Bob Lee

Bob Lee, the Cash App founder and prominent tech executive, was stabbed to death in San Francisco in April 2023. Investigators focused on Nima Momeni after surveillance showed Lee leaving his sister Khazar’s apartment with him before the two stopped near the Bay Bridge, where Lee was fatally stabbed. Prosecutors argued Momeni killed Lee over anger surrounding his sister’s alleged drugging and sexual assault, while Momeni claimed he acted in self-defense after Lee attacked him with a knife. Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss the murder of Bob Lee. DNA evidence linked both men to the weapon, and Momeni was convicted of second-degree murder in December 2024. However, questions surrounding the confrontation, the competing accounts of what happened, and the circumstances that led to Lee’s death continue to fuel debate, leaving the full truth behind the killing a mystery. You can help support the show at patreon.com/truecrimeallthetime Visit the show's website at truecrimeallthetime.com for contact, merchandise, and donation information An Emash Digital production See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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  Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 528 of the True Crime All the Time Podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson, and with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you?

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  Hey, I'm doing good, man. How about you?

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  This week, we selected Christie Russell.

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  Hey, thanks, Christie.

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  Yeah, we appreciate all the support. We have a new episode out right now on Unsolved, where we're talking about Alfred Swinscoe. In April 2023, some remains were found in a farmer's field in England. DNA testing identified that they belonged to this local miner who had been missing for more than 50 years. It's kind of a fascinating case.

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  I thought it was.

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  We also dropped Saturday night, a brand new Patreon episode. It's on Shante Blankenship. She was 25 years old when she was murdered while taking her daily evening walk in her North Lake, Texas neighborhood. Shante's killer lived among the community for over a year before members of her church helped authorities find it.

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  We're talking about Bob Lee. Bob Lee, who founded Cash App, was stabbed to death in the streets of San Francisco in April 2023. Authorities soon discovered that he was involved in the world of drugs and exclusive parties. Bob Lee was born in St. Louis, Missouri on December 20, 1979. He grew up in the Midwest. Now, do you say Missouri or Missoura?

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  Missouri.

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  I do too, but a lot of people say Missoura.

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  Well, it's Missouri.

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  Okay. I think people in Missouri might disagree with you.

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  It's right there next to Illinois.

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  Okay, we'll go, we'll say that's true. According to the Washington Post, Bob earned the nickname Crazy Bob in high school because of his seemingly endless energy, which to me is kind of a strange nickname. I heard of some people in my high school with that type of nickname, but it didn't have anything to do with the amount of energy they had.

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  Had something to do with something else.

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  Yeah, yeah, they had some other stuff going on. After his death, Bob's friends told media outlets that he was generous and stayed humble despite his success. In 2001, Bob figured out how to solve a computer virus called Code Red, which had consumed large parts of the internet that year.

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  Did you ever get the code read?

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  I don't remember that. I've always been pretty good about having computer virus software. What I will say is if you can develop something that can fix a problem like that, you can make a boatload of money.

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  Absolutely.

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  Bob did an interview with the now-defunct Tech TV, discussing how he solved the virus with a patch. And he gave away his patch for free to help as many people as possible.

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  Wow, that is pretty cool.

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  Well, it is. I just said you could make a bunch of money, but he didn't do it that way. He gave it away for free.

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  But it also can get you on the radar for other things.

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  Well, yeah, I can give you some name recognition and help you further down the line. Bob attended Southeast Missouri State University, not far from where he grew up in St. Louis. He was a successful coder while studying at the university. He eventually moved to California to start his career in tech. Cause let's face it, right? Back then, if you were in tech, that's where you went.

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  That's where you needed to go if you were gonna make it.

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  And to some degree still is. It's starting to change. Some tech firms are moving to other places, but I think by and large, you know, California, Silicon Valley is still the tech capital, right? Bob started at Google, but he got his breakthrough by helping develop Google's Android system.

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  Android.

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  It's not a small thing.

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  It is not.

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  I mean, that is a very well-known system. A lot of people use it on their phones, right? Their Android phones. After six years with Google, he went to work for Square, based in San Francisco. He was at Square in its early stages and eventually became the chief technology officer.

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  I used to have Square. Do you have Square back then?

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  Is that the little thing you plug in your phone that allows you to take credit cards?

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  Yeah, the little, yeah, like a little block that you plug in and you swipe. If you're a vendor, you can use it, or I'm sure you probably paid for something.

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  Yeah.

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  Through it.

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  Yeah, we've actually done ads for Square. I don't know about on this podcast, but on some podcasts we have.

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  Yeah.

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  I never had that, but I also never needed to take payments. I almost shiver to ask you and think about what you might have taken payments for.

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  Rex West had to take payments.

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  Well, that's what I was afraid of.

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  Yeah, the Square belonged to Rex West.

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  At some point, the ones and fives just weren't cutting it, so you had to kind of delve into the world of financial transactions.

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  Or those occasional big tippers.

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  Yeah, I get you, man.

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  You know, cause I got tired of people saying-

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  If I

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  Can you break a hundred?

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  I don't have any cash on me. If I had, if you had a way to take a credit card, I'd, I'd tip you.

