Session 96: Julia Fox

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

• 0:02Speaker 01

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• 0:25Speaker 02

  Surprise pussies, happy Friday. Today we have on one of my inspirations, honestly, Julia Fox. She is actually the reason I am sitting here talking to you guys right now. If you don't know, a few years ago, Julia Fox was like replying to comments and like acting out what people asked her to do. And I was like, oh, that's so funny. I'm gonna do that. And that changed everything for me. And that is why I have this podcast. That's why I'm doing what I do. That's why I'm able to talk to you guys. And I essentially owe it all to her. And she acts, she models, she's a personality, she's an author, she literally does everything. To be able to talk to someone who's lived such an insanely

• 1:05Speaker 02

  interesting life is just so awesome. I got to hear about everything. It made me, I hadn't yet read her book, and I recently just bought it because of this. It's called Down the Drain. Louise says it's her favorite book of all time. It is like actually incredible. I'm about to start it. I'm so excited. She also stars in the new movie, Him. So that's today. It's actually out today. Um, I saw a little bit of her in it. She's unbelievable. Um, and I just love her. To submit a Tell Me What's Wrong, go to passthatpuss.com, click Tell Me What's Wrong, and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay, enjoy the episode. Love you pussies.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapuss. Tonight we have on author, actress, fashion icon, it girl always, Julia Fox.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  Oh, I love that intro.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Thank you, I was thinking about it in the shower.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  I could tell. I love it. I love it.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Um, welcome.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Thanks for being here.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  You are, I don't know if I've told you this before, but you are the reason why I have a show at all.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  You're joking.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  I swear because you used to do this thing where you would respond to people's comments and you would like act out whatever they told you to act out.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Yes.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  And that's like how I got my start because you did that. I was like, oh, that's so clever. I'm gonna do that now.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh. I know. I feel like I used to have so much fun on TikTok and now I'm like, I don't know. And like my ADHD, like I just, when I like, I lose interest, I'm like done. I'm gone forever. And I'm like trying to go back and it's just like, I don't know. Like it's not like novel anymore or something.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Like you think it like makes you anxious or you're just like bored?

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Like just no desire.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  You know, like occasionally I'll like do a little post, but like, I don't know. I feel like I've just really been living like IRL recently. Like I went on a full three week vacation. Like no one would even know. There is no photographic evidence of it. Like I'm just living.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  And do you like that?

• 3:09Speaker 03

  I don't know. I feel very like Kourtney Kardashian coded. I'm like, I get what she was saying now. Like I understand.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  I'm so addicted to my phone. I feel like I can never do that.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  More power to you. Like I, I wish I could get back there, but I don't know. It's just, you know, you go through like phases and seasons in life and I feel like I'm in a season of just like, kind of like figuring out what is important to me and like what is just for me and not for anyone else. Or like, you know what I mean?

• 3:45Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. What do you feel like? Do you feel like being, because you've been in the public eye, I feel like a lot longer than people know. Like.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Just to varying degrees.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah. But it's like, it keeps growing and growing and growing and growing and growing. At what point do you think you felt like, oh shit, wait, maybe I need to take?

• 4:03Speaker 03

  There was a moment where I was like, oh wait, I'm like actually famous. Like I didn't, I thought, I don't know. I just kind of thought it was like. Like it was just like a funny prank. And then I was like, oh, it's real. You know, like it's, it's hard to even like show up authentically if everything you say is gonna get like picked apart and stuff. And it's like, at the end of the day, if you really try hard enough, you can have a problem with anything that someone says. Do you know what I mean?

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  So it's hard because I, you know, I am just very blunt and I just say what's on my mind and, and I really don't mean any harm. But unfortunately, there are people that'll just like find something wrong in what you said. And then it's like, then you're questioning yourself like, oh my God, wait, like, am I like a bad person? And then, and then moving forward, you find yourself questioning everything you say. Cause you're like, oh, wait, wait, wait, they could clip that and that could be bad or like, you know? So it just kind of takes the fun out of it entirely. And then you're like, okay, well now you guys don't get to have me anymore.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Right, exactly. Do you feel like that changed entirely, maybe with TikTok? I feel like that back in the day, you could kind of, not even back in the day, but like five years ago, you could say whatever the fuck you wanted.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it did. It felt like there was only like a certain like niche community on TikTok. And you know, as all the, all social media landscape has changed, you know? Like I miss like the early days of Instagram, like that was where I shined. Like, yes, like I was an OG like shit poster and like funny captions, like before other people were doing it. And, and now it's like, it just feels like a chore and a job and like a LinkedIn thing. You know what I mean? It just doesn't feel like fun anymore. And also it's like, who are all these people? Like I'll be scrolling on my feed, I'm like, I don't know any of you. And I miss just like being, you know, like just in your little circle.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  And I also really, really miss the, what was the page called where you could see what other people were liking?

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Oh, the following page.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  Like, why did they get rid of that?

• 6:10Speaker 02

  That was electric.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  That was like, that caused me so much like unwellness, but also like I needed to see all like every, you know what I mean? I'd be like, what is my boyfriend liking? Who is he like? It was just like great.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Did you ever catch one of your boyfriends?

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Really?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  No. Like you were like blah, blah, blah, liked blah, blah, blah. And you, would you like send a screenshot and be like, I will, like what the fuck?

• 6:33Speaker 03

  I don't even know if phones screenshotted back then, did they?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  They did, they did, they did.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, they must have.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  No, yeah, it definitely got like super turned up for sure.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  You grew up in New York, right?

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  So did I, but you were raised in Italy until you were six, right?

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like not really though. Like I was in America for a couple of years before that too, as a toddler.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Um, but from like three to six, I was like in Italy only.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Sometimes I feel like Italian food is better in New York than it is in Italy.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  I completely disagree.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  I, I know and I think I'm wrong.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  I think I'm wrong.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it, I will say it's different. It's, it's just different.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  It's still really, really good and there are some Italian restaurants where I would say it's like com- like comparable. But ultimately it's about the minerals in the soil of Italy. Italy sits on volcanic like ground.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  So it's full of minerals and nutrients and it's just like that flavor. You can't get that here in America, no way. Like we have farmed the shit out of our land. There, there are no minerals and nutrients left. You have to go back in the end and, and put them in, you know, right before you send out. Like it's just not giving that and I can, I can taste that. Like I can taste the difference between an Italian tomato, American tomato.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  The mozzarella, like can't even, I mean, the pizza, just like no. Um, because the, the grain is different. Um, gelato, that's not the same.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Maybe I take back my.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause I hated tomatoes until I went to Italy and like France.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  But what I will say is that Italy does not have the most booming restaurant culture.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Like when I, whenever I go out to eat at a restaurant in Italy, mm, like 50% of the time I'm left a little bit like. Mm, but that's because we have a really big eating at home at people's houses culture.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Understood.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  And that is where the bangers are.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  So the, the restaurants are very much for more tour, like there will be more tourists at. A restaurant than there are actual Italian people because Italian people at six five P M they are at home. They are getting ready to eat with their families like like ninety nine point nine percent of them so.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  That is definitely it because I've never had like an actual home cooked Italian meal in Italy.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  See, like that and I'm telling you like I the all the aunties in Italy like they would just come out with these creations. And it was like like really like Michelin star quality and just you know they didn't bat an eyelash.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  Were you uh did were you from like the northern or southern?

