Session 152: Parker Posey

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• 0:42Speaker 01

  Tonight on Therapists, we have the queen of the indies, the queen of White Lotus, the queen of comedy, the queen of everything. We have Parker Posey on the show tonight. I have adored Parker Posey for so long. She's just the best. She's the best. If you don't know her, which I would be shocked. She was the star of season three of White Lotus. She was the queen of the indies in the 90s. She was in incredible movies. She's in the upcoming film Wild Horse 9, which I got to see. And this movie, I was so fucking excited to see, and it was unbelievable. If you get the chance to see it, please see it. It also stars John Malkovich and Sam Rockwell, who was in White Lotus with her.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  She was also in incredible movies like Best in Show, Waiting for Guffman, like these incredible, incredible, incredible mockumentaries. Although she will tell you that Christopher Guest does not like to call them mockumentaries because they were such improv, they were so improv-heavy. Like, they were such real, true improv, and she was so incredible in them. She was in Dazed and Confused, she was in Party Girl. She is just a force of nature, and I am so excited for you guys to learn more about her if you don't already. She is also the host of the new Hulu reality show, The Mob. And if you know Parker Posey, you know that she's just gonna be incredible at it because she's incredible at everything she does. And I'm so lucky that I got to talk to her, so please enjoy the episode. I love you pussies.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  When I told my mom you were coming on, she said, "Oh, my God. You have to tell her that one time she pet our dog Rupert."

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I love this. Come on!

• 2:21Speaker 01

  Outside of Noah's Bagels on Main Street in the late 1990s.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  You're kidding?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  You're kidding? Now, Main Street is here in LA.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was freaking out.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I love that. It's time for me to get another dog. Do you have a dog?

• 2:35Speaker 01

  I don't, but my parents just got a new one.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  What kind?

• 2:40Speaker 01

  I think it's a poodle. I think they're poodle people.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yay, I'm a poodle person.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Was Gracie a poodle?

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Bichon Poodle Maltese.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  I'm a poodle person.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I took a, I've been taking pictures of, I take pictures of poodles, and my friends send me pictures of poodles that they take because it's time for me to give, you know, to have another dog. To birth to another. That love, the oxytocin that dogs like-

• 3:04Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  -create, it's the best. But I can, I can look at a picture and it can make me happy. But I saw a dog in a stroller when I was in New Orleans last week, and she was full-on gray with like a little cataract, and I took a picture of her and-

• 3:20Speaker 01

  My parents put their dog in the stroller sometimes.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  They do? How old is she?

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like two. He's like two, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know why they do it. I think my mom's scared he'll run away.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Really?

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Is it like a little one?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  His name's Barney, he's like two, he's like this big, and I don't know. I'm like, Mom, like, when we go out to dinner, she'll like bring the stroller, and I'm like, Mom, Barney does not need a stroller. So I'm like, Mom, like, why? I can't, I'm embarrassed.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  I love that, though, that she's, I mean, she's, she's loving Bernie. Barney?

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, Barney.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Barney, like she wants to love Barney.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 3:56Speaker 01

  I know. I did a re-watch of all your incredible movies this weekend. Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show, Party Girl, Dazed and Confused. Do you remember your order from Party Girl?

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  The what, it was falafel?

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like a falafel with hot sauce and a side of baba ganoush and a seltzer. I still love a seltzer.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  I love a seltzer. Did you have so much fun filming that movie?

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, yeah. I loved it.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  You filmed it in like 19 days, right?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe 20, maybe 22. Day Trippers was a 19-day shoot.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Uh-huh, that's my mom's favorite movie.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, it's so good.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  So is your mom kind of like Anne Mira?

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's obsessed with Anne Mira. She was like, "Please ask her about working with Anne Mira."

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Anne was the best. She was so funny. She made me laugh at everything that she did. I would just like laugh at her, and she goes, "Don't laugh at me." And she got really angry and made me laugh even harder.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  How did you not laugh during all those Christopher Guest movies?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, well, Chris is a very sober person, you know?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  He has a level of like, you want to be truthful to the person that you're playing and not play the joke. So it's, you have to commit to the scene and then just take it very seriously. That was the thing like with Waiting for Guffman. I got to, when I was in drama school, I didn't, I didn't like, I like memorizing my lines, but I didn't like to rehearse. And then I liked just to be in the moment with someone else, to forget, you know? And that's kind of what those, those movies are like. So there's an outline of the scene, and then you sit down. And when you sit down, the scene comes to life.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  So there's no rehearsal, there's no like, "It would be really funny if you did this," or, "Or try that with the dialogue." So there's no dialogue. And so it's a really liberating way to work. And you shoot the master, and then he'd come in for close-ups. Maybe he'd give a little suggestion of something, like with Hamilton, you know, when he says the Starbucks line, maybe you say, "He thought that was really sexy, the coffee order that he did." Okay, that he ordered.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  An espresso.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, an espresso. And it's such a peaceful way of working, and I love it. I love it. He can really set, he really set the stage, and I really like that way of working, of trusting the other actors like that.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  It was all, so it was mainly improv?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  It's all improvised. It's unscripted. So when they call it mockumentary, Chris didn't really like that because you're not mocking a documentary, it's, it's an unscripted movie. So essentially, the actors are kind of writing a bio, right? And then it gets released, and when you bring the scene to life. So you're, it's all, you're sponging what your character is, and then you're in, you're just playing the scene.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  I'm just like laughing, thinking about now, when you're looking for the toy, and you have to go to all, that was all improv?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  I was really nervous to leave Hamilton at the dog show.

