Session 137: Madelyn Cline Returns

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• 0:41Speaker 01

  Welcome back to Therapists. Tonight, we have on the wonderful Madeleine Klein again, who is a dear, dear, dear friend of mine. I remember meeting her a few years ago. When we were at the airport, we were both waiting for our bags. And she came up to me and I was just immediately so disarmed by how warm and kind she was as a person. And every time I get to see her, to hang out with her, I'm always, I always feel so lucky. And I, every time she chooses to come on the show, I also just feel so grateful. So Madeleine, thank you for coming back to Therapists. I love you so much. The final season of Outer Banks, starring Madeleine Klein, is out August 20th on Netflix. It is obviously incredible.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  She is incredible. And enjoy the episode. I love you pussies.

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  Hi pussies. Today, we have movie star, television star, and one of my best friends. Madeleine Klein, back on the podcast.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  You're so bad.

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  I missed you.

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  I missed you too. When was the last time? Was that like a year and a half ago? No.

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  Oh, that was like the last time we hung out. Wait, actually, that was not the-

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  And we're gonna get into it.

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  The last time we hung out was I got to play with Madeleine and Glenn on their new movie.

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  The Comeback King.

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  Which was one of the best days of my life. I had so much fun.

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  That was the best day of my life. I like, I was, I was struggling that morning.

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  Yep, you know, I was, you know how my hangovers always last me two days?

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  Yeah.

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  That was day two. So that, I was also a little stressed out.

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  I was on day one.

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  Yeah.

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  Do you wanna come sit?

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, this is Madeleine's dog Rodney.

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  But he's really distracted by the gaggle.

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  Does he wanna leave?

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  Yeah.

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  Okay, goodbye Rodney.

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  He's really, okay, well, very short cameo by Rodney.

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  Hi.

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  Hi.

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  I love you.

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  Hi.

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  Hi.

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  Okay.

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  Okay.

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  Outer Banks is-

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  Coming to a close.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Coming to a close. Five seasons?

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  Five, 50 episodes.

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  Wow.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Five zero. Which actually, like, when you say 50, it doesn't, for seven years of filming, it doesn't feel like it's-

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  Oh, wine!

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  Wine, special delivery!

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  Thank you, Manny.

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  I love these cups.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Me too, are these-

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  Room temperature.

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  These are my cups?

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  I love your cups.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely brats. Cheers.

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  Cheers.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Eyes.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Eyes, eyes. We'll never have bad sex.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Uh-uh. Well, I don't have sex, so that shouldn't be hard.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Me neither.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  50 episodes. Oh, someone's hot, but what is-

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  There's a party up-

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  I think we're speaking right now through our brains.

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  Yeah, and we need to speak through our mouths.

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  Mouths.

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  50 episodes, seven years.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yes, seven years. So when you say like 50 episodes, it seems like it should, it doesn't seem like as many. It, it makes it seem, I don't know, like for the amount of work that we put in, 50 episodes, like 40 minute episodes doesn't feel like that much. But it was like most, it was most of my twenties.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  It was almost your entire twenties.

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  Most of, yeah, like most of a decade.

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  And what did it feel like on like that last day of set?

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  Okay, so this is tea.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Okay, give it.

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  Um, so I am one of those people that does my mourning in like, I like, I process it slowly over time. Like I, I think ahead, like I love to cross a bridge before it comes.

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  Me too, I'm the same exact way.

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  You know what I mean?

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  It's like, let's plan for the cross out now.

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  I love putting a cart before a horse.

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  Yes, always.

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  Um, and so I, I am, I like had many, oh my God, there's so many things happening, guys. I'm so sorry for this chaotic energy.

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  Oh my, I love your phone case.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Okay, so chaotic, wow. So apparently, it's a full moon today.

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  Yeah, Mercury's back in retrograde.

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  Okay, what does that, what does that mean for like our signs?

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  It means, what are you again?

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  I'm a Sagittarius.

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  I don't know what it means for us, but Mercury in retrograde is never good.

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  I'm scared.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  No, it's never good. It's actually quite horrible.

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  No, actually, like today has felt like a retrograde day.

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  Yeah, no, Peyton's not having a good one.

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  Really?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but pretty bad.

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  I need to call her.

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  So tell me about the last day on set and putting the cart before the horse.

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  Okay, so cart before horse. So I had already kind of done my mourning, like throughout the entirety of shooting season five.

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  Uh huh.

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  And so when it came to the last day, everyone was sobbing and I was cheesing.

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  You were just like-

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  I was like, I've already cried.

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  Right.

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  I was in a state of mind that I had no tears left to cry.

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  Ariana Grande.

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  Like Ariana Grande said. And, um, and I, so I felt really bad because I kind of felt like psychotic.

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  Right.

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  You know? But you know, I also thought about it in the, in like the, the context of a scene. You know how you, like when you're watching a scene where everyone's like devastated and crying and sobbing and having the same, you know, I think it's always interesting.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  But I also think it could be like, did you feel, this is so niche, but did you feel like pressured to cry? So then you didn't cry?

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  Some, so, okay, so that's another thing too. I'm like, sometimes I feel like, sometimes I feel like I am, there is a pressure to cry because it means you're sad. But really, like I was sad, but I was more just like happy and proud of, of all of, like our collective accomplishment.

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  Right.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Um, and that there were so many people there on the last day to, not just the Pogues, but like lots of other cast members. It was a really big day. The hair and makeup trailer was like a full house.

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  Yeah.

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  So I was just more, I was more just happy that we were able to celebrate together at the end of the, the day.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  When they said like, that's a picture wrap on Madeleine Klein, like did your, what, did your body, like what did you feel?

• 6:50Speaker 02

  I am going to mourn it so much, but like, it's a, you know, I am just so proud. I'm so proud of it.

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  It feels like you're putting a ribbon-

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  Yes, it puts, yes.

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  On a huge body of work.

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  100%.

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  Very much allowed to be happy.

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  Yeah.

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  And be like, this is it.

