$40 Million Ferrari Luce? McLaren VS Gordon Murray, and More Manuals!THIS CAR POD! EP125

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  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Kenan.

• 1:09Speaker 05

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  And I'm Nick, filling in for Doug, who is traveling today. But we've got a heck of a show, so without further ado, let's jump on in.

• 1:18Speaker 05

  That's a nice intro. All right.

• 1:21Speaker 04

  Ferrari Luce.

• 1:22Speaker 05

  All right, the very first Luce, basically like inventory number zero, the zeroest one.

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Chassis zero, yeah.

• 1:27Speaker 05

  Chassis zero, the first one, which was finished in a tailor-made white with white wheels. Sold at our RM7.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  The hammer went down, sold. How much for?

• 1:38Speaker 05

  $40 million.

• 1:39Speaker 04

  I was in the room when it happened.

• 1:40Speaker 05

  Were people aghast?

• 1:42Speaker 04

  So it's interesting. If you listen to the recordings that RM has published about this, you hear a lot of people going, "Whoa, like this." What I experienced was there are people who knew nothing about cars that couldn't believe the number $40 million was just spoken in English.

• 1:54Speaker 05

  It's the highest auction sale ever. It's my recollection.

• 1:56Speaker 04

  I don't think ever.

• 1:58Speaker 03

  Certainly of the week.

• 1:59Speaker 05

  Of the week, rather, yeah.

• 2:01Speaker 04

  I don't think it was of the week either. I think they were priced and sold for more than that. It was, that day, it was the most expensive car. But RM had a, anyway, it was a whole thing. But the thing I noticed was that people were in two minds. There are people who are crazy about the number, and everybody else was like, "Give me a break. $40 million for a Luce." Now, Filippo, tell us why $40 million?

• 2:19Speaker 05

  Sorry, by the way, most expensive new car ever sold at auction.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:22Speaker 05

  So we're adding caveat, caveat. Okay, all the proceeds go to the Ferrari Foundation.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  And so there's a tax deductibility element here that you basically take the $40 million, subtract out the value of the car.

• 2:35Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:36Speaker 05

  Value that as you will, as Ferrari will. MSRP a little bit over that, whatever.

• 2:39Speaker 04

  He said $40 million is what he sold for.

• 2:41Speaker 05

  A million-dollar value, probably something around that. And then the rest is tax deductible, potentially over multiple years. And the buyer of it is a gentleman that also bought the SP3 for charity last year, and is a billionaire and is trying quite hard to be philanthropic. The submission that he's spoken very publicly about, he will apparently use this car to aid other charities in raising money, the extent to which a Ferrari Luce helps any charity raise money, I'll leave up to her.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  That's missing the point entirely. So, okay, the guy has a $5 billion net worth. He has made a pledge, and I believe publicly, to give away at least half of his net worth. It is incredibly difficult to give away that much money. So he made a $40 million charitable donation and happens to get a car in return. But this is like, to put this in numbers that people might understand or relate to a little bit better.

• 3:33Speaker 05

  We're getting to an economic.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  If you were worth a million dollars, this is like giving an, getting an $8,000 car, or like donating $8,000. Or if you had $100,000, this would be like spending $800. So this is the equivalent of me donating to my kid's school and getting like ice cream with the teacher. Like, the car is so irrelevant here. To give away $2 billion, $40 million is 0.8% of his net worth. Like, this is not, he has to do this every day for the rest of his life, and I don't know how old he is or how long he's gonna live, but like, he could give away $40 million for the rest of his life every single day, whether he gets a car, or a jacket, or a dinner, or...

• 4:15Speaker 05

  Donate the money, just throwing it out there.

• 4:16Speaker 04

  I'm accepting donations.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  You don't need to get something in return.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  He can go to Mar-a-Lago in his red hat every day and spend $40 million on dinner every night. Like, it is totally irrelevant. He did not pay $40 million for a car. He made a $40 million charitable donation, and he happened to get a car in return.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  However, Ferrari will need some press around the car that seemed positive. In my view, I think it is silly, because it's, like you said, it's not really related to the car at all.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's unfortunate people are conflating this as a Luce story.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  Oh, no, no, this is not a Luce story at all.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  And the gentleman who did it, I like to call him Herbie, we're tight.

• 4:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, sure. He does go by Herbie, he's there.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  He's actually like a really good guy, right? He's getting dragged because he spent $40 million on there, but like, he's like invented UV light cataracts, like surgery for eyes. He's done good for the world, and he's trying to give away his money. You know, it's just like, it's because it was this car that it's the problem.

• 5:16Speaker 05

  I agree that it's not really a Luce story, although you do have to wonder who was bidding $39 million and then stopped.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  I have a hunch. I think we all kind of know.

• 5:25Speaker 05

  Because he won that SP3 for notably less.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, and one SP3 sold this year for like 17 or 18 million. So like, in theory, like, he did pretty good on that investment, thought that he cares.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  The point, though, it is very much a Ferrari Foundation story, a Ferrari story, right? Because like, other people do charity auctions. We auction cars for charity all the time. They're not all, every Old Zumbel Aurora we sell for charity isn't going for $40 million, right?

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Hey, you tell Herbie here, he might make a change.

• 5:52Speaker 05

  My point is, on top of the car, which he may or may not care about, he has many other cars.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, including a Mercedes McLaren SLR.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 5:58Speaker 03

  Man of taste.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  It also is very much a, what gets me decent press, presumably? And also, what gets me an even deeper connection with Ferrari? If I care a lot about Ferrari, not necessarily for a resale perspective, I don't think he cares about the ability to sell cars, but he might care about the ability to get anything he wants tailor-made first, because he wants it first for himself. Donating $40 million to the foundation has some benefits.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  If you don't want, well, I was gonna say, if you don't want to own an undesirable Ferrari to get on the list, but he still has to own an undesirable Ferrari to be on the list, yeah, this is, it's like buying into the level.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  I don't even think, because that was the initial story, was, oh, you're buying allocations. He can already do anything he wants.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  Of course, but it still helps.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  So here's a couple more context. He donated $100 million this year to the Baptist Health Hospital System of South Florida. He's also donated $50 million to University of Florida, $50 million to UC Berkeley.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  I get your point. You're still making a choice, right? You're making a choice to support the Ferrari Foundation instead of your local hospital, which are the choices you've made.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Well, he's already done that. He's got four different hospitals on payroll now.

• 6:58Speaker 05

  He still wants something out of this $40 million.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 7:01Speaker 05

  The tax deductibility may be a piece of it, maybe just a philanthropic. But if you are that, have that much money, you can find ways to give it. There's a lot of other billionaires that have pledges to donate a lot of it. Choosing to do it in this way sends a signal, and it's for a reason, relative to starting your own foundation, to giving money to existing foundations, to whatever cost. You are still getting something out of this, and I think the relationship with Ferrari is a piece of it, even if he doesn't need more allocation.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  I disagree, but I will say the other, the reason the SP3 went relatively cheap compared to this is because there was people bidding against him this year. That, he would have kept going because money was literally like unlimited at that point, but there was, I think it was, what, Rick Hendrick was bidding against him up to $32 million? So like, and if you watch the bidding, he like big dogged him a couple times and like upped the bidding by like $5 million. Like, he was, RM was seeking like a million-dollar increment, and he just big dogged him and kept, like, it had not, like, the value of the car is nothing to do with it.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  Nothing to do with the value. The value is meaningless. It doesn't say anything about the Luce market at all.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  I agree. In my experience with people who operate at this level too, there are a lot of people who don't want that publicly known that they bought the car. Most people who don't want it publicly.

• 8:12Speaker 05

  I was surprised that he wanted it publicly.

• 8:13Speaker 04

  That's why they do it through proxies and things like that. So the fact that he chose to be so public, you know, and I think it's fine that like, again, like, if you want to draw attention to the cause, like, that he's donated for, I think it's totally fine. And it's his car, he can do whatever he wants with it. I do like that, I did read that the car had to go back to Ferrari for some, for 18 months.

• 8:30Speaker 05

  For things, there's a Wall Street Journal article today about him, where he's like, "I don't know why it's going back to Italy. I don't know what they're doing."

• 8:37Speaker 04

  So it's not finished and it's already broken.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  They're gonna redesign it.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  Well, no, he won't get that lucky.

• 8:42Speaker 05

  Regardless, it's cool, I'm glad that there's money for charity. He does seem like a very philanthropic, interesting person.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  I think if he wants to really make a statement, once he gets it back, donate it to Cody, aka Whistling Diesel. Let's see some durability testing of this.

• 8:56Speaker 05

  I'm not sure Whistling Diesel is interested in giving it to him.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  To me, my initial reaction was more similar to what Kenan described. Having watched the McLaren F1 GTR sell for...

• 9:04Speaker 04

  31.5.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  31.5, and you're just like, it made me sad that somehow this abomination was worth more. But once you realize like, okay, this is just a person doing charity donations, and the car was irrelevant.

• 9:16Speaker 05

  The value's meaningless. Like, fundamentally, whether it sells for 20, for 30, for 40, for 50.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  Takeaway of Car Week in general is money is like a arbitrary number.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  We'll circle back to that later.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  I've got lots of thoughts.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  Well, that's the $40 million Ferrari Luce. Let's move on to the next thing.

• 9:31Speaker 05

  Ooh, that's a car.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  The McLaren announced, not at the Quail, but of the same morning, that they are going to have a stick shift.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  So we are back in sticks for now. Ferrari shipped by wire. McLaren is, was careful to say, in a way that kind of threw shade at Ferrari but not directly, that this was an authentic stick shift, meaning it was not shipped by wire, but they refused to like take the bait that people were giving them to go fully anti-Ferrari, but they are making it clear that this is a quote-unquote authentic stick shift. Yes, a real manual.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  First one since F1.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  That's correct. First manual since F1.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  Did you guys see this in person?

• 10:09Speaker 03

  I did not. Okay. It looks amazing in pictures.

• 10:12Speaker 05

  It doesn't, in my head, because we talked about this a few weeks ago, there was a rumor. In my head, it was gonna look like every other McLaren, but have a manual. It is a totally different design direction.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Instead, it looks like a Noble.

• 10:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. Is this what we think, is this like supposed to be the halo?

• 10:27Speaker 03

  I like the styling a lot, actually, but I agree with you. It doesn't strike me as a McLaren at all. Actually, it strikes me closer to the Maserati MC20 in terms of like-

• 10:35Speaker 05

  There's a lot of pictures comparing the two.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Well, the roof is like 296.

• 10:39Speaker 05

  Is this a direction? Like, is this a start of that, or is this just like an offshoot? They, it doesn't actually speak to what the rest of the-

• 10:46Speaker 03

  The other interesting thing they said is this slots below the W1. They don't view this as their new halo car.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  It's not performance.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Even though, wouldn't everyone kind of rather have the stick?

• 10:54Speaker 05

  The W1 and the F80 game are a performance number game, and this can't be that.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  What is desirable versus what is the ultimate high performance are two very different things. But I don't know, maybe it is a new direction. I have a hunch this is a one-off thing. I do think they do need to change their direction in terms of design. But then again, I think the same thing about a lot of the Ferrari mid-engine cars look pretty similar since the 458. But I'm really-

• 11:19Speaker 03

  They looked better before they shifted away from looking similar to the 458, for being honest.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  That's also fair. But yeah, manual McLaren. I'm very excited they're doing this. It is a signal to all manufacturers that this is what they should be doing.

• 11:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  To, like, in this current age where we want these things. And again, the fact they haven't done this since the F1 is pretty remarkable.

• 11:37Speaker 05

  Is it a one-off? It's also called the MCL6GT.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Which is, to your styling point, it is based off of Bruce McLaren's personal M6GT. So when you look at that car, it does have, like, the headlights are very much an homage to that. You can see the retro influences.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  What's that? What is the MCL6GT?

• 11:55Speaker 04

  It was a car that Bruce McLaren built.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  It looks like a vintage version of this car we're looking at now. So that, that explains it a little bit, but it also, like your Ferrari comment, Kenan, that I stole from you on another pod. The fact that Ferrari is doing a manual means it'll probably make its way into other vehicles. And you have to wonder with McLaren, like, if this is successful, and I'm pretty sure it will be, what other McLarens might get this transmission now that they are manufacturing it and engineering it and have already built it.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  It would be interesting to see McLaren pivot from rich guy go fast to, like, dedicated manual enthusiast cars. Quite a pivot. But they could do it.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  This puts them, puts them on the map in a way. Like, Lamborghini's CEO went on the record saying, manuals aren't a priority for us. Not to say, he didn't explicitly say no, but they said, of our priorities, this isn't high on the list.

• 12:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  Yada, yada, yada. So if Ferrari's doing manuals and McLaren's doing manuals, to me, Lambo starts to feel a little like, like I'm less interested.

• 12:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. They did say that it's gonna be in production in 2028, which implies production. Okay, so that's the-

• 13:03Speaker 03

  I am pumped for McLaren. As a McLaren owner, I am pumped for this to come out.

• 13:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, as a McLaren owner.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I will say, one of the main reasons I'm considering getting rid of my McLaren is due to its lack of stick shift. So I think, I agree, rich guy go fast. I already would argue that that's maybe not an appropriate stigma for all McLaren models.

