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Chapters:
00:00:00 100th Episode!!
00:00:59 Lincoln Bronco
00:06:30 Doug Predicts Ferrari Will Make a Manual
00:06:59 Lamborghini Cancels Electric Car
00:10:21 Is the RS5 Avant Not Actually Coming to the States?
00:13:21 Warby Parker
00:15:00 More RS5 Avant Talk
00:18:29 Baby G-Wagen
00:22:15 New Mazda Miata
00:26:01 No New BMW Manual Transmissions
00:29:46 Hagerty
00:31:06 Corvette ZR1X
00:36:12 Aston Martin Is Cutting Down Its Work Force
00:37:49 Lucid Building an Electric SUV in the Middle East?
00:39:07 New Chrysler Pacifica
00:41:05 New Cybertruck for $60K
00:42:36 Optional Frunk Trunks
00:44:59 Acre Gold
00:46:01 Talk Cars!
00:46:49 Doug Broke Down in a Car
00:50:13 The Fiat Multipla is Gone
00:53:29 Nick is Off of BS Cars
00:56:58 Square
00:58:22 CX-5 Screen
01:02:07 Coinbase NSX
01:03:14 Filippo Still Loves His E-Class Wagon
01:05:25 Doug Still NEEDS an E55 Wagon
01:06:07 Market Report: R35 GT-R Values
01:08:10 Questions!
01:10:59 Favorite Moments of the Last 100 Episodes?
01:11:30 Is the Ferrari California Becoming More Desirable?
01:15:53 Is the American Boomer Car Market Crumbling?
01:17:54 Car Facts That Are Not True
01:20:20 Best Non-American Police Vehicle?
01:23:34 What EV Would You Consider?
01:26:58 What us the Manliest Man Car?
01:27:35 Conclusion
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1:05 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod!
1:09 Speaker 03 I'm Filippo.
1:09 Doug DeMuro? I'm Nick.
1:10 Speaker 04 I'm Doug.
1:11 Doug DeMuro? And today we got a big news, 100 years of our podcast.
1:16 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:17 Doug DeMuro? Something like that, more or less. No, this is our 100th episode, and it's a special episode, because we're gonna have, we have special things to talk about.
1:25 Speaker 03 And somebody photoshopped 100 into a Ford GT headlight.
1:28 Doug DeMuro? No, that's how it looks. That's how it looks. What do you mean? Mmm.
1:35 Doug DeMuro? You've never seen this?
1:36 Speaker 03 I'll just go verify.
1:36 Doug DeMuro? You've never seen this?
1:37 Speaker 03 No, I have not noticed that.
1:38 Doug DeMuro? It was for Ford's 100th anniversary. They made the lights so happy. You never knew this?
1:41 Speaker 03 How could you? They did it for us.
1:43 Doug DeMuro? They only did it on one side. The other side it says 001. But that's because it's the number one best Ford of all time. Our 100th podcast, thank you so much for listening, for watching, for viewing us for 100 years.
1:54 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:55 Doug DeMuro? When we started this podcast, the depression was in full swing. All right, let's move on to the first news story. Lincoln Bronco, folks, I'm not gonna gloat. I'm not gonna gloat. Maybe to him. Maybe to him, because he's always saying that I'm an idiot. But I'm not gonna gloat. However, I did say on this podcast that Lincoln should make a Bronco, and then they did. A Lincoln G-Wagon, based on the Bronco. I want Lincoln to go out there and make a G-Wagon. Like Abraham himself?
2:29 Doug DeMuro? Hopefully this isn't it.
2:31 Speaker 03 No, this is a Navigator with a different Lincoln grill?
2:36 Doug DeMuro? What happened is, a couple of months ago, we started talking about how Lincoln should make a Bronco. Because there's a G-Wagon and it sells. And then this week, they came out and announced that they were gonna make a Bronco.
2:45 Speaker 03 Great.
2:46 Doug DeMuro? I got a buddy who works for Lincoln, and I texted him randomly a couple of weeks ago, and he was like, "Hey, hey, yeah, nice to hear from you." I hadn't talked to him like a year, two years. He goes, "Nice to talk to you. By the way, the Lincoln Bronco is a good idea." And I thought he was kidding. And it turns out, he was confirming it! Anyway, the point is this.
3:02 Speaker 03 Um, I'm brilliant and always correct. You got anything to say to that?
3:05 Speaker 04 I, when I saw this news story, I immediately cringed. And just thought, "I cannot handle this."
3:12 Doug DeMuro? I also predicted the Xterra. And, and years ago, I, coming back, and years ago, I said that Lexus should make a G-Wagon, and then they took the GX and made it like a square.
3:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:21 Doug DeMuro? And you could say that this was brilliant, but really, I was just saying that the automakers should all make off-road vehicles because that is the trend. And despite years of me banging this drum, Chevy still does not have a Raptor competitor.
3:32 Speaker 03 Insane. This is exciting. Obviously, Lincoln should do this. Fun, fun fact, they were going to refresh the Bronco. They said this week that the Bronco is not getting a refresh at all, because it's selling well enough.
3:43 Doug DeMuro? It's selling well, it's on a point. Um, you know, the Corvette refresh was, they took the buttons off the flyover.
3:48 Speaker 03 They won't even do that for the Bronco.
3:48 Speaker 04 This basically is the refresh.
3:50 Doug DeMuro? One interesting thing about this, when we were talking about it, or something I didn't say, but I've been thinking, making a Lincoln version of the Bronco is gonna be hard. The, the G-Wagon is purpose-built, ground-up as a luxury vehicle. The Bronco, no offense, is not a luxury vehicle. Like, it's not a luxury car. Like, the doors come off, the roof comes off.
4:09 Speaker 03 It's competitive for what it is, but it's not.
4:11 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be hard to turn that. It's like how all those companies try to turn Defenders into good cars, and you can't actually do that.
4:19 Speaker 03 Dead leather, but it's still a Defender.
4:20 Doug DeMuro? Still Defender. It's trash. Like, that's gonna be the situation here. I'm curious how you've succeeded.
4:27 Speaker 03 They succeeded with the Blackwood.
4:28 Doug DeMuro? Blackwood. They succeeded with the Mark LT. What, what do you mean? What's your concern? They did succeed with the Navigator, but I would argue that, that, you know, the Expedition is a much, already lends itself to much more. It, it'll be very interesting to see how, does a Lincoln Bronco, the doors come off? Like, do you know what I mean?
4:44 Speaker 03 Can you not imagine they civilized? It's certainly gonna be four-door only. They won't have a two-door.
4:48 Doug DeMuro? But imagine if they had a two-door Lincoln Bronco with a V8, like the Defender 90 V8.
4:52 Speaker 03 Wow.
4:53 Doug DeMuro? That would down.
4:54 Speaker 04 I'm into it.
4:54 Doug DeMuro? That'd be real.
4:55 Speaker 03 They won't.
4:56 Speaker 04 You know, the old G-Wagon wasn't all that nice either. It was basically like Sean's bad colored G-Wagon, not that nice.
5:03 Doug DeMuro? But people have come to expect in today's world, the G-Wagon. They like know the, the new Defender.
5:09 Speaker 04 Lincoln, your, your expectations are a little lower and sorry, Lincoln.
5:11 Doug DeMuro? I totally disagree with that. I think Lincoln makes the best cars in the three segments they're in.
5:17 Speaker 03 They're great. I, you gotta imagine it will not have removable doors. It will not have a removable top, but it will be capable off-road and look. Like an off-road SUV.
5:25 Doug DeMuro? I honestly truly wonder, I mean, the Bronco's an amazing chassis.
5:30 Doug DeMuro? Is it easier to just start from scratch? You know, because like it, it, the Bronco is not a car where NVH is a, is a thing they're thinking about much. It's probably 84th on the list. But if you're gonna charge the kind of money they, they're gonna have to, because the Bronco's not cheap. So a Lincoln one's probably gonna start at 70. Yeah, it'll be an 80, 85 car.
5:47 Speaker 03 You add enough carpet, you make the windows and doors not removable. So you add additional sound bedding, double pin windows.
5:52 Doug DeMuro? But was it designed for that?
5:54 Speaker 03 I mean, it'll be a lot of extra weight. It'll be tough. I, I, I do kinda wonder if they'll actually just shorten like the Expedition chassis. Or the Navigator.
6:02 Doug DeMuro? People wouldn't let them though. If they, if they were like, we're gonna do a Lincoln Bronco and then they came out with a Navigator based thing that looks.
6:08 Speaker 03 Or like a whatever chassis they use for the Aviator, which is a car that might still exist.
6:12 Doug DeMuro? Well, it's the, it's the, remember the Explorer chassis, which is rear wheel drive. It's actually a pretty good chassis.
6:16 Speaker 03 They could just use that.
6:17 Doug DeMuro? But it, it won't have any off-road credibility.
6:19 Speaker 03 But then you add some tech, you know?
6:20 Speaker 04 I, I think they can screw this out. I mean, and also some, some, some light strips on the interior, some ambient lighting.
6:26 Speaker 03 You make it look a little off-roady, you add a crawl control, you're done.
6:30 Speaker 04 Benchmark this to the Yukon Denali, not to the G-Wagon. So they, they're able to take a Yukon, kind of a boring car.
6:35 Speaker 03 They'd argue they already have a.
6:36 Doug DeMuro? But that's the Navigator.
6:37 Speaker 04 I, I agree, but this is the Bronco equivalent, like a Denali trim level.
6:41 Doug DeMuro? The Denali is the luxury trim. You're talking about the Yukon AT4.
6:44 Speaker 04 No, I'm saying this is like a Denali-ified version of the Bronco.
6:47 Doug DeMuro? Okay, got it.
6:48 Speaker 04 They will put nicer springs in it, they'll put some sound deadening in it.
6:50 Doug DeMuro? So you're saying they're not trying to make a true luxury vehicle?
6:52 Speaker 04 It's not a one, it's not a complete new vehicle, it's a nicer trim level of an existing vehicle.
6:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe so, I don't know. To sell it under a Lincoln brand, they probably have certain things they want from it. I'm very curious to see how it all shakes down. Lincoln dealers will be thrilled. They will be thrilled.
7:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:06 Doug DeMuro? Although, to your point about the Blackwood, like, that was an idea. Like, oh, there's so many people love that 150s. It was a great idea. Let's do a Lincoln. Well, it turns out that the people who want pickup trucks don't want a luxury brand name. However, we already know from the G-Wagon and others that they are willing to do that for SUVs.
7:21 Speaker 04 You know what he's doing right now? He's backpedaling because he gave Lincoln the idea, now that it flops, he doesn't want to be blamed for it.
7:28 Doug DeMuro? I don't want to be blamed, for god's sake! And I gave him the Xterra idea, and by the way, we're now gonna move on to a segment called Doug Predicts, wherein I predict the future. Doug predicts that Ferrari comes out with a manual transmission. That's the next one. I've been predicting this and the... Manual Ferrari. You're gonna double down on this? Yeah. You're stake your record on this? No, but like, come on, this is, how can they not? I got another prediction coming in about two news stories, by the way. We can move on to the next one. This is all speculative.
7:59 Speaker 04 Yes, Lamborghini and my boy Stefan Linkman announce that they will no longer be targeting the La... You can pronounce this better, Lenzentador electric vehicle. And the funny part is they say, you know, instead of saying like Lamborghini would just, there's no demand for a luxury EV, he said it does not have the specific emotional connection that we want with our customers.
8:21 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting Ferrari's sitting here developing this Apple iPad, electric station wagon, and Lambo's like, nope.
8:28 Speaker 04 Is it not a boss move to wait like one week after it drops? With a more beautiful car and be like, good luck?
8:34 Doug DeMuro? This car is really cool looking, I wish there was a gas version of this. It's rea... I think it's like, pretty neat looking. But, yeah. I don't want an EV Lambo, so.
8:42 Speaker 04 But, and yeah, I think, I think this is a smart move for them, both from a branding perspective of just like,
8:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
8:48 Speaker 04 Like, being like, we're not like Ferrari, like, you'd feel really stupid in Maranello right now.
8:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
8:53 Speaker 04 But also, like, you probably wouldn't have done that great.
8:54 Doug DeMuro? And those people have seen what that looks like, and so they're sitting here looking at their... Electric hatchback.
9:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:00 Doug DeMuro? And Lambos out like, we ain't gonna do this.
9:02 Speaker 04 Plus, there's a plug-in version of the Urus. Like, do we need the full EV?
9:06 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid, a child, a wee lad.
9:08 Speaker 04 Ooh.
9:09 Doug DeMuro? Ferrari was the company for connoisseurs and Lamborghini was the company for.
9:12 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:13 Doug DeMuro? Poser idiots. And we've seen some changes to that.
9:18 Speaker 04 Uh huh.
9:18 Doug DeMuro? Um, Lamborghini's still the company for poser idiots, but now so is Ferrari. But with this, you start to wonder if like, the enthusiast is maybe more the Lamborghini buyer.
9:29 Speaker 03 Sounds like somebody that bought a Lamborghini.
9:32 Doug DeMuro? Well, maybe. Am I wrong though? Like, really? Like, you think about Ferrari and all the people who are buying them and the, and the colors and the options and the stupid crap that they're doing. And Lambo's doing it too, to an extent, but I just feel like there's a little bit more credibility to a degree in modern Lambos.
9:46 Speaker 04 And you got the V12 staying in the Veyron though. Like, their design language has been great. Like, they're, they're making some smart moves.
9:52 Speaker 03 They're more genuinely them.
9:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, right. We just need a Mu comeback.
9:56 Speaker 04 What, what's great too is they can always change their mind. Like, they got the free press out of this, just to be like, sorry Ferrari.
10:02 Doug DeMuro? You know that someday they're gonna, right? But like, saying now, hey, we're not doing this, that's real. And there's, there's a some cost fallacy that if you're an automaker is sometimes hard to ignore. Like, Ferrari shouldn't do it. Like, if you look at all the other EV supercars, they've all failed. They're all disasters. Ferrari shouldn't, but they've gone this far. A real company, like Stellantis, who canceled whatever they were, remember they had all sorts of EVs?
10:24 Speaker 03 They canceled everything.
10:25 Doug DeMuro? Canceled them all. That's what a real company is.
10:28 Speaker 03 Fucking hybrid that was actively for sale.
10:29 Doug DeMuro? Lambo's doing this too. Ferrari has a, there's a sun call, oh, we can make it work for Ferrari.
10:34 Speaker 03 To be fair, that is one of the benefits that Lambo has, right? They're owned by Audi.
10:37 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
10:38 Speaker 03 And the Volkswagen Group. They, that development is all co-mingled with Porsche and Audis, et cetera. So they can get away with saying, we don't want to use that platform and that work.
10:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
10:46 Speaker 03 Because they haven't invested all of their R and D budget for the last decade.
10:49 Doug DeMuro? That's true also at Ferrari.
10:50 Speaker 03 They've, they're doing it alone, fundamentally.
