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0:40 Speaker 01 Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapuss. Tonight, we have on Audrey Hobart, who just released my favorite debut album of the year so far, Who's the Clown? I saw someone on TikTok say this, but it was like, it's everything you think and don't say out loud. She like wrote it down and sang it in a really like melodic catchy pop song, which is just like my favorite type of music. I just really love the album. So I'm super like grateful that I was able to like talk to her about like a piece of work that I really, really, really love. And we also got along so well. She's so awesome. To submit Tell Me What's Wrong, go to passthatpuss.com and click Tell Me What's Wrong. Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Enjoy the episode pussies.
1:23 Speaker 01 Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapuss. Her new album, or her debut album, Who's the Clown, comes out August 15th. We have the queen Audrey Hobart here.
1:32 Speaker 02 Oh my God, Jake.
1:33 Speaker 01 Oh my God.
1:34 Speaker 02 Jake, wait, we just like, we were just chatting till the cows came home and now here we are, we're still gonna chat.
1:39 Speaker 01 We're still gonna chat. I'm so excited you're here, I'm such a big fan.
1:43 Speaker 02 Okay, well, I'm such a big fan. And also, this is my first podcast and I feel like I'm on the Cadillac of podcasts. I can't, yeah.
1:49 Speaker 01 What?
1:49 Speaker 02 The Cadillac of podcasts. You have the Cadillac of podcasts.
1:52 Speaker 01 Thank you so much.
1:54 Speaker 02 Yes, no, you do, and you know it.
1:56 Speaker 01 No.
1:57 Speaker 02 And I don't say that because you're seeming like you are full of yourself. But I just had to say, I love your podcast.
2:04 Speaker 01 Thank you, I love your album.
2:06 Speaker 02 Thank you.
2:06 Speaker 01 It's amazing, I'm so happy. The best feelings when you say to someone, this is my favorite song, and they're like, and that's actually the lead single.
2:13 Speaker 02 That's the lead single, yeah.
2:14 Speaker 01 And my favorite is Thirst Trap.
2:15 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, Thirst Trap. You, I, yeah, just today turned in the video.
2:22 Speaker 01 And what's the video like?
2:23 Speaker 02 The video is like, basically, okay, so... Usually, Thirst Trap was not my choice for album single.
2:30 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:31 Speaker 02 Um, but my label was like, yeah, this is the one. And in, I basically, cause when I was writing it, I didn't finish it for months. Um, I was sort of whatever about it. I wrote it at home on the guitar. Um, and then when we produced it out and when I properly vocally recorded it, it was like, hell yeah. And everyone was like, hell yeah. And now I'm like, hell yeah. But for songs like Sumi and Bowling Alley, like I had videos in my head.
2:53 Speaker 01 Right.
2:54 Speaker 02 For those songs, which is, it was like, sort of partially why they were picked as single, in my head, picked as singles. And then Thirst Trap, I had no video idea. So I would just take walks around the reservoir and sort of just like, come up with stuff. And so it's just, I don't even know how to describe it. There's green screen stuff. And then I also, I reference, um, a scene in Bet on It, or from High School Musical 2.
3:18 Speaker 01 That's awesome.
3:19 Speaker 02 Okay, so you know, when he like comes clamoring down the rocks?
3:23 Speaker 01 Really fast?
3:23 Speaker 02 Yes. And then he is, it's no good at all to see yourself and not recognize he's singing to a body of water. And then on the line, your face, it's his reflection in the water, but it's really poorly done. I do exactly that.
3:35 Speaker 01 That is awesome. I'm excited to see it.
3:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:38 Speaker 01 Are you excited for the album to come out?
3:40 Speaker 02 Yes, I've been waiting for this moment. I, I, yeah.
3:43 Speaker 01 No, please.
3:43 Speaker 02 No, no, I just, I don't have like the thing where I'm nervous. Like I don't, I don't, I have nothing to lose. And I feel like I'm just, you know, I, I'm grateful that anyone cares at all. And also I'm like, let's, I want the ears of the world. I want the ears of the world.
4:00 Speaker 01 Right.
4:01 Speaker 02 I don't know why. I mean, of course I do.
4:03 Speaker 01 Ears of the world as in like you want people to like, give you notes? Or you want everyone to listen?
4:08 Speaker 02 I don't want any notes. Also, it's over, like, I mean, I guess, you know, Phoebe Bridgers does that. She like changes lines.
4:15 Speaker 01 Does she really?
4:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, when she performs, um, Scott Street, she does a, the line in the recorded version is, um,
4:24 Speaker 02 Something about like, uh, they're all getting married.
4:28 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
4:28 Speaker 02 And what about the band?
4:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:30 Speaker 02 They're all getting married and when she performs it live, she says, um, they're all having babies.
4:34 Speaker 01 Interesting.
4:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:35 Speaker 01 I did not know that.
4:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I'm like, I wonder why, you know, she changes that line. So I guess I could take notes and change lines, but I really don't want to hear it.
4:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:43 Speaker 02 I don't want to hear it.
4:44 Speaker 01 Wait, but I had no idea that you, I for some reason thought you'd been pursuing music forever, but you like were in writers' rooms for television.
4:52 Speaker 02 Yes, yeah, I mean, I was in one writer's room. Um, I went to college for screenwriting. I did theater growing up. I wa- I, I, theater kid, I feel like implies a really annoying person. And perhaps I was, you don't think so?
5:08 Speaker 01 No, maybe it's because I like semi was one.
5:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I feel like I semi was one.
5:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:13 Speaker 02 Did you do?
5:13 Speaker 01 I, on and off with it.
5:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, like in school.
5:16 Speaker 01 In school, I wasn't like every year.
5:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, you weren't every year, so like if you saw a show that you were interested in, you thought maybe I could have a part in it, then you'd do it, or what made you do it?
5:24 Speaker 01 I think it was like, I don't know what, I did it once when I was in eighth grade and then my senior year.
5:29 Speaker 02 Okay.
5:30 Speaker 01 And then I did it when I was in sixth grade.
5:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:32 Speaker 01 So I don't think I was a theater kid.
5:34 Speaker 02 Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, so, but you love theater.
5:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, love it.
5:38 Speaker 02 Okay. I do too, but I, I feel like, I don't know, I don't know like every song in Hades Town, and I don't know.
5:45 Speaker 01 I don't even know what that is. Like.
5:47 Speaker 02 You don't know Hades Town?
5:48 Speaker 01 Oh, is that the one that's spelled Hades Town?
5:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:51 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
5:52 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm. Um. Uh, but yeah, yeah, I was like theater kid. I was a theater kid. I did all the theater, like we did Spring Awakening my senior year. I really should have gotten Vendla. Didn't get it, everyone was kind of like, you're gonna get it, and I didn't get it. And it's actually funny, me and my brother Malcolm, like I'm one of four kids, so I'm the oldest.
6:14 Speaker 01 Uh-huh.
6:14 Speaker 02 We all did theater. Um, and my brother Malcolm is a musician as well, and him and I were the only two kids in my family who never got the lead, and that's to me why him and I are pursuing this.
6:26 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
6:27 Speaker 02 It's like, because I never got the lead. So now here is, is me getting the lead. Um, and yeah, I always sang, I always da- I was like a big dancer, that was like my main thing.
6:37 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
6:38 Speaker 02 Um, and then, but then in high school, I sort of was like. Getting into movies, getting in TV, I wrote a lot in my free time and I identified as somebody who was a writer and behind the scenes because I just in my head was like, it is so chic to not want to be in front of the camera or the lead. It's like, you know, so I, I applied to NYU, got in, went for screenwriting, loved it. Covid happened my junior year halfway through, like directly after my 21st birthday party, which was like the greatest night of my life. Everybody came to the party. Everyone showed up for me. And then world shut down. I brought home a duffel because I thought it was spring
7:23 Speaker 02 break. I mean, we've all been there. And then, yeah, I started, I like did Covid and then started working in a restaurant and then I
7:34 Speaker 01 What restaurant?
7:35 Speaker 02 Jelena.
7:36 Speaker 01 No way. That used to be my favorite restaurant.
7:39 Speaker 02 Really? Okay, wait, you don't go anymore?
7:40 Speaker 01 Well, I used to go like when I was a kid with my parents all the time.
7:45 Speaker 02 Oh, wait, you grew up here?
7:46 Speaker 01 No, but I would spend all my summers here. Like, I would like, do you know the camp, Fitness by the Sea?
7:51 Speaker 02 Oh, bitch, I went to Fitness by the Sea.
7:53 Speaker 01 Was it?
7:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:54 Speaker 01 What house, what like little thing you were you in?
7:56 Speaker 02 I couldn't remember, but in my head, it's octopus and that might just be because
7:59 Speaker 01 Were you an eel with widget?
8:01 Speaker 02 No. Should I have been?
8:04 Speaker 01 No, I just like, that's the vibe I got.
8:06 Speaker 02 You were an eel with widget and you remember that?
8:07 Speaker 01 No, I was in, um, there was the sharks, the eels.
8:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, yes.
8:11 Speaker 01 I guess.
8:12 Speaker 02 You know what, though, I remember Fitness by the Sea was the counselors, to me, felt so old. In reality, they're probably 14.
8:18 Speaker 01 Yes.
8:18 Speaker 02 But I remember trying to suss out who had chemistry of the counselors and I was always just like, I think he likes her and I think they have a thing and I think they've probably kissed. And I also remember being like watched when we were in the water and not being able to go past a certain point and me being like, I want to swim free, like.
8:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, and then the blue rash guard.
8:38 Speaker 02 And the blue rash guard, of course. And I loved Fitness by the Sea.
8:40 Speaker 01 Same, so much. I must have gone for like five years.
8:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, I woke up every morning and I was like, let's go.
8:46 Speaker 01 Did you, do you remember any of the counselors?
8:48 Speaker 02 No, no, no. But that was like, I never went to sleepaway camp. But I did day camps like that.
8:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:55 Speaker 02 Like tennis camp, whatever. Yeah, but, oh my god, Fitness by the Sea. And then something popped up called Sandy Days.
9:00 Speaker 01 Of course, and that was their main competitor.
9:02 Speaker 02 Yes.
9:02 Speaker 01 And Sandy Days was down the road.
9:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, and they did yellow, yeah.
9:06 Speaker 01 And it was always like war between them.
9:08 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, and I just remember feeling like Fitness by the Sea was the like, main brand, and then Sandy Days was off-brand.
9:16 Speaker 01 A hundred percent.
9:18 Speaker 02 Yes.
9:18 Speaker 01 It's like poppy and Ollie Pop.
9:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, whoa, yeah.
9:21 Speaker 01 You know?
9:22 Speaker 02 Because I've never had Ollie Pop.
9:23 Speaker 01 Same, never.
9:23 Speaker 02 But I've had a lot of poppy.
9:24 Speaker 01 Oh, so much poppy.
9:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, orange.
9:26 Speaker 01 But you're always hearing like, well, it's between them.
9:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I hear good things about Ollie Pop. Yeah, I don't want to like bar myself off from maybe a brand deal one day.
9:37 Speaker 01 But you, you worked at Jelena.
9:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, worked at Jelena, did that for six, eight months, six to eight months. Really crazy time because it was masks up. Yeah, and then I took a week vacation and that one week was when the mask mandate was briefly lifted. And everyone at work saw each other for the first time. And then I came back and the mask mandate was back, so it's actually interesting, like I go back to Jelena and I know some people there.
10:02 Speaker 01 Right.
10:02 Speaker 02 But I usually like to go and kind of not be acknowledged by the people I once worked with, but nobody recognizes anybody because we were all in masks.
10:10 Speaker 01 Do you remember when you would like take someone from like the hostess stand to their table and they would have to wear a mask from the hostess stand to the table?
10:17 Speaker 02 To the table, yes.
10:18 Speaker 01 And then they could take the mask off?
10:19 Speaker 02 Yes, yes.
10:19 Speaker 01 The rules were insane.
10:20 Speaker 02 The rules were insane, oh my god, no, I think once a week I sort of, if I'm in a grocery store or anywhere, I, I am like, I have a moment of being so grateful that that time is over.
10:30 Speaker 01 Right.
10:30 Speaker 02 Like, I was on a plane the other day and I was looking around all these faces and I was like, it was, it was miserable.
10:36 Speaker 01 Misery. I remember the first time, I, so I flew home, or no, I flew back to LA to live in my college apartment because I was like, I can't be in New York anymore. And they up, the plane upgraded me to first class. I never flew in first class before because they had to keep people separate. I couldn't even enjoy it because I had gloves on, a mask on, and a hoodie, and my hands were so sweaty and I was, and I just remember being so miserable in first class.
11:01 Speaker 02 We both flew back, flew, okay, yeah. March 13th, I flew to LA from New York and my mom, the few days prior was like, "Get a mask, get a mask." And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And then I did like on the 12th, go try and find a mask, obviously sold out. But yeah, I remember being on that plane and I actually ran, there was someone else on that plane who was from my theater program at high, at high school and he sat next to me and he told me a very devastating thing that I won't repeat. But, yeah.
11:27 Speaker 01 Oh god.
11:27 Speaker 02 Okay, I flew first class for the first time, uh, last December.
11:30 Speaker 01 How amazing.
11:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was the best part of the trip.
11:33 Speaker 01 Right?
11:33 Speaker 02 Yes, I kept, I kept waking up, I was in and out of sleep and I, every time I woke up, I thought, "I want to live on this plane."
11:38 Speaker 01 Right?
11:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:39 Speaker 01 What airline?
11:40 Speaker 02 Um, Delta.
11:41 Speaker 01 Delta one?
11:42 Speaker 02 Which is just the best. Delta one, yes. I actually, I, I recently became silver, silver medallion.
11:46 Speaker 01 Congratulations!
11:48 Speaker 02 Yes, I'm sure you're diamond.
11:49 Speaker 01 No, I'm about to be though.
11:50 Speaker 02 Really?
11:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm so excited.
11:52 Speaker 02 Okay, that is huge, because what happens, okay, and then I was in the Delta Lounge for the very first time, just a month ago.
11:57 Speaker 01 Which Delta, the Delta Lounge or the Delta One Lounge?
11:59 Speaker 02 The Delta, which one is better? Delta One Lounge?
12:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:02 Speaker 02 I was in the one where it's like special entrance through LA.
12:04 Speaker 01 Yes!
12:05 Speaker 02 Yes, what the fuck?
12:06 Speaker 01 It's like you're flying private.
12:07 Speaker 02 Yes, it's, it's like you're, and then you get in there and it's like a spa, a buffet, and I-
12:12 Speaker 01 A restaurant?
12:13 Speaker 02 A restaurant, everyone there is like, sort of like, looking at you and looking away. And, and I was, I, I was in there with my mom and my sister and I was like, "You could just lose track in a time of, like, in a place like this, you could lose track of time in a place like this." And I was thinking about it and like, being in an airport, it's like, you're never gonna miss that flight, because you're like, "Get me out of this gate." But if you're at the Delta One Lounge, I'm like, "I could hang here, I don't know if I need to go where I'm going."
12:38 Speaker 01 Ever.
12:38 Speaker 02 Have you taken a shower there?
12:39 Speaker 01 No, but apparently it's amazing.
12:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, really?
12:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, apparently it's so clean and it's amazing. Like you said, it is the best part of the trip. I hate vacationing.
12:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, I also recently went on a vacation.
12:50 Speaker 01 Did you have fun?
12:52 Speaker 02 No.
12:53 Speaker 01 Right?
12:53 Speaker 02 No, I mean, I did at points, like it was for the 4th of July, I did have fun. I was with my cousins who are my sisters in my world, so it was really fun and you can kind of just do whatever. But I got blackout drunk on the 4th of July. Actually, that was really fun. And I was just FaceTiming people and I was just wearing a sun hat. And I've only blacked out- Once before.
13:14 Speaker 01 Only once?
13:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, I I blacked out.
13:16 Speaker 01 Twenty first birthday?
13:17 Speaker 02 Twentieth. On my, okay, so on my twentieth birthday, I had a party and I took a shot every time someone walked in the door. And then.
13:25 Speaker 01 Did you not die?
13:26 Speaker 02 No, well, I almost, I will, the thing is like, I was taken to the, Gracie actually took me to the emergency room.
13:32 Speaker 01 Good friend?
13:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, very good friend. It's like one of our favorite stories. But like, yeah, basically, I blacked out. I don't, I don't remember anything, but the party got shut down by midnight. I was in an ambulance, don't remember anything, woke up at four in the morning, saw Gracie sitting there on the phone with my mom, tried to rip out my IV, the nurses came running for me. Then I went back to bed, woke up again at six, I was fully conscious back to me. Had someone remove the IV and then her and I walked back to my apartment from the city M D. And then we got in my bed and it was six in the morning, like the sun was up and we were going to bed. And I remember I just played Love is a Wild Thing by Kacey Musgraves and we went to bed.
14:12 Speaker 01 Best song?
14:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, and I don't know why it was that one, but I was just, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. It's, it's one of our famous stories.
14:19 Speaker 01 Did you have scaries or were you like, whatever?
14:21 Speaker 02 No, you know what's so funny is my mom was on the phone with Gracie when we got back into my apartment. And my mom was like, Audrey, it's so funny that you got up on the coffee table and took your shirt off and danced. And I started screaming and she was like, JK. Good night, ladies. Yeah.
14:35 Speaker 01 Your mom sounds awesome.
14:36 Speaker 02 She, she's the entire reason why I am the way I am.
14:39 Speaker 01 My parents, if that happened, well, one time I like blacked out and like woke up with a gash in my head and my parents like legitimately tried to send me to rehab. And I was like, wait, I can't ever tell them about anything that happens again.
14:50 Speaker 02 Were you not much of a problem child, though?
14:52 Speaker 01 No, I was.
14:53 Speaker 02 You were? And you grew up in New York?
14:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:55 Speaker 02 Okay.
14:55 Speaker 01 I grew up on like uptown New York and I went to school on the Upper West Side.
15:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, I know some kids who grew up in New York City and I think they're the coolest people.
15:04 Speaker 01 Very independent.
15:05 Speaker 02 Yes.
15:05 Speaker 01 Like, I took this away from age 12.
15:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:07 Speaker 01 I like knew how to get, I knew how to make my own plans and like, but then like when I moved to LA, like I regressed entirely.
15:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:14 Speaker 01 Like, I can't do anything alone.
15:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:17 Speaker 01 I-
15:17 Speaker 02 You don't drive?
15:18 Speaker 01 No, I will crash. So I Uber and like, it's just-
15:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm sure you get asked this a lot, but like, you don't have any desire to get your license?
15:26 Speaker 01 Never. No, I do. I have a desire, but it's like, sometimes I'm like, going somewhere and I'm like, you know what? And thank God I don't have to work in this. Like, you know, driving feels like you're-
15:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:37 Speaker 01 Participating in something.
15:38 Speaker 02 Yes, I guess that's true. You are participating in something. But, and I have, but I've been in eight car accidents.
15:45 Speaker 01 And you still have your license?
15:46 Speaker 02 Yes, and I still, well, they tried to get it revoked.
15:49 Speaker 01 How have you been in eight car accidents?
15:50 Speaker 02 Well, I would say, like, five of them were minor, three of them were major. And then the last one I was in, I sort of looked up at the sky at God and I said, this is my last one, right? And they were like,
16:01 Speaker 01 For sure.
16:01 Speaker 02 This is your last one. I was looking down at Waze and, um, next thing you know, boom, collision. But-
16:10 Speaker 02 Thirty miles per hour, which doesn't seem like it's fast.
16:12 Speaker 01 No, that's fast.
16:13 Speaker 02 Very fast. And, um, but luckily the woman I hit was a firewoman.
16:18 Speaker 01 Oh.
16:18 Speaker 02 So she knew who to call.
16:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:20 Speaker 02 But we were in the middle lane of the 10 East. And, um, okay, wait, this is, this is great. I, um, I had just gotten back from Pennsylvania, visiting my cousins. And I had taken a red eye, so I was a bit in a daze. And I had decided when I landed, I was going on a one-day juice cleanse. So, came to the Brentwood Country Mart, I got a pressed juice cleanse. Um, and so I'm drinking juice all day. And I'm like, I've been up forever.
16:44 Speaker 01 And you're faint.
16:45 Speaker 02 And I'm faint and I'm in a hoodie. I just come from Pennsylvania. I don't know, there's a town in Pennsylvania called intercourse. So I was in a, I was in a hoodie that says, I heard intercourse. And then Pennsylvania, very small. And then I'd also been to Chocolate World, um, Hershey, in Hershey, Pennsylvania. And so I was wearing giant Hershey sweats. I was just going to see my boyfriend at the time. He must have loved me. But yeah, I remember collision. I got out. I had literally my laptop in the back, all of these belongings, like my dad's tennis stuff, and I just grabbed the juice cleanse and I got out of the car. I literally, it was so-
17:18 Speaker 01 You went for the juice cleanse before the laptop?
17:20 Speaker 02 Yes, yes. And so I was standing, so imagine me standing there in that outfit in the middle lane, just like two-hand on a press juice bag, waiting for the fire truck.
17:31 Speaker 02 And then that, that car was totaled, but then I got my dream car.
17:35 Speaker 01 Oh, amazing. Congratulations.
17:36 Speaker 02 Yes, I got my dream car after that because I could afford it at the time and it's still my car to this day.
17:40 Speaker 01 What car is it?
17:40 Speaker 02 A Subaru Crosstrek.
17:42 Speaker 01 Amazing.
17:42 Speaker 02 Yes, yes. Have you ever, oh, you don't drive?
17:44 Speaker 01 No, I don't drive, but my dad only drove in Volvos growing up because he said those were the safest.
