New Dodge Hot Hatch! Mitsubishi Comeback Time? Deep Automotive Regrets!

Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS Welcome to THIS CAR POD! Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion on breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Thank you to our sponsors! MasterClass - MasterClass keeps adding new classes, so there’s never been a better time to get in. Right now, as a listener of this show, you get at least 15% off any annual membership at https://masterclass.com/carpod STEK - Find a participating installer at https://stek-usa.com/carsandbids + mention Cars & Bids for 10% off film installation NordVPN - EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/dougdemuro Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee Chapters: 00:00:00 THIS CAR POD! 00:00:15 The New Dodge GLH 00:03:21 The New Mitsubishi Montero 00:08:05 US Vs Canada Trade War 00:15:07 Genesis GV90 00:21:36 Polestar Dealership Sues Brand 00:27:49 The Lincoln Bronco Is Coming! 00:33:33 Hyundai Palisade High Roof 00:35:29 Missouri Increases Speed Limits 00:36:24 Talk Cars 00:37:05 The Greatest Feat in Motorsports 00:44:03 Doug's Supra 00:53:53 The Saturn Files 00:58:57 Nick Bought A Kia 01:03:21 Nick Is Selling His Cayenne 01:06:24 Honda Lamborghini 01:09:27 Community Questions 01:10:07 Does Nick Doing The Ad Reads Make Him Less Likable? 01:13:25 Are There Any Poster Cars Anymore? 01:18:39 Has Doug Considered An M2? 01:21:34 What Car From Your Youth Do You Have Nostalgia For? 01:23:24 Is The Cayenne Underrated? 01:24:06 Why Is Doug Buying A Wrangler Over A Bronco? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:09Speaker 05

  I'm Nick.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. I'm back in person and it's time for the pod. There's lots of news to cover. Let's start with the gull hole.

• 1:18Speaker 05

  That goes like hell. GLH.

• 1:21Doug DeMuro?

  Dodge is apparently going to come out with a hot hatchback. This is from Car and Driver. This rendering looks like a Kia Soul, but I imagine the car will actually not look like this. But Nick, a hot hatchback from Dodge.

• 1:32Speaker 05

  The Caliber SRT4 is back.

• 1:35Doug DeMuro?

  The Caliber SRT4 is back.

• 1:36Speaker 05

  Always thought that was cool. Us Americans have always had trouble. Our Focus RS. People have given us great hot hatches and we've never really fully appreciated. Filippo, sometimes impulse purchases a GTI.

• 1:48Doug DeMuro?

  That's true.

• 1:48Speaker 05

  But other than that, Americans have not really, and you're questionable on the American.

• 1:52Speaker 04

  Throw some cold water on all this. So we know from the Investor Day back in May that they were going to make a GLH thing, right? But in additional interviews, Tim Kaneskis, who's in charge of Stellantis, has says that it will actually be based on the next generation Hornet. And it's what the Hornet should have been from the get-go, which is their small SUV.

• 2:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  Small crossover SUV. And so, yes, it'll be a hot hatch. In the same way that like a GLA 35 AMG is a hot hatch.

• 2:18Speaker 05

  And it is.

• 2:19Speaker 04

  Ish, ish, ish.

• 2:20Doug DeMuro?

  Sounds great.

• 2:21Speaker 04

  It'll be a little crossover-y hot hatch.

• 2:23Speaker 05

  And I want kind of crappy too. Like I don't want a Mercedes. Dodge is good at giving us much like all the Hellcats, like cheap power.

• 2:30Doug DeMuro?

  And bad.

• 2:31Speaker 05

  Can you pull up? Fast and bad.

• 2:33Doug DeMuro?

  Can you pull up?

• 2:33Speaker 05

  Gimme gimme.

• 2:34Doug DeMuro?

  Carsandbids.com. That's the website here. Go to Caliber SRT4. I'm sure we've sold one. I hope we've sold one.

• 2:40Speaker 05

  There's one.

• 2:42Doug DeMuro?

  Go to this interior. This is one of the great bad interiors in automotive history. And so obviously we love it.

• 2:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:48Doug DeMuro?

  Keep going because it's the center stack that really sells the whole thing. I mean, this is just, nothing in this interior is done well. Nothing.

• 2:56Speaker 05

  But the seeds are heavily rooted.

• 2:58Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this. Look at this. Plastic steering.

• 2:59Speaker 05

  But you're not buying it for the interior, you know?

• 3:01Doug DeMuro?

  You are absolutely not. You're buying it because it rocks.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  Yep. Yep. This will be likely on the same platform as the airflow and everything else that Chrysler will come out with, which is their like general all-purpose. It could have gas engines. It can have, it could be EV. It's going to be their new platform for everything.

• 3:17Doug DeMuro?

  You pumped?

• 3:17Speaker 05

  I am. I think it's really cool.

• 3:19Doug DeMuro?

  I am. I for one am so excited about this onslaught of Chrysler products that we've now been hearing about for like 18 months, but none of them have come out yet.

• 3:26Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 3:26Doug DeMuro?

  But I'm pumped. I'm ready for them. Let's go. Let's get some gas engines. Let's get some V8s. Let's get some Kia Soul Turbo.

• 3:32Speaker 05

  I actually think that looks really nice. Like I would be thrilled if that's how it ends up looking, but to each their own.

• 3:38Speaker 04

  Just for clarity, I do think that they base the rendering on a Fiat Grande Panda.

• 3:42Doug DeMuro?

  But you agree it looks like a Kia Soul.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  As a result of the rear, but it's also the Grande Panda.

• 3:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's a Kia Soul with a Trackhawk front end.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  Which honestly?

• 3:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. And it's got a wide body, dude.

• 3:52Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of cool Chrysler's coming.

• 3:53Speaker 05

  It's like a GR Yaris.

• 3:54Doug DeMuro?

  Can't wait to check them all out. That Rumble B thing is sort of the beginning.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  And they're, that they've been trickling out as well as the Copperhead concept.

• 4:03Doug DeMuro?

  So far, they've been trickling out versions. We want models.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  They got a lot of new cars to come out with and so we'll see more and more.

• 4:12Speaker 05

  I agree with you, but I think at this state in Stellantis's life, we can't be picky.

• 4:16Doug DeMuro?

  Can't be picky.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  The fact that they're doing anything, God bless them.

• 4:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Okay.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  So true.

• 4:21Doug DeMuro?

  Next news story is another biggie. Speaking of Stellantis, the new Mitsubishi Montero.

• 4:27Speaker 04

  Can you try that transition more clearly?

• 4:30Doug DeMuro?

  Companies that are bad.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. Yeah.

• 4:33Speaker 05

  Companies on life support.

• 4:34Doug DeMuro?

  Companies that are in trouble. Not bad, not bad.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  Companies we're surprised are still developing new vehicles.

• 4:39Doug DeMuro?

  The new Mitsubishi Montero is reportedly coming out. They're going to announce it in the next few days. By the time you watch this podcast, it may be live. I only bring this up.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  September 2nd.

• 4:47Doug DeMuro?

  I only bring this up as a, as a thing. Yeah, but it's going to leak. It's Mitsubishi. But, but this goes to what I wanted to say. It may not leak because no one, no automotive journalist has the contact information for anybody.

• 5:01Doug DeMuro?

  I have a list on my computer, like a living document of all the PR people that I work with and all the automakers, and there is only one hole. I have never heard from Mitsubishi. I have never attempted to contact Mitsubishi. To my knowledge, Mitsubishi has never attempted to contact me. There has never been a purpose or a reason for this.

• 5:19Speaker 04

  When you had your Mirage review, which was about the most PR Mitsubishi has ever done.

• 5:23Doug DeMuro?

  That was a Turo at the San Francisco airport.

• 5:25Speaker 04

  And they didn't like text you afterwards?

• 5:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, never heard a thing. And so I'm actually, obviously I'd be excited. If a new Montero comes out, it's going to be a big deal to review it.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  It's not clear it's coming to the US, by the way. So the Montero has existed. In some global markets, Mitsubishi still has a brand presence. And the Montero is certainly aimed at those. They have not confirmed, because they have no PR people or people, whether it's coming to the US.

• 5:47Doug DeMuro?

  Well, at the very least, they camo wrapped the wheels.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a good sign.

• 5:52Doug DeMuro?

  So even if it doesn't come to the US, at least we know that they are taking this seriously.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  Can we talk about their Mitsubishi's newest product as of like a month ago in the US?

• 6:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the Rogue.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  No, the Rogue is a Mitsubishi Outlander plug-in hybrid.

• 6:06Speaker 05

  A new mini-split unit for your, your work shed.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  No, they, they have a rebadged Nissan Leaf that it's the Mitsubishi Eclipse.

• 6:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you're right.

• 6:17Speaker 05

  What? Yeah, I do remember reading about that. Yeah.

• 6:20Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 6:21Speaker 04

  I actually don't remember the full name. The Mitsubishi Eclipse Sportback EV, which is a Leaf.

• 6:25Doug DeMuro?

  You're kidding?

• 6:26Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 6:26Doug DeMuro?

  So there's the Eclipse Sportback, which is an SUV, and the Eclipse Sportback EV, which is a completely unrelated hatchback.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  Yep. Well, I know they've had a lot of issues with their dealers being upset that there's not cars to sell, that the inventory. Is this just them throwing a bone and saying, here's a car? I do car.

• 6:41Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, this is their website. It says, be the first to know. If you put your contact info in, you will literally be the first to know. No one else has signed up. This is a great opportunity.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  I could, I could know it before the rest of people.

• 6:56Doug DeMuro?

  How embarrassing that this brand has turned into a couple of Nissan rebadges. It was circling the drain and now it's like really circling the drain.

• 7:02Speaker 04

  They are, the Mitsubishi Outlander is both in a Rogue rebadged and then the Rogue is a rebadged of.

• 7:09Doug DeMuro?

  Of the Outlander.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  And so it's, they were the pioneer.

• 7:12Doug DeMuro?

  They were the pioneer. Uh, boy, they make a lot of trash and they have for a long, long, long time. Nick, what was the last Mitsubishi that you cared about?

• 7:20Speaker 05

  I briefly considered buying an Outlander.

• 7:22Doug DeMuro?

  Correct, for good reason.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Because it was a plug-in hybrid, one of four cars in the oddly specific segment.

• 7:26Doug DeMuro?

  What was the last one that you cared about?

• 7:28Speaker 05

  Uh, DSM Eclipse.

• 7:31Doug DeMuro?

  98?

• 7:32Speaker 05

  You ever cared about a Mitsubishi? Evo 10, Evo 10.

• 7:35Doug DeMuro?

  You cared about the Evo 10?

• 7:36Speaker 05

  I thought it was cool. I'd rock one.

• 7:38Doug DeMuro?

  What was the last Mitsubishi that you cared?

• 7:39Speaker 04

  Columbia 4.

• 7:41Doug DeMuro?

  In 91? Are you kidding? You didn't care about the 3000 GT?

• 7:44Speaker 05

  He wasn't even born then.

• 7:45Doug DeMuro?

  The Evo 8? The Evo 6? The last gen Montero sold in the US, 05? The current Montero?

• 7:52Speaker 04

  I did love that Montero. Hated the Montero Sport.

• 7:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, the original Montero Sport was, was a pretty desirable vehicle.

• 8:01Doug DeMuro?

  No. Well, people bought them.

• 8:03Speaker 05

  Two other thoughts here. One, I'm surprised, it sounds like they're going to keep the Pajero name tag elsewhere and maybe call it the Montero here. I would just go Pajero across the board. Maybe that's the enthusiast's point of view, but.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  There's some translation issues.

• 8:16Doug DeMuro?

  We discovered when this all happened 30 years ago, that there is an inappropriate slang term in Spanish-speaking countries.

• 8:24Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 8:25Doug DeMuro?

  Pajero, supposedly. Now, some of these things, who knows? Mitsubishi is one of those companies that loves renaming cars for different markets, thinking that it's going to like have some small effect. And of course it doesn't and it just ends up costing them money. But we'll see. I would just love to have it here. Another, another body-on-frame SUV, I would love to have it here.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  The Xterra, by the way, Nissan and Mitsubishi.

• 8:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, you think they're going to, they're going to twin the Xterra and the Montero?

• 8:50Speaker 04

  I'm not saying that it's not possible.

• 8:52Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. I never thought about that. This is bad.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Why wouldn't they, right?