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  Yeah.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  And find the busy bee.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  And, because we were always working together, so when I went to the pet shop for that scene, Chris could tell something was kind of off. He was like, "Are you okay?" And I was like, "Yeah, I just don't know what I'm, but what am I doing?" You know? He said, "Well, remember Waiting for Guffman? You go in and you, you know, the scene comes to life." And you, I was like, "Oh, okay." And then I entered into the scene, but like afterwards, I was like, "Oh, my God, I was, I was in the scene." I was nervous-

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  -of, you know, what was happening from being, you know, yelled at by Hamilton. So it's like this, it's just so, there's a lot of trust and openness. And so it's really fun doing those movies. And yeah, laughing at people, just, oh, my God, Fred Willard and Catherine, and that, that way of working, it was like-

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Oh, what was it like working with Catherine O'Hara?

• 8:31Speaker 02

  I'm gonna start crying.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sorry.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  There's so much lightness to these people, and it's just really beautiful. And they're so talented, like, well, we, during Best in Show, when we did, we did A Mighty Wind after that, and everyone, everyone was singing in the, in the dog show in the arena that we were filming at. Everyone's harmonizing and singing, and I think that's where Chris got the idea for Mighty Wind. And it was, it's really like a troupe that I was a part of, you know? And just such a beautiful way of working because you, you absorb as much as you can, you're gleaning all this information about this, this person.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  Like during Best in Show, it was called Dogland because everyone was having dogs and not babies. And that's what Chris kind of noticed, like, "Oh, wow, your generation is, is having dogs."

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  So it's, you kind of look at the culture, you look at people, and you get to bring things. It's, it's a really creative process. I loved working with them. And then Party Girl was-

• 9:46Speaker 02

  That was so much fun to be in New York City during that time.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Do you feel like it was reflective of what New York City was really like?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Because it was so free back then.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  You know, like, open and you could, you could afford to be an actor and do plays and like I did a soap.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did a soap.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  You dropped out of college three weeks before.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  And I was just so happy to be in New York City with all the, the great people in New York and um, yeah, it was a special time.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  And the, and the wardrobe for Party Girl.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, the wardrobe was great. Michael Clancy was the costume designer and um, I mean, I borrowed clothes from people. He came to my closet and he used some of my clothes and um, it was just really creative, right?

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Vicky Bartlett, like some of these, some of these stylists are still working today. It was, and it was fun. Like we'd call on the phone and ask to borrow something and the whole, it seemed like New York wanted, was a part of making the movies too, or in, in LA. You know, people just wanted to collaborate, you know, um, and be generous and, you know, when you don't have a lot of money, you have to ask for favors. There's just a certain energy that happens out of that.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  You did a lot of Indies. You were queen of the Indies in the 1990s.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  That's right. I remember shortly after that coming to LA for movies and I met this producer Stuart Kornfeld, who used to work with Ben Stiller. I think he's, he's not with us anymore. But he told me about Frank Zappa and just started talking about punks and music and, and he said something like, you know, it's, it's when the, the arts in America easily become commodified. So it was like, once the commodification started and the Indies were taken over by the business, then that kind of spirit and that way of working just like dissipated. So it was a co-opting of, you know, um, it seemed like people who

• 12:03Speaker 02

  weren't real filmmakers, thought they could like direct or produce, you know? It started to get this kind of ego about it.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Where I think in the seventies and in the nineties, where producers were supporting um, the filmmaker and their vision, like, you know, when it started to make a lot of money, when these little movies started to make money, then it became, it turned into something else.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  And then genre happened. Then there are all these genre movies. So that's kind of where we're at now. It's like, you know, the superhero movies and the,

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  the horror movies, horror. So now we have these auteurs that are entering into their movie making and their vision through genre. So that's cool.

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• 13:59Speaker 02

  You know, I feel like I should sing to you.

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  Can you?

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you, do you want me to sing? What do you want me to sing?

• 14:06Speaker 01

  Well, I just watched Wild Horse 9.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Sing a song. Sing out loud. Sing out strong. Sing of good things, not bad.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Sing of happy, not sad.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Now you're supposed to fall asleep.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Make it simple to last your whole lifelong. Don't worry if it's not good enough for anyone else to hear. Just sing. Sing a song.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  La la la la la, la la la la la.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Uh, when John Malkovich is singing, we don't want to, we don't want to give away too much. Didn't you love Wild Horse 9? Come on.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Dude, I love it. It was when they were playing both sides now in the car and you could just feel that he was like thinking about his whole life while listening to that song as it was like softly playing, like, oh my God, that movie, you were so fantastic. Everyone was so fantastic and like, the, oh.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  I know. It's so beautiful, isn't it?

• 15:47Speaker 01

  It's amazing and like, congratulations.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Like, it is one of the best movies I've seen this year. Like, it is really so amazing.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  I know.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  It is awesome. And um,

• 15:58Speaker 02

  I got to go to Easter Island and film there, you know?

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Oh, I was going to ask that. Did you film?

• 16:01Speaker 02

  I was on the other side of Sam's phone calls, because,

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  so I got to see those horses. Got to be around these animals who have been free their whole existence. So you go from one place, you know, driving to set and you're just in, you're in the furthest place, the furthest place in the world. And the stars are so much brighter and the, and the animals, the way they are looking at you, like it's um, it's such a beautiful place. Has such a beautiful um, spirit to it, energy.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  And the heads and the, the moai.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  And just like, what is going on?