• 13:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, primarily yours, which isn't that fast, yeah.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  And, and it is, I'm here for it. I'm so excited to see the brand doing big things and doing the things that Ferrari and Lamborghini are afraid to do.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  Also, they need to for financial reasons, so I'm into it.

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• 15:29Speaker 05

  All right, let's keep moving forward.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Speaking of McLarens, the Gordon Murray, so we, this was, this was a great, yeah. So the Gordon Murray S1 was unveiled at Quail. Undoubtedly, this was the most important car that was there. Now, it is-

• 15:43Speaker 05

  I don't know, Ferrari was just sold for $40 million.

• 15:45Speaker 04

  That wasn't at Quail. That was, that was later than that.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Imagine if this was a charity auction.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, $100 million.

• 15:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Um, this car, so the S1, it's interesting. So Gordon Murray, when they came out with the T50, you know, it kind of looked like its own thing. The ethos was McLaren F1, but it looked like its own thing. Then they did the Niki Lauda edition, and then they've inched closer and closer and closer to the McLaren F1. And the S1, if you look at a picture of it, really looks like a McLaren F1. Like, they really, I think they're like pushing as close as they possibly can until they get sued by McLaren.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  Doesn't it seem like the vehicle they did, they'd have put out last year at Quail was like basically missing headlights? And I thought I had read a story that basically said, like, they ran out of time.

• 16:28Speaker 04

  They're gonna build five, right? That was the thing.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  And it feels like this year, the car is largely the same, except for now they got around to the headlights. Uh, which made them even more F1-looking. And then they announced a production run of 65, is it?

• 16:39Speaker 04

  64.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  64.

• 16:41Speaker 05

  How many T50s?

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Uh, I thought T50 was 100, I think, something like that. They're very low volume.

• 16:46Speaker 05

  But this is substantial in relative to their other models.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  Yes, but also, like, you know, production numbers are not that similar to McLaren F1 again. It is, it's a fascinating car. This is what the people want, though. 4.2-liter naturally aspirated, you know, Cosworth-developed V12, under 1,000 kilograms, which is just insane. And it is tiny. It is a really small little car.

• 17:05Speaker 05

  Isn't the T50 would look slightly different?

• 17:07Speaker 04

  The T, well, the T, the, my argument is, if there's a picture of the rear of this car, the difference between this and the T50 is this looks good, and the T50 has a fan on the back of it. I know Gordon Murray wants the whole fan thing. The F1 had the fan, but they were hidden. This kind of fixes all those problems. And, I mean, even the logo looks like the F1. I mean, it really is-

• 17:27Speaker 05

  Well, S1 is as close as you can get.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  I know, sounding-wise, yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  And I, even the, the way that they designed the S in that logo, kind of looks more like an F than an S to me. Or at the very least, like, a reasonable person might think that it, it looks F-like.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. Look, they know what they're doing.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, it is not subtle.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  If you bought a T50 because you wanted the last McLaren F1, well, I have bad news for you. The S1, this one, like, the last F1.

• 17:52Speaker 05

  Can I ask two real questions? Because obviously-

• 17:55Speaker 04

  I know, this is a bit, you're taking a nap for this whole thing. I understand.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  I'm participating. Um, fundamentally mechanically, is it any different than a T50?

• 18:03Speaker 04

  Um, it-

• 18:04Speaker 05

  I'm sure the suspension has been tweaked.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  And the aero because of the fan thing.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  But like, fundamentally, same engine broadly, same transmission.

• 18:11Speaker 04

  Transmission, yeah, still 6-speed manual.

• 18:13Speaker 05

  65 is a lot more than I would have expected for what is like a special edition version of the 100 is their regular production run.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  When I, I've been told they're all sold out.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I imagine.

• 18:23Speaker 04

  Which is not like a surprise. Um, but yeah, that's about right.

• 18:27Speaker 05

  It's what you're implying, though, that GMA-

• 18:30Speaker 04

  Gordon Murray Academy.

• 18:31Speaker 05

  Yep. It came out with the T50 and T33. Never hear about the T33. I've never heard that about, since it came out, but it exists. Uh, they were like, okay, are we gonna get sued by McLaren? And then they just keep pushing that envelope. And they're like, oh, we haven't been sued yet. Let's make it look more like the F1.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  I think that's the case. And I think McLaren actually would be probably relatively lenient, given that the F1 was designed so many years ago, and the guy who designed that is the guy designing this.

• 18:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Um, I think-

• 18:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they've looked back at that employment contract and seen what was proprietary.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Maybe. Obviously, conspiracy theory. I also think, though, if I were a McLaren, I'd say, the F1, reminding people of the F1 reminds people that that was a McLaren and helps elevate their brand and give McLaren more heritage and history, which is why Ferraris are so valuable, is the story behind it, the history of that. So it doesn't hurt that people are talking about F1s and saying, oh, now they're making a throwback to it, what have you.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:26Speaker 03

  I also think it reminds me a little bit of Stellantis's, like, oh, this is the final call, this is the last call, this is the special. Like, it's sort of like, okay, well, the demand is so heavy, how do we change it just a little bit and sell a couple more units? Because at 20 million plus per unit, like, it's, it's kind of hard not to.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  You also have to assume that Gordon Murray Academy won't be building any new clean sheet cars. Gordon Murray, relatively publicly, has not been doing great health-wise. I hope it's gotten a little better.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  I saw him, and he looked very thin, but I did talk to him, and I told him, well, hopefully-

• 20:00Speaker 05

  Which we absolutely are, but I could imagine that, like, it will be a little bit of revisions of a similar platform, which also makes sense. It's, it's a new platform. T50 came out very recently.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  Totally. Could imagine it being the end of the run for themselves.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  I can see that. My understanding, having watched him talk about GMA specifically, not just the cars, is that, like, they, they intend to build other stuff. I think that they, this, this is such a remarkably good way for them to get capital to do that, because so much of the development cost is already taken care of in terms of engine transmission. It is. It is, in essence. And so, like, if, and I, I have a hunch that, like, Gordon, maybe, I don't know if he was reluctant to do something so derivative of the former car. Um, but I do think that he wants as much money as possible to keep this thing going, and then to do work on other cool, interesting projects. So, we'll see. But you're right. We saw a lot of T50s this year, but immediately, T33 hadn't started production yet, so I would expect-

• 20:50Speaker 05

  Okay, great.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  I don't think that any have been delivered yet, um, but we will see those, like, suspected.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  I think the T50 is actually really cool in person, too.

• 20:57Speaker 05

  T50 is so cool.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  You gotta, you gotta experience it.

• 21:00Speaker 05

  At Velocity, we said there were five, Velocity Metational, there were five parked next to each other.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  We saw a lot. Yeah. We saw, we saw them street parked.

• 21:06Speaker 03

  There was probably 10 at Quail.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  That's gotta be all of them.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  And you see them driving, too. The, the type of people that are buying those are the type of people that actually drive them.

• 21:14Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  And I think with these cars, it maybe is a little bit more intimidating. Not that a T50 is replaceable, but it's less irreplaceable, maybe?

• 21:22Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Only by a couple units, though.

• 21:24Speaker 05

  Over 35.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  I, I heard, the conspiracy theory I heard was that the next Gordon Murray Academy vehicle is gonna be a four-door EV designed by Johnny Ive.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  They're gonna charge $40 million and it's gonna go to the Gordon Murray Foundation. Didn't the Ferrari Foundation, doesn't that sound totally, it's like the People's Fund from Seinfeld.

• 21:43Speaker 05

  And by the way.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Money for people.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  The Ferrari Foundation.

• 21:45Speaker 00

  Flowing ad budget on metrics that look great till the CFO sees them, that's bullspend. And marketers are calling it out in Dashboard Confessions.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, it'll be good for the brand when leads were slow. Yeah, it wasn't.

• 22:03Speaker 00

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• 22:17Speaker 05

  You have some questions. Yeah, like what. And honestly, reading up more about it doesn't answer that many. Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  I'm shocked at that.

• 22:24Speaker 05

  It's like employment program.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  I'm gonna develop, I'm gonna sell EVs and all the proceeds benefit the Nicky Lube Foundation. It don't, that's all you need to know.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Lube for people.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yes. All right, you got $5 billion lying around, let's talk. I got you a bespoke vehicle.

• 22:38Speaker 05

  Let's talk for no more than a minute about the Aston Martin Valiant. What you got to say about this?

• 22:41Speaker 03

  I got way more than a minute.

• 22:43Speaker 05

  Too bad.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Lot of really cool cars at the Quail. Some were utter BS, some were not.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  Where does this fall?

• 22:49Speaker 03

  This falls into the not.

• 22:50Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Aston, Aston Designs lately have been fire. We saw a lot of Valvrees and Valours. The Valen, certain angles look different than others. On the whole, though, I think this was, I mean, like in terms of, I don't think this looks Mustang at all, but from this particular angle, I see more V8 advantage.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Really? V8 advantage? What, the current one or the first one?

• 23:13Speaker 03

  The first one. I don't acknowledge the second one.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Are you blind?

• 23:16Speaker 05

  Think about the long hood.

• 23:17Speaker 04

  This is deep GT350.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  Tomato, tomato. I don't see any Mustang.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Look, there's a GT350 sitting right there.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I would not confuse the two. No offense to Nick Stafford. I think it was absolutely gorgeous. I wanted desperately. Throw a stick in it and sell it for a reasonable price.

• 23:35Speaker 05

  They obviously will not. I saw the AMG engine and that.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Well, Aston Martin could put a stick in it. Aston Martin, new purchase prices are never reasonable. It's the secondary market that.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  My boys at DC Motorworks can put a manual in it since it's an AMG motor.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Shout out to Cameron and Andy.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  What other, what cars does Aston make? So we know about the Vantage, the DB12, the Vanquish. Vanquish exists.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  Valhalla.

• 23:56Speaker 05

  That's what I'm wondering about. So there's the Valhalla, there's the Valkyrie and the Valour, which somehow, one of them looks like this.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Google words that start with, nouns that start with V and you got, you got their whole lineup.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  The Valhalla is like the.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  That's the mid-engine supercar.

• 24:09Speaker 05

  The Valkyrie, Doug did a review of.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  We'll talk more about that.

• 24:12Speaker 05

  The Valiant, Valiant, Valiant, looks somewhat like this, right?

• 24:15Speaker 04

  The Valiant, Robin. Yeah, it looked, yeah, it looks something like this.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  We, we sent a picture in our group thread to, to the group and Doug goes, what on earth is that? And you pointed out, it says Valen across the back in all caps.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Didn't help him, which I don't blame him for. That's a car.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  I honestly think all of the Astons driving around were beautiful. To me, also, my other takeaway was the V8 Vantage Gen 1 is the cheapest way to fit in a Car Week. I can't, those cars are just criminally undervalued.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  I highly disagree with you. I think that like, you could do it with an AZ1, you could do a lot less, you could do it with like, you could do it with a lot of cars to fit in.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  AZ1 is a meme car to me. There was someone that I am Instagram friends with that had a green on green V8 Vantage stick. And I'm like, that is the coolest way to spend 40 grand or whatever they cost.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  Almost or other than E395, which I'm told fits in.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Oh, well, let's table the whole Car Week card.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  Sean in his little Alpha Romeo.

• 25:11Speaker 05

  That's more valuable than a Vantage.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  No.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  Depends on the Vantage. All right, let's move on to actual important news.

• 25:17Speaker 04

  Oh, yes. Well, this is a Porsche podcast, so we have to talk about Porsche. So for you, Felipe.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  We're not a Porsche podcast. Remember, remind the people, we're not a Porsche podcast.

• 25:24Speaker 04

  Right. What car did you drive here today?

• 25:26Speaker 05

  I have Porsche, but I don't have that many cars.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  Right, you just, okay, anyway. Porsche 911. So the big news is that Porsche announced for the Carrera S variant, they're going to offer an MT package, which stands for manual transmission. They're giving us a six-speed manual in that car. Because before, if you want, in the current range, if you wanted a manual, you had either get a Carrera T.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  Which is great, but not that powerful.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  Or GT3.

• 25:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's a.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a pretty big chasm, both in performance and price between those two cars. So they felt that filling the need with the Carrera S.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Made a lot of sense. Now, of course, it's not going to exactly be inexpensive. The base price for the coupe is $169,000.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  But keep in mind, okay, so the manual, which comes in like a package that adds some other.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Which I'll get into in a sec.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  It's 10 grand-ish. So the MSRP of any Carrera S is in the 150, 160 range.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  It's not, it's not that bad.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  On top of that, less than 10% extra to have a six-speed manual instead of the PDK is a trade I'd make.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Plus, you gotta imagine value retention is gonna be excellent.

• 26:23Speaker 05

  US only.

• 26:24Speaker 04

  Because it is funny that America has become the basher of manual transmission. Isn't that crazy? We wanted automatics forever.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  There was news recently from the UK, which historically you think of as European, even though they're not really, and liking manuals. 70% of cars sold last year were automatics in the UK even.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Things have changed.

• 26:40Speaker 05

  Things have changed. In the US, with the E65, was the place where the manuals, the F105?