10:53 Doug DeMuro? I mean, they have more money than God. Ferrari has more money than literally God. God comes for ass for a bank.
10:58 Speaker 03 Well, that's why they're gonna keep going, because they have more money than, than God. But Lambo has the ability to say, no, we're gonna pause.
11:04 Doug DeMuro? Reputation is everything to Ferrari. The whole company trades on reputation.
11:07 Speaker 03 Their argument would be that they've always been the people moving the market forward and developing what's next. And this is gonna be what's next.
11:13 Doug DeMuro? And so in the world of electric hatchbacks, Ferrari will be the class leader.
11:17 Speaker 03 Them and the Sonic 5N.
11:19 Doug DeMuro? Yes. Uh, okay, that's a good news story. Here's another one. Nick, do you want to say it? And I'll say, I'll give you my future prediction.
11:26 Speaker 04 Well, last week, you all talked about the RS5 Avant, how exciting it is and how it's definitely coming to the US.
11:32 Speaker 03 We didn't have any information about it, by the way.
11:34 Speaker 04 But there's a, there's a little asterisk there that's bigger than the exhaust tips of the RS5.
11:38 Speaker 03 Which are giant.
11:39 Speaker 04 Which are giant, yes.
11:40 Speaker 03 It's wild.
11:40 Speaker 04 That it might not be coming to the United States after all.
11:43 Speaker 03 I will say, this is, I did a deep dive on this. So this is all coming from one YouTuber, who's very well liked and known in the Audi community, who apparently spoke to somebody at Audi, and they told him, no, we don't have a plan to bring it to the US. Nobody else has independently confirmed this. Audi has not spoken to anybody else and said this.
11:59 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna tell you right now.
12:00 Speaker 03 A little up in the air.
12:01 Doug DeMuro? Here's Doug's prediction. It's coming to the US.
12:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:04 Doug DeMuro? That's that. Audi created demand for this RS6. After years of being like, no, nobody wants it. Well, guess what? We do want it. And by the way, we don't want your sedan. And they don't even make an RS6 sedan anymore. That's how much people don't want it.
12:18 Speaker 04 True.
12:19 Doug DeMuro? And in fact, the RS6 forced BMW to come with the M5. I was at a BMW event three years ago where they launched the XM. Total disaster. And they admitted to me openly that they had, they made the mistake and wish they had brought the M3 wagon. But the decision had been made late enough that they hadn't seen how the RS6 had done, et cetera, and they wished the M3 wagon had come. This is gonna come to the States. It just is. And if it isn't, then it's just another example in so many of our examples of Audi not understanding its customers, its brand position, all this stuff. But you gotta assume it's coming to the US. It just is. Audi created the segment for the RS6.
12:53 Speaker 03 Yep.
12:53 Doug DeMuro? You sent in an email?
12:54 Speaker 03 No, I'm trying to, I want to reference the YouTuber correctly who, who had that break, and I miss who it is. Um, couple of things about it, because we didn't, we didn't have any facts last week. Uh, the RS5, uh, 2.9 liter V6 plug-in hybrid, quite heavy.
13:10 Doug DeMuro? 630 horse.
13:11 Speaker 03 Yep. Real power, real performance, relatively heavy, as they all are, because it had the battery pack.
13:16 Doug DeMuro? What's the weight?
13:17 Speaker 03 5,400 pounds, something like that.
13:19 Doug DeMuro? That's not that bad, yeah.
13:20 Speaker 03 Um, uh.
13:22 Doug DeMuro? Not good.
13:22 Speaker 03 Yeah. I, one thing that's interesting, that that same YouTuber put it on their video. The RS4 is dead. The RS4, which has this heritage,
13:30 Doug DeMuro? I know.
13:30 Speaker 03 Especially in the community. You wanted to be five, you wanted to be six, you wanted to be seven RS4. They're all very desirable. It's dead.
13:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, although originally it was called the RS2. Like ultimately, time moves on and life soldiers on and...
13:41 Speaker 03 Nevertheless.
13:42 Doug DeMuro? This is the way life works, you know what I'm saying? Things die, things bloom again.
13:46 Speaker 03 Is that a smart move?
13:48 Speaker 04 Um, I could see an RS3 sportback coming eventually. I mean, or I guess it already exists.
13:53 Doug DeMuro? The Autobots generally find that adding numbers gets people to buy the cars. Like, oh, I got a, like, your lease comes up, now you can get out of an A4 and get into an A5. Mentally, there's a big deal. I'm serious. But that's why they call it the S550 instead of the S500.
14:07 Speaker 03 But is that true when the RS4 has heritage?
14:11 Doug DeMuro? Does it?
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16:00 Doug DeMuro? I will say this, Audi, I love Audi dearly. Audi's, I should send an email over to Audi's PR guy who I love. He's one of my top five favorite PR guys.
16:07 Speaker 04 Wow.
16:08 Doug DeMuro? People, PR people.
16:10 Speaker 03 Let's go through it. Let's go through the list.
16:13 Doug DeMuro? I really do love him, partially because he tells me the truth. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. The, the difference between a PR person I love and a PR person that's fine, I love the ones that tell me the truth. Hey, this car sucks. But the next one will be good. And some PR people actually say things like that and it's lovely. But the Audi, um, if Audi doesn't bring this and does bring the Q, did bring the Q4. Which is the worst car on sale, by the way. If you're thinking about buying a Q4, don't. It's horrible. You're making a mistake.
16:42 Speaker 03 Don't worry about the Q4 Sportback.
16:43 Doug DeMuro? The Q4 Sportback is actually the worst car on sale. Are those still on sale?
16:46 Speaker 03 I think they're maybe gone. The, the new Q5 is out, the new Q6 is out.
16:51 Doug DeMuro? New Q5 is great. Q6 is great too, actually. This is coming.
16:54 Speaker 03 Can I, are you aware that there's the Audi A5, you reviewed it?
16:58 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
16:58 Speaker 03 There's an Audi A6, which you've maybe reviewed, e-tron.
17:00 Doug DeMuro? No.
17:01 Speaker 03 There's an Audi A6 e-tron. There's now an Audi A6 gas.
17:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
17:04 Speaker 03 Which should not have been possible. That is, looks different, entirely different from the E6.
17:08 Doug DeMuro? From the electric one. Yeah. Audi's, there's a, it's a little bit of a.
17:12 Speaker 03 Yeah. The R5 though, looks phenomenal. I think the rear end with the gigantic dual exhausts, one on each side. Is a bit much for me.
17:20 Doug DeMuro? It is a bit much, but this is the way direct styling is going. You know, I remember when Porsches were subtle and the GT3 RS. Like even Porsche has gone into this, like, we have to show off and look ridiculous and all that. So we, we can't have, unfortunately, the C5 RS6 that we love so dearly. Those days are over. You can't just have like subtle changes.
17:36 Speaker 03 That's a lot.
17:36 Doug DeMuro? You gotta have a big vent. You gotta have big exhaust. It's the way of the world. It's still, it is still less showy than its Mercedes Benz and BMW competitors. And by the way, if they don't. Bring it here.
17:47 Speaker 04 Have you seen the rear end?
17:48 Doug DeMuro? Have you seen an M3? Have you seen the front end?
17:51 Speaker 04 I mean, fair.
17:53 Doug DeMuro? If they don't bring it here, I think their reasoning is that no one's ever really tried or succeeded with a wagon this size before. It's all been the bigger ones. But I would argue that Audi has created the demand with the RS6. Mercedes was selling the E63 wagon at a trickle for a long time. RS6 showed up, it is vastly more popular than, I think it might even be more popular than the all-road version.
18:12 Speaker 04 Oh, certainly.
18:13 Doug DeMuro? I certainly see them about one to one. And then M5 had to come, and Audi can create their own demand. They have customers interested in this stuff. And I'm gonna say it right here on this podcast. If Audi brings this car to the United States, Nick will buy one new. Nick will buy one new if Audi brings it to the United States.
18:29 Speaker 04 That is a bold prediction, all right.
18:31 Doug DeMuro? I'm not predicting, I'm saying you've now committed to this.
18:33 Speaker 04 Well, you committed for me.
18:35 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
18:35 Speaker 04 If there's the right financing deal, perhaps.
18:38 Speaker 00 Coca-Cola. For the big, for the small, the short, and the tall. Peacemakers, risk takers. For the optimists, pessimists. For long-distance love. For introverts and extroverts. The thinkers and the doers. For old friends and new. Coca-Cola. For everyone. Pick up some Coca-Cola at a store near you.
19:10 Doug DeMuro? What's that deal?
19:10 Speaker 04 I, mm.
19:14 Speaker 04 I don't know what, like, a lease cost, but all right.
19:18 Doug DeMuro? What a lease cost.
19:19 Speaker 04 500 a month?
19:20 Doug DeMuro? 500 a month, yeah.
19:21 Speaker 04 No, it's not bad.
19:22 Doug DeMuro? A3 base. He's gonna Q4 E-tron.
19:25 Speaker 03 You could get there with like a 100-month loan.
19:28 Speaker 04 I'll do one of the like Ed Bullion one-time pay lease buyout things.
19:31 Doug DeMuro? Okay, that doesn't.
19:32 Speaker 03 It's gonna be more than 500 dollars.
19:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I still like.
19:35 Speaker 04 I imagine there would be a waitlist for this. There wouldn't be deals. People would be excited for it.
19:39 Doug DeMuro? I think so too.
19:39 Speaker 04 Very much. It might even be the most enthusiast-oriented Audi on sale when it comes out. With the RA gone.
19:45 Doug DeMuro? It absolutely, I truly believe this will come to the States. I truly, truly believe that. And if they don't, it's just the Q4. The Q4 and not this, it's embarrassing. But I'll get angry about it when we find out if it actually is.
19:57 Speaker 03 Audiography, by the way, the YouTube channel.
19:59 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, I follow him.
20:00 Doug DeMuro? Next news story, please. Oh, yes, Suzuki Jimny.
20:03 Speaker 03 Yep, okay, this is a rendering, I guess, of, although we have spy shots, too, of the baby G-Wagon. For a long time, Mercedes said it was gonna be electric only.
20:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
20:13 Speaker 03 It would, of course, be the baby G-Wagon with EQ technology.
20:16 Doug DeMuro? EQ technology.
20:17 Speaker 03 We now know that there will also be a plug-in hybrid or a hybrid of some sort in addition to the EV version.
20:22 Doug DeMuro? There'll be gasoline.
20:23 Speaker 03 There'll be gasoline.
20:25 Doug DeMuro? You know what I'm worried about with this baby G-Wagon? Say you're driving around in your G-Wagon, your real G-Wagon. Aren't you a little worried that, Sean, are you worried this is gonna make us feel, yep, he's saying, yeah, even him with his old rusty, bad-colored G-Wagon, he's worried that it's gonna make him seem less legit.
20:41 Speaker 04 I heard the rust is spreading.
20:43 Doug DeMuro? It's, it is. Are you, when you, when you, a full-size Range Rover man, when you see a sport, do you think to yourself, oh, this loser?
20:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, it's, it's, not only do I not want to be associated with them, but it's, it's like they're just of a different planet.
20:59 Doug DeMuro? Different planet. You have a valuable, full-size Range Rover that, that was given to you for free and, and, and only has six illuminated warning lights. Like, the, the sport people are nothing near one.
21:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, it's trash.
21:12 Speaker 03 It's like you when somebody pulls up next to you in a Mustang GT.
21:16 Speaker 04 Or the Bronco Sport or the Bronco.
21:18 Speaker 03 Baby Ford GT.
21:18 Doug DeMuro? The, the Mustang GT, though, is baller. And this, I think, is gonna be a weenie car. If I'm honest. Do you think I'm wrong?
21:26 Speaker 03 I said, no.
21:27 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be, it's gonna be a baby G-Wagon plug-in hybrid.
21:30 Speaker 03 Or maybe a regular hybrid, I guess, we don't know for sure.
21:33 Doug DeMuro? Does that matter? It's a G-Wagon Prius. People are gonna see these and laugh at them, just like people have been laughing at the baby versions of real cars since the dawn of time.
21:41 Speaker 03 I don't know, the Range Rover Sport sells well and looks pretty decent.
21:43 Doug DeMuro? No, the Range Sport is a great car. That's not really what I mean, but like Boxer Cayman.
21:46 Speaker 03 The Disco Sport, different.
21:48 Doug DeMuro? Boxer Cayman, which I love dearly, after 30 years, still has the stigma. And they're now making RS version. It still has the stigma of being not the full.
21:58 Speaker 04 And this isn't the Disco Sport, this is the Freelander equivalent. Like, this is so far.
22:03 Doug DeMuro? Sharing your modern car knowledge.
22:05 Speaker 04 We're hanging out in similar crowds.
22:07 Doug DeMuro? I went to a Freelander the other day, Nick, yellow convertible with like no miles on marketplace.
22:11 Speaker 03 We didn't buy it.
22:11 Doug DeMuro? It was somewhere on the other side of the country. And they sent it to me and they were like, if you bought this, you would rule Nantucket in the summer. And I was like, you absolutely would not, and I don't think you'd make it there. I saw one on the road the other day here in North Park. What? Yeah.
22:24 Speaker 04 They're around.
22:24 Doug DeMuro? Convertible Freelander. You don't send me these photos. It was too far away. I couldn't get a picture. It was up the street and I turned.
22:29 Speaker 04 I saw you that two-door Evoque over the weekend.
22:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I enjoyed that.
22:32 Speaker 04 Coop, like chasing this lady down as she was going to her boutique in Del Mar.
22:36 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's gonna be our situation with the G-Wagon. No, I have a suspicion this is gonna sell in crazy numbers. I'm just disappointed by it. A real G-Wagon is made in Austria, Sean?
22:44 Speaker 03 Yeah!
22:45 Speaker 04 Too many people buy the G-Wagons that never use them and think that they are too big and brutish. If you are finishing your senior year at a sorority in the down south and you need, you got your first job in PR, like this is gonna be the ultimate vehicle.
22:59 Doug DeMuro? When I started school at Emory, which was in 2006, there were two Freelander's in the sorority.
23:04 Speaker 04 Yup, yup, yup.
23:05 Doug DeMuro? Nice.
23:06 Speaker 03 That's perfect.
23:07 Doug DeMuro? I agree. Look, from a, from a business point of view, it's gonna be awesome.
23:09 Speaker 04 You gotta do it.
23:10 Doug DeMuro? For Mercedes-Benz, it's gonna be awesome. I do wonder, every time you water down something, it does potentially have an effect on the big thing. Maserati showed us it can really screw things up. Like, no one thinks Maserati's legit anymore.
23:22 Speaker 03 Right.
23:22 Doug DeMuro? No one legit thinks Maserati's legit.
23:25 Speaker 04 Let's just say, this is a good alternative to the Q4 Sportback.
23:28 Doug DeMuro? I mean, the, the, the.
23:29 Speaker 04 It's moving the market up.