• 16:49Speaker 01

  It was just, I thought the movie was so, I mean, not to give anything away, but,

• 16:53Speaker 02

  No, that's, I know. I want to talk about the movie, but I don't want to give anything away.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  But it was just like a re, it was like real, it felt like I was like real life. You know, it's very rare that you,

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Because of the writing.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  And so Martin spent like 10 years writing this. And I just happened to slide in at the, at the end and be right for the part. Do you know what I mean? Like it started, I think they were brothers and, you know, it didn't, it wasn't always the CIA agents. And so I felt really, really lucky. I've been very lucky. So did White Lotus, just being able to be in Thailand and get all that body work and get all that healing done.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Is it true that Mike White, he said at Jennifer Coolidge's party, I'm a fan of you, and you said, so then write me something?

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Because we would see each other and he's like, God, I want to work with you. Write me something.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  And did you also do that to Steven Spielberg?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right. No, I saw um, Steven Spielberg in the parking lot at Gelson's. And um, he was driving in a convertible with his daughter. He's like, hey, big fans. And I was like, give me a job, man.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  What was it like from, from filming Indies to filming like studio productions, like Scream?

• 18:13Speaker 02

  I loved Wes Craven. He was such a kind, smart man.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  I was scared to do Scream 3. I didn't want to be scared. I like being scared.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  It was like, we had this great conversation about why horror was so popular and catharsis and people screaming and needing to be in a theater to, you know. And I loved the first Scream.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  I saw it in Chelsea and I'm like, I get it. I just, uh, anyway, he appeased my fear and, um, the craft service on that, I mean, we ate so well. And, um, you know, Courtney Cox and David Arquette, they were dating then. And we shot in, um, the writer of Grease 2, I think the director of Grease or something in their house. That's where my character lived. So we were in these amazing locations and, uh, that was where, down that hill was where Courtney and I get in a fight.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  And, um, I was like, I know she's gonna really punch me. And she barely, like, she did, like, kind of brush my chin. And, um, yeah, it was really, really funny. I mean, she didn't like her, I mean, obviously.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  But when we did some looping for that, after, um, you know, after you finished shooting, you go in and do some sound work. Um, I said, I can't stop rolling down this hill.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  I watched all the Scream movies, like, when I was, like, seventeen. That's when I did all of them.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  How many of them?

• 19:54Speaker 01

  There's seven now.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  There's seven now. And I think I watched one through five or six at the time.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  And you enjoyed them?

• 20:04Speaker 01

  I love scary movies.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  I love scary movies. I love, like, I know what you did last summer. Like, I love Insidious. I love Obsession. Like, I love, like...

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Wasn't Obsession great?

• 20:15Speaker 01

  It was so good. It was, it was, it was fun. It was fun. Scary movies are the best when you... Well, it's funny watching a scary movie as a kid versus, um, when I'm in my twenties now, because I'm like, oh, horror has this, there's always, there's always a deeper story they're telling in horror that I didn't know. I just took it at a surface level when I was a kid.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  But there's always that, like, deeper, deeper story that they're telling.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Which I learned in college.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Did you, um, did you study film in college?

• 20:44Speaker 01

  I took a few film classes.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  So that's...

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Are you a Stanley Kubrick fan?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  I've seen The Shining.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Well, that's one of the scariest movies.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Ever. Do you like The Shining?

• 20:53Speaker 01

  I love The Shining.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  That's one of your favorite movies? Or do you like, did you like The Exorcist?

• 20:59Speaker 01

  I never saw The Exorcist, but I saw Rosemary's Baby.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Didn't Stanley Kubrick also do Eyes Wide Shut? Yeah, I've seen Eyes Wide Shut. I've seen Eyes Wide Shut and I've seen The Shining. I love The Shining.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  That typing, all work and no play makes Jock a dope. I mean, it's terrifying.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  I mean, when they see him in the photo, I remember being very, very scared.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  And I was young at the time and I remember being terrified.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. I watched that movie whenever, yeah, it was on. I was just compelled to watch that, that movie, The Shining.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Um, even though it scared me. But I don't watch, like, the scary movies like your generation watches. I'm, like, not dying to, to watch them. But I want to, I like being in them.

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• 22:48Speaker 01

  Are you, what are some of your favorite movies of all time?

• 22:50Speaker 02

  You know what I'm doing? I'm doing this, um, for the Criterion Collection.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  I'm doing a little closet, um, closet, in the closet interview, um, of some of the movies. And one of them, I started watching again, uh, Sixteen Days of Glory. And it's about the nineteen eighty-four Olympics in, uh, in LA. And by Bud Greenspan. And he made all these sports, um, documentaries. And you get to just go back to that time and, and see what it was, what LA was like. This was the first, um, and he, you can get the backstories of some of the athletes. I don't know how he did it.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  But the focus is not just on the winners, but also the people around and the stories. I love to, they're wonderful.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  All his Olympics movies that he's done. Um, and then I think, um, Abigail's Party, this Mike Lee film that I love, that I watched in my twenties. Mike Lee, Ken Loach, um, is kind of, like, how Martin writes, like, like, it's really happening. You really, you think that it's, it's real. You know, the writing is like...

