Session 125: Nicholas Galitzine

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• 0:11Speaker 00

  Are we starting?

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Honestly, you can. We're all rolling.

• 0:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can start.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  It'll be kinda fun.

• 0:15Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay, bye.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  It'll be fun.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  I've never done this. No one's never not been in the room before.

• 0:23Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 0:23Speaker 00

  Like, there's always Nolan and Louise there.

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Wow, so we're like pioneering right now?

• 0:30Speaker 00

  I guess.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  Well, this is my first podcast ever, so...

• 0:33Speaker 00

  You're lying!

• 0:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  Are you serious? You just got me so excited!

• 0:38Speaker 02

  So I don't know if I'm gonna be any good at the format or not.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  Wait, I think you'll be great. We were just kiki-ing outside.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Okay. We were kiki-ing, yes.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  Yes, we were. This is your first podcast? You know this is his first podcast?

• 0:50Speaker 02

  First podcast.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  No, it's...

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Well, it's kind of... It is kind of a new...

• 0:54Speaker 00

  Format.

• 0:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, only in the last really few years.

• 0:58Speaker 00

  Uh huh. Well, Nicholas Galitzine's on today! Yay!

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Yay! Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  I saw your movie Masters of the Universe yesterday. Amazing. Where'd you guys film?

• 1:09Speaker 02

  We filmed in London.

• 1:10Speaker 00

  Oh, so you're...

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, to be honest, I was living here when I got the job. Nothing films in LA anymore.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  Starting to, though, now?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Maybe times are changing, but I filmed one... One job in my whole career in LA.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  You'll never believe who just walks in the back house. Walks in, Ryan. I said, "Oh, Nicholas, this is Ryan." Ryan goes, "Hey." I go, "What are you doing?" Like, you don't understand, like...

• 1:37Speaker 02

  So he's not supposed to be here? Like, he's...

• 1:41Speaker 00

  Are you codependent with anyone? Well, you're just hard-lunch your girlfriend now.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that was kind of...

• 1:46Speaker 00

  Sorry.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  That was kind of supposed to be to my close friends.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  Oh, you did it by accident?

• 1:50Speaker 02

  Look, I mean, anyone who... You know, follows me, it all knows that I've had a girlfriend for a few years. But, um, you know, we, we like to be private.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Which, you know, I think is just easier in this day and age. But yeah, I was, I was doing a shoot, uh, yesterday and, um, and usually, you know, post things to my close friends and, and, uh,

• 2:13Speaker 00

  I didn't know you had a close friends.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  Well, listen, man, let's see how this goes.

• 2:17Speaker 00

  Okay, wait, I like, I don't even use close friends.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  What, what do you use?

• 2:21Speaker 00

  I like, I, I, nothing. If I have something private to say, I'll like text it.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  But, but like, what are you, what are you uploading? That's, that would make you.

• 2:29Speaker 00

  Like, well, like my close friends would just be like me talking shit.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:32Speaker 00

  So it's like, I can't do that.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  What do you think of that new, the, the, the instance thing? You like it?

• 2:37Speaker 00

  You are so tapped in. Well, I'm like, wasn't expecting this out of you.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  So I'm getting real tapped in.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. What do you think of the instance thing? I don't love it.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I think it's stupid.

• 2:47Speaker 00

  I don't love it.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  I hate it and I don't want to see that little thing in the corner.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  It's starting to piss me off when I go check my DM, like, and you hear the, you feel the little like, you know.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Well, and it's just also like the, the, the level of like the content is really just like.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  Climbing in.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not good.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  I just don't care.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  You sift through it and you're like, I don't, I didn't need this.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I don't, do you sift through it? I did it once and I was like, wait, can I go back? And it turns out you can't go back.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  I know, you can't. I do sift through it. I'm curious.

• 3:11Speaker 00

  You're curious?

• 3:12Speaker 02

  I'm a curious person. Yeah.

• 3:13Speaker 00

  Did you finish filming, uh, Red, White and Royal Blue two yet?

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Start of the year, really. I mean, we, we, it's been, it's been kind of, I just kind of want to hug this. Sorry. Is that right? That doesn't ruin your shot. Um, I, yeah, we start, we start, finish filming at the end, at, at the end of, uh, February. This is a really quick shoot, but, um,

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Quick.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Quick. Well, I mean, it was just, I, I'm, I'm very fortunate to kind of be in a position now. I'm, I'm kind of going from job to job. So I had to squeeze in a little indie film after that, before this. I know it's so, look at me.

• 3:48Speaker 00

  I was squeezing that little indie. What indie was it?

• 3:51Speaker 02

  It's, um, it's a really, it's a really cool, uh, film called The Return of Stanley Atwell. It's a, a period piece in the 1950s where. I play a the heir to a massive fortune who everyone thought was dead. And then he shows up 15 years later.

• 4:10Speaker 00

  The guy who has the fortune.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yes, and they don't know if he's a doppelganger.

• 4:14Speaker 00

  Okay, so what's the sequel of Red, White and Royal Blue called? It's tongue twister, isn't it? Red, White and Royal Blue.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  To be honest.

• 4:22Speaker 00

  You call it Red, White?

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Red, White and Royal Wedding is the sequel.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  You guys are getting married?

• 4:28Speaker 02

  Well, that's the that's the sort of the Easter.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  You really had to be there for when that first dropped. You know, you had to be there.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  I was there.

• 4:36Speaker 00

  You were there. You were in it. It's amazing. I rewatched it the other week in prep for this.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  It's it's amazing how how well it did as well. I mean, obviously, I know the books were really successful, but it did really well for Amazon.

• 4:51Speaker 00

  And. Oh, well, that, yes.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  I feel like, you know, especially since the strike, it's been in interesting times in terms of how movies are getting made and stuff like that. And I think it's almost going back to this old model where, you know, when you when you had a sort of close relationship with the studio, you know, they trust you.

• 5:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Kind of keep, I think that's kind of partially it.

• 5:10Speaker 00

  How would you elevator pitch that movie to me if I had never seen it before?

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Well, it's it's an animated show that, you know, was a toy line that Dolph Lundgren from Rocky fame. I don't know if you saw seen Rocky.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  Boxer.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Boxer.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  Isn't Sylvester Stallone in Rocky?

• 5:30Speaker 02

  Yes, he is Rocky, actually.

• 5:33Speaker 00

  When I tell you I literally that was like as if I had a basketball and I was facing this way and the hoop was this way and I went like this.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  You know, it's like one of the most famous movies of all time, though. I mean, I don't know.

• 5:43Speaker 00

  You could have, you could have told me Schwarzenegger, you could have told me anyone, I would have said, right.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Wait, what's your favorite movie?

• 5:50Speaker 00

  Of all time?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 00

  Devil's Prada.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  That's a fucking good, good movie.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  It's a good, you wanna know why it's my favorite movie?

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 5:57Speaker 00

  Cause I would never pull the fuck shit she did in Paris. When she drops her, and I get it, be like, well, that's the point. She lost herself. Okay?

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Hmm. So who do you think the real villain was then?

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Her boyfriend and her fuck ass friends who would not let her do anything. She wouldn't, she, she couldn't win. She couldn't win. She'd be like, oh my God, I had the best day at work. My boss loves me. Look how fashionable I am. Well, I'm like head to toe, like in whatever she wants, like showing up late to dinner, cunt chic, whatever. And her friends are like, we've lost you. Okay, so.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  But, but, okay, I, I mean, I hear you. Yes. But also it is, you know, it's like, it, it's difficult when you're in a relationship with someone and you feel like they, they're changing in front of your eyes and you can't, you can't connect, you know, with them anymore.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  I know it's sad, but should she have quit her job over it? No.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  No. I, have you seen the sequel?

• 6:42Speaker 00

  No, I've been dying to.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  Really?

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Love the touch. Uh.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  The touch?

• 6:48Speaker 02

  The touch man.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's great. He's awesome.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Streep.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  Isn't he also in Burlesque?

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  Stanley?

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Fact check?

• 6:58Speaker 00

  No, because Burlesque is definitely Luis's favorite movie of all time.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  I, I, sorry, there's a bunch of. I think he is, wait, wait. Burlesque, is that Wagon Wheel with Tucci?

• 7:09Speaker 00

  I've never.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Oh my God, he is in it.

• 7:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I knew it. And I've never even seen it, by the way.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Can you, can, is, is Burlesque with Christina Aguilera?

• 7:16Speaker 00

  It does.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  And there's the amazing thing where she, where she was like.

• 7:19Speaker 00

  I know every song. I know any song.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  Tell me to play whatever song and I'll do whatever song. And I've never seen them. You know what? Tonight I'm gonna watch Burlesque. So, okay, so in red, white and gold, can we talk for like five seconds about it?

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 7:31Speaker 00

  So who's in charge of the relationship there? You or the president's son? Like, who do you think leads, who do you think leads the way?

