Session 106: Hailey Bieber

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  Boom.

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  Hi pussies and welcome to Therapists Season 3. I thought it is only right to do my first intro with my best friend Brett.

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  Stop.

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  Seriously.

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  Hey.

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  Seriously.

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  I've been doing this more.

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  Have you really?

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  I'm sorry. It's really addictive.

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  I know, it really is. Clock it.

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  Clock it.

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  Hi.

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  Hi.

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  We are so apart these days.

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  It's really upsetting, but it's also exciting because it's cool things happening for you.

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  And you.

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  Well, yes, thank you, but...

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  So we have two big announcements that were... I'm going to Broadway and Brett's going to Tokyo.

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  Yep, yeah.

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  Brett is running the Tokyo Marathon.

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  I'm running the Tokyo Marathon on March 1st, so it's still a bit of a ways away, but it's soon enough.

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  Are you excited? Where's Cassandra? She's right here. Are you excited?

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  I'm very excited. It's my first ever international marathon, which is cool. Yeah, I can't wait. Like, I'm just gonna be like in Japan for 10 days. It's pretty cool. And you were just there.

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  I was just there.

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  So we're like very, like, we're in sync, but we're out of sync.

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  Yes, yeah, Japan. I just went to Japan. It was so amazing. I think maybe...

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  Are you jet lagged?

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  No, I beat the jet lag.

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  You seem totally fine.

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  I'll tell you why I beat the jet lag. I slept the whole flight, so then I woke, I landed at like 8 a.m. and I just, I didn't let myself sleep all day. And it was Super Bowl Sunday, and I went to a Super Bowl thing, and then I got home. And I got a Benadryl IV.

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  Yeah.

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  At like eight thirty. So because I knew that if I didn't, I would wake up in the middle of the night.

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  Yeah.

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  Which I still did, but I was able to go back to bed because I had that.

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  Yeah.

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  And so I just slept the whole night.

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  That's wonderful. I'm taking notes for when I come home.

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  I beat the jet lag. Well, I, I think I beat the jet lag, but now I fly tonight to New York.

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  Which is just.

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  Yeah, but for good, for very good reason.

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  It's so exciting.

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  Broadway.

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  About it. We need to talk about it.

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  So excited.

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  What theater are you in?

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  Nederlander.

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  Okay, where is that?

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  Like, if I named any theater, would you have known?

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  Yes, bitch, because you forget, I went to theater camp.

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  Well, should we like, what are some like updates in our life? It's been a very long time since the last Therapists episode.

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  Yeah.

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  Since what, November? Has it been since November? A lot has changed.

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  Yeah.

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  And a lot has stayed the same.

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  Yes, but you've been gone for a lot.

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  I changed my meds.

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  Yeah, how is that going?

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  I think, hmm, I don't know. I don't know.

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  Prozac?

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  I, I changed from Prozac to Luvox.

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  Okay.

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  I'm on like the highest dosage of Luvox.

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  Okay.

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  It's supposed to help for my OCD, which it has. I have noticed that it has helped for my OCD.

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  Yeah.

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  I've noticed. I don't think it's helped with like my, like my, my mania. Like, you know, like I, I, I, I'm very happy and then I'm very, very sad and then I'm, you know, like it, it really does. So he's, my new psychiatrist is like trying to put me on Wellbutrin.

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  Really? Are you?

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  I'm on Wellbutrin, remember?

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  Wait.

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  You knew that? Yes.

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  Wait, wait.

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  Yeah.

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  How, can you tell me? Do you like?

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  I like it a lot. I went on it when I.

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  Depression.

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  For depression.

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  Cause girl, you were sad.

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  Girl, I was in a rough spot.

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  Yeah, you were sad.

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  And people don't know that sometimes, but, and then I've just stayed.

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  And do you have thoughts on it?

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  I I have had a great experience.

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  Do you notice it's made you happier?

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  It definitely helped when like when I first went on because it was just like tears galore for me. It was spring of 2024. You remember it was just bad.