• 24:08Speaker 01

  It's just so grounded.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  It's so grounded.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Like in Wild Horse Nine, I was like, he should, it was so, like, put plainly in that opening scene where he's on video and he's like, a lot of regrets. You know, a lot of, a lot of mistakes, a lot of, like, you know, just looking back at life. So then when you hear, like, the soundtrack play throughout and you watch him, how he behaves throughout, how he talks to those two students, like, it's just so good.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  I know. I got to, um, listen to them. It was like rehearsing a play. Um, we did a read-through at the public and heard it and, uh, read aloud and, and Martin was like, John, I just, if you could, if you could, like, get a little hotter, make this a little hot on this part, like, and when he turns that anger, when he gets angry and that passion that comes through him and he's like that, there's, it's so...

• 25:08Speaker 01

  And it happens like this.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like, um, and I, when I, when I met him, I was like, I have to get this out of the way. I saw you on stage in nineteen eighty-eight in Burn This, this Land Frustration play. And, um, I said, I could see the dirt under your fingernails and you had this, like, bobbed haircut and you were, like, swinging your hair around. And I said, it was just, you were so magnetic. It was so amazing to watch. You know, your hair. And he goes, I made that wig.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  He made his own wig?

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  I'd make a wig too. Do you sew or anything?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  No, but I've been told I'd like it. Do you sew?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Me too. I needlepoint.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  My best friend needlepoints.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she loves it. She has a, she wears a necklace with it.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Around the house and she'll just go like this all day.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Are they, are they big?

• 26:02Speaker 01

  No, they're like little squares.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  But she's a very big fan of you, so she'll be very excited that we're high grad.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Oh. Did you feel like you were, felt like what the seventies were like by watching Wild Horse Nine?

• 26:16Speaker 01

  I did. And I've also been listening to a lot of seventies music lately. Like, I've been listening to a lot of Beach Boys. I've been listening to a lot of, like...

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Pet Sounds?

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Pet Sounds?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  God.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  It's like one of my favorite albums of all time. That movie Love and Mercy really put me on to it. Have you seen Love and Mercy? Okay, so it's the, it's the biopic with, um, Paul Dano and John Cusack and Elizabeth Banks. And it's about, um, Brian Wilson as he's making Pet Sounds. And I was, like, in this big music biopic phase and it just put me on to Pet Sounds. And my dad was like, you've never heard Pet Sounds? It's the best album of all time. And so what really got me into Pet Sounds is when I heard that Paul McCartney heard God Only Knows and it, like, freaked him out so much that he made, um, Sergeant Pepper.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  And, yeah, I love that album.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  What's your favorite song off of it?

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Me too. I was just, um, his, there's a, um, CD set. I remember I had, when we had CDs. And one of the CDs was just the instrumentals and then one was just the voices.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Have you heard the ones, just the voices?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  I can't even imagine.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Will bring you to your knees. I guess I just wasn't made for these times.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Just like his, I guess, I mean, you're just like, his voice is such an instrument and it feels like what he's singing about and what he's writing, it's just divine.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  It's timeless.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  It's timeless.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  I was listening to, um, That's Not Me, or on, on the way to the airport.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  How does that go again?

• 27:48Speaker 01

  I tried to, and then I would do it alone now, but that's not me. And I was alone on my way to the airport and I was like, I really can't do things alone. And it's just not me. And I was like, wow, I feel really seen by this.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Don't talk.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  And then the, what else is it? Well, God Only Knows is my favorite. That's like the best pop song of all time, in my opinion.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's such a beautiful song. God only knows what I'd be without you.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I know. It's like the most beautiful love song of all time.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Uh, you have to get the vocal only and listen to him in the recording sound booth when he was doing that.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  I mean, but what...

• 28:36Speaker 02

  It's so beautiful.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I, because we're watching that movie and watching Brian Wilson or Paul Dano play Brian Wilson, like, create these sounds that he was, because he was, I think he was schizophrenic. He was hearing these sounds in his head and he would just, like, he, he, like, saw music.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  And so to, like, watch that, and Paul Dano did such a great job.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Oh, you would love it. It is so good. It is so, so, so good. And, um, I just had no idea that Brian Wilson's life was so tragic. It was so, so tragic. It was...

• 29:13Speaker 02

  We grew up listening to music in our homes, right? As a child of the seventies. My parents had speakers in every room and you'd put on, I was putting on records on the record player at the age of five, you know.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Do you remember the first record you owned?

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Um, no, but, I mean, I love Jesus Christ Superstar and, um, Bob Dylan. I had a lot of Bob Dylan in the house and Joan Baez and, um...

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Joni Mitchell.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Joni Mitchell.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Um, I love Joni Mitchell.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  So there's not a lot of, your generation didn't have like this musi- like we just had the same music.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  For the, you know, on the radio. There's so much more now than people have their headphones.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  I know.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  So, we don't get that.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  It's a little more isolating.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  It's a little more isolating.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Do you dance at all?

• 30:08Speaker 01

  I love to dance. It's my favorite thing in the world. I'm seeing The Strokes Friday, which is one of my favorite bands of all time.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  And I just can't wait to dance.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  That's gonna be so fun.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  You know what you just made me realize is, you've been in a few movies that have, you portrayed the seventies. You did it in Days and Confused.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  And then you did it in Wild Horse Nine.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  So what was different, I mean, of course, very different movies, very different times, but what felt different about playing in the seventies in both of those movies to you?

