#675 - Professor Jiang

Professor Xueqin Jiang is a teacher and geo-politics expert known for his popular YouTube channel “Predictive History”. Professor Jiang joins Theo to talk about his method for predicting world events, what he thinks is really motivating the war in the Middle East, and how secret societies wield power behind the scenes. Professor Jiang: https://www.instagram.com/predictivehistory_ Animations by Chris Moran: https://www.instagram.com/chrismoran__ ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo Watch on Spotify. Spotify subscribers get fewer ads on our episodes. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Mail stuff to: ATTN: TPW PO BOX 40137 Nashville TN 37204 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend X: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Today's guest is a teacher, geopolitics expert and YouTuber known for his popular channel Predictive History, where he breaks down why global events happen and what could come next. We covered a lot of ground here, war in the Middle East, China versus America, secret societies. I had a fascinating chat with today's guest, Professor Zhang.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  Professor Zhang?

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Hey Theo.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  Is that correct?

• 0:45Speaker 01

  That's correct, yeah.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  Professor Zhang, thank you so much for coming by today.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Well, thanks so much for inviting me.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, very happy to have you. Is this your first time in Los Angeles?

• 0:53Speaker 01

  It's my first time in Los Angeles, yeah.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  And how's the experience been so far?

• 0:57Speaker 01

  It's been surreal. So your producers have been wonderful. They put me in this fantastic hotel and I went for a walk around the neighborhood, West Hollywood. So I went down San Monica Boulevard.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  It's just gorgeous. Just the streets are so illuminated and the businesses are so beautiful. But then, you know, as I'm walking, there's in the middle of the sidewalk, a pile of dog shit.

• 1:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  So I walked past it and it takes me a couple of minutes to realize that didn't come from a dog, actually.

• 1:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  So, yeah, it's been surreal.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, we got a lot of tall dogs in this area.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 00

  That's just a little decoration, brother. That's how it goes here. And if you're lucky, it'll have a needle in it in the middle.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  It's freedom, man.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  It is freedom, man. Professor Zhang, thank you so much for just making the trip, for coming and joining us. I know you're from your channel, your YouTube channel Predictive History. Can you tell us a little bit about your channel for people that don't know about it?

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm a high school teacher and what I try to do is try to explain geopolitics in a way that students can appreciate. And what I try to do is with my analysis, I try to make predictions. And that's a really good way to engage students as well as to test my own worldview, my own hypothesis. And so two years ago, while I was teaching this class, I made three predictions. The first is that Trump would win in 2024 and that he would launch this war against Iran and that he would lose this war. And I blew up online because it turns out that all three predictions should not be accurate.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Well, the first two for sure. And that's how you came on my radar was with those two predictions. That's how I learned about you at first. And before we move on with it, do you teach at high school?

• 2:54Speaker 01

  That's right. I teach at high school level.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  What's something that's kind of unique about a school in China, maybe that we wouldn't know?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Well, there are no guns.

• 3:00Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02Speaker 00

  Good. You win.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm sorry. So I've been in China and was just brainwashed all the time about American schools and American culture.

• 3:11Speaker 00

  But at least you're brainwashed not to have guns in school.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  That's some of the positive brainwashing at least. Yeah, you came on my radar whenever I saw the videos about you predicting your Trump win and predicting the war in Iran. I noticed that you use something called game theory.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:30Speaker 00

  Can you explain game theory, just so people know?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the idea of game theory is that if you want to analyze someone's behavior, you have to look at three things. First of all, you have to look at the structure of the game. How do you win the game? What are the rules? What are the incentives? And once you figure that out, then you can figure out his or her optimal behavior in this game. So in terms of geopolitics, just imagine the United States, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia as distinct players in the game, which they're trying to maximize the outcome against each other. And they will use their own unique strategies in order to achieve so. And that's how I'm able to make some amazing predictions.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. I know the game theory. I remember first hearing about it in that film Beautiful Mind.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, yes.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  Who was the, what was the guy's name, Nick?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  John Nash.

• 4:27Speaker 00

  John Nash, yeah. He uses that like whenever he's examining things or trying to figure things out, he uses that in there.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Anyway, crazy too.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, anyway, crazy. So best of luck.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Right, thank you.

• 4:39Speaker 00

  Best of luck, Professor. Yeah, let's talk about the war in Iran. Let's start there because that's fresh. That's on everybody's mind right now. Do you think it could be our new Vietnam? Or what do you, like, how are you viewing the war in Iran right now?

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, the best case scenario is that it becomes America's Vietnam. But I think the problem is

• 4:57Speaker 00

  That's best case scenario.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  That's best case scenario, yeah, yeah. But I think the problem is that this war is expanding very rapidly. So before, a few months ago, it was limited to a war between Israel, United States and Iran. And now it's brought in Saudi Arabia against the Houthis, which is in Yemen. There's a credible threat that the war in Ukraine might merge with the war in Iran.

• 5:23Speaker 00

  Really?

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Yes, because what's happened a couple of weeks ago is that a Iranian cargo ship that was transporting supplies from Russia to Iran through the Caspian Sea, it was hit by a Ukrainian drone. And since then, the Ukrainians have apologized. But according to game theory, right now, the Ukrainians aren't doing so well in Ukraine. And right now, Russia's fighting a war of attrition. And because Russia is such a much bigger power than Ukraine, in the long term, Ukraine will ultimately lose this war. So to change that dynamic, what Zelensky wants to do is lure America into the war. And the best way he

• 6:07Speaker 01

  can do that is combine the two fronts. So if Zelensky shows that Russia can supply Iran through the Caspian Sea, then America needs to stop this trade. And Ukraine can help America by sending drones to attack Iranian shipping. So there's a real threat that these two fronts merge, in which case all bets are off, in which case it's World War III. And you can also see the possibility of systems collapse, civilizational collapse as well.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  All of that from that?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  From that. And the reason why is that area, Ukraine, the Middle East, it's really the nexus or the heart of the global economy, because that's where the world

• 6:53Speaker 00

  But Ukraine and the Middle East are pretty far from each other. Can you even show me on this globe, actually? How far away from each other are they?

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Right, right. So this is really interesting, okay? So this is Iran.

• 7:00Speaker 00

  And you can move that closer.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Okay, sure. Yeah. So what I want to show you is how far these fronts are, okay?

• 7:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  So this war in Ukraine has been going on since 2022, right? It's been four years. And most of the fighting is going on in eastern Ukraine, right, over here. And fortunately, the war has been limited to this front. Now, as of late February, Iran, this war in Iran has broken out. And what's been happening is that at first, the main conflict was over the Strait of Hormuz, which is right here. But the problem is the entire Middle East depends on the Strait of Hormuz for trade. So Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait,

• 7:48Speaker 01

  what they do is they take their oil and then they transport it all the way through the Strait of Malacca to East Asia and to India and Pakistan. So really, the oil from the Middle East feeds the economies of Asia. You look at a place like Japan, it depends on three quarters of its oil from over here.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  In China, it depends on 40%, India, it's like 50, 60%, 60%. In return, these places will send food over back to the Middle East as well as water, because this place is a desert. They don't have their own food and water. But now, what people don't appreciate is that there are lots of byproducts of oil production. And one of these byproducts is fertilizer for food. And this fertilizer also transits food, the Strait of Hormuz, to Africa. And this fertilizer feeds their population. So imagine what happens if this entire air shuts down, right? You can have famine in Africa, you can have economic collapse in

• 8:57Speaker 01

  East Asia, which would then cause a domino effect where Africa breaks down, you have civil war, revolution in Africa. Then what happens? These migrants shift over to Europe. We've already seen that last week when you have this 50,000 essentially invasion.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  Morocco and Spain?

• 9:17Speaker 01

  That's right. A place called Ciotu, Spain, yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 00

  Right. And that's a small part of Spain that's actually connected to Morocco, right?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right. We can see how volatile the situation is.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  Wow, so it's really a domino effect.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Right. Now, Ukraine is very important because Ukraine and Russia together supplies the world with one third of its carbohydrates. So Ukraine

• 9:42Speaker 00

  Ukraine, say that again, Ukraine and Russia together supply the world with a third of their carbohydrates?

• 9:47Speaker 01

  So, so, yeah.

• 9:48Speaker 00

  Is that what you're saying?

• 9:49Speaker 01

  So what I'm saying is a third of the world's carbohydrates comes from Ukraine and Russia together.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Wow, is that true?

• 9:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  The claim is not accurate, but it means that one-third of all carbohydrates eaten or produced globally come from Russia and Ukraine. And more accurate version is Russia and Ukraine have supplied roughly 12% of internationally traded food calories in a very large share of specific grain export markets, about 28 to 30% of globally traded wheat. So, there is a huge amount of food calories that comes out of there.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  So that is true.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  That's right, yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  So, thanks so much for fact-checking me. But, yeah, but you can appreciate how the world depends on food, fertilizer, and energy from this area. And so, the great threat is that because Russia can supply Iran through the Caspian Sea, the war extends to the northern Caucasus, which brings in Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. And then, if that would happen, you can see this entire area is now engulfed in war. Another really critical thing that's been happening these past few weeks is that more and more nations are being brought into this war.

• 11:15Speaker 00

  Into which war? Into the one in the Middle East?

• 11:18Speaker 01

  In the Middle East. And the reason why is that for Iran to pressure the United States, what Iran can do is threaten the energy infrastructure of American allies in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain. What Iran can do is hold the energy infrastructure of the Middle East hostage. Imagine Saudi Arabia as just this huge oil field.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Right? And it's great in a time of peace, because you can take this huge oil field and sell it to Japan, China, South Korea, India. But the problem is that a huge oil field means it's a lake of gasoline. So, all they do is take a match, light it on fire, and then everything blows up.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  And Iran can do that with its drone and ballistic missile capabilities. And so, Iran is always threatening this. The other issue is that Iran has proxies, meaning allies, in the Middle East. And there are three major allies. The first are a people called the Houthis, who are these religious fanatic people who live in mountains. And they occupy a very strategic area called the Baal al-Mandab Strait.

• 12:30Speaker 00

  Baal al-Mandab Strait?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Yes. So, here's the Strait of Hormuz, yes?

• 12:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  This is the Baal al-Mandab Strait. And as you can see, these are the two most critical maritime choke points in the Middle East.

• 12:44Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  And the problem is that the Houthis live in mountains, so it's almost impossible to dislodge them. And because so much of maritime shipping requires insurance, any threat of destruction means that the insurance companies don't want to insure these ships, and that puts a halt on global trade. So, the real fear is that Saudi Arabia will launch a ground invasion to dislodge the Houthis and control this choke point, okay? So, you can imagine a massive alliance being formed to go against the Houthis. Another major proxy is called Hezbollah, which is in Lebanon.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  And these past few weeks, Israel has been trying to attack Hezbollah. And there's a real threat that this area, Lebanon, breaks out into total war. And right now, what Israel is trying to do is assemble an alliance to destroy Hezbollah. And this alliance includes Israel, but also includes Syria, and also includes the Lebanese Army. And Hezbollah is a proxy of Iran, so Iran, if it sees Hezbollah under threat, then Iran would extend the war in order to help out Hezbollah.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  But why would the Lebanese Army support Israel? Hasn't there been issues between Israel and Lebanon recently?