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  Bad, bad, bad.

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  Bad vibes and I've just stayed on because I really, I really like it. I just find that it's, you know, even keeled, you know?

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  I'm just, my one thing is like, I'm like, oh, do I want to like be on all these meds all the time?

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  Yeah. And that's what I didn't try an antidepressant for so long for that reason. But I don't think that's a reason to not try it.

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  I know. I think I might as well try it. I think I'm gonna try it maybe after I do Broadway.

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  Good idea.

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  Just because I, I.

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  You already have a lot of like different variables that will be entering while you're on Broadway because it's just all these new things. So you might want to try it when you're in a bit of a more controlled environment, like you're back at home, like.

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  Right.

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  You know, like you're back just in your normal routine.

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  We also binge watched a lot of television this winter.

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  Yes, you put me on Homeland.

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  And then you stopped.

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  Yeah, I did stop.

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  But like respectfully, after season two, it really does go downhill for a second.

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  Yeah.

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  It really picks up in season eight, which is the final season.

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  And that's just too much. I can't get there.

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  It's a lot, but I really like gave it my all because I did all her, I'll, I'll tell you my binge watching journey. I start, I started with All Her Fault, then I went to Beast of Me. Then after Beast of Me, because Claire Danes is in Beast of Me, I saw Homeland was on Netflix. I did Homeland. Homeland took up a lot of my time.

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  Had you watched it before?

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  I did the first three seasons when it was, when it was airing.

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  Oh, wow. Okay.

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  And then so I, I did it. I, I redid it again.

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  Mm hmm. What else have you watched?

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  I'm, I'm doing all the Oscar movies. So I've been.

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  Super exciting.

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  I've been doing all the Oscar movies.

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  Which like I just, I have a lot of respect for it just because you know, I'm not a movie person. And I know that it's like hard to watch all of those.

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  I'm way more of a television person.

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  Yeah.

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  But so people say like, reading is a muscle. I also find to be like watching television and movies a muscle.

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  I agree, specifically movies, I think.

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  Right. Because I think with television, I am. Going full throttle into like a world.

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  Mm hmm.

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  You know what I mean?

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  Yeah.

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  And then with movies, I'm only entering the world for two hours.

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  Yeah, but you have to be like paying attention. Yeah.

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  So I've seen Marty Supreme. I've seen One Battle After Another.

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  Have you seen F1?

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  No, I'm about to watch F1.

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  I watched F1. It was good.

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  Okay, I'm excited. I've seen Train Dreams.

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  Huh?

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  So this movie, well, I don't know. I don't know. It is, it was, it was seriously probably the most moving

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  piece of work I've like seen in recent memory.

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  Wow.

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  It was really beautiful. Then I watched Hamlet.

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  How was that?

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  Hamlet was just.

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  Was it amazing?

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  And I don't like period pieces.

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  Okay.

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  I'm gonna say it. I don't. And I've said it before. I don't like them. Jessie Buckley, have you seen Hamlet? Holy mother of God.

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  Is it related to Hamlet?

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  Okay.

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  So yes.

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  Okay, I thought so. I just didn't know.

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  So basically, William Shakespeare had a son named Hamlet who died.

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  Oh.

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  And it inspired him to, I full body chills. It inspired him to write Hamlet.

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  Wow.

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  Then I watched If I Had Legs I'd Kick You, which is also amazing. Really good. Did you watch that? Yes. So good. So good.

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  Oh, yeah. You have Letterboxd.

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  Yeah.

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  Are you like updating that?

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  Sometimes, yeah. But I get so scared to share my opinion. Like, I don't know, like, sometimes people are so rude and I'm like, I just like, the cinephiles are like, and I just like, I don't, I don't like, I don't wanna like deal.

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  Yeah, they're intense, I feel like.

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  Yeah. And, you know, still out there on the dating scene.

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  Yeah, you've had some experiences.