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  And I'm like, problem solved. Let me introduce you to my Square.

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  While still at Square, Bob was part of the team that built Cash App, a digital platform that allows users to send and receive payment. You ever use Cash App?

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, I, I've used it quite a bit. Bob soon became an investor in companies like SpaceX, Clubhouse, and other major companies. So I mean, the one thing you'd have to say about this guy is he was very successful.

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  Yeah.

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  I mean, we're talking about some of the bigger companies here, right? SpaceX, Google.

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  He knew where to invest.

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  Yeah. I'm sure he made quite a bit of money. He was in, you know, a very sought after profession, but when you invest in those types of companies, yeah, you are going to make some money. Bob was married to Krista Lee for 10 years. They had two children who were teenagers at the time of Bob's death. They remained amicable co-parents after they divorced. Krista told Dateline that Bob had a work hard, party hard mentality. She said, he did partake in parties and drugs, but he was never the kind of guy that would get out of control.

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  Look, I know some guys that had that same philosophy. If you're going to work hard, you play hard, you party hard. Um, hey, as long as you're careful about what you're doing. I mean, it's your life, right? Just got to make sure you're careful.

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  Yeah, because it can get out of hand really quickly.

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  Yeah.

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  Right? People who think they've got it all together. They've got it reined in. And the next thing you know, they're kind of spiraling out of control. Bob's friend, Tommy Sowers, told the Washington Post that he normally went to bed early, except when he was visiting Bob in San Francisco. He said, it'd be a Tuesday night and he'd say, let's go out. Bob wasn't trying to get drunk or party hard. It was just that everywhere he went, he knew folks and they were really happy to see him.

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  I feel like this is like an old friends episode or something when the guy that they can't wait to come into town, that they always have a

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  It's like the life of the party type deal. Yeah, yeah, I got you. In 2021, Bob joined Mobile Coin, a cryptocurrency company. He started off as an early stage investor and advisor, and eventually became chief product officer. CEO Josh Goldbard told NBC Bay Area that Bob was made for the new world. From large contributions to Android at Google, to being the first CTO of Square, in that time, creating Cash App and working with us here at Mobile Coin, Bob surely had an impact that will last far beyond his short time on Earth.

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  Sounds like he was a very smart guy.

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  Venture capitalist Wesley Chan befriended Bob at Google. He said about Bob, he was always humble. He'd say, oh, I don't know if it's going to work or not, but we'll try. And you know darn well, Gibbs, he knew it was going to work. He'd find a way to make it work.

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  Right.

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  Chan also said that Bob was generous in coaching other engineers and tech entrepreneurs. Silicon Valley CEO Mark Hatch told the Washington Post, he never bragged about his accomplishments. You had to drag it out of him or his friends, basically. And I like this type of people. To be honest with you, I, I don't really want to sit around and listen to people brag about what they've done, or what they've bought, or what they have. Just be a normal person and

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  Yeah.

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  If you're really that good, other people will do the bragging for you.

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  Exactly.

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  They will, because there's a lot to brag about. You just, you really don't even need to do it yourself. Shortly before his death, Bob moved to Miami with his father. According to people, Bob was reportedly a multimillionaire at the time of his death. He was rich, single, and enjoyed attending parties around the world. It doesn't surprise me that he was a multimillionaire.

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  No, not at all. And if he's single and wealthy, why wouldn't he party around the world if he wanted to?

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  Well, I will say Miami is probably not a bad place if you're into attending parties.

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  Yeah, I think you could have some fun there.

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  They have quite a few of them, from what I understand. Bob's friends told the Wall Street Journal that Bob used drugs like cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine recreationally.

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  Ketamine, wow, okay.

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  Yeah. I, you know, Special K, I've heard that one called. I don't know exactly what that one does to you, but I, I hear it can be pretty potent.

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  You're gonna feel pretty darn good on it.

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  Okay, that sounded like it came from experience, but I, I won't ask you how you know. The Wall Street Journal also reported that Bob had had multiple girlfriends and casual sex partners around the time of his death.

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  Again, he is single.

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  He is single and yeah. And he's wealthy, which doesn't hurt, right? When you're trying to get dates or girlfriends or... In the early morning hours of April 4th, 2023, an unidentified man called 911 from San Francisco's Rincon Hill neighborhood. His voice was faint and he said, "Help, help me please." The San Francisco police arrived at 2:35 a.m. and found a man bleeding uncontrollably from chest wounds. He was identified as 43-year-old Bob Lee. Bob died at the hospital. He had been stabbed twice in the chest and once in the hip, and one of the chest wounds punctured

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  his heart. Sounds like a very brutal way to go.

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  It does.

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  According to Bob's toxicology screen, he had alcohol, cocaine, and ketamine in his system at the time of his death. But these drugs were not listed as a factor in his death.

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  Well, that's amazing. I mean, none of these drugs and I mean, ketamine's pretty powerful.

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  Is that the one that was like a horse tranquilizer or is a horse tranquilizer?

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  Yeah. Like sometimes in ERs, they're give you ketamine right before they, if you have a dislocated shoulder, they're give you the ketamine and then pull your shoulder out and put it back in place. So you don't feel the pain. That's how strong it is. Cause I know you have a bad shoulder.

