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Chapters:
00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:10 The Fast And The Furious Exhibit
00:00:52 Porsche Carrera GT Prices
00:06:54 Gas Prices On The Rise
00:10:55 Porsche's New SUV
00:16:27 Leno's Law Is Back
00:20:42 BMW 2027 Lineup
00:23:09 Cat Truck
00:28:22 Talk Cars
00:29:47 Nick's P38
00:34:13 Moda Miami
00:35:57 P38 Continued
00:39:45 Filippo's F250
00:46:39 Doug's 993 Turbo
00:51:23 Market Report
00:53:58 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
00:55:52 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo
00:58:51 Rezvani
01:02:00 Mercedes-Benz C63 Black Series
01:03:27 Reggie Jackson's Range Rover
01:06:14 Joey Kramer's Cars For Sale
01:09:00 Community Questions
01:09:29 What Is The Most Embarrassing Car To Drive?
01:12:14 When Will Doug Get On Harry's Level?
01:14:47 Why Doesn't Doug Have A Rivian?
01:16:02 How Does Filippo Like His 997?
01:18:04 Is There A Market For A New Cadillac XLR?
01:21:46 Why Is The SLK55 AMG Not Highly Regarded?
01:24:04 Will There Be Movement In The GT4 Market?
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1:05 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Filippo.
1:09 Speaker 03 I'm Crazy Nick.
1:10 Doug DeMuro? I'm Doug. Nick, stand up. Stand up. Show us what you're wearing today. What is this, Nick, that you have here for us?
1:18 Speaker 03 Someone sent us some beautiful swag, which I'm a large, usually medium on the short, but whatever you would like. But the Fast and the Furious exhibit is coming to the Peterson. I assume that's why it was sent to us and like, look at this drip.
1:32 Doug DeMuro? Show us the pants again.
1:33 Speaker 03 The pants, they say.
1:35 Doug DeMuro? The pants say Fast and the Furious all over. At some point it says pockets ain't empty, which of course the famous line from Fast 2, which is our favorite. Filippo's in mine.
1:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's, there's something.
1:44 Doug DeMuro? They're really something. You gonna wear these, you gonna wear these around or?
1:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:47 Doug DeMuro? Okay. All right. Let's start with, that's some news.
1:52 Doug DeMuro? Let's start with some real news, which is the Carrera GT. Filippo, have you been following Carrera GT prices?
2:00 Speaker 04 Incredibly.
2:01 Speaker 03 Against our will.
2:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Okay. There is a Gulf Blue, by the time you're watching this video, it'll be today. Gulf Blue Carrera GT, there are only like 30 paint to sample Carrera GTs.
2:14 Speaker 04 Out of how many were made?
2:15 Doug DeMuro? In the US, there were 650 Carrera GTs, only 30 were paint to sample. The reason for that is Carrera GT buyers are not annoying pedants. They're people who wanted to actually enjoy a car, rather than be like, "I've got a green, and it only existed during 1970." Anyway. But one of them's coming up for sale, and it's Gulf Blue, which is a color that some people like.
2:37 Speaker 04 I...
2:38 Doug DeMuro? Yes, I do, some people do. I have been anxiously watching the Carrera GT pricing. And I'm nervous to drive my car. And I have not driven my car all that much in the last few months.
2:51 Speaker 04 Prices have increased, you think, what, 30% since you bought?
2:55 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no, considerably more.
2:58 Speaker 04 More than that?
2:59 Doug DeMuro? Well, I'll tell you this, Johnny Lieberman and his pals, over at that company that buys cars and sells them for profit.
3:05 Speaker 03 Their shirts, maybe I'm wearing their shirt.
3:07 Doug DeMuro? Drift, it's like Drift Capital. Johnny Lieberman had signed on to some company that buys cars as investments and then resells them later. They bought a Carrera GT publicly, two and a half years ago, for 1.7 million, and sold it this week for 3.3, all in including fees, which is 100% increase. If you take fees out of both transactions, it was like an 86% increase. And I compared it to the stock market, and the market's up like 51% in that time. And, yeah.
3:34 Speaker 03 Serious.
3:35 Doug DeMuro? It's real.
3:35 Speaker 04 You gotta stop driving, you gotta just sell your car.
3:37 Doug DeMuro? Do you think I should sell?
3:38 Speaker 04 I do.
3:39 Doug DeMuro? I'm nervous, I'm very nervous to drive it. I did drive it here today, it's over there, and it is such an amazing experience.
3:47 Speaker 04 Would it be better if it was Gulf Blue?
3:49 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no, but it would be more special. I think a lot of people would consider it more special. I, after all this time, I still think, I have come around to the belief that silver is the best color for that car.
3:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:59 Doug DeMuro? I still don't like the 4GT, my 4GT color. I still wish my 4GT was a different color. Nonetheless, this is being sold at Broad Arrow, which is Hagerty's auction. Maybe, is that a competitor to us?
4:11 Speaker 04 They do in-person auctions of.
4:14 Doug DeMuro? In-person, high-end cars. They're probably a competitor, but if you're gonna watch, you should. They got this thing, they have a $6 million estimate on it.
4:23 Speaker 04 How many miles?
4:24 Doug DeMuro? I don't, 2000.
4:25 Speaker 04 Oh, that's more than I expected for 6 mil.
4:27 Doug DeMuro? But 6 million estimate. The last two Carrera GTs that just sold, sold for over $3 million.
4:32 Speaker 04 Yours is high mile in the world of Carrera GT.
4:35 Doug DeMuro? In the world of USA Carrera GTs minus high mile, yeah. They pretty commonly come up in Europe with 20, 30,000 miles, kilometers, yeah. Pretty common.
4:41 Speaker 04 You're at.
4:42 Doug DeMuro? I'm approaching 16,000.
4:44 Speaker 04 Wow, you've done 6,000 miles since buying?
4:46 Doug DeMuro? I've done 6,000 miles. And, you know, I have definitely lost value as a result of that. However, there are probably only a few dozen people on the planet that have done 6,000 miles in a Carrera GT.
4:58 Speaker 04 Also, if the value of the car is up 80%.
5:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, it's okay. And you know what? I was driving it today and I've been a little bit beating myself up about the miles, some of which have been kind of BS.
5:08 Doug DeMuro? And I drove it into work today and I was like, of course I've done 6,000 miles in a car. It is the greatest damn drive that has ever existed.
5:15 Speaker 03 Being, being, being friends with Doug DeMuro, is this getting subjected to that constantly? Like, once a day, we have to hear how great the car is.
5:22 Speaker 04 But then if you drive a different car.
5:23 Doug DeMuro? Or Countach. No, no, no, only the Carrera GT and the Countach.
5:25 Speaker 03 Or the G-Wagon.
5:26 Doug DeMuro? Both occupied, no.
5:27 Speaker 03 Or the 993.
5:28 Doug DeMuro? Never talked about how great that car is. And I never will.
5:32 Speaker 03 Every summer, we get, unrequested, they're like.
5:35 Doug DeMuro? Photos. But there's never, I'm never sitting there going, boy, this thing's great.
5:40 Doug DeMuro? No, I think you should go back and look. I don't think, I don't think I'm ever on the record talking about how that car is anything other than kind of stupid.
5:46 Speaker 03 If there's one thing I know that is true, is whatever you most recently drove is the greatest car.
5:51 Doug DeMuro? No, the Carrera GT is the greatest driving car and the Countach is the greatest car and that's it. There are no exceptions.
5:56 Speaker 03 Remember when he had his Kia Stinger and everything?
5:58 Doug DeMuro? Kia Stinger.
5:59 Speaker 03 Greatest car ever made.
6:00 Doug DeMuro? That is certainly not the greatest car ever made, but that Stinger GT is such a dick. Pull up Stinger GTs. What are we selling them for? What are we selling them for? The market. Can you get them for under 20? Yes. Is that true?
6:12 Speaker 04 I mean, we only sell really nice ones, but.
6:13 Speaker 03 We have it in the market report, but you can get some good cars for under 20 now.
6:17 Doug DeMuro? Nick, Nick doesn't understand the nuance. Nick is not a nuanced man. He's.
6:21 Speaker 03 I'm a GT2 guy, not a GT1 guy.
6:23 Doug DeMuro? And so he doesn't understand the nuance. When I say the greatest car ever made versus the greatest driving car ever made. The greatest car ever made is the Countach. It just is. That's just true. That's objective. I think that's objective.
6:34 Speaker 03 It's not that I don't understand the nuance. I stopped listening to you as soon as you say greatest.
6:38 Doug DeMuro? These are, these are under 20 grand.
6:39 Speaker 04 Under 20 grand. I mean, what did you buy? It was 30 grand two years ago.
6:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, and it's a Kia.
6:44 Doug DeMuro? Five years ago, six years ago.
6:45 Speaker 03 10 years.
6:46 Doug DeMuro? I love this car.
6:47 Speaker 03 There you go. There's yours. Wow, that was all the money.
6:50 Doug DeMuro? Well, then it was, it was COVID. I mean, crazy stuff was going on. I love this car. I still do.
6:58 Speaker 03 Well, let's, let's hope that Carrera GT sells for a big number. You should keep driving yours regardless.
7:03 Speaker 04 I'm worried he'll sell for a low number, so he'd drive it more.
7:05 Doug DeMuro? Are you not worried? Are you not anxious when I drive my car now?
7:08 Speaker 04 No, no.
7:09 Doug DeMuro? Really? Should I be? Would you be if you were me?
7:12 Speaker 03 I mean, you've got this thing insured. There are other Carrera GTs if something horrible happened, like life would go on. I didn't want you to get injured.
7:18 Doug DeMuro? The insurer would never insure me on anything again. They wouldn't insure me on a, on a, on a wheeled office.
7:23 Speaker 03 Well, now that you just plugged their auction coming up, like you guys are good.
7:26 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, Hagerty, I'm gonna crash it, but you'll keep.
7:28 Speaker 04 No, it depends on what happens. Be reasonable. If somebody hits you, they, they will cover you in the future.
7:34 Doug DeMuro? The point is, I'm terrified.
7:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:35 Doug DeMuro? Move on to the next story. But I'm still enjoying it. You, did you enjoy seeing it when you walked in today?
7:41 Speaker 03 I did. Actually, it looks, it looks good.
7:43 Doug DeMuro? It does.
7:43 Speaker 03 And you keep it pretty clean.
7:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
7:45 Speaker 03 I'm, I'm proud of you.
7:46 Speaker 04 He spends more time washing the wheels than he does driving it.
7:48 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's true with my 993, but not any of my other cars. The Ford GT is so dirty right now and I gotta take it to cars. Anyway, move on. Oh, boy.
7:56 Speaker 04 Also scary.
7:57 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my god. What's happening? There's a boat in another boat. This must be a car news story.
8:03 Speaker 04 Yep. Uh, we are currently waging war in Iran. And it turns out that about a fifth of the world's oil is transported to the Strait of Hormuz.
8:11 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
8:12 Speaker 04 There are a lot of concerns about ship safety through the strait. And as a result, there's a lot of concerns about both oil production release and transport of oil.
8:20 Doug DeMuro? Right.
8:20 Speaker 04 Which generally analysts expect will mean that gas prices in the US and everywhere else go up. So they went up by the most they've gone up in a single day overnight on Monday.
8:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
8:31 Speaker 04 By 11%. There's expectation that gas prices will go up a little bit more. And that is the car connection.
8:37 Doug DeMuro? Nick, what are we gonna do?
8:38 Speaker 03 You know what? The, the, as constant as time, I, I remember when gas went from like $1 to $2 and everyone's like, we gotta find Geo Metro's and, oh, my gosh, the excursion, how wasteful. We, we overreact both directions and think, oh, well, now we gotta get EVs again. This, this will pass.
8:53 Doug DeMuro? Nick, do you have any, any comments on Trump came in and said he was gonna be the affordability president? Everything would get cheaper. He showed up, implemented tariffs and went to war with Iran. Do you have any comment on that and what has therefore happened? I don't want to be the one who says anything because people get mad at me, but you're wearing that and clearly have no shame.
9:12 Speaker 03 I have no defense to that statement. I, I mean, we'll see. There, there have always been skirmishes related to oil production, again, going back many, many wars.
9:22 Doug DeMuro? Geopolitical analysis for Nick here.
9:24 Speaker 03 Yes. I was a poly sci major.
9:26 Doug DeMuro? There you go. Skirmishes related to oil production?
9:29 Speaker 03 So we'll, we'll see. I mean, if this drags on for a while, yes, that could impact oil prices in a way that impacts our ability to daily drive.
9:36 Doug DeMuro? I want you specifically to talk about Trump and affordability. That's where I want us. We can bring it into cars. There's tariffs, there's gas prices. How do you feel about that?
9:45 Speaker 03 Gas prices aren't a good indicator of the overall problem of inflation. They are maybe a contributing factor, but people get like, oh, the price of eggs. It's like, okay, well, eggs are like one asset or one good that you should factor into a CPI. But they are not the totality of such. And so, yes, gas prices go up and down over time. They are not constant.
10:04 Doug DeMuro? He's like an apologist for Trump. You know what? So they go up, so they go down.
10:08 Speaker 03 I just love when Nick actually.
10:10 Doug DeMuro? The tariffs, the other country pays the tariffs, not us.
10:13 Speaker 03 I go out of my way to make sure no one can guess where I stand on the issues.
10:17 Doug DeMuro? Nick, let me ask you this question. Now that the tariffs have been repealed, are you, because you paid him for both the A2 and the multiplier,
10:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:24 Doug DeMuro? are you going to go to Trump and say, I want my 400?
10:27 Speaker 04 By the way, you theoretically could.
10:30 Doug DeMuro? I think so.
10:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, just shoot him an email.
10:33 Speaker 04 The US government is requesting a bunch of additional time to come up with a process for tariff refunds. Keep in mind, there are still 10% refunds across the board that are going up to 15% theoretically this week. Europe may be accepting.
10:44 Doug DeMuro? Refunds?
10:45 Speaker 04 No, additional tariffs under.
10:47 Doug DeMuro? But the tariffs were ruled unconstitutional and you paid them.
10:51 Speaker 04 I want to be really clear because.
10:52 Doug DeMuro? You have been constitutionally wronged and you need to be made whole.
10:57 Speaker 03 I did recently buy a nanocom scanner for my P38 from Great Britain and I was worried about the tariffs. And now I don't have to, DHL would just like send you a bill for like a hundred bucks and be like, this is what we calculated it. It made no sense. I just paid it. So.
11:12 Doug DeMuro? Really? You paid that one too?
11:13 Speaker 03 We're gonna start buying stuff. No, not for this one, but for my multiple stuff, like it just ended up being.