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  That's, yeah, that's a phenomenal way to put it. Thank you.

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  You're welcome.

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  I called Cassie the other day. I was in such a chipper mood. And I was like, hi. And she goes, hi, what guy are you talking to? I am so male centered.

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  Yeah.

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  I am so.

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  I mean, we don't have to get into it, but sometimes it's just, it's a bit much.

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  Tell me more.

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  When you were crashing out and I was like, you gotta stop. This is just, you're putting this person on a pedestal.

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  I know. And by the way.

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  It was genuinely too much.

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  And Louise stopped it, actually. She did. And you want to know how?

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  Louise really just always comes in clutch.

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  Do you want to know how she stopped it?

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  How?

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  Have you ever heard the song "In My Head" by Ariana Grande? There's this line in "In My Head" where it's, "Look at you, boy, I invented you."

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  Yeah.

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  Like, the version of you that I am crashing out over, I don't know you.

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  Exactly.

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  It was all in my head. Louise was like, "You've never done..." And I was like, "I don't think I've ever really listened." Oh, my God, I listened. I was in the shower, like, "Boy, I invented you." Like, I was literally like, and you know what? Sometimes I feel like I'm experiencing the feelings of a 14-year-old girl for the first time as a 26-year-old gay man. Do you know what I mean?

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  Yeah.

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  Because I didn't have this in high school or college, really, because I was so busy people pleasing and like trying to be cool. So like now that I'm like finally like allowing myself to like be romantic without like whatever, I'm like experiencing that of like a teenage girl.

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  Yeah, and that's okay.

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  Did that make sense? I think like that, that I am. So, you know, but I am, it's, um... I really like, the music, music has really gotten me through it.

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  Yeah.

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  It really has. It really does.

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  And don't you feel vindicated now, like, having gotten through that and being able to like reflect? And now, most likely, you, the next crash out won't be as bad, hopefully.

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  I'm, I mean, Brett, of course it will be just as bad.

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  Well, I hope that you can learn from this at least.

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  I can't.

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  Okay, well. That's your own doing.

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  I know.

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  Like, you know?

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  What else is there to talk about?

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  Cochas! Hey, I was actually gonna say cochas.

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  Okay, so we should talk about cochas.

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  I would love nothing more. I'm so excited for you.

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  Brett, a few years ago, brought back these gummies.

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  They gagged us all.

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  It really did, like, we, and look at the Rainbow Gate Pride gummies, like, we, like, and so...

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  They're so good.

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  And so then I met with them and we really got along.

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  Hell, yeah.

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  It's amazing. I'm actually, like, so excited for everyone to, like, try them.

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  They're so good.

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  And I, and I, and I wanna do a big trip to, uh, Germany.

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  I would love that, cuz I've never been.

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  I've never been either.

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  Oh, my gosh.

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  And I really wanna go.

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  Where are their headquarters in Germany, do you know?

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  Uh, I think near Dusseldorf.

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  Love.

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  Yeah.

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  I'm very excited for you. It's gonna be awesome.

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  There is a lot more to come. We're gonna do a lot of fun stuff with it, and I'm really excited.

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  Yay!

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  I'm really, really, really excited.

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  I'm excited.

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  And I'm really struggling to be excited because you know my OCD. It's like, well, what if something bad happens always? I'm always so anxious, so I've been really, really struggling with that. But I've been journaling, which has been very helpful.

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  Yeah, you have been journaling.

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  Yeah.

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  Which I think is important.

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  Speaking of, do you know because of AI that, like, kids in school have to write their essays now?

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  Good.

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  Good.

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  I agree.

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  I, seriously, AI scares me so much.

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  Scares me so much.

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  And this is what I'm hoping. So I feel like it's, there's been like a boomerang effect, kind of. So it's like, before, it was like pre-technology. And then it was, now it's like over here, or like, for us, it was over here, where like, instead of, for us in my school system, instead of learning cursive, we like, kinda learned cursive, but then we learned typing. And so then it went like this way, where it's like, we're learning all the electronic stuff. I'm hoping that that it comes back and it goes back to, like, cursive in schools, handwriting, not having electronics, not having phones, like, whatever, because we realize how fucked up it's making our brains, like, the children, that is.