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  I do.

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  So like, I think you probably could relate to someone pulling on that shoulder, trying to pop it back in would be excruciating, but on ketamine, you're like, no big deal.

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  But I think the big thing is, right? None of these drugs caused his death. His death was caused by being stabbed.

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  Sure, yeah.

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  Detectives followed a trail of blood down the street to a parking lot fence and discovered a pairing. Security cameras in the area captured Bob stumbling towards a luxury apartment building. He grabbed onto the call box and fell to the ground. Footage from nearby businesses also captured a white BMW driving through the area at the time of the stabbing. The car was registered to a man named Nima Momeni. Nima was a tech consultant from Iran, who moved to the US at age 14 with his mother and sister, Khazar Momeni. On his LinkedIn profile, Nima described himself

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  as an IT consultant slash entrepreneur and the owner of a company called Expand IT. Business filings listed him as the CEO, Secretary, and CFO of Expand IT, Inc.

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  You know, not that strange, right? I mean, I am the CEO, Secretary, CFO, and President of Rex West Incorporated, so.

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  You're also the janitor and the night watchman. You, you wear a lot of hats.

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  I do.

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  In that organization. But we, we have an interesting scenario developing, right? Bob is killed. They have surveillance footage and it shows this white BMW. And I think pretty quickly they figure out who the car is registered to. And it happens to be another person kind of in that world, right? The tech world. You know, I have a closet full of clothes, but I tend to go back to the same things. The ones I know that feel the best, fit the best. And right now, I keep going back to Quince. I love everything I've gotten from Quince, but what I continually go for

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  Mo Mini was charged with carrying a switchblade in 2011, a misdemeanor in California. The case was dismissed the following year after he took a plea. But I do want to go back for a minute, right? I said they found this paring knife. A paring knife seems to me just to kind of be a strange weapon. Like if you set out to stab somebody, that's not really the type of weapon most people would choose or think about.

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  It's kind of like, maybe you had a paring knife in your lunchbox, you know, and you carve up an apple or something.

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  Or it's the first thing you grabbed or the first thing you saw. It's certainly, if you were going out hunting, that's not what you would take.

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  No, it's not going to be your knife of choice.

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  No, it wouldn't be part of your kill kit, right? If you were that type of killer. PR specialist Sam Singer had an office space next door to Mo Mini's unit. He told NBC Bay Area, "It was shocking to us because he was a very nice neighbor, very welcoming, very kind, very professional gentleman." Nima gave him a tour of his office. When Singer moved into the building, he said he let us into his unit. He showed us around. There was a pool table. There's big fancy stereo speakers, gourmet food, was very welcoming. We invited him into our new space and he was very complimentary about the remodel we had done.

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  Akash Sani worked with Mo Mini a few years prior when the startup company he worked for hired Nima to set up their network. He said, "Every interaction that I had with him, it was always very cordial, very accommodating, very much with a smile on his face. Never any signs of any anger or anything of that nature."

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  So, I mean, at this point, it sounds like he was a pretty decent guy.

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  Well, I think, you know, you have a couple of people who interacted with him and I think it's safe to say they were both shocked, right? When this kind of broke, that he could possibly be involved in it. There also seemed to be no connection between Bob Lee and Nima Mo Mini. Authorities soon learned that there was a link and that link turned out to be Nima's sister, Khazar. Although Khazar was married, she was known as a party girl who moved in elite circles. She and Bob met at an exclusive club. And how often do we talk about it, right? Are there stranger murders? Yeah, absolutely there are.

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  More often than not, there is a link. Now, the person may not be known directly. In this case, it might have been indirectly, but there's a reason why someone is targeted very often.

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  Eventually, if you look long enough, you'll find it.

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  Yeah, you just got to find that motive, right? There are essentially stranger crimes and those are harder to solve because there's very little motive other than the fact that somebody wanted to kill somebody, but it wasn't really that particular person, let's say.

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  So now we know, you know, Bob met his sister at this, it sounds like a pretty high-end club.

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  Khazar and her husband lived in the Millennium Tower Apartments, a luxury high-rise on Mission Street. She and her husband lived in separate units on different floors.

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  Well, that's a weird way to be married. The, I mean.

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  It's kind of a strange setup, right?

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I guess if you didn't like your spouse a lot, maybe you go ahead and get your own unit.

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  Yeah, maybe. Now, I understand some people might have separate bedrooms.

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  Sure.

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  They're snoring, there's, you know, different bedtimes, there's all kinds of issues why, you know, couples at some point in their marriage might want to sleep in separate rooms. But in separate apartments in the same apartment complex, that seems a little strange to me.

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  It really does.

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  After Bob was killed, his ex-wife Krista received an anonymous text that said, "I heard that you were talking to the police. Please tell them to check the footage of the Millennium Tower. I'd like to remain anonymous. I fear that I will be stabbed too."

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  Okay.

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  I mean, I think if you're Krista, right, you're grieving in some way for the loss of Bob. Yeah, he's an ex-husband, but at one point, you guys were in love. I'm sure there's a, there's a lot of grief there. To me, this is a little scary, right? You get this anonymous text. It's very clandestine.