• 26:46Speaker 04

  F105.

• 26:47Speaker 05

  Was the place where the manuals lived, and that remains true with this.

• 26:51Speaker 04

  Which I'm very happy about. But you wanna know what else you get with that package?

• 26:53Speaker 05

  I really would prefer not to know.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  I'm gonna tell you.

• 26:55Speaker 05

  Cause it's gonna change my perception of it.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  So you get Sport Chrono, which makes sense.

• 26:59Speaker 05

  Great.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  You get center lock wheels for weight savings, allegedly. Which you have to imagine is just to look cool.

• 27:05Speaker 05

  It does.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  And it does. But here, my favorite, you'll like this, Nick. One of the signature effects that you get, you get a red S badge on the rear.

• 27:14Speaker 05

  That's how you know. It's notable.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  Yep. And, but my favorite thing, the puddle lights show a shift pattern when you open the door.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  You told me that and I just, I just, it's almost as upsetting as a $40 million Luce in terms of just total BS.

• 27:31Speaker 05

  Surely you can sonder whooshing that out.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, or just give me, give Nick a pry to him and a Celsius and he'll do it.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  Alibaba, you get a couple LEDs and swap them out. I mean, most people do the opposite. They go on Amazon or Alibaba and add those puddle lights, but.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  You could probably sell them on eBay for, you know.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  20, 30 bucks.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  The center locks are the only thing to me that's striking is they're largely incredibly inconvenient. If you're not tracking where like pit stop times are important, like I would not want this. Like I would prefer, other than it's like a cool flex to your Porsche buddies, which you guys might care more about.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  Don't care at all.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  To me.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  You own a Porsche. I don't have a Porsche. You and Felipe both.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  I'm sorry for you that you've been missing out for so long. I don't care about that either. I do think that it's cool that they're putting the manual in this. That makes.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  That's worth 10 grand alone.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  It makes a 992 a little bit more of an actual enthusiast car in a place where it's gotten so expensive and kinda large.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  And big and heavy.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  And big and, it's not actually that heavy, but big.

• 28:25Speaker 04

  It's big.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Keep in mind, the 991 is lighter than a 997. 992 is heavier than that.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Our last three stories have been on sticks.

• 28:31Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  The Maserati, or not Maserati, oh my god, McLaren.

• 28:34Speaker 05

  Cars here, including the Aston we talked about, but stick coming to 911.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  Very excited about that.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Apparently people want sticks.

• 28:40Speaker 05

  Tell me about the Revuelto SV.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  The Revuelto SV was also revealed at the Quail.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  A motor source gather.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  It has over 1,000 horsepower. It has revised aero, a bigger wing. The SV graphics, you can actually choose, much like the Mercy, if it's bigger or smaller and on the door, on the back.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  You can't get the, the door would be cool. To do the Diablo thing.

• 29:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  A lot of, the sentiment was like it's iterative, it's a little underwhelming, even though it's 1,000 horsepower.

• 29:10Speaker 05

  What doesn't have a 1,000 horsepower now?

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:12Speaker 05

  You can get a Rivian with a 1,000 horsepower.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Porsches, yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  It is not a manual, unlike the other cars that we've been talking about. It does look very nice in person. You almost got a little bit of a modded Revuelto vibe.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  You get Strong Stradman, will do this to his regular Revuelto.

• 29:26Speaker 03

  I think he already did. It's already got a body kit on it and he did a contrast hood.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Shout out to Strad, who we love.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw him out there vlogging, which was kinda fun. But it, it, it gives a little bit of those vibes. I think it's very cool. I'm sure it will sell well. And I don't think the SVs historically have been that crazy. Like the SVJ, which maybe they're leaving room for a crazier version on the Aventador was pretty wild, but like the Mercy SV, like it's got some revised bodywork, but it's nothing extreme.

• 29:55Speaker 05

  That sounds right.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  It's not like an entirely different vehicle. It's not like a Reventon where it was like, okay, this is a totally crazy, unique vehicle. It was like, okay, we, we dialed up the knob by 10% or 20% in terms of the crazy factor.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  I guess so. I mean, the Reventon clearly was just bodywork to develop.

• 30:10Speaker 03

  Or Scion, which we saw that. I mean, like, it's never, the SV is never their most extreme variant.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  I know what Nick meant.

• 30:17Speaker 05

  I'm not, I'm not surprised that 1,000 horsepower at this point, when a normal one's what, 800 something? Like, power, you can't get faster.

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• 31:18Speaker 05

  All right, let's keep moving. GR GT allocations for the US ministry are sold out. They're making a very, very limited number, which is why they're sold out. They're very deliberate for this production run. They've implied that there will be more allocations later. But they have sold out. You guys saw this? Was that the Quail?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  I saw it. It looked like.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  I saw it briefly, but it was.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  That's what I wanna know. How does it look like in person? Cause it's not pretty.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  Heinous.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  I'm shocked that there's interest in this.

• 31:46Speaker 05

  It's cool. It's a V8.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  It looks as awkward in real life as it does in this photo, which is like, the proportions and how stretched it is, it's not my cup of tea.

• 31:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. I do love it, cause it is fundamentally Toyota, the CEO of Toyota was like, I'm a racing driver. I wanna have a car in my brand that is a true sports car. So there's this, there's a GT3 version, there's the LFA. It's cool that they built this when they absolutely did not need to. It doesn't help their overall brand in the least. GR as a sub-brand is confusing as all get out. They didn't need to do this, but they did, and that's great.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  I love the idea of it, but to me, it looks like a Veilside RX7. And then someone like, when they copied and pasted it, forgot to like hold the aspect ratio and it got stretched. So it's like a really long, kind of ugly tuner car. That, the top reminds me of an S2000 hardtop. But the rest of it, I can't, I can't say anything.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  I know what he's saying. Yeah, Nick is on one today. He had way too much Celsius.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Only one.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  That's all it takes.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  It's Fahrenheit.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Felipe with a temperature.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Oh my god. This podcast is off the rails.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  I mean, it's fine. To me, if you think of like the LFA or other like iconic JDM, supercars, hypercars.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  They didn't look great either.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  The styling, yeah, this, the styling though really doesn't do anything.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  But the LFA looked like.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  I like the LFA a lot.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  It looked futuristic and kinda cool and kinda push design. I don't feel that this does. But I'm, I'm happy it exists. I'm happy the engineers were allowed to go do something fun. It was basically what this is.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  No, this, this is like true passion at a car company the size of Toyota is rare.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  And surprising that they greenlit this and that's cool.

• 33:28Speaker 04

  And so I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna just like rain on their parade, but I do have to admit it's not, it's not the prettiest thing I've ever seen.

• 33:34Speaker 05

  The fact that it was there and you didn't notice says something.

• 33:36Speaker 04

  There were a lot of cars. I was looking at the F4s.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  There, there were so many and a lot of them were like these one-off cars you'll never see again. And like this certainly falls in. Like maybe we'll see a couple, but.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  We'll circle back to that again.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  Yeah. All right. Let's keep going. Okay. Tires.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Tires.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Tires. They exist.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  I want to correct some misunderstandings here.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 33:54Speaker 05

  The state of California has their tire commission or their environmental commission has passed a new rule that goes into effect between now and 2035 and like stages. That basically means that new tires sold to consumers, so when you get replacement tires for your car, need to be as energy efficient and low rolling resistance as tires that are put on the car by the manufacturer. Right now, for most people, you buy a new car, like your Sorento, a couple of years from now, four years from now, whatever.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  I can't put drag flex on it.

• 34:22Speaker 05

  You'll be new tires. The tires that you buy likely currently would be less, notably less efficient than the tires that are made for the manufacturer. Manufacturers come up with agreements. The tire companies, they make custom things to improve their fuel economy. The, the state was asked in a 2005 law, so it's taken them 20 years to get here, to come up with some rules around this to, to make fuel economy better, like help people maintain that. And so there will be new rules that limit the tires that can be sold in the state of California. Something like 70% of tires that are currently sold will not be eligible based on these rules.

• 34:55Speaker 04

  Wow, okay.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  So tire manufacturers are kinda complaining. The goal of the state is to improve efficiency and save people money at the gas pump, even though there's some recognition that'll cost a little more on tires. The thing that people are getting kinda wrong here is that there's a ton of exceptions. So any kind of like racing tire, fully exempted. If you're going to the track, those tires are exempted. Tires about 37 inches, it's like off-road tires exempted. There's a bunch of other.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  37s are pretty big.

• 35:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's what you have on like a Bronco Sasquatch.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like I put 33s on my P38 and that was like as big as you could fit. Like for a new car, sure, but like for most cars. 37s, like that used to be huge.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  I hate to tell you, state California is not focused on P38 fitment. They're focused on cars now.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Dude, they made me smog the heck out of my car.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  There are a lot of exceptions that make it a little less concerning and I think there'll be a lot of implementation rules that change. Is it the state overreaching? Maybe.

• 35:49Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  Is it also, I understand the impetus, which is most consumers are not realizing that. And it's costing them what the state estimates as a couple hundred dollars a year in fuel economy, because the fuel economy will decrease because the tires aren't equivalent to what you get on a new car.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  Certainly.

• 36:04Speaker 05

  Think what you will about that, but I do want to clarify that it's not actually quite as like, it, it, it is not going to mean that you can't get your tires for your performance car. Also limited production, which I think is 1500 tire runs aren't included. There's a bunch of exceptions that mean that you can still get your.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  My PS4S is.

• 36:21Speaker 05

  Okay, excellent. With maybe some redevelopment. There might be some changes.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  So I'm gonna have to go to, go to Arizona to buy tires.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Right, or Mexico.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  This is the problem with, yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Great, great, great job at moving money out of the state, losing out on sales tax and making the state even more bureaucratic and embarrassing.

• 36:36Speaker 05

  The, the, the counter argument to that, that the state would make is first of all, we were told to do this by lawmakers. There's not like a just government state, like we were told to do this. The other argument they would make is for the vast majority of consumers, because of this difference between what OEMs are putting on their car and what you are able to replace it with, you don't have, like, you don't know that there's a difference, but there is, and that is actually costing you notably something like 2%. It does like a 2% overall decline in consumer car CO2 emissions, for example, from this rule. That's not zero from one rule, like that's rules that this stack are hard to have a real impact.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  Sure. I don't feel that. It sounds like the, the plastic straw is to save the environment. Like it's thoughts and prayers.

• 37:16Speaker 05

  Notable than that, which is why it's, it's worth mentioning.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  2%, I can find a lot better CO2 savings.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  Not really. Across an entire thing.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Stop looking at the automotive industry. Like it's, it's the wrong place.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  I mean, of the automotive emissions.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, but why, why optimize for like.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  I don't disagree with you.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  A small percentage of CO2.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  The news and.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  He's killing the messenger.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  And, and adding caveats where people are really getting it wrong, which is there is a lot of miscommunication around it, around it really meaning that you can't have.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Fair, but I, I think everyone's rightfully riled up. This is a terrible law that absolutely should not pass. And like is at the detriment of every enthusiast. Like why would we want more red tape? Have you ever gone to discount tire and even tried to change your, your tire size by a tiny bit? Like maybe you want more.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  Tire decision.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, but I mean, that already makes it a huge pain in the butt. If now the lawmakers, Johnny Law is saying, oh, you can't put a 200 treadwear tire on your car.

• 38:08Speaker 05

  Counterpoint, right? Like your, who's, your wife goes to get new tires. She's not into cars, right? She just wants tires that are about equivalent to what she currently has. The tires that you buy, even if you think you're getting the same brand and thing, you might lose 10% of your fuel economy, of your fuel efficiency. You would probably rather get a tire that matches up with what you have. And so I understand some of that.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  The consumer should be allowed to make that decision and not the lawmakers. My wife can choose the right trade-off between miles per gallon and performance and grip.

• 38:36Speaker 05

  Not offered. And so the, the state's basically saying, hey, actually you have to meet basically what you're putting on the cars when they're new.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Well, uh, maybe this is a political debate here on how much government overreach is allowable.

• 38:46Speaker 05

  Really clear.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 05

  I'm not a huge fan of this, but I do think it's been a little bit sensationalized in the three days since.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be buying some R88s after this call hangs up.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  Our triple, hell yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 05

  After this call hangs up.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 05

  For our Sorento. In better news for you, Leno's law has come out of committee and it's likely to actually pass.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  It's the furthest it's ever been, which is, it's also a lot of loopholes and exceptions.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  Once things come out of committee, they actually have a decent chance of passing.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  So.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  They don't come out if the people don't think that the.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  What you rule it changes, it's not rolling, but it'll be.

• 39:16Speaker 05

  35 years.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  A 35. Will be 35 rolling or is it? That's the dream.

• 39:20Speaker 05

  But it starts not, it's your side. Yeah. It actually is, is a pretty good law, but.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  My M5 is 25, will turn 25 in October. And so we're getting closer to that.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  We will, as it gets further in and passes, uh, the, the, the House and the state senate, we'll, we'll get more.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  All right. There's some, there's more new stories. Can I summarize this really quickly?

