Pod Insights True Crime All The Time Angela Montgomery About this episode Gabrielle Rodgers, a Georgia mother, was shot by a woman she met in a Facebook mom group, who then kidnapped her newborn twins. Gabrielle survived the shooting and immediately fled to get help. Officers then began a desperate search to find the missing twins and the suspect, a woman Gabrielle identified as “Kathleen Daniels,” before it was too late.
Join Mike and Gibby as they discuss Angela Montgomery. Investigators soon learned that Kathleen Daniels was a fake identity. As they closed in on the real perpetrator, the details of what Montgomery had done became clear. And to say that the details were scary would be an understatement. This is the type of case that will make you rethink befriending people on the internet.
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Transcript 0:00 Speaker 00 Hello everyone and welcome to episode 479 of the True Crime All the Time Podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson and with me as always is my partner in true crime, Mike Gibson. Gibby, how are you?
0:10 Speaker 01 Hey, I'm doing good. How about you, man?
0:11 Speaker 00 I'm doing great.
0:12 Speaker 01 Good.
0:13 Speaker 00 Having a good week. We just talked about it on our Patreon video. My youngest is turning 21.
0:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
0:21 Speaker 00 So that's making me feel a little old.
0:23 Speaker 01 Well, you're looking a little old.
0:24 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's fair. I'm not gonna argue with you about that. All right, buddy. Are you ready to get into this episode of True Crime All the Time?
0:34 Speaker 01 I am ready.
0:35 Speaker 00 We're talking about Angela Montgomery. And this is a case that, you know, it's fascinating, but it's might be known to a few people. This is a fairly well-publicized case, and there have been some cases like this. But, you know, we started out talking about Gabrielle Rodgers, a Georgia mother. She was shot by a woman she met in a Facebook mom group.
1:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02 Speaker 00 Who then capped her, who then kidnapped her newborn twins. But she survived. Gabrielle did, and she was able to get help. But then you have this big search, right, for the suspect. The problem was that the person she met online was using a fake name.
1:22 Speaker 01 So not the same person legally.
1:25 Speaker 00 That she knew.
1:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:27 Speaker 00 That she thought she was dealing with. In the spring of 2021, 23-year-old Gabrielle Rodgers had recently given birth to twin boys named Lorenzo and Mateo. Gabrielle and the twins lived in Savannah, Georgia with her sister Jasmine. You ever been to Savannah?
1:45 Speaker 01 Uh, not for a long, long time, but yeah.
1:48 Speaker 00 Yeah, I love Savannah.
1:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50 Speaker 00 I actually love that movie Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, which is kind of all about Savannah and the eccentricities of some of the people there.
2:00 Speaker 01 Does that have that, um, oh, uh, John?
2:05 Speaker 00 Cusack?
2:05 Speaker 01 Cusack in it.
2:06 Speaker 00 Kevin Spacey.
2:07 Speaker 01 Kevin Spacey, yeah.
2:08 Speaker 00 It's a good movie.
2:09 Speaker 01 Yeah. Is that where your other favorite movie, Hope Floats, gets from?
2:12 Speaker 00 No, I do not like Hope Floats. Will never ever watch it again. Can never get back those two hours of my life.
2:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:21 Speaker 00 When my wife made me watch that. Lorenzo and Mateo were only six weeks old when they were abducted. Gabrielle wanted to connect with other new moms, so she joined a local Facebook group. And she soon connected with a woman named Kathleen Daniels. The two women messaged each other and even met up in person on at least one occasion.
2:45 Speaker 01 There's a lot of those Facebook mom groups.
2:47 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, I think there's a Facebook group for just about everything.
2:51 Speaker 01 That's true.
2:52 Speaker 00 Right? Local and national, international. I mean, if you can't find what you're looking for on Facebook or find a group who, you know, is talking about something you want to talk about. I don't know where else you would find it.
3:08 Speaker 01 True. I mean, yeah, I started that group for you. Fergie did it.
3:12 Speaker 01 It's out there.
3:14 Speaker 00 And then I started that one for you. If Gibby did it.
3:19 Speaker 00 On the morning of May 11th, 2021, Kathleen showed up at Gabrielle's home with the promise of bringing over baby formula. And we talked about, you know, this new mom group, right? Being a new mom, man, there's so much that goes into it.
3:37 Speaker 01 There is.
3:38 Speaker 00 So to have some other people, maybe to ask questions or to rely on, that could be a really big thing. Especially if you don't have a ton of family around, things like that.
3:50 Speaker 01 Like somebody that's been there before to ask.
3:53 Speaker 00 Yeah.
3:53 Speaker 01 Now you, at least you have this group of all these moms that can, you know.
3:58 Speaker 00 Help you out.
3:59 Speaker 01 Help out and give you some advice.
4:00 Speaker 00 Yeah, a little support system.
4:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:03 Speaker 00 Gabrielle would recall that after Kathleen arrived around 10:20 a.m., she became upset over a missing cellphone. She shot Gabrielle three times, once in the head, chest and leg. She then kidnapped Gabrielle's twins and fled the area.
4:22 Speaker 01 Wow. That's a nightmare right there.
