Session 110: Luke Combs

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• 0:38Speaker 01

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapists. I know I look a little tired, but that's because I just got home from finishing my Broadway... Oh. Ba-dum.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  What?

• 0:50Speaker 02

  What?

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Oh, so you don't watch the show?

• 0:53Speaker 02

  No, what? Of course I don't. Why do you say ba-dum?

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Ugh, I can't. Are you watching Paradise?

• 0:59Speaker 02

  I haven't started yet, but I watched the first season.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Oh, the second season shits on the first season.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Wait, seriously? And Shailene's in it? Huh?

• 1:06Speaker 01

  He's undeniable.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  I love Shailene.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Are you watching Paradise? Season two is fucking spectacular.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Like, actually spectacular.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Wait, what happened at the end of season one again? They escaped on the plane. They went...

• 1:18Speaker 01

  He, and he left his kids there.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Oh, damn.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  To search for his wife, because remember...

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Oh, because the wife is alive.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Because remember, she found the thing that said like...

• 1:25Speaker 02

  I'm out here, I'm out here.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Oh my god, no.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Wait, I have full-body chills. Are you watching?

• 1:29Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Episode four.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Wait, I'm gonna watch tonight.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  Episode four. A really acoustic version of "Can't help falling in love..."

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Oh, so he found the wife?

• 1:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  I mean, I guess I'll just watch it.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  It's, um, Julia, it's unbelievable. It's like, actually unbelievable.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  I have so much to watch right now.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Well, put it at the top of your list.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Paradise?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  I am super behind on Love Story.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  Because I was away, and then Peyton was like, "We can't watch it without each other."

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  And then...

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Well, I got hooked on Paradise, is what happened with me.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  And then Bridgerton.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Didn't it end?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  No, there's a new season. It's half. They do it in parts.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, apparently people were not happy with the second half.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Oh, really? I think it's the best show ever made.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Why?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  It's so good and every season gets better than the next.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Look, I'm not doubting, I am, I just don't like period, I don't like period pieces. That's my one thing with it. If it was anything but a period piece, I would watch it.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  You don't like period pieces?

• 2:19Speaker 01

  They don't have phones, like.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  You've, you've watched a period piece, though.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have a movie to devote myself to a period piece television show. Like, I don't know if I can do that. Like, I struggled with The Americans. Like, I was watching, it's a show about, um, two Russian spies living as like sleeper cell agents in the US, like with a family, like.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Oh, that sounds cool.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Right?

• 2:43Speaker 02

  But you don't like the period piece?

• 2:45Speaker 01

  No, I did. I just, the first season didn't get me.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  But Bridgerton's not really like a period piece, because it's like totally like fiction. Like, it's not accurate of the period.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're wearing shit that's accurate of the period.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  They just, yeah, do they talk like that?

• 3:01Speaker 02

  They talk like that.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Like, they talk like old.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Like, they don't talk like us.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think, like.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna do it.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  They say like betrothed.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Hate that.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  You know?

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Hate that.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  I get it, honestly, it's like, it's kind of uncomfortable.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  I just don't know what it means, so it's like, then I'm like, what are you talking about?

• 3:27Speaker 02

  But it's like, I don't know, everyone in it is hot, too.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  No, I know that, and the music is apparently amazing.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  But it's all like, it's like, thank you next, like instrumental version.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Are you like ever caught off guard by that?

• 3:39Speaker 02

  And then sometimes I like don't recognize the music, but I'm like, I know what this is, but it's like a string quartet on a harp version of like, We Can't Be Friends, or like Yukon. Like, it's like the most popular song.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  It's like the most popular songs of now, but on like a harp.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Does it ever throw you? Or like?

• 4:03Speaker 02

  The whole show is weird, honestly.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  What's the premise of the show? It's like the biggest show in the world. I have no idea what the premise is.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Okay, so basically, the first season is the best season, okay? First season, it's like, there's this, it's kind of like Gossip Girl, but like, based in like, the old.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Are they doing drugs?

• 4:21Speaker 02

  They're do- there's like some partying happening.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  But what's the, what does the partying look like? Like, what's the scandal?

• 4:26Speaker 02

  It's like brothels and like...

• 4:28Speaker 01

  But what's the scandal?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Okay, so the scandal is that there's this woman writing Lady Whistledown, and it's kind of like Gossip Girl. And she's like, "Yes." And so she's like-

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Wait, stop. This sounds interesting.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Yes, okay, so basically, like, the whole premise of the show is like, these girls are like, making their debut, and it's like their first season on like, The Marriage Mart. So they're all like, looking to get married, and then like, the queen like, names a diamond of the season, and like, the diamond of the season's obviously like, Daphne Bridgerton. And she falls in love with the duke. Well, do you want me to just tell you?

• 5:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  But basically, like, there's this Lady Whistledown, like, writing, because she's like, snooping around.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  And are they like, "Who the fuck is Lady Whistledown?"

• 5:05Speaker 02

  And the queen is like, "Who the fuck is Lady Whistledown?"

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Do you watch?

• 5:09Speaker 02

  I watched the first season.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  And did you like it?

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  So is it a one and done for me? Like, maybe I won't want to do two? Like, it's a one and done?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  You don't need to keep watching the sea- like, there are like, all, all the seasons are different plots.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Wow, okay, how fun.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Well, what else is up?

• 5:22Speaker 01

  I am so excited that I, I feel like we're approaching summertime.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, it's really warm in New York.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  It's warm here.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  I'm loving it, in shorts.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Spring has sprung.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Holy fuck, we have nothing to talk about.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, I'm taking it in, I'm taking it in, because like, should we like-

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Why are we talking about the weather?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Oh my god, do we talk about that many things that we just have nothing to say anymore? We're talking about the weather.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  No, I hope, in the summer, that like, we have a lot of really fun New York nights out.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  That I can see happening. But the traveling of it all?

• 6:05Speaker 01

  I need to work on my anxiety.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  I don't really even know why you bother.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  With what?

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Traveling.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  I'm, I know, well, New York is the only place I like to go to.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  But that's not traveling, like, that's like, another version of home.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm lucky to say that.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Very lucky. But I'm just saying, like, I feel like, the last time we went on a trip together, like, you didn't have like, one minute of fun.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  I'm just like, how do, I can't not be, that's who I am.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  That is who I am.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  I get it, I get it. I get it.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I have something.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  You have something to talk about?

• 6:41Speaker 01

  I just like, don't look forward to anything that doesn't have to do with me.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  That's, and you know what? Like, that's why everyone loves you, okay? Don't change. Yeah, I mean like, is it frustrating? Yes. Is it funny? Also, yes.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  You know what? Cassidy's birthday weekend will be so fun.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Okay, so...

• 7:02Speaker 01

  That'll be fun. Peyton's birthday, whatever we do for Peyton's birthday will be so fun.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  I think we should go away.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 7:08Speaker 02

  I think we should go away. Yeah. Can I bring one thing up?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Can we talk about how you quoted peace?

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Julia, that was what I was gonna say.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  No way, that's really sweet. Oh, I love you.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  I quoted it in a situation that was like, so...

• 7:26Speaker 02

  It was very dramatic of you.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  It was very dramatic. Like, it was very dramatic.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  He said that and I was like, hey, I don't know if you were looking to me for validation, but like, I can't give it to you.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  You know, he like, fully like, studied.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  No, I know. I said, what did you say? There's robbers to the east, clowns to the west. I'd give you my son, that's exactly what you said, didn't you?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  I didn't include the robbers to the east.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  The rain is always gonna come when you're standing with me, is what he said. And it's like, I want you to take a second and I want you to think about it because I couldn't help you there.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  I didn't tell anyone. I texted my group chat a few days later and I said, it's time I admit something. I quoted peace in like, a serious way in that situation. And Julia, no one responded, actually. No one responded.

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  I think I just laughed at the message.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  I don't, nope, I don't remember, because I would have been like, isn't that so funny? I know you might have laughed, I don't know.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  That was crazy of you. That was crazy of you.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Oh my goodness gracious lord.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  I need to stop smoking weed again.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Really? I feel like you've been doing good with it.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  It makes me hilarious.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Like it-

• 8:35Speaker 02

  But it's making you anxious again, or like-

• 8:37Speaker 01

  It's just like-

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Tired, or-

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Ugh, I don't know.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  I wish that it didn't make me paranoid.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  I can't tell if I'm anxious or bored, ever.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  You got that.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  I can't fucking tell.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  I get that.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  That's why Broadway was so good for me.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  You were very busy.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  I was so busy every single day.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  So maybe the answer is you were bored. I get anxious when I'm bored.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Oh, do you want to try Cottages?

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Yes!

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Any of the new ones? No.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Have you had the rainbows?

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is the original ones that-

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Have you had the, have you had the sours?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  You've never had the sours?

• 9:04Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Do you like sour?

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Okay. Cheers.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Mmm. Mmm, watermelon?

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Now try a blue.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  Mmm, I'm better.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  You know what's something that's really good about them? The aftertaste fucks.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  I think that they're be- like, they're better as you chew.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  You bite in some of your lip-

• 9:25Speaker 01

  And it's not what you want.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  And I go, "Hmm?" Better?

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Better, better, but, and then you want more. I posted a video of Cass trying them, and so people were wondering where to get them. You can get them on Amazon.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Oh, they're all different shapes, like...

• 9:42Speaker 02

  A sun.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, try that one, that's probably a different flavor.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Mmm.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Okay, so-

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Wild and free foam.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh my god, and Luke Combs tries them in this episode too. People were wondering where to get them. You can get them at Five Below.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Aha!

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one's fire. And you can get them on Amazon, if you're wondering where to get them. But we're working on getting them to more places.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  Mmm! I know.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  It's like crazy.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  Wait, that is an explosion of flavors.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  I know, I know!

• 10:18Speaker 02

  I'm like freaking out.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  I know, I know. Anywho, you guys can get them on Amazon, Five Below. There's also a store locator on the website, and...

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  I would love to take this time-

• 10:28Speaker 02

  To?

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Invite you.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Me?

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yes, you. Talk about something to look forward to.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Tell me right now.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Are you so excited?

• 10:35Speaker 02

  I'm so excited.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  We are going to the Sweet and Snacks Expo in Las Vegas.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Oh my god, when?

• 10:41Speaker 01

  You, me, Brett, Peyton, Kennedy, Cassidy, Alice. Like, it's gonna be... We're gonna have fun.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  And Louise will come, Zach, Zach said he'll come. Manny!

• 10:52Speaker 02

  Manny.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Manny, Manny, Manny.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Zach?

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Yes, Zach.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  And we'll, and we'll, we'll do the candy, we'll do the candy thing, we'll have like the best time and then we'll go clubbing at night.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Wait, what's this? Why did you?

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Like, cause like, we'll just like probably be at the booth like partying, like tearing it up. Like, there's a booth.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Go Katches, go Katches.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, should we like make shirts?

• 11:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Oh my god, this is good.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  I know, all of us should be a different theme.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  I'm like really excited about this.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Same.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Okay, well on that note.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Well, Julia, thank you for being here.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you, I missed you.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  I missed, I missed this, and I missed you too.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  I missed you too, did you?

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Be honest.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  I did.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Skill of one to 10?

• 11:30Speaker 01

  A 10, I missed you, okay?

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Tonight's episode is with Luke Combs, whose album The Way I Am is out March 20th.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Yay, Luke!

• 11:37Speaker 01

  He's amazing, I'm obsessed with him.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  As am I.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  He really guided me through some times. Um, I love you pussies, enjoy the episode.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapuss. Today on Therapuss, we have one of my favorite artists ever, Luke Combs.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  What's going on?

• 11:59Speaker 01

  So, it is, I should probably tell you, I have had, do you know what a crash out is?

• 12:03Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Oh, you do?

• 12:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  What is it to you?