• 39:41Speaker 03

  Please.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Jaguar Land Rover, famed reliability brand, has decided to, uh, to, in order to avoid some tariffs, uh, move the Fender production to the US and they will be sharing factories with Stellantis, which is another brand known for their excellent build quality and construction.

• 39:58Speaker 05

  I think that's all that needs to be said about that.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  The joke writes itself.

• 40:00Speaker 05

  I mean, there's so many opportunities. I figured we should leave it to the.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  Too low hanging fruit.

• 40:04Speaker 05

  Like, like a school textbook. We'll leave the exercise to the.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  Student.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Fair enough. Wow. That is a tough decision.

• 40:10Speaker 05

  I get it. They need to move it. They can't make pricing competitive. They're, they're paying a ton in tariffs. Uh, Stellantis surely has some excess capacity. Clearly, this is what you would want, right? Like your tariffs are actually creating more jobs in the US. Cause production's moving here. There's just a lot of concerns that I would have if I'm Jaguar Land Rover and I already have a tough.

• 40:30Speaker 04

  This is gonna be the thing where you know the year of when you, when you don't buy one made after this point.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  This is a non-binding memorandum to do this. It's not actually moving yet.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  The, the, the counterpoint would just be if you're buying a Land Rover, you already know that reliability is a problem. And so, and you've accepted that and built that into your decision. So what's the difference?

• 40:50Speaker 05

  Also, if you know these cars well, there are exposed like hex screws for style. A lot of other Stellantis products, the Caliber, the Nitro have had the same by accident.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  And so you're used to it.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  By accident.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  You're used to it. This works out.

• 41:02Speaker 04

  All right.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  All right. There's so much news there. Smith Performance, famed maker of pickup truck conversions for Jettas and A4s. And other cars. Is closing, uh, they're transitioning to building drones for the US government. That is not a joke.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  What?

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Uh, they're, they're taking orders through 2027. So if you want a kit to turn your Jetta into a Jetta pickup truck, go now.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Or forever be struck down by a drone. That's so weird. What a bizarre pivot.

• 41:32Speaker 05

  Maybe not drones, but drones.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  Right, okay. Weird.

• 41:35Speaker 05

  They, they said in an email, it's all to all their prior customers and it's on their website. But the death of a very niche but very cool industry.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  I'm sure another one will pop up with 3D printing and all that.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  You should do this with a B8 S4. That feels like something you need.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Not sure that's a high priority. It's, it's like Lamborghini with manuals. Like it's interesting, but maybe not the top of my.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  If I just say this for a couple, I'll stop saying it in six months, you'll, I have a great idea. I should get a.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  That's what will happen. I know you.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  If I could find a way to put three seats across, like sort of the, the Defender style seats, like army style. And I could make the seat like nine people, then, then I might be interested.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  By the way, I should have said they're making 25 more kits.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  25?

• 42:15Speaker 05

  Law one now. Go now. Go today.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  That's probably years worth of demand.

• 42:19Speaker 05

  Incredibly, I was close. They're building drone boats for the US military.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Okay, all right.

• 42:24Speaker 05

  Some, you know, engineering is engineering.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Right. It's all bolts. Uh, what's.

• 42:29Speaker 05

  You as a viewer can decide whether you'd prefer that he spend his time building kits for A4s. All right. Soon, you guys on your drive to and from Monterey presumably saw a lot of police officers.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  I did not.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  He left early. I saw someone pulled over every 20 minutes.

• 42:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  Including one in a Camaro.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Police car, like a bunch of cool police cars, but this is quite the interesting cop car.

• 42:53Speaker 05

  Dodge, which law, which came out of the police car game when they stopped building the Charger, is going to get back into it with the new Charger four door. It's only going to be the Hurricane six cylinder. And they're all going to have all wheel drive, but soon you'll have new distinctive headlights and taillights to look out for.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. I think this looks so cool, to be honest with you.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  It does. It does.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Why, why? Dodge law, which is a real division of Dodge. Of course it looks cool.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  It looks awesome. Yeah, I do. You, I have, you know, you've gotten used to what to look for for police now. Like I've gotten really good at it. But yeah, to have to learn a whole new thing. But I would imagine the lighting treatment on this is pretty distinctive. So it would be pretty easy.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  It's not like they've sold many, so you can kind of assume.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 05

  The same way you saw four Taurus after a certain point, like, oh, that's a police car.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  Or like a Chevy Caprice. Those are only police cars.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:40Speaker 05

  You know.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Basically, whenever I see a Dodge Charger and Explorer, I slow down. I know that there are tells like the roof rails and all that.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  But Durangos.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  If, if you buy.

• 43:48Speaker 05

  Durangos, which CHP uses, do not have roof rails on their consumer versions.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Really, really annoying because that's the easiest tell.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  But it's, yeah, it's contact. Why don't you have radar?

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Well, I do in some of your cars.

• 44:01Speaker 04

  Alibaba one that doesn't work. It goes off all the time.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  I got a nice one on the SLR. The rest I just, you know.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  My V1 worked great. Oh, I'm just saying. Something to consider. But exciting, I guess.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  New police cars.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  New police cars.

• 44:15Speaker 05

  Uh, V6, oh, excuse me, uh, in line, it's Hurricane's inline.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:18Speaker 05

  So six cylinder and all wheel drive only.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  Exciting. Okay.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  Uh, all right. We're thankfully, thankfully.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  And that is with us cutting multiple stories.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  All of the consumer cars. There's a new Tucson. Go look it up. Uh, Ford is bringing, is building a Bronco based pickup. We don't have any pictures. Uh, Tesla maybe have a Minivan in the works. There's a lot of other stories. We'll get to them eventually. The dark horse I see convertible.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  But instead, we're going to talk about Car Week.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  Yes. So Nick and unfortunately Filippo did not attend Car Week this year. I was asked many times.

• 44:48Speaker 05

  Couldn't make it and decided very actively that I was okay missing it.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, uh, so it was Nick and I went with some of our friends and producer Sean, uh, went to Car Week this year. And, uh, I have to be honest, like, a lot of people have talked about how it's become like too much. And it's like, I agree.

• 45:06Speaker 05

  What does too much mean?

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Well, for instance, in Carmel, like this particular time, so they, for whatever reason, they decided to close 17 miles that you couldn't like to non-residents.

• 45:17Speaker 05

  Which was true on the weekend beforehand, like historically has been true.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  But the, yes, but no, like it was, we had passes because we were lucky. We know someone who lives there who was very kind. Shout out to Eric. But we, it, there was like, we went and sat on 17 mile and saw nothing. I mean, nothing. For like 40 minutes, we sat there like, all right, eventually.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  I think I saw a nicely modded M4.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  C8 went by, I think.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, a base C8.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Oh God, the M4. Don't get me started. Um, but yeah, it was, but Carmel was rowdy. I have not seen that many people in Carmel in a long time. We've been in Car Week several years and I don't know.

• 45:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. I thought the rowdiness was contained to Monterey, the town of Monterey.

• 45:56Speaker 04

  Not this time.

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Like that's, that's like a implicit agreement that you.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I thought so too.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  You're, you're Hurricane, you do so in seaside.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  It was, what, what, what prompted me to say this is I went back and watched some videos from 2010, 2012, what it was like in Carmel. And of course those are the cars like that we're most interested in. But like, it just felt like everything just, it was just like so many supercars this year. And it's just like overwhelming to the point like, I, I, I just became apathetic to it after a time. Uh, and it just felt like everything is so financially out of reach. It's just like not relatable. That said, like, I showed up in my M5, had a wonderful time, but the best part was hanging out with my friends. Like that's, and like seeing people I only see a couple of times a year because of the auctions that we all go to. That was my like favorite part. And the drive up there was, I had so much fun. And the drive back, like using my M5 as intended was really great.

• 46:46Speaker 04

  And I really like, I really enjoyed that. Uh, and riding around in your car, like, which was a great Car Week car. A lot of people saw it with all the cars and bids.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  Horrible graphics on it.

• 46:55Speaker 05

  An L405 Cabriolet.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  It, it got a lot of attention.

• 46:58Speaker 04

  It got a lot of attention.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  I think apathetic is a good word for it. I wrote down disillusioned.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  But like, there's just something where, like, on one hand, it's really special to see like F40s, like we saw so many driving. We got some cool photos of that. So a lot of special Aston's. You see a lot of cars moving, which was really exciting.

• 47:16Speaker 05

  It is. You see everything that you've never seen before.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  Every bit of that, it was just like the, the level of wealth and flashiness and just like, even the $40 million Luchette, like all of it just felt like, like it's this alternate universe and it just, it's too much. I, I almost, it reminds me of like college. When you have too much tequila and then you wake up the next day and you're like, I'm never drinking tequila again. Like I know I will drink tequila again one day. But like, I'm good on tequila for a while.

• 47:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I get it.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  That is how I feel right now. Like I'm, I'm good. I don't want anymore. I don't want mezcal. I don't want tequila. I don't want anything that looks or smells like it for a while. Like I'm, I'm going to drive my Kia Sorento and just like, sort of recover from.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  I just, yeah, I don't want to even think about car. It's like, but it was interesting. I, I, so I came back from this and the crazy thing was I was in downtown San Diego and an STO went by and I've lost my mind. I was like, you've never seen an STO drive in there. But when I met Car Week, I expect to see be passed by a Verons. I expect to see a GT1 on the road. I expect to see all that. And that's a weird men, that's a weird headspace to be in, to be on. It's not normal.

• 48:18Speaker 05

  You get disappointed when a rental car goes by you in Carmel. It's like, oh, why are you wasting space? That could be at Aventador or it could be at Veron.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Traffic parked in like Carmel. I can't, I have to drive around for an hour to find a parking spot.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  I think it was also some of the debuts of cars were, were a little cynical. So without naming names, the Louis Vuitton Edition Singer.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  Yikes.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  Like, they know their audience and like, it's, it's almost like the quiet part aloud where it's like, okay, you know that a lot of your buyers have no taste. But to admit it that publicly and like flaunt it of like, hey, I want the trashiest new money people ever to buy this car. The, the, the Bugatti that, that was revealed was actually really beautiful.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  The Destre.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  But like all of these cars, it just like, it's, it's not for car enthusiasts anymore. It is for rich guys.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  I, I made a list of cars that were revealed during this.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  Please.

• 49:08Speaker 05

  There's a Flockbow RS one off Porsche thing.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  We saw.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Kind of cool. I, I, on a scale of one to 10, I'd give that like a seven.

• 49:14Speaker 05

  All right. There was a Cadillac car that was maybe is originally going to be a production car, but now just a race car.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  I'd give that like a nine. That's actually really cool.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  Uh, despite, we talked about the rest of it. There was this new, new Spiker.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  I'm so mixed on that one.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  The C8, something, something, something.

• 49:26Speaker 03

  I love Spiker and I feel like they, they chose green with rose gold in a way that was so ostentatious and so hard to look at frankly, that I think had I seen it in another color, I would have been like, okay, like this is a nice, cool, modern iteration of it.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  But this spec alone, just, you know, it made me think like, okay, I need to, my other car is a six by six and I made all my money.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  Wrapped in gold already.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  It's rose gold at that. It wasn't, it was just like, it was a lot.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  My, my, my hero is Andrew Tate. Like it just, it's so hard.

• 50:00Speaker 05

  That is, it, it does have a manual.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, it, it.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  It's a cool car.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  I love the car. The spec makes me a little sick to my stomach.

• 50:09Speaker 05

  Uh, the Ferrari CZ26.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Cool. It's seven.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Uh, these are all real cars though.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was a Koenigsegg CCX GT, which is somehow different than the other Koenigsegg's. Don't ask me how.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  There was the Brab, Brabus Bodo convertible. Actually pretty cool.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  That I have a picture, I have a picture taken in Carmel of a bunch of car spotters walking in front of it down the street with the CEO Brabus driving it, which I'm sure he felt very happy about.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Screaming, it's the Brabus CEO.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was like, it was a wild situation.

• 50:42Speaker 05

  Uh, there was a Singer Spider.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  It was a Singer Spider. The Nuvalaria I liked a lot.

• 50:46Speaker 05

  Audi Nuvalaria.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Personally, I thought that was so cool. Like the details on that car were amazing. I got to talk to the, the head designer of that thing.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  And it was so cool. Like even like, it's a very Kenan thing admittedly, but like the rear of it, like there's an Audi logo that's made out of a single piece of like, of a billet that's brushed and then it's inlaid into the carbon fiber. Which I'm sure that, which the, the designer told me is like, the engineers gave so much pushback on that. They didn't want to have to, how are we going to do this? This doesn't add anything to the car. But it was so understated and cool to me and like, I.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  I would take this over to Mario any day of the week and it, in person.

• 51:24Speaker 05

  Is that what it is?