• 8:55Doug DeMuro?

  Let's make a Mitsubishi version of the GT-R. We'll call it the 4000 GT. Am I right? Huh? You could do that.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Call it the 3500 GT.

• 9:03Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, you gotta go bigger. Uh, all right, next news story, please.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  All right. Uh, Canada. Canada and the US are currently in a trade war.

• 9:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Uh, Donald Trump and Dan Carney, the Canadian Prime Minister, are fighting. Uh, there have been threats to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America.

• 9:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  That is not a joke. That is a thing that may happen.

• 9:23Doug DeMuro?

  Why'd they choose Ontario?

• 9:25Speaker 04

  Because it's a Canadian city.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  It's more in Canada than...

• 9:27Speaker 04

  And, and so I think it like really sticks it to them.

• 9:30Doug DeMuro?

  Superior's the biggest one.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, but Superior already says Superior. Ontario is the name also of the Canadian city.

• 9:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I get your point.

• 9:36Speaker 04

  And so...

• 9:37Doug DeMuro?

  It's literally called...

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Ontario.

• 9:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay, okay.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Uh, so it may become Lake America. But there's a lot of tariffs that will, uh, in both directions, that will go into effect in January 1st unless there is a deal. That would be 50% on automobiles. Uh, automakers, many of whom have historically built cars and parts in Canada for import to the US because we've been under a free trade agreement for the last many decades, uh, are quite upset about this because that is the same treatment that gasoline-powered vehicles made in China receive coming to the US. And so we could be in a situation where for decades, the US has heavily incentivized people to bring manufacture to Canada, Mexico, or the US, kind of equally, uh, now saying no, if it's built in Canada, 50% tariff.

• 10:19Speaker 05

  And this impacts like the RAV4, CRV, Silverado.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  More vehicles in US, right? There's something like 20% of Silverados are built in Canada. Uh, Nissan and Honda are the largest builders in Canada, but mostly for the US market. It would have a large impact. Right now, we're, I think, at 25%, uh, which is more than a European tariff, by the way. Uh, 25%, but you can subtract the value of things that are made in the US, like parts that are made in the US. But this would be a huge, huge tariff bill for manufacturers to...

• 10:47Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, can I ask you the obvious question? In what way is this making America great again? Since you, you, you, obviously, you understand.

• 10:55Speaker 05

  People at Car Week were asking me, "What's your real political opinion?"

• 11:00Doug DeMuro?

  And what is it, Nick?

• 11:01Speaker 05

  I, I am generally a fan of free trade and I, I don't see the end game here. I mean, maybe this is another one of those, let's just make threats and then you, like, I throw out a lowball offer on Facebook Marketplace, so then someone comes, lowers their price, like, this is his equivalent of like a lowball to like bring them down? Maybe that's the strategy, but yeah, I think for the average buyer of a RAV4 or F-150 or Silverado, like, this is not good.

• 11:30Doug DeMuro?

  Tariffs, as always, just make things more expensive. They hurt our American industries, uh, and, and damage relations with neighbors for, with whom we have been, you know, working very closely in a positive way for a long time. It's stupid. It's not as stupid as capitalizing the word "strong" in this sentence.

• 11:48Speaker 04

  Especially because in French, which you capitalize fewer things in French generally, but it's not capitalized there. So it's not like a slogan. Uh, the interesting part, I suspect that the betting money is on these not going to affect. There's a lot of time between now and then, a large chance to make a deal because it's

• 12:03Speaker 05

  The policy market's gonna be interesting on this.

• 12:05Speaker 04

  Really impacts Canada.

• 12:06Speaker 05

  A lot of people getting rich.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Canada can't really maintain that kind of tariff, uh, against US goods, really.

• 12:11Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you feel like, I mean, they took Polestar from us, fine. You can't, you can't start to take the Canadian vehicles from us.

• 12:18Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought you were trying.

• 12:19Doug DeMuro?

  We've been trying.

• 12:20Speaker 05

  Canada took Polestar from us.

• 12:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, the government, the government took Polestar from us. Now we're gonna, we're gonna lose some of these vehicles.

• 12:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is surprising.

• 12:26Doug DeMuro?

  The government's gonna mandate that we drive Dodge Hornets? I mean, what, what's the next step?

• 12:31Speaker 04

  By the way, the town and country, historically, in the Pacific, have been built in Canada.

• 12:34Doug DeMuro?

  This is the party of limited government making these decisions.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Uh, it is weird to treat what used to be your best friend as equivalently to what in theory is an enemy.

• 12:43Doug DeMuro?

  Completely silly, terrible for the auto industry, terrible for the consumer. No, there's this objective, there's no like subjective conversations here. The debt is getting out of control. I think the Trump administration's goal is to try to eliminate or reduce the debt without raising taxes, uh, and they think that tariffs are a way to do it, but they've gotten into these pickles with these countries and it's just not good for anybody.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  It also feels a little more personal than sheer governance at this point.

• 13:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's just, yeah, that's right. Uh, we'll see how it all shakes down. It's definitely gonna be interesting for the auto industry and everybody else if it shakes down, uh, poorly. It'll hurt Filippo too because he vacations in Nova Scotia.

• 13:17Speaker 00

  Blowing ad budget on metrics that look great, till the CFO sees them? That's bullspend, and marketers are calling it out in Dashboard Confessions.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, "It'll be good for the brand," when leads were slow. Yeah, it, it wasn't.

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  Cut the bullspend. LinkedIn lets you target by company, job title, and more. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn.com/campaign. Terms and conditions apply.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  I've only been to Canada twice.

• 13:50Doug DeMuro?

  Where have you been?

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Uh, I've been to Toronto and I've been to Montreal.

• 13:54Speaker 05

  I love Toronto.

• 13:55Doug DeMuro?

  You've never been to Vancouver, Western Canada?

• 13:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 13:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you're kidding?

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Never been.

• 13:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh. You've never been to Whitehorse? Hey, if you're watching from Whitehorse, send us a note. Sean at Cars, S-E-A-N at CarsAndBids.com. But we don't believe that you're in Whitehorse unless you take a picture, uh, outside your house.

• 14:11Speaker 05

  With the local newspaper.

• 14:12Doug DeMuro?

  The local newspaper. The Whitehorse Monthly.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  Yes. Tell, tell us what, what kind of a deal you can get on an F-150 domestically, and I'll tell you the comparable spec here.

• 14:22Doug DeMuro?

  What do you got up in Whitehorse for cars?

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• 15:20Doug DeMuro?

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• 16:04Doug DeMuro?

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• 16:39Speaker 05

  I am so pumped on this. The GV90.

• 16:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 16:42Speaker 05

  Hyundai slash Genesis is coming out swinging. So you got the GLS Maybach, you got all these cool luxury SUVs. I feel like Genesis has done a good job on styling, but this is their, this, they're really going for it here. It's, obviously, not all of them are gonna have this level of ridiculousness, but the coach doors, suicide doors, as we like to call them, uh, in there, it has executive...

• 17:04Speaker 04

  You get blocked on social media for saying it.

• 17:06Doug DeMuro?

  Are these, Filippo, is this an EV-only?

• 17:08Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah.

• 17:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's EV-only? So in order to get coach doors, I can't even get a plug-in hybrid like I so desperately want.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Correct, EV-only.

• 17:16Doug DeMuro?

  To the point where I've narrowed down my vehicle choices to three cars, one of which is a Mitsubishi Outlander.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  You might change your mind for an EV-only four-seater.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, but it says swiveling front seats, a refrigerator, privacy blinds, and heated real wood flooring.

• 17:30Speaker 04

  It is crazy. So there's two versions of the GV90. There's the regular version that has six or seven seats, I think it's six seats, normal doors, it's like a large luxury EV SUV, like, larger than an EQS but competing with that. And then there's the Neolon addition, which has these, uh, coach doors, which they're incredibly proud of, it's like a swiveling...

• 17:49Speaker 05

  Is that the politically correct term now, is coach doors?

• 17:51Doug DeMuro?

  I think rear-hinged doors.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Rear, rear, rear-hinged doors. Uh, they're very proud of the fact that you can open the rear without opening the front first, without there being a B-pillar, because the B-pillar doesn't exist here. And like a Rolls-Royce Cullinan, you can open both, but there's a B-pillar. This is the first B-pillar-less one where you can open the rear independently, apparently. Uh, they're very proud of that. They're also very proud of their airbag that covers the entire sunroof.

• 18:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, this, this thing looks pretty legit. Nick, um...

• 18:17Speaker 05

  If they undercut the, the Maybach or Range Rovers or what have you, or even are comparable in price.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  They will. They'll undercut the...

• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I understand that you're very excited about this car. You were excited even off-camera before we started. Uh, do you know who is supervising the design department over there these days?

• 18:32Speaker 05

  Luke Vanderdork?

• 18:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, his name's not Vanderdork, it's Luke Dunkervolk. But he's the guy who did Mercy.

• 18:40Speaker 05

  I could tell. I didn't even read the story, I could just tell. It had, it had those vibes.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  It is a cool car. The interior, by the way, is quite, so you, you can have the front seats in the Neolon edition, like electronically moved backwards.

• 18:54Speaker 05

  Is this the, is this the gear shift?

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, uh, that's the gear shift.

• 18:59Speaker 05

  Happy to see ya.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? You're, you're kinda shifting the gear, you know what I mean? Like, the gestures, that's a lot.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  The, the, the screen is quite large, but does also retract a little bit, so you can have like a half screen.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Uh, then it can go to its full.

• 19:14Speaker 05

  That screen looks like the, the, if you bought the Best Buy Store brand TVs, you know, like, that's the interface.

• 19:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's very, this car's exciting. GV, you know, Genesis is really trying to go after luxury brands. One of the things I've realized is that the really high-end SUV, luxury SUVs for each brand is sort of their opportunity to do something.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 19:33Doug DeMuro?

  It used to be like maybe a sports car or maybe a sedan, but now it's like the full-size Range Rover, the Lincoln Navigator, which has a screen that's 10 times larger than even this.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Across the front.

• 19:41Doug DeMuro?

  Like, this, that's their opportunity to like really go crazy, and this is, this is, uh...

• 19:47Speaker 04

  It's the same reason, all throughout the 90s and 2000s, you wanted to come out with your flagship model, it was a large luxury sedan that had all the latest tech.

• 19:55Doug DeMuro?

  And had all the latest tech, and now that's the SUVs.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  Uh, but it also gives them this like ability to create, I think, cooler designs, because SUVs lend themselves to some additional.

• 20:04Speaker 05

  It's gorgeous.

• 20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, I agree. I think having a larger vehicle and like you can play with, offer capability, or you can play with sort of a chauffeur situation or whatever, and a lot of them are. I'm pumped for this thing.

• 20:13Speaker 05

  It also goes to your theory of, now that EVs are kind of ubiquitous and all the stats are kind of the same, you need the gimmicks to differentiate. So we got door gimmicks, we got seating gimmicks, we got swivels, we got wood flooring, like, they're going big on gimmicks.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  The heat of the floor is an insane decision.

• 20:27Doug DeMuro?

  This car...

• 20:28Speaker 05

  I'm so into that.

• 20:29Doug DeMuro?

  This car goes on sale in the first half of 27, so it's actually not even all that far away. It's less than a year from being on sale, six, eight months.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  I think the Neolon might come later.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  Also, these wheels, can we just talk about these wheels for a second?

• 20:39Doug DeMuro?

  The wheels are...

• 20:40Speaker 05

  I love these wheels.

• 20:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but, come on.

• 20:42Speaker 05

  Dinner plates, man.

• 20:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but...

• 20:44Speaker 05

  These are like bougie dinner plates.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  These aren't like rational, like no one's gonna get these wheels, you know what I'm saying?

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Can we talk about the general styling, which has this like smile in the, the front LEDs?

• 20:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I don't love that.

• 20:56Speaker 04

  The smile is a bit...

• 20:57Doug DeMuro?

  Boy, what an attractive car.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  It's beautiful, it's...

• 21:00Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think I've seen one that was just sort of like this, just clean. I mean, aside from that heinous front light treatment, this is an attractive car.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  It kinda gives you a little Range Rover vibes in the rear quarter on this picture, but...

• 21:12Speaker 04

  The rear of the Neolon, uh, is a little questionable in some way?

• 21:16Speaker 05

  Ooh, I love that. That is bad.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  The, the, the light strip is great, but the Neolon specifically has this like reinforced rear window situation?