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  Yeah.

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  Investigators learned that on April 3rd, 2023, Bob, Khazar, Mo Mini, and tech entrepreneur Bo Mohazabi attended a party at the home of Bob's friend, Jeremy Boyden. Bo and Bob left the party and went to a hotel bar, but Khazar stayed behind. Bob eventually went to Millennium Tower to visit Khazar. Surveillance video captured Bob arriving shortly after midnight and leaving around 2:00 AM with Nima Mo Mini. They got into Nima's BMW and drove off together. Other cameras tracked the BMW to Main Street.

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  The car parked in a dark and secluded area under Bay Bridge. It stopped just out of frame, but the camera captured the glow of the taillight. Two subjects entered the frame. After standing on the sidewalk for five minutes, Nima appeared to suddenly move towards Bob. They separated and an injured Bob walked north on the sidewalk while Nima went south. Nima stopped along a fence line where the knife was found. His BMW was then captured taking off at a high rate of speed.

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  Wow, so that's sudden move towards Bob must have been the three quick jabs.

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  I think, yeah, that's what police were probably thinking. And, you know, him walking along that fence line was probably him dropping the knife.

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  Yeah.

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  And getting rid of it before getting in his BMW and taking off. Either way, you know, he was now the main person of interest, right? Nima. On April 11th, officers were able to unlock both of Bob's phones with help from his family. His call log showed a FaceTime call with Nima via Khazar. His phone also showed a text from Khazar that said, "Just wanted to make sure you're doing okay because I know Nima came way down hard on you. Thank you for being such a classy man, handling it with class. Love you selfish pricks." Okay, that last part's a little strange.

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  It is a little strange.

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  I don't really understand that, but what I'm taking away from it is that in the text, Khazar's a little concerned for Bob because Nima must have got upset.

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  Yeah, must have went off on Bob. Maybe Nima was just being a overprotective brother.

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  Or wasn't happy that his sister was possibly carrying, you know, on with Bob when she's married to this other guy. Nima Mo Mini was arrested and charged with murder on April 13th, 2023. During a search of the siblings' homes, investigators found the knife in Khazar's kitchen that was the same brand as the one used in the murder. Police wondered if Nima took the weapon from his sister's kitchen. And I think that's a, probably a pretty good assumption.

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  I think so too.

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  And it goes back to me kind of talking about the paring knife, right? Paring knife not really being the ideal choice of weapon for murder, you wouldn't think. Not that it's not capable of killing somebody, it obviously is.

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  Yeah, but it's something, you know, you can grab quickly as you're headed out the door and you also can kind of conceal it.

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  Yeah, they're usually a lot shorter, right? Than other types of knives. On August 1st, 2023, Nima was ordered to stand trial. During the two-day preliminary hearing, his defense unsuccessfully argued that there might be enough evidence for manslaughter, but not murder. Nima had no reason to kill Bob and the two men were cordial. Nima was angry with another person, not Bob. Prosecutors though said Nima drove Bob to a secluded area, stabbed him three times with a knife, and then drove off in a hurry after a dispute over Nima's sister. And, you know, if you're looking at the two sides and comparing it to the surveillance

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  evidence, it kind of does favor the prosecution, right? In their version of events. The prosecution also presented video and forensic evidence showing that Bob was last seen getting into a car driven by Nima and a bloody knife was found near the spot where the two men got out of the car. I mean, I think if you're a juror, based on some of this evidence, you would have to be thinking, well, this doesn't look good for Nima at all.

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  Yeah, it's kind of hard to defend.

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  A criminalist with the San Francisco Police testified that Bob's DNA was found on the blade of the knife, but not the handle. And Nima's DNA was found on the handle. Okay, now it's looking even worse for him. Nima went to trial on October 14th, 2024. Prosecutors argued revenge was the motive. Nima was extremely close with his sister and he was an overprotective brother. He believed that Jeremy Boyven assaulted his sister and that Bob had an inappropriate relationship with her. Bob spent his final three nights partying with friends around

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  San Francisco, including Khazar, Jeremy Boyven, and nightclub DJ Bo Mohazabi. During the trial, Jeremy Boyven was most frequently referred to as the drug dealer by witnesses and attorneys. Not what a lot of people would like to be known as.

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  No, try to avoid that if you can.

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  But if that is your main occupation, that's probably what they're gonna call you.

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  Probably in the circle he was involved in, probably paid him very well.

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  Well, if you think about, yeah, the circle being these high-end exclusive parties, is there going to be there someone supplying drugs? Is it just one person? If so, that person's probably gonna make a boatload of money.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Because let's face it, these people attending have a boatload of money.

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  They're okay spending it.

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  And if that's what they want to do, they're willing to spend it. The afternoon before he was killed, Bob and Khazar were doing drugs and drinking at Jeremy Boyven's apartment. Bob left and Nima later went to pick up Khazar, who said she had been assaulted. Nima was enraged because Bob had introduced Khazar to Boyven and he also left her alone with him. Which I get, right? You know, you found out that your sister was assaulted. There's, there's gonna be some rage there.

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  Oh yeah, you're gonna be upset.

