Pod Insights True Crime All The Time Shawn Gant-Benalcazar About this episode Austin, Texas experienced three similar murders in December 2014. The killer left behind no DNA evidence, and the police worried they were dealing with a serial killer. A neighbor testing out his new thermal imaging scope recorded evidence that would help identify the killer.
Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss Shawn Gant-Benalcazar. Shawn didn't have a long history of criminal activity but was linked to several murders through an associate named Tim Parlin. The murders were ruthless, and the police knew they had to catch this killer before more innocent people were killed. The investigation led them down a winding path and, ultimately, multiple juries to make sense of what happened.
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1:50 Speaker 00 Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 419 of the True Crime All the Time Podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson, and with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Give me, how are you?
2:00 Speaker 01 I'm doing good. How about yourself?
2:01 Speaker 00 Trying to stay warm.
2:02 Speaker 01 Yes, hard to do.
2:03 Speaker 00 It's been below zero here a few days, and I'm not happy about it.
2:08 Speaker 01 I can tell. A little angry.
2:10 Speaker 00 Sometimes hangry.
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2:14 Speaker 00 Let's go ahead and give our Patreon shout outs. We had Kathy.
2:18 Speaker 01 Hey Kathy.
2:18 Speaker 00 Sarah Elias.
2:20 Speaker 01 Hey Sarah.
2:20 Speaker 00 Samantha Peters.
2:21 Speaker 01 Well, thanks Samantha.
2:22 Speaker 00 Catherine Deacon jumped up to our highest level.
2:25 Speaker 01 Oh, you're awesome Catherine.
2:26 Speaker 00 Beth Kubera.
2:27 Speaker 01 Hey Beth.
2:28 Speaker 00 Renda Henskin.
2:30 Speaker 01 Henskin?
2:31 Speaker 00 Yep.
2:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:32 Speaker 00 Kida.
2:32 Speaker 01 What's going on Kida?
2:33 Speaker 00 Destiny Valentine.
2:35 Speaker 01 Thanks Destiny.
2:36 Speaker 00 Adele.
2:36 Speaker 01 There is Adele. She's got some good lungs on her.
2:39 Speaker 00 Yep. Ashton Graves.
2:41 Speaker 01 What's going on Ashton?
2:42 Speaker 00 And last but not least Rebecca Marley.
2:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, I like that name Marley.
2:47 Speaker 00 Yeah, I hope no one takes your she's got some good lungs on her the wrong way.
2:52 Speaker 01 I meant the singing Adele.
2:53 Speaker 00 Pipes, yeah, she's got the pipes. A lot of times, you know, that can refer to something else.
2:59 Speaker 01 I don't know what you're talking about.
3:01 Speaker 00 Then if we go back into the vault. This week, we selected Chlorange.
3:07 Speaker 01 Chlorange, such an interesting name.
3:10 Speaker 00 Yeah, if it is a name, I don't really know what it, what it is, but we don't make up the Patreon monikers. People make their own up, so.
3:19 Speaker 01 It's a word, interesting word.
3:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, so let's talk about true crime all the time unsolved. We have an episode out right now on the Fort Worth missing trio. This goes back to 1974 and it was just before Christmas that three girls went out Christmas shopping and never came home. So it's a good episode. Check that out. We talk about the leads, the potential suspects, all of that.
3:48 Speaker 01 Just really sad.
3:49 Speaker 00 Yeah, obviously it's incredibly sad. We also had a Patreon episode that dropped Saturday night and it was on Carrie Murphy, who in 2012 called 911 to report that someone broke into her home and attacked her mother. But Carrie became the main suspect after she told multiple stories about what happened that night. But there's so many twists and turns in this one. And people become involved and then get ruled out, become involved again.
4:24 Speaker 01 I know.
4:25 Speaker 00 It's.
4:25 Speaker 01 Like you're just walking around in circles for a little bit.
4:27 Speaker 00 Yes, there are a lot of suspects saying a lot of things. Very little of it truthful.
4:34 Speaker 01 But it's a really good case.
4:35 Speaker 00 It is, it is a good case. All right, buddy, are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime All the Time?
4:40 Speaker 01 Hey, I am.
4:41 Speaker 00 We are talking about Sean Gant Benalcazar, Austin, Texas. Experienced three similar murders in December 2014. The killer left behind no DNA evidence and the police worried they were dealing with a serial killer. A neighbor testing out his new thermal imaging scope recorded evidence that would help identify the killer. And I know you have a, a number of thermal imaging gadgets, both mounted on guns. Some are just goggles that you wear as you're out all dressed in black. First of all, I don't know how you afford these things.
5:25 Speaker 00 Second of all, I don't know what you do with all these things, but.
5:28 Speaker 01 They're a very key part of my wardrobe.
5:34 Speaker 00 And what you do, which is very, very secretive. Kathy Blair was born in Burbank, California on May 31st, 1961. She was 53 years old when she was murdered. Her sister Kirsten Matheson told 48 Hours that Kathy always loved singing. And she moved from California to Austin, Texas because of her love for music. She graduated from UT Austin with a master's degree in vocal performance. Kathy decided to stay in Austin because she loved the city and it felt like home to her. And a lot of people do love Austin.
6:12 Speaker 01 They do.
6:13 Speaker 00 What's the slogan? Keep Austin weird. There's a number of different slogans about Austin. But the one thing that is definitely true is that they have a thriving music scene.
6:25 Speaker 01 They do.
6:26 Speaker 00 There used to be a show, maybe it's still on, but a long time ago, they had a show called Austin City Lights.
6:31 Speaker 01 They did, yeah.
6:32 Speaker 00 City Limits. I forget what the.
6:34 Speaker 01 It was City Lights.
6:34 Speaker 00 I think it was too.
6:36 Speaker 01 I know I was supposed to perform there once. I just, those days when I was down in Nashville singing and.
6:41 Speaker 00 Couldn't get, couldn't make it to Austin.