• 12:08Speaker 04

  I mean, to me, you're just kinda losing your mind over something that's, maybe you should, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe, maybe it is, you know, validated, but it doesn't always have to be.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Well, my, mine was like half validated, half not, but I had what many are calling my Luke Combs crash out because I've been listening to only Luke Combs all week for my crash out.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  I like it.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's very full circle for the past five days that you're not here.

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Yes, I'm glad to be here, man.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I'm happy, you, you don't, you do not live here full time?

• 12:39Speaker 04

  I do not, no. Um, not even part time.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  I'm a full, I'm a full time Nashville guy. Um, but I enjoy coming out, I enjoy coming out for a week, you know, it's like, it's enough for me, like a week's like I get like my fill.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  You're fixing?

• 12:53Speaker 04

  And then I'm like, you know, I grab some, I grab some nice, you know, overnight oats or something, you know, it's kinda like LA vibe meal, and then I'm like.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  They don't have overnight oats in Nashville?

• 13:05Speaker 04

  They do. I'm just not anywhere near where I live, probably.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  I would imagine, yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  But you're from North Carolina?

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah, I grew up in Asheville. I was born in Charlotte and then

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I love Charlotte.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  Lived there till I was eight and then my parents moved to Asheville. So I basically grew up there.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  And then when did you start, like, you were in your choir?

• 13:26Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  But when did you start, like, kind of full-time singing?

• 13:29Speaker 04

  Um, I mean, for a job, like, twenty-two is when I started. So that would be thirteen years ago now, which is really crazy to think about. So I'm thirty-five, soon to be thirty-six, which is just gross. I feel like past thirty-five, it's like

• 13:45Speaker 01

  Really?

• 13:46Speaker 04

  The downhill slide really begins, I feel like, at thirty-five, you know, genetically speaking.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  Oh, but I heard that your thirties are the new twenties.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  Dude, thirties are awesome. I would highly recommend being in your thirties, you know, if you have, if you have the ability to do that, you know, be in your thirties, I would suggest it. I love it. Honestly, I really do. I feel like you're just kind of like, you've got yourself figured out, like, fully in your thirties. At least I feel that way, you know, it's like you kind of like, I don't know, I mean, also, like, I know, obviously, my job is, like, set in stone. I've got some kids, I'm married, so, like, everything's kind of, like, laid out. So it kind of just, to me, it does feel like, it's like twenties with money is what thirties is.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  At least that's the way it feels to me.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  And what, how old are your kids?

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Uh, my oldest is three and a half and my youngest is two and a half.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  So they, like, have no idea, like, what you do?

• 14:42Speaker 04

  They have not, like, I feel like my oldest son, like, just found out, like, the day before this trip. Like, they've seen me, like, on TV, like, if I'm in an award show or something, like, mom will keep him up late if she's not there, or my parents will keep him up and, like, let him watch me sing on TV. Like, I opened the CMA Awards this year, and so that started at seven o'clock.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  So, like, we, like, let him stay up and watch me sing and then put him to bed. And they recognize me on TV. They just don't really understand.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Like they they don't have any concept of like that that's not normal.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Totally, totally.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, dad's just on everybody's dad's on TV.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  Or like everybody's dad sings on TV or whatever. So I was riding around with my son on our property like he sits, you know, sit on my lap and drive the truck or whatever, do his, do his, you know, toddler thing. And uh, there was a, my phone was on and had music playing on my phone and I had, I think I had Jason Isbell Southeastern album was like playing and just kind of cruising around and. I said, you see that guy on my phone? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, well, he's, he does what that does. Like he, like people, like he sings and people wanna like hear him sing. That's what his job is and that's what my job is. And he was just kinda like, it was like he started to put it together a little bit.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  When I was explaining it to him.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  It'll, he'll get there.

• 16:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  I tried to like, I, I remember being really worried about that when I started, you know, when we had our first. And even into our second, it was like, well, how do I, not control the narrative in any negative way, but how do I get to be the person that tells them?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Cause I asked a few of my artist friends who have kids older than me. And I was like, hey, man, this obviously we, we live a very different lifestyle than, than most people. And I said, I want my, I want my kids to have as normal of a life as possible, you know, and, and protect them from the world and all these, you know, I want them to see like everything that we see straight away. You know what I mean? I feel like that would be almost damaging in some way to like a young child to like.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Of course, yeah.

• 16:50Speaker 04

  We doing all this like buses and photographs and all this crazy stuff. So we don't like share our kids on the internet or anything. And so they were like, well, you, I was like, I just kinda want them to not know as long as they can not know.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  And they were like, well, you have to tell them or someone else is going to.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Well, yes.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  Like if you, like if they go to school, like another kid is gonna tell them or another kid's parents or their teacher, like. That's how they're gonna find out and you want them to like hear it from you first.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  And explain it in a way.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  So they can say like, oh, I know.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  Right. And like be kinda just prepared in some way for that conversation and understand like, oh, when people come up to dad at the grocery store.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Why are people doing that and help them understand that.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Instead of thinking that something scary is happening.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Right. Instead of being like, why do all these people wanna come say, you know, why do why do all these people come say hi to my dad or whatever? So it's an interesting, it's an interesting bridge to cross, you know? Um, something I never again thought I would be dealing with, but here we are. You know, there's been a lot of those things over the years.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Do you, do your kids have a favorite song of yours?

• 17:56Speaker 04

  That, so back in the saddle, my youngest son was obsessed with that song, but I feel like it was just because it was the first one he ever really like.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  Listened to.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Heard and was like receptive to music. So it's not like, I mean, he's two and a half. So when that song came, like when we singled that song, it was really recently. So he was just old enough to understand. So it would like, it'd come on the radio or like be in the background of something on TV. And then he would start like asking for that song. He knew it was me singing. Like they can recognize my voice, which I think is crazy. Like I've got videos of them like out, like they're out at the store and then like my song will come on the speakers. And they're like doing this. They're like looking around like.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  Where's that? Like they think I'm like there and stuff. It's kinda sad a little bit.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  No, it's like when you would watch TV as a kid and you'd be like that, this is real time.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And they would be like, they're looking around for me and they're like, that's dad, you know? And they're like, they recognize my voice, which is pretty cool. It's pretty cool to see.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Well, that's amazing.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's great.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  I wanted to ask you about, uh, where the wild things are.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Cause I was listening to it the other day and then I was like, I, I didn't know if it was like autobiographical or what, but I read that the song had been floating around Nashville for a few years. And then it got to you and you added a bridge to it.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. So my, I actually didn't write on it at all. Uh, so one of my good friends, Randy Montana, fantastic writer. We wrote. Beer Never Broke My Heart together. We wrote Sleep in a Hotel Room together. Like we've written a bunch of, of great songs together. That song had been kinda famous in town. Like the, there's a demo of Randy singing that song. And really great songs have a tendency to kinda like get passed around and like people are texting them to each other and like, man, you gotta listen to this song so and so wrote, you know? It's honestly kind of a miracle that it had never been cut by anybody.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  I'm not sure how. It's not the easiest song to sing, like from a like breath support standpoint.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  You have to have a lot of breath to be able to like sing that song live. And I think that was probably some, maybe some people's hesitance with that song is like, well, if I put the song out and it's a big hit and I have to sing it every night, well, can I even sing it every night?

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:06Speaker 04

  It took me, you know, we, you know, a couple of days at rehearsal to like, of singing it, you know, we record it, puts on the record and then me and my band learn it before the record's even out, you know? Cause we're like, by the time we go to a show, like if the record's been out a day, people are like, we want to hear this stuff now. So there's not like, we try to get ahead of that. And so we're in rehearsal and I'm like, God, dude, like, I'm like, how am I going to sing this, you know? And so it just takes time and like repetition to go, okay, well, I'll breathe in this little micro window I have. I have to get a breath in this thing or I'm not, or I'm going to run out of breath in three lines.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:42Speaker 04

  If I just normally in a spot where I would normally just sing through, it might be a weird spot to try to take a breath. I have to like force myself to breathe at this moment or I'm not going to have breath by the end. Um, but that song, it had been, it ended up in my phone, probably in two thousand and sixteen, maybe.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  It's been around for quite a while. And it had already been around sometime at that point, I believe. It wasn't like, hey, I wrote this yesterday. Check it out.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  I didn't even get it from Randy. Randy didn't send it to me. It was just like, another writer was like, have you heard this Randy song? And I loved it. And at the time I had never cut anything that I didn't write. And I was at the end of kind of my, I guess would have been like my fourth record of getting old. And which was the same one Fast Car was on and we ended. The session that day and we had some time left and Fast Car was in the same boat as this. Like we had like an extra hour. And I was like, what if we just cut it? It wasn't like on the plan, like it wasn't on the sheet of like stuff that we're gonna cut. And I was like, man, I've always loved this Randy song, you know, and I, I played it for Jonathan, who's like best buddies with Randy, who produces my records with me.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  And um, he was like, we ought to do it, man. That song's awesome, you know, so we do it. And I, and again, didn't think it would be like, I mean, I, I knew it was a fantastic song, but it's like, it's a real story song. Like you kind of have to be paying.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  It's kind of like you're, it's kind of like you're all too well.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, like you, yeah, you've got to like be paying attention to what's going on.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  And um, yeah, people just gravitated towards it. And I think that's, you know, that's ultimately what happens with all songs. I mean, I would say if I was trying to pick what I think would be a hit off any of my records, like 90% of the time I'd be wrong.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  What do you think is gonna be the hit off your next record?

• 22:27Speaker 04

  I mean, Sleepless is definitely a hit.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  And just the amount of like impressions it has and, you know, people making videos with, like you can just kind of tell now.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  You couldn't tell as much even 10 years ago.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  It was like the record has to be out and people have to just, it gets on the radio and then it blows up. And then it's like, that's how you find out. Now you can tease a song. I could leave the room and tease a song and basically tell you if it's gonna be a hit or not. Because if it just, if it starts to go insane on the internet, I mean, that's, basically that's the new version of having a hit.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Well, you know the internet well. You were on Vine.

• 23:04Speaker 04

  I was, I was, yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  And you, would you post like six second videos if you just like?

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Singing basically, like I would, but you know how the, you know, the tactic now, it's like you make a TikTok, you put the absolute best engagement part of the TikTok right at the front.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  And then it cuts away and then the video starts over.

• 23:24Speaker 04

  You're familiar with this. You may have seen it.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  No, I, I, is it like when you see somebody like doing a cooking video and they're like, and then they make the whole thing?

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Or it would be like, like, let's say we're doing this little interview and you're, and you're clipping it up. And I said something like, super canceled, or whatever it is.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Oh, no, we cut that. Don't worry.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  In, in a completely toxic world, you would put whatever I said that was canceled as the very first thing in the video.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  And then it would start, then the video would start and people go, when's he gonna say the thing? I know he's gonna say it because I've already seen it.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like watering down people's attention spans like even more. Like you're going, I don't even wanna watch the 30 second clip to see the good part. Show me the good part and then maybe I'll watch the rest.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Do you ever do like when you watch TikTok videos 2X speed?

• 24:15Speaker 04

  I've never, I've heard of people doing that.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  It will change your life.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  So then you could just double, like double the content.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  It's just like, I don't wanna hear it. Just get to the good part and you like,

• 24:26Speaker 04

  See, this is, this is why people are doing it.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  And you can, and you press down and 2X the whole thing.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  Well, let's bring Vine back, dude. We'll just do just the good part.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Do you know that they are?

• 24:34Speaker 04

  That's what I've heard.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  I know, that's word on the street, but I haven't, I'll believe it when I see it.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Does it still own, I know it was bought by Instagram?

• 24:43Speaker 01

  I don't fucking know.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  Like when it went away?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  One of the other big social media companies.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  No, Twitter. It was Twitter. It was bought by Twitter. It was bought by who? Jack Dorsey?

