The only problem was there was no body and the man Albert Knox had made a run for it.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  So they were pretty sure that the guy was Albert who took off?

• 51:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 51:11Corinne Vien?

  It was definitely him. But for the police, the problem was that Albert Knox was an alias. So he had checked into this room under a fake name. And so when he ran, he was a ghost. They were like, how do we find him?

• 51:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:24Corinne Vien?

  Uh, well, luckily for them, he was also kind of dumb because he used a different name, another alias. So his first alias was Albert Knox. A couple of days later, he used alias Albert Cox.

• 51:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally the same day. So like February 8th, he ran and then he found another hotel like in San Antonio and checked in under the name Albert Cox.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  It's so unoriginal.

• 51:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 51:50Corinne Vien?

  So the police were like, all right, we're coming over. And they raced over to the hotel room. And when they arrived, they wanted to obviously catch him and take him into custody, but he had fatally wounded himself. So he ended up dying and they weren't given the opportunity to question him about this murder.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  So they kind of apprehended him, but not really.

• 52:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Yeah, sure. It's clear he was guilty of something.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. People don't be acting that way when they're leaving another murder.

• 52:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 52:21Corinne Vien?

  And also it makes me wonder, like, did he kind of want to get caught? Because why would you use a name so similar?

• 52:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think he was in panic mode.

• 52:29Corinne Vien?

  And like, maybe he forgot the first alias that he used. Like, it makes me wonder if he forgot that he called himself Albert Knox and thought he was using the same name.

• 52:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  I always default, like, I never applied malice when incompetence and stupidity is so prevalent. And I just think he was dumb.

• 52:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Yeah. I also think he was like panicked because, and as we'll talk, I really do feel like a lot of this was premeditated. And when we hear about his history, there's potential like this wasn't the first time, but it was the first. First time he was caught and so he panicked and ran and didn't really know what to do. And then he was like, this is the end of the road. So now we're left with like all of these questions. The police are like, who was this man really? What happened in the hotel room? Did he kill the blonde woman he was seen with? Where's her body? All of these questions are unanswered, but the police were able to identify the man. I'm not sure exactly how they figured it out, but they knew Albert Knox was an alias and they discovered his real name was Walter Emmerich.

• 53:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He was a 37 year old unemployed man with a very sordid past. And there is some content warning here for sexual violence and potential other crimes. But similar to Jock Gunter, Emmerich did have hopes and dreams. Unlike Gunter, though, Emmerich took another path, a darker, more sinister path. And as he traveled along it, he left behind him a trail of hurt and blood. Walter Emmerich was born on May 24th, 1926. His beginnings are not quite clear, but he is of Russian descent. And it seems that his parents either put him up for adoption or like his mom remarried. Either way, he kind of moved around a lot and didn't have a solid home growing up.

• 54:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it seemed that he was a very difficult child filled with rage. He got wrapped up in a life of crime and very quickly became a violent, dangerous man. When police discovered his true identity, they found a long record, theft, violence, rape. So 11 years prior to the bloody scene at the Gunter Hotel, Walter Emmerich was arrested after sexually assaulting a young woman. He was sentenced to two years for his crime. And I even found like the old police record of his arrest. So what happened after his release in 1965 is unclear. But given that he had checked into the hotel room under an alias, I do feel like Walter Emmerich spent time traveling to different places,

• 54:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  checking in under aliases, doing who knows what type of crimes, picking up women, possibly harming them, running and then doing it all over again in different cities. So had the maid not walked in on Walter Emmerich on that tragic day of February? Eight, nineteen sixty five. Who knows how many other crimes Walter Emmerich may have committed? And who knows how many he committed prior to this day? Because part of the clue trail that the police followed from the crime scene, they found that receipt that was to the trunk store. And so they went to the store to find out, what did he purchase? And they found that he had purchased a massive suitcase. And the way he purchased it was actually with a check

• 55:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  under the name of his stepfather, who one month prior, in January of nineteen sixty five, had mysteriously gone missing.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 55:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So like Emmerich stole his checks, potentially did something worse as well to his stepfather, and was using his checks to buy suitcases to potentially move bodies in.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Well, and that was like the the peak of serial killers was sixties and seventies, right?

