Session 79: PinkPantheress

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:40Speaker 01

  Hi pussies and welcome back to Therapuss. I'm recording this from my hotel room in Washington DC.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  I just got back from France. If you didn't see, I had a very, very horrible travel day yesterday. And honestly, like as I tell the story about it.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I'm like, damn, like it really wasn't that horrible. But like, like I know I'm just so dramatic, but like in the moment, like I thought like my life was over like in, okay, so, so when I was flying from Nice to Paris for my layover, like I knew I had like such little time to get on my flight. And the Paris airport, if you haven't been, is the worst airport in the entire world. It's miserable, it's huge, it's impossible to get around. And like my app tells me this one gate. And so I run to the gate like sprint, like there was sweat dripping from my face. Like I get on a bus and then I go through passport control and then I sprint and there's like, there's literally two ways I can go. One to gate K, one to gate M, okay? Online it said gate M, on the app it said gate K.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  I'm like, why would the app, why would the app be wrong? It's feeling like a bit too easy. Like there's no security I have to go through. And I know like when you're like getting on a connecting to like America, like you have to go through security even after passport, even after the passport stuff. And I'm like, something feels too easy and I'm dripping sweat. I get to the gate. It's not my flight. In fact, there is no flight. I'm just like, I have like 10 minutes left and like my body like gives up. Like, I literally can't run anymore. I run back anyway and then I get lost. I run back. I like try to run back through the passport thing. They're like, "You can't do this." And then at one point, I just look around. I'm holding Cassandra. I'm dripping sweat and I feel so defeated. Finally, I get on another flight to New York.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  I'm in a middle seat. People are eating salmon next to me on both sides. Um, it was horrible. It was horrible. It was the worst travel day of my life, but I'm here. That's, that's me. That's, that's my update for you. France was amazing. I went to Cannes Lion. It was incredible. I went on vacation. I was, I had such a wonderful time. Um, I barely tanned, obviously, because I can't tan. Um, I don't even think I got burnt because I put on so much sunblock. Tonight, we have on Pink Pantheress, who I just absolutely adore. I think she's so incredible. Her music is so amazing and like unlike a lot of the stuff we hear today. Um, so it was super, super cool to talk to her and she's also like so fucking funny.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Like her humor was so similar to my humor. I just thought she was such a fun time to hang out with. Um, and to learn about like, um, her music and her and it was just so fun. And I'm really excited for you guys to learn more about her if you don't already. Um, I'm still on tour. I'm about to perform in Washington DC. And then New York at Radio City, then Atlantic City, then Boston, and then I have a few more shows. Um, to see if I'm coming to a city near you, go to passthatpuss.com and click Live with Jake Shane. And to submit a Tell Me What's Wrong, go to passthatpuss.com, click Tell Me What's Wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay, enjoy the episode. Love you pussies.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapists. Today, we have one of my favorite artists on, Pink Pantheress. Hi! Hi, nice to meet you. So your stage name came from the game show and the Pink Panther movies?

• 3:57Speaker 02

  So it came from, um, so I was making a TikTok account and then I wanted to call myself. The game show aspect is because I was watching a game show called The Chase.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  And the answer to one of the questions was Pantheress.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  And I really liked the way it sounded. So I wanted to call myself that, but then it was taken, so I put Pinky in front of it.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Like the movie?

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Yes. Do you like the Pinky in the movies?

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Of course I do. Well, it depends which one we're talking. We're talking Peter Sellers or if we're talking Steve Martin.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Do you like the Steve Martin ones?

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Of course I do. Have you seen those ones?

• 4:25Speaker 01

  I've seen, I've only seen the Steve Martin ones.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Wait, okay. Do you remember any of it?

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Like?

• 4:31Speaker 02

  I would like to buy a hamburger.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  A lot of baga.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  I remember, I don't remember.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Okay. It's fine. I'm very well versed.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Wait, I watched your music video for tonight.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Amazing, amazing. I love it. I love it. Where's the, was the, what was the inspiration behind it?

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, I was, I was, okay, so I was listening to a lot of older music and I was listening to a lot of, do you know who Jamiroquai is?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  So there's an artist called Jamiroquai. No, it's fine. And well, he's, he's, he's from the UK, so maybe that's why.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Um, and he has a music video from a song he has called King For A Day. And it's very Georgian. It was set in the Georgian times. And I was like obsessed. I was like, I would love to do something similar to this. And I also watched, um, the Madonna, the nineteen ninety-nine, I think, or two thousand one. Um, Vogue Live, she did, I feel like the, oh, was it the Grammys or something? I don't know.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  I think I know what you're talking about. That performance where she did like, yeah.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  And I loved it. So I was like, I really want to do something similar and I really.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. And it's one of your longer songs.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Uh, it is actually.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  It's one of your, because normally you said that you don't like your songs going above two thirty, right?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  But it is, it is, it's nearly three minutes. Or I think it is on Spotify. It's like three minutes, something in four seconds.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  And then, or do you have any other songs on the mixtape that are a little longer? Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I think so. I don't know if any of the others actually go over three minutes, but I think they are like similar to the, tonight, yeah.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Right, right. And then what, well, how do you decide between, like, when you're doing, like, it's either a mixtape or an album? Like, how do you decide?

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Well, it's all about how you go into it and what you are thinking going into it. So if I'm, I went into this project not like thinking of it as a mixtape. So that's how I proceeded. But if I went on into it thinking it was an album, then I would. Proceed as such.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  And then how do you, what's like the difference in your mind between the two?

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Just how honestly, and this is gonna sound really, is how seriously I think about every component. With a mixtape, you have more freedom to be fun.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  So I was, I, you can sample more, or I sample more, or I feel like way, way more liberty to just kinda go crazy and just do whatever, throw in some random bullshit, but with an album, it's like, okay.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Everybody on mute.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Do you have like an experience with a song that you overthought and then you were like, you put it out and you were like, fuck?

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yes, I feel like I have before. I've had songs where I'm like, I could have just left it at the original demo, and it would have been probably a bit more enjoyable for people, but, I mean, shoulda, coulda, woulda.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Shoulda, coulda, woulda. I read something the other day that was like, those are like the three worst words in the English language.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Shoulda, woulda, and coulda.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz it's like, you can't.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, cuz you can't. And I, I was saying this to literally just now with my manager, I was like, whatever. The beauty of an outcome is that you don't know what the other outcomes could be. So you just live with the reality of what the reality is.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Wha- wow, do you take like a lot of like, do you take a lot of like personal inspiration for your music? Or like, how do you like, what's your process like?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I take a lot of, my, my process, well, I, we were just talking, I was just talking about this to someone else, but a lot of my personal decisions come from my tastes. So, and my tastes are obviously informed by what I grew up listening to and where I'm from, I'm from the UK. So a lot of my music is very, uh, is, is, is all very, it hails a lot from what I grew up listening to. And that's why I feel like a lot of Americans are less familiar with some of the genre. Like, other people describing music as like hyperpop sometimes, I'm like, not quite. Not quite, but you know, it makes sense why like maybe someone from America would think of it as that because they aren't necessarily too familiar with what it actually is.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  The genre is called drum and bass and it's drum and bass and that's where you'll find the really quick drums and the breaks. And that is a genre called drum bass, yeah, and and or jungle, it kind of leaks into others, but that's what a lot of Americans call hip hop because it's very sped up.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Quick, very like, but it's not that in in but who but who makes the rules? No one makes the rule. No one makes the rules, so it really is whatever you want to be, but I wouldn't necessarily call it hip hop.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, what did you grow up listening to?

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Um, well, this is gonna be very broad, but just British music because we it really just is that because British music is its own thing.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Like you can, there are genres obviously in the UK, but there it really is its own entity as well, in my opinion.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  What is it? What's the difference between that and like?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  American music. Well, I was just saying like America is, you have to remember how big America is.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  America is a whole, it's it's a whole, the music over here is its own, it's a whole, it's its own ecosystem, like it's a whole climate.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  In the UK, it's kind of like a more like, like if, for example, if somebody knows a song up in Scotland, I most likely they're gonna know it down in London.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  And this and it's not every every song, because obviously you have um local music that will like inform a certain area's culture or whatever in the UK. But generally speaking, a song will be nationwide, in my opinion, have to put that out there. In my experience of being in the UK, but in America, it's like, you know, like, I had, I had, I had an ex from St. Louis who who would name artists that like somebody from this state wouldn't know and then this person wouldn't know and this person would know and they and even like genres in one state might be different from a genre in another state. And so for that reason alone. Uh, I have to call it British music.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Who are some of your favorite British artists?