• 21:24Doug DeMuro?

  We've been trained, Nick, to think that, um, fake wraparound glass with a floating roof is the only attractive thing, and so that's how I feel. This, to me, looks like a London taxi.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  No?

• 21:36Speaker 04

  It, it looks, there's other, actually, it might not just be the Neolon, all of them might have this really thick D-pillar, uh, but it does look better in darker colors.

• 21:44Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's a pretty cool flagship.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  It looks great, regardless.

• 21:47Doug DeMuro?

  They're saying it'll start around a hundred thousand dollars. I mean, this is a serious, this is a serious vehicle.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  But what does a Range Rover start at? 120?

• 21:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, but this is Genesis. I mean, this is Genesis. What does LX570 start at? What, what is, what, you know what I mean? What does an Acura start at?

• 22:00Speaker 04

  An LX570 is at 90.

• 22:01Doug DeMuro?

  What does a comparable Acura start at?

• 22:03Speaker 04

  There is no comparable Acura.

• 22:04Doug DeMuro?

  Damn. Acura missed the boat on this.

• 22:07Speaker 05

  This are an Escalade IQ, which is one...

• 22:10Doug DeMuro?

  You're asking me?

• 22:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I wouldn't get an Escalade IQ if it was the last car available.

• 22:14Speaker 05

  Right, and this will be 80 grand cheaper?

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Uh, 30. Escalade IQ started 130-ish, 127.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  Hey!

• 22:21Doug DeMuro?

  But remember, an Escalade IQ could eat this car and you wouldn't even know it. An Escalade IQ could show up in, in some sort of Hungry Hungry Hippos situation?

• 22:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:31Doug DeMuro?

  And...

• 22:32Speaker 05

  I could see...

• 22:33Doug DeMuro?

  Eat this car.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  An alternate universe in which you weren't a YouTuber?

• 22:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 22:37Speaker 05

  And you'd just gotten like a job in finance, I could see you driving one.

• 22:41Doug DeMuro?

  An Escalade IQ?

• 22:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. If you weren't born with like the car gene.

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I'm realizing?

• 22:46Speaker 05

  We'd all be there.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  We'll never see a comparison test photo that has an Escalade IQ and a GV90 on a bridge, because no bridge.

• 22:53Doug DeMuro?

  No bridge, yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Can't support both.

• 22:56Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you might be there, you know what I mean?

• 23:00Speaker 05

  An Escalade IQ owner?

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  You might drive your Escalade IQ to Benihana.

• 23:04Speaker 05

  I do like Benihana.

• 23:05Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, move on to the next story.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  I can't believe it took me 42 years to understand how good Benihana was.

• 23:10Doug DeMuro?

  All right, Polestar.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  Polestar.

• 23:12Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Polestar news story. They're out of the country, how could there possibly be news?

• 23:16Speaker 04

  Somehow there is. So, a couple of weeks ago, a dealer, so Polestar, we know, is no longer allowed to sell in the US starting in 2027, because the US government banned them for having Chinese software.

• 23:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Uh, they, they said that they're just gonna leave the market.

• 23:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  They're not really fighting it publicly. They've had dealer groups, one out of New Jersey specifically, sue them and basically say, "Hey, we built this whole dealership on the premise that you would be here, but you aren't putting up a fight. You aren't, like, we think you just wanted to leave the market generally."

• 23:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Polestar is trying to, I think, win back the news cycle a little bit, but they are saying more about their experience in trying to work with the Commerce Department on this. And what they are saying now is that we were really blindsided by the Commerce Department not granting us this waiver. We were told along the way that because Volvo, like because it's so similar to Volvo, the, the Polestar 3 and Volvo products are built on the same assembly line with what Polestar claims is the same software.

• 24:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Polestar has claimed that they offered a bunch of concessions to the US government.

• 24:11Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, the whole, the whole last five years, they've been telling us how different Polestars are from Volvos and how they're not Volvos, yeah.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  And they also claimed that they offered a bunch of concessions around how to mitigation strategies. And then they, the, the Commerce Department apparently was like, "Yep, you should be okay, we'll keep you updated." Volvo got the waiver, and they were apparently very blindsided that they did not receive it.

• 24:34Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta, you gotta worry... Good, good drama here.

• 24:36Speaker 05

  That argument feels like, it's like, oh, everyone else was doing, like, aren't they worried they're just gonna throw Volvo under the bus? And they'd be like, "Yeah, you're right, we should ban Volvo too."

• 24:44Doug DeMuro?

  No, because, because the truth is, probably, the dealer in New Jersey's probably a little bit more right than wrong. Like, Polestar was not finding any success in the US market. The cars were so clearly geared towards China. Did they get, did they go hard after the, after the Commerce Department desperately trying to continue selling cars in the United States like Honda would if they were about to get kicked out? There were calculations going on at Volvo's corporate offices saying, you know, "They're gonna kick us out," you know? They, they weren't, I can't, I can't imagine they were fighting tooth and nail for this, is my guess.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  And is the dealer's ploy here is, "Let me do a lawsuit and see if I can recoup some of the investment"?

• 25:24Speaker 04

  That's all they want, but the dealer...

• 25:26Speaker 05

  Maybe also don't feel they're right, they just see an opportunity to make money potentially.

• 25:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I mean, the, the dealers, people forget, people have these opinions about dealers, but the dealer invests an enormous amount of his personal money, or his, the dealer, owner of the group's money, into building what often, people don't understand, Polestar doesn't just say, "Build a building." Build a building that has this perfect color of white with this exact type of marble and this exact, you know, flooring, and and those buildings cost an unbelievable amount of money, not to mention that is land that you could have put a Honda dealer or a Buick dealer, but you chose Polestar to invest in their brand. It's an enormous investment to take on a brand.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:03Doug DeMuro?

  And so, from the dealer's perspective, "Hey, I've invested X percent of my entire net worth into your brand, you need to invest..."

• 26:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, make it whole.

• 26:11Doug DeMuro?

  And, and so, you know, uh...

• 26:14Speaker 05

  So you're on the dealer's side here?

• 26:16Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, I am not on no one's side because I don't know all the details, but I just, don't you have a feeling that Polestar wasn't sitting there going, "No, no, please, give us the waiver, we, we're having so much success in America that we really wanna keep selling"?

• 26:28Speaker 04

  Polestar's claim is that, which by the way, Polestar and Volvo, despite being owned by Geely, both operate pretty separately, apparently. They're like management teams.

• 26:36Speaker 05

  That's so hard to believe.

• 26:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Like, he and Hyundai, which in South Korea is allowed to talk and the US are theoretically not.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  Uh, they're claiming that the Commerce Department, and they claim to have emails of this, told them that it would be reasonable to expect that if Volvo were granted a waiver, Polestar would be too. And so they were not expecting this, apparently. Apparently. The dealer is suing them for $25 million in damages, which is reasonable too.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  Probably what the building cost or close to.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Plus, yeah, plus market. There's some math. Uh, some, some drama here, because it turns out when a large automaker suddenly, large, small automaker suddenly S's at a market, there, there's some... Issues.

• 27:13Doug DeMuro?

  I'm surprised only one dealer sued him. A lot of these were popping up at shopping malls, though. It wasn't necessarily all dealers putting in an enormous amount of.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  A lot, all of the three dozen dealers apparently have been demanding answers. Only one has publicly sued.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  Cause like the one in San Diego, they just like rented a space at the mall. I don't think they like built a building.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's very few, I think, standalone ones.

• 27:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it'll be interesting. And I bet we don't get Polestar back. And I bet no one is that disappointed about it.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  Polestar has also very much taken tact of, we're gonna just stop.

• 27:41Doug DeMuro?

  Which tells you a lot. It's time.

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• 29:19Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next news story, please. Oh, there's a Lincoln Bronco. It's rendering, folks. Don't get too excited.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  That's a pretty lazy rendering.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. The Lincoln Bronco will be coming in 2029, 2020, sorry, 2029, 2030, somewhere in that range.

• 29:33Doug DeMuro?

  By then we won't want it.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  And.

• 29:34Doug DeMuro?

  The Bronco came out in 20. They're gonna come out with it when it's 10 years old.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  At that same time, uh, there will apparently be a Bronco pickup truck. Now, there was talk when the Bronco first came out, they were planning a pickup truck. And then they realized they couldn't keep up with production demands for the regular Bronco. And so they, they canned it, but now it'll be coming back.

• 29:51Doug DeMuro?

  I'm surprised because Gladiator doesn't seem like a top seller. There's a lot of incentives on it. They're not particularly.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  Ford also has the F-150, the Maverick, the Fathom EV. There's a lot of like pickup trucks in the world.

• 30:02Doug DeMuro?

  And this is a suggestion, but maybe they're gonna do it better than Jeep. Sort of like they did the regular Bronco better than Jeep, am I right?

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 30:10Doug DeMuro?

  I got you.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you. Don't you feel like though, if you're already building a car, like it sort of seems like they're trying to turn Bronco into its own brand. You got the Bronco Sport, you got the full size Bronco, you got the Lincoln Bronco. You might as well, while you're in there, like throw in a little mini pickup one, maybe a G-Cab style variant.

• 30:25Doug DeMuro?

  That would be cool as hell.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  I would like the, the old Defender 110 and 130 where you get the military style seating.

• 30:31Doug DeMuro?

  Can I, yeah. Can I tell you something interesting? I went to a Ford dealership this summer to look at purchasing a Bronco and I elected not to. However, there is an aftermarket company that makes power tops. And for like three or four, maybe five grand, you push a button. It's, it's, it's aftermarket, like the button. It's one of those switches that you generically, but like you push a button, the top goes, yeah.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, very familiar.

• 30:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like yours, but like, and then it goes back up and it's what it is. Isn't that interesting?

• 30:59Speaker 05

  I could say, so are you holding out the 2030 for a Lincoln?

• 31:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Nope.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  Just a short more three and a half years.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  I will say next year, there will be a Bronco hybrid that comes out in 2027, according to Jim Farley.

• 31:11Doug DeMuro?

  A plug in hybrid or?

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Just all we know is that it will be a hybrid.

• 31:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Nick and I want a plug in hybrid. The only options for us right now are a Kia Sorento, a Volvo, a bit of a specious Outlander.

• 31:22Speaker 05

  And a CX90.

• 31:23Doug DeMuro?

  And Mazda CX90.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  It will be longer than I expected it to be before this happens.

• 31:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  2029 is still three years away.

• 31:30Doug DeMuro?

  But the, the reason, the actual reason for it, although I'm complaining, is because in 29, there will be some sort of major Bronco either redesign or facelift. And the Lincoln will integrate into that. It has nothing to do with.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  21 was the first year?

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, or 20?

• 31:42Speaker 04

  20 was when it came out, 21 was the first one.

• 31:44Doug DeMuro?

  So it's, it's, it's actually crazy when you really think about it. So C8 and Bronco have both been on the market now for six, seven years.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  Time flies.

• 31:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You're like to do a six, seven thing? Hmm. Um, isn't that crazy?

• 31:55Speaker 05

  We're too mature for that.

• 31:55Doug DeMuro?

  Like C8 and Bronco both feel like new, what I think, what I call them new, right? The new Supra, the new Defender. All those cars have been out for like seven years.

• 32:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  And.

• 32:04Doug DeMuro?

  All of them.

• 32:05Speaker 05

  Covid really messed with our perception of time.

• 32:08Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I think you're just getting older.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  And, and also with, with how long cars stick around for, right? Like, like you aren't gonna redesign it yet.

• 32:16Speaker 05

  I don't know about you, but I get Covid like every six months now.

• 32:20Doug DeMuro?

  I don't get Covid every six months.

• 32:22Speaker 05

  I maybe should start washing my hands.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Do you remember when you did the tour of the new Bronco?

• 32:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, under an open pass, yeah, it was there.

• 32:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was like yesterday.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  I have a real question, which is, was there ever one that was actually offered with this size tire?

• 32:35Doug DeMuro?

  I think the Sasquatch, two door Sasquatches are, if not that, they're pretty damn close to that.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  Dude look huge.

• 32:40Doug DeMuro?

  But it's very rare that you see a two door Sasquatch. Very rare. And two door Bronco in general is pretty rare.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Don't you think that kind of gives you, the idea of a pickup version of this gives you this, uh, sport track vibes? It's kind of like a, like a niche pickup that's not really used as a pickup, but like has some pickup feature.