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Okay, God, I've been I've been to um like in a northern area. That's like um uh Milan and stuff.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  The mountains, Venice is in the north um and it's you know it's different. Like I personally prefer like the vibes of the south because they're more similar to like a New York vibe. But it is, you know, beautiful nonetheless and you know, I I feel very fortunate to have roots there. I feel like it is definitely one of the things that kept me like level headed, kept me grounded is that I had that kind of like cultural tie. I knew right and wrong, you know, like all those things that were implemented in me as a child and something to, you know, just have it have it as a reference.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Do you feel like sometimes growing up in New York, like you can lose track of that?

• 10:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, one thousand percent. Also, because it's like Italy is very homogeneous, you know, like you, your neighbor, like you're all gonna be doing the same shit, you know, have the same values, same morals, you know, and in New York, it's really a free for all. Everyone's house has different rules, you know, it's it's it's it's hard to like form an identity because you're being pulled in so many directions and then that kind of becomes your identity. So I feel like I'm just a very um. Like I'm very mutable, like I'm can adjust really quickly. I'm, you know, anywhere you put me, I can like find something in common with somebody.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  I've had that luxury and that privilege of being raised around so many cultures and really appreciating all of them. But you know, when I was in Italy, I didn't know any of that. Like I didn't have Chinese food until like pretty late in life, you know? Cause I only wanted Italian food and that's all I was raised around. So you know, I'm, I'm very, I'm happy that I have both.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Did you, did you enjoy growing up in New York?

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I definitely enjoyed some things about it. Um, others, I don't know, like now in hindsight, I'm like, yeah, I enjoyed it. But while I was doing it, I fucking hated it.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Me too, I was miserable.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  I was miserable. I used to like Google, like, uh, homes in Hawaii and like high schools in Hawaii. Cause I would like, I was, I'm, I'm still like a huge like fantasizer, like I will just daydream all day long. And I would just like daydream about moving to Hawaii and like living on a horse farm. I don't even know if they have horse farms there. I might've just like made that up. Um, and that, you know, I, I just wanted to get out for some reason. I wanted to escape. I wanted to be, I had this calling to like be in nature and kind of live a really simple life. And I still to this day do that. Like I will fantasize like probably like once or twice a week.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Like no exaggeration, like today's the day I'm gonna fire everyone. I'm gonna quit and I'm gonna like buy an Airbnb in the middle of nowhere. And like just have a little bed and breakfast, have my farm animals, like make yogurt and, and just live that life.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  You owning a bed and breakfast would be sick.

• 12:21Speaker 03

  Right?

• 12:21Speaker 02

  That would be so sick.

• 12:23Speaker 03

  I kinda see that in the cards for me.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Also because like, I feel like owners of, uh, bed and breakfast like interact with all the guests.

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  So they'll like go down and get like talk with everyone. I feel you would love that.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  I'd make them breakfast. I'd be like, for an additional seventy-five dollars, you can get my chickens' eggs and my goat's milk.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  You should maybe do it as like a bit and see how it fares.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Right? I, that's the thing. I'm like, I, but cause I, I do that. Like I really romanticize the hell out of things and then I get there and I'm like, oh, okay.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  So I'd have to try it first to make sure.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  What is something you like romanticize, then you got there and you were like, uh, nevermind?

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Um.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  Marriage, men.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  I don't know. I did like go to Louisiana and then like decide to to live there and I did like love that. And I had romanticized that in my head and I did end up like, no, but then there was definitely a point like three months in where I was like, what the hell am I doing?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Wait, when did you live in Louisiana?

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Wow, I had no idea.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I lived on the bayou.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  It just cuz or?

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, pretty much. I just like, me and my bestie, R I P, she passed away. But I like picked her up in the middle of the night and no, I literally called her and I was like, I forgot what I said, but I was like, do you trust me? And she was like, no. And I was like, come on, do you trust me? And she was like, yeah. And I was like, okay, you have to come with me. And she was like, where? And I was like, don't ask questions, we're just going. And I picked her up in the middle of the night in like a broken down ass car that then eventually like just completely stopped working in the middle of Tennessee on a rainy, stormy night.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  And I just took her with me on this adventure and we ended up in Louisiana. And and we had some friends there. We had these two friends there. And then we just like got a house and a car and like ended up staying there and like lived this weird. It was just like a weird side quest. And then eventually we both came to.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  And we're like, never mind.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, like, okay, let's go home.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  That is.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Amazing. I like wish I had that same, I could have that same attitude. How old were you at the time?

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Twenty five.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Okay, that's how old I am now. And were you just in your era of you're like, I'll do whatever?

• 14:51Speaker 03

  You know, for such a long time, I had so many responsibilities. And then there came a point where I'd kind of lost everything and I was like, I'm free, you know? Like at first I was scared and I was like, oh my God, you know, like, how am I gonna support myself and whatever? But then at the same time, I was like, wait, like, I can just go, you know? And I got this urge and I just left. And then I ended up doing that for the next couple of years. Like I would literally wake up and be like, okay, I'm leaving. And I I always had cars cuz I'd find men to buy me cars all the time. I've gone through like twenty cars. Um, and I would just go and travel all over America and and cause for a long time I really was, you know, a European girl and I lived

• 15:34Speaker 03

  thinking it was New York, LA and like sometimes Miami and that was it. I didn't realize that this country is so vast and really, really beautiful. So many like national parks and, and like I said, I've always been really drawn to, to nature and wanting to feel just the simplicity of it and the like, the, the solitude, but in a, in a, a nice solitude.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  You know, especially when you grew up in New York, it's really claustrophobic.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  Beyond and you don't even realize it at the time.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  It, but the, the, the buildings, they're literally like

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  in on you, like you never see a sunset because the buildings are always blocking it and you know, you're never really alone.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  You know?

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Which is like a blessing and a curse.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. Like I feel, like I, I feel very safe in New York, you know?