• 10:17Speaker 02

  Lily Allen.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  I love Lily Allen.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  I really love Lily Allen.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  She's amazing.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Sorry, I got really excited.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  It's okay. Calm down. But no, I love Lily Allen. Isn't she really good? She's amazing. Have you done her yet?

• 10:28Speaker 01

  No, my god, I would die. I, when I was in eighth grade, went through like the big, when she released She's Us.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  I went through like the biggest Lily Allen phase.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  What's that one song she has on that's going, uh, like a bitch? No, no, what's that one?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, oh, um, um.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Um, it's called that.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Hard out here for a bitch.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  That's really good.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  I liked, I love Air Balloon too.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  Yes, okay. The whole album's so good, but yes, Lily Allen, I love Imogen Heap, Kate Nash, I love, obviously, I loved Amy Winehouse, I love.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  I mean, who, I can't really name honestly a, a British artist that I really don't like. Cause I think all of them have really informed me, like all that, that classic era of like two thousand and one to like two thousand and like even ten.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was like the golden years, I feel like.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  The golden years and then Disclosure came out in like, what, twenty twelve? And I was like, this is a whole different plane of music.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Disclosure's British?

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  I did not know that.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  That's crazy. Their live shows are honestly beyond anything. They're crazy, yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Okay, and you live in London full time?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  I do. Oh, I live between here and London.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. I was just in London. I went to Marks and Spencer's.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  That's my, I used to work there.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  What?

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  They have every thing ever.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, yeah, it's like one of those, what'd you guys like Sears or something?

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  So?

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Um, like a Target.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  What is Sears then? What is Sears?

• 11:55Speaker 01

  That's so random that you.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  What is Sears?

• 12:01Speaker 01

  It's like, uh, what is Sears?

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. You don't know what Sears is?

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Like, I know what Sears is, but like-

• 12:11Speaker 02

  But you just don't never go in.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  No, and I don't think they have like Sears like branded food.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Okay, well, forget it.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Like J C Penney?

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Like, it's like Target.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Girl, no, it's not like Target because Target is like, oh, Sainsbury's.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  What's a Sainsbury's?

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Tesco's.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Tesco's?

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Do you, do you have, do you know what that is?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Okay, good. Then that's, I feel like-

• 12:35Speaker 01

  I know what Marcus' Mentors is because I always get the prawn trips. Prawn chips from there.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, well, that's like what Target is for us. Or as does, as does actually is, is the, uh, British Target.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Well, I, and I love, um, it, uh, what's it, Itsu?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Itsu.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  I love Itsu.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  You like little Japanese food?

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. I love Japanese. It's my favorite food.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Actually, there's another one that I, I feel like, there's one called wasabi you should try.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  I love wasabi.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  When I had an internship, my, oh my god, do you ever like block out periods of your life?

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  I'm like, where did I work during the time?

• 13:09Speaker 02

  How old are you?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Twenty-five.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  How old do you think I was?

• 13:12Speaker 02

  No, I, I thought you were like twenty-four. Well-

• 13:17Speaker 02

  I'm twenty-three.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  You're twenty-three?

• 13:18Speaker 02

  I'm turning twenty-four soon, though.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  I know, happy almost birthday. April, what?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Nineteen.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Aries?

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Scorpio.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  What's that mean?

• 13:27Speaker 01

  It's like dark and-

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Dark?

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Angry and full of like-

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Dark.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Anger all the time.

• 13:35Speaker 02

  Well, it's not giving any of those things.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. It's like, am I being fed lies by those closest to me?

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Oh, right, I see. And that's the darkness in you because you're cynical.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  But Mike, so no, J C, we were just talking about birthdays and what were you saying before that you had an internship? What were you doing?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Um, see, that's what I'm saying. I forget. But I remember every day I would go to wasabi because they had one in Times Square.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  What internship you did?

• 13:58Speaker 01

  No, one time I got fired from an internship. Can you believe?

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Why?

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Um, I went on my phone and I fell asleep at the desk.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  I mean, who could blame you?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I know. Well, I didn't know. It was my first foray into corporate America and I had no idea that you weren't allowed to go on your phone.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Right, that, well, falling asleep though.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  And then I discovered without my phone, I get really tired.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  So what you have, what's it called, narcops?

• 14:22Speaker 01

  No, like it's a phone addiction.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  I also have a phone addiction. I'm trying really hard to.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  No, I, it's really bad.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  What apps are you on? Because I'm not, I'm not, are you on social media? I'm not on social media.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  What?

• 14:33Speaker 02

  I download apps.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Games, apps.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Wait, what do you mean you're not on social media?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  I know, I'm on social media, my bad. I mean, I don't like, I'm not doom scrolling on social media.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Okay, I doom scroll.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  That's not the reason I'm on my, I'm there because I download games.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  What games?

• 14:44Speaker 02

  All games you can think of. A lot of escape room games.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Are you serious?

• 14:48Speaker 02

  I love a little puzzle. So I just play, like, I download these scary escape room games where you just have to, like, these detective series games.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Wait, is it, that sounds fun. Will you send me them?

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Ab- absolutely.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Wait, that sounds up my alley for a game.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Good. I need more people to get on board.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Okay, I, I will.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Good.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  So that.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  Wait, so what, um, what like, okay, so we were talking music, but what like TV shows and movies do you like? Like, what are you watching right now?

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Well, I used to be a film student, so actually.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 15:20Speaker 02

  I'm well versed in the film department, or I used to be. TV series, though, I was just, I don't watch any.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  What?

• 15:26Speaker 02

  I, I, no, I did watch the one everyone said to watch, though. Oh, what's it called? Adolescents.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  But was Adolescents good?

• 15:33Speaker 02

  You haven't seen it? Oh, okay. It's, no, it was really good. I love, well, the acting was just so good.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  I know, I heard that the kid was amazing.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  The kid was amazing.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I know.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  And the dad, uh, what's his name? Stephen Graham, I think his name is. I love him.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a British show?

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  What other, oh, do you, would you consider British shows in a different league than, like, in the same, like, league as, like, British, like, art and music? Because you know how you're like, everyone's watching, everyone's listening to the same thing? Like, would you consider everyone to be watching the same thing?

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Let's put it this way. My manager's British, and if I feel like, if I said Waterloo Road, Coronation Street, EastEnders, if I said Holby City, if I said The Bill, she's knowing all of these. Or if I say Strictly Come Dancing, or if I say, listen, you, this is all going fush, but.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  No, but you want to know what I do know that you would be shocked?

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  What is the way that they speak and it's, um, it's.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Jordy.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  No, it's like in code. Like, loop-de-loop.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Cockney, I know Cockney.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Apples and pears.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  I know, I know, I know it, like.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  You're fluent in it.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Like, uh, what is it? Uh, apples and pears?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, apples and pears and stairs. Tea leaf, you're a thief.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Ooh, I've never heard that one. What is some more?

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Um, oh, go. Dog and bone phone. Get off your dog and bone. Your phone.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  You didn't like that?

• 16:52Speaker 01

  I like, uh, apples and pears.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  See, that one's not giving to me because like.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  And I like loop-de-loop.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Hoop was that?

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sorry. I think I just made that up.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Crickets.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Crickets. I'm sorry, loop-de-loop. I'm trying to think what the rhyme would be.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  I think it was soup. Loop-de-loop, soup.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Oh, I feel like you're talking about spaghetti hoops or something or loop-de-loop.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  We'll get to the bottom of it, don't worry. But, I will get to the bottom of it. But, your name sounds cool.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Well, because my best friend is British.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Who is your, do I know her?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Hmm, her name's Alice.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  She's from London?

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Alice?

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. She, well, she moved to America when she was 12.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Get out. I'm not, I don't know.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  But her whole family is British. So I'm, I have, I, I do very, uh, British things with them. Like I have a lot of sausage rolls all the time.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Oh, you're good. Does she have a British accent?

• 17:39Speaker 01

  She has a British accent with certain things. So like when she says water, it's wa-uh.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Oh, water.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like room, rum.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Room and rum? Room?

• 17:49Speaker 01

  I don't know, but her parents have like the thickest and her, uh, accents and like her brother has the thickest accent and.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  Thick.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Oh, that's good. Well, that's nice. I would love to meet her one day.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure you will. But it was just, I was, are you going to Coachella?

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Say that again?

• 18:02Speaker 01

  Are you going to Coachella?

