Pod Insights True Crime All The Time Brittanee Drexel Part 2 About this episode Brittanee Drexel was a teenager from New York State who went missing during a spring break trip in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Her case remained unsolved for years and sparked nationwide interest.
Join Mike and Gibby for the 2nd and final part of the case of Brittanee Drexel. In part two, we’ll learn how police used advances in technology to arrest a former person of interest finally, and how the case has unfolded in recent years.
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Transcript 0:34 Speaker 00 Hello everyone and welcome to episode 464 of the True Crime All the Time Podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you?
0:44 Speaker 01 Hey, I'm doing good and you?
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0:58 Speaker 01 That's true. Again, I'm just reading off the cue card you had here.
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2:15 Speaker 00 So Gibbs, we have an episode out right now on True Crime All the Time on Salt. We're talking about 18 year old Andre Jones from Jackson, Mississippi. He was arrested at a sobriety checkpoint just days before he was supposed to start his freshman year of college. And then not long after his arrest, he was found hanging in a prison shower. This is one of those cases where, you know, the authorities kind of have their official theory, but the family doesn't buy it. They don't believe it at all. They believe, you know, this was a lynching disguised as a suicide.
2:55 Speaker 01 That's true. That's what they believe.
2:56 Speaker 00 So make sure you check that out. All right. Are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime All the Time?
3:03 Speaker 01 I am.
3:03 Speaker 00 We're on to the second and final part on Brittany Drexel. In part one, we covered Brittany's trip to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, who she spent her final days with, and the early suspects in the investigation. And, you know, there's no doubt she, you know, kind of tried to pull the wool over her mom's eyes, right? She really wanted to go on this trip. And so she came up with a story that she was staying at a friend's lake house, but in reality, she was in Myrtle Beach.
3:39 Speaker 01 And we've all been there before.
3:40 Speaker 00 Yeah, a lot of us have. I would say most of us have done something, maybe, like I said, maybe not to this level.
3:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:48 Speaker 00 But some, something along these lines.
3:51 Speaker 01 If you've been a parent long enough, you've probably had something like this similar pulled on you.
3:58 Speaker 00 That you may not learn about until your kids are full grown adults.
4:03 Speaker 01 And they feel comfortable now telling you?
4:05 Speaker 00 Yes, my daughter, my oldest daughter has made some revelations that. Are shocking to my wife and I.
4:13 Speaker 01 You're like, who are you?
4:15 Speaker 00 Yes, exactly. So in part two, you know, we're going to talk about how police used advances in technology to make an arrest and also how the case has unfolded in recent years because there's a there's a lot going on. On May 4th, 2022, authorities arrested 62 year old Raymond Moody on an obstruction charge. Authorities confirmed his arrest on May 10th. And we talked about Moody, you know, quite a bit in episode one. Documents listed Moody's offense date as the same day that Brittany went missing. He was granted bond that day, but remained in detention.
4:58 Speaker 00 On May 11th, Brittany's remains were found in a wooded area along Old Town Avenue in Harmony Township. The property is located near a subdivision that was in its early stages and mostly undeveloped at the time of Brittany's disappearance. She was found about two and a half miles from the motel where Raymond Moody was living at the time. Authorities announced the discovery of the remains on May 16th after they were identified through dental records. And I, and I just want to go back and kind of talk about the roller coaster that, you know, her family was on this entire time.
5:38 Speaker 00 And now all of a sudden, okay, you've got somebody arrested and then they find her remains. I mean, it's just a lot to process.
5:47 Speaker 01 It is.
5:48 Speaker 00 I can't imagine going through that. I hope I never have to. I wish nobody had to, but obviously it does happen. Raymond Moody was charged with murder, kidnapping, and first degree criminal sexual conduct.
6:04 Speaker 00 Warrant stated that Moody allegedly caused Brittany's death by manual strangulation and sexually battered Brittany. According to the prosecutor, evidence showed Brittany was raped and killed at the Santee River and her body was taken to Old Town Avenue. And you know, that's the other thing, right? The family, you're dealing with the fact that it's confirmed your daughter is no longer alive.
6:33 Speaker 01 Right.
6:33 Speaker 00 Probably something that went through people's heads. I'm, I'm sure it has to as time goes by, but then you have to learn all of the sordid details.
6:46 Speaker 01 All the horrific stuff.
6:47 Speaker 00 And that's gotta be just brutal.
6:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:51 Speaker 00 And then, you know, even worse, when you get to court, because it is going to be very in-depth. There could be photographs. You're going to have people talking.
7:01 Speaker 01 Explicit details?
7:03 Speaker 00 Yes. And in graphic detail about what happened to your daughter.
7:08 Speaker 01 I think it'd be so hard to sit there and just listen to that.
7:11 Speaker 00 Well, I think a lot of family members get up at certain points if they're showing, you know, very graphic photographs and things like that. And I don't blame them one bit. That would be extremely tough to take. On May 18th, authorities announced that Raymond Moody had confessed to the murder. Moody had an interview with investigators on May 5th and admitted what he did. And he was the one who actually led investigators to Brittany's body. Prosecutor Jimmy Richardson said Moody was the only suspect and that his arrest for obstructing justice was a way to get him locked up. They knew he did it, but they
7:51 Speaker 00 wanted to be able to prove it. After the body was found, News 13 asked the FBI for a statement regarding the alligator pit allegations and whether Deshaun Taylor was still connected. And this is fascinating. We, we spent quite a bit of time in episode one talking about it. How many different people came forward and implicated this Deshaun Taylor?
8:16 Speaker 01 Oh, several.
8:16 Speaker 00 Said that there was an alligator pit involved and that's where, you know, Brittany's body was disposed of. Well, obviously, once Moody confesses and leads them to her body, all of that pretty much is debunked.
8:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, it gets kind of tossed out the window, doesn't it?
8:37 Speaker 00 The FBI responded with the following. Throughout the investigation, law enforcement followed multiple leads to wherever they led us, based on the information we had at the time. We have an obligation to follow leads to their conclusion. The person we believe is responsible for Brittany's murder has been charged. So they're not coming out and saying, we now know Deshaun Taylor wasn't involved, but you can read between the lines.