• 51:25Speaker 03

  It's a Tomarario.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  It's different though. Somehow it's lighter and has more power. Yeah. Because it's carbon body.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  And more limited, more expensive, but like, to me, it's like the RSQ8 versus the Urus. Like this is a car.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  But this is more expensive instead of RSQ8, which is a cheap one.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  But other, it's like a little bit more tasteful, a little more subtle, like a little bit.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  You know what they told me? I thought this was interesting. It was like, he told me, he said, you know, back in the day, we gave Lamborghini the, the R8, we gave them the platform. Now it is our turn to have the special car. This is exactly what he said, which I appreciate so much. But it was, they also, they're going to offer it in colors. It's not all just going to be this.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  I'm okay if it is.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  I would prefer it just be this, I think personally. But I thought that was like, all like the, because it's like understated. Everything is so over the top. Um, but I thought that like, yeah, like the spike.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Uh, but I think that that car just to me wasn't, and it's like, I don't know. I just, that was of like, it was like being handed like a mint. It was like just refreshing the palate. It was nice. But my, my point with all this is it's like, it's just so hard to keep up with and there's so much to see and like, we still, I didn't get to go to the track for Historics. I didn't get to go to Legends of the Autobahn. Like we just, there was so, our days were packed of just do, trying to do as much as we could.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  We, we could have probably prioritized less exotic and hypercar events and gone more to the legends and sort of the like.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  I would rather have done that.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Obtainable special cars versus like the truly exotic.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  That's not who you guys are though.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  No, but I think also that when.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Who you are a little bit.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  I like encountering stuff accidentally. Like I got passed by an Enzo. That was really cool. Or when I ran to the DK Engineering squad when we were coming back up the, up Highway one, that was incredible. But, you know, I don't know. It just, at this point, it doesn't feel like you're seeing the animals in the wild. You're just kind of going to the zoo, basically is what it feels like for the cars. Like that's like, it's like, they're just so, I don't know. It just felt like kind of synthetic and just like, made me feel very poor.

• 53:20Speaker 05

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• 53:51Speaker 05

  All pretty conspicuous consumption at that point too. Like people who are rich. Cause I feel like in the last couple of years. I've seen like on social media and the car world. Everybody knows that it's such a cool event and like so many cool things that if you're rich, you in the past, maybe you wouldn't have gone, but like now you're like, oh, I gotta go because everybody else

• 54:09Speaker 04

  I gotta show off.

• 54:10Speaker 05

  My group is there and I gotta show off and then it becomes like not.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's I I just came away from it feeling like drained and like I didn't, I don't feel the need to go.

• 54:20Speaker 05

  You don't feel the every year in the past, you've come home and been like, I'm so excited for car week next year.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, this year, not so much like hon- honestly.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  It's feeling like I felt last year, I think.

• 54:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like I will go because I work in the industry, of course, but like it feels more like honestly, I was thinking leaving Saturday afternoon, be like, I could be home.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  I thought about that.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  And Sam did too. So we all were in Edison. I think all of us were like, all right, I think I'm like, kind of done.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  And you left before the in theory, like premiere event, which is the Pebble Beach Concorde.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  Yes. Oh, none of us went to that. We were all we were all home by two in the afternoon.

• 54:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Like genuinely, I would like except for Sean, who's like, who's looking smug over there with his little outfit. But it was gonna take him three days to get back anyway.

• 55:02Speaker 05

  By the way, we've we've even skipped cars that came out. I accurate had their concept.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  He really wants to sneak all this stuff.

• 55:07Speaker 05

  There was like my point is we've talked about 30 trillion incredibly impressive releases.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  But there's more.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  No, I believe that is the the only counterpoint because I agree. I I just like became numb to it and like kind of over it and a little turned off by it all, especially the

• 55:23Speaker 04

  Well, I

• 55:23Speaker 03

  like the Mansari cars were all at like it just it's going to a different audience that is not my crowd. However, the access to the manufacturers, I also at the quail talked to the guy behind the Jaguar. Uh, new design language.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  I saw it. Did you tell?

• 55:38Speaker 03

  I I think he had a vague idea of who I was and maybe that I hadn't said the nicest things.

• 55:43Speaker 04

  Nobody has.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  The the Audi president was hinting at wagons and Avance like in a way that like I was like, are you trying to tell me something without telling me something? So there there like those kinds of things are really cool. Seeing vehicle debuts is really cool. Seeing Gordon Murray in the flesh.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  People came up from Hennessy like that, like, and they were so nice, like

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Seeing Stradman live vlog in front of like 800 people, kind of cool. So there there were there were definitely some highlights, but uh, I think on the whole, it's just like it's it's too much.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  It it was a lot, but I also want to make a point. I don't think that I don't want to gatekeep car week at all. Like, I think if you've never been, you absolutely should go at some point to see it.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  Uh, it is just such a spectacle, but just be prepared for it to be very overwhelming and like inexpensive and like it's very expensive.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Even us trying to spend as little money as we could.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  It was still.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  It was an expensive weekend.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was.

• 56:32Speaker 05

  I do wonder if you are, if you go and you're you're not going to the quail. You won't see a lot of these cars in person, but some of them drive around and like you don't go to the quail, you don't go to some other events. Would you have a better experience at this point, just driving around? Carmel, maybe driving down down, um, uh, PCH.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  We did a lot of that.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:50Speaker 05

  Was that the fun part or was were the events important?

• 56:54Speaker 04

  Honestly, the most fun part was just running into people and spending time with my friends. That was the best part. And that is, and we do that here every Saturday morning. We go to Cars and Coffee. It's like, it's not, it wasn't that then we just did it. It's a different place. But I will say this also, the last point I'll make on this, because I have everybody's sick of the other thing is people get sick about talking about car, especially if you weren't there and I understand. But the last point I want to make is everybody who came up to Nick and I, like, it was so touching and nice. People love the podcast and I feel so grateful. I think it was only one person. I was a little, I I think I disappointed him a little because he told me he had a 300,000 mile M5. And he's like, he was showing me like damage. I was like, ah, but who cares? A 300,000 mile car. I'm like, you're talking to the wrong guy like.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  Also, he can't one up you like that.

• 57:34Speaker 04

  Well, I told him.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  You'll have 250.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  260. I crossed 260 on the way there. 10,000 miles since last car week. Uh, was the last time I hit a milestone, but the point I want, and I apologize, like I I I was very tired and Carmel was really irritating. Um, but I just want to say thanks to everybody who came up to both Nick and I. Nick got chirped a lot about Nicky Lube, which was so funny to see.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Did get a lot. One guy was parallel parking and he goes, Nick, and it scared the crap out of like, I almost wrecked my car. But it was, I love the enthusiasm and that's the appropriate level of chirping.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  But it was, it was so touching. The number of people who came up to us and said, oh, thank you for doing that. It really means a lot when we get to meet people who actually listen to this. They actually want to hear us talk for some reason. I I don't know why.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  My favorite group of younger gentlemen goes, so what is your real political affiliation?

• 58:21Speaker 05

  What'd you tell Nick?

• 58:22Speaker 03

  I went

• 58:23Speaker 05

  Tell the people.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  I went out of my way to give the biggest non-answer possible in a way that like gave them just enough, but not enough.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Well, Nick, Nick told some incredibly politically incorrect jokes.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  Very blue.

• 58:36Speaker 05

  It it balances things.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  It's, uh, you know.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  We'll never know. We'll never know.

• 58:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  You'll never know.

• 58:41Speaker 05

  We'll never definitely don't look up who who Nick and and his wife have donated to.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  My, my, yes, the Ferrari foundation.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Ferrari.

• 58:49Speaker 03

  All of my net worth. I feel I'm very proud of that cause. I I will say to the my favorite, one of my favorite things, I'd never been to a Benihana before.

• 58:57Speaker 05

  What?

• 58:58Speaker 03

  And our our friend Sam, like, it's like his guilty pleasure is Benihana.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  It is.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  He's so into it.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  Was it Benihana? Surely not.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, like right in the thick of it.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  No, it's like it's in Monterey, like right near the auction.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  RM's auction, it is like too.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  We will do that forever from now on.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  It was amazing. I had so much fun.

• 59:16Speaker 04

  It is. He got to see the volcano.

• 59:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, who was it? Was it Sam? Oh, no, Sean got really mad because they almost didn't do the volcano. And called him out, was like, are you doing the volcano?

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Excuse me, I'm sorry about that.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  And then he didn't let us eat the volcano and there was like, but like I'd never realized what a thing Benihana's was.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  The Bashi girls are cool.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  But you know what I mean? Like that was, those parts were like really, really fun.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  It's hanging out with your friends. That's the fun part. Yeah.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was, we we had a blast. Like Nick barked at a stick. It was, I lost my mind laughing. It was, it was just like

• 59:45Speaker 03

  I also enjoyed the the L405 gave him a shiner. Um, almost killed.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, can we talk about what?

• 59:52Speaker 04

  I have a scar now.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  I want to know about how the M5 was. I want to know about how the L405 was.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  Well, Nick proclaims that the L405 was the perfect car week car.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  It was.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Which in some ways it was. However, you want to tell people what happened on the way up there with, uh, was the car flawless on your journey?

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  I didn't say flawless. I said it was perfect while you were there. So about we we talked in the previous pod that there's a tear in my convertible top.

• 1:00:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Well, about an hour into the trip, that tear became absolutely shredded. So it's like flapping and I had to drive the entire way, the rest of the way there and all the way back with the top down. You can no longer drive with the top up. It's and so holding 80 miles an hour for like eight hours.

• 1:00:29Speaker 05

  It's a lot of wind.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  It was 95 degrees because we had to take the inland route because of the fires.

• 1:00:33Speaker 05

  And you're a little, you you need sunscreen. Did you bring sunscreen?

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  I did not. I just, that's why I'm a little

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Backed convertible owner over here.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Colorful over here. Um, so yeah.

• 1:00:42Speaker 05

  Tan, it's nice.

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  It was a little, it was a little, but actually Buffett's the wind fine. So that little hiccup aside.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  Right. No roof.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  Driving around, like you just got 360 degree views. You can see all these cool cars. It you stand out now the in at Spanish Bay. Also wanted to clamp down on all the car spotters. So what they advertise is that it's a hundred dollars to park there.

• 1:01:03Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  However, if you look the part.

• 1:01:06Speaker 05

  That's not bad for Carmel.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  It's a it's a bit rich.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  It was, it's been free.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  The 10 cars that are valeted there, it's not worth a hundred dollars. However, if you look the part, they might just let you in.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  So if I said, oh, I'm I'm just getting drinks on the back patio, they say, carry on, sir. Didn't charge me anything.

• 1:01:23Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  Because they knew an L405 Cabriolet belonged.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  Yep. With, uh, yes, with all of its

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Kenan, Kenan got turned away. They go, oh, sorry, the In-N-Out Burger is is three miles that way in Seaside, sir.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Not at all what happened. We got separated and like Kevin and I got ice cream.

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  Is that what happened?

• 1:01:38Speaker 05

  How did people get injured?

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah. So his perfect vehicle, I, my friend Nick shows up later than all of us because he drives probably a little bit slower. Uh, because his roof doesn't work. Um, and so he gets there, I'm helping him unload it and we open up the rear hatch and of course the carpet is delaminating from it. It's falling apart. Lights are falling out. We lift it up and you know, there are straps normally that hold this up, right? Well, he is holding it one. I assumed that it worked. That's my first mistake.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  Why would you ever?

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  I because my car functions and this is Nick's and I didn't think about this and it closed on my head and just instantly sliced my head right open. I have a little scar right?

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  It's healing nicely, I will say.

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  Quite nicely, but I was like, oh, great. I'm going to have to now go get stitches because Nick's BS car.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  I thought you were gonna need stitches.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  I thought I was gonna need stitches.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  I feel really bad.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  And Nick's defend, Nick felt so bad. He probably apologized to me like eight times. But Kevin, our friend Kevin, a former, uh, EMT.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Of course he is.

• 1:02:38Speaker 04

  He stitched me up with just some stereo strips and I did have to have a Band-Aid over my head, which was a little bit embarrassing for it. But for Quail, I didn't have to do it. Yeah, it it healed up pretty quickly. But so Nick's car, the roof broke and it injured me.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  But but other than that, it was great. Also, the my favorite part is this graphic kit that Ryan Lopez designed.

• 1:02:57Speaker 04

  Which was

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  Doug DeMuro's name on it for some reason. And in a bizarre font. Doug, Doug was not present, but literally within five minutes of entering Carmel, Doug DeMuro. Like people kept messing up his name and it's like, it's literally written on the door, but

• 1:03:11Speaker 05

  And he's only the largest YouTuber.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  Right. Those things aside, the amount of times mo- most of the interactions were is where's Doug? And I I was like, Sean, can I please just take his name off the car? And Sean made me keep it on till the very end, but Doug was not present and despite us advertising Doug DeMuro and not Nicky Lube. Which is my my biggest regret.

• 1:03:31Speaker 05

  Our mistake.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Yes, indeed. Next year, Nicky Lube and Ken and R will be on that car next year.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Once I actually incorporate the business, then then maybe I'll advertise for it.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  Okay, that's a good place to begin.

• 1:03:41Speaker 05

  Uh, M5 was good?

• 1:03:43Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah. So the M5 was perfect. I had it serviced before we left. We had some some issues that we discovered. I'm glad that we did. I swear to God, like doing the injectors probably picked up 20, 30 horsepower on that car. It is so sharp, even when it's really hot outside, like it was amazing. Like driving, it's the best.