• 56:07Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah. And very sadly, we have no idea still today. It's a mystery what exactly happened on that evening, February eighth, nineteen sixty five, in room six hundred and thirty six. No one knows where the body of that woman was disposed. And I know technically there-

• 56:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or who she was.

• 56:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah. It's all such a mystery. Some people do theorize that she was a call girl, perhaps, because, you know, like she, it's not like she came with a bunch of luggage and was checked in like as a girlfriend or partner or something. Like, it was just her and what she had on her at the time. But cops were informed that the day before the murder, Albert Knox, in his alias, he visited the local Sears department store in search of a meat grinder. And when the employee informed him that they actually did not have in stock the size of meat grinder he was looking for, he became super enraged and just like stormed off.

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you don't forget that encounter with someone at a department store.

• 57:09Corinne Vien?

  No. And also, like, why do you need a massive meat grinder in downtown San Antonio? Right. So they were like, okay, presumably this was premeditated, right?

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Because unless he came in and said, hey, I own a restaurant where I make sausages. And I need this thing. And can you order one for me? You don't come in and demand one and then get pissed off. You know, that's not how that works.

• 57:36Corinne Vien?

  Right. And also, like, it was clear that it was almost like a time bound thing, right? Like, he needed this meat grinder right now. A super, super quick turnaround. That's why he was so upset. Which, like, you know, if you owned a restaurant, would you really need a meat grinder? Not short of turnaround? Maybe, I don't know. But the maid Maria, it's thought that maybe she interrupted him when he was attempting to clean up and dispose of the body. And that the box or the suitcase that Maria saw him like running, rushing out of the room with actually had the remains of the woman inside. And then he ran, but obviously not far enough because when cops closed in on him, he did end up taking his life to evade capture.

• 58:19Corinne Vien?

  But this has remained one of the biggest murder mysteries in San Antonio. There's a missing woman, her identity still unknown. And then days after this horrific murder, staff at the Gunter Hotel began seeing and hearing really odd things. And more specifically, they began to see the spectral shape of a woman passing in their peripheral vision. So when they would turn to look and look at this woman who kept like kind of just passing right next to them, there would be no one. They'd be completely alone. And the majority of sightings were all around room 636. So ever since this horrific murder, the room has been the site for multiple haunting reports. Visions of this woman who's wearing white, lights turning on and off, the feeling of being watched.

• 59:05Corinne Vien?

  One guest even reported seeing a ghostly woman holding her hands out to them with this sort of like vacant, lost gaze, which is so sad because if this is the woman, it seems like her spirit is very confused and searching for answers. And it's like, can you tell me why I'm here or what's happening to me? Which I hate hearing that.

• 59:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so sad. Yeah.

• 59:23Corinne Vien?

  Multiple investigators and paranormal enthusiasts have investigated the now infamously haunted room 636. And one of the investigators from the San Antonio Paranormal Investigators Group was actually physically attacked in this room. And another person was shown violent visions of the crime.

• 59:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is difficult too, because it's like, and Justin, you kind of briefly brought this up, but when something is put in your mind, do you then fill in the gaps in like in your imagination? Or was a spirit trying to show what happened?

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Trying to be like, hey, solve my murder. This is what happened.

• 1:00:01Corinne Vien?

  Then there's also this question of like, does someone know something? Is the answer to this murder somewhere? Because the general manager received this really heavy envelope, and it was addressed to the Gunter with no return address. And then instead of the return address, were just the following numbers, 1965, which was the year that the murder took place. And then when they opened the envelope, there was this like huge old room key, and it was the room key to room 636. It was like someone was trying to hint at knowing something.

• 1:00:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So creepy.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:34Corinne Vien?

  But like, that's another mystery. Like, who sent this? And why? And what do they know?

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I guess it's could have been somebody who rented the room later and then stole the key, but

• 1:00:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  It seems to be very specific.

• 1:00:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  And I would hope that, or I would just assume that, one, he, you know, it said there was a 22 caliber shell or something. I would hope that he killed this person quickly to suffer.

• 1:01:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I hope so.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  And then, you know, I don't know if you can run off with a big old trunk. So maybe he had removed her body and was in process of removing her. Because I don't know if you can just run off with a big trunk. So maybe that trunk was disposed of prior to the maid coming in and catching him. But if he's just standing there with a bloody sheet and everything, it sounds like he's kind of just ruminating and getting off on what he's done.

• 1:01:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, right.