23:30 Doug DeMuro? You know what the best alternative to Q4 Sportback is?
23:32 Speaker 04 Walking.
23:32 Doug DeMuro? Walking.
23:34 Speaker 04 Called it.
23:35 Doug DeMuro? The city bus.
23:37 Speaker 03 Alright. Let's move on.
23:38 Doug DeMuro? Anything used, whatever this is, whatever this is.
23:43 Speaker 03 Uh, I see, I see, I'm sorry. There was additional confirmation out of Mazda's European division that the next Miata, the N, the NE Miata, first of all, is, there's like, there are prototypes of it, they're actively working on it. It will be electrified in some way. It will not be EV, but there will be an electric component.
24:03 Speaker 04 Like a 12-volt battery?
24:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, something like that. No, like a plug-in hybrid or a hybrid.
24:06 Doug DeMuro? They did, they also said in, in the same thing that they would remain true to their roots. I am curious. Having driven the Temerario, I'm sorry, the John Temerian, and having now looked at this RS5 Avant, which is 1,200 pounds heavier than the previous RS4 Avant, and having driven the M5 and all that, how is it possible that you stay true to your roots? Uh, and go, and go hybrid?
24:27 Speaker 03 I think the answer is a really small battery pack.
24:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, maybe. But like, I'm looking at all these cars, like, the relative weight increase is still gonna be significant, considering what the Miata is, you know what I mean?
24:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, fair. But it can still be the lightest car around.
24:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
24:40 Speaker 03 And, and there are some EVs that are sold in Europe and other markets that are legitimately just very low-range EVs.
24:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
24:46 Speaker 03 And those are pretty light.
24:46 Doug DeMuro? Maybe. Yeah. It's not gonna be a low ra-
24:49 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no. It, it will be a hybrid or something. But if you do it correctly-
24:52 Doug DeMuro? But you're saying, of small batteries?
24:53 Speaker 03 Yeah. There were some, no, you could imagine they're going like a Porsche direction where there are hybrid 911s.
25:00 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
25:00 Speaker 03 They don't add that much weight.
25:01 Doug DeMuro? Mm-hmm. Are you crazy? The 992 GTS, the new 992 GTS weighs 12,400 pounds.
25:10 Speaker 03 What is it actually?
25:13 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I'm sorry, it's 11,680 pounds. Yeah.
25:18 Speaker 03 Wow.
25:19 Doug DeMuro? You know, it is 3,600 pounds and it's only 110 pounds heavier than the previous model.
25:23 Speaker 03 But I, what was interesting about with the, the Mazda, your person said is that you, they could, they look forward to, basically, they look forward to driving with no sound at all. So I don't think that's doable, because like, the engine always runs in that, just the hybrid is important. So there will have to be a true-
25:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
25:39 Speaker 03 Hybrid component.
25:40 Doug DeMuro? But it can be lightish. The good news with Miata is there's not like this beloved sound that enthusiasts have to hear like in some of these cars. The bad news with Miata is that weight has always been its big thing, and I keep driving these cars with the weight, and they're all awesome. Like, Temerario, despite what the comments saying, "Oh, the V10, it's no V10, it sucks", I totally disagree, it drove great. It is heavy. It feels heavy, it drives heavy, it looks big, and the whole story with Miata is that it's not like that.
26:06 Speaker 03 I also worry a little bit about manual transmission, which I think they have to do.
26:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:11 Speaker 03 Honda has done it. There have been Honda hybrids that have a manual, but that's the only one.
26:15 Doug DeMuro? No, I did not. The original Insight and-
26:17 Speaker 03 The Civic.
26:18 Doug DeMuro? The original Civic hybrid.
26:19 Speaker 03 And?
26:20 Doug DeMuro? Uh, the CR-Z.
26:21 Speaker 03 Yep.
26:21 Doug DeMuro? All had manual transmissions.
26:23 Speaker 03 Huh. So it's doable.
26:24 Doug DeMuro? Offered.
26:25 Speaker 04 Have they done it since, or was this-
26:26 Doug DeMuro? No, but the CR-Z was sold through like 15. It's not, it hasn't been that long, yeah. Uh, I worry about that too. I- We might be in the heyday of the Miata with the ND.
26:37 Speaker 03 I know.
26:37 Doug DeMuro? Like, I don't think that about the Temerario. Like, I think that is, we're still making great Lambos, the Revolto. But those car companies can add hybrid power and get away with the additional weight with that suspension technology and power and all this stuff.
26:51 Speaker 03 Very different.
26:51 Doug DeMuro? The Miata, it's gonna be a lot harder to do. Well, I'm very curious. I think, I hope that, for the Miata people's sake, I honestly hope the ND generation continues on for quite a bit longer, because I have a suspicion there's dark clouds ahead.
27:03 Speaker 03 I also do think, I mean, they're basically saying, we have prototypes of the NE, but there's a lot of work still to do. There'll be an ND Miata for a while yet to come.
27:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
27:13 Speaker 03 It's been a long run, it came out in 2014. 2014, so we're already 11, 12 years in, there'll be more.
27:19 Doug DeMuro? I'm excited for the NJ, the New Jersey Miata.
27:21 Speaker 03 Do you want to say anything about it?
27:23 Doug DeMuro? Do you want to say anything about it?
27:26 Speaker 03 No.
27:27 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
27:27 Speaker 03 I plead the fifth.
27:28 Doug DeMuro? All right, uh, Miata, okay, what else we got?
27:31 Speaker 03 Ooh.
27:32 Doug DeMuro? All right.
27:33 Speaker 03 Apparently, BMW is not gonna make new manual transmissions. That's not saying that the cars are going away yet, but they won't develop.
27:41 Doug DeMuro? The Doug Predict the Future segment should get on this too, because I've been saying for so long that people should shut up about how the M3 and the M2 look, because it's the last time you're gonna get a straight-six, manual, rear-wheel-drive BMW, and guess what?
27:52 Speaker 03 I will say, what they've said is that they, it's very unlikely that they will develop like a new transmission, like a full new transmission unit. Their argument is, there's not enough demand, they can't find a supplier to build it with the amount of demand that there would be for the new transmission, which is fair, because it's a niche take.
28:09 Doug DeMuro? I guess.
28:11 Speaker 03 And also, as a part of that, the current manual transmission can only, to BMW specifications, handle 405 pound-feet of torque. So no car, they won't offer it, in theory, in cars that make more than 405 pound-feet of torque.
28:24 Doug DeMuro? The current M3 makes up to 480 pound-feet of, oh, but that's the auto version. It's the, the manual is the base one that's for 406. Folks, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna give you a top tip. If you want to have a very valuable car someday, you go pick up a new M3 stick in one of those weird colors, you bring it home, and you never once drive it. And in 30 years, that car will be worth about 15% of what you could have made in an index fund.
28:51 Speaker 03 You're right, I'm sorry, it's 406 M3, then 2CS, also 406.
28:56 Doug DeMuro? That's all it can take. Don't tune your BMWs, folks. The transmissions can only take 406 pound-feet, not a penny more.
29:04 Speaker 03 Obviously, that's to BMW's own desires for reliability, etc. But yeah.
29:07 Speaker 04 Which are known to be very stringent.
29:10 Speaker 03 Do you hear about BMW transmissions?
29:11 Doug DeMuro? How about the fact that their trans goes up to the exact amount of torque? Like, oh, boy, I hope we didn't get one that's tuned a little more from the factory. The trans will blow.
29:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:20 Doug DeMuro? Um, I'm not surprised to hear this. The manual transmission is dying. It is whimpering.
29:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:26 Doug DeMuro? It is, it is, it is casting its last breath, which is why the Ford GT remains brilliant.
29:32 Speaker 03 Greatest car ever made.
29:33 Doug DeMuro? Really?
29:33 Speaker 03 No.
29:34 Doug DeMuro? What do you think's the greatest car ever made?
29:35 Speaker 03 I don't know. I don't have an answer to that.
29:37 Doug DeMuro? Honda Accord, do you think? 05 Accord Hybrid?
29:40 Speaker 03 There's always improvements.
29:41 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow.
29:42 Speaker 03 To the 05 Accord Hybrid.
29:43 Doug DeMuro? CarPlay.
29:44 Speaker 03 CarPlay.
29:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Uh, well, this isn't surprising. Nick, your thoughts on the death of the manual transmission BMWs?
29:49 Speaker 04 I mean, very predictable, to use your nomenclature there. I mean, we saw this coming. It's weird, this whole segment, we've been, EVs are going away, then another car's getting EV'd, and then the manual transmission's going away, then the Ferrari should come up with a manual. Everything's all over the board.
30:04 Doug DeMuro? There's a weird state of flux in the industry right now, and I think it's hard for the automakers to see what's gonna happen. I do think that of all the manual transmission brands out there who are still doing it, which is like Porsche, Subaru, Mazda, BMW, BMW's probably the least, the one that needs it the least. They could sell these M3s with automatics.
30:21 Speaker 03 They do.
30:21 Doug DeMuro? They sell a ton of them.
30:22 Speaker 03 Every competition, which most of them fundamentally are.
30:24 Doug DeMuro? They sell a ton of them, and I think they would do just as well if it was auto-only. The C8 Corvette proved that, and many other cars.
30:32 Speaker 03 That's an interesting take.
30:33 Doug DeMuro? C8 Corvette.
30:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, good car. It's interesting, right? Like, it feels like EVs have pushed every automaker to innovate on power and speed, including for their automatic and gas-powered cars. Where like, the race is one of, how much horsepower can we put in this car? Can we cross 700? Can we cross 800? Can we cross 1,000 if you're Lamborghini? Like, that's the race, and it's not a surprise that without a lot of development work, the manuals can't support that.
31:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, and there's a new generation of people coming up who aren't as attached to manuals as us.
31:04 Speaker 03 They want the sensation of speed.
31:06 Doug DeMuro? They want the sensation of speed.
31:07 Speaker 03 Maybe they just buy an EV at that point.
31:08 Doug DeMuro? That's why at some point, you gotta ditch the Ford GT. You gotta be like, I'm out. You gotta sell it at the absolute market peak.
31:13 Speaker 03 You gotta go to the new Ford GT, which will be at the bottom.
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32:36 Doug DeMuro? I got a little Corvette ZR1X trivia for you.
32:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, I want to hear it.
32:39 Doug DeMuro? I got the ZR1X over at my house, sir. Can't say anything about it, it's under embargo. Oh, no, wait. The embargo is like the moment this pod really... It's great, everybody!
32:47 Speaker 04 No, okay, so...
32:49 Doug DeMuro? What is embargo, actually? I think it's Friday. I am. It's that one we lost. We lost a little bit too early.
32:54 Speaker 04 Okay. Here's something for you. The ZR1X, 0.16, 1.67 seconds, 1,250 horsepower, 8.67 quarter mile, the fastest thing in the world. Take a guess what the visual distinction is from the regular ZR1.
33:09 Speaker 03 I've seen the car.
33:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, same. I, I know.
33:12 Speaker 03 Okay, what is it?
33:13 Speaker 04 Big wing.
33:14 Speaker 03 Okay, that's his. What do you think it is? I think that the, the front trunk, hood, whatever, has slightly deeper like airflow. Do you think only the front trunk is the only distinction between the ZR1 and the craziest thing ever? Yeah, kinda.
33:28 Doug DeMuro? The correct answer is the badge. Exterior is exactly the same.
33:31 Speaker 03 The wing is the same as the right.
33:32 Speaker 04 That's a big wing, yeah.
33:35 Speaker 03 With ZTK.
33:35 Doug DeMuro? Otherwise, literally identical on the outside. Isn't that hilarious?
33:39 Speaker 03 What is Chevrolet doing?
33:40 Doug DeMuro? Well, because I think there's gonna be an even Corvette here Corvette coming.
33:43 Speaker 03 You can make the ZR1X a little bit visually.
33:45 Doug DeMuro? I was surprised, but I think they've got a pretty tight lineup of doing stuff here and there's only so much developed. There's gonna be a Zora, it's gonna have 1500 horsepower and it's gonna make people like you cry and people like you salute the flag.
33:57 Speaker 03 The ZR1X.
33:58 Doug DeMuro? It's X, it's, it's 10.
34:00 Speaker 03 It's a ZR110.
34:02 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I have a theory and it's not substantiated, but I think X stands for all wheel drive. Just like how X stands for all wheel drive in like stupid cars. I think that it's ZR1X, because that's what it is. It's an all wheel drive ZR1.
34:13 Speaker 03 But it's not the E-Ray X.
34:16 Doug DeMuro? No, it's not, but for ZR1, they wanted to keep the ZR1 name because it's really valuable. So, how do you, because it's ZR1, but it's all wheel drive and it's cool, put an X there at the end?
34:26 Speaker 03 Would the luxury version be the ZR1Z?
34:29 Doug DeMuro? Hmm.
34:30 Speaker 03 Like LTZ was the luxury LT.
34:32 Doug DeMuro? Right, um, maybe.
34:35 Speaker 04 I was thinking, the reason they don't, they don't distinguish it visually is because Corvette people love to explain to you why their car is special.
34:43 Speaker 03 But that's only when it's not special.
34:44 Speaker 04 Then that gives them the opportunity to explain it to you.
34:47 Speaker 03 That's only when it's not special. The ZR1X is.
34:49 Speaker 04 It doesn't matter if it's special or not. They want the opportunity, they want their placard to explain.
34:54 Doug DeMuro? That's so true. Ian, by the way, when you pop the hood, there is a plaque under the hood that says ZR1X and it gives all the numbers. And so, and that's the other thing I love to do is pop their hood and, and.
35:03 Speaker 04 And have placards, yes.
35:04 Doug DeMuro? Boom!
35:05 Speaker 03 Is this factually accurate? There's no other visual distinction?
35:07 Doug DeMuro? Literally the badge is the only distinct thing on the outside.
35:10 Speaker 03 Why?
35:11 Doug DeMuro? Well, Filippo, because there's gonna be a Zora. They don't have time. ZR1 came out yesterday. It literally came out yesterday and now ZR1X is coming out tomorrow. They are a bam bam bam shop. By the way, see, I want to give a shout out to the C8 Corvette. You got, the C8 Corvette is the greatest car ever. It is unbelievable. You know what? It came out six years ago. Six years ago and it is still cool and it is still exciting and it is holding its value pretty well and it is still fast. You're still into them.
35:37 Speaker 04 Yeah. No, it's true. As far as American car goes, this is hard to think of a parallel that's been that successful for that long.
35:45 Doug DeMuro? People still think it's cool, like six years.
35:47 Speaker 04 And remember the Corvette for so many years when we were kids was plagued with a terrible reputation of a horrible interior, like a also ran kind of car. And this is still an impressive car and no one says bad things about it.
35:59 Doug DeMuro? No one. No, everybody loved it.
36:00 Speaker 04 Have you driven one? Yeah. You want to drive the 01X later? I rented one on Turo. It was awesome. Yeah, had a lot of fun.