• 30:42Speaker 02

  I was, thought of this documentary series that was on PBS called The Loud Family, or An American Family, it was one of the first reality shows.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  And I watched that, series, you can watch it on YouTube.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  It chronicles a family that's getting divorced. She's leaving her husband and she's got like four kids. It was one of the first gay, young gay guys that anyone saw on television. And then they got divorced and then in the eighties, we follow Pat Loud. And I'm forgetting her son's name, but he was a musician. It's wonderful to watch this docu-series. You can watch it on YouTube.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  It was the beginning of kind of feminism, you know, women were just finding their, their voice and could get divorced if they, you know. The husband's really interesting in it too. He's like, kind of a salesman, you know.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Anyway, I'm recommending it.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, but you, I'm excited to watch it.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Days and Confused was mid-seventies, so that was like, you know, in high school. So music had a lot to do with that and just like, the vibe was totally different.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Were you ever a stoner in real life?

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Kinda, but not like, not a big one.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Not a big one.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  I think I am, a little bit.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Really?

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  But do you do the gummies?

• 32:25Speaker 01

  No, I used, I start, gummies were my intro, but now I like love a joint.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Calms me down, and then makes me go crazy.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  That's the thing, is you can't really, I mean, in my twenties, yeah, I was smoking pot, but not now.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Now I like, really like taking care of myself.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  I have an idea. When the podcast started coming out and people were popping, people were doing them, it's like, why don't they sit in pods?

• 32:58Speaker 01

  And really make it a podcast?

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we would sit like back to back, and you'd have these little pods, and you have cameras, and then we would talk to each other without all this. And we just, and then it would be a whole other conversation. You should do that.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  You should do that. It's your idea.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  You don't wanna do that?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  I would do that with you.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Okay, it's on.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  It's on.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  And you just hosted your first reality television series.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Oh right, that.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  The Mob.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  The Mob.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  What was hosting for the first time like?

• 33:31Speaker 02

  You know, I mean, look at me in this dress, right? It's a hostess dress.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  It is a very hostess dress.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  I, I was happy to be in a hostess position. I thought that was fun. When I was a little girl, there was a woman named Diana Rigg, and she would introduce Masterpiece Theatre Monday nights. And I thought that was just so fabulous and great. And she's like, this week and last week, we saw the family, you know.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, you just stand, you look great, you announce it, and you, you know. So that's what I, I was the hostess, and I felt like, it was fun. It was kind of like live theatre in a way, because you didn't really, you know, I would just walk into these reality stars. I'd never, I had no context for the kind of work this was, but it was fun. It was like thirty cameras, they came out in the first scene, it was like two vans, they were like running out like a barrel of monkeys. And like, let the games begin, you know.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Did you, were you able to take like, your improv skills and like, bring it to hosting?

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Not so much. I mean, I kind of, I wanted to be like the hostess with, you know, I wanted them to act out. I think as the hostess, it's kind of, you know, I kept my distance a little bit.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  No, it was, it was fun. I enjoyed it.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  And it was in Tuscany, it was so beautiful there.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Oh, I've never been, I'm so jealous.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  This reality, like, I don't watch a lot of reality television, so it was like, two worlds collide a bit, but it was like Joey.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  From New Jersey?

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Right?

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my mom, my mom watches The Real Housewives. I never got in, I didn't take that dive.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  You would love it.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  You would love Salt Lake, and you would love Beverly, early Beverly Hills.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  And you would love early New York.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  And Harry, right, who's on The Mob in this season.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  These reality stars go from one show to another.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  And they're, they become a brand, and they bring their audience to the show.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  It's really interesting.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, they have, I don't, I felt for them, like, I kind of, I'm like, don't you wanna act? Like, what are we gonna do with, cause I watched the last season of Traitors.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  And the, the women from Real Housewives were so much fun, like, I loved it.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  This could be a new kind of thing, where the reality stars are acting.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Right? Because it is entertainment, and they should be, they should be part of the union, and they should be part of stories. And I was like, Harry, and some of these, to me, like, a lot of them, I'm like, do you wanna be, do a TV show? Like, what's, what's happening? Are you, are people giving you enough acting work?

• 36:47Speaker 01

  It is acting too, in extent though, I mean, I've spoken to.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  It is, yeah.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Lisa Rinna about it, and she was like, you know, it's like, you're, it's not entirely you.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  It's a genre, it's like the whole thing.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  It's, it's a real.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  And so The Mob kind of is cracking that open a little bit, and there's a little bit of performing in there with like, putting on the, the Mob persona and this kind of toughness and this, this thing. So I think, I think that's fun. We want people to play. I want people to play at home. Play this game, play at home. Everyone dress up.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  And, and what is, what is?

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Do something, you know, like, play with your family. So Maria, who is one of the Mormons, right?

• 37:31Speaker 01

  One of the Mormons.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Or Demi, it was Demi.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  I, is it from Secret Life of Mormon Wives?

• 37:35Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  I don't, that's the one I don't watch, and everyone's like, you gotta watch it, it's the one I don't watch.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  So she grew up Mormon, and every Monday night, the Mormons, they have like a game, game night. And so they play games. So she played Mafia, but they, in their version, there's an angel on your shoulder and a devil on the other one.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  So, did you play games?

• 37:55Speaker 01

  My family, no.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  And you didn't play games?

• 37:57Speaker 01

  My mom stuck me, love her, stuck me in the TV room and was like, just watch TV.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  She was like, just watch TV, and that's what I did. And I watched all the TV in the world.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  And look at us now.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Look at what we're doing.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Exactly. I remember, yeah. But that's why I, she would be like, what are you watching? And I would watch all this like, stuff that was way too, I was way too young to watch.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Like?