• 1:01:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, he'd done most of the cleanup, but not all of it.

• 1:01:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And in the arrest record that Sabrina had found, they did have his weight and he was like 170 some pounds. So it's not like, it's not like he was this like massive muscular, like he was like 5'9" or something. Like, it's not like he could easily, to your point, Justin, take a trunk with a full dead body and just casually stroll out the hotel. It would require some probably immense physical effort on his part.

• 1:01:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Corinne Vien?

  Just like most people.

• 1:01:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, the Gunter Hotel is well known now because of this tragic event, but there are other ghosts and more ghostly activity that happens at the Gunter Hotel. It is said that room 414 is haunted by multiple spirits, specifically Robert Johnson, the blues musician who wrote music here. And like Corinne mentioned, in 2009, John Mellencamp went to stay at the Gunter Hotel. And when he got there, he requested to check into room 414. And in that room, when he was writing his own music, he did feel the company of Robert Johnson and felt very inspired. And then, I love this, there are two female spirits who are believed to be of the flapper era. They're dressed in

• 1:02:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  flapper dresses, probably like from the 1920s. And one is seen wearing a long white dress, and she roams the upper floors of the hotel. Staff has lovingly nicknamed her Ingrid, and the other is nicknamed Peggy. But here's, okay, you might think, oh, two female flapper ghosts. They must be friends, haunting, like ghoul friends haunting this hotel together. But no, they hate each other. They hate each other, and they quarrel all the time. And like Ingrid has the upper floors and Peggy has like a different part of the hotel, like the lobby and downstairs. But occasionally, they'll intersect. And you don't want to be there when they do,

• 1:03:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  because apparently like the energy shifts, they get into like an altercation.

• 1:03:29Corinne Vien?

  They fight.

• 1:03:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I love.

• 1:03:30Corinne Vien?

  It's a ghost fight.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  So typical.

• 1:03:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:03:33Corinne Vien?

  So typical.

• 1:03:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Don't come up here.

• 1:03:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:38Corinne Vien?

  That's the EVP I want to capture. I want to hear what they're fighting about. What is the bickered argument?

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Real ghost wives of the.

• 1:03:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god.

• 1:03:46Corinne Vien?

  San Antonio. Oh my gosh. That is a show people would pay for.

• 1:03:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'd watch that instantly.

• 1:03:53Corinne Vien?

  But, okay, so when they are separate, I think that they are enjoying their time there because there is a staff member Christina Richards, who she was getting pretty irritated at one point because there was a couple who she was waiting on, who kept saying like, we see a ghost, we see a ghost. And she's like, oh my god, these people are just trying to get out of paying their bill or whatever. And so she, she was like annoyed, but then not long after she sees the ghost and it's Ingrid. It's the spirit that they call Ingrid. And she was walking through the hotel, tossing her dress around, twirling, just having a great time because probably Peggy wasn't around. And you might be able to see Peggy or Ingrid or many of the other spirits that are supposedly haunting the Gunter Hotel.

• 1:04:33Corinne Vien?

  It is still fully operational today and room 636 has now been divided into two separate rooms in an attempt to lessen the paranormal activity.

• 1:04:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I feel like that's probably gonna like make it worse because now it's like instead of just one room with hauntings, here's two.

• 1:04:50Corinne Vien?

  Well, and now you have two more opportunities for other people to come in and like shake up the energy.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  They're just doubling their profits because they know people are gonna rent out both rooms. And one, it's probably a two-year wait to get to that one room now.

• 1:05:04Corinne Vien?

  I know. I totally get wanting to rent out a haunted hotel room, but there is something kind of disturbing about it being haunted because there was such a brutal murder in it.

• 1:05:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  I stayed, this was on a business trip. I did not pay to stay here. But it was in the Hotel Del Coronado in San Diego.

• 1:05:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  And I wanted to stay in the haunted room, but of course they're like, there's like a two-year wait.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  And I don't even remember the story about it now, if there was a murder in that room or not. But I did stay in another room that they said this whole wing of the hotel, people, you know, report things. And I was staying in that hotel room and nothing happened.

• 1:05:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nothing happened.

• 1:05:51Corinne Vien?

  You gotta open yourself up. You gotta believe that something will and then maybe, maybe I'll experience something.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  I want to believe.

• 1:06:00Corinne Vien?