17:50 Speaker 02 Yes, and so did the Colons.
17:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:52 Speaker 02 Yes.
17:53 Speaker 01 The Col- are you diehard?
17:54 Speaker 02 No, but I've seen them all, but I'm not like, I don't know everything and I'm not obsessed.
17:59 Speaker 01 Or do you, are there any like trilogy of movies that you like really do claim?
18:03 Speaker 02 I, mm, Fifty Shades.
18:06 Speaker 01 No way.
18:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. Except really it's just the first one.
18:09 Speaker 01 I've never seen any of them.
18:10 Speaker 02 Oh my god, Jake.
18:12 Speaker 01 Are they that good?
18:12 Speaker 02 Yeah. I mean, okay, the first one, I just think that like Dakota Johnson is the most sparkling person on this planet in that movie, and I think she entirely made it the success it was. She is so funny in that movie and the, the dialogue is questionable, but the plot is thick.
18:30 Speaker 01 Doesn't she like notoriously hate the movie? Like in press tours, wouldn't she be like, it's bad?
18:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I feel like she, she's always like, you're, you're looking in her eye and all of those videos and you're going, what do you really think?
18:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:40 Speaker 02 With Dakota Johnson. Yeah, but I, I just adore her. But yeah, I would say Fifty Shades is the one I claim. I, and I do like The Hunger Games of course.
18:47 Speaker 01 I love The Hunger Games. That's the one I claim.
18:48 Speaker 02 Yeah. Okay, what about Ballads and Song, Ballads of Songbirds and Snakes?
18:52 Speaker 01 I'm, is, no, that's not the new one. That's the run, that's the one that just came out.
18:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, Rachel Zegler.
18:57 Speaker 01 Loved it.
18:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was so good.
18:59 Speaker 01 Loved it, but it was like, I was rooting for the villain, which I didn't want to be doing.
19:02 Speaker 02 The, the guy.
19:03 Speaker 01 No.
19:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, holy shit.
19:05 Speaker 01 Right? Well, because I'm like, you can't make, my issue with villains is like, you can't make them hot and then expect me not to root for them.
19:11 Speaker 02 No, exactly. And also like, the, the villain is the most, the villain is the part you want to get in the movie. The villain is the part you want to get in the play.
19:17 Speaker 01 Right.
19:18 Speaker 02 It's the most, my mom always said that she was in theater and she did, she played Rizzo in Grease. And I always was like, didn't you want to be Sandy? And she was like, no, Rizzo is like a much more interesting character to play because she's the villain.
19:29 Speaker 01 Oh, that's like a true artist.
19:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, trust me.
19:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you love movies?
19:36 Speaker 01 I love TV shows more.
19:38 Speaker 02 Okay, okay.
19:39 Speaker 01 I'm like a big TV show guy. Like, I must have seen like 10 shows this year.
19:42 Speaker 02 Okay, so Severance, yes.
19:44 Speaker 01 Yes, always, yes.
19:45 Speaker 02 Yes, I will say I like the first season a little bit more.
19:49 Speaker 01 Okay, you know what? Me too.
19:51 Speaker 02 Yes.
19:51 Speaker 01 Because I thought Cold Harbor, the, um.
19:55 Speaker 02 That one off.
19:56 Speaker 01 I was just like, so what is it? Do you know what I mean?
19:59 Speaker 02 No, I know. I would, I watched that entire show with Malcolm and we'd be clutching hands, watching it. And it was like, build up, build up. There was one episode that really wowed me, but, and, and obviously it's amazing.
20:08 Speaker 01 Right.
20:08 Speaker 02 And like, my favorite thing about that show was the last shot of it. In the finale, turned to film.
20:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:16 Speaker 02 Turned to film.
20:17 Speaker 01 So cool.
20:17 Speaker 02 I was just like, this is cool. And I felt cool that I knew it was film.
20:21 Speaker 01 In, in my mind though, nothing beats the season one finale. To this day, I think it's the greatest finale of all time. She's alive.
20:28 Speaker 02 And then it cuts. No, I could start crying.
20:30 Speaker 01 Like, it's amazing.
20:32 Speaker 02 Brilliant. It's getting brilliant. It's brilliant. And then what else was amazing this year?
20:36 Speaker 01 I've, I've been re, I've been watching old stuff. So like, I watched The Leftovers for the first time.
20:41 Speaker 02 Okay, I haven't seen that.
20:42 Speaker 01 Ri, well, like, what's your type of show?
20:43 Speaker 02 Girls.
20:44 Speaker 01 Okay, that's my girl show of all time.
20:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, Glee.
20:46 Speaker 01 Glee. Love Glee.
20:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know.
20:48 Speaker 01 Who's your, who's your, who's like your favorite Glee character?
20:51 Speaker 02 Rachel.
20:51 Speaker 01 Me too!
20:52 Speaker 02 Yes, I'm Rachel.
20:53 Speaker 01 I am Rachel.
20:53 Speaker 02 Yes, everyone in my life says you're Rachel Bailey.
20:55 Speaker 01 And I just don't understand why people see a problem with her.
20:58 Speaker 02 Well, I think, yeah. I mean, I could, I'm not gonna say, but.
21:03 Speaker 02 I think, I think it's, you know what? You know what I relate to her about? It's that she, just like even thinking about season one, it's like, she is like, I'm a star.
21:14 Speaker 01 And she is a star.
21:15 Speaker 02 I'm a star and I'm hot and I'm interesting and nobody here recognizes it in the way that I do.
21:22 Speaker 01 Right.
21:22 Speaker 02 And that is what I relate to. I tried to put a photo of her in Sue Me. I wanted, basically, and she, Lea Michele approved.
21:29 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
21:29 Speaker 02 She approved it the day after we shot it. So I wanted, Sue Me, the music video, it starts in a bedroom.
21:35 Speaker 01 Right.
21:36 Speaker 02 I wanted a giant, like, museum framed photo of Rachel Berry, right center. And I wrote a letter to Lea Michele. I, I did everything I could.
21:45 Speaker 01 She's lovely.
21:45 Speaker 02 No, I, I don't care if she's lovely, she's everything to me.
21:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:50 Speaker 02 Like, she is, like, literally, she, I mean, even, like, Spring Awakening, everything, I mean, and, but Rachel and Barry.
21:56 Speaker 01 Right.
21:57 Speaker 02 Yes. And Finn was one of my sexual awakenings.
22:00 Speaker 01 Me too.
22:00 Speaker 02 Yes.
22:01 Speaker 01 Me too.
22:02 Speaker 02 Yes. And then with, well, what girl are you?
22:05 Speaker 01 Hannah.
22:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm Hannah.
22:06 Speaker 01 Well, if you're Rachel, you're Hannah.
22:07 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, I, I kind of was Shoshana. From, I wanna say, like, 2019 to 2023.
22:14 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
22:14 Speaker 02 And then I was like, wait, no, I'm Hannah. I don't know why I thought it was Shoshana, though. I think it was like the innocence thing.
22:20 Speaker 01 That's, I feel the innocence of Shoshana sometimes, but I, I know I am Hannah.
22:24 Speaker 02 Yes.
22:25 Speaker 01 Cause like, also, I feel like girls have like the craziest renaissance of all time.
22:28 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, and have you seen her new show?
22:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, amazing.
22:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:31 Speaker 01 I just, I love Meg Stalter so much.
22:33 Speaker 02 I love Meg Stalter, just her appearance on Colbert.
22:38 Speaker 01 I watched it the other night, for fun.
22:39 Speaker 02 Like, holy shit, girl, yeah, rip it in that way, like, you, not like you only get one shot at something like this. I mean, I could have come in a weave today.
22:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:47 Speaker 02 Imagine, imagine if I should have been a giant wig.
22:49 Speaker 01 I would have been, oh!
22:50 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not me. Um, I'm just in pants and stripes.
22:54 Speaker 01 Wait, but was Sue Me the first song you wrote for the album?
22:57 Speaker 02 No, Sue Me was the fifth song I wrote. Um, I wrote Wet Hair first, and then I wrote Chateau, and then I wrote I Like to Touch People, and then I was like, I think I wanna do this as a job, and then I wrote Sex in the City, and then I wrote Sue Me.
23:13 Speaker 01 Wait, was Chateau based off of like one night you had at the Chateau Monet?
23:16 Speaker 02 Yes.
23:17 Speaker 01 I gathered that.
23:17 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, it was entirely.
23:19 Speaker 01 It sounds like you like went there, went home and wrote the song.
23:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly, I, I mean, it literally was that, I started writing it the next day. I was so hungover in bed, and I just was, I picked up my guitar and I, and I wrote, I wrote that whole thing, yeah. Um, I, yeah, I went to Grammy's after party. Have you been to one?
23:36 Speaker 01 A Grammy's afterparty.
23:37 Speaker 02 A Grammy's afterparty.
23:38 Speaker 01 I think like maybe one.
23:39 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
23:40 Speaker 01 But not like a, not like a, cause you know, you have like the record label afterparties and then you have the artist afterparties. I've never been to an artist afterparty.
23:46 Speaker 02 Okay, so it was an artist afterparty and I went there and um, I can have fun at those kinds of things and maybe, cause like you, you find yourself at these industry parties. I have for a long time because Gracie has always been like, girl, we're going and I'm like, okay, let's go. And I, I think it's fun and I love to watch and watch these people live and I, you know, also because nobody has known who I am and, and still might not, you know, like I just would just sort of stand there. I, it's fun to make friends sometimes, but yeah, I just, you're just kind of standing there in this particular Grammy's afterparty.
24:27 Speaker 02 I was um, on a little bit of mushrooms, um, which just like the tiniest bit is perfect. And just really just sort of, it just brings you right out, um, which I can manage to do sober as well. But shit, it's a party, like let me just, you know, do a little something. Um, I had one amazing moment actually with Mark Ronson, which was, well, exactly. So I put my bag at the party underneath the DJ stand and um, I went to go grab like a lipstick or something. And I was crouched down and something hit me and I turned around like that, like whipped. And there was Mark Ronson and he just flashed me the nicest smile and I just flashed him a smile back.
25:10 Speaker 02 And that was it. And I, but I was on the mushrooms and I just was like, he is a wonderful person.
25:16 Speaker 01 He, he's made some wonderful music.
25:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, like uptown funk.
25:20 Speaker 01 Right. And Back to Black.
25:22 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, duh.
25:25 Speaker 02 I should have said that, but I really love uptown funk too.
25:28 Speaker 01 It's a banger. I feel like everything Bruno Mars touches turns to gold.
25:31 Speaker 02 Turns to 24K gold.
25:33 Speaker 01 How? It's really crazy.
25:34 Speaker 02 I know. I saw him, I saw him live when I, I think was 15 or something.
25:40 Speaker 01 Awesome.
25:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. Wait, so when did you start, did you, when did you start writing music?
25:46 Speaker 02 I started writing music with Gracie. That was my first time writing music.
25:49 Speaker 01 Wow.
25:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like, you know, kind of heaven sent, like, perfect for me 'cause I was a writer, but I didn't, I'd ne- never tried writing music.
26:01 Speaker 01 Right.
26:01 Speaker 02 And there, my best friend was like prolific, been doing it for a long time, very good. And her and I were living together. So, one day we just randomly started writing a song. Her cousin was over and had just broken up with her boyfriend and she said out loud, "It's just pain these days."
26:18 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
26:18 Speaker 02 And Gracie and I looked at each other and we sang, "It's just pain these days." And then, um, we wrote a whole song based around "It's just pain these days." And then we were like, "That was really fun." And then we just kept doing it. And, um, "Born" were some really fun songs. And the entire time, I was just sort of like, "This is a fun thing to do with my friend."
26:37 Speaker 01 Right.
26:38 Speaker 02 "I'm having a lot of fun." And it was her who was like, "Hey, you know, you're good at this. Like, let me set you up with, let me introduce you to my publisher. Let me introduce you to my lawyer." And so, she, I mean, she's entirely the reason that this has all happened.
26:53 Speaker 01 Right.
26:53 Speaker 02 And it was the most spell, spellbinding, spellbounding?
26:58 Speaker 01 Binding.
26:58 Speaker 02 Spellbinding.
26:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:59 Speaker 02 Experience. She brought me along. She was inclusive. She respected me from the jump. We have such a friendship. And to write songs with her was so easy because we know each other so well.
27:10 Speaker 01 Right.
27:11 Speaker 02 And it was just amazing. But then when she, the album was done and she went off to tour and promote it, I was like, left, you know, breathless. I was like, "Well, let me take a crack at this."
27:22 Speaker 01 Right.
27:22 Speaker 02 And also I had started, started to do like songwriting sessions, like classic, go in with people that you don't know, sit down, talk for an hour, go, "Well, where's the song?" Um, and I found that my talent was not best suited for that because I, all of my songs take me a very long time to write. Gracie and I would work on songs together for, you know, over the course of days sometimes. We were always... Ruminating on it and thinking about it and trying to come up with the best line possible. And the nature of sessions are sometimes like, okay, so, uh, Jackson's got a dinner at six. So we gotta like pump this out. Right. And it just doesn't, for me, I, I think that there are songwriters who are really good in that setting. I am not. I need a lot of time to think about it.
28:06 Speaker 02 And I basically like did classic songwriting sessions for four months. Knew kind of from the jump that it wasn't for me, but I figured there was something to learn from it. And, uh, never felt differently. Like I, I, I very seldom left a session feeling like that's a good song. And not because I wasn't with talented people, but because I didn't have, you know, 13 hours to wonder if a certain word was perfect or a certain line. And so I started kind of like for shits and gigs, writing by myself. Did not think anything of it. I still, like around the time I signed my publishing deal, the Nickelodeon show I was writing for got canceled. So I was lucky in that I was technically employed post-show cancellation.
28:50 Speaker 02 And yeah, I just was like, let me just write some songs. I don't know. Um, and I found that doing it by myself was like, just different. I love to collaborate. But when it comes to me and my stories, I guess, I, I, I wanna, I wanna be writing every word. Right. So I did write every word of the album, um, except Ricky, who made the entire album with me. Um, he wrote fucking, but fucking your ex is iconic. That's his line. I love that line. Yeah. And no, and that's in the few shows I've played that is the line that girls be screaming their face off. And it's like, and every time I just think of him, cause I really did.
29:32 Speaker 02 And then he changed on accident, one line of another song called Shooting Star. And he was just singing to, he would, he was sings my songs to me all the time and doesn't know the words. And so there's a line in Shooting Star that's, um, I like it, um, I'm totally loving the music and I like it the best I said when I lose it. And he's saying, I like it the best when I'm losing. And that song is about basically loving being drunk at the club, but only when you have something to be upset about.
30:02 Speaker 01 So valid.
30:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, you know, I don't care to be drunk. I'm not gonna sleep well, first of all. So I don't really care to be drunk if my life is great. Actually, you know, it's really fun sometimes, but...
30:12 Speaker 01 Only if you have, not to be toxic.
30:13 Speaker 02 No, no.
30:14 Speaker 01 If you have like a prospect of the night.
30:15 Speaker 02 That's literally what the song is about. And I like, my, uh, when the album comes out, I mean, it's out now.
30:21 Speaker 01 Technically out right now.
30:23 Speaker 02 Um, uh, there's a subsection of my website that's like an entire archival of like videos of me making and writing. And then like, I did write-ups of each song. And that is the exact thing I talk about, which is like, if I'm drunk out at a bar or a club, which I don't really go to the club, but I have been a few times, like, I'm, I'm wanting to be like, is he gonna text me? Is he here? Like, I don't wanna be like, I don't know what to do with myself here.
30:51 Speaker 01 Right.
30:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:51 Speaker 01 What do I just dance?
30:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, what do I just dance? Like, I wanna dance on him.
30:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, but, yeah, so, anyway, all that to say, um, I love, I love to write songs.
31:05 Speaker 01 That was a really beautiful way of saying it.
31:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.
31:08 Speaker 01 Wait, but, um, but you and Gracie did That's So True together?
31:10 Speaker 02 Yes.
31:11 Speaker 01 And would, is that the one that, I mean, you guys, but you guys like really like publicly collaborated on that one? Was that like when your like collaboration really became public?
31:19 Speaker 02 No, I mean, she, the public aspect is her being so forthcoming and cool and generous about my involvement.
31:26 Speaker 01 Right.
31:27 Speaker 02 And it's, it was just like, you know, blew me away every time because those songs that I, and that whole album, that entire album with her, meant the world to me. Nothing had ever meant more in my entire life. Nothing I had written on my own. I mean, like, truly.
31:44 Speaker 01 Right.
31:45 Speaker 02 It felt like my child too, and it's, and it was her album, but it was like, she always looked at me and was like, it's our album. And that's who she is, didn't have to do that. And so, she was always like, bringing me along, like, we did a Genius Lyrics video and she was like... I want Audrey to be in it and I was the first songwriter to have ever done a Genius Lyrics video, which is crazy because there are so many amazing songwriters and it's like a, you know, so many songwriters, you know, you just don't know them. You just don't know them. I know Amy Allen, though.
32:16 Speaker 01 She's epic.
32:17 Speaker 02 I know. I mean, I've never met her, but I-
32:19 Speaker 01 Right, same, but she's epic.
32:21 Speaker 02 Back to You. Remember Back to You?
32:23 Speaker 01 It's literally my favorite Selena song of all time.
32:25 Speaker 02 No, literally. And I remember being like, who fucking wrote this?
32:28 Speaker 01 She did Back to You?
32:28 Speaker 02 She wrote Back to You.
32:29 Speaker 01 That song is such a fucking banger.
32:31 Speaker 02 I know, and I don't, I don't know if it's true, but I feel like I heard somewhere that that was like the first song she wrote having, after, after having signed a deal, but I could be wrong. So if I'm wrong, it's not true.
32:41 Speaker 01 Well, it was in Thirteen Reasons Why.
32:43 Speaker 02 Yes.
32:43 Speaker 01 Which is the best show ever.
32:44 Speaker 02 I haven't seen it.
32:46 Speaker 01 You know what? Like-
32:47 Speaker 02 It's the best show ever.
32:49 Speaker 01 It's, it's so specific.
32:50 Speaker 02 Why do people, why are people so mean about it?
32:53 Speaker 01 I, you know what? And I don't want to get in trouble. I don't know. Like, I watched it after I took my ACT. I'll never forget it. I got home-
32:59 Speaker 02 Oh my gosh, I took the ACT as well.
33:00 Speaker 01 Really? Which is-
33:01 Speaker 02 Yes. Not a very good score, but I got a perfect score on the essay.
33:04 Speaker 01 No way.
33:04 Speaker 02 Yes, yeah. What did you get?
33:06 Speaker 01 Thirty-two.
33:07 Speaker 02 Whoa.
33:08 Speaker 01 Well, I, yeah.
33:09 Speaker 02 Whoa, you're fucking smart.
33:11 Speaker 01 By New York standards, that was so bad.
33:13 Speaker 02 Isn't the highs you can get a thirty-six?
33:15 Speaker 01 Yes, but everyone in New York, you'd be like, what'd you get? And they'd be like thirty-four, thirty-five.
33:19 Speaker 02 But thirty-two, I mean, I think I, I think I got, I got in the twenties. In the twenties, for sure.
33:25 Speaker 01 That's like normal. That's like, that's like normal. In New York, it was like so fucking rabid. I remember I took my test at, in, I think it was at Fieldston.
33:35 Speaker 02 Hmm.
33:35 Speaker 01 If you know where that is.
33:36 Speaker 02 I feel like I know.
33:37 Speaker 01 It's like, uh, near, it's like in the Bronx and I took, I took my ACT, went home. I was like, oh my God, Thirteen Reasons Why is out today. Watched the entire show in one day. I was like, so that was the best thing I've ever seen. Then I fell off of it. Then during COVID, I watched all three remaining seasons and I know you're wondering, now how could they make that show into four seasons?
33:58 Speaker 02 I'd had no, I thought it was one season.
34:00 Speaker 01 Nope, it's four. And let me tell you, they did it.
34:03 Speaker 02 It's all good.
34:04 Speaker 01 I mean, I was sobbing at the end.
34:05 Speaker 02 Okay, okay. I, because I enjoy a shitty show. I enjoy a shitty movie.
34:09 Speaker 01 Right.
34:10 Speaker 02 I, like those after-movies, the Harry Styles fan-
34:13 Speaker 01 I can't.
34:14 Speaker 02 You can't?
34:15 Speaker 01 I can't. I tried once and I was like, not, not for me.
34:19 Speaker 02 It turns me on. It turns me on. It still does. Did you read the fanfiction when it came out?
34:23 Speaker 01 No, but like my roommate Peyton, like she always said, she's like, I'm a slut for a Netflix original. And like by that, she means like a bad Netflix original.
34:31 Speaker 02 Yes, yeah. I think about like, I don't know why this is coming to my head, but the woman who played Gretchen Wieners.
34:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, what was she in?
34:41 Speaker 02 Okay, so she's in a lot of Hallmark movies.
34:43 Speaker 01 It was like a Christmas movie.
34:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, but this isn't the one I'm talking about. She was in a movie called Christian Mingle. And it's about this, it's about this woman who is so like, has run all of the other dating apps dry. So she's like, what is left for me but Christian Mingle? But she's like, so she pretends to be a Christian and is on Christian Mingle. And she meets this amazing Christian woman, uh, Christian man. And by the end of the movie, she converts.
35:06 Speaker 01 That's the movie?
35:07 Speaker 02 Not to spoil it, but yeah, it's honestly, all you need to do is watch the trailer. Cause the trailer is, it's amazing.
35:15 Speaker 01 And it's a Netflix original?
35:16 Speaker 02 No, no. No, I think they probably made that movie for $800,000.