6:43 Speaker 01 Couldn't make it to Austin.
6:44 Speaker 00 Time because you were at the Opry.
6:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. That's why I wrote that song, Dear Austin.
6:49 Speaker 00 For Blake Shelton?
6:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
6:50 Speaker 00 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
6:52 Speaker 01 Thanks Blake for buying that off of me.
6:54 Speaker 00 Kathy had been divorced twice and had two children. By 2014, she was renting a house in a quiet neighborhood in Austin. Kathy was the director of the Christian Choral Society of Austin and the music coordinator for the Redeemer Presbyterian Church. Her students loved her and considered her a role model.
7:17 Speaker 01 Sounds like a pretty good person.
7:19 Speaker 00 Well, let's face it, as do many of the victims that we, you know, ultimately end up talking about. In November 2014, Kathy's son, Joseph Harkins, temporarily moved in with her while awaiting his assignment from the Navy. He had a night out on December 5th, 2014 and returned just after noon on the 6th. He found his mother dead in her bedroom. He told the 911 operator per 48 hours, I think my mom is dead. There's a lot of blood. I think someone broke in and killed my mom.
7:57 Speaker 01 Tragic.
7:59 Speaker 00 There was evidence of a great struggle. Kathy had been choked, stabbed and slashed across her neck. She was robbed after she was killed. And you said, you know, obviously a horrible situation. Number one, for a son to find his mom like this, but then, you know, just in the way that she was killed. This was. Obviously, a very vicious murder. She fought her attacker. She wanted to live. But obviously, whoever killed her, overpowered her, choked her, stabbed and slashed her.
8:39 Speaker 00 Detective Derek Israel was the lead investigator. He told 48 Hours that several things stood out to him. The murder occurred in a low-crime area, and there was nothing about Kathy's home that stood out from others to make her a target. And I think that's interesting, right? As you're looking at or kind of going through the victimology, well, what is it about this person?
9:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, what made someone pick her?
9:08 Speaker 00 Obviously, it could be someone who knows her, who has an issue with her. But if you're, if you're looking at it from a stranger murder standpoint, well, then there's got to be something that stands out. You know, maybe she's driving an expensive car or, you know, something like that. She's got the most expensive house on the block. I think this detective is kind of saying, "We didn't see anything like that."
9:33 Speaker 01 Nothing really jumped out at us.
9:35 Speaker 00 Kathy kept a jewelry case in her bedroom. All the drawers had been pulled out and emptied, then left in a pile on the floor. And, I mean, I think from that alone, you can draw a pretty safe conclusion that it seems like robbery is involved in this thing. Now, there have been many times where drawers have been pulled out, emptied, and it's nothing more than an attempt to stage a robbery.
10:06 Speaker 01 Sure.
10:06 Speaker 00 To try to cover up what really happened or the real reason for a murder. There were traces of blood and shoe prints throughout the home, but no DNA evidence left by the killer.
10:21 Speaker 00 All right. So you've got some stuff to work with, right? Blood, is that the victim's blood, the assailant's blood, maybe both, and shoe prints. But if you don't have someone you're looking at, shoe prints aren't going to help you a whole lot.
10:38 Speaker 01 No, they're not.
10:39 Speaker 00 Investigators soon received a key piece of evidence from an unlikely source. Around 1:30 a.m. on the night of December 6th, neighbor Rob Leaf, who lived just a few blocks from Kathy, was out for a late night walk. Leaf told 48 Hours, he was testing out a new thermal scope and was trying to get video of some deer in their neighborhood. His scope picked up a heat signature, but it wasn't a deer. And I don't know how many people have seen these thermal kind of imaging scopes, maybe in video games, maybe in the movies. They are unbelievable.
11:19 Speaker 01 Right.
11:20 Speaker 00 And what they can show you that you can't see with the naked eye. I know they're used a lot in hog hunting, I believe.
11:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:32 Speaker 00 I've seen some of that in hunting shows on TV. Obviously, the military uses them.
11:38 Speaker 01 Oh, absolutely. I have one in my truck at nighttime, so I can drive with my lights off.
11:43 Speaker 00 Which is very smart.
11:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:45 Speaker 00 I've always said that. You know, a lot of times we're talking about the helicopter that's up, you know, trying to track the fugitive and it will have thermal imaging.
11:57 Speaker 01 Sure, yeah.
11:58 Speaker 00 And can see somebody kind of lying down in the grass that maybe nobody else could see. They might walk right by this person. And this is kind of along those same lines.
12:09 Speaker 01 You know, the more expensive drones have those on them as well.
12:13 Speaker 00 Oh, I did not know that.
12:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. I'm talking military grade drones.
12:17 Speaker 00 Well, you know, these thermal scopes are fairly expensive, I believe. I don't own one, but the ones I've seen online and stuff, they're pricey.
12:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:30 Speaker 00 But here's the other thing, you know, if you're out testing this scope, now I'm assuming he just had the scope. It wasn't mounted to a gun and he's just walking around the neighborhood because if so, he's pointing this gun at something that is not a deer.
12:47 Speaker 01 Probably wouldn't go over so well.
12:48 Speaker 00 No, probably not.
12:51 Speaker 00 Leave said he saw headlights approaching and a car parked on his street. He continued recording with the scope and zoomed in. He captured someone getting out of the vehicle, walking down the sidewalk and turning down Kathy's street. So apparently this scope had some type of recording capability as well. And you and I have talked about a number of different ways that crimes have been solved by technology. I think this kind of personal thermal scope is a first for us where someone actually catches who might ultimately be the killer through one of these thermal scopes.
13:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:34 Speaker 00 Now, he didn't think much of it. And the next day he traveled to Las Vegas for a pre-planned trip with friends. He read the news on his phone and saw an article about the murder. When he read the address, he realized there was a chance he had relevant evidence.
13:53 Speaker 01 And how weird would that be?
13:55 Speaker 00 I think it'd be very strange.
13:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:57 Speaker 00 When you believe you might have seen a killer after they had committed what we just described as a, as a very heinous crime. And then you start thinking, well, I might be able to provide police with something that could help crack the case. There, there would have to be some exhilaration there.
14:19 Speaker 01 Right.
14:20 Speaker 00 Almost like, man, I gotta get back to, to Austin as quick as I can. I think that's what he did so that he could, uh, turn the video over to the police. Now, the video couldn't identify the man in the video or his license plate number, but they did determine that he was driving a sedan. Because let's face it, anybody who has seen like pictures of thermal imaging, it's like a lot of yellows, oranges and reds.
14:49 Speaker 01 Right.
14:49 Speaker 00 It's not like a, a clear picture, like a video camera.
14:54 Speaker 01 It's not a crystal clear image.
14:56 Speaker 00 No, it's not 4K, you know?
14:59 Speaker 01 It's not even 2K.
15:00 Speaker 00 It's not even 2K. Just nine days later, an elderly couple was murdered in another quiet Austin neighborhood, about 15 minutes from Kathy's home. Billy and Sydney Shelton were married for 64 years.
15:16 Speaker 00 Sydney was 85 years old and Billy was 83. They had three children. They were described as kind, hardworking people with a positive outlook on life.
15:27 Speaker 01 Wait, to be married 64 years? I think you gotta be that. That's a long time to be married.
15:33 Speaker 00 Have a positive outlook on life. Well, you gotta have a positive outlook on marriage. That's for sure.
15:38 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
15:39 Speaker 00 Nurse Dow Coderla was making her scheduled visit to the Shelton home on December 15th, 2014. She knocked and no one answered. And then she noticed that the front door had been what she called busted open. And to me, Gibbs, that's a description of like someone kicking in a door.
16:02 Speaker 01 Right.
16:02 Speaker 00 Where the police using one of their battering rams or whatever that thing's called to, you know, bust a door open.
16:10 Speaker 01 A doorbuster.
16:11 Speaker 00 Or a doorbuster, which is very different than a dustbuster.
16:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, different, used for different reasons. You used a dustbuster afterwards to clean up the mess.
16:21 Speaker 00 She said the bedroom had been ransacked. She saw Sydney's body on the bed and immediately ran out of the house. And I think that's probably the first thought on most people's minds when they walk into a home and see a dead body. I'm getting the heck out of here for a couple of different reasons. First of all, you got to find what you might consider a safe space. You don't know if someone's still in there.
16:50 Speaker 01 That's true.
16:51 Speaker 00 And you know, you have to call the authorities, but do you want to do it from inside the home when you don't really know what's going on? And I would say for me, probably not. I'm going to call the authorities, but I'm going to get out of this house and maybe back up a little bit so I can see what's going on. Sydney's body was visible on the bed, but Billy was covered by a blanket. It was a gruesome crime scene. The couple had been beaten and stabbed to death. A knife was found embedded in Billy's eye. This is an 83 year old woman.
17:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:28 Speaker 00 And somebody felt the need to stab her directly in her eye.
17:34 Speaker 01 Sicko.
17:35 Speaker 00 Sydney's cause of death was determined to be homicide by strangulation and blunt force injuries. Billy died of sharp and blunt force injuries and strangulation. Investigators found a shoe print in the carpet near a gas bedroom door. Similar to the Kathy Blair case, the jewelry box drawers had been removed, emptied and left on the floor. So because of these similarities, investigators became worried. They were dealing with a serial killer. They tried to keep this information private to avoid causing fear. Cause you know, it's going to be on the news, right?
18:14 Speaker 01 Sure it is.
18:14 Speaker 00 There's multiple murders, but there's murders on the news every day.
18:19 Speaker 01 Unfortunately.
18:20 Speaker 00 I'm not making light of it.
18:22 Speaker 01 No.
18:23 Speaker 00 But when they come on the news and say, we believe we have a potential serial killer in your area. Okay. Now people's ears start to perk up.
18:34 Speaker 01 Yeah. Cause it's different odds now.
18:36 Speaker 00 Well, I think when, you know, you're watching the news, or even if it's on in the background and you see a report about someone being murdered. But you don't know the circumstances. You don't know who they are. It doesn't, I don't want to say it doesn't mean anything to you because every life is precious, but you don't have a direct connection with it.
18:59 Speaker 01 Right.
19:00 Speaker 00 And you might make the assumption that, well, they were into drugs or they were at the, the wrong place at the wrong time, or they were targeted by someone they knew.
19:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:10 Speaker 00 When you start talking serial killer, then it becomes, well, that could be me.
19:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:16 Speaker 00 Because the serial killer may not be discriminating or may not be choosing their targets based on anything but randomness. And that's very, very scary.
19:30 Speaker 01 Or. Even worse, you could say, I match the description of the others. So that puts me at the top of the list and I don't like that.
19:40 Speaker 00 Yeah. Obviously, when you go back to something like the Ted Bundy case, you know, and it was learned that he was killing all of these women with kind of, you know, straight, dark hair. Women started going out and changing up their hair. They were cutting it. They were dying it. They were doing anything they could not to look like
20:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:04 Speaker 00 his perverted victim type.
20:06 Speaker 01 Sure, yeah.
20:07 Speaker 00 Authorities determined that Kathy Blair had no connection to the Sheltons and none of the victims had any known enemies. I think everybody knows. We've probably even talked about it, right? Most people are killed by someone they know. That's just a fact. The statistics, you know, prove it out. It doesn't mean that there are not serial killers or they're not stranger murders because there are. But I think it's the reason why police start with people closest to the victims because by and large, that's who normally commits most murders. Someone known to the victim.
20:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's been proven. So why wouldn't you work? Why wouldn't you want to work that angle?