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Like, all the VH1 reality shows when I was eight. When I was eight, I was like, I wanna fight. I was like, I wanna fight someone right now. And then I was watching South Park, but my dad, my dad encouraged South Park. He was like, you should watch South Park. Because, and then Family Guy, and I was, I remember I watched Desperate Housewives, Breaking Bad, and.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Are you a Scorpio?

• 38:42Speaker 01

  I am a Scorpio.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Is that why we started crying a little bit? Cause we have so much water.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  So much water in us. Do you know your rising and your moon?

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Labor Rising.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Peaceful.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Gemini Moon.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  I'm a Gemini Moon. I'm Gemini Rising though.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  It's tough. It's just like tough to be two Geminis in one.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  That's, that's all air, all ideas.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, but then it's like, I'm a Scorpio for real, and so.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  You need some like Taurus around you, you need some grounding Taurus over there.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  My mom's a Taurus.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  I'm psychic.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Yes, you are. Do you, do you feel like you're psychic?

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Sometimes. I mean, I, I like to, you know, think so.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Sometimes I can't tell what's my intuition and what's just anxiety.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  It's really hard to tell. Sometimes I'm like, am I just anxious, or do I really feel like this is the wrong thing?

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it's, the twenties are like that. The twenties are hard, they're just, they're breathless, you know.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, what do you mean by that?

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Just, the engine is just, the energy that you have inside is, is a lot, and you'll, that'll calm down after thirty. And then in your fifties, it'll be even better.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  The twenties for me just feel like, like, everything's so fleeting and going away and fast, and you have to do everything now. Is that how you felt in your twenties as well?

• 40:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. I turned thirty and I was like, wait, there's more?

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought I kinda did every, have to keep, keep this up. Yeah, there was some kind of energy, you know, that's very different in your twenties and in your thirties. And then you'll be in your thirties, you'll have forty, and you'll feel old.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  So forties not it?

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Oh, uh, forties are tough.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  But fifties are great.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so. They feel, I feel more grounded, definitely.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  I was gonna say you worked with some of my friends, Patrick Schwarzenegger and Sam Nivola.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  I love Sam and I love Patrick.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Oh, I know. Aren't they great?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  They're amazing.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Patrick had a lot of massages in Thailand.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  I can imagine that.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  I remember seeing him and he just had that like dazed look.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Like three hours.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Do you not feel claustrophobic in a three hour massage?

• 41:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  You know, these, they grew up in Thailand. They were just massaging and you don't, if a baby comes into a restaurant, a mom's holding a baby, the baby is handed to, babies aren't supposed to touch the ground. So people are holding the baby and it's just lots of movement and bodies and, you know, and it's healthy. It's healthy to get massages.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  So it's part of their, it's part of their culture. And there were these like pavilions where you'd get a massage. These ladies outside just sitting down and you can just get under a pavilion and, and they just walk all over you and stretch you out.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  And you guys took over that whole hotel, right?

• 41:54Speaker 02

  At the Four Seasons, yes. And then we went to Phuket and stayed in My Cow and the Anantara and Rosewood Hotels in Phuket.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, it was a whole experience. I'm sorry, I don't know where to start with it because it's just so full.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  I can't even imagine. Well, how was the food? Because Thai food is some of my favorite food in the world.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  There's this place in Bangkok called Jua, J U A, and she was Japanese, the maître d'. And he, it was like a little tin air streamer trailer. Maybe like 30 people could fit in there. And she was this amazing hostess. And the chef was from Florida. So he was cooking southern food, but Thai with like a Japanese twist. And they'd make these cocktails and, and people would come in and hang out. And everyone talked to each other. It's so friendly. And I ended up, when we went back to the, for the premiere in Bangkok, I ended up meeting the son whose family owned the hotel that we shot Victoria's Dream.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  You know, that colonial house that was, it was like delivered to that area.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Was that the longest shoot of your life that you've ever done? What, did you find it challenging how long it was or?

• 43:20Speaker 02

  You know what? Like, I go to places and I'm like, I love it here. So I kind of get, I live where I, where I go. And I fell in love with Thailand. I loved it. I loved it. And then I went down south to New Orleans. And the south really reminded me of Thailand.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Really?

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  What about it?

• 43:41Speaker 02

  And there was this restaurant in Hattisburg, Mississippi. And I said, "Sawadee ka."

• 43:49Speaker 02

  I said, "How did you get here?" And he's like, "I, it's warm and the hospitality and the food." So there was this like link.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  I don't do well with heat in general, so.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  But now my body's really used to the heat. I like it. Like, I don't mind sweating. I took a nap at my mom's house. My mom just had some surgery. She had hip replacement. And I was caretaking her in the hospital for like a week. So it was just like lots of energy on. I was so exhausted. I took a nap outside on the glider recliner. And I woke up just covered in sweat. I fell asleep in the sun.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  And you didn't mind it?

• 44:33Speaker 02

  No, I didn't.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Oh, that's like my worst, like.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  But see, if you, if you, if you went there and acclimated, it would feel really good.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  I know. That's the thing. I sleep, when I sleep, I sleep at 62 degrees. My bed cools to like negative 10. I have like a mattress that cools and I have a fan.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Uh huh. And you like all those sounds too, right?

• 44:52Speaker 01

  It's just like, yeah, like the air conditioner, everything. And I just like love being cold.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Because I always feel like you can always add more layers, but you can't like rip your skin off.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  My mom, my mom's bedroom is like that. It's like a meat locker.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really, it's freezing.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I would love her.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Now, do you have a weighted blanket?