36:06 Doug DeMuro? It's fast. It's so cool.
36:07 Speaker 04 It's too fast. And I was in a base. Yeah.
36:10 Doug DeMuro? I, I, I, I floored it today in the 01X. I can tell this now the embargo's on. I floored it today in the 01X on the freeway and it broke traction going from second to third full throttle at 75. And remember, it's a four-wheel drive car.
36:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
36:24 Doug DeMuro? I, I have it on video. It literally like, I'm like, oh my God. And then as it starts like getting through third, it like gets traction back. Thank God.
36:32 Speaker 03 1250 is a lot of power.
36:33 Doug DeMuro? It's a lot of power. You have a roll on that throttle, I think.
36:36 Speaker 03 What's torque?
36:37 Doug DeMuro? Uh, it's the same as the regular 01830 because the electric motor produces torque at a different peak, you know?
36:43 Speaker 04 The college football athletes that get this, it's gonna end some careers.
36:47 Doug DeMuro? Yes, although I think this car is probably.
36:49 Speaker 04 All-wheel drive helps, I guess.
36:51 Doug DeMuro? A little bit too expensive even for the college football NIL athletes.
36:55 Speaker 03 A regular Corvette with 500 horsepower will do it.
36:58 Doug DeMuro? No, it did. And it has already. There was that guy in the, for, played for the Raiders. Remember who killed that woman?
37:02 Speaker 03 I, I will say, we just sold a CA Corvette today that has 35,000 miles, three accidents. MSRP was 66 and it sold for 48.5.
37:12 Doug DeMuro? I mean, there's no Corvette in history.
37:14 Speaker 03 And 33,000 miles.
37:15 Doug DeMuro? There is no Corvette in history that still has this level of enthusiasm and excitement and interest. And on the subject of this news story, they killed the manual and nobody really seemed to care. The fact that they switched to a mid-engine and that it was so good and so exciting, kind of was enough to do away with all that.
37:29 Speaker 03 Remember when you reviewed it in a Las Vegas strip mall parking lot?
37:32 Doug DeMuro? It was UNLV's campus. Yes, it was behind some dumpsters at UNLV's campus. We got 12 million views.
37:39 Doug DeMuro? And Chevy has never not given me a press car ever again. All right, what do we got?
37:43 Speaker 03 All right, Aston is cutting 20% of their workforce.
37:47 Doug DeMuro? Great.
37:47 Speaker 03 But I will say, this is my only tie into tariffs. The tariff situation changed. We're not gonna talk about it. Let's go.
37:54 Doug DeMuro? Didn't they also say it was in part due to AI?
37:57 Speaker 03 It's in part due to
37:58 Doug DeMuro? I mean, which is whatever executive says.
37:59 Speaker 03 Burning an insane amount of money and having huge debt obligations because they burn an insane amount of money every year for the last forever.
38:05 Doug DeMuro? Aston wants to blame tariffs. Totally fine. I personally would blame the product lineup. The DBX.
38:11 Speaker 03 Also, the UK actually has very favorable tariff situation now, although for a period of time it was not.
38:16 Doug DeMuro? It's sort of favorable. And remember, there's a cap.
38:19 Speaker 03 Actually, and there's a cap, but they're not hitting that.
38:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but it's a, it's for the whole UK and Jaguar Land Rover hits it. Well, Land Rover.
38:27 Speaker 03 They're complaining about tariffs. They're also complaining about the Chinese market being really soft for luxury cars, which it is.
38:33 Doug DeMuro? If Aston would make good product. Here's what I want from Aston. All right. First off, off-road SUV. Come on. Come on. It's like the Lincoln Bronco, which I predicted. You think I'm wrong?
38:46 Speaker 03 A little bit, yeah.
38:48 Doug DeMuro? The problem with Aston is that your line of thinking is the problem, is that it has this reputation and it has to keep the same reputation. It does not succeed. Making just beautiful British cars, it is not a successful thing.
39:00 Speaker 03 Agreed.
39:00 Doug DeMuro? So you gotta go, you gotta think different. What is Aston Martin in the 21st century in 2028? Making a G-Wagon.
39:08 Speaker 03 I don't, maybe that sells.
39:10 Doug DeMuro? Maybe that sells. Have you been to Dubai? All they do is drive around in luxury off-roaders. I want them to go out the Middle East. Yeah. They got all that stuff.
39:19 Speaker 03 Can I get a quick detour to share a little Middle East fact?
39:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:22 Speaker 03 All right, so Lucid, American company, based in Arizona.
39:26 Doug DeMuro? None of that is true.
39:28 Speaker 03 They do have a factory in Arizona and they're considered an American EV company.
39:31 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
39:31 Speaker 03 They have the air and the gravity.
39:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:33 Speaker 03 They're gonna start making a midsize SUV.
39:35 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:35 Speaker 03 They're not gonna, they're gonna first build it in the Middle East and at their factory they have there because they're solely funded and owned by the Saudi Investment Fund.
39:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
39:43 Speaker 03 And then eventually they might bring it to the US.
39:44 Doug DeMuro? They're gonna build an electric vehicle in the Middle East.
39:49 Speaker 03 That's right.
39:49 Doug DeMuro? I will never forget, I went to Dubai, I don't know, 10 years ago. Actually, it was for the launch of the previous Corvette ZR1, if I recall. Uh, and I went to Dubai and um, I rented a car there, you know, at the airport there.
40:01 Speaker 03 Yep.
40:02 Doug DeMuro? And it was a Land Cruiser. That's what you have to do. I didn't really have a choice. And they said to me, sir, you have to bring this back on full. And if you don't bring it back on full, we will charge you a penalty. And they showed me what the penalty was. And I calculated it in my hotel room later, and it turned out the penalty price for fuel was a dollar and 40 cents was the penalty that I would have to pay. Per gallon, yeah. Was the penalty I would have to pay. But nonetheless, I filled it up anyway because fuel was 70 cents. Wow. And they're gonna make an electric SUV. Hopefully it doesn't look like their electric minivan. Yep. On the subject of electric minivans. The Pacifica.
40:38 Speaker 03 Hopefully for lucky.
40:39 Doug DeMuro? You comfortable with this?
40:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, we all thought Chrysler's down to one model, it wasn't looking good. And they showed us wrong. They said, we got a facelift for you, alright?
40:47 Doug DeMuro? It was a redesign.
40:48 Speaker 03 But no, no.
40:49 Speaker 04 It's a facelift.
40:50 Speaker 03 Sorry, if you see any other shots, it is not a facelift.
40:52 Doug DeMuro? Well, maybe, I was thinking that it was wild to put R and D into this vehicle and not make it reliable. So maybe they're gonna both facelift it and make it reliable.
41:00 Speaker 03 I wanna show you the rest of it.
41:00 Doug DeMuro? Ooh.
41:01 Speaker 03 This is just, the rest of it.
41:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:04 Speaker 03 After the A pillar, actually maybe after the grill.
41:06 Doug DeMuro? Is just the same.
41:07 Speaker 03 It's just the same.
41:08 Doug DeMuro? I Googled this the other day, cuz for some reason I was just curious, like, how bad really is the reliability? It's so bad. Like, there's so many threads on every social media site being like, my Pacifica hybrid stranded my family at Disneyland. Wild.
41:22 Speaker 03 But it's so good. I took my hybrid to Phoenix, and then to Northern Arizona, and then home, carried a giant, uh, whatever they're called.
41:31 Doug DeMuro? China cabin.
41:32 Speaker 03 China cabin, thank you.
41:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:33 Speaker 03 Home, it did great. It got better gas mileage than my station wagon.
41:36 Doug DeMuro? Do you wish that it had this front end?
41:38 Speaker 03 Uh, no.
41:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it looks worse.
41:40 Speaker 03 It looks worse, and they changed nothing else.
41:42 Speaker 04 It looks like an import, which is the weird, you know what I mean? It looks like a Hyundai or something.
41:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we were over here, that's, that is kinda true. We were over here, we wanted to buy these things cuz they're American.
41:51 Speaker 03 My favorite part is that these are pretty clearly, like, they're, these are really high quality.
41:57 Speaker 03 Like pictures of like that are supposed to be spy shots.
42:00 Doug DeMuro? They're supposed to be spy shots.
42:00 Speaker 03 Surely they're taken by.
42:02 Doug DeMuro? Released by Chrysler. Here's an interesting factoid for you. You want to know an interesting minivan factoid? After the election where the Trump fellow won, I got all sorts of friends. I got a lot of lib friends. I got all sorts of lib friends. They reached out to me and said, I want to buy a family car, but I want it to be built in America. And I said, well, uh, and they want a minivan. Three different people reached out to me with this exact thing.
42:20 Speaker 03 You have one option.
42:21 Doug DeMuro? And I said, well, there's a problem here because the American minivan is built in Canada and the non-American minivans are built in America. And I think, and I don't know if they have a union link. I said, you gotta make a decision here. And you know what happened?
42:33 Speaker 03 They all bought Sienna's.
42:34 Doug DeMuro? They didn't buy minivans.
42:35 Speaker 03 Hmm.
42:35 Doug DeMuro? All right, let's move on. We gotta talk about cars.
42:37 Speaker 03 No, there's one more.
42:38 Doug DeMuro? Oh, boy.
42:39 Speaker 04 Yes. Cybertruck, they announced that there will be a base model price reduction of 59.9 something.
42:45 Speaker 03 Yep.
42:46 Speaker 04 Basically just under 60K.
42:48 Speaker 03 Yep.
42:48 Speaker 04 They removed some options. However,
42:50 Speaker 03 Hmm.
42:50 Speaker 04 what they say anyways is that the, the reaction has been so favorable that they had to push out some delivery dates and then they're going to be increasing the price come March 1st, which means this reduced price was for nine days.
43:01 Speaker 03 Elon.
43:02 Speaker 04 That you could get it on the configurator for 59.99. It's only going up to like 61, but basically that teaser rate was for nine days to get some press before raising it to 61.
43:11 Speaker 03 Elon tweeted it out and said it for a very limited time and then.
43:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, but he was indeed, I, I've had like shoes go on sale for, for longer periods of time than nine days.
43:20 Doug DeMuro? This one is such a mess. I love it. I actually love it. I love when successful companies are a mess because it proves that you can also be a mess.
43:28 Speaker 03 Right. And by the way, you can just buy any Cybertruck for about 60,000 dollars.
43:31 Doug DeMuro? Oh yeah. I mean, use Cybertrucks. You want to get a Cybertruck for 60? Cars and Bins will help you.
43:36 Speaker 04 What's great is if you buy the base model, no one can tell the difference.
43:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course.
43:40 Speaker 04 Right?
43:40 Speaker 03 It's not true. It is cloth interior, which looks.
43:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, but okay, on, on the road, everyone thinks you're the village idiot regardless of whether you paid 59 or 140.
43:48 Doug DeMuro? But we sell them on Cars and Bins and we love them.
43:51 Speaker 03 Right, right, it's fine. Um, uh, different wheels.
43:55 Doug DeMuro? I was, I was next to one, uh, today and I was thinking about how Phil Chung told us that people yell at him.
44:03 Doug DeMuro? That's good stuff. Alright, we gotta move on to the talk.
44:05 Speaker 03 You don't wanna talk about frunks?
44:06 Doug DeMuro? Frunks.
44:07 Speaker 03 There's so much news.
44:08 Speaker 04 Some hard heading news here.
44:10 Doug DeMuro? This is a big news story, and I wanna clarify something. I wanna stand up for my beloved brand Ford. Ford has made the front trunk in the Mustang Mach-E an option. Although I bet you if you went and bought a Mach-E right now, they'd throw it in for free.
44:22 Speaker 03 How is that working?
44:24 Doug DeMuro? I assume that if you don't get the front trunk option, then it just doesn't come with a liner, and so there's just mechanical components there.
44:30 Speaker 03 Oh, sure, no liner.
44:31 Doug DeMuro? And so it's 500 bucks.
44:32 Speaker 03 Do you sell the latch? You sell the latch?
44:33 Doug DeMuro? Well, sure, because it's, yeah, I mean, this is how all Toyotas, Toyota EVs do not have a front trunk. You have a latch, you open it, and it's mechanical stuff. And the reason for that is, every single press launch I've gone to with an EV, the automakers told me the same thing. 94% of our customers told me they don't use the front trunk.
44:48 Speaker 03 They're missing out.
44:49 Doug DeMuro? The problem, I think, is regulatory. The front trunk is actually hard to access because they're regulatory. You have to get, there's a latch, and then there's a secondary latch, and you have to kinda go under there. Like a trunk in the back, you press a button, it pops open, right?
45:01 Speaker 03 The Rivian trunk, you press button, the key fob, it opens. The Cybertruck trunk.
45:05 Doug DeMuro? For the auto, yeah, but you press the button, the key fob, but then you still have to go under there and do a little.
45:09 Speaker 03 You don't.
45:10 Doug DeMuro? A little.
45:10 Speaker 03 You don't.
45:11 Doug DeMuro? The Rivian's, you don't?
45:11 Speaker 03 Yes, you do not.
45:12 Speaker 04 I was in one over the weekend, and they, my friends kept their baby stroller in the front trunk, and he just did it through the key fob.
45:18 Doug DeMuro? Well, you can do it through the key fob. You don't have to then walk up to the car and unlock.
45:21 Speaker 03 No, just open it automatically.
45:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh, then maybe we're all missing out.
45:24 Speaker 03 I do think that that requires some amount of like sensors, etc., to make sure the car's not moving.
45:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. I mean, the electric ones, like the F-150 Lightning, it's great, but it's expensive. And I assume in a pickup truck, it's a lot more commonly used because it's lockable space.
45:36 Speaker 04 Are they reducing the price?
45:39 Doug DeMuro? I think they are.
45:39 Speaker 04 And taking the option out, or are they just shrinkflationist?
45:42 Doug DeMuro? Some small price reduction, yeah.
45:43 Speaker 04 Then fine.
45:44 Doug DeMuro? But, but also, yeah, especially if.
45:45 Speaker 04 It's like the airlines, alright, just charge me extra if I need the overhead space or what have you.
45:49 Doug DeMuro? Or a bathroom.
45:50 Speaker 04 Spirit Airlines, let's do that.
45:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
45:52 Speaker 04 I only need three wheels.
45:53 Doug DeMuro? If truly 94% of people don't use the front trunk, then it does make sense. Nobody ever uses their full cargo area, except for hoarder cars. You drive around, nobody's using that whole thing.
46:01 Speaker 03 I didn't my front.
46:02 Speaker 04 You know what? I honestly don't even use my trunk very often. I usually just throw stuff in the backseat.
46:06 Doug DeMuro? Kenan would be so mad.
46:07 Speaker 04 I learned from Kenan. Kenan, like, it could be the smallest little item that could easily fit.
46:12 Doug DeMuro? The storage area is for storage.
46:13 Speaker 03 Under the cover so that it doesn't move around.