11:17 Speaker 04 Yeah. I want to be really clear because people do come to us for actual facts. There are a lot of tariffs that were applied over the last year. Some of them are still considered by the Supreme Court to be legal. And so still apply. So there was a subset under specific authorization that did not. But all of the kind of national security related ones, related to production of steel, et cetera, still apply. And there's additional tariffs now 10% globally, going up to 15% globally with maybe some carve outs.
11:43 Doug DeMuro? This is why I gotta get the C55 wagon in now. I gotta bring that thing in now.
11:48 Speaker 03 Following my footsteps.
11:49 Doug DeMuro? Or we gotta change the VIN so it starts with a four. All right. Gas prices shooting up, Carrera GT prices shooting up. What else is there?
11:56 Speaker 03 That's it.
11:57 Doug DeMuro? Oh, someone's shooting up a Cayenne.
11:59 Speaker 03 957, baby.
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12:30 Doug DeMuro? I have so many questions. There was not a hybrid Cayenne on this generation. They were just trying it all out.
12:37 Speaker 03 I like that they use the Trans-Siberia sort of scripting on the side here.
12:41 Doug DeMuro? Like the Trans-Siberia was like Trans-Siberia. Here they're, oh, the hybrid.
12:44 Speaker 03 Well, and the Trans-Siberia was kind of a Louis car when it came out, too.
12:47 Doug DeMuro? Deeply.
12:48 Speaker 03 Now it's cool.
12:49 Doug DeMuro? This is Saturn V hybrid level stuff. All right, regardless, we're not actually talking about the Cayenne.
12:52 Speaker 03 He's like our dad trying to keep us so badly on topic.
12:55 Doug DeMuro? So trying. I'm really trying. Chuck E. Cheese! This is an important news story, Felipe, but what do you get?
12:59 Speaker 04 All right, so Porsche, we've been talking, we've talked in the past about how they're planning on coming out with a flagship SUV. Audi is going to come out with the Q9, which will be their new largest SUV. Porsche will have an equivalent model that they have codenamed K1. Since we first learned about this, it was supposed to be an electric-only model. But now, they have confirmed that it will be launched with a V6, a V8 and some plug-in hybrid powertrands. Electric is still going to come, but down the line. Apparently, they're not happy with, let's be honest, where demand is. And also apparently with their actual development of the electrical component.
13:32 Doug DeMuro? You've got to wonder what it's like in Porsche right now. Like, all these things that were like set in stone, probably frozen, like past the, you know, where the design freezes, they're like completely have to rethink all these cars. And you know that some styling decisions are made on electric vehicles that wouldn't have been made in gas vehicles, so you have to assume there's styling and design changes. Totally.
13:54 Speaker 04 Because if you're designing a dress for EV, you don't have to worry about cooling the same way. You don't have to worry about air.
13:58 Doug DeMuro? But you are worried about aero a little bit more. You're worried that you're worried about maybe a larger like low footprint.
14:04 Speaker 04 Yeah, for sure. Your, your, your, your sound deadening and isolation is different because of different noises.
14:08 Doug DeMuro? Thin that comes on that kind, you know, I gotta tell you.
14:10 Speaker 04 I still haven't seen a Cayenne EV.
14:12 Doug DeMuro? You won't.
14:12 Speaker 04 They're not for.
14:12 Doug DeMuro? I gotta tell you, I drove up to LA to shoot the Cayenne EV in whenever that was because it was just coming out. It was a big deal. They had a few of us come to some studio and shoot it. I shot it along with a bunch of other new cars that were coming out in December last year.
14:24 Speaker 04 Yep.
14:25 Doug DeMuro? No one watched that video.
14:27 Speaker 04 Boy, my.
14:28 Doug DeMuro? Which is an indicator, I think, of demand for that car.
14:32 Speaker 04 Yep. Uh, this will in theory come out in the Q9 will come out in 2027. This will come out like 18 months later, some of that, uh, four seat, five seat and seven seat layout. It would in theory will be the first seven seat Porsche.
14:44 Doug DeMuro? This is a Range Rover competitor. Are you aware of that?
14:46 Speaker 03 It's, I mean, I'm shocked they haven't done that yet.
14:48 Doug DeMuro? You are, well, I think Porsche has had trouble trying to get a vehicle of that size to conform to their desires and requirements for performance handling and all that. But I think at some point, these automakers just realized it's all about the Benjamins. You know, I just reviewed the new X5 or the original X5, the first X5. And BMW was so concerned about the M brand at that time being put on an SUV that they didn't allow it. And the, the high performance versions of the original X5 were called the 4.6 IS and the 4.8 IS.
15:20 Speaker 03 And those were so cool.
15:22 Doug DeMuro? They were so cool. Now the M brand has been applied to every tube sock that they can sell on their website.
15:30 Speaker 04 They've learned that that's how you sell cars.
15:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
15:32 Speaker 04 By the way, fun fact, this will be built in Slovakia alongside the Q9 and the Cayenne hybrid, or excuse me, the Cayenne EV.
15:38 Doug DeMuro? You know, I still don't understand that.
15:41 Speaker 04 Which Slovakia is a country.
15:43 Doug DeMuro? I've been there. Have you been to Slovakia? Love Bratislava. Great town. Saw some cool cars there.
15:48 Speaker 03 My favorite part of this picture is how clearly you can see the plastic window regulators that you know are broken on every car built in this generation by now. I have done so many window regulators, why they ever made them out of the chintziest plastic known to humankind.
16:03 Speaker 04 I've done, I, I had an E53 X5, just like that one, also stick, and I replaced two windows regulator in the six months I owned it.
16:08 Doug DeMuro? I'll tell you this, I, I worked at Porsche when this generation kind was on sale and I will never forget. It was the recession and we were just coming out of the recession and, um, Previously, they had allowed company cars to be kind of flamboyantly ordered and the company would lose money on them, but the employees were happy. In the recession, that all stopped. And every single Cayenne we ordered during the recession was on these 12-inch
16:29 Speaker 03 Deep base.
16:30 Doug DeMuro? Deep base wheels, base model Cayenne, no full leather, the dash looked like elephant skin. It was just an atro- it was a depressing period.
16:38 Speaker 03 This is what you want now, though, because for an off-road build, having the smaller brakes that you could fit like beefy tires on.
16:44 Doug DeMuro? Every Cayenne we ordered for the company was a base V6.
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17:57 Doug DeMuro? All right, next.
17:58 Speaker 03 Hybrid's definitely the way to go. I'm excited for that when it comes out.
18:01 Doug DeMuro? Big news, Jay Leno has a 1954 Buick. Folks, I bet you didn't expect- No, the Leno's Law thing is back on the books in California. It won't pass because our legislature is a bunch of... I'm not gonna say the words I'm thinking.
18:17 Speaker 04 Thank you.
18:18 Speaker 03 We know how he feels about gas prices.
18:20 Speaker 04 So, last year we talked about a set of bill, 712, that would have increased exemptions for classic cars.
18:29 Doug DeMuro? In California. The goal was that California, right now, classic cars going back to 76 or something have to be smog. And it's obviously laughable. Nobody does it. Everybody just registers in Arizona and Montana. And so finally, someone put forth a rational thing here, like, hey, let's just exempt these cars from smog. Nobody's driving 19, early 80s cars anyway, because they were all utter [BLEEP]. And the bill got killed by a bunch of libs. And so now, it's back, and this time, Filippo tells me that there's even a lib sponsoring it from San Jose, which is like lib haven. It's like where they...
19:06 Speaker 04 Last year, it was sponsored by a state senator from Bakersfield. They do have a cosponsor on it.
19:14 Doug DeMuro? Bakersfield, you knew that was gonna fail. No bill that comes out of Bakersfield passes unless it's related to water rights. And then they just trust that the Bakersfield people know what they're talking about.
19:24 Speaker 04 It would basically mean that, as a starting point, vehicles pre-1981 are exempt, as long as they are not the daily driver for the year. And then it would increase year after year.
19:36 Doug DeMuro? 35-year rolling exemption through 86.
19:38 Speaker 04 Through 86, so through 2032.
19:40 Doug DeMuro? Which I think is a start. I mean, it's onerous. You can't even find smog places to smog these cars. So, that's the other thing people do, is they just give some money under the table. Not that we know anyone who's done that. I don't know anywhere you can get a dirty smog in California, for God's sake.
19:53 Speaker 03 Yeah. Definitely don't go on Facebook Marketplace looking for people that say, "Pay only when you pass smogs," and then have modified cars as the picture. Those definitely aren't dog whistles to get dirty smogs. Those are just hard-working, small businessmen looking to attract new customers in the most legitimate way possible.
20:11 Doug DeMuro? Have you ever done dirty smog? You haven't, have you? You've done a lot of sketch stuff.
20:15 Speaker 04 Regardless of the answer, don't.
20:17 Doug DeMuro? No, but truly, I don't think you have.
20:18 Speaker 03 I have a unique approach to problem-solving in this particular venue, an arena. And I prefer not to go that way. There are other solutions.
20:29 Speaker 04 SB 1392, which is what this is called, has some improvements, legitimate improvements over last year. So it would be defined as somebody's non, basically the owner's, something that's not the owner's primary mode of transportation. Last year, there was a lot of vague language around collector and for display.
20:45 Doug DeMuro? Insurance, getting collectors insurance.
20:47 Speaker 04 That now that it's been simplified.
20:49 Speaker 03 It's not like they have to write this from scratch. Plenty of other states have similar, you know what I mean?
20:53 Doug DeMuro? Every other state.
20:54 Speaker 03 Arizona, you get like a copper plate that says historic, it's baller.
20:57 Doug DeMuro? Every other state. The whole situation is so laughable. California is the only state that is still requiring these. And so the result is that they just have simply missed out on the tax revenue. Like, all these people are still, the amount of cars from this era that are still being driven to the exact same degree in California as every other state, they're just not registered in California. And that's just the situation. And so maybe finally we're gonna get some.
21:19 Speaker 04 So if you think this should pass, maybe write to your representative.
21:22 Doug DeMuro? I wrote to my state senator, who is a lib, and I discovered something. Do you know that there are more US congresspeople who represent California than state senators? In other words, your state senate district has more people than your US congressional district.
21:37 Speaker 04 Well, there is also.
21:38 Doug DeMuro? Needless to say, I didn't get a reply.
21:39 Speaker 04 There is, there's also the US, assuming the California House reps that.
21:43 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, but it's starting in the senate.
21:45 Speaker 04 I know, but you can still write to your other.
21:46 Doug DeMuro? You gotta get it past the senate first, Filippo. Jay Leno will tell you everything about that. The man is, has supported this law from its infancy.
21:55 Speaker 04 If you care, you should reach out to your reps.
21:57 Doug DeMuro? No, they don't care. They do not care. They have no accountability to the people.
22:00 Speaker 04 If you think that they have no accountability to the people, maybe consider running for office or finding a candidate to run for office.
22:05 Doug DeMuro? Or just leave California.
22:07 Speaker 03 Can you imagine Doug as a political person?
22:11 Doug DeMuro? I hate them all. Move on to the next one.
22:13 Speaker 04 All right. Oh geez, I'm so sorry. BMW accidentally leaked their 2027 lineup. And there's not that much all interesting here, but there's a couple of things. Most notably, there will be an M2X drive.
22:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:26 Speaker 04 Uh, so a, a, a all-wheel-drive M2.
22:29 Doug DeMuro? That's cool. That'll be cool.
22:31 Speaker 04 Here's why it's notable.
22:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:33 Speaker 04 Why is it not called the M2 Competition?
22:35 Doug DeMuro? Right, the M3 all-wheel drive is called the Competition and the base model is just the M3.
22:39 Speaker 04 Yep.
22:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:40 Speaker 04 There will also be an M3 50X drive, there'll be a bunch of new models that frankly are not that interesting or surprising. There will be a new X5 coming out in 2027, which I am actually kind of excited about, and an IX5.
22:51 Doug DeMuro? I was looking, X5 came out in like 18.
22:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, 4 Gen.
22:54 Doug DeMuro? It's been an enormous amount of time. Sometimes you wonder if the IX was intended to be the next Gen X5 and then they had to
23:01 Speaker 04 You'd get us soon.
23:02 Doug DeMuro? Figure all out.
23:02 Speaker 04 The I3, so the new 3 Series will also be coming out with an I3 40X drive, an I3 50X drive, a 350X drive, an M3 50X drive, all the normal ones. It's no longer the 340, it'll be 3, doesn't matter.
23:16 Doug DeMuro? So there's gonna be an I3?
23:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, so the new class, it will be the 3 Series.
23:21 Doug DeMuro? That's all coming for 27?
23:23 Speaker 04 Apparently.
23:23 Doug DeMuro? Wow, that's big.
23:25 Speaker 04 It's gonna be revealed soon.
23:26 Doug DeMuro? And this is, having an all-wheel drive M2 I think is gonna be pretty cool. I assume it's gonna be tip only though.
23:31 Speaker 04 You gotta assume. I don't think they have an automatic.
23:34 Speaker 03 If it's over 400 six-foot pound of torque, got no choice.
23:37 Speaker 04 It might also be more powerful, I have no idea.
23:39 Speaker 03 They also are having a track pack for the M2 that is like canards and some like track focus mods, like this is still the swan song, I think.
23:46 Doug DeMuro? M2 remains such a damn good car. And with all-wheel drive, it just adds a little bit more
23:51 Speaker 04 But then it's automatic.
23:51 Doug DeMuro? Damn goodness. Maybe, the fact that they're not calling it a Competition actually gives you a little bit of
23:56 Speaker 04 That's an interesting point.
23:56 Doug DeMuro? Because at some point they said the Competition models will never have manuals anymore because manuals are supposed to be the fastest. So maybe they're still gonna stick a manual in the all-wheel drive one.
24:04 Speaker 04 No manual per other reports.
24:05 Doug DeMuro? Damn, too bad.
24:07 Speaker 03 Are they facelifting it too? It says
24:10 Doug DeMuro? Hard to know because only the lineup got leaked, not photos, but the schnoz has grown on me a little bit, but I wouldn't mind a facelift. The M2 looks fine, I think, I never thought it looked bad. The M3 has never gotten better looking. But I still think it's the coolest damn car.
24:26 Speaker 04 It's gotten more special, like it feels more special than when it first came out.
24:29 Doug DeMuro? Man, I saw a green one yesterday.
24:30 Speaker 04 I know, Isle of Man.
24:31 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
24:33 Speaker 04 So that's BMW, we're real. And they reveal their lineup a year in advance, accidental.
24:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
24:40 Speaker 04 All right, this is the best news story of the week.
24:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, I agree, although the car's not quite a radical design that I was hoping for, but Caterpillar, who's famous for making all sorts of heavy equipment and being very industrial, is going to have their own pickup, or at least this is a concept of such, based on the F250, which no one has to tell you by looking at it that it's based off the F250. But a lot of it is actually more they've modified it for heavy equipment use, for work site use. So it has AI, which sounds a little bit like a buzzword, but all of the mods and technology is focused on job site.
25:11 Doug DeMuro? Which, which makes sense. I'm reading this thing here, and it says that AI-generated images were posted on the internet in late 2024, supposedly not by Caterpillar.
25:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:21 Doug DeMuro? And then Caterpillar is quoted here as saying, "You couldn't look away from those photos, and we couldn't either." And now they're talking about actually doing this. Because AI images convinced them to do it?
25:31 Speaker 04 Yep.
25:31 Doug DeMuro? Do you think that's how the Lincoln Bronco came to be?
25:33 Speaker 04 Yep. No, I think it was all because of you.
25:35 Doug DeMuro? It was all because of me.
25:36 Speaker 03 Well, and that is especially ironic, because you look at this and you think, "I can look away, it's an F250 with a different grille."
25:42 Speaker 04 Apparently, they will have a bunch of other things, like there'll be a drone launching station, some monitoring systems, camera systems, whatever. The interesting part is, so Caterpillar and the other heavy machinery companies, and tractor companies, John Deere too, they've really in the last few years leaned in hard on technology. Like, the new Caterpillar and the heavy industrial vehicles are like quite technological. So it makes sense that they have a bunch of tooling that might plug into that to help you monitor your construction sites, help you monitor your field, whatever.
26:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but Filippo.
26:13 Speaker 04 I mean, I don't think this is real, to be clear.
26:14 Doug DeMuro? Don't they have a tacit agreement with the automakers? We stick to the stuff that digs and pulls.
26:21 Speaker 04 That's why they're buying a F250.
26:22 Doug DeMuro? You stick to the trucks, you know what I mean? Don't they have like an, you know what I'm saying?
26:26 Speaker 04 I, I think that they will.
26:27 Doug DeMuro? Like, why doesn't Nicaragua just build a canal?
26:31 Speaker 03 What? I get where you're going.
26:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:35 Speaker 03 Do you? I don't.
26:36 Doug DeMuro? Well, like.
26:37 Speaker 03 Man's playing that for me.
26:38 Doug DeMuro? Like, like, they, they, they have left the vehicles.
26:43 Speaker 04 Nicaragua does the heavy equipment.
26:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, Nicaragua. Why doesn't Nicaragua show up and be like, screw you, we're gonna do it too? You know what I'm saying?
26:50 Speaker 04 I think it's really expensive to build a canal.
26:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's expensive, but they got this giant lake in Nicaragua. That's most of the.
26:55 Speaker 03 Maybe this is like the Mercedes McLaren SLR where they just needed a little help to get it off the ground before they.
27:01 Doug DeMuro? My point is simply that it's an interesting situation. What stops other people from kind of getting into some?
27:06 Speaker 04 Cat has like a huge domain of vehicles that they sell of heavy of construction equipment that they sell and maintain and make a lot of money from selling, maintaining, upgrading, et cetera, to large fleets of.
27:18 Doug DeMuro? I know.
27:18 Speaker 04 Construction companies, et cetera.
27:19 Doug DeMuro? Are they not happy?
27:20 Speaker 04 Sell one more thing. That's kind of interesting.
27:23 Doug DeMuro? But Felipe.
27:23 Speaker 04 And by the way, it will be one, one more thing.
27:27 Doug DeMuro? You don't think they're gonna do it? I, I have to be honest, I'm a little, as, as, as a fan of the automakers, I'm a little disappointed in Caterpillar to see them.
27:35 Speaker 04 Using a Ford F-250.
27:36 Doug DeMuro? Step in. You think that's not, you think that's not a Silverado? The headlights are F-250.
27:41 Speaker 04 It's definitely a super duty. It's definitely a super duty.
27:42 Doug DeMuro? But the, the squared wheel arches are all.
27:44 Speaker 04 Definitely a super duty.
27:45 Doug DeMuro? I think it's just AI.
27:46 Speaker 04 The, the, the company said customers dreamed of torque and towing power. Those were the easy parts for Caterpillar. So we went further to see how we can help them even more.
27:54 Doug DeMuro? I'm a little bit anxious about this.
27:55 Speaker 04 Isn't it gonna happen?
27:56 Doug DeMuro? We all had an agreement, you know?
27:57 Speaker 03 Don't you think it should have been though, like the F-650 or like a sidekick?
28:01 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
28:01 Speaker 03 Or topkick? You like, like a true semi truck bottom to it?
28:05 Doug DeMuro? Yes. Why do you think it's not gonna be like that?
28:07 Speaker 03 Well, an F-250 is not that.
28:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, they're not gonna make it on an F-250. They're gonna build, they build construction.
28:12 Speaker 03 I don't want this to go to construction people. I want it to go to the, the top dog in the Midwest that just flexes on the neighbors.
28:19 Doug DeMuro? Having a Caterpillar truck.
28:20 Speaker 04 That is also the construction person usually.
28:22 Doug DeMuro? You have to assume, that's like how the Hummer got to, came to be, right? It was a military thing and then it went to the top dog in the Midwest that flexes on his neighbor.
28:28 Speaker 03 Right. Yeah.
28:28 Doug DeMuro? How many Hummers you see in Ohio when you were a kid?
28:30 Speaker 04 That was like probably a big deal.
28:31 Speaker 03 Neighbor or a friend's brother had one of those Chevy based like 6500 Topkick.
28:39 Doug DeMuro? No way.
28:40 Speaker 03 Cars. He put like a thou- a hundred thousand dollar stereo system so the whole floor was Plexiglas to see all the amplifiers and stuff and that was literally the king of the Midwest.
28:49 Speaker 04 Yeah, oh yeah.
28:49 Speaker 03 Like, it was so baller.
28:50 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's how we know you're from a rich town.
28:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. This guy really would be the king of the Midwest because Caterpillar's an Illinois company or something, right?
28:57 Speaker 04 Who knows?
28:57 Doug DeMuro? What do you mean, who knows? You don't, you're not, you're not interested in the-
29:01 Speaker 03 I believe they are in like Illinois. What did I say?
29:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, Peoria, Illinois.
29:06 Speaker 03 I was gonna guess Peoria.
29:07 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay.
29:08 Speaker 04 It's got the concept, it's not real.
29:09 Doug DeMuro? It's crazy to imagine in this day and age, anybody coming out with a gas, a new gas powered car. Every time there's like a new automaker or a new vehicle-
29:17 Speaker 03 It's diesel, certainly.
29:18 Doug DeMuro? Well, okay, but it's not electric.
29:20 Speaker 04 Of course that's diesel.
29:21 Doug DeMuro? It's Caterpillar. But it's like crazy to imagine, like every time we discuss-
29:25 Speaker 04 This isn't a new vehicle.
29:26 Doug DeMuro? A new brand.
29:27 Speaker 04 This is an F-250 with some livery.
29:29 Doug DeMuro? Re-badged F-250. If they actually do this-
29:31 Speaker 04 They're not doing this.
29:31 Doug DeMuro? They're going to build a full ground up truck.
29:34 Speaker 04 There's no shot that's happening.
29:35 Doug DeMuro? Why do you think that's not gonna happen?
29:36 Speaker 04 Because nobody else has tried either, for a reason. It's really expensive to develop a truck.
29:39 Doug DeMuro? It's, yeah, but it's, it's especially expensive to break into a segment with established names. But Caterpillar, if you're gonna do it, there's a name.
29:46 Speaker 03 Nothing says tough and heavy duty like, like that.
29:50 Speaker 04 Great logo, too.
29:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I agree. The best. Move on. What do we got?
29:54 Speaker 04 Thankfully, we're done.
29:54 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god, we're done with the news early today, which means we have a lot more things to talk about.
29:59 Speaker 04 Yes, we do.
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31:18 Doug DeMuro? Nick, tell us about the P38.
31:22 Speaker 03 I got on a three-way conference call last night.
31:24 Doug DeMuro? Oh my.
31:25 Speaker 03 Where an L322 owner, another L322 owner and I are thinking of each trading in a circle. So one 322 owner wants to upgrade to a nicer autobiography one, of which I would take his and then I would dump my P38 on the original guy, Hunter, who like is kind of owns a lot of P38s.
31:43 Doug DeMuro? Can I ask you a question?
31:44 Speaker 03 I'm legitimately considering it.
31:46 Doug DeMuro? This is the best one. This is an 09. This is an 09 autobiography. The dream L322.
31:51 Speaker 03 You had one that I used as a comp, which is a 2010 with timing chains done, which is the pinnacle one in this three-way trade.
31:57 Doug DeMuro? So there's cash involved here.
31:58 Speaker 03 Oh, for sure. Although all of us are well aware that our cars are largely valueless.
32:04 Doug DeMuro? Can I ask you? So you're gonna, you're gonna follow my footsteps again, huh? You know what's great? I don't mind. How did this start? How did you get on this three-way conference call?
32:12 Speaker 03 You're not gonna respond to that? I, there's no defense.
32:16 Speaker 03 The P30, I love the P38. The only way to get out of it would be to dabble in other Range Rover full sizes.
32:22 Doug DeMuro? I mean, correct, because you got the car.
32:23 Speaker 03 I'm looking for a life raft and someone threw one and said, hey, do you want to trade? And it's like, that is the only way I can financially justify getting out of it.
32:30 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna tell you, have you ever driven an L322? So much. No. I'm gonna tell you this. When you make the swap, you will never go back to a P38. And suddenly you'll be, you'll drive the L322 and be like, oh, this is why people like Range Rovers. I thought they were all rough, loud, awful, terrible pieces of trash that had good seating positions. But actually, they're really nice cars that have good seating positions.
32:52 Speaker 03 My eight-pillar trim fell off the other day while driving.
32:54 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
32:55 Speaker 03 And I tried to push it in. I go like that and just punched a hole through it. Now my eight-pillar is all in it.
33:02 Doug DeMuro? Did you disclose that on the three-way conference call?
33:05 Speaker 03 No, but I said it was rough.
33:07 Doug DeMuro? I'm gonna tell you something, this is the L322 you want, an 09 autobiography, that is the dream.
33:13 Speaker 03 That's before the engine change.
33:15 Doug DeMuro? It had some of the, it's had some of the interior and other upgrades that the 10s had, but it has the good, reliable powertrain, the 06 to 09s. And there are no 09s, because the 10 model year came out really early because they were facelifting it and the recession was in full swing.
33:28 Speaker 03 That blue strap one was so cool. Yeah, 06 to 09, you'll be fine, that's what we all said.
33:31 Doug DeMuro? 06 to 09, that's, 06 to 09s are the reliable ones.
33:35 Speaker 03 I'm serious, that's a known saying.
33:37 Doug DeMuro? Dude, I had an 06, I had an 06 for seven years, and it was one of the great cars that I've ever had. I had a ton of CarMax warranty issues, like the steering column break, but like, it never broke that car, like mechanically.
33:50 Speaker 03 Do you know the CarMax stuff's still going on? My friend Scott bought a CLS63, or is it CL63 now?
33:56 Doug DeMuro? CLS, that's correct.
33:57 Speaker 03 CL63, whoever traded in the CarMax, it needed a new trans. And so he got it, and then within one week, they replaced the entire trans. Mercedes quoted them 100 grand to do it.
34:07 Doug DeMuro? What?
34:08 Speaker 03 They found someone to rebuild it, because it was a new trans. For like, but he basically got like a $20,000 repair done, within like a week of getting this car.
34:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you know, the great story about that whole CarMax thing that I did, people did way worse.
34:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:21 Doug DeMuro? Like, I bought a $30,000 car and got like 30 grand over six years in repairs. There, when I bought my Range, there were E60 M5s at CarMax available.
34:31 Speaker 03 Can you imagine?
34:32 Doug DeMuro? There are absolutely people who got motors replaced for $50,000 in one service with a CarMax.
34:38 Speaker 03 Imagine being the guy that bought that E60 M3, and they're like, 3 grand for the warranty, like, ah, I don't know if it's worth it. And you decline it over 3 grand, and then are stuck holding a 20 grand back.
34:46 Doug DeMuro? I guarantee you that happened. Like, mine was like a death of a thousand cuts, there were a bunch of little $2,000 things here or there. But there are absolutely motors that CarMax has put in cars and all that stuff. And to this day, they won't sell. You know what was funny also? All I wanted when I bought my Range was a G-Wagon. CarMax wouldn't sell them, and still won't sell.
35:02 Speaker 03 What a mistake.
35:03 Doug DeMuro? That's the only reliable car! It wouldn't, I'm so glad they don't sell them, because it would never have been a story. That like launched my career.
35:09 Speaker 03 Right.
35:10 Doug DeMuro? And if they had sold that car, G- P wagons are incredibly dependable and incredibly robust. And instead they sold me this and paid out thirty eight thousand dollars in claims over six years.
35:18 Speaker 04 Love your Range Rover.
35:19 Speaker 03 That thing is still out there kicking it as far as?
35:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, still on the road, but I mean, it's on Antucket now and the eight miles away. So the whole island's eight miles wide. So, you know, ten miles. So like, it's probably only getting a thousand miles a year.
35:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:30 Doug DeMuro? It's not really being used.
35:31 Speaker 03 You know, I put two thousand miles on my P thirty eight.
35:33 Doug DeMuro? Really?
35:35 Speaker 03 Hasn't left me stranded once.
35:36 Doug DeMuro? Um, you know what we didn't talk about in the news segment that we should is Moda? Can we talk about Moda? Are we allowed to talk about Moda, Sean?
35:42 Speaker 03 I had that in my top cars, actually.
35:44 Doug DeMuro? Pull up. Can you pull up some Moda pictures?
35:46 Speaker 03 Sadly, Kenan was sick and unable to join because he was there.
35:48 Doug DeMuro? There. Kenan was there during the hurricane.
35:51 Speaker 03 Great pictures of the cars in standing water.
35:53 Doug DeMuro? Folks, Moda is some event. I have no idea. And it was in Miami and it, there was incredible rainstorm and windstorm. And did you see the video of the kids in the golf cart where the thing falls?
36:04 Speaker 03 Hoovy shared it because you could see his gullwing in the background.
36:06 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I saw his gullwing back there. There's like a singer that something almost falls on. There are probably.
36:11 Speaker 03 Look at that dude. He looks like, like noodle in a rainstorm. That hair.
