Session 151: Sam Nivola

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• 0:12Speaker 00

  Okay, you guys, I know we had a week off. And honestly, I think, I think we all needed that. I was getting a little sick of myself. I needed the week off. I think everyone needed the week off. It's like, you know, when celebrities like go to like rehab for like exhaustion? That's what that week felt like for me.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  I'm just now noticing the piercing.

• 0:40Speaker 00

  Oh, the fake piercing.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Oh, it's fake?

• 0:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Looks good?

• 0:45Speaker 00

  It's a lot. What, everything going on here, it's, it's a lot.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  I gotta stop. I gotta stop trying to be someone I'm not. Okay, so I did say I was gonna call Cassidy and Will in for this intro, just to do a little check in. Hello?

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Where's Will?

• 1:06Speaker 00

  I don't know. We've all had distance issues lately.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Really bad distance issues.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  When I'm with Will, I'm not with Cass. When I'm with Cass, I'm not with Will. And Will and Cass, do you guys see each other?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, we actually do. We make time for each other. Very, very important time for each other. There's too many events. I'm a little stressed right now.

• 1:27Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, how are you feeling going into Halloween weekend?

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm like incredibly stressed out right now. There's a lot happening. My apartment's a fucking disaster. I haven't been to my apartment in four days because I've been sleeping at yours.

• 1:42Speaker 00

  Do you spend, do you ever spend time in your apartment?

• 1:45Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm gonna give this apartment up. I'm not here. I don't want to be here.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  My apartment is my closet. My apartment is my closet. My throat, my clothes are everywhere. My shoes are scattered around the floors. You know when your apartment's so messy, or your house is so messy, that like, it's almost just like you look at it and you're like, I don't know where to begin. I'm trying to clean it today and I'm like, wait, I actually don't know where to start. Like, there's an Ugg slipper on my pillow. Like, I don't know where to start. Like, there was a good pizza from like two nights. Like, I can't, I just don't even wanna talk about it. There's water bottles all over my apartment. Like, I don't even wanna be here. Like, I'd rather just leave, politely leave my apartment.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  It's too much.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Where's Will? He's here!

• 2:37Speaker 03

  Can we get this show on the road?

• 2:39Speaker 00

  Okay, so we have to hash out a few things. Us three as a group are not what we used to be.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Wait, what do you mean, not like we used to be?

• 2:46Speaker 00

  When I'm with you, I'm not with Cass. When I'm with Cass, I'm not with you. And then when you and Cass are together, y'all ain't with me.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  How are you feeling of being back in L.A., huh?

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Sad, I miss my friends. I miss Will.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Why the fuck?

• 2:58Speaker 03

  You didn't act like that yesterday.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  What the fuck are you talking about, William?

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Also, like, why do you throw that in, like, why?

• 3:07Speaker 00

  Oh, Will always does this. Always. He's-

• 3:10Speaker 02

  No, but no, but why do you do this to me? Like, I don't wanna be on this call if you're gonna say I miss Will. Like, where is the love for me, ever?

• 3:17Speaker 01

  No, like, honestly though, like, I will say, Jake, we had the best weekend ever.

• 3:23Speaker 00

  I know, cuz I'm the X to your Y.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  You're the X to my Y.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  But you guys act like I wasn't here Friday. I was.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  You were.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  You were, but Will and I had a little bit of a kick and goodle Saturday night.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  We had a good little run there.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Wilson, I ain't letting you go home early. Uh-uh. You did not let me go home.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  I put my boot down.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Jake and I went to Beastie alone.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  We went to the club alone.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  That is a vibe.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  With my B M P.

• 3:53Speaker 00

  And honestly, like, bring back doing that because we had so much fucking fun, Will.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Honestly, like, that was my highlight.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  We literally just went to the club alone. We were like, we are the party. Like, the party will come to us.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Thousand, and it did.

• 4:10Speaker 00

  Will, can you let therapist viewers know where to pre-save your newest single?

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Please.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Um, it's in the link in my bio.

• 4:21Speaker 00

  Okay, that's the only, that's the only thing-

• 4:23Speaker 01

  WillHunt19, please click it.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  You guys, please. You know, if I can ask you about anything, please pre-save his single, please. It is in the link in his bio at WillHunt19. The single is called Rocky Top Baby. Just please pre-save it, please, and comment if you do, please. Will, I miss you!

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I miss you.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  But why is it always like this?

• 4:46Speaker 00

  No, because Cassidy, when I'm in L.A., every second of the day I spend talking to Will or seeing Will.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Will, today?

• 4:55Speaker 00

  We do nothing all day. I wake up, he goes to Bravo Toast, I go to my workout, and then he says, "Come over." And then we all sit in his house and he has a record on-

• 5:07Speaker 03

  We watched, Jake, remember? We watched one episode of Pin 15 on my couch, then we drove to Jake's house to sit on his couch and watch another episode of Pin 15, and that was our day.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  And then we drove back to Will's and finished Pin 15 at his.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Okay, I get it. I get it.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  In his Lego car.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  In my Lego car.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  You guys think it doesn't hurt me every day that you guys are across the country from me? Two people that I would very much prefer lived in the same city as me.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  It's not easy.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  Will, what do you-

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Will, are you playing with kids? What's up with the background right now?

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Oh no, I'm walking on the beautiful streets of New York and the fall leaves are just falling and they're crunching under my feet. This is the best day ever.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  I haven't seen you, so I'm not sure how that's possible.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Well, you know where to find me.

• 5:54Speaker 00

  No. Where, where, where, where can she find you, Will? Where?

• 5:58Speaker 01

  A la Bravo Toast.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Right, babe. Right.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  Okay, well, you know what? I love you guys. This was a very fun catch-up.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Oh wow, that was quick and short.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  And I love you guys so freaking much. Quick and short's the way to do it.

• 6:16Speaker 00

  Okay, love you. Bye. Tonight, we have on my dear friend Sam Nivola, who I just, I love. I was such a big fan of him when he was in White Lotus, and then I got to meet him and hang out with him, and we became close, and he is just the best. He is such a nice person. He's the nicest, he's the funniest, he's the smartest, and he is in the new show Phony, out now on Hulu. I think the third episode came out this week, cuz the two came out last week, and this is the third. It is fantastic. I got to see the first four episodes, so now I'm just like, waiting? It's a really, really, really, really, really good winter TV show. It's perfect. It's perfect. Oh, oh, oh.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  I would like to preface. I tried to sound a lot smarter than I am to impress him in this episode. And I also, like, it's just a lot, okay? Like, I cosplayed intellectual. This was like during my era of, it's just a lot, okay? Like, you don't need to say it. I know. I was just trying to impress my friend. He's really smart. And I just, like, I'm not, like, it's, we, you know what, though? Like, everyone's smart about different things, okay? And that's fine. Wow, this was a little bit of a longer intro today, and I hope you guys enjoyed. As always, like, I love when you comment on Spotify and tell me what you think of the episode. Like, really, I love it. It's my favorite thing in the world. I always look for them. When, like, every single time I post an episode, like, I always look for the Spotify comments. I really do.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  Oh my God, also, it was my birthday. I'm 27 now. So you can follow my new 27 playlist on Spotify. Okay, enjoy the episode. I love you pussies.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Let's fucking party.

• 7:53Speaker 00

  Let's party!

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Are we rolling?

• 7:57Speaker 00

  We're rolling.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  Fuck yes.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Oh my God, I'm so excited about this.

• 8:00Speaker 03

  Am I on the curse?

• 8:01Speaker 00

  Yes, why, people always ask this.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Okay, shucks.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  Uh, shucks. Well, he is the star of the new Hulu series Phony with Connie Britton. Please welcome Sam Nivola.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  Thank you, guys. Thank you.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  It's so good!

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Thanks, Jake.

• 8:18Speaker 00

  It's so good. It bugs me out, that show.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  I know, it's pretty fucking creepy.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  You're always drowning in water.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  I'm always drowning in water. I'm always drowning in water. It's a nightmare, I know.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  What's, what's up with that?

• 8:30Speaker 03

  I, I don't know. I have a sort of fear of, I have a fear of boats.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  You're cla- yeah, so you have, you have to face all your fears during filming.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  I have to face all my fears during filming.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  You have a fear of boats?

• 8:42Speaker 03

  I have a fear of boats. I have a fear of acting.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  Do you act? What do you mean?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  I kind of do. I get stage fright. I, but boats is the main thing. Boats, I, cuz I get cla- we've had this conversation. I get claustrophobic. And being on a boat is like, you're literally-

• 8:58Speaker 00

  Stuck.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  Stuck. There's no way out.

• 9:00Speaker 00

  I would argue a plane is worse.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  A plane is, and I also get it really bad on planes, but on planes, at least, I'm like, there's something about the complete release of control of, like, if this plane crashes-

• 9:11Speaker 00

  Yes!