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  Yeah.

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  You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

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  No, yes, that does. That makes complete sense.

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  It's like, right now, the boomerang is like, all the way out there.

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  My question is, how can you, how can teachers tell if it's AI? Cuz it's gotten to the point where it's like...

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  I think that they can't, and that's the point. And like, we had to, like, comb through, like, the library databases, you know what I mean?

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  But you know what someone would say to us to that?

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  That...

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  We would have to comb through books.

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  100%.

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  Not to play devil's advocate, I think AI is terrible.

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  I totally agree.

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  I, but I'm just saying, like, but also at the same time, I think it, it's just...

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  The definition of it can only go so far.

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  Yeah.

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  And it's bad for the environment.

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  Yeah.

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  How? I don't know.

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  It's

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  But I know that it is.

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  It's because it uses like a lot of energy for like one search, like more than, way more than Google.

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  It's water for the cooling systems to keep the servers running. So it uses a bunch of water.

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  That.

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  Wow, Nolan. Thank you.

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  That.

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  We have to talk about the Pop-Up Bagel collab.

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  Yeah, that was really fun.

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  It shook the world.

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  It did.

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  It like really shook the world in a very serious way. No, did you see the one? I run LA. I run LA. And it was Brett's dessert bowl butter?

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  Yeah, people really

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  It's amazing.

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  It was, it got, I knew that it was like gonna be like a fun, like whatever, but I was not anticipating it becoming like as big and as like exciting as it did.

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  I just feel like you though specifically do partnerships that make so much sense.

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  Thank you.

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  Every single time.

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  Thank you.

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  Bloom.

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  Bloom.

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  Pop-Up Bagels. I mean, the first one with organic orange, True Fru.

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  Yeah.

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  Anything else?

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  Nike.

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  Nike. Anything else in the works that you can hint at?

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  Um, something more with Nike this year.

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  Ooh, really?

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  Yeah. Yeah.

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  We can cut that if need be.

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  I think it's fine to say.

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  Okay, whatever.

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  And, um, I'm trying to think what else. I think that that's like the main thing I can say.

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  Okay.

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  But about like the partnership thing, thank you. And that's something that I really want to continue because I think that that's very important. Oh, I have more merch coming out.

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  Although, I mean, the

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  But the merch is my own stuff.

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  Have you seen anyone in the wild wearing it?

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  Still to this day, no, because I saw people at like the Chicago Marathon Expo, but I don't think that counts because that's not in the wild. Like, duh.

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  Amani was in Trader Joe's and saw someone wearing the Bites. It is, it really is the most comfortable hoodie. I wear it every day.

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  You wear it so much.

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  I wear it every day. I wear it every single day.

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  It makes me so happy. So I have more coming out. I still have yet to see one though, and I really want to. I was excited to go to New York the other week because I really thought that I was gonna see one in New York.

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  But you got sick.

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  I got really sick and so I had to cancel.

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  Really sick.

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  I was so sick.

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  Did your aura ring tell you before, like you are, you're weak?

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  I woke up that morning and my readiness score was a 30, which is the lowest it's ever been. It's normally in like the eighties or nineties.

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  Did you have the flu?

• 15:31Speaker 02

  I never tested positive for the flu, but I only tested on my first day of symptoms. And sometimes you test negative then, like I would have had to go back.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Oh Brett, I'm so sorry. Did you watch anything?

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Um, I watched ahead of Tell Me Lies a little.

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  I need to catch up.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Because I have the screener.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  I need to catch up. Are you watching Tell Me Lies? Brett, have you ever watched Industry?

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Louise not watching Tell Me Lies is so off brand.

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  I kind of agree.

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  Yeah, I just don't want to see the talks like, like I'm like heated rivalry.