• 32:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, I, like a Defender High Cap. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do. Instead of like an actual full sized bed like a Gladiator, like make it a, make it a Hummer H2SUT sized bed.

• 33:06Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  And like, then it's a pickup, but like maybe in back you throw a couple of seats and.

• 33:10Speaker 05

  Some hockey bags.

• 33:11Doug DeMuro?

  Some like portable speaker and, you know, you have some, you know what I'm saying?

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Can I just throw out there, there's a clear example that we're not talking about, which is sad for them. The Ineos Granada Quartermaster is, I think, literally that.

• 33:23Doug DeMuro?

  The Granada Quartermaster is like a real pickup. I'm talking about like an H2SUT.

• 33:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:28Doug DeMuro?

  Where the, where the bed is, the, the truck itself isn't longer.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  GM would have called that a real pickup.

• 33:35Doug DeMuro?

  No one else did.

• 33:36Speaker 04

  Look at that.

• 33:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and these are cool. These are gonna depreciate. They're so crazy. I, by the way, the other day I did, I did a video with the Bronco Philson. It was here yesterday in the office.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 33:45Doug DeMuro?

  Which is a luxury Bronco. And that's a pretty impressive vehicle.

• 33:48Speaker 05

  Is that still on your consideration set for next year?

• 33:51Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm getting a Wrangler. But the, um, the Philson's interesting. Like, it's not just like cosmetic BS. It's got a different engine with more power.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Really?

• 33:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's got, well, it's got the Raptor engine, but it's the only way you can get the Raptor engine without getting a Raptor.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Really?

• 34:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's got ventilated seats, which a normal Bronco doesn't have. It's got a rear view mirror camera, which a normal Bronco doesn't have. It has heated rear seats, which you can't get on, none of these features you can get on any other Bronco.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 34:12Doug DeMuro?

  It has like softer suspension and, and different trim. And even the Bronco logo is this like copper bronze color instead of.

• 34:19Speaker 05

  So isn't this just the Lincoln Bronco? Like, maybe they're delaying it because the Philson fills that need until they recycle.

• 34:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Isn't that wild?

• 34:26Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 34:26Speaker 05

  It sounds great.

• 34:27Doug DeMuro?

  It actually goes pretty far.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  That's interesting.

• 34:29Doug DeMuro?

  And I think there's a lot of rich people who like want a Bronco, but then they get in one, they're like, damn, this is,

• 34:35Doug DeMuro?

  this is some Mickey Mouse stuff going on here.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  I feel like 20% less wind noise.

• 34:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's what they claim. They enhanced the seals for 20% less wind noise. Now, that particular vehicle, the roof can be removed and the doors can be removed. So my guess is it's still gonna be kind of rough.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  That's fascinating though. Yeah. Doesn't it come with a jacket?

• 34:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, it does not come with the jacket, but the first editions come with bags if you're interested. It's gonna start around 75.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Wow. That's the other thing that the Lincoln Bronco will start at.

• 35:02Doug DeMuro?

  I better be higher.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  Next.

• 35:04Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of higher.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  I thought we killed this. The Palisade Highboy, I think there's a different term for it.

• 35:15Speaker 05

  They are introducing possibly only for Korea.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Definitely only for Korea.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  A Palisade version with an extended roof. And I, I just, with the GV90 story, I, I think this is very relevant.

• 35:25Doug DeMuro?

  So on, I'm looking at pictures on the roof, there's like a, there's like a screen that comes down mounted up there that has, for rear passengers, it's a huge screen. You can look at, you can watch stuff. There's like a starry night. Or maybe it's just an actual sunroof. There's like nice lighting up there. There's like recessed lighting.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  It's like every Sprinter high top van. Just add a few inches.

• 35:45Doug DeMuro?

  Just an, an R, it's like an RV, it's like a, it's a conversion van Hyundai Palisade.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  I mean, they used to do this in the Explorers in the 90s. Like, like I just, I.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  I haven't seen one of those in forever.

• 35:56Doug DeMuro?

  There used to be, on Antucket, there used to be a Grand Cherokee that someone had high topped, a second, a 96, 97 Grand.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  What, like you're doing road trips, like a little extra space?

• 36:04Speaker 04

  You're gonna stand up in the car.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  It doesn't, much like the, the Lincoln version, like how much more engineering effort is it to do this?

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Well, I have to imagine it reduces some rigidity.

• 36:13Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't think so.

• 36:14Speaker 05

  Miles per gallon probably takes a hit.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  The rigidity is probably all around the edges. You think there's like crossbars? Cause this car must be offered with a giant panoramic sunroof.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  That's true. And this is made by Hyundai, not by, I mean, some of the aftermarket ones, I suspect lose some rollover.

• 36:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm a big fan of cutting the roof off.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, I'm so glad we kept the story ahead.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  I just think, like, I miss coach building. I miss the, the fact that the manufacturers are filling some of that void. It's pretty ridiculous. I love it.

• 36:41Doug DeMuro?

  So this is, uh, so Kia has a high roof Carnival.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  And not, and not in the US, but in South Korea, yeah.

• 36:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the Kia Carnival High Limousine. High spelled H I. Like, High Limousine.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  This is a thing in other markets.

• 36:56Doug DeMuro?

  All right, it's, I don't think it is. Move on to the next story.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Oh, gosh.

• 37:00Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, what's, what's, I don't want to talk about this. So what do you got? You do the whole thing.

• 37:04Speaker 05

  Missouri.

• 37:05Doug DeMuro?

  Missouri.

• 37:06Speaker 05

  Is gonna have 75 mile power speed limits very soon, as early as Friday, although they've gotta like get together and figure out which roads it applies to and not.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  They haven't actually decided which roads.

• 37:14Speaker 05

  It's approved. It's happening. So if you are going from Kansas City to Joplin, your commute just got reduced by like 15 minutes.

• 37:21Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't our news story. Half the country has 75 mile.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  Some have 80.

• 37:24Doug DeMuro?

  I was in Oklahoma last week and they have an 80 mile an hour speed.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  Does somebody have 85?

• 37:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there's a road in Texas, I think, that has an 85.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  I thought it was more than that.

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a toll road.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:34Doug DeMuro?

  There's 80 all over Utah.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm celebrating every win here, all right? Every little win for America that we can get. So 75 miles an hour to go through Missouri, I'm here for it.

• 37:46Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  That's all. That's it. That's the story.

• 37:49Doug DeMuro?

  That's great. That's great stuff, Nick. Thanks so much. Nick, let me ask you a question.

• 37:54Speaker 05

  It was a slow news.

• 37:55Doug DeMuro?

  One of the, one of the hidden things about Nick is he doesn't actually enjoy driving. Nick, when did you last take a road trip through Missouri?

• 38:02Speaker 05

  Through Missouri?

• 38:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, do the math in your head there.

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Flown over it before. Can't say I've ever driven in Missouri.

• 38:10Doug DeMuro?

  The longest road trip Nick's ever done is to drive from here to Car Week.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, which is very recent.

• 38:15Doug DeMuro?

  Six hours. How many bathroom stops did that involve, Nick?

• 38:20Speaker 05

  I try to take as few as possible.

• 38:21Doug DeMuro?

  But probably a bunch.

• 38:23Speaker 05

  Lot of Celsius and flaming hot cheetos.

• 38:25Doug DeMuro?

  Did we talk about?

• 38:26Speaker 04

  How'd you live?

• 38:27Doug DeMuro?

  Did we talk about?

• 38:27Speaker 04

  How are you alive?

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  Since, you know what? Since we're doing, since we're doing the Talk Car segment next, I want to talk about what I can now consider, because I've discovered this, to be the greatest feat in motorsports. I sent this to our group chat, no one cared.

• 38:39Speaker 04

  F E A T.

• 38:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I sent this to our group chat, no one cared, but I'm gonna tell you a story.

• 38:45Doug DeMuro?

  It is possible, on Memorial Day every year, a day that you think about the sacrifice of the troops.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  I sure do.

• 38:51Doug DeMuro?

  It is possible to race in both the Indy 500, which is an Indy car race that is held in the morning, and the Coca-Cola 600, which is a NASCAR race that is held in the evening and at nighttime. And this is referred to in racing as double duty. I only just discovered this.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  That's so many miles.

• 39:11Doug DeMuro?

  It's 1,100 miles.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  No, I could do it.

• 39:13Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 39:14Doug DeMuro?

  But 1,100 competition miles.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:17Doug DeMuro?

  In one day.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Speed limit 75 helps.

• 39:20Doug DeMuro?

  Now, now, what makes it harder is that the Indy 500 is in Indianapolis and the Coca-Cola 600 is in Charlotte. And so what people do, and they do it, at least one person attempts it every year.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:35Doug DeMuro?

  Is they do the Indy race. It must start exactly on time and have no delays of rain throughout the day. If it does, you're done. They finish the Indy race after having driven 500 miles. They, they take a helicopter from the racetrack to the airport in Indianapolis to get on a private plane in Indianapolis, fly to Charlotte, take a helicopter from the private, then they get to the NASCAR race. Now, historically, if you did this, you missed the drivers' meeting at the NASCAR race, which meant you couldn't, you had to start last. And so it's especially difficult feat if you start last, because if you want to do both, complete both races, you have to finish on the lead lap, and you're starting last. Only one person has ever done it and finished on both lead laps, which was Tony Stewart like 20 years ago.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 40:16Doug DeMuro?

  But people try it relatively frequently. Every year, someone attempts to do this. 1,100 competition miles.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  In a single day, in two different places that aren't even slightly close. And so Nick's over here, bathroom breaks after six hours. Let me tell you something, Tony Stewart ain't taking no bathroom breaks, you know what I'm saying?

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Can we talk about the aggregate risk that you're taking on that day? Because NASCAR and stock are somewhat dangerous as a sport.

• 40:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  And then you get in a helicopter, which is quite dangerous, and a small private plane, which is quite dangerous, and you've stacked together the most dangerous way.

• 40:48Doug DeMuro?

  You're also driving two unbelievably different cars, and in an open wheel Indy car and a NASCAR.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  And incredibly draining, incredibly difficult, physically and mentally.

• 40:58Doug DeMuro?

  Think about the physical.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Day.

• 41:00Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, it would be so hard. It would be just so unbelievably difficult.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  If these guys are just trying it for the bragging rights, like what?

• 41:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  What's in it for them to destroy themselves?

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Isn't that enough?

• 41:12Doug DeMuro?

  The, there is a theory that if you were to win both races in the same day, it would be considered like the top occurrence in motorsports. And there is some like rich guy who has like a $10 million or $20 million purse for anybody who wins both races on the same day. When Tony Stewart did it and finished on the lead lap of both, he finished sixth and third.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 41:32Doug DeMuro?

  Which is wild. He finished third in the NASCAR race, the second one.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 41:38Doug DeMuro?

  Think about that, 1,100 competition miles.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  Meanwhile, he refused to just drive six hours.

• 41:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's my point. People say to me, because I drive cross-country, I can't believe you drive 1,400 miles in a day. I'm sitting there in my Sequoia with, with, with climate control on and ventilated seats, right? With the dog next to me. These guys are doing cop 1,100 competitive miles, so serious.

• 41:59Speaker 04

  You did just drive across the country in your Sequoia?

• 42:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  What's the best thing you saw?

• 42:05Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the best thing I saw was?

• 42:08Speaker 04

  Like that sign welcoming you to California on the 8th?

• 42:11Doug DeMuro?

  Nope, definitely not that.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Right, right after Yuma.

• 42:16Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the most beautiful part of that drive is? You go from Massachusetts to California. The most beautiful part of that drive is upstate New York, Interstate 90.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Oh, you went the northern part of the country.

• 42:24Doug DeMuro?

  Albany to Erie, Pennsylvania.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:26Doug DeMuro?

  Is just incredibly beautiful.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  Beautiful part of the country.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  Rolling hills, verdant, actually, western Massachusetts, the Berkshires.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:31Doug DeMuro?

  Green, beautiful, rolling hills. And every time I drive up there, and there's these old brick buildings that are crumbly, but they're beautiful.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:39Doug DeMuro?

  And there's rivers up there.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  I will say, the, not really during the summer, but the 8, when you're coming over the mound into San Diego, like not the San Diego part, but like over the mound is quite pretty too.