• 9:11Speaker 03

  It's like-

• 9:11Speaker 00

  What am I supposed to do?

• 9:12Speaker 03

  What am I gonna do?

• 9:13Speaker 00

  What am I gonna do?

• 9:14Speaker 03

  I'm gonna put on a 90-minute cut of Avatar, is what I'm gonna do.

• 9:17Speaker 00

  Of what?

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Avatar.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  Oh, I haven't seen the, I haven't seen the latest.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Well, I haven't seen the latest. I haven't seen the latest either, but I mean, the origin-

• 9:27Speaker 00

  Oh, like The Last Airbender?

• 9:28Speaker 03

  No, Blue People.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  Oh, that one.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Also, The Last Airbender. The Last Airbender is awesome. I watch a fair amount of, like- Animated, like, I love Family Guy.

• 9:39Speaker 00

  I love Family Guy.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  I love, um.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  You like Rick and Morty, huh?

• 9:42Speaker 03

  I love Rick and Morty.

• 9:43Speaker 00

  So tell me about Rick and Morty, because my mom loves Rick and Morty.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Okay. I love that your mom loves Rick and Morty.

• 9:48Speaker 00

  She's like, it's the best show ever.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Where's your mom from, Megan?

• 9:50Speaker 00

  New York.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  New York.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  Or is one of them depressed, or am I thinking of?

• 9:54Speaker 03

  One of them's depressed. Rick is like, an crazy depressive alcoholic, and he's, it's like, a fucked up abusive relationship that he has with his grandson, and he forces him to do all these, like, weird adventures with him. But, the characters are so well thought out, and the story structure I love, because it's not like Family Guy where, Family Guy's great, but Family-

• 10:15Speaker 00

  Family Guy's just straight funny.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  It's just straight funny.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  It's awesome. But the thing about Family Guy is that it's, it's, every episode is a different thing. Like, you can drop in and watch any episode.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  You can't do that with Rick and Morty.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  You can, but, the thing is that, like, three out of every ten episodes is tied into some storyline that's going through it. So like, some of the episodes are just bottle-episode adventures, and then occasionally, it'll catch on to the wave of the plot of the show. And I think that's kind of brilliant, because you get the best of both worlds.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  You, you know what? As you were talking to me about that, it's not Rick and Morty that my mom likes, it's Bojack Horseman.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  No.

• 10:50Speaker 00

  It's Bojack Horseman.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Bojack Horseman's also great.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  And that, he's also depressed.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  He's also depressed, and that's great. You, you would love that. It's such, like, inside baseball about the film industry and-

• 11:00Speaker 00

  Really?

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Being in LA.

• 11:02Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 11:03Speaker 03

  It's about like, a failed actor. Or no, it's about like, an old, what, like-

• 11:06Speaker 00

  Sitcom, right?

• 11:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a nineties- And he's a horse.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Which is totally unrelated.

• 11:11Speaker 00

  Okay, well, tell me about Phony.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Um, okay, let me tell you about Phony. What do you want to know? I mean, well, okay, so you've seen the first four episodes.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  And you need to send me the remainder, remaining four.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Get you links to the rest of it. I, I, yeah, so I, basically, I auditioned for this show.

• 11:27Speaker 00

  That was gonna be my first question. Was it offer, or was it audition?

• 11:30Speaker 03

  It was definitely audition. It was, it, I auditioned, it, this all kind of came into play, like, the week before The White Lotus came out, so.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Wow, so that long ago?

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, a long time ago, because it was a pilot.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  And they did the whole pilot thing, which, from what I've heard, I mean, I'm very young and haven't worked for enough years to know what it was like in the past, but apparently, they don't do that a lot anymore.

• 11:54Speaker 00

  They don't.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  Which-

• 11:55Speaker 00

  It used to be a thing. They did it with Glee.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 00

  That's the, my most famous example that I know.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Pitching, you, didn't you just sell a show or something?

• 12:02Speaker 00

  I did just sell a show.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 12:05Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 12:05Speaker 03

  It's fucking awesome. Then it took, like, a fair few months for them to, for them to decide to pick it up. And, it wound up working out totally fine, but, you know, the, the way, obviously, the way that the TV industry works is like, there's so, e- every month, there's a new thing that's like, oh, everyone's buying thirty-minute comedies, or everyone's buying hour-long dramas about miserable people, or whatever. And, it's, I, I feel like sometimes if you make the pilot and then wait a year, whatever the hot trend is that you were trying to catch on to, can disappear.

• 12:35Speaker 00

  Well, that's why you can't make stuff based on trends.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Exactly. I completely agree.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  You have to make stuff based on-

• 12:40Speaker 03

  What you wanna-

• 12:41Speaker 00

  What you wanna make.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 00

  So, what was it like working with Connie Britton?

• 12:46Speaker 03

  It was fucking awesome. She was so good. She, I mean, she, of course, like, she has done, not only has just done so much acting, obviously, but specifically has done so much TV, and like-

• 12:59Speaker 00

  White Lotus.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  And White Lotus, and Friday Night Lights.

• 13:02Speaker 00

  You watch Friday Night Lights?

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Fucking love Friday Night Lights.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  It's literally the best show of all time.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Me and my mom watch, it was just the best.

• 13:08Speaker 00

  Me and my dad watch Friday Night Lights.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  It's the best, right?

• 13:09Speaker 00

  It's just a really good, like, depiction of like, just like, normal life.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  And they make it, and all the characters, and it started so many careers, like, if you think about like, who's like, Jesse Plemons, Michael B. Jordan.

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  Taylor Kishich.

• 13:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Mika Kelly.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:28Speaker 00

  God, it's-

• 13:29Speaker 03

  All of them.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  It's all of them.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  But yeah, she's amazing, and she's, and, and she just has so many hours on sets, like, she's, whatever they say about being a genius is, you-

• 13:40Speaker 00

  Ten thousand hours.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  Ten thousand hours. She's got her ten thousand hours, and it was just so amazing to kind of learn from her, and to finally feel like I could really like, because it's my first real proper lead role, at least in TV.

• 13:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  And, and, I mean, co-lead with her, but like, it was the first, I feel like sometimes when I'm a smaller role, I don't feel like I even am allowed to be sort of picking people's brains, asking questions, like, having deep creative conversations with people, because I'm like, oh, I'm just the, like, guy that's here. I'm just happy to be here.

• 14:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 14:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  And, and for the first time, I was like, oh, I, now I like, kind of have the balls to be like, okay, Connie, like, tell me what your process is, and like, tell me about how you do things, and like, let's talk about this scene together. And, it was almost always just her telling me what's what, and me being like, yeah, that's, that sounds like a great plan. And, but it was great, because like, I learned so fucking much.

• 14:37Speaker 00

  Did, was there any advice that really stuck with you that she gave you?

• 14:40Speaker 03

  I mean, the thing that I thought was the coolest of the way that she handled it, is that the, her,

• 14:50Speaker 03

  she, she had to be playing two things at once, because the whole thing is that she's-

• 14:54Speaker 00

  An imposter.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  An imposter.

• 14:56Speaker 00

  And they do a really good job making her look like one.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  They do an amazing job making her look like one. However, on set, on the day, she didn't have anything on her face, because it's a bunch of VFX artists that do this thing. And I don't, like, know a lot about how it works, but all I know is that it was the same person, and her performance was so different in these two versions of herself, that it really, uh, made it easy to tell the difference between them. Like, she, because the whole thing is like, oh, is she an imposter, or is she someone whose kid just went through a really traumatic car accident, and she's rattled, and she like, i- it's totally fucked her up, because she's terrified by the, by the situation. And you could really feel the difference between those two things.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  And even in the scenes, I guess this is a roundabout way of saying, the scenes where she was supposed to be coming off as kind of creepy, where like, the writing was like, oh, that, you know, she's sort of, is putting ointment on his skin, and it's like, this kind of creepy thing, or she's touching him and whatever, and, and she, she would play it so sincerely, like, just like, a mother who loves her son, and in a way, that was so much more creepy, do you know what I mean?

• 16:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Because it was so normal.

• 16:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was supposed to be the imposter in that scene.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And that, I thought was so cool, of just like, you don't, like, especially with sci-fi elements, genre-y stuff, comedy, the best thing to do, at least in her book, which I've now adopted, is to play the sincerity, and like, always be sincere, and just play the character.

• 16:34Speaker 00

  Not like, try to get something, yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  Don't do, don't do the show's work for it. Like, if the show is a well-written show, which it is, y- you don't need to, that's not your job, you know what I mean? Your job is to be the character.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  Wow, that's good advice.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  That's good fucking advice.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  Do you, do you know what this reminds me of? Have you ever seen Goodnight Mommy?