9:05 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
9:06 Speaker 00 Later that month, the Georgetown County coroner said Brittany's cause of death was undetermined. Manual strangulation couldn't be confirmed due to the condition of the remains. And unfortunately, that's something that, you know, we see quite a bit. Depending on how long it takes to, to find somebody's remains, there is a good chance, the longer it goes on, the less is going to be able to be determined. And if you just have skeletal remains, yeah, you can look for a fracture in the hyoid bone. You can look for nicks, let's say, from a knife on bone.
9:48 Speaker 00 But if you don't find any of those things, pretty hard to figure out. I mean, obviously you're not seeing a bullet hole in the, the skull.
9:58 Speaker 01 Right, right.
9:59 Speaker 00 Without those type of things, makes it pretty tough.
10:03 Speaker 01 Pretty much just speculation.
10:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, to be 100% certain, right, how a person died.
10:09 Speaker 00 On October 19th, 2022, Raymond Moody pleaded guilty to murder, kidnapping, and first degree criminal sexual conduct. He was given a life sentence for murder in 30 years each for the other charges. The obstruction charge was dropped at sentencing.
10:28 Speaker 01 Well, they had him on everything else, so.
10:29 Speaker 00 Yeah, I think obstruction at that point, you know, oh yeah, we'll let that one go because we got you.
10:35 Speaker 01 Exactly.
10:36 Speaker 00 Moody said, as quoted by WBTDW, "I was a monster and I took Brittany Drexel's life and I don't have the words to express how horrible I feel and how I felt ever since that day. And I'm very sorry."
10:52 Speaker 01 Well, you're a monster.
10:54 Speaker 00 That part is undeniably true. He took Brittany Drexel's life. That part is true. Is he really sorry? You know, I mentioned on Patreon, the fact that I'm watching this show, Signs of a Psychopath. And, you know, they really go into great detail, analyzing people's words, things like that.
11:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's hard for me to really believe people are sorry at this point. But I do think occasionally, for whatever reason, people come around and realize what they did was extremely wrong. And they see it and they know. And I believe they are sorry.
11:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm sure it does happen. It's really hard to tell, though, you know, is it for show because you want people to believe you're sorry? Or are you just sorry that you got caught? So technically, you really are sorry.
11:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:52 Speaker 00 But you're not sorry for what you did. You're sorry for the where you are and where you ended up.
11:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:58 Speaker 00 In his statement, Chad Drexel described Brittany as very strong willed and strong minded. She was the leader among her friends and she liked to have the spotlight on her. The family suffered years of torture. After she went missing, Drexel called Moody a perverted, sick monster.
12:18 Speaker 01 Spot on.
12:19 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's kind of hard to argue with that description. Brittany's mother, Dawn, said, "You are a disgrace to your parents, to your own children, to your family, and any friends you have left. You are a serial rapist and child predator. You should be ashamed of your actions, especially having three daughters of your own. The criminal justice system has failed my daughter, as it continues to fail so many other victims. And frankly, Mr. Moody, it failed you, because you never should have been released from prison. You should have served the full 40-year sentence, but you walked after only serving 20 years and returned to your wicked ways. And my daughter paid for that with her own life."
13:03 Speaker 01 Wow. What she said was spot on.
13:06 Speaker 00 Well, you know, this is that argument or debate that a lot of people have. You and I have it. You know, when somebody gets a sentence and they're let out early, which happens all the time, just because you get 40 or 50 years, doesn't mean you're not eligible for parole at 20 or 25.
13:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:31 Speaker 00 And if you're good in prison and you do what you're supposed to do, okay, you could get let out. But when those people go on to do despicable acts, I think it's very easy to look back and say, "Well, they never should have been let out."
13:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's true.
13:47 Speaker 00 It's very easy.
13:48 Speaker 01 Yes.
13:49 Speaker 00 But there are people who are let out, who lead productive lives and never do anything. So, you know, how do you make the decision?
13:59 Speaker 01 That's tough, because it's a fair debate. It just makes me always wonder when these guys that do these terrible things to young women, when they have daughters around the same age.
14:10 Speaker 00 Yeah. That is tough, right? Because you would think, being dads of daughters ourselves, you treasure them. Their life is, you know, I'd put my own life ahead of my daughters. How could you go out and then take away somebody else's daughter?
14:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:33 Speaker 00 And it's just hard to understand. But like we always say, right? How do you, if you could understand it, what does that say about you?
14:42 Speaker 01 You know? You're exactly right.
14:44 Speaker 00 You can't get, you can try, you can discuss it, but you can't really be in the side of the minds of these people. Because if you thought that way, that would say something really bad about you. At the sentencing hearing, prosecutors laid out how investigators linked Moody to Brittany's murder. And, you know, we talked about this in part one. Moody was initially cleared when nothing of evidentiary value was found inside his residence at the Sunset Lodge during the 2011 search. But he was high on their radar, right? Moody was as a suspect.
15:25 Speaker 00 It wasn't until the spring of 2022, with the help of improved cellphone tracking technology, that investigators built a case against Moody's longtime girlfriend, Angel Voss, and then got Moody to take responsibility. In 2019 and 2020, investigators took a fresh look at surveillance footage from Ocean Boulevard and data from Brittany's phone. They tracked Brittany's movements by matching surveillance footage with cell tower pings. Her phone was moving at walking speed, but then began moving at a speed of 55 miles per hour, indicating she had gotten into a vehicle.
16:08 Speaker 00 Investigators identified a one-minute window of when she got into the car, and surveillance footage showed only one vehicle passing the location where her cell last pinged at a walking speed.
16:22 Speaker 01 It's amazing what technology can do.
16:24 Speaker 00 Yeah, I mean, you think about not having this early on in the investigation or it not being able to be used this way.
16:33 Speaker 01 Right.
16:34 Speaker 00 And then, as in all the cases that we talk about, right? Technology just continues to advance in leaps and bounds. But this one is really fascinating. You know, cell phone tower pings with her route and knowing, you know, within a 60 second window, let's say.
16:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:59 Speaker 00 When she stopped the walking speed and the driving speed started. And then to go back and find that that exact time in surveillance footage is just amazing.
17:13 Speaker 01 I think it's, uh, just shows you how far we've come. Kind of feel like it's that, uh, and I think I mentioned this in the past, that Tom Cruise movie where they moved.
17:23 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. Cause he's only made 700 movies. You mean that one?
17:26 Speaker 01 That one.
17:28 Speaker 00 Minority Report?
17:29 Speaker 01 Yes.
17:30 Speaker 00 You're moving your hands and somehow I get Minority Report from that. That was a good movie.
17:35 Speaker 01 It was.
17:36 Speaker 00 I liked it.
17:36 Speaker 01 I think they remade it. I don't remember who, but they they remade it.
17:40 Speaker 00 You sure?
17:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:41 Speaker 00 I don't think they did.
17:42 Speaker 01 I think they did.
17:43 Speaker 00 I don't believe so. I'm calling BS on that one. They've made a lot of, remade a lot of movies, but that I don't remember them remaking that one. If they did, I missed it.
17:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:54 Speaker 00 Somebody will leave a voicemail or write in and say, Ferg, you're wrong. Gibby's right, as he always is. So police were able to trace this vehicle to Moody, who, like we said, right, was already a person of interest. In April 2022, Angel Vaz agreed to help the FBI and wear a wire while talking to Moody. There was enough evidence to charge Vaz with accessory, but they chose to focus on Moody. And that doesn't surprise me at all, right? Accessory, not to say that that's, you know.
18:32 Speaker 00 Nothing, but you want the actual murderer. And if you have to make a deal with someone on an accessory charge, well, then that's what you do, right? To get their cooperation, to get them to help you. Prosecutor Jimmy Richardson said at a news conference, per WBTW, a lot of times is law enforcement. You have to make a deal with the getaway driver to get the armed robber. I don't mean to minimize this. She's got more to do. She would have been an accessory, but we had to proffer Angel. Prosecutors didn't believe Angel was present for the murder, but she was in the car on the way from Myrtle Beach to Georgetown County.
19:18 Speaker 00 And if you're in the car, right? When Brittany is picked up, you might not have committed the murder, but you had to have known something happened.
19:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, you are going to be associated with it for sure.
19:30 Speaker 00 Yeah. In his interview, Moody said Brittany got into the car willingly, and they drove to a campsite in Georgetown County. Prosecutors weren't able to verify this, but took his word to secure a conviction. Moody claimed that once there, they engaged in a consensual sexual act. Moody wanted to elevate the sex act, and that's when the kidnapping started. Moody admitted to raping Brittany. Once it was over, he realized that he would go back to jail. So he strangled her before taking her body to another site in the county to bury it in the woods. And this is what fascinates me, right? You know, what does the perpetrator have to say?
20:16 Speaker 00 I mean, he's admitting to the murder. He's also admitting to rape.
20:20 Speaker 01 Sure is.
20:21 Speaker 00 But he's starting out the story by saying, you know, I picked her up for a ride. We had consensual sex. And then I wanted to elevate things. So that's when the kidnapping occurred. You know, if I'm a juror, I don't know if I'm buying that at all.
20:42 Speaker 01 I'm saying BS all the way from the beginning.
20:44 Speaker 00 On the consensual part.
20:45 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
20:46 Speaker 00 Of things. Richardson said at the press conference, I don't believe everything that Moody said, but after 13 years, you've got to take what he said, corroborate what you can. It was enough to get rape, murder and kidnapping because we could corroborate a lot of his story. So I think he's kind of getting at what we were saying. You know, maybe they don't believe the consensual part of it, but it's not going to really matter when it comes down to the convictions.
21:19 Speaker 01 Cause they have enough to go ahead and move that direction.
21:21 Speaker 00 But this is what, you know, a lot of people like Moody do. Right. You know, they tell a story, some of which, in this case, a lot of which implicates him in very horrific crimes, but they also try to soften parts of it. It started out as me just giving her a ride and then, you know, we, we were fooling around and then things got out of hand when more likely than not, he only picked her up because he had this in his mind the entire time.
21:57 Speaker 01 Yeah. It was his intention.
21:59 Speaker 00 And there was no consensual sex whatsoever. He's just saying that to make him look less like a demon.
22:08 Speaker 01 Of course. Yeah. I'm not a monster. It just, things went sideways and I made some mistakes.
22:14 Speaker 00 Mistakes were made.
22:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:16 Speaker 00 As they would say in Call of Duty, when you accidentally forget to throw the grenade and blow yourself up.
22:23 Speaker 01 Oh.
22:23 Speaker 00 It says mistakes were made.
22:25 Speaker 01 I'd say that was definitely a mistake.
22:27 Speaker 00 Later that month, prosecutors released Moody's confession interview. He described how he was driving down Ocean Boulevard, smoking marijuana when he encountered Brittany, who commented that the marijuana smelled good. He offered her some, they chatted a little and he was surprised when she got in the car. Her phone kept going off while they were in the car, but he never told her she couldn't answer it. They drove to a campground. As stated by Moody, I made her take her clothes off. She was cooperative, but it was against her will. I started strangling her. I was in a panic. I didn't know what to do.
23:09 Speaker 01 How do you be cooperative about taking your clothes off, but against your will at the same time?
23:16 Speaker 00 Well, the only thing that I can think of, because that didn't make sense to me either, was that he's ordering her to do this, there's probably some threat behind it, and she's cooperating because she doesn't want to be hurt or killed. Maybe that's what he was saying, but not cooperative in that she wanted to have some, you know, sexual encounter with this nasty man.
23:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, because remember, he said, at first, it was consensual sex, and I'm thinking, what part of consensual is in that statement?
23:52 Speaker 00 Doesn't sound consensual at all.
23:53 Speaker 01 Not at all.
23:54 Speaker 00 And that's part of the reason why I think that was BS. He said, I was scared and she was scared. When asked what caused things to go wrong, he said, nothing. It was just my mind.
24:06 Speaker 01 You know, I'm sorry, but screw him to say, I was scared and she was scared. No, she was scared because what you were doing. What were you scared about?
24:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, screw him. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Because, again, is this just part of, you know, a sociopath, a psychopath, whatever, this person may be, you know, they tell these stories and they sprinkle in parts to make them look better, to kind of humanize them, when in fact, they're, they're monsters. You know, I was scared, she was scared. You're the one doing all this.
24:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:48 Speaker 00 Nobody would have been scared, right?
24:50 Speaker 01 Exactly. It seems like he's just looking for sympathy. You know, he's just a piece of shit at the end of the day.
24:54 Speaker 00 But, but that's what a lot of these people do. He strangled Brittany before she had a chance to escape, saying, I was all shook up because of what had happened. And the other thing is, it's all about him, right? I was scared. I was all shook up.
25:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:13 Speaker 00 Me, me, me, as opposed to, how's this poor girl feeling as I'm doing these terrible things to her?
25:21 Speaker 01 Such a narcissist.
25:23 Speaker 00 He said he didn't plan to hurt her, but it quote, "just happened."
25:27 Speaker 01 Well, it's going to happen when you put your hands around somebody's neck and keep squeezing.
25:31 Speaker 00 He said he left her under a tree, but returned and took it to the location where it was found. Yeah, let's go back to that. It just happened. I mean, that's like such a cop out thing to say to me. It just happened. You hear people say that when they cheat. You know, it just happened.
25:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:51 Speaker 00 There's a lot of things involved in, in that happening.
25:56 Speaker 01 Exactly.
25:57 Speaker 00 You know, if I fall down, okay, well, that just happened. I didn't plan it. You know, there weren't, there wasn't a lot involved in it. I tripped or whatever. But all these other things, you're talking about picking someone up and killing them and, or, you know, having an affair or things. Those things don't just happen.
26:18 Speaker 01 There's thoughts involved.
26:19 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:20 Speaker 01 There's planning in some cases.
26:22 Speaker 00 There's thoughts, there's actions. There's probably all kinds of different points in time where you could make a different decision, but you choose not to. When Moody's girlfriend, Angel, returned to the campsite, he made up an excuse that Brittany had called her friends and suggested they not camp there. He was unable to sleep and returned to the crime scene and buried the body in another location. Moody said about the exact location of the body, she's about four feet down. He said he got rid of his clothing and put Brittany's in a donation box. He threw her phone into the river, but kept her high school ID for a while before getting rid of it too.
27:07 Speaker 01 Well, that sounds like, uh, one of his trophies.
27:11 Speaker 00 Yeah. So did it just happen? Cause now you're keeping trophies. You're probably pulling out this ID. You're reliving what you had done.
27:21 Speaker 01 Exactly.
27:22 Speaker 00 This doesn't sound in any way like something that quote, "just happened." He thought his time in prison had changed him, but it didn't. Moody said, I wish I was different, but I wasn't. Okay, that that might be a true statement. He might have wished he was different. In January 2023, Brittany's mother, Dawn, filed a civil suit against Raymond Moody, seeking damages for the loss of her daughter. Moody filed a handwritten response denying each and every question and statement listed in the requests for admission.
28:00 Speaker 01 Cause he's so sorry for what he did.
28:02 Speaker 00 One question I had, Gibbs, is how much does this guy really have?
28:07 Speaker 01 You know what?
28:07 Speaker 00 He was in prison for 20 years.
28:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, whatever he has, take it all.
28:12 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't, I don't blame him at all, but I can't imagine this guy was swimming in money.
28:20 Speaker 01 But sometimes I also think maybe it could be some form of therapy.
28:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't, I don't know that it's all about the money ever. I think some of it is just, how can I get back at this person in any and every way that is possible? And this is one that was possible. In November 2023, Brittany's estate sued Moody and the Bar Harbor Resort, where Brittany stayed with friends. Brittany's family previously said she was staying at the hotel without her parents' permission. The resort denied the allegations in the lawsuit, saying Brittany was never a registered guest and might have been friends with another guest at the resort.
29:06 Speaker 00 So that's an interesting case because obviously, you know, she wasn't an adult. She could not rent a hotel room.
29:16 Speaker 01 Right.
29:17 Speaker 00 Right, by herself. But if she's crashing with other people who had rented, one of which, let's say, had rented the room, how would the hotel even know about it?
29:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think it'd be difficult, but I think if you're going to hire an attorney, the attorney's going to say, let's line them all up and see where it sticks.
29:38 Speaker 00 Yeah, go after everybody. In March 2024. Timothy Deshawn Taylor filed a federal abuse of power suit claiming false narratives pushed by the FBI caused irreversible emotional strain. Taylor's team reiterated that he was innocent and said that Taylor, who was 16, was in class at the time of the crime. Deshawn's mother, Joan, said, as quoted by WBTSW, "For over a decade, my son and his father were relentlessly pursued for a crime that federal law enforcement officials knew. Neither of them committed because they had evidence to the contrary. Their illegitimate investigation wreaked havoc on our lives,
30:23 Speaker 00 and we demand answers from those responsible. Our family deserves a public apology, and my son deserves for the public to know his name without any association to Brittany Drexel." So, you know, again, we did talk about Deshawn. I don't know if he was a squeaky clean guy, but at 16 years old, to be thought of as the murderer of Brittany Drexel, yeah, I would say that's going to do some irreparable harm to someone.
30:59 Speaker 01 It's going to be tough to reverse some of that.
31:01 Speaker 00 Hence the irreparable.
31:03 Speaker 01 Exactly.
31:03 Speaker 00 Part.
31:07 Speaker 00 I think the problem in some of those types of cases is how do you measure that?
31:12 Speaker 01 Oh, man, it'd be so hard.
31:14 Speaker 00 And so how do you quantify it? And if a jury does, you know, find in your favor, what's the formula? You know, in a lot of states, there's a formula for wrongful convictions. It's based on how many years you spent in prison. A lot of times it's like a very low amount, $20,000 a year or something like that. You're telling me, okay, I spent 20 years in prison. You're going to give me 400 grand?
31:41 Speaker 01 Right. Thanks, but I'll take it.
31:44 Speaker 00 I'll take it, but 20 years in prison is in no way worth 400K. 400K is a lot of money. Don't get me wrong.
31:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, but not for what you endured.
31:55 Speaker 00 Not for giving up 20 years of your life.
31:57 Speaker 01 I just, you know, we've had conversations like this in the past where someone has looked heavily as the main person of interest or suspect. And then they're later found out they had nothing to do with it. But in the eyes of the public, unless they read the story that's buried further back in the paper or today, if they go, go out on the internet and search it, they're, they're just going to remember what they remember last time they saw something. They're going to think, oh, that's that guy that did that thing. He's a bad person.
32:32 Speaker 00 But even if every single person knew that he now wasn't involved, there was 13 years.
32:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:41 Speaker 00 Or however many years of him from age 16 to let's say 29, almost 30 years old. How much did that alter his life? And you have to think it was, it was pretty great.
32:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think it had, definitely had a major impact.
32:57 Speaker 00 In March 2024, Angel Voss was indicted on three counts of lying to federal investigators. In May 2022, Angel told an FBI agent she went home to retrieve keys from a truck ring while Brittany was being assaulted and killed. However, she was going somewhere else for a very different reason. She also said that Brittany had her cell phone with her the entire time when it was proven that Angel had the phone and disposed of it somewhere between Georgetown and Charleston. She also insisted that Brittany got into the car voluntarily to consume marijuana and cocaine, but this was a lie.
33:40 Speaker 00 On May 27th, Angel was granted a $10,000 bond. On July 24th, 2024, Angel agreed to plead guilty to two counts of making false statements to federal agents, each carrying a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine.
33:59 Speaker 01 Hefty.
34:00 Speaker 00 Yeah. I mean. You know, you told some really big lies, right? It's not good to lie, but there are little white lies that don't really hurt anyone. Right? Sometimes we lie to our kids about certain things. Maybe we shouldn't do that, but we do.
34:18 Speaker 01 Right.
34:19 Speaker 00 There's no more cookies left. There are cookies left. I just don't want you to have any of the cookies.
34:24 Speaker 01 What I meant to say, there's no more cookies left on that shelf in that pantry that you're looking at right now.
34:29 Speaker 00 But some lies are huge. I mean, if you're misdirecting federal investigators in during, you know, this search for a murderer, okay, that's a big deal. On August 15th, the planned date of sentencing, both sides agreed to a 10 day continuance after the penalty was upgraded to a maximum of eight years for each count. Prosecutor said they were preparing for trial and considering all options, including potentially seeking a superseding indictment to include a federal kidnapping charge.
35:12 Speaker 01 Sure, things got real scary.
35:14 Speaker 00 Well, you know, eight years on each of those is no joke, but federal kidnapping is going to be a heck of a lot.
35:21 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
35:22 Speaker 00 But on August 27th, Angel rejected the plea deal. Days later, on September 9th, Angel Vaz pleaded guilty to all three counts of making a false statement to federal agents concerning where she was the night Raymond Moody abducted, raped and murdered Brittany. She admitted for the first time that her story about her encounter with Brittany on April 25th, 2009 was a lie. And I'm sure we'll probably get into it more, but just on the surface, it looks like she really took the incorrect route here.
35:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, because three.
36:01 Speaker 01 Counts at potentially eight years apiece.
36:05 Speaker 00 Versus two. She, she could have pled guilt. They wanted her to plead guilty to two counts. It ended up being three counts. Sentencing documents released in January 2025 shed more light on the roles Angel and Raymond Moody played in the murder and laid out Moody's history as a sexual predator in California. The following details were published by WB TW during a 2024 jail interview with the FBI. Moody explained in detail what happened the night Brittany was kidnapped. He said, "We were hunting," referring to his and Angel's plan to abduct a girl, take her to a tent they had set up in Georgetown, and rape her.
36:51 Speaker 00 Moody and Angel drove up and down Ocean Boulevard. They passed Brittany at least twice. Moody said, "I had my eye on her, and I thought, she's the one." They encountered her again. Moody was driving, but it was Angel who got out to talk to her and kind of soften her up a little bit. Maybe trust. There's two things here that are really scary to me. The first is that you have people out hunting. That's just a scary thought in general. Now, we know people are out hunting all the time. The second really scary part of this is Angel
37:31 Speaker 00 being involved. Because, you know, my thought is, most likely, if Brittany sees Moody, you know, in the vehicle by himself, she probably, no way gets in.
37:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, she passes on.
37:47 Speaker 00 Probably. But you have a woman get out, "Hey, do you need a ride? We'll help you out." There is likely to be a little more trust involved there.
38:00 Speaker 00 We know women can do bad things, but not as often as men. And they're not viewed typically to be as violent or especially sexually motivated in their crimes as men.
38:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think a woman's probably going to let her guard down a little bit more around another woman than around a man.
38:22 Speaker 00 And rightfully so. A lot of men are scary. Angel led Brittany back to the vehicle. They told her they were tourists and learned that she was also a tourist. They offered to drop her off at her hotel. But instead Moody turned off the boulevard and pretended to be lost. He stopped driving after crossing King's Highway, saying he needed to change drivers. He planned to get into the backseat to restrain Brittany, but the door was locked. So he entered the passenger side front door. Before Angel put the vehicle in reverse, Moody drove into the backseat and restrained Brittany. He told her not to panic because he kidnaps girls, demands a $5,000 ransom and returns them.
39:07 Speaker 00 He handcuffed Brittany either in the vehicle or at the pole yard boat landing where their tent was located. They walked in the woods to the tent before Angel left to get the keys to their apartment. And this is such a scary situation to think that, you know, Brittany was in.
39:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, absolutely.
39:27 Speaker 00 She's thinking she's getting a ride from this couple. You know, her mom said it, right? She didn't like to walk. Now, could she have been tempted maybe by drugs? Maybe, I don't know. That wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. But this thought that all of a sudden this man is diving back on you, restraining you, handcuffing you, that is so scary.
39:54 Speaker 01 And as you're walking into the woods, how terrified must she have been?
39:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, I cannot even imagine. Moody previously lied to FBI agents and said Angel was going to get drugs from the apartment. He also believed she went to get the Keys from her son in Georgetown. The sentencing documents indicated their plan all along was to have sex together with Drexel. Angel even told Moody not to have sex with Brittany until she got back. After Angel came back later that night, Moody left with Brittany still in handcuffs. The plan was to get sex toys from their apartment. When he returned, he raped Brittany with Angel present in the tent. But she did not take part in the rape.
40:41 Speaker 00 And I think, you know, what some of his statements do, if true, right? You have to always say that. They definitely signify more involvement on the part of Angel.
40:56 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:57 Speaker 00 Then what I think she had previously admitted to.
41:02 Speaker 01 It also confirms that Moody was a bigger piece of shit. Because he even lied about some other aspects of it, right? I mean, he, he kept on changing his story. And then he finally said, well, I did rape her. You hear this story, you're like, there's no consent.
41:21 Speaker 00 Oh, there, no, no part of that. And I, I didn't feel that was true from the very beginning. But I think it's very obvious now that none of this was consensual. Other than maybe her getting in the van under false pretenses.
41:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:40 Speaker 00 I don't think they grabbed her off the street and threw her in the van. But she thought maybe she was getting a ride or whatever. Everything after that, there was no consent whatsoever. And it was all, you know, just one horrible, despicable action after another. Moody told investigators, he couldn't have an orgasm. Because he was thinking about having to murder Brittany after the rape. Angel didn't know. He intended to kill her. He strangled Brittany with a yellow nylon rope and choked her with the rope to make sure she was dead. He stabbed her in the heart with an ice pick before carrying her to the river and placing her face down in shallow water.
42:26 Speaker 00 He later took her body to the boat landing and put her under a tree before returning to the tent. They packed up their belongings in a vehicle.
42:35 Speaker 01 I mean, what did she think was going to happen after they raped her?
42:39 Speaker 00 You mean Angel?
42:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:41 Speaker 00 It's a good question. You can't imagine that she thought they were just going to let Brittany go. Right? Having seen their faces uncovered, her having been raped. The natural thought would be that she's going to go straight to police and she's going to know what we look like. She's going to know what our vehicle looks like. She might even know the license plate number. So I get it when he says, okay, like maybe he didn't tell Angel he intended to kill her.
43:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:15 Speaker 00 But back to your question, what did she think was gonna happen? I mean, there's no doubt to me that Angel was a heck of a lot more involved than this than she initially let on.
43:27 Speaker 01 For sure.
43:28 Speaker 00 They drove north to Georgetown and drove across a bridge before stopping and leaving their Explorer. They drove back to the boat landing in Moody's truck, stopping along the way to get a shovel to bury the body. With Brittany's body in the truck, they drove to their apartment at the Sunset Lodge and went to sleep. And that seems extremely brazen. You're just gonna leave the body in your truck?
43:55 Speaker 01 I mean, you just did this horrific thing. And like you said, you're just, you're okay just leaving her in the truck like that?
44:02 Speaker 00 Yeah, and I don't have all the details, you know, maybe she was in the bed, the bed was covered, nobody could see, but it, it still does seem strange. At the very least, it's very callous, right? You're just gonna go to sleep with a dead body in your truck. Angel told Moody she was scared. He was afraid she wouldn't keep their secret. And so she shouldn't know where he dumped the body. So he left and went looking for a place to bury Brittany. The next day, they drove the truck to Polly's Island to retrieve his motorcycle. He tossed the rope and shrubs before they drove to Surfside Beach where they were stopped for speeding.
44:42 Speaker 00 Moody revealed that he feared Angel was coming apart after her FBI interview in 2022. He told Angel to tell authorities that Brittany was already gone when they got back to the pole yard boat landing and that she used his phone to coordinate a pickup with her friends. And I would think Gibbs, for most people, it would be hard not to start to come apart after being interviewed by the FBI in connection with a horrible crime in which you know you were involved.
45:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's gonna be pretty intense.
45:19 Speaker 00 On February 13th, 2025, Angel Voss was sentenced to 18 years in federal prison. She received three consecutive 72 month sentences for each count of lying to federal investigators. She'll, she will have to serve three years of supervised release once she is out. And prosecutors hoped for 24 years, but the judge wasn't confident in some of the information in the pre-sentencing report because it came from Moody, a known liar. And that's always tough, right? Because, I mean, this guy has a reason to lie. I do think he told the truth about some things, but he peppered in a bunch of lies
46:02 Speaker 00 in with it, in large part to make himself look a little better, soften it a little. Maybe he was also trying to protect Angel in some ways.
46:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, maybe, but I mean, 18 years is nothing to laugh about.
46:21 Speaker 00 No, 18 years is a long time if she does that. Now, it's consecutive, so that helps, but you know, I'm sure she could come out early on parole or something like that. When speaking in court, Don Conley called her the angel of death. In their news release, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of South Carolina wrote, according to evidence presented in court, Voss concealed the truth of what happened to Brittany and her involvement for more than 13 years. Voss told investigators that Brittany willingly joined her and Raymond Moody, that she left Moody and Brittany at the pole yard boat landing near Georgetown, and that she didn't
47:06 Speaker 00 take Brittany's cell phone with her, when in reality, she Participated in Brittany's abduction and was complicit in her rape and murder. On the night of Brittany's disappearance in April 2009, Vaz assisted Moody in luring the 17-year-old into their vehicle, promising her a ride to her hotel. Vaz left Brittany alone with Moody at the site of her rape and murder, taking her cellphone, her only chance of survival with her. The judge noted during the sentencing hearing that Vaz was a key participant in this tragedy facilitating the kidnapping of a child. And I think it's really hard to argue with that statement.
47:50 Speaker 01 I don't think you can.
47:51 Speaker 00 She was very involved in all of this.
47:55 Speaker 01 And she had opportunities to do the right thing.
47:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, and she didn't take any of those.
48:00 Speaker 01 No.
48:01 Speaker 00 Judge Richard Gurgel also said, as quoted by WBTW, she, Angel, had every opportunity. When that boyfriend was calling every 30 seconds to say, "Help, or call 911." He called Angel a key facilitator in this. And she takes the only means of escape. She lured this girl into a car and from that point on, she's on a road to death.