• 16:21Speaker 02

  I never understood. I remember I used to live in the suburbs and when I was moving to New York, everyone was like, oh my, I'm so scared for you. And I was like, wait, and I was like 10. So I was like, wait, why? But then when I think about it, it's like, I was taking the subway at like age 11, 12 alone.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  Same.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  And like crazy, like I've had like weird encounters, but I was never like legitimately scared. One time this guy came up to me and was like, I'm gonna kill you. And I was like, I was 12 or I was 13 and I was like

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Peed your pants.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  And I was just standing there and he kept saying, I am going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. And I feel like anywhere else I'd be alone on the street and I'd be terrified that I would, but I was like.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  But did anyone else like say anything or step in to?

• 17:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 17:02Speaker 03

  That's the thing about New York. Like people really just like mind their own business.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Where'd you go to high school in New York?

• 17:07Speaker 03

  I actually went to like six or seven different high schools. So I went to Washington Irving, which was like, you know, metal detectors and like, yeah. Um, and then I went to, then I moved to Italy.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  And I went to two different schools there with the nuns. Then I came back and went to a Catholic school, a Catholic school in midtown, but only for like two weeks. Cause I wanted to wear pants and they were like, no, you need to wear a skirt. And I was like, deuces. And then I went to a school called East, East Side Community High School. And then I graduated from City As.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  So it was like all the time. Like I just didn't give a shit. I didn't care.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  You were never like a school person?

• 17:57Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, not at all. Like it was very an oppressive environment for me. I dreaded it.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Did you have any idea like what you wanted to do when you grew up or?

• 18:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were just like fuck it?

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  Like, you know what? It's like, I was so just like surviving the day.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Like I didn't even think about it, but weirdly, I kind of knew that I'd figure it out. You know, like I wasn't really that worried about the long term. I was more worried about the short term.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  That's like the New York mindset.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  Right, like.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Just making it to tomorrow.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:34Speaker 03

  Was like way more of a like issue.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Do you have like a favorite year that you spent in New York?

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Um, I definitely liked the, like the uh, early two thousands, like two thousand seven, two thousand eight, two thousand six. Like those years were so fun.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  What were they like?

• 18:54Speaker 03

  It was just like the clubs were really popping and it was, you know, we had cell phones, we had sidekicks, we had razors. But like, we didn't really have social media. Like we had MySpace, but you had to be at home to use it and same with Facebook. So we were really just, you know, all the dopamine hits that people get online, we were getting them out in the street. Like we just wanted to be out. We wanted to be talking to people. We wanted to, we wanted attention. Um, you know, now we can get attention just by never leaving our bedroom and posting online. But back then you really had to like go outside to make a name of your, of yourself. And I did that, you know, like everyone knew who I was in New York, even the police.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Like it was, everyone knew Julia Fox. And then I'd be like, I don't know why, why is there any know me? But I was like such an attention whore and I was always whiling out and I was always like fighting or like just getting on top of a car or like, you know, just doing crazy stuff like all the time. So, you know.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  That era was the best.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was. And you didn't have that fear of like, someone's gonna like, you know, video me and

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  and I'm gonna like, you know, whatever, it's gonna follow me forever. Like that was just not even a thing, a thought in the mind. So you just really felt like I could do anything right now.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  That's what I was about to ask. Like, do you think that killed party culture?

• 20:15Speaker 03

  A little bit.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  It's it's definitely not the same. I go to parties now and I'm. It's also it's just not as fun because everyone's coming up to me for a photo or like whatever, but like even when I do go incognito. It's just not really giving, you know what I mean? It's a lot of people like on their phones and like. It's you're not as present as as like we were like we were very present, very in the moment, very just like. You know, who's here, who's here like, you know, just like whatever, like looking for the next like dopamine hit. Whereas now you just don't really need it.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Videotape you out and.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  And you're always thinking about that. You must be, right?

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I also have this thing where it's like, I feel like I have to be nice to everyone because then it'll be like, I am a Julia Fox and she was a fucking bitch. You know, and it's like, oh, so it's just like. Then I go out and, you know, and it's fine. It's nice. I mean, you know what? I had this thought today and I was like thinking about Marilyn Monroe. And I was like, she was the most famous woman in the world and she died alone in a bed like with pills and alcohol. And it's like, people act like you're famous, you're so lucky, but it's like if the most famous woman in the world was like that miserable is like fame really all that? Great. And I wish that people could think in a more like nuanced way where fame really, yeah, it's great.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  It has a lot of very superficial perks, but ultimately it does like isolate you from your peers. You know, like even if you see famous people out in the wild, it's like head down, like, you know? And like, imagine if they just weren't famous and it's like a person with their head down like, you know, you'd be like, oh, you know, poor thing. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you just feel like a little disconnected from the rest of everyone. And I feel like a lot of famous people.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Are miserable. Myself included.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Do you think you were happier before fame?

• 22:20Speaker 03

  No, no, that's the thing. It's like I've always been depressed and miserable. So it's like, whatever. But I do sympathize with some others for sure. Cause I was watching Love Island beyond the villa. And they're all like, I missed my life before. And I was like, I get that. Like, I can see why, you know? I get that. Just you're just living on a smaller scale and not really worried too much about people liking you or how you're being perceived. And it just feels like a much more authentic existence, you know, and more real, more made up of like real things, like that things that actually have meaning. You know, your childhood friends, the love of your family, a career you're passionate about.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  You know, opposed to like doing spawn con and like going to like influencer parties, which is like, you know what I mean? So.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  I feel like also like with the Love Island people, like they, I mean, they were taken to like another level last year. That was like the, cause USA wasn't big until last year.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  They had no idea. Like they went on this show like, it's fine. No one's gonna watch it.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then everyone watched it. Do you watch Love Island?

• 23:26Speaker 03

  I do. Yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  What'd you think of this season?

• 23:29Speaker 03

  It, I mean, it wasn't giving last season. Let me tell you, but it still gave something. But I just, I was missing a little bit the vibe. You know what it was giving? It was giving that the people this season saw the impact of last season and were like, I want that too. Opposed to like genuinely wanting to find love and connection and and they think we're a little bit more aware of the cameras. It was giving a little more like polished prim. That's why Hoda, I think, resonated so much, even though she was so diabolical. At least she was real.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  She was real.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  For better or for worse, you know?

• 24:03Speaker 02

  We've all crashed out like that.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Like, are you kidding? Like, I've crashed out so bad.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  When?

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Like, literally the other night, like I.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Like over somebody?