• 16:53Speaker 03

  No, I haven't. I've heard, a lot of people have-

• 16:55Speaker 00

  Comped it?

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it good?

• 16:58Speaker 00

  I remember, it's the only movie I've ever, because it was rated R, and I was like, fourteen, trying to see it, and I remember, remember seeing Goodnight Mommy on the Upper East Side, and I was trying, and I had bought tickets to something else, because I looked like a child, and they wouldn't let me in, and they caught me, and I never got to see it.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  I know.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  That sucks.

• 17:17Speaker 00

  I know, and, I never got to see it.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  I remember that being such an important part of childhood, like, trying to sneak into R-rated movies, and it feeling really like, it was almost more thrilling than like, trying to get a beer when you're under twenty-one.

• 17:31Speaker 00

  Oh, way more thrilling, because restaurants in New York will serve you.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was, it was like, it was like, this makes or breaks the night. Either I'm going home,

• 17:41Speaker 00

  Uh-huh.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Or I'm going to see an awesome scary movie.

• 17:44Speaker 00

  Do you like going to the movies?

• 17:45Speaker 03

  I love going to movies. That's all I do.

• 17:47Speaker 00

  What was the last movie you saw?

• 17:49Speaker 03

  The last movie I saw, I'm gonna sound like the most pretentious person on the planet, last movie I saw was a nineteen twenty-eight, I believe, Ukrainian silent film called Earth.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  And you, you like, went out of your way to-

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Yes, but it was awesome.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  Good for you.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Uh, no, honestly-

• 18:11Speaker 03

  I'm so smart.

• 18:12Speaker 00

  That's how I feel when I listen to like, music that's above my pay grade.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  Like, that's how I feel when I listen to like, Bonnie Bear.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Part of me was like, it was this amazing thing where like, the ticket, it was at the Metrograph in the Lower East Side. It's really cool, they play old movies, and they have like, a cool bar in there.

• 18:27Speaker 00

  I have issues with old movies.

• 18:28Speaker 03

  You do?

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Like, real issues.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Which, well, how old are we talking?

• 18:31Speaker 00

  Like, the earliest I can go is what, whatever year Goodfellas was released, that's it.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  That's fair.

• 18:37Speaker 00

  That's it.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  There are a lot of great movies after that.

• 18:40Speaker 00

  What does a night out look like for you?

• 18:42Speaker 03

  What does a night out look like for me? Um-

• 18:45Speaker 00

  We tried to have one together.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  We tried to have one together.

• 18:48Speaker 00

  Too hot. It was so fucking hot, Sam.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  We were in Paris, it was during that heatwave, for those who remember. It was fucked up.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  You're the only one that actually experienced it with me, besides my friend Charlie. It was all, it was Paris. What was it like shooting in Thailand?

• 19:04Speaker 03

  What was it like shooting in Thailand? It, it was awesome. I mean, it was amazing. It was one of those things that, like, in hindsight- Was more amazing than it felt in the moment.

• 19:14Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Because, not because of anything, I, I don't mean to sound like a total dick of being like, I don't know, Four Seasons is just not that nice.

• 19:25Speaker 00

  No, but nostalgia is a mind's trick.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  Nostalgia is a, is a trick and, and I, yeah, it was just really stressful because I really wanted to do a good job. It was my first like huge, huge thing and I, and everyone did, we were all like, cause it's such a big show that no matter who you are, all these people that I really looked up to were also kind of shitting bricks. And like, we were all really scared, but, and it was really hot and it was really, really hot.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  You guys had a pretty all-star cast.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  But we had an amazing cast and that made it kind of awesome. Cause it was like, whenever we had time off, we, it was like a big dinner party every night and like going to do fun things, going to hang out with elephants and.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  How was the food?

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Massages. The food was awesome. So, so, so good.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  I'm so jealous. I've never been to Thailand.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  You have to go. It's really, really awesome. You should do a whole tour. There were lots of people. I didn't actually like have the time or maybe I just like was too, wanted to just like chill and do nothing on my weekends, but like there were people that would go, like Sarah Catherine went to, to Vietnam for a weekend while we were there and said it was like the most amazing, like you, they're all so close. You can really just go around.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  Oh my God. It's like Europe.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Europe.

• 20:35Speaker 00

  Wow. America sucks.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. I know. We're so far away from everything.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  Everything.

• 20:41Speaker 03

  It's brutal.

• 20:42Speaker 00

  Where'd you shoot Phony? Cause it looks beautiful.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  We shot it in Vancouver where they shoot just about everything and it was awesome.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  That guy, whoever, whoever plays your little friend is so fucking funny.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  He's so fucking funny. I'm gonna get dinner with him tonight. He's the coolest guy.

• 20:58Speaker 00

  Where are you guys going?

• 20:59Speaker 03

  We're going to our showrunner Nick's house. He's gonna order us some food.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  I get anxious when I go to people's houses for dinner. There's no escape.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, there is no escape. That's true. But I feel like in LA, there's kind of no escape from anywhere. Cause you gotta get in a car if you want to escape.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I, that's why I prefer, I, I've been preferring New York. But I, I'm happy to be back in LA. Like the, I just went on a walk before we got here and I was like, the weather in LA today is like, if I could bottle it up and have it every single day for the rest of the year, I would.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  It is amazing. Although I have to say, today is the wrong day to be making that claim.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  Why? You, it's, you don't like this?

• 21:36Speaker 03

  It was raining.

• 21:37Speaker 00

  When was it raining?

• 21:39Speaker 03

  It was raining like 20 minutes ago.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  What? Was it really? It doesn't feel like that at all.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  I know. It feels nice. I like it. I'm sick of this. It's been a long, hot summer and I'm sick of it and I'm ready for some rain. I'm ready for some cold.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  I know. Well, it was pouring in New York yesterday.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  Pouring.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. What were you doing in New York?

• 21:59Speaker 00

  I had recordings.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  And then I.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Of what? Music?

• 22:03Speaker 00

  The show.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Oh, the show.

• 22:04Speaker 00

  The show. And then I went out.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Where did you go out? Did you go to Joy Face?

• 22:11Speaker 00

  No, I love Joy Face though. I love Joy Face. We went to this new place called BC.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  BC? Where is it?

• 22:20Speaker 00

  It's like a, it's like a nightclub.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  And the catch of BC, the reason it's so, uh, good.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:28Speaker 00

  It's cause you can smoke cigarettes inside the club. So it feels like Europe.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  That's like, do you remember Clandestino? The place that was above the Cipriani? I think it's probably still there.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Oh, Socialista?

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Or Socialista, sorry. Clandestino is the dime square one. Socialista, the same, similar name, that you can smoke in there.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Really? God, I've never been in a more crowded club in my entire life than Socialista.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's also like the vibe is pretty intense there.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  It's a, it's a lot.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  It's a lot. I, I feel like the least attractive, cool person there.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Well, that's how I felt. That's how I feel all the time. Yeah, that's how I feel all the time.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  That's how I feel right now.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  But we went to this like Mexican restaurant for dinner before, for drinks before.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 00

  Best mango margs I've ever had in my entire life.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  Wait, mang- oh, mango margarita?

• 23:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  You just said mango margarita. I've never, I've never heard of a mango marg.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  You're lying.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  I'm not lying.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  You've never heard of a mango margarita?

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Never heard of a mango margarita. I've never heard of spicy marg.

• 23:22Speaker 00

  That's so random. That's such a random thing to have never heard of.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  I know. I feel like it.

• 23:29Speaker 00

  I'm so sorry. They're delicious. Do you like margaritas?

• 23:32Speaker 03

  I love margaritas, but do they make them out of all kinds of fruits?

• 23:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. They have strawberry margaritas, mango margaritas, watermelon margaritas.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Third eye and get out there and have some margs.

• 23:42Speaker 00

  I know. And we have to see you next game.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  And we have to see you next game. I, by the way, went and watched your episode of Adults, which is the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  And you're in it the whole time with my friend Sophie.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  She was, we were talking about you.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Who we did a movie together.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Driver's Ed.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 00

  And she said you guys just filmed in a car the entire day, all day, every day.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  The entire time. But you could, but this isn't about me. This is about you being awesome in that show. It was the funniest thing.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  You were awesome in Driver's Ed.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Actually, I heard.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  But you were so good.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  An actor.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  It was so funny. Like I, I watched all the, I found, I found these like outtakes on TikTok.

• 24:20Speaker 00

  Those were, I was really happy they posted those.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  Fucking funny.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  I was really happy they posted those.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  You coming up with your phone, being like, we're mi- you, you can't arrest us. We're minors.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  You know what? I was, I was actually proud of that one.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  It was really good.

• 24:32Speaker 00

  Do you take acting classes or do you, no longer?