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I think, I think I do. I think I do, yeah. I think, I think he's more, uh,

• 7:49Speaker 02

  I think Alex is more happy-go-lucky, you know, and, and Henry's kinda, he's, he's kinda one of those sort of quite, he's quite emotional. So, Alex kinda has to adjust to his, his mood swings, I think, all the time.

• 8:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Did you have fun filming the second one?

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had a good time. I mean, it's the first time I've, I've, I've gone back to shoot anything, you know, done a sequel. So it's kinda trippy, you, you know, you usually, you get so used to. Walking with people and then, you know, not seeing them for, for a decade.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  And so that was really, really nice.

• 8:20Speaker 00

  Right.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  And, and, you know, seeing Uma again.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Oh, Uma.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Who I've, who I've worked with.

• 8:25Speaker 00

  Every time she pops up in a movie, I'm like, that's Uma Thurman.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  It's kind of crazy, isn't it?

• 8:28Speaker 00

  Right?

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Pulp Fiction. What are you doing?

• 8:32Speaker 00

  I watch a lot of TV, like.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Wait, what, what TV do you watch?

• 8:37Speaker 00

  You know how Christina Aguilera is like, name every song that I could sing, I'll sing a song.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:40Speaker 00

  Name TV show.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  The Traitors.

• 8:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  So good, isn't it?

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Breaking Bad.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Sopranos.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  No.

• 8:51Speaker 00

  But keep going, because that doesn't count.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Grey's Anatomy.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Vampire Diary, okay.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  I think I'm, I'm trying to, I think subconsciously, I'm trying to choose things that I think you would have watched.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  TV show, go.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  I've seen Game of Thrones.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Yes, I've seen Game of Thrones.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Andor.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  No.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Okay, so this is not that impressive.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  You've seen kind of a regular amount of TV, I think.

• 9:18Speaker 00

  No, I've seen, yeah. Now you have me wondering what I do in my free time.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, what do you do?

• 9:24Speaker 00

  I don't know, but today, somebody tried to diagnose me on the internet with, what is it? And they, they listed the reasons why they think I, I have it. They go, you know, symptoms may include sudden weight gain. I respond, sudden, dot, dot, dot, weight gain? Go to my comment section, it's literally one of the top comments. She's like, I think you have this.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  On what?

• 9:44Speaker 00

  On my latest Instagram.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  What is it? It's a mental disorder?

• 9:48Speaker 00

  No.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  But we were talking about your.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  My weight gain.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  You were talking about your weight gain.

• 9:56Speaker 00

  Well, you had to put on some pounds for this role.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Again, you were so good at the transitions, that was so impressive.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  Wait, really?

• 10:03Speaker 02

  That's so good.

• 10:03Speaker 00

  But you did, no?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  I did, I did, I, uh.

• 10:06Speaker 00

  I don't know if that came across as rude, but you had to like bulk up.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  No, it, yeah, it was pretty rude.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  No, I, look, I, I had to put a lot of weight on in a quite short period of time. And I definitely.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  When you're putting that much size on you, as well as muscle, you also gain a lot of fat. And so I, I didn't recognize myself for a, a, a few months at least. And, and you know, you're getting asked to come and do like public like events and stuff like that. And you just don't see yourself, which is kind of trippy.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  So did you bulk and then cut?

• 10:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Okay. And that's, and you had to do it quickly.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so you're eating a lot. I was eating like 5,000 calories a day. Yeah, it was not fun. It was, it was, it was kind of like a sickening amount of food.

• 10:55Speaker 00

  What were you eating? Like, okay, wake up.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  Okay, wake up and the, the big omelette, breakfast potatoes, fruits. And then there'd be sort of a snack in between, then like big lunch with like a lot of rice, a lot of protein, then another snack. Then kind of do the same thing again, then another snack.

• 11:13Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, two lunches?

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you kind of have, yeah. Well.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  Did your stomach hurt all the time?

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. It was, it just wasn't fun. It, you, you're kind of going from eating way too much food to way too little.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  Little, yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  And I'm like, not a good person when I, I'm, I'm hang, I'm a hangry person.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  You know, I'm, I, so that was also equally difficult.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  You're a Libra.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I am. How did you know that?

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Because I looked up your birthday.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  And, but I get that Libra vibe in you.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  What is, what does that say about me?

• 11:43Speaker 00

  It's like you want peace, like you're good with whatever, you're chill, like you're happy-go-lucky.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  You're not in the mood to fight. What's your partner?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  I don't, you know, it's interesting you say that I'm not in the mood to fight. I think I am. I think I, I think I like to fight.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  You like to fight?

• 12:00Speaker 02

  I, I think I'm quite a, I, I think I'm quite a confrontation. You, you are right. I am, I do feel like I like justice. I like balance. Um, I care about.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Different people's perspective on it. I feel like the, the way to sort of achieve harmony in life is to kind of get all viewpoints, but, but I also, I think I'm quite emotional and uh.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  Libras can be emotional.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and, but I, I can react in a sort of passionate way. I think when I feel uh, yeah, like scorned.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  Okay. Aren't you a Libra?

• 12:36Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Would you say that's true to you?

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much like nailed it exactly.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, yeah, Nolan feels strongly about things.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Or I don't feel strongly about anything. Yeah. It's one or the other.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  We're kind of mercurial beings, aren't we?

• 12:54Speaker 01

  That's a good word for it.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  So you.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  So you want to try my candy?

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Want to try what?

• 13:01Speaker 00

  My candy.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Yes, I do. Of course. Yeah, yeah.

• 13:04Speaker 00

  So this is my own special skew that we're releasing soon. Do you want pink or do you want blue?

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Uh, pink.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Are they, are they different flavors?

• 13:15Speaker 00

  That look, that one's sad.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  So, so octopus.

• 13:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Because you have a passion for octopus. Is it like, you're like a candy sommelier and you have to like.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  I guess. Yeah, I kind of love that. Mm, mm.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  Mm, mm.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  It's good. So.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  You like?

• 13:37Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  So this is your first podcast, you say?

• 13:44Speaker 00

  Do you think you'll ever do another one?

• 13:46Speaker 02

  I think this is it for me. I think this is, it won't get better.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  So the octopus comes, oh, it won't get better.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that could mean that I even, didn't even mean in that, in that way, but yeah.

• 13:58Speaker 00

  Which, how'd you mean it?

• 14:00Speaker 02

  This isn't about me.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  So do you actually want to hear about octopus or like?

• 14:04Speaker 02

  I, I love octopus.

• 14:05Speaker 00

  The creature or the food?

• 14:07Speaker 02

  The food.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  In college, I had an internship at a record label and then they like, were like, hey, you need to go finish college before you work for us full time. And I was smoking a lot of weed. You smoke weed?

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Not anymore, no.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Used to?

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Used to, yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Okay. So I was smoking a lot of weed and I was really bored. And so I made this account called Path That Puss where I would go out to eat and I would eat octopus and review it and be like, mm, one out of, this is really good. Six point four out of eight tentacles. Hi pussies, tense up. And so that's where this came from and now we're here.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  What would you expect? Did you suspect it was shut the fuck up? When I'm fucking talking?

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Did you expect that it was going to evolve into something else? Because it's kind of a niche, right? Like, I finished talking now. That was the first thought.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  I had, no, it is crazy how much I've cut you off. But can I tell you, it's a testament to how comfortable I feel with you.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, because we're having a conversation. To be fair, I haven't noticed it. Yeah.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  So you can shut the fuck up.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, no, if you told me while I was reviewing Octopus that I would end up with a show called Therapists that somehow made its way onto Netflix, no. I kind of thought it was just like a high habit.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you still review Octopus?

• 15:23Speaker 00

  I haven't in a while, but I'll probably do it tomorrow because we're going to Vegas.

• 15:29Speaker 00

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• 16:41Speaker 02

  If I can like stay in my house like as much as possible, like I will.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  Really? What do you do at home?

• 16:49Speaker 02

  Just, uh, I, I whittle wood.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  You're lying right now.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  No, yeah, that's my, I make little chess pieces.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  Shit.

• 17:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just kind of.

• 17:01Speaker 00

  That's what you do all day? And you listen to music while you do that?

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Listen to music.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  What music you listen to?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  I kind of do everything, really. I know that's such a wanky answer.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  Okay, well, you're, let's say we're whittling wood right now. Okay, you need to put on a song. What are you playing?

• 17:15Speaker 02

  I'm playing, what am I playing? Like Bonnie Fair. Oh, my God, that's so, oh, okay. That was good.

• 17:23Speaker 00

  I love Bonnie Fair.

• 17:27Speaker 00

  Favorite album?

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Um, oh, I don't know, the, the, the.

• 17:31Speaker 00

  The new one?

• 17:32Speaker 02

  The new one.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  The new one is great, right? Sable Table.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  I, I love everything that he does.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  He does, yeah. What's your favorite Bonnie Fair song?

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Oh, um, what is it called? Thirty Three God?