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just like, I thought my friend was mad at me. And it's like, even then, you're just like, like, why the fuck are you mad? Like, you know, when you're drunk and you're defensive and like, do you take that without, and you're without your phone and your cameras are on you and you're like without your kid and you're like.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  On no sleep.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  On no sleep. Like, yeah.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  I heard like, when I found out they weren't letting them sleep, I was like.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't let the Love Island people sleep.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Like they'd be going to bed with the sun coming out and be like waking up like two hours later. Yeah, they all were talking about the not sleeping and I was like, this is why they need to unionize.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Like SAG would never.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Never.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  They need to figure it out over there in the reality sector because this is like, it's, it's feels inhumane. These are real people.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Weren't you for a second, didn't someone, wasn't there a rumor online that you were gonna join Rony?

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Yes, there was and ultimately I felt like I would ruin the show.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Dude, I think you would have demolished that show.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  No, you're wrong. Tell me why. Because Rony, okay, so there's three formulas. There's the, oh my God, I wish I could be them. Oh my God, thank God I'm not them and oh my God, I'm them. And Rony is, I wish I could be them because they're rich and they're extravagant and they're out of touch. And they're also, oh my God, thank God I'm not them. There's like a mixture of both. And I just feel like the, even though I loved all the girls on the reboot, it was a little too relatable, you know, like I want my crazy Sonjas and Countess Luanes and my Jill Zerans and just like, I want that and I'm not that, you know, like it just, and,

• 26:02Speaker 03

  and also it would ruin the show for me. I love watching the show and I wouldn't want to watch myself on the show. That sounds whack. Like, you know, I want, I just, it's such, it's such a like, I love that show so much. Like truly, like grew up watching it. Like I, I just, I'd rather preserve like what it was, once was, you know? And I would love if they could go back to the original formula, which worked really well. I definitely slid in Andy's DMs, like, please get them back on, you know?

• 26:33Speaker 02

  He must know at this point that they're so wanted back.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I told him and he read it. He left me unread. He knows for sure, but I don't know if they're going to.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  I, did you like watch Rony in real time, living in New York?

• 26:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Was it just like, this is the best thing of all time?

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was, it was really like, oh my God, I can't believe, like, you can't make this shit up. You know, it was better than any, like, any show ever. You know, all the like, the, I mean, when Aviva took her. Leg off, like it was just like, there's just so many of those moments when Luann fell in the bush. When Durinda was like, I made it nice. Like, there's just so many great, like, one liner, one liners that came out of that show. Like, just like amazing iconic moments that are just like steered onto my brain. And like, I just don't think that I could like, give that. Like, nobody can give that.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  You, but you could give some sick one liners.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  But it wouldn't be that, like.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  Do you think you'd ever do reality?

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe. I don't, I don't know, but maybe.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  If you like, woke up and were like.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Exactly. Like, literally if I woke up one day and I was like, alright, fine, like, I'll do it. But I, you know, I do, like, think reality TV, it can be a little toxic for the people that are on it.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Because it's not like a movie where there's like a differentiation. I am playing a character. I am not this person. And even then, actors get shit when they play horrible people. But, you know, with, with reality, people forget that these aren't like just characters on a show. These are like real people. And a lot of this is, you know, produced. And a lot of it is like, made up. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like scripted, but there are suggestions and there are, you know, like, they set up what's gonna happen and then you kind of just like riff.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 03

  So, I mean, I just don't know if like, that's really like, the road I want to go down. The hill I want to die on, rather.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you watch any other Housewife shows?

• 28:34Speaker 03

  Um, I love Beverly Hills. Um, I, I used to love Atlanta. I haven't got, like, I don't know, after Nene left, I was just kind of like, okay, well, there goes that. Um, but, but I'd pick it back up because they, they brought Phaedra back.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  I heard that.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love Phaedra, so I would pick that back up again. Potomac's really good. Um.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  You watch Salt Lake?

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Yes. That's the best one.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  That's the best one?

• 29:00Speaker 03

  It's the best one. I'm like, I can't believe I didn't say that one first. Obviously, that's the best one.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Okay, thoughts on Bronwyn?

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Babe.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  You like?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  I love.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  I don't like.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  I, I love because I think she's like a mastermind.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  And I want to know what she was arrested for.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  Wait, she was arrested?

• 29:21Speaker 03

  In San Francisco.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  When?

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Like, two years ago.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Is that like, was that?

• 29:26Speaker 03

  It's on the internet.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  It wasn't in last season?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  No, no, it came out after the season ended. They, they, they might speak about it this season. I don't, I feel bad even like mentioning it because like, Bronwyn, you're my girl, I love you, but I need to know the tea. I was arrested too, girl. It's fine. We're like, it happens to the best of us. Totally fine. Um, but I like, I just need the tea.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm curious.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  I.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  And also, what is it about Salt Lake that like attracts all these like criminal mastermind women?

• 29:54Speaker 02

  I don't know, but that to me is like such good television.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  Like, I'm like sat every week.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  You know what else is really good? The Mormon Wives. Have you watched that?

• 30:04Speaker 02

  No, because I'm so loyal to my Salt Lake girls.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  But it's like, I feel like there is a crossover there.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, but I feel like I'm gonna be comparing everything to Salt Lake.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  It's very different.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  It's very different. Like, these girls are Mormons, like capital M, and like that is a big part of.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Oh, like they're like?

• 30:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  They're like intense?

• 30:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  And they're like talking shit about people for breaking Mormon rules?

• 30:29Speaker 03

  A little bit, yeah.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm into that.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're, they have that for sure. And but the gag is they're all breaking them.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, like they're wild.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  That's what I feel like.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Like, they're more wild than like me and my friends. You know, like they're more wild than like.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  In what way?

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Like, just like, oh, but the thing is, they don't drink.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  What?

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't drink, but, but they still crash out like all the time, which is kind of like weird, but.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:59Speaker 03

  I don't know. It's like, you just have to watch it and let me know.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Okay, maybe I'll, maybe I'll give it a, because I'm rewatching Scandal. Have you ever seen Scandal?

• 31:05Speaker 03

  No, I know it's so good. I know it's good.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  No, no, no. And I, from what I can understand about you, what I know about you is that you will fall headfirst into the show.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  Okay, do you want to know what show you should start watching? The Hunting Wives.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Is it that good? Everyone's talking about it.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  What is so good about it? Someone from Scandal's in it.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  So basically, it's, the premise is like a liberal woman from like Boston who used to do like political PR.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Had some sort of accident and had to leave and then her husband got this job in Texas. So they all moved to Texas and it's her like acclimating to these very like Texan wives. And it's just, it's really just interesting, the, the dichotomy between the two because she thinks like, I'm liberal and I'm empowered, but really her husband like puts her down all the time and he doesn't let her drive and he doesn't let her drink and like, whereas these Republican women are, are like, they, they put up the facade that they're so amazing, God fearing women, but really they're like getting drunk and doing body shots and like fucking each other, but, it's all behind closed doors and very hush hush. So it, it is very interesting. I love that, but I, I, you just have to watch it.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Wait, this sounds amazing.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  No, it is amazing. It is amazing.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  I haven't been told everyone that you have to watch it. Not sold, not sold. That sold me.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  It's good. And there's a murder.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Ooh, okay. That makes it good. But you need, if I watch, you need to watch Scandal.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Okay, I will, I will, I will. Aren't there like nine frigging seasons?