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23:22 Speaker 00 Investigators needed to figure out if there was a possible link between the murders. A potential suspect was identified. Almost three weeks after Kathy was murdered, Kathy's landlord told the police he hired 49 year old Timothy Parlin and his brother in May 2014 to do some landscaping on the property. And Kathy complained about his work. Parlin was fired. A friend reported that Parlin was weird and rude, according to 48 Hours. Okay, could that be a motive for murder? You know, you complained about me. I got fired. I'm going to get back at you.
24:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, it cost me my job.
24:08 Speaker 00 Also, a background check revealed Parlin spent decades in prison for burglary, specifically jewelry theft.
24:16 Speaker 01 And we know that was what was stolen at the two homes, jewelry.
24:21 Speaker 00 So they had to be very suspicious of this guy. Detectives Kerry Scanlon and Derek Israel approached Tim Parlin and told him they were trying to solve the murder of Kathy Blair. Parlin asked how Kathy died. To them, it seemed like this guy was trying to figure out what they already knew. And that wouldn't be all that strange for, you know, some people, especially guilty people, to kind of ask questions of the police to find out what they know. Are they zeroing in on a suspect? What details do they have?
25:01 Speaker 01 I mean, you want to gauge it. They could want to gauge it.
25:04 Speaker 00 Hmm. Yeah, I'm glad you changed it up that way.
25:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:08 Speaker 00 At this time, Parlin and his wife were living at an extended stay hotel called the In-Town Suites. He didn't allow the detective to search his room and claimed his wife was sleeping inside. The detectives returned on December 30th, 2014. Parlin's wife was home alone and allowed a search of the room. She informed them that they knew Billy and Sidney Shelton from their church. According to Parlin versus State, Parlin's brother was a deacon at the church and had also done some handiwork for the Sheltons, at times assisted by Tim.
25:47 Speaker 00 Parlin had also lived with his brother at one point, who lived on the same street as the Sheltons. Okay. Pretty good connection here to this Tim Parlin guy.
26:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, he got him in and around the area.
26:03 Speaker 00 He knows the victims. Like you said, he's in the area. We already heard that he spent a lengthy amount of time in prison for jewelry theft. The police have to be salivating over this guy.
26:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think they're pretty happy that they have a decent lead.
26:22 Speaker 00 Inside the hotel room, detectives found a pawn receipt for a jewelry pendant, one of the pieces missing from Kathy's home. The receipt was also timestamped for the evening of December 6, 2014, less than 24 hours after Kathy was murdered.
26:42 Speaker 01 All right, now the detectives have to be pretty pumped.
26:46 Speaker 00 Well, he's just looking better and better, right? As a suspect. Tim Parlin was in custody on December 30th for driving without a license. He was questioned and denied any knowledge of the murders. He was given a citation and released from custody. So that was kind of a stroke of luck that, you know, he got taken into custody. They go in, they can question him, but they didn't, they didn't get anything out of him. And it wasn't a serious crime, so he had to be released.
27:17 Speaker 01 Right.
27:18 Speaker 00 He was a strong suspect, but the only detail that didn't add up was the vehicle. Parlin drove a van, and the neighbor's infrared video showed a car. On January 1st, 2015, the police spoke to Parlin's sister, Edie. Edie said Parlin gave all of their family members jewelry for Christmas. She explained that she loaned her Toyota Camry to her brother in November 2014 because someone stole his van. He returned the car on December 26th, 2014, and her Camry was very similar to the outline of the vehicle captured in the infrared video.
28:00 Speaker 01 You hear that, you get kind of excited as a investigator.
28:03 Speaker 00 Well, it just seems as though everything they find out about this guy, it's just lining up. You know, who gives every member of their family jewelry? And I'm assuming these didn't come in boxes from, you know, Zales or Macy's or some jewelry store.
28:24 Speaker 01 Hey, I got something for you. Just pick a hand, left or right?
28:29 Speaker 00 It's just a gift bag full of jewelry.
28:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, enjoy.
28:33 Speaker 00 The same Camry was also captured approaching the pawn shop on December 6, 2014. Edie signed a form allowing a search and seizure of her car. A brown stain on the passenger seat and floorboard was identified as Kathy Blair's blood. So, I mean, we keep saying they're feeling better and better. I think at this point detectives felt ready to question Parlin and try to elicit a confession. He was arrested again on January 2nd for possession of a controlled substance and a parole violation. Hold Detective Derek Israel interviewed him and questioned him about the blood stains in the car.
29:18 Speaker 00 Israel told Parlin that they knew he killed Kathy Blair, but he insisted he didn't do it. He provided an alibi that turned out to be false. Shocker.
29:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
29:31 Speaker 00 For a while, he refused to say who was involved, but after several hours of questioning, he finally said, okay, I'll tell you who it was. Shawn Gan Benalcazar, but police didn't believe it. And why would they? He's lied.
29:49 Speaker 01 Sure.
29:50 Speaker 00 Everything that they have is pointing towards him. And all of a sudden, he conveniently offers up, you know, this other guy. They thought he acted alone, but prosecutors required them to eliminate Shawn as a suspect before they could charge Parlin with murder. And that makes sense, right? Because what is the first thing his defense attorney is going to do?
30:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're gonna call out this other individual and say reasonable doubt.
30:22 Speaker 00 And as the police, if you didn't even check this guy out, if you didn't talk to him, if you didn't verify his alibi, that's not going to look great in court.
30:31 Speaker 01 No.
30:32 Speaker 00 Parlin remained in jail for parole violation and detectives contacted Sean, a 30-year-old former high school science teacher, lived in Galveston, Texas. He had no criminal record. Detective Derek Israel told Sean that Parlin had implicated him in the murder and they needed to eliminate him as a suspect. Sean seemed eager to cooperate with the investigation and agreed to meet at the Galveston Police Department on January 9th, 2015.
31:06 Speaker 01 I mean, who wouldn't say, okay, let's clear me out because I definitely didn't do any of that.
31:10 Speaker 00 Did you say clear me out?
31:14 Speaker 00 Because that has a very different connotation to me than I think what you mean to say.