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  Celebratory.

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  The story is over.

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  Totally.

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  Proud of what you did.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I felt so proud and like where, like how we, I put like, you know, we put the story to bed. We put Sarah, Sarah to bed, like we told the story, we told it well. Hopefully, like we made a show that people are gonna wanna go back and watch over and over and over again. And, and I, you know, honestly, like, I'm really happy to not have to go shoot back, shoot in, in bogs and grassy knolls with gnats and-

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  And that's okay.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  And that's okay.

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  Can't even, can you imagine me in that environment?

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  Oh my God, I would, I wish I could take you on a, on a vibe tour.

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  What is the scene you're most proud of in season five?

• 7:48Speaker 02

  I'm proud of any, so, okay, I'm, I break a lot.

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  Like you laugh?

• 7:53Speaker 02

  I laugh a lot, like, and I can't help it.

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  Well, we were laughing.

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  We were-

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  At the Comeback King.

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  We were laughing. And so anytime I start laughing, a lot of times it's because like when we're running, it feels like Scooby Doo or that we like, we're like screwing one way and then like bad guys come around the corner and then we have to like-

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  Screw it the other way.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And, um, and I just started laughing at like the whole situation because it was so Scooby Doo like, that I had to, I had to turn my face away from the camera. And it was a, it was like a drone, so it was following us. I did turn my face away from the camera and I was running full speed without looking where I was going because I was laughing so hard and I ran straight into the back of Madison. Hit her so hard and then went flying like, like, and I went flying to the ground and skidded on the ground six feet. And then it was one of those falls where people were like, ooh.

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  Which is so embarrassing. And then I just, all I remember doing is like hitting her and then seeing blue. Because I was staring up at the sky.

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  Right, okay, I was actually quite worried for a second. I was like, what do you mean?

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  What do you mean by that? I know, and then there's nothing, and then you start laughing because it's like embarrassing, but you're also laughing because you want everyone to think, to know you're okay.

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  Right. And then they were like, okay, now can we continue the scene?

• 9:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, are you good? Okay, now-

• 9:15Speaker 01

  I fell down the flight of stairs, a flight of stairs when I did a guest star thing at Adults.

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  Oh, like-

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  Like full, fell, fell down the stairs, banged my head, like huge thing. Everyone saw it. It was so, it was mortifying. You just got it.

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  I'm really proud of us.

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  I'm proud of us too.

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  Those are the scenes I'm really proud of.

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  So for those that don't know, Madeleine and I spent a lovely weekend at Coachella together.

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  Yes, we did.

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  It was very fun.

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  It was fun.

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  Who did we see together?

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  Okay, Sabrina.

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  We saw, no, you were with all the girls. I was with Charlie and Will and Cassidy.

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  Shit, that's right.

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  Were you there for the Strokes?

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  Yes, we, I saw the Strokes, amazing.

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  Amazing.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  It was amazing.

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  I want to for my birthday, I, well, because they're performing in New York on October 2nd. And I wanna go again.

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  We gotta go. That was truly like, that was-

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  That was unmatched. It was euphoric. I was having the time of my life.

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  We were having so much fucking fun.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  So much fun. And then after the strokes.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  You disappeared for Bieber.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  I did. Because I started to get really anxious.

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  Totally valid.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  I figured out that we would have to stay there and wait.

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  We did.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  And I know. And then I was like, oh my god. And then what happens after Bieber ends? The mass exodus?

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It was, it was Madeline. It was so horrible.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  I, I, my brain, like, I, I went down the, this, this, the slide of anxiety and despair when I was thinking about, like mentally, when I was thinking about the exit plan. And I was, I was like, I, I started to panic.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, thousand percent. And by the way, everything was cut off. I forget what it was, but they were like, we've never seen this in Coachella history. Like, there were so many people there. Louise was with me. It was horrible. Like, you, like, it was horrible.

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  It sounded so scary. And then also, at the, at the same time-

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  And she's laughing at me because we had the best setup. Where a golf cart drove us home.

• 11:13Speaker 02

  No, no, your setup was-

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Wait, you know the golf cart died on our way, on our way, on our way back from Bieber? Twice. The golf cart died. We started pushing it, like shaking it. And I was like, please, I need to go home. I need to get, I need to go, I need to go home. I was freaking the fuck out. Everything was closed down.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, yeah. I was, I was already, like, I was, again, cart before horse. Bridge before it came.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  And actually, this time, you, that was correct, because I should have known.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  I, but I also had so much FOMO because I was thinking about all, like, the parties and, like, I was hearing the girls download about, like, the night and, and Sally's download and-

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Sally's download was crazy. Sally's download was crazy. I'd never heard that before. Download. I love that.

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  Yeah, download. Her download was generational.

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  Yeah, it was, it was, it was all time.

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  Yeah.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  That weekend was really special.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  No, that weekend was, and I'm so glad you guys convinced me to go to that weekend, even though I'm really sad I miss Madonna.

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  Me too.

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  That physically hurt.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Me too. But watching that, oh my god. What was it like being in the House Tour music video? I don't know if we ever even spoke about it.

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  We actually, I don't think we did. No, um, honestly, to be, to, to be able to, like,

• 12:34Speaker 02

  do spiders kind of count as octopus?

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  Is there a spider?

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  Right there. See it? Like, right here, where my finger is? No, like, literally, next to my finger.

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  Oh, oh my god. Oh my god. Uh, Nolan?

• 12:48Speaker 02

  What is, it's missing legs. It's like a daddy long leg.

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• 14:15Speaker 01

  House tour, how was that?

• 14:16Speaker 02

  To look in the mirror. And to know that I am part of the Sabrina-verse.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

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  Truly, one of, I, I've, I feel like it's one of my, my favorite accomplishments.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  And an accomplishment it is.