• 32:33Speaker 02

  And you can like, but really the best season is season two. That's when it exploded like culturally.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  And you, you'll see why.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  What's your favorite show of all time?

• 32:42Speaker 03

  Desperate Housewives.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Me too. Well, not my favorite, but I love that show.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's such a good show.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  I love that show.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  What's your other favorite show? Or like your first favorite show?

• 32:50Speaker 02

  I love, Desperate Housewives was the first show I ever watched in full and finished.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  So like I remember Susan's last lap around with Styria Lane. Like I remember, right?

• 32:59Speaker 03

  After, after he passed away.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  I forgot about that. I remember my favorite season though was season two with the people in the basement. Do you remember that neighbor that had?

• 33:07Speaker 03

  The family when they came, yes. Yeah, that was like, like that shit could never be aired today.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Like this shit they were doing was so, like it would never get approved today.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  It didn't, remember what?

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Although I don't know, maybe it could now.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Didn't like Brie's son, like remember she like drove him somewhere and dropped him off?

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, she just like ditched him on the side of the house. She's like, you're not my son anymore.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause didn't he like fuck her boyfriend or something?

• 33:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yep, he did.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  My favorite shows of all time are Girls on HBO.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Girls, yes.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  The best. It just, it really finds you when you need it. And this show, do you like thrillers?

• 33:39Speaker 03

  I do.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Okay. Would you watch, you, you definitely like a foreign show with subtitles?

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Really?

• 33:49Speaker 02

  There's no way?

• 33:50Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't know.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  What if it's really good?

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Okay, shoot. What is it?

• 33:55Speaker 02

  It's called Dark.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  Okay, I've never heard of it.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  On Netflix. All you need to know is a little German boy goes missing in this little German town. And it becomes so mindfucky in ways that like you would never anticipate the show would go to.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  And this is your favorite show ever?

• 34:13Speaker 02

  I've seen it twice through. So I've seen six seasons of a German show.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  In German, because you can't watch it dubbed. There's no point.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  I know, it's, there's, the dubbing is so bad.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  And it doesn't matter.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it's weird. It's weird.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  It is one of the most, it's brilliant.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  Okay, I'll watch it.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  It's genuinely a brilliant, brilliant show.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Like, they would have had to like sit down at a board, like connect so many dots to make that plot.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Do they ever figure out like where this boy went?

• 34:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  And it is a not where you think.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Really?

• 34:48Speaker 02

  It is not where you think.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  It wasn't the parents?

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Like, I can't even begin to describe to you.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I wish I could watch that show for the first time again.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  I was sitting in COVID.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  When did it come out?

• 35:02Speaker 02

  I think it ended in 2020. It must have come out in like 2017, but I remember sitting during COVID.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  And how many seasons? Five?

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Three. It's a trilogy of seasons, 10 episodes each.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  And the end is so rewarding. I also just finished a show called Mr. Robot.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Oh, I've heard that. That's amazing.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Really good, but watch Dark first.

• 35:18Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, I'm gonna watch it.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  AI's legitimately fucked.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  AI's like, I don't use ChatGPT. I still hold back.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Really?

• 35:29Speaker 02

  I hold back. It scares the shit out of me.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  Okay, I use it.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  You do?

• 35:34Speaker 03

  I do.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  It scares me.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  I do, like, but like, I don't know if I use it like how other people use it.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  I'll like, like, my son had a staph infection and I took a picture of it and I put it in and I said, what is this rash? And it said, staph infection. And then I was like, okay, we're going to the doctor. So like, I only use it like, it's really life or death.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not. Using it like plan my day for me or like you know stuff like No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Kids are literally not going to learn.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  I know.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  It's the craziest thing and everyone's telling me like no AIs. It's like what Google was 20 years ago and I'm like.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Google 20 years ago was the pits like literally it was like you'd be on page 16 still looking for your answer. Like it was not at all what like it is today. No, you cannot compare the two.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Bugs me out.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  It may be it might be revolutionary in the same way, sort of, but it's totally different.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Have you ever been in a self-driving car?

• 36:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Neither have I. Do they? Does New York have Waymos?

• 36:35Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  That's what if you see a car.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  I've seen them here.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, they would they spin around on top.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  I've seen it. I've seen it here. No, New York is like, we're a little like stuck in our way. New York doesn't really love change that much, you know, it's we're not like it's not like California where like the tech advancements are like just all the time, you know, like we're, New York is a little more like archaic.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  It's also an older city, you know, it's a little more like scholarly, like studious and.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  I know, sometimes I really miss it.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Do you really though?

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do sometimes.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  Like what? What do you miss about it?

• 37:13Speaker 02

  I miss um not being at the mercy of a car. And like, cause I don't drive. I don't know how to drive.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Cause I grew up in New York and my parents are like Jewish, like erotic and like they're like, you can't drive, you can't drive, you can't drive. And I'm like, okay, cause then my dad's like.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  How do you get around here?

• 37:31Speaker 02

  I Uber everywhere.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  I know.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  That's like a lot.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  It's a lot. And you know, I mean, I've made it my own thing, you know, like I'm very grateful that I can afford to do it.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  And I'm also grateful that I've become friends with all of them.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  You know, all the local Ubers.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Literally all of them. We're all friends. They pick me up. Hey Jake.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Like, you know, we like text, we like, you know, I'm like, we can book out of the app if you want. They're like, there's sometimes.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's like, okay.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, sometimes they're like, yeah, and then sometimes.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  I'm not ready for that, bro. Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  But um yeah, I miss not being at the mercy of the car and things in LA close so early.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  They do.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  To go out.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Um, and they close at two AM here, last close at two AM, which is insane.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  I know, but that but that's why I feel like the house party is here or like you cannot like it's not the same like New York by like eleven thirty, they've called the cops like here, you can like rage till like eight, nine in the morning.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  But it's not, but still someone next door is gonna call the cops if it's too loud.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Whereas a nightclub in New York, it's loud until four.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  I'm, oh, and I, some, part of me misses apartment parties.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Really?

• 38:42Speaker 02

  I don't know, I li- I thought they were the coolest thing in the world when I was in high school.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, in high school, like it was just so very intimate.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  And you felt like so cool if you were invited and like, you know, but I do, I do, my two best friends literally moved out today, back to New York.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Really?