4:25 Speaker 00 Well, it is. It's a very scary story, right? Number one, it is kind of the danger of, you know, meeting people online. Is there any way to really know who these people are, especially if you're connecting in person?
4:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:42 Speaker 00 You know, I think that's the danger with that.
4:45 Speaker 01 It's just kinda sad when you think about it because we put a lot of, or we used to, I think it's thinned out somewhat, but we used to put so much trust into people that we met online. You just assume that they're being truthful to you. They're being honest and, and.
5:01 Speaker 00 I don't think I ever did that.
5:02 Speaker 01 Really?
5:03 Speaker 00 No.
5:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, and then you find out.
5:04 Speaker 00 That's why you've been catfished twenty some different times.
5:09 Speaker 01 Probably true.
5:09 Speaker 00 I never put that much, uh, faith into anybody that I met online.
5:16 Speaker 01 Well, good, that's a good thing you haven't.
5:19 Speaker 00 Oh, that's how you ended up sending all that money to the prince and I mean, you've just been fleeced out of all kinds of money over different things. But, you know, just, uh, like you said, a very scary situation.
5:34 Speaker 01 It is.
5:35 Speaker 00 A new mom with her twins thinks she's meeting a, a new friend.
5:41 Speaker 01 Right.
5:41 Speaker 00 Will call her to get some baby formula. Next thing you know, she shot three times and this woman is taking off with her young, young.
5:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:54 Speaker 00 Twins.
5:55 Speaker 01 Took my babies.
5:56 Speaker 00 So Gabrielle was in severe pain. She was bleeding heavily, which is gonna happen when you're shot three times and, you know, let's face it, head and chest. Okay, that's, that's pretty brutal. Now, getting shot in the leg is no walk in the park.
6:13 Speaker 01 No, not at all.
6:15 Speaker 00 You could die from just being shot in the leg if it hit, you know, an artery or something like that. So she's going through all this, but she was able to get out of the house and drag herself to a neighbor's home across the street. Gabrielle collapsed on the front porch and asked the neighbor to call 911. So I don't know if maybe that is part of mom strength. You, you, you hear these stories about moms who in the heat of the moment are able to lift a car.
6:48 Speaker 01 Right.
6:48 Speaker 00 Off of a shot.
6:49 Speaker 01 Sure.
6:50 Speaker 00 This woman is very badly injured. I, I can imagine.
6:56 Speaker 00 The main thing though, going through her mind is I gotta get help for my, my children.
7:03 Speaker 01 Yeah. You wonder if she didn't have kids, would she have that same strength to get to the neighbor's house?
7:07 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Doorbell camera footage captured her saying she took my kids and shot me. I think I'm dying. Medics arrived pretty quickly as Gabrielle was lying on the ground, receiving treatment from first responders. She said, her name is Kathleen Daniels. She took my kids. So first of all, you know, you have this fact that she's still alive.
7:36 Speaker 01 Right.
7:37 Speaker 00 Which is, I mean, a miracle for her. And then also, how helpful is it for her to be able to still relay information to, you know, the authorities?
7:50 Speaker 01 I'm sure the police are like, this is great. We have a name. We know what she's done. We're, we're take it from here.
7:57 Speaker 00 Yeah, we'll track her down and we'll get these kids back. Jasmine told the police she was aware of Kathleen Daniels. She knew Gabrielle met her on a Facebook mom group and she believed that like Gabrielle, Kathleen was a new mom of twins. And I think, you know, this kind of goes to the catfishing part, right? If you are going to be on a Facebook group called new moms, well, then you have to portray yourself as a new mom.
8:27 Speaker 01 Exactly. I mean, that's the whole point, purpose behind the book. I mean, the book, the, the Facebook group.
8:35 Speaker 00 Book? Is there a book being written now at this point?
8:39 Speaker 00 Gabrielle continued answering questions as she was being transported to the hospital. She believed that Kathleen was a nurse at Memorial Hospital. And she even said that she thought she possibly worked on the fifth floor or in the emergency room.
8:56 Speaker 01 Some good memory.
8:57 Speaker 00 It is, but if the name's not real.
9:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:02 Speaker 00 As we know, it's going to turn out not to be. Is any of the other details that this woman has given her real? Jasmine remained back at the crime scene, assisting officers and trying to get camera footage of the suspect. Jasmine explained that she had gone out to get breakfast and when she returned, she was looking for Gabrielle and saw blood on the floor. The front door was open at 10:22 a.m. The neighbor yelled for her to come over and she discovered what happened to her sister. So you and I talk a lot about, okay, a person finding a family member deceased and how brutal that would be.
9:46 Speaker 00 And this is a little different situation because, you know, she's coming home. She sees blood.
9:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:53 Speaker 00 I'm assuming a large amount of blood. You gotta start freaking out at that point, but her sister is still alive. She's just gravely injured. Still can't be an easy situation.
10:05 Speaker 01 No, it can't be, you know, just thinking of it in my head right now, you know, how scary of a situation that would be.
10:13 Speaker 00 Like if you were in that position?
10:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:15 Speaker 00 Yeah, I do that too. I try to put myself in the position of some of these individuals, you know, what are they going through? What would it have been like? It's always scary.