• 17:43Speaker 00

  Oh, you know, I haven't really given that one a chance yet, but I know I need to.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  It's kind of like weird and miss, oh, no, it's not. It might, the Wolves, uh, what do they call it? The Wolves Acts One and Two.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Those are really good. It's like, it plays at the end of, uh, Place Beyond the Pines as well. Really slow.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  Never seen that.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  I love Ethel Kane. I listen to a lot of Ethel Kane.

• 17:58Speaker 00

  You listen to Ethel Kane?

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:00Speaker 00

  Crush?

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Crush.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  Crush is great.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  It's my favorite song.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  Bonnie Fair. You listen to a lot of Bonnie Fair while you're whittling wood.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that sounds really.

• 18:07Speaker 00

  That makes sense.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Does it?

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, I feel like that's what he would want.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, no, it's definitely what he would want. Um, it's not, I don't just whittle wood. I don't want to like paint this image of me as some sort of like lonesome. It's not really.

• 18:23Speaker 00

  Wood whittler.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Wood whittler, yeah. I was gonna say lumberjack, which was making me sound kind of cooler, but that's, that's not what I do.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Is that what a lumberjack does?

• 18:30Speaker 02

  No, a lumberjack cuts down trees.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  And do they still exist?

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  You sure?

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I am sure.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  There's places in the world that.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Require lumberjacks.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  We still use wood. This whole room is made of wood. Someone had to do that, right?

• 18:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was Interwoven Studios.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Interwoven Studios?

• 18:58Speaker 00

  They built the set.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. But they must have got it from a lumberjack.

• 19:02Speaker 00

  You think?

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Look, I don't know.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's just a guy, but that's probably what you'd call a guy who.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Well, right. Have you seen Train Dreams?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  No, I haven't. Is he a lumberjack?

• 19:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, talk about a fucking lumberjack.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Have you seen Train Dreams?

• 19:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  That doesn't seem like the kind of movie I.

• 19:21Speaker 00

  I saw every single Oscar nom this year. What was your first movie?

• 19:25Speaker 02

  It was a tiny, tiny movie called The Beat Beneath My Feet, where I I played this like kid who like has an absentee father and then a disgraced rock god who like faked his own death like moves in next door and he like

• 19:42Speaker 02

  blackmails him into like teaching him. It like doesn't really make any sense.

• 19:45Speaker 00

  And he shows you the beat beneath your feet?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  It didn't do that well, but I wasn't trying to be an actor and so it was kind of.

• 19:52Speaker 00

  You weren't?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  No, I was I was trying to be a rugby player.

• 19:56Speaker 00

  What?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I I hadn't acted until I left school.

• 20:01Speaker 00

  Okay, so what caused the shift?

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Uh, I hurt myself playing rugby, so I couldn't do it anymore. And then I got really anxious and depressed. And then my friends at school were actors and they said, why don't you come audition for a play? And I did. And then I got scouted and then I was like.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  You got scouted?

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  I'm like, you have like a real Hollywood dream.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  I mean, it's it's look, compared to like, I'm sure you've had people on who are like properly trained and stuff like that. Like, I mean, I always felt a little chip on my shoulder that I didn't have that. But to be honest, I kind of came to it in a much more organic way. And I think it makes my love for it kind of more more you get less jaded, I think, when you've kind of you haven't had money drawn from you to like do the thing you love. Does that make sense?

• 20:51Speaker 00

  So because it happened to you so organically.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I wasn't desperate for it. Like, I think there's some of these actors, like, you know, whether it's they come from like an acting family, or, you know, they wanted to when they were five years old, and then they did it in in high school, and then they went to a, you know, acting school or whatever, and then they come out of the acting school and they've paid all this money for it, and they're not getting these jobs. They've committed their whole life already by the time they're like twenty one to achieving this thing, which, you know, some of it has to do with talent, but a lot of it is just being in the right place at the right time, and, um, and people just like noticing you. And so I kind of came into it being like,

• 21:35Speaker 02

  like, I could care less, really. Like, I don't really know what I'm gonna do with my life, but like, if this works out, great. And then my love for it kind of started to build and build and build. And, um, and now I like, it's kind of who I am in a lot of ways. So.

• 21:50Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Have you ever acted?

• 21:52Speaker 00

  I have. I did my first movie in Portland this summer.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Oh, no way. What was the movie?

• 21:57Speaker 00

  Wishful Thinking.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Who's that with?

• 21:59Speaker 00

  Uh, Lewis Pullman, Maya, Maya Hawke.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Haven't met her.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  You've never met Maya?

• 22:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 22:04Speaker 00

  She's great. She's great.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  I mean, looks extraordinarily like her mum.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Quite crazy.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  It's crazy. She's so lovely. I had the best time.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  How did you find it?

• 22:14Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Is that what you want to do?

• 22:16Speaker 00

  Want to do, yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Did you always want to do it?

• 22:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I love doing this as well, but I think I have a little more fun when like, I don't know, like.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  What, why do you think you have more fun? Just playing another character?

• 22:28Speaker 00

  I think I, being able to like, like, when I say something stupid on here, like, I'm saying it as Jake.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have to bear all the embarrassment.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. But if I do something as like a character.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, I mean, that's very interesting. I feel like a big thing for me with acting is letting go of the ego around being embarrassed after, you know, taking a swing at something.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  And it's really interesting because you, you, you had Rachel Sena on, who I love, and, you know, she was part, part my, I'd say, my probably biggest learning experience.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Was on the film with her when we did Bottoms because that was the first time I did a really broad comedy.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  Oh my god, you worked with Kaya.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Kaya as well.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  The whole gang, I'm sure you know all those guys, they're such a.

• 23:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're great.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  I met Io as well.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  I met Io like twice, so lovely.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it stands you in good stead that you don't feel as embarrassed making choices as another character.

• 23:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  That's a really good thing, but like I remember, you know, I read that script and obviously like my character is kind of a small part of that movie, but I knew I like desperately really wanted to do it. And once I got it, then it was like, oh, I felt this huge responsibility to be funny, which is kind of like the worst thing in the world because uh, well, you just force it. And then I got kind of embarrassed trying to force it, but then by the end of the job, I think just like kind of letting go and letting go of ego.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Trying things out, but the fact that you're already experiencing, that means you're kind of, you're ready for it, I guess.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  You think?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  I just, I mean, I don't know, like all the time I have to remind myself to just uh, like not care so much.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  I know, it's hard though.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  And especially hard to do that in a, when you make your passion your job as well.

• 24:32Speaker 00

  Right.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Cause you have to keep earning the response, the, the, the ability to like do the thing that you love. I think that's the scary thing. You, because, because nothing is a given as an actor and you know, industry can turn around tomorrow and say, hmm, there's a younger, better looking, more talented version of you, like we'll just cast him instead.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  You have to keep earning and proving to people that you have the ability um, to, to have these opportunities that can go away at any instant. And when your ego comes into it, my, my waffling.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  It's a waffle.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  It means chatting shit.

• 25:13Speaker 00

  No, no, I'm, I'm listening.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  When your, when your ego comes into it as well, I mean, it's, and, and you keep, you know, telling yourself, oh, I'm not good enough and, and, and that was really, that take was really, really shit. Like, I don't know why I did that. It's so embarrassing. You kind of go into yourself and then, and then you, you can't be creative anymore. And then it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy in a way.

• 25:34Speaker 00

  Did you experience this after Red White?

• 25:37Speaker 02

  I, I mean, not.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  Red White was like everywhere. Do you remember?

• 25:43Speaker 02

  It was.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Everywhere.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  When did that come out? 2021?

• 25:48Speaker 00

  2022?

• 25:49Speaker 02

  I think maybe.

• 25:49Speaker 00

  It was huge, huge.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I always find it hard to remember because it was, we didn't really promote it because of the.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  Strike?

• 25:56Speaker 02

  The strike, yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  It, it, I didn't feel that as much with Red White because, you know, I was cast first in the whole process and, and, sorry, not, not a flex, but, but as in, I felt like, oh,

• 26:17Speaker 02

  you've earned the opportunity. And then when other people sort of kind of, you know, I tested with Taylor and then Uma came on board. It was kind of more, I had more time to kind of like ground myself in the experience and be like, yes. But then, you know, um, just the next year, then I did that, um, I did a movie with Anne Hathaway called The Idea of You. Um, and then I did this show called Mary and George with Julianne Moore, which was this sort of period piece. And so then it was like, you know, sharing the screen with these, I mean, two Oscar winners. And every day you're kind of going, I see

• 26:56Speaker 02

  in them sort of vaguely where I want to get to, like, do I have enough ability to do that? You're kind of in awe of what they're able to do.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  So you had real imposter syndrome?

• 27:08Speaker 02

  I mean, I still do in a lot of ways, you know, talking about He-Man, I mean, like when someone says, here you are going to play a god, the strongest man in the uniform and you have to look like this. I mean, you kind of go like, I'm just a person. I don't really know how to embody a sort of larger than life character. But I mean, I, I don't know, like, is there any actor that you think you've come across who you were like, that person is entirely confident and authentic in every moment?