• 42:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, that is nice. And then Flagstaff, you take Interstate 40 to Interstate 17, through Flagstaff, which is really beautiful too. It gets Alpine there and it's nice.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  I'm gonna agree with you that that's not my thing, but I, you calling me crazy, like, that sounds awful. It's tedious, monotonous, long, like, road trips are just to get to point A to point B. If I'm driving, I want to like, give me some twisties, give me some turns.

• 43:13Doug DeMuro?

  Comments. Road trips, road trips have brought me some of my happiest life memories.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  For the experience, including driving.

• 43:18Doug DeMuro?

  I have gone to some of the coolest things and done some of the coolest things with my cars, with my friends, with my people, with my wife, with my future, hopefully my children, doing road trips.

• 43:27Speaker 05

  If I, if I had one superpower, teleportation.

• 43:29Doug DeMuro?

  There are places you can't get to by, by taking one of your, one of your coastal elite airplanes, that you have to get there.

• 43:36Speaker 05

  Southwest Airlines?

• 43:37Doug DeMuro?

  That you have to get there in a Toyota Sequoia. Monument Valley.

• 43:41Speaker 05

  I'm working real hard to become a Gold Plus member, okay?

• 43:45Doug DeMuro?

  There are, I think, some of the greatest things in the world.

• 43:47Speaker 05

  I, I think if you have time to enjoy a road trip, fine. I never have time, I'm rushing, and it is simply just losing a day.

• 43:55Doug DeMuro?

  Working a tech job.

• 43:56Speaker 05

  Typical.

• 43:57Doug DeMuro?

  Such a bunch of BS.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:59Doug DeMuro?

  Road trips, road trips have given me some of my all-time greatest memories in history, and I think you should say. I've taken road trips all throughout the world, throughout Europe, throughout, it's New Zealand.

• 44:09Speaker 05

  My favorite road trip story, I was like 12 or so, and we're going through, I think it was Montana, we stopped for lunch and it'd been twisty roads up in the mountains. We walk into the restaurant, and I'm carsick, and I've been saying I'd carsick, my parents ignore me, and I threw up on someone else's dinner table, all over their food that had just been served. And my mom was horrified and mad at my dad because I'd said I was gonna throw up, and my mom just grabbed my sister and walked out of the restaurant, pretending like she didn't know us, leaving me and my dad to buy everyone's meal because I threw up on them and apologized to them for ruining their meal.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  And if you are curious, Nick's parents are divorced.

• 44:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's your road trip. My, my, let me tell you about my.

• 44:49Speaker 05

  I don't think because of that, but yes.

• 44:51Doug DeMuro?

  One time, when I was on a road trip in an Aston Martin, I got a picture of it next to a bison.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm well aware.

• 44:56Doug DeMuro?

  We'll, we'll over.

• 44:57Speaker 05

  We're all very aware.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  What was your core memory from this road trip across the country? Where you're doing the?

• 45:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. Why don't you go on another one? They're so much fun.

• 45:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I do love, I think, the road trip, the way I have to do it in these years is not the greatest, because I do have to go really fast, but I do truly love a good, slow road trip where you stop and you see stuff. I mean, I remember my wife and I were driving through Italy, you see a cool town, so let's go see what's over there. And you sort of get off the freeway and go down there, and it's amazing.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  I've never tried that.

• 45:26Doug DeMuro?

  Some of my, yeah, I know, Nick.

• 45:28Speaker 05

  I'm always just trying to get from point A to point B quickly.

• 45:30Doug DeMuro?

  Some of us enjoy the experience, not just, but.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  All right, but you are back, and I think you're disappointing.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  You have a lot of car. I got the Supra. Listen, I gotta tell you about this, Nick. I got the Supra now. My life has changed.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  How is the Supra? How, how is your Supra specifically?

• 45:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's great. I, so a couple of things. I, first off, I'm gonna do a video about it.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 45:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna go up next week, I think. And, yeah, next week. I have, filming it tomorrow. But I got a Supra Turbo.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  Mark IV.

• 46:02Doug DeMuro?

  Mark IV Turbo.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  The real one.

• 46:03Doug DeMuro?

  Sport roof. Okay.

• 46:04Speaker 04

  94.

• 46:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's a 94. And I love everything about it. It's amazing.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Great. I'm so happy.

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  I just installed child seat tethers.

• 46:13Speaker 04

  That's incredible.

• 46:14Doug DeMuro?

  I am so into this car, it is hard for me to explain. Now, what I've decided I want to do is every school year, I want to get a new fun car for, for like to bring the kids to school and take the kids around and like as a fun family car.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:27Doug DeMuro?

  And so this school year, it's the Supra, and so I'll sell it probably in the spring.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  You don't have a lot of years of doing this with sports cars.

• 46:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the first one was this 993 twin turbo, that they, that was cool.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  And now we've got this.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  What I mean is they're finite, because you will have a third child.

• 46:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah, no, we're gonna have to get into some bigger cars here. I actually have more years than you think, though, because with the third child, he's still a few years away from like

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, fair, fair, fair, fair.

• 46:56Doug DeMuro?

  This is mostly the school drop off, so I probably have a couple more years of just taking the two. But, uh, yeah.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  That's exciting.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  Well, like with your current kids will get bigger and no longer fit in the squished backseats of a two door.

• 47:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think that, I think that like, maybe I can get away with a six twelve next. Um, but that's like it.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  It's a big boy two door.

• 47:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's a big.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  That's as big as I get, yeah.

• 47:15Doug DeMuro?

  And that, but that's like it. Then I gotta switch to four door cars.

• 47:17Speaker 05

  Well, I'm pumped you're, you're big on the Supra.

• 47:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 47:19Speaker 05

  I said, we've been all looking at it for the entirety of the summer.

• 47:22Doug DeMuro?

  A couple of things about it. First off, it, this is gonna be sacrilege and the Porsche people are gonna hate me even more than they already do. I swear to God, it drives better than my nine nine three. I swear to God. It's not faster, for sure. But I swear to God, the suspension is better. Now, the nine nine three people would say, well, you had your suspension always on the stock height, which is too high. Well, that's how it came. I like having these experiences like OE, like this is what it was like in ninety four, ninety six, right? And that's how it came. And it was, it's a soft kind of, you know, that's what it is. The Supra feels more athletic and I love that too, Jay-Z. It is a smooth powertrain. It is easy to go and get power. It has a lot of power in the, in the mid-range.

• 47:59Speaker 05

  You're not wanting just a little more?

• 48:01Doug DeMuro?

  For these purposes, I got cars with a zillion horsepower.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  What about just like a blow off valve?

• 48:05Doug DeMuro?

  I got a Ford GT. I got, I got all these cars. Every, all you guys, like Kenan's like, he's gonna hate this thing. You don't understand, my purpose for the car is daily use to drive to tennis and to my kid's school to drop him off. And it's so good for that. And the thing I wasn't really expecting, but should have, people lose their minds as much as the Countach.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  Wow, really?

• 48:25Doug DeMuro?

  Countach. Any stoplight you're next to any Japanese car, and in California especially, there's this big Asian car culture. People roll down their window, oh my God, a Mark IV, holy crap. I had a guy follow me home. He had no idea who I was. Yesterday, he followed me home and he said, hey, man, I'm so sorry to follow you home. Where did you get that car? It is my dream car. I have always wanted one. I have a one-year-old son. I want to buy one and keep it my whole life and then give it to him when

• 48:51Speaker 04

  Wow, so sweet.

• 48:52Doug DeMuro?

  And I, I told him.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  Could have Googled it, but there was less.

• 48:56Doug DeMuro?

  He's like, well, his first question was, are you selling? And I was like, no, I just got it like yesterday.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  I'm glad you love it. Do your kids like it more than the nine eleven?

• 49:03Doug DeMuro?

  Kids love it. It's the convertible. It's a convertible, so the kids love it more than the nine eleven already. But also I think they just like, they're at an age where they're getting like really into the cars a little bit more. And they see how excited I am. And I think they've already seen how excited the other people around them are. They're like, what is he, why are these people coming?

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Blowing ad budget on metrics that look great till the CFO sees them. That's bull spend and marketers are calling it out in. Dashboard confessions.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, it'll be good for the brand when leads were slow. Yeah, it, it wasn't.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  Cut the bull spend. LinkedIn lets you target by company, job title and more. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend two hundred fifty dollars on your first campaign and get a two hundred fifty dollar credit. Go to LinkedIn.com slash campaign. Terms and conditions apply.

• 49:49Speaker 05

  The kids kinda, I've noticed that with my cars, like the kids are as excited as I am for it. So the more I'm excited, the more they match that level. It doesn't matter what the car is. So, and like always, if I'm over a car, they somehow pick up on that and they're over it too. You went nuts over the summer buying cars, but you didn't have to face any of the inconveniences and hassle. So now you're here and you got three cars of various stages.

• 50:10Doug DeMuro?

  Other two.

• 50:11Speaker 05

  Like you're, you're gonna pay the price now.

• 50:13Doug DeMuro?

  The other two, which is this Mercedes Benz, station wagon, and then there's some sort of Ford. I don't, I haven't revealed it yet. God knows what it is. They both have undergone significant servicing before coming to me.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  I really hope it's an SVT Cobra.

• 50:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, could be a Tourney Cobra. Could be a Tourney Cobra.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Tourney would be cool.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  I would, I'd, I'd buy it.

• 50:31Doug DeMuro?

  That'd be a good four-seater family car for the kid.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  I agree, especially a Mr. Crumb. Kids would love that.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 50:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, hadn't considered that. Convertible Tourney Cobra.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Headroom for days.

• 50:40Doug DeMuro?

  Headroom for days. Legroom's tough.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  They just pat the legs like to the side up. I don't know.

• 50:46Doug DeMuro?

  I, uh, true, but so the result of all this is there's gonna be an enormous amount of car movements. I am, I bought three. I'll be announcing all three of them over the next eight weeks. I'm selling three.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 50:58Doug DeMuro?

  Is that what it is? It's three and three?

• 50:59Speaker 05

  This is a lot of headaches.

• 51:00Doug DeMuro?

  It's a lot of headaches.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  A lot of headaches for someone who doesn't tolerate headaches.

• 51:03Doug DeMuro?

  We have a baby do in thirty-eight days.

• 51:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. You've, you've bit off a lot.

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  So it's a lot, it's a lot going on.

• 51:12Speaker 05

  You're gonna be off cars in thirty-nine days. And in part because you overdid it in the thirty-eight days leading up to this event.

• 51:18Doug DeMuro?

  I just, if I'm honest, I have always wanted the, the four car garage that I now have.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:24Doug DeMuro?

  Which, with the Supra. I love the nine nine nine nine three and I got it because we found the right one at the right time, but I always wanted the Supra to be the fourth. And I actually like it even more than I expected it to.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  I'm so glad. It's also so cool to see it with the others.

• 51:36Doug DeMuro?

  When do you see like a clean Mark IV driver? I was thinking about all these people rolling down their window at me. Cause I have the roof off, yeah, stock. I have the roof off and so people talk to me more than in other cars.

• 51:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I could see that.

• 51:47Doug DeMuro?

  And like, how cool is it to see a clean Mark IV? Like I would freak out too. I would be like, yo, man, that's awesome.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:54Doug DeMuro?

  Or a three thousand GT or any of those, but like the Mark IV has, Mark IV has become the, the car. I also didn't realize, but I timed it with the twenty-fifth anniversary of Fast and the Furious release thing, which has become like, it's also a big cultural thing. I've seen it all over Instagram. We're gonna go, me and Felipe are gonna go.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  What?

• 52:10Doug DeMuro?

  No, we're not actually. Maybe put our arms around each other and go to theater.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  In the Supra, obviously.

• 52:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  Imagine if they were driving. Somebody should do a drive-in screening and only invite cars from the movie.

• 52:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that'd be great.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  I would go.

• 52:22Doug DeMuro?

  There are drive-ins all over the place.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  All the other Supras though would be like two-stepping the entire movie. You'd see nothing. Vape clouds everywhere.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  You actually like have, like, collect all the keys so that nobody can do that.

• 52:32Doug DeMuro?

  It is wild, like driving it around. I wonder what people think. Like, I, I didn't notice the sheer number of modded Japanese cars until I got the Supra. And then I'm paying attention to them because I know.

• 52:40Speaker 05

  Are people trying to race?

• 52:41Doug DeMuro?