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Right, so...

• 14:18Speaker 00

  Hasn't there been attacks in Lebanon from Israel?

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Right. So, Israel is attacking Lebanon because it sees Hezbollah as a threat, because Hezbollah can launch rocket attacks against Israel, and Lebanon can threaten... Sorry, Hezbollah can threaten the Suez Canal.

• 14:36Speaker 00

  Because, wait, Israel has been attacking Lebanon, right?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 14:39Speaker 00

  Okay, great.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  That's right. So, Hezbollah is not part of the Lebanese government.

• 14:45Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  And so, imagine there are different sectarian groups in Lebanon, and they share power together. And one of these groups is Hezbollah. And Hezbollah is aligned with Iran, and they are committed to protecting themselves from Israel. And Israel sees them as a bunch of terrorists that need to be removed. And so, Hezbollah... The problem with Hezbollah is that it's extremely popular in Lebanon, among the Lebanese people, because unlike the Lebanese government, they're not corrupt, and they provide good services to the people.

• 15:21Speaker 00

  Understood. So, yes, sometimes we hear about these groups. You hear about Hamas, you hear about Hezbollah.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  But the people there in some of these countries actually prefer some of these groups, or actually do support some of these groups, because they're kind of an outlier government that's more supportive to the people?

• 15:37Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Than the actual government?

• 15:39Speaker 01

  That's right. So, they're popular because they are able to provide basic community services to the local population. And unfortunately, these governments in the Middle East, a lot of them have proved to be very corrupt, and a lot of their leaders seem to be sympathetic towards Israeli interests. And people suspect that they've been blackmailed by Mossad, because Mossad's very good at that.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. What kind of blackmail could Mossad be doing, do you feel like, in these spaces? Like, you talk about blackmail, and you hear about blackmail a lot.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:14Speaker 00

  You hear about Mossad, you hear about blackmail in America a lot.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:17Speaker 00

  Like, with the Epstein files and different places, holding things potentially over, like, American politicians' heads.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  So, I think that, rather than use the word blackmail, I think we can use the word influence.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  How are they able to have so much influence in the area?

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the easiest way is to become friends with these people, right? So, let's just say you're a leader of Lebanon. Well, you have children. Don't you want your children to go to the best schools? Don't you want your children to get good jobs, maybe working for, like, Goldman Sachs, maybe working for a university as professor? Well, we can help you, because we have all these friends in the United States, and we can arrange visas for your kids to go study at elite universities. We can ensure that they get good jobs, right?

• 17:05Speaker 00

  Right.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  I mean, it's that simple.

• 17:07Speaker 00

  Right.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  It's that simple. Let's just be friends.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  Right.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Right? And so, if you're a leader of a place like Lebanon, and the entire place is rife with sectarian violence, there's not much you can do...

• 17:17Speaker 00

  The entire place is rife with what?

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Sectarian violence.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  Sectarian violence?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Sectarian violence. So, let me spell it. Sectarian.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  Okay. Sectarian?

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Violence.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  S-E-C-T-A-R-I-A-N. And sectarian violence is physical conflict and harm between different religious or political groups within a community or nation. There's a lot of that in Lebanon?

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you have a lot of different religious groups in Lebanon.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  Okay, understood.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  You have the Christians, you have the Muslims, and then they're also broken up in, like, different groups. And there are also, like, these tribal loyalties throughout the Middle East. So, if you're a leader of Lebanon, or Iraq, or any place in the Middle East, you're dealing with a very volatile political situation. And do you really want to deal with these people, or would you rather use your position to ensure that your children have a better future?

• 18:12Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Right? To help out your relatives, to help out your friends? And that's why they go into these political positions. So, and that's the main way that Mossad is able to exert influence over the Middle East, because they can help these leaders send their money and their children to a safe place in Europe or the United States. And that is just being friendly.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's human survival, too.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:40Speaker 00

  It's like, where you want to survive, you want to be well enough to take care of yourselves.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 18:44Speaker 00

  So, it's not always like a level of blackmail that's violence. Sometimes it's a level of... It's a level of assistance.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  That's right. I'm just helping you out.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  We're helping each other out, right?

• 18:56Speaker 00

  Right.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  I help out your children, and you help me kill people who are doing nasty things, like Hezbollah. Right? We both hate Hezbollah, because they're terrorists. So, and we're just, like, rubbing each other's back.

• 19:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. You mentioned the Strait of Hormuz a few minutes ago.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Why is that place so important?

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, that place...

• 19:15Speaker 00

  Because you hear it all the time. Can you explain it kind of in basic terms, and why it's so important?

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Right. Okay. The Strait of Hormuz is the linchpin of the Middle East economy, because, like, if we just look at this globe, okay? There are certain countries that are within the Persian Gulf, right? Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, basically Dubai. Now, it's important, because there's only one way for them to transport their oil.

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Okay, got it.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Right, okay. Do you see how there's only one passageway? It's like a one-way street.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Right? So, they're going to take their oil and then transport it to East Asia.

• 20:00Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  And then, what they get in return is water and food, because it's a desert. They can't grow their own food.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  They don't have their own water.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Okay? So, that is crucial to their survival. If that were to be eliminated, like, suddenly closed off, then UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, all these places would be dead in the water.

• 20:26Speaker 00

  Recently, Trump had spoken up, I think it was even just the other day, where he said that Iran will be hit very hard. You know, he's always like, "We're gonna hit it, you know? We're gonna hit him in the, you know, in the fucking head nuts, or whatever. We're gonna fucking hit him in the, you know, the mittens they wear on their head." He's always doing something. But it's like, he said they're gonna be hit very hard if the Strait of Hormuz doesn't open very soon.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  How is Iran, like, controlling that effectively right now for themselves, right?

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  And how successful are they being with their management of the Strait of Hormuz right now?

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Yes, okay. So, to answer this question, I have to explain a concept to you called the escalation ladder.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Okay? So, what is the escalation ladder? It's a very simple idea, which is, in a fight...

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Emotions create momentum.

• 21:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Okay, so for example, let's just say you and I, uh, we have a fight. Um, I tell a joke, you, you think it sucks. I get pissed off at you, so I punch you. Right? So, so what, then you punch me back. Then I, I'm like, okay, then I take out a knife and I stab you. Then you get a knife and then you stab me. I take a gun, I shoot you, take a gun, then you shoot me, then I take out that bazooka and I hit you.

• 21:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Okay, so, so you, but you can see how it's a ladder and, and how, um, emotions create momentum. But there's a logic to the escalation, okay? So, understanding the escalation ladder now, I'll, I'll explain to you how the war in Iran has been escalating.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  And how it should continue to escalate if the war continues.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  So this is, so this is an escalation ladder you're showing involving, involving Iran and the Strait of Hormuz.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this is the United States and this is Iran, okay?

• 22:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  So, um, we start the war with the United States using something called a decapitation strategy. Meaning that, um, if, you know, what the United States believes that if I take out your leader, now you're leaderless and therefore you must surrender to me. So in the first day, uh, February 28th, they killed the Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran.

• 22:31Speaker 00

  The Ayatollah Khamenei, yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  That's right. And they killed also a lot of senior leadership. And this, this is what we call a decapitation strike. And the assumption is that if you have the leader, then Iran would break out into civil war and they surrender to you. And this is exactly what happened in Venezuela, uh, a few months back, right? So this is what we call a decapitation strike.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  When they got Maduro.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, and he was in jail with six nine, which is crazy. Um, okay, yes, so, but, but it didn't happen here.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  But it didn't happen here, okay? So that, that's a first strike, okay?

• 23:00Speaker 00

  So they tried it in Iran, they tried to do the decapitation strategy.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  But it didn't break out in civil war.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. So now what Iran does is it strikes back by closing off the Strait of Hormuz, right?

• 23:13Speaker 00

  And but that, but that's because they made a new Ayatollah who took over. Who was that?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  The son.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  The son.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Right, so they.

• 23:19Speaker 00

  So Khamenei's son.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  That, that's right. They replaced the Ayatollah Khamenei with the Ayatollah Khamenei.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then what Iran did, um, close up, the first thing they did was close up the Strait of Hormuz. They start to attack America's allies in the Middle East, including Qatar, uh, Dubai, Bahrain, Kuwait.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  America did?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  No, Iran did.

• 23:42Speaker 00

  Okay, so take me back a step.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Okay, all right. So the United States does a decapitation strike.

• 23:47Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  And then Iran punches back. How? By putting pressure on America's allies, right? They attacked Israel, they attacked Dubai, they attacked Qatar. The reason why they did that was the theory that, um, these places give a lot of money to the United States. They invest a lot in the US economy. So therefore they have a lot of leverage over the United States. If they're being attacked, they would pressure Trump to end the war.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Okay, and so once Iran did that, then that forces the United States to basically have a ceasefire. Because if the war continues, then what would happen is the entire world would lose at least 20% of the global oil supply. And this could possibly create economic collapse.

• 24:44Speaker 00

  So, so you're saying America had to take a break then and rethink about what's going on?

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, because the first strategy didn't work.

• 24:50Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  And the United States didn't have a second strategy.

• 24:52Speaker 00

  And the Strait of Hormuz is closed at this point? They closed it?

• 24:55Speaker 01

  The Strait of Hormuz is.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  I know, at this point in the, in the ladder.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so throughout this entire process, uh, there's been a lot on, on, on and off. So sometimes it's open, sometimes it's closed, okay? So now what, what the American response is now to put more pressure on Iran by trying to strangle the economy, okay? So how the United States does that is Iran ships 90% of its oil to China, right? So what America did was impose a naval blockade, um, in the Arabian Sea to prevent Chinese tankers from reaching Iran and prevent Iranian tankers from, uh, reaching China.

• 25:41Speaker 00

  So they wanted to stop the flow of oil from Iran to China.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  And that's how China gets most of its oil.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Uh, well, well, no, that's, China gets, uh, its oil from a diverse, um, uh, from, from many different countries. But Iran will export 90% of its oil to China. And the theory is that if you stop that trade, then Iran cannot pay its soldiers. Then the soldiers would rebel. And the government would collapse, okay?

• 26:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  So that's the second step. Okay, I, I tried the decapitation strike, didn't work, so now I'll try to strangle your economy.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  And that doesn't work either, right? And so what happens now is that.

• 26:15Speaker 00

  Why didn't that work?

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Because, um, the Iranians have been under sanctions for the past, uh, 30 years. So they are used to being poor.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Right? Right, so in Los Angeles, if, um, you know, we made gas $10 a day, well, there'll be riots. But in Iran, you know, if you take, take away half their calories, well, they're used to being poor, so they're.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  They're used to the sanctions, they're used to living with a, with a government that's like manipulating them and taking advantage of them.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. So therefore, the Iranians are much more able to bear pain than the American, right? And, and so the American, American government now under Trump is under a lot more pressure and this war than the Iranians.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  Understood.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Okay, so that's the second step, and that doesn't work either. So now you move to a third step, which is you destroy the state's capacity to deliver basic services, which means water, food, and electricity. So when Trump says, "I will destroy the civilization," what he's really saying is, "I will destroy their power plants." Right? Because energy is a source of civilization, right? So the next step that we can expect, which has not happened yet, uh, but there are signs that it will happen, is the United States will target its missiles at Iranian power plants and deny electricity to the local population. And the theory is that if you do that, the people will not be able to bear the pain and they will.