• 24:35Speaker 03

  No, I, so I have a, I, I had a sort of like two years when I started working where I think I was really, misguidedly was just like, acting is, is a, is an instinctual thing. And it's just like, either you got it or you don't. And like, I just, I clearly have it, you know? And like, it's a very easy thing to feel. If you book a job, you're just like, oh, well, I'm just like him. But then of course, I, then I was working with people that were much older than me and, and I'd like Oscar winners and people that I really look up to, who all still do acting class. And so I was just like.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  Right. And you're like, who am I?

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Who the fuck am I? And so I started doing, I've done, I've done a bunch of like classes here and there in New York, but I have this acting coach that I work with named, uh, Anya Safir, who works with the Atlantic Theater Company, but she's like a, she's like a Shakespeare expert. I didn't know that. She's so humble about it. I know this, but she's like, one of the world's leading Shakespeare scholars and like uses that in her method. And so anyway, I, I like, I, I meet with her a bunch whenever I, whenever I do a job.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  Do you ever get worried about over preparing? Cause I remember when I did, uh, my, I was like in, uh, my first movie.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 00

  And I remember, do you know Lewis Pullman?

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:57Speaker 00

  He was like, just don't over prepare. He was like, whatever. And he's so good.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  He's so good that I was like, okay, maybe I'll, maybe I'll listen for once. And I, cause he was like, don't, he was like, with comedy, you can't go in and read it and like over prepare. Cause like, then it's just, it becomes awkward. Do you ever struggle to find that line?

• 26:16Speaker 03

  This is a great question. I totally do. I think that, that is one of those things though, that it's really different depending on the genre. Like I think if it's comedy, you're so right. I think if you over prepare, I think the best way you can prepare for a comedy is like watching funny movies.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  And hanging out with your funniest friend.

• 26:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  And like getting good sleep and like making sure that you're like ready to be like fast and on. But I, I think that for, for, like Phony was the thing that I prepared for the most over the course of my life. I was meeting with, with Anya once a week. I was meeting with her like, wh- while we were shooting. I was meeting with her three times a week before and I really, really like had a whole notebook with every scene, like what my intentions are in the scene, what I'm trying to get out of the other person, like classic, whatever.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  But did you find that it helped?

• 27:09Speaker 03

  And I found that it was so helpful, even if just for the fact that like, because I wanted to be prepared cause it was, because it was my first lead role like that in TV where I was just like, I'm gonna have no time. And I didn't, I didn't have any time to, to be, like normally when you're a small role on something, like you spend 10 hours a day sitting around with all the time in the world to think about how you're gonna do the thing. And then you do the thing and it's fine. And this was like, I was, it was like back to back to back scene to scene to scene to scene. Like if I, if I didn't have a notebook with all my shit in it, I would. Have drawn so many blanks and I think that it really helps to to at least have a game plan.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  And then you can always mess with it. Once you get in there, you know what I mean? But like to to have some idea of what I was doing was just like invaluable.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  Are you an improviser on set or are you straight to the line? It's like you stick to the line, straight to the lines.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Well, it depends. Straight.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Straight to the line.

• 28:09Speaker 00

  I'm cosplaying today.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  By the way, I'm cosplaying. This is not who I am.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Oasis as.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Yes, no, every part of me is not like who I am, except I am obsessed with Oasis as of late.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  I am too. They're great.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  They're great. You know, they're going on tour again.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Well, they are the poster children for a soccer team that did some very bad things recently.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  What soccer team?

• 28:35Speaker 03

  Called Manchester City.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Oh, they're Manchester United or Manchester?

• 28:39Speaker 03

  They're Manchester City and they're and and City have just been found guilty of all these like financial crimes. And I think they're gonna get knocked to the B leagues.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  What money stuff?

• 28:51Speaker 03

  They basically have these rules to try and keep, because all these teams are owned by like Saudi billionaires and

• 28:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, okay.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  And like really rich, like Russian oligarchs and they put so much money in it to try and keep it from being unfair. Where just like the richest person's team wins. They make it so that the amount of money they spend has to be less than or equal to the amount of money that the club makes. So like if the club makes a billion dollars a year on like ticket sales, shirt sales, streaming rights, whatever.

• 29:23Speaker 00

  They can't have the owner spend more than that.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  More than a billion dollars to get better players. Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Totally. Okay, that makes sense.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  And they spent, I think, a billion dollars more than they should have.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Those are, those are the scariest fans, though.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  I know, I know, I know.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  Like you thought Knicks fans were intense, Eagles fans were intense? No, UK soccer fans are some of the more more intense people.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  And have you ever been to a soccer game in Italy?

• 29:46Speaker 00

  No.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Those are so crazy because you can, you can smoke in the stadiums there, you can drink in the stadiums.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  That sounds so fine.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  So awesome, but there, those rivalries are so deep because it's like, it's like Rome is playing against Naples or whatever Rome, yeah, Rome will be play against Naples and it's like, it's not a rivalry like New York and Philly where it's like, you know, you have, you know, you have this stock exchange and we have Rocky. You know, it's like, it's like, it's like your people massacred my people 2,000 years ago and I still haven't forgiven you.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's like way more.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  It's like ancient rivalries and the chants are all like about political figures from like thousands of, you know what I mean? Like it's cra- it runs.

• 30:33Speaker 00

  When did you go to a soccer game in Italy?

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Well, I lived in Rome for a while, for like almost a year, no, like I guess between half a year and a year.

• 30:41Speaker 00

  For, were you shooting something or?

• 30:42Speaker 03

  No, I, I went there right after I graduated high school. I got, I sort of took a gap year. I had done my first acting gig, but I had not gotten another one since then and I was like, I, I had so much confidence and I was just like, I'm just gonna go like, I, I just made some money, like I have money. I'm gonna go on a trip and just like do something crazy and I went and lived in Rome.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  That is crazy.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  It was kind of crazy, but it was amazing because I, I weirdly have a lot of family there. I have a lot of family in Sardinia and they.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  Must be nice.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  So, so nice.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  To live there year round?

• 31:20Speaker 03

  But the sad thing is that there's very few people that are still living in our town. I mean, there's, there's a lot of people living there, but, but most of the people my age, my like cousin age, they have all moved to the like big cities because there's no work in these, in these little towns anymore. Like that, that family was historically stonemasons and shepherds and like those, those aren't jobs that exist anymore. So they mostly live in Rome, but it was great.

• 31:47Speaker 00

  I was just watching a show.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  What was it?

• 31:48Speaker 00

  Below on Netflix.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw a huge billboard for that on Sunset just this morning.

• 31:53Speaker 00

  It's cool. It's interesting. So it takes place in Newfoundland.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Canada.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Canada, yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  So like near Montreal.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:00Speaker 00

  But like really rural Newfoundland.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  So like.

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Cold.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  Freezing.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  And like their, their line of business there is like collecting these icebergs. And then they sell, like they go fishing for icebergs.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  And then they sell the ice.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Okay, they sell the ice to like supermarkets?

• 32:23Speaker 00

  And like you can take like shots, like a vodka with like icebergs. That's what I took away from it. It's also a horror film about like an evil thing that like.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  Wait, and it's set in like modern day?

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's set in modern day. They're trying to get them to relocate again.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:37Speaker 00

  Because like, like so above my head, what I took away though is that I was like taking shots at a bar in rural Newfoundland.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Sounds out of ice?

• 32:46Speaker 00

  Out of ice? Sounds so fun.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  So cool.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  So I do want to go there now, but there also is like a demonic giant squid underneath that's like killing everyone.

• 32:57Speaker 03

  You buried the lead on that one.

• 32:58Speaker 00

  I know.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 33:01Speaker 00

  I know. I watched like three episodes last night. You know what I just watched? It was so good.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  What?

• 33:05Speaker 00

  The new Carrie adaptation.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Oh, I would love to watch that. I love Carrie. I would love to watch that.

• 33:10Speaker 00

  I've never seen the original Carrie.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  You've never seen, because it was made before, uh, Goodfellas.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mike Flanagan did a great, do you like Mike Flanagan?

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:19Speaker 00

  He's the best.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  Have you ever seen Haunting of Hill House?

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Yes, I love Haunting of Hill House. Yeah, I think that is genius because it's like, I, I'm always wondering when I see a horror movie. I'm like, this is the most traumatic thing that could ever happen to a person.

• 33:33Speaker 00

  What's next?

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, where is this person in 10 years?

• 33:36Speaker 00

  I know.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Probably pretty fucked up.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  Well, they used to make sequels about it. Like they did like, I don't know, you did not last summer again. So we got to see them.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  They did the, um, did you ever, I actually never saw it, but did you see the sequel to The Shining that they did?

• 33:51Speaker 00

  What?