• 18:03Speaker 02

  No, I'm actually not.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  I love your performances. I die for them.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Start playing with him.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Start playing with him, right? I have a really weird thing. I'm gonna be so real with you. Cause I, I was saying last week, I'm, I'm being very open about mental health right now. Let's talk.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Let's be open and honest.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  So I have OCD. Okay. And so what that means, so what that means is, and it's pure.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  I have OCD as well.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  What's pure?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Um, I have, so I don't have it like where it's like neat, but it's like, I have to touch things evenly. I have to like count things. I really like intrusive thoughts. Um, I'm very superstitious. So if I don't do it, it's bad luck. If I don't do it, like, um.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  The family's gone.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  No, it's more like, like I'm gonna get in trouble in my job. Like I'm gonna lose my job. Like.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Got you.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Like I'm gonna lose my friends. But it's really bad. I'm on a lot of meds for it. What's, what's pure?

• 18:55Speaker 02

  So pure, well, that for me is like, I don't have any, I don't necessarily have many of the fears that you might have about certain things. And I don't need to touch anything. And I, I don't really care about neatness. I'm actually quite untidy, honestly.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Me as well.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  However, I do have this thing where once I have a thought, it's loops, loops, loops for the whole, for a month. Oh, and it will never stop, never stop. And I get it over, I get over some.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Like.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  My biggest fears, my biggest fears are always just in the loop. So when it comes to performing, how it plays in that role. And also one thing OCD does make me personally, personally do is it means that if I'm not the, if I don't consider myself a certain standard at what I'm doing, I don't see the point in doing it. Or I don't, or I, I don't enjoy it because I'm like, well, I'm shit.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  So it's like everything either has to be perfect or it's not done.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Right. And that is something which, that's something which is, is actually very detrimental to me as a human being because it means that I can be very negative and very, and people interpret a lot of what I say is like, which, which, and I, I just said this somewhere to someone else, but I said like, people rightfully take my words and they obviously take them to mean exactly what I'm saying. But what I mean to say, whenever I say like, I'm shit at this, I'm shit, this is shit, this shit. Is that in my head, I have such a high standard. I want to be the best, but because I'm not the best yet, I, I don't have any way to word it other than just by saying, well, shit, can't be all the shit.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  I'm fucking crap. And I don't know whether, I, that is something that purely come, and that's something that's birthed from my OCD, from not being satisfied with anything less than perfect. So.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  So. All that to say, with performing, I love performing, yes. I love seeing the people in front of me. That's why I do it. Corny to say, but very much the true. But I, I love my fans, obviously. I love people singing my lyrics back. And obviously, you, the learning experience of going from somebody that was really shy to then becoming a better performer is amazing, enriching experience for me. But can I, when I speak very colloquially and informally to people about it, I don't talk about it in a positive way, no, because I don't. I just simply don't think I'm that good yet. So until I'm that good, then I'm always gonna be a bit like-

• 21:02Speaker 01

  I understand. So it's like, you can't be like-

• 21:04Speaker 02

  I can't be raring to go.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  You're like, if I'm not perfect, I'm not saying I'm great.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's what, and that is really one of my downfalls as a human being. It really sucks. Because it goes, because it goes with a lot of things that I do. It goes along with even some songs I put out. Like, genuinely, I'm very, very much, very, I'm very much a perfectionist, and it sucks. But we are here and we are working on it, honey.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  We are working on it.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  I'm 23, but that's like, the only thing in life I feel like, I, the only I'd say, it's like, I, other than my, like, that one, my OCD, I'm so perfectly like, oh, like, life is daisies and butterflies. But when that hits, god, it's trash. And I didn't know what it was, because I spent my whole life thinking, we're not getting into this conversation. But my, my point is, performing, Coachella, if I am so inclined one day to do it, I will be there. But I'm not going. Are you going?

• 21:54Speaker 01

  I am gonna go.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Who are you gonna see?

• 21:56Speaker 01

  I'm not seeing many, um, many people. I think I'm just gonna see Charlie-

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  And Gaga.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  You're seeing two artists, but you're traveling to Palm Springs?

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Well-

• 22:07Speaker 02

  I mean, very worth it, for the two you've mentioned.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  I think I'm gonna see Charlie and Gaga, and I think I'm gonna see, well, because I'm also working.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Oh, you're working, that's, okay.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  And I think I'm gonna see Post Malone. I would like to see Green Day.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  I'm here. I've seen them live. They're so good.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  I know.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  I love them.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  I watched 21 Guns.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. You kind of look a bit like Billy Joel Armstrong. Joe Armstrong.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Actually, like younger him.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Do you think he's fit?

• 22:37Speaker 02

  You know what? When he was younger, like he was kind of, there was something, there was some material there. There was some fabric that we could work with.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Right, right. So how long have you been producing music for?

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Since I was like seventeen.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  And how did you start?

• 22:51Speaker 02

  I was producing for a girl I went to school with. I thought that, well, she's, and she's really, she still makes music. She's really good. And I just really wanted to get involved. So I was like, let me produce. I didn't know how to, but I just learnt as we went.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  And it was fun.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  And then you just started putting them out on like the internet and stuff?

• 23:07Speaker 02

  So she would put it on Spotify, but it was for her music. It was her music. I was producing for her. She put it out on her Spotify. And then I got involved in my own stuff about a year later. And then we dropped it. Somebody leaked our project recently. From all those years back, they leaked it. And I was like.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Do you not, and how do you, how does it feel when your shit gets leaked?

• 23:25Speaker 02

  What a sentence.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  I don't enjoy it, but I'm not mad equally. I'm very, when it comes to the internet era of music, I'm very, as most people watching this, or you, or anyone that knows me on what I've said in the future, I'm very, very liberal when it comes to music and sharing and sampling. I'm very liberal.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah. Do you, so you started putting out your own stuff a year later. Um, what, what was the moment that was like, things were, was a shift? Was it when you put out Just For Me?

• 23:58Speaker 02

  I think it was when I put out Break It Off was when I was like, okay, this is like the beginnings. And then Just For Me was like another beginning. And then Pain started doing, so that was another one. It was really weird. It was kind of like, I was like, boink, boink, boink, boink. It was like, you know what I mean? And then like,

• 24:16Speaker 02

  it was funny because I wasn't, I, I wasn't, I was anonymous at this point. So it was very much music led.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  You were anonymous? Like you didn't show your face?

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Faceless.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  No way.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Faceless.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  And then when did you?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  I dissed when I was about twenty-one, I want to say. And actually, I really did do the whole, when I did the Boys Liar Part Two video. That was when it was really like, okay, this is her.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Oh, no way.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Did you know Boys Liar Part Two was gonna be?

• 24:44Speaker 02

  A big song?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Hmm, I didn't think about it.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  And I, yeah, and that's really the case with me, cause I, again, cause I'm very familiar with the internet era of music. It's so like, you never know. So I was just like, I'm just gonna expect nothing and just hope for the best.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Right. That's the best. That's the best.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  It really is the best.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  That's the best. I don't care what anyone says. Like, that is the best. If your expectations are set here, then they'll always be met.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  So true.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Is that horrible to say?

• 25:11Speaker 02

  No, that's OCD thinking.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Cheers. Eyes.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Oh, what's that? What's the eyes?

• 25:18Speaker 01

  It's like if you cheers without eyes, it's bad luck. See?

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Ah, ah, ah. So what, you can't walk under ladders?

• 25:24Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  Wa- walking on cracks, nothing?

• 25:28Speaker 01

  No, see, I haven't really thought about that.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  True.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  But like, the, the, under the ladders, I can't do.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Umbrellas and doors.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Umbrellas and doors I won't do. Um, I used to like, have to like, look at myself in the mirror 10 times over.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  And be like.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  And then I would have to like, um.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  I'm not laughing. I mean, listen.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  It's funny. It's funny.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  I've had to do some pretty, I've had a very micro phase of that kind of like, compulsion doing, a very micro phase of it. And I'm trying to remember what I used to do. Oh, you know what I used to do? I'm, I'm a very big maladaptive daydreamer. So sometimes, I, this is really like, okay, so what I would do is I'd pretend to be in the scenario, right? I, in, in real life, and I'd be like, acting as if some, like, I was acting like, when I was in high school, I like, I had a boyfriend, so I kind of like, you're going around in my house, like I had a boyfriend with me. And then if something in real life took me out of it, I would have to repeat, no, no, no, no, no, no, to like, remind myself that this isn't part of my own maladaptive daydream storyline in my head. So let's say my mom comes in.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  I'd have to, it was like, three, two, one, and scene. That was my, no, no, no.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Okay, got it, got it.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  It's a bit complicated.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  No, no, I actually very much understand that.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  My one compulsion.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I used to have to, um, pray every time I cursed.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Girl.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Do you still do that?