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Hmm, I wonder if he like, when he sold, when he sold Twitter, if he kept the rights to that.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  To Vine?

• 24:57Speaker 04

  Would be an interesting.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Do you have a favorite Vine of all time?

• 25:01Speaker 04

  I mean, there's a lot. I mean, look at all those chickens was a bit, that was a bit.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  You would, you would, you would like that one.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  Like that one was like, I mean, I mean, like, I mean, like, I always forget that like the Paul brothers were like Vine guys.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  So many people, Shawn Mendes.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Tons.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Luke Combs.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  True, I mean, truly, it's crazy. Like I never would have thought that that would be the thing, like, that would be one of the biggest reasons for my success was like the ability to lay my own groundwork before my career even started. Like I was starting my career before it started without even knowing.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  You just, but you went into it with like, no expectations. You were like, were you, okay, because I remember you were a bouncer at a, a club. Were you a bouncer at the time that you were posting these videos?

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, prob, yes.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Okay, and so you were just doing it to fuck around, kind of?

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Bouncer and I worked at Izod. Fold and close at an Isad store.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Is that a southern thing?

• 25:52Speaker 04

  It's like, um, you rocking Isad right now, bird? Oh, I was like, it's like, yeah, it's very like, um,

• 26:00Speaker 04

  like yachting, polo, that kind of vibe, like,

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Oh, so you work-

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Country club, kind of.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  It was a retail store, like, in an outlet.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Okay, what was your retail voice? If I came in and I was like, "Hi, I'm at Isad, like, I have a friend that works retail and she puts on an insane retail voice."

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, you would just be like, "Hey, sir, how are you doing today?" You know what I mean? Like, you kind of up the, you kind of up the tone a little bit, you know?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Do you ever deal with, like, a really difficult customer?

• 26:26Speaker 04

  See, here was my thing. It's like, I, like, it's pet peeve for me, is like, let's say I go into a store, it's a great store, I know what I want, and I know not everyone's like me, I can understand that. But let's say I go into a store, and you're at the end, it's like, "You need any socks? We're running a deal on socks, they got stuff, like, they're selling me at stuff on the register." I'm like, "It's too late, it's the end." Like, I don't, if I needed socks, they'd be up here. I would already have the socks if I needed-

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Is that what, I don't think I've ever been to a store that's tried to, like, bargain socks with me at the front.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  You have not been to Isad, then.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  Because let me tell you what, when I was working there, that, that's the thing, is it was like, it was part of your job to, like, push the-

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Did you get commission?

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Sale, no.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  That's horrible.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Of course not.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  That's evil.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  So then you're doing the, like, super uncomfortable thing that I hate people doing to me, to force to do it to other people.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:17Speaker 04

  And then you're like, "Sure, you don't want a nice Henley shirt, dude?" And people are like, "It's, it's the summer, why would I want a Henley shirt?"

• 27:25Speaker 01

  What's a Henley shirt?

• 27:26Speaker 04

  We gotta get you, we gotta up your game, dude.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Well, what is that?

• 27:29Speaker 04

  A Henley shirt? It's like a, kind of like a long sleeve, like a thermal long sleeve.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  Pop it up, we, we need some-

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Okay, can somebody get me a photo of a Henley shirt?

• 27:37Speaker 04

  A Henley shirt. It's like a wa, almost like a waffle knit, kind of like-

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Ooh, I love a waffle knit.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  That would be a Henley.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Oh, I, I kind of want to go to Isad with you.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  It might be an-

• 27:46Speaker 01

  I've never seen that before.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's- Exactly.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  I've never seen that before in my life.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  Waffle knit, yeah. That's probably, waffle knit's probably the new word.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Say, Henley's probably like, if you called a dresser a Chesterfield, or something, would be like- You know what I mean, like?

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Now, who do you? A Chesterfield?

• 28:06Speaker 04

  A Chesterfield. Pop a Google on it. It's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's also, I feel like I'm aging myself. I got that particular one from, it was a joke from Family Guy.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  I love Family Guy.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  And it was Brian, the dog, was dating a woman who everyone felt like was too old for him. And he was like, she's not too old.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  I could never get past the Brian thing. Him like-

• 28:26Speaker 04

  It's weird. Yeah. That was kinda weird.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  I could not get, like, imagining him, like, fucking a human, like-

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, like the bestiality of it was kinda odd.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  It bugs me out till no end.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  But the, the way that they communicated in the show-

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it still bugs me out.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  That he, that this woman was too old from him, for him, is like, they're in the bedroom together. And he's like, hey, she's like, get me this thing out of the Chesterfield. And he's like, what? And she's like, well, you know, the, and she says a different thing. And it's just a super old words for a dresser.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  And then he's like, maybe she is too old for me. Cause like, she's saying stuff that's not even a thing anymore.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Henley is my version of that. Now I just say waffle mint.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  Do you think I look like Stewie from Family Guy?

• 29:08Speaker 04

  No, I do not.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Okay, cause I've seen some people say-

• 29:10Speaker 04

  People say that?

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Sometimes, yeah.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  I don't see it. Your head does not look like a football.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  I get Stewie, I get Rumpelstiltskin.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  I don't see it. I don't see it. I think you look like you. You know what I mean? You look like you, man. You know what I mean? There's nothing wrong with that.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Well, thank you.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Hell yeah. You, you, your head is not a football, first off.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  It's quite large.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  No. What, what's, if you're going fitted hat, what size are you wearing? Do you know?

• 29:33Speaker 01

  So, no. But I, I have like the-

• 29:35Speaker 04

  If you're an eight ball, like you're getting, you're getting there. Like an eight, like an eight is like the highest hat they make of like a, like if you were a, like a, like a hat, like a baseball hat, like I know this is a baseball hat, but like a flat bill-

• 29:48Speaker 01

  No, that's a, that's a trucker hat.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  It's a trucker hat. But like a flat bill baseball hat that's fitted, there's sizes. And when you buy them, it's like, seven and a quarter, seven and a half, seven and five eights. Eight is the biggest one that they make.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  I don't think, you're not an eight, dude. You're not an eight ball.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  What are you wearing right now?

• 30:05Speaker 04

  Uh, this, my, my fitted size is seven and five eights.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  I kinda wanna go shopping with you.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Come on, let's go to Lids, dude. We'll see, we'll see what hat size you are. We gotta get you up dude.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  What is Lids?

• 30:17Speaker 04

  I forgot. You are kidding? I like this. This is nice. I feel like I'm telling you all these old man things that I'd like you need to know in my opinion. And which is, Lids may not even exist anymore.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Like, was it a part of your youth to go to the mall?

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Well, once. I went once.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  And I went to Hot Topic.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Okay, Hot Topic, very mall. That's a very mall store. Spencer's Gifts, very mall store.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Imagine Hot Topic, but it was more like, how would you, it's like, everything had like the Nightmare Before Christmas on it. But it was like a dildo.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:54Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? It was like the weirdest place ever.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  They have Auntie Annie's at all the malls?

• 30:58Speaker 04

  Yes, that's very, Orange Julius, very mall.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Julius?

• 31:02Speaker 04

  Orange Julius. It's like a smoothie, like a smoothie place that's like connected to Annie Anne's. Like Annie Anne slash Orange Julius, a hundred percent.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like Baskin Robbins slash?

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Whatever's with Baskin Robbins.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Always, always something.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  Long John Silver's Taco Bell. You know what I mean? Like Taco Bell KFC, you know, it's a kind of like a combo deal.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Okay, what's your favorite chain in the South?

• 31:26Speaker 04

  Bojangles is gonna be up there. You probably don't know what that is. If you don't know what Lids is, you probably don't know Bojangles.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Do you know what a Bojangles is? Yeah, it's Miss Alabama over there.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  She loves Bojangles, I can tell. Bojangles, fantastic. They got breakfast all day. It's like biscuits, biscuits and gravy, that kind of, that kind of deal. Cookout?

• 31:46Speaker 01

  So I've heard.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Cookout.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  So I've heard.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  Unbelievable.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've heard it's amazing.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  You can get a corn dog as a side, like, how are you beating that? You know? A quesadilla is a side at Cookout. Like you can get a tray with a hamburger and you get two sides, so you can get a quesadilla and a corn dog.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like a good deal?

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, that would be like seven bucks for all that.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  And you can add a milkshake for like a dollar fifty. It's insane.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  What's your favorite type of milkshake?

• 32:14Speaker 04

  Gosh, man. Um, I don't know, like, I, I feel like I'm going like Blizzard town in my head, like DQ Blizzard kind of vibe. Um, milkshake, I would go probably like, like a chocolate malt almost, I feel like would even be like, I know that's not technically not a milkshake, but.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  I like a.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  Same cloth for sure.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  I like a black and white.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  That's nice. I like that. I, I, if I'm going, if I'm going Blizzard, I'm going like choc- like mint chocolate.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Woo, I see that for you.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  I'm a mint chocolate guy. I love a coffee ice cream.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Me too. You know, that's my favorite thing.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, coffee ice cream is like number one.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  It's number one for me.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  So what I do, my favorite thing in the entire world, my favorite smoothie in the entire world, a coffee smoothie. Cause it's like ice cream.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  I can't say I've ever had one of those.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Okay, so I need to take you.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Next time you're in New York.

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Shop it like I'll take you to all the old mall stores that may not exist anymore.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  There's Lids, Spencer's Gifts, GameStop, like all of it.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Were you a Pokemon kid?

• 33:13Speaker 04

  A little bit.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  I was a big Pokemon kid.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  As you can probably assume.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  But what's wrong with being Pokemon?

• 33:18Speaker 01

  No, I know nothing's been wrong with.

• 33:19Speaker 04

  I mean, it's a dude Pokemon, you got the old collection, dude, you might be a millionaire like.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Well, so my friend's brother is a collector, but I was like, I liked the Game Boy Advance.

• 33:28Speaker 04

  Ah, man, I loved Game Boy. Gosh.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  What games did you play on it?

• 33:32Speaker 04

  Game Boy, man. I played Paperboy was like, that was top. I got that for Christmas one year and like my parents had to like rip it out of my hands, dude. I was obsessed with Paperboy.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  I used to sleep with my Game Boy underneath my pillow so I could stay up all night.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  And like your parents would be like, do all your stuffs put away?

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  And then you're like.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  You know, it's something that we have in common, actually.

• 33:53Speaker 04

  What's that?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Watches.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  I noticed.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  I know you did.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  That's nice. What are, what, what's your top?

• 33:59Speaker 01

  My top, my, my top is my Nautilus.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  What's the dream watch?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  An Aquanaut.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  That we don't have. Aquanaut. It's a guy, I don't have an Aquanaut.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  I wanted Aquanaut because I want to wear it during the summer when it's hot because the rubber band.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  Rubber strap?

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's the dream.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  The cut, I didn't realize the cut the strap thing. I didn't know that. So when you buy the Aquanaut, this, it comes with a full strap. Like it, the rubber strap.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  There's no, there's no buckle, like.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Oh, they cut it.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  It's not like a D buckle. You have to go in and they size it and then they cut the strap. So then that watch is like. If someone else, if you were to resell that watch.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  It's only for you.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  And it was for someone that has a bigger wrist than you, they'd have to buy a new strap.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Tell me, what is your top favorite watch?

• 34:45Speaker 04

  I mean, that's gonna, that's gonna be tough.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Um, I mean, there's a lot. I don't know. I, I love it all, to be honest. Like, I don't have any particular one that I'm like. I really love a Longa, which is like a German brand. It's got more of a like, kind of, um, like a almost independent German brand. Um, that kind of, it went away, like ceased business for a while, and then it came back in the, in the late nineties. They kind of like reinvigorated the brand. I love those. I just think they're like, the craftsmanship of those is like wild, you know? Like, if you look at it through the loop or whatever in the back, like, it's like, everything's like engraved.