10:26 Speaker 01 And then I'd be, where's my nieces, nephews?
10:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
10:30 Speaker 01 You know, where are they?
10:31 Speaker 00 Right. Cause that's gotta be the immediate, like kind of second thought.
10:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:37 Speaker 00 Right? My sister's fighting for her life, but where's her kids?
10:41 Speaker 01 Yes.
10:41 Speaker 00 Her, her very young kids. Officers canvassed the neighborhood, but no one had any video footage. Some people had heard gunshots, but no one saw the shooting or witnessed a suspicious vehicle in the area. And you know what? I was kinda surprised by this because we're talking about 2021.
11:02 Speaker 01 Right.
11:03 Speaker 00 And we don't have any surveillance footage, not even a doorbell camera. That's shocking.
11:10 Speaker 01 It is shocking.
11:10 Speaker 00 Cause of how many people have those nowadays.
11:13 Speaker 01 I mean, I, when I drive around the town I live in, I mean, it looks like almost everybody has one of those doorbells.
11:21 Speaker 00 Well, and my assumption is that the purchase of those doorbells went up significantly once people figured out that you were moving into the neighborhood.
11:33 Speaker 01 Probably.
11:34 Speaker 00 It seems only logical.
11:35 Speaker 01 Eh, there's, there's possibility.
11:37 Speaker 00 Security systems, ring doorbells, full blown, 12 camera securities outfits.
11:45 Speaker 01 I mean, I know they got an extra police vehicle and a patrol person in there too, so.
11:50 Speaker 00 They passed a levy to, uh, to hire an extra, um, policeman. So, yeah, I was, I was kinda shocked by that. So, police checked Gabrielle's home security panel, which contained all the camera recordings. An Uber Eats driver made a delivery at 9:57 a.m. Gabrielle opened the door to get the food and appeared unharmed. She didn't seem as though she was in distress at that time.
12:21 Speaker 01 All good at that time.
12:22 Speaker 00 Yeah. Kathleen Daniels didn't show up on the front door camera, which indicated that she had to have come in from the back door. Jasmine told the police that they did use the back door regularly. So, you know, going back to footage, it didn't seem as though neighbors captured anything, but obviously Gabrielle and Jasmine had a, you know, a system to, to capture video. And I don't know about the back door. I mean, most people, I would think, don't use that as regularly as they do their front door.
13:05 Speaker 01 So, see, that's, I use my back door all the time.
13:08 Speaker 00 Do you?
13:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. I'm over.
13:11 Speaker 00 Do you realize how that just came out?
13:14 Speaker 01 I just thought about that as, uh,
13:16 Speaker 00 Okay.
13:16 Speaker 01 as it was coming out. Yeah.
13:17 Speaker 00 Yeah. As it was coming out. Alright.
13:19 Speaker 01 But, uh, but I do have like a camera that is on my back door.
13:26 Speaker 00 And that would make sense.
13:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:28 Speaker 00 That would make sense because. Most people I don't think do.
13:32 Speaker 01 No.
13:33 Speaker 00 They, they, if they're going to do a ring doorbell, it's going to be on the front door where packages get dropped off. Most people are going to ring the doorbell. But if you're someone that, that is going to, to use the back often, I would think you'd want.
13:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:49 Speaker 00 Something similar on that as well.
13:52 Speaker 01 Yeah. I like to know if anyone's approaching my back door.
13:55 Speaker 00 I think, I think that's a, that's just sound advice for everyone.
14:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:01 Speaker 00 I think.
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14:34 Speaker 00 A detective interviewed Gabrielle's sister and uncle who had arrived at the scene. Her uncle speculated that Kathleen was after the twins. And again, that's speculation, but I understand where it comes from.
14:49 Speaker 01 Yeah. I don't know if you had to put a whole lot of thought into that.
14:52 Speaker 00 No.
14:53 Speaker 01 Knowing that the twins are gone.
14:56 Speaker 00 Yeah. She took the twins.
14:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:58 Speaker 00 So shooting Gabrielle seems to be part of a plan to get the, the twins. Gabrielle's cell phone had been stolen, but the FBI traced it to a nearby neighborhood, a couple of blocks away where it was found in the grass. Gabrielle was able to speak to detectives before she underwent emergency surgery. And once again, she identified her shooter as her friend Kathleen Daniels.
15:28 Speaker 01 As the person she knew.
15:29 Speaker 00 Yeah. I mean, what else would she say? She knew this person. She obviously was there, witnessed this person shooting her.
15:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:39 Speaker 00 As we mentioned, Gabrielle believed that Kathleen worked at Memorial Hospital. And that was the same hospital that Gabrielle was brought to. Gabrielle also confirmed she had pictures of Kathleen on her phone, but she couldn't find them when she looked, which suggested the possibility they had been deleted.
15:59 Speaker 00 Go ahead.
16:00 Speaker 01 I was thinking, how pissed are you at this moment that you trusted somebody, allowed them into your, into your world?
16:10 Speaker 00 Yeah.
16:11 Speaker 01 You know, and allowed them to be around your babies?
16:14 Speaker 00 Well, obviously, I mean, she's also fighting for her life. So I don't know how much of that comes right then and there and how much of it is going to come later. But going back to this whole cellphone thing.
16:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:29 Speaker 00 I kind of wondered why the cellphone would have been taken from the scene and then, you know, left somewhere else.
16:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:39 Speaker 00 Because, I mean, who doesn't know in 2021 that cellphones can be tracked?
16:44 Speaker 01 Right.
16:45 Speaker 00 So you're not going to take it with you and keep it. That would be idiotic. But if you knew that this person had pictures of you on that phone, does it seem logical that this person took Gabrielle's phone somewhere along her escape route, deleted the pictures and then maybe threw it out of the car or something like that?
17:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, just more cleanup, cover up stuff.
17:14 Speaker 00 Yeah. Detectives went to the fifth floor where the suspect reportedly worked, but couldn't find her. So they're looking for her, obviously, at this hospital.
17:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, based on the stories that she told.
17:28 Speaker 00 Gabrielle.
17:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:29 Speaker 00 Said that she thought she possibly worked on the, the fifth floor. Back at the house, Gabrielle's sister Jasmine revealed an important detail. Kathleen had been to their home before, which meant they had security footage of her. Kathleen came over for a picnic in the park with Gabrielle and the twins and brought her son.
17:53 Speaker 01 Okay, so some promising news.
17:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, because there's no images of her on the cell phone. They already figured that out. She wasn't captured that day on surveillance video, likely for good reason. She knew where the cameras were.
18:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:11 Speaker 00 And she went around to the back to kind of circumvent them, but she probably wasn't thinking about that, you know, in an earlier trip and was caught on surveillance video. Although it was grainy, detectives now had a photo of both Kathleen and her vehicle.
18:34 Speaker 01 That's great.
18:35 Speaker 00 It's a lot to go on, right? We talk about cases so often where police have so very little to work with. And it seemed as though that was going to be the case here.
18:49 Speaker 01 Right.
18:50 Speaker 00 We have what we know is a fake name. And at least in the beginning, no video surveillance of this person. Okay, that is going to be tough to work with. I think if you're an investigator, but you know, once you get not only a picture of her, but a picture of her vehicle, you really got some stuff to work with.
19:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, absolutely.
19:14 Speaker 00 The photo was distributed to all officers and a hospital administrator came down to make an identification. She didn't recognize the woman in the photo.
19:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:24 Speaker 00 And let's be honest, that doesn't surprise me at all.
19:28 Speaker 01 Me neither.
19:28 Speaker 00 If you're going to go on Facebook and try to catfish someone and you're using a fake name, are you really then going to be honest about where you work, what you do? No, you're just, you're going to make all of it up.
19:43 Speaker 01 Right.
19:43 Speaker 00 Is my way of thinking. Now, I don't catfish a lot of people, but if I were going to, that's the kind of the route that I would go.
19:52 Speaker 01 Interesting.
19:55 Speaker 00 You don't want to give away any of your catfishing secrets?
19:58 Speaker 01 Absolutely not.
19:59 Speaker 00 Okay.
20:00 Speaker 01 Besides, I work at a hospital as well.
20:02 Speaker 00 Just, just checking. A few miles from the crime scene, officers pulled over a car matching the description of Kathleen's vehicle after the driver rolled past a stop sign. And authorities did learn that Kathleen Daniels worked at the hospital. The problem was she didn't match the description.
20:26 Speaker 01 A different Kathleen Daniels, or Kathleen Daniels, but it wasn't.
20:30 Speaker 00 The person in the photo.
20:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:32 Speaker 00 So, you know, that, that's kind of interesting in and of itself. You know, she didn't, this woman didn't make it up entirely.
20:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:43 Speaker 00 She actually went to the length of finding someone who did work at the hospital and assuming that person's name.
20:51 Speaker 01 I mean, it's not a bad thing that, I mean, it is a bad thing to do. I'm thinking as the criminal, what you're trying to do is, you know, cover your bases a little bit, right? If someone would happen to check and call, I don't know, is this person need to tell me the truth? What? Oh, there is a cat. Oh, she does work there.
21:10 Speaker 00 She does work there.
21:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:11 Speaker 00 So, I mean, I think from, from that standpoint, obviously, this is a horrible thing to do. But when you're talking about, you know, dumb criminals or smart criminals or aspects of, of what they do, okay, she went a, a little above and beyond in trying to make sure that her fake identity was a little more passable. I, I guess I, I would put it that way. So, they pulled over this car and inside was a man and a woman. They explained that they had just left the courthouse after applying for a marriage license. They were cleared of any involvement and released.
21:51 Speaker 01 Okay.
21:52 Speaker 00 Number one, a lot of people are pulled over for rolling a stop sign.
21:58 Speaker 01 Yes, I know.
21:59 Speaker 00 And unfortunately, I do that a lot.
22:01 Speaker 01 Me too.
22:02 Speaker 00 And a lot of people do. You know, if you're at a four way, let's say there's a four way right up the road from my house here, obviously I can see there's nobody at
22:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:13 Speaker 00 the other three locations.
22:15 Speaker 01 You're good.
22:16 Speaker 00 You know, number one, you're supposed to stop behind the line or behind the sign.