31:21 Speaker 00 Let's clear, let's clear this up.
31:24 Speaker 01 Uh, let's clear this up.
31:25 Speaker 00 Okay.
31:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, we'll leave the clear me out for later.
31:28 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:30 Speaker 00 But I agree with you. Now, if he did have something to do with it, well, then you're, you're worried. But if he didn't, you're like, hey, yeah, let's just go ahead and get this over with so I can be eliminated and you can move on. But I just wonder when the detective says, we just need to eliminate you as a suspect. I almost took that to mean, we don't believe it's you. We believe that Parlin acted alone, but we have to do this, right? We have to eliminate you as a suspect, but we're not really looking all that hard.
32:06 Speaker 01 No.
32:07 Speaker 00 But Sean's interview lasted five hours. He claimed he barely knew Tim Parlin. They met a few months earlier because his sister was dating Parlin's nephew. Sean admitted he'd been to Austin a few times over the past month during the weekends of both murders. And he said he stayed with Tim during those visits.
32:30 Speaker 01 But I hardly know him, but I stayed with him.
32:33 Speaker 00 Yeah. Barely knowing someone, I guess, is a matter of degrees. What does barely mean? You met for one time for 30 minutes?
32:43 Speaker 01 Right.
32:44 Speaker 00 Or you've known this person for six months and you've stayed at their house 13 times?
32:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's a little different.
32:52 Speaker 00 It's a little subjective, though, also. Sean said in his interview, the thing is, honestly, I want to help you guys out because this guy, wolf in sheep's clothing, basically, he didn't tell me anything about his past, and I'm starting to feel like he set me up like a patsy or something. Yeah, I don't know when that started. It should have began when the police said, hey, this guy implicated you in these murders. But I said this was a five-hour interview. And as the hours passed, Sean revealed more information. He admitted he was in the passenger seat when Parlin went into Kathy Blair's home. He was asked
33:36 Speaker 00 how blood got onto the passenger seat, and he said Parlin returned to the car with a bloody pillowcase and threw it onto the passenger side floorboard. Sean looked in it and saw jewelry, but he didn't want anything to do with it. Okay, that does not explain how blood got on to the passenger seat. Maybe in the act of him throwing the pillowcase, it hit. I don't know. If you're sitting in the seat, how is it getting behind you as he's throwing it onto the floorboard? I was having a hard time understanding that.
34:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:13 Speaker 00 Also, you know, as he's talking about this, yeah, bloody pillowcase, I looked in it, I saw jewelry, I didn't want anything to do with it. But did you question Tim about this? Hey, what's this bloody suitcase? First of all, why is it bloody? And what's all this jewelry? Sean asked to use the restroom. About four hours into the interview, Detective Kerry Scalen noticed that his walk was similar to the man in the infrared video. And I'm getting a real like Bigfoot vibe here.
34:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:49 Speaker 00 You know, you ever see some of the fake Bigfoot videos or reportedly fake?
34:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:56 Speaker 00 Bigfoot videos, I'm using my air quotes now. You know, you got a certain walk.
35:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, like kind of stiff legged.
35:04 Speaker 00 In each one, you know. Now, we don't know how the real Bigfoot would walk, so we don't know how to compare.
35:12 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, that shows you on the video how he walks.
35:16 Speaker 00 But it's just so interesting when you go back to this kind of thermal infrared video thing. You can't see the person's face, but obviously you can see the movements. And this detective is really picking up on something. The detectives continued asking Sean if he went into Kathy Blair's house. He finally admitted, I was scared and you know, he, he was taking a threatening tone. He told me to go in the house and get the stuff. So we just got done, you know, kind of doing our Patreon episode.
35:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:55 Speaker 00 That dropped on Saturday. And we went through this where, you know, you had a number of suspects who just kept changing their story. Every time the police confronted them with a certain piece of information. Okay, well, wait a minute, I got something for that. Let me change my story so that it now fits with what you're telling me.
36:21 Speaker 01 Oh, you mean on that day this happened? Oh yeah, that's the day I actually did that. I was thinking it was the day before. I just got my days mixed up.
36:31 Speaker 00 Sean confessed that he went into the house and stole jewelry. He entered through an unlocked back door. He said, I looked around and kind of prowled and stuck in quietly. I turned on a couple of lights in rooms where I didn't see her. I found the room where she was and she was fast asleep. That was the room her jewelry box was in. And so I opened the jewelry box, took the stuff out, put it in the thing. Maybe he went back, I don't know, but I didn't kill her. And this is the other thing that you kind of often see is.
37:11 Speaker 00 Okay, how much of the truth can I tell to make it seem believable while still leaving out the parts that really make me look guilty?
37:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:23 Speaker 00 Cause I think that's a big part.
37:25 Speaker 01 Sure it is.
37:25 Speaker 00 Of what people tried to do.
37:28 Speaker 01 I mean, they're definitely going to try to control the narrative.
37:31 Speaker 00 But as you can imagine, right, the detectives continued pushing Sean. And I want to play a video from part of the interview. Cause I think it's, it's probably the most important part.
37:45 Speaker 02 She woke up, she lunged at me, grabbed the knife, started trying to wrestle it out of my hand. And then it was a struggle and I stabbed her in the neck. I, I didn't even want to do it. I was just, it was, I was trying to get the jewelry without doing it.
38:08 Speaker 00 Okay. So yeah, we've changed quite a bit, right? Sean has from his original statement to his changed statement. Now he's confessing to killing.
38:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:22 Speaker 00 Kathy. But I, I thought it was so strange where he said, you know, I really didn't want to do it. I was trying to get the jewelry without killing her, but I ended up stabbing her in the neck.
38:34 Speaker 01 Cause that damn jewelry was more important than somebody's life.
38:38 Speaker 00 Well, and he claimed that after the murder, he gave all the jewelry to Parlin because he didn't want to keep it. So he didn't want to kill, but he wanted the jewelry, but then he didn't want to keep the jewelry.