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Mike Flanagan did it.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was Mike Flanagan. There you go.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Doctor Sleep?

• 33:55Speaker 03

  Doctor Sleep.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  No, I never saw it.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  With the kid from The Shining in it.

• 34:01Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, what's it about?

• 34:03Speaker 03

  It's a.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  Is it good?

• 34:04Speaker 03

  It's another Stephen King book, right?

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  It's just, it's just the sequel to The Shining. When the kid grows up, he goes back to the hotel.

• 34:13Speaker 00

  I definitely didn't watch it. I should see that.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  We should watch that.

• 34:18Speaker 00

  Let me just say though, one thing about COVID, I called it. I, I have texts from January being like, there's a virus in Wuhan, China, China and.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, what?

• 34:28Speaker 00

  From January, there is a virus.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  You're kidding?

• 34:31Speaker 00

  In Wuhan, China, it is a very big problem. I am telling everybody right now that it is going to come for us.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  In Janu- oh, so you had read an article about it or something?

• 34:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, but no one was taking it seriously.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  I thought for a second you were like, I just had a feeling. There was something going on in Wuhan, China.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  Can you imagine?

• 34:52Speaker 03

  That would be awesome.

• 34:53Speaker 00

  Awesome. Yeah, but I, I saw an article about it and Contagion is one of my favorite movies of all time.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Crazy movie, yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  So I know, I'm like, okay, well, a virus in order to become a pandemic has to have a really successful kill to contagion ratio.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  So like you can't die, like you can't, more people can't die from it than can give it to you.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  So like Ebola has a too high of a kill ratio.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  It kills off the host before they can pass it.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  You have amazing skin.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Do I?

• 35:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, like amazing skin. What's your skin routine?

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Stop, that's so nice.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  Sorry, I got tired of talking about COVID.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  That's totally fair. I would so much rather I was talking about my porcelain baby beautiful skin.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  No, your skin's insane. What do you, what do you do to it?

• 35:41Speaker 03

  I don't, well, okay, to be honest, I, I've had pretty, pretty bad skin over the course of my life. I went, I went on Accutane once. No, but this is, but it's not it, Jake, because I, I went on Accutane for like two months and I had to stop because it was like making me, have you ever been on it?

• 35:57Speaker 00

  No.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  It was, it like, it's so terrible for you. It just dries your whole body out. You have to drink gallons and gallons of water. I, I would go to the gym and like run on the treadmill for five minutes and feel like I was about to pass out. I couldn't like do any physical activity. It, it was the worst and I couldn't, and you can't drink, which sucks.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Which is so bad.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  I know, it's so bad. You said something, you said hangovers take you out for a week as well.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get pretty fucked by hangovers.

• 36:27Speaker 00

  Are you Jewish?

• 36:28Speaker 03

  I am a quarter Jewish.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  That's why. It's just, I was talking to Troye Sivan about it.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  You're half Jewish.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  I'm full.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  Full Jewish.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 00

  I'm full. So it takes me out for the whole week. Like Louise and I will have the same exact type of night.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  And she'll be fine the next day and I, the guilt, I don't know what it's, I feel so guilty

• 36:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  for like doing what I did to my body.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  I know what you mean, but it's an interesting thing. Like it really may, I, I've recently started to have the philosophy of like, okay, like it's, the thing of like being a true kid and being like getting drunk for the sake of getting drunk is just like fun, has kind of worn off from it. Like it's a little bit more of a like, I need to like, I need to make sure that I am while drinking, having the most fun night ever.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Agreed.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  The novelty has worn off and now it's like, okay, how can I like, like if you wake up and you've had like an awesome, like I had a night the other night with my friends where we went to, we went to Joy Face or we started at Ray's, that bar Ray's.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  Ray's is great. Nicholas Bronno's Ray's.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Great, great spot. Played a little pool, I think. I can't, I can't remember.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  But, um, we, we went to Joy Face until like three or something and then went to Sing Sing, the karaoke place. Kept going. It was.

• 37:44Speaker 00

  We're going out next week.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  It was an incredible night and then I woke up the next morning and I was like, I want to die. I'm not, I'm not gonna feel good for three days. But it was totally worth it. It was a great time.

• 37:55Speaker 00

  I had a really good time the other night.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  So it's worth it.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  And I had the afters at my place.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Oh, come on, that's the best, you guys. Then everyone has to make their.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  I go to the afters.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:06Speaker 00

  You ever seen the meme that's like, one time I lost my job for the afters? I was like, I believe that. But you know what's something about our generation?

• 38:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Is that actually like, we drink so much less than the previous generation.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've been reading articles about this. I, um, I think it's kind of terrible, honestly, that we don't drink as much.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  I saw a TikTok that was like, what did, like millennia, like, how do we get home before Uber? And all the comments were like, we used to just like, wake up random places.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  If I woke up in a random place, like that one week, that would take me out for like, months.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  I know, I know. We're totally, we've gone soft, man.

• 38:46Speaker 00

  We have to give ourselves a little more edge.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  I totally agree. I think, I think it's like tied in, I mean, at least the thing that I was reading the other day was saying that it's like, really tied in with the like, health movement of like, so much of advertising and the products that are in the world, specifically in LA, but also in New York, like, are about wellness, you know? And the whole thing is like, drinking, of course, it's terrible for you. It's poison. You're poisoning your body. It's terrible.

• 39:15Speaker 00

  It's a Latin word for poison, apparently.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really, it's really bad. But it also like, is, I think, worth poisoning yourself a little bit once a week to like, to, to meet someone new and kiss that girl that you like and like, you know, have the whole.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 39:34Speaker 00

  I've been drinking wine lately, and I was never a wine guy. And I've been going out to dinner and I'm like, you know, a glass of wine sounds nice.

• 39:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, wine's awesome. What's your favorite wine?

• 39:42Speaker 00

  Riesling.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Riesling, that's a white.

• 39:45Speaker 00

  It's a white and it's like sweet. No, it's French. It's really sweet and it's crisp. It tastes like a, tastes like a sour apple.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  I'm not on the sweet, I'm not on the sweet wave for some reason.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  I know because you're an adult.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  No, no, no, it's not. It's because I, it's because my, my family, I have a lot of Italian family and a lot, most of the Italian wine. I mainly drink red wine, but most of the Italian wine is very dry.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  Red wine is great.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 00

  What are you listening to right now?

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Um, what am I listening to right now? I'm listening to, I've been, so I've been writing this movie for a long time that I've been trying to get made. That is, hopefully, after I do my next job, we will make it. But I've been listening to a lot of like, 50s music and like, blues music, because that's what we want to be the soundtrack. But I also, I mean, more relevantly, I feel like, to maybe your audience is.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  I'll tell you who I'm listening to, too.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, you tell me who you're listening to.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Do you listen to Cameron Winter?

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  Okay, so I only, I'm just gonna keep it very real.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, keep it real. Texting you this.

• 40:55Speaker 00

  He, I, I, I know his music is like objectively good. First of all, did you know that Paul Thomas Anderson just did his concert movie?

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Yes, at Carnegie Hall. So cool.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  Crazy. Apparently it's amazing.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Dude, it was so cool. People love Cameron Winter so much that not only did Paul Thomas Anderson shoot it on a IMAX camera, I'm pretty sure. Benny Safdie was pulling focus for him, just so he could be there. Isn't that crazy?

• 41:21Speaker 00

  What does pulling focus mean?

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Like, he was like the guy that was like, or, you know, the AC, the guy with the, doing the focus thing.

• 41:27Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  At least I think. I saw a picture of him doing that. I thought, I don't know.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  But it was good. It was, it was, they just put out the album for it.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  But he has one of those voices that's like, I'm, I feel like I'm never gonna hear another voice like that ever again in my entire life, which is how I feel about Amy Winehouse.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Original. Totally.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  You know?

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. I love those guys. I mean, I, so I went to high school, to the closest high school to.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Cameron.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  To Cameron and all those guys. The drummer, Max Besson, was a, was kind of a friend of mine in high school. I mean, I like, he, he was really good friends with my best friend. And I remember seeing them around at parties and they were always so cool. And I remember, I remember when they chose kind of not to go to college, everyone was like.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Because that's the thing in New York, you can't not go to college. Like, everyone goes to college. In LA, it's like very normal not to go to college.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  No, it was so taboo. I remember, I mean, when I dropped out of college, it was like, everyone thought I was losing it. But it's so funny, like, in retrospect, they're one of the biggest bands in the world now. But they're so, but it's so true. They, they have such a cool.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  Sound.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Sound. And it's really like, original. And like, I love it personally. And even, even if for the people that don't love it, it's like, you got it, you gotta acknowledge how original it is.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  It's so original. And he, did you see the film?