• 1:03:58Speaker 05

  You had just gotten it serviced. You mentioned a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  E39 source crushed it. Uh, and it was, I just could not get over like, I was giddy at how amazing it was and like I was going some speed and it just like it doing what the M5 does best, just like listening to smooth jazz, climate control, perfect. It's just going.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Your your car was best to get to and fro and my car was best while you were there.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  My car was used quite a bit. We got, we need to go somewhere.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  Only because it had four doors.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  Into the M5. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:04:24Speaker 05

  Well, everybody else has boxer spiders.

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  Can't carry many people.

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  Spider web.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  Spider web. Uh, I do want to say I was, I Your sentiments does your kind of align with how I feel about Car Week generally. Somebody who loves cars, but doesn't, I don't, I'm not a wealthy car guy, right?

• 1:04:40Speaker 04

  But I love supercars and the expensive stuff and that's why I would have liked to see.

• 1:04:43Speaker 05

  How I would have felt this year.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  You would not like.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  But I did really miss you guys.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Missed you too.

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  With you guys last year. I also miss seeing, you see everybody.

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  You do see everybody.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  For us that are in this world and like have other connections. You see everybody and it was sad to miss that. It was also sad, you guys didn't text or send nearly enough pictures. Service is bad.

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  I barely took.

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  And also you're, you're busy, but I did miss some scathing takes that I feel like you could have given.

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  I sent some good stuff though. I saw 250 Testerosa dump all of its oil out.

• 1:05:10Speaker 05

  You have that incredible photo of an F40, Sean's car.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  Yes, we'll overlay that. We were leaving our, and actually was a fan of the podcast.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  Very nice guy. Got to talk to him later, but we, um, yeah, so we were leaving our friend Eric's house and it was, the, the boxer spiders went first, of course. Sean and his little, Nick and then Sean, little alpha, and then F40 right there. And I pulled in right behind the F40 and got this incredible picture of them going up the hill, all of the cars. And in front, it doesn't.

• 1:05:39Speaker 05

  There was also.

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  Moments like that are just like.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  A multiple one, the Fiat Concorso Italiano.

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  Is it the most what we know?

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, Roberts, um, who have, he's been to our office before.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, great.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Great guy.

• 1:05:50Speaker 05

  Great, great guy.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I mean, the, the GT1s from DK Engineering were like insane. So yeah, there was a lot of good. I took like maybe 13 photos in total. I, I will say the other thing that was a little weird was not only were like the rich guy crowd a bit much, but like there were so many people vlogging.

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  That it made me no longer want to vlog. Like, like I, I haven't done a lot of YouTube content recently and like, there was just so many people like, hey guys. And then like respect, it's hustle, it's a lot of work. I, I respect the creativity, but it's like, there's no content to be produced that it's like people taking photos of the fireworks.

• 1:06:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  It's like, no one's ever going to watch this. You're never going to go back and look at it. Like just put your phone down and enjoy it and experience it because like this content is, is.

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  It's so saturated.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  That's why I didn't make any content around Car Week. It's like, there are a million videos to watch about that. Uh, so it's like, I, there is a video I will make about one experience I had at Car Week and that's coming up later on.

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  That'll be a different story for another time. Um, but, but yeah, enough about Car Week.

• 1:06:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  Should we switch to talking about the market?

• 1:06:48Speaker 05

  Let's go. The market report is brought to you of course by Cars and Bids, the ultimate site for whether you want to buy or sell into these cars.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  Right. Not Nicky Loop, it's not incorporated yet.

• 1:06:55Speaker 05

  It's not incorporated.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  But one day it will be.

• 1:06:57Speaker 05

  One day, um, all right. Kenan, you want to start us off?

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. So Ferraris are hot. As everybody knows, they're on fire and not in the normal way. Uh, and this one for the underscores. So 97 F35 Spider, red, a tan, belt service done 18,000 miles. What, six weeks ago, this was probably a hundred and $20,000 car? This one sold for a hundred and 98,300 bucks.

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  For the mileage, uh, et cetera, right? This is like a strong result, period.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  It's a big result.

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  That's, I've, I, after this, I like spent a while looking at F355 results and you know the market better than I do, but.

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  This is not. I don't understand.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  It's pretty crazy. I have to say like, as someone who owned one of these cars, it's like, uh, cause spiders, they made a lot more of them. They're the most, it's a very popular variant. Uh, and it's the one you don't want because it doesn't have any chassis rigidity and it doesn't look as cool as the Brondetta or the GTS. But it's the one I want because you're closest to the sound.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  And it's the one I grew up with. So it's just what I think of when I think of the 355. But the fact that these are all pushing 200 grand for a spider is crazy.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  They had an engine out service recently, had good service documentation, 18,000 miles.

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  Still.

• 1:08:04Speaker 05

  It's not.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Still.

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  This is a great one. This is not like a special, like you're only going to find out that this is what they, what they are now.

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  But it's a red tan 97. I mean, it's like, it's not like the last use of production. It's not, it's like, it's just like kind of dead middle of the road 355. I mean, a nice one, but it's like.

• 1:08:19Speaker 05

  When you had yours, four years ago, three years ago?

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  Three years ago.

• 1:08:22Speaker 05

  You, you, I remember you saying, I bought it now and I kind of rushed the purchase a little bit because I was worried the market was going up. And then I was like, ah, Kenan, I don't think you're right. And then six months later, whatever it was, a year later, you sold it. And for what I thought was like.

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  All the money.

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  Whoa, that is all the money.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  And it was at the time.

• 1:08:39Speaker 05

  It was at the time. 112 was such a strong result. And now, uh, you, you, you're said relatively high miles, but like now a regular, like.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Even so, I mean, mine is probably a 140 car now at least. Like I would think.

• 1:08:52Speaker 05

  More like with the pressure of your presentation, like, and the service records you had, like.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. I, it's, it just is like kind of.

• 1:08:59Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  It, I, I mean, I'm conflicted about this. This is something I want to say. Somebody who works in the industry and we, we both do. It's like, I am happy to see results like that because it does financially, it's, it's positive for us. But as an enthusiast, it breaks my heart a little bit to know that like these cars move further away from the enthusiast crowd and into kind of the collector space where. I'll probably sit in garages and not be driven and be speculated on and it will be an asset on a, on a line.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  It just, right. Sure. But I don't know. That's just, but I just like grateful Cars and Bids for getting the results on this car. That is a serious number.

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  Clearly we, we have the buyers of these cars.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  Everything with Ferraris is just.

• 1:09:38Speaker 05

  Ferraris are, Ferraris are really expensive.

• 1:09:40Speaker 03

  Even a 599 that I was looking at is now.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Like, so I drove, you can kind of see that if you go to Filippo, if you cut to Filippo's there, you can see the red car back there is the Testerosa that I'm going to be bringing to the market.

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  I know, which is a high mile one. It'll be.

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  98,000 miles. So curious to see what that thing ends up selling for. It was just imaged last week by the great Nick Stafford. Uh, so I'm excited to see what. I just have no idea. It's so hard to put a number on a Ferrari because as Car Week proved, as this proves, like they're just the market.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  I like how we're using imaged instead of photographed now.

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  This is the second time I've caught that. The first time I was like, okay, interesting word choice, but you're going with it.

• 1:10:14Speaker 04

  I like.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  We image them.

• 1:10:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 03

  We don't photograph them.

• 1:10:17Speaker 05

  Shoot them. That's bad.

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. You don't want to shoot.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  I don't want to shoot a Testerosa. Well, some, some owners probably do after a while, but this result just like, I just.

• 1:10:24Speaker 03

  We're going to image it.

• 1:10:25Speaker 05

  It, it, Lamborghini, I was watching the Car Week, there's a lot of auctions that happen during, during Car Week in person. I was watching the result. There were some really strong Lamborghini results on, there was a Mercy that set a new record.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  I mean, everything was.

• 1:10:36Speaker 05

  Everyone was strong, but Ferraris are just out of this world.

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  It's a whole different league now than it was.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  Even, uh, there was a Selena seven that went for like 1.1. So much for your dream of having a Selena seven.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  I know. It's over. It's all over.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  But yeah, it is all over. But you know what I know? Can we talk about the Maserati for a second?

• 1:10:52Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:10:52Speaker 04

  I noticed something recently like, isn't that, now Maserati Grand Sport is not the most valuable of cars. This one sold for 25, which in my mind, this is a $10,000 car. I, I looked recently though, they're selling in the mid twenties. These cars were like 15.

• 1:11:08Speaker 05

  Which is, is up 30%.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Which I know that's not, but like, is this car like starting to appreciate a little? I think it's kind of weird.

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  Couldn't go much lower.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  I.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  This feels like random fluctuation.

• 1:11:19Speaker 04

  But it's not. If you look at, if you look at like the.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  I'm going to stick by it.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Number of cars. Like I was kind of surprised. So like, what this made me think of is like, maybe not this car specifically, but it's an example of like. As Ferraris continue to get more expensive, what cars are people going to diversify to? Not this, but like.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  Sorry, Maserati.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Aston, something is, it's like, is going to happen. I think that's, people are going to start moving to Astons. I think the Audi RA, people are already doing it with Lamborghini.

• 1:11:43Speaker 05

  Audi RA values have not held.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  Not, not, just wait.

• 1:11:49Speaker 05

  I, I, in the current market of the last six months, I've, cause I, I was looking in the like, call it 60 to 80 K price range when I bought an Alfa. I looked at everything in that range and I would have loved an Audi RA gated V8.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Would you? That's very flashy for you.

• 1:12:05Speaker 05

  The right color is subdued enough.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  I don't know. You get asked a lot of this.

• 1:12:08Speaker 05

  I was watching the market for that as a result. The last number of results on our site and across the industry have been cheaper than I've expected it to be.

• 1:12:15Speaker 04

  I'm saying.

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  Some of that is worst results coming to market or like worst cars.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  Examples, yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  But I also don't think that that's held nearly this appreciation that 997s, 991, 911s have had or Ferraris.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  Well, speaking of 997s, can you pull up that turb ski?

• 1:12:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 04

  That you guys just saw? I feel like that was a very good result. Like 170 grand for this turbo, which 7,000 mile car, 6B manual, but a dot one.

• 1:12:34Speaker 05

  These are going to go up. There, there's no dot one, dot two turbo differentiation, really?

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  Except for the entire rear end design of the car, but yeah.

• 1:12:41Speaker 05

  Regular 911, for regular 997s, the dot one to dot two had real reliability upgrades.

• 1:12:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Speaker 05

  You lose a lot of bore score and concerns.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  The turbo was already reliable.

• 1:12:50Speaker 05

  The turbo was already reliable. It's all.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  But they also produced quite a few less dot twos than they did dot one.

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  For that reason, they're valuable, but like you don't have the.

• 1:12:57Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Am I allowed to yawn at this conversation?

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  No. Uh, but my point is 170 grand is a pretty strong number for a, a, a, this car. And I suspect those will continue to rise.

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  At the same time, 996s are, are not far off of that at this point, right? We sold, oh my God, it's so long ago. We sold so many 911s. Yeah, you might.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  Well, one sixty for a car with more miles.

• 1:13:18Speaker 05

  Right, like, I'm actually surprised. Nine nine seven turbos have doubled in the last year.

• 1:13:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Speaker 05

  I have a feeling they got another Dublin ago.

• 1:13:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. Shout out to our friend Perry, who got in at the right time. Uh, but yeah, I, it is interesting. I'm just curious where the market will start to find other value. And we're like, what that will do to the other cars.

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  Can I talk about something that has not gone up at all?

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  That I think is unappreciated. All right. We fail to sell the E fifty five, excuse me, E fifty three AMG wagon. This is the newest AMG wagon. S two thirteen AMG wagons, the E sixty three, V eight, then of that. There were admittedly, they stopped production for a couple of years. Those were above sticker.

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  Forever.

• 1:13:57Speaker 05

  Forever. They, they, they are now not because they have miles and that are like, they are still holding. They're more expensive than this. E fifty threes, which don't have the V eight, but are incredibly powerful.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  Yep, doesn't matter.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  Are depreciating like any other Mercedes.

• 1:14:10Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter. Everybody wants the V eight.

• 1:14:11Speaker 05

  Everybody wants a V eight, which is, which is not surprising, but is kind of notable.

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  It, yeah, everyone wants a, yeah, everyone wants a V eight. If you want a performance car and a wagon like that, I feel like there's so much crossover.

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  Or, or you just get the base model, which still has plenty of power. Doug would argue, like that one's, it's tough because it's stuck in between.

• 1:14:32Speaker 05

  Uh, right, like this one from a month ago, ten times the miles of that E fifty three. Sold for about, which I assume is a right around sticker on it.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  All this just makes me want to clean fun with like a Camaro or a Mustang.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  I, you know.

• 1:14:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of cool cars you can get for ten grand.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  Car enthusiasts want experiences and the V, a V eight is a visceral, emotional thing.

• 1:14:56Speaker 05

  Not necessarily.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  That not, not in every application, but in this application it would be.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  I'm not sure that he would have had a better Explorer experience with the V eight.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I definitely would. My Selena seven had the V eight, you throw a blower on that thing?

• 1:15:09Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  Let me tell you.

• 1:15:11Speaker 05

  I'm just a little surprised by that.