38:51 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, unless he just felt so guilty for what he did, he just wanted to get rid of it.
38:59 Speaker 00 The next goal of the interview was figuring out what Sean knew about the murders of Sydney and Billy Shelton. Sean claimed he didn't know anything and the interview ended. Tim Parlin was questioned again on January 16th and was told about Sean's confession. Parlin agreed to go for a drive to show the police where Sean allegedly disposed of property after the murder and to take a detective to the scene of a prior burglar. During the drive, he made statements implicating himself as an accomplice to the burglaries and the murder. Well, and how can he not?
39:39 Speaker 00 I mean, if you're taking police to show them where the spoils of your burglaries and the murder were disposed of, well, how do you know that information? You have to be implicating yourself somehow.
39:55 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
39:56 Speaker 00 According to Parlin versus State, Parlin took the police to a bridge over a creek and described how Sean put clothing, shoes, and other bloodstained items into a grocery bag for disposal. He tried to ask Sean about what he did. Sean allegedly said he put the knife to their face or in their face, then went back to put his foot in her face. Parlin denied being present during Kathy's murder, but recalled that Sean told him he kicked him using the bottom of his foot. He didn't identify the man Sean said he kicked.
40:36 Speaker 00 Parlin said Sean chose to kill Kathy because he felt he was not treated fairly on the landscaping job and wanted to get back at her landlord.
40:48 Speaker 01 This time I'm going to get back at the landlord. I'm going to kill the people that rent.
40:54 Speaker 00 Take the life of an innocent person or innocent individuals, that'll really show the landlord.
41:01 Speaker 01 Exactly. Makes a lot of sense.
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42:30 Speaker 00 So I know everything there is to know about these burglaries, the murders. I just didn't kill anyone myself.
42:40 Speaker 01 Right.
42:41 Speaker 00 But the whole time, again, he's implicating himself. He's giving so much away that he was a part of it. Detective Derek Israel told 48 hours Sean murdered the Sheltons. Tim Parlin was a party to that murder. He planned it. He facilitated it. He profited from it. He assisted in it. After the arrests were announced, authorities said Sean killed Kathy Blair while trying to steal her jewelry. Parlin's role was still under Investigation in late January 2015, the Austin police revealed that the men were linked to the Shelton murders. However, there was no forensic evidence linking Sean to the Shelton
43:26 Speaker 00 murders. So he could still deny killing the couple prosecutors chose to charge Sean with only the murder of Kathy Blair because they had a confession. He was indicted for capital murder on March 26, 2015. And I think the confession, it's pretty strong.
43:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think so too.
43:48 Speaker 00 And I think anytime you hear the suspect or the, the person on trial say in their own words, this is what I did. This is how I killed the victim.
43:58 Speaker 01 Right.
43:59 Speaker 00 That is powerful stuff. But now he hasn't admitted to killing the Sheltons. He hasn't confessed to it. They really don't have much on him. Other than the word of Tim Parlin, that's going to be tough to prosecute because that guy already has demonstrated that his credibility is shit.
44:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, he's not honorable.
44:23 Speaker 00 No. And he was a part of it. Tim Parlin was indicted for all three murders on June 2nd, 2015. His charges included three counts of capital murder in commission of burglary, one count of serial capital murder, and one count of multiple capital murders. He was also indicted for burglary that occurred on November 30th, 2014. This is kind of interesting, right? The police believe that it's Sean Ganbinalkazar who actually murdered Kathy and the Sheltons. But yet, Tim Parlin gets charged with a lot more than Sean does.
45:08 Speaker 01 He does.
45:09 Speaker 00 But he also admitted to being involved in all of it.
45:12 Speaker 01 Was, and that probably plays a very large role.
45:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, where Sean only has admitted to being involved in Kathy's murder. Sean's murder trial started on April 2nd, 2018.
45:25 Speaker 01 Took a while.
45:26 Speaker 00 You know, we talk about that all the time. You know, and this was actually pre-COVID, so you can't blame it on that. It's just sometimes the wheels of justice, they take a while. And there's so many motions and there's time for discovery. There's delays, there's this and that. It seems like a couple of years is now kind of like the standard before someone goes on trial for murder.
45:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:55 Speaker 00 The jury heard about all the evidence found at the scene, including a bloody shoe print. That was the same brand and size worn by Sean. Kathy's cause of death was revealed at trial. Travis County Medical Examiner Dr. Lisha Wood concluded she died from multiple sharp wounds and asphyxiation. Neighbor Rob Leaf testified about the video he recorded on the night of the murder. And Kathy's son testified about finding his mother's body. And there is some video of Kathy's son on the witness stand. It's tough stuff.
46:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, it really is.
46:37 Speaker 00 You know, he's older by the time that, you know, this trial takes place, but still just him describing finding his mother. It's, uh, it's, it's tear jerking stuff, no doubt about it. The prosecution's case was primarily based on Sean's confession, which was presented to the jury. The defense argued the confession was coerced and that Sean was threatened by detectives in the hallway when he asked for a bathroom break, which was not recorded. Sean also got on the stand to discuss the alleged threats. And I have a clip of Sean on the stand that I want to play and then we'll talk about that.
47:22 Speaker 02 I felt like I had to confess to this crime that I didn't commit and.
47:32 Speaker 02 If I didn't, the questioning was just going to continue. And even if I just stopped saying anything, I had been led to believe that that I they would quote unquote, prove that I had done it regardless of what I said.
47:44 Speaker 03 Sean, did you go into Kathy Blair's home?
47:48 Speaker 02 No, I did not.
47:48 Speaker 03 Have you ever gone to her house?
47:50 Speaker 02 No, I have not.
47:51 Speaker 03 Did you kill Kathy Blair?
47:52 Speaker 02 No, I did not.