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was so depressing. They literally just moved out.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  That always happens though, like I feel like all the people, all of my friends I grew up with all live here and then like all my like LA friends like like all the friends I have now in New York are from LA, you know what I mean? Like they just flip flop all the time, like just in in search for happiness.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  I mean, the dating scene here is also just abysmal.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  But is it worse than New York?

• 39:23Speaker 02

  New York, I, when I go to New York, I have like dates lined up and it's like crazy.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  Really?

• 39:28Speaker 02

  Here it is.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Talk about the fucking pits. This is the bad place.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  But I feel like here is the place you come to like get married and get a dog and have kids and stuff.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  If you're like straight.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  Cis hetero, yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sure. It's great for them.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  I get that, but I still like do love it here though.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  I love that life more than.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Cause it's like here you can just kind of like exist in a little bubble and like move around in your bubble. Whereas like New York, it's just harder, like everything is harder, you know, like even grocery shopping is harder cause I need to walk back with all the heavy ass bags. Like here it's like just throw them in your trunk, you know, like little things like that, it it adds up for sure. Like I feel like the quality of life might be a little bit better here.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  It is.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  It is.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  It is.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  You're right. You're right.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  It is.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  I I think maybe, I don't know. I think I'm I think I romanticized places I'm not at anymore.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Cause like, growing up in New York, I was fucking miserable. Like those January to March. Like.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  So hard.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Darkest days of my life.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  All New Yorkers have like vitamin D deficiency, like we're all like clinically depressed. It's it's a lot.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  And then it's like the summer is like too hot to even be outside. It's like literally tropical. It was reclassified as like a tropical zone. Yeah.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  When?

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Like this year. I'm pretty sure.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Cause it's so fucking humid?

• 40:53Speaker 03

  It's gotten to that level where it's like.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  It's like Puerto Rico in there. It's like hot, hot.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  I mean, I haven't been there this summer, but I heard it's bad.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's rough. It's really rough.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  And then do you do you remember like when you used to take the train when like you'd get on a car?

• 41:08Speaker 03

  And the AC is broken?

• 41:09Speaker 02

  And the AC is broken and the doors close?

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Well, I was just standing in the middle. I'd stand in the middle of the two cars to get catch a breeze.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Oh, you would like outside of the train?

• 41:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, like you know the spot connecting? Yeah, I would just go and stand there and.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  I was so scared of doing that.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Really? No, I loved. Me and my friends would do that. We'd like smoke joints in there and like, yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  We were crazy. We'd like run on the tracks and subway surf and like be so crazy on the trains.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  What do you mean subway surf?

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Like climb on it on the top.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  On the top?

• 41:38Speaker 03

  Like from that little nook, you can climb up to the top.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  And you're not scared? You weren't? You were just like?

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Babe, our frontal lobe was very much undeveloped. Like, we did not give a shit.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  Oh, my god, that's.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  It's fun.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  It sounds really fun.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  You've never done the thing when you're speeding in a car and then you climb out one window, climb the top and go back in on the other side?

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Never.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  That's really fun.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Was it like?

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  And is it like the adrenaline? Like, is it like?

• 42:11Speaker 03

  It's an adrenaline thing for sure. Yeah. It's a like, oh, my god, there's a high chance I might die. You know?

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  Feeling ever.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  What's the craziest thing like that like you've ever done?

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Um.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  I have this boyfriend and he loved like climbing bridges and stuff. And one time we did it together and we climbed the, I think it was the Williamsburg Bridge. And we like climbed up to the top.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  What?

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was actually really romantic.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Were you like scared?

• 42:49Speaker 03

  I mean, he's gross, but like, it was cool. I like was scared, but I was never gonna show him that I was scared.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  I was like, you know, I got this.

• 42:58Speaker 02

  What's your star sign?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Aquarius.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Okay. I feel like I don't know much about Aquarius. I'm a Scorpio.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  Really? You don't have a lot of Aquarius friends? I feel like I'm like always like this with Scorpios.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  My friends are like Pisces, Leo, Virgo.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Pisces, Leo, Virgo.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Okay, interesting.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  And I have one best friend that's a Capricorn.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  And that's like, that's about it.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  But I like, I get, I get on really well with Pisces women.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  Really?

• 43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, Pisces women are like my favorite people in the world.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  Well, that makes sense. Pisces and Scorpio, both very like emotional and like, yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  What's your rising and moon?

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Um, my rising is Cancer and my moon is Taurus.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  I love Taurus. My mom's a Taurus.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel like that's my like grounded energy.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Where I like to be at home. I like to have nice things. Like I like good food. Like I just like-

• 43:54Speaker 02

  You wanna open up a bed and breakfast?

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Like very, very like Taurus. And then my Cancer, I think is like my creativity and uh my more like nostalgic, emotional, like motherly nurturing side. And then my Aquarius side is just like, like where all the crazy stuff comes in, I guess.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  I feel like Aquarius is like our party.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Well, we're just very like future thinkers, big picture. Like I don't really harp on like little stuff. I like really look at the bigger picture, like what it all means and like, you know, I feel like I have a pretty good gra- I'm a good problem solver and I'm, I can be very like rational, like- Like to the point where sometimes I'm like, feelings are irrelevant. Like, let's look at the facts here, you know? Instead, so I always say like, facts before feelings. And a lot of people don't like that, but I find comfort in like, the truth.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Like, do you think, well, people on the internet do feelings before facts these days? I feel like it's all about.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, how it made me feel, it offended me and blah, blah, blah, yeah.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Cause that's like, you know, the mind, that's like, it's crazy. It's crazy. Do you wanna get into the tell me what's wrongs?

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  These are where the pussies write in and they tell us what's wrong and we give them advice.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  I feel like you're gonna be nothing short of excellent at this.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  I love it. Actually, I was just thinking about like, how, like, so, like, all the time people come up to me and like, ask me for advice. And then I'm like, alright, here we go. And I just like, give them the, like, advice and then I'm like, what if I just like, derailed their whole entire lives? And they're like, that Julia Fox, she told me to quit my job and follow my dreams and now I'm broke and homeless. Like, I don't know, but I'm gonna do my best.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  My husband has had horrible breath lately. Right as I was about to bring it up, he told me I have bad breath, which I don't. What do I do?

• 45:50Speaker 03

  What a master gaslighter. Also, how did he read her mind?