• 35:28Speaker 04

  It's like stuff you almost couldn't even see with the naked eye. Like, you're looking at it, and then you put the loop in, and you're like, I didn't see that stuff.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  I didn't know that was in there.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  So you know what I'm realizing as you're saying these things to me? I actually am not that big of a watch guy. I think, I-

• 35:42Speaker 04

  There's levels, there's levels.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  I think I just like the status it gives me. Just full transparency.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  But you, here's the thing, though, is you will, like, ultimately delve into that.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Because like, the further you get into it, it's just like a, it's like a deep hole that you can just never get out of.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Totally. Yeah, it's, I, I mean, I definitely have the bug. I have the bug.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  But, um, you know, I definitely not into the, I've just gotten to weight, so I can feel, I like, I like a heavy.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Not a lighter, you know?

• 36:13Speaker 04

  Depends on the, uh, depends on the metal.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  You know, a titanium watch, that's an expensive watch, but it's gonna be super light.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  Which is what some people like about it. It's different strokes for different folks, man. It's like, something you like might not be something I like, and that's, I think that's great, to be honest. There's something for everybody.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  In that, in the watch world.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  And really, all price points, too, to be honest. Like, you could spend a bajillion dollars on a watch, or you could spend a hundred dollars on a watch. Like, there, the barrier to entry is not money.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  I just feel like, to me, it feels like this, um, I don't know. Does it ever make you feel like a little more attractive? Like, when I put it on, I feel like sexy.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  I feel like it, I feel like it definitely gives you some confidence. Certainly, certainly. And I think-

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Like, when I'm on a date, I always go like this. And then if they don't care, then I'm just like, fuck it.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  I mean, look at me, I'm not pulling my sleeve down.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  No, of course.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  I could easily be like.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  On a red carpet, I always go.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  You're just kind of jingling, you're like, you're like, make sure my, they'll tailor.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've tailored suits, so it shows my watch.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  I've, yeah, I do the thing where it's like, it kind of like my left arm will be, the sleeve is a little bit looser than the right sleeve, so that it can pop out of the sleeve easier. As lame as that sounds, that's the thing.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  No, it's honest.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Full transparency.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, full transparency. Okay, question. So, when it rains, it pours. I mean, you spoke to God that day, you wrote that song.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  I love that song so much.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  So, okay, how, I just, I need to know, because out of all of the songs I listened to this week during my Luke Combs crash out, that was the one. I used, I made her send me videos of her listening to it in college, because it was her college song.

• 37:56Speaker 04

  Jam. Absolute jam.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  So, I just need to know from start to finish, how you started writing it, what, because it's a very like, uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, like, it's very like clever and quick.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  It's got some pace to it.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  What's your favorite, well, what's your favorite part?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Okay, my favorite, my favorite line in the song is ex-future mother-in-law, for sure.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  It's great, it's great.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  It's so memorable, like, and when I came up with that line, I was like, I was like real proud of myself, like, people, I was like, yeah, that was like, that was good, you know?

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Because you're like listing all these like good things that have happened, and you're like, and by the way, the best part is I don't have to see her bitch ass mom.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. And like, here's, I'll give my buddy, so I wrote it with my best friends in the world, Ray Fulcher and our buddy Jordan Walker. And we're, when I paint the picture of writing this song, so like, you gotta think, I have no albums out. I've released six songs over the course of my probably three years doing music at this point, all in my own accord, like, just as a, basically a college funk out student. And I moved to Nashville, I'm basically writing with, you know, any guy at Subway I would write with, you know? Like, I'd be like, let's write a song, like, anyone that would write with me, right? So, I basically would start going to writers' nights, and basically, you spend a lot of time networking and meeting people that you feel like you have,

• 39:12Speaker 04

  you know, a lot of things in common with, or that like the same kind of, you know, style of country music you like, or whatever it may be. And so I had met Ray and Jordan, just kind of doing that. And go there that day, it was my idea, when it rains, it pours. But in my mind, it was gonna be this like George Jones, like super slow, like tears in my beers. Like, my wife left me and I'm sad, like at the bar, and it can't get any worse than this. And so I remember Jordan going, I'm pitching the idea, like, let's do this song, you know, because you spend the first, you know, half hour of the write, like, what are we gonna write today? Like, what's your ideas? What's my ideas? You know, and you're kind of floating stuff back and forth.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  I pitched that idea, was selling them on it, and they loved the title. And Jordan was like, what if we made it like, what if we made it an uptempo song? Because the title, when you see it, you would immediately think, well, this is gonna be super sad.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  What does when it rains, it pours means? Can it be both good and bad things? I don't understand.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  I think it, I think it is a saying that is only meant to be like, when it's bad, it's really.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  That's what, yes, okay, that's how I took it.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  When it rains, it pours, like, it can't get any worse, you know what I mean? And so he flipped the script on it, his idea was to flip the script on the phrase of like, well, let's make it all good stuff. You know what I mean? And it was a brilliant idea. I mean, all credit to Jordan, like flipping, like, the song would not be anything like what it is without his idea. I remember his roommate, so none of us had publishing deals at the time, nothing going on, no record deals, like, we are basically all incredibly unsuccessful at this time. And Jordan had a roommate, a super nice guy named Andy Albert. And I remember he was in a different room, we were writing at Jordan's house, and he's in there, he's working on, he's like mixing a demo that he had written with somebody else.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  And we're just about to start the song, and he kind of comes through to get something out of the fridge or whatever. And Jordan's like, hey, man, you ought to like, pop in, pop in, write this song with us, dude. And he was like, oh, dude, he's like, I'm good, man, I'm working on this other thing. And didn't write the song with us and it wound up being, it's like almost double diamond song. And so Andy has since had like a bunch of other hits with other artists and stuff. So he's great. Like he's having a great career. But Jordan for a while was like, man, really should have popped in that day, huh? We even asked you if you wanted to come and say he would always give him.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Did the song kind of just flow though? Cause this you hear it's a like flow is the whole song in general.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  It was, it was like a really fun write for sure. Cause once Jordan said that, I'm like, well, let's, let's just dig into like it being, you know, just goofy. Like at that time, again, there's no like, there's no pressure at all.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  There's no like, well, we sure could use another hit or it's like, we really need a song. It was like, I'm just basically getting reps in. It's almost like you're at practice. Like I'm writing songs every single day. So like, and so is Ray and so is Jordan, not with each other, but every day we're writing with somebody different. So like, I'm trying to do any and everything, all styles, like, and so when I get, you know, rarely do you get like, let's write this like up tempo, like tongue in cheek song.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Like that, there's not many people trying to write that stuff in town.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Did you start what by writing the verses first or the chorus? How did you like approach?

• 42:39Speaker 04

  Every song is different. You know, the process of, of coming up with something is always different. And I think sometimes it's a really cool guitar lick. You know what I mean? Like I would imagine, I don't know this for a fact, but I would imagine when Tracy Chapman wrote Fast Car, she had the lick first.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  And it was like this lick is.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  I would imagine that was the first thing she found and was like, I have a lick that I really like. That's really cool. I should make that. I should just mimic this guitar lick. That's super in my mind recognizable. Cause again, you don't know until the song comes out. And so she really loved the lick. Again, this is all speculative. And then she writes the verses melodically to match that guitar lick. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes I, I have guys I write with that aren't super musical. Like they're not like melody, big time melody guitar guys. And sometimes they'll come in with a whole, like here's a bunch, like almost a poem of like.

• 43:44Speaker 04

  Here's this, here's these five or six lines and I really like how they all fit together. Now let's come up with a melodic thing that we feel like would match this vibe.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  And it just can, it can be anything. I mean, anything like sometimes, some guys come in like, like we call them track guys would be this. And so like they, they come in, but they're like almost, I don't want to say DJ, that's not the right word, but like almost, they're almost like a producer. Like they would come in with an entire song that's written basically that has no words to it at all.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  And you just press play. So imagine listening to You Proof by Morgan Wallen, no words. You come in and go, and it's just that.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  It's just the beat.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  And it's just the music for that song and they're going, this is a smash. Now what do we, now what do we say to go with that thing? Cause we feel like that's really catchy or there's a thousand different ways to skin a cat. And I'm like in the music business, that's another southernerism for you.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  But like, yeah, but there's a million different ways to do it.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  You like cats?

• 44:49Speaker 04

  I have two cats.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  I would not peg you for a cat guy.

• 44:53Speaker 04

  Something about us cat guys, you know what I mean?

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Ever since I was a kid, I have like probably since I was seven, I've really struggled with OCD. I'm a very, I have very, very, very obsessive thoughts. So that, and I'm very superstitious. So they kind of like become one. I have like wishful, I think it's called magical thinking OCD. Um, but.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  Just leave it, just leave it, just leave it.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 45:24Speaker 01

  I've had OCD since I was seven and my, like OCD is very obsessive about like, am I a bad person? Did I do this bad thing? Like, am I like, kind of like stained OCD is like how I would phrase it in my mind. Like my life is stained. A lot of people will treat it as like regular anxiety, but it's like really, really different. Like it, it's just a different type of anxiety. I, I can't describe it cause it's so obsessive, but people don't really talk about it a lot. Like they really do not, except in girls, they also showed it, but it's like really. It's a horrible disease. There is a website for this called NOCD and it is the world's leader in OCD treatment. It is covered by insurance. Life comes with like, accepting the fact that sometimes you have

• 46:05Speaker 01

  to manage something, instead of just trying to shut it out entirely. And that's why OCD treatment, at least to me, is so important. Because I know it's going to be a part of me for a really long time, but like, if I can manage it and make things better, like, I will get like, hours of my life back. Sometimes something very helpful with OCD is ERP, which is Exposure and Response Therapy, which I find personally helpful to me. Like, I did it back, I think in like, 2020, and it was like, I used to have this OCD thing where I had to add a song to a playlist four times, and I really love music, so that was really hard for me. And the exposure therapy I took would like, make me sit there in that uncomfortableness, but you really sometimes just do need someone to like, hold your hand and like, be like, "I'm specialized in this, like, I will help you."

• 46:49Speaker 01

  And the best thing about NOCD is that all their licensed therapists specialize in ERP, which is Exposure and Response Therapy. You meet with them in live, face-to-face, virtual sessions, and at least for me, like, all the therapy I do nowadays is virtual. If you are struggling, NOCD is a great resource for OCD treatment. You can go to nocd.com/jake to book a free 15-minute session to get started. That's nocd.com/jake.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, you gotta be who you're gonna be, dude.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  I know, but to what extent?

• 47:23Speaker 04

  To the extent where you're ultimately happy for the rest of your life.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Chill.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, you can't want to end up with somebody who's like, "Man, I wish you would be different."

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Right. Have you ever been in a relationship like that before?

• 47:37Speaker 04

  No, honestly, I haven't. I've always been pretty selective on that stuff, and I've always, I've always just kind of been like, one, I don't want to change anybody else.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  And I don't want anybody to change me either. And that's like, that's just upfront. And I feel like you kind of gotta get ahead of that.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Okay. I mean, people don't change. Do you believe people change?

• 47:59Speaker 04

  I believe people can change. I would, I think it's probably more uncommon than a lot of people would like you to believe. I think it takes a tremendous amount of work, whether that's... Physically or therapy wise, like there's some, you have to do some serious coal mining to get to, you know, the next layer below that, you know what I mean? And to rebuild it back up in a different fashion, it takes a lot of work. I think it is doable. I just don't know that people on the internet are doing it as much as they say they are.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Right. And then people also don't.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  Or they're not being as transparent about it, you know what I mean? So the relationship thing for me is, I mean, ultimately it will, you know, it will happen at the right time. And, you know, I mean, it will, when it presents itself, you'll, you'll know.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  You know, the year of yes.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  What was the worst year of your life?