• 27:44Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  That they, you have? Who?

• 27:46Speaker 00

  Timothy, probably Timothy Chalamet.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Oh, really? Interesting.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I feel like that's why he went so much.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  But do you think he spent a long time getting to that place? You think he was always that way?

• 27:58Speaker 00

  Have you seen the videos of him in school?

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Uh, we're doing the rap rap stuff?

• 28:02Speaker 00

  He's been so himself forever.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 00

  I think he's worked incredibly hard. I think he's incredibly talented. But I think the reason people gravitate towards him so much is because like, he's him.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  But you can, I mean, sure, but also people evolve. And so you're always you in different ways. I mean, like, you could even look in in terms of his like clothing, like how he started a few years ago. It's how he is, you know?

• 28:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  You can't say necessarily one is like more authentic than the other, but.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think you're kind of just like forced to change as well, but but that's interesting. I can, I can definitely see, I think he was, I mean, I loved Marty Supreme and I thought also the way he promoted the movie was like.

• 28:40Speaker 00

  Brilliant.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Entirely someone who knew who they were and what they wanted to achieve out of.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  Right. Well, what was smart about that was that was like the whole bit of the movie.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did you, was that your favorite movie? What was your favorite movie of the awards?

• 28:55Speaker 00

  Favorite movie this year was Train Dreams.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 28:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  You know, I'd, I'd love Joel Edgerton, so I really want to see it, but that was the one I haven't seen.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  It was really moving.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  What else did you like?

• 29:04Speaker 00

  I liked Train Dreams. I liked, I liked Hamlet, which is crazy because I hate period pieces.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:12Speaker 00

  Hate.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  What do you hate about it?

• 29:14Speaker 00

  Hate, hate, hate.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  What do you hate about it?

• 29:16Speaker 00

  My thing with them is I just don't know what you're saying. So like, I can't, and it's like.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Okay, but what if it, what if it's, what if it's like a period thing with like modern, like a Bridgerton, like with modern language? Oh, so you're like really.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Give me a cellphone.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  You're in.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  Give me a cellphone.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Wait, but so, okay, so what, so you won't watch something that like Robert Eggers does, for example, like Nosferatu?

• 29:38Speaker 00

  No, I saw Nosferatu.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  But he like famously won't, he doesn't want to shoot anything that has a cellphone in it.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I didn't understand anything that was going on in the movie at all, ever.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  But you got the vibes of the movie, right? You could, you enjoy it just like, really? No?

• 29:50Speaker 00

  It was like a vampire.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  But Train Dreams is kind of period, isn't it?

• 29:54Speaker 00

  Very much so.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  So you're just the oxymoron, really?

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just, I like Train Dreams because I got it. I was like, okay, I understand this. And it made me cry at the end. And I was like.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Did it make you, did you not think you were gonna get it? So it made you feel quite like.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  No, my dad told me how much he loved it. And I was like, oh, my God, well, if he likes it, then I'll probably like it.

• 30:13Speaker 02

  I actually just started watching Euphoria.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  I knew you were, by the way, and I knew you were about to say.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Because it's just all over. Yeah, I feel like I've seen every clip on TikTok.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Have you seen season one? Or you just started for the first time ever?

• 30:28Speaker 02

  I, no, just for the first, well, no, that's not true. I watched, I watched like half of season one a while ago and then just thought, oh, it's really like quite dark. And what happens in this high school? This is like, like no high school I've ever known. Uh, and then, and then recently just started, finished it and then, and then started watching the second season and now the third season. I mean, by the way, like, I always knew Zendaya was like, great, but she's like.

• 30:55Speaker 00

  Incredible.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  I, I'm, I'm, I was like really floored by how great she is. And Sydney Sweeney as well.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  Season two is great. You just started season two?

• 31:03Speaker 02

  No, I finished it. I'm on season three. I'm halfway. Yeah, I'm up to date. I'm up to, I haven't seen the recent.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  I haven't seen the recent one either. You know who I thought was so amazing was that, uh, the stripper that Rue sent to rehab?

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, she was so good.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  She was so good. She was so good.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Just like wild.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  I hope they bring her back.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Well.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  Does she die? Is that what they say? Is that what they say in the last, well?

• 31:26Speaker 01

  It's kind of what it's implied.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  The implication is, yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 00

  Who implies that?

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Well, the Alamo sends them to this rehab and then they get taken away to either be trafficked or murdered.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  I think it's traffic, right?

• 31:37Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  That's the heavy implication.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  How is that implied?

• 31:41Speaker 02

  She goes there and there's no paperwork to fill out and she's like, okay, like where, like Zendaya, she's like, where, where are they going? Like, how do you, you know, how can I get in contact? And it's just like a dark, like building.

• 31:54Speaker 00

  It was just a shitty rehab.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  No, but that's why also just.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  Okay. So the implication is that they're being trafficked?

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Yes. Segue that.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  Huh.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  I'm loving it though.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  I thought she was gonna come back for the end of the season.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Well, I mean, we wait to be surprised, I guess, but.

• 32:16Speaker 00

  Fuck, I really liked her.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  I think she'll, I think she'll work a lot from, from the show. It's really interesting when you can see, you know, someone in a smaller role, like do something really special and you're like, oh, I like, they're gonna, they're gonna work.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  You know who's the most famous example of that?

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Who?

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Charlie Sheen.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 32:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 32:36Speaker 00

  For those that don't know, he had one scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, one scene. I'm glad I have chills thinking about it. And he was like late to set, cause it's Charlie Sheen. And he like shows up, does this one scene, blew up.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  Became Charlie Sheen.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  He's so charismatic.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Have you seen the doc on him?

• 32:54Speaker 02

  No, I need to. I need to. Is he one of your favorites, favorite actors?

• 32:58Speaker 00

  No.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Who moves you? Who's your favorite?

• 33:02Speaker 00

  Like if I'm like sat for them?

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'll go see them no matter what.

• 33:06Speaker 00

  What a good question.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Maybe I'm interviewing you now.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. Well, um, who are you sat for?

• 33:13Speaker 02

  I mean, really, when I was younger, it was Robin Williams, like everything Robin Williams did. I mean, he just had this light. It's, it's very interesting. I, I kind of feel, I mean, there's such weird comps, but I kind of feel like Ryan Gosling has this in a weird way of like, he's someone who's incredibly funny, really charming. He can do really emotional, dramatic stuff, but he has, he has a radiance about him that really just brings people on side. I like, it's, it's very hard. I mean, you know, you mentioned Timothy and, and obviously, you know, there's, he's had the issue with the whole, the, the ballet opera thing, which by the way, I went to the ballet for the first time the other day.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  And it was amazing. I have to say, like ballerinas are incredible and I had a great time, but. You know, he's someone, obviously, the way social media works, like, everyone has a sort of, if you're usually if you're doing well, people have a sort of split opinion on you. But someone like Ryan Gosling, I feel like he's very hard to, like, everyone loves him. This and that is kind of the same way, I guess.

• 34:17Speaker 00

  I'm always sat for Jennifer Lawrence.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Oh, she's great, isn't she?

• 34:22Speaker 00

  I'm always sat for her.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Did you see Die My Love?

• 34:24Speaker 00

  I did.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  It was heavy.

• 34:26Speaker 00

  I I'm sat for Jennifer Lawrence. I think I think her comedic timing is like some of the best in the game.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  I'm surprised she hasn't done more comedy.

• 34:34Speaker 00

  I know. I loved, you see No Hard Feelings?

• 34:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Best movie ever.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Do you think the, do you think that she kind of ushered in this like sense of, like, relatability? Because, you know, do you notice like there's a lot of these like A-listers now who are like trying to be relatable and where it's like, you know, they'll have their own TikTok or whatever. And it's like, she kind of, I mean, I remember she got really slammed for like, people thought she was trying too hard, but.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  You know who actually ushered that in first was Anne Hathaway? Do you remember that? She, there was like a fucking hate train on her and I never caught it because I love Anne Hathaway and I know you've worked with her.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  But she was pretty relatable.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 00

  But yeah, I guess Jennifer Lawrence really ushered in that, like.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, look, they're so different. I mean, I, you know, obviously Annie and I talked about this, but that was hard. That was very, like, strange and harsh, like someone winning the sort of highest award there is in the, in the industry and then people kind of really switching off. I think that reality is she's like a theater kid. You know, she's really intelligent. She's really, um, I don't know, bright and people don't like that, I think, a lot of the time. It's kind of the same. That was kind of the same thing with Jennifer Lawrence, don't think. She was like, she had a brightness. How do, how do you, how do you navigate it? Do you see people that you interview,

• 36:04Speaker 02

  like consistently try and navigate it as well? Like how much of themselves to share?

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Whilst also kind of, because it's kind of a poison chalice.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  Kind of. There's certain people that will come on and be more reserved.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but look, and I don't mean like from you, like you're putting this expectation on them. I mean, sort of the, the world at large is sort of putting this expectation on them and it's, you know, we're all on our journey to sort of be, you know, find our sort of most authentic self, but I think it's really hard to do.