46:15 Speaker 04 It does make me feel kinda like civilized and fancy to use the trunk now. I'm like, I'm following the procedure.
46:21 Speaker 03 P38 trunks stay up on its own.
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47:31 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, now can we finally move on to the Talk Car segment? Okay, the Talk Car segment is brought to you, uh, by Nick Rochan's YouTube channel.
47:41 Speaker 04 All right.
47:41 Doug DeMuro? Nick Rochan's YouTube channel. Go to NickRochan'sYouTubeChannel.com. You should make sure you buy that ASAP. Yeah. Uh, someone will buy it and make it like a spite site, like, "I hate Nick Rochan." Oh, and Kenan's YouTube channel. Kenan had a video, went to see David Lee. Have you watched that? Uh, I've not yet. You gotta watch it. He went to see David Lee.
48:02 Speaker 04 Doesn't this make you want to start doing vlog style content? Get in on the fun.
48:06 Doug DeMuro? No, I was sitting there thinking, while I was watching Kenan's video, I am so glad that when I go to car shows, I don't have to vlog.
48:12 Doug DeMuro? Um, okay, I want to talk about a bunch of that. I have several things to talk about. One was, I really love the C8 Corvette, which I already worked into the news. Yeah, we did well with that. Good job. Okay, I want to talk about breaking down on a car. The other day I broke down on a car. I'm not gonna say which one, but it's here in the office. We're gonna sell it on Cars and Bids. Good luck! No, we fixed it. Um, but I broke down. And what happened was, I was driving up a hill. Car broke down and I started to roll back down. And, um, this, this became interesting to me because someone honked at me. As if I was doing this for my enjoyment. Like, I have no power and I'm about to have no brakes and about to have no steering and I'm rolling down a hill, you know, with the car up. And someone's honking at me like, "You idiot!" And I'm like,
48:56 Doug DeMuro? and the same thing happened, my Countach broke down a couple of months ago. Uh, when the distributor failed, I also broke down and it was in the left lane of the freeway and I had to quickly get over while I was losing power. And people were honking at me and it's like, "Do you not see what's happening here? This isn't like a guy who's having fun." And it, you know, something hit me that people don't break down in cars anymore. No. And so like there's, probably 35 years ago in either of those situations, the person behind me would have gotten out and, "Hey, what can I do you for? How can I help you?" And instead now they get mad. Cause people, the, the, the, the concept of breaking down. Yeah. Has disappeared completely from like automobiles. Huh. It really has. Yeah. I truly think. Back in the day with carbureted cars and 500 odomers and all this stuff. You would, you would.
49:39 Doug DeMuro? Cars lasted 30,000 miles if you were lucky. Yeah. And you knew how to deal, you know, how to fix a car, you knew how to bump start, you knew how to, all this stuff.
49:48 Speaker 04 That's so bizarre. I had never thought of that. And what's funny is we talk about it.
49:51 Doug DeMuro? You break down a lot.
49:51 Speaker 04 Range anxiety and people worried about running out of juice in the EVs. That never really happens very often either.
49:57 Doug DeMuro? No, it doesn't.
49:58 Speaker 04 Like I don't see Teslas like sitting on the side of the road waiting for a generator.
50:01 Doug DeMuro? That's as often as people run out of gas.
50:03 Speaker 04 Like, well, you know what?
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50:37 Doug DeMuro? But I.
50:37 Speaker 04 It happens.
50:38 Doug DeMuro? It is interesting to me that like the, the response that used to be this, like this thing where you'd, your neighbor, you know, the good Sams, you'd, you'd, you'd pull over and help somebody out if they were, and now like nobody knows how to fix a car. Nobody knows how to do anything. It's all computers. And the concept of like someone breaking down is so foreign to most people. It really is. Like you. Fascinating. No, I don't.
50:58 Speaker 04 When was the last time you broke down on the side of the road?
51:01 Doug DeMuro? Me it was last week.
51:03 Speaker 03 I have never broken outside of the road.
51:04 Doug DeMuro? Oh, is that true? Wow, you need it, you need, you need a headache.
51:08 Speaker 04 That F-250 is coming soon. There's no way that doesn't have some issues.
51:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'll break that.
51:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, for sure. I'm so pumped for that for you.
51:17 Speaker 03 That's not true. I had an X5 in North Carolina with stick and the brake lines broke while I was away from my home. So I had to drive home with no, using the handbrake as my brake. Which worked if you pulled enough.
51:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:29 Speaker 03 It's like a mechanical linkage. Yeah.
51:31 Doug DeMuro? What'd you do then? You'd like do a brake job?
51:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, then I drove it to the place to.
51:34 Doug DeMuro? Oh, you drove it to a place.
51:36 Speaker 03 Uh, and then that car broke down a couple of times. But I was close to home.
51:39 Doug DeMuro? Your Kia Spectra, which you bought for a dollar and then drove to New Hampshire.
51:42 Speaker 03 Never broke down.
51:43 Doug DeMuro? It never broke down until we ran over it with a Land Rover.
51:46 Speaker 03 There was a slight issue where the battery leads would disconnect a little bit and then the car would shut off.
51:50 Doug DeMuro? It would shut off while you were driving.
51:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, and that was a problem when it was on the 676 across Philadelphia during rush hour. But you know.
51:56 Doug DeMuro? That happened on the 676?
51:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, and we were moving and then the car.
51:59 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god.
52:01 Speaker 03 And then you stop and you hope nobody hits you.
52:03 Doug DeMuro? But it's filling.
52:03 Speaker 03 And then you shake the battery leads and you're good.
52:05 Doug DeMuro? The one place people are used to cars breaking down is Philly. Cars still break down in Philly. Um, okay, that's that. Uh, Nick, the Multiplus.
52:14 Speaker 04 It is sold and it is on its way to the East Coast. The buyer paid, so you, you were wrong that someone would chicken out.
52:22 Doug DeMuro? Well, I thought they would chicken out at whatever crazy number you thought it was gonna sell for. I knew it was gonna sell for that. I still think it's high.
52:29 Speaker 03 It's not. It's such a good car.
52:30 Doug DeMuro? Disappointed in it or have you not heard from it yet?
52:31 Speaker 04 He has not received it yet, so.
52:33 Doug DeMuro? Good.
52:33 Speaker 04 But.
52:34 Speaker 03 He's gonna love it. It's such a cool car.
52:35 Speaker 04 He owns a K car, or actually two K cars, so he.
52:38 Speaker 03 Oh, he's a bit spacious.
52:39 Speaker 04 He's committed to that life, you know?
52:41 Doug DeMuro? Bad stuff.
52:42 Speaker 03 I love the Multiplus so much.
52:44 Speaker 04 It is gone. I was immediately, at first I was mad at you because you trash talked the car right before the auction ended.
52:50 Speaker 03 Yep.
52:51 Speaker 04 But I did reflect on it more. So I paid $7,000 for it in Europe.
52:55 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
52:56 Speaker 04 And then I paid a lot to ship it and get it here, but basically I paid seven for it. I sold it for 10. I did great on the car.
53:02 Doug DeMuro? You did great on the car.
53:04 Speaker 04 That is the math that I'm sticking with in my head.
53:06 Speaker 03 Let me ask you a question. We lost money in the A2, too.
53:08 Doug DeMuro? Let me ask you a question. How much, uh, did you spend on power steering fluid, both in the engine compartment and in bottles in the car?
53:17 Speaker 04 I don't really count fluids towards the TCO.
53:20 Doug DeMuro? No fluids.
53:22 Speaker 03 Power steering fluid's pretty cheap.
53:24 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but that car, anytime you would run it, would dump all of it, pretty much.
53:28 Speaker 04 It got great miles per gallon, so it kinda washes. Keep topping up. I did tell the new owner, Anthony, I said, I topped it up before it got on the truck, but.
53:37 Speaker 03 So why?
53:38 Doug DeMuro? But you might wanna completely refill it when it arrives.
53:41 Speaker 03 On the truck?
53:42 Speaker 04 I don't know.
53:42 Speaker 03 Oh, poor, that poor car.
53:43 Doug DeMuro? Hopefully nothing.
53:44 Speaker 04 That poor car.
53:46 Speaker 03 I spent a long time cleaning power steering fluid from our floor.
53:48 Speaker 04 I apologize.
53:49 Doug DeMuro? From what car?
53:50 Speaker 03 From the floor.
53:51 Speaker 04 From the floor.
53:51 Doug DeMuro? The floor was really bad.
53:52 Speaker 03 The Audi A2 sold for $900.
53:54 Doug DeMuro? The guy who bought the A2 also was the guy who had my A-Class, and he even was the guy who had my A-Class when it got hit and destroyed. It was parked in front of his house when it got hit and destroyed, which obviously was a great thing. Not for him, I guess. I don't know.
54:07 Doug DeMuro? He's got real cars, and he's got these things. And he texted me, and he said, "The A2 has been great. It's so much better than the A-Class." And I'm like, "That's a low bar."
54:14 Speaker 03 No, but it is better. We agree.
54:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah.
54:16 Speaker 03 It's way quieter.
54:17 Doug DeMuro? But I mean.
54:18 Speaker 03 He and his family flew down from the bay and drove up.
54:21 Doug DeMuro? A lot of stuff's better than the A-Class, like an Elantra base.
54:26 Speaker 03 Yep.
54:26 Doug DeMuro? Hyundai I-10.
54:28 Speaker 03 No.
54:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
54:30 Speaker 04 Q4 sportback?
54:31 Doug DeMuro? Uh, nah.
54:32 Speaker 04 Q4 sportback is better than anything.
54:34 Speaker 03 What I love is I've saw so many Instagram photos of the A2 from car shows in the bay, and the first day he had it.
54:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
54:40 Speaker 03 And that's probably more content than the content we produce with the car that we bought.
54:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, well, we got it here, and one of the things we discovered when we got it here, and I'm only now disclosing this to the next owner, uh, is that it sucks.
54:53 Speaker 03 No, it's a good car of that type.
54:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it is a good car of that type.
54:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:58 Speaker 04 The two things I learned, one, I want to emphasize again that I won. I sold it for the most money of the three cars.
55:04 Doug DeMuro? It was $100 more.
55:05 Speaker 04 Winning's winning.
55:07 Doug DeMuro? You know what?
55:07 Speaker 04 It could be by an inch or a mile.
55:09 Doug DeMuro? I think we're all winners, because the cars are all gone, although I noticed the Fiat is still over there.
55:12 Speaker 03 The Fiat is, the buyers in Arizona, they have paid for it through Cars and Bits Safe Pay. Just, they've been out of town, and like had like a work trip, and so they're getting it picked up.
55:20 Doug DeMuro? And imagine coming home from vacation, do that car.
55:23 Speaker 03 It's such a good car. It's so lovely.
55:25 Doug DeMuro? Great.
55:25 Speaker 03 It's so lovely. And by the way, it sold for less than Simone.
55:29 Speaker 04 The Doug prediction that also came true. You predicted that I would be off that car immediately. And it would change how I looked at cars forever. And that is true. I am off of BS cars. That was not worth the effort nor money. No offense Anthony, enjoy it.
55:45 Doug DeMuro? No, I love it. I love that.
55:46 Speaker 04 Well Anthony didn't pay as much as you did. My new rule is I'm not considering anything less than eight cylinders and less than 400 horsepower. Yep. Which I realize means no 911s. Other than like, no, all of them are, I guess a Cayenne I could do. But that's about it.
56:01 Doug DeMuro? You get a Craggy T. You get a 928. The thing is. 968? 928. 928. I don't think those ever hit 400 horsepower. No. Maybe a GTS with a little tune. The thing is, so this is it. You're just done.
56:12 Speaker 04 I'm done. I'm off cars.
56:14 Doug DeMuro? Wow. I'm sorry, your P38 doesn't have 400 horsepower? This is big!
56:18 Speaker 04 It has eight cylinders. It can be either or.
56:20 Doug DeMuro? Oh, okay. Got it. This is big. You're off cars.
56:23 Speaker 04 I'm off BS cars. I only want serious cars that are like enjoyable to own. So if I lose money, at least I can say, at least I enjoyed the experience.
56:32 Doug DeMuro? I gotta tell you. It's interesting because once again, you discover something after I've already discovered it.
56:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, I know. I'm giving you this credit.
56:41 Doug DeMuro? Um, Nick went through what I went through in 2013, 14 in my life where I bought a bunch of cars that I always wanted and realized that they weren't really all that great. You've got that out of your system and you lost money on most of them and realized it's not worth losing money on dumb stuff.
56:54 Speaker 04 I went through all on my YouTube channel, all the costs I incurred. Not doing the ridiculous car guy math, but the actual cost. Truth is I only lost about $1,400 all in if I count like the YouTube content. Yeah, but still not worth, more the time that I wasted on this. Like we spent months looking for one.
57:11 Doug DeMuro? We drove to Long Beach, it broke down a bunch of times.
57:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, which I thought like, oh, this would be an adventure. Like, no, I was driving a 105 horsepower diesel all over California. Like why?
57:23 Doug DeMuro? It was cool for a minute. I'm still. I drove it one time and a guy in an E46M3 gave me a thumbs up.
57:27 Speaker 04 Nice.
57:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
57:29 Speaker 04 It was nice to have Felipe's respect for a little while. Otherwise.
57:33 Doug DeMuro? There is something unfortunate that happens because we love the cheap stuff and we love the Facebook Marketplace stuff. Although cars and business where you buy your.
57:41 Speaker 03 There is something that happens someday where you realize like I've got too much going on and I'm sick of dealing with dumb stuff. I want, if I'm gonna do the car hobby, I want it to be cars that really count. I don't mind breaking down on my Countach. If I had broken down on the A2, I would have cursed the whole world.
57:57 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:58 Speaker 03 It's just not worth it to me.
57:59 Speaker 04 The other thing that it's making me question is, I was big on the, I want to hold cars as short as possible so that I can experience as money. It takes about six months to dial in a car.
58:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:08 Speaker 04 And then you're letting it go.
58:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:10 Speaker 04 If you can keep a car for like two years, like that first six months is gonna suck while you get it dialed in.
58:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:15 Speaker 04 And then you're gonna really enjoy it.
58:16 Speaker 03 Yep.
58:16 Speaker 04 So I, I need to find a car that I want to hold longer.
58:18 Speaker 03 So you're doing holds. Interesting.
58:20 Speaker 04 I'm not gonna like hold them forever. We're not gonna open a barn full of cars, but I don't think the multipliers have any space.
58:27 Speaker 03 Are you, given that you following my footsteps once again?
58:31 Speaker 04 Ford GT next.
58:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. So Countach, Ford GT, you want a 993 twin turbo? I'm thinking about selling.
58:37 Speaker 04 No, I'm good on that one. I, I want a Diablo, which would continue my tradition of getting the next generation after years.
58:43 Speaker 03 Uh, right. I did own the Range Rover that came after your Range Rover.
58:47 Speaker 04 But you also, you had an RRC.