22:23 Speaker 00 Complete stop and then move forward. How many of us actually do that? Right? Half of us make the turn and stop, you know, peeking behind, you know, just past the sign. But what I would say is if you've done something criminal, man, you should be on your Ps and Qs, right? As far as driving.
22:45 Speaker 01 Don't give them any reason to pull you over.
22:48 Speaker 00 Yeah. Now, these people weren't involved, but not fun, I'm sure to be questioned as a a possible shooter and kidnapper.
22:59 Speaker 01 No, it's not fun.
23:00 Speaker 00 Three hours into the search, a detective recognized the woman in the photo. From a prior arrest, she was identified as 23-year-old Angela Montgomery. And it's pretty interesting on its own.
23:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, to have to recall that. Yeah, I think so too.
23:18 Speaker 00 Cause you figure detectives, police officers, they have so many interactions with people, right? Day in and day out. So to be able to recognize the person and figure out who it was, it's pretty remarkable, actually.
23:35 Speaker 01 And it wasn't like it was a crystal clear photo either. So.
23:37 Speaker 00 No, it was grainy.
23:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:39 Speaker 00 Before Gabrielle went in for her second surgery, investigators asked her to confirm the identification through a photo lineup. So, I mean, that's tough. I mean, she literally is still in the middle of kind of battling for her life. She's in between surgeries, but no doubt they want to, you know, not waste any time because let's not forget in this whole thing, there's, there's two very young children.
24:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:09 Speaker 00 Who are missing.
24:11 Speaker 01 That need their mom.
24:12 Speaker 00 Yeah, absolutely. Gabrielle tapped on the second photo in the lineup, which was Angela, and she identified the woman as Kathleen. Four hours into the search, the Savannah SWAT team went to Angela Montgomery's address in Rincon, Georgia, about 20 miles away. The team breached the house and recovered the twins, who were thankfully unharmed. Angela was found hiding in a closet. Also found in the closet was the 40 caliber pistol used in the shooting.
24:47 Speaker 01 Wow.
24:48 Speaker 00 As she was being walked out of the house, Angela said, my mom didn't know. She didn't know. But she also claimed, I didn't do anything. So what was it that your mom didn't know about?
25:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, your mom didn't have any questions about these two babies?
25:09 Speaker 00 Well, I'm, I'm assuming she had hidden them maybe from her mom, but you know, just look at the scene. Right? She's hiding in a closet. She has the twins and she has this 40 caliber pistol that was later determined to be used in the shooting. Okay. At that point, it's kind of hard to claim that you didn't do anything.
25:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:37 Speaker 00 Now, I, I get it. Most people don't want to admit to any wrongdoing, but it does become tough. Angela's mother was temporarily detained for questioning. She said she was under the impression that the babies were Angela's and that they were born that very day. Like she just came home from the hospital after delivering these twins.
26:00 Speaker 01 Okay. I mean, most daughters that give birth call their mom and say, hey.
26:06 Speaker 00 Yeah. Most of them have them in the room or at the very least, you know, they're at the hospital with them. Angela's mother told the police, this is crazy. And I think if you are her, the situation is crazy.
26:20 Speaker 01 Sure it is.
26:21 Speaker 00 Police, not just police, a SWAT team is breaking into your home and they're arresting your daughter. They're taking these twins. And I think at this point, you're finding out that, hey, these are not my daughters.
26:37 Speaker 01 Right.
26:38 Speaker 00 Officers made a disturbing discovery inside the home. They found a calendar with the word twins written on May 8th, three days before the kidnapping.
26:49 Speaker 00 Angela was read her rights and agreed to talk. She maintained that she was unaware. A crime was committed and took possession of the babies from her alleged twin sister.
27:01 Speaker 01 Wow. So she's gonna continue fabricating something.
27:08 Speaker 00 Yeah. And, you know, I, I think there are people like that. You know, she had built up this fake persona.
27:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:16 Speaker 00 She had gone into this Facebook group. She had befriended Gabrielle. You know, was this in some way, Gibbs, like a fantasy world to her? And is she still living in it? Or is she just trying to, you know, throw the cops off and deflect? I, I don't know. The detective first asked Angela, what happened today? Angela replied, a lot, apparently, to be very frank.
27:48 Speaker 01 Okay.
27:49 Speaker 00 First of all, you said that nothing bad happened. You didn't do anything, but now you're saying, well, apparently a lot happened because the SWAT team just invaded my house and something's going on.
28:02 Speaker 01 Why is she bringing Frank into this?
28:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't know.
28:05 Speaker 01 Frank's always getting pulled into things.
28:06 Speaker 00 Surely.
28:09 Speaker 00 So she was asked to kind of start from the beginning. And she said, okay, I'm gonna be honest. And that's always a, kind of an interesting start to any interrogation.
28:22 Speaker 01 It always makes me a little nervous when, when someone says, okay, I'm gonna be honest. Or, okay, I'm gonna tell you the truth.
28:29 Speaker 00 Now.
28:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:30 Speaker 00 Cause I've been lying to you this whole time.
28:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:33 Speaker 00 She said, you can look up my birth records. I'm adopted and I have a sister. We're twins. Her name is Destiny. What happened this morning, I swear on everything I love. I got a call. You can check my phone if you have it. It was from Destiny telling me, can you meet me at the hospital? And when I met Destiny, the first time I ever saw those kids this morning, I didn't know at the time what happened. And I said, what do you want me to do? Put them in my white sedan and I drove to my house where they found me. When I got to my house, my phone starts going off. It's an Amber Alert. And I saw it was for two six-week-old babies.
29:17 Speaker 00 So first of all, there's a couple of things here, right?
29:20 Speaker 01 Right.
29:20 Speaker 00 This is a, a pretty wild story.
29:24 Speaker 01 It is.
29:25 Speaker 00 Um, but let's face it, up to this point, everything that she has said and done has been, you know, pretty wild, to be honest. But I also want to go back to the mom and I don't want to disparage her at all. But I, I think most mothers would be able to tell the difference between babies born that very day and six week old babies.
29:51 Speaker 01 I would hope.
29:52 Speaker 00 I'm, I'm just putting that out there, but again, I don't want to disparage her mom. I don't know for sure. Maybe she didn't get a great look at them. I, I don't know.
30:02 Speaker 01 But is she setting the stage to say that she's got a twin sister, that her twin sister took these babies and not her? You got the wrong person.
30:13 Speaker 00 Right. Shock Gabrielle. Well, you know, let's break it down. If there is surveillance footage, which she probably at that point knew.
30:23 Speaker 01 Right.
30:24 Speaker 00 You have to explain that, right? We talk about this in many episodes. How does a person explain all of the things that are being thrown, you know, kind of against them as being incriminating? First of all, we got you on video. So boom, twin sister.
30:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:42 Speaker 00 Right? She looks just like me. She was at the hospital. She called me to come get these twins. I took them and here we are.
30:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:51 Speaker 00 I didn't do anything.
30:54 Speaker 00 Angela continued, the reason why this is so devastating to me is because I feel like I'm going to be in trouble for something that I didn't do. You know, and that would be devastating. The problem is you are lying your ass off.
31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah. And you're just trying to. Cover here.
31:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:12 Speaker 01 By saying, oh, this, this, this will be terrible if you guys think I did this.
31:16 Speaker 00 But that's what people do.
31:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:18 Speaker 00 And, and to me, it's, it's one of the more interesting parts of a case. Once someone is caught, how do they try to kind of wriggle out of all the things that, you know, they're up against? Now, the twin sister, you know, that's, that's a pretty good on the fly comment.
31:40 Speaker 01 It, it is, and you know, she's got a good imagination.
31:43 Speaker 00 Yeah. Now, it's also very daytime soap opera-y.
31:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:49 Speaker 00 You know, there's always a evil twin sister who comes back from the dead. I don't, I never watched soaps, but my wife used to.
31:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:58 Speaker 00 And some of the storylines on there, man, I was like, this woman's been dead four times. And somehow they keep bringing her back.
32:06 Speaker 01 You had a young and restless shirt that you used to wear to the office all the time.
32:11 Speaker 00 Never, never. Um, now she also acknowledged that it was her fault. She said, I shouldn't have allowed it to get this far. But I also didn't think that my sister would be bold enough to take nobody's kids.
32:28 Speaker 01 Okay.
32:30 Speaker 00 So she's sticking with the twin sister thing.
32:33 Speaker 01 She's doubling down.
32:34 Speaker 00 Doubling down. She was asked to give more information about her alleged twin destiny. She said they were fraternal twins who were separated from each other. They didn't meet until they were 12 years old, which, you know, let's be honest, does happen. We've, we've all heard of cases where people were separated, sometimes twin.
32:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:59 Speaker 00 And they later meet up or they find each other. Um, now, did it happen here? It'd be the, the most coincidental type of meetup story slash
33:13 Speaker 01 Sure would be.
33:14 Speaker 00 cover, right, in the history. According to, go ahead.
33:18 Speaker 01 I mean, to be fair, I have a twin.
33:21 Speaker 00 Hmm.
33:21 Speaker 01 Mitch. Um, I haven't seen Mitch for a long time, but if something terrible happens, it will be because Mitch did it.
33:31 Speaker 00 It's probably Mitch, right?
33:32 Speaker 01 Mitch did it.
33:33 Speaker 00 Who did it?
33:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:35 Speaker 00 According to Angela, she said, ever since we've met, my life has been hell. Anytime I moved, I'd give her like a year. And she'd show up, but she'd just pop up, want something or need something. Usually I'd just give her money and she's good. When she showed up this time in Georgia, I didn't want to close her off. Like I thought it was just going to be bad. And here we are at bad. Now, you know, people do have siblings, they have friends who, you know, tend to pop up when they need something. They don't want to see you out of the goodness of their heart, right? They want something from you.
34:19 Speaker 01 I mean, she is good at telling a story.
34:21 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's why I go back to, you know, was she living in kind of a, uh, this fantasy world that she had created, or is she just coming up with stuff on the fly to get out from under this very, very serious charge? Angela insisted that if the police could find Destiny, she would admit to taking the babies. And this is kind of a, you know, to me, an interesting part of the story because at no point is she talking about Gabrielle being shot.
34:56 Speaker 01 No.