35:21 Speaker 01 On Hallmark?
35:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, it's not even Hallmark. I actually could not tell you what it is, but.
35:25 Speaker 01 Tubi?
35:26 Speaker 02 Probably Tubi. Probably Tubi. That's what it is.
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38:35 Speaker 01 Do you watch Summer I Turned Pretty?
38:37 Speaker 02 I watched the first season, electric.
38:39 Speaker 01 I've heard, but people are like, they go Love Island hard for that show.
38:42 Speaker 02 No, yeah, Love Island hard because that makes me think of an Instagram reel I saw recently, which is like, they were, there was a park viewing, like there were people were at like a public park, watching the Summer I Turned Pretty on a huge screen and screaming. I'm like, is it really that? I guess it is.
38:57 Speaker 01 Have you seen her ring?
38:58 Speaker 02 I did see her ring. Isn't it like lame? It's lame.
39:02 Speaker 01 Lame? It's literally like, it looks like someone picked up a piece of sand.
39:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:07 Speaker 01 Stuck it on like a very thin, did you see her ring? Very thin band. I was like, you know what? I need my phone. I need to show you this fucking ring.
39:17 Speaker 02 Okay.
39:18 Speaker 01 Pull up the ring. It is the worst thing I've ever seen.
39:20 Speaker 02 You know what that reminds me though? That reminds me of when Lady Gaga said to her husband, "I'd marry you with a blade of grass."
39:24 Speaker 01 Oh, it's fine. I don't, oh, best song.
39:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
39:29 Speaker 01 Thank you, Manny. I love you.
39:31 Speaker 02 I, no, but she said that to her husband. She said, I'd, they were in a field, like, and also I might be getting this wrong, but they were in a field and, and she said, he was like, you know.
39:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I told you, it's.
39:43 Speaker 02 $142?
39:44 Speaker 01 Yes, it is the worst ring of all time.
39:47 Speaker 02 And isn't she a child bride?
39:48 Speaker 01 Yes, I think she's in college.
39:50 Speaker 02 I'd give that child bride a rock. But like, I'm Team Conrad. Like, I don't know, I've seen season one and I haven't seen the rest. I know I'm Team Conrad.
39:56 Speaker 01 Who isn't Team Conrad?
39:57 Speaker 02 Who the fuck is Team Jeremiah?
39:59 Speaker 01 No, like, actually.
40:00 Speaker 02 No shade to that gorgeous actor.
40:01 Speaker 01 Right.
40:02 Speaker 02 Team Conrad, I mean, that guy's just got something. There's a darkness in his eyes that I want to know.
40:06 Speaker 01 Right, but also like Jeremiah, it's like, I don't even watch the show and I know that it's just like, it's like being Team Jacob. It's like, obviously you're not gonna be.
40:13 Speaker 02 Being Team Jacob.
40:14 Speaker 01 Obviously you're not gonna be Team Jacob.
40:15 Speaker 02 But wasn't there a moment in one of those Twilight movies where you were like, wait, Jacob?
40:19 Speaker 01 Yes, it was when Edward left and she was like so depressed and it was that montage of her sitting in the room and all the seasons were passing and Jacob comes back and he's so hot and you're like, wait.
40:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you know what Jacob is a perfect representation of? How you don't actually want to be with the person who would die for you. Like, don't you think?
40:34 Speaker 01 Damn.
40:36 Speaker 02 Well, cuz it's not hot.
40:38 Speaker 01 Right, but Jacob like would would die for her, yeah.
40:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, and but that's why they wouldn't, that's why she didn't want him. She wanted Edward Cullen, who could like, kinda like, live with or without for times.
40:47 Speaker 01 For so long.
40:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:48 Speaker 01 Cuz he doesn't know what time is.
40:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, he doesn't know what time is. That guy's like, eight hundred.
40:52 Speaker 01 Eight hu- must be. Are you a vampire show person?
40:55 Speaker 02 No, I didn't watch The Diaries. I didn't.
40:57 Speaker 01 Diaries are great.
40:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, that's what I hear. Like, I want, uh, the OC. It's not vampires.
41:02 Speaker 01 Never seen it.
41:03 Speaker 02 It's great. It's great.
41:04 Speaker 01 I've heard it's unbelievable. Okay, if you like a show like that, have you ever, do you watch like any Shonda Land shows?
41:09 Speaker 02 What's, oh, Shonda Land. I don't thi- I don't think so.
41:13 Speaker 01 Okay, well, I'm doing a Scandal re-watch now.
41:15 Speaker 02 Okay, Scandal was everything to everyone.
41:18 Speaker 01 And you know what? As it should have been, I remember, I like, I wish I had a Twitter at the time cuz like, I remember Twitter just popping up during every episode.
41:25 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Shonda Land is like, they don't call it Shonda Land for nothing.
41:28 Speaker 01 For nothing.
41:29 Speaker 02 Like, like, you don't have something that's like, this is my land, unless you are the greatest of all time at what you do.
41:35 Speaker 01 And she is.
41:35 Speaker 02 She is.
41:36 Speaker 01 How to Get Away with Murder, Scandal, Grey's Anatomy. Like, were you a Grey's Anatomy person?
41:40 Speaker 02 No, I, I've not, I don't think I've seen a single show of hers.
41:44 Speaker 01 So what have you, what have you watched?
41:47 Speaker 02 Um, what do I love? Like Nathan Fielder.
41:50 Speaker 01 Oh, I love Nathan Fielder.
41:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, like, I like Nathan for You so much.
41:53 Speaker 01 I need, you know, I've never, I've seen the rehearsal, I've never seen Nathan for You.
41:57 Speaker 02 Oh, my god, what the fuck?
41:58 Speaker 01 I know.
41:59 Speaker 02 Do you, okay, people are like, so, you either love Nathan for You, or you can't watch it.
42:05 Speaker 01 I've seen Dumb Starbucks, which I thought was awesome.
42:08 Speaker 02 It's, yeah, it's very iconic. It's, it's iconic, but that whole show, it's like, he is the, my perfect kinda brilliant. And, um, I saw him on the street once, like, I couldn't speak, like, I, I, I, I don't wanna meet him.
42:21 Speaker 01 Really? He's honestly kind of hot. Is that like, unpopular opinion?
42:24 Speaker 02 I actually like, can't even speak on that.
42:27 Speaker 02 I actually can't, like, I can't, I don't wanna, I cannot. But, yeah.
42:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, right? Did you watch the rehearsal?
42:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've seen everything he's ever done.
42:36 Speaker 01 Okay, I, Loki cried at the first season.
42:39 Speaker 02 Really, really great. What'd you think of the second, though?
42:41 Speaker 01 I, you know, I'm on the last episode, I still haven't finished it.
42:43 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
42:44 Speaker 01 Because everyone's like, [BLEEP], and I'm like, well, there goes that.
42:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, that sucks that people told you.
42:48 Speaker 01 Well, it's because I woke up the next morning and everyone was like, and by the way, [BLEEP].
42:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, that was like, the best, the best, best, best, best, best thing ever was then, he, he revealed that he's been like, working towards [BLEEP]. For a while. I was like, you're so cool. And what am I gonna do like that?
43:04 Speaker 01 So creative.
43:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, so creative, so funny. I love, um, I liked that show How To with John Wilson, which he executive produced. Have you seen that?
43:11 Speaker 01 No, it's not about.
43:12 Speaker 02 You'd like it because it's New York. It's all about New York. It's like, basically, he pitches it as like Planet Earth, something about Planet Earth. Um, it's basically, he shoots like bizarre things he sees on the street in New York and then strings it together and gives it a story.
43:30 Speaker 01 That's awesome.
43:30 Speaker 02 And like finds himself in the houses of these random people. In one episode, he finds himself at the house of the guy who created the energy drinks bang. Yeah.
43:41 Speaker 01 That's so random.
43:42 Speaker 02 Yes. And it was like this mansion in Florida and he like finds himself at it. It's really fascinating. I like that show. Um, Girls, Girls is my favorite.
43:49 Speaker 01 Girls is the best.
43:49 Speaker 02 Girls is my favorite show.
43:50 Speaker 01 Of all time.
43:50 Speaker 02 Girls is my favorite show. Girls is the reason why I wanted to have rough sex and why I wanted to move to New York.
43:56 Speaker 01 Right? I want Adam.
43:58 Speaker 02 Adam was my sexual awakening.
43:59 Speaker 01 Right? I feel like I've had a few sexual awakenings. Adam was definitely one of them. I was like, wait, am I supposed to think he's hot? And then everyone was like, yeah, you're supposed to think he's hot.
44:06 Speaker 02 Yeah. And, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm still looking for a woodworker.
44:10 Speaker 01 Right?
44:11 Speaker 02 I'm still looking. I don't think I'll find him in Los Angeles.
44:13 Speaker 01 I was watching an episode of Scandal last night and the president was chopping wood. What's the point?
44:18 Speaker 02 In a hot way.
44:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:19 Speaker 02 Is the president hot in Scandal?
44:21 Speaker 01 Literally, the way you feel about, feel about Nathan Fielder, that's how I feel about Tony.
44:25 Speaker 02 The president?
44:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:26 Speaker 02 Uh.
44:27 Speaker 01 He makes me sick. He's so hot.
44:28 Speaker 02 Oh, my god.
44:29 Speaker 01 Like, he makes me sick. I wrote legitimate, like, fanfiction about him and texted it in my group chat two nights ago.
44:34 Speaker 02 That's so funny. That's like the stuff I do with my cousins. Like, like, we, we are, like, you, that's so wonderful. You have people in your life like that, that you're like, I need to, like, bust out this fanfiction real quick. Send it off.
44:44 Speaker 01 Right? That's what I'm saying. I, I was writing it. They were like, give it more, give me more. And I was like, honestly, like, I felt so encouraged. I was like, maybe I should walk pad.
44:52 Speaker 02 Okay, but I have tried. Maybe you should. I mean, would you do it under a pseudonym?
44:56 Speaker 01 Of course.
44:57 Speaker 02 Okay. I'd hope you'd tell.
44:59 Speaker 01 I would tell you. I would tell you.
45:00 Speaker 02 Okay, okay. Because I have written fanfiction as well, but I, right up to the point where they're about to actually start having sex and then I can't bring myself. To write it.
45:10 Speaker 01 Okay.
45:11 Speaker 02 Can you, can you write it?
45:12 Speaker 01 I wrote it. Like, I literally wrote it.
45:15 Speaker 02 I, I, I can't, I like to write all of the lead up and the story and then I'm like, I, it just, and then they had sex.
45:22 Speaker 01 Right.
45:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:23 Speaker 01 Right.
45:23 Speaker 02 And then we had sex.
45:24 Speaker 01 I think it was because my friends were like laughing and I was like, oh, and I kept going because I was like, I knew it was hitting.
45:30 Speaker 02 So was it funny then?
45:31 Speaker 01 It was hysterical. We'll send it to you.