• 27:46Speaker 00

  Revolt.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Revolt, exactly.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  So that's, man. Phew, that's a lot going on. And you believe that that's where we could be headed there?

• 27:55Speaker 01

  We are very much heading in that direction, okay? So now what the Iranians do in response is they activate their proxies, okay? Why? Because the proxies are now able to exert a lot more pain on the global economy, right? So the Iranians are able to close off the Strait of Hormuz.

• 28:13Speaker 00

  And their proxies, who are they, say who their proxies are?

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, and then you have the militias, the Shia militias in Iraq.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Right? So the, the, the logic of this is by closing off, um, the Strait of Hormuz, Iran is denying the world, the world 20% of the global supply of oil. But now the Houthis are able to close off the, uh, back Al-Mannad Strait, then that's another 7%. So that's putting more pressure on, um, the global economy. And now if Lebanon is able to close off the, uh, Suez Canal or put pressure on, on trade over here, that's even more pressure, right?

• 28:56Speaker 00

  Hmm. That's a lot.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, but, but as we can see, this escalation ladder is coming up really fast.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Right? And the real fear is that, um, the Americans will be under so much pressure that they use tactical, tactical nuclear weapons against Iran. And then we could be looking at nuclear war and civilizational collapse.

• 29:21Speaker 00

  And that's World War III for sure.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Uh, no, it's the end of civilization for sure.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  Professor Zhang, what are we gonna do?

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Um, do we believe in God?

• 29:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  We're good then.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  All right, I'll see you on the other side.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  That's right, yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 00

  See you in the big H.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  Dude, I heard that if you go to heaven, this is something I heard that's kind of cool, just to take a break from the war stuff for a second. If you go to heaven, and thank you for explaining this and thank you for discussing the escalation ladder with us.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  Um, if you go to heaven, that, when you get there, your friends are there.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  Right? All your friends that you knew from here and your family, but they all like work in different places. So you might go to like a Jersey Mike's in heaven and your brother or your ex-girlfriend could be working there. And once you lock eyes with each other, you have memories of like things that you knew from this period here.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  But, but it's brand new there. So it's like, you get to go everywhere and find your old friends and stuff. So it'd be pretty cool. Like, you could be somewhere and like Frederick Douglass or whatever could be a park ranger or Xi Jinping or something could be, he could be working at an ice cream stand, you know?

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  So it could be kind of cool anyway.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's pretty cool.

• 30:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 00

  So just letting you in on a little bit of, uh, BTS heaven lore.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Great.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Um, it would, it would be impractical for America to end up in a nuclear war though.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think it will happen.

• 30:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  So you don't think that will happen?

• 30:46Speaker 01

  I don't think it will happen, no.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  What stops that escalation ladder from going, uh, forward?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, so again, we want to use game theory and step back and ask ourselves why this war is happening.

• 30:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Okay? Because once you figure out what the motivations of the players are, then you can figure out how far this goes. Right? Because the players are trying to win and they're, they're gonna try to win in a way that. That it's the least harmful or the easiest way to win, if that makes sense.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it does, because it's kind of like poker. So say if I got an okay hand.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  I might bluff a little in the beginning or go in on a few blinds or something. But I'm not gonna probably raise it to the end of the line because I know what I have.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:27Speaker 00

  I'm gonna wait for another hand.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Right. So, so let's look at game theory and ask ourselves, who are the major players in this game and what do they want?

• 31:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  So you have the United States, of course, you have Iran, you have Israel, and I would say the fourth major country is Saudi Arabia.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Okay, and why are we even in this conflict?

• 31:45Speaker 01

  That's right. And so we're trying to figure this out.

• 31:47Speaker 00

  Because that's been a big question in America, especially amongst a lot of my peers. Why are we there? Why are we putting our troops there? It doesn't seem like we have a real interest. I know there's the rumors of weapons of mass destruction again.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:00Speaker 00

  There's rumors of nuclear weapons held by Iran, but, but I think people, a lot of people feel like we've fallen for that trap before.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:11Speaker 00

  Uh, in Iraq.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  Um, and in Kuwait.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  And that, that it could just be the same sort of fool's errand again.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. So it's a great question, like, why did America attack Iran after the failures of Afghanistan and Iraq?

• 32:30Speaker 00

  Well, and also Trump, our president, said that we would not go to war with Iran.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. So.

• 32:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, what do you think's happening?

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I want to refer you to, you to something called a clean break memo, okay?

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Clean break memo?

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Yes, it's really important we understand this, if we don't understand what's going on, the clean break memo. Maybe your producer can bring it up, the clean break memo written in 1996, okay?

• 32:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  And, and so let me give you some background. So, um, Bill Clinton is in office, and Bill Clinton is obsessed with peace in the Middle East.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  And this. Because it rhymes, probably.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  It probably, yeah, yeah. And Israelis have decided that now is a good time for a two-state solution. And the reason why is that throughout its history, Israel was always in conflict with the other Arab nations around it because of the Palestinian issue.

• 33:22Speaker 00

  Right.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  And the idea is that if Israel is to have security, it needs to resolve the Palestinian issue. It needs to give the Palestinians its own state. And then, and then once that happens, then the Arab nations can, uh, uh, re- resume diplomatic relations with Israel. They can trade peacefully, and then Middle East will be prosperous and peaceful. Right? But you first have to resolve the Palestinian issue.

• 33:47Speaker 00

  Because a lot of the Palestinians were Muslim, right?

• 33:49Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  And a lot of the surrounding areas.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Are also Muslim.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Around Israel are also Muslim.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  That's right. So they're sympathetic towards the.

• 33:56Speaker 00

  They're kind.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Muslims, right? So for example, Saudi Arabia, the royal family said that as long as the Palestinian issue is not resolved, we will never ever have peace with Israel. Okay, so this is what we call the Oslo Peace Process.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Oslo Accords, right?

• 34:11Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. And, um, and the majority of the Israeli population was in favor of this. And the major leader who are spearheading this movement in Israel is Isaac Rabin.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  What's the name?

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Uh, Isaac Rabin. I'll, I'll spell it for you, okay?

• 34:30Speaker 00

  Isaac, Isaac?

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Isaac Rabin.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Rabin. Isaac Rabin. Yitzhak Rabin.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Yes, okay.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Isaac Rabin.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  And he was determined to, um, have eternal peace with the Palestinians, to resolve this issue once and for all by giving them a state. Okay?

• 34:48Speaker 00

  So he and Clinton were aligned with figuring this out.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. And they also had Arafat to help them out a- as well. And the, and the Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, were very supportive of all of this process. But there was one person who was opposed to the peace process. His name is Benjamin Netanyahu. And he assembled a team of people, mainly Americans, who developed a new policy for him called the Clean Break Memo.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  And what the Clean Break Memo says, it's a very short document, it's only about one page. What it says is screw peace, because our neighbors are Arabs. And they only understand power. So you want peace, you don't negotiate, you don't compromise. You hit them hard, you keep on hitting them hard until they respect you. Okay? So there are three major pillars to the strategy called the Clean Break. The first is go after Palestinians hard. Don't give them land, don't compromise them, teach them to respect you. Okay? Show power. Make them afraid of you.

• 36:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  That's number one. Number two is you have to rejuvenate the Israeli economy by adopting neoliberalism. Forget socialism, let's go with capitalism, because at this time socialism was very popular in Israel. And, um, the third thing is to establish

• 36:25Speaker 01

  balance of power in the Middle East.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  Balance of power in the Middle East.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  And the way you do that is you destroy regimes that could potentially threaten you. This includes Syria, and this includes Iraq. And so the strategy calls for working with Turkey and Jordan to destabilize Syria. And it calls for, for regime change in Iraq.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  It's called a Clean Break Memo.

• 36:52Speaker 00

  Okay, a clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm, commonly known as a clean break report, is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Pearl for Benjamin Netanyahu, then Prime Minister of Israel. The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on Western values, which that means, I guess, more like a capitalistic.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right.

• 37:14Speaker 00

  It has since been criticized for advocating a policy of removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  And the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of weapons of mass destruction. Certain parts of the policies set forth in the paper were rejected by Netanyahu. However, the report was ultimately adopted and serves as a foundation for modern day Israeli global affairs. Is that true?

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Well, well, well, yeah, the, the, so, so something really important for us to appreciate is the study group, there were two major participants in the study group, Richard Pearl and also Douglas Fave, okay?

• 37:51Speaker 00

  Okay, got it.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Right. And this is important because these two are Americans. And a few years later, they will work for the Pentagon. And, uh, Douglas Fave and Richard Pearl worked with Paul Wolfowitz. And these three will become the architects of the Iraq War.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  Paul Wolfowitz?

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:09Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're saying two of the people that came up with the Clean Break Memo.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  Then went on to work for the Pentagon?

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Yes, and they're the architects of the Iraq War.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  Okay, so they were architects of the Iraq War. Here we go, Douglas J. Faith, an American lawyer who served as Secretary of Defense for Policy. Faith has been described as an architect of the Iraq War. In the lead up to the war, he played a key role in promoting the false claim that the Saddam Hussein regime had an operational relationship with Al Qaeda. A Pentagon Inspector General report found that Faith's office had developed, produced, and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and Al Qaeda relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the intelligence community to senior decision makers, huh?

• 38:58Speaker 01

  The other thing about Douglas, uh, uh, Fave is, um, he has been suspected for a long time of being an Israeli asset.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  But despite that, he was still able to climb the hierarchy, which is very weird. Because the FBI and the CIA determined in 1970s that he could possibly be an Israeli asset.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  Wow, so that's interesting that he would be, that they thought that, and then he was still able to climb the ranks.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Very interesting.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, but not, not only him, but Richard Pearl was also suspected of being an Israeli asset.

• 39:31Speaker 00

  Richard Norman Pearl is an American political advisor who served as the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Global Strategic Affairs under Ronald Reagan. Pearl was an architect of the Iraq War.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  He claimed that Saddam Hussein regime possessed weapons of mass destruction. Okay.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  So, so we need to understand what the Clean Break Memo really is, okay? And what it really is, is a blueprint for the Greater Israel Project.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  And the Greater Israel Project is a belief among, um, certain Zionists that the entire Middle East belongs to Israel.

• 40:08Speaker 00

  And just to be clear, this isn't Jewish people, this is, we're talking about, um, the Israeli government and extremist views, right?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  That's right. It's not, it's not necessarily a Jewish person. Zionist is someone who believes in supremacy of Israel.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Okay, so a Zionist is someone who believes in supremacy of Israel? Look it up, Nick, because I hear the term, we might have talked about it before. I, we've probably talked about it before some, but I don't know if you've ever looked it up. Zionism is an ethno-cultural nationalist movement that emerged in late 19th century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland. What does ethno-cultural nationalist mean, Nick? Can you click on that?