36:16 Doug DeMuro? There are probably open roof cars that were like damaged.
36:20 Speaker 03 There was that like Koenigsegg Yescow or whatever it was that like the, the front bumper was like in water.
36:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but you've got to assume there, there are cars being exhibited that have no top at all.
36:30 Speaker 03 Yep.
36:30 Doug DeMuro? I mean.
36:31 Speaker 03 Whenever these stories come up and I bring, I've mentioned it to my wife and I'm like, the poor cars. And she's like, I'm sure people died. There were far worse harm. And I'm like, no, those are priceless.
36:39 Doug DeMuro? Wild. People didn't die. It was just, it was honestly, it was a fairly typical Florida midday rainstorm, except with a lot more wind. Cause it was over pretty quick, but like it, did you not see these before?
36:49 Speaker 03 No, I did. I mean, the stanchions that have fallen down.
36:52 Doug DeMuro? Was falling over like just ridiculous. A two fifty LM. That's a twenty million dollar car. You know, and Hoovy's gullwing is sitting right there. Those giant things behind it. Looks like a hell of an event. You know, I have a.
37:02 Speaker 03 Although the cars that, I wish I had gone despite the rain, like the cars there did look next.
37:07 Doug DeMuro? I have a feeling that the Moda people are kind of embarrassed that all this happened. Personally, I think that makes this the coolest event. Like if, if, if it had gone out without rain, you would have seen some pictures and then forgotten about it next week. We will never forget about this. Filippo, do you wish your car had been there?
37:23 Speaker 04 No.
37:24 Doug DeMuro? Do you wish you had been there?
37:25 Speaker 04 No.
37:25 Doug DeMuro? Okay, good, good.
37:27 Speaker 04 Can I just, I want to go back to Range Rover for a second?
37:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
37:29 Speaker 04 Your experiences with your steering column?
37:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
37:32 Speaker 04 Make me truly scared to use my
37:35 Doug DeMuro? Power steering column.
37:36 Speaker 04 Power steering column.
37:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
37:37 Speaker 04 Cause like what, I, I wouldn't have thought of how often they broke, except for your Range Rover where it broke often.
37:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, pretty often.
37:43 Speaker 03 Speaking of circling back to Range Rovers, if I may?
37:46 Doug DeMuro? Please.
37:47 Speaker 03 The P38 community, I'd like to apologize to everyone. A bad faith actor listed a car on another auction site in which they faked service records. Very clearly using what I assume is MS Paint, based on their level of sophistication, to fake both the dates and the amount paid. So that like a head, head job, a head gasket job was done like 15 years ago and they basically just updated the dates and numbers. It was easily discovered. Do not fake receipts, you idiots.
38:14 Doug DeMuro? Is this the same auction site where they had the cobblestone floor mats on the AI Cadillac?
38:18 Speaker 03 Perhaps.
38:19 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
38:19 Speaker 03 Perhaps.
38:20 Doug DeMuro? Um.
38:20 Speaker 04 Unfortunately.
38:21 Doug DeMuro? I watched that auction. Uh, wow.
38:24 Speaker 03 Pretty well.
38:24 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
38:25 Speaker 03 Pretty well. And of course it's a P38 person, you know, they mean like they're bringing our, our esteemed name and reputation into the mud.
38:32 Doug DeMuro? The irony is like, don't fake the receipts. The car is worth four grand if it, if it had a head, a head gasket done 15 years ago. If it had the head gasket done yesterday, it's worth 4,200.
38:41 Speaker 03 That guy's losing money either way.
38:42 Doug DeMuro? You're getting, you're not doing well.
38:44 Speaker 04 Four grand is so generous. His was free.
38:46 Doug DeMuro? What, type in P38 and let's kind of get it, let's kind of get a market, uh, report here.
38:50 Speaker 03 They're worth five grand, give or take.
38:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, go to highest price.
38:53 Speaker 03 Sure, five grand.
38:54 Doug DeMuro? Go to highest price.
38:55 Speaker 03 More, more, more.
38:56 Doug DeMuro? Go to highest price.
38:57 Speaker 03 That's an outlet. I, I still have the highest sold P38.
39:00 Doug DeMuro? 3,000.
39:01 Speaker 03 No.
39:02 Doug DeMuro? Oh no, someone beat me.
39:03 Speaker 04 Wow, with a, with an SE.
39:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:05 Speaker 04 How do you feel about that?
39:07 Speaker 03 In low miles.
39:07 Doug DeMuro? Low miles.
39:08 Speaker 04 Low miles, base, base wheels.
39:10 Speaker 03 Just want to live in it.
39:12 Speaker 04 I'm telling you dude, if you drive an L322, you will never set foot in a P38 ever again.
39:18 Speaker 03 I don't know.
39:18 Speaker 04 No.
39:19 Speaker 03 He's an L. Some of us like vintage cars, Doug. We, we appreciate.
39:22 Doug DeMuro? You hate the classic.
39:23 Speaker 03 You know, it's like your Countach, like we get in it, we're just like.
39:25 Doug DeMuro? You think the Range Classic is a horrible car?
39:27 Speaker 03 It's, it's the same car, just rustier. Well, I digress. The P38 community apologizes. Most of us don't fudge the receipts. We just accept the loss.
39:36 Speaker 04 If there's a community where I expect the fudging of receipts, it is the P38.
39:39 Speaker 03 It's the Rover Roulette community on Instagram.
39:41 Doug DeMuro? That's so true. I mean, you should just assume that's going on. Uh, okay.
39:44 Speaker 04 Sorry, are you gonna trade it for L322?
39:47 Speaker 03 We're, we're in discussions.
39:48 Speaker 04 How much money?
39:49 Speaker 03 No one can decide what our cars are worth. And then we're all like, oh, it's worth 20 grand to me, but I'll take five for it. Actual direct quote from the conversation.
39:58 Speaker 04 I'm gonna be honest, you got the car for free. The last two was over 26.
40:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's not a free car.
40:05 Doug DeMuro? What?
40:06 Speaker 03 It's worth it.
40:07 Doug DeMuro? It's worth the fall.
40:07 Speaker 03 I love it.
40:08 Doug DeMuro? How did you guys? Last week on this podcast, he was like, I'm done with cars. I'm not putting money into BS cars anymore. I'm so sick of just dropping money in stupid cars, doesn't get it back. He's 11 into a 97 Range Rover that was given to him for free. Then he put his hand through the A-pillar trim after it came off while he was driving.
40:25 Speaker 04 How did you get to $11,000?
40:27 Speaker 03 A death of a thousand.
40:28 Doug DeMuro? We were sitting over there 10 minutes ago and he said he wants to wrap it yellow, the whole car. You know what that's gonna cost? And then he goes, I think I'll just have the wrap done while I do the interior. What does "do the interior" mean? I'm terrified to find out.
40:40 Speaker 03 It'll be like a Congleton when I'm done. Or a singer.
40:43 Speaker 04 The one that you have sold on the site, I gotta just find that out. This one, right?
40:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's it. Seven grand. So it's gotta be worth, I don't know, 40% more now?
40:51 Speaker 04 This is yours?
40:51 Doug DeMuro? It was seven grand, three years.
40:53 Speaker 04 This is yours, right?
40:53 Doug DeMuro? You had L322 wheels on it?
40:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's yours.
40:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think that's mine.
40:57 Speaker 04 That's yours. It was worth seven grand, three years.
41:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:02 Speaker 03 Doesn't have all the holes in it.
41:03 Doug DeMuro? But now you're into it 11s, that's. No, someone paid seven grand for it. I don't know that it was worth it. Was that like a COVID thing or something? Uh, okay, Filippo, I want, it was actually, that was during the COVID market peak. Even P38s went up. Filippo, tell us about the pickup truck.
41:17 Speaker 04 Yeah, my pickup truck, the 1973 F250 that my wife and I inherited, is driving, it's running, it's running really nicely. Uh, shout out to David Iconic Automotive, who's done a really nice job with it.
41:27 Doug DeMuro? In Prescott, Arizona, right off the 66.
41:29 Speaker 04 Incorrect on that last part on Commerce Drive, uh, right off Willow Springs.
41:33 Doug DeMuro? I don't know, 17 would be off.
41:35 Speaker 04 No, we're like far, far west of that. It doesn't really matter. Uh, it is, uh, ready to come home to me. So now I'm working on getting it transported to here.
41:42 Doug DeMuro? Can't wait.
41:43 Speaker 04 And then I will need to do a bunch of things here. So he's like, runs, drives well. Uh, the tires are pre date code. So we think it's like late 90s.
41:52 Doug DeMuro? Why didn't you just put tires on?
41:53 Speaker 04 Because first I need to buy wheels because the wheels are 16 and a half inch.
41:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:58 Speaker 04 And a half.
41:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, because they had stuff like that, but can't, can't you find wheels?
42:03 Speaker 04 No. Sorry.
42:04 Doug DeMuro? Or can you find tires?
42:05 Speaker 04 I cannot find.
42:06 Doug DeMuro? A lot of vehicles from that era had tires.
42:08 Speaker 04 But they're all like highway trailer tires and I would like something a little.
42:13 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna do like some steelies?
42:14 Speaker 04 No, I will buy wheels and then add tires.
42:16 Doug DeMuro? He can't buy bad tires for his car. He's gonna be pitching around corners. He's gonna be down shifting.
42:21 Speaker 04 You can't have an F-250 on, on like the highway trailer tires. They just look so bad. They're like way too.
42:28 Doug DeMuro? Filippo.
42:28 Speaker 04 You need like.
42:29 Doug DeMuro? The vehicle in general doesn't look great.
42:32 Speaker 04 You need all terrain tires.
42:33 Doug DeMuro? You're gonna put super swampers on it?
42:35 Speaker 04 Uh, maybe. You need all terrain of some kind.
42:36 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god!
42:37 Speaker 04 No, we're not gonna put super swampers, but all terrain of some kind. I first, basically when it comes home, my wife and I will do a bunch of cosmetic things. The interior is in pretty rough shape. We'll clean it up. My wife is a very fastidious, meticulous person.
42:49 Doug DeMuro? You are too. Yeah.
42:50 Speaker 04 No.
42:51 Doug DeMuro? Well, I guess I've seen your desk, but I mean, you're detail oriented. You're just not clean.
42:56 Speaker 04 I'm not.
42:57 Doug DeMuro? Neat.
42:57 Speaker 04 That, that's. Every way of saying that is so.
43:00 Doug DeMuro? But it's, it's.
43:01 Speaker 04 No, I disagree.
43:02 Doug DeMuro? His desk, I've never seen like his desk.
43:04 Speaker 04 My desk is a little messy. Uh, my desk at home is clean for the record where I actually work most of the time.
43:09 Doug DeMuro? This is, he actually works at home. This desk, God knows how that stuff got there.
43:13 Speaker 04 Yeah. Uh, but so we'll do a bunch of like interior cleanup. The seat cover is like an old, like rug, basically as they all are. So we'll do a bunch of that and I'll get new wheels and new tires.
43:22 Doug DeMuro? I can't wait for this.
43:23 Speaker 04 I'm excited. Hopefully in the next week.
43:25 Doug DeMuro? What is interior cleanup? I mean, you're not gonna reupholster anything.
43:28 Speaker 04 No, but we'll do like a better seat cover. There's a bunch of like, you can't read the gauges because that plastic is too. I don't know how we'll clean that up, but.
43:34 Doug DeMuro? I think that you're overestimating what you need to do. Like you don't need to read the gauges. Like you don't.
43:40 Speaker 04 Need is not what I'm.
43:41 Doug DeMuro? It won't get carried away with speed.
43:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, or anything.
43:43 Doug DeMuro? Like I guarantee you'll be able to hear the motor when you're trying to, when it's time to shift.
43:46 Speaker 04 Need is not what I'm going for. Also, it's automatic. It doesn't matter.
43:48 Doug DeMuro? It's an auto?
43:49 Speaker 04 It's an auto.
43:49 Doug DeMuro? You're such a tip guy. The two of you are such tip guys.
43:52 Speaker 04 It'll be the second automatic car I've ever owned.
43:54 Doug DeMuro? God, all you guys and your automatics. You know, he only has automatics now.
43:57 Speaker 04 You have more automatics than I do.
43:59 Doug DeMuro? I got two.
44:00 Speaker 04 I have one. Till this car arrives.
44:02 Doug DeMuro? You have this truck. You have like six cars right now.
44:04 Speaker 04 You have three.
44:05 Doug DeMuro? You.
44:06 Speaker 04 Filippo's become a real car guy. We gave him so much crap for so long.
44:09 Doug DeMuro? You have a Sequoia. I don't have a station wagon. The, the, the station wagon is quite, oh, this. I forgot about this. Yeah.
44:17 Doug DeMuro? Tennis ball machine transporter.
44:20 Speaker 04 You're looking for a fourth automatic.
44:23 Doug DeMuro? I am.
44:24 Speaker 04 Uh, so I will have fewer, but I'm really excited for it to be here. My wife is incredibly excited for it to be here. Uh, it'll be very like.
44:29 Doug DeMuro? Can we, are we doing an F two fifty welcome party like we did this SLR party?
44:32 Speaker 04 Oh my God.
44:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we should.
44:34 Speaker 04 We should.
44:34 Doug DeMuro? I'll get in the, I'll get in the bed.
44:36 Speaker 04 We, and we should make it like, the dress code should be like nineteen seventies Americana.
44:40 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
44:41 Speaker 04 All right, let's do it.
44:42 Doug DeMuro? I'm in.
44:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:43 Doug DeMuro? I, I, we won't further define it and let everyone interpret how they may.
44:46 Speaker 04 And I can imagine.
44:47 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
44:48 Speaker 04 That your interpretation may not be politically correct. I would, I would assume.
44:51 Doug DeMuro? Why would you?
44:51 Speaker 04 That's why I want it to be at his house. I don't, I don't want my neighbors to know.
44:54 Doug DeMuro? You don't want to associate with this?
44:55 Speaker 04 No.
44:56 Doug DeMuro? Can I invite some of my neighbors?
44:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, of course.
44:57 Doug DeMuro? Cool.
44:58 Speaker 04 They would, they'd probably have it in their closet, ready to go. Um.
45:01 Doug DeMuro? I'm genuinely excited about this.
45:02 Speaker 04 Uh, my wife is a very like nostalgic.
45:04 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
45:05 Speaker 04 Uh, sentimental person and this truck will be really meaningful.
45:08 Doug DeMuro? Do you agree though, that after about four drives in it, she's going to be less nostalgic and sentimental? Do you know what I mean?
45:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:15 Doug DeMuro? Like she's going to be like, well, uh, I want to carry on his memory and I think by doing that, we will plant a tree.
45:23 Speaker 04 There is a real chance of that.
45:24 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
45:26 Speaker 04 She will look so cool in it the four times she drives.
45:28 Doug DeMuro? So cool at it.
45:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:29 Doug DeMuro? Our, our dog can have her, her head out the window.
45:31 Speaker 04 This thing's carbureted. I mean, they, he doesn't know what to do. They're not going to know what to do.
45:35 Doug DeMuro? We're at sea level with no elevation change and no temperature.
45:38 Speaker 04 Like I said, the fact that you think that that is going to, is going to, is going to solve your problems.
45:43 Doug DeMuro? It will solve. We have no expectation that it goes far. I have many expectations that in the first hundred miles of driving it.
45:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:49 Doug DeMuro? Some things, and I do mean plural, will break.
45:52 Speaker 04 If it breaks, you take it to Mossy Ford in Pacific Beach and you say to, that's where I take my Sequoia and it's to the Toyota one. And I, you say to him, hey.
46:00 Doug DeMuro? I got a Ford. Can you fix it? Hey, I bought this here. What do you mean you can't fix it?
46:05 Speaker 03 It's not under warranty anymore?
46:07 Speaker 04 I do gotta, I have to find out more about where the, I wonder, I have not looked through any of like the paperwork, the glove box. And I wonder if there's anything about the history of it. Cause I wonder where it came from.
46:16 Doug DeMuro? I would regardless, I would insist that they fix it for you.
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48:40 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk about my 993.
48:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
48:43 Doug DeMuro? I have this reddish 993.
48:46 Speaker 04 Arena.
48:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah, arena red there. You want to pull it up? It's on Instagram somewhere.
48:51 Speaker 04 I'm good.
48:51 Doug DeMuro? Okay. And I got an arena red 993 twin turbo. And it's, there's a few there. That same, that color. Yeah, might as well. Mine's a, it's a coupe. And I've been driving it everywhere with my children.
49:06 Speaker 04 That's so nice.
49:07 Doug DeMuro? Everywhere.
49:08 Speaker 04 They like it?
49:09 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Yeah. They're eight, they're gonna, they're gonna, I think I can be able to fit pretty soon.
49:13 Speaker 04 That's not true. They got time.
49:15 Doug DeMuro? I think I got a year, year and a half.
49:17 Speaker 04 They're still in regular car seats, not boosters.
49:18 Doug DeMuro? We've gotten the four of us in the car. My two kids in the back, my wife in the front.
49:22 Speaker 04 My.
49:23 Doug DeMuro? It's like getting a little tight.
49:24 Speaker 04 My niece and nephew were visiting a couple of weeks ago.
49:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
49:26 Speaker 04 And we, my nephew's nine. He fits just fine in the backseat.
49:29 Doug DeMuro? Your car, your 997 is quite a bit big.
49:32 Speaker 04 Is it bigger in the backseat? I haven't started to say.
49:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. The problem is specifically the legroom. But I do think I can transition in a booster regardless. I am driving my kids.
49:42 Speaker 04 A new booster in a 997 fits perfectly. Like it's like a snug, perfect fit in the bucket.
49:47 Doug DeMuro? Everywhere in this car. Everywhere.
49:50 Speaker 04 I love that.
49:51 Doug DeMuro? Like, we go to the, we go to the run errands, I take, pick them up, take them to school. We went to the, we did all sorts of stuff. Mommy was gone last weekend. We went all around and doing all sorts of kid stuff. And that's the thing.
50:02 Speaker 04 I love it.
50:03 Doug DeMuro? I love it too. I'm really happy to not be precious about this car. And it's been a wonderful family vehicle.
50:10 Speaker 04 Does it diminish the specialness of it?
50:11 Doug DeMuro? No.
50:12 Speaker 04 Good.
50:12 Doug DeMuro? It, it's fun to be able to actually use a special car for this purpose. And although I want other sports cars, two-seat sports cars, I really think that this garage spot has to be reserved for a four-seat car. And so my kids are no longer interested.
50:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
50:27 Doug DeMuro? Which I think that will happen.
50:28 Speaker 04 Your kids like enjoy it? Like they get a thrill out of it?
50:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they love it. They call it fast car. They're always begging me to go fast. My little one, who doesn't talk much because he's only two, he screams, "More daddy, more, more" when I go fast.
50:40 Speaker 03 Isn't it crazy how few cars there are when you have that breed of like sports cars, two-door sports cars with a usable backseat?
50:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
50:49 Speaker 03 I mean, like, your buying field to replace this with a similar use case is down to like a handful of cars.
50:55 Doug DeMuro? Especially if you want analog, safe enough, you know, the car seat tethers, stick. You're talking about cars like late 90s to early 2000s, and then the manuals all went away, and I don't have much interest in that. I know you're an automatic guy.
51:06 Speaker 04 Every Mustang, every Camaro.
51:08 Doug DeMuro? But I want.
51:09 Speaker 04 Every Challenger.
51:10 Doug DeMuro? I do think that 612 is a very likely possibility. Can you pull up a 612 to replace this car with?
51:18 Speaker 03 They're better if you don't look at them.
51:19 Doug DeMuro? I, it's grown on me a little bit, the 612 has.
51:23 Speaker 03 Can you pull up a different Ferrari and we'll just talk about the 612?
51:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, here, I'll give you another option.
51:28 Speaker 03 Like a 550 is a beautiful car. Yeah, 599, that works.
51:31 Doug DeMuro? Oh, God, yeah, 599 is beautiful. Two seats, though, which goes to your point. Hey, I'm not getting the 612 because it's beautiful. It's just the only damn car that actually fits my purpose. There's an FF.
51:43 Speaker 03 Here's a different Ford Focus.
51:46 Doug DeMuro? Ford Focus. FFs are cool, but they have this transmission issue that.
51:50 Speaker 03 And auto on laying in.
51:52 Doug DeMuro? And I don't do autos. Uh, yeah, I'm not getting a Ford Focus. It's like $700,000. Thanks, oh, dude. Anyway, loving the 993 turbo, truly driving it a ton with the kids. Have no, I've decided I'm just gonna let this car be used by children. And so as a result, like, they handprint it. They are, my older son is always like pulling on the seatbelt retractor, like, look, Daddy, look at this. They were trying to peel off the sticker on the windshield, on the side window that says Porsche Drive Block System, and I love that sticker because it's the incredibly idiotic.
52:26 Speaker 03 A mobilizer thing?
52:27 Doug DeMuro? A mobilizer. And it just feels right to have that. And there is a reminder of how poorly engineered that was every time you get in the car. It's like, don't touch that. But other than that, I have no, they plug it into the, to the C-Tech.
52:38 Speaker 03 That's what's hard. I love getting my kids excited about cars. I want them to be passionate about it. But when you get to a car, the price point of yours and where the, the next buyer is so.
52:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
52:48 Speaker 03 Detail oriented. Like that's a tough car to be like.
52:51 Doug DeMuro? I've just decided I know I'm gonna lose because of how I'm using it. The kids will kick the seat in front. I cut the leather to get the car seat tether. I'm gonna lose 20 grand, probably. But if I get two, three years out of driving my kids around in it.
53:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:03 Doug DeMuro? To me, at my situation, that's, that's where, and I'm sure everybody has a number like that. You know, like it's worth doing for a certain car is worth doing a certain thing. And I got no problem with it. And also that weeds out a lot of people. Like the fact that I cut the leather means that like, I don't have to talk to some of these people who
53:18 Speaker 03 True.
53:19 Doug DeMuro? might be buying a 993, you know what I'm saying?
53:21 Speaker 03 Also, you bought well.
53:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I bought it. All right. Uh, okay. We need to move on to the market report, which is brought to you by Ryan Lopez. Folks, I want to tell you something about Ryan Lopez. Couple of weeks ago, Ryan Lopez, he, he didn't some more content. I don't know. His air conditioning was broken and it's fixed now, but this weekend, this past weekend, he got me some wheels for my G-Wagon. Are you aware of this?
53:42 Speaker 03 Yes.
53:42 Doug DeMuro? I'm switching out my wheels and
53:45 Speaker 03 Proper ones.
53:46 Doug DeMuro? Here, move a little bit so people can see the wheels. The current wheels, I, I hate the current wheels. I, I, I like
53:51 Speaker 03 That's not the wheels that came on the car, right? So this will be your third set of OE wheels.
53:54 Doug DeMuro? Cause the first set of OE wheels was the grand edition wheels, which weren't OE to the car and I didn't like. Instantly got rid of those for these. These have been on the car for seven years. Now we're switching to the OE wheel on the car. Oh, wow.
54:05 Speaker 03 I don't remember what the G5 150. Those are not, the G5 wheels are my favorite.
54:10 Doug DeMuro? Those are nice looking, but I don't think, no, it wasn't these. That I don't think they fit on the, uh, 500. Anyway, the point is Ryan Lopez, he went and got me the wheels. This is almost a talk car segment and imagine the following transaction. A fellow who comes into the office an hour late because his air conditioning broke in February, trying to purchase wheels from a fellow on Facebook Marketplace, who is pretty, it sounded like pretty incompetent. So you have the, it's like these two forces trying to make this thing happen. You know what I mean? And needless to say, is a simple act of purchasing these wheels. They visited several different shops and it took many hours, but. We got the wheels. They're here.
54:54 Speaker 03 Why so many shops? Were you checking for Benz and such?
54:57 Doug DeMuro? No, no, because it's right, because it's a crazy Facebook Marketplace guy and Ryan Lopez. What do you think's gonna happen? That's not gonna be a smooth transaction.
55:04 Speaker 03 But why would you go to a shop?
55:05 Doug DeMuro? Because Ryan insisted, Ryan can't fit them in his car with the tires on. That's problem number one. He can, but he has golf clubs in there and like a surfboard and all this crap. Okay, so we, so he got it.
55:16 Speaker 03 He has the Tesla roof rails.
55:18 Doug DeMuro? Right, put your golf clubs on the roof, didn't do it. So, he, he, then he goes, he goes, alright, he goes, you'll take the tires off, right? He shows up and now Ryan Lopez is out of the blame. Guess what? Facebook Marketplace seller, hey, I'll take the tires off. You show up, guess what's not, what's still on the wheel?
55:34 Speaker 03 Oh boy.
55:35 Doug DeMuro? And then the guy tells Ryan Lopez, he's like, I'm gonna call a mobile tire guy. He's gonna come and take them off the wheels. And Ryan's like, it's like a Saturday in Irvine. The guy's not gonna show up for four hours. Anyway, they went to six different shops and eventually Ryan got the wheels. Uh, but it went badly. Let's move on. So that's the market, that's who's bringing us.
55:56 Speaker 03 I forgot where we're going with that.
55:59 Speaker 04 Can we start out with the one that is most interesting?
56:01 Doug DeMuro? The Z32? Oh yeah. Folks, I don't know if you saw it. We sold that 800 mile, 2004 WRX STI for $107,000.
56:12 Speaker 04 Record as far as we can tell.
56:14 Doug DeMuro? Record price for an 04 STI, record price for a blobby.
56:19 Speaker 04 I think for.
56:19 Doug DeMuro? Probably any 02 to 08.
56:21 Speaker 04 Whatever this generation's called.
56:24 Doug DeMuro? Tough, tough to see it go. Because it's going to Europe.
56:28 Speaker 03 It is going to Croatia.
56:30 Speaker 04 Wow.
56:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Um, and that's a little sad because.
56:34 Speaker 04 It is sad. I do hear that. I really excited for the buyer and I'm excited that somebody found it internationally. It is, they're gonna be putting in a bunch of extra money to get it to Croatia.
56:43 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
56:44 Speaker 04 Import it, title it, whatever.
56:45 Doug DeMuro? Mm-hmm.
56:46 Speaker 04 Like that, that's a real effort for an incredibly special car. They must be truly enthusiastic and truly.
56:52 Doug DeMuro? I mean, their search was global.
56:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
56:54 Doug DeMuro? Their search for this, a car this nice was global. I did see, we posted on Instagram and people were like, this is ruining the value of these cars. These cars are going up and everything's, it's like, no, look. You can still get a pretty rough STI for like six. This one sold for 107 because it has 800 miles. Trust me, this has no bearing on the 04 STI market. I promise. I mean, here is one literally last month, which is an 06 STI.
57:21 Speaker 04 With mods, sure, but.
57:23 Doug DeMuro? Eighty six hundred bucks. Yes.
57:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:25 Doug DeMuro? They are. They are still very available to you. The museum car deserves a museum result and goes to somebody who appreciates it to go to a museum. That's this car.
57:34 Speaker 04 It's an exciting option.
57:35 Doug DeMuro? And it's still sitting here waiting to get picked up. And I'm, I was very lucky that I was able to drive it. It was a car that I lusted after when I was a kid. So. Super cool to see one just like so clean and so perfectly preserved and so wonderful.
57:47 Speaker 04 It's an incredible car. A hundred eight, eleven thousand views, some of that obviously got a ton of attention. Then the next week, that will be ended by the time people are watching this.
57:56 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
57:56 Speaker 04 We have a sixty nine hundred mile, three hundred ZX, Z thirty two.
58:00 Doug DeMuro? Also an amazing car. God. What an incredible thing. I drove this car and I did not have high expectations because everybody talks about the Mark IV. And I was stunned when I drove it, how nice it was. Have you driven it?
58:10 Speaker 04 No, I've, I moved around the office because that needs to happen sometimes.
58:13 Doug DeMuro? It is so good to drive. It kind of reframed in my mind the Mark IV for me.
58:21 Speaker 04 Oh, okay.
58:22 Doug DeMuro? I've always wanted a Mark IV. And I still do. And I think a lot of that is because of how it looks and how cool it is and like the market perception and the, the general perception. But I think from a pure driving perspective, this might be better.
58:35 Speaker 04 I believe that.
58:36 Doug DeMuro? I loved how this car drove.
58:37 Speaker 04 You, you had a, an R thirty two GT-R.
58:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
58:40 Speaker 04 Which is, was not offered here. New, I think people have lusted over it as the Skyline GT-R was as better.
58:47 Doug DeMuro? There are pros and cons to each. This is a purpose-built sports car. And I think something that a lot of enthusiasts don't realize about the Skyline GT-Rs is that they were not purpose-built sports cars. They were commuter cars in Japan that then they made a coupe and then they made a high-performance coupe. This, this car certainly drives better than an R thirty, than an R thirty two in some ways. The steering's tighter, it's, it's clearly faster. However, the R32 is a lighter car. They added a lot of technology into this car that that kinda adds to the, it made it like the king, and that's why they brought it here. This was the king of Nissan's lineup, it wasn't the R32, but the result was, it was a little heavier and feels a little heavier, but it is so much fun to drive.