45:34 Speaker 02 But, but it's, it's you.
45:35 Speaker 01 It's literally me having sex with the president. Not the current one, but it's literally me having sex with Fitz.
45:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay, okay, okay. What, do you have, I wonder if you've been asked this and I, forgive me if you have been, but would you, can you describe your type?
45:51 Speaker 01 I don't know. I love someone in their thirties. I think they just like kind of have it a little more figured out. I can, it's, I really like someone in their thirties. Tall-ish, brunette hair.
46:04 Speaker 02 Yes.
46:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, like that's what, that's my type. What's your type?
46:09 Speaker 02 I would say always funny, always funny. You, you have to crack me up. And what I've learned as I've like dated a little bit, and I don't really date much, but you can be funny, but you have to be specifically my kind of funny. Like I think what I've realized is I want to date the male version of myself.
46:26 Speaker 01 Love that.
46:27 Speaker 02 Yes, but mostly confidence. It's like, it's, I'm just learning about being with a confident person and what it feels like. It is like breathing so easy and hot and awesome.
46:40 Speaker 01 Does it make you feel more confident?
46:42 Speaker 02 Like I couldn't be more confident. So.
46:45 Speaker 01 Right.
46:45 Speaker 02 I, it's, it's hard to find, especially a guy, I'm twenty six, who's around my age, who, you know, I've actually never dated older, ever.
46:54 Speaker 01 I feel like maybe that's healthy.
46:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, like, I feel like there's like a.
46:58 Speaker 01 I think my type is unhealthy.
47:00 Speaker 02 Really?
47:00 Speaker 01 I think it's just a gay thing. Like sometimes gay guys like to date older.
47:04 Speaker 02 Are are you getting older now?
47:06 Speaker 01 Like, I'm talking to a few older people.
47:08 Speaker 02 Wow.
47:09 Speaker 01 But like, the person that I'm actually probably gonna go on dates with is like, my age.
47:13 Speaker 02 Okay.
47:14 Speaker 01 Which is like.
47:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:15 Speaker 01 But it's like, yeah.
47:16 Speaker 02 And I tried Raya, I gave it a whirl.
47:18 Speaker 01 Raya is the worst.
47:19 Speaker 02 It's the pits, because it it's it is exactly what the, you know, it's like, what's your job? What's your IG? What's your, what's your six photos? And that's all like hinge is, you know, can you be funny? Can you be interesting? What's something about you? Like, Raya, I couldn't last on, but I did enjoy seeing, um, like semi-famous people.
47:41 Speaker 01 It is cool.
47:41 Speaker 02 But also, it's mostly guys in real estate or, you know.
47:44 Speaker 01 Or they're like, and they live in like Ireland.
47:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, and they live in Ireland, and I'm like, okay, what? So I'm just gonna just gonna talk to you?
47:50 Speaker 01 My thing with, um, like hinge, though, do you ever get nervous now that, um, you're becoming like more known and you're about to release your album? That like, you can't go on apps like that anymore?
47:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. I I I was watching Love on the Spectrum and it ma- made me get back on hinge like months ago. And I kind of thought to myself, not like I'm a blow up or anything, but I was just like, I think this may be, um, the last time I can get on something like this. And of course, like, my experience, just the last time I was on it like months ago was, I'd see one person who I adjacently knew and I would pause my profile. I would just get spooked.
48:23 Speaker 01 Really?
48:24 Speaker 02 Do you not get embarrassed about that?
48:25 Speaker 01 I just like XM.
48:27 Speaker 02 Wow.
48:27 Speaker 01 If I like adjacently know them, I'm just like.
48:29 Speaker 02 No, if I see someone who I kind of know, I'm like, I have to remove myself from this app.
48:33 Speaker 01 My thing is like, I was so nervous about like being on hinge and stuff after like, like, as the podcast grew more successful. And then I was like, but you know, I saw Troye Sivan say something. He's like, if somebody comes out and says they had sex with me, like, I don't really care.
48:47 Speaker 02 So be it.
48:47 Speaker 01 Like, so be it, like, I have needs, just like anybody else does. And him saying that, I was like, you're so right.
48:52 Speaker 02 Well, and it's also like, wh- who, however many people, I mean, obviously you want to be safe, but however many people know you, we have this one life, you know? I am, that's I, something I've thought about a lot, actually, is like, Wanting to remain as true to myself as possible in the face of whatever is supposed to happen to me. Like, I always go to CVS and I always look bad. And I don't wanna have to worry about wanting to be more presentable, just in life in general. Do you have that?
49:22 Speaker 01 No.
49:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
49:23 Speaker 01 Notoriously, like, throughout my entire life, like, when I used to, like, upload, like, videos to YouTube as, like, ten years old, like, my mom would be like, "You should probably brush your hair." Like, you know what I mean?
49:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, you've always been that person.
49:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, but like, do you, do you feel inhibited by being public facing? Like, if you go to a restaurant, are you, like, kind of like, keeping an eye out who's seeing me? Or are you just, like, existing out there?
49:50 Speaker 01 Yes, because I like it.
49:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:52 Speaker 01 Like, I love it because I'm so insecure that, like, that type of attention makes me feel so validated.
49:57 Speaker 02 Oh, wow, that's like, you, you can't be that insecure if you just said that.
50:00 Speaker 01 No, I'm, but I'm very insecure. I'm just, like, super honest and, like, I, but, like, that type of attention makes me feel so validated. And it's like, that, okay, so that type of attention, like, kind of feels like, um, like, a, like, a push-up bra
50:14 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
50:15 Speaker 01 for your mind. You're kind of like, oh, like, yeah, like, I have this.
50:19 Speaker 02 Yes, yes.
50:19 Speaker 01 So, like, I can be, yeah, like, I can be, like, hot and sexy. Whereas if, but, or, on the flip side, sometimes I can be like, "Are they making fun of me?"
50:28 Speaker 02 Wow, that is, but, do you smoke weed?
50:31 Speaker 01 I used to, every, religiously, every day of my life. I stopped.
50:35 Speaker 02 Yes, and, and it probably helps to not be high ever in that situation.
50:40 Speaker 01 Oh, well, when I was high in public, but, like, I'd be with my best friends, we would just be laughing.
50:44 Speaker 02 Having the best time, having the best time, yeah, I haven't smoked weed in a while now, too.
50:47 Speaker 01 It's, once you get to, like, twenty-five, twenty-six, you just kind of cut it.
50:50 Speaker 02 You, and also, I, like, to be high in a good place, it's like, there is nothing quite like it, but I am a happier person when I'm not doing it.
50:59 Speaker 01 Everyone around me is like, "You are a different person." You're much less neurotic, which is, like, I still am neurotic, but, like, I'm much less.
51:06 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
51:07 Speaker 01 And it, I think it changed my life, like, I wake up easier.
51:10 Speaker 02 Yes.
51:10 Speaker 01 But I miss it every single day of my life.
51:13 Speaker 02 I miss it very, very, very much. But it's, it's a good time for me to not be doing, I just am far too busy and the kind of, like, Work that I'm doing now is like be the best version of yourself to the people who work with you.
51:26 Speaker 01 Right.
51:26 Speaker 02 And to those who you don't know. And I'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't need to be stoned for that. But when I am being creative, I, I'd like to dabble.
51:34 Speaker 01 It helps me be creative.
51:35 Speaker 02 Yes.
51:36 Speaker 01 I do feel a bit creatively stuck these days and I'm like, and I, I smoked, like I broke my streak the other day. Like just for like this really, I like hit like two hits of like a joint.
51:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:46 Speaker 01 And I was so back to back, like I was being so on it and so funny with my friends and I was like,
51:53 Speaker 02 Oh, wait.
51:54 Speaker 01 This is why, but then an hour later I was like, and then the day after I was like, I don't feel good.
51:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, you know, it's like, and they say it stays in your system for a while.
52:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I was so anxious.
52:04 Speaker 02 And I think that's the thing that I feel, but it is like, oh gosh, I feel so funny. I feel so funny and I feel so like actually, I mean, I, I will, if I have ideas for like a music video for a song or whatever, if I'm stoned, I'll like write them down and in my head when I'm writing them down, I'll be like, I'll probably read this and think this is dumb. And then I read it back and I'm like.
52:23 Speaker 01 No, sometimes it hits.
52:24 Speaker 02 I'm like, whoa, maybe, but then you think about someone like Snoop Dogg.
52:27 Speaker 01 Right.
52:27 Speaker 02 And it's like, sometimes I wonder, is he actually high all the time?
52:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think he is.
52:33 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I'm like, but he seems like he's such a mogul.
52:36 Speaker 01 Because like, I think when you smoke that much, like you just know how to operate on it.
52:41 Speaker 02 You just know how to operate, but like, if you were to go on Jimmy Fallon tomorrow as a couch guest, but you could only do it stoned, would you turn down the opportunity?
52:48 Speaker 01 No, I would do it.
52:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:49 Speaker 01 But I would like have to be like, by the way, I'm high.
52:51 Speaker 02 Yeah. And that would probably make everyone giggle.
52:54 Speaker 01 Right.
52:54 Speaker 02 And like love you.
52:55 Speaker 01 Like I'd have to be like, I'm tweaking.
52:57 Speaker 02 Yeah. I think that is like, what is so wonderful about you is, is you're honestly like just sitting here talking with you. Like your honesty, you just say what comes to your head. Like I wonder, obviously there's always a filter, like, but I, I just, I like talking to you.
53:13 Speaker 01 I really like talking to you. This is one of the most like natural flowing conversations I've had.
53:18 Speaker 02 Well, I feel like we have a lot in common.
53:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, we do.
53:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
53:20 Speaker 01 I love talking to you.
53:21 Speaker 02 Yeah. I'm your friend.
53:23 Speaker 01 I would love to be your friend.
53:24 Speaker 02 Yeah. I mean, because you probably meet a lot of people for the first time doing this.
53:28 Speaker 01 All of the time. This is how I like, sometimes this is how I. Make friends.
53:30 Speaker 02 Make friends. I can imagine, but have you ever like, thought, let's get a coffee and then let's do therapist?
53:35 Speaker 01 Yes, so I was supposed to go on, go to dinner with Tucker, role model. The night before our first therapist thing and I was like, I couldn't make it for some reason. And that was the only time I was ever supposed to do that and I cancelled on him. And, and I think to this day that if I went and saw him the night before, like it wouldn't have been good.
53:56 Speaker 02 Because that episode is, there is something in that episode that is deep magic.
54:02 Speaker 01 It's my favorite episode.
54:03 Speaker 02 It is unbelievable.
54:05 Speaker 01 Being in the room when it happened was so electric, like I was just like, wait, I, cause.
54:10 Speaker 02 Well, just chem.
54:11 Speaker 01 Well, because also like when we were texting the day before, he was like so excited, I can't wait. And then he came and was like, and I was like, what?
54:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, but when, when, when you guys called cut, was it like?