• 36:39Speaker 00

  I've struggled with it recently. Like I think about what I say more. And I used to just like kind of rip it and like say whatever I wanted and like be myself and cut you off and do whatever and like, but now that people are like.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  You still cut people off.

• 36:54Speaker 00

  Yes, but if you think this is bad, go like, you have no idea how bad I used to be.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  It's like, it's, it's, um,

• 37:04Speaker 02

  well, it's just very, I think it's interesting for you because, you know, your, I say your journey is kind of much more uncharted, this sort of, what were you doing before? Were you doing like social media before?

• 37:16Speaker 00

  I was working at a record label.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Okay.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  For this guy named Zach. Zach is now my manager.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:23Speaker 00

  So it's like it very much all stayed in the family.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Did you go from feeling just like a regular sort of person to, oh, now I have to like put out this version of my, myself, I have to sort of put out of.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think I felt that way starting when I started doing tour.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Oh, you toured.

• 37:42Speaker 00

  I toured this and that's when I was like,

• 37:48Speaker 00

  um, oh, people are paying to see me put on a show right now. You can't like, there's not like, like, like this used to be on YouTube. It's not on YouTube anymore. It's on Netflix. But when it was on YouTube, it was like, I felt like I could kind of say and do whatever I wanted and be whatever mood I wanted to be in because people were clicking on that on their own free volition. But when they bought tickets to a show and they like paid money, I was like, oh, there, I have to put on a good show. Like I can't have someone leave here being like, I wasn't entertained.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  But did you still feel like it was you?

• 38:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  You weren't putting on.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  I was able to, I learned how to make it me.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:23Speaker 00

  I'll never forget it. I was about to go on stage and, um, I think it was.

• 38:29Speaker 00

  He was Vancouver. Was it Toronto or Vancouver? Which was the first Canada we went to?

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Toronto.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  It was Toronto. I was so hungover. Like so hungover. I'd never been hungover for a show before because I wasn't drinking. I was so hungover because we had New York the night before. And I just like really leaned into the fact that I was hungover and it worked really well and was one of my best shows. And I was like, oh, so like.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Well, we were talking about relatability.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's hard. It's like, it's hard because people will be like, oh, you're so relatable. You're so authentic. And then they'll want you to market it. And it's like, you can't market that. That doesn't, that's not how that works.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, and it's also like kind of a pressure.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  And then they'll want you to market it. And then you'll do something that is relatable and authentic. And they'll be like, well, no, you can't do that.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Do you, do you think actors can be relatable at a certain level?

• 39:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, but the audience doesn't let them.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Really?

• 39:24Speaker 00

  You're not allowed to be because everything you guys say and do is dissected on a level that a lot of other public figures are not. Everything. It's really interesting. I was, I, uh, I was, I have a show in development and we were talking about that. How I wanted to be in like the acting world and this. And they're like, it's so funny. You say that because you're in a world right now where you can get away with saying a lot more. And you want to be kind of like muzzled. And I don't think you're gonna like feeling muzzled.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 39:53Speaker 00

  Do you ever feel muzzled?

• 39:56Speaker 02

  Truthfully, I'm quite a, I'm quite a candid person. Like I, I think I wear my heart on my sleeve. And um, I, I, I really have a, I feel very compelled to be honest. Um, I think definitely that, I, I, I do think that there are things, no matter what I say, you know, people will disagree with. We, we kind of have lost the like a little bit of, I, I'm interested in nuance. Maybe that's the kind of the Libra thing. I don't know. Um, and I, I just, um. I think that's the thing that I really struggle with is I I want to have like really honest conversations.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  I I wouldn't say I feel muzzled at all. I kind of choose to like not share a lot about myself. And I think that that's not really like a mu- it was kind of self-muzzling in a way. But I I I'm I'm also just like, you know, when I when I asked you, like, you know, can can actors really be relatable? I mean, like, do people really want to hear like what actors have to say for themselves?

• 41:03Speaker 00

  I do, because actors are like kind of the face of pop culture, in a sense, actors and singers. And pop culture can be used as like a gateway, I feel like, for a lot of people to comment on like socio-economic issues without having to talk about politics. They can just kind of use the actors and the singers as like the front-facing man. Oh, my God, I am so smart. I'm like freak. Are you hearing me right now?

• 41:32Speaker 02

  I was in awe.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  Are you hearing me right now?

• 41:34Speaker 02

  I had chills.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  No, I'm literally talking at every word. I'm like thinking really hard about the next word. But I but don't you agree, though, that like people are like, everyone's freaking out about Timothy Chalamet and the ballet thing? But it's like, is that really what you're mad about?

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Do you think people just need to be mad at something in general?

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Sometimes, but I think like the this country is like in such a shit hole of shit holes that like people are, yes, people do want to be angry about something, but like people are more angry than usual.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 00

  I think is just what it is.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Like, gas so high.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Would you move?

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Um.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  No, you wouldn't. I didn't take it to a a sort of existential place too much. I can do that sometimes. Okay, okay.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  But you know what I do have to ask you?

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 00

  What are you therapist about today?

• 42:27Speaker 02

  I actually really don't feel like I'm therapist. I feel very, what are you therapist about? Can I ask that?

• 42:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Maybe you're a therapist.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  I went to go make myself a bowl of cereal and all my spoons were in the dishwasher and I didn't have any plastic spoons, so that was annoying. Then I woke up really fucking tired.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Like, we're tired than usual tired and I slept last night, full night's sleep.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  How many hours did you get?

• 42:51Speaker 00

  Eight and a half.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  I went to the gym.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Okay, now I'm therapist that you got eight and a half and I got like five.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  Went to the gym, still tired, got back from the gym, slept for twenty minutes, woke up, still tired, uncomfortable, actually. Then I had lunch and then I immediately felt sick, immediately felt sick, immediately felt like, oh, that was gross, because it was gross. Because I have like a hyperfixation meal every now and then.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Oh, what are you eating right now?

• 43:18Speaker 00

  Right now, I'm obsessed with getting the awake smoothie from Creation and avocado toast with cherry tomatoes and lox.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  And you've just been smashing that.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  Every single day.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:25Speaker 00

  And I finally got sick of it today because they forgot my hot sauce. And so I had to use a different hot sauce and you and it was just, so I was really angry about that.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  I've, I've been angry about this fucking cold that I've had.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm therapist because I, I did this like really intense movie and was completely healthy for all of it. And literally the day before I came here to do like the biggest press tour of my career, I like started feeling chilly.

• 43:57Speaker 00

  Duh.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  But why?

• 43:58Speaker 00

  Because your body was running on.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Like adrenaline.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  A ten.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  And then you had one brief moment where you were like, and then your body was like, okay, great.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  But I tried, I tried, I tried to tell myself, I was like, this is how, this is how it has to be. I shouldn't do that.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Well, no, your body, like your mind.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, but now what do I do? Because I've got this premiere later. Yeah, I'm a little under the weather.

• 44:21Speaker 00

  Like, but you don't sound it.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Well, I am.

• 44:24Speaker 00

  You want the honest answer of what to do?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  A steroid shot.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Steroids?

• 44:29Speaker 00

  When's the premiere?

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Uh, like in three hours.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, you need a steroid shot ASAP. Oh my god, what are you talking about? You need one like literally right after this.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  I thought, I thought you can do it like so soon after. Wait, what is a steroid shot?

• 44:43Speaker 00

  It's just like, it reduces the inflammation across your body. So like, so like when I was really sick, my sinuses hurt so far, my teeth hurt because my sinuses hurt. And everything hurt and so the steroid, it basically de-inflamies you.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  Are you saying that you think I look quite inflamed?

• 45:02Speaker 00

  No, but you're telling me you feel sick. I'm like, great, you should get a steroid shot.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  So why is it so hot in here?

• 45:07Speaker 00

  Like, I, by the way, and I told you that.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Like, I feel inflamed in my.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Yes, I know, and sometimes I start talking in this room and it gets so hot that my ear clogs up.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  Wait, you just said two things in the last minute that I've never heard. First of all, your teeth hurting.

• 45:22Speaker 00

  Because of your sinuses?

• 45:23Speaker 02

  I've never heard of that before.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  You've never heard of that before? That's very normal, mind you.

• 45:28Speaker 00

  You, what, you guys are out of your mind. Your teeth have never hurt because your sinuses hurt? Your sinuses are right here.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  So then if they're really inflamed and they're, and they're putting pressure and they're in.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:39Speaker 00

  Like the science, I've never felt like, I've never felt like the smart person in a room before. When your sinuses are inflamed, everything else when gets pushed and inflamed. So your top teeth.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but your teeth, like, what do you say? It goes through your gums?

• 45:53Speaker 00

  Everything is connected. It's the lymphs.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:57Speaker 00

  You should get a lymphatic.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  If I had time, I would.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Okay, but you don't, so you need a steroid shot.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 46:03Speaker 00

  I'm having a really fun time with you.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm glad, me too.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  But you know what I can't stop thinking about?