47:54 Speaker 00 He also testified per 48 hours, their exact words were, this is important and we're not, you're not going anywhere until we finish. That if I didn't explain a reason for having done it, even though I didn't do it, I would get the death penalty. Right? So he's talking about these threats, but you heard him in the clip. He's asked by his, one of his defense attorneys, you know, were you there? No. Have you ever been there? No. Did you kill Kathy Blair? No. Which is obviously far different than what he said in the video, of course.
48:32 Speaker 00 Sean insisted that Tim Parlin killed Kathy Blair. According to KVUE, Sean testified, he said that I guess he had hit something approaching the bed. He hit something with his foot and caused her to wake up. He said that there was a struggle over the night and that he stabbed her neck and that she had kicked him and he grabbed her by the legs and pulled her off the bed. Parlin allegedly told him, you're not going to say anything about it because I used your knife. So if you say something about it, that's going to get to
49:08 Speaker 00 the cops. So there's two things for me here. One is that could Sean be testifying that what Parlin said happened was actually what happened to Sean while he was in that house? Right? Did he kick the bed? Did he wake Kathy up? He's just phrasing it as though, you know, Parlin told him this.
49:35 Speaker 01 Right.
49:35 Speaker 00 And then the second thing is him saying that Tim used his knife. Okay. I know your number one rule is you never loan anyone one of your knives.
49:50 Speaker 01 Never. Ever.
49:52 Speaker 01 Not even my butter knife.
49:53 Speaker 00 After 19 hours of deliberation, the judge declared a mistrial on April 12th, 2018. Tim Parlin was scheduled to go to trial next for the murders of Kathy Blair and Billy and Sidney Shelton. His trial began on May 15th, 2018. Prosecutors argued that Parlin conspired to commit the burglaries and murders and had connections to all three victims. As mentioned, he knew Kathy Blair because he did landscaping at her home and he knew the Sheltons because they attended the same church. And his wife had done in-home massages for Billy Shelton, per KXAN.
50:35 Speaker 00 So he did have apparently, you know, quite a bit of connections to all three of the victims. Prosecutors argued that per Texas law, the jury could convict him of capital murder. Even if he didn't go in the house because he participated in the crime. Investigators still believed Sean was the killer, but they didn't have enough evidence against him in the Shelton case. Tim Parlin admitted that he drove Sean to both homes, but his defense argued there was no evidence. He entered either home. Sean acted alone. But to me, Gibbs, it's not great when you admit that you even drove
51:15 Speaker 01 No.
51:16 Speaker 00 the person to the murder scene and that you knew. Now, if you're saying, well, I just gave him a ride. I didn't know about it. But it seems like he had admitted to way more than that.
51:27 Speaker 01 Sure did.
51:29 Speaker 00 In closing arguments, the prosecution called Parlin the mastermind behind the murders. Tim Parlin was found guilty on May 25th, 2018 and received a mandatory sentence of life without parole.
51:44 Speaker 01 Wow. Didn't mess around, did they?
51:46 Speaker 00 No. And I'm sure he was not happy because, you know, the guy who he believed, and even prosecutors believed, killed all three of these people, still has yet to be convicted. But Sean's retrial started on October 24th, 2018. The defense argued that Parlin deliberately developed a relationship with Sean with the goal of getting him to conspire with him. They conceded Parlin convinced Sean to commit a burglary, but it was not the burglary of Kathy Blair's home. The prosecution's evidence was similar to the first trial and included Sean's recorded confession.
52:29 Speaker 00 Once again, the prosecution argued that Parlin was the mastermind and Sean was the sick and twisted person he chose to carry out the attack against Kathy Blair. The defense argued the confession was coerced. The prosecution countered that Sean spoke about details only the killer would know, including the fact that Kathy was killed with a knife and had multiple stab wounds to the neck.
52:58 Speaker 01 Which is a strong point.
53:00 Speaker 00 Yeah, I would say it is. But let's just say for a minute that the confession was coerced. I don't believe it was in this case, but let's say it was. Then part of that, to me, would be the police feeding the person details of the crime that only they knew.
53:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:23 Speaker 00 That makes their confession even more believable. And I'm sure the defense argued part of that as well. On November 2nd, 2018, Sean was convicted of capital murder and was sentenced to life in prison without parole. So they essentially got the same sentences. I think the difference was Sean was never convicted of anything having to do with the murder of the Sheltons. They didn't have, they just didn't have the evidence.
53:53 Speaker 01 They couldn't lock him down on that.
53:55 Speaker 00 But they were sure that he not only killed Kathy Blair, he killed the Sheltons as well. Both Tim and Sean appealed their sentences.
54:05 Speaker 00 48 Hours spoke to Shawn in a video call. He maintained that his confession was coerced and Tim killed Kathy Blair. He said, "When I went to go see him at 4:00 a.m., he said, "Well, we're gonna go get breakfast and drove me out to the place and then said that he had killed her and told me about it." Shawn was asked how he could have known the movements of the killer and explained, "Anything that I said was something that either, you know, Tim told me or I just made up."
54:37 Speaker 01 Made some of it up.
54:39 Speaker 00 It just happened to be the right details?
54:42 Speaker 01 Sometimes people get things right.
54:44 Speaker 00 Tim Parlin also spoke to 48 Hours and claimed to have no knowledge of Kathy's murder. He claimed that Shawn was silent and stone cold when he returned to the car that night. He was told he'd been described as a master manipulator, but said he had a low IQ and a big heart. And there's not many times that people want to admit they have a low IQ, but this is one where it could potentially help you.
55:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's true.
55:13 Speaker 00 So, you know, you might want to play into it. Hey, I'm just letting you know, I am not that bright.
55:19 Speaker 01 I mean, I'd be like, hey, I know people think I'm Mensa, but my IQ is only 142.
55:27 Speaker 00 There's no way I could have pulled all this off.
55:30 Speaker 01 Exactly.
55:31 Speaker 00 Tim Parlin's conviction was affirmed on November 27th, 2019. Shawn's appeal was denied on November 13th, 2020. So Gibbs, as we wrap this one up, it is somewhat of a strange case in that you have two people who I don't think there's any doubt were working together in some capacity. Now, exactly what that capacity was is a little hard to pin down.