• 45:14Speaker 01

  I do. I do.

• 45:16Speaker 02

  How many pounds?

• 45:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. It feels like four.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  I would guess four.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  I would guess four.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Is it the whole bed or is it just one for your body?

• 45:25Speaker 01

  It's a throw that I would just like take over. Have you ever had a Lola blanket?

• 45:29Speaker 02

  No, what is that?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  It is possibly like one of the softest blankets I've ever had in my life. I don't know where they, how, what happened. And suddenly just one arrived to my house. And I was like, what is this? And it's safe to say it changed my life.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  It's called a Lola blanket?

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you would not believe.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Is it like stuffed animal material?

• 45:53Speaker 01

  It is even better than that. I'll show you one after. And they, we went to a, like some, they put on a Lola blanket fashion show during New York Fashion Week. And they had shirtless models walking down the runway with blankets. And you can see me and Louise go like this, like we were like watching like Gucci or like something, but it was a blanket fashion show.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  So that's Lola blankets.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I want to see it.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Should we get a, should we bring a Lola blanket?

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Thank you. They, I like, I like a soft pillow. I don't like the hard, a hard pillow.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  I don't like a hard pillow either. I sleep on a.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  I like a worn down, like I think one of my pillows is like from high school. I have some old, you know, pillows.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  My parents still have my SpongeBob blankets from high school. I slept in SpongeBob blankets from when I was seven to 18. And now my dog Barney sleeps in it. I went to my parents' house, I was like, "My fucking SpongeBob blanket." They were like, "Yeah." It's like tattered, but it's something comforting about it.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  That's so sweet.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  I know.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  I want to meet your parents.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  I mean, they would love to meet you.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  What's her name?

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Helene.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Hi, Helene.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  She'll break.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  I need to get more into Joni Mitchell.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, you do?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  It's my mom's favorite.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, she's genius.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  I know. She's.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  I really got into her when she, I saw her, I think she was at like the Newport Jazz Fest and she was singing Both Sides Now. But she was like her age now. And hearing her sing that song now with like the clarity that like life's brought her since writing it was just like, I was like so moved.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  And that's when I first got into her. And I called my mom and she was like, "Where the fuck have you been?"

• 47:42Speaker 01

  So during this show, we do this thing called the Tell Me What's Wrong's and the viewers write in and they ask for our advice.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  "I had the strangest dream of my ex that I broke up with a year ago. In this dream, he was begging for me back, but in reality, we dated for two years and he could not stop cheating on me. When I woke up, I had a notification that he liked my Instagram post and viewed my profile. And now I can't stop thinking about him. Like, should I believe in fate or just move forward?"

• 48:16Speaker 02

  No more social media.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  I can't. I'm so addicted. It is such a problem. It is, and then I put it down.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Do you like to swipe?

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Swipe, scroll at like, I, and then I'm like, and then I like look up, it's been four hours. And I'm like, I know.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Where was I?

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Where was I?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Where am I?

• 48:33Speaker 01

  And my fear is like, one day I'm going to be 80 and I'm going to be like, where did everything go? I've been on my phone this whole time. So I've been trying to like, I've been seeing signs. Like I believe in like signs from like the universe and stuff. And I've been getting the universe and I've been getting a lot of signs to get off my phone, like recently, like a lot of people being like, like even like I've been thinking about it. And then someone, I think Louise yesterday was like, "You should just unplug." And I was like, "I was so weird. I was just thinking about that." And so I unplugged a little bit this weekend and it was really nice.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  That is nice.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  I think it's demanding. I think the phones have become kind of demanding for people to keep up.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's just anxiety inducing. You constantly feel out of the loop. Like you constantly feel out of the loop. Like I had a panic.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Or you can just be out of the loop, you know, like me, you know?

• 49:28Speaker 01

  How do you do that?

• 49:30Speaker 02

  You can talk to people on the phone.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  I know.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Do you talk to people on the phone?

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Well, I FaceTime a lot. But it was funny because in Wild Horse 9, they were like, when he comes to the hotel, they're like, "You have two missed calls from you." And I was like, and in that moment, I was like, wait, how did they get in touch back then? Like, how did she get the number of the place he was staying in Easter Island without phone books?

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, phone books.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  But like, how, crazy. I was like, oh, my God, like I wouldn't last a day.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Weren't those phones, didn't they look great though?

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Your makeup in that movie is so great too.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Thank you. I tanned my face and I put freckles.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  And you had like some blue.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was awesome.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was fun.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  "It's so hard to make friends as an adult. Me and my husband just moved to a new neighborhood with our newborn. Everything's so crazy that we haven't been able to be normal people with our neighbors, new coworkers, et cetera. What do we do to branch out with our busy schedules and not knowing anyone?"

• 50:38Speaker 02

  Bake some cookies.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Right?

• 50:40Speaker 02

  You know, cook, cook for your neighbors and leave them a little note.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Goes back to social media. I think people are so scared to like interact and leave the house.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  COVID was not good.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  COVID was bad.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  COVID really got people more scared and not knowing like how to be.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  I used to be the most extroverted person in my entire, like I was like, lived to go out, lived to socialize. Like I would go out every single night, had the most fun. COVID happened, I was like, oh.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  I'm like, I can stay in, just like chill and watch TV.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  I watched Alone during COVID and it was a really good show to watch alone. The show Alone.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, what was that about again?

• 51:23Speaker 02

  They're all on a, you know, surviving on a, you know, in the extreme weather and the cold. And they're filming themselves.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Reality?