• 46:07Speaker 02

  What?

• 46:07Speaker 00

  Are you gonna add me to your close friends?

• 46:09Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, but we gotta follow each other first.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  I know, you know, we don't even follow each other.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  No, I, I was thinking about it beforehand, but then I thought I could come here and then, and you could have been a terrible person. And then I wouldn't have wanted, and then I would have made the commitment too early, you know?

• 46:23Speaker 00

  Okay, so do you?

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Have you ever followed someone like too quickly and then got to know them and been like, oh? Really?

• 46:31Speaker 00

  I'll just unfollow them.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  Or I'll just like keep, I'll just scroll.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Have you?

• 46:36Speaker 00

  People are like, this is the fucking thing. Just scroll, just scroll.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it means, it means something, a follow means something.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't. Just scroll.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  How many people do you follow?

• 46:47Speaker 00

  A thousand eight hundred.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  There you go. It's nothing to you.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  It's just like, just scroll if you don't like it. Does it really need to derail your day that much?

• 46:55Speaker 02

  No, but.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  How many people do you, do you follow?

• 46:59Speaker 02

  I think like. 300?

• 47:02Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:03Speaker 00

  Oh, follow me.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  So.

• 47:09Speaker 00

  You guys know I am Poppy's number one fan and I have been Poppy's number one fan. But what I love about Poppy is their ability to tap into current cultural moments and make a culinary moment out of that, which is actually very hard to do. And they've done it once again with the Love Island themed punch pop, which is one of my favorite flavors I've ever had. I love like anything like berry fruity, like you know, I die for that. And you know, I just showed Niall Poppy and he loved it. It's crazy that he's never had it before. I love Poppy more than anything and honestly, maybe I should just have a little sip with you guys right here.

• 47:50Speaker 00

  Five grams of sugar.

• 47:55Speaker 00

  Soda's back, but so much better. Only five grams of sugar. Poppy, I love you.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  You know what? I just had a really good idea.

• 48:07Speaker 00

  To promote this episode, what if?

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  I came over to your house.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  Where do you think I'm going with this?

• 48:16Speaker 02

  I really don't know, but I'm liking where.

• 48:19Speaker 00

  What's the one?

• 48:20Speaker 02

  And give me a, and give me a Sterro shot?

• 48:22Speaker 00

  No, and we Whittlewood together.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Should we do it?

• 48:26Speaker 02

  We could do that.

• 48:27Speaker 00

  Would you be down?

• 48:28Speaker 02

  I mean, 100%.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  So where do you Whittlewood?

• 48:31Speaker 02

  In London.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  When's the next time you're gonna be in London?

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Uh, uh, right after this, wait.

• 48:37Speaker 00

  Okay, no, I'm thinking, so you're gonna be in London right after this?

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Right after this.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  So will you be in London in the beginning of June?

• 48:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. You wanna come, Will?

• 48:44Speaker 00

  I will come Whittlewood. I will be in London. I can be, I can be in, I, and don't even fucking play with me. Don't even give me that look. I can be in London, June 9th. Will you be in London, June 9th?

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Do you want a Whittlewood on June 9th?

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Wait, so you that's my one day?

• 49:03Speaker 00

  Well.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Like, you're not gonna give me like a time.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  I have to be back for Cassidy's birthday on the 13th.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm I'm doing I'm in New York for a few days. Working with Ben Stiller for my next movie, so I don't know if. Yep, that's right, guys.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, he went to my high school.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 49:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  He's kind of an icon.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  Uh, talk about icon, Severance is the best show ever made.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  I mean, but that also the fact that you that's interesting, like I I said, Ben Stiller, and you think Severance.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Well, that's current. What do you what do you think when you think?

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Well, I think like Zoolander.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  I only like girly humor, like I like girl humor, like I like Clueless, I like Mean Girls, I like Bridesmaids, I like Trainwreck, like I like. I like Insecure, I like Girls, I like, like, I like Broad City.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  What if, like, Will Ferrell was like, Jake, there's this great part for you in this, like, boy, boyish, kind of, like, buddy comedy? You do it.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  I would take it and I would bring my my own humor. I wouldn't try to like.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Which is you think inherently like feminine, is that what you say?

• 50:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's definitely more flamboyant. All my best friends were girls, my mom always had girl, like, her friends around, like. I was like raised by like women in comedy, like Maya Rudolph, Kristen Wiig, not that they were around in my house, but like that's what I watched.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Your mom's, yeah, yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 00

  That's who I watched. I grew up watching Kristen Wiig, Maya Rudolph, Chelsea Handler, Amy Schumer, Joan Rivers, like, that's my humor.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  That's like.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  I know what you mean.

• 50:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  I know what you mean.

• 50:32Speaker 00

  Like the like, I just like the the boy humor, like, I can't, it doesn't work for me. And I don't mean to sound like whatever, but like, I've never seen The Hangover.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  You feel, do you feel it's unsophisticated?

• 50:43Speaker 00

  No, I don't. It just doesn't do it for me. I don't laugh.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  But I've also never given it a chance, and I think maybe that's because I felt rejected as a child.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Have you, this isn't like a plug for myself, but did you see Bottoms?

• 50:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Would you say that that was? Would you say that humor had a femininity to it?

• 51:02Speaker 00

  I think it had a really good mix of both.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  That's what I think too.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  I think it had a, and I think that's why it hit so hard.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  It's, it's really, oh God, that's so brilliant.

• 51:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, so brilliant.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Rachel's so brilliant. I was so brilliant.

• 51:13Speaker 00

  Did you work with Kaya at all?

• 51:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, and, and Kaya, by the way, like, I mean, first of all, she's so smart.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  Smartest person in the room at all times.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  She, she like really, like, I feel like that was a really, I don't know if she'd done anything before that.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  I think she did American Horror Story before that.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. But that's a very different, like so dry, uh, like dry comedy as well.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  Dry, that.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 00

  That is my favorite comedy.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Okay, you want to do Tell Me What's Wrong?

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's this?

• 51:48Speaker 00

  I feel like you're going to be hostage. By the way, you know, you're going to get a steroid shot after this.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  I'm so excited. I think my body just like.

• 51:53Speaker 00

  You're, you.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Spruced up thinking about it.

• 51:55Speaker 00

  What do I do if my friend is the problem in his relationship? Nothing. I just moved in with my friend who complains about his boyfriend not doing anything, not doing what he wants and not giving him attention. But when I witness them conversing, my friend is so dismissive and mean to his boyfriend. I'm not getting involved, but I can't defend him, my friend, when he complains because he is the problem. Well, my mom always said, you don't get involved in anyone else's relationship ever.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  But you should tell your friend.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  But also, like, your friends are an extension of you in some ways. And if you start to, like, curate an environment where you're all kind of, like, if they're doing something kind of a little toxic, that could kind of come back onto you, do you know what I mean?

• 52:37Speaker 00

  If I was this person.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. What would I, what would you do?

• 52:40Speaker 00

  I would, um, I would say to my friend, you are the problem. Like, my best friend Julia, like, when she's in her relationship, I'm like, you, this is a you problem. Like, you are behaving wrongly. Like, why can't you just say to your friend, like, this is your fault? That's not your real friend then. Hi, Jake. And Nicholas Galitzine.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Oh, these are the people have written these into you.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, I see, I see.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Hi Jake, I'm a senior in college and I'm graduating soon. I'm feeling like I didn't do enough during these years and I'm not ready to let go of this period of my life. Everything is about to change and I feel like I didn't let loose enough the past four years. Help, I want to feel better about this.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  You can still party after college.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also what would they, what were they expecting to get out of college? Was it, was it really that they just want to go out more?

• 53:25Speaker 00

  That's what it sounds like.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Do you, how old are you?

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Twenty-four?

• 53:34Speaker 00

  Twenty-six.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Okay, and you still go out?

• 53:36Speaker 00

  All the time.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  All the time, have the best time of my life, dance, dance the night away. I have more fun going out post-crowd than I did, than I did in college. I would say.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Oh, you went to college?

• 53:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  I did, and you'll never guess which one.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  USC.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  I was gonna say USC. Go Trojans, huh? What was the alternative? If the.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  Working in music.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Okay, but then how did, how did you?

• 54:07Speaker 00

  Because working in music's a lot about like, um, networking, right? So like, I wanted to be in A and R. Basically, it's like finding new artists. And that requires a lot of like going into rooms and like mingling and networking and like finding, and I've, I've been told, I've been told I have a good ear.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Well, did you find anyone?

• 54:23Speaker 00

  No, because I did this.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 54:25Speaker 00

  So right before I started on my A and R journey, this happened.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Well, okay, so but do you, do you ever listen to someone who's not very known? And then like you put people onto them and then they like blow up?

• 54:36Speaker 00

  No, I would say I do that more with television.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  Like I would, I would really hyper fix it. I can really put people onto TV.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Like what, what kind of shows can you put me on?