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  Like, I mean, Sabrina, I, I adore Sabrina. I have loved her for so long. She is such a good, good person. She's such a good friend. And when she texted me, um, to see if I wanted to be in a movie, a music video, I was like, yes. She was like, you don't want to know which, which one, or like-

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Of course not.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  I was like, no, no, the answer is yes. Absolutely.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  If Sabrina Carpenter asks you to be in a music video, you're in the music video.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, immediately, immediately, yes.

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  And was it just so fun to film?

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Yes. It was two full days of, we were in this big old house in the Hollywood Hills and it was just, like, it was all shot on film. And it was Sabrina and Margaret directing. It was their vision. And it was just two old days of girlhood and a bit of this and that and goofing off.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Well, it was amazing. I, like, love seeing you be funny. I, your comedic, you know, I always tell you, your, her comedic timing, Louise, is all-timer. It's all-timer. My favorite thing you've ever said, well, first of all, you were incredible in Knives Out, but it was in, I know what you did last summer. And it was when, I think your boyfriend had just died. And you come out and you go, you know, when, like, the girls are like, you're sad, but you still have to get ready. Or get around ready. Like, it was so funny, like, I-

• 15:58Speaker 02

  You know that meme, right?

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  Like, it was so good. And that's why I'm so excited for the comeback king, because I think you're about to be hysterical.

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  And, oh my god, I had the best time shooting that. I had the best time. I was in drag, basically in drag the whole time.

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  Are you wrapped?

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Wrapped.

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  Do you remember when I called you hung-

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  Where you called me when you were hungover?

• 16:17Speaker 01

  And I said, please, please let me come on the, on the show, on the movie.

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  And I was like, Jake, don't worry.

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  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  It's happening.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  And it happened.

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  I knew it.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  And it was fun. We filmed, I guess we can't say much, but it was amazing and-

• 16:32Speaker 02

  We got to play.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  We got to play.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  We got to play one morning.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  It was so cool to see. What was it like working with Glenn?

• 16:37Speaker 02

  I love Glenn. Glenn is like, Glenn is genuinely one of the best people I have ever met in my life. He is like, he's like if the manual, the, the, the life manual of how to be a good person, one-on-one, came immediately, like, already downloaded into his hard drive.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Because his, he comes, it's his, he's such a family guy.

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  I know.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  It's the southern charm.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  And his, like, his family is, like, is all that way. His whole family is, they're just, like, gold star humans.

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  They're, it's just, they're good eggs. They're all good eggs. And he's so talented.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  So talented. So good at what he does. His comedic timing is amazing. And like, the way he has leaned into this role. I think the way everyone leaned into this movie. And the comedians we have on for, for this movie, like Judd, the, I mean, obviously, Judd and generally, like, it just-

• 17:37Speaker 01

  That was such a, like, what, I couldn't imagine how you felt every day, because in those, when I was doing my thing with you guys, and I was hearing, like, Judd from the director's chair, I was like, I actually can't believe this is my life right now.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  I know.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  I was like, this might be one of the coolest things to ever happen to me.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  It is such play.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  And the way he directs is awesome.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  I know.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  I really like it.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  It's so, it is, it's such, it's something I have never experienced before. It is so unique, but it also, you know, what I love about it is that it kind of takes away any sort of ability to overthink.

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  Yes.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  About anything. And you just, like, brain empty and you just do.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  Because he's like, wait, try this. Wait, do this. Wait, do this.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  You don't have time to think about it. You just do it. And you're just, you're so in the moment with it.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  It's so improv-coded.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. It was, oh, yes.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  And improv is my favorite type of comedy.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, my god, so fun.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Now we need to talk about Love Island.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Let's talk about Love Island.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Because I'm not, okay, so I didn't watch the season, but Will made me watch Casa Amor last night.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm two episodes behind. They just got back. So I watched the after son, right after the recoupling. The recoupling, brutal.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  I cried during Trinity and Bryce. I don't know why I cried. I was just like, oh my god, she's so relieved and he's so relieved.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  They were matching. Did you see that?

• 19:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  They were matching, they were, they were matching butter yellow.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  They, they were just like so, by the way, do you know Bryce was a Tumblr it boy back in the day?

• 19:10Speaker 02

  I saw that.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Like, with Kendall, like, fully-

• 19:13Speaker 02

  An it boy.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  An it boy. I was so obsessed with that. And then things obviously took a turn.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Yes, that was a very, very nasty turn. The Corbin of it all was pretty nasty. Um, and-

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Was Corbin the one that said about Kenzie, oh, Kenzie's out the window?

• 19:31Speaker 02

  Yes, when they livestreamed.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Here's my thing about Kenzie is I don't watch the show, so I have no ground to stand on, but I never understood why people didn't like her. I was obsessed with her from day one.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  I think that she's always been, look, I, I think she is, I think she's sweet. I think she's funny. And I think she's fantastic television.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  She's fantastic television.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I forget, do you watch Housewives?

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Okay, so I need to watch, um, Rhode Island.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Please.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  I really need to watch it.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Madeline, please. It is one of the best first seasons of Housewives I've ever, ever, ever seen.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  That's what I was, I've been hearing, that they just do not give a-

• 20:10Speaker 01

  They don't give a fuck and they've known each other since they were kids.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  What do they call it? They call it, like, a slam pig?

• 20:14Speaker 01

  A slam, oh my god. She's got him, like, you're a slam pig, get the fuck out of my house, like-

• 20:19Speaker 02

  A slam pig is so funny.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  And then she shows up, the Kelsey who gets called the slam, well, first, like, the whole,

• 20:27Speaker 01

  to create the perfect first season of Housewives, you have to have somebody that has a very odd situation. So in Salt Lake, it was Mary with her step-grandfather. Um, in Rhode Island, it was Kelsey with her sugar daddy boyfriend who was, she was dating some guy who lived in this massive house, but he had other girlfriends in Miami. And so she was like a polygamist. And Rosie was like, oh, you're a polygamist. And then Rosie's house was also, Rosie's also building a house. And the house is supposed to be 5,000 square feet, but it's actually 2,500 square feet. So Kelsey would not let her breathe about it not being 5,000 square feet.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  That's really funny.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  And then Kelsey was like, you don't, you literally don't have a house. And then Kelsey at the, or Rosie at the reunion said, your only coworkers were, was ever another girl in Miami. Like, that was your only coworkers. And basically being like, you're a prostitute.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  You literally don't even have a house.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  You don't have a house.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Wait, speaking of prostitutes.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, speaking of-

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Who is one? Someone that we know?