58:49 Speaker 03 I had RRC for like six months. I owned a P, an L322 for like nine years.
58:53 Speaker 04 I'll get a 405 later, but.
58:56 Speaker 03 You won't.
58:56 Speaker 04 You should.
58:57 Speaker 03 Uh, okay.
58:58 Speaker 04 They're cheap.
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1:00:23 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk about, Filippo has some top cars on here. I want to talk about the Mazda CX-5 screen for a second. Do you see this?
1:00:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, there's a screen. There's no more knob.
1:00:30 Doug DeMuro? I posted my video of the CX-5, and the comments are all, "The screen ruined it. When is Mazda gonna learn buyers don't want the screen? Nobody wants the screen. The screen destroyed the whole car. Nobody wants a screen." The screen is, this is every comment. And I gotta tell you, folks, here's what I've learned. People want the screen. You've been in a Tesla? All of these modern cars have screens. And no matter how much internet people, who buy used cars and are not the market for this family small crossover, complain, screens are what people want in 2026. They're used to a screen on their phone. They're used to a screen on their iPad. They want screens. And Mazda had this horrible knob thing. The interface is a disaster.
1:01:15 Doug DeMuro? One of the comments that I took particular offense to, some guy was like, "Mazda buyers don't want screens." And it's like, maybe they don't. But Mazda wants to sell this car to more people than just Mazda. They're really hoping to get back some of that market share they've been losing for the last 15 years.
1:01:28 Speaker 03 Also, every Mazda person complained bitterly about the fact that you needed to use that knob, and that the screen would turn, like you couldn't use a touchscreen.
1:01:36 Doug DeMuro? I agree that screens are not the best situation for everything, but you don't understand how many functions vehicles have. If you didn't have screens, there would be so many buttons, it'd be impossible. I think that there's a good medium of screen and non-screen, of like screen and climate controller screen and a few buttons. But most things should be integrated into a screen. And that, and I know that this is not gonna go over well with our car enthusiast audience, but that is what actual consumer human beings. Want to purchase who are buying new cars with their own money. And that is the thing that automakers care about.
1:02:07 Speaker 03 Is there climate control? I see the defrost.
1:02:10 Doug DeMuro? In this particular car, they did take it a little too far and the climate control. There are physical buttons for defrost and defog, but for heat like heated seat is three steps. You gotta tap a thing, tap heated seat, then do a slider. It's a little too much, but it's not much too much. Like this is how it is. Most cars now you open the glove box with a screen. The glove box, Filippo. And then eventually. Corvette, though, it's got a button.
1:02:32 Speaker 03 Does it?
1:02:32 Doug DeMuro? Hell, yeah. A C8, man, if there was a stick C8, if that's ZR1X that I just drove.
1:02:39 Speaker 03 That would not be a good situation. 1250 horsepower is too many horsepower.
1:02:43 Doug DeMuro? No.
1:02:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, manuals can't handle over 406.
1:02:45 Doug DeMuro? Only for BMW, to be clear. Anyway, I can't wait to get flamed in the comments for this take, but I want to, I'm going to continue repeating it because the automakers are not trying to sell the cars to the used car enthusiast, nameless anonymous internet commenters. They're trying to sell new cars to people who are used to using their cell phones.
1:03:04 Speaker 04 And no offense, they're not just nameless internet commenters, they're YouTube commenters. Which is a particular kind of internet commenter that is not better than the general.
1:03:13 Doug DeMuro? I did realize the YouTube commenter age, Felipe's on his phone.
1:03:16 Speaker 03 No, I'm probably.
1:03:19 Doug DeMuro? You're what?
1:03:19 Speaker 03 Don't worry about it.
1:03:20 Doug DeMuro? I did realize the YouTube commenter age, there was some video a couple of months ago where I was like, and I wanted to have one of these. And I had it for six, seven years and the six, seven thing. And like all the comments were like six, seven, six, seven. And I was like, oh, this is the age of YouTube commenters. This makes sense because I myself have never had the urge to comment on a YouTube video. So now I know who's doing it. It's 13 year old.
1:03:40 Speaker 04 The guy that was commenting that I hope your BECM module fails in your Range Rover. He then posted on Reddit saying, look, he's listening to me. And I made him a point. And then all the people started coming in my next video saying, I hope your SOS module fails. And I'm just like, but that's the type of maturity you get from a YouTube commenter. Like no R and D department at Mazda or any manufacturer should be using YouTube comments for their, their user research.
1:04:03 Doug DeMuro? Absolutely not. That's the CX5 screen situation. Felipe, you got anything else?
1:04:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, I want to talk about the NSX that we sold alongside our friend at Coinbase. That sold for 8,567. The buyer, Harris, picked it up a couple of weeks ago.
1:04:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:04:15 Speaker 03 And he just other day sent me pictures of the rest of his cars.
1:04:18 Doug DeMuro? Oh, we're gonna put them up?
1:04:19 Speaker 03 Well, well, well, we'll put them up.
1:04:20 Doug DeMuro? He's got a lot of cool stuff.
1:04:21 Speaker 03 I'll show you guys in the meantime.
1:04:23 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
1:04:23 Speaker 03 Evo 6, Raikkonen, RX7.
1:04:25 Doug DeMuro? Z31.
1:04:26 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:04:26 Doug DeMuro? Yup. RX7.
1:04:28 Speaker 03 Uh, that's in the back of it. There's a Sharknado 6 series.
1:04:31 Doug DeMuro? Sharknado's got a Viper up there?
1:04:32 Speaker 03 Uh, there is a Viper. There is a Bu Viper.
1:04:35 Doug DeMuro? Hard to tell from the angle.
1:04:37 Speaker 03 There is like a Gen 2 Viper. There's a Gen 1 Viper. There's a lot of great stuff.
1:04:42 Doug DeMuro? Are they all mailed up?
1:04:42 Speaker 03 Isn't, no. They're all generally nice. Uh, so this is in very good hands.
1:04:47 Doug DeMuro? Good. It is nice when it goes, I honestly felt the multiple going to a K car owner was like the right person. So it also was good on his phone here.
1:04:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'll take that right back now. Uh, but it basically, it is joining, uh, incredible.
1:05:00 Doug DeMuro? The people who buy the cars are right for the cars.
1:05:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. You know, like in the end.
1:05:04 Speaker 04 They're enthusiasts.
1:05:04 Doug DeMuro? And, and us are not right for the cars. The cars that we hold are the ones that we're right for.
1:05:09 Speaker 03 Right.
1:05:09 Doug DeMuro? The cars that we move on instantly.
1:05:11 Speaker 04 It's survivor's bias, right? Survivorship bias?
1:05:13 Doug DeMuro? Something like that, but not really.
1:05:14 Speaker 03 Speaking of cars that's excellent, it's a station wagon. I just wanted to say that.
1:05:17 Doug DeMuro? Your Mercedes station wagon?
1:05:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, my, my, my family was visiting, so we had two kids, four adults in the car at pretty much all times for a week straight. Went to the beach, had beach chairs, rear facing third row. It just does everything beautifully.
1:05:30 Doug DeMuro? Yup.
1:05:31 Speaker 03 Everything.
1:05:31 Speaker 04 This is, this is a E-Class wagon podcast.
1:05:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, now that you own one, we're in a good spot.
1:05:36 Doug DeMuro? We all do. We all have E-Class station wagons of various different ages. Mine is of course newer and better than yours, as I'm sure you're used to.
1:05:42 Speaker 04 Well, better is, is it, how, how many horsepower?
1:05:44 Doug DeMuro? Uh, let's run them. Let's run them.
1:05:46 Speaker 04 Alright, let's do it.
1:05:48 Doug DeMuro? I'm serious.
1:05:49 Speaker 04 I still haven't driven mine, but.
1:05:51 Doug DeMuro? Your car's got 205,000 miles and whatever else it's got.
1:05:55 Speaker 04 A Ren-Tec tune.
1:05:57 Doug DeMuro? It doesn't have that yet, does it?
1:05:58 Speaker 04 They had it from the previous owner.
1:06:00 Doug DeMuro? Any, uh, updates on that whole situation?
1:06:02 Speaker 04 Uh, no, we fixed a check engine light.
1:06:04 Doug DeMuro? Nice.
1:06:05 Speaker 04 Turns out two wires were plugged in wrong and you just flip them.
1:06:09 Speaker 03 And then it's getting manual swap, right?
1:06:11 Speaker 04 It does also need the Aromatic suspension redone.
1:06:13 Speaker 03 Oh, yep. They do that.
1:06:16 Speaker 04 Other than that, it's great.
1:06:16 Speaker 03 How much is that?
1:06:17 Speaker 04 I don't know. Cameron's on vacation at DC Motorworks. He's gonna.
1:06:21 Speaker 03 You gonna do it or are you gonna do coils?
1:06:23 Speaker 04 I don't know. He's gonna give me an estimate.
1:06:25 Doug DeMuro? Is it rear only?
1:06:26 Speaker 04 I don't know if the whole suspension needs redone, or if it's just a minor fault.
1:06:29 Speaker 03 It depends on what's wrong, but it's not a hard thing.
1:06:31 Speaker 04 It's a fault code, so it could be minor.
1:06:33 Doug DeMuro? No, it's broken.
1:06:34 Speaker 03 I did learn, because we obviously had a human in the trunk of the station wagon, in and out and out, and the rear is air suspension, which it is in this and on yours.
1:06:44 Doug DeMuro? Mine's got four-wheelers.
1:06:45 Speaker 03 Does it really?
1:06:46 Doug DeMuro? Dude, I'm next level.
1:06:47 Speaker 03 You don't even have massage seats, man.
1:06:49 Doug DeMuro? I know.
1:06:50 Speaker 03 You didn't have cooled seats, I don't think.
1:06:51 Doug DeMuro? I do. It was hard to find.
1:06:52 Speaker 03 Well, I got both.
1:06:54 Speaker 04 I got heated rears. You got heated rears?
1:06:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course. You don't understand my car.
1:06:59 Doug DeMuro? They got a white interior.
1:07:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's a problem. Regardless, I could hear the pump for the rear suspension making some noise.
1:07:07 Speaker 04 Well, it is supposed to make some noise.
1:07:09 Speaker 03 No.
1:07:10 Speaker 04 Is this your car?
1:07:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's my car.
1:07:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, I thought yours was just brown.
1:07:12 Doug DeMuro? It is brown.
1:07:13 Speaker 04 It's hard to show up brown. It really almost always shows.
1:07:16 Speaker 03 Moka Black, is what it's called.
1:07:17 Doug DeMuro? E-Class station wagon is the best car in the world.
1:07:19 Speaker 03 Best car in the world.
1:07:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Love mine dearly, and will always have it, or one like it. Which is why, by the way, I am looking for a 2001 or 2000 E55 wagon with a third row. The ones on mobile.de that you keep sending to Sean, we've seen, they don't have third rows. If you have a third row, 2000 or 2001, that's a facelift, W210 E55 wagon, silver, with a third row, there's a bunch of these out there. You send an email to [email protected] . [email protected] . I need this car, folks. The time is ticking.
1:07:54 Speaker 03 And ideally not converted to LPG. Not the Walorons are one.
1:07:57 Doug DeMuro? Not the Walorons are one. We've seen all the cars on mobile.de. They don't have a third row. Do not send it to us unless there are seat belts in that back. And I'm not talking about the second row, folks. I'm talking about the third. Let's move on to market report really quickly and talk to GTI, and then we gotta do questions. Questions of best ever this week. Best ever, same in my life. Now, get ready. G30, Nick, did you see this?
1:08:18 Speaker 04 I, just right before we started the show.
1:08:20 Doug DeMuro? We wanted to talk today on the market report about how GTRs are not declining in value and cannot decline in value.
1:08:26 Speaker 04 That's a 13 we're looking at.
1:08:28 Speaker 03 This has to be more than MSRP was.
1:08:29 Doug DeMuro? This car is 13 years old, it had 31,000 miles, which is low, but not like a...
1:08:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, nothing.
1:08:34 Doug DeMuro? No, this is a black, yeah. But still, it was a 107 sticker 13 years ago.
1:08:39 Speaker 04 On a Nissan.
1:08:40 Doug DeMuro? Obama was president.
1:08:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:08:42 Doug DeMuro? Obama, he had just beaten Mitt Romney. You remember that? Do you even remember that? Binders full of women?
1:08:49 Speaker 03 I do. The dog on the roof. Hot dogs, my favorite food.
1:08:53 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. Here we are, all these years later, and this car is still bringing all the money. The GTR market is crazy.
1:09:00 Speaker 03 Flat.
1:09:01 Doug DeMuro? Flat. Buy one of these, enjoy it for a little while, sell it. You ever want one of these?
1:09:05 Speaker 04 I have, actually.
1:09:06 Doug DeMuro? Why don't you have one of these?
1:09:08 Speaker 04 Maybe it'll happen.
1:09:09 Speaker 03 They're fast, it's got the power.
1:09:10 Speaker 04 It does have the V8, but it does surpass 400 horsepower by far.
1:09:13 Doug DeMuro? Have you ever driven one of these?
1:09:14 Speaker 04 No.
1:09:14 Doug DeMuro? They are fast.
1:09:15 Speaker 04 Yeah. A lot of people turn them into like track toys and stuff too, but...
1:09:20 Doug DeMuro? And drag cars.
1:09:21 Speaker 04 And I think they look good. They're aging nicely.
1:09:23 Doug DeMuro? They're aging nicely.
1:09:24 Speaker 03 Performance modifications. 630 liter power.
1:09:27 Speaker 04 That's like the one.
1:09:27 Speaker 03 Modification, does?
1:09:29 Doug DeMuro? No, this one.
1:09:30 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:09:31 Doug DeMuro? I just love a good GT.
1:09:34 Speaker 04 The main reason I haven't bought one, Filippo, is because I wait till they get cheap and I'm still waiting.
1:09:38 Doug DeMuro? And they don't get cheap.
1:09:39 Speaker 04 I'm waiting forever.
1:09:40 Doug DeMuro? Although, to your point about not wanting to lose money in BS cars anymore, here's a car you don't lose money in.
1:09:45 Speaker 04 Perhaps, yeah.
1:09:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. You do a little Montana, you know what I'm saying?
1:09:50 Speaker 04 Would never do that. I'm an upstanding citizen.
1:09:53 Doug DeMuro? That's your market report.
1:09:55 Speaker 04 I would just leave the price blank on the back of the bill of sale.
1:09:57 Speaker 03 We're gonna stop talking.
1:09:59 Doug DeMuro? Let the state figure out the rest. I want to move on to the question.
1:10:02 Speaker 04 Nissan, what's it worth? 500 bucks?
1:10:04 Doug DeMuro? Right, a 2013 Nissan. Every other 2013 Nissan is worth $8,100 max.
1:10:10 Doug DeMuro? I want to move on to the market report, to the questions which are brought to you by Nick's Nose. You may have seen that Nick's Nose, there was an incident. It happened because of a paint can.