54:23 Speaker 01 It was like, no, so we called cut and we looked at each other and I thought, I said to my best friend Julia, I was like, I can't tell if people are gonna really like that or really, really hate it.
54:33 Speaker 02 I'm like, whoa.
54:35 Speaker 01 And, um, it was so good.
54:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's a smart, he's a smart dude, funny. He like actively makes me laugh on his Instagram stories.
54:41 Speaker 01 All the time.
54:42 Speaker 02 And I like started following him maybe like a month or two ago and it like, I don't know why, cause I've got nothing for love, nothing but love for that guy, but like when I click on his Instagram stories and it makes me laugh, I'm like, and then I'm like,
54:55 Speaker 02 it's like, it's not competitive, but I am like, why don't you just make me LOL dude? Like, you know, I've only met you a handful of times, like, it's not even like, it's like.
55:05 Speaker 01 Right. And that's the best, laughing alone at your phone.
55:07 Speaker 02 You make me laugh so hard though. You make me laugh so hard.
55:09 Speaker 01 Me?
55:10 Speaker 02 The way you use Instagram is incredibly inspiring.
55:13 Speaker 01 Thank you.
55:13 Speaker 02 And also I find it interesting. I don't know, maybe you feel differently, but I feel like no one else has tried to copy you.
55:21 Speaker 01 I don't think people use it like, well, because I like literally use it as like a stream of consciousness.
55:25 Speaker 02 No, I know, but I like that it's grid. I like that you're clearly, are you taking a photo on your camera?
55:29 Speaker 01 No.
55:30 Speaker 02 On Instagram app and that's the magic.
55:32 Speaker 01 Well, because, and this goes back to like the attention thing, like it's just like, I am so addicted to social media. So it's like, and also like after people always used to tell me, you should try to grow on Instagram, you should try to grow on Instagram. And I'm like, um, it's so unnatural for me to like, go take photos outside and post them. So I was like, the only thing I'm going to post is just how I'm feeling.
55:50 Speaker 02 Yes, I'm the same way.
55:51 Speaker 01 Like how people are gonna, and people really resonated with it.
55:54 Speaker 02 Oh my God. And it's just, it was just like, yeah, it feels like friends. It really feels like friends, which I think is actually a harder thing to do than people think. And I'm sure you have a special relationship with the people who like.
56:04 Speaker 01 I do. Like they, because like when, when I, I actually realized it once I was doing the like meet and greets for my shows. Like I was like, every person I'm meeting is so similar to me. It's like, oh, like I'd be friends with this person in real life.
56:17 Speaker 02 And that's like, I think what's so cool about what you do, because of course it's that way, because people who are tuning in, love you. It's like, yeah, it's about the, it's, you know, you might have a cool guest on, but it's because people want to listen to you talk to them. It's not, I feel like really because they want to listen to that person talk all the time.
56:34 Speaker 01 No, but on the flip side, there are people that tune in for the other person and those people don't always want to be your friend. So then because the show's format is kind of like that, like they can get super angry.
56:47 Speaker 02 Yeah. Like I can't imagine also the, when you probably like started being like, oh my God, like Charlie XCX is coming on or like holy shit, Lord. It's like.
56:55 Speaker 01 Lord was crazy.
56:56 Speaker 02 Yeah. What, I mean, I was so excited for you.
56:59 Speaker 01 It was the best day of my life. She came inside the house after and sat on the couch with us.
57:03 Speaker 02 She's the coolest. I've met her a few times and she is so cool.
57:06 Speaker 01 She came alone. She literally pulled up in an Uber alone. Was like, hi.
57:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, therapist.
57:11 Speaker 01 Amala. And I was like, like what's happening?
57:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. No, she. Yeah, but I imagine for you, like, the bigger the guest, the more random the
57:23 Speaker 01 Well, people just like online can be like, because people are so, because I feel like podcasting is weird where it's like people will only go on a few. So it's like the one that they choose to go on, people will have a lot to say about that and they'll be like, oh, like, why that one? So that's the pushback I get sometimes.
57:38 Speaker 02 Oh, that's so annoying.
57:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I just try not to read. Should we get into the tell me what's wrongs?
57:43 Speaker 02 Let's do it, Jake.
57:44 Speaker 01 It's always incest. My cousin just confessed feelings for me. Obviously, I don't feel the same, but genuinely, what do I do in this situation? I'm freaking out. I still haven't told anyone and I don't know if I should. Help.
57:55 Speaker 02 This is, this is a hard one. Um.
58:00 Speaker 01 And you know what? That's not the first cousin one I've gotten.
58:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, you know what? It's like, look at where we live.
58:06 Speaker 01 Right? You just have to say, I think, like, it's illegal.
58:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think I, I would say, yeah, I would, I don't know if I'd tell someone.
58:14 Speaker 01 No.
58:14 Speaker 02 I think keep it between you two.
58:16 Speaker 01 Right.
58:17 Speaker 02 I would go, um, I don't feel the same. Um, I'm really flattered. I'm really flattered. I would honestly, I would kind of like take the cousin element out. I would go, I'm really flattered that you feel that way. I don't feel the same. I, our familial relationship is really important to me.
58:33 Speaker 01 Right.
58:34 Speaker 02 And, um, I hope that, you know, this dissipates from you and let's be friends.
58:39 Speaker 01 Right, like, maybe you're just lonely.
58:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, I would, yeah, I would maybe have someone like lined up, like, I think you should see this person or like, oh, my friend, you know.
58:46 Speaker 01 Right. And then if it continues on, you can tell your parents, like, hey, like cousin, whatever, like, he's like tipping on me.
58:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it, if it, if they make an advance, if it escalates, I would then involve a parent, but I think just, you know, don't make them feel crazy, um, but know in your head that it's crazy.
59:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:05 Speaker 02 And, but just treat it really, really diplomatically.
59:07 Speaker 01 Right.
59:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:08 Speaker 01 I'm in a happy and healthy relationship and I find myself getting mad at the smallest things possible. It's almost as if it's a trauma response from my last relationship from being super emotionally abusive. I feel so bad because I know he doesn't do things with bad intent, but I take it and I freak out simply because of my past relationship. What should I do?
59:25 Speaker 02 I think. You're probably right about the past emotional abuse being a factor, but also you might not like the person you're with if they do um
59:35 Speaker 01 Small things.
59:35 Speaker 02 Small, well, small, I mean, maybe, how long have they been together? I don't know. It's like, I feel like when you're with someone for a long time, they can do something really small, but to me, not getting really, really irked at small things means you probably aren't super into them anymore. But also, there is the past emotional abuse. Um, I would, uh, I would, yeah, I would maybe be alone. I would just break up with everyone.
59:57 Speaker 01 Right.
59:58 Speaker 02 Honestly, that's what I'd do.
59:59 Speaker 01 And just like, see how you are alone?
1:00:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, and see how you are alone.
1:00:02 Speaker 01 Hi Jake, and special guest.
1:00:03 Speaker 02 Hi.
1:00:08 Speaker 01 So I hate my best friend's boyfriend, and I mean, hate. He is so bad for her, and is just makes horrible comments, and this, that, and the third, but she doesn't see it, and he is trying to push me away, so I don't convince her not to be with him. I literally got into a screaming match with him, and she chose his side. I don't know what to do, because I love her, but I feel like this is a very toxic relationship, and it's making our relationship toxic too.
1:00:28 Speaker 02 Okay, this is, this is, this is apt. I, I have a song on my album about not liking your friend's boyfriend. So, listen to the song, and maybe you'll feel seen. Then, I would also, I think it's two things. I think, in this situation, you need to act, I think it's, they're the same thing. Let your friend be in this. And also, I would say, I'm not gonna be your friend for a little bit.
1:00:52 Speaker 01 Right.
1:00:53 Speaker 02 I, yes, I, I have done this before. I've been in this situation, and what I did was just say, hey, listen. What I did was say, I can be your friend, but we can't talk about him, and I don't want to see him. And naturally, what that does is split you apart. But if he sucks, like he seems like he does, they're gonna break up, and she will come crawling back to you, and hopefully, if the friendship is meaningful, you will love her still. But it's like, when, you have to just let, let, let them.
1:01:22 Speaker 01 Let them.
1:01:23 Speaker 02 You have to just let them.
1:01:23 Speaker 01 You have to let them. What song is that? Is that Don't Get Back With Your
1:01:26 Speaker 02 Don't Go Back To His Ass.
1:01:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, Don't Go Back To His Ass. So we prescribe Don't Go Back To His Ass.
1:01:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, you prescribe, yeah, we do, we do, we do. I don't, I don't want to seem like I'm tooting my own horn, but yeah, listen to that song. Toot, toot it.
1:01:39 Speaker 01 Toot it. I, oh, I want to be a singer so badly and I know that it's what I'm meant to do. I just can't seem to put myself out there as I have massive stage fright. All I want to do is share my music with the world, but I'm literally my own barrier. What do I do?
1:01:53 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:01:55 Speaker 01 Do you get stage fright ever?
1:01:57 Speaker 02 I, I haven't been on stage much, but I don't have stage fright.
1:02:01 Speaker 02 I would say, first of all, be proud of what you've made. Wanting to be a singer, I think, is one thing. Wanting to write songs is another. I think if you've written songs that you're proud of, know that no one will ever hear them unless you put yourself out there.
1:02:18 Speaker 01 Right.
1:02:19 Speaker 02 And I think, the, the thing I think about is like, being maybe still in high school, or like, having an Instagram following that's mostly people who know you, and then wanting to switch to like, creator, or switch to like, public figure. And how that must be weird and daunting and embarrassing, because it is. But if you want to do something, no one's gonna come knocking at your door. You should come do this. You, you, obviously, it's like the, one of the first rules of life, I feel like. You just gotta do it.
1:02:48 Speaker 01 Right.
1:02:48 Speaker 02 If you're dead serious, just do it.
1:02:50 Speaker 01 Right? And like, I was talking to, um, Megan Maroney, like, I was in Nashville. I've been listening to her on fucking repeat all day.
1:02:59 Speaker 01 He has blue eyes.
1:03:01 Speaker 02 He's got blue eyes.
1:03:04 Speaker 01 He opens the door and he, don't make me cry. He ain't from where we're from, buddy. Feels like home, yeah. He's got me doing things that I've never done. In Georgia, they call it a sin. But I'm wearing Tennessee orange for him. Love her.
1:03:26 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm, love her.
1:03:27 Speaker 01 But she used to post singing videos, like, in college, and she was like, so, I was in a sorority house, and these girls were nasty to me. Now, she was like, they were nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty. And now they are the same girls who come back and text her and be like, congratulations, like, you are killing it.
1:03:43 Speaker 02 That's how it go.
1:03:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, just how it go.
1:03:45 Speaker 02 It's how it go. Do you, be you, post online, still go outside and, um, be you outside as well, but post online.