• 45:54Speaker 02

  He did.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  Um, I would just say, like, divorce.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  That's a huge deal breaker for me.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Bad breath.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, bad breath and stinky feet.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Oh, well, you literally, right before we sat down, you put like, a minty tab in. Oh, no, those were contacts.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  No, I put my contacts.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  I fell asleep in the makeup chair today and when I woke up, there was like, like, eyeliner on my contacts. And I literally drove here like, blinded. And so I had to, you know, handle that really quickly.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  My ex broke up with me on the phone while I was at work. It was completely out of the blue. I thought he was my forever person and we had planned to try long distance. He spent a week with his mom and then dumped me. Did she convince him? What do I do now?

• 46:37Speaker 03

  Wow, honestly, you dodged a bullet, babe. It's giving weird incestuous emotional incest over there. Like, if he's, like, if he's gonna let his mom get to his head now, he's gonna do that for the rest of your life.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Have you ever dated someone like that?

• 46:56Speaker 03

  No. No, and also like I love like grownups. Like I always got along with grownups. So like everyone's parents always loved me until like the breakup. And then they were like, yeah.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  What's like the craziest thing you've done in like a breakup?

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  That you can say?

• 47:14Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, definitely like, there are some things I like actually can't say. But I will say like the fun stuff like I, I remember I was like so mad at one of my exes. So I climbed through his fire escape and like, like damaged little things around the house. Like, like, you know, like the old like iPhone charger, how it was like long and it, and the wires would always poke out. I like pulled out those wires so that when he would go charge his phone at night, it like wouldn't charge. I threw away his favorite pants. Um, I dumped out all his beers and put the empty cans back in the fridge. Like, just like diabolical stuff, like stuff that like is little, but it adds up. You know?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  You'll lose your mind.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Exactly. Like you might even kill yourself. Yeah, exactly.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  That's awesome. Every time my friend talks about her new boyfriend, she says, he's literally just like my dad. And I don't know how to tell her that's not the win she thinks it is.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  I feel like it's not.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  I feel like we need to know a little bit more about her dad though. Because also like, like a lot of women go for men that remind them of their dad. You know what I mean? Like it's, and, and boys do the same with, with women, you know? They look for the, the model image of, you know, what that looks like. And it's usually the mom, but um, you know, it's, I think it's healthy to a degree, you know? Like, like everything else. I, it, it, yeah. I think we just need to know like more about her dad to really give an answer about that.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Just because this is reminding me, when you said you used to get guys to buy you cars. How did that, just like for, how did that work? Like, how did you get them to buy you cars?

• 48:56Speaker 03

  I would like send them links of the car I wanted.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  And they would just.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Buy you the car?

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Where'd you find them?

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Um, so like toward, as I got older, the cars got shittier, obviously. Um, but like, you know, in the beginning, it was the dealership. And then toward the end, it was like, hey, I found this on Craigslist.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  No, but where did you find these guys?

• 49:18Speaker 03

  Oh, just, you know, New York, going out.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  A lot of them would just like slide in my DM or like want to person, like the moment I knew I'd hooked one, it was like, all right, let's go. Yeah. Game time, like, let's see what I can, and a lot of them just want to show off, you know, like, like, yeah, I can do this for you, you know, it's like, they like it just as much as I like receiving it. It's not like, cause they're gonna be like, gold digger, gold digger. It's like, no, no, no, they, they get such a thrill from doing it too. Like, they love to be like the guy that just like bought a car for a girl, you know, like, it's like, it's an ego boost for them too. So, that's why I always tell women, like, just ask, like, ask, because.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  The worst they can do is say no.

• 49:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause a lot of these guys, it's like, you know, it's, it's gift giving out of ego, out of like, you know, you know, it's whatever. It's not like the selfless act of, you know what I mean? It's not giving that at all.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  What's like the craziest thing you've gotten some, a guy to like buy you?

• 50:11Speaker 03

  I mean, I've definitely gotten a lot of really, you know, most of it is like, you know, cars, clothing. I never got like a house out of a guy, which is like, was like, always kind of the goal, but now I've let it go. It's fine. Like, I can do that for myself. It's okay. Um, but probably, probably like Birkins?

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've gotten like three guys to get me Birkins, so.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  That, that's a fucking win.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  It is.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  That's a win.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  It like is.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  That is a win.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Oh, congratulations.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's a good investment. I would recommend that you try to get guys to get them for you because it's, it's something, like, I remember when, when I like lost everything and whatever, like, I could sell one of my Birkins and that held me over for like six months.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  So, it's like, it's just a good place to like park some money and it'll appreciate in value, unlike a lot of other bags. So, it's a great, great investment.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  I've been single for 27 years. I'm 27.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Wow, winning.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  I've lived through all my friends' relationships and I'm starting to feel like I'll never find love. What do I do?

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Again, like, it's, it's hard, cause it's like, I don't know this girl. It's like, a part, or a guy, is it a girl or a guy? Do we even know? Yeah, I mean, I would say like you're on a winning streak and just ride it out, you know, but I do understand like wanting.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  So lonely.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, and and you just have to put yourself out there.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  It's so hard sometimes.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  It's so hard. I get it. I get like, I'm so glad that I like already have a child and like I don't have to like worry about meeting a man so I can like have a child anymore. Cause it was just like so hard. Like these men out here are such trash. The bar is so low. But I would try um men from other countries. Yeah, there's some good ones out there in other countries.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  I think the issue with dating today is like we're so we cause when you see people get like judged online so intensely, like you're obviously gonna internalize it and be like, well, so I'm gonna get like, you know, you judge yourself just as hard. It does that make sense? Like if you see like people get, cause I feel like we live in this culture where.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  You absorb that.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Only like.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Absorb that lens.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Right, like only in the in the two thousands, it was like the main people that got made fun of were like celebrities.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Real, real celebrities. Everybody.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Everyone's a target. So how can you not internalize that and be like, oh, I'd make fun of me if I saw me someone do that.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  I think you just have to like let that go.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like realize that like it's gonna happen. Like I promise you, Jake Shane, like one day you're gonna do something and they're gonna turn on you. And then you know what? No, babe, but I'm telling you. Then it happened. And you're like liberated of that fear and then you can just go and be yourself because it's like everyone bounces back. If you're like an actual good person, like you bounce back.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? But like it's gonna happen. Like someone's gonna be ticked off. It'll probably won't be big, but like it'll happen. Like you're gonna piss somebody off and they're gonna go online and make a super self righteous video about it. And they're gonna use big words and sound really intelligent and all the idiots are gonna be like, mm hmm, mm hmm, mm hmm, you know, and and eat it up because you're gonna be super successful. And they're gonna wanna tear you down the same way they built you up. But once it happens, it's so liberating because you don't have that looming fear anymore. Like when is it gonna happen? When is it gonna happen? It's it's like ripping the Band-Aid off and then you're like, you're free. Like it happened and you lived and you survived. And not only that, you bounced back. So you know in your mind that you can do that again if it ever, you know what I mean? It's like you you did it. You survived it.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  If when the do you remember like the first time someone got mad at you online and?