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Um, it, it.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  Ethno-cultural, ethnic nationalism is a form of nationalism in which the nation and nationality are defined in terms of ethnicity.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, what, what does that mean? Ethno-cultural nationalism?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  What, what it really means is, um, there are certain people, Zionists, who believe that God promised this land to the Jews and only the Jews. And therefore, only the Jews should be in this land.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  And therefore, the Palestinians have no right to be there. Therefore, a two-state solution goes against the will of God.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  That's what it really means.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  Okay, wow. But what about people who just believe that Jew, that, that Jewish people deserve to have their own place as well? Is that Zionism?

• 41:33Speaker 01

  So there are different forms of Zionism.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  And what I'm referring to, an extreme form Zionism, that is taking hold over Israel.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Because remember, in the 1990s, everyone, the majority of people were supportive of a two-state solution. They want a peace with the Arabs.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  In 1990s, is that true? Let's bring that up.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  Let me see. In the 1990s, the Israeli public was deeply divided rather than in full agreement regarding a two-state solution, while the signing of the Oslo Accords in 93 generated strong initial hope and fluctuating majority support for the peace process at various points. Substantial portions of the population, including right-wing political factions and the settler movement, opposed partitioning the land. So there was some support for it. Okay. Okay, so you have this extreme, so you have an extreme group?

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, the settlers, basically.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  Okay, so the group you're talking about is an extreme group that wanted, that's supporting this clean break?

• 42:30Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  Right? That was, that wanted a greater Israel?

• 42:33Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  That's an extreme group?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  That's right. And it was led by Netanyahu, who became prime minister in 96, to implement the Greater Israel project. He's been in power for the past 20 years. And if you look at what's been happening in the Middle East, right? The Iraq War. And then after that, the invasion and regime change in Libya, in Syria, and now this attack against Iran. It is consistent with the Clean Break memo.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  And what is amazing is that this transcends politics. Both the Democrats and Republicans are participating in the implementation of the Clean Break memo.

• 43:11Speaker 00

  You mean, American Democrats and American Republicans are?

• 43:13Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right. So it was George W. Bush which launched the war against Iraq, but it was Obama who supported regime change in Syria and in Libya, which is also part of the Clean Break memo. What I want to do now is show you a video. This is important. We'll watch this video together, okay? And so the video is General Wesley Clark, and he's talking to Amy Goodman. This is after 9/11. And so 9/11 was a traumatic event for Americans, and the assumption was that the US military would seek vengeance against the Taliban and Al Qaeda by attacking Afghanistan.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  But what Wesley Clark says is, "No, no, no. We're not only going, we're not just going after Afghanistan, we're going after seven countries." And let's listen to what he says.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  So, and so this is a, but this, how do we know this isn't a, is this a theory or is this a fact? That's what I'm wondering.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Oh, it's all facts. The Clean Break memo is a fact. And Wesley Clark saying this to Amy Goodman, I mean, it's on YouTube.

• 44:22Speaker 00

  Okay, and this is US Army General Wesley Clark, right?

• 44:26Speaker 01

  That's right. And he's retired now. He's talking to Amy Goodman about what happens after 9/11.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  About 10 days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who had used to work for me. And one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you gotta come in, you gotta come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?"

• 45:02Speaker 02

  He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do."

• 45:09Speaker 02

  So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They've just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like, we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail." So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time, we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, and he said, "I just, he said, 'I just got this down from upstairs,'"

• 45:50Speaker 02

  meaning the Secretary of Defense's office today, and he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're gonna take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran."

• 46:06Speaker 02

  I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me."

• 46:13Speaker 00

  So you're saying that this is part of the Clean Break memo?

• 46:15Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right. Because how else can you explain what's going on? And again, this is, General Wesley Clark has access to confidential Pentagon information. And he's saying that right after 9/11, they've already decided to go to war against the entire Middle East, finishing with Iran.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  And did we end up doing those things right there?

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Yes, we did. Well, not me, not us.

• 46:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, not us.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I wasn't involved, right?

• 46:41Speaker 00

  I'm chill, yeah. I definitely, yeah. I mean, I have issues with my neighbor sometimes because of their dog or whatever, but...

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Wasn't me, man.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, but we've gone, but have we done those things that they said in that video? And that, have we attacked, have we gone to war with those places?

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  What was the places he listed?

• 47:00Speaker 01

  So Syria, right? That's done. Libya, Iraq.

• 47:11Speaker 00

  Wasn't Somalia one of them?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 00

  Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  So he ran some last on the list. It says it's final boss.

• 47:23Speaker 00

  Final boss.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. A final boss.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  Oh, that's the Mike Tyson right there.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:31Speaker 00

  So, and, but why, why do you feel like, so you feel like America's working at the behest of the Israeli government, of Netanyahu's choices?

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Well...

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Like, what do you think that relationship is there?

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Well, it seems...

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, because if this is true, then it would, then it would say that America's working at the behest of Netanyahu and some of these other people who this is what they want, right? Or is this what we want?

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, so again, there's a pattern here, right? So I, I'm not trying to make a judgment. All I'm trying to do is point out a pattern that's emerging, where 96, they write the Clean Break memo encouraging Netanyahu to choose a path of war and dominance in the Middle East, and to clean break away from the Oslo peace process, and that's exactly what he's been doing for the past 20 years.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Then these people, specifically Richard Pearl and Dennis Fife, they go work for the Pentagon, and they help implement a lot of the Clean Break memo policies by starting a war against Iraq for no particular reason. And then, for no particular reason, what happens? The Americans attack Libya, Syria, destabilize the regime, cause millions of refugees to flow into Europe, and now we have this war in Iran, and we don't even know why Trump attacked Iran. And you point this out, like, he never, he's been saying for a long time that he would not do so.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  So what's going on here, right? Like, if the United States was not doing this at the behest of Israel, then how can we explain what's going on?

• 49:07Speaker 00

  Right.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Right? Now, what I'll do now is use game theory to explain why Israel would want this.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Right? Because, so, this will be hard for Americans to understand, all right?

• 49:19Speaker 00

  For Americans to understand?

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Okay. But like, Wesley Clark says, "We need to remove seven nations in five years," and they're doing that, right? Iran is the final boss. And the idea is there are Zionists who want to achieve the Greater Israel project. And the idea of the Greater Israel project is that Israel will dominate the Middle East. And only if Israel does that will Jews have security in the Middle East.

• 49:47Speaker 00

  Okay. Now, weren't they, weren't they secure before? Like, I don't understand why they weren't secure.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Right. So they weren't secure because the Palestinians were in revolt against them. The Palestinians felt that they were being oppressed, that their land was stolen from them. And so they were engaging in terrorist activities against the Israelis, including bus bombings, including airplane hijackings.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  But why wouldn't Israel just figure that out instead of go this other big route? It seems like, you know what I'm saying? It seems like if it's me figuring out something with a neighbor as opposed to battling the whole town, it would seem like more at my behest, like a wiser choice to just figure out something with my neighbor.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Right, because you have a brother who's kind of crazy, and your brother believes that this house is not their house, it's our house, which is stolen by this other family, and so we have a right to go take it back from them.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  And there's nothing you can do about your crazy brother.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  Netanyahu's the crazy brother?

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Basically, yes.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  Okay, got it.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Right? And, and, and these are people we call the settlers, right?

• 50:52Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  These are people who go against Israeli national law and go and forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes, even though this is against Israeli national law.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, there was, I know there's a lot of cases of that. You can see them on YouTube, too, of people getting evicted from their homes for no reason, people taking people's land, a lot of heartbreaking stuff out there. Okay, so now you're showing me, what is this you're looking at here?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  So, so let's just take what we know and draw things to the logical conclusion.

• 51:21Speaker 00

  So this is game theory?

• 51:22Speaker 01

  This is game theory, okay? If you believe that this land was given to you by God, and it says so, it says so in the Bible, okay? And you believe that it is Israel's destiny to dominate the Middle East, your real enemy is not Iran, right? Who's your real enemy?

• 51:43Speaker 01

  The United States of America.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Oh, the United States.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Right. Because the United States provides security guarantees to many Arab nations. Saudi Arabia is protected by the United States.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  And Saudi Arabia is part of the Greater Israel Project. Egypt is protected by the United States. Israel, Egypt is also part of the Greater Israel Project, right? So what you need to do is remove both Iran and the United States from the equation. And the best way to do that is to have them go to war against each other.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Right? And then Israel is the last nation standing. And then, and then they, they achieve the Greater Israel Project. But that's, this is game theory, by the way.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  This game theory?

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  But how would you, like, how would America, I mean, our country's way over here. And I know that's like, I know that doesn't mean everything, that we have this geographical space. But how would we, like, how would we be defeated in it?

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Well, we would be, like, the United States would be defeated if this war becomes so unpopular at home that the people revolt. And that forces the American military to retreat back to American borders.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  Okay. So then we would lose that war, but we wouldn't lose our country, though.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Uh, no, wait, yeah, I mean, the United States wouldn't lose their country, but they would lose the empire. Yeah.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  Oh, so we would, we would completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. You're saying remove ourselves from all of our allies? And then Israel would have the ability to control them?

• 53:13Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 53:14Speaker 00

  But why doesn't Israel just go control them and not even involve us?

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Because Saudi Arabia

• 53:23Speaker 01

  and the other nations of the Middle East, they have a lot of money. And they invest trillions of dollars in the US economy in exchange for US protection.

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 53:36Speaker 00

  You know, one thing that has scared me, and I've heard people, a lot of people talk about it, was like, a lot of like the technology and stuff that they, that, that was used in Palestine, like during a lot of the genocide over there. It's like drones being used to kill people, being used to kill children. We had a doctor on who, who was talking about children getting shot just right down through their bodies, you know, like, in a way that was like, it, it seemed very logical that drones were the ones that were doing it. All the reporters being killed there so that nobody could transfer any real information out of the, out of the world over there. One of those things, especially with the technology, and then you start to see the surveillance stuff happening in America. It starts to make you think, well, what, why wouldn't that, why wouldn't it come here?

• 54:20Speaker 00

  Like, if, you know, like, that's certainly a fear that I hear a lot, is that, that we're going to become in this surveillance state? And then the same thing could happen to us over here if we're out of line with who, with, if Israel were to gain control of America? And then we're out of line with something that they see or some behavior or something? Or they want to move people here off of their land, you know? It's, it's, that, that's something that's very scary.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if you look at Gaza, I, I think Gaza is the pilot for surveillance state.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  You, you think it's pilot for what?

• 54:54Speaker 01

  For surveillance state.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, as a testing ground.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  That's a testing ground for, for surveillance state. Because like, the theory is that once Israel achieves the Greater Israel Project, it now needs to control this entire area. And there aren't that many Jews. So it needs surveillance technology in order to control the local population. What, what I think will happen, and this is going to shock a lot of people, is right now, Israel is very close with India. And India, the population is booming, and there's a lot of young people. And if you let, if you just let them stay in India, they're going to revolt against you because the comments aren't doing so well. But so what if Israel and India were to get together and says, hey, let's bring in millions of Indians to work now in the Middle East? Because war has to shore the population on the Middle East.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  And now you can use surveillance technology to control these Indians. And these, the Indian people are used to a caste system anyway. So the idea that the Jews are at the very top, right? And the Indians are a working class, like, they're like, doing the labor. And it's all being controlled by surveillance technology. Well, you would achieve the Greater Israel Project.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 56:05Speaker 00

  And do you think that's what's going on?