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  No, Louise is a gay man trapped in a woman's body.

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  Heated rivalry.

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  Email the other day and I wrote, oh, like this sounds great, but I'm gonna be away. Louise texted me, I, because I was gonna be in Japan, Louise texted me in quotes, I'm gonna be away. Obsessed. What?

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  I said, I'm gonna be away, like I'm away. Like that's just such a country way to say like.

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  It is country.

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  She's gay man.

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  Heated rivalry sent me into a psychosis of source, sorts. Um, it really did. My best friend said, because he knew how affected I would be by it. He said, Jake, please just, can you wait till the new year to watch it? Like, please, I, because you're like, because I was so alone with my thoughts.

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  Yeah.

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  When I watched it, it was during the break. And, um, I literally was like.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  I, I was like, uh, I was, I was like, why not me? Like, you know what I mean? I was like, why not me?

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Why isn't that my life?

• 17:00Speaker 02

  Well, it will be.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  But yes, what a beautiful, moving piece of work. Just incredible. Round of applause for heated rivalry, everyone.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Wonderful.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Nolan, did you watch?

• 17:14Speaker 03

  No, I considered it. Should I start it?

• 17:16Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Also, I'm sorry, my brain's going all over the place. One of the last things I'll say is there are a lot of people who, when Tortured Poets came out, were like, how could you write this entire album about someone you only saw for a few months?

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Let me tell you, that is real. That shit is real, okay? Because when I was crashing out over someone that I saw far less than months,

• 17:52Speaker 01

  that on repeat, start to motherfucking finish.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  And that album is just so good.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  It's the best. It's the best.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  And I just want to tell you, like, if you're questioning, like, how can those feelings be real? They are real!

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  And I just want to put that out there. Like, I was listening to, um, Down Bad.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Or Shout the Slammer?

• 18:13Speaker 01

  No, it was Down Bad.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  Down Bad.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Down Bad was really... Because I was like, yeah, now I am literally at the gym, upset.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  I'm at the gym and I'm upset.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  And you beamed me up just to put me down.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Ugh!

• 18:27Speaker 02

  So good.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  I love her. So, but yeah, Therapists is on Netflix now.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Yay! You're on Broadway.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go on Broadway. I guess I would have already done it by now. Last night would have been my debut, and Brett is gonna run the Tokyo Marathon.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Yay!

• 18:43Speaker 01

  And I'm so excited! And at the end of the day, it is all because of you guys. Every single person that watches this podcast, when I first started this, I had no idea what was gonna happen.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  It's really beautiful.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  It is so beautiful. It is a testament to you guys. Thanks for sticking with me even when I didn't do a good job and I could have done better. I don't know, like, sometimes I don't do, like, the best. Sometimes I think I watch something back and like, I could have been better, but like, people... But like, you guys still stuck with me and now we're on Netflix.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Which is the craziest thing ever.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  I'm so proud of you.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  I'm so proud of you.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Please enjoy the season three premiere of Therapists with Hailey Bieber. Bye pussies!

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Bye pussies!

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Hi pussies, welcome to the season premiere of Therapists. We are on Netflix now and our season premiere guest is, that was so horrible and so awkward. I'm so sorry. Hailey Bieber.

• 19:44Speaker 05

  Hi. Hi pussies.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  My friends always say that they're surprised you haven't blocked my number yet.

• 19:53Speaker 05

  Why?

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Cause I text you every day.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  Jake has been texting me a lot, but with good reason. But with good reason, should we say why?

• 20:01Speaker 01

  We've been watching Homeland and we just finished.

• 20:03Speaker 05

  I just pulled up outside and finished the series finale.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  And it's eight seasons.

• 20:09Speaker 05

  For the last 10 minutes in the car, cause I promised Jake that I was gonna power through.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  And it was hard.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  And it was hard.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  It was hard.

• 20:16Speaker 05

  It was hard, but we did it.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Did you have a favorite season? Besides one, cause one's the best.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, one was amazing. Eight did end up being really good.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Eight was good.