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Did it? What did it feel like?

• 53:48Speaker 03

  There was like this mascara trend where mascara meant penis.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 53:53Speaker 03

  Some guy was like, I lent my girl, I lent this girl my mascara and she lent it to someone else. And I wrote under like, oh boo hoo or something like whatever. And, and apparently the mascara was code word for penis.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Understood, understood.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  So it's always, it's gonna happen, even when you actually didn't do anything wrong or like it was a mistake or a slip up or it was innocent, people are still gonna find the problem. So it's like, you know, at a certain point, you just have to let it go. You have to surrender. Who gives a shit what anybody thinks about you?

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Did you used to like be so scared of it until?

• 54:28Speaker 03

  I was so scared of it happening because I would always see other people going through it. And then once it happened, I was like, oh, like, okay, like I lived and like I lived, like I, you know, went on with my day. Like just didn't go on TikTok for the day, you know, and then it's over.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  And then the new cycle ends.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Exactly. So it's like, you just move on, you know?

• 54:48Speaker 02

  I needed to hear that today.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  I think about it, it consumes me.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  I would say also stop thinking about it because you like low key manifest your fears.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I know.

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  But it's fine. Like it, it happens and you survive and now I wear a shirt that says canceled twice.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Ooh, that's awesome.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  And I love it. And I have another shirt that says like canceled adjacent and I love it. I feel like such a baddie in it.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I feel like it's like.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  It's like a badge of honor. It's like, yeah, I went through that shit.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Came out stronger. You're not gonna break me.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  At this point though, it's like the people canceling these people are like, justice fucking bad.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  It's like gnarly.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Like the shit that they do.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  It is. It feels like a weird dictatorship where we like oppress each other.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  It feels like the Salem witch trials. It's like everyone's like you.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  And it's always a woman or like a person of color or a queer person, you know? It's crazy.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  It's insane. It's like, yeah, men do not, I don't think.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  Not in the same way.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever seen.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  I mean, I have, but it's, it's not.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  For like horrendous things.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  It's not in the same way. Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Right. I'm in a group chat where everyone roasts their exes and talk a bunch of shit about mine, but they don't know that we just got back together.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  That's why like you really, as much as like I want to say like, you know, talk to your friends about your relationship. It's like, it's hard because then like on both ends, like. Someone once told me like, never get involved in someone's relationship.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  That's what my mom says.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  They get back together and then you're the bad guy and it's really fucking awkward. And I've made that mistake so many times.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  And also as the friend, you're like so tired of hearing about it and you're like offering solution. And then they get back together and you're like, the fuck? You know what I mean? It's like both, both sides.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  It's better to just stay out of it and like, you know?

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Just take the L's, like let them know, it's fine.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Well, Julia, what did we learn today?

• 56:55Speaker 03

  A lot of TV shows, though.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  We did.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, watching TV is so fun.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  It's the best thing in the entire world. I think I learned that, um, like, maybe I'm more resilient than I think I am.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  From your advice that you gave me.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, but yeah, no, I think, I think we, humans are like, and like, we've literally made it here. Against all odds, like, we're here, like, humans are so resilient, like, way more than we give ourselves. We're literally built to heal, like, we get a cut and immediately our body starts healing and like, you just don't underestimate how powerful and strong you are.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  I'm gonna take that with me.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Also, finally, before I let you go, you are in the new movie, Him.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Which looks amazing, it's executive produced by Jordan Peele.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  But I actually went to my high school.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  You're joking.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  I swear, he was like the first celebrity I ever met.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  He's from New York.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he went to the school called Calhoun.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know Calhoun.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  That's where I went.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  The big TV school and he went and he spoke to, well, besides that, how was it, what was it like filming?

• 58:00Speaker 03

  It was amazing. We filmed in New Mexico last year and they let me keep my bleached eyebrows. And there was a lot of blood. I mean, I'd always wanted to do kind of like a horror movie and I always obviously loved Jordan Peele. And so when they, you know, offered the part to me, I was like, Thank you, Jesus.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  And so if I love New Mexico, I actually spent all the money I made on that film and bought like this yurt in the middle of the desert out there.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  What's a yurt?

• 58:30Speaker 03

  It's like a hexagonal house.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Cause I just loved being out there so much. There's a really, it's like the land of enchantment and it really feels that way. Like you feel so grounded to the earth and there's something so like magical and mystical about New Mexico. And anyway, back to the movie. Yeah, it's coming out in theaters in September, so come see me.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  I'm so excited for you. You love acting.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  I do. I do. I'm like good at it.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  You're great at it.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  You're great. I, I, you're, yeah, like, did you, I read that you had no idea you could do it until you literally got the part on The Gems.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  Until I tried, yeah. But you know what? Growing up, everyone around me, like my closest friends and family always told me like, you should be an actress, you should be an actress. But I just never thought like someone like me could do that. It just felt like such a glamorous kind of, you know, like too far, you know, out of my grasp. And, and so when it happened, it just really felt like, oh my God, like they were right. And I was like underestimating myself. So, and, and I love it. And I don't think I got like taken seriously as an actress, like cause I'm me, you know, and whatever. I guess I'm like weird, but I'm a good actress.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  You're a great actress.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Are you, like, are you excited to like, has it been the most rewarding? Like, cause you've had so many different side quests. Has it been the most rewarding?

• 59:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Aside from writing my book.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  Which was really hard, having a child.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Like being, and also what I love the most about acting is like the escapism factor. Like I don't do drugs anymore, but I do love escaping myself. And so when I can, you know, play a part and become a different person, I like really commit to the bit.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Like I really become her. And, and it's, it's so like freeing. Like I like long for it. I crave it, like truly. And.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm, I'm excited to just do more of that.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you definitely will. Congratulations. I'm so excited to see it.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  And thank you for coming on the show.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me. I know.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  I could listen to you talk all day.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  I know, same. I like watch all your videos on TikTok. You're so funny. I love you.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  I only have this because of you. I'll never forget it.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  I know. I always say, every time they used to ask me, like, well, how did you, like, well, Julia Fox posted, she would just do these, people would comment and she would do it and...

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  But how, how did you translate that? Like, how did you, did you start doing that?

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  I just said, comment something you want me to act out. And I, my caption, I think it was literally, I saw Julia Fox do this and I wanted to do it.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  And, um, it changed my life.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  I love that so much. That's like that butterfly effect.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Trend.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Because it's crazy.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  It changed my life.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  Oh, good.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Do you want to give a little bye pussies?

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Bye pussy. Wait, which camera? This one? Bye pussy. Thanks for tuning in. Love you.