• 26:45Speaker 01

  No, but I would like, literally speak in tongue.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Oh, ah.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, like.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  I kind of hear it.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  I would be like.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Homalay.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Fuck. And then I would be like.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll pass the eyes.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  And I'm not even Christian, so like, it was super random.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh my god, that's the biggest gag of all.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Wait, I'm curious about your writing process.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Um, how do you start a song? How do you like, cause a lot of some artists that I've spoken to, like they view it as kind of like formulaic where they'll like write certain the verse and then the chorus and then, but does, does your song, does it just like, how do you, how does it come to you?

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Um, for me, it comes from hearing the beat first. Whether I've made the beat myself or I'm, there's a producer that's given me a beat. Um, I have to get familiar with the beat. Once that happens, then I kind of do melody passes with my voice. I'm like, mm, you know? And then, um, once that's been figured out, then lyrics come last to me.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Lyrics come last?

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel like most people are like lyrics first or something.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  No, that's, I've heard both.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  I've heard both.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Suck.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Do you have a favorite song that's you've had like the most fun producing and writing?

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Fun? Oh, Angel, which I made for the Barbie movie.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  That's a great one. What was so fun about it?

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Being in that studio, you know what's so funny? You know who came in was, and I, this just kills me, is Charlie Puth randomly came in. And I, it was just.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  It was just so funny and random. I was like, okay, like he's in the room. Love it, love it, love it, love it. And, um, he is such an eccentric, like his personality is honestly, I've never been around somebody so eccentric before. Very interesting, but he is in, I mean, as we all know, genius. He's kind of like, I mean, I don't even know if I could even say this, but he's kind of like AI in a person musically. Like if you, like you need something musically done, he can calculate in his head exactly what chord that should be.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Really?

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  This like, he played a chord and I was like, this might be the best chord I've ever heard in my life. And that was, we kept it in.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  And he was very cool. He was like, you know, you don't even need a, you don't even need a credit me or be in the, in the, in the producer cuts and stuff. And I was like.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  And then he whisked away into the night, never to be seen again.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  What'd you think?

• 29:10Speaker 02

  He's a, you know, he's a very helpful in the studio, really cool experience and very random. And that was really fun. And then we had a random Irish jig come into it and it was just such a fun song and I loved it.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  How long have you been making Fancy Dot for? Cause you say you do it really quick.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  August last year. It was actually done last year. It's been done since like November. But we wanted to save it for at least this year.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Okay. And then what, like, do you have like, when you create a mixtape or an album, like, do you have an overall theme?

• 29:42Speaker 02

  It's funny, I don't go into, well, I wouldn't say that I'm the most purposeful when it comes to themes. I am very, I try and to be as consistent, I'm more consistent with, well, I try and be more consistent with my, this, the references to the sonics, if that makes sense. So like the beats or the drums or the, like, if I want a certain tempo, then I kind of try and kind of stick to a certain tempo or a feel. But themes so much, my lyrics, I, they are all pretty, some of them are pretty sad. And I didn't necessarily have a theme that I wanted to necessarily completely exude when it came to my last album. But people kind of, but there was a lot of songs where I was talking about death and that, that was something which I guess I consciously did.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  So that ended up kind of being the theme, death. And then with this one, I wanted it to be not that. Like more like fun and mature. So this one, actually, I was like, yes, this is me being a lot more purposeful with my, cause as a musician, I feel like every, every musician's priority is different with their music. My priority with my music is always really the way it sounds.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  And then the feeling that I give off when I sing and the feeling of it, I'm not too necessarily anal about like, this lyric means this and this, this, it's all feelings.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Okay. So you're way more like, you're way more of a like a sonic person.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Got it, got it, got it. Cause I have friends that like, don't listen to the lyrics. My best friend Alice is like, I don't do lyrics. Like I just do like,

• 31:11Speaker 02

  The feeling of the way it sounds.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  How it sounds. Did you, oh, when, okay. So you said you used to work at Marks and Spencer's.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  In the men's department.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Oh. Well, what was your favorite meal from there?

• 31:24Speaker 02

  What a question.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Because how do they make all of those meals every day?

• 31:29Speaker 02

  The duck and hoisin wrap was my favorite. And how do they make it every day? What are you talking about? The ready meal section?

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Yes, there's every cuisine. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Like, you mean, which factory are they?

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, how is it happening that fast?

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Love. Oh, you know what is the best is the salt and pepper chicken.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Oh, that sounds good. Do you like Wagamama?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  See, I was gonna bring this up when we were having the whole it's suicide thing, but yes, that is my favorite, one of my favorites.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  The chicken, uh, yeah, the katsu curry.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  See, that's a, not even to be that bitch, but that is, those are rookie numbers. We need to get you on to the yakisoba.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  I've had the yakisoba.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  No, I've had the yakisoba. I've had the katsu curry. I've had like a chili ramen.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  No, I'm well versed.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  What about the starters? Are you getting the beef brisket pop buns?

• 32:17Speaker 01

  No, I'm getting the squid, the crispy squid.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  The crispy bits.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  You are, you have impressed me today. You are, you are my, yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yes. No, I'm telling you, I'm like well versed in London food.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Amazing. That's good. People hate English London food.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Um, I've never in my life had better Indian food in my life.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Thank God you said that because let me tell you, the people I've had to convince.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  What? I feel like it's like a known fact.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  But people aren't convinced.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  I went to this restaurant called Jamavar.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Have you been? Mayfair.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Okay, I will go.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Eight.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Blew your mind.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. First of all, the biryani, the biryani in London is so different than the biryani here because it's like a puff pastry at the top and then they have to like.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  And we have poppadoms.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, poppadom is my favorite thing in the entire world. It's my favorite thing in the entire world.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Poppadoms.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  I love poppadoms. They are my favorite thing.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  It's my favorite thing.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  With the little chutney.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, like a mango chutney or the green.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yes, I love Indian food from the UK. I mean, I love Indian food everywhere I go, but really, the UK does it so good because there's a certain sweetness that there is to those dishes over there. I don't know. But you can't replicate it.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  You can't.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  You can't.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  And like, I tried to get biryani here the other week and it like wasn't in like a, it was like, it's like, it's almost like it's served in like a pot pie-esque puff pastry and they like, oh, and they cut it around.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Damn, I've never had the biryani, honestly.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  I've never had a biryani. I'm really basic when it gets to that stuff.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  What do you got? I love korma, I love lamb korma.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Same, same, same, same. I love chicken korma.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  I like lamb korma and chicken tea masala.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yes, go off.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Shrimp coconut curry.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  We're saying this like we're naming the niches things, we're naming like.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  I know.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  But it's true though.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  So fire.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  It is so good.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  A little bit of coconut rice in the side.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Oh, wow, yeah, the food, I love the food in London personally.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Good, good. No one says that.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  I know no one says that, but they're just maybe not going to the right places.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Or they're just so biased against it. People, really, I've noticed people hate British people over here. They hate us. They're like, or they make, or they say stuff, they'll be like, they'll be like, I'll see loads of tweets that's like, um, realizing Pink's British, I can't listen to her anymore.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  What?

• 34:25Speaker 02

  I'm like.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Wait, why do people not like British people? I love British people.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  I think it's, I don't know if it's like a fake thing I'm seeing online, or if it's real life too, but yeah, people make fun of us, but it's fine. I'm sure we don't mind too much.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Do I stick together?

• 34:37Speaker 02

  We try.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  You do?

• 34:38Speaker 02

  We do.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Wait, so you said you, uh, took the mask off in twenty twenty one. What was like the decision making that went into that?