1:10:18 Speaker 04 What was the, the paint roller?
1:10:21 Doug DeMuro? Paint roller.
1:10:21 Speaker 04 It wouldn't come off and I, like that.
1:10:23 Doug DeMuro? Nick hurt himself on a paint roller, folks. This is a bigger travesty than Ryan Lopez's air conditioning.
1:10:30 Speaker 04 It's fixed, we, we've heard it's fixed.
1:10:32 Doug DeMuro? The air conditioning, one, one door closes and another paint roller hits you in the face.
1:10:37 Speaker 04 It does.
1:10:38 Doug DeMuro? I tell ya.
1:10:38 Speaker 04 What were you painting? A fence. See, I'm, people try to make me out to be this like, west coast elitist. I paint my own fence, alright?
1:10:48 Doug DeMuro? You were not painting a fence.
1:10:49 Speaker 04 I, I got pictures, I did it with my son Ryder. But yeah, our fence fell over in the, in a big windstorm. We had it rebuilt and then I, but I didn't pay extra for the painting because I can do paint. And then I started bleeding, I had white paint and blood coming down my face. And we were supposed to be somewhere at three and this was like 2:55. And I'm like, honey, I need like 10 minutes to get ready. And then I showed up, I, only Band-Aid I could find was a Paw Patrol one. So I showed up to this play day with a Paw Patrol like Nelly style face bandage.
1:11:20 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god, this is so on brand. You are a west coast elitist, by the way.
1:11:25 Speaker 04 I am not.
1:11:26 Doug DeMuro? You, Nick?
1:11:27 Speaker 04 I hail from Ohio.
1:11:28 Doug DeMuro? I know, but you, you grew up on, with, with 16 watercraft.
1:11:34 Speaker 04 13 watercraft. I grew up in a town of 30,000 people in Ohio.
1:11:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but everybody knew your family, they were the rich guys who had all the watercraft. Whenever, whenever a boat would crash over on the lake, they'd say, I bet it was one of Nick's people.
1:11:45 Speaker 04 This is coming from the Mr. Mr. Denver here, the, the big, big fancy Denver people.
1:11:50 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid, when I was a kid, my, I'll never forget this. We test drove a Jeep Cherokee.
1:11:57 Speaker 04 Wow.
1:11:58 Doug DeMuro? And my parent, an XJ. And my parents couldn't afford to buy that Jeep Cherokee. It didn't, I remember sitting in the back on the test drive, there I was into cars, they brought me along, I was five years old. Brought me on the test drive, is before car seats were required for people over one. And I remember it didn't have rear, uh, headrests. We couldn't even afford a car with rear headrests, Nick, we were impoverished.
1:12:18 Speaker 04 Well.
1:12:19 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, all the personal watercraft must have been nice though, I'm sure you had a lot of headrests on that. Uh, let's see.
1:12:26 Speaker 03 Actually sat on a cooler for one of those.
1:12:29 Doug DeMuro? Oh, one of the boats only had seven seats. So when they were doing a big party, they'd just sit on a cooler, which of course was full of champagne. And caviar. Uh, the questions are great this week. And if you want to ask us a question, you go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab, and then, and then somewhere, Flippo's not able to do it.
1:12:47 Speaker 03 As a result of the light, I really cannot do anything about the upper side of the screen.
1:12:50 Doug DeMuro? But you look nice. And then right over there somewhere, there's a podcast question section, and you can ask us questions. And folks, ask us questions. This week, they were so good.
1:12:57 Speaker 03 419 comments last week. Wow.
1:12:59 Doug DeMuro? Uh, question number one from edac33. In honor of your 100th episode, Nick, that's what this is. What were your favorite moments over the last 99 episodes? Nick, go ahead. I'll let Flippo go first.
1:13:10 Speaker 03 You know, we spent a couple hours a week for the last 100 weeks recording this. There's so many great moments.
1:13:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like for example, I can think of, um, well, there was, uh,
1:13:21 Speaker 03 There was not one moment.
1:13:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh, no, wait, that one got cut. Um, I think my favorite moments have been all the times that I predicted things that happened.
1:13:28 Speaker 03 There have been a lot of delightful moments and great questions.
1:13:31 Doug DeMuro? Here's a good one from Scotsman in OC. Scotsman in OC. This is a great question that I really want you to think on. Dear Doug, do you think the Ferrari California has become a more attractive proposition over the years? We've talked on this show before about, yes, how we do think that, that it's gotten cheaper, that it's, that it's fast, even by There's a silver one on the site right now, right? But he makes an interesting point that I hadn't considered. Ferrari has now begun switching to hybrids and V6s. Well, the California has a naturally aspirated V8. And all this talk about how, oh, they're switching. Here's an, you want a Ferrari with an N A V8? Okay, you get a 458 Speciale, or?
1:14:07 Speaker 03 But here's the thing, a Mondeal.
1:14:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:14:09 Speaker 03 Which was the predecessor.
1:14:11 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I agree.
1:14:12 Speaker 03 I go, has a gated manual.
1:14:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:14:15 Speaker 03 And I don't see prices going up there.
1:14:16 Doug DeMuro? No, but it's still cool. Like I
1:14:19 Speaker 03 Still worth thirty five thousand dollars.
1:14:21 Doug DeMuro? His point isn't necessarily that prices should go up. He's just asking, do you think it has become a more attractive proposition? I thought that already before it was framed as a naturally aspirated V8 to me. But now I'm sitting here thinking, this is a seventies, a fifty fifty six with some, with a little incident there.
1:14:35 Speaker 04 Some miles.
1:14:37 Speaker 03 But these are all day in the eighties.
1:14:38 Doug DeMuro? It's an NAV eight Ferrari and it drives like a Ferrari. It steers like a Ferrari. It handles like a Ferrari and it is an NAV eight car.
1:14:45 Speaker 04 Point, point taken, however, if you had eighty and had to buy a Ferrari, which color would you get the three sixty in?
1:14:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I wouldn't get this. That's true. However, however, it is, it is a relatively attractive proposition. Also, a three sixty cannot put on miles like this car.
1:15:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, I, I've, I've looked at these. I've wanted to like them. I've even thought about buying one. I just can't, I can't make myself love it.
1:15:07 Doug DeMuro? I don't necessarily think it is an enthusiast's car. However, I do think there is a big swath of people who should like, and if you're buying an SL. Why? If I'm in Florida.
1:15:15 Speaker 03 You could buy a new SL or one of these.
1:15:18 Doug DeMuro? Yup. And boy, would I not choose the new SL. The new SL and the Audi Q four Sportback are right up there against each other with days of supply.
1:15:27 Speaker 03 All the buttons will be sticky, maybe. Actually, this one looks incredibly nice, I have to say.
1:15:31 Doug DeMuro? I, I just, it's an interesting proposition. I'd rather drive around in a Ferrari, dude. You, you might rather have a new SL, but I, I'm gonna, I would rather have an NAV eight Ferrari.
1:15:38 Speaker 03 I'd rather have a new SL.
1:15:39 Doug DeMuro? You'd rather have a six cylinder. Why is he standing up?
1:15:42 Speaker 03 I don't know.
1:15:42 Doug DeMuro? He does things like this.
1:15:43 Speaker 04 He's probably hot.
1:15:45 Doug DeMuro? He messes with me.
1:15:45 Speaker 04 Or cold.
1:15:46 Speaker 03 The air is not enough.
1:15:48 Speaker 04 Uh, I, I, I, I agree with the premise of the question and I think everyone does on the left side of their brain, the rational side. But the emotional side, much like the Lamborghini EV, it's hard to create that emotional connection with the California. Someone is stick swapping one, because what? Five of them came factory stick, like literally five, something like that. The, if, if you could manual swap it and so you'd have like a modern stick V8.
1:16:13 Speaker 03 I, I do think that's, that's the problem with this car. The rational side of your brain will just buy. A PDK 911. Yeah. Right, for $50,000 for one in the same year. The emotional side will want something more raw.
1:16:26 Doug DeMuro? I don't think it's necessarily, I think there are two things, two points to consider. Number one, I don't think it's necessarily enthusiast car. I think it is for the type of person who buys a Maserati Gran Turismo.
1:16:34 Speaker 03 Right, and then the Maserati Gran Turismo exists. And it's 12 grand.
1:16:37 Doug DeMuro? But that type of person dreams of having a Ferrari.
1:16:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:40 Doug DeMuro? Like, that brand is a big deal to people like that. And number two, the Ferrari 360 that you guys are talking about, you can't put miles, go back to the California letter.
1:16:50 Doug DeMuro? The, the, the, the miles, you can't put miles on a, a Maserati Gran Turismo like you can put on one of these.
1:16:55 Speaker 03 Okay, is that?
1:16:56 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. You can't put miles on a Ferrari 360 like you could put on one of these. Mid-engine, exotic car, the interiors wear, the cars wear, et cetera. This car, the California, which we're off again.
1:17:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, I got distracted.
1:17:08 Doug DeMuro? That is not the, that is not the situation. I think this is a much more daily usable car.
1:17:13 Speaker 04 You're, again, you're correct, but I, I think it's a styling that, that ruins it for me. I, I don't, there's just something about it.
1:17:20 Doug DeMuro? I just think it's not for, it's not for true enthusiasts, but I think there is a big market for it.
1:17:24 Speaker 03 But then just buy a Gran Turismo for a third the price.
1:17:27 Doug DeMuro? But the people, but I'm saying, what I've said before, when you were, when you were not paying attention, is that the people, the people who want, like, want the brand, they want the Ferrari brand.
1:17:36 Speaker 03 But this isn't, like, nobody.
1:17:38 Doug DeMuro? To you, it's not, but to a lot of people, you see this, you're like, damn, you got a Ferrari.
1:17:43 Speaker 03 I think those same people that see a California are like, damn, you got a Ferrari, would say that about a Gran Turismo.
1:17:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but Ferrari is like the vaunted brand. It's like the dream brand.
1:17:52 Speaker 03 But I don't know how many shields you got.
1:17:54 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question from 72 Offsuit. Is it just me, or is the American boomer car market crumbling? What boomer car would strike your fancy at the right price, Nick?
1:18:05 Speaker 04 I don't think it's just him.
1:18:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:18:07 Speaker 04 There's definitely data to support that the, especially like the 60s muscle cars, but even the like. Like the Indianapolis pace car edition C5 and like all of these cars that appealed to the boomer demographic, they're they're getting too old for to put up with the bull that comes with those cars.
1:18:24 Doug DeMuro? Did you type in boomer and like?
1:18:27 Speaker 03 Mustangs and?
1:18:28 Doug DeMuro? I just typed in Ford.
1:18:31 Doug DeMuro? I just want to have this.
1:18:32 Speaker 04 So there's there's there is that I think that is true, although there are certainly exceptions to it.
1:18:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:18:37 Speaker 04 Um, the blue chip cars will continue to do well. What car would I like?
1:18:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:18:41 Speaker 04 There are so many, I'm I'm still.
1:18:43 Doug DeMuro? Really? What boomer car would you like most?
1:18:45 Speaker 04 I'm trying to get off my boomer data, 67 Mustang that he's got sort of rotting away in a barn. Um, I I those cars sound like much like you like your Countach, the carbureted feel. They're slow by today's standards, but like there's just something visceral and raw with it that I love.
1:19:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I would go split window. I think that the C2 is still the most probably top five most beautiful cars ever manufactured. I really truly think the C2.
1:19:07 Speaker 04 And you do have to go more beauty than driving experience.
1:19:11 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, of course.
1:19:11 Speaker 04 Like you have to understand that that's what you're doing.
1:19:13 Doug DeMuro? Oh, God, it's such such a beautiful car.
1:19:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, especially in that.
1:19:16 Speaker 03 I know, it's a convertible, but so.
1:19:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but like any C2, even the convertibles, even the non-split windows, but if I had to pick any of them, you'd get a.
1:19:23 Speaker 03 Look at that interior.
1:19:23 Doug DeMuro? It's so crazy. It was just a time when like design was like really at the forefront and regulations didn't force you to conform to different things. You could just do all sorts of crazy stuff. What would you get?
1:19:38 Speaker 03 Old truck.
1:19:39 Doug DeMuro? Old truck.
1:19:40 Speaker 04 F250.
1:19:41 Speaker 03 Hey, we have we'll have an F250, but like, you know, cool.
1:19:43 Speaker 04 Was there an update on that?
1:19:44 Speaker 03 Uh, a bunch of work's been done on it. It should I should be shipped here.
1:19:49 Speaker 04 Do we have an estimate?
1:19:50 Doug DeMuro? For the amount of work?
1:19:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:19:52 Speaker 03 Fifteen hundred, two grand.
1:19:53 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:19:54 Doug DeMuro? From Frank AP, question for Doug, as a knowledgeable car person, what is the most egregious example of a car related fact that people believe to be true but turned out to be false?
1:20:03 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:20:03 Doug DeMuro? My favorite one of these, the most annoying one that has ever existed is the this car's only got back seats for insurance purposes.
1:20:11 Speaker 04 That's where my head went to.
1:20:12 Doug DeMuro? God, that is the stupidest thing that people repeat. And when I hear people say it at Cars and Coffee, two things happen. Number one, I think to myself, oh, God, here we go again. Number two, I have to get away from this conversation as quickly as possible.
1:20:23 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:20:24 Doug DeMuro? The cars that have back seats have them for backseat purposes. Your insurer has a lot more data than just, does it have back? So well, then it must be a family car. Let's make it cheap. It's not how it works. Maybe it was 50 years ago, but-
1:20:37 Speaker 03 I would believe it was at some point, but it certainly hasn't been for decades.
1:20:39 Doug DeMuro? Decades. You should see the models they have. How do they know to send me a bill for exactly 6,131, you know?
1:20:48 Speaker 03 Right. You're mistaken precision for accuracy, but yeah.
1:20:52 Doug DeMuro? Huh.
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1:21:25 Doug DeMuro? Huh. Can you come up with another example?
1:21:28 Speaker 04 Mine kind of related is BMW, but other manufacturers were pushing concepts such as lifetime fluid or 10,000 mile intervals, which proved to be terribly wrong. But even to this day, like the cars don't remind you to get the oil changed till like frankly, it's too late.
1:21:45 Doug DeMuro? Yep. And those motors all had problems because of those recommendations.
1:21:48 Speaker 04 And all the consumers thought this was great. I don't have to change my oil is off then. And it's like, no, you're just screwing yourself. Like this is bad.
1:21:54 Doug DeMuro? I mean, it's a great idea in theory, but no one really put it into practice correctly. Also, it might not be possible.
1:22:00 Speaker 04 Well, fluids, it's just like basic chemicals. They degrade over time. It doesn't matter.
1:22:05 Speaker 03 Yeah. I think people often think big old car safe.
1:22:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:22:09 Speaker 03 And that's just not how safety works.
1:22:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's another good one.