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Speaking of prostitutes, did I tell you the story about how when I was in Spain? I was working and um, the police kept showing up to my, my apartment door.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Thinking you were a prostitute?

• 21:44Speaker 02

  They thought I was like, like the, the leader.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  They thought you were a madam?

• 21:50Speaker 01

  How many girls were staying in your apartment?

• 21:52Speaker 02

  It was just me.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  So what did they keep saying?

• 21:55Speaker 02

  So I was talking with Penelope Cruz.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Right, as one does.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  As one does, and she was asking me how I liked living in Madrid and I was like, yeah, I like it. Like hot take, I like Barcelona better, but I have like.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  I love Barcelona.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  I do too.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  And everyone's always like, what the fuck are you talking about? I love it there.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  I know, I can't, I love it, I love it so much, I love the coast, I love like Caracas, like two hours up the road, amazing.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Just wine, beach, everything, oh my god, Barcelona's perfect.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Seafood, paella, all of it.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Paella.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  The clubs, the dancing.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  You know, when I went, there was a strike and I couldn't go dancing.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  They, they, they were striking, dancing?

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Taxi cab strike, there's always a strike in Europe, there is always a strike in Europe.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  I'm like mad for you.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  So what were you saying about you being a madam?

• 22:45Speaker 02

  So, um, I was telling you, but I, I love it so much, but I have to move out of my apartment because the police keep showing up. And I'm really scared and they keep talking to me in Spanish and I'm trying to translate, but I, I don't know how, but they keep taking my passport and my information. And I'm scared because I'm like, what have I done wrong? And um, and then Penelope was like, what's crazy, like where are you living? And I was like, I'm living in um, in Salamanca. And she's like, that's my, that's where I, is it Salamanca? I think so. And she's like, that's my old neighborhood, she was like, what street are you on? And I said, the street, and then she said, what building number? And I told her and she was like, is it the yellow building down like an alleyway through a gate? And I said, yes, and she said, that's my old building.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Shut the fuck up.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  That's my first apartment building and she's like, and my neighbor, my old neighbor called me and told me that they had like, they had tracked some like local, like some like crime ring, like in Salamanca. They tracked it to, I guess they tracked it back to the building and I, and they were coming to my apartment directly. And I found out later that it was like some like sex ring.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  And they thought you were the leader.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  It was me leading it.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  They thought I was the madam of it. So yeah, so speaking of prostitutes.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  So actually speaking of prostitutes.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  But also like, also no hate, at all.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  At all, at all.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  But they, but they thought that I was, I was their, their fearless leader and I wasn't, I was their fearful leader.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  I was the fearful leader.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  You were, you were elected, I guess, by accident?

• 24:20Speaker 02

  I was, I was accidentally elected and.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  To be madam of the.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  I wish they would have let me know, because I wish they would have let me know, because I, I would have, I probably would have been a lot braver about it.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  What else are you watching on television right now?

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Um, mostly Love Island, I just also started playing Fortnite.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  What?

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Yes, and I won my very first Battle Royale.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  I actually see you loving that.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  I was having so much fun, I have um, a Bugs Bunny skin and, no, sorry, I have a Lola Bunny skin and I just got the new Supergirl skin.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  How is Lucas?

• 24:56Speaker 02

  I love him so much.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  I miss him every day I'm not with him.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I know, I know, I'm, I was texting him on the way over, I was like, I need you, I need to come cuddle and cry because I think I'm about to start my period tomorrow and it's the full moon and Mercury's in retrograde grade.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  It's a crazy combination.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Is he here in LA right now?

• 25:15Speaker 02

  He is.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Well, oh, and you were just at the voicemails for Isabel premiere with him, right?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  No, I was.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  He was so great in that movie.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Him and his mustache.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  He played straight.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  He did a really good job.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  He did a really great job.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  He did a really good job of being a diabolical straight man.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was, and he was so fucking funny too.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  And his souffle was ass.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Ass, did you watch voicemails for Isabel?

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Like, he was so fucking funny.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  He, and a lot of his stuff was just improv.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  I could tell.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  You could always tell because it's always funnier.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  It's so funny.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  It's always funnier, it's just improv is always funnier because it is quite hard, I feel like, to write a joke and perform that joke 10 times over.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  It always, it always is, it's never, which is again, why I think Judd's directing style works so well is because it is never the same thing.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  You, and like the thing is, the only time it's the same thing is you can tell when he wants to get multiple versions of it is because he likes it. But like, he always likes to keep it fresh.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  And that's, but yeah, the first, the first time something's funny is like lightning in a bottle.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Crack, making someone laugh is actually like my crack.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Actually crack.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Like hearing, like when you were on set for the comeback, like when you would hear the crew laugh, was it, did it just like fuel you for the rest of the day?

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Oh, it gave me, like, I would have to go home and take like a couple hours just to wind down because every day was the best day ever. Because, like especially, especially these, like this set and like the people that Judd, like his writing partners, like his, I mean, his, his filmmaking partners that he's worked with for so long. It like, I kept thinking, oh my god, like what, what an honor to make them laugh.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  What an honor to make comedians laugh.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  There's no better feeling.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Holy shit, like, me?

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, and also it is such a confidence boost because it's like, oh, I can, I can do this. I, okay, okay, I am employed and.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Happy.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Deserve.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  And confident.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and confident.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  And confident in my ability to be employed.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Or, no, I'm confident.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Which is, you know.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Sometimes I feel like you and I are two brain cells.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  We are, fighting over being the third.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Uh huh, right.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  It's because they're, okay, for reference, Madeline and I have not caught up in weeks. Did I just say for wafflets? For wafflets, Madeline and I have not caught up in weeks.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  We haven't.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  So what are you therapist about today?