• 20:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Eight was good.

• 20:26Speaker 05

  We're gonna make ourselves sound like we have no life.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  No, but we do and we could, we could be legitimate spies.

• 20:32Speaker 05

  Legit.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  We could, because I know how they, and I wonder if that is like legit, how they do everything.

• 20:40Speaker 05

  Here's the thing, I think my biggest takeaway from Homeland is that Carrie is crazy, obviously. She's a crazy gal.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Off her fucking rocker.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  She's not well.

• 20:53Speaker 05

  She's not well.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  I don't know how the government hired her for as long as they hired her, like she, the shit.

• 20:58Speaker 05

  It got to points where I was like, this is not realistic because they would never keep her ass. But then she's so brilliant and so smart, so maybe they would, but I was like, they would never keep her around.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  So what I was confused about throughout the entirety of the show is like, the job, like is she so brill, like, does the job take that level of brilliance? Like, are they not just like following rules?

• 21:19Speaker 05

  Maybe you should get an ex CIA agent on the show so you can ask.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  I know, I know, that's what I was thinking.

• 21:24Speaker 05

  I think you kinda need to do that.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  I know, I was thinking, maybe I get like experts on this season, like experts in the field.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  Maybe you need to just get. Claire, hello Claire, come on the show.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  She's Carrie.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  Ask her, ask her to get in, how did you get inside the mind of Carrie? Because clearly she.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  She.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  She killed that character, but I was just so shook at how.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Did you, did you watch Beast in Me?

• 21:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, I did, it was great.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Did you start Homeland after Beast in Me?

• 21:48Speaker 05

  No, I started Homeland first and then Beast in Me came out.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:51Speaker 05

  Because Homeland came onto Netflix.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 21:53Speaker 05

  And I was like, I've never seen this show before, I'm gonna start it. So I started it and then I watched Beast in Me and then.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 21:58Speaker 05

  I was kinda watching both.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Did you like Beast in Me?

• 22:00Speaker 05

  I did, yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  And then Beast in Me has the guy from the Americans and.

• 22:04Speaker 05

  Right.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:05Speaker 05

  Two favorite spies.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  What's your favorite show of all time?

• 22:08Speaker 05

  The one that I always can go back to repeatedly, that is my comfort show, would be Friends.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  It doesn't do it for me.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  Really?

• 22:15Speaker 01

  I know.

• 22:16Speaker 05

  That's how I feel, people are gonna hate me for saying this, about The Office.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Oh, same, I can't.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  It doesn't do it for me. I like, I love Steve Carell and it just, it's like one of those things, I think you like, like it or you don't. It's not that I don't like it, it's just, I don't, it doesn't do it for me in the way it does it for other people.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  A thousand, people ride for that show.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  Ride, heavy.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Ride, I can't do it.

• 22:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  I can't do it, I, I watched Friends when I was like a kid, like I did a few seasons, but like my roommate, like, like it's her, it's the only show she'll watch.

• 22:46Speaker 05

  Is The Office?

• 22:47Speaker 01

  It's The Friends.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  Oh, Friends, yeah, like Friends is, I can turn it on anytime at night.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  And it just does it for you.

• 22:54Speaker 05

  And it just does it for me.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think my favorite show of all time is probably Girls.

• 22:59Speaker 05

  Didn't we talk about this? That I watched Girls for the first time in my life this year too.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  And did, what did you think?

• 23:05Speaker 05

  Um, it shook me.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Were you like, I'm so happy I'm married with children?

• 23:09Speaker 05

  It, it wasn't even about that, it was about the insufferableness of so many of the characters.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were, you were like, they are not well.

• 23:18Speaker 05

  It scared me, like I was like, surely people aren't like this.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  I'm like that, like I.