• 34:45Speaker 02

  For the betterment, for the advancement of my career and also just, I think there was a point where I was like, I know I'm going to want to get credited.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  I, I know I'm gonna one day want to have a face to the name, so I felt like doing that made sense.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Was it scary?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  It was a bit scary. I was, I was actually kind of concerned people was gonna call me ugly or something.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And they didn't, but, and honestly, I wouldn't have cared if they did. The fear was more so like doing a face reveal and then somehow it affected my career, genuinely.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  I get that. You have to think about it from all angles.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  This episode of Therapist is brought to you by Booking.com. Booking dot, yeah. I am finally back from France, or at least I should be by the time this airs. So, we used Booking.com to book a lot of our stay in France because everybody has different like needs and it was very difficult for us to go hotel by hotel. Um, so on Booking.com, we just put in what everybody wants. Like if somebody wants a lot of mirrors or somebody wants a bunch of pillows or, yeah, I know that sounds stupid, but it really is like. People are very particular when it comes to picking a hotel for vacation and booking.com makes it so easy. More so, I know it is about to save my life for the rest of tour because we are going to get to these places. And once again, Matt is going to have nowhere booked. So it's just very easy in the morning. We'll wake up, he'll put in exactly what we want.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  And which, and I always say we need to be walk, walking distance somewhere so we can always walk. Because obviously I don't drive and he'll put that in in the morning and book us all rooms and it'll be the easiest thing ever. Booking.com just really makes booking a stay or a vacation so easy. You can book car rentals if you want to drive. I obviously don't, but some people do. Um, really and truly booking.com has made booking my trip to France, which hopefully again I am back from. Um, so much easier and it has made this tour so much less stressful because I don't ever have to worry about where we're sleeping. Um, because I know that booking.com will always find something for me. Find exactly what you're booking for at booking.com. Booking dot, yeah, book now on the site or in the app today.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  I mean, I think a lot of people were very pleasantly surprised. I don't know.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  For some reason I didn't realize it was in 2021. I always thought like, uh, I know, okay, 2021. That feels so much closer than it actually is. I'm like thinking it feels like a year ago and I'm like, but you've been on the scene for like four years. And then I'm realizing 2021 was four years ago.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  It's funny because I feel like my career, I'm funny as an artist. There's a few artists as well like this and usually a lot of my favorite artists look like this. I am an artist that I'm, I'm very happy to like take a little period off and come back. I'm not always like boom, boom, boom, boom, in your face, in your face. And that's something I chose by design as well. I don't want to. No.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  It's not, I don't think it's very good.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Do you, do you like, is making music still a fun pastime for you? Or is it like now that it's your job, like you're like, okay, I don't want to do this right now when I'm off.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Well, no, I, I, I, there was a moment where I feared it would be that. And then I took a break and then I was like, this is just what I needed, just what the doctor ordered. Because then I came back into it and I was like, God, I'm so inspired.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  So yeah, which is good.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  What do you do on your breaks?

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Nothing fruitful. I'll tell you now, I don't.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't go on holidays. I don't go on holidays. I've never been on holiday. Have you been on holiday? When was your last holiday?

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Um, like, okay, no work, right? Like no work.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  This is a holiday.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  For the.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Today?

• 38:20Speaker 01

  No, I went skiing for the first time ever in January.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Where'd you go?

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Corsevel.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Is that in America?

• 38:27Speaker 01

  It's in France.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  Never in my life, and that was probably the first holiday I've taken in a minute.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. That sounds really fun, actually. I mean, I'm, I, I wouldn't, I haven't been skiing, I'm not gonna lie. I don't know if it's for me, but.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  That's what I thought, too. It's really, it was really good for my mental health.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Oh, good.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Yes, because you're like, okay, so I was really scared to do it.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  And I went with my best friend's family, the British ones, and.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  You guys are flipping best friends, actually.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  No, I know, we do everything together.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Oh my god, me and my best friend are like that, too.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Really?

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's, yeah.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  What star sign?

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Is she or me?

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Well, you're an Aries. What's she?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  What is she? I don't know anything about.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  She's a Virgo?

• 39:02Speaker 02

  She is my actual best friend. I just don't know anything about star signs.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  I'm a Scorpio, and my best friend Alice is a Pisces, so we're like.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I didn't know her flipping star sign.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Scorpio and Pisces are like, what are you? Yeah, yeah. Ooh. Oh, how interesting is that?

• 39:17Speaker 02

  How do you memorize all of this?

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Mem- what do you mean memorize?

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Because in order to know that, that, that anything.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Like, I know that Scorpio and Pisces go together because my best friend is Pisces, and like, it's a thing where like, we are together.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Okay, but when someone says like, I'm a Capricorn rising, how would you know how to react?

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Okay, so Capricorn are very like regimented, and they're very like, like, like, uh, like get shit done.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Got you.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  And so their rising is like the mask you portray to the world. So like, my rising's a Gemini, so like, I come off very chatty, or like, very like, social. But like, that's not who I actually am.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  So wait, what's, would it be for Aries if I'm, what am I?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Aries are very fiery. They're very like.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  I am quite fiery.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're very like, uh, like, people can describe them as like, um, uh, very blunt. Yeah.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Oh, I fear that's me.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  It kind of read me up and down. Wait, what's my, mm, rising? She knows everything.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  So your Capricorn rising is why you are so, in addition to also it being your OCD, but it's why you're such a perfectionist.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Wow, wow, wow, wow, we are. That's really good information.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  I might have just made that up, but it's what I think.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  No, I'm joking. That sounds right, honestly. And honestly, that's all very interesting. The only reason why I get shocked when people know all these things is because I'm like, which part of your brain do you store this information?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  I used to be addicted to like memorizing things when I was little.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  You, you, you, you got that. You got that OCD.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to memorize library cards.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  My brother, actually, funny, my grandma told me this the other day.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I saw you.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  And then you were like, where's yours? Well, have they got names?

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Yes, that's Patrick.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  And what's this?

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Cassandra.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Oh, that's good.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Right? Cassandra's like, you know, I haven't, um, I need to take her to the dry cleaner.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Really? It smells really good.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  No, Patrick's clean.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Cassandra's been on planes. She's come with me on tour.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. On tour?

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, because you, oh, okay. I did see that. That's really good.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  I, I love it. But I get, have you done like a full-fledged tour before?

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get that.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  So is it not scary?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  It's terrifying.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  You've got a harder job than I do. Yes.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Why do you say that?

• 41:39Speaker 02

  Well, I'm imagining your tours as you like.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Talking.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  That is difficult to do on stage.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  It's just, it kills when you say something that you think is so funny and everyone's like. Yeah, like it's horrible and you have to then, my, uh, my escape from that is acknowledging that it missed.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I used to do, but now I kind of just allow it to not.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Right. What do you mean? Like?

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Like, I used to do the same thing when like, if I say something, because I say so much stuff.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  So, and a lot of what I think I'm hilarious, obviously.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  You are fucking hysterical.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  No, you didn't need to agree with me. Thank you. I wasn't, what I'm saying is I wasn't trying to fish right then, but.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  But, but you caught one.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, that's not what I'm trying. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I think that I'm funny. And then I'll say something. And then obviously, especially in America, because I'm British and we have actually a different sense of humor. We just have a different sense of humor, I feel like. There's crossover.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  There's crossover. It's way more dry.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  It's a lot more dry and it's harder to tell when someone's telling a joke. So I'll say something. And also I feel like I think things are funny and they're just not to be fair. And like silence, but I used to do the acknowledgement. I used to be like, so none of you found that funny? But now I'm just like.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Right, but I think it's funny when you acknowledge.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  It is funny when you acknowledge stuff. It is funny.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think because now I think people think I'm like, like really weird.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  What? I think you, honest to God, I, I think you are one of the funniest guests we've had on.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  I don't think I'm weird. I think I'm, I think, I, I just think a lot of Americans, because of the timing, are like, oh, I don't know if she's joking or not, and I think they think that I'm a bit like off kilter. Whereas back in the UK, it's like we are all like, like this isn't weird. So I'm trying, but thank you for saying I'm funny. Yeah. You didn't know what we were going in for then, did you? I'm gonna trick you.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  No, no. Okay, let's move on. What next?

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm having a really fucking fun time with you.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Are you having a fun time?

• 43:40Speaker 02

  I feel like we're on a date.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  I also feel like we're on a date and like, it's one of those things. I.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  I feel like we've really just developed a new friendship.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  With each other.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry. I thought you were gonna say romance. That's okay.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Well, this is like a friend date.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Right. I just, I think I thought it was something different.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Anyway, but uh, yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna ask, I don't think, I'm really excited to ask you this.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  What are you therapist about today?

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Oh, therapist. What am I mad at in the world? What, what aren't I? Let's, let me not, let me, let me, let me, let me um, personalize this. So I'm not talking about something we'll talk about for years and years to come in this podcast, but personally, what am I therapist about in my own life?

• 44:35Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say anything about myself, because I want to be nice to myself today.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 44:40Speaker 01

  I was so nasty to myself this weekend.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Ew, that's peak. And, but I know how it is, and that's me every, a lot of the time.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  I was like, wait, I feel ugly, so I went home.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Oh, not, you left somewhere?

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  I was like, I looked in the mirror and I was like, I'm gonna go home.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then I went home and I watched TV and I had, and it was amazing.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Well, that's good. You went home and you, and you did the right things, but.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  And then, and then I FaceTimed my friends, I FaceTimed my friend and they told me, they were like, wait, you look really good, without even me fishing, I didn't even say like, I love, because I look ugly. And then I was like, I just go.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  It sucks. I know exactly the feeling and I, I know that feeling so well. But, um, yes, what am I terri pissed about? I'm trying to think what this week has really gotten, got to me. I don't really, um, let me get, no, let me get to.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Do you want me to go first?