• 42:47Speaker 03

  No, I really want to. It's playing at the movie theater like, two blocks away from my place. I really should go and see it. Yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  Wait for me.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  I'll wait for you.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Wait for me?

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  That, Knicks?

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  And then a night out.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  That sounds.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  Doesn't that sound awesome?

• 43:01Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Oh, you guys, I'm such an intellectual today. I'm so intellectual. But seriously.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  And then we'll see like, an old silent Ukrainian film?

• 43:12Speaker 00

  You know, I'll have to take a hard pass on that one.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  And I'll just like, just talk in French and like, smoke cigarettes.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  Are you, are you not fluent in Italian?

• 43:20Speaker 03

  No, I'm like, I like, sort of am. I'm, I, I speak enough to have conversations, but I'm not.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  So you're Italian?

• 43:28Speaker 03

  I'm like a quarter Italian, a quarter American, and half English.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're British.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  You're obsessed with British culture.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  You are?

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Have you ever seen Skins?

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  Oh my god, I'm watching for the first time.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  Have you ever seen The Inbetweeners?

• 43:40Speaker 00

  No.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Dude, you are missing out. That's, that's the show. That's the English show. It's like, four boys. It's very like, boy humor, but I think you'll love it. It's like, it's like, four boys that go to like, a state school. And one of the, the, the main guy is this guy who like, was just going to a private school and then his mom like, went through a divorce and lost all her money, so he can't afford it anymore. And so he like, shows up and he's like, all these like, poor kids. And he's wearing like, a suit and he's like, looking down on them all, and then becomes friends with these four guys and they're the biggest losers in the whole school.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Oh my god, I wanna watch this show.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  It's so funny.

• 44:17Speaker 00

  Do you like to write a lot?

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, could do.

• 44:20Speaker 00

  What, when did you start writing?

• 44:22Speaker 03

  I started writing, I mean, I, I guess, in, just like you, in, in like, high school, writing essays and stuff. I've like, I, I've started this, like, film criticism journal blog with my production company recently.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  You own a production company?

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Yes, we, it's awesome.

• 44:39Speaker 00

  Good for you.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  I know. I mean, we have like, made no money, so it's not like, some incredible.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  But it's still cool.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Who is this, by the way? I was asking.

• 44:47Speaker 00

  That is a Slim Aarons. I swear it's a Slim Aarons.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  Oh, the photographer you're saying?

• 44:53Speaker 00

  Oh, what, you're asking?

• 44:53Speaker 03

  I'm actually about the driver.

• 44:55Speaker 00

  Oh, I don't fucking know.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, who gives a shit?

• 44:58Speaker 00

  Who gives, you know, I did go to F1 in Monaco though, which, which is where this looks like it is from.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Must be, must be. It was an amazing Monaco. I've never been to Monaco. Was it cool?

• 45:07Speaker 00

  So Monaco is not it.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  I'm just gonna keep it a buck right there.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Monaco is not it.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Like, when Monaco, you, Monaco is Vegas in France.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 00

  So let me, as I, I put it in my Dubai variants.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:19Speaker 00

  There's Vegas, there's Dubai, there's Monaco.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  The fake cities.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  And there's, was it Culver City? And there's Culver City. And they are all the same.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  Culver City here?

• 45:32Speaker 00

  Yes, we would call it a Dubai variant.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Why? I, I just stayed in Culver City recently to, for work.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  City.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  Because it's where all the studios are.

• 45:40Speaker 00

  No, it's just like, have you been to that? What is that little? The platform. Like, what the fuck is that?

• 45:46Speaker 03

  With the stairs that go up and, yeah. I ate in that restaurant. It was so weird.

• 45:49Speaker 00

  It's weird.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  It was really weird.

• 45:50Speaker 00

  It's like Vegas vibes.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  It's very weird. Although I went, there's something kind of interesting. If you walk like, literally a block north of there, there's a, like, a Goodwill and a parking lot. And I, I'm gonna sound so, I don't know, I don't know LA very well, but like, there's something so, like, deeply American feeling about that, these, those, these weird neighborhoods in LA where it's like, there's not really anything there. There's like, a warehouse and like, a store and like.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  It feels sort of like dusty and like, it feels like a, like a, a hopper painting or something of like, the gas station. You know what I mean? Like, very American.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  Who's Hopper?

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Hopper, like, he did like, let me show you. Let me show you this gas station painting I'm talking about.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  I have been more intellectual lately though. I can't lie. I've been like, experiencing stuff.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  This is so, I just, I happened to go to the MoMA the other day with my friend who is far smarter than me, and he was telling me about Hopper. Like, this. Beautiful.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Oh my god, I've never seen that. That's great.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, right?

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Edward Hopper.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  I gotta get into art. Are you into art?

• 46:53Speaker 03

  I'm not really. I wish I were more. I'm like very, I love art like that. The sort of, a lot of the abstract stuff just pisses me off, probably because I'm not smart enough to really like-

• 47:04Speaker 00

  Right, because it's just like, what the fuck is this?

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Understand it, but I'm just like, fucking, I don't know. Like, I love like Picasso and stuff, but like Miro, like the dots, the like dot on a canvas. I'm like, what are you-

• 47:15Speaker 00

  I don't even know what that is.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  It's the same way of like when, like, when Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet, everyone was like, whoa.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Do you believe that he had a ghostwriter?

• 47:26Speaker 03

  I don't know. I'm so the wrong person. We should ask Anya, my acting coach. She would know.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, because apparently the rumor on the Shakespearean street-

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  Is that he had a female ghostwriter.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I've heard this. What's the, what's the evidence? I have no idea.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  There is no evidence. I also, well, actually, I'm sorry. You know what? Are you ever just on autopilot and you just say things?

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, there is no evidence. However, here's the evidence.

• 47:49Speaker 00

  There must be evidence.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:51Speaker 00

  I also, speaking of conspiracy theories, heard that people think Abraham Lincoln was gay. Like, for real, for real gay. Like, had like, male partners that would sleep in his bed.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  That doesn't surprise me.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  At all.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  That doesn't surprise me at all. I think so, I think it feels like it's only in the past few hundred years that being gay has become a taboo. Like, have you ever done like a deep dive on the like ancient Greek gay thing?

• 48:17Speaker 00

  I've heard about it.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  It's so fascinating. There was this, oh my god, you'll love this. There was this, there was this elite, apparently, I was like always a real nerd about, about, well, about ancient history and like ancient military history. And I studied Latin for years and years and years.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  There was this, in Thebes, there was this ancient-

• 48:39Speaker 00

  What's Thebes?

• 48:39Speaker 03

  Thebes was like the third biggest city in ancient Greece, Greece, next to Sparta and Athens.

• 48:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  And they were always fighting with each other. And Thebes had their most elite, the equivalent of like the Navy SEALs today, was fifty pairs of gay lovers who were like, not just like sexual lovers, like I think they like lived together and were like openly in love with each other.

• 49:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  And they would go out onto the battlefield and the whole, and they were insanely trained and everyone, there are like descriptions in like Spartan and Athenian writing of being like, fuck, like we went out to war today and we saw the sacred band and we all shat our pants. You know what I mean? Like, they were terrifying because their bond with each other was so strong and they loved each other so much that like, if one of them got killed, they would just go berserk on like the revenge path. And it was like, they would fight stronger than anyone else to protect the man next to them that they loved.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Wow, that is fascinating.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Isn't that awesome?

• 49:44Speaker 00

  Are you a big history guy?

• 49:45Speaker 03

  I am a, I am. I'm not like, I mean, once again, I have this, my best friend Teddy is like, studied history at St. Andrews and is like a genius and I hang out with him all the time and I always feel like a fucking idiot next to him, but I, yeah, I love, I, I, I studied, Latin was like really my thing that I studied my whole life and the, and that's part of why I lived in Rome because the history there is so amazing and it's so like, it's, it's so incredible how cyclical it is, like, like the way in which the Roman Republic collapsed and turned into an empire, like, is just exactly what's happening right now.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I was about to say. It like fell almost overnight, no?

• 50:29Speaker 03

  It, well, so the thing is like yes and no. In the same way that like Trump was elected-

• 50:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Over, overnight, it was the symptom of a kind of movement towards populism that was like happening in the shadows for years and years and years. You know what I mean?

• 50:47Speaker 00

  How did Rome fall?

• 50:49Speaker 03

  Fuck, man. Oh, man. Don't get me started.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  Because now I'm like, I never thought we'd get here in this room.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  How did Rome, the Republic fall or the Empire?

• 51:01Speaker 00

  What the fuck is the difference?

• 51:02Speaker 03

  The difference is that the Republic was like a democracy, like, like we have.

• 51:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  And then it turned into an empire where Caesar basically like took control and then started passing the crown down to his kids.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  Would you say that Caesar is Trump?