• 23:23Speaker 05

  That's why you said to me, I was like, wait, every single character on that show is a little scary for one reason or another.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:29Speaker 05

  But I, maybe it's, that's what it's supposed to make you feel and it's supposed to be this harsh stark reality of.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  It, I watched it like in full, like one year when I, like the fir, I think, no, maybe my second year post grad from college. And so I was like in that mindset, I was like, that is who I am to my core, like selfish and scary.

• 23:52Speaker 05

  I mean, listen, I think we all. Are like that and can be like that, but I was just like watching it with this lens of like, if I'm like this, I need to not be like this, like, but from so many different idiosyncrasies and quirks of the different characters. I felt the same way about Sex and the City.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  You have a really large vocabulary.

• 24:14Speaker 05

  Really?

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Yes, idiosyncrasies, so like.

• 24:17Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  You know, I was so sad for your 2016 dump.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  You were so sad?

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Sad.

• 24:24Speaker 05

  Oh, I thought you said sad. Why were you so sad?

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Sad.

• 24:27Speaker 05

  Sad. It was a time. How old were you in 2016? Okay, so you were old enough.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  I was old enough. Was it just the best year of all time?

• 24:36Speaker 05

  It was fun. I will say like 2014 to 2017 was a really crazy time. It was so fun.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  What was it like?

• 24:45Speaker 05

  Tell me what it was like in 2014. Um, when 2014 would have been the year I was graduating high school.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, older you now.

• 24:56Speaker 05

  I'm 29. So I was turning 18 in 2014 and I would have been, that was my senior year of high school. Didn't finish, whatever. That's a whole other conversation. I've already beat the dead horse of not graduating. I'm not getting into it again. So I moved into New York City, September of 2014. So I was 17. I turned 18 in November of 2014 and I was just ripping it. Like, I moved into the city. I was like traveling. I was working. I lived with my older sister at the time. And it was wild. It was so fun. I mean, it was like, I met all, I met all my friends that I'm still best friends with.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:38Speaker 05

  To this day, you know, all my core group of friends have been my best friends since I was 16, 17.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Oh, that's when you met everyone?

• 25:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Cause where did you grow, actually grow up? You grew up here or you grew up in Arizona?

• 25:49Speaker 05

  I grew up in New York.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 25:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm from New York.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Wait, why did I think you were from Arizona?

• 25:55Speaker 05

  I was born in Arizona.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 25:58Speaker 05

  Born in Tucson and then, well, my dad is from New York. My mom's from Brazil. But she grew, like, moved to New York when she was...

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Where in New York were you from?

• 26:08Speaker 05

  I was from a place called Nyack, which is Rockland County. Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yes, I used to live in Westchester.

• 26:14Speaker 05

  Oh, no way?

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  When? Why?

• 26:16Speaker 01

  When I was six to 11. I lived in Westchester and then I moved to the city and then I lived in the city and then I moved out here.

• 26:25Speaker 05

  Okay, cool.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:26Speaker 05

  So you're from the East Coast too?

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:29Speaker 05

  I grew up right across the bridge from you, the Tappan Zee Bridge. And then I moved into the city when I was 17.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  And it was just...

• 26:37Speaker 05

  It was just so fun. It's like, it was my first experience with going out and clubs and, you know, just, because I didn't go to high school, so I never really had that experience. So for me, it was almost like I was getting the most extreme version.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Of like, high school and college?

• 26:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  And then when did you come out here?

• 26:58Speaker 05

  I came out here in 2018 when I got married. Otherwise, I would have never come out. I wouldn't have lived here if it wasn't for that.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  And where'd you guys get married again?

• 27:06Speaker 05

  We got married in New York City in a courthouse. And then we got married, like, had a wedding a year later.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  And where was the wedding?

• 27:15Speaker 05

  South Carolina.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  And then where did you guys go for your honeymoon?

• 27:19Speaker 05

  We did a honeymoon when we got married, married, so like, a year before, and then we went on a honeymoon to Italy, like Amalfi.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  I'd never been.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  It was nice. Yeah, it was super, super cool.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  It's a good spot and the food, obviously, is amazing.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 27:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the food in South Carolina is amazing, too.