48:31 Speaker 01 True statement, because that's what happened.
48:33 Speaker 00 Well, you made the statement, right? That she didn't take any of the opportunities that presented themselves, where, you know, she could have stopped it or helped to stop it. And I think what the judge is pointing out is, you know, one of those or several of those. And that's when Brittany's boyfriend was calling all the time. She could have picked up the phone and said, "Hey, this is what's going on."
48:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:59 Speaker 00 "Something bad's happening."
49:01 Speaker 01 Send help.
49:02 Speaker 00 She didn't do any of that. Angel said in court, "I'm not a monster or a horrible person. I'm simply a person who became a victim early in life. My past is full of mistakes. I'm sorry for not speaking up soon."
49:16 Speaker 01 I don't know how you say you're not a monster or a horrible person for what you were part of, because you were. You could say maybe today you don't feel like you are. That's your opinion, but you definitely are a horrible person for what you'd put that young girl through.
49:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's, it's really hard to argue that. And, you know, I don't like the statement she made. I'm simply a person who became a victim early in life. Now, maybe she was victimized.
49:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:51 Speaker 00 Many people are.
49:52 Speaker 01 Sure.
49:53 Speaker 00 But they don't go on to murder, rape, or help facilitate a murder rape. So, I mean, to me, that statement just doesn't, it doesn't garner any sympathy for what you did. Now, you can get some sympathy for being a victim.
50:09 Speaker 01 Sure you can.
50:11 Speaker 00 When you're younger, but you're not going to get any later on when you participate in something like this.
50:17 Speaker 01 No, it's not an excuse for what you've done.
50:19 Speaker 00 Angel's defense attorney, Charles Cochran, claimed she was manipulated by Moody and had a history of domestic violence relationships. The defense noted Angel's lack of criminal history and multiple incidents of abuse from Moody. Cochran said he was always the mastermind here. We understand there's no emotional argument that will turn the tide in our direction. So I get what he's saying, right? She was abused by Moody. You can make a possible connection that maybe she felt as though she didn't have a choice in doing this, but that's not the way it seemed to me. I get that's the way the defense attorney is trying to paint
51:04 Speaker 00 it.
51:05 Speaker 01 Sure. I mean, she had opportunities to get a hold of the authorities. Maybe she was too scared from the abuse that she has received in the past from Moody, but I, I still feel like she had an opportunity to end this.
51:19 Speaker 00 On February 20th, Brittany's mother met with the prosecutor, seeking additional kidnapping charges against Angel. Authorities have never alleged that Angel was present at the remote boat landing where Brittany was raped and murdered, but they do blame her for not trying to stop it because she had Brittany's cellphone, which received nearly 30 calls that night. Don Conley said at a news conference, "This is not over. I don't believe in closure. I believe in resolution." I mean, Don is out to kick some ass and take names.
51:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, good.
51:55 Speaker 00 Or kick names and take some ass. No, I think it's the first one.
51:59 Speaker 01 However, it happens.
52:00 Speaker 00 However, it happens. But she obviously has gone through an unbelievable tragedy, but she's fighting like hell, right, Gibbs, for her daughter. She wants these people to spend the most amount of time incarcerated as they possibly can. She also wants to hurt them in any way that she can, right? I go back to the civil suit. If there's an avenue where she can stick it to them, she's, she's gonna take that. And I don't blame her one bit.
52:31 Speaker 01 Sure, yeah. I'm sure it's not enjoyable for her in one sense because she has to relive everything that happened to Brittany.
52:38 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is not a walk in the park, right, to go through these different trials because she has to hear the facts over and over and over. U.S. Assistant Attorney Woolard Holliday said, "Attempts by the defense team to paint Angel as a victim were betrayed by her attitude in a jailhouse phone call with Moody in late 2024." Holliday said, "Angel was very much in charge of the conversation. She was defiant. She was belligerent. She was profane. She was not someone who seemed to be under Ray Moody's thumb. Very strong will." Now, you could also make the case that she knew there was no way he could get to her
53:23 Speaker 00 once they were both incarcerated, but... You know, you do have to take what this guy's saying. He heard all that stuff. We didn't.
53:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, you could say the defense was just trying to soften her up a little bit before sentencing came around, but he's seen the true nature of their relationship.
53:41 Speaker 00 Yeah, it seems that way. On February 26, 2025, jurors awarded $700 million in damages to Brittany's family in her suit against Raymond Moody, and that is a boatload of money.
53:56 Speaker 01 That is.
53:57 Speaker 00 Now, I don't know how much of any of that Brittany's family will ever see, but like you said earlier, it may not be about the exact dollar amount. It may be more about, you know, just really sticking it to him in as many ways as possible. We want this guy to suffer.
54:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:20 Speaker 00 In every way he can.
54:22 Speaker 01 He's ruined as much as they can ruin him.
54:24 Speaker 00 In March 2025, a judge dismissed Deshaun Taylor's federal abuse of power lawsuit. And I don't really have all the facts of that. Again, there were people who came forward and said that Deshaun Taylor did this. There was the alligator pit. You know, I don't think authorities pulled this out of thin air.
54:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:49 Speaker 00 Now, these people that were telling them this seemed to be lying, right? We now know that, but it could have been that they, you know, the courts felt that they were acting on this information in doing what they did. But I still do feel very heavily for Deshaun Taylor regarding this part. There might have been other things he didn't in his life that, you know, I don't feel sorry about, but.
55:16 Speaker 01 Exactly. Yeah.
55:17 Speaker 00 For being thought of as, as maybe one of the prime suspects in Brittany's murder for many, many years, I do feel for him regarding that. Yeah. As we wrap this one up, Gibbs, over a decade after she went missing, Brittany's case was finally resolved.