• 51:22Speaker 03

  In, in many ways, yeah, honestly. Like, in, in, in the sense that he basically, that like, republics before that, that, before Caesar had been very much based actually in aristocracy. You know what I mean? Like, it was, it was very much a thing of-

• 51:41Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna keep it a buck?

• 51:46Speaker 00

  I haven't known a lot of the words you've said. I specifically don't know that one.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  It's basically like, it was a group of rich people that were like the sort of senators.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  Oh, like, like, okay.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Aristocrats, like-

• 51:57Speaker 00

  Aristocrats, got it.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, so they, they all kind of controlled things and there was voting, of course, but like, it was kind of inside baseball, like they were the people that controlled everything. And then Caesar basically realized there are way more poor people than there are these rich people. So if I can appeal to them, if I can give them money, if I can like appeal to the masses, then I don't actually anymore need the support of this rich group of people that have been controlling everything for forever.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  But Trump does need their, their support.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  He, he does, but it, but the way that he came into power was by appealing to the masses. Yeah, yeah. And which is funny because of course, like what he does doesn't benefit them at all. And it's all a trick of the eye, but like, yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  Then Caesar was killed, no?

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, then he was killed by the rich people essentially, by Brutus and Cassius and these people that were like very part of the establishment. Sorry, I feel like I'm such a fucking nerd.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  Learning.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Ancient Rome is my ancient Rome.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  That is, you mean that's your Roman Empire?

• 53:09Speaker 03

  That's my Roman Empire, yeah.

• 53:10Speaker 00

  Is ancient Rome.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:11Speaker 00

  And so where did the power go after Rome?

• 53:14Speaker 03

  It kind of got fucked for a while. I mean, it went to the east. The Roman Empire like had a resurrection in, in Constantinople, like in Istanbul, where they had a whole, the Byzantine Empire was, was a continuation of the Roman Empire. But then it was like, it wasn't until like, I don't know, like the, the kind of

• 53:37Speaker 03

  eleven, ten, eleven hundreds, I guess, I think, that, that like the countries started emerging, yeah, like France and Spain.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  The only history that I can, that I, I, I do, I do like history to an extent, and I actually did just watch a movie that Parker Posey was in. Have you heard of Wild Horse Nine?

• 53:55Speaker 03

  Yes, the new one.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  It's really good.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  That's fucking awesome. I've heard the cool, because that, because Rockwell was like doing, or prepping that, right? When we were doing-

• 54:04Speaker 00

  Oh my god, yeah, yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  And they were talking about it all the time.

• 54:08Speaker 00

  He's the one that gave that, that really intense monologue, right?

• 54:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  That, your season had some slam or monologues.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Wait, but how was Wild Horse Nine? I'm dying to see it.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  It was amazing.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  It was amazing.

• 54:20Speaker 00

  It was amazing and it was-

• 54:22Speaker 03

  John Malkovich is in it.

• 54:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's, I think he could go all the way with it.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  You think?

• 54:26Speaker 00

  Like, he's really-

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Ringing the gold?

• 54:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think he could.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  Oh, shit.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  I, I like really, like, he was that good.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Like, I felt that shit.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Oh my god, I can't wait to see it.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  I, I don't know enough about like the Chilean coup, but I knew is that the US, they had a major hand in like

• 54:46Speaker 00

  dismantling like regimes around the world that like-

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  They, like, they thought didn't suit their purpose.

• 54:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  And so basically the movie is about him like reconciling with the fact that he was a major player in a lot of these regimes that went down. And then so the Chilean coup is kind of his like last hurrah, in a sense. And he's like, there's two students from Chile that are there that love the current administration. Oh my god, it's so good.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  That sounds amazing.

• 55:19Speaker 00

  It's so fucking good.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  There have been so many, I mean, did you see, uh, The Secret Agent?

• 55:24Speaker 00

  I did, I did see The Secret Agent.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  I mean, there's so much, it's so clear that-

• 55:29Speaker 00

  How cool was that last scene? How about that last scene?

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  So cool. Oh, have you seen Digger?

• 55:34Speaker 00

  No.

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  I love it.

• 55:36Speaker 00

  Okay, what, what is it?

• 55:38Speaker 03

  It's like, I don't, I don't want to spoil it, but it's like basically, it, it's a lot like that movie Don't Look Up. Do you remember that movie?

• 55:47Speaker 00

  Fucking loved that movie.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  I loved that movie too, but, but I do have to say, I think when that movie came out, at least what I remember the discourse being about it was like, it's a little too soon. And like, for that kind of sweeping political takedown, this feels like the perfect time. And it's a very similar thing of like, climate catastrophe, the people in power doing nothing to stop it and, and being completely unashamed about doing nothing to stop it. And like, where does that leave us? And what's, and what, and Tom Cruise plays this guy who's like an oil, an oil man who like, is basically single-handedly responsible for what will be the destruction of the world. And he just doesn't give a shit. And it's kind of-

• 56:30Speaker 00

  And he's good, he's good in that?

• 56:31Speaker 03

  He's amazing in it. He's like my favorite, he's one of my favorite actors of all time.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  Really? What else is he in that you love?

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  Like, he, what I love so much about Tom Cruise is that he has been in every kind of movie. Like, he, so he did Digger. It, it is a totally new genre. I mean, that, that isn't a genre. It doesn't even exist as a genre. That's a totally new thing. He was in all the Mission Impossible movies. He did all the action stuff.

• 56:58Speaker 00

  Never saw a Mission Impossible movie.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  You have to. You have to see the third one because Philip Seymour Hoffman is the villain and he's unbelievable in it.

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Wow.

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  He was in Tropic Thunder.

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  Never seen.

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  Which he's hilarious and he plays a movie producer that's like a total, like he's, it's out and out comedy. Like, you would fucking love that movie. But then also like Risky Business.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  Right.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  Jerry Maguire, The Color of Money, um, what's it called? A Few Good Men, is that it? Yeah, yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  What else?

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  Eyes Wide Shut.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  Eyes Wide Shut.

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  I did see him in Eyes Wide Shut.

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  Minority Report. Like, he, he's just done every kind of movie and he's been incredible in every one of them. You know what I mean?

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Would you rather be a part of a movie like Digger that is like so polarizing and that people either fucking hate it or fucking love it?

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Or would you rather be a part of a movie that are people are like, that's a good movie?

• 57:56Speaker 03

  Definitely the form, the first one.

• 57:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  The digger type. When you take a big fucking swing at something, it's so cool and respectable. And like, whenever I see a movie that is like that, that either everyone loves or everyone hates, I always kind of wind up loving it, even just for the sake of just being like, how ballsy in this time when everything is so data-driven and about IP and like hedging your bets on success by trying to make everything just like the most recent thing that's been successful.

• 58:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  To make something that's like truly original and just fucking go for it is, will always garner my complete respect. Do you know what I mean?

• 58:37Speaker 00

  Dude, is there another movie that you can think of that has done that for you?

• 58:41Speaker 03

  What were the movies that people didn't like last year? I can't remember. Like-

• 58:45Speaker 04

  Eddington.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Eddington, I thought was great.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  A lot of people were half and were split on Enora.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Enora, I loved.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  I fucking loved Enora.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  Fucking love Enora. There's, but it's because it's original. You know what I mean? It's like that's, you've never seen a movie about a, like-

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  A stripper dating a Russian oligarch.

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  Stripper in Coney Island dating a Russian oligarch.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  It's awesome.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  It's awesome.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  I, yeah, I always just feel, I, I, I'm trying to think of if there are other new ones. But like, yeah, people, it's always the people that are like pushing, pushing boundaries always deserve at least respect, even if you don't fuck with what the thing is. You know what I mean? Even like, like Cam, like Cameron Winter, you know what I mean? Like Geese, people like, lots of people don't like Geese. Lots of people are like, oh, it's, I don't like the way it sounds.

• 59:33Speaker 00

  But you can't deny that it sounds like nothing else.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  It sounds like nothing else, which is awesome.

• 59:38Speaker 00

  Because I was listening to the live album and I was like, oh my God, I really, he, there is no one I've heard that sounds like him.

• 59:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. No one.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  No one.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  No one.

• 59:49Speaker 00

  And the only other time I've ever felt that way, or I, I've seen people feel that way is with Amy Winehouse.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  The first sort of rebellious thing I did was when I was like 15 or something. I kind of like snuck out and went to go see Chance the Rapper at Forest Hills.

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  When he was like so on top.

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  Coloring book had just come out.

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  What happened?

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  Picture, honestly, let me try and find it.

• 1:00:16Speaker 00

  What the fuck happened?

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  What happened to him?

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  Because they, he was so good.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Look at this. This is me and my friend Elsie in just a sea of people at the Chance the Rapper concert when I was 15.

• 1:00:30Speaker 00

  Two of your books in?