• 27:53Speaker 02

  I'm therapist about people's, men's audacity.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Uh huh, and that is a.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  It's a real thing.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  It's a real thing.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  But I would say that you handle it always with grace.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Not this time?

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, this time I did.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Not every time, I'm learning how to handle things with grace.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  No, you handle things with grace, there are certain things you call me about that I'm like, holy shit, if I were you, I would literally burn the world down and you don't.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I'm learning, I'm learning um, uh, how to, I wouldn't say hold back, how to have discernment in certain situations.

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• 29:24Speaker 01

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• 29:51Speaker 01

  Did you see the Jojo Siwa cruise?

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, so can we talk about that, what?

• 29:56Speaker 01

  What was it?

• 29:57Speaker 02

  So, what?

• 29:58Speaker 01

  I wanted to be there.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  I did too. I really wanted.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  What, what is that, like, I wanted to be there, it looked very, she's in the pool with everyone, telling them all about her birthday. She's like, there was a meet and greet in her penthouse suite, like, I was like, I, like, I'm down.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  So like, did she like pay for a?

• 30:17Speaker 01

  No, so actually what happened was the rest, she, she rented out like a portion of the cruise, the rest of the cruise was like people on a cruise and then the other half was Jojo Siwa fans.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Okay, did you see like the, um, there was one guy who was doing like a rundown of the gift bag, like the, the AI slop stickers?

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, the AI slop stickers, and she performed Boomerang in actually like a very emotional way.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like a heartfelt ballad.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  It was a heartfelt ballad, she did Boomerang as a heartfelt ballad, people were sobbing.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  To be honest, put me in that situation and I probably would have been crying too.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I kind of wanted to be there with you.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Jojo Siwa, people give her a lot of shit, but what would we do without her is my question.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Jojo Siwa, Jojo Siwa kind of feels to me like the same way like Trader Joe's does.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Please elaborate, because I was actually talking about Trader Joe's the other day.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  So Trader Joe's to me like kind of has this vibe where it's like what aliens would have like.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  Built as a grocery store because they think that's what we would like. And the thing is, it's working.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  And like, it is one of those, like, it is an experience. It is, like, the first time I saw Trader Joe's, I went into a Trader Joe's, I was like.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're like, what's, the food doesn't feel real, it's real.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  It doesn't feel real, the whole, it feels like a little cultish, like when you don't understand, like when it first came to Charleston and I was a teenager, I was like, why is everyone freaking out about this?

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Were people like gagging for Trader Joe's?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Gagging for Trader Joe's, like, people were leaving Whole Foods in droves to go over to the Trader Joe's. And, and then like now I get it, but it's like all the things they have, it's like, well, I think the aliens would, were, you know, if they were studying us, would be like. Does this make any sense?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it makes complete and utter sense. It's actually one of the most things that has made sense in this room in a long time. And also, I would like to say, have you seen the videos of the people fighting over the Trader Joe's totes?

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  What is that? Do you know?

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've seen it.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  So can-

• 32:20Speaker 03

  The little mini ones were cute.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Are they like- I mean, like, are they like a Jacques-

• 32:24Speaker 01

  So why are people freaking the fuck out about it, though?

• 32:27Speaker 03

  I actually don't know. I don't know that much.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't get it.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  People are like, in Black Friday style, like, over the- each other, like, begging for the totes.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  I know. Wait, how many were the minis?

• 32:37Speaker 01

  It's like the, um, it's like a Birkin of Trader Joe's.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it's like the Birkin of tote bags.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, they do like limited edition.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  What's your favorite Trader Joe's item?

• 32:48Speaker 02

  My favorite Trader Joe's item?

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Cause I know mine.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  Honestly, like, I know this is like a fad, but like, the chicken soup dumplings.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  They're great.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  My favorite is two things. When I was a kid, my dad used to make me their penne arabiata.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Yum.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  All the time.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yum.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  It comes in, it's frozen, so you pour it out in the pan, and there's cubes of sauce.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Yes, I love the cubes.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  And it tastes just like from a restaurant, and then the bibimbap bowl.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  I haven't tried that one.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  It is nothing short of fantastic. I could eat ten in a row. And they sometimes don't sell them at certain Trader Joe's. And in college, I would eat them, in high school, in middle school, in college, I would eat them almost daily.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  I like, I genuinely love going to Trader Joe's so much, and also-

• 33:37Speaker 01

  This is just an ad for Trader Joe's.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  So basically, thanks for watching, thanks for getting it, making it this far. Also, the, I think it's like the chicken wine, like, the red wine.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  I've never had it.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  So, I mean, I say it's the chicken wine, there's an actual name for it, but it has a chicken on it.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  So it's wine?

• 33:51Speaker 02

  It's wine.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Red wine. And their peanut butter pretzels used to be like my nightly dinner.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  You wanna try my candy?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  The kachas?

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, have you tried the sours?

• 34:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Do you like sour?

• 34:04Speaker 02

  I, sour's my favorite.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Manny, would you grab me a fresh pack of Sour Puss?

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Manny Daddy!

• 34:10Speaker 01

  This is the week, this is actually a few weeks before, technically before it arrives in Target.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Oh wait, this is exclusive. Oh, okay.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  It's so good, right?

• 34:24Speaker 02

  The texture?

• 34:25Speaker 01

  I know!

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Here's the thing, I'm not a candy person.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Just wait till you get to the tentacles.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Tense up pussies. The texture of like gummy candy just doesn't really do it for me. I like Hi-Chews.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love Hi-Chews.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  I like Moji, like, this texture-

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Hard but soft. Right? It's like, awesome. They're like, actually so awesome.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  That's better than any, any like, candy I've ever had.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  I know, that's how I feel.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  My favorite thing is Alex crashing out because she can't find the kachas.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Oh, it's the best thing ever. Wait, dude, there's this video of her? She's trying to get kachas?