• 56:07Speaker 01

  I think that's the direction we're moving towards. Whether or not they will succeed, I can't really say, but I think that's the plan.

• 56:13Speaker 00

  But the people, surely the people of, of Israel don't want to see all that, like, like, they don't want to see so many people get killed and that sort of stuff happen. You think they want to?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  I think Israel may be heading towards a civil war between two places. You have Tel Aviv, which is the gayest city in the world. Very liberal, uh, very cosmopolitan.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  You mean gays, like people being gay?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, like, real gays.

• 56:37Speaker 00

  Like men that hug each other?

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and women can hug each other, too.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, okay, I know what you're talking, I know if you're using it like hypothetically.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Homosexuals, yes.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, homo, yeah, gays, yeah.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, just regular gays, yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:49Speaker 00

  I didn't know if we were talking about different, you know, a different branch of gays, or I didn't know what was going on.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, yeah.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, just gays.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And they have Jerusalem.

• 56:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Which is very conservative, very religious. So these are two competing visions of Israel. And unfortunately, the people in Jerusalem are the ones with the power. And they are extreme in their religious vision. Okay?

• 57:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just, well, I know they have an election coming up over there.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  That's right, they do, yes.

• 57:16Speaker 00

  And so that's, I, I just feel like, is that going to determine a lot? Cause I, like, I mean, I feel bad for a lot of my Jewish friends here who do not want to be associated, like, you know, it's heartbreaking to them, you know, my friend Michael's always talking to me, it's like, you know, to make sure to like, to let, like, just because Israel doesn't mean Jewish people. It doesn't mean like, it's the, it's the government.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  That's right. So I want to use religion to show you how extreme these people are.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Right, so, um, the Holocaust was a traumatic event. And six million Jews died. Let me ask you this question. Okay, um, why did Holocaust happen?

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• 58:24Speaker 00

  The Holocaust happened, I guess, because of ideology that was created by Hitler and his regime.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was Hitler's fault, right? Okay, so the extremist Jews are called Kabbalists, okay, the Kabbalah. And, um, they have an extreme vision of how the universe works. And the deep, dark secret that they have about the Holocaust is the Jews deserved it. Okay, so let me explain why. If you read the Bible, the Bible, uh, the Old Testament, basically, it's fundamentally about the relationship between God and the Hittite people, the Jews. And problems arise when the Jews turn away from God.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  So for example, when Moses was leading the people from exile in Egypt to the promised land, the people chose to worship an idol. And the first commandment is do not worship false idols. So God had to punish them by making them wander, wander the desert for 40 years. Okay? And this is a consistent theme throughout the Old Testament, where Jews suffer because they turn away from God. So the most, most traumatic event in the Bible is the destruction of the first temple. Where the Babylonians come in and they destroy the first temple. Now, if you read the Bible, the book is Jeremiah.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  What Jeremiah, the prophet, says is, the Babylonians are not the enemy of God. They are the tool of God to punish the Israelites for turning away from God.

• 1:00:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Right? So if you just extend the logic, then the logic is this. Why did Holocaust happen? Not because of Hitler, but because the Jews turned away from God.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  And so there's groups that believe that?

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  That's right. So, um, at this point in history, the year 1900, when Zionism comes into being. Most Jews think Zionism is retarded. I'm a Jewish person, living in Germany, living in the United States, living in England. I've assimilated into society. I'm a professor, I'm a doctor. I'm doing well for myself. I'm secular. I have lots of friends who are Christians.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  And what does secular mean?

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Secular means non-religious.

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Right? So it's like, why would I go to a desert called Palestine? It's not even called Israel, it's called Palestine. Where there was already people living there. And it's like, it's like literally a desert. Right? So only about 3% of the global Jewish population at this point in history, the years 1900, I support the idea of Zionism.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Right? So the Holocaust had to happen in order to force the Jews to hold their covenant with God. Because the Jews were created as God's chosen people. They're the light of nations. They are meant to show true faith in God and therefore be virtuous and be the moral guidance for the world.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  Okay, so they were chosen to be an example of God?

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  They're chosen to be the light of nations. They're chosen to be the best representatives of humanity.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  Um, so you're saying that some devout Jewish people are religious or extreme? This is an extreme group, believe that the Holocaust was supposed to happen because the people in the Bible had turned away from, had turned away from God?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:02Speaker 00

  Is that what you're saying?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  Yes or no, you're saying?

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Um, okay, so let me clarify what they believe the mission of the Jewish people is. Okay? The mission of the Jewish people is to return to Israel, create the Greater Israel Project, which is the promised land, and then build the third temple, which will be the house of God.

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Okay? So the purpose of history is to force a reunion between the Jewish people and God. And once that happens, then the world will end and we will be in paradise forever. So there must be three, there must, three things must happen for this world to end. Okay? The first thing that must happen is the Greater Israel Project has to be achieved. And therefore, we have these wars in the Middle East.

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  But why would that have to be achieved if that was something that was just developed 30 years ago?

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Because according to these people, the original covenant between the Jewish people and God is that God promised them the land stretching from the now in Egypt to Euphrates in Iraq.

• 1:03:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  As the covenant. Okay? And the Jewish people, once they receive this land, they must be loyal to God. So for God to return, first of all, his promise must be kept.

• 1:03:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Okay, so the first thing is, the Greater Israel Project must be achieved. Second thing that must happen is, all Jewish people must return to Israel and repent. Meaning, if you don't believe in God, you have to believe in God, if you're Jewish. Meaning if you're homosexual, if you're Jewish.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Better tighten it up.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  You better, you better like learn how to like, you know?

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  You better figure it out.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, you, you know.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  Dang.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 00

  That's gonna be a long day.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Start liking this, man. So that's the third, second thing. And the third thing is, the third temple must be built. Because that's where God will live.

• 1:04:07Speaker 00

  Okay, got it.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  But the problem is, the site of the third temple is now where the Alixik Mosque is. The Alixik Mosque is the third holiest site in the Muslim world. So if they destroy the Alixik Mosque in order to build a third temple, this would trigger a religious war between Jews and the Muslims.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. So these are three things that must happen according to the eschatology.

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  Okay. So, but you're not saying that's gonna happen? You're saying that, that if you look at that, that's according to what? Is that according to?

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  That's according to their eschatology, which is what they believe, how the world ends and how we achieve heaven on earth.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  But who believes that? Like, my Jewish friends, I don't think believe that.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right.

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, what's right? They do believe it or they don't believe?

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  They don't believe this.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  This theory, okay, what I just told you, the vast majority of Jewish people who are religious think this is heresy.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  This is madness. It's insane. Okay? The problem is that this ideology is promoted by secret societies around the world.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  And secret societies control the world. And that's why we're seeing a lot of things happen. Because how else can you explain why the United States is attacking Iran for no particular reason?

• 1:05:24Speaker 00

  Hmm. I mean, it's definitely, look, I think a lot of people believe it. It's at the behest of Israel, there's some involvement there. But I think, uh, yeah, but after that, it's like, yeah, you kind of don't know why. A lot of it's just like questions. And you don't get a lot of information sometimes. Like, you know, you'll ask political figures and stuff, why are we so embedded here? And a lot of them don't have an answer. Um, and so I think that's the part that seems kind of alarming. And I think that's also the part, when you don't get a lot of clear information, that's when a lot of like conspiracy theories, different ideas, uncertainties, ideas like this even start to take even more shape. Because you don't know.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  You're not, and you're not getting information from people who should know. So I think it's like, I do understand how people can start to, uh, I, I, yeah, it makes perfect sense how people can start to believe things and how people can start to look into things. Because there's no place to get real news anymore. There's no place to get the information.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you know, a lot of things that are happening right now just defy human logic. So, um, everyone's looking at Donald Trump, it's like, the war is lost already. Just make peace with Iran. Just get out of there. And what Trump is doing is doing, he's doing tackle. Like, one day he's like, we're gonna end your civilization. And the other day is like, let's make peace, guys, let's just be friends. And the next day he's like, no, I'm gonna nuke you now. And the next day he's like, oh, you know what? Uh, I didn't really mean that. It's just weird.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. It feels bizarre. It feels pointless, but it matches with, everything feels bizarre right now.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  And, and, and like, the way that Trump is behaving right now goes against his character. Because in the eighties and nineties, he was a real estate developer, he was a business person, right? He understood, like, if you do business, you need to have credibility. You can't flip-flop, because like, everyone will be scared of you.

• 1:07:18Speaker 00

  I agree, that's actually a really good point. I mean, even when he was running for office, it seemed like, every other thing, it seemed like he knows exactly what he's talking about. It seems like he knows exactly where he stands.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  So it's just really weird situation where, um, how the United States is behaving in the Middle East, it goes against American interests. And the way that Donald Trump is behaving, it goes against his character. He's never behaved like this before.

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  Hmm. Um, you, you, you spoke, you mentioned a little bit ago about secret societies.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  Um, can you take me into some of that? And how, and you said that you believe that that's some of what is controlling some of this?

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Secret societies rule the world. Okay, so let me explain.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  You believe that secret societies rule the world?

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  Yes, okay. So let me explain why that's the case.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  All right. So the power in the world is what we call transnational capital. Right? And transnational capital, all it means is money that is able to move freely around the world and invest where it wants and extract profit from these places. And so transnational capital would include pension funds. It would include sovereign wealth funds. It would include private capital such as like State Street, Vanguard, Wall Street, City of London.

• 1:08:29Speaker 00

  China has a huge sovereign wealth fund, doesn't it?

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. So, so transnational capital is a huge entity. And, you know, they say money makes the world go around. Okay? So transnational controls the, um, uh, world. And.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  So money controls the world, you're saying?

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Basically.

• 1:08:47Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Okay, so, um, but, but the problem is that, um, transnational capital is a game. And.

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  It's a gain?

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  It's a game.

• 1:08:59Speaker 00

  Gain.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Right? Because you're trying to maximize your profit. You're trying to beat others in the stock market. And.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  In any game, there's a certain way to win. Right? And the answer, and so like, how do you win every single game? Like, no matter what game you play, what's the secret to winning every game?

• 1:09:16Speaker 00

  Get to the end.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Uh, the answer is you cheat. Okay, you play by the rules, you work hard, and you play fear, you're a sucker, okay? To win the game, you have to cheat. And the best way to cheat is to secretly conspire with others to rig the game in your favor. Okay, and that's why we have secret societies. Right? Because to win the game of capital, you need three things. First of all, you need access to secret information. You need to know more things than other people know. Second thing you need is infiltration. You need your people to go in the government in order to create policies that favor you. The third thing is you need coronation, conspiracy between these different groups in order to, uh, create an outcome that you want.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Alright, so, um, an example, um, is the Rothschild family. And the Rothschild family became one of the most powerful banking firms in the world because they had a secret, uh, network of agents scattered throughout Europe. So, in eighteen fifteen, Napoleon fights the Battle of Waterloo. And, um, obviously, he loses. And the Rothschild has an agent who witnessed the battle. Then he sends this information to, back to England on a Corvette, which is a fast ship. Then what happens is rumors spread that the English lost the war. And now there's tremendous fear.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  But that wasn't true.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  It was not true, that they, they won, but, but the first rumor-

• 1:10:46Speaker 00

  The agent got there and spread a rumor.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Well, well, we don't know, okay, but, but, but, but there are rumors that they lost the war, which created a panic, and the Rothschild were able to make a lot of money doing that, okay? And that's, and like, this is very common. And, and so this shows you an example of how information is crucial if you want to win the game of transnational capital.