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  I could even understand why some of that would be directed at Bob for the reasons I just mentioned. But why would you kill Bob and not the person who was actually the one who assaulted your sister?

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Seems like he's picking the wrong person though. I mean, look, yeah, it should, can he be mad at Bob? Yeah. But why would you kill Bob?

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  A friend of Bob's would testify that Nima questioned Bob over the phone about what happened to Khazar. He sent text messages saying that the two men were creeps and sexual predators. But then Nima later hung out with Bob at his sister's condo until she kicked them out, saying she needed to sleep.

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  That's kind of strange, right? You guys are a bunch of creeps and sexual predators. Hey, by the way, we still doing that thing later tonight?

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Well, if you're Nima, is it a way to get close to Bob because you want to do something to him? If you're Bob, maybe you don't want to hang out with Nima after getting these texts. I don't know.

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  I would think he wouldn't want to.

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  Now, maybe he did and he wanted to explain his side of it. Hey, I didn't do that. And we mentioned it, right? Surveillance video showed the two men leaving Khazar's condo around 2:00 AM and getting into Nima's BMW. Surveillance footage also captured them getting out of Nima's car near the Bay Bridge where the stabbing occurred. 99% of DNA found on the knife handle belonged to Nima. While Bob's DNA was found on the blade, Khazar was a key witness at trial. She testified that she had never met Jeremy Boyven until two days before

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  the murder, when Bob introduced her to him. She admitted to heavily using party drugs. On April 3rd, 2023, she was at Jeremy Boyven's apartment with Bob and Bo. Mahazabi was doing drugs, staring at her and making her feel uncomfortable. He had pursued her in the past, but she always refused. She told Boyven to make Bob and Mohazabi leave. When Bob got into an Uber to leave, he texted Khazar, get your ass in my Uber or never speak to me again. The defense emphasized that Bob wasn't worried for her safety about being alone with

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  Boyven. Khazar testified that after Bob left, Jeremy gave her and her female friends three shots of GHB, often referred to as the date rape drug. She lost consciousness. She was sexually assaulted and woke up face down on Boyven's bed, wearing only a bikini. She cried and called her brother for help and asked him to drive her home to Millennium Town. Surveillance footage showed her looking distraught, disheveled, and barely able to stand as she left the apartment. She admitted that she invited Jeremy over to her apartment around the time Bob was stabbed to death because she wanted more drugs from him. And

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  that's such a strange thing.

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  It really is.

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  I understand sometimes when people want drugs, they need drugs, their decision-making might not be the best.

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  To say you wanted the drugs and you were okay being around the guy that just sexually assaulted you earlier.

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  Yeah. I mean, that, when most people hear something like that, they're like, why would, why would you do that?

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But if you're in the throes of an addiction, which I don't know what her addiction level was, or it just seems strange, I think, to most people. But I think you can also kind of see now maybe why Nima was so upset.

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  Yeah.

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  Right? You as a brother, get this call from your sister saying, hey, I've just been sexually assaulted. Come get me. I'm telling you what, man, you know, most guys who are protective of their sisters, that is not going to fly.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Oh no.

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  But we still have this question, right? Why is Bob the target? Why does Bob become the target?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

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  When it's very clear that Jeremy was the one who committed this sexual offense?

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  So why stab Bob?

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  Yeah. Khazar's testimony contradicted the early testimony of Bo Mohazabi. Bo Mohazabi testified that he overheard Nima call Bob around 9:00 PM on April 3rd. He was angry and demanded to know what happened to Khazar in Boyven's apartment. Bo Mohazabi was with Bob until Bob went to Khazar's apartment around midnight. Nima then got on the stand and claimed he killed Bob in self-defense. He testified that he and Bob were at Khazar's apartment in the early morning hours of April 4th. She asked them to leave at 2:00 AM because

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  she was angry and wanted to sleep. As they left, they talked about things to do. However, all the bars in the area were past last call. Nima started driving. As he drove, Bob spilled his beer and asked Nima to pull over. As Nima pulled out a towel, Bob saw a nitrous Whippet next to the towel and huffed it. According to Nima, Khazar had left it in the car to go see her husband because he did not like drugs.

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  Remember the Whippets?

• 36:51Speaker 00

  I do remember Whippets. It's not something I ever did, but I know a lot of people did back in the day.

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  They really did, man.

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  I don't know exactly what they were all made out of or where people obtained them. I thought some people did something with like those little canisters that you use for BB guns. But I could be wrong. I don't really know how Whippets were obtained.

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  I think they got them from like those handheld, the fancy whipped cream things too. Like you make your own cream and you put it in the canister and you use those charged things to squirt the whipped cream out.

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  Oh, you were a lot richer than I was growing up because I have never seen that before in my life.

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  I used them.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't even have any idea what you're talking about. Fancy whipped cream that you make yourself and then you have your own container?

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  Not like the ready whip that.

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  We just buy the ready whip and spray it directly into our mouths, you know? So apparently, and again, this is all Nima's testimony, right? So keep that in mind. Bob get out of the car and Nima followed him out. Bob wanted to keep the party going by getting more cocaine from his hotel room. But Nima wanted to go home. Nima testified that he then made a bad joke. He said, I said, if it was my last night in town, I'd go hang out with my family. Instead of fucking around in strip clubs, it set him off. He just blew up in front of me. He went from zero to 100. He was very angry.