• 45:24Speaker 02

  You go first.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  I'm pissed about traffic on a Sunday.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I was gonna say.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:29Speaker 02

  I was gonna say traffic, on specifically the day of today, because I thought it was a weekend, so I thought, or I thought it was Sunday, so there would be less people on the roads, but there are more people. Isn't that strange?

• 45:37Speaker 01

  No, it was nine PM last night and I was stuck in traffic and I was listening to This Is Nicki Minaj for three hours.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Naturally.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  And it was, it was amazing, but like, it was also horrible, because like, we were in bumper to bumper traffic and it was nine PM on a Sunday and I was listening to White Lotus.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  That's just so shit.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say, okay, on that strain, I guess I'm terri pissed about, um, oh goodness, goodness, goodness, goodness. I'm gonna say, uh, I need to cut my hair, it's really long. So underneath this hair, this is a wig, I, I, I wanna show you kind of slightly, but I don't want the camera to slip up on everything.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Do you wanna, do you wanna hide?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  There you go, you see that?

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's shorter.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  So you see this, this is my natural hair underneath. This is a reveal. I've never done that before.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  And I, and I feel like a lot of people are now gonna not be able to unsee, but yes, my natural hair underneath is really short, like.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  And what, what is the length, like here?

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Oh, like yours, literally.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  And then, what, why do you need to cut it?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Because it's too long, because that, that's the thing about.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  It doesn't work with wigs then?

• 46:38Speaker 02

  It does, well, for me, you don't wanna, it's just, there's a whole, listen, this is a whole, there's a whole climate in here, and I'm telling you, if the hair's too long, then it bunches too much and it makes the wig look too thingy, so you kind of need to like.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  And look, even right now, I'm like, I've been watching my thing. I'm like, there's a fucking kind of bump going, and it's annoying me. But like, again, we're being nice to ourselves.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  We are being nice to ourselves.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  So, and I've never said that, but maybe you were the catalyst I needed to realise, like, being nice to yourself is so.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  I think you were the catalyst I needed to realise that, because I made a video this weekend that was like, normalise, uh, calling yourself ugly.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  And then I was like, wait.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Like, why should we?

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Why am I the problem?

• 47:18Speaker 02

  That's one, I will say, actually, that's very interesting. My, so is a lot of your, like, when you're like, God, I feel like, is it a lot to do with when you look inside the mirror? And you're like, I wanna go.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  It's just like, everything. Like, it's like the mirror, it's like, how I feel in my own skin. It's like, oh, I feel gross. Like, I feel like, and then when I'm out, I'm like, I feel like I'm constantly like, looking for a partner. And if I'm like, if I'm feeling ugly, it's like, I don't want.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Oh, like, you're looking for some, are you looking to date right now?

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Desperately.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Really?

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Desperately.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  I don't know why I thought that you were somewhere, some, I don't know why I thought you were in a relationship. I don't know why you were giving that, but that's, actually, I thought you would have mentioned it. You would have said, like, my boyfriend or something.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would have. I've never had a boyfriend.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  I mean, twenty five, I mean, what, there's no rush.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  I haven't had sex in two years.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  But what's the problem?

• 48:07Speaker 01

  What's the problem? I can't find anyone.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  No, no, not the, what's the, I mean, like, so you, you're really try, you're really trying to get in that bedroom, huh?

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  There's people you can call, but.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  I'm desperate.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  Aside from that, there are so many people for you out here.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  I've got, my, my roommate actually might be interested.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  What?

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Well, if you like, yeah, if you like, uh, he's kind of tall, though.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  I love a tall guy.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Okay, I might do that.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Set me up.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  I might do that. That'd be really nice, because he's also looking for somebody right now.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 48:40Speaker 02

  He is. Listen, I'll make sure it works. You, you're both cute. He's cute. You're cute. Why not?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Why not?

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Something fun for the girls.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  For the summer.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Summer romance, and we can go on double dates, because I'm, you know.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  In a relationship?

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  We can cut it.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  I am. I mean, I already said on TikTok.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did. But not too much. But yeah, well, we're gonna listen. L A, actually, I thought was good for dating.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my. Says who?

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Well, no, not me. But I've never. I don't really date in L A. But you. Is there not a lot of gays looking for love? There's so many. And I'm literally like, tell me.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Like, you would think so.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  But they're just not for you.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  You know what it is? They're all twinks.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  And you're not into that?

• 49:33Speaker 01

  I think.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Well, you are. You are the.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Oh, got you.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Like, I'm looking for like a top.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  True.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  They're few and far between in L A.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Got you. Got you. And if there are, they're taken.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  And then if there are, everyone's like.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Going for them.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Have you seen the Hunger Games?

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  You know, the cornucopia?

• 49:54Speaker 02

  So that's what it's giving. It actually is definitely giving that, to be honest, from what I've seen and heard. But no, that's um. Magic. Magical. You're gonna find somebody.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Two years, huh?

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Two years, yeah.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  But like, can I actually say something?

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Please.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Is not. I would put it this way. I wouldn't mind a two. If someone said two years break, I wouldn't say no.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  But you've at least like.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  I know. No, I get what you're saying. Like, the option's there, but I'm saying, like, a break is good. Go back into it. And it's been a while and you're just like.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  I know. But like, for me, it'll be like, ow.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Got you. I understand what you're saying.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Like, you know what I mean?

• 50:45Speaker 02

  I do get. Well, in so many words, I get what you're saying, yeah. Got you.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Got you. Before I let you leave.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Not that. What is this?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  It's the tell, it's, it's nothing crazy.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  It's just to tell me what's wrongs. So the pussies write in and they tell us what's wrong and we give them advice.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Where did your name come from, actually?

• 51:02Speaker 01

  What? Pussy? Um, so, okay, I reviewed octopus, like I love eating octopus.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  Ridiculous.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Yes, and so I would go, hi pussies, and they, hi Jake, tense up, like tentacles up. And I would eat octopus and I'd rate it out of eight because they have eight tentacles. So I'd be like seven out of eight tentacles.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  You really enjoy eating octopus. I've never had it. Wait, where's the best place to get it? Nobu?

• 51:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  Who?

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Chaconi's West Hollywood.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Is amazing.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Angelini is amazing. Uh, there's a place in Florence that's incredible.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Uh, one time I went to, uh, what's it called in, in London? Hakasan?

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I love that place.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Me too. I got the best octopus from there.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Okay, I must try.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  I know. Am I so well versed in London food? Are you kinda gagged?

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Wait, so you, did they know I was coming in or is it like for every, okay, goes for anyone, good.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Good.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  For anyone. Cause I like to leave things up for surprise.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Like that?

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. This one guy is leading me on and trying to get with me, but his girlfriend is my, is my, is, she's kinda my friend. How do I handle this without being messy?

• 52:11Speaker 01

  It's ma, it's a mess.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  I mean, you can just, can we not silently reject the man?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  And call it a day? Wait, is that, that does apply, that could.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yes, and he's, he's lying to his current girl.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Silently reject.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  You know what I would prescribe?

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Wow, you really do have

• 52:33Speaker 02

  a vocab here.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Boy's a liar, part two.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Ah, to like listen to and like, yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Cause he's a liar.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  True. The girl, the girl that he's going for should listen to it, yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  And gets the motivation to just.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  I mean, no, I mean, why, so does she, I mean, I would love to know more about this separately. Does she like him back or something?

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Yes, she wants to go for him even though he's in a relationship with her friend.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Then, yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  I always think about what I would do in this situation, but I've never been in a situation where I fancy. As soon as I know someone's in a relationship, I'm like, you're not cute anymore.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Oh, because they're a liar?

• 53:07Speaker 02

  No, because they're in a relationship.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Like, I just turn it off.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Really?

• 53:11Speaker 02

  I'm done here. Yeah, my mission, my work is done.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I get jealous.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Do you? I turned off my jealousy receptors when I went to a girl's school.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Turned them right off. I said nah. Nah. I genuinely haven't, I've, I've, but that's something, that's something that comes with OCD. That is a, that's an OCD thing for me personally, yeah, because ERP, you have to learn how to filter which, which thoughts you want to enter, enter the consciousness.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  What's ERP?