• 1:15:13Speaker 04

  All right. Yeah.

• 1:15:14Speaker 05

  You want to talk about advantages? Oh, you've, have you already made your advantage point?

• 1:15:17Speaker 03

  I made my point. I want a Vantage, that's all. That's my point.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  I have some, yeah, I have a Vantage in right now, actually.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  You want to take a look at it?

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  Johnny, they're around. And every time I see them, I'm like, man, that is the coolest way to spend forty grand.

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  Four point three liter. Literally copying Doug.

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  I know that, that, that's a problem.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he's owned every car at this point. So it's like, you know, ninety thirty nine M five. He's only owned one BMW and he thirty six M three sedan.

• 1:15:40Speaker 05

  Uh, all right, should we get into questions?

• 1:15:41Speaker 04

  Let's get into questions.

• 1:15:42Speaker 05

  All right, this week, by the way, if you have new questions, don't go to cars and bits dot com. Go to the this car pod Instagram page. Well, we'll put it in the description and there'll be a post, add your questions there. We're trying something new.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:15:55Speaker 05

  Well, don't forget to go to cars and bits dot com.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  Trying something new, going to Instagram, which has existed forever, so.

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  Make sure you also follow this car pod on Insta. I selected some of the questions from this week and there were some great ones.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  So there's a subset.

• 1:16:09Speaker 05

  I'm going to start with a question for you. Derpy Cat one oh five recently purchased a Z three from their grandmother who had it for fifteen years. They would also like to keep this car for as long a period of time as possible. What is like the mindset that you have around keeping your car? How do other people replicate that? It's a, it's a M fifty four, uh, five speed.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  Well, the M, M fifty four is a great engine. So the thing I would, it's like, I would address any points that are known weak points with that car. In that car's case, that's your D sub valve. If you want to take a look at, you want to take a look at the crankcase ventilation system, cooling system. Those are really the weakest points with that particular engine. Do regular oil changes, it'll be fine. My view on maintenance is you always want to do as much preventative as you can. If something exhibits wear, do it. Like if you want, if you genuinely want to keep this car forever, which a lot of car enthusiasts say they do and never mean.

• 1:16:57Speaker 05

  I get the impression for their grandmothers, there's actually some of those.

• 1:17:00Speaker 04

  Sentimental value, I understand, and that is a great car to keep around. Look at Tyler Hoover, he's kept his grandmother's R one oh seven forever. And he, that will be the last car he ever sells. I don't think he's ever going to sell it. But if you want to be around for, the mentality you have to take is anytime it exhibits wear, just replace it. Like just service it and take care of it. What are you laughing at?

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  That's the most horrible advice I've ever heard. Yeah, if you want to be incredibly upside down in a Z three.

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  They're asking the question, they do.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Ten grand a year maintaining it and replacing things preventatively that aren't even broken yet, but maybe one day might become broken.

• 1:17:33Speaker 04

  If it exhibits.

• 1:17:34Speaker 03

  Then by all means, follow Kenan's example. If you are a rational human being that doesn't want to, uh, forego a 401K in lieu of maintenance and being like, oh, it's the last Valeo OEM HID with E codes. I better buy ten sets of them and stockpile them in case I get a rock chip.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  This coming, this coming from a guy whose convertible top looks like a bear shredded it. And the guy who then guillotined me with his own truck, doesn't maintain his car.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  Exactly. I waited until my top broke to replace it. I didn't be like, oh, the top looks a little faded. Maybe I should spend a grand on it.

• 1:18:10Speaker 04

  Broke on your way somewhere and then you had to get sunburned.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  It was fine.

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  We got a text from Nick coming back.

• 1:18:15Speaker 03

  Things break and then I fix it. I don't like try to predict the future.

• 1:18:18Speaker 04

  Really, do you enjoy being that cold?

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  It was fine, actually, it was a little hot for a lot of it, but the AC worked fine.

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  You're in Carmel, it rains.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  There are certain preventative items, I agree with you.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  The seats got wet, that's what happened.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  We threw a towel on it, it was fine.

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  Threw a towel.

• 1:18:31Speaker 05

  I'm much closer to Nick in this, obviously.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  But this person did ask.

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  But don't you feel like, no offense to Derpy Cat, a Z three, is that really worth?

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Well, the thing that, the thing about a Z three is like the components are not expensive. So to do this is actually pretty affordable. And like, if you want it to be around, you want it to be a car to use, you, then you have to do the work to keep it around. Everybody makes fun of me, but you know, one five and five didn't have a single issue going up there.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you spend five grand the week before, it's not going to have a single issue.

• 1:18:56Speaker 05

  Five grand a week, I'm there too.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  But it'll last me.

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  My cars have never had issues.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  Oh, please. I know that's not true.

• 1:19:06Speaker 05

  Never had a car break.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  You didn't have to constantly jumpstart the Fiat at the thing.

• 1:19:10Speaker 05

  And also that I'm not counting my E fifty three aside with that same issue.

• 1:19:12Speaker 04

  Right, just not counting cars, that's.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is a guy that can't get new tires on his car.

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  Somewhere in between us, depending on who you are and how nice the condition the car is already in also.

• 1:19:21Speaker 05

  If it is something that.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  But in my view, it's like, yeah, I just like to do. Yeah.

• 1:19:26Speaker 05

  It is not a, how do I minimize my cost in this car? It's how do I make sure it works forever? And that's maybe what they're looking for here.

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  You, you can burn yourself out over investing in a car.

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  You can, I have gotten that, felt that way about the E five. But at the end of the day, then I drive it doing the speeds that I did and it was wonderful. Fastest car there.

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  I mean, it's. I went faster than anybody in my crew, that's, anyway, we'll move on.

• 1:19:51Speaker 05

  That's not something we say publicly. All right, from Shooks twenty four, in honor of Nick's Range Rover Vert. What vehicle is not currently sold in a convertible should have had a convertible?

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Oh, Nick's gonna say all of them.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  That's what I thought he was gonna say.

• 1:20:05Speaker 04

  Every SUV, that's what Nick is.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  There are no three row SUVs and convertible factor.

• 1:20:10Speaker 05

  For so many good reasons.

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  I would buy one.

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  Would you?

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Even, even if it was like a Bronco where it wasn't like a true power top, but like just removable, I think that ought to be an option. Someone ought to do it. If one person did it.

• 1:20:22Speaker 05

  That's what comes to mind.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  Think about Doug Sequoia or a car like that, like Fernando Tuchet having a cap. Oh, by the way, the G sixty three cab was shown to people.

• 1:20:30Speaker 05

  Oh, how was it?

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  I did not get to see it because I can't remember where it was, but I wasn't there. However, I was told it was pretty cool.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  Cause it looks like a G wagon convertible.

• 1:20:38Speaker 03

  Some more convertible SUVs, maybe also like the Dodge Dakota, like convertible pickup.

• 1:20:42Speaker 05

  That was available as a convertible.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  That was available.

• 1:20:44Speaker 05

  Right, also, if you want another convertible, I got another convertible pickup truck, the Chevy SSR. Don't you forget it.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  Well, of course, who would forget the SSR?

• 1:20:51Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, apparently it's a struggle, they struggle to sell SSRs. I have a feeling that, that seller's understanding of value and market is a little different.

• 1:20:58Speaker 04

  Actually, it looks kind of good.

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  It looks great. We love that.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  This one has aftermarket wheels on it.

• 1:21:02Speaker 03

  Raider Nation, baby.

• 1:21:04Speaker 04

  Ryan Lopez is thrilled, I'm saying aftermarket wheels are good. There are exceptions to every rule.

• 1:21:08Speaker 05

  I, we got to give a better answer for this. Well, what other car should have a convertible?

• 1:21:12Speaker 04

  What other car should have a convertible?

• 1:21:14Speaker 05

  Took a lot of cars to.

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  Uh, all right.

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  Well, I need to noodle more on that one.

• 1:21:19Speaker 05

  Well, we'll noodle.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  Yep. The Brabus Boto should be cabriolet. Thankfully, they solved that.

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  Just like.

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  I love when the, the W is like a car that just they remove the top and you're like, yeah, that looks exactly how I thought it would.

• 1:21:32Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:21:33Speaker 04

  Not good.

• 1:21:34Speaker 05

  Just like when the nine eleven SC came out, you're like, yep.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, the, the G, the GT three is one I was not expecting, but yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, it exists. All right, question from gaming BTL. Given the level of power and acceleration that we see across the industry, should we have a better measure than zero to sixty? Where everything is two seconds zero sixty now. Every car that was revealed is two to two point three seconds zero sixty, probably. Do we need a better measure? Zero to one twenty, quarter mile?

• 1:22:03Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  Zero to a hundred to zero, like what, what's the?

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  I don't know, yeah, because then manufacturers find ways, they're like, oh, this car is the fastest.

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  What do you look at? If you want to know the relative performance of two cars? I feel like at this point, quarter mile is where I go.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  I, I think ring, ring lap times are kind of interesting because it takes into account handling more.

• 1:22:20Speaker 05

  Get that, that base C eight around the rings. See, compare that to.

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, that's why manufacturers are doing it is because they, they feel that a zero to sixty or a straight line is too one dimensional.

• 1:22:30Speaker 04

  It used to be the Top Gear track was how I would tell, because the same driver in, in the cars in the same exact place. And that was actually, I felt a decent way to actually test that out. But yeah, I don't know. I, I think generally quarter mile for acceleration, quarter mile is like a pretty telling.

• 1:22:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  Thing and, and it's also something you can, it's another thing, you can relate to zero to sixty. You can go to a drag shop and do a quarter mile and relate to what it feels like to do that.

• 1:22:56Speaker 05

  I think the hard part is that that's no longer the, it's never been the measure that I cared about. But it's also no longer, like, it, it, the speed is everywhere. Every Model S, every Model three, every, there's a new version of the gravity that's slightly faster. Like, they all have incredibly fast quarter mile time. That's impressive, but that doesn't tell you anything about the feel of it. And I think that we're in a moment in the car industry where rich guy go fast wants the speed. People that are a little bit more traditionally enthusiasts, I want the feel.

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  Experience.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  And I don't, I think the only way is to find journalists, including us, but including others. Jason Camus is a great example, where you trust from your own experience, some of their thoughts and you like, listen to what they said.

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  I would never call myself a journalist, uh, but I would, uh, but I, yeah, Doug, I would call a journalist. But yeah, I think that, yeah, there is a point to that, like seeing, I don't know, there is, there's a bit of feel to it. There's X factor, but there is also like, and I do consider that more desirable than any statistic. You, I would just prefer a manual.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  The objective factors are no longer as important as the subjective factors. Because anything under three seconds is more than enough.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  What would you say?

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  Go for it.

• 1:24:06Speaker 04

  You think you have a good take. Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen. Sean thinks he has a take. Let's hear it, Sean.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  Let's hear it, Sean. Please, come to the microphone, friend.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  Producer Sean has popped out of his gopher hole and has a take.

• 1:24:17Speaker 03

  Only his third interruption this pod.

• 1:24:19Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:24:20Speaker 05

  All right, my take for this is to get rid of the launch, right? Launch is so determined by having electric power.

• 1:24:28Speaker 03

  Or all-wheel drive.

• 1:24:29Speaker 05

  All-wheel drive gearing, rollouts, like, like, rolling starts are, in my opinion, so much more important. Every car is still so fast, it doesn't tell you much. Yes, so rolling starts and weight. I'm looking at weight, like, curb weights of cars much closer than I was 10 years ago.

• 1:24:43Speaker 03

  Agreed with weight. Agreed, that's a great point.

• 1:24:45Speaker 05

  What, does that tell you anything about the car, really? How? Fifty times, never have, to be fair. Yeah, for new cars, i- it's tough. It's like, weight can be covered with things like rear, rear wheel steer. A lot of things to eliminate the feel of a lot of weight, but weight plus, I guess, a lot of the, you know, the, what the, the magazines do, which is like a roundup of all the performance cars, you know, I look at like Evo Performance Car of the Year, where they take the best cars of the year and go do a crazy drive, where it's, it's a bunch of friends over three days, driving the piss out of cars.

• 1:25:22Speaker 04

  Sure, but it's a bunch of British journalists who pick a British car, that's usually how that goes. Or they're picking M5CS because they didn't want to pick GT3 because they knew they'd get flagged.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  I like how the print magazines do it, where it's based on how many dollars they spent on advertising in the past year.

• 1:25:33Speaker 05

  But I'm gonna stop interrupting and, and leave, leave the pod.

• 1:25:36Speaker 03

  Wait, can you, can you stand in a more awkward position?

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  This is producer Sean who said that he didn't want, he hated being recognized, he hated all the publicity, and here he is getting on the podcast.

• 1:25:46Speaker 05

  Rolling start is.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  He thought we were gonna do the Star Spangled Banner, which is why you kneeled down.

• 1:25:52Speaker 05

  He didn't remove the hat, though. A rollout is a good point, that, that does change things.

• 1:25:57Speaker 04

  It's an interesting, it's an interesting Sean take.

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  I disagree.

• 1:26:01Speaker 04

  I once, and like, this one's not as hot as most of his.