34:57 Speaker 00 It's just about taking the baby. She hasn't even brought that up or addressed it at all at this point. Investigators had serious doubts about Angela's story. These doubts were strengthened when they received a call from one of Angela's former coworkers during her interview. The coworker's statement confirmed Angela was a liar. You ever known a liar?
35:22 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
35:24 Speaker 00 If you ever known someone who just lied about things that literally didn't mean anything.
35:30 Speaker 01 Like, why are you lying about that?
35:32 Speaker 00 Right. It like the smallest thing.
35:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:35 Speaker 00 I've known people like that and I never understood it. Now, you know, if it was something that you did at work, you didn't want to get in trouble for, okay, I'm not saying it's right. It would make more sense.
35:47 Speaker 01 Right.
35:48 Speaker 00 But some of these people I've known, they would lie about what they had for lunch and nobody cares what they had for lunch.
35:55 Speaker 01 Why are you lying? That it, no value here to lie.
35:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, it just, it just, you know, doesn't make any sense. But this coworker is interesting, right? She calls in. She also said, I personally didn't trust her a whole lot. Questionable things that she talked about that she had done in the past and who she was and just inconsistencies in stories. And that's, you know, let's face it, how a lot of people are caught in lies.
36:24 Speaker 01 True.
36:25 Speaker 00 You've said it many times, right? If you're going to go down that path of starting to tell lie after lie. Well, how good are you going to be in remembering the lies? Because the truth is easy to remember. It happened the way it happened.
36:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:43 Speaker 00 But when you start crafting these very elaborate stories, well, then it became, it becomes much tougher to kind of keep everything straight.
36:52 Speaker 01 Yeah. Easy to trip, get yourself tripped up.
36:55 Speaker 00 Yeah. And I think that's what this coworker is saying. You know, I can just imagine maybe they're sitting around the lunch table and you hear so many stories over time that they start to conflict each other.
37:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:09 Speaker 00 Or you hear the same story twice, but it has completely different facts, right? Or just major inconsistencies. Angela once claimed she was a first responder at ground zero on nine 11. We said it, right? She was 23 years old at the time she was arrested.
37:28 Speaker 01 Right.
37:29 Speaker 00 Meaning she would have been about two years old when the September 11th attacks occurred. Obviously, you know, if you're looking at it from that standpoint, there's no possible way that that story could be true.
37:42 Speaker 01 No.
37:43 Speaker 00 So why would you say that when it's so easily, um, you know, seen through?
37:51 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't you, uh, do your homework a little bit better? If that's what you're gonna use that as a point in time.
37:59 Speaker 00 Yeah. Unless she just thought people didn't know how old she was. She looked older than what she was. I don't know. However, she told the story multiple times, the different people, causing her coworker to question everything about her. And that's what always happens to these types of individuals. You know, once you are kind of outed as this fibber.
38:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:23 Speaker 00 Then, you know, people don't want to really take anything that you say from that point forward on face value. Cause how can you?
38:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, your credibility is shot.
38:33 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. A background check also refuted Angela's claims. There was no evidence of her having a twin sister. Meanwhile, Gabrielle Rodgers was out of surgery and in a more stable condition. An officer talked to her and remarked that her ability to run outside for help and describe what happened to her despite being in shock and pain was remarkable.
39:00 Speaker 01 Sounds remarkable.
39:01 Speaker 00 And we talked about it, you know, earlier on, it does seem like, again, I don't know if that's mom strength because we do hear about that sometimes. Gabrielle replied, I'm just glad my boys are safe. I just wanted to make sure they were okay.
39:20 Speaker 01 She, she did good.
39:21 Speaker 00 She did. She was able to give a more detailed statement. Gabrielle didn't see Angela take the boys out of the nursery or leave the house. She described exactly how the attack occurred though, saying she came behind me with a, a charger cord, a phone charger cord. She wrapped it around my throat. And was trying to like choke me with it. She kept saying, I'm taking the boys. I'm taking the boys. And I was like, what? No, you're not. You aren't taking my kids. And I guess that's when she pulled the gun out and I heard a pop. And then I remember falling
40:00 Speaker 00 onto the neighbor's doorstep and I was just trying to get help. So again, we said it, but how scary a situation this had to have been for, for Gabrielle. It sounds like she was trying to choke her.
40:16 Speaker 01 Sounds like it to me.
40:17 Speaker 00 But then maybe realized, hey, that that's not going to work because we've talked about this in other episodes. I do think people, as it appears in movies, it's not quite as easy to choke a person.
40:31 Speaker 01 No, it's not.
40:32 Speaker 00 As the movies make it appear. First of all, someone's not just going to sit there and let you choke them. And so to me, it might've been that she was going to go that route, but realized that wasn't going to work. And that's when she pulled out the gun and, and shot Gabrielle. Angela was denied bond and a mental evaluation was recommended. An officer testified at the hearing that Angela was found in her home with the gun used to shoot Gabrielle. The court also heard her strange statements about her fake twin sister. So, you know, to me, not surprising that the court would order a mental evaluation.
41:15 Speaker 00 It does seem like there's a distinct possibility that there could be some mental health issues at play here.
41:24 Speaker 01 Right.