• 35:01Speaker 02

  No. I'm gonna freak the fuck out. Kachas is a wawa. Mine take over my whole entire life. Do you think this is the only one they have, the wild tree? Hi. Kachas, yes, yes, yes. Kachas, yes, yes, yes.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I'm just, what? Wait, guys, that's, Jake, they have them at Wawa, that's big. It's like, baby, you're big.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Baby, you're big.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  God, isn't she the best?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  I love her.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  She-

• 35:33Speaker 02

  I genuinely love her so much.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Me, Madeline, Stoss, and Alex, all hanging, and Peyton, all hanging out in one room.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  It's gonna be tectonic, I fear.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, the plates will shift. Louise said, Louise was like, today, she was like, wait, so, okay, you'll be back in L.A. on July 27th, I said, nope.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  No honey, no baby.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  It's Ibiza time.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Ibiza.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Which I've never been, have you been?

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  I'm really excited. I'm having a lot of firsts this year with you guys.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  I know, was it your first Coachella?

• 36:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, ever.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Did you enjoy it?

• 36:08Speaker 02

  I, you know what I enjoyed? I enjoyed being with y'all.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Uh-huh.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  I enjoyed Sabrina's set, of course.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Uh-huh.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  I enjoyed being, obviously, with the girls, and like, of course, I love the golf carts very much.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Obviously.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Those are the best parts.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. Um, but like, my, like, my favorite part about Coachella was being truly like, with you guys.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I met Drew Starkey.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  You did?

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Yes, I did.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  I love him.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Ah, he is so lovely.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  He's so awesome.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  He is really lovely.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Are you, do you guys still talk, the cast?

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, Drew and I, um, actually spoke recently. Drew is one of those people, like, Drew, I think Drew and I understand each other very well, and I think we always have, because he and I are pretty like- Like, I have moments where I'm chronic, like, I am kind of chronically online, but like, he and I have moments where we, like, I fluctuate, but we have both kind of been those people that are like, like, phone loss.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  He's offline.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Don't care, yeah, he's super offline, like, if I, like, he and I both will, like, we'll leave our, our phones in our trailers and like, just forget about it, or like- So like, I have so many, like, my, like, I have so many missed phone calls, emails, unpaid parking tickets.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  You name it.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  So does Peyton.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, that's, so like, I understand, when I don't hear from him, I know it's just because that is-

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Him.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  That is Drew Starkey.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  He's so lovely, though.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  He is so lovely, but like, when I do, when we do get to talk, it's like, he is like my brother.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  My best friend admitted to me that they've been using an AI chatbot as like, their girlfriend for a while now. I find this incredibly, I find this incredibly unsettling, but apparently, he said it helps him actually talk to people in the real world, which he was never really great at. He's like, excited to tell me about it and finds no issue here, please help.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  So that would never be me, personally?

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Right, that would never be me, but, cause here's why. Um, also, do what you have to do, you know what I mean?

• 38:21Speaker 01

  But it's fake.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Do your thing, but it's, but here's the thing, here's, here's the thing about like, I think, and I could be wrong, someone correct me, I have take like, full responsibility if I'm wrong, however, like, AI chatbots cater to your like, like, pattern recognition and like, what you're saying.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Yes, you're, you're right.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  And like, they also tend to like, kind of, maybe, I don't know, um-

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Tell you what you wanna hear.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Tell you what you wanna hear.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  It's kind of like, maybe not the most accurate depiction of socializing.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  With like, a real person with like, thoughts and feelings.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Maybe tell him now that he's able to socialize and it's helped him to cut it.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I think, cut it, and there are plenty of people to practice on.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Real world.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Like, real people.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Like, real world.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but now, what's done is done, he did it, he told you.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  He did it. Yeah, because also, I think there are like, there are people who have genuine like, addictions to-

• 39:14Speaker 01

  AI?

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they do.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  It's like a real addiction. I've never been a-

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Me neither.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  We don't need to be using it in replacement for humans, or to be writing movies, or making music, or anything that requires actual feeling and connection.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Using it as a substitute for genuine human reaction, I feel like you're looking, or social interaction, you're probably looking in the wrong place.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  You're definitely looking in the wrong place.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  I'm such a people pleaser, and it's completely halting any personal growth I could be doing. I love helping people, but now the scales have tipped, and everybody only comes to me for help. I'm so drained and barely get to talk about myself or my issues with my friends, because they're so bad at listening but need me to listen to them, you know? I don't really know what the first steps are here.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  Hmm, I think the first step is, if you're not gonna help yourself, then most, or if you're not gonna help yourself and speak up for yourself, then people aren't going to, you have to take the first step.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  And be like, you guys don't listen to me?

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have to take this first step and communicate, like, hey, I feel like I am giving a hundred percent, and I'm not getting anything in return when I need help.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  Because if you can't help yourself, then a lot of people won't help you.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  You have to be the first to like, say something.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Cause it's impossible, it's, it's very, it's rare for you to just kind of suffer in silence and hope someone sees it.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Correct, you have to like, say something.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  You have to be like, you guys don't listen to me, and I help you with everything, and then, if they come back at you, and nothing changes, new friends.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  New friends.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  And there's always time for new friends.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  There's always time for new friends, there's always time for growth, and sometimes, like, some people are there for you for a season, and that's amazing, but like, you can't, you can't just continue with bad friends.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  What music are you listening to right now?

• 41:03Speaker 02

  All of Ariana Grande.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  But on repeat is Hate That It Made You Love Me.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Killer.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Killer. I'm so excited for Petal. There's so much good music coming out, there's the new Gracie Abrams album, the Ariana Grande album, the Strokes album, the new Ryan Beaty album.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Carly Rae Jepsen has a new song.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  You know, I love Carly Rae. Lucas loves Carly Rae.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  So bad.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  She's incredible.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  I know.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen her live?