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  Nima told Bob it was just a joke, but according to Nima, everything I said just made it worse. Yelling, cursing at me, circling around me, getting in my face. Nima continued in his testimony, I'm facing Bob. He's cussing at me. He's yelling at me, talking about parenting. When Bob pulled out a knife from his jacket pocket, Nima said, I was afraid for my life. I just wanted to control his hand. I grabbed his hands. I tried to control it. I was grabbing it and pushing him backwards. He took a swing. Nieman, his defense attorney, reenacted the altercation that took place on the street.

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  The defense attorney pretended to hold the knife and swing it towards Nima. Nima grabbed his arm and redirected it to the attorney's chest. Nima said that Bob just turned around and started walking away. He didn't know how badly injured he was. He didn't want Bob to get the knife again. So when he saw it on the ground, he picked it up and threw it over a fence. Alright, so we have to break down this story. And this happens in almost every trial when somebody is, you know, fighting for their, their life, their freedom. They're charged with murder or some other heinous crime.

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  There is quite a bit of video evidence. There's also some pretty good DNA.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Right.

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  Evidence. One person ends up dead and the murder weapon is this paring knife. They believe it's Nima. He has to come up with a story, Gibbs, that to the best of his ability, and maybe the ability of his defense team, right? Fits within the evidence, but kind of shifts the blame, or not kind of, does shift the blame onto Bob. And this is his story. So what does the story mean? It means that it wasn't Nima who took the paring knife, right? From Khazar's apartment. It was Bob.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Right.

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  Bob's the one who pulled it on Nima. And in this action movie self-defense move, he turned it back on Bob and stabbed him with three times, apparently.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  You know, so you gotta keep that in mind. Also, how are you getting past the DNA?

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  Very difficult to do that.

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  How is the handle 99% your DNA and not Bob's? If Bob's the one who had the knife to begin with, it should at least be a mixture, right?

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Exactly. And that's going to be a problem if you can't explain that.

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  But he's got to come up with something.

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  Yeah.

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  Or his defense team has to come up with something. He also, you know, tries to explain why the knife ends up where it does. He said he was in shock when he learned Bob was dead. Nima said, I feel awful to his family, to himself. He didn't deserve it. I don't think anyone deserved that. The prosecution noted that Nima never called police to report the attack and didn't even call police after he learned Bob had died.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  I mean, if it was self-defense, why would you not call?

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  I think that's a pretty big point that they would make, right? The prosecution. The defense also called on Aronzo Viejas, who testified that she reassured Nima, nothing happened in Jeremy Boyden's apartment. She told Nima that his sister was lying and under the influence of several drugs. In closing arguments, the prosecution played Bob's 911 call, which recorded his final words. Bob said, somebody stabbed me and repeatedly asked for help. According to K R O N four, prosecutor Dane Reinstadt emphasized that Nima didn't tell

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  anyone his version of what happened under the bridge until over a year later, after he had time to review all the evidence and craft a story.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Sure. Now you've seen the videotape and, you know, you can walk it frame by frame on how you want to tell your story now.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  And you know what evidence they have, right? And, and all that. So it kind of goes hand in hand, right? Why would you not call 911 if this truly was self-defense? Why would you not tell anyone for an entire year that this was self-defense?

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  Right.

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  I think if I was a juror and I heard all this, I gotta be pretty dubious that that's the way that this thing really went down.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  The prosecution argued Khazar was the true motive, not self-defense. Hours before Bob was killed, Nima learned his younger sister was given drugs and assaulted. He blamed both Bob and Jeremy. He made a flurry of phone calls on the night of April 3rd, trying to figure out what happened and who to hold accountable. Nima blamed Bob because Bob was the catalyst who put these events into motion. He introduced Khazar to Mr. Boyden. He left her alone with Jeremy in his apartment. Bob was vouching for Jeremy. That led him to believe maybe Bob could have been involved himself. I, I get that, but I don't.

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  I still don't understand why his anger was solely directed, maybe not solely, but that's who he acted on, Bob, rather than Jeremy.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I really feel like he needed to wait a little bit, get more information before deciding to take action. Seems like he was kind of a hothead there.

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  Yeah. And it, it could have been, you know, he's upset, he's lashing out at, at the first person he can find. Defense attorney Sam Zangina argued prosecutors told a fragmented false story about Bob's death and that the motive was just not there. Prosecutors swept certain evidence under the rug and never called important witnesses to the stand.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  I think prosecutors called whoever they thought they needed to be on the stand.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Well, and you could also make the argument that if you thought they were so important, why didn't you call them to the stand?

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

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  According to K R O N four, Zangina argued that Khazar's testimony was not credible. I think she has a serious substance abuse problem and I don't think she's credible at all. She's not something you can hang your hat on. I'm not resting on a thing that girl said, not a thing. He emphasized that jurors should focus on Bob's toxicology report. Bob went on a three-day cocaine bender around the city before he died. He said, the evidence was that Lee had cocaine, ketamine, and alcohol in his system that affects pain receptors, affects perception. Prosecutors told you he uses drugs all the time and they don't affect him.