• 1:11:04Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Right? And-

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  So, but, but, so the Corvette got there, the fast ship got there, and, and knew in advance-

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  The Rothschilds knew in advance.

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  The Rothschilds knew in advance.

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  That the battle had been won. And three days later, official news came to the British public. Tell them, tell them that the battle had been won. But during these three days, there's mass panic because rumors are spreading that the battle has been lost.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  I see, so the Rothschilds was able to capitalize on that panic financially.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  And so that's when people started realizing, oh, we can do this.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Right, right. And so think about the world that we live in today, right? Where if you're, if you have like, one minute of, um, confidential information, you're able to make millions, billions. Right? So, the question then is like, how do you access this information? Well, you do so through transnational networks. And throughout history, there've been three major transnational networks in Europe. The first is, uh, the Freemasons. The second are the Jesuits. And the third are the Jewish diaspora. And at some point, they figured out, why don't we just work together?

• 1:12:12Speaker 00

  And what they call themselves?

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  The Illuminati.

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:16Speaker 00

  I heard about it. Dude, my black friends are always talking about them, man.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the Illuminati.

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  Damn, they got us. The Illuminati, and it is a name given to several groups, both real and fictitious. Historically, the name usually refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May first, seventeen seventy-six in the electorate of Bavaria. The Illuminati, along with Freemasonry and other secret societies, were outlawed through edict by Charles Theodore. And the subsequent use, Illuminati has been used when referring to various organizations alleged to be a continuation of the original Illuminati. These organizations have often been accused of conspiring to control world affairs by masterminding events and planting agents in governments and corporations in order to gain political power, influence, and establish a new world order.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Dun, dun, dun.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  I mean, at, at the end of the day, if you, if, if transnational capital controls the world, you need to decide to win the game.

• 1:13:13Speaker 00

  Got it. So there's, so, so, so in addition to there being countries, there's these different countries.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  They're above countries.

• 1:13:19Speaker 00

  But they're above countries.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Wow, and so they'll have members of different countries that are in partner, that are part of them.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  So think of Jeffrey Epstein, right? So everyone's thought that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent. He was above Mossad.

• 1:13:30Speaker 00

  Dang.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 00

  Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein's still alive?

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Um, I don't think he's alive. Yeah, because-

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  Do you think he died in the jail cell?

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Uh, I, yes, yes, yes, because he, he's expendable.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  What is the basic code, do you think, of the Illuminati? Do you think they have a code?

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Um, that's a great question, okay? So, when you have these secret societies, you, you, we have to remember, like, secret societies are just a natural outcome of the game of transnational capital. So you have like, many, many different secret societies in, in place. And so which societies have the most, have the greatest advantage? And the answer is, uh, those who practice eschatology have the greatest advantage.

• 1:14:13Speaker 00

  Eschatology?

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Right, eschatology is the belief, uh, in that God will end the world at some point. Okay? And, so why are you, so why is it that eschatological secret societies are superior to other secret societies? And the reason why is they're able to channel the religious energy of millions of people. So, look at, so why we're having this war in the, um, Middle East? It's not just secret societies, it's also the fact that you have tens of millions of Christian, um, Zionists, Christian evangelicals who support Israel. Right?

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  So, if you're, you're an investor, there are three ways to make the most money. The first is war. Second is revolution. And the third is religion. So, these secret societies, through the eschatology, are always supporting war, revolution, and religion. Because if you're, if you're a millionaire, well, you invest your money in the stock market. But if you're a trillionaire, you invest your money in war, revolution, and religion.

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  Wow. But don't you, do you, do you, do you think that it's sometimes it's kind of a da, like, is it like, if you, if you think of it all like that, right? Doesn't it feel pretty dark?

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  It is, uh, dark. But once you actually study the eschatology, once you study the religion, it actually gives you hope. Um, because what motivates, uh, these people is not greed. Um, it's not, um, power, it's faith. It's, they're accelerationists. They believe that God has a divine plan. And all I'm doing is helping God accelerate this plan.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  Wow. Oh my gosh, dude, what the heck? So this is, so that's part of some people's faith, they believe, they have a strong enough faith that they believe that what they're doing is helping to accelerate it.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  Oh my gosh, I don't even know what to think anymore.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  And that's why things are happening so fast.

• 1:16:24Speaker 00

  Dude, it does, uh, it does, it, yeah. It feels like things are happening so fast.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:29Speaker 00

  That's, it's just like, what is, it's happening so fast.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Speaker 00

  So how does this end?

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  I mean, that's kind of dark, but, um-

• 1:16:40Speaker 00

  Maybe we just leave it to be continued, you think?

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, well-

• 1:16:43Speaker 00

  But we can pray that that isn't happening, because we don't know that that's, we don't know that's going to happen, right?

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  They've put their faith in God, we should put our faith in God.

• 1:16:50Speaker 00

  Amen. Yeah, that's where my faith is.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:16:54Speaker 00

  In Jesus' name, man, amen, brother. We just have to keep our faith where we can, and we can, we can control what we can control. And it's always, if, if that's the case, and it's always been part of something.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:17:04Speaker 00

  You know, and it's like, all we can do is do, or just do what we can and try our best by our own compass, right?

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:17:10Speaker 00

  Amen. Amen.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jesus, believe in Jesus.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, amen. Um, you are, you're Chinese?

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  I, yes, thank you, yes.

• 1:17:20Speaker 00

  Okay, sorry, I didn't, just making sure, I didn't know.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  I don't know for sure if you are or not. Um, what, what's, some people, has anybody ever said they thought you were a plant? That you, they thought you-

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so now and then-

• 1:17:33Speaker 00

  Because you'd be a good Chinese asset.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well, there are people who believe I'm the Antichrist. There are people who believe that I'm in my Chinese classroom with my whiteboard, and my, my, my whiteboard is magical, so I can actually, like, direct the course of human events with my, with my whiteboard. I'm just there, and I'm just like, I want war, and I want, you know, and I'm like, I, like, I'm not the Antichrist. Alright, I swear to you, I'm not the Antichrist. I'm not a Chinese spy, but I'm not the, but I'm not the Antichrist.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Speaking of that, speaking of China, what is China's relationship right now? Where do they play a role? Because you didn't factor them into this at all.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. China, China looks at what's happening, and they're like, what the fuck is going on? What the hell are you guys doing? That's China.

• 1:18:19Speaker 00

  Do you think that they're hyper worried? Do they have a lot of like, um, do they have a lot of intelligence assets that are over here working in the, that are working in the Middle East? What do you think's going on? I'm sure, cause they obviously, they're a world power. They're gonna have, they're, they're gonna be concerned and involved.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the problem with China is that Chinese are non-religious. So it's almost impossible for Chinese to appreciate what's happening in the Middle East.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  But they're capitalists though.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Uh, they're capitalists and they want this war to end as soon as possible because they want people to trade with each other.

• 1:18:54Speaker 01

  Chinese don't go to war. They, they trade.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  And so everyone in China is just completely confused.

• 1:19:01Speaker 00

  But historically, China, they've been, they've, there's been war in China?

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Well, there's war, uh, within China, but China doesn't really go out and invade other countries. The way that, you know, the United States does.

• 1:19:15Speaker 00

  So what is America's current relationship with China? Do you feel like, I've, I've had friends recently say that they think the safest place to move in the world right now is China?

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. Yeah, I think, I think that what's happening is a domino effect where the war in the Middle East spirals out of control and it engulfs everyone. So, um.

• 1:19:37Speaker 00

  Like a World War III?

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's like total war.

• 1:19:40Speaker 00

  And what would the sides be?

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  It would be complete chaos. So the idea is that the war, the world will break out into, into regional wars. So imagine in, uh, Europe, NATO is fighting Russia in Ukraine, right? And, uh, there's a possibility that Russia may take over the Baltic countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and maybe even attack Poland. Okay, so imagine all of Europe is now in flames. You move over to the Middle East and everyone's at each other's throat, right?

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  You move over to East Asia, what the most likely scenario is that China is in conflict with Japan and North Korea is in conflict with South Korea. The real danger in East Asia is not China, it's actually North Korea. Because North Koreans have absolutely nothing to lose, they're kinda crazy, and they're brave. So North Koreans have been sending soldiers to fight in Ukraine and they fight to the death.

• 1:20:54Speaker 00

  Is that true?

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, 10,000 North Korean troops.

• 1:20:56Speaker 00

  There's 10,000 North Korean troops in Ukraine right now?

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, in Ukraine, that's right. And they fight to the death. And the reason why is they're captured, their family members back in North Korea.

• 1:21:05Speaker 00

  Get killed?

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:07Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Welcome to a dictatorship.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  North Korea continues to expand its military support for Russia in the war against Ukraine. In addition, it's sending troops and weaponry. Pyongyang is now said to have deployed a missile unit to Western Russia. Wow. By the end of 2024, Ukraine, the United States and South Korea estimated that around 10,000 to 12,000 North Korean soldiers have been sent to Russia. And that's just 2024.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  That's right. So they're trying to recent them to 30,000.

• 1:21:33Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Speaker 00

  Unbelievable. I've heard you talk about the grand bargain.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:40Speaker 00

  With China, and that's between America and China?

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  Tell me a little more about that.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Right, so there are two nations that currently benefit the most from the current global economic order. They are the United States and China. The United States, obviously, because it controls the US dollar, but, but China as well, because China was able to lift millions out of poverty because of global trade, right? So both are heavily invested in maintaining the current global order. And so the idea of a grand bargain is that they, uh, resolve the Taiwan issue. Where basically China, um, and Taiwan sign an agreement where they reconcile politically

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  and the United States withdraws from, uh, East Asia and allows China to maybe dominate, um, East Asia.

• 1:22:32Speaker 00

  Okay, understood. So that, so that's something that China would want, probably just a little bit more assurance that there's, that they don't have to deal with America over there.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  That's right, but, but also like for China, Taiwan is a huge political issue because, uh, you know, there's something called a century of humiliation where China was carved up in the 19th century by the Western powers. And having Taiwan back, uh, in the fold of the motherland would be a tremendous political achievement because it would mean the reunification of the motherland, the completion of the motherland. And that's, that's something that China would pay a huge price for. And right now, uh, the United States needs China to buy more US treasuries. So that's the idea of the grand bargain.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  Got it. What do you think's going on with America right now? Do you feel like we're still, uh, the world's economic superpower?

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Um, it's an empire in decline. It's like, I'm just walking the streets of Los Angeles and, um, it really seems that America is on the brink of a civil war and.

• 1:23:39Speaker 00

  Really? You think that?

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  How would that happen though?

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I think that, um, the midterms will be a major test of the cohesion of this country.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  And what I think, um, may happen is Trump may, may go for a third term.