  They're all gonna, no one's tried to race, but they're all gonna like thumbs up or take a picture or say something, all of them. And, um, and I, I didn't really notice how many of those cars are around. But what do those people think of me? They're probably like some, some jerk and his stock, like overpaid stock Supra, which is true.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 52:58Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna talk, so that's all happening. Are you excited for all the car movements? Are you gonna buy any of my cars?

• 53:02Speaker 05

  I'm very excited for all the movements.

• 53:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 53:04Speaker 05

  I'm a potential buyer on your Ford GT if you should get rid of it.

• 53:08Speaker 04

  If that's one of the three, we don't know yet.

• 53:09Speaker 05

  The right price.

• 53:10Doug DeMuro?

  Uh huh. What's the right price to you?

• 53:12Speaker 05

  Uh, like twenty twenty-one values.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  That's appealing.

• 53:16Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't even sell it for that.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  That's appealing.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  I've given you a pretty good window. It was like yesterday. I mean, the C eight had barely been out.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  Bronco was brand new. You were probably still on like back order.

• 53:28Doug DeMuro?

  You've got a good point.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. Supply chain, man.

• 53:31Doug DeMuro?

  A Ford GT is gonna go and everybody's gotta prepare for that, okay? Are you gonna prepare for that?

• 53:37Speaker 05

  What do I need to prepare?

• 53:38Doug DeMuro?

  Well, are you gonna be sad?

• 53:40Speaker 05

  No, not necessarily.

• 53:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 53:42Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm proud of you. There was a moment where you were off cars. I like to think I had a, a little small part.

• 53:49Doug DeMuro?

  I went three years, three years without buying a car. And then we got that twin turbo. Me and Sean drove up to Santa Clarita and got that twin turbo.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 53:55Doug DeMuro?

  And that's when everything changed.

• 53:56Speaker 05

  Dude, the value prop of having you as a friend is supposed to be that you're bringing all these cars into our lives.

• 54:01Doug DeMuro?

  So true.

• 54:02Speaker 05

  And you were really falling short.

• 54:04Doug DeMuro?

  However, I will say the cars I'm choosing are not resonating with our group. Like you guys hate the Supra. You guys are not interested in a Ford GT heritage if such a car was to exist. Like, it's not really.

• 54:14Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm, I'm into these for the record. I'm in all of them.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  I feel as ambivalent as I ever have.

• 54:19Doug DeMuro?

  But I, I get what I like and I always have.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  I would like to buy them. I, I, I think those cars are overvalued for what I would personally spend my money on. But for you?

• 54:31Speaker 05

  Good on you.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  Good on you.

• 54:33Speaker 05

  I support people being happy.

• 54:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's sweet. How beautiful.

• 54:36Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 54:37Doug DeMuro?

  How beautiful.

• 54:38Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 54:38Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, so you're anti-tariff. I wanna talk also, the other, my other talk car segment, I'm sorry I've monopolized the talk car segment, although I haven't, I haven't talked about cars because I haven't done any car.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  I don't think you've thought about.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  It is so nice this pod doesn't start with us having thirty minutes of asking you to raise your camera, use the right microphone and try a little harder to up the production value.

• 54:58Doug DeMuro?

  Funny, like in the summer, I literally do not think about cars. I only drive my Sequoia for a full, almost four months. I don't do any car thought.

• 55:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:07Doug DeMuro?

  And yet I managed to buy three cars.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  You didn't drive that car?

• 55:10Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no. The car behind me?

• 55:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, that one.

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's being sold.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  It looks oddly clean. Like it's being prepped for sale.

• 55:16Doug DeMuro?

  Braden just, you know, we're selling it. It's over. You want it?

• 55:19Speaker 05

  No.

• 55:20Doug DeMuro?

  You sure?

• 55:20Speaker 05

  I got a better version at home.

• 55:22Doug DeMuro?

  It's like your full size, but better.

• 55:23Speaker 05

  No.

• 55:24Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  It's worse than every component.

• 55:25Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? It's more capable.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  Does it have a five-liter supercharged V eight with five hundred horsepower?

• 55:29Doug DeMuro?

  It has a five-liter V eight.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  Does it have heated rear seats?

• 55:32Doug DeMuro?

  No, but it could. There's.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  Does it have four doors?

• 55:34Doug DeMuro?

  Four doors is not a benefit if you're off-roading.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  I'm not off-roading.

• 55:38Doug DeMuro?

  I, me and Filippo are short wheelbase off-road guys.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 55:40Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I'm saying? We do switchbacks.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  I actually have a really long wheelbase in my two-wheel drive pickup truck.

• 55:45Doug DeMuro?

  Me and Filippo do Black Bear Pass every summer.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  I don't know what that means.

• 55:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you wouldn't, despite, despite your many years of off-road, of owning off-road vehicles.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 55:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I wanna talk about one other talk car segment, which is of course the Saturn files. Can you pull up the Saturn video?

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Absolutely can.

• 55:58Doug DeMuro?

  After many years, four years, Nick Stafford over here, he's, he's our video editor. He's edited the Saturn files. I begged him to do it.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  It's right there.

• 56:07Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the Saturn video's up and I watched it because it had been four years since I filmed it. And I watched it and I were, I was thinking to myself, this isn't all that good.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  I thought it was great.

• 56:17Speaker 05

  The car or the review?

• 56:19Doug DeMuro?

  The review.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  I thought it was delightful. It was nice to see like four years ago, Doug.

• 56:23Doug DeMuro?

  Funny story about this video. I only made this video because the fellow who had this Saturn was selling a Ferrari four, do you remember this?

• 56:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:30Doug DeMuro?

  Was selling a Ferrari four thirty Scuderia on Cars and Bids. And, and, and we were, we were showing up, I showed up at his house, like the day before I showed up, he said, hey, by the way, I also have this really clean Saturn. Do you wanna do a video on that too while you're here? And I was like, yeah, okay. And then it just never really worked in my schedule.

• 56:46Speaker 05

  Explain to me like I'm a child, which might be fair. What, how did this become a meme? Right? Like, okay, so you filmed this, but like it was every comment for years, it feels like.

• 56:56Doug DeMuro?

  Time.

• 56:57Speaker 05

  Like, how did that catch on?

• 56:59Speaker 04

  You posted that you were, a picture of this car four years ago.

• 57:02Speaker 05

  Reviewing it. Are there just that many Saturn fans out there?

• 57:04Doug DeMuro?

  No, no. And then at some point, it, it thumbnails or something showed up in some of our content, right? Something like that.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it was in, yeah, that's right. We had an ad. It had appeared. People knew it was out there. They didn't care about the Saturn. They only cared about the fact they knew I had this like one video. And then it became this thing, cause like X10, it was like, that was being, it was like, oh, Doug has this holding this Saturn video, just like they're holding that. And so that became the release the Saturn files thing. And um.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  I was surprised at how frequent and like with fervor, these comments were about release the Saturn files.

• 57:39Doug DeMuro?

  Walking down the street in Washington DC, I swear to God, I can't believe I haven't told this story. I was walking down the street in Washington DC this spring. And a man walked by and yelled out, release the Saturn file. I had never seen this guy before. He didn't say anything else. I swear to God, that happened.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  That's incredible.

• 57:55Doug DeMuro?

  Um, and so now it's over.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  Now we have?

• 57:58Doug DeMuro?

  And, and, and you know, a little bit of a letdown.

• 58:00Speaker 05

  So what, yeah, what, where would it go from here?

• 58:03Doug DeMuro?

  Well, now, this, the real problem is.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  Are we going back to Doug is the kind of guy commented?

• 58:07Doug DeMuro?

  The real reason, truthfully, that I never released a Saturn video before, Nick Stafford knows this, our editor, God incarnate. Is because we always used it as a buffer video. So when I was out, when I was away for the summer, that, this was always the video that held the place. Of like the very last day, in case I showed up and like couldn't get a video done and we needed a video. But I was always able to come back and immediately start recording. And then there's a backlog of stuff we have to get through. And so this ended up getting pushed till the following summer.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  So was this a buffer video this week?

• 58:37Doug DeMuro?

  And, and we finally had to use it for various reasons. Um, so now it's gone. It's done.

• 58:44Speaker 05

  It's not like you were filming in the Peterson Museum and there was loud noises everywhere and you just went with it?

• 58:49Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the XKR really upset me. We put up this video, pull that up. We put up this video of this.

• 58:53Speaker 05

  That was one of my favorite Doug videos in a while.

• 58:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, me too. And by the way, you should have driven, that car was miserable to drive.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  Sure, I'm sure.

• 59:00Doug DeMuro?

  I cannot explain to you how miserable that car was to drive. So not only did that car not have an exhaust, so it was the loudest thing I've ever driven. But it also, it didn't have a firewall at all.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  And it was like an old Windsor motor, like it was.

• 59:11Doug DeMuro?

  It was, it was, it was.

• 59:12Speaker 05

  Was it carbureted?

• 59:13Doug DeMuro?

  It was a five liter V8. The way it was a carburetor, I thought it came from Explorer. I don't remember.

• 59:18Speaker 05

  Something really crude.

• 59:19Doug DeMuro?

  It was a big old five liter Ford V8. And it, there was no firewall. It was so hot, like indescribable, sitting in there, how hot it was. The motor was there with you basically in the car. And if you put your knees too far forward, you were touching like some superheated component. This was the worst experience I have ever had. And it goes to remind you, like this car looked cool on screen.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  Amazing.

• 59:41Doug DeMuro?

  And it just goes to remind you, like, concept cars, movie cars, they look cool.

• 59:46Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 59:46Doug DeMuro?

  That's all they do. That's all they do.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  Uh, I would like to prefer the new conspiracy now that the Saturn files are out.

• 59:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  There's that video where you have like a gash in your forehead.

• 59:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 05

  Uh, I think of your Quattroporte, maybe?

• 59:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:00:00Speaker 05

  Uh, and so I think that we need more information.

• 1:00:02Doug DeMuro?

  I.

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  There is a cover up.

• 1:00:04Doug DeMuro?

  I actually, that, that was annoying because I got stitches that day. And then I filmed the Quattroporte video, cause I was so backed up. Um, but that was annoying because I did announce in like seven videos what happened, but because the stitches were in like 30 videos.

• 1:00:17Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:18Doug DeMuro?

  It was, you know, it wasn't enough announcing, right? Like people didn't, people didn't watch the seven videos.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  Some conspiracies, that's all I'm saying. I need answers.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  I slipped and fell in my garage. I'll never forget that day. I slipped and fell in my garage, bleeding. I drove Nick's Quattroporte up to get stitches. I got stitches. I came home, did the whole Quattroporte video, and then went to my garage and filmed like three Sunday videos.

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  You know what my conspiracy theory is? He's growing out his beard, familiar. Growing out the length of his hair a little bit, familiar. Buying a lot of cars at a lower price point that are family friendly, like I think he's starting to, he's becoming crazy Nick. And then I'm buying Kias and like kind of toning it down a little bit. Like we're trading places.

• 1:00:58Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, can we talk about?

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  Following in my footsteps.

• 1:01:00Doug DeMuro?

  Can we talk about the Kia?

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  We, I guess.

• 1:01:02Doug DeMuro?

  Cause I owned a Kia before you.

• 1:01:04Speaker 05

  There's not a whole lot to talk about.

• 1:01:05Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, but, but let's, let's talk about how we're feeling about it.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  Nick has a Kia Sorento plug-in hybrid that is the perfect fit for his family. His family likes it. He doesn't.

• 1:01:13Doug DeMuro?

  I also have a little regret. I'm going to tell you a little Nick story. So this summer, Nick was looking for a plug-in hybrid SUV. And there's only like two that aren't expensive. There's a bunch of expensive ones, but there's only like two that are not crazy expensive. And Nick had narrowed it down to this Kia Sorento and this Volvo. And the Volvo was like two years old, but like 70 grand or something, right?

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  Uh, 5999, 60.

• 1:01:35Doug DeMuro?

  But these, but seven year old Volvos were like 8,300 dollars on Craigslist. And I told Nick that he would, it would be a horrible mistake because the depreciation would be unbelievable.

• 1:01:45Speaker 05

  Much as I love that.

• 1:01:46Doug DeMuro?

  And Nick is one of the most convincing people that I know.

• 1:01:49Speaker 05

  That's nice.

• 1:01:49Doug DeMuro?