41:25 Speaker 00 You know, this officer talking about the fact that she's found with the gun. I mean, do you, after you shoot someone, take the gun home with you?
41:37 Speaker 01 Typically.
41:38 Speaker 00 I mean, I would think most killers, if they're
41:43 Speaker 00 Using their noggin.
41:44 Speaker 01 Right.
41:45 Speaker 00 Which we don't want them to. We want them to do dumb stuff and get caught. But if they were being smart about it, they would throw it in the lake or throw it somewhere where it can't be found.
41:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean typically, I would break the pistol down.
41:59 Speaker 00 Sure.
42:00 Speaker 01 And throw the pieces away in different parts of the.
42:04 Speaker 00 Like in Godfather two, you jump across the, uh, the buildings and just dump them in chimneys.
42:10 Speaker 01 Exactly.
42:11 Speaker 00 That you find.
42:12 Speaker 01 Exactly.
42:13 Speaker 00 I feel like you've done it. You're very, uh, very, uh, detailed in your story about how to get rid of the skin.
42:20 Speaker 01 You just gotta make sure, you know, you don't leave a puzzle that can be solved. And the way you don't leave a puzzle that can be solved is you have to get rid of pieces of the puzzle.
42:31 Speaker 00 Okay. I like that analogy. Obviously, if you're working a puzzle.
42:37 Speaker 01 Right.
42:38 Speaker 00 And somebody steals four or five pieces, you're never going to be able to completely finish it out.
42:43 Speaker 01 Exactly.
42:45 Speaker 00 Oh, my gosh.
42:48 Speaker 00 In 2021, Angela was indicted on two counts of kidnapping and one count of aggravated assault. On November 7th, 2023, Angela pleaded guilty, but mentally ill to four charges. Attempted murder, aggravated assault, and two counts of kidnapping, a gun charge was dropped. She was sentenced to 30 years in prison and a lifetime of probation.
43:15 Speaker 01 Okay. I mean, I think, um, that's probably a good sentence for her.
43:19 Speaker 00 Yeah. I mean, you know, you and I have problems with sentencing sometimes. I'm not upset about 30 years and lifetime probation.
43:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:28 Speaker 00 30 years is a long time.
43:30 Speaker 01 It is.
43:31 Speaker 00 Now, you did try to murder someone.
43:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:35 Speaker 00 But you didn't. That person didn't die. So obviously, that's a, it's a different charge. You did kidnap two kids, but I'm fine with 30 years. I'm not outraged like I am sometimes when a, a rapist gets two years. You know, we get upset about that.
43:55 Speaker 01 We do.
43:55 Speaker 00 Most of that happened in the 60s, 70s, whatever.
43:59 Speaker 01 Early on.
44:00 Speaker 00 Angela alleged she was previously pregnant with twins and miscarried early in her pregnancy, which provided a potential motive for kidnapping Gabrielle's twins. Gabrielle was reunited with her twins after multiple surgeries. So, you know, as we wrap this one up, Gibbs, obviously it's a horrifying story, but unlike many of the TCAT episodes that we do, no one died.
44:30 Speaker 01 No.
44:30 Speaker 00 And, you know, so Gabrielle lives, she was reunited with her, her children. It was said that she was adjusting to life as a new mom of twins, when she kind of sought out this Facebook community, right?
44:48 Speaker 01 Right.
44:48 Speaker 00 This Facebook Moms group. Angela Montgomery posing as Kathleen Daniels took advantage of Kathleen's trust and plotted to kidnap her babies. Although she was viciously attacked and shot, Gabrielle bravely sought help and did everything she could to help police, leading to the safe recovery of her twins just four hours after they disappeared.
45:13 Speaker 01 Very lucky, I think.
45:15 Speaker 00 Well, lucky and brave and remarkable. I mean, there's a lot that goes into something like this, right? But to be able to recover them four hours later.
45:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:29 Speaker 00 That's amazing.
45:31 Speaker 01 Truly.
45:31 Speaker 00 But I don't think it happens at all without the, um, without the camera footage from that earlier trip that Angela had made to the house.
45:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:42 Speaker 00 Cause without that, I don't know what they have to go on.
45:44 Speaker 01 They, they wouldn't have anything to go on, right? I mean, it, and I hate to say it, it sounds like she might've got away with it.
45:50 Speaker 00 Well, she might have, maybe Angela's mom or somebody else that knew her would've called in and said, hey, these are not her kids. Uh, maybe they would've seen the Amber Alert, but. It's just, it's a shocking story. Unfortunately, there are a number like this where women have attacked, killed moms to get to babies. Sometimes the babies aren't even born yet.
46:17 Speaker 01 And we did one not too long ago.
46:19 Speaker 00 Yeah, there's, there's a couple of cases like that. But that's it for our episode on Angela Montgomery.
46:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:28 Speaker 00 Um, what else? You got anything else?
46:30 Speaker 01 I hope you enjoyed that one. Yeah, not you, them.
46:33 Speaker 00 Yeah, I enjoyed it too.
46:34 Speaker 01 I could tell you enjoyed it.
46:37 Speaker 00 All right, we'll talk to you soon.
46:38 Speaker 01 See ya.
46:39 Speaker 00 Bye.
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