• 54:45Speaker 00

  But they're, I mean, have you seen Industry?

• 54:48Speaker 02

  It's my fucking favorite show.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  What?

• 54:51Speaker 02

  I think that show is.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  I, did you ever see Skins?

• 54:57Speaker 00

  So I couldn't get through it when I was a kid.

• 54:59Speaker 02

  I mean, like.

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Because it really bugged me out when the cast, who's parents, uh, who's the, who's the?

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Nick Holt?

• 55:06Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no, no. Who's the one who's like really trouble? Effy.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Effy.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  When her parents were like fucking in front of her, it really bugged me out and I had to turn it off.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's like Euphoria, basically.

• 55:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I was too young.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Like, I think Euphoria took so much from Skins.

• 55:18Speaker 00

  It did.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  But I think Industry is kind of like unofficial sequel to Skins.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  You love Industry? I didn't know that about you.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  I think it's brilliant. I think the first season, first of all, I think Marissa is, uh, kind of like genius.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  She is.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  She's just so, she has like a emotionality to her and a hardness and, and, and I think also, you know, that character is so well-written. But that first season is all about these like people trying to find themselves.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  Okay, so the season finale of season three is the best episode of television ever.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  I mean that, like them looking at each other across the table, uh.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  I need a song.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  I need an edit of Rob and Yasmin to, um.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Are you thinking of?

• 56:09Speaker 00

  She was in Texas.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  Because she, she chose Kid Harrenton.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Which, again, you know, talking about seeing things on TikTok, she's regretting now from, in the new season, right?

• 56:22Speaker 00

  She, Yas doesn't know who she is.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  No, and she, well, and also she wasn't just choosing him, she was choosing.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  The life.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  The life, yeah. And she can't live without the life.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  She cannot live without the life.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  She does not know a life where, other than that. So I don't think she regrets it at all. I think she's just annoyed. You have to watch the new season. It's unbelievable. It's actually unbelievable. Season four, episode two, Emmy, calling their motherfucking names, calling their names.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  My roommate is rude and insane and she uses her OCD and depression to play herself as the victim 24/7. She tries to tell me who I can and can't hang out with. And to top it off, she comments on my weight and health. I need to confront her, but she never listens and just slips on us. Why would she comment on your weight and health?

• 57:06Speaker 02

  This is, this has nothing to do with that, but talking about bad roommates. So, you know, I said to you when I first came to LA.

• 57:16Speaker 00

  You had seven roommates?

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I was living on the couch in this, they ran an app out of this house. And one day.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry?

• 57:24Speaker 02

  They ran an app out of this house. They all work for this app.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  I thought you were staying in an apartment.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's kind of cool. It's like, kind of like app.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Shit, okay, I might throw that out there. Okay, so, so, so, this always reminds me of that. Did you watch the OC growing up?

• 57:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  I guess I'm not Christina Aguilera in Berla.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  You're not. So, these, these German guys come in, they're the new roommates who are coming in, and there's this one guy, [BLEEP], who I, I like to think I'm quite perceptive of people, and I got a really bad vibe off of him.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Really?

• 58:01Speaker 02

  And I told my best friend, do you know this app, The Locks Club? You heard of it?

• 58:06Speaker 00

  Yes, I've heard of it.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Do you know Austin Kevich?

• 58:07Speaker 00

  Yes, very well.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  He's my best friend. So, he, he, I, I have.

• 58:11Speaker 00

  Austin Kevich is your best friend?

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:13Speaker 00

  So, you know Sophie Julia?

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Yes, of course. I have, I kind of have a career because of Austin, because when I had no money and I would just book to come out to LA, uh, he let me stand his couch.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Oh, that's awesome. Austin's the man.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  Oh, he's, uh, he's the best.

• 58:28Speaker 00

  Are you Jewish?

• 58:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  I just surround myself with.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  With juice.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Juice, I think.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  I told him, I said, I was like, Austin, this guy, there's something seriously wrong with him. Cut to, a couple of years later, after COVID, have you heard of [BLEEP]?

• 58:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  The whole thing is a complete scam.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  How did it scam?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  They're fake Covid tests.

• 58:52Speaker 00

  What?

• 58:53Speaker 02

  They would fake, I literally, we heard him on the phone, basically putting this whole thing together. I don't know if you're gonna include this, there's an FBI case against him.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  Is it public knowledge that there's a case against him?

• 59:06Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know, there should be. We're making a documentary.

• 59:10Speaker 00

  You are?

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Well, Austin is mainly, yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 00

  Oh, so you're like the production side of things a little bit, huh?

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've started producing most of my own stuff.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Really?

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Good for you. Can you cast me?

• 59:21Speaker 02

  I'm trying to think what you'd be, what you'd be right for.

• 59:24Speaker 00

  I'll do anything. Like Christina Aguilera for last, I know any number.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  There's a movie I'm doing, which is, uh, do you know who Gus Van Sant is?

• 59:34Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Have you seen My Own Private Idaho? He also directed Good Will Hunting, this guy.

• 59:39Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Which you also haven't seen.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  Is that the one where?

• 59:43Speaker 02

  I can always tell by people's reaction when they're pretending that they've seen.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Is that the one where I'm gonna go see about a girl?

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Oh, I don't remember that line, but yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 00

  What?

• 59:51Speaker 02

  How about them apples?

• 59:53Speaker 00

  Is that from Good Will Hunting?

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  That's where that saying is from. Good Will Hunting.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 00

  How about them apples is from Good Will Hunting?

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Matt Damon.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Anyway.

• 1:00:04Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  This is a film about one of the first male, like, supermodels in the 90s and how he, uh, lived this, like, double life, being in, uh, you know, Studio 54, you love going out and dancing and stuff, with like Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford, uh, and then he lived this double life because he was also in a doomsday cult that was siphoning all of his money. I love cults.

• 1:00:27Speaker 00

  I love cults too. Wait, and this is the movie that you're currently casting for?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Well, okay, we're still writing the script, but who knows? Maybe you could be the cult leader.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  Yep, because you know.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  I could see it.

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  I could definitely see it.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  Jake, how, wait, so wait, you said you like cults?

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Oh, I love cults.

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  What's your favorite cult?

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  I mean, it's kind of like basic mainstream to say Scientology, but they're just here. They're here like everywhere.

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  And it's so interesting.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  They're hiding in plain sight.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  The Freemasons, they're interesting.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  I don't think that's real.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  I think it is, isn't it?

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, in history.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  I just love, oh, the one from Wild Wild Country.

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  Oh, the best.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  The best, well, not the best, but like, you know what I mean?

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  Jake, how have you?

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Jake, how have you become so comfortable and confident online? Social media seems like such a scary place, but I want to start posting. I live in a very small town, so it's not like there are influencers here at Alameo. Any advice for a small town girlie wanting to be confident and interesting online? You just gotta press post.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Oh, you think?

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  That's what I do.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Don't think about it.

• 1:01:34Speaker 00

  Today, I literally posted that I'm tired and I just, that's all I did.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  And people love that about you because you're sharing a part of your life.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  And then I'll tell you, the only reason I posted it is because I want attention.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's kind of the reason why anyone posts anything, right? And people want that nowadays. People don't want you to be on like the cover of a magazine, right?

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  But I want to be on the cover of a magazine.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Wow. Okay, but can I just say? Can I just say?

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  You are so online.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Kind of only recently. Maybe I am online. I've been trying to curate this mysterious persona, but I just kind of showed my hand. I also think kind of trying to curate a sense of mystery in real life just means you're kind of like a douchebag.

• 1:02:16Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Because you're just like, that, that requires effort and maintenance.

• 1:02:20Speaker 00

  You Instagram dump?

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do, but to, to a point. Like, there's a lot I don't show. Like, what would you show on your average dump?

• 1:02:31Speaker 00

  Like, I talk about this all the time, but.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Oh, do you really?

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  My clothes.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Oh, are you a big fashionista?

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  I'm like.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  What's your favorite brand?

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  Dior.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Before Jonathan Anderson?

• 1:02:46Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  After.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  So what, did you like Luweve before then?

• 1:02:49Speaker 00

  Um, yeah.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Did you follow him?

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  But I love his, I love his, I love his personal brand. JWA.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  I prefer it.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  I die for JWA. My favorite taco I'll ever own is from JWA.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  I, I think, that's interesting. I used to be the same way when it comes to branding. But is that because, do you think it's trying to? Is it, is it the validation thing again?

• 1:03:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  It's like, oh, if I'm wearing this, like, I'm cool.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Because I, I, I never had like nice stuff like that.

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  Neither did I.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  When I was younger and it was, I went through a phase where I was like, you know, I had to sort of, you know, like the Prada loafers and stuff like that. And now I kind of like, I've kind of gone off of that because.