  He's a, he's a salesperson who's easy to sell to. And he, I convinced him not to get the Volvo because of the depreciation thing. And now he got the Kia instead, and he regrets it significantly. Not to mention the damage he did with the relationship with his neighbor.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  His neighbor does own the dealership that he bought it from. I, I think, had I spent an extra 20, 25 grand on that Volvo, I would still feel meh about it. Like it would. I, I would just have 20 grand less to spend on cool cars and be like, eh, it's like a mom car. Like I don't think, I don't think it would, I would be slightly look at it and think, oh, that's a cool car. But like, I, I feel like I would also have a little buyer's remorse.

• 1:02:29Doug DeMuro?

  Do you regret the obvious thing you should regret, which is limiting yourself to the three plug-in hybrid?

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  I regret not getting a Toyota 4Runner. That was the right end.

• 1:02:37Doug DeMuro?

  You would, there's no three or four.

• 1:02:39Speaker 05

  A new body?

• 1:02:39Doug DeMuro?

  There are, yeah.

• 1:02:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, there are.

• 1:02:41Doug DeMuro?

  With the hybrid?

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  No, that, that's. I couldn't get the hybrid. I would have had to just go gas, which is fine.

• 1:02:45Doug DeMuro?

  So you would have just given up every single one of your others?

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, or a Telluride, that, had I given up the plug-in hybrid.

• 1:02:50Doug DeMuro?

  I begged you to get the same.

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

  I will say, I enjoy the plug-in component. Like most of our miles are EV. I think I'm getting like 130 miles per gallon on average since last fill up. Like it meets our needs really well. It is just a super boring, practical yawn of a car.

• 1:03:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's okay. When, when you have an SLR, you're allowed to have a yawn of a car. When you sell on SLR, you gotta reconsider. I mean, maybe, but I don't have any yawn cars.

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  You know what? Also, my wife, who's not a car person, said, I have to drive it differently because he's like, when I make a dicey move in the Cayenne, I have all this power and I can just. Like I can do like a, a yellow light really well versus this car doesn't have the get up and go. Also, so she's learning that when you lose 420 naturally aspirated horsepower, you lose something.

• 1:03:33Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you also another obvious question that I think is obvious? Um, up in your area, brand and badging is important.

• 1:03:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Doug DeMuro?

  Do you have any?

• 1:03:43Speaker 05

  I mean, we got a Range Rover convertible and HRE.

• 1:03:45Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:03:45Speaker 05

  Like, I'm good, I'm good.

• 1:03:47Doug DeMuro?

  I, I think that you should accept that it's not for you. That's okay.

• 1:03:51Speaker 05

  It, it's definitely not.

• 1:03:52Doug DeMuro?

  That's okay.

• 1:03:54Speaker 05

  That's, but yeah, I, I think it was a rash decision over the summer that, I, I wouldn't be surprised and I'm not sure how to exit it. But like, I'm thinking of trading it in.

• 1:04:03Doug DeMuro?

  Does it have paper, does it have plates?

• 1:04:06Speaker 05

  Uh, no, it's still on paper. I haven't been sent a title. I'm sure they could figure that out.

• 1:04:10Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta just.

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  But like, if a cool 2027 model comes out, like I'm convincible.

• 1:04:15Doug DeMuro?

  Man, jeez.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  Or one of these EERV things?

• 1:04:18Doug DeMuro?

  EERV, yes.

• 1:04:19Speaker 05

  EERV?

• 1:04:20Doug DeMuro?

  Santa range EVs.

• 1:04:20Speaker 05

  I.

• 1:04:21Doug DeMuro?

  That would, that would have fit the bill.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  Santa Fe coming out in 27. If Rivian has an R1S with a gas backup motor.

• 1:04:28Doug DeMuro?

  They won't.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  I'm down.

• 1:04:29Doug DeMuro?

  They're EV only.

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  One time I was working.

• 1:04:31Doug DeMuro?

  I think I just saw a bird.

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  In here?

• 1:04:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  I swear to God. Or a bat?

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  That'd be unfortunate.

• 1:04:39Speaker 05

  Maybe at too many Celsius. I swear.

• 1:04:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is Nick.

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  If you see something black fly across the.

• 1:04:46Doug DeMuro?

  This is the problem with Nick. Now you're understanding.

• 1:04:49Speaker 05

  Roll back the tape.

• 1:04:50Doug DeMuro?

  Crazy. He's crazy.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  Someone at the beach came up to me and said, crazy Nick. I'm not crazy.

• 1:04:57Doug DeMuro?

  Are you not crazy? You think there's a bird in here? How could a bird get in here? We're 20 feet underground or 50, 60 feet underground?

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  Elevator with a garage door.

• 1:05:04Doug DeMuro?

  You think we didn't notice in the elevator, there's a bird? And then what? It flies down?

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  It could have came in that weird Buick thing or any of these cars. You've never had a bird in your car?

• 1:05:13Doug DeMuro?

  I've never had a bird in the office or in my car.

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  Well, um, okay.

• 1:05:17Doug DeMuro?

  Birds.

• 1:05:18Speaker 05

  Uh, should we talk about the market report brought to you by Cars and Bits?

• 1:05:21Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, well, I want to talk about the Cayenne. I do want to talk market report, but only about one car. And then we got to move on to questions. The Cayenne, you're selling your Cayenne GTS.

• 1:05:29Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:05:30Doug DeMuro?

  Did, did you?

• 1:05:31Speaker 05

  On the site.

• 1:05:31Doug DeMuro?

  Did you remove your political bumper stickers from it?

• 1:05:34Speaker 05

  There's a lot removed from the rear bumper, including some paint.

• 1:05:37Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so.

• 1:05:40Speaker 05

  What a way to sell a car.

• 1:05:42Doug DeMuro?

  I am pro-.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  This is something I can't get around disclosing or not.

• 1:05:46Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing you can get around disclosing. He's gonna not disclose everything. Pull up Cayenne GTS. What, what year is it?

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  This is terrifying. You guys just sold a turbo that, it had a questionable livery on it for like nine.

• 1:05:58Doug DeMuro?

  What year is it?

• 1:05:59Speaker 05

  2014 GTS.

• 1:06:00Doug DeMuro?

  So look up like 12.

• 1:06:01Speaker 05

  13, 15, right?

• 1:06:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, sure. Although 15 was a facelift, right?

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  These cars are the best value in the world. Yeah, 2014 would be the max.

• 1:06:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so how many miles ago?

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  21, 24, 50. I got 130, 129 and change.

• 1:06:12Doug DeMuro?

  On this one, this one just sold, but it's got like some mods. With 110, this one just sold for 21, but it's got, it's got some like upgrades.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  I got trade-in offers when I was.

• 1:06:21Doug DeMuro?

  24, 17.

• 1:06:22Speaker 05

  Looking at these regrettable vehicles for 11. So I figure as long as I beat that, I'm not.

• 1:06:27Doug DeMuro?

  But it's a cool color.

• 1:06:28Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:06:28Doug DeMuro?

  17 gets you a cool color GTS.

• 1:15:55Speaker 05

  And I think much like the birds in the office, there's some disagreement as to whether they exist.

• 1:16:00Doug DeMuro?

  The question wasn't about whether Scholastic book fairs still exist.

• 1:16:05Speaker 05

  I think, are there poster cars anymore? Not are there Scholastic book fairs anymore?

• 1:16:10Doug DeMuro?

  He's insane. He's insane. He says to us 20 minutes ago, someone carried you at the beach and called me crazy Nick. Why do you think they do that? You're crazy. You're over here telling us that they still have Scholastic book fairs.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Good information.

• 1:16:26Doug DeMuro?

  So there is. They got all sorts of stuff. It's so cool.

• 1:16:30Speaker 05

  Are there poster cars anymore? I don't really think there are.

• 1:16:32Doug DeMuro?

  Today's, I'm gonna answer the question straight, because he's not able to. He can't even pay attention. I mean, the question was, what was that, 14 words?

• 1:16:40Speaker 05

  We're pretty, we're an hour and 14 minutes in, alright?

• 1:16:42Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the, the, the poster cars for today's youth, I've learned, are Koenigsegg's and Pagani's. I don't know if they physically have posters.

• 1:16:49Speaker 05

  That's the thing. I, I don't, they may have the Scholastic book fair.

• 1:16:52Doug DeMuro?

  Poster car in the same way, like your phone background, or, or the cars that you on Instagram.

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  Every Pagani has looked the same. Every Koenigsegg has looked the same.

• 1:16:59Doug DeMuro?

  But, but that's what, that's what the kids think about the stuff that you're into.

• 1:17:03Speaker 05

  Do they have pictures up on the wall?

• 1:17:04Doug DeMuro?

  I, I don't know about that, but, but I don't know if posters are like still a thing in the same way. I think probably. But the kids of today are into the Koenigsegg's, the Pagani's.

• 1:17:12Speaker 05

  They're into the hypercars. They're into the Lambos. To be fair, like a Countach was a, that was the pinnacle. Just like these are the pinnacle now.

• 1:17:19Doug DeMuro?

  But the question is, what are the poster cars? I think that's what it is. I think it's like, those are the cars that the kids today like really get into. I think like, on a lesser exotic level, shockingly, the GT3RS is like a huge car of the youth.

• 1:17:31Speaker 05

  Porsche GT cars are. Big, big wings, right?

• 1:17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Ferraris seem less so. Like, the kids aren't as into Ferraris these days.

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  Have you seen any?

• 1:17:39Doug DeMuro?

  Some of them are cool. No, they're cool. The Ferraris are cool, but I think the kids.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  They're not extreme anymore.

• 1:17:44Doug DeMuro?

  The kids don't think they're that extreme. The kids think they're kinda more for older people.

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Doug DeMuro?

  Which is kinda true.

• 1:17:49Speaker 05

  The, the 458 came out, and it was like an extreme design.

• 1:17:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  And before that, that 40 and that 50 are like, striking. And then so.

• 1:17:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 05

  An SF90?

• 1:17:58Doug DeMuro?

  Ferrari's definitely more beautiful, and, but as a result, more tame.

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Doug DeMuro?

  But it does make you wonder if, if the Ferrari enthusiasm carries forward when you, when you can pretty clearly see in this latest generation. And everybody always agrees. Young people buy when they become rich old people. They buy what they liked as kids.

• 1:18:14Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:18:14Doug DeMuro?

  You can see kinda where that's going to go.

• 1:18:17Speaker 05

  The Veyron was a little more striking visually. I also do think something like a Cybertruck for a brief period was, or a Tesla Roadster that doesn't exist, like, gets hype from that crowd.

• 1:18:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  I'll say, I know this wasn't the question.

• 1:18:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh boy.

• 1:18:31Speaker 05

  But kids, to, to answer your question.

• 1:18:34Doug DeMuro?

  I can't do anymore.

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  Kids still do posters. My kids have a surf poster. My son has a, a poster that I made of him, where he's in the SLR, like pretending to drive with the door up. And then I replaced the background using AI to be like a, like an animated track kinda thing. And like, they love their posters. So that is, that is still also a thing. I do think people are like, the, the posters, you know how like, kids these days wear Nirvana shirts, but they weren't alive during Nirvana? Like, I, I think it's, there's still a lot of like vintage throwback kinda vibes to it, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're the same poster cars we lusted after.

• 1:19:09Doug DeMuro?

  Aside from Sports Illustrated swimsuit model posters, what posters did you have up in your room?

• 1:19:14Speaker 05

  So, fun fact, my, I had this like, really ugly wallpaper as a kid that I didn't like. I covered every square inch of my room with snowboarding and skateboarding magazines. So I ripped out page by page, and it took me like, weeks. But every single inch of my room was covered, so you could not see any of the wallpaper.

• 1:19:32Doug DeMuro?

  You weren't into snowboarding and skateboarding?

• 1:19:34Speaker 05

  I'm still into it. I just was terrible at it, so I didn't make it a career.

• 1:19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't you stunned that with his ADHD, he was able to do that?

• 1:19:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. It must have taken him a year. Yeah, it did take a while.

• 1:19:43Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:19:43Speaker 05

  Um, that, I, I've seen a picture. You sent a picture before. It's looked very cool. That's why when I met Todd Richards, he was selling the TT RS, and I'm like, I literally had pictures of you in my bedroom as a child, as weird as that sounds.

• 1:19:54Doug DeMuro?

  So you didn't have cars?

• 1:19:56Speaker 05

  I didn't, no.