• 1:24:00Speaker 00

  No way. How could he do it? Can't you only go for two terms?

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  So according to the constitution, there's something called the 22nd amendment, which says that, um, a US president may not sit for more than two terms. But there's a loophole. The loophole is imagine 2028. Don Jr. is at the top of the ticket and Donald Trump is the vice president. They win and then, uh, Don Jr., he resigns and then Donald Trump is now the president again.

• 1:24:33Speaker 00

  No way. You think that, you think that's gonna happen?

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  I think there's a strong possibility this could happen. But also there's the War Powers Act where America's at war and so they just turn the constitution, which is what happened in Ukraine.

• 1:24:45Speaker 00

  That's why Ukraine could not have an election?

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Right, because they're at war.

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  And if they could have an election, would they still elect Zelensky, do you think?

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  Probably not.

• 1:24:52Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:56Speaker 00

  There's a lot of, there's a lot of darkness out there.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:00Speaker 00

  What are some positives that you see? What are things, what's a positive way that you see out of some of this? And please have an answer for me, Professor.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, family, love, God. I mean, that's why we're here. We're here to experience things that we couldn't experience anywhere else because we're eternal souls. Like, once you appreciate that, um, this is only, what, the thing that we're experiencing here is only a journey and a eternity of experiences. And that we're here to experience things that are unique to this world. And one thing that's unique to this world is family, like having children.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:25:37Speaker 00

  And love.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  And love, exactly.

• 1:25:39Speaker 00

  Hugging somebody.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:25:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, doing your best.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  Being supportive, sharing.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  So, so if you just focus on what's happening geopolitically, you'll go insane, you'll literally go insane.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  Are you insane yet?

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Um, I have a family, right? So I, I have a, I have a wife who, um, who, who loves me. So I, I, I, I wanna tell you, um, the story of how my wife and I met and then, and you can appreciate how much we love each other.

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Okay, so we met each other about 10 years ago and I'm about 40 and this is like the darkest moment in my life.

• 1:26:13Speaker 00

  What was going on?

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  Well, I was unemployed, um, I had no place to stay and I was depressed and I felt that life was hopeless. And I, I literally believed that my wife was an angel sent by God to redeem me, to save me, to show me that love is possible. So that one day I could be sitting across from you telling the world that love is, um, possible and if we just move towards love, then we will redeem the world. But, but so I met this, my, my wife randomly and we go on a first date and.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  Where'd you meet her at?

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Um, I, I met her randomly at, at an event. And it was like love at first sight. And I, and I, you know, I asked for her number, I called her out and, and if you ask for it, God will give it to you. And I was asking for someone, uh, who could be my wife. I, I wanted to start a family. And so we go on, on this date and I, I took her someplace really nice in Beijing. We go to a Japanese restaurant, I order sake and it's a lovely, um, date. Now, the custom in China is that on the first date, if you really like someone, um, the woman will, will get serious suddenly, okay? I mean, you could be laughing for a while, but suddenly the, like, the woman will get

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  really serious, look at you dead in the eye and ask you.

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  How much money do you make? Like, what's the size of your bank account?

• 1:27:41Speaker 00

  Really? That's a serious, that's a real thing that happens there?

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, because in the United States, you like, like, you know, they'll ask you what your dick size is, right?

• 1:27:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, something.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Well, we're more advanced civilizations, so we ask like how much money you have.

• 1:27:52Speaker 00

  Got it, got it.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, okay. So, okay, and like, I'm really af- afraid we reached this point, right? So, this date is going fantastic. We worked two hours and we're just laughing, we're connecting, we're simpatico. And then, the, um, my date, my, my future wife, gets serious, looks at me dead in the eye. And I'm freaking out. I'm trembling. I'm nervous because like-

• 1:28:17Speaker 00

  Because you don't have a job.

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  I don't have a fucking job, man!

• 1:28:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  And so she looks at me in the eye, and she asks me, "So, are you gay?"

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  And I, and I, I felt such relief, and I knew, she's the one, man. She gets me.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She doesn't care if I'm poor, she just cares if I'm gay.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Yes, I can work with that, you know?

• 1:28:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, dude, of course.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but, but it's like these moments that make this world so wonderful and so blessed. So we should just focus on, on, on moments like, like, like this.

• 1:28:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, moments where people are asking if you're gay or not.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, it's better than asking for, you know, your dick size, or, you know, your bank account, you know?

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, for sure. I think, yeah, it is better than asking how much money you make.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:05Speaker 00

  I'm so happy that you've, that you found, that you got somebody.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Speaker 00

  Because you were forty and you didn't think you were gonna have someone.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  That's right. I, I, I thought that I was, on my life, I, I was adrift, I thought that life was pointless.

• 1:29:16Speaker 00

  What were you doing? Were you living at home?

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  No, I was like literally living, uh, from, uh, place to place with my suitcase. I had no place to live. Uh, I was unemployed.

• 1:29:27Speaker 00

  Don't they give you a job in China? Like, tell me a little bit more, what is it like in China?

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, so I went to China to work as an education reformer. So I, I believe like the best way to build a good future-

• 1:29:40Speaker 00

  But you were, you grew up there?

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  No, no. So, so my background is, um, I was born in China, but when I was six, I moved over to Canada. And, and that's where I grew up. Then I went to Yale University.

• 1:29:51Speaker 00

  Dang, cool.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And then, um, I went back to China to help reform the school system.

• 1:29:57Speaker 00

  I love Canada, man. Well, did you live in Winnipeg?

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  No, I lived in Toronto.

• 1:30:00Speaker 00

  Oh dang. Yeah, I'm hoping my friend Diego Pavia goes up there and plays for Canada.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like, you know, Canada's really cool, but you know, we're, we're a bit slow. We have five years of high school rather than four.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  You know, so, so your IQ is a bit lower than, than, than the Americans.

• 1:30:14Speaker 00

  But you guys have great posture up there. Can't, Canada has some of the best posture in the whole world, I've noticed. Um, that's something that I've noticed. Um, okay, so you end up back over there in China. Um, but yeah, i- is it like, do you hear a lot of stories that like people can only have one child? Like, what are some of the policies that are true over there that we hear about?

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Well, you know, the one child policy was, uh, true for a long time, but then, um, Chinese were aging. And there were not enough children to support the elderly, so they, uh, and then the birth rate was declining. And so they promoted policies, um, to encourage more fertility. And now you can have as many children a- as you want.

• 1:30:51Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  But, but, but, I mean, the reality is like, most young people do not want to have children. I- it's a situation, I mean, it's a similar situation throughout the world. Like, in the United States, young Americans don't have children, Europeans are the same, same way. Right now, the fertility rate in East Asia, uh, in North, in South Korea, I think it's zero point six. Uh, in China, it's one point zero, in Japan, it's like one point two, one point three, but it's really low.

• 1:31:19Speaker 00

  World Population Prospects, United Nations publisher. What chart is this, Nick? Can you tell me?

• 1:31:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, uh, I think this is world fertility rate.

• 1:31:27Speaker 00

  In nineteen sixty-three, it was five point three births per woman, and now it's two point two births per woman. Huh.

• 1:31:36Speaker 00

  That's wild. And China has one point oh, one birth per woman.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:44Speaker 00

  And wait, who has that big, go to the top and hit the tops. Chad, uh, Congo, they have six births per woman, Niger, uh, Mozambique, five births per woman.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  So, my wife has seven college roommates. There's eight in her dorm.

• 1:32:01Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  And, uh, we have three kids.

• 1:32:03Speaker 00

  Oh, you guys have three kids?

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  We have three kids.

• 1:32:05Speaker 00

  And I met you once on Christopher, he's here today.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right.

• 1:32:07Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  And, um, so, she, uh, they're, they're in their thirties, which is a prime age to have, um, children. And collectively, they have three kids.

• 1:32:18Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:19Speaker 00

  So it's, so it's not happening?

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  No, it's not happening, yeah.

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  Um, we've looked at some stuff today that's, that seems kind of dour, but it's also interesting, you know? Um, do you think that peace is an option? And how would we get there? Do you feel like, like, what has to adjust?

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  I think that for the longest time, we've trusted our leaders to, um-

• 1:32:41Speaker 00

  I agree with you.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  And-

• 1:32:43Speaker 00

  We thought they had our best interests.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right. And in fact, it's controlled by secret societies, and they're crazy people who want to achieve their eschatology. And it's time for us to wake up. And if we collectively wake up, then we will achieve peace in this world. But waking up is a hard process.

• 1:33:01Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  As you know, right, it's a very hard process. It means going against social conventions. It means defying all that you've been taught. It, it means losing a lot of friends and family in the process.

• 1:33:13Speaker 00

  Have you suffered from, uh, even speaking out about certain things? And like, have you like had any issues like come your way? Have you ever feared, feared for your safety? Have you had people that have spoken up against you? Or, like, what's that, what's that been like for you?

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, um, one thing that I think a lot about is what are the consequences for telling the truth? For speaking up, for drawing attention to secret societies? And here's my logic. I think that these people get to where they are because they are, uh, they really do believe in God. But the God they believe in may not be the God that we believe in, right? But they really do believe in God. And they really believe that what they're doing is doing God's will, and they're accelerating events that were, uh, predestined by God since the beginning of time.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  And so I present a paradox to them, because I seem to know their plans, right?

• 1:34:19Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  And so, um, if I don't get their plans correct, then I'm an idiot, and they can just ignore me. But if I'm able to articulate their plans, then how am I able to know all this? Because I'm not part of the secret societies. I'm, I don't know any of these people. But at the same time, I know how they think, and I know, uh, what their plan is. So, they can't resolve this paradox, so they, the only thing they can do is ignore me. I'm kind of dissonant. It, it, does that make sense?

• 1:34:52Speaker 00

  Right, if they were to come for you, then it would prove that there's something true about their plan. Is that what you're saying?

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  No, if they, so, in their mindset, if, the only way I can know their plan is if God told me their plan.

• 1:35:06Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  But they think that they're doing God's work. So, how to explain the fact that-

• 1:35:14Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  They're, God's telling them what to do, but also God's telling me to tell the world-

• 1:35:19Speaker 00

  That their plan's bad.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  What, what, what the plans are.

• 1:35:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:22Speaker 01

  So they're like, "Well, we don't know how to resolve this, so let, let, let's just ignore this guy."

• 1:35:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Hmm.

• 1:35:30Speaker 00

  Uh, do you, uh-

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. One more point is the idea of, um, um, it, so, there's a theory out there-

• 1:35:40Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  That, um, a lot of these societies, they reveal to you what their plan is. And the reason why is, um, let's just say they screw up and they blow up the world. And we're all go to heaven. And then God asks, "Hey, so what happened? How did you blow up the earth?" And, well, most of us will be like, "We didn't know what was going on."

• 1:36:05Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  Right? So they get all the blame. But let's just say they tell us their entire plan.

• 1:36:10Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:36:11Speaker 00

  Then it's all of our fault.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Then it's all our fault. We're complicit in our own destruction.

• 1:36:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Right? So, maybe I'm a useful tool, maybe I'm a useful idiot-

• 1:36:20Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  Who mysteriously is able to decipher their plans. I'm telling the, telling the world what's happening, but the secret society's like, "That's cool of us, because now, if everyone knows what's happening, and they do nothing, and it's complicit."