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  You're confident.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  I don't know. You kind of want to let the clothes, I mean, look, what I will say is that you can buy a Henley from, you know, the Gap that looks great, but then if you go somewhere like Acne, where it's like 10 times the cost, you still end up buying that.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  Nicholas, you were very tapped into pop culture in a way that I did not think you were.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Really? Well, I think because I, I worked with like Fendi for a few years. I just think there's something really like magical about it. I don't know. And just fun and expression and clothes give you, like, there's no point in buying like really nice, beautiful clothes. Like, we don't need them in any way.

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  But like, it makes you feel so good when you find like a, I mean, an amazing jacket or whatever.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's no better feeling than.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  What do you, what do you think about the, the Met?

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  Um, I love it.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Do you, do you like the sort of?

• 1:04:28Speaker 00

  But it makes me feel incredibly insecure.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Oh, why?

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  Because I haven't been. So like, I feel.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  I'd say that's coming, right?

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  You really think so?

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  It's all about what is in like the zeitgeist, right? And you're in the zeitgeist, so I'd say so. It's but it's it's also just who you know, who who is gonna dress you? You know, for example, like I I.

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  Have you been to the Met?

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went a couple of years ago. I've been I've been uh working the last couple of years, but um.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  Would you go with?

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Fendi. Well, I really kind of surreal uh sentence to say, but I Fendi dressed me because I used to have a contract with them. Uh but Tom Ford got my number through Julianne Moore and asked me, which is like really insane. And asked me to sit next to him on his table, so yeah.

• 1:05:24Speaker 00

  He went with Fendi and was like, bye.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  No, you didn't. Did you actually do that?

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  They they didn't have like a table.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  Oh, OK, they just dressed you.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they just dressed me.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  Got it, got it.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  But um, oh, my God, like what an interesting place.

• 1:05:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Meeting Anna Wintour.

• 1:05:39Speaker 00

  I I met her once.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  She's nice.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  So nice.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  I I really she'd also seen my the idea of you had just come out.

• 1:05:48Speaker 00

  And she had seen it.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  And she'd seen it and you know.

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  Well, it's uh she loves Anne Hathaway down.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, she does. You know, you know that she has these people kind of like in Devil Wears Prada who who kind of go, oh, so and so is.

• 1:05:59Speaker 00

  Oh, shit, really?

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was walking up these long stairs like by myself, kind of like terror. I could see.

• 1:06:06Speaker 00

  Does she greet everyone?

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  Well, so at the top, you know, uh it's it's her and it was Bad Bunny and and Chris Hemsworth and J Lo, who the the chairs, you know, of the year that I went. And the person, you know, her handler, whatever was like coming, because I was like, there's no fucking way she's gonna have any idea who I am. Uh but she like shooed her away and was like, I saw the idea of you a couple of days ago. I love it. Me and my girls saw it. And I was kind of like expecting a version of Meryl.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  Devil Wears Prada.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Was she nice to you as well?

• 1:06:39Speaker 00

  Lovely.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. These are very interesting people, you know, like, why would you not want to like be in their presence and like, you know, absorb their their knowledge and everything like that? But.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  He said, this is Jake, he's very funny, and she said, you look funny.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Which could mean.

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

  It didn't matter what it meant. I ran outside and told all my friends. I was like, I just ran and went to her. It was the sickest moment of my life.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Did you after party?

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  Not really, no.

• 1:07:07Speaker 00

  You don't strike me as a big party guy.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  Not for a long time. I don't drink anymore.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  You're sober?

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Since Covid.

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. Good for you.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's not like.

• 1:07:17Speaker 00

  Congratulations.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  It's not like that.

• 1:07:21Speaker 00

  I was just like, you were just like, I'm over it?

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like drinking a lot in Co and I was like, can be.

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, it could be bad. Yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  And I'm kind of bad.

• 1:07:28Speaker 00

  Drinking makes me feel like shit. My vice is, my vice is weed.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  Really bad.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Weed's kind of like done now, I feel like.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  I know, but like.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  It's not cool anymore.

• 1:07:38Speaker 00

  Okay, well, I get it. But like, I, it makes me feel things that, by the way, and I think in 10 years it'll come out, like, there's alcoholics, like, they're, like, stoner, like, the word stoner will be used.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  In the same breath.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  In the same breath as alcoholism. I really do think so.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  I think it's like people are like, oh.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  No, like, I like, it's very addictive. I'm very addicted.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, like you have to smoke it to sleep.

• 1:08:04Speaker 00

  No, no. I don't know why. It's just, it's like, it's an addiction. Like, I'm addicted. Like, I, I, I, like, like, everything about it. Makes everything better.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  I just hate.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  For 10 minutes and then my whole body starts to ache.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  Do you get anxious?

• 1:08:22Speaker 00

  What do you think?

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay. Yeah, me too.

• 1:08:26Speaker 00

  Do I read anxious?

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 1:08:30Speaker 00

  You're lying. You don't think I read anxious?

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  I think you read, um, I think you, okay, maybe a bit, but I think it's quite good because, and I think it lets you do what you do. Because, do you, do you not like awkward silences?

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  I hate it.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Okay, me too. And you feel like you have to fill it with conversation, which means like it's perfect for what you do, right?

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  Would you like come back on the show?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  I would be, I would be honored. I just, it's your delivery, but maybe this is why you're good at comedy. I don't believe you.

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  You think? Have I made you laugh?

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  You have, you have.

• 1:09:06Speaker 00

  Are you excited for your steroid shot?

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  I'm, oh my god, I am so excited.

• 1:09:10Speaker 00

  Text me how it is.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  I'll text you. I will, you know what I'll do? I'll put, I'll put it on my close friends, a thank you to you, which you will be a part of.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  Okay, but first I have to get your number in order to do that, and then we'll follow each other. Oh my, we're like properly like being friends now. But and we're not whittling what even though I really want to.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  We'll find a time.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  We'll find a time.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  We'll find a time.

• 1:09:30Speaker 00

  Nicholas, what did we learn today?

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  We learnt that you're very intelligent.

• 1:09:35Speaker 00

  A little.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  We learned that you are, you are online.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  We, yeah, we learned that I'm, I'm, I'm, I think I learned that I'm more online than I thought I was as well.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  Or you think it's just an act?

• 1:09:47Speaker 00

  I, you are so online, come on.

• 1:09:50Speaker 03

  I mean, you had some deep cuts.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  What were my deep cuts?

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  If I say to you right now, who's your friend? Where's that from?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know that.

• 1:10:02Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  What if I said to you, I was supposed to be in the video?

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Ah shit, no, see, I don't know this kind of.

• 1:10:09Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Go on, what was that?

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  You know, you've never seen, who's your friend?

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I say you're gonna beat me up.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  See, I see, I can't help it, because I know.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  Who?

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  It's Madison Beer, isn't it?

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  Yes, you're so, that is the biggest deep cut of all time. I see you're gonna beat me up on Twitter all the time, who's your friend?

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  Is that even a deep cut anymore, though?

• 1:10:30Speaker 00

  Nicholas, for you, you are a 31-year-old British man.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  So true. Oh my god, I have no right to know that.

• 1:10:39Speaker 00

  How do you know who's your friend?

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  It's so iconic, isn't it?

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  And who is she talking about in the who's your friend video?

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  It's, it's the, the guy, it's the fan who's been talking shit about her.

• 1:10:48Speaker 00

  On Twitter, yeah.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Fuck, okay, I am.

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  That's what we learned. You are so online. You see all.

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  Just like, you know, a god, which you play in your new movie, Masters of the Universe, which is out now.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  I ate that a little bit.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  That was, that was amazing.

• 1:11:07Speaker 00

  Okay, do you know about Debbie Ryan?

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  I spoke to the CEO of Disney. Is that Debbie? Yeah, okay. Okay, guys, but like, look, you know, you know that if you, if you spend like an hour, like just watching on TikTok, like the, like the great, like you can consume all that. I promise you, I'm not.

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  What about, I got a little bit of blue going on. Who's that?

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Oh crap. Okay. I feel like I do know that.

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  For the Teen Vogue party. I got a little blue going on.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  It's not Katy Perry, is it?

• 1:11:41Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  Who's that?

• 1:11:42Speaker 00

  Selena Gomez.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Oh crap.

• 1:11:44Speaker 00

  And you know who's your friend?

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  No, but that's so, because now I think I've seen a lot of people like, like do it over and over again, like, like they've, they've.

• 1:11:53Speaker 00

  Who's your friend?

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 00

  Actually, my favorite video of all time.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  It's very good. It's very, very good.

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  Well, Nicholas?

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  Thank you, Jake.

• 1:12:04Speaker 00

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  You're so welcome. You're so welcome.

• 1:12:08Speaker 00

  Thanks for being on the show.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Because I've basically interviewed him for this. Do, do people usually ask you this much question? Okay, okay. This is how it should be. Conversation, right?

• 1:12:16Speaker 00

  That's what I thought. And look, you're happy and you had a good time and you're, how about you're gonna have a steroid shot?

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Sweating so much.

• 1:12:21Speaker 00

  I know. Okay, wait, wait. Before you leave.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Goodbye pussies.