• 48:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Twenty seven?

• 48:52Speaker 04

  No. So I'm thirty five. Twenty seven was rocking, bro.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, I'm sorry because I was just speaking to someone that said it was the worst year of their life because of Saturn return. But I don't know if you know.

• 49:02Speaker 04

  I would think worst year of my life was, would probably be like twenty one for me.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:09Speaker 04

  Um, so turned twenty one, I had really bad, I have like really bad OCD from time to time.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Me as well.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  Um, and like to the point where it can like affect like outcomes of things in my life, you know? Basically like crippling to some extent, like beyond like, I need to straighten the rug. You know what I mean?

• 49:29Speaker 01

  That's not.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. There is, are some people that do have that and it can become like a crippling thing. Most of it is mental stuff, but twenty one was the year I struggled the most with it. And it's another year where you feel like it's supposed to be the best year of your life. Like it's supposed to be this big, like, I'm finally a real adult. I can't rent a car, but basically everything else, you know what I mean? And so that was tough for me because I, I was in school at Appalachian State. I have a ton of friends. I have great parents that live an hour and a half away. It's actually my birthday.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Happy, oh, wow.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Uh, it was, yeah, it was actually my birthday. My parents came up, I remember it like it was yesterday. Cause anytime I have these moments, it's like a nuclear bomb going off in my head. Like you can't. Forget it.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  You're like OCD moments?

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  They basically can start like instantaneously.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Like what, like what, how does that manifest? Because I have OCD as well, so I know it can manifest in like a bunch of different ways. Like when you have an OCD moment or a flare up, what happens like in your head?

• 50:34Speaker 04

  It's basically, yeah, no, I don't. And it's basically like mine is based on, uh, you know, a lot of it, it all, obviously all deals with intrusive thoughts.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  So my particular, you know, sub variant, whatever you want to call it, um, is, is medically classified as purely obsessional compulsive disorder, which is a bit of a misnomer because there are a lot of compulsions, but none of the compulsions are visual.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  So it's all like.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  All the compulsions take place in my mind.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  They're thought-based compulsions, which are, which is an attempt to, um, negate or, um, uh, basically, you know, think away the intrusive thoughts that are giving me anxiety, thus creating more of the intrusive thoughts because you're giving them basically attention, right?

• 51:26Speaker 01

  So like a thought-based compulsion would be like making your brain think about something?

• 51:31Speaker 04

  What, no, no, it'd be like make, trying to convince myself. So let's say for instance, like, let's say I'm walking down the street.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:37Speaker 04

  And there's a bunch of cars coming and random thought flies by my mind. It's like, what if I jumped in front of those cars? And jumped out in front of the road? People have those thoughts every day. Everyone in this room's probably had some thought like that today, right? So for me, the, a thought like that, and it doesn't always do this, but it, given the right moment, the right state of mind, the right, like all the stars align up in the shittiest way, you have one of these thoughts and it basically, it basically sends you your mind into like fight or flight mode. Like you basically like initiates like a insane like panic attack moment.

• 52:14Speaker 04

  And you tried, you, the obsession becomes trying to understand or find an answer for why you had the thought.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Totally, totally.

• 52:24Speaker 04

  And then the other compulsions are trying to not think the thought again.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  And so giving that much focus to the thought makes your brain send it again. Because it's basically saying, there's a man with a gun in front of me. I should be afraid of it.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  And then the, so it sends the thought again.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  And you're going, God, you're still really afraid of that. How do I not think of that? And accepting that there's a man in front of you with a gun that might shoot you is the only way to not be worried about the man in front of you with a gun that might shoot you. And that's the hard thing to understand when you're in the grips of that thing, you know? I have a huge passion for mental health awareness because it was such a huge part of my life and it affected my life so heavily, you know? There's a lot of passion that I have for talking about it and saying, hey, you know, if you're a young person, because this started for me when I was probably around 13.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  But I didn't really even know what it was till I was probably 21 or 22.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  And you were saying that was.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  And you're just going, what is this? What is happening? Why does this happen every, once every six months or once every year? Like, what is this? Like, I hate this. Like, it's getting worse. How do I get rid of it? You know, like, why, why is it happening to me? You know? And then basically, you, once I figured out what it was, I was able to do a lot of work, some with counselors, some without, on my own accord. To now be able to like, live a really fulfilling, like, awesome life that's basically, I wouldn't say a hundred percent free of that, but 98 to 99% free of it.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  If it ever does pop up, I basically got the sword in the sheath that I need to pull out if I ever need to do that. And so, one of my biggest passions is letting young people know that, that that doesn't define you as a person. Like, that is not ultimately your destiny is to be this person who has a, who has mental health struggles or mental illness or whatever it may be. Like, that's not the thing that's going to be the definition of your life. It won't be the way that you're remembered. You know what I mean? Like, it's so important for me to like, let young people know. Cause I went through. So much like stress and grief and all these things like on my own. So I'm an only child too.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  So it's like, I don't have, there's no brother or sister to like talk to about it. And not that I wouldn't, like my parents were aware that I was struggling.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  And were they supportive?

• 55:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, very much so. But then also there, you know, as a parent now, I can imagine they're probably really afraid and scared. Because at that time, like, we don't know what it is. They're like, why is he, what is he even talking about?

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Well, OCD wasn't spoken about ever, really. Like, so what I had, I had no idea what I had. And then my dad, because mine was very, um, uh, like, uh, ritual based and a very, um, what's the word, superstitions based. So like, if I don't do this, this will happen.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Which is like based in what I'm thinking about.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Sure, absolutely.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Um, and so my dad would be like, well, just stop, like, just stop. And it's like, I literally can't, you know?

• 55:43Speaker 04

  My dad would say that from time to time too. And it was all with the best of intentions.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  My dad was like, he didn't know what to do.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:50Speaker 04

  So he'd be like, well, well, damn, someone, you stop thinking about it.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:54Speaker 04

  And I would go, well, fucking yeah, dude, that would be nice.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  That is the goal of the whole thing. Like, that, it's interesting that the whole, ultimately what you want to happen is like, you want to get rid of the thoughts. You don't want to have the thoughts anymore. But trying to get rid of them makes them come back. So letting them exist is ultimately the thing that removes all the power that they have over you. And saying, you know what? I will have these thoughts all the time. And that's just like, who cares?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  Like you are not, like, it's coming, kind of coming to terms with the fact that like, you are not your thoughts. Like, your thoughts are not physical beings.

• 56:30Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Are you, do you mind if I ask if you're on medication for it at all?

• 56:34Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 56:35Speaker 04

  And haven't been for, I went on medication for it when I was probably eighteen for six months.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  What, do you remember what it was?

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Uh, oh god, probably like,

• 56:45Speaker 04

  I want to say like some probably like a generic Zolo.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was I was just on Prozac. I just switched to Luvox.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Cause they didn't know again, they like, they're like, well, you just have anxiety.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Right. It's very, very different than anxiety.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Very different. It causes anxiety, but it is not the anxiety is not the root of the issue like. Basically cognitive behavioral therapy is the only way.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  What is that? Cause I think I need to do that.

• 57:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's basically like I I don't want to describe it at risk of not being able to describe it properly.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  No, well, it's whatever your experience was with it.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  I I haven't done any personally any CBT with my stuff, um, but I know that it involves like a therapist helping you. Through the tools, kind of like I was explaining earlier. It's like, okay, well, when the thought occurs. You flip the script on the thought, right? Like, it's like, okay, well, it's like, oh, my God, what if I all of a sudden I don't love Jesus anymore? And then you that sends you into the spiral and that's your obsession, right? And then it's like, okay, maybe I don't. And that would be okay if I didn't.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  It's not needing the answer is like the thing that sets you free from the thing.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  It's like if this happens.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  You may never get an answer because it all it all kind of revolves around the it's questions that can't be answered.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Is the thing. And even like, even though the bus, jumping in front of the bus example, you we in theory could answer that. They don't care about, they're not afraid of getting hit by the bus.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  They're afraid of why they're having the thought about jumping in front of the bus. And what does that mean about me as a person?

• 58:23Speaker 01

  It's kind of like when you're watching like a detective murder show and you're like, they go like, I could do that. And then you're like, wait, am I a murderer?

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Violent thoughts are one of the top ones that people that have what I have are.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  It's horrible.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Because it's basically all based in the antithesis.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Of your identity of yourself. So you basically go, okay, well, I feel like I'm a really good guy. And then you have a thought about picking a knife up and throwing it through somebody's head.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  And then you're like, why would I have that?

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Why would I, why did I think that?

• 58:56Speaker 04

  That must mean that I'm some sort of psychotic murderer or something. A lot of people have relationship based is another very common one. Like, it would be like, okay, well, what if I don't love my kids? Or what if I don't love my significant other? And then they become obsessed with that must mean that I don't love them or something, even though they do. And that's the only reason they're worried about it is because they do. If you did it, you wouldn't be worried about it.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  If you said, I'm worried I don't love my wife, why are you worried about that? Because you love your wife, that's why you're worried about it.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  Because not being in love with your wife would then thus give you anxiety or give you this panic inducing moment. And again, I'm no therapist, but I've done my 10,000 hours figuring it out many times over.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  You know, I, again, and not that I'm, anyone should seek any, you know, therapeutic advice for me.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Pretty therapeutic for.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  But it's like, there are just ways to explain it that sometimes the medical terminology is, can be very intimidating for people and trying to understand, like, what does this mean? What are all these big fancy words mean? And what is cognitive behavioral therapy? I don't, that's scary.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  It sounds scary, yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  It's like, no.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Just call it like getting over it.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:10Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, or something that's like relatable to people, you know? Um, like the country music version of therapy, just like, you know? But I don't know, I, I, I, I feel sad sometimes knowing that there's other kids that went through what I went through.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but now they have you to listen to and talk about it.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  And I hope they see it, man. And I, I hope that more, you know, I wish more artists would come out with their, whatever their mental health stories are. And a lot of them do, you know? But I wish it was more commonplace because I think seeing someone who has reached a level in, you know, in the viewer's mind of really high success, or someone that they look up to, or someone that they admire, overcome the very thing that they're struggling with, is in and of itself like so powerful. I cannot imagine like. My favorite quarterback from a kid being like watching a podcast and hear him describe this. Like I get the most messages after I talk about stuff like this on things.

• 1:01:10Speaker 04

  These people go, I didn't know what I had. I'm 20 years old.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Right. No.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  And I've never been able to like, you know, there's no like, it's hard to describe. And then when you hear someone else say it.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  It's also scary to describe because sometimes those thoughts are like.

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  This person's judging me. The person I'm telling is gonna be like, this guy just told me he wants to murder people.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's not why I say that at all.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  I'm having those thoughts.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's a very scary disease.

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  It is, man. It is. And it's crippling, man. You know, it really is. But if you have it, you can get over it. If you have any other mental health stuff, you can get over it and have a great life. Just know that.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Period.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Do you have any songs that you have written that are about that?

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  I have one that I wrote that's, it is yet to be released. It's not on the new album either. Um, I wrote it in Europe a few years ago with some good, good friends of mine. Uh, it's called breathing underwater is the name of it. And, uh, it's, yeah, it's kind of about that in a roundabout way. You know, I mean, not really roundabout. I mean, it's straight at it, but there's no like, I'm not like, hey, I have mental illness. You know what I mean? Like there's more of a songwriter-y version of that, you know what I mean? Um, but yeah, man, I, you know, and I think, um, I don't know that that's the perfect version of that song. I don't know that I've written the perfect version of that song yet. I really do like that song a lot personally because obviously I can relate 1,000% to it.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  You know, it's, it's truly like my story, not, not directly, but the, my feelings towards those things sometimes. But then again, I think you have to do it in a way that. Is approachable to others and I don't just don't know that I've nailed that yet. Something I would love to do.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  Um, but again, it just takes time. You know what I mean?