• 1:19:57Doug DeMuro?

  Did you?

• 1:19:57Speaker 05

  I'm not a poster person.

• 1:19:58Doug DeMuro?

  I had, believe it or not, a Countach.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  Did you really? Wow.

• 1:20:02Doug DeMuro?

  Blue.

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  Legit?

• 1:20:03Doug DeMuro?

  And a Testarossa.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  What vintage?

• 1:20:06Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the same one I have. It was a, a round belly, but it was not a, it was not a 400 Periscopio. It was, it was the same one I have. It was probably a high, a high car now that I think about it. So it was my car exactly, but blue. And then I had a Testarossa, which I don't, I'm not into.

• 1:20:20Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 1:20:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I'm too young to have a Cadillac Countach poster, but I did.

• 1:20:26Speaker 05

  When we still lived in, in Italy, but were moving to the US, my stepdad in the US had a XJ Cherokee. And so I had a little picture of an XJ Cherokee. Yeah, I was gonna guess.

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• 1:20:44Speaker 01

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• 1:21:04Speaker 05

  Like a Volkswagen Polo.

• 1:21:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:21:07Speaker 05

  Something I'd be legitimately surprised they made a poster of.

• 1:21:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, next question, uh, next question for, next question for, oh wow, Sean wants me to do this one. Oh, Filippo wants me to do this one.

• 1:21:20Speaker 05

  I, I, I'm highlighting a random.

• 1:21:21Doug DeMuro?

  Xandre3000, dear Doug, in your pursuit of the best four-seater, Nick, I need you to pay attention for the question, because otherwise.

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  I'm looking for it in writing, so I can read while you articulate.

• 1:21:29Doug DeMuro?

  I, I wanna be clear, this is, I just was highlighting a random. Did you hear what he just said?

• 1:21:33Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:21:33Doug DeMuro?

  He wants me to, he doesn't, he doesn't wanna listen. He wants to read instead of listening.

• 1:21:38Speaker 05

  People learn better that way.

• 1:21:39Doug DeMuro?

  Same exact thing.

• 1:21:40Speaker 05

  No, some people learn better that way.

• 1:21:41Doug DeMuro?

  Dear Doug, in your pursuit for the best four-seater manual car, he's not doing either!

• 1:21:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Doug DeMuro?

  Was the M2 ever in consideration, specifically the M2 Competition or M2CS? I remember you raving about that car. Um, Sean's got one of those.

• 1:21:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, Sean does have an M2.

• 1:21:56Doug DeMuro?

  I still haven't seen it, but I hear about it.

• 1:21:57Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:21:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  Oh, it's upstairs.

• 1:21:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's cool. Uh, no, you know what, you know what hit me with this whole Supra thing and the 993 turbo thing? Especially for this purpose, the daily use car. Where I'm dropping off my kids and my dog and picking up ice and, and, you know, um, I like icons.

• 1:22:16Speaker 05

  You like icons, and also you're willing to put up with, you're willing to pay more.

• 1:22:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I'm willing to pay more.

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  And also you're willing to put, like, it doesn't matter.

• 1:22:24Doug DeMuro?

  Like, this question is predicated on the, on the, on the, on the thought that I, it says, in your pursuit for the best four-seater manual fun car. That's not really what I was looking for.

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:32Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't want the best four-seater. I wanted like a cool car. Driving a Mark IV Supra to me is super cool. I don't think driving an M2 is that cool. I think they're amazing cars, way better than the Mark IV Supra from a driving perspective in every way. But like, it's a car you see. It's not, but like, driving the Mark IV Supra, and, and from a perspective of like, cruising around with my kids at stoplights. I'm not looking for the best driving experience, but I am looking for like a, a cool feel and experience and like a cultural moment, and that's what the Supra is.

• 1:23:01Speaker 05

  And I think there is something for like the pattern interrupt. Like, you just don't see Supras or 993 turbos. Like, you see M2s quite a bit. And I love them. I agree with you. Like, it's a better car objectively, but like, it's special that you're driving around a Mark IV Supra, and everyone's losing their minds. If you picked an M2. You would enjoy that a little bit more, although you could go on the Carrera GT if you wanted driving experience. But you wouldn't, it wouldn't have that sense of occasion.

• 1:23:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 05

  You're also not looking for the best all-purpose car. You're looking for like, a specific purpose where if it doesn't, if your Supra, or when you eventually have a 612, if it needs something, great, who cares? It doesn't impact your daily life. Sean needed that car as a car that he can use as a daily driver. Wouldn't, wouldn't the 1M be a better answer?

• 1:23:42Doug DeMuro?

  Probably for the icon thing that I'm going for.

• 1:23:45Speaker 05

  It would be closer to that anyways.

• 1:23:47Doug DeMuro?

  But I have no regrets about stuff like the M2. Yes, a better car, but not really what I'm going for.

• 1:23:51Speaker 05

  M2 is slept on, man.

• 1:23:53Doug DeMuro?

  I completely agree. It's an amazing car. But I still think that like Kennon and some others are struggling to understand. Uh, and clearly this fellow too. Exactly my purposes. Do you understand?

• 1:24:03Speaker 05

  I do.

• 1:24:04Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, from Spencer Spotted, uh, what was your most nostalgic car that a family member or childhood friend had? When, like, when you think back about your childhood, what is the car that like, you're the most kinda nostalgic for, that's the most interesting?

• 1:24:18Speaker 05

  You're one of the least nostalgic persons you know.

• 1:24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Sure, but like, you must have, what's, what's your highest memory? Like, you're, you're like biggest memory of a car, even if there's not actually nostalgia. Like, what do you think helped shape you the most as a person? My mom, when I was a kid, we had a 1993, Nick's doing some.

• 1:24:36Speaker 05

  I'm adding a question.

• 1:24:37Doug DeMuro?

  We, my mom, when I was a kid, we had a 1993 Isuzu Rodeo.

• 1:24:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:42Doug DeMuro?

  Six-shift, four-wheel drive.

• 1:24:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:45Doug DeMuro?

  That car I remember pretty well.

• 1:24:47Speaker 05

  Does that have to be owned by someone in your family?

• 1:24:49Doug DeMuro?

  Nah, just, it was in your orbit.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  The C5 Corvette, purple on yellow wheels, the, it was the Indy pace car.

• 1:24:57Doug DeMuro?

  You knew someone with an Indy C5?

• 1:24:59Speaker 05

  A lawyer on our street, who had the biggest house on the entire street, had one of those. And like, very proud of it. Like, you saw it around, and it was like, that's a purple on yellow Corvette, just driving around Sandusky, Ohio.

• 1:25:11Doug DeMuro?

  That is some Midwest.

• 1:25:13Speaker 05

  It was peak Midwest. The first performance car, I was given a ride in, we lived in Massachusetts, Western Mass, my neighbor bought a C5 Corvette.

• 1:25:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:20Speaker 05

  And took me for a ride, like, literally just down the block. And probably gave it half throttle, but that was 10 times faster than any prior car I'd ever been in.

• 1:25:28Doug DeMuro?

  And you weren't interested in the speed anyway, so you were like, I don't know, this isn't much for me.

• 1:25:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. The other car that had printed on me, which is why I'm still obsessed with the XKR, was at my high school graduation, someone brought an XKR in the twenties, that was like the new car at the time, and let me drive it.

• 1:25:43Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, damn, JG.

• 1:25:45Speaker 05

  And so I was already like having a good day, you know, then I got to drive that, and I'm like, I want one of these so bad. And now that they're eight grand, I'm, still want one.

• 1:25:52Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, Nicky Loop, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:55Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question.

• 1:25:56Speaker 05

  Did you see there was a new question?

• 1:25:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Next question from NNNIKOK03. He, he, he just wrote his username down. He could have picked any username. He chose 03.

• 1:26:05Speaker 05

  I get, you know what? I think my username's different on Cars a Bit.

• 1:26:08Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think the 958 Cayenne is a great underweighted car worth at least $20,000? Definitely not a $13,000 car. No, I think it's a $13,000 car, since you asked. Uh, next question.

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  I think we should open that up for debate. It is, I, ChatGPT says that I should list it for 21.5 and accept offers over 19.

• 1:26:29Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, do it. Uh, do it. Um, next question.

• 1:26:34Speaker 05

  I do think it's a good car.

• 1:26:35Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 05

  Filippo agrees. Thank you.

• 1:26:37Doug DeMuro?

  And you're asking the same question, so I'm gonna answer it, from Brynell, Brynyell. Dear Doug, you talked so many things in your Bronco review, so many good things in your Bronco review, but you're opting for a Wrangler. What changed?

• 1:26:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. That is a good question.

• 1:26:50Doug DeMuro?

  Here's what happened there.

• 1:26:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:54Doug DeMuro?

  I went over to the, the Bronco dealership for, you know, and.

• 1:27:00Doug DeMuro?

  I don't just want a Bronco. I want something special.

• 1:27:04Speaker 05

  Good a Filson.

• 1:27:05Doug DeMuro?

  I want like a cool special. Like all my cars are like, they're not, I just don't buy like,

• 1:27:09Speaker 05

  They're like Sasquatch?

• 1:27:09Doug DeMuro?

  I don't buy like the LX model like he would.

• 1:27:11Speaker 05

  There's so many special versions of the Bronco. Are you nuts?

• 1:27:13Doug DeMuro?

  So I went in there and the only truly special Bronco is the Raptor.

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  Yep, which is cool.

• 1:27:19Doug DeMuro?

  And the Raptor is so grossly over the top, ridiculous, over proportioned, absurd for me. I can't pull it off. Look up one. It's an unbelievable presence on the road. It's just absolutely ridiculous. It's absolutely not normal. It's so wide and so ridiculous and so absurd. And so I was like, I can't do this. But Jeeps over here, and this is the really cool thing about American, our American freedom. Jeeps over here selling Wrangler 392s that look completely identical to every other Jeep. There is no possible way to tell them apart.

• 1:28:01Speaker 05

  The hood scoop?

• 1:28:01Doug DeMuro?

  Except for the hood bulge. And the gold accents, by the way, for 26, they don't even have those anymore. It's just the hood and the quad exhaust. But obviously when you start it up, you can tell too because of the sound. But that's true of the Raptor too. So.

• 1:28:12Speaker 05

  Quad exhausts that have quad exhausts?

• 1:28:14Doug DeMuro?

  Or dual exhaust, whatever. It's a second pipe.

• 1:28:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:17Doug DeMuro?

  And so the other thing is the Jeep has a V8 and the Bronco with 470 horsepower. The Bronco has a 460 with 420 horsepower. So I get 50 more horsepower. I get subtlety. I get a V8. This is the easiest system in my life.

• 1:28:31Speaker 05

  And you get Stellantis quality.

• 1:28:32Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, the Jeeps are $20,000 cheaper. You can get a 392 Wrangler all day long for $75,000 right now. And those Bronco Raptors start at 80, but like I didn't see one with a sticker on the 92.

• 1:28:42Speaker 05

  Do we need a Raptor though? Why don't I just get like a Sasquatch or a Badlands?

• 1:28:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's not like, I want, I want like a special.

• 1:28:49Speaker 05

  Whatever happened to, remember they're gonna do Senador?

• 1:28:51Doug DeMuro?

  Never happened.

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:52Doug DeMuro?

  I think about it all the time.

• 1:28:52Speaker 05

  Would that have changed it for you?

• 1:28:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:54Speaker 05

  Senador would be sick.

• 1:28:56Doug DeMuro?

  And I don't understand why they didn't do it because how hard could that have been really?

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  They had a lot of production issues with their top too, remember?

• 1:29:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, so that's why I'm getting a Wrangler and I can't wait.

• 1:29:06Speaker 05

  Uh, you're getting the Wrangler next summer?

• 1:29:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next spring, like six months. Yeah, I'm not doing it right now, but it's already happening and Nick's aware of it. Uh, there you go. I think those are, we have to stop there. We're way over time.

• 1:29:17Speaker 05

  Thank you guys up there.

• 1:29:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I really appreciate your presence on the podcast.

• 1:29:22Speaker 05

  That's so kind.

• 1:29:22Doug DeMuro?

  You, let's go start looking for that bird.

• 1:29:26Speaker 05

  Uh, quick reminder, if you have questions, put them in the comments below and the pinned comment on YouTube.

• 1:29:31Doug DeMuro?

  Hey Nick, I got a bird for you.