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Uh-huh. So you're like into like reality documentaries, like that, is that one of your favorite genres?

• 51:38Speaker 02

  I do, I do, I like that.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  But what about our friends? How are they gonna make?

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Bake cookies and leave the house and put themselves out there.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, do something out of the box.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  I think people are afraid to put themselves out there. Ever since COVID, I think there is like this fear of like cringe or being judged and.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  God, it's terrible.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Watching Party Girl this weekend, I was like, oh my God, people used to just do whatever.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  People just used to do whatever.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  And there was no talk about it. There was no judgment about it. It was like New York was just this place of freedom and people saying what they want and being whatever, you know? It was really, it was really free.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  I've found that I've gotten weird about my close friendships. I seriously struggle with being vulnerable. I'm not really reaching out to people and seem to view everyone quite negatively and be worried they're gonna leave me. Ooh, I feel this way. Maybe this is unfair to them. I'm really scared of being hurt again and don't know how to trust my friends. I think sometimes you just, I, there's this quote from, have you seen the Amy Winehouse documentary? It's fantastic. And I think it's Tony Bennett that says, he says something like, if you live long enough, life will teach you how to live it.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  And it's one of those things where it's like, that is something I've struggled with and it's like, just about kind of ruling with the punches and letting life

• 53:16Speaker 01

  give you ups and gives you, give you downs and not be so guarded of, from the downs. Cause when you're so scared of the downs happening, then you're gonna get no ups ever, cause you're just like in this little bubble. And did that make sense at all?

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  That's kind of my advice.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  There was this meditation that I did when I was in Thailand and I was feeling alone and lost. And we don't, I think we're missing spirituality.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Do you get a lot of letters? Is this like that people call?

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how the, that's how this show kind of came about. It was people, I used to, people were right, would write in and that was the whole premise of the show and then it became whatever it's become now.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  So there's like a loneliness epidemic.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  There is a loneliness epidemic.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it, it, I feel like the loneliness epidemic, I mean, this is probably goes without saying, but was so exacerbated by COVID. Like COVID made it, it was already happening and then COVID just kickstarted it even more. And I don't know how we're gonna get out of it because social media plays the biggest role in it.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  How could you not feel lonely when you're on your phone and you're seeing people hang out 24/7?

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  You know?

• 54:37Speaker 02

  I mean, loneliness too is, you know, it's a part of existence. And we need people to help us, to connect and, and love and to, to get us through, right?

• 54:55Speaker 02

  I am, you know, old enough to be your mother, but I've always felt the same. We will feel the same. We just keep getting older. And I'm a sensitive person. I can't imagine the challenges of these devices of people who have been, it's almost like being hijacked.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  And it's, I'm kind of waiting for the revolt, you know, to, to go like, yeah, this is like not really fun anymore.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, I feel for, I feel for, you know, and it's just a generation.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  But I believe that they're making things and they're, you know, I mean, that's the human condition. I think we can, you know, help each other out. I feel for her.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  You, you said, you just said really struck me. You said you've, you've, you, you've grown a lot, but you've always felt the same. What did you mean by that?

• 56:00Speaker 02

  That we keep getting older, but we feel the same. Like my loneliness happened a long time ago. It's a problem.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  It is a problem.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  And did some, I just wanna like start a dance class or something.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  I know. We should start a dance class.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Dancing.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Getting into their bodies and stuff.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  I love to dance.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  Playing, I do too.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  It's my favorite thing in the entire world. Like when I go out for a weekend and just like dance.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Are you a funny dancer?

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Well, like to me, I, I take it really seriously. So I like, if I'm like, if I'm like on like mushrooms or something and I'm like really getting into it, I'm like, no, like no one can stop me. Like I will not stop dancing. And like this is not funny to me, but it's funny to everyone else and I'm so glad it is. But like this is very serious to me.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Did you see Sirat?

• 56:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  S-I-R-A-T. It was a movie last year that is, it's, it takes place in Morocco and it's at a rave. It's a wonderful movie. It's really, really good.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  See, I never thought I'd be the type of person to like a rave just because I didn't give my chance, I didn't give my, give myself the chance to because during the time when I would have been raving, it was COVID.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  So, and then I finally like went to a rave with my friend and I was like, this is awesome. Like I was like, this is the best thing I've ever experienced.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so great.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  It's just like straight dancing.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  And did you, like a few weeks after, you just felt so much lighter and happier, right?

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Literally the next morning, I was like, oh my God, last night was awesome. Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  And I'm really, that's why I'm so excited to see The Strokes Friday.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  That's gonna be so fun.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  I'm so excited.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Oh my God, I miss dancing.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 57:47Speaker 02

  I'm due for a dance.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  We'll dance.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  We'll dance, if you want to.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Okay, we'll dance outside.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Well, Parker, what did we learn today?

• 57:57Speaker 02

  What did we learn today?

• 58:02Speaker 02

  We learned.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  I learned that I need to get off my phone more.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  And that I'm really lucky to do what I do.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  I'm really lucky to do what I do too.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Cause talking to you was super cool.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  It was super cool. Cause it doesn't matter what people think.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  It really doesn't, does it?

• 58:17Speaker 02

  It doesn't, doesn't matter.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter, right?

• 58:19Speaker 02

  You be you.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  You be you.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  I also think maybe you should have some pods.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Oh, for do the pod, the podcast, yeah.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  Cause this is kind of what it would be like, except we would be facing away from each other.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  I'll talk to you later.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Okay, I love you.