• 53:37Speaker 02

  ERP is a form of therapy for OCD.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Exposure therapy, yep.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  So I did a lot of that, so I can choose, I'm very lucky, by the way, this is a very lucky thing to have, I can choose which thoughts to dwell on. Jealousy, I said, uh, uh, we are done here, when I was like year nine.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  I think I need to go to your ERP.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's, it does, it's, it's hard, it's hard, but once you get it, it's, you get it.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  I used to not be able to add songs to playlists, so my exposure therapy.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Swear to God, my exposure therapy used to be adding a song to the playlist and letting it sit there.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  Really?

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Yep, and I would sit there for thirty minutes, and she'd be like, how are you feeling?

• 54:12Speaker 02

  That's, that's really cool, actually, I'm like, kind of gagged by that. Mine would be, uh, what would it be? It would be talking about like, uh, like existentialism and like, uh, what was it? She'd like, she would make me like, talk about being older.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Oh, got it, you're so young.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Well, thank you.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  You are.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Thank, I mean, thank you, why, there's, it's a fact, okay. I don't know why I said thank you.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  My friends are all really fun and match my vibe, but one of us is the star of the friend group, and I can't take it anymore. She's annoying about it too, and I don't know if I'm jealous, or if it's just getting out of hand at this point. Help?

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Well, I've been in this situation.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  There's definitely a way that you could, but this is the thing. I, again, are learning not to be jealous. You learn to realize that some people have a natural star power. And I hate this word, but aura.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Some people have a certain-

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Why you hate that word?

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Because that word has been ruined by bloody social media, TikTok, whatever. It's been ruined. It's now a corny turn of phrase in my book. But it kind of has, like, I learnt that some people naturally have it and some people naturally don't. But the thing is, if you don't have it, then you can't hate on someone for having it. So the girl writing this in, you have to look inwards and think, is it because I just am not necessarily as vocal or as like quote unquote fun or as mystical as said person? Or is it because she's doing too much?

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  She needs to figure that out. Because if they're doing too much, then girl, leave the friendship group or tell her and be like, get out.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Calm the fuck down.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Do you watch, do you watch The White Lotus?

• 55:47Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Okay. Did you see the finale last night? Okay, so what I'm gonna bring up is there is a monologue in the finale last night, uh, where Carrie Coon is like, so the, there's this group of three girls throughout the show and they all talk shit about each other the entire time and they bitch about each other and they fight. And then in the finale, Carrie Coon comes to this realization. What, what, like, would you, sorry, am I spoiling for you, Louise? Yeah, but. Oh.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Okay. There is, there's, she comes to this like really beautiful realization where she's like, I don't know, what would you say it was like? Yeah, she's like, our friendship matters, like, even if we're just doing nothing, like, it feels deep to me. And then she like, gets past the point, and there's like this star of the friend group, her name is Jacqueline, and she's like, and she looks at Jacqueline and she's like, I'm really happy that you have a beautiful face. And she turns to this other girl and is like, I'm happy you have a beautiful life, um, and I'm just happy to be at the table.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  And so I would maybe recommend that.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Well, that's good.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  It was really moving.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  I, I-

• 56:48Speaker 01

  I cried.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  No, I didn't, sorry, but I teared up. Because-

• 56:52Speaker 02

  The very subtle lie that, well.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Do you lie comfortably?

• 56:57Speaker 01

  No, see, but I told you right after. See, I said I lied, I cried.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  See, that's me too. I do say, and I call it a prank. Anyway, I do, I do, I do, I do.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  I pranked you.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  You did prank me a little bit.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  No, I never, I am so uncomfortable lying because, well, back to my OCD, I always feel the need to over explain myself and over tell the truth, so I can't lie.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  That's so true. Otherwise, then you're a bad person if you lie too much. Yeah, okay. Okay, boom. What, yeah, I already answered the question. I mean, like, friendship groups are a bit peak, though. That's, I really do love just a one-on-one best friend. Couple, I've got a few best friends, love them, but a little circle.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Do you find it hard to make friends after you've chosen this as a career?

• 57:36Speaker 02

  I think it's harder for me to meet people, but I think that I, I'm somebody where if I meet someone and there's a gel, I don't let them go.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Do you feel that way?

• 57:47Speaker 02

  If they'll have me.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Do you feel that way about us?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Cause I do.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  That's really cute. And honestly, I would definitely love to join you guys's friendship group and be the star.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  And be that star that you're looking for. No, I'm joking. I think you're great. I think you're really fun. And yeah, I don't, I would, listen, we're gonna be getting, uh, no boo at some point, no?

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, you said this octopus was bad from there.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  It's not great.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, you know where we should go, actually?

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Where?

• 58:12Speaker 02

  And I'm actually being so serious about going.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Where?

• 58:14Speaker 02

  I'm joking. Kyokaku.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  I love Kyokaku.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  I love.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the best.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Kyokaku.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Do you like Korean barbecue as well?

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Okay, so across the street from Kyokaku in Beverly Hills.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  I know.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Janwa.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  I know.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  That's my favorite place in LA.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Okay, so we'll set it up?

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Imagine if I got all managers to set that up for us? That's. That's.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  That's.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  I see.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  I want to become a singer slash songwriter and I don't know where to start, or if I should tell anyone. My family and friends aren't exactly the biggest artist type of people. Any advice?

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Don't tell them then, like, don't tell them. Like, honestly, I, this is the advice I give to so many, because a lot of people have the same issue. Um, and my advice is don't tell these people. I, because I knew it was gonna hold me back if people knew in my life, because they're also not musical people, you know?

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Your family?

• 59:06Speaker 02

  My family and my friends.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  And I was worried about judgment. And so for me, don't, I blocked them off everything. I didn't tell them, kept it a damn secret. And I allowed myself to blossom in private. And there's no thing I love more in life than a secret. I love well-kept secrets, God.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Really? Are you a good secret keeper?

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  I mean, I, yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  I love when people have secret passions that aren't illegal.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Okay, wait, so you, how long were you able to keep this from your family and friends for?

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Honestly, a, a good while, like, it's, no, you know what's so funny? It was, it was about one month after pain had like taken off. And like my friend sent it to me and was like, this sounds like you. And I was like, it's not me.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Shut the fuck up.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  That was one thing. And then I, and then I, and the same as you, I'm like, I can't lie, I can't lie. So I had to be like, actually, it is me.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Were they like, I'm gagged?

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Were they like, I'm gagged?

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Weirdly enough, I actually, they weren't that gagged. They were kind of just like, oh, that's really cool. Good for you. I was like, fair enough, actually. I'm really happy at that reaction. I'm, I don't, I will say I don't do things for reaction.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Okay, but you had a Hannah Montana, you lived Hannah Montana.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Kind of. Got the wig too.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  That's fucking awesome.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Another, that's another receptor I had to turn off. I had to turn off the caring about appearance, like people commenting on your appearance or me uh, bashing my own appearance. I had to turn it off. It's gone. I, I can't remember what it feels like.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Can I ask how you turn them off?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  For me, it's just every thought that comes in. Like, let's say I'm looking at myself, I'm like, um, I'd say for me, it's about when the thought comes in, it's about letting the subconscious thought come in, but literally not letting yourself, like your conscious thought dwell on the thought. Because you know how thoughts go like this? You get the, this, this, this is how thoughts work. You get the subconscious thought and then your conscious brain is like, Questioning that thought, it's like, well, I'm not actually that ugly. Well, my best friend said I was really pretty today, so I can't actually be that ugly. Or you'll take selfies to try and, these are the compulsions. You take selfies, looking at them back, da da da da da. Once you cut all of that out, once you don't, one, if you get the thought, I look kind of ugly today.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  And then you cut out all of the compulsion part to like make yourself feel better, like you will ne- I promise you like the thoughts will very much either dim down completely or they'll go. This isn't for everyone, though. I, I, this is-

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  I think that is some of the most poignant advice ever given on this show.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Girl, like it's, girl, it changed, like this is the only way I can live is like doing that.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  That is amazing. I, oh, that reminds me of a quote I saw once that was like, uh, emotions are like people on the street. Like you don't have to acknowledge them.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Exactly. I think a lot of people, I will say, the, the, the only reason why I'm saying like, it's only, I, it's not every brain that, that can comprehend this kindness. And I'm not saying I'm different. I'm not, I'm not. I had to train myself for years and years. So it's not something that you can like do. Like you really, it's like, I, and I went through a lot of BS thinking wise.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  And a lot of time by myself to figure it out. But yeah, I mean, damn, like, anyone can do ERP and it really helps anyone. Like you don't need to have OCD to ERP.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Anyone can do it.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Wow, I think I'm gonna try to practice that tonight, cause I have a, an event I'm going to and I'm really anxious about it and I'm gonna feel ugly.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Exactly. Try it tonight. Like, look in that mirror and kind of be like, okay, I'm having these here, but actually, this is what it feels like. It feels like this.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  What was that just then?