55:36 Speaker 00 She was kidnapped by two predators seeking to abduct and rape a girl from Myrtle Beach's busy Ocean Boulevard. Raymond Moody had a known history of sexual violence and many believed that his early release was a grave error on the part of the criminal justice system. And again, as I said earlier, I think it's really easy to think that when a person goes on to then commit other horrible crimes, right? It's kind of a no brainer. Well, this guy shouldn't have been let out in the first place. But there are other people who, you know, do their time, get out, become productive members of society and never go on to do
56:21 Speaker 00 anything else. We're not talking about them. We're usually talking about the ones who get out and then go on to do horrible things. So yeah, it's real easy to say, boy, they made a big mistake. And maybe they did. Maybe the signs were there and they just missed them. Or maybe he had done 20 years. They felt as though he was rehabilitated and it just turns out he was not.
56:47 Speaker 01 I feel like it could be difficult managing that process.
56:51 Speaker 00 It has to be because, you know, I kind of go back to Shawshank, right? When Morgan Freeman's character, you know, went in to the parole hearing, he started saying all the stuff he had said year after year, everything he thought the parole board wanted to hear, which is, I assume, what most people do, right? I'm so sorry, I'm a changed person, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, he's like, you know what? You're not letting me out anyway. So he started saying a little bit more like heartfelt stuff and they let him out anyway. But, you know, I kind of think, you know, to your point, it is very
57:32 Speaker 00 difficult to know, because there's no way you can know who's going to reoffend and who's not. You can look at the signs. You can look at the, the reports and, you know, psychology reports and all of that. But at the end of the day, there's no way to know.
57:52 Speaker 01 That's true.
57:53 Speaker 00 Who's going to walk the straight and narrow and who's going to go on to do despicable things? It's a sad case, right? Because a young woman, young girl, she wasn't even 18 years old, lost her life. But like I said, there are a couple of different things that are really scary. First of all, two people working in tandem to kidnap, rape and murder is always a scary thing because that's two people coming together and agreeing on doing this horrific act. It's one thing for a loner to convince themselves, hey, this is what I should do.
58:35 Speaker 00 But now you've got two people agreeing on it. Add in the fact that one of them is a woman who undoubtedly probably made it more likely that Brittany would get in the vehicle.
58:50 Speaker 01 Sure, Brittany let her guard down more because of that.
58:52 Speaker 00 I would think so. And I think most people believe that, and it's probably true. So that becomes very, very scary as well. And again, I think Angel had so much more involvement in this thing than what she copped to and really what she was convicted for. She was convicted of lying, basically, to federal investigators. I think she was way more involved and could have faced some much, much more serious charges and probably should have.
59:29 Speaker 01 I agree.
59:30 Speaker 00 But at the heart of it, Raymond Moody is, like you said, a POS, a monster. How much did he coerce Angel? That part we'll never know. Was there fear? Was there intimidation? But all in all, right? Just a tragic story. It was interesting to, you know, do a TCAT after we had done the unsolved version so many years ago.
59:58 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
59:59 Speaker 00 To see it come full circle and be solved is kind of amazing. It's what we hope for all the unsolves. Now, we know they're not all going to be solved, but more and more of them are being solved, which is awesome.
1:00:12 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, I think it's amazing because, you know, as we talked earlier, the technology behind everything that's helping solve these cases.
1:00:22 Speaker 00 Yeah, it really is. And it just continues to evolve, right? What's the technology going to be like next year, five years from now, 10 years from now?
1:00:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, wow.
1:00:32 Speaker 00 But that's it for our two-parter on Brittany Drexel. We got a couple of voicemails. You want to check those out?
1:00:38 Speaker 01 Let's hear them.
1:00:39 Speaker 02 Hey, Mike and Gibby. My name is Jessica Gregory. I am a very long time listener and I love the podcast. I just had to call in because I just finished the Marie Robards case. I'm a high school English teacher. I teach seniors and we're studying Hamlet right now. And so when I listened to that court case, I came in the next day and told my students about the case with her getting caught and looking real guilty when it came to the Claudius part, talking about poisoning his brother. So I told my kids, I said, this is, you know, this is why Shakespeare's still relevant because look at that, it just helps solve a court case. Anyways, I also had wrote in, I think a year or two ago now about the Jimmy
1:01:23 Speaker 02 Robertson case in Rock Hill, South Carolina, and you guys covered that case and I so appreciate it. Still my biggest flack, anytime I do like two truths and a lie, I'll be like, I contacted the podcast and they did the one I asked them to do. So I really appreciate you guys. I think your podcast is amazing. I always refer you to other people if they're ever looking for a really good podcast. Super appreciate you. I am both Team Mike and Team Gibby. I think you guys are amazing. Keep doing what you're doing. I hope you guys have a fantastic holiday season and keep your own time ticking.
1:01:57 Speaker 00 Awesome. Thank you so much. You know, anytime you can use the podcast to, you know, kind of encourage your students, that's a good thing.
1:02:08 Speaker 01 I think it's a really good thing.
1:02:09 Speaker 00 I was going to say, you know who you do not want to play two truths and a lie with?
1:02:14 Speaker 01 Hey.
1:02:14 Speaker 00 Mike Gibson. You will not win that battle.
1:02:18 Speaker 01 You're gonna lose every time.
1:02:21 Speaker 03 Hey Mike, hey Gibby, this is Chuck Ferguson. Uh, I'm a long time listener, first time caller from Maryland, about to actually be a Dick Foskey. Uh, really love the show. Uh, I was listening to the Ashley Drexel case and I couldn't stop laughing because, you know, picturing Gibby playing soccer in wrestling tights. Um, just a suggestion for you, I was wondering if you could do the case on Charles Redden.
1:02:59 Speaker 03 Um, it's very interesting, given how aware he was of his mental issues. So I think that would be, you know, an interesting listen to. Uh, I'm definitely Dean Mike and Dean Gibby. Um, and again, love the show. Keep your own time ticking. Bye.
1:03:23 Speaker 00 All right. Thanks for the voicemail and for the suggestion. Yeah, the, you know, the kind of the mental image of Gibby running up and down the soccer field with his, uh, singlet or wrestling tights, as we like to call them on is... Very relaxing? Not relaxing at all. No? No, it actually, uh, provokes my anxiety to, to a great extent. Like I have to be honest with you. (laughing) It's a nightmare inducing type stuff. But that is it, buddy, for another episode of True Crime All the Time. So for Mike... And Gibby. Stay safe and keep your own time ticking.
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