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  But yeah, I have no, no opposition to, to doing that kind of stuff.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

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• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  I saw you eyeing these candies.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  I was taking a look, man. I'm trying to. Everyone's loving them out there. Everyone's ripping.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  You want to try one though?

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  I'll try one.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Okay. They're called Katches. Katches. Yes, yes.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  Okay, I'll give it a shot.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  Listen, I've never said no to a bag of candy, but.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  So, okay. So I'm going to give you, so these are a, these are a German candy. They're my favorite candies in the entire world. Okay. So these are the wild, the squishy wild and free gummies. So they say like giddy up cowboy and stuff.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  I'm in dude, you know what I mean?

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  I think you're going to gag.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  So I'm going to grab a couple.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Okay. And do you want to cheers?

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's cheers.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Okay. But you have to eyes.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Eyes.

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I see a nice texture on those. The bite's good on there.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Isn't that fucking fire?

• 1:05:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's really good, actually. You're going above and beyond on the packaging. I can only imagine the product is probably, probably quite nice.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Have you also noticed my shirt?

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  A little Miller? A little camo shirt?

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  I kinda, well, you know, we have the Miller because there's, I've heard that, well, I've seen a video of you teaching how to shotgun a beer. And I was thinking we could do that here.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Let's do it.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  To do it right now?

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  I'm in. Let's do it.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:30Speaker 04

  I like it. Basically, normally you just pop, like, you're just gonna pop a hole in the can, right? Is the kind of the idea.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  But if you're going pro level, you're gonna wanna pop the hole in line with the mouthpiece of the can. So you get this part on up, you want that facing up.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  This, the part you would drink out of, you want it facing up like that. So then, when you crack it, the beer can't come out of here. It can only come out of this.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  Because if you cracked it like this, it would all just pour out.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  So crack it like that?

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  So you're gonna wanna, I go like on, and then I tilt, and then I crack it.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Like this? Okay, okay, okay, so...

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  So when we pop it, like...

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  So this, and so this will, so like the...

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  And then you'll go, yeah. But physics-wise, now the air bubble is right here. I usually do it like this.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  And then all you...

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:24Speaker 04

  So, you can do fingers, which is probably not the best idea to do.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  No, I don't think that would be good, okay.

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  This is gonna, it's always gonna spill to some extent. This is the best version of it.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, I, if it spills, that's okay.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  Roof, roof to the ceiling?

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  Once you're at the ceiling, you crack it.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:06:42Speaker 04

  One, two, three.

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  Ouch.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  How was it?

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  Did you get caught dude? Did you get a little caught going? Or you good? Just a gas bubble. We got a gas.

• 1:07:09Speaker 04

  Cheers. Eyes. Be ten A.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Oh my lord.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that gas bubble will get you dude.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Oh my god. I don't know if any way in your mouth. Shut up.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  It wasn't a zero out of 10. I've seen worse.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  Can your, is your wife cut out it?

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  Not, no, not really, no. Just do it. Don't fight it. It's gonna happen whether you want it to or not.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  It's just gonna happen. Yep. Now. You saw the burps. You're feeling the burp coming.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  It's coming.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  So imagine you're doing that. You rip one on stage. And you're immediately into another song. And so for the next song. There's a moment every night after I shock on the beer. In the next song, while I'm singing, I burp and it's like no one knows that I burped.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  Okay, question.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  In like a breathing and I'm like.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Is it true? Is it true you bring somebody up to shock on a beer with you at your shows?

• 1:08:15Speaker 04

  Usually, yeah.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Okay, so we're coming to your Vegas show.

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  We gotta step it up for that. We gotta, we gotta work on it. We gotta get some practicing.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  Get some reps.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  But we're really, oh, it's coming. I think the burp is.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  You'll know. It's gonna be like, it's gonna be a full blown. It's not gonna be like a. It's gonna just like a deep from the bowels.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I'm scared.

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  You just forced to like see like carbonated water into your stomach at like a rapid rate.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Okay. Um, hold on.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  Here's the thing, if you stop thinking about it, it's almost like the OCD. You stop thinking about it and it will happen and it will be done thinking about it. And all of a sudden we'll be talking, it's gonna be, okay, anyways.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  Are you excited to teach your kids how to shock on a beer when they grow older?

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't even know that I'll have to teach them. You get them in the right college, they'll teach themselves.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Where do, where do you want them to go? Or I guess you don't care.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  I would love for them to go to Appalachian State. That's where I went. That's again, very selfish reason for wanting them to go there is just so like I could go to football games and like, like toed around at Parents Weekend and like, watch the game and stuff.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  I mean, but how cool would that be?

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  That would be very sick, you know? Um, but anywhere, man, also be cool, like, be really neat to like, cause I'm, I'm like diehard like loyalty guy. Like I'm, I'm Carolina Panthers, diehard like to the like, if we lose every game for the rest of my life, I'm still gonna be wearing the stuff.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  But that also lends into like, well, I'm not, I don't really ever get an opportunity to get new teams into like the lexicon of things that I'm obsessed with. So if my child went somewhere else.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  You'd be excited about that.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  I would then have an excuse to be like insanely devoted to like another thing that I have no association with, and that would be a valid reason for doing that.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  Little bit, a little extra. You get to get one, dude, I'm, I'm feeling for you over there.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  I think I'm scared.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  I think I'm scared.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  You don't have to be scared, man, it's, it's gonna be good. Don't force it though, it might hurt a little bit, you know what I mean?

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, well, so now, now is the time in the show. Oh, well, I never asked you what you were therapist about. What are you therapist about today?

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  I'm pissed, I'm pissed, you know what I'm pissed about?

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Uh, the, the difficulty of weight loss is the thing that I'm pissed about, man.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Have you, have you been on a journey?

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Oh, bro, you wouldn't tell, but it's been, man, I shoot, dude, I've been gluten free for two years. I've been, uh.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  There you go. There you go. Gluten free besides beer and whiskey and stuff.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  Which doesn't, doesn't, I wouldn't pass any celiac, like.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Can I tell you what helped me with my weight loss? Cause I actually recently went on a journey.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  I cut out dairy for a bit.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  And it really helped me. Besides like Greek yogurt and stuff.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Sure, sure.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  But just, you know, like very cheesy things, very creamy things. Cutting that out is my, the number one thing I'm walking.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, man, it's, it's been, yeah, for me, it's like I do intermittent fasting every day.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  So I don't eat till 12 every day. Shut it down by eight. Unless I'm drinking. You know what I mean? That was the one, dude. That was the full. I told you it was just gonna creep out. Like you're gonna forget about it and then you're.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, so I'd say the, like, the fasting has been really good for me. It's balancing family life, work life.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Of course, yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  Time, like, I don't mind working out, man. I, I don't love it. Like, I'm jealous of people that love it, or I think they're fucking lying, to be quite honest. Um, but like, I don't mind doing that. Um, and it's just really slow, dude. It's so slow. Cause like, I don't, there's no shortcuts. Like, I don't wanna like, do the injection thing and nothing against anybody that does. It's just not my cup of tea and it's not my personal preference. So it's just been like, it's just painstaking, man. It's like, and again, it comes back to the thing we talked about. Can people really change?

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  I think real change requires like real, real change. Like it's a fundamental change, like in every way that I've operated in my, you know, relationship with food, man, for my whole life. I mean, for 33 years, man.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Also though, like people with OCD can get really obsessive about food as well. And then that can make this.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  And it also, it also like, when you're basically spending 90% of your day in a state of like pure anxiety, sometimes the only escape you have is like.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Food.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  Pizza, dude.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, or whatever. And then it becomes like, then it becomes like this friend that understands you or whatever. Um, I think that, you know, a food addiction is a highly understudied thing. And I think that, you know, my manager, he was really big when we first met. He was. I mean, four hundred and something pounds, huge. I mean, he's six, four. He was a ma- mountain of a man. And he got, uh, he got gastric bypass.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Surgery, um, because he was getting to the point where he was like, man, like I'm, this is life threatening. And so he got that and he has the best quote, man, cause he, he's a big advocate of like food addiction and like how serious it is and people don't understand it. And, you know, he was like, people scoffed at me my whole life of like, well, I'm addicted to food. I have this big issue with food. And I was like, dude, just don't eat, just eat less or what, you know what I mean? And he said, food is the only thing that you can be addicted to, that you have to have every day.

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  So when you quit cigarettes, you don't need cigarettes to be alive.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  You don't need alcohol to be alive.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  But you

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  You can go cold turkey on those things.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  It would be like if you had to do heroin after you were abusing heroin, you still had to do it every day.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Wow, yeah.

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  And so for him, he's like, it is like, basically you have to like barely like, you have to figure out how to like suppress your addiction, but also eat and still be alive and eat every day. And he's like, that's the thing that people don't understand. It's the only addiction you can't quit.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Also mixing the fact that you're on the road all the time.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  Certainly.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  It is so hard to eat on a routine on the road. Yeah, it's impossible.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Schedule's hard.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Cause after a show, I'm sure sometimes you're like jacked up on energy and

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  Dude, after, post show food is after show food is like the most evil invention in the entire world.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  We, we used to always eat at like 11:00 PM when I would do shows and like the, I got home, my mom was like, you're hefty.

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  So I remember going like on my first big tour I was on where I was like opening, bust, like the big deal. Like I'm like, dude, I'm a big rock star, like this is cool, you know? I'm like first to three, like nobody cares at all who I am and stuff. I'm opening for Bradley Gilbert. Such a fun tour, so much fun. I'm first to three, so our set is 25 minutes, 20 minutes. Playing these big arenas, like hurricanes are kind of starting to crush, like, like the set is on fire, you know? And we're sort of playing like, I mean, the whole set, we probably played four or five number ones in 25 minutes. They just weren't number ones yet.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  So we'd go into like, end with Hurricane. First songs, When It Rains. Then we're playing one number away. Then we're playing She Got The Best Of Me. It's like, and it's all these songs that ended up being huge hits.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Beautiful crazy.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  25 wasn't written yet at that time.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Banger.

• 1:16:02Speaker 04

  Banger though.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Banger. That no change at the end goes stupid. Are you ever nervous you won't hit it?

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  All the time.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm all the time. I'm nervous about being terrible.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Sorry, sorry. I interrupted you.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  No, no, you're good. You're good. But I remember like, we finished the first night of the tour. Finished the show. Again, we only played 25 minutes, so you don't really even have to like do any, like, it's not hard.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? To like do 25 minutes, like, I always thought it was like, we're not, like, I don't work construction, dude. Like, it's not hard. It can be mentally exhausting at times, but physically and like comparatively to what other people do, like, it's a total cakewalk.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  Anyone that pitches like, oh, you don't know what it's like and blah, blah. I get that mentally it can be taxing, but keep it in perspective. Let's be real about what we're getting to do here.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Right. We're not working nine to five.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  Exactly. I'm not working in the summer sun on the side of the interstate somewhere, you know? And I'm sitting on the bus after the show, like, I think Brantley's probably playing or just finished playing. And I get this like, you know, buses like parked on the street. Somebody's like knocking on the bus. And there's this guy there. And he's sitting, and I'm like, oh, hey. And he has an entire catering tray of Chick-fil-A chicken tenders. And I'm like, what is this? And he's like, after show food. Like after show food, what is that? He's like, well, we get it every night. Like we buy it every night. Like the tour buys it for you and then you just, it just shows up every night. And I was like, this is gonna be bad, dude.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you like Chick-fil-A?

• 1:17:37Speaker 04

  Not gonna be good for me. I like it all, brother. That's the problem, dude. You know what I mean? It's, I like it all, dude, you know? And, uh, you know, from salad to fried chicken, dude. It's like, there's nothing in there I won't give a shot.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Fried chicken and salad?