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  That was silence.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  So that silence, that is exactly what you, that's what your brain should be thinking when you get that thought.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Oh, can we try one more time?

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Allow your subconscious to call you ugly right now.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  And then practice what we're doing.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  So freeing. Just like, wait, shut up.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  It's like, wait, shut up.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it kind of, well, it kind of is treating them like they're nothing.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. But listen, yeah, it's not for everybody, but if you struggle, then it's good. It's good for anxiety.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  I've been in a situationship for 3.5 years.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  And we finally had a real talk about feelings. And then the next week, he had a new girlfriend. Should I tell her and how?

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Well, we can't know unless we have the, we don't know what was in the contents of the conversation. Because what if they decided that they weren't right for each other? I mean, a week later, though, fuck, you know? I mean,

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  that might mean that he was cheating, though, if there was overlap. Should she tell her? No.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  I don't think so either.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  No, because what?

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Because, yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  No, only tell if there's overlap that you are very, that you can discern.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  So maybe do some detective work and see if there was overlap.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  For me personally, I'm not doing that detective work, honey. I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed like this.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Good night.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  Very silently and very comfortably. But if I find out there's overlap, of course I'm going to tell someone. Of course I'm telling you. Hell, yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Hi, Jake and gorgeous guest.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  How do I get over a friendship breakup with a group of 11 girls? Oh, my God. I didn't do anything wrong. I just drifted away from the friend group. I've been friends with some of them since I was five and I've spent my whole life with them.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  11?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  I know we can't be friends forever. I know we can't be friends forever, but I feel like I can't even state my case. They keep avoiding me. Oh, my God. I have been there.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  11 girls?

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  No, less, but I have been there and it is genuinely the most heart wrenching, worst feeling I've ever experienced.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  Like having to leave a friendship group?

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  No, like being left. And is what this is. Like what this sounds like is like she drifted and then they were like, we're done. And now they won't tell her why. It's so immature. Like, you really just have to tell yourself, like, if they're behaving this way, like I, this isn't who I'm going to want to be around.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Well, actually, this is something that I came to reckon with girl school. Girl school. I learned everything about life in that place. I'm being so serious. And I will say, for me, it's as simple as. Choosing not to be friends with people that treat people so disposably, if that makes any sense. And this isn't just friends, this can also be your boyfriend, girlfriend, lovers, any type of lover or friend or anyone in your life that you can tell treats things very

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Disposable.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  At their disposal.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  I can't, and there are signs where you can tell.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Like, what are some of the signs?

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Like, not being able to tell friends, I mean, this isn't also a must, by the way. These are my signs, these are my personal signs which I look for when I'm looking for a close friend. I like friends that say they love me.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  Uh huh, me too.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  I like, I like friends that can, it's not a required thing, but I like people that can laugh at themselves. When they're with me.

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Self-deprecation is key.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  You have to be able to laugh at yourself, but you also have to laugh at me. I actually, funny, this is quite controversial, a lot of people don't understand why I do this. I only really like friends, not really like, sorry, but my best friend, the way that, the reason my best friend is because she literally kind of like bullied me.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. She's not gonna like me for this, but she knows exactly what I mean, she bullied me into being a better version of myself.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  I have similar situations.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  She bullied me into, like, I'm telling you, like, she wouldn't let me get away with anything. And what, and the reason why this is good, I mean, some people say it's bad, for me, the reason it was good was because it stopped me being a little, a little, what do you call it, it stopped me being super sensitive. It taught me the ability to joke at myself, it taught me the ability to like, uh, I mean, exactly that, take a joke. It taught me to take a joke, taught me to, that's not to say that everything's a flipping joke, there are obviously some things we have to take seriously in life, but when it comes to me, if you're poking fun at me, I'm, like, I have no choice but to take it as a joke.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  I, I just can't, like, I, even, that's why, exactly with the internet comments, like, I can deal with being a a person in a public eye now, because if somebody says, oh, she's mid, oh, she's ugly, oh, she's this, she's fat, she's what, I'm like, I, I don't have the receptor again to care anymore, I'm like, it's gone.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  I've already had this growing up, like, my, sorry, my best friend wasn't saying anything of the sort to me like that, but even having her, like, me wearing some trousers and she's like, Like that's even-

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  So it's like sisters and she was like sisterly, like she had you grow thick skin.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Yes, that's exactly what it is. And I'm so thankful and I love her for that because she taught me the element of humor genuinely.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Love her, but yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  But-

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  You've had that too.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  Yes. And going back to this girl, like if your friends can't teach you anything and they're not, they're not even talking to you.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  And there's no love?

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  In five years, like I know this sounds crazy right now, but in five years you were gonna look back and be like, oh my God, thank God.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Thank God. Thank God. Cause it led me to whoever I'm with five years later.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Disposable, genuinely. So many people that think of others as disposable. And honestly, a lot of couples, I fear there's a lot where couples where one member will be somebody that's fairly like disposable.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  And that's why a lot of, there's a lot of advantageous partners out there that take advantage of their partners because they know that like the, the, the couples that don't work, in my opinion, are couples where like, I feel like you either have to be both or like, what they're called? I'm trying to like separate so it's an easier conversation. So let's call, there's two types of people in the world. I've described this a few times. In my opinion, the way my brain works, there's two types of people in this world. You have people that are kind of, in my opinion, like more shallow, surface level, emotionally tied people. And then you have people that are like really all in, I will die for you, I love you. Like we are tied soulmates for life. I used to be this person. I used to be a more shallow enjoyer of friends and, and family, whatever. I used to be that person.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Until I met my best friend and until I got older and I met my managers and everyone. And I realized that being, for me personally, it works way better to be an all in. I'm invested in you. We're gonna be friends for life. You're going to be the godfather, godmother of my kids. Da, da, da, da, da. You know what I mean?

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  And so now these days I don't choose to make friends with people that I only see as like, oh, you know, like we're friends on the weekend or we're friends-

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  I can't do it. It's really hard for me because I'm like, but I, I, cause I'll always have this doubt in my head that you'll have my back. And I need people that have my back.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Right. Also, as you grow older, like in White Lotus last night, she, she said, as I, as we grow older, I feel that it's hard, it's, we need to justify all of our decisions. Like we, it's harder to make passive decisions because everything needs a justification as you grow older. And I think part of that is that.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Wow, sounds like I need to watch this series.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  It was seriously, no, no, no, her monologue last night changed my life. Ah, because I was like, yeah, because I, because everyone hated that friend group the entire time. Everyone hated them. And something about it, I was like, no, they love each other. And I know they love each other.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  You do. Okay, Pink, what did we learn today?

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Well,

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  I honestly learned a lot about you.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  You learned a lot about me.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  I learned a lot about you.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  What'd you learn?

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Well, I learned that you won, like, a lot of Japanese restaurants in the UK. I mean, that's, I mean, come on, that's rookie, rookie numbers, as I said. You have OCD. You enjoy going on tour. And that you make it obvious when your joke didn't land. You know, I called nuggets.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Nuggets?

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Do you guys call them that over here? Like a punchline? The nugget didn't land.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, I like that.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  That's a good nugget.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  I learned that you're perfectionist, but it's tied back to your OCD. And you've actually done a lot of work on your OCD because of exposure therapy, and you're able to turn those negative receptors off in your head.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  And that you're a really, really fun time.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  And I loved hanging out with you.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  That's really sweet. You are amazing. You're so funny.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  You're so funny!

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Did you, what did you, well, I mean, you said you listen to music. What did you expect something coming in, meeting me, or did you kind of like?

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  I thought, I didn't think you were good. I knew you were funny. I did not think you were gonna be this funny.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Yes, I did not think you were gonna be this funny. Like, I thought I was gonna be...

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  The leader.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Like, I know, I thought I was gonna be...

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  I'm a star!

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  No, I thought I was gonna be way more intimidated, and like, really, because like, I don't know, I thought you were gonna be like, I'm the coolest. Like, I don't know, like, I don't know what I was expecting. I was scared.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  That's really fu- you, as in, you thought I was gonna be on, like, some stush shit?

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Some, like, superstar shit. But you got really vulnerable, and really honest, and really fucking funny.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  That is just, I will say, that's so interesting. I'm really wanna set the record straight. I'm not that...

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  I wow.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  No, you are so fun, and thank you.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you for being here. Well, Pink?

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Thank you for being here.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

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