• 41:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Me, Manny and Will went, or Manny, Will and I, sorry, went to see Carly Rae live, and she did a motion, front to back, like, Run Away With Me, and it was just, it was life-changing.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  I love her, I love her unabashedly.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's great, I, we love pop music.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  We are pop princesses.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  We are, we are, we are connoisseurs of pop.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  We really, really are.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  We are.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  My friends are all chronically late, it's to the point where they are hours late for literally any, hours is crazy.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Whoa, okay.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Anything and everything, I love them so much, I just cannot stand chronically late people, how do I bring this up without sounding like a bitch, because it's all of them?

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Well-

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Like, if it were five minutes, even thirty, sure, fine, but hours, I don't wanna lose it on them, but it makes my blood boil, please help.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Well, that is, that is just blatant disrespect of someone's time.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Right?

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, there are two solutions. Bring it up and talk to them and tell them, in, you know, maybe better words, what the fuck. Or two, set their call times earlier.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what, that's what I do with my best friend Alice.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  I'm like, we need to be ready by twelve, even if it's twelve-thirty, and then she'll be, we'll go at twelve-thirty.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, if you need them to be there by two, tell them you need them there at twelve.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Because it's never really malicious, it's never malicious. Some people are just late.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if it's also, it's, if it's one of those things where they, like, you genuinely have to be on time.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  And also, another thing too, is like, like, you know, when you're with a big group of people, you know, sometimes like, sometimes managing a whole group of people is like, hurting marbles.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  And, like, it can be, it can be really tough, like, everyone's on their own time, everybody's got like, you know, their own things going on, some people aren't managing, like, don't manage their time, I'm, I'm kind of like, I, it's something I'm working on, is being better at being on time.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  I feel like you are a timely person.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  I, I do get really anxious about being not on time, but I also, cause, but-

• 43:34Speaker 02

  I get carried away, like getting ready, or I get carried away with my alarm.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Like snoozing it.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  And I, I always underestimate how much time I actually need.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Like, you're like, oh, I can make this work and you can't.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  I can make this work in fifteen minutes when I really need thirty.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  I've been doing that lately.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  It's one of the worst feelings in the world.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  It is one of the worst, worst feelings in the world.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Like when you're like, okay, like I can wake up at eight thirty for something at nine, no you can't.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  No, you cannot.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  You have to wake up at eight.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  You absolutely cannot. Yes.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  If it takes thirty minutes to get there, you have to wake up at eight.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Cause you need time to like, adjust to the world.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Right. I need to like sneeze ten times before I can like, you know, start doing my makeup.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Right, of course.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 44:14Speaker 01

  As one does.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  As one does.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  After a night out of drinking with this guy I've been seeing, we woke up the next morning damp. I said to him, you must sweat a lot in your sleep. And he was like, yeah, I guess. Then we had the thought to take a closer look and sure enough, he pissed the bed. I played it off like I thought it was funny, but in hindsight, that is so gross. I really like him and don't know if, if this is a worthy ick or not. I mean, I can, I can look past anything.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Are we sure who pissed the bed? If we were both unconscious?

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to defend him though.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  He was like, uh, this was me. Like I've done this before. Like maybe this was me.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Have you ever had a guy pee in your bed?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, never, never.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Same, never.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  I, that, um, look, I think if it becomes a habit. Or if it is a habit, then it's a problem.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  But if it's a one-off.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  If it's a one-off, that is a very intimate and embarrassing thing and.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Everybody has intimate and embarrassing things that happen.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  But we are all human. Everybody has intimate, embarrassing things that happen. Just make sure it doesn't happen again.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  It's like, things like that will happen sometimes.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  And honestly, if a guy peed in my bed and owned it.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  I'd be like, all right, just don't let it happen again.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Hey, yeah, just, you know what I mean?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  If you constantly pee.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Then it's like, maybe, maybe there's a deeper issue that we can, we can unpack.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Right. I wasn't, I'm not a drunk peer.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Me neither.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  But I do pee all the time.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  If I have to pee, I'm, I'm.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Sprinting to the bathroom.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  Sprinting to the bathroom because I don't know what song they're gonna play next.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  What if they start playing Dancing on My Own and I'm in the bathroom because I decided to wait too long?

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Right. I've never been a religious person, but one of my best friends is very religious. It has never been an issue or something we really talk about. However, she recently told me she's anxious that I will go to hell and that she wouldn't be a true Christian if she didn't tell me this. I was so uncomfortable and didn't know what to say in the moment. I felt like this is starting to have felt like, I feel like this is starting to affect our friendship and I don't know how to bring this up again. It is.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  There is, there are ways to be religious. I think like, like real, true religion is having your beliefs. And keeping up and believing in them, standing ten toes down on them yourself and not pushing your, your agenda onto other people because her saying that to you is pushing her agen- religious agenda onto you.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Right. Well, like those, those statements always start with, well, I believe.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Right. And then it's inherently saying like, well, you should believe this too.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Right. Well, I believe and okay, that's great. You, you believe that, but like there's a difference between religion and like.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Organized religion.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Or there's a different, exactly. There's a difference between organized religion and projecting, like your own beliefs.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  As like, I don't know, some sort of means of like making yourself feel bigger or like.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  That's what it always is at the end of the day.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  I know. And, and there's like, you can, you can be religious. You can be spiritual. You can have like a core set of beliefs.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Dude, look at Meg Stalter. Meg Stalter loves God, so religious, does not push it on anybody.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, at the end of the day, it's always about like preaching, preaching and, um, and showing like love. Love is a word that is constantly used. Like then people will say, God is love.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, let's like, let's talk about the definition of love then.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Cause it's not enforcing a belief system or rules onto other people just because you said so.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Right. Did you grow up religious?