56:03 Speaker 01 Sure it is.
56:04 Speaker 00 No doubt, authorities believe Shawn was the killer. There are still questions as to why a man with no previous criminal record would commit three murders in such a short time span. And we said it, right? Shawn had no previous criminal record. Tim, on the other hand, he had a whole laundry list of charges that he had racked up over the years. Does it absolutely mean that someone, you know, couldn't start committing crimes, even committing murders? I would say the answer is no, right? Everybody has to start somewhere.
56:44 Speaker 01 Could you also say, is it possible someone has been committing crimes, just never got caught and has no record?
56:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, I think that's entirely possible. It is true that most of the time, you know, when we're talking about these types of killers, they have a long rap sheet, right? There's evidence of them doing things as kids, as young adults. But I think it is possible that someone was maybe doing it, but just good at getting away with it. And so they actually didn't have a record. The problem, I think, as it relates to Shawn Gant, the now Kazar, is that, you know, all the different sources that we use for this episode, in them, there just wasn't much on his background, like you would find with a, you know, a big time serial killer.
57:38 Speaker 00 So, you know, what was the guy's motive? Was it all about getting his hands on jewelry and him just kind of killing in the process? Or did he enjoy killing, as most serial killers do? I don't know the answer to that question.
57:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:59 Speaker 00 You know, you could make the argument. That you go in to rob a place, you encounter resistance and then a murder takes place, or that a person goes in to kill, they're going to do that regardless.
58:15 Speaker 01 Sure they are.
58:16 Speaker 00 While they're at it, they're going to help themselves to jewelry and whatever else they can find.
58:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, I'm in here, let me grab some of this bounty.
58:25 Speaker 00 You've already committed the greatest sin.
58:27 Speaker 01 You have.
58:28 Speaker 00 So.
58:29 Speaker 01 What's stealing after that?
58:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, stealing is kind of an afterthought almost, but I don't really know what the truth is. Obviously, the jury thought there was enough evidence against both of these guys in the murder of Kathy Blair. And in the case of Tim, he opened his mouth so much, I think, in trying to blame Sean.
58:55 Speaker 01 Sure, yeah.
58:56 Speaker 00 That he, he kind of condemned himself as it related to the Sheltons.
59:03 Speaker 01 He might have been better off just not saying anything.
59:06 Speaker 00 And most people are.
59:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:08 Speaker 00 I mean, that's something you've made abundantly clear many, many times.
59:12 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
59:13 Speaker 00 But that's it for our episode on Sean Gant Benalcazar. We've got some voicemails, Gibbs, you want to check those out?
59:20 Speaker 01 Let's hear them.
59:21 Speaker 04 Hey, Mike and Gibby, this is Aaron from South Louisiana. Big, a big fan of y'all's show. Um, if y'all ever do a show in South Louisiana and y'all can't pronounce any of the last names, give me a call or a ring, I could help you pronounce them. Also, uh, there's two cases that I think you guys should cover. I find very interesting. One is Ronald Dominique, known as the Bayou Strangler. He operated in South Louisiana, actually my hometown, for over 10 years. They could never catch the guy because whenever he'd kill him, they'd dump him in the swamps and the South Louisiana weather would make the bodies decompose very fast. So they could never really find him. Another case I think you guys should cover is the Red Ripper, Andre Chigatilo. He operated in Soviet Russia and
1:00:02 Speaker 04 he killed over 40 people. Two really interesting cases. But hopefully, hope y'all play on, y'all have a good one. Happy New Year.
1:00:10 Speaker 00 All right. So two big names there.
1:00:13 Speaker 01 Sure.
1:00:13 Speaker 00 Ronald Dominique, you and I were gonna do very early on, and I mean in like year one. But I think we ran into a series of Louisiana cases.
1:00:24 Speaker 01 We did.
1:00:24 Speaker 00 Like both TCAT and Ununsolved. And I kind of said, hey, we got to lay off Louisiana for a little bit. And then we just never came back around to him.
1:00:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:34 Speaker 00 So we need to bump him up the list. Chickatillo is fascinating, but there's so many details and he killed so many people. I don't know how many episodes it would take.
1:00:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:46 Speaker 00 To tell that story correctly. But they're both on the list, no doubt.
1:00:51 Speaker 01 We're doing.
1:00:52 Speaker 04 The Ohio State, baby. The Ohio State, baby. 2024 national champs. Oh, eh! That was Brad Chafin, running away from Columbus. How about them Buckeyes, baby? I love you, Mike and Gibby. Y'all my dudes, man. Y'all my dudes.
1:01:13 Speaker 04 Keep your own time ticking.
1:01:15 Speaker 00 All right, well, obviously I had to play that.
1:01:18 Speaker 01 Of course.
1:01:19 Speaker 00 Love you too.
1:01:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:20 Speaker 00 And it was a big week and that Buckeyes win was huge.
1:01:24 Speaker 01 It was gigantic.
1:01:26 Speaker 00 And we take a lot of pride in our sports teams. When I say us, I just mean everyone.
1:01:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:32 Speaker 00 So when your team wins it all, it's such a big deal.
1:01:36 Speaker 01 It is a big deal.
1:01:37 Speaker 00 But the thing about sports is there's only one team left.
1:01:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:42 Speaker 00 At the end of the long, grueling season.
1:01:45 Speaker 01 Right.
1:01:45 Speaker 00 So pretty much everyone else is unhappy and one team's fans are elated. And that's pretty much what sports is.
1:01:55 Speaker 01 We get bragging rights for a little bit.
1:01:56 Speaker 00 For a little bit. But it was cool. It was cool to watch.
1:02:00 Speaker 01 Love it.
1:02:01 Speaker 00 All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of True Crime All The Time. So for Mike. And Gibby. Stay safe and keep your own time ticking.
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