59:26 Speaker 04 It's a beautiful car.
59:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it still looks good. After all these years, it still looks good.
59:30 Speaker 03 It's like the Blobby too, though, where you're so used to seeing beat up ones. That this, it's striking how not beat up it is to see one.
59:37 Doug DeMuro? By the time this podcast goes live, the auction will have already closed. It's sitting at $85,000, which again, I'm sure when we post this video, "Oh my God, you're rooting for values!" Let me tell you, Z32s are cheap. Again, this car deserves to sell for a lot of money to someone who's really gonna appreciate it.
59:54 Speaker 04 The control layout is so cool in these cars.
59:56 Doug DeMuro? Have you been in it, repressed it, like the climate control?
59:58 Speaker 04 Wild. It's all around the steering wheel.
1:00:00 Doug DeMuro? There's all these, it's like cockpit, they're all thinking of cockpits, and so like, those are the climate controls. All of the climate controls are there, and the, and the-
1:00:08 Speaker 03 It looks like a walkie-
1:00:08 Doug DeMuro? Windshield wash, wipers.
1:00:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, it does.
1:00:11 Doug DeMuro? It's wild. And those are all fixed. The passenger has no access to this stuff.
1:00:16 Speaker 03 Honestly, it's kinda rude of the passenger to, it's up to the driver.
1:00:20 Doug DeMuro? I love this car. I really, really liked it. Much more than I expected to.
1:00:24 Speaker 03 Looks good in black, too.
1:00:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:00:26 Speaker 03 I don't say that about a lot of cars.
1:00:27 Speaker 04 We have a bunch of other low-mile cars, by the way. There's a JDM 80 series Lincoln that has really low miles. There's a TL that has really low-
1:00:34 Doug DeMuro? We have an 05 TL coming up with 12,000 miles. We'll get to that in a later podcast.
1:00:39 Speaker 03 I just drove it today.
1:00:40 Speaker 04 By the time you watch this, there'll be a Pathfinder, a first-gen Pathfinder, live.
1:00:44 Doug DeMuro? With 800 miles.
1:00:44 Speaker 04 With 800 miles.
1:00:45 Doug DeMuro? Drove that.
1:00:46 Speaker 04 It's a low-mile, couple months here at the office.
1:00:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it is.
1:00:49 Speaker 04 Crazy.
1:00:50 Doug DeMuro? Uh, anyway, those are some good market reports.
1:00:52 Speaker 04 I wanna talk about Resvanis.
1:00:53 Doug DeMuro? We gotta talk about Resvanis.
1:00:54 Speaker 04 I'm gonna just stop, everybody. Alright, yesterday, when we're filming this, we sold a Resvani tank. That's a thing for $175,000.
1:01:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:01:03 Speaker 04 Which feels like a lot of money for a Wrangler.
1:01:06 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, it's the military edition.
1:01:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, this one can release tear gas, among other things.
1:01:11 Speaker 04 Run flat tires, bulletproof glass, explosive protection, EMP protection, thermal night vision system.
1:01:18 Doug DeMuro? That's kinda cool.
1:01:18 Speaker 04 Wow, blinding lights, shocking doors.
1:01:20 Doug DeMuro? It's obviously ridiculous.
1:01:22 Speaker 04 That's so cool.
1:01:23 Doug DeMuro? It's obviously ridiculous, but I would also argue that for, yes, it is a Jeep Wrangler underneath and in the interior.
1:01:28 Speaker 04 So cool.
1:01:29 Doug DeMuro? But I would also argue that like for this price point, you're looking at G wagons, go to the rear image of this car. Like this thing, you get up behind that, you're thinking, what the hell is this?
1:01:39 Speaker 04 I know, this is insane. Also, the doors shock you.
1:01:42 Doug DeMuro? The doors apparently get shocked.
1:01:43 Speaker 03 If you're an actual celebrity or noteworthy person, like some of those features are actually pretty valuable.
1:01:49 Doug DeMuro? You probably wouldn't want to be driving around in the car that everybody's looking at.
1:01:53 Speaker 04 Nonetheless, I want to bring up because we sold a couple of Rovani, some other tanks, Hercules six by six. And now we're seeing this.
1:02:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah.
1:02:01 Speaker 04 A beast alpha.
1:02:01 Speaker 03 I didn't, I thought these were newer, but the 2018.
1:02:04 Doug DeMuro? It's based on the Lotus Elise.
1:02:06 Speaker 03 It's cool.
1:02:07 Doug DeMuro? Right, but it has a Honda, it's a Lotus Elise VIN, but it has a Honda four cylinder.
1:02:11 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:02:11 Doug DeMuro? And it's got these bizarre doors. Go back to the, the image of the doors. It's like, they like roll out like a minivan door. It's very bizarre. It also looks really good.
1:02:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:21 Doug DeMuro? I mean, I'm sure it must be bizarre and it's a one of four or something.
1:02:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's like a prototype car that somehow is titled.
1:02:27 Doug DeMuro? If someone, if Honda came out with an S2000 that looked like this tomorrow, people would lose their minds.
1:02:32 Speaker 04 And it looks like something that Honda would come out with.
1:02:34 Doug DeMuro? It does tomorrow. Yeah.
1:02:35 Speaker 04 Like the, the doors are so insane.
1:02:37 Doug DeMuro? Instead, we got the Prelude.
1:02:38 Speaker 03 You were talking about with the Caterpillar story, how hard it is to come up with a unique body style and all that, but like, these guys are doing it.
1:02:44 Doug DeMuro? They do it because they can just base it off an existing car. I bet you Ford wouldn't actually let Caterpillar like re-badge a truck, you know?
1:02:51 Speaker 04 Perhaps. I just, they, they made three of these. It has a 500 horsepower Honda Performance.
1:02:57 Doug DeMuro? That's pretty cool.
1:02:57 Speaker 03 They're going nuts.
1:02:58 Speaker 04 The, the side window door, like also somehow this was crashed. It has a, it has a salvage title or a re-badge title.
1:03:05 Doug DeMuro? I assume it was a crashed Lotus Elise that Rovani then got and like decided to mess with.
1:03:10 Speaker 04 Interesting. That's a very good point.
1:03:12 Doug DeMuro? But like, that was the only way this project was ever gonna start, if we're being honest.
1:03:16 Speaker 04 It does look so great. Also, how does this make any sense with this? Like, how is it the same?
1:03:22 Doug DeMuro? The Resvani model line, none of us really understand.
1:03:25 Speaker 03 They've got one based on the 911. I mean, they have like, they're just extreme cars. It doesn't...
1:03:31 Speaker 04 What is that? Is that an Urus? Is that an Urus?
1:03:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think so. I think that's an Urus.
1:03:35 Speaker 04 1000 horsepower, 2.8.
1:03:36 Doug DeMuro? This was a Dodge Ram, right?
1:03:39 Speaker 04 I can't remember.
1:03:40 Doug DeMuro? Or an Escalade?
1:03:40 Speaker 03 But they all, they all look like AI cars, except for I've seen all of these in person.
1:03:44 Doug DeMuro? All of them, except that one.
1:03:45 Speaker 03 Constantly around. No, I've seen that one in person as well.
1:03:47 Doug DeMuro? You've seen that one?
1:03:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:03:48 Doug DeMuro? They do look like AI cars. I didn't realize the beast's silver shell, dude, 585. Oh my God. Okay, folks, buy it on Cars and Bids. I don't know what the reserve is, but I guarantee it ain't 585. This is a bargain.
1:03:59 Speaker 04 I actually think that one's no reserve.
1:04:01 Doug DeMuro? Alright, I want to talk about one other market report situation, which is the Black Series. We sold last week a crazy C63 Black Series. This car sold for $68,000. Black Series, I mean, there's 500 of these in the world, or some crazy number. Very cheap. 132,000 miles.
1:04:19 Speaker 04 I love that. Yeah.
1:04:20 Doug DeMuro? Someone was like, "I'm just gonna daily my Black Series." 800 for the globe of these cars.
1:04:25 Speaker 03 Wow. I didn't realize they were that rare.
1:04:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:04:28 Speaker 03 It's a good-looking car.
1:04:29 Doug DeMuro? Good-looking car. It's also a low wing, which is less desirable. So you have high mileage, low wing. I honestly think the number was still pretty strong, considering the mileage. These are very rare cars.
1:04:38 Speaker 04 A regular C63 with 130,000 miles is a $12,000 car.
1:04:45 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but a, but a Black Series with no miles is probably a 200 car, so. It's, it's, we, we had no idea what number to put on it.
1:04:52 Speaker 04 No, it was no reserve. Yeah, yeah.
1:04:53 Doug DeMuro? It had to be, because no one, there was no cop in the whole world.
1:04:57 Speaker 03 What's surprising is despite that mileage, it looks to be a pretty nice car.
1:05:00 Doug DeMuro? Plus, it's still, all these years later, it still looks cool. Don't you think? That rear, the rear flare out, and the, the C63 Black Series was the least cool of them. But it's still cool as hell.
1:05:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was, it was pretty subtle as far as Black Series go, but it looks good.
1:05:14 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. I'm so into that car. And I'm glad it sold, and I'm glad it sold, and I'm glad it sold what I consider to be pretty well considering the miles, honestly. Uh, well photographed, well presented car, uh, from a good dealer.
1:05:25 Speaker 04 Shout out to Nexus Auto Brokers.
1:05:26 Doug DeMuro? Wait, I want to talk about one more.
1:05:27 Speaker 04 What?
1:05:28 Doug DeMuro? All right.
1:05:28 Speaker 04 We have a bunch of celebrity cars live.
1:05:30 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, Nick, you gotta get into this. Nick did this.
1:05:32 Speaker 03 I lost my mind. I'm not really a sports person. I know who Reggie is, sort of.
1:05:37 Doug DeMuro? Reggie Jackson.
1:05:38 Speaker 03 I had to double check what sport he was famous from, but I knew he was a sports player.
1:05:42 Speaker 04 It says owned by baseball hall.
1:05:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's, that's how hard I had to check, just reading the subtitle. But, okay, so Range Rover sports have never really been like a sought after car that someone would seek to preserve. However, the backstory, so you have a great backstory from him, and he specifically sought this car out, took time and energy.
1:06:01 Doug DeMuro? There was a quote.
1:06:02 Speaker 03 Find one, yes.
1:06:03 Doug DeMuro? Even the listing from Reggie Jackson.
1:06:04 Speaker 03 This lady has been put to bed every night with milk and cookies. This is a direct quote from the seller, and I love that you included that. And it's only got 10,000 miles now. He bought it with 3,000 miles. I mean, to say it is the most pristine Range Rover sport is just such a massive honest statement.
1:06:19 Doug DeMuro? Does the, does the market care about that? We'll find out.
1:06:22 Speaker 03 It's already at 15,000, which is good for a Range Rover.
1:06:25 Doug DeMuro? Is it a blue interior? I was looking at the pictures and I am astonished, it's black, I am astonished by how nice it looks. The backseats are like, I mean, backseats are often pretty nice in cars. This car's never been used by anybody. And Reggie, it goes, in his statement, he goes into how much he likes low mileage cars. Clearly, he like bought it and wanted to keep it like.
1:06:43 Speaker 03 Well, you can see the background of some of the other photos, you can see other cars that are not necessarily collector cars traditionally.
1:06:48 Doug DeMuro? I disagree.
1:06:49 Speaker 03 But you can tell are like kept to that standard.
1:06:51 Doug DeMuro? Cars, yeah. Like this 4Runner, there's a 4Runner back there that I bet's got the same. Anybody, if you buy this Range Rover, ask Reggie about his 4Runner, you might be able to get a twofer.
1:07:00 Speaker 03 Well, and it's, you, so you Google Reg, uh, Reggie Jackson's car collections, you see like Meacham results, like, but real cars.
1:07:07 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:07:08 Speaker 03 But he's one of us. He's also like, he's like the kind of guy that would own an SLR and a P38, or a G-Wagon cab and a Countach. Like, he has a crappy car and a good car.
1:07:17 Doug DeMuro? Never forget.
1:07:18 Speaker 03 They cancel each other out.
1:07:19 Doug DeMuro? That after Gas Monkey Garage put that F40 back together, they sold it to Reggie Jackson. And he had it for a little while, and then he sold it to a Ponzi schemer, and then I tried to buy it, and, uh, unfortunately, the seller was a Ponzi schemer.
1:07:35 Doug DeMuro? Gonna be tough.
1:07:37 Speaker 04 I want to talk about one other celebrity car.
1:07:38 Speaker 03 That, I can't wait to see how that ends. So I'm so into that.
1:07:42 Doug DeMuro? How does, how do you put a number on a, it's not even a full range, a full-size Range Rover. So how do you put a number on a super-low-mile Range Rover Sport?
1:07:50 Speaker 03 I Oakland.
1:07:51 Doug DeMuro? That was a Reggie Jackson, oh, it's bizarre.
1:07:53 Speaker 03 In period, I thought the sports were really cool and I kinda wanted one.
1:07:56 Speaker 04 They were cool.
1:07:56 Speaker 03 Now, I want nothing to do with it.
1:07:58 Doug DeMuro? But Reggie didn't buy it because it's a sport or a full, he bought it because it was a low-mile car. Like he said, and so it was just what was available. Oh, this looks pretty cherry.
1:08:06 Speaker 03 Add it to your list of low-mile Survivor cars you've got for sale, but that thing is just, I love every, every word of that option.
1:08:13 Doug DeMuro? So good.
1:08:14 Speaker 04 Shout out to Aerosmith drummer Joey Kramer, who has, who's selling an LC-500 and an RS3 with us.
1:08:20 Doug DeMuro? Aerosmith drummer Joey Kramer is selling these cars with us. This LC is legit. It's a 24, so this is the one you want. It's the updated infotainment, it's owned by Aerosmith. Look at those drumsticks in the listing, he's signed them, folks.
1:08:34 Speaker 03 Killer. He's off cars.
1:08:36 Doug DeMuro? He was liquidated.
1:08:37 Speaker 04 Or, or maybe he's consolidating up. We don't, we don't know.
1:08:40 Doug DeMuro? This guy is a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Nick, you ever, you ever a Hall of Fame member?
1:08:44 Speaker 03 I'm from Cleveland-ish.
1:08:46 Doug DeMuro? You want to hear an interesting story about Hall of Fames? Type in to your search bar.
1:08:51 Speaker 04 These match the color.