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:00:32Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  I need to see more live music. I really like-

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  I know. That's what I've been saying too. It's, it's so worth it.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  It's so worth it.

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  I think I'm gonna do Glastonbury.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Yes, dude. I did Glastonbury last year and it was fucking awesome.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  Did you see the 1975?

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  I did not. I saw, I saw Olivia.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Oh, how was that? I heard she shut it the fuck down.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  She was unbelievable. She shut it down. There was, there, there was like half a million people. There were something crazy like that. Definitely hundreds of thousands of people. It was insane. I saw Rod Stewart, which was so cool. It was really cool.

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  That 1975 set, I will say, made me a 1975 fan.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Like I had liked them before. I'd seen them live and I'd been a fan, but that set, I remember seeing videos of them.

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  More of them.

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  They're so good.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 00

  And like, there's so many songs that like you, I just have never heard, like-

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  When I was at that show, I bumped into literally in the sea of people, like not in some like fancy back room, like in the, in the, in the, in a field. I bumped into Amy Lou Wood at-

• 1:01:35Speaker 00

  Oh, that's so funny.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  Glastonbury. It was really weird. And she was like getting swept by a sort of mob of people and she was, and she goes, it was the most like ethereal, cool thing I've ever heard anyone say. She goes, "Meet me by the big tree." And then like faded into this group of people. And I was like-

• 1:01:51Speaker 00

  She's so everything.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  What the fuck? What's the big tree? And then I turn around and there's this huge fucking tree. And I was like, it must be that. And I like go to the thing and she's at the big tree.

• 1:02:01Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  Okay, I guess we'll skip therapists today, unless there is something that you're like angry about that you want to talk about.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  But you seem like a pretty, you seem in good spirits.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Pretty content.

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  Is there anything that's making you angry?

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  The one, the one thing, I'm actually curious what your take is on this. We can do it quick, but the one thing that's been pissing me off is the lines in New York.

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  The lines? What is, is there a line epidemic?

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  There is a line epidemic.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  If I try to get frozen yogurt, which I have multiple times, why is the line so long?

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  I don't, I, is yogurt that good? Like, I'm, I'm really-

• 1:02:38Speaker 00

  Let me tell you, some of the places are not.

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  That's what I'm saying. It's really weird. And I, the thing that, that makes me confused about it is I'm like, like tourists coming to New York is awesome. Like they, they feel the economy, they're, they love the city. Like there's no, some people in New York hate tourists. I'm always like, it's great. Like they're, like, we all love the city that we're from. Other people should be able to enjoy it. But like, if I'm a tourist, I'm in New York for a weekend. Let's say I'm there for two days. Do I want to spend six hours of my waking day standing on Bowery waiting?

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  I don't wait in lines, by the way. I refuse.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  Okay. So these are the tell me what's wrongs. Okay. I think I just learned I have misophonia. It means I'm incredibly, I know it. It means you know what misophonia means.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Like the soup?

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  What? You know what misophonia means? It's like, you're very-

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  What about, about like chewing?

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  It was like, it's chewing. Like you get very sensitive to sounds. Yeah. It literally sends me into fight or flight because it pisses me off so much when people chew with their mouths open, slurp, talk too loud, et cetera. Now knowing this is a thing, I'm really aware of it and it's so much worse. It makes me irritated to be around people and I don't want to be that way. Is it like so rude to tell people to shut the fuck up when I'm triggered by it? I'm like willing to lose friendship, friendships over it.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  So it is rude, actually. And the reason I'll tell you it's rude is because I, your problems, making them other people's problems is rude. So like when I'm out at dinner, I get very claustrophobic. Like I know the reason I can only sit for like 50 minutes. It's because I'm claustrophobic.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  But that's still rude. Like two things can exist at the same time.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  I think, I think there's like a big thing with our generation about like self-care.

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  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  That can sometimes bleed into just like-

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  Selfishness.

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  Selfishness and like narcissism where it's like, yeah, of course you should look after yourself, but like, it's not, yeah, you, you, you can't, not everything revolves around you and like being forced to do things you don't want to do or listen to things you don't want to listen to builds character and like makes it so that you can be a person in the world. And, and I get it. It's fucking annoying to have someone chewing in your ear. It sucks. And you, and if they're a close friend of yours, then you can be like, yo, shut the fuck up.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like, you, sometimes there are things in life that you just ha, life is not fair.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  Life is not fair.

• 1:04:54Speaker 00

  It is not fair.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  You gotta just shut up and listen to-

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  So sometimes you just have to listen to someone chew.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Speaker 00

  "I give my full attention to each of my friends and never want anyone to feel invalidated, even if they are truly in the wrong." I feel that. I'll flip it and make them feel valid in whatever is wrong and help them get through it. But I never receive any of the friendship I give. No matter how many times I speak about, speak up about it. Oh, so they've said something. Nothing changes, but they have been my best friends since I was little. "I need advice on how to stop giving a hundred percent when I never get the same. You need new friends."

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Really? Okay. I, I have a take on this. I don't know if you'll agree with. I think actually the solution is to give less.

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  Yeah.

• 1:05:36Speaker 03

  Because I think that you, I think that first of all, it's actually not, like, because the start of that said that like when, even when I feel, think my friend's wrong about something, I'll tell them they're right or whatever. That's not good. Like a really good friendship is like you hold each other accountable and make each other better people.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Don't you think?

• 1:05:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. With me, what I tell my friends sometimes is like, I will have your back.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Of course.

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  Even if you're wrong.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Of course.

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  But know that you are wrong.

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  Of, that's exactly right.

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  Know that you are wrong, but I will have your back.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  But it depends. If the, if the, if the person's friends are like, if, if, if you're going through something and your friends are not there for you, then yeah, then you, then find new friends.

• 1:06:15Speaker 00

  Find new friends and give less and see what happens. "My roommate is a super judgy and negative person, but she stays in our common area all day, like 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. And anytime I go to get food, she starts a convo that's miserable to get through. So I feel like I'm stuck in my room anytime I'm home. What do I do?"

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Wait, what was the first sentence of that? My roommate is-

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  Her roommate just sucks. And she's like, I can't leave my room because I can't deal with her. You just need to start.

• 1:06:41Speaker 00

  So I know we just said not to be selfish, but in this case, you actually just need to just be like, I can't right now.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Well, because she's not your friend. She's your roommate.

• 1:06:47Speaker 00

  Right. And you just need to be like, I can't right now. And that's awkward. And sometimes you have to sit through the awkwardness.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  But you need to say that sooner rather than later.

• 1:06:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Because the, the later you leave it, the more you become normal friends. And then it's like, then if you say something, then it's like, fuck you. Yeah.

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  "My dog is so mean to everyone we invite over and now people have stopped coming over."

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  She'll literally attack whoever walks through the front door, causing them to drop and break shit. Just be generally pissed off, et cetera. She's never bitten a guest. So that's good. But we've like tried training her and she's a little better, but everyone is still scared to come over. And that's just life. I know so many friends that have had dogs like that. And it's kind of just like you, it's almost the charm of coming over.

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 00

  That dog, that, that dog is going to be insane and you're gonna know that.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  It depends on how your friends are reacting to it. It also depends on who you're having over. If you, if you're the kind of person, I mean, what if you, what if you have a, have someone over that you maybe want to kiss?

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  Bang, yeah.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Or bang?

• 1:07:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  And then your dog's like bumping them and shit.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  Isn't that kind of charming though? It's like funny.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Maybe it is.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  It's like, oh my God, remember when my dog wouldn't shut the fuck up?

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  You're part of it now.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  Oh my God, right? It reminds me of the dogs in Bastin Show with Parker Posey.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, honestly. I think it's fine. I think it's charming.

• 1:08:05Speaker 00

  It's charming. Well, Sam, what did we learn today?

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  What did we learn?

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  Actually so much, by the way.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  We learned about the Roman Empire, which I hope you cut because fucking what am I talking about?

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  Wait, no.

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 1:08:18Speaker 00

  We learned that Caesar is like Trump.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  We learned that Caesar's like Trump. We learned about Cameron Winter.

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  We learned that phony is out.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  We learned that phony is out.

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  On October 20th, the first two episodes.

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  And you should all watch it because it is really good, actually. I'm really proud of it.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Really fucking good. You should be proud.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  A genius. Connie is a genius.

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  Well, Sam, I love you.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  I love you, Jake. Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  Thanks for coming on. This was so fun. We have a Knicks game to go to.

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  We have B, B C.

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  B C.

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  B C to go to.

• 1:08:49Speaker 00

  And we have to go see the Cameron Winter movie.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  And we have to go see the Cameron Winter movie. We've got a great night.

• 1:08:52Speaker 00

  We have a great lineup.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  Bye pussies. Love you.