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  Is that the truth? Does that make sense?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Well, does it matter?

• 45:53Speaker 00

  That's what I was wondering. I get it. You're trying to come up with something, but it seems disjointed from what we know happened.

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  Yeah.

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  He might've been on a three-day bender. He was probably full of cocaine, ketamine. We know what the toxicology report said.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But what does that do with him being stabbed to death?

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  And why does 99% of the DNA on the handle belong to your client?

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  Yeah, I think that's a big hurdle that you have to overcome. If you want to believe any part of his story, I think you have to overcome this DNA evidence. And I don't know how you do, right? If Bob is the one who originally has the knife, I'm assuming he's carrying it by the handle, as most people would.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Right.

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  You're not going to carry it by the blade, right? That would be dumb. At the very least, you would expect there to be some mixture, some percentage of Bob's DNA, some percentage of Nima's DNA. But that's not what we see. Jurors took seven days to come to a verdict, but on December 17th, 2024, Nima Momeni was found guilty of second degree murder.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Seven days, that's a long time.

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  It is a long time. You and I have talked about a lot of deliberations that took 30 minutes, an hour, two hours, seven days.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  There were some convincing happened to go on behind those doors, I'm thinking.

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  Nima was also found guilty of the modifying charge of using a deadly weapon in the commission of the slang, which added weight at sentencing. He faced 16 years to life in prison. Nima's mother said after the verdict is quoted by NBC Bay Area, "My son is not the person that they think. He's very kind. He's very loving and respectful and caring."

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Good people can do bad things.

• 47:51Speaker 00

  Well, that's true. He might be the best son in the world.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  It doesn't mean that he didn't kill Bob Lee. Prosecutor Omid Talak said outside court, "I'll just say, I think the jury got it right. It was a tough case. A lot of people contributed to this case, making me and Dane Rainstat's job fairly easy. We're grateful. We're happy with the verdict." In March 2025, Bob Lee's family filed a lawsuit against Nima Momeni alleging negligence and wrongful death. The lawsuit also accused Nima's mother, sister, and his sister's husband of aiding and abetting and of conspiracy. The Lee sought punitive and financial damages,

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  alleging that the family aided and abetted Nima by allegedly trying to delete digital evidence, getting new phones, and hiding Nima's vehicle. They also claimed that the entities associated with portside apartments where Bob collapsed from his wounds, released private information, and videos of Bob's death without their consent.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's gonna frustrate anybody, right?

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  Yeah, you're gonna get really upset about something like that. Nima also sued several media outlets for defamation, invasion of privacy, fraud, intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress, professional negligence, breach of contract, and civil rights violations. He's seeking $17 million in damages from publishers of the San Francisco Standard, LA Times, and New York Post.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  He's going after the big guys.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, but is it gonna be hard for him? I mean, he was convicted of murder.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  So how much defamation could have gone on once you're convicted of murder?

• 49:50Speaker 01

  I mean, they're telling what they learned from the trial.

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  Jeremy Boyden never testified at trial and spoke out for the first time in early 2025. In an interview with Dateline, he said, "Bottom line is, I didn't do it. There was no sexual assault at any point." He did admit to slapping Khazar on the buttocks, but denied doing anything sexual against her will. He admitted he had an intimate physical relationship with Khazar for many months after Bob's death, and that Khazar called him to apologize for accusing him in front of jurors and reporters. He also said the allegations took a toll on his life and were outrageously not true, according to court documents. And, you know,

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  we go, I go back to that, that thing of, you know, she is calling him for more drugs.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  After alleging that he sexually assaulted her.

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  And her best friend came out and said she was not being truthful as well.

• 50:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, so really makes you wonder, right? You never want to say that someone's lying, right? When they make an accusation of sexual assault. Now, he's saying it in defending himself.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:08Speaker 00

  He's saying, hey, it didn't happen. I didn't do this, but...

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  And to that point, he's saying, after the death of Bob, they got together for several months.

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  They had a relationship. And that would have been after the alleged sexual assault.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  In January 2026, ABC 7 reported that Nima had still not been formally sentenced. Bob's ex-wife, Krista Lee, told the outlet, "It's a cruel waiting game, that's for sure. That little bit of peace would be very helpful in our healing process." Nima's attorney, Daniel Schirero, said he intended to make a motion for a new trial and was going through the trial transcripts, but he didn't have all of them. The attorney wrote, "We can't go forward with the new trial motion until we have the chance to review all the transcripts. No sentencing can occur while the new trial motion is pending." He also noted that there were two court reporters during the trial. One produced a substantial

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  amount of transcripts, but there was also a substantial amount that had not been produced. The other reporter had not produced any transcripts so far. Bob's daughter, Scout Lee, also told ABC 7, "It just feels like we're not getting the justice that we need by continuously pushing the sentencing back." Scout recalled that she felt scrutinized by all the media coverage surrounding her father's murder in the trial. She wished there had been an organization that could help her during this time, so she created the nonprofit called "Beacons of Bereavement," or BOP.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Oh, awesome.

• 52:53Speaker 00

  The nonprofit funds therapy and mental health support for victims. And I don't see how that could ever be a bad thing.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Right.