1:08:52 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, that's, that's even cooler.
1:08:54 Doug DeMuro? But not the LCs.
1:08:55 Speaker 04 No, but they match the RS3 colors.
1:08:57 Doug DeMuro? Type into your search bar Nevada Hall of Fame license plate. I'm about to change your entire life today, Felipe.
1:09:03 Speaker 03 Alright, I will, I will participate.
1:09:04 Doug DeMuro? Nevada Hall of Fame, Sean, you have to edit out Felipe's slowness. Hall of, okay, it's fine.
1:09:10 Speaker 03 Hall of Fame license plate.
1:09:14 Doug DeMuro? Alright, go to images.
1:09:17 Doug DeMuro? Nevada has a license plate that says on the side of it, "Hall of Fame," and you're thinking...
1:09:21 Speaker 03 I think I sold one of those for you.
1:09:22 Doug DeMuro? You're thinking, "What does this mean?" Here's the answer. If you were a member of a Hall of Fame, I swear to God, this is true.
1:09:28 Speaker 03 Any Hall of Fame?
1:09:29 Doug DeMuro? Any Hall of Fame, as long as you can prove it. When you register your car, you can get the Hall of Fame license plate. I swear to God.
1:09:38 Speaker 04 How many are out?
1:09:39 Doug DeMuro? You've got to assume three. It's ridiculous on its face.
1:09:42 Speaker 04 Well, what happens if they get a thousand?
1:09:44 Doug DeMuro? They go to letters.
1:09:46 Speaker 03 Not only do you have to be in the Hall of Fame, but then you have to want to display it on your plate.
1:09:49 Doug DeMuro? And it's generic. It's not like it says baseball Hall of Fame. You're just a Hall of Famer of something.
1:09:56 Speaker 03 Can we start our own Hall of Fame, then people from Nevada can reach out?
1:10:00 Doug DeMuro? We should look up the rules. We should look up the license plate rules and see what actually is required.
1:10:05 Speaker 03 Technically, Filippo and I are number two and number three on the most followed people on Cars and Biz.
1:10:08 Doug DeMuro? That's a Hall of Fame.
1:10:09 Speaker 03 It's the Hall of Fame.
1:10:10 Doug DeMuro? Show up. This is an actual thing. Obviously, no other state has it, although Massachusetts has a license plate for Olympians. And so does Rhode Island. Okay.
1:10:18 Speaker 04 I'm gonna say, I am annoyed that Nick is above me here.
1:10:22 Speaker 03 We're three and four.
1:10:23 Doug DeMuro? It's not even close anymore.
1:10:24 Speaker 04 I know.
1:10:24 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you might beat out Hoovy here.
1:10:26 Speaker 03 I'm catching up.
1:10:28 Doug DeMuro? We don't want to, folks, go follow Hoovy. Go follow Hoovy. Hoovy's real. Nick is...
1:10:32 Speaker 04 Follow me.
1:10:33 Doug DeMuro? Nick's an automatic guy.
1:10:34 Speaker 03 I'm selling real cars on this site.
1:10:35 Doug DeMuro? We can't have automatic transmission Nick be second. I agree. Hoovy has sold real cars. Click on his profile.
1:10:40 Speaker 03 Yes, Hoovy sells a lot. By the way, he posted a video today in which he went to sell a couple cars. Think we should have a word with him.
1:10:46 Doug DeMuro? Okay. All right. What's he trying to sell?
1:10:48 Speaker 03 The MyBok 62.
1:10:49 Doug DeMuro? Oh, you want to have a...
1:10:52 Speaker 03 He's already floated it to me, and I'm just never in a position at the moment he floats, but...
1:10:56 Doug DeMuro? Hoovy sold a ton of stuff. Where you been on these cars?
1:10:59 Speaker 03 Uh, okay. I've been on a couple of them.
1:11:01 Doug DeMuro? We gotta move on to questions. Questions, of course, are brought to you by Nick's collection of automatic transmission cars. Nick, he only likes automatics. Uh, okay.
1:11:10 Speaker 03 Panted.
1:11:11 Doug DeMuro? First question from Century Bug. Oh, by the way, you can ask us questions. carsandbids.com, click on Community. There'll be a post in there that says questions. Do it, because this week's questions were not good. It goes up and down.
1:11:21 Speaker 04 That's so sad.
1:11:21 Doug DeMuro? There's great ones, and there's bad ones. There's great ones, and there's bad ones.
1:11:24 Speaker 04 There were like 400 of them.
1:11:25 Doug DeMuro? We need good questions, folks. We thrive on them. From Century Bug, this is one for you. Hey Doug, in 2018, you awarded the Hummer H2 the dubious honor of being the most embarrassing vehicle you can drive. Has the title changed hands since then?
1:11:43 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:11:44 Doug DeMuro? To what?
1:11:44 Speaker 03 Cybertruck.
1:11:45 Doug DeMuro? That's what came to mind.
1:11:46 Speaker 03 I mean, it is such an emblematic, it is the H2 in every way. It's like ostentatious in your face, hard to miss, bought by a particular buyer segment.
1:11:54 Doug DeMuro? And I would argue the H2 is getting a little connoisseur-y.
1:12:00 Speaker 03 I'm into the H2 so well.
1:12:01 Doug DeMuro? Go to H2, like when I see one now, the ones that have, did not get exported to Russia, did not get horribly modified.
1:12:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, the super clean OE ones.
1:12:09 Doug DeMuro? Like the ones that are left.
1:12:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:11 Doug DeMuro? Which none of these are.
1:12:13 Speaker 03 The SUT, no, this one's pretty nice.
1:12:15 Doug DeMuro? It's pretty nice. It's got some wheels, but it's pretty nice. Do you see them and you're like, you know? It's not as embarrassing as it used to be.
1:12:21 Speaker 03 And they're not as big and gaudy as they used to be because all other cars have gotten so big.
1:12:24 Doug DeMuro? They don't look that big anymore. You see an H2, like, is that an H3? We don't know.
1:12:27 Speaker 03 Right. It's definitely not the H2 anymore.
1:12:30 Doug DeMuro? It's probably the Cybertruck. I agree with you. I can't think of anything more embarrassing than the Cybertruck, can you?
1:12:37 Speaker 03 There are, and I think about this a lot when I see them on the road, but the Cybertruck's the lowest hanging fruit, I think, of all these cars.
1:12:44 Doug DeMuro? Wait, QX50?
1:12:45 Speaker 03 No.
1:12:46 Doug DeMuro? No. QX50?
1:12:47 Speaker 03 It's too nondescript to be that.
1:12:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but.
1:12:50 Speaker 03 It's too nondescript, because otherwise my answer would be the BZ4X.
1:12:53 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, BZ4X.
1:12:55 Speaker 03 Why did you make that decision?
1:12:56 Doug DeMuro? BZ4X.
1:12:57 Speaker 03 Have you Googled? It's very, the mainstream doesn't get these, though. Like, these are just for us.
1:13:02 Doug DeMuro? Did you do any research?
1:13:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think the Cybertruck.
1:13:06 Doug DeMuro? Have you Googled? That is what I want to ask people who have BZ4Xs. What happened? Was the lease deal, was, your lease was ending and it was in your RAV4 and the deal was so good?
1:13:18 Speaker 03 You gotta hope.
1:13:18 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, it's either BZ4X or a Cybertruck. Oh, by the way, when we post this, people are gonna freak in the comments. The Cybertruck's not embarrassing? What are you talking about? You're a bunch of liberals.
1:13:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's, it's tough to look at. I'm trying to think of other things that are in that.
1:13:34 Doug DeMuro? And it's also because, like, you know the person driving loves it. Yeah, this is cool, right, guys? Right, right? That's how like all Cybertruck owners like are mentally. And it's like, no.
1:13:45 Speaker 03 I think they're past like of the stages of grief. They're more into like the um bargaining stage where they're like, okay, well, it's functional. It has all these advantages like they're justifying it rather than trying to go on face value. If it looks cool.
1:13:57 Doug DeMuro? I think they still think it looks cool. And I think that it only looks cool to other Cybertruck owners or prospective Cybertruck owners. And the rest of us are all like.
1:14:06 Speaker 04 And I think they're all regretting losing 50 grand.
1:14:09 Doug DeMuro? Tell you this, Reggie Jackson, he ain't driving no Cybertruck.
1:14:12 Speaker 03 So cool. New hero.
1:14:14 Doug DeMuro? Uh, next question from MVSJ. Doug, this week, Harry took a Cullinan off road to do donuts around his farm. When do you think you'll hit this level of degaff with car reviews?
1:14:26 Doug DeMuro? Every time I think I don't care the most, like we do one of these podcasts and I say stuff that I absolutely shouldn't have said. Harry does donuts in a Cullinan or buys a Levante.
1:14:36 Speaker 04 Donuts in a Cullinan doesn't sound that extreme.
1:14:38 Doug DeMuro? No, but he just doesn't.
1:14:40 Speaker 04 We can go do that.
1:14:41 Doug DeMuro? Can we? Sure. I'm busy. I got stuff going on. Harry doesn't. He gets a Cullinan and he does donuts in soft mud.
1:14:47 Speaker 04 Well, if we had soft mud, we'd do it.
1:14:48 Doug DeMuro? We don't have soft mud. We don't have the time. We're doing other stuff that we do care about. Like, Harry is a winner.
1:14:55 Speaker 03 Where? But we got, we could find a guy. I mean, you just need water and dirt.
1:14:59 Doug DeMuro? But it never rains and it's not dirty.
1:15:01 Speaker 03 It rained a ton last month.
1:15:03 Speaker 04 You just need water and dirt.
1:15:04 Doug DeMuro? The point is.
1:15:05 Speaker 03 Sean's got a guy. Producer Sean with the bad color G. We haven't brought him up yet. He had a dirt guy, remember when we did the adventure series? And he's like, I got a guy that has like a sand area. And he did.
1:15:17 Speaker 04 True.
1:15:17 Doug DeMuro? But you know, but think about what you're saying.
1:15:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:19 Doug DeMuro? In order to do that, we have to drive out to the sand area, get the dirt guy, get a watered down sand guy. Harry just takes a Cullinan and does donuts.
1:15:26 Speaker 03 Was this a viewer car?
1:15:28 Doug DeMuro? I, I didn't, I haven't seen this episode yet, but I will.
1:15:31 Speaker 03 The, related note, but that Benteke at the fat ice race that someone did an overland build on. So cool. I'm so here for it. No, they're never gonna build a Lemieux or a Dominator.
1:15:42 Doug DeMuro? It's a wild build.
1:15:43 Speaker 04 It is. It looks great.
1:15:43 Doug DeMuro? It's an unbelievable build.
1:15:45 Speaker 03 And it looks so good. Like there is no reason.
1:15:47 Speaker 04 That was not a good typing.
1:15:49 Doug DeMuro? It looks so good.
1:15:51 Speaker 03 That should be an OE car.
1:15:52 Doug DeMuro? It wasn't done, yeah.
1:15:53 Speaker 03 Tomorrow.
1:15:54 Doug DeMuro? Totally should be an OE car. If they did this, it would be like G wagons. Why don't you do this Bentley?
1:15:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, four by four squared for Bentley, basically.
1:16:01 Doug DeMuro? It's so cool. Those wheels are so cool.
1:16:03 Speaker 03 That roof rack, everything.
1:16:05 Doug DeMuro? Everybody's always like, if I was rich, I would daily drive it at forty. If I was.
1:16:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:09 Doug DeMuro? I would make a Bentley. I can't afford to do that, unfortunately. I would love to.
1:16:14 Speaker 04 Can you not? I mean, what's a Benetaga? Fifty grand, fifty grand?
1:16:16 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but this is all custom stuff.
1:16:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, this is a new one.
1:16:18 Doug DeMuro? There is, there is no, this is a new one, yeah, but there is no suspension parts and.
1:16:23 Speaker 03 You have to imagine though, all the Cayenne overland parts have some cross compatibility.
1:16:28 Doug DeMuro? Maybe, maybe you're right. There's the bumper is, is custom fab though. Like this is, this is, this was work. This was work.
1:16:34 Speaker 04 Benetagas are sixties.
1:16:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. God, I still want one so bad.
1:16:38 Speaker 04 Consider it sixty. Can I also say?
1:16:39 Doug DeMuro? That one's in Louisiana.
1:16:40 Speaker 04 Uh, the, I also am a fan of the Rivian Rad.
1:16:43 Doug DeMuro? Cars in Louisiana are always cheaper.
1:16:45 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, the Rad stuff's pretty cool.
1:16:46 Speaker 04 Like, it looks cool.
1:16:47 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of, the next question comes from Cars for Africa. I want to address this question, even though it's not, doesn't include you guys, and I apologize. Cars for Africa, Doug, you sang the praises of the R1T in one of your long reviews of any car. You gave it close to one of the highest Doug scores. Then you said the same thing about the R1S. You have an EV charger at home and has three rows for your family. It's a capable off-road SUV. It looks great. Why do you not have one? Because, um, we have two cars, uh, for, for family purposes. One, I get this question all the time, which is why I'm answering this. Um, yeah, you count the nine nine three.
1:17:14 Speaker 03 I do.
1:17:14 Doug DeMuro? That, we had a few cars, but the main cars, we have two cars. And, um, my, my big Sequoia, I only, I use to drive across the country. And I, you can't drive across the country in an electric car. Now, there's a lot of people, I drove across the country in an electric car. It takes too long for me. Uh, I, I like to do sixteen hundred mile days and you ain't doing that in no electric car. I'll tell you that. So that's why I have not bought an electric car to replace that car. And the other car is smaller and we don't want a full-size SUV for that, like around this city.
1:17:44 Speaker 04 I will say, and EV is such an obvious fit for that other car.
1:17:47 Doug DeMuro? It is.
1:17:48 Speaker 04 Mercedes doesn't offer an EV class wagon.
1:17:49 Doug DeMuro? When there is an EV Mercedes Benz station wagon, we'll, um, make that move.
1:17:53 Speaker 04 No, because they won't have three rows.
1:17:57 Speaker 04 You're stuck with your 213 forever. I'm not even joking.
1:18:01 Doug DeMuro? I gotta get filled to do the alignment. All right, um, here's a question from, there are a couple of good ones, I admit now. Okay, big skier guy, Filippo, how's your 997.2 Targa 4S after a few months?
1:18:12 Speaker 04 It's so good. It's just such a competent car. It was, it was fun to have kids in the backseat and like, show them a sports car. They're used to a 2014 Corolla and a Subaru Outback.
1:18:23 Doug DeMuro? Jeez.