• 1:26:03Speaker 03

  The, the weight thing is, is important, like, when, we criticize a lot of cars for being overweight, and I think lighter weight cars have better driving dynamics on the whole.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Lighter, smaller.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  Valuable.

• 1:26:13Speaker 05

  Yep, simplify and add weight.

• 1:26:16Speaker 04

  Simplify and add.

• 1:26:17Speaker 05

  If you're Lotus currently.

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  Yes, right.

• 1:26:19Speaker 05

  All right, with the, from LXIX Nice E, with the recent wave of manual hypercars, Blackbird, the MCL6 GT, the Koenigsegg CC, whatever the heck, it is, is having a manual a trend that's gonna stick around and make it to the non-super limited hypercars, or is this just a blip?

• 1:26:40Speaker 00

  Blowing ad budget on metrics that look great till the CFO sees them, that's bull spend, and marketers are calling it out, in. Dashboard, confessions.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, "It'll be good for the brand," when leads were slow. Yeah, it, it wasn't.

• 1:26:58Speaker 00

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• 1:27:11Speaker 04

  Um, I mean, you see it in some, I mean, like, the WRX has a manual.

• 1:27:15Speaker 05

  That's a normal hypercar, yep.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  Well, no, if you're, are you saying normal hypercars or normal cars?

• 1:27:19Speaker 05

  Like, like, other sports cars, other hypercars and supercars.

• 1:27:22Speaker 04

  I mean, if, if that's what the market demands, that's what the company should build, and like, that's what people want. And I think that, like, Monte Rimat's made the great point.

• 1:27:31Speaker 05

  He who builds EVs that don't have, and every Bugatti. No, no wish have a manual.

• 1:27:35Speaker 04

  He made the point, nobody wanted that. Like, nobody, that car, the, that car had so much performance, and nobody wanted it. Um, and so, like, but people want manuals and they want driving experience. Of course, the, like, the, the current Bugattis are like, it's, it's a different thing, but my point, my point is, I think, the fact that Ferrari finally has kind of done a manual, McLaren is doing a manual, it's like, I think Lamborghini is foolish to think that they shouldn't do a manual.

• 1:27:59Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Um, and I think that, like, anybody who's actually serious about what their clientele wants and was clearly deemed special should be making manual championships.

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  This is an easy question. It is affirmative, yes, period, end of story. It is, but, as we just literally talked about, how zero to 60 is slightly meaningless, straight line speed doesn't matter, it's about the experience. The manual is the biggest differentiating point, and I think we're gonna stop caring about specs altogether and say, "Do they offer it as a manual, or do I have to let it computer shift?"

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  Shout out to Hennessy, they get it, like, doing what they're doing.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  The Hennessy cars we did not talk about in Car Week, pretty cool.

• 1:28:31Speaker 04

  So cool.

• 1:28:32Speaker 03

  I'm into it. I, I wish they had an affordable supercar, because I don't, I'm not like Steve Hamilton here, where I can

• 1:28:38Speaker 05

  You can get the, the Hennessy power pack for your Yukon.

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  I, you know what, I am starting to look at Hennessy tuned Escalades a lot more.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  Because I like their multimillion dollar cars so much, and I'm like, I bet that Escalade really boogies, you know?

• 1:28:49Speaker 05

  It does, I know.

• 1:28:50Speaker 04

  Boogies.

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  I, I half agree, right? So I, I think that, that

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  Supercar. I, I saw some images of it. We imaged the, the boogying Escalade, and I was into it.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, all right.

• 1:29:01Speaker 05

  I, I, I have, I think, like, supercar makers have this dual, there's a lot of tension in, I think, the car enthusiast world. There's a reason that every new M3 and M4 you see, which is what all 20 to 40 year olds seem to be buying, are comps. Because they're all automatic. Like, there is very much a group of car enthusiasts that seems to want the fastest, highest performance car and doesn't care about manuals. Right? Like, like, BMW sells way more M3 comps than they do M3s with

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  You go to Car Week, though, everyone's looking through the window saying, "Is it a stick or is it an auto?"

• 1:29:34Speaker 05

  Some people do, but you also

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  The look of disgust they give to the automatic.

• 1:29:38Speaker 05

  Look at every M4 that you see, it's gonna be a comp, and that is a real clientele, and that's a real market. And so I think the supercar makers need to balance.

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  But I don't, I don't think manuals are fad. I think they will stick around. I don't think that this is like a blip in the pan or a flat.

• 1:29:50Speaker 04

  Well, it's kind of GMA's entire brief.

• 1:29:52Speaker 05

  I, I would not be surprised if, over the next decade, it becomes the for, for a while, getting the PDK was a, was a cost option, or like, when, when Ferrari came out with the F1, my request was the F1 transmission, was an at cost.

• 1:30:07Speaker 04

  Big cost option, yeah.

• 1:30:07Speaker 05

  I expect that the opposite will happen, where

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  It should.

• 1:30:10Speaker 05

  Where, like, you can

• 1:30:11Speaker 03

  I mean, Porsche just announced that, we talked about it.

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  More automakers will offer manuals in some specific cars, in some, like, handling-focused cars, because they know their clientele, and there's mismatch, there's, there's a overlap there, between the people that want the handling, people that want the speed, but a lot of them will also that, that will be at a premium to their more high-performance, speed-focused offering.

• 1:30:33Speaker 03

  Dude, even the EVs are doing this. EVs are doing simulated shifts, and like

• 1:30:36Speaker 05

  Two of them.

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, but more are coming, like, the brands are all talking about how we wanna bring that back.

• 1:30:41Speaker 05

  An automatic transmission also has simulated shifts.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Total crappy experience anyways.

• 1:30:45Speaker 05

  Every automatic this one has simulated shifts. So I, I, I don't think that it will go back to being just manual.

• 1:30:49Speaker 03

  We're stick guys.

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  That's right. We stick together. I was looking at the RX7.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  Not you.

• 1:30:54Speaker 04

  He's only

• 1:30:55Speaker 05

  You don't own any manual cars.

• 1:30:57Speaker 03

  I have any.

• 1:30:57Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right, that's right, apologies. Um, all right, one more question?

• 1:31:03Speaker 04

  One more question. Make it a good one, Filippo.

• 1:31:06Speaker 05

  Uh, I don't know if I get a, if I can commit to that. All right, here's, here's a question that overlaps with all of us, from Ian Danton. Doug in Cronies, he's at, I am at an automotive crossroads. I currently drive a 26 Cayenne, and own a 996 Carrera 911, and a W209 CLK55 with an M113K swap, so turbocharged, turbocharged, excuse me.

• 1:31:27Speaker 04

  Supercharged.

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  Supercharged, I was right, first time. 31, single, no kids. He's gonna get rid of the 996. What should he get instead? He is committed to keeping the CLK.

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  Good God, this guy has my exact case.

• 1:31:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know, that's why I

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  M113K, Cayenne.

• 1:31:42Speaker 05

  What, what, what should he get?

• 1:31:43Speaker 03

  And he wants to get rid of his Porsche.

• 1:31:44Speaker 05

  He wants to get rid of his Porsche, he's considering a 997, he's considering a V8 Vantage, he's considering

• 1:31:49Speaker 04

  R8.

• 1:31:51Speaker 05

  That's what he should get.

• 1:31:51Speaker 04

  You're getting R8.

• 1:31:52Speaker 05

  I agree with that.

• 1:31:52Speaker 04

  I think that's like the right, because that, that also follows the Nick playbook.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say the, the AMG GT of his consideration set, he's already got one Mercedes AMG in the, the mix. Obviously, they're very different, but like

• 1:32:05Speaker 05

  To get to AMG GT levels, he would have to sell the 996 and the Cayenne, yeah.

• 1:32:08Speaker 03

  But he doesn't have kids. You need a daily.

• 1:32:10Speaker 05

  CLK55 with the 113K swap.

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  Oh, maybe.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  I like the R8 suggestion. I, I think, sell the 996 first, see how much money you're gonna get, and can I give a different Keep your mind open for that.

• 1:32:23Speaker 05

  Okay, so if you have a Cayenne, you have a daily. If you have a CLK, you have a soft sports car, power-centric.

• 1:32:28Speaker 04

  Cru, yeah, cruiser.

• 1:32:29Speaker 05

  Elise.

• 1:32:30Speaker 04

  Good GT car.

• 1:32:31Speaker 05

  Or, or Zige, or Vora, like, something in that, like, lightweight, rougher, you don't wanna drive it, 911 is comfortable. Go uncomfortable.

• 1:32:39Speaker 04

  I think probably, yeah, because I'm 31 as well, it's like, that would, that would, these are the kind of cars you should own, like

• 1:32:45Speaker 05

  And you can only do it when you don't have kids.

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and if that's, if that's, yeah, if you don't plan on having kids, that's, you know, one, another thing, but like, right now, a good season in life, it sounds, to own sports cars.

• 1:32:55Speaker 05

  Especially, like, an, an RA is a little bit, almost too practical, the sports car. It's very, it's too usable.

• 1:33:01Speaker 04

  But he seems to like usable cars.

• 1:33:02Speaker 05

  But that, that, that's why, just like, I had to go way outside of my comfort zone to buy an expensive car. He needs to go way outside of his comfort zone and not get something

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  It's not bad advice.

• 1:33:11Speaker 05

  He, he needs to go, like, incompetent.

• 1:33:12Speaker 03

  I, I agree with going

• 1:33:13Speaker 04

  Your first-hand Viper?

• 1:33:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yes, except that he already has a power forward, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive car.

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  Fair enough. The, the Elise would offer a, a great, different experience, and you'll get in and out of it for the same money.

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  That's all right. I, I think getting outside of your comfort zone's a good idea. Like, obviously, you have Porsche, Mercedes, like, like, think of a new brand, like, I, I love the V8 Vantage idea, I'm, I'm kind of obsessed.

• 1:33:38Speaker 05

  Could also go older. Like, we, we have that RX7 live right now, that would be out of the price point, but like, an RX7 is like a cool experience.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  Now you enter headache territory, though. I mean, RX7 is great, but you have to really love it and want an RX7. They are amazing cars, but they are not light on maintenance.

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  Compared to a base 911, 996 with aero kit, I mean, psh, come on.

• 1:33:56Speaker 04

  I need these cars.

• 1:33:57Speaker 03

  A lot of these are gonna be

• 1:33:57Speaker 04

  All three of those could suggest, like, R8, Elise.

• 1:34:00Speaker 03

  Get a fox-bodied Mustang, you're gonna be boogying.

• 1:34:02Speaker 05

  Would you get rid of the 996 and the Cayenne for an R8? You would have to, that, based on his

• 1:34:06Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I think it would.

• 1:34:08Speaker 05

  And then just have a CLK.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  Dude, I'd get rid of the 996 and a Cayenne for like a Nissan Leaf, with money in the bank.

• 1:34:14Speaker 05

  In case you were wondering, next Cayenne is gonna be live on Cars and Bids real soon.

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

  He's very subtle.

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  Yep. I'll, I'll do a straight trade for a V8 Vantage, if anyone's

• 1:34:23Speaker 05

  What a generous

• 1:34:24Speaker 04

  What a trade.

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, stick only, though.

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  No sports chef.

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, that really brings it into the realm of comparison.

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  Yep. If anybody wants, I mean, he hasn't gotten free cars before. That's right, free or HREs.

• 1:34:36Speaker 04

  Don't give him free cars.

• 1:34:38Speaker 05

  Free or HREs.

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  The HREs, by the way, before we left for Car Week, my shop contacted me, they're like, "There's nails in every tire." They're like, "We don't think you're gonna make it there and back, but if you think you will, bring a tire inflator." Sure enough, Wolfbox had sponsored one of our videos with a tire inflator, I'm like, "Great, I am taking that." I, and they patched them, I inflated it, we were good to go.

• 1:34:59Speaker 04

  This is why you wonder why you're crazy. This is why you're crazy. The lack of preparation and the headaches it induces, like, and you're surprised at it.

• 1:35:07Speaker 03

  One would argue your consumer advice of have an unlimited open pocketbook for a Z3 to, that your dead grandma gave you. Well, that's a little crazy, too.

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  No, it's, you asked me.

• 1:35:18Speaker 03

  Grandma would want you to be financially solvent and not upside down on a Z3.

• 1:35:22Speaker 05

  Probably would.

• 1:35:23Speaker 03

  She, uh, she would say, "Save your money, honey."

• 1:35:26Speaker 04

  Save your money.

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  AI is gonna take your job soon.

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  Let's boogie.

• 1:35:29Speaker 03

  You're gonna need it.

• 1:35:30Speaker 05

  Let's boogie. Uh, all right, well, thank you so much for listening.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  Invest in bonds.

• 1:35:34Speaker 04

  In same podcast.

• 1:35:35Speaker 05

  Uh, Doug will be back next week. He's currently in, like, Missouri.

• 1:35:39Speaker 04

  St. Louis.

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  AKA, what do you call Missouri?

• 1:35:41Speaker 04

  You can find me in St. Louis.

• 1:35:44Speaker 05

  Goodbye, everybody.

• 1:35:45Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

• 1:35:45Speaker 05

  We listen to a lot of Elliot on Car Week, it was great.

• 1:35:48Speaker 04

  It was tough.