• 1:36:34Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  And so, yeah.

• 1:36:38Speaker 00

  We've all come, become very complicit with things being okay.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  Is it the same in China?

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, exactly.

• 1:36:44Speaker 00

  It's kind of heartbreaking sometimes. It's like, I don't know what happened. I don't know if there's been like this, a slow sedation.

• 1:36:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Speaker 00

  I can't tell what occurred, what has occurred. I can't tell if, you know, I don't know. It all just feels like we've lost some of our-

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  The great truth is that we're all spiritual beings.

• 1:37:04Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  We are first and foremost spiritual beings.

• 1:37:06Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  But materialism has corrupted us.

• 1:37:08Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  We should be focused on our spiritual well-being, on our consciousness, on elevating ourselves, on being generous, on being open, on being, on being spiritual. And now we live in a world where money's everything. So, we just pursue, uh, materialism.

• 1:37:27Speaker 00

  Right, we're so, yeah, you're so focused your whole life, and it's all built towards this. You gotta go to school to get a grade, to get a college, to get a job, to get a thing, and then get it from a-

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:37:37Speaker 00

  And to get a house. There's, everything is like the next carrot, it's always something.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  We are in the matrix.

• 1:37:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  And we have to wake up.

• 1:37:44Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:37:47Speaker 00

  We are in the matrix. Hello, we're in here.

• 1:37:53Speaker 00

  We want out. Whoever's seeing us, we want out.

• 1:38:00Speaker 00

  Help. Um, we're in an interesting spot, it feels like with, um. Oh, was that CERN accelerated? Did that have anything to do with how time has been adjusted, do you think? Or no, do you see anything with that?

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  I don't know much.

• 1:38:12Speaker 00

  I don't know much about that either, okay? Um, one thing I wanted to ask you before you leave. Uh, financially, you've talked about, um, about the transnational.

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  Capital.

• 1:38:21Speaker 00

  Capital.

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:22Speaker 00

  What would you do with money or assets right now? Like, what do you feel like the future of that could look like? Have you thought about that much?

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I think that the world is heading towards financial collapse. Um, and it's pretty clear with the AI bubble, right? Where, you know, they're building, uh, these data centers. And it's really uncertain how they will make money out of these data centers. And it's really seems the AI bubble is gonna burst. And, uh, it really seems that, um, the United States is heading towards financial collapse. And, and so I think that, you know, trying to figure out where to put your money, it's, it's a dead end. You have, you have to think about, how do I live my consciousness? So that I'm ready to help myself as well as others in that time of crisis.

• 1:39:15Speaker 00

  Ah, okay.

• 1:39:18Speaker 00

  Right, so what could I create right now? What could I start to have around me? Or what knowledge could I start to have?

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:39:24Speaker 00

  Cause if the grid goes down suddenly, you're just back to your own knowledge.

• 1:39:27Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:39:27Speaker 00

  And dude, a lot of us, if we had to go back to our own knowledge, bro.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Speaker 00

  Shit would be bunk.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're, we're dead.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, so.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:36Speaker 00

  But it will be exciting.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:38Speaker 00

  But I do think you're right. It's like, what skills would you have? What can you apply? How could you help someone? What could you offer?

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  And in a weird way, man, I feel like it's almost what we could use the most. Is that scary to say that?

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Look, I, I think that what you do, um, telling jokes is exactly what we will need in a time of crisis. We, we need in a time of darkness to see the light. And laughing is the best way to see, to see the light.

• 1:40:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, man, telling stories, being a part of joy, sitting around with people laughing, that's my favorite thing.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:40:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, sometimes I got lost, I think, on this, like, what was important, you know? The past few years, it's been fun, I've been having a good time, but some of it's just been like, yeah, I don't know. You get, you get, you get focused and you kind of, you don't lose yourself, but you, you feel a little disconnected from yourself, you know?

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, you know, I work in school reform. And what my theory is, that a school should be centered around laughter. Because if kids come into class laughing.

• 1:40:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  They learn the best, they're engaged, they're excited. So, uh, there was a science experiment, uh, ma- many years ago, uh, called.

• 1:40:54Speaker 00

  A scientific experiment?

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, called La- Laugh Club, okay? And so this Indian doctor, all, all he did was bringing people together at a park and just laugh together. And laughter, and laughing is infectious, right? So if someone's laughing, other people are laughing.

• 1:41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  And, um, he just asked people to pretend to laugh, like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. But what, what's magical is like, once you start to pretend to laugh and other people are bringing laugh as well, people start to laugh naturally.

• 1:41:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  And what he discovered is, uh, people who participate in Laugh Club every morning, the kids would go to school and pay more attention in class.

• 1:41:31Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  The, um, adults would go to work and have less stress. And the, um, elderly would, uh, be much more resilient against disease. They recover from disease faster. Yes, it's called Laugh Club.

• 1:41:46Speaker 00

  The Laughing Club of India, usually refers to Mira Naras. Short documentary about Mumbai's early laughter club movement, not a single exclusive organization. The film follows groups who meet often in parks to do stretching, clapping, breathing exercises, and deliberate group laughter as a social and stress relief practice. The movement was begun in Mumbai in 1995 by physician Dr. Madan Katharia. Its earliest meetings used jokes, but participants quickly shifted to laughter exercises when the jokes ran out. Huh.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  This is a movement you should start, United States.

• 1:42:19Speaker 00

  Amen, bro.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:20Speaker 00

  We need some things, we need to feel inspired and, and I don't mean, I don't even mean you, whoever's listening, I mean me. I mean, yeah, there's just, I don't know, I'm glad we're talking about it today. I do feel like there is an awakening in some ways. And I do feel like, yeah, we have been stuck in this matrix.

• 1:42:37Speaker 00

  Uh, I, I've heard you talk before you leave, and thank you so much for your time today.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  No, it was great, fantastic.

• 1:42:42Speaker 00

  Really cool, man, thank you.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  You know, I came with purpose, which, which is tell the joke about my wife and like the gay joke, and I've done that, so I'm, I'm, I'm good.

• 1:42:49Speaker 00

  Okay, good.

• 1:42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:51Speaker 00

  Uh, I, I've heard, uh, we, a lot of what we consume nowadays is very, um, there's huge filters on it. It's like the information that we get, what's allowed to come through. Um, you know, I think we saw that after, like, the, a lot of information came out about Gaza. It's like, now I don't see many videos about it anymore.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:08Speaker 00

  I think a lot of it, just, you know, um, there's a lot of strongholds on who has, who, who is letting information through to us.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:43:17Speaker 00

  Uh, how do you, I've heard you talk about a propaganda test before. What's a propaganda test that you use to know if something is propaganda or not?

• 1:43:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, um, I think what's really important is, um, for people to make predictions. Um, because whenever we, uh, see something, we're, we're, we're making certain assumptions about the world. And so the way for us to know if the way we understand the world is correct or not, is by extending the logic and making predictions about how the world should turn out. And if it doesn't turn out the way that, uh, we predicted, then we should just reflect on, on how we think and make changes to ourselves. And I think the, the greatest problem in the world that we have today is gatekeeping.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  There's too much gatekeeping in media, there's too much gatekeeping in academics. So for example, I'm not really a professor, right?

• 1:44:14Speaker 00

  You're not?

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not a professor, I'm, I'm a high school teacher.

• 1:44:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:44:19Speaker 01

  I don't have a PhD, right? So, so just for, um, yeah, just to be for honesty, okay? But that's just gatekeeping, like, where, where, you know, if you're not a college professor, you don't, you don't have a PhD, you're not a specialist, you're not, you don't get, get to be called a professor, okay? There's just too much gatekeeping going on.

• 1:44:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:36Speaker 01

  I, I think that what's, one way to improve our society is if experts are forced to make predictions. Because now we know how good their knowledge set is, right?

• 1:44:47Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  Right, and now it's democratic. Now, now it's not just like, you're Harvard PhD and therefore you know what you're doing. No, no, it's like, you, you are.

• 1:44:55Speaker 00

  Show your work.

• 1:44:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:44:57Speaker 00

  Show your work. Bro, I like that.

• 1:44:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's be democratic.

• 1:45:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, a basketball player, it's like, you don't just believe he's good if he tells you.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:45:04Speaker 00

  Or you believe he's good because he went to a lot of basketball camps, he's gotta go do it.

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  Look, look at COVID, right? I mean, during COVID, there were, were these vaccines.

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  Oh dude, Anthony Fauci's a [BLEEP] dude, that guy's a.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Look, look, look, and he, and he was like, how dare you question the science? We know better, uh, than, uh, than you. We, we have your best interests at heart, just obey us, trust the science, bro.

• 1:45:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:31Speaker 01

  And that's it. And it's like, okay, fine, show me the science, because, you know?

• 1:45:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:35Speaker 01

  Show me!

• 1:45:37Speaker 00

  I know. It's the matrix, man.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:41Speaker 00

  I'm glad we got to meet at least here in the matrix.

• 1:45:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well, well, everything, everything happens for a purpose.

• 1:45:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  You know, and like, you know, I really respect what you do, you bring truth to the world through, through laughter. And that's really the most powerful way of communicating.

• 1:45:55Speaker 00

  Well, thank you, uh, Professor Zhang, um, I appreciate it. Yeah, I just appreciate that, like, it's just interesting, I think one thing that is great about social media and stuff, and, uh, and technology is just the different, um, people that you can, uh, bear witness to, you know? And different people that can get their voice out there. And I think it's great that you've developed a voice for yourself. Um, what do you, what do your students think about it? What do they, what do they think about it in China?

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  Um, so.

• 1:46:22Speaker 00

  Are you more popular here than in China?

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  I'm way more popular here than in China. People think I'm actually insane in, in China.

• 1:46:31Speaker 00

  Uh, why is it because you're brave, you put yourself out there? Is that a thing that doesn't happen very much in China, where people kind of put, like?

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, so I, I think that a lot of things I say are dark.

• 1:46:45Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  And so they, uh, would rather be ignorant.

• 1:46:50Speaker 00

  Oh, I see.

• 1:46:50Speaker 01

  Ignorance is bliss.

• 1:46:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, it is, man. I used to be so ignorant, dude, and I was fucking doing great.

• 1:46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:46:58Speaker 00

  I was doing great, dude.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know, once you achieve full knowledge, you'll do even better.

• 1:47:04Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't, I'll never get there, but.

• 1:47:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, a little bit at a time, man.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  It's always about the journey.

• 1:47:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  It's always about the journey, yeah.

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, and yeah, connecting with the people that you love, that's what God put us here for, that's why we're here.

• 1:47:17Speaker 01

  That's right, family.

• 1:47:19Speaker 00

  We're here to have experiences that mean something.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:47:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, Professor Zhang, thank you so much for your time today. Uh, travel safe, how do you say goodbye in Chinese?

• 1:47:27Speaker 01

  Zaijian.

• 1:47:28Speaker 00

  Zaijian.

• 1:47:29Speaker 01

  Yes. Okay, zaijian.

• 1:47:30Speaker 00

  Zaijian.

• 1:47:31Speaker 07

  Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves, I must be cornerstone.

• 1:47:42Speaker 07

  Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my life out, I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take.

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