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  Also fantastic.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  I gotta take you to Jones on third. They have a good fried chicken salad.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  It sounds fantastic.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Best fried chicken salad.

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  I'm gluten free though, so fried chicken I'm probably out on.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:18:00Speaker 04

  Now.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  You know.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  Has gluten free helped you? I've been debating it.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  Uh, it, I feel like it has. And I, I started doing it for my OCD stuff.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  My dad, my dad, when I was a kid and I used to have temper tantrums would be like, you, you cannot have gluten. It makes your mood so much worse. It makes your thoughts so much worse. Is that true?

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  Uh, I mean, it, it has worked for me quite well.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:18:25Speaker 04

  So I would, uh, I'd give it a shot. I mean, it can hurt. I mean, do it for two, three months and see what you think, you know? I mean, maybe it's not for everybody. I don't think there's one answer. I think some of the food stuff is a big answer and it may, for you, it may not be gluten. It may be seed oils or something, you know, I mean, something for everybody. I went and did a food panel is what I did. It was basically they did a blood draw and they tested against hundreds of different ingredients. And the results are like, my, my number one thing was basically like any and all grains and gluten. We're all in the red.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  But you can't cut out grains.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  You can though.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  I love rice so much.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  No, no, no. Rice was, not rice, not rice. Rice is like, rice wasn't on there. Mine was like oats.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  Barley, gluten.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  Wheat. Excuse me, still the shotgun's still coming back. Yeah. Um, but it was, uh, it was on my other two wild cards. So all grains, apples. Wow. And goat cheese. Uh, goat cheese is heavy, I understand. You know. Apple sheets and apple a day. So my doctor, when we, cause I was really, really, it all started with, let's get like, let's get this OCD thing like really dialed in. Do everything we can do to keep it at bay and you know, outside of the tools we already have. Um, and so we did the food panel and my doctor suggested that, uh, and that went really, really well.

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  And so then from there, me and my doctor started talking about, so I've always wanted to lose weight, always had trouble losing weight. I don't understand why I can't lose weight. And she goes, I've always been kind of bigger myself. And she, the thing that helped me is I did this food panel thing. And she said, one of my biggest inflammation causing foods was kale. She was like, I was eating kale in my smoothies every single day. Cause I'm like, kale is healthy. It's, it's so individualized person to person. So like, even though a food is quote unquote, considered healthy and it is, right? It's very like subjective. Right. It's sure it has lots of vitamins in it. We can all agree that healthy food is healthy.

• 1:20:40Speaker 04

  But healthy food is not healthy for every single person. And just because something is healthy, doesn't mean your body responds well to it. Like if, like if strawberries caused you inflammation, you have crazy inflammation, you're like, well, I don't understand. I'm eating strawberries every day. And then you find out, well, your body doesn't respond well to eating strawberries. So it's a food you should avoid in general. I should do a food panel. Should do a food panel. Louis, would you do it with me?

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so let's.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 1:21:09Speaker 04

  It's really great. I mean, it really did. And it's really helped the OCD.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  A lot.

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  Really a lot, a lot.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Meds can only do so much. I'm on them, but they can only do so much.

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  And the reason that it helps is where these inflammation causing foods or whatever. And again, I think that's subjective as well, like what foods cause inflammation? I think we can agree there's certain ones that cause more than others. But individually speaking, your response to this may not be the same as your response to this.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:21:36Speaker 04

  It's food that quote unquote doesn't cause inflammation and may cause inflammation for you.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  Right. It's so, I feel like healthcare should be so personalized and I feel like it's really generalized. I feel like that's kind of an issue that we have and that's, you know, it's tough.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  What do you think causes the issue of healthcare being generalized as opposed to personalized?

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, I have no idea, dude.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  I mean, I got no idea.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:58Speaker 04

  I mean, that's like asking me some math question.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen the video of JoJo Siwa outside of Craggs? Have you seen that video?

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, JoJo. You've never seen this fucking video? Okay, anyway, whatever you guys.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  Um, well, it's time we get into the tell me what's wrongs.

• 1:22:19Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  My sister is getting married and I'm her maid of honor. One of her bridesmaids, who I hate, is getting mad at my sister for planning her wedding before hers. Oh. She's a total narcissist and is accusing my sister of trying to one up her. I want to punch her, but fear my involvement will only make it worse. What should I do?

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  Friends out. Out, your friend get out.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Oh, you think no more bridesmaid for the friend?

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  No more, no, no more friend, dude.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  I think so, too.

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  No more friend, dude.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's narcissism.

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  A friend, a friend doesn't do that, by the way. So not a friend, ultimately. Someone that you want to be friends with, or it's a one-sided friendship. Out.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Right. That's crazy.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Gone friend.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  That's narcissism. Oh, my God, this is about OCD. I have, I, I have a really tough time explaining my OCD to people. It's even more educated people who know it's not just so you're like really clean. I feel so crazy sometimes and can tell I'm annoying the people around me, even though I'm really not trying to. I'm working on my OCD as I go through life, but what are good ways to give context to my behaviors without just saying OCD?

• 1:23:27Speaker 04

  I think that's interesting. I don't think it's your responsibility to have to justify what you're going through to anyone else. First and foremost, I don't think it's your responsibility to explain things, or it's not your fault if someone doesn't fully understand. Um, I think you have to stay on your journey of healing yourself and getting better and adapting, you know, to the cards that you were dealt. And to some extent, it is that. And ultimately, it's like, you do have OCD and that is what it is. And it's not a stigma thing. It's not bad. Like, I don't think that it's your responsibility to explain it to other people.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  Um, and nobody should be pressuring you to like justify it or describe it like, that you have enough going on if you have OCD. Like, you shouldn't have to

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  fill people in on like, what is it? Like, pop on your, pop in the endless internet in your phone and figure it out. If you can't figure like, why ask me? You know, like, you are not an expert on OCD, nor do you have to be. You know what I mean? Like, you should just focus on getting the help you need. If somebody else needs context, that's their problem. To be, to be quite frank with you, I think.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  Do you ever use ChatGPT?

• 1:24:44Speaker 04

  Bro, all the time.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Okay, do you know that's really bad for OCD?

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  In what way?

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know. I read an art, I saw an article about it once, but at least from, from what I'm understanding, is that you can find reason in anything, right? So like, and so like the AI,

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  It's interesting you say this.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  So like the AI, you'll be like, um, I am sneezing. I literally have a video about this. I'm sneezing and my arm hurts. And ChatGPT will be like, actually, that's because sneezing and your arm hurting, it will just find anything because it knows everything.

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  Sure. And I, and I, you know, it's funny, I've thought this a time or two when I'm using, I'm like, man, this could be really scary for like,

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  Medical stuff.

• 1:25:32Speaker 04

  My particular form of OCD, it could be a very deep rabbit hole to climb out of. But I have used it as a tool in my OCD as well.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  Because there are some, there are these methods of thought that I use from time to time when I'm. Uh, struggling or when I'm like, it's like, well, okay. So like you have to identify the like the reason for the thought, right? Like it's, I'm, it's hard to kind of try to explain, but like, to have this unanswerable question, you have to be, of course, again, okay with the not knowing the answer, right? Right. So I was having some OCD based around like, I was like, I wanted to like, touch my elbow or like whatever. Right? And I was particularly struggling with like, why am I worried about this and why? Like I, so in my mind, I'm trying to, I'm trying to do the thing I normally do of like,

• 1:26:26Speaker 04

  like getting boiling it down to my reasons. And so I got curious about this. This was earlier in twenty, January twenty five. I was kind of having a little bit of a flare up and I couldn't really come up with the like, the conclusion that I needed. I felt like to get to the place I needed to be to like quill the thoughts coming in. So I popped it into GPT and I'm like, hey, I'm trying to do this. Based around having pure OCD. I'm not looking for any like reassurance. Like I'm not like, this is not me like seeking relief from my anxiety.

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  It's me going, help me, help me explain to basically to myself. The thought process of getting from here to here. Right. Because I'm looking for, i- i- it's kind of hard to explain. It's deep OCD stuff, but it's like, I needed to know, like, okay, so I'm not worried about, I'm worried about the like, the need to like touch my elbow or whatever like that. And I'm almost worried about like, why do I want to do that? Right. One, like, ha- like, help me get to an answer. And it's like, this is this thing. And then I went, oh. Okay. So yeah, it can be helpful as well. The thing like, so then I was able to immediately like, put it in the place in the like,

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  Get well library that it needed to be to like, complete the equation of like, getting over.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Okay, I see how that could.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  It wasn't like me going like, please tell me I'm a good guy. Like, that could be really bad.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:04Speaker 04

  For sure. And you should not do that. For sure.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  I was on a double date at the bar with my best friend and our partners. One thing led to another and my best friend got very drunk and aggressive. He was being crazy and I was trying to calm him down and he, hmm, and he socked me in the face and started this embarrassing bar fight. I've known him for fifteen years and nothing this intense has literally ever happened. My partner hates him now, obviously, and refuses to hang out with him. I don't really have a question besides, how do I navigate this situation?

• 1:28:32Speaker 04

  Um, I would say that not all friendships are meant to last forever.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  You think, but do you think like, one situation like that can cut it?

• 1:28:43Speaker 04

  Not, yeah, uh, not, not always. I think sometimes. I think it's time to have a serious conversation with this person and go, what the fuck are you doing, bro? Like, you hit me in the face at a, in public.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Have you ever been in a bar fight?

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Never at a bar. I've been in some fights, but never in a bar. Even though I was a bouncer, it was my job to kind of make sure the fights didn't happen. It was kind of my.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Would you pull people off of each other?

• 1:29:06Speaker 04

  Oh, certainly. Certainly. You know?

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Did you ever see a girl be like, stop?

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, dude. That happened every night. That was like, every night occurrence. College bar, like, tensions are high in there. This back to the friend thing, like, you gotta, this is a serious conversation.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:24Speaker 04

  There's like, there's apologies owed to.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  There was maybe drugs were maybe involved.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  Certainly. Also not an excuse, by the way.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  No, of course not, but I'm just saying.

• 1:29:33Speaker 04

  But yes, like, yeah, that's, yeah, you gotta have such serious, you gotta, it's a grown man shit right there, dude. Like, it's time to, somebody's gotta own up to something there. Yeah.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  My Uber driver low-key admitted to manslaughter while he was driving me to a party. I'm so unconfrontational that I just smiled and waved. I don't want to give any details, but maybe I should report this? It was an automobile accident and it seems like he totally got away with it. I'm not worried I'm in danger, but like, do I do anything with this information?

• 1:30:02Speaker 04

  That is, that is a highly nuanced situation there.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  It's kind of giving, I know what you did last summer vibes.

• 1:30:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, is it like, I feel like I would need some, a lot more detail on, on what's going on there. Was he like?

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Well, you studied homicide stuff?

• 1:30:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just want to be like, did he say like, he hit a guy and got away with it because he was like exonerated from the thing? Or was found innocent or like, there's a lot of different ways to interpret that saying. If he was like, yeah, hit this guy in my car and drove off and nobody knows about it. That's a fucking different story.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:30:36Speaker 04

  But there's some, there could be like, you could in theory say, oh, you, I don't know if you can really get away with manslaughter. Because manslaughter in and of itself is kind of like.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:30:48Speaker 04

  Sometimes accidental, right?

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Okay, right. Yes, you've studied that.

• 1:30:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:53Speaker 04

  Getting away with it is an interesting thing. Like you can get away with murder in theory. But like, that seems like that's what you would say in the question. Like if the guy was like, getting away with manslaughter is such a like specific thing.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  What is manslaughter?

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  Manslaughter is kind of, it's again, it's like kind of nuanced. Like it's state, it can be state to state.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  Like some states, what's first to be murder and the other states would be manslaughter.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  But what's the, like, what is that?