1:18:24 Speaker 04 So it was, I think, very fun for them to be in something a little sportier. But also like, I've been daily driving it. I drove to LA two days ago, driving around traffic here around San Diego, use it every day. It's so good. It's so competent. It's just able to do all the things really well. And it's fun and it sounds great and I really, really like it.
1:18:40 Doug DeMuro? I came up on one today on the road.
1:18:42 Speaker 04 I know, I can't believe that.
1:18:43 Doug DeMuro? A 997.2 black Targa 4S.
1:18:45 Speaker 04 It wasn't me.
1:18:46 Doug DeMuro? And I was on, I was merging onto the freeway and it was up there. I was like, that's Filippo, I gotta catch up to him. And it was an old guy.
1:18:52 Speaker 04 Yep, that's every other owner of 997.2. But I legitimately love my car very much.
1:18:57 Speaker 03 Any, any regrets?
1:18:58 Speaker 04 None.
1:18:59 Doug DeMuro? Really?
1:19:00 Speaker 03 Anything you don't like about the car?
1:19:01 Speaker 04 No.
1:19:02 Doug DeMuro? The wheel color, the wheels.
1:19:03 Speaker 04 The wheels are a little bit, were refinished at some point and are a little bit dark.
1:19:09 Doug DeMuro? They look like permanently bright.
1:19:10 Speaker 04 They, they do look a little permanently bright.
1:19:12 Doug DeMuro? You gotta paint the wheels.
1:19:13 Speaker 04 At some point, I think I will.
1:19:15 Doug DeMuro? You know what? I'm gonna give you right now, I'm gonna give you some cash. Nick, you got any money?
1:19:19 Speaker 03 I honestly don't.
1:19:22 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you know what you do?
1:19:23 Speaker 03 My, my daughter's about to lose her tooth and we needed tooth fairy money. And I was like, I literally have $2 and I put it in a safe so that I wouldn't spend it, so that if her tooth falls out, we're prepared.
1:19:32 Doug DeMuro? What are you giving? I got friends, Nick, listen to this. I got friends.
1:19:35 Speaker 04 Congratulations.
1:19:36 Doug DeMuro? Whose tooth came out, the daughter, and they gave her 20 bucks.
1:19:39 Speaker 04 What?
1:19:39 Doug DeMuro? Do you believe that?
1:19:40 Speaker 04 That's insane.
1:19:41 Doug DeMuro? Do you believe that?
1:19:42 Speaker 04 Inflation is real, but yeah.
1:19:43 Doug DeMuro? Come on. I was like, oh my God, is that the expectation? I gotta give my kid 20 bucks?
1:19:47 Speaker 04 I'm not doing 20 bucks.
1:19:48 Doug DeMuro? What do you give?
1:19:49 Speaker 04 $2 apparently.
1:19:50 Speaker 03 I, I honestly, I think one's fine.
1:19:52 Doug DeMuro? I think I got like a half dollar when I was a kid or something like that.
1:19:55 Speaker 04 I don't remember. I, Lira were worth nothing, so who knows?
1:19:58 Doug DeMuro? Right.
1:19:59 Speaker 04 You probably got $10,000. Probably $10,000. It would've been like a thousand Lira.
1:20:04 Speaker 04 50 cents-ish.
1:20:05 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, next question.
1:20:07 Speaker 04 Get our Starbucks gift card.
1:20:09 Doug DeMuro? Next question from some bloke. Is there a market for a new Cadillac XLR based on the C8?
1:20:15 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:20:16 Doug DeMuro? You know, it's an interesting question because they tried the XLR and it kind of failed. It kind of got this reputation of being like a softer boomer Corvette. Cadillac is going to F1 now and they're in IMSA. And obviously they're trying to create these performance credentials. The only real performance cars they have are the blackling cars, which we have to assume go away. Um, you wonder, don't you?
1:20:38 Speaker 03 And I feel like Cadillac's image has improved a lot since the XLR where they were like
1:20:42 Doug DeMuro? Totally.
1:20:42 Speaker 03 super old man. Like they've got some good stuff.
1:20:44 Doug DeMuro? The problem, the problem is you'd have to, the E-Ray probably should have been a Cadillac.
1:20:48 Speaker 04 I think, I think if they did one, it would have to be E-Ray.
1:20:50 Doug DeMuro? You, you, you have to distinguish it somehow from the C8 and that's hard to do because the C8 now runs the total gamut.
1:20:57 Speaker 04 I know.
1:20:57 Doug DeMuro? But I actually think they, I don't think they're gonna do it because I think that they're, they're scared off and it's GM and they don't do it.
1:21:02 Speaker 04 They don't make it in cars.
1:21:04 Doug DeMuro? They don't make it.
1:21:04 Speaker 04 The only new Cadillacs you see are, are Escalade IQs.
1:21:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:21:08 Speaker 04 Truly.
1:21:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Right. It's a weird brain to go to F1. They should have gone to F1 with Chevrolet.
1:21:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, but I, I think it would, it could work. The E-Ray is the obvious contender. You re-style it, you make it look Cadillac-y, you make it a little bit more leathery and screen-y because that's what Cadillac is now.
1:21:24 Doug DeMuro? But the problem is the C8 is pretty nice inside. It would be hard to really upgrade it to the point where it would be comfortable. And one of the reasons that they were able to do it with the XLR is they ditched the regular powertrain and they put in the North Star because it was smoother. And that solved the problem that the Corvette had, which at the time was a C6 and it was rough. The drawback though is you, you lose this powertrain, you have to, at the time they had the North Star, they probably don't have a powertrain.
1:21:48 Speaker 04 Yep. I think you accept that you're not getting more power, but you're, you have a different, I think you have like a style-based selling point because everybody kind of accepted the C8 as in the most beautiful car.
1:21:56 Doug DeMuro? True. It's not refined and I think it would be difficult to, I guess my point is you would have to put in a different powertrain.
1:22:02 Speaker 04 Would you?
1:22:02 Doug DeMuro? The C8, it's, it's loud. It's really loud.
1:22:04 Speaker 04 I think you could quiet it down.
1:22:05 Doug DeMuro? Maybe.
1:22:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, I agree. The, the partial hybrid have like quiet modes. I would make it a shooting brake because that would distinguish it visually. And give a little bit more space for your golf clubs and everything.
1:22:15 Doug DeMuro? That would be cool as hell.
1:22:16 Speaker 03 And us enthusiasts, much like the original CTSV wagon, like all the magazine journalists and such would freak out over it.
1:22:22 Doug DeMuro? That would be cool as hell. If they did a C- that's, that is your differentiation.
1:22:26 Speaker 03 That Zagato Aston Martin shooting brake thing, like it was so cool for an otherwise weird car.
1:22:30 Doug DeMuro? Shooting brakes are have like a level of class that the regular car doesn't have. Pull up. I'm sure there's someone's done it. C8 Corvette shooting brake.
1:22:36 Speaker 03 You got it.
1:22:36 Doug DeMuro? Pull it up. Pull it up fully. Oh, you know, I did that in one of the videos. I was like, pull it up. And someone commented like Doug is a tyrant. And I'm like.
1:22:45 Speaker 03 Like, yes, what does that have to do with anything?
1:22:48 Doug DeMuro? I'm not, I don't need any of this. I don't care.
1:22:50 Speaker 03 It might be AI, but it's.
1:22:51 Doug DeMuro? It is AI, but you get the idea. Let's do that.
1:22:54 Speaker 04 Unfortunately, it would not be like black wingy and that we love the black wing because they're auto, they're, excuse me, they're manuals offered. They're like, they're cool.
1:23:01 Doug DeMuro? Go back.
1:23:01 Speaker 04 Nah.
1:23:02 Doug DeMuro? Look on that. Look on that one.
1:23:03 Speaker 04 It's a, it would not be that. There, there, there's no world where you have a manual.
1:23:06 Doug DeMuro? He's the tyrant.
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1:23:39 Doug DeMuro? No, you can't do a manual. You're right. So it would be, it would lose what some of the, some of the benefit of what the black wing has. However, that's cool as hell. We already ideated on this podcast. We created the Lincoln Bronco, the new Xterra, and now we are creating this. Do a shooting brake C8 and make it a Cadillac to lean into Formula One.
1:23:56 Speaker 03 And make it pretty.
1:23:58 Doug DeMuro? If Cadillac wins Formula One, they'll make a C8 shooting brake Cadillac.
1:24:01 Speaker 03 It'd be a great, uh, safety car for F1.
1:24:03 Doug DeMuro? Oh, it would be.
1:24:04 Speaker 03 Imagine that leading out like.
1:24:05 Doug DeMuro? It so would be.
1:24:06 Speaker 03 XLR.
1:24:08 Speaker 03 I would renew my F1 TV subscription if they did that.
1:24:10 Doug DeMuro? I want to do two, two more very, very, very, very quick ones. Uh, from Ark Latex V12. On the previous episode, a lot was said about the California becoming more appreciated for the merits. However, is there not a very similar car that matches or beats it in almost every category? The R172 SLK 55. And then he goes on a long ode to the SLK 55. I am one of the few people.
1:24:33 Speaker 03 I, I bet I know what he drives.
1:24:34 Doug DeMuro? I am one of the few people who love. Have you ever been in one of these cars?
1:24:37 Speaker 03 No.
1:24:37 Doug DeMuro? You know, it's a Miata sized car with a massive V8. It is a raucous car.
1:24:41 Speaker 03 And they are so cheap.
1:24:42 Doug DeMuro? They are so cheap. They are so cool. It is way louder than it should be. It is way faster than it should be. They never should have done this. And in fact, they later switched away from a V8 and went back to a turbo six cylinder.
1:24:55 Speaker 04 355 horsepower in the car that sounds like a Miata.
1:24:58 Doug DeMuro? Miata size.
1:24:59 Speaker 04 The issue is that it's in no way similar to a Ferrari California in any way, shape or form.
1:25:03 Doug DeMuro? It is an NAV8. Have you considered?
1:25:07 Speaker 03 And it's got the girl vibe, do it like this is the hairdresser car.
1:25:09 Doug DeMuro? It's like the lesser car. But in actuality, if you know what you're, when I see him on the street, I saw one just the other day. And I was, I, every time I have like super respect for it. You ever think about getting one of these?
1:25:19 Speaker 04 No. I don't buy automatic.
1:25:20 Doug DeMuro? You ever driven one? You don't buy automatic pickup truck and mail them.
1:25:23 Speaker 04 I inherited one and I, the station marketing is only available as such.
1:25:26 Doug DeMuro? It's only available as such. Well, this is also only available as such.
1:25:30 Speaker 04 No.
1:25:31 Speaker 03 I bet we could swap it.
1:25:32 Doug DeMuro? I do think it's really cool.
1:25:33 Speaker 03 It's a 55, it should be swappable. Crossfire would probably bolt up great.
1:25:36 Doug DeMuro? Years ago, what the, the day I met Sam, I was in Charleston and I turreled one of these.
1:25:44 Speaker 03 Oh, wow.
1:25:45 Doug DeMuro? And the dude, it was South Carolina, so there's no rules. And so the dude had it straight piped and you should have heard.
1:25:53 Speaker 03 Oh, God.
1:25:54 Doug DeMuro? You should have heard. And I'm in downtown Charleston is the most like quiet, genteel place imaginable. Like more than anywhere, like Buckingham Palace is like a rowdy bar compared to downtown Charleston. And I'm driving around and it's, it's a, it looks like it wouldn't be loud, but it, what is, it's a V8. It's a straight pipe. So absurd. And I loved every minute of it.
1:26:17 Speaker 03 That's awesome.
1:26:18 Doug DeMuro? And I've never forgotten that experience.
1:26:20 Speaker 04 Didn't you review one recently?
1:26:21 Doug DeMuro? I want you to have one. Yeah, I did review one not that long ago. We sold on the site.
1:26:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think I'll find it.
1:26:27 Doug DeMuro? I want you to have one, Filippo.
1:26:29 Speaker 04 I'm, I think it's an incredibly cool car. I'm not interested.
1:26:32 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I'm interested for you. Okay, last question, last question. Some guy's long, random username. Is there ever going to, it was like one of those things where they hit the keyboard. Is there ever going to be movement in the GT4 market? Seems like any year, any spec is the same price as two to three years ago. You know why, folks? Because it's the nucleus sports car.
1:26:56 Speaker 04 Well, and also there's no, by the way, there is movement in the Dino 308. The reason is that they're not making more. The 718, the Cayman is dead. The next one maybe will exist in this form, but won't be as pure. Certainly, and there may not be a non-EV one. And so they retain value.
1:27:15 Doug DeMuro? They retain value. They're so good. Very poor made. They're incredible to drive. They're just, they're perfect cars. They're so nice.
1:27:21 Speaker 03 I'm not a Porsche guy, so let me just ask you guys a clarifying question. Is there movement in the 4S market? Because I sense that that is not as hot as they expected.
1:27:28 Doug DeMuro? 4RS.
1:27:29 Speaker 04 Uh, yes, those have cooled mathematically.
1:27:31 Doug DeMuro? The 4RSs and the Spyder RSs have cooled. People don't want tip. They just don't want tip. Plus, they built a lot of these and they were very expensive. You know, Porsche saw what happened with GT4s with the other cars and they decided instead of people making money, reselling them, Porsche will go and make the money. And they did. Uh, but, but the result of that has been that they have depreciated.
1:27:49 Speaker 04 And the PDK. And there will be other cool PDK cars. There aren't that many great neutral manual.
1:27:55 Doug DeMuro? But it's not a tip, it's a PDK. People say that to me and it's like, I don't have time for you. Uh, okay, that was our podcast. It was the finest podcast we've ever done in our entire lives. Nick, stand up again. Show us, show us what you got.
1:28:07 Speaker 03 Take a bow.
1:28:08 Doug DeMuro? Absolutely.
1:28:09 Speaker 04 By the way, the Fast and the Furious exhibit at the Peterson opens March 14th. If you want to go check it out.
1:28:13 Speaker 03 They will have the Supra.
1:28:15 Speaker 04 They may have the Shorts, we don't know.
1:28:16 Doug DeMuro? The Fast and the Furious exhibit at Peterson opens March 14th, but Nick is ready today.
1:28:21 Speaker 04 Like most southern states, he's open for business.
1:28:23 Doug DeMuro? Go bid on Reggie Jackson's.
1:28:24 Speaker 03 Oh, movie's also selling an SVT Lightning. The red one from the movie.
1:28:29 Doug DeMuro? Boom.
1:28:29 Speaker 03 Not actually screen used, but close enough.
1:28:31 Doug DeMuro? Fast and the Furious again. Here we are. Goodbye, everyone.
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