1:03:53 Speaker 01 I graduated college a couple of months ago, and my social studies teacher asked me to go to dinner with him. Literally my dream date. TBH, he's really hot and only like, eight years older than me, but I just feel like it's so weird to tell me, so, so tell me what to do. Okay. From Molly. Molly, I'm not gonna tell you to go see your old teacher. If it was me.
1:04:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:14 Speaker 02 Eat it up.
1:04:14 Speaker 01 If you graduated college and my old college professor who was hot was like, let's go on a date, done and done.
1:04:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, you know what? If you're into it.
1:04:22 Speaker 01 Also, you're 22.
1:04:23 Speaker 02 Also, you're 22. He's 28 years older, so he's...
1:04:25 Speaker 01 He's 30.
1:04:27 Speaker 02 Girl, go get that dinner. Okay, well, if she's calling in being like, what do I do? Like, you're probably not into it, so don't go if you don't want to.
1:04:36 Speaker 01 You know if you're into it.
1:04:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. If you were into it, you wouldn't have called in.
1:04:40 Speaker 01 Right?
1:04:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:41 Speaker 01 You would, yeah, you'd like, there's a difference between just wanting a story and actually being into it.
1:04:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think don't go because you called in.
1:04:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:48 Speaker 02 But if you're just wanting like to be on therapists, go.
1:04:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:53 Speaker 01 I, it's my dream date. Like, I...
1:04:56 Speaker 02 Social studies specifically?
1:04:57 Speaker 01 Like, just any teacher. If I had a hot teacher, like, my dream, oh my god, and to be in class and be like...
1:05:02 Speaker 02 Pretty Little Liars Ezra?
1:05:03 Speaker 01 Yes, and just be in class and be like, hi. You know what I mean? Like...
1:05:09 Speaker 02 Hi.
1:05:09 Speaker 01 And then he's like, hi.
1:05:11 Speaker 02 Did you see the movie Palo Alto?
1:05:12 Speaker 01 No, I need to.
1:05:14 Speaker 02 Okay, okay.
1:05:15 Speaker 01 But I'm not gonna say anything. Yeah, yeah. I thought I was flirting with this guy, but my friend said I came across like I was verbally attacking him. He's now ghosting me. How do I flirt without scaring people off?
1:05:27 Speaker 02 I kind of am the same way.
1:05:28 Speaker 01 Same, I'm the worst flirt in America.
1:05:31 Speaker 02 There's...
1:05:33 Speaker 01 No.
1:05:33 Speaker 02 There's, there's no way you're not good.
1:05:35 Speaker 01 Trust me, I'm really good at flirting over text.
1:05:37 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:05:37 Speaker 01 In person, I'm like... Oh, it's just horrible.
1:05:41 Speaker 02 But people must be in love with you, but, yeah.
1:05:43 Speaker 01 No, it's, if you, it is so painful to watch me flirt.
1:05:48 Speaker 02 Hmm, I feel the same way, but actually recently I've been like, no, I'm good. I'm good. And it's just confidence. It's, it's all it is. I think just, I am also someone who doesn't like, for the person I like to know that I like them, ever. Ever.
1:06:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, me too.
1:06:03 Speaker 02 Ever, it's always been my dirtiest secret if I have a crush on you. Um, but yeah, you, again, you got this one life. Like, just say what you actually want to say, and if what you want to say is, I want to be with you, then like... Find a different ways. I don't know. That's a hard one. I don't feel.
1:06:20 Speaker 01 I have like a few lines that I've heard recently that are good. You just go up to someone and say like, are you single?
1:06:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:26 Speaker 01 Great one. I was taught that one the other day. Do you hate that one?
1:06:32 Speaker 03 Is it really a line?
1:06:34 Speaker 02 It's a question. It's a question.
1:06:37 Speaker 01 So, well, it worked for Manny. It worked for you.
1:06:42 Speaker 02 It worked for Manny.
1:06:44 Speaker 01 It did. She went up to someone the other day and said, are you single? Worked.
1:06:47 Speaker 02 I mean, that's inspiring.
1:06:48 Speaker 01 Right?
1:06:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, I want to do that.
1:06:49 Speaker 01 Inspiring.
1:06:50 Speaker 02 One day.
1:06:51 Speaker 01 I'm the responsible one in the group. So every time literally anything happens, it's on me to give advice, fix it, be there for someone. When literally no one is ever there for me because I never need them to be. It's isolating. Should I talk with my friends or get new ones?
1:07:03 Speaker 02 Those aren't your friends.
1:07:04 Speaker 01 Tell me more.
1:07:05 Speaker 02 Those aren't your friends. If you are always the ear and never the mouth. And they love to have you listen and you never get to share. I don't know if your friends care about you.
1:07:17 Speaker 01 Right. But yeah, because she's saying I never need them to me, but like, have they asked?
1:07:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I would say. Talk to them. First of all, definitely talk to them. Talk to them, but also kind of maybe look in the mirror, go, I think I deserve better.
1:07:32 Speaker 01 Right.
1:07:32 Speaker 02 And you might be really good at giving advice, which is a blessing and a curse in this life, but. No, I don't. I don't think those are your true great friends.
1:07:40 Speaker 01 Getting new friends is the worst, but it's sometimes it is so necessary.
1:07:43 Speaker 02 It was the hardest part of going to college for me. I could not believe that I had to reestablish myself. I was like, I've spent 18 years building this incredible, like, you know, not persona, but just like reputation. Everybody likes me, knows me, knows what I'm worth. And here I am in New York City and no one knows how great I am.
1:08:02 Speaker 01 Right.
1:08:02 Speaker 02 And I had a really hard time making friends freshman year.
1:08:06 Speaker 01 It is. It's been so easy, but you are, I feel like you're someone that is so easy to be friends with.
1:08:10 Speaker 02 Oh, well, thank you. Well, yeah. And that's why I was so like, guys. I was like, guys, I'm great. I'm great. Yes, exactly.
1:08:17 Speaker 01 Did you like going to college in New York?
1:08:18 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh, I loved, I loved, I loved NYU. I loved college.
1:08:22 Speaker 01 Well, so before I let you go, what are you listening to right now?
1:08:25 Speaker 02 What am I listening to?
1:08:27 Speaker 01 Besides your own stuff?
1:08:28 Speaker 02 Hmm, I really do listen to my own stuff. I have stopped kind of like when I was making it, I was ripping that day and night. Like, I've probably heard Sumi 1,000 and 700 times.
1:08:40 Speaker 01 It doesn't get old.
1:08:41 Speaker 02 It don't.
1:08:42 Speaker 01 It doesn't get old.
1:08:43 Speaker 02 It'll come on sometimes and I'm like. This is my song.
1:08:47 Speaker 01 Dare I say instant classic?
1:08:48 Speaker 02 Oh, stop.
1:08:49 Speaker 01 Really? I heard that and I was like, yeah.
1:08:51 Speaker 02 Oh, thank you.
1:08:52 Speaker 01 That's it?
1:08:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, so I listen to my own stuff. I listen to, I don't know, I have a hard time. I don't honestly listen to a lot of music. I listen to the radio a lot because I don't like to be choosing. But, um, old Selena Gomez right now.
1:09:06 Speaker 01 What? Me too.
1:09:07 Speaker 02 Really?
1:09:07 Speaker 01 Yes. Who Says? It's been on repeat.
1:09:09 Speaker 02 Okay, Who Says? is my karaoke song.
1:09:11 Speaker 01 Also, like, um, Level Remember.
1:09:13 Speaker 02 Yes, okay. I don't know that song, actually.
1:09:15 Speaker 01 Oh, my god.
1:09:16 Speaker 02 Okay, I've been listening to Come and Get It.
1:09:18 Speaker 01 Best one ever.
1:09:19 Speaker 02 Best. I've been listening to, off of Revival, do you know that song, "Nobody"?
1:09:23 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:09:24 Speaker 02 "Nobody"? It's so good. I've been listening to Look at Her Now.
1:09:27 Speaker 01 Oh, great one.
1:09:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, that production is like, hark.
1:09:30 Speaker 01 Single Soons, also underrated banger.
1:09:32 Speaker 02 That's insane.
1:09:33 Speaker 01 Back to You.
1:09:34 Speaker 02 That's insane. You think Single Soons is good?
1:09:35 Speaker 01 I do. I think it's so good. I love The Wolves.
1:09:40 Speaker 02 I love Wolves. I love Back to You. I love...
1:09:42 Speaker 01 It Ain't Me with Kygo.
1:09:43 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:09:45 Speaker 01 Banger.
1:09:46 Speaker 02 Yes, I so much, I've been listening, honestly, I had like a spiritual experience the other day, listening to her on my walk. I was just like, huh, like, people make beautiful, great pop, and I want to do that.
1:10:01 Speaker 01 Right, you do do that.
1:10:03 Speaker 02 I mean, I do, I, yes, but, but like, just kind of like, run-of-the-mill, fucking, so digestible. I want to try that. I want to stab at that.
1:10:11 Speaker 01 She is like, you like, forget sometimes, you're like, oh no, she did that.
1:10:15 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
1:10:16 Speaker 01 Like, she was that, and she is that, and did that.
1:10:18 Speaker 02 I love that recent project with Benny.
1:10:20 Speaker 01 So good.
1:10:22 Speaker 02 I love that song, Sunset Boulevard, makes me laugh out loud.
1:10:25 Speaker 01 So good.
1:10:26 Speaker 02 I think it's brilliant, and I think if you don't understand it, lighten up.
1:10:29 Speaker 01 It's just a banger, too.
1:10:30 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:10:30 Speaker 01 It's a banger. Well, Audrey, what did we learn today?
1:10:34 Speaker 02 Hmm, I learned that I really like you. I learned that, um, I can totally do a podcast. Um, and I learned that it does, it does get hot in here.
1:10:45 Speaker 01 I told you it's gonna get hot in here.
1:10:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:10:47 Speaker 01 We need to figure out a way around it.
1:10:49 Speaker 02 I feel like the audience would love to know that this room is small.
1:10:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is. It's a small room, and it's hot.
1:10:53 Speaker 02 Because when I watch, when I tune in, I'm like, the people you're speaking to are all the way back, and they're in director's chairs.
1:10:58 Speaker 01 No, they're right there, in dining room, living room chairs.
1:11:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, but this is a beautiful space, and you make it very wonderful, and you, and I understand exactly why you've had all the success you've had.
1:11:08 Speaker 01 Audrey!
1:11:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:09 Speaker 01 I have had genuinely so much fun with you today.
1:11:12 Speaker 02 Oh, I've had so much fun.
1:11:13 Speaker 01 And I want to text after this.
1:11:15 Speaker 02 Okay, yeah.
1:11:15 Speaker 01 And send you what I told you I was gonna send you.
1:11:17 Speaker 02 Please, please, please do, because I'm gonna watch it in the car.
1:11:20 Speaker 01 Well.
1:11:20 Speaker 02 Okay, well, thank you, Jake.
1:11:21 Speaker 01 Thank you for coming on. Well, do you want to give a little bye pussies?
1:11:23 Speaker 02 Bye pussies.
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