• 1:31:22Speaker 04

  I would say that like mans, like there's involuntary manslaughter, there's voluntary manslaughter, which voluntary manslaughter will be like, I did something inherently dangerous.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  And.

• 1:31:31Speaker 04

  And I knew that it could result in someone dying.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:31:35Speaker 04

  And I did it anyways and somebody died.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  It wasn't like you sat out and said, I'm fucking killing this guy.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:41Speaker 04

  It wasn't that thing. That's murder for sure. And then involuntary manslaughter would be, I did this thing that like, is normally a socially acceptable, normal behavior. And it resulted in someone dying and I am at fault for that person's death.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:57Speaker 04

  So like, it's, it's almost too vague of a question to answer. I would, you know.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Report it.

• 1:32:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you want to, yeah.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  Go to the cops.

• 1:32:07Speaker 04

  Be like Steve that drives a Hyundai Elantra.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, just let me know.

• 1:32:11Speaker 04

  Manslaughter somebody, dude, like.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  Just let them know, I guess. Make one star review immediately. Maybe report it, pop it to Uber.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:32:20Speaker 04

  That maybe somebody working for them is bragging about potentially killing somebody, you know? That was, I would think would be of concern to them.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  Do you have, um, like, okay, so you said you watch Stranger Things, but do you like detective television shows and stuff and like?

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  I do, like True Detective is.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  True Detective, season one, all time.

• 1:32:37Speaker 04

  All timer. I mean.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  All time.

• 1:32:38Speaker 04

  I mean, honestly, um, what is it? Season three?

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Season three was good. Season two was not good.

• 1:32:44Speaker 04

  Season two I didn't like. Season three I liked. Season three was a lot better than season two and nothing will ever touch season one. I mean, season one.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Okay, what about Sinners with Bill Pullman?

• 1:32:53Speaker 04

  Haven't seen it.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  I have to see it.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  Oh my God. It is the, oh my God.

• 1:33:00Speaker 04

  You think I would love it?

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Love. Have you seen the center? It's the center, not center. Sorry. It's the center.

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  The center.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  It is outstanding. Outstanding. I promise you.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  If you like True Detective, season one, and you're saying.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  I like, I like almost everything though.

• 1:33:14Speaker 04

  What's it streaming?

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Uh, it was on, eh, eh, what? The center? Yeah, it's on Netflix, but it was like an A, whatever it was called.

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  It's like a mini series kind of thing?

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  There was three seasons.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  Oh, there's three seasons?

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're all good, but season one's the best.

• 1:33:26Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  Um, have you, did you watch Task?

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:33:29Speaker 04

  No Task.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  You would love Task.

• 1:33:33Speaker 04

  I'm, I gotta get up, dude. My, like, my dad time is short.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  Okay, right, right.

• 1:33:37Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, I don't get many couch, like.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  You watch All Her Fault?

• 1:33:41Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  You would also like All Her Fault. But All Her Fault is very.

• 1:33:44Speaker 04

  You have to like send me a list.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  I will say, I watch, I watch everything. The Beast in Me is great. If you watch that. Ever do Homeland?

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  I did Homeland. I did Homeland. It's good. It's good.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  Great, yeah.

• 1:33:55Speaker 04

  I did Homeland, yes. But I, I gotta get up. I'm glad you, I feel like you're giving me some stuff here.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:34:00Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Would you ever watch something with subtitles?

• 1:34:02Speaker 04

  I love some watching subtitles.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Show, German show called Dark on Netflix?

• 1:34:06Speaker 04

  Seen it. It's great. Great.

• 1:34:08Speaker 01

  No, you haven't.

• 1:34:08Speaker 04

  I seen it. It's great.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  How amazing is that show?

• 1:34:10Speaker 04

  Very good.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  Like makes you.

• 1:34:12Speaker 04

  Highly recommended.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  Makes you think about life in the most insane way. Like, I did a rewatch.

• 1:34:17Speaker 04

  It was really good.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  It's really, really. Have you ever seen it, Luis? You gotta give it a go. It's amazing.

• 1:34:23Speaker 04

  It's German, right?

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's German.

• 1:34:24Speaker 04

  It's a German show. It was a German Netflix deal and it was so well received, they brought it to the States.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I felt like I learned German from it. Danke.

• 1:34:32Speaker 04

  Okay, wild. Okay, wild. Uh, do you like, would you rather watch original language with subtitles or the weird dubbed over English?

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  I would, I, I think people who watch dubbed over English are like borderline sociopathic.

• 1:34:47Speaker 04

  It bugs me to no end. Cause I'm like.

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  But you're, that's not.

• 1:34:50Speaker 04

  Their mouths are like.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  But it's also like, you're not watching the show.

• 1:34:53Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  You're not, you're not watching the show. That's not the acting. They're not acting. That is people, that's not real. That is not real.

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. It's like a.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  I can't do it.

• 1:35:03Speaker 04

  Cause they don't, it's not like they're, it's not like they're hiring.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:07Speaker 04

  DiCaprio to revoice the guy.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:35:10Speaker 04

  It's like your buddy from high school. They like called him in, they're like, hey, you mind reading a couple of sentences for this thing? And he's like, yeah, I think I got stabbed by that guy. And then it's like, and I'm like, this guy doesn't even know how to voice act. They found this guy in the street.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's horrendous. It's pretty fucking horrendous. I, I can't do it. My friends can do it, but I, I can't. Ooh, my mother and father-in-law are too overbearing. My husband is their only son, so they're just so involved in our lives. Planning our trips for us, hosting events like every other day. Oh my God. And guilting us to come almost every time, etc. To the point where it feels like they're making big decisions for us and always giving us unsolicited advice. But it's super hard to be annoyed because they're also so nice and helpful. What do I do?

• 1:35:58Speaker 04

  Man, you gotta talk to your man, dude. He's got like, he got like, I don't know, man, there comes a time. How old are these folks? Do we know?

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  We don't know.

• 1:36:06Speaker 04

  It's anonymous. Assuming you're.

• 1:36:09Speaker 04

  Adultish.

• 1:36:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:11Speaker 04

  Like, I don't know if maybe if you're nineteen, I can maybe understand that a little bit more.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:15Speaker 04

  Um, but if you're in your thirties, we're getting to a, you know, problem, I would think.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  And if you break up, you know what to listen to.

• 1:36:23Speaker 04

  If you, for sure, for sure, when it rains, it pours, you know? It's a, it's, yeah, that's a, that's a toughie, dude. I find, it's like, tell the list, tell the pussies out there, give us a little more detail.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  Yes, Luke, I always ask for more context.

• 1:36:39Speaker 04

  Like, I need more context.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  I always ask for more context, always.

• 1:36:43Speaker 04

  Same town.

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  No, we don't know, we can't help you, I can't help.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  If we want some real answers, you know what I mean? But I think you gotta like, you gotta like, tell like, is it, they married?

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Unclear.

• 1:36:54Speaker 04

  Unclear.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:55Speaker 04

  We gotta tell hubby, prospective hubby, whatever, like, come on, bro.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:00Speaker 04

  Tell your parents, like, you kinda like, let me live my life a little bit.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Uh, for sure, and also, like, you know, sometimes I do think that, have you, oh my god, you haven't seen the girlfriend on Amazon, have you?

• 1:37:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  Okay, well, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes parents are really weird with their kids.

• 1:37:17Speaker 04

  There is, that is true, that is ve- very true.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  I work for my girlfriend's dad, and we recently just got, yeah, already. And we recently just got into a relationship ending fight at their dinner table because we ended up arguing about how we wanted different things in life.

• 1:37:31Speaker 04

  Oh, brutal.

• 1:37:36Speaker 04

  That's like a movie, dude, that's horrible.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  Okay, so you're out of the relationship?

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Well, uh, unclear yet. The bad part is, her entire family was present for it. It's been a week and I haven't heard anything from her or her dad. I'm so scared to go into work, and if I do, what can I say? Or do to keep that job?

• 1:37:53Speaker 04

  It's over, that is the end, dude, like, you are nuts, you're never.

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  I feel for that guy, though.

• 1:37:59Speaker 04

  Never coming back from that, dude, you broke up with your girlfriend at her parents' dinner table in front of our whole family. At what I'm assuming is the holidays.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:08Speaker 04

  Quit your job and just, it's time to start over, bro.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:38:12Speaker 04

  There's no, even if you come back from it, it will be brought up every single time that you see them for, and listen. Do what you want to do. Maybe this is your person. Maybe you made a mistake.

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  But don't, but you can't have that underlying anxiety of if I get in a fight with them, I will also lose my job. Because that will take hold of the entire relationship.

• 1:38:35Speaker 04

  But you asked me, or you asked Jake and Jake asked me. It's over, bro. It's, it's, it's the end.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Do you have a good breakup song of yours you'd like to prescribe?

• 1:38:45Speaker 04

  I would prescribe, um, I would probably prescribe some Merle Haggard for that one. That's a, I don't know if I have anything.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:38:54Speaker 04

  You know, it's time for, you know, it's time for growing up and moving on. Travis Meadows, Learning How to Live Alone would, go ahead and get that one going.

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  Right. Or when it rains, it pours.

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  We all, hey, we all choose sides when the ship goes down. Okay? So just be on your side and let them be on their side.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  I never work.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  Things are better left the bottom of the ocean somewhere. You know what I mean?

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  What type of, do you only listen to country music or do you listen to other stuff as well?

• 1:39:25Speaker 04

  Everything. I'm a huge hip hop guy. I love hip hop. I really, I've always loved hip hop. Um, I, I really crave like authenticity in whatever music that I'm listening to. Um, it, it doesn't have to be something I can even relate to, man. Like, uh, I just have to like, I don't know. You just, I think there's something subconsciously in music like. As fans, we know when something is authentic or not, even if we don't know, we know that.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:55Speaker 04

  Like the artists that you gravitate towards that are around for a long time. Obviously there's a lot of one hit wonders or people that have one or two songs that do well and make a great career out of that. But the artists that, you know, the Bruce Springsteen's of the world, like people are gravitating towards that. Because there's an innate authenticity to it.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:16Speaker 04

  That they don't even realize that they realize, you know? And so whatever music that I'm loving. I usually gravitate towards stuff like that. It's not, of course, not exclusively that. You know, like I get down with the Backstreet Boys, dude.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  You ever listen to Summer Walker?

• 1:40:32Speaker 04

  Mm-mm.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I think you'd like her.

• 1:40:34Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  She's great, R and B.

• 1:40:35Speaker 04

  I'll give it a shot.

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  Besides, besides you that I've been listening to this week, I've, have you, do you listen to Summer? I, I'm sick for her right now. I'm sick. You all, I'll listen to it.

• 1:40:44Speaker 04

  I listened to it today. Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  Well, Luke, I'm like so sad you're leaving.

• 1:40:50Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, man. I had a great time, dude.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I'm gonna see you again at your concert.

• 1:40:54Speaker 04

  Yep, come on.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, uh-huh.

• 1:40:56Speaker 04

  Redo the shotgun, hopefully.

• 1:40:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, hopefully.

• 1:40:59Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Well, what did we learn today?

• 1:41:01Speaker 04

  I feel like we learned a lot, you know? I feel like we learned a lot about, you know, OCD. We learned a lot about.

• 1:41:07Speaker 01

  Shotgun-ing.

• 1:41:08Speaker 04

  Shotgun-ing beers. We learned a lot about, we feel like we gave some pretty heavy life advice to some random people. There's a lot going on in here today.

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:16Speaker 04

  Um, but I enjoyed it, man. Thanks for having me, dude.

• 1:41:19Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for being here.

• 1:41:21Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  I'm gonna try, really try to end my crash out right here, right now with you.

• 1:41:25Speaker 04

  Yep, let's do it.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  This is it. It's done. So, thank you for coming on the show.

• 1:41:29Speaker 04

  Yep. Adios, pussies.

• 1:41:48Speaker 05

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