1:22:11 Speaker 03 It turns out like energy dissipate and you have to have a bunch of crumble zones.
1:22:15 Doug DeMuro? You make them, they don't let you make cars out of steel anymore. But now they crumble, these things crumble.
1:22:20 Speaker 03 And that's the entire point.
1:22:21 Doug DeMuro? That's the point.
1:22:22 Speaker 03 The point is that it crumbles and you don't die.
1:22:24 Doug DeMuro? Totally. That's totally. That is another great one. And you see that. I see car accidents. I saw it on the freeway the other day. I didn't see it happen, but I drove by and some car had been destroyed in the front, but the passenger compartment was completely intact.
1:22:37 Speaker 03 For a modern car, it always, like it's incredible how well engineered and designed they are. Does that mean that if you crash into somebody at 20, you might have to have a lot of repairs?
1:22:45 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
1:22:46 Speaker 03 Right. But the goal is that it then keeps you safe.
1:22:48 Doug DeMuro? And that's all we really care about.
1:22:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:22:50 Doug DeMuro? Uh, here's a great question from Jake Demathus 600. To all three, what would be your choice to replace the Dodge Charger Ford Explorer for a police vehicle, but using a car from a non-American manufacturer?
1:23:03 Doug DeMuro? In Europe, they have X5s. Like, in the UK, they use X5s. They have Volvo station wagons. What else? What foreign car?
1:23:10 Speaker 04 So if I were the police force,
1:23:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:23:13 Speaker 04 They want cars that blend in, so that they can kind of catch you speeding or doing something without
1:23:17 Doug DeMuro? I want the opposite. I love the end of the Crown Vic area, because nobody else is driving around in Crown Vic. Pretend you're a law enforcement organization. What would you buy? Not a person trying to evade the police.
1:23:28 Speaker 04 Don't you think it would be something like a Prius?
1:23:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:23:31 Speaker 04 Because you're not doing many high-speed pursuits.
1:23:33 Doug DeMuro? They like speed, though. They often have to, like, they're on the freeway, run radar, and then they gotta go catch up to the person, like.
1:23:38 Speaker 03 Plug-in Prius got good downward torque.
1:23:40 Doug DeMuro? Zero sixteen, ten and a half.
1:23:42 Speaker 03 No, it's faster than that.
1:23:43 Doug DeMuro? Nine and a half.
1:23:44 Speaker 03 Eight.
1:23:44 Doug DeMuro? Oh, the new Prius.
1:23:45 Speaker 03 Well, you sure.
1:23:46 Doug DeMuro? Still, you know, you also don't want chintzy. I mean, like, the thing about these cars that's important is, they also bump into stuff. Your car breaks.
1:23:53 Speaker 03 Ford Escape Hybrid.
1:23:54 Doug DeMuro? Huh?
1:23:54 Speaker 03 Ford Escape Hybrid. Think about how many you've had miles.
1:23:57 Doug DeMuro? This is
1:23:57 Speaker 04 And also American.
1:23:59 Doug DeMuro? Nah, it's still too weak.
1:24:01 Speaker 04 It probably needs to be a Toyota, then, just for durability. It's a fleet-use vehicle.
1:24:04 Doug DeMuro? How about the Crown?
1:24:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, the Crown's the obvious. It's what they do in Japan for, like, the high
1:24:09 Doug DeMuro? Really?
1:24:10 Speaker 03 No, but for, like, the, like, state police, the miracle collection that they have.
1:24:13 Doug DeMuro? How about?
1:24:15 Speaker 04 Jaguar I-Pace? You could get a good deal on them. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.
1:24:19 Speaker 03 Take the Waymos.
1:24:19 Doug DeMuro? I wonder what percentage of those ended up being sold as Waymos?
1:24:22 Speaker 03 All of them.
1:24:23 Doug DeMuro? Um, okay, what about, uh, is there anything else that's, like, kind of, what about a 4Runner? In Hawaii, they use 4Runners.
1:24:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, 4Runner's not bad. The issue, like, I want the police department to also be really efficient with their use of taxpayer funds.
1:24:35 Doug DeMuro? Oh, geez.
1:24:35 Speaker 03 And so less, like, if it is a hybrid, if it's a plug-in hybrid of some kind, if it's something that has durability, the better fuel economy, that benefits everybody.
1:24:42 Doug DeMuro? I like it when the police have big V8 chargers.
1:24:46 Speaker 03 Or when, like, this Italian police gets donated, like, a Huracan.
1:24:50 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Uh, Toyota Crown, 4Runner? These are our answers. Prius?
1:24:56 Speaker 03 The current Crown?
1:24:57 Speaker 04 How about, like, a Civic SI? Got a little speed. It's a reasonable car.
1:25:01 Doug DeMuro? It's too wimpy. The cops are often using their cars to hit stuff. It happens all the time.
1:25:08 Speaker 03 They push something out of the roadway, for sure. That does happen.
1:25:11 Doug DeMuro? It keeps that Civic SI crumple. We just talked about that.
1:25:13 Speaker 03 But they have the brush guards for that reason.
1:25:15 Doug DeMuro? Not all of them, and often they push even if they don't have the brush guards.
1:25:18 Speaker 03 Then that's damage regardless.
1:25:20 Doug DeMuro? And that's not being efficient with the taxpayers' money.
1:25:22 Speaker 03 I've got it.
1:25:23 Speaker 04 It's the Mitsubishi Eclipse, not the old one, the cross.
1:25:28 Speaker 03 The cross.
1:25:29 Speaker 04 Because then you have the space, it's sturdy. Mitsubishi would love the sales. They'd make a great deal. And they're forgettable cars you wouldn't notice in traffic.
1:25:37 Speaker 03 All right, Lexus IS, because I'm looking at what's live. Most people have just a regular IS 250.
1:25:42 Doug DeMuro? You get an IS 500.
1:25:42 Speaker 03 Some people get an ISF.
1:25:44 Doug DeMuro? The, in Aspen, they use Toyota Highlanders.
1:25:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:25:49 Doug DeMuro? Interested in that?
1:25:49 Speaker 03 No.
1:25:50 Doug DeMuro? I guess it's like a Ford Explorer.
1:25:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:25:51 Doug DeMuro? So that would work. Okay, that's the answer. Uh, okay, I want to do two more questions. Two more questions.
1:25:58 Speaker 03 I stand by wanting them to be easily identifiable.
1:26:00 Doug DeMuro? Two more questions. Two more questions. Two more questions. From Quirks and Features Fan, Doug question. You've mentioned now that you have two EV chargers installed at your house, which raises the question, what EV would you consider? Uh, Mercedes E-Class station wagon. Felipe, what EV would you consider?
1:26:16 Speaker 03 The EQ E-Class wagon? Um, I would consider a lot of EVs.
1:26:20 Doug DeMuro? But you've never done that. Like, what would actually make you step in?
1:26:24 Speaker 03 The most attractive lease deal.
1:26:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but there have been some really attractive lease deals and you haven't done it.
1:26:27 Speaker 03 How have I not?
1:26:28 Doug DeMuro? What would make you step in and do it?
1:26:30 Speaker 03 The problem is, even though we own four cars, five cars at the moment, things I've got on hand, uh, we need a car that can go at least 500 miles range to get to in-laws, which we do really regularly.
1:26:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:26:44 Speaker 03 And the Lucid Air, I guess, would do that.
1:26:46 Doug DeMuro? Well, what about you just charge it in Yuma? For 89, for 89 bucks a month, charging it in Hila Bend, is that really so bad?
1:26:52 Speaker 04 Hila Bend's right next to a Taco Bell.
1:26:53 Speaker 03 We don't go through Hila Bend. We got to go to one in Yuma. Yeah, but then you got to stop in Yuma, you know?
1:26:59 Doug DeMuro? The sure wonderful listeners in Yuma.
1:27:01 Speaker 03 Actually, Yuma's a cute little downtown. It's nice. Uh, I should consider more of them. I should. The, I actually am into the new Toyota BZ Woodlin and the Subaru variant that's five grand cheaper inexplicably.
1:27:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the Trail Seeker.
1:27:15 Speaker 03 Because it's like a little wagon-y. It's a trail seeker, right? Kind of into that. I'm strongly considering an Ioniq 5 when lease deals are really attractive. There's a lot that I consider.
1:27:24 Doug DeMuro? Okay, but you've never done it.
1:27:26 Speaker 03 I would consider a Rivian R2 or R1S.
1:27:29 Doug DeMuro? So the answer is there's nothing.
1:27:30 Speaker 04 I could see him in an I- Ioniq 6 because he's contrarian and he's a bit of a contrarian vehicle.
1:27:34 Speaker 03 I'm the hatchback guy.
1:27:35 Doug DeMuro? You know, there's now Ioniq 6 N?
1:27:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:27:37 Speaker 04 Oh.
1:27:38 Doug DeMuro? That's super contrarian.
1:27:39 Speaker 04 Pretty cool.
1:27:39 Doug DeMuro? Because like everybody's on the Ioniq 5 N and it's a little gear thing.
1:27:43 Speaker 03 I would consider a ton of, my next car will be a plug-in hybrid.
1:27:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you know, yeah, is it? Will it? Because you, you said that a long time and then you got a truck that has a V8 and gets two miles per gallon. Oh, that was inherited. Oh, and then there's going to be some qualifier for, oh, well, that was whatever.
1:27:59 Speaker 03 Fun fact about the, the truck, it has two gas tanks, as is common, but one of them, we would need to do a bunch of work to actually use.
1:28:05 Doug DeMuro? So you're just going to use the other?
1:28:06 Speaker 03 Just one.
1:28:06 Doug DeMuro? I will tell you.
1:28:07 Speaker 03 It's 20 gallons and that, that's got to be 200 miles.
1:28:08 Doug DeMuro? I will tell you, it is so nice in the Countach. Of all the compromises that car has, it is so nice to be able to just pull up at either side of the pump and never think about it.
1:28:18 Speaker 03 Yep. Do you have to switch tanks or are there?
1:28:20 Doug DeMuro? No, this isn't a 40s car. Nick, what EV would you buy?
1:28:24 Speaker 04 R2, G-Wagon EQ. Basically, any SUV that fits like a family slash daily car.
1:28:32 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:28:32 Speaker 04 It's the only EV application I'm interested in. The, what's a Telluride, the K9?
1:28:37 Speaker 03 The EV9.
1:28:38 Speaker 04 EV9.
1:28:39 Speaker 03 Ioniq.
1:28:39 Speaker 04 Something like that would be fine.
1:28:40 Doug DeMuro? K9?
1:28:42 Speaker 03 They have the K5.
1:28:44 Doug DeMuro? But you haven't done that.
1:28:45 Speaker 04 I would also love to EV swap my Land Rover.
1:28:48 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
1:28:49 Speaker 04 Be more reliable.
1:28:50 Doug DeMuro? I'm not even going to touch that.
1:28:51 Speaker 03 What?
1:28:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:28:52 Speaker 04 You can put like a Tesla Escape.
1:28:54 Doug DeMuro? No, no, wait, you, you can't.
1:28:55 Speaker 04 I mean, I would pay a shop to do it for me.
1:28:57 Doug DeMuro? There is no shop in the world. Nick, that's a $40,000 job.
1:29:00 Speaker 04 Traders will do it. It's like 100.
1:29:01 Doug DeMuro? Nick, that car is worth.
1:29:02 Speaker 03 Also, that doesn't make any sense.
1:29:04 Speaker 04 It'd be fast, it'd be reliable, it would be.
1:29:07 Doug DeMuro? It still somehow would be unreliable. I don't know how, but it would. Um, Nick, how come you haven't actually done this? You've got some money.
1:29:12 Speaker 04 You can do it. I don't got that kind of money.
1:29:14 Doug DeMuro? For, no, no, not that. You're talking about for the EVs. You said you'd get an R2 like.
1:29:18 Speaker 04 I, I'm having conversations with my wife. My wife is also off cars after the multiple sale. And so we've decided to just stay the course with our current fleet.
1:29:27 Doug DeMuro? Okay, okay. All right, last question from JJ Silva 7. What is the manliest man car? Not an SUV, not a truck, car.
1:29:35 Speaker 03 Charger six pack.
1:29:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:29:38 Doug DeMuro? No, but I think one of those wide body chargers, probably. Right? Or like a demon?
1:29:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:29:45 Speaker 04 I was gonna say the WS6 that you have in the basement.
1:29:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:29:48 Speaker 04 A WS6 is about as toxic masculinity as it gets, in a good way.
1:29:53 Speaker 03 CA, ZR1X?
1:29:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:29:55 Speaker 03 Or ZR1ZTC?
1:29:56 Doug DeMuro? I think the two said before are a little bit more.
1:29:58 Speaker 04 Certainly an American muscle car.
1:29:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:30:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:30:01 Doug DeMuro? Something like that.
1:30:01 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:30:02 Speaker 04 Although the TRX Raptor are kinda...
1:30:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, a truck though, you know?
1:30:05 Doug DeMuro? That's our hundredth episode.
1:30:08 Speaker 03 I should have leased an EV.
1:30:09 Doug DeMuro? Hundred episodes, folks. What an unbelievable experience. This STI is ending, but it'll be over by the time you watch this and you'll have seen what happened. One hundred episodes. Nick, do you have anything, any wisdom for the next hundred?
1:30:21 Speaker 04 Well, I wonder, I mean, you've stuck to the format too, haven't you?
1:30:24 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah.
1:30:25 Speaker 04 Is there any desire to switch it up?
1:30:27 Doug DeMuro? No.
1:30:28 Speaker 04 We had Hoovy on once.
1:30:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, if we have good, people are always asking to come on.
1:30:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:30:32 Doug DeMuro? One of the things that I've realized that when someone asks to come on, it means they don't watch. Cause they think we have guests, so we don't have guests. And it's like, oh, well. But I'm willing to have someone really good on. It was like, Hoovy or better? Hoovy or better? So like...
1:30:45 Speaker 04 Who would be?
1:30:46 Doug DeMuro? Whistlin is the only one.
1:30:47 Speaker 04 I was gonna say, you could name one person. Who would be the, the guest chair?
1:30:51 Doug DeMuro? Um, if we could have one person on, who would it be?
1:30:54 Speaker 03 I would have Whistlin.
1:30:54 Speaker 04 I think you need to have Matt Farah on because he has you on once a year.
1:30:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:30:58 Speaker 04 Maybe for like New Years.
1:30:59 Speaker 03 Before we did this CarPod, we did Live Now with Cars and Bits. It was a live show and he came on one.
1:31:03 Speaker 04 He's great.
1:31:04 Doug DeMuro? You know what we should have on one of these days? Is the air conditioner repairman, the technician who fixed Ryan's air conditioner.
1:31:11 Speaker 03 We should.
1:31:12 Doug DeMuro? Have him do like a blow by blow of what happened? What was so difficult about this? How we were able to finally get it solved?
1:31:19 Speaker 03 Right.
1:31:20 Doug DeMuro? Goodbye, everyone.
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