  We'll take you on a paranormal investigation because not to toot our own horns, but we do feel like somehow we get lucky and there is a lot of activity that happens around us.

• 1:06:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And our approach is very like, we're not come at me ghosts, demons. We're very like respectful. We treat them. We like to treat it like we're walking into a stranger's house and it's like, we'd like to get to know you. What do you want to share with us? If you don't want to share anything, all good. We'll just hang out.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  What is it like?

• 1:06:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's real low pressure.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  Ghost adventures, where he like antagonizes the ghost.

• 1:06:32Corinne Vien?

  Come at me, bro. Come at me. Yeah, we don't, we don't do that. We treat, we treat the spirits like stray dogs. We're, we're just like really gentle with our approach. We just sit there and let them come to us. And so far, so good.

• 1:06:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we've had a lot happen.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  I have a question for you because most of these ghost stories are from the past and you'll hear like some little girl in a white dress from like the 1800s and

• 1:06:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Come play with me.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. But where are the ghosts of the, the guy in the affliction shirt that's saying, hold my beer? Where, where are those ghosts? How come they don't exist?

• 1:07:11Corinne Vien?

  I think they're here. I know to your point, it's like, why is there no like glowing cellphone? Just like fantastically scrolling Instagram in the middle of the night next to your bed.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Just waiting for like, you know, when the modern day goes hits the, the market as opposed to like these, you know, I mean, even, even 1960s, that's pretty close. You know, that's, that's not, that's not too far away.

• 1:07:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's interesting because it's like, there's so many different possibilities that Corinne and I over the years have pontificated about and hypothesized that the paranormal actually is. And like, sometimes I'm like, is it a weird glitch where it's not even a haunting that you're experiencing, but you're experiencing like a moment in time where timelines blur?

• 1:07:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's one story and I can't remember like the specifics, but this person was at like an old castle, visiting and doing a tour, when he saw like two men in period clothing, standing by the fireplace. And he was like, this is odd. But then he saw the two men turn and look at him, and they seemed just as confused at seeing him. So it's like, back in whatever time period that was happening, were these two men standing at the fireplace when they saw a strange man and weird clothing? And they're like, what?

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, they saw you in, what is that, a strawberry sweater?

• 1:08:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, tomato, yeah.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, they would be like, what are you wearing? And I wonder, you know, there is like the time loop thing of somebody, you know, the woman just walking down the hall, you know, forever, aimlessly, and she didn't even notice you, as opposed to what you just described, where it's like the timelines cross over. Or they say in Poltergeist, it's, you know, maybe a teenager who just has a lot of emotions come, you know, going through puberty or whatever, and is manifesting this energy to cause things to fly off the walls.

• 1:09:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I will say, I wish that that is what happened every time I PMS. Like, I would love my menstrual symptoms to show up as like Matilda, like objects floating and being thrown around. That would be awesome.

• 1:09:18Corinne Vien?

  I'll tell you one quick ghost story that's personal, that's like kind of happening to me right now. And you can be the judge of what it means. But I feel like Sabrina and I have talked a lot about on our show, like residual hauntings and what happens when, you know, like it seems like there's that repeated event where like there's someone walking down the hall and they don't even know that that they're walking down the hall or whatever. And it's like, what is that? Is that like that person's spirit and they're just completely trapped? Or is that just like the place remembering a moment that meant something, whether it was good or bad for that person? So I recently moved into a house a couple of years ago, and my husband and I just had our first child. And I was

• 1:09:58Corinne Vien?

  having a really, really tough time with postpartum depression and postpartum anxiety. And my neighbor Told me a few months ago that he saw me in the kitchen at like 11:00 PM doing dishes in the window because his backyard like looks directly into my kitchen. And I was like, oh, interesting. But like, I was not downstairs. I do not go downstairs in the middle of the night. And so I was like, that's

• 1:10:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, your neighbor, just for people who are listening, who are like, why was your neighbor staring into your kitchen window late at night? There was a possum attacking his peach tree, right? So he was trying to catch

• 1:10:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes, he was hunting. He was hunting the possum in his peach tree. So the conversation came up because he was showing me, haha, I caught the possum. Look at these, look at these photos and videos I took of the possum like mid by on my peach tree at 11:00 PM. And then he's like, but you probably saw me out there because like, I looked over and I saw you doing dishes in your, in your window. So you probably saw me out there with a flashlight. And I was like, oh, yeah, whatever. Because he's an older man who definitely does not believe in the paranormal. So I was like, okay. And then I was like, that's super fricking weird. And I didn't really know what it meant. And then maybe a week later, my mom was here helping us out. And she woke up in the middle of the night and had sleep paralysis. And there