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  As long as the nonprofits run the way it should be.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  And people can get in trouble with nonprofits if they misuse them.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  But it sounds like it could provide a lot of help. DA Brooke Jenkins told ABC 7, "They're entitled to have finality in this case, or at least they should be. He's entitled to file a motion for a new trial or an appeal, but that in no way should, in our system, stall his ultimate sentencing." Nima's sentencing was further delayed this July. As his attorney argued, "There was racial or ethnic bias at play in the trial. A judge agreed to an evidentiary hearing on the issue." And Nima and his attorney were back in court in mid-August, so obviously

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  very recently. The defense argued that stereotypes about Middle Eastern men were invoked at trial and may have played a role in the jury's decision. According to KRON 4, "It remains unclear what the next steps would be if the judge were to find compelling evidence of racial bias."

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Sounds like this one might be sitting, uh, sitting around for a while.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, it's, it's certainly in limbo. He's been convicted, but he's not been sentenced. And obviously, there is a chance he could get a, a new trial. There's, there's a motion up. That's tough on, on Bob's family.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Sure it is.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  They've been waiting quite a while now for him to be sentenced, but no, I'm sure he has some money. He's probably got good attorneys and they're dragging this thing out and trying to get him a new trial.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Well, that's what attorneys are for.

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  But as we wrap this one up, Gibbs, there were a couple of things that stood out to me about this case. Number one, you have a number of very wealthy, influential people, right, involved in this thing. But you also have quite a bit of drugs.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  And allegations of sexual assault. I still go back to Nima being so upset about getting this call from his sister and her saying that Jeremy sexually assaulted her, but in his mind, Bob is the more evil of the two.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Cause Bob left her alone with him.

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  And he also introduced her to Jeremy in the first place.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  And that one's a little tough. I mean, people introduce people to others all the time. How can they be held responsible for that, uh, some weird thing or bad thing that that person might do later on?

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Exactly. And she was...

• 55:55Speaker 01

  You know, in that elite circle of meeting people all the time.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  Well, and they were all hanging out together.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  And I think that's part of what makes this story so strange. It's not like these people were strangers.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  They were, if not friends, they were definitely partying together, hanging out together. Um, then you have, you know, this allegation of a sexual assault that some people are saying is a fabrication. It's not true.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  But could be the catalyst for this entire murder.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Could be. I mean, for me, it all comes down to the video and the DNA on the knife.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  Again, I think the DNA on the knife is probably the biggest.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:43Speaker 00

  Because even with the video, could some of what you see maybe fit his self-defense theory? Maybe. I doubt it. The video probably pretty much discounts that. But there's no doubt that the DNA.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:58Speaker 00

  Discounts it. But it's, it's pretty much like I always think, right? You have to come up with something as a defendant to combat all this evidence that the prosecution has against you. And sometimes even the best you can do just kind of seems wacky. But what else is there?

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  You put up no defense, you gotta at least try something.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  So at this point, he's convicted and just waiting to be sentenced.

• 57:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, he has been waiting for a while now.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  More importantly, Bob's family's been waiting.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, I think that is more important. Because, you know, he, he was convicted at the end of 2024.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 00

  So pretty soon it'll be two years, two full years without him being sentenced. Now, he's still incarcerated, right? So he's doing time.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 00

  But there's still not that finality for Bob's family. But that's it for our episode on Bob Lee. We got a voicemail. You want to check that out?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Let's hear it.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Hey, it is Tyler from Abilene, Texas, the birthplace of Bernie Tita. I just wanted to call and let y'all know that y'all do a great job on this podcast and it is very enjoyable. It's gotten me through a lot of long nights at the convenience store. So I just wanted to thank y'all. I am currently, currently just finished the Menendez Brothers episodes. And I have listened to a lot of True Cotton podcasts. I have listened to a lot. But nothing has made me as sick to my stomach because those two little bastards. Uh, I, it made me so sick, I had to call my mom and tell her I loved her. So thank y'all for everything you do.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Well, we appreciate the voicemail and the kind words very much. I will say, you know, the Menendez brothers are pretty polarizing.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  You know, there's some people who hate them or some people who think they were justified. I mean, opinions on them really are kind of all over the place.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Really are.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  It's not like a, a Ted Bundy or a John Wayne Gacy or a Dahmer. You're not going to find many people who don't believe they did it or they did it for a reason that they're okay with, but you do find some of that with some people with the Menendez.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can see it online all the time.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  What did he say? What was the birthplace?

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Oh, Bernie Tita. Remember Bernie? He, uh, I love Bernie Tita. Well, he's a killer, but you know what I mean? He was the one that operated the funeral home.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  And befriended, uh, the older woman.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:39Speaker 00

  And, uh, Jack Black played him in the movie and stuff.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  That's where they did the funny, different parts of Texas.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, I got a kick out of doing that episode. I really did. I remember. I don't remember every episode, but I definitely remember that one.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  You had fun with that.

• 59:55Speaker 00

  We did. All right, buddy. That is it for another episode of True Crime All the Time. So for Mike.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  And Gibby.

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  Stay safe and keep your own time ticking.