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 47:54Speaker 02

  I did.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Wow, I didn't know that about you.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  I would like, yeah, I have organized religion and I have.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Murky waters.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. But I, like, I'm very, like, I, I'm very spiritual for sure.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think having like a set of beliefs, like a, like a strong belief system is very important.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Me and my friend group have all been single for the longest time since the middle of college or so.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Good for y'all.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, then out of nowhere, everyone in my group besides me starts getting cuffed up over the past year. Now there's this weird pressure for me, even though I'm pretty happy alone right now, but my, now my friends aren't seeing me as much. Oh, that's horrible.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  That's tough. That's really tough.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Cause I always have a single girl with me.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Peyton.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. We love you. Shout out.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Peyton and I, it's always Peyton and I.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  But, but you also like, like, cause sometimes when I'm in relationships or like seeing, you know, I get, I get really excited. And so I'm like, I jump.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  I mean, I would always say if I was in a relationship, I would be with the guy twenty-four fucking seven.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  I jump feet first. I'm so excited. And then I realize after like, you know, a month or two, I'm like, I start to panic. I'm like, where the fuck are my friends?

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  I'm like, where are my friends? And I start to kind of like, because my friends to me are like everything. Like, that's like my, that's my foundation, like, and so then I'm like, oh my God, like what am I, what am I doing? And so like, when that starts to happen and you see people start to kind of like go off, like that is, it is a really.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  It's a very isolating feeling.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  So isolating.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  My advice would be to have one of the couples take you under their wing as like their adopted child, like Kay and Lewis. Say I'm their adopted child. And I never feel like a third wheel. I always feel like I'm part of the group, like, you know what I mean? You just need to make your, it's honestly on your friends to make you feel included. Cause it's not their fault that they're in relationships, but it is their fault if they're not making you feel included in their relation. Enough in their relationships.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  And I'm also.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  And find some single friends.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  And also, yes, and find some single friends. But I'm also one of those people, like when my friends are in relationships, I always get really excited because I'm like, ooh, new friends, new addition to the friend group.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  I feel the same way.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  I always love to bring like the group together.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  But I would watch How to Be Single, which I've never seen, but I always prescribe.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Hmm, I love that.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  I'm sure it tells you how to be single. With Dakota Johnson.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm gonna watch that.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Right. It's a, it's apparently one of the best movies ever. I went on vacation with my best friend's family to their house and they came in and I had sex with her older brother on the last night, whose girlfriend was supposed to come with on vacation, but they broke up a week before. What do I do? He's not being subtle and I feel like it's so obvious what happened and I'm paranoid my friend is gonna find out.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  By the way, I would do that.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  If my best friend's brother was so fucking hot and he wanted to have sex with me on the last night, I would do it and just apologize after. Wouldn't you?

• 50:40Speaker 02

  And so here's the thing, we can't, we can't, look girl, we, we can't.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Turn back time.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  We can't. If I could turn, you can't, you can't turn back time. You did what you did.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  You have to tell your friend right fucking now.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  You did what you did. You can't turn back time. You do have to be honest about it because here's the thing, if he's not being subtle about it, it's going to come out.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Right. To get to your friend, be like, holy shit, I fucked your brother.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  That's perfect.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Holy shit, I fucked your brother. I'm so sorry I fucked your brother. I don't know what to do.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Burst into her room.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I had sex with your brother last night. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Start crying. Bring out the waterworks.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Bring out the waterworks.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Start crying. Be like, I'm so sorry I fucked your brother.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Let it, let it out. Let all the emotions out. Some, just like have like, just, you know, word soup.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  If you own something, there, people can't take shit from you.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  One, whenever I have fucked up, whenever I own it and I am like, just like honestly, yes, I know what I did was bad. And you own it and you apologize, like that is genuinely the best thing. You can't control someone else's reaction.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  You can, you cannot, don't try to play God with people's emotions by like making up some like excuse or story. Just own it.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Right. Just own it. When you own something, people can't tell you shit.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Just don't.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  They can tell you shit, but like, they'll get tired of telling you shit because you've already admitted to it.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  And yeah, and you've already admitted to it. You've already apologized for it. And like, it's their decision whether or not to move on or.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Right. It's like, you're essentially putting the ball in their court.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  I'm a photographer and I get good angles of everyone in my work, but also in my friend group, it's really starting to annoy me because when I want a picture, they take the worst photos ever. Literally, what do I do? Train them? I've given tips and it's in one ear, out the other.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Tail as old as time.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know how to.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  I don't know how to help. That's, um, some people have it or they don't.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  I kind of agree.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And like, that's why, that's why you always hear people talk about like, you know, being the designated photographer of the group.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Maybe ask a stranger. Be like, hey, do you mind taking a photo of me really quickly?

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Ask a stranger or I think, yeah, you can definitely coach people. But sometimes like people's dedication to like taking bad pictures is just completely.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  I get called out for it all the time. When we, when I was in France, Stas would be like, you are putting zero effort into these fucking photos. I've taken so many fucking photos of you. Start putting in effort. And honestly, when you start to put in, when your friends start to put in the effort, they will take good photos.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And also if you call people out, then like, or if you call someone out about it, then they will start thinking about it. But also let's just take a moment for the fact that Stas and like her understanding of angles.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Is so beautiful. She wants, I told her to write a book.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  It's like watching the Mona Lisa be painted.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  No, you don't understand. We were like, we were like, we're like, Alex was like, uh, she was uploading photos from her camera and Alex was like, oh shit, I only have the, the mini SD card. Stas was, oh, don't worry. Pulls out a mini adapter for the big adapter. She like, literally, I've never seen anything like it in my life.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  She like, her, her ability to, yeah, she's, she is like.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  She's kind of my God.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  She's kind of my God.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Is, yeah, no, Stas is everything.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  I miss her so much.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  I miss her so badly.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Okay, Madeline, what did we learn today?

• 53:58Speaker 02

  We learned.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  That men have the audacity.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  That men have the audacity, but we've, we've been knew that.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  We learned.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  That you were mistaken for a madam.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  That I was mistaken for a madam. It wasn't as glamorous as I thought. Maybe being mistaken for a madam would be.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Well, Madeline.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Jake.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  I love you more.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  And we have so much shit to talk. We have so much shit to talk.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  I'm ready. My body's ready.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  I'm also, my body is physically ready.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Bye, pussy.

• 54:45Speaker 00

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