• 1:11:15Corinne Vien?

  was a woman next to her bed that looked just like me, just standing and like hovering over her. And so it all goes to this theory that Sabrina and I now have where because my postpartum journey was so awful, and I was having such a, just like a very like mental, emotional battle, that a piece of me, a piece of my soul chipped off. And now I have to do some sort of like inner work, inner healing journey to try to find that broken piece of me and bring it back. Because there's me walking around my house in the middle of the night and staring at people, apparently.

• 1:11:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Creeping people out.

• 1:11:49Corinne Vien?

  I haven't seen her. I haven't seen her, but everyone else is.

• 1:11:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You gotta collect her, bring her back.

• 1:11:55Corinne Vien?

  And I'll just like, open a tub of cookie dough and just wait, watch for her to like, make her way to the kitchen. Girl, I know you're coming.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  Then I would show up and be like, cookie dough.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Where's the cookie dough?

• 1:12:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All of the ghosts start coming to your house for the cookie dough. Yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, if our soul is the ghost, you know, if our soul won't leave this plane of reality, and that is the ghost, then why can't you haunt while you're still alive?

• 1:12:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:12:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  You know, the timeline doesn't, should, death should not be the

• 1:12:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We read a listener story that like broke me and healed me at the same time where both of her parents died within like a year of each other. Her mom had passed away first. And then when her dad passed away, she dreamt of her dad. And in the dream, she was like driving in her car and her dad was sitting in the passenger seat. And her first question was like, why aren't you with mom? Like, is mom okay? And her dad's spirits response was, I'm with her right now, just like I'm with you right now, just like I'm with your mother when she was three years old, and I'm helping her through her childhood, just like I'm like there for you when you were a kid, and I'm there for me when I was alive. Like,

• 1:13:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  his spirit was everywhere, watching people as they were living. And I was like, wow.

• 1:13:19Corinne Vien?

  Not bound by any one singular timeline.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's a new movie out called Presence.

• 1:13:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, so good.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:13:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corinne, I've been telling you about it.

• 1:13:30Corinne Vien?

  I know. Sabrina finds a way to bring it up like every other episode.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  It's not scary at all. It's not. I mean, there's a scary moment, but it's not because of the ghost. It's, you know, I don't want to spoil or give away anything, but the whole timeline doesn't apply thing is definitely in Presence, so.

• 1:13:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this was so much fun. I'm so glad that you got to tell us about the Christopher K. story because I've never heard of it. And now I feel like a new paranormal level has been unlocked in my brain. Can you tell everyone where to find you and your podcast? And if there's anything new and exciting coming up that they should look forward to?

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  Generation Y, W H Y, all spelled out. It's, you can find it anywhere and everywhere. I don't know if there's a platform that doesn't carry us.

• 1:14:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And any timeline, everywhere, all at once.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  And then, uh, Jim Y Pod is our website. And we're out on Facebook, Instagram, all the regulars. Just search Generation Y, all spelled out, and you will find us. And, uh, and we have hundreds of episodes. So binge to your heart's delight.

• 1:14:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Amazing.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Yes, I will definitely be posting your guys' links in my show notes and everything, too.

• 1:14:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you. Yeah, us too. Well, thank you so much. This was so fun.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  I love it. And when you look for Christopher Case, there's probably other people that will tell the story better than I did, but.

• 1:14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, you did an amazing job. I was hooked.

• 1:14:54Corinne Vien?

  This is my request to you, that when you find other stuff like that in your, in your journey, like if there's anything super paranormal, send it our way. Because this was,

• 1:15:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:02Corinne Vien?

  I can't believe that we'd never heard of this.

• 1:15:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:15:05Corinne Vien?

  We're employing you as our research assistant, our director of topics.

• 1:15:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we'll send hauntings your way. So we'll send our ghost to give you a nice, gentle haunting to help you.

• 1:15:18Corinne Vien?

  A nudge towards being a believer.

• 1:15:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Corinne Vien?

  And we will.

• 1:15:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See you on the other side.

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