• 27:35Speaker 05

  The food in South Carolina is amazing. My wedding cake came from like, a local bakery in Charleston.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Oh, so good.

• 27:42Speaker 05

  It was so good. Like, I think about it to this day.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  What was the bakery?

• 27:46Speaker 05

  I don't remember the name of it, to be honest, but I remember it was just like this great, classic vanilla on vanilla cake, like, just buttery and southern and yummy.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:54Speaker 05

  It was great. Our wedding was honestly really, really fun. We had a great time. It was like, all of our friends and family and...

• 28:02Speaker 05

  It was beautiful.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  And how old were you when you got married?

• 28:04Speaker 05

  I was twenty one.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  What?

• 28:08Speaker 05

  So we got married when I was twenty one, like legally, and then I turned twenty two, like, two months later. And then when we had my wedding, I was about to turn twenty three.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 28:22Speaker 05

  Children.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Children.

• 28:23Speaker 05

  Very young.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Children.

• 28:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  But.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Pretty crazy.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Worked out.

• 28:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, here we are.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Here you are.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  And how old, how old's your son? He's one?

• 28:33Speaker 05

  He's one. He's sixteen months.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Is he talking?

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Stop!

• 28:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's so cute.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  What does he say?

• 28:39Speaker 05

  So he talks a lot about basketball. He says basketball all the time. I went to get him up from his nap today and like he was like, basketball? Like he's just, it's insane. So funny. He also just started, um, saying please. I'm like, say please. He, he knew how to sign please for a really long time. So if I would say, hey, say please, he would go like this.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 29:02Speaker 05

  As please. And now he goes peace.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  It's so cute. It's so fun.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  What's it like being a mom?

• 29:11Speaker 05

  It is so fun. I've, I always knew I wanted kids. I always wanted to be a mom. And then when it happens, it's just like, you never know what to expect and you don't know what it's gonna be like. And it honestly is, it's so much fun.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  What was like the one thing that like you were like, I, no one warned me about this and I wasn't expecting it?

• 29:28Speaker 05

  It's a whole bunch of you just don't know what's gonna happen until you get there. I think something that I, that I feel did surprise me though was that, I feel like I'm a lot more relaxed as a mom than I thought I would be. I think especially as a first time mom.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Right? Cause do you think you were gonna be like stressed about like the health and the safety?

• 29:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think I thought I was gonna be a lot more. And, and I did, like when I first had him, I definitely had more anxiety about, you know, when they're so small, it's a lot scarier.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:54Speaker 05

  But even so, I, I was a lot more relaxed about everything than I, than I thought because I realized that you just, figure it out as you go. Like every single day, you're just, figuring out how to be a parent as you go. And you're just learning as they're learning. And I think it's just the coolest thing to watch, a little person become their own little person. Like I'm watching him get his personality. I'm seeing what he's into. He likes basketball. He likes this thing, you know, it's like, it's so fun.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Does he ever listen to Justin's music?

• 30:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, he does. He, he's been saying, um, Baby, oh, baby, oh, baby, oh.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  No!

• 30:31Speaker 05

  Like, in, literally, in the last two days, that is so crazy.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Does he, is he walking, he's walking, right?

• 30:38Speaker 05

  He's running.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Shut up!

• 30:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's running, he's kicking a soccer ball, he's throwing the soccer ball.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Oh, so he's gonna be a sporty kid?

• 30:46Speaker 05

  Uh, so far, yeah, like, he's into all of it.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, I love babies.

• 30:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's so cute, I have to show you.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Wait, I don't think I've ever seen a photo of him.

• 30:55Speaker 05

  Really, I just shaved his, his head, well, I didn't shave it, but I got his, he got a haircut.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's so blonde!

• 31:00Speaker 05

  To look like dad dad, he honestly looks identical to him.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Oh, my god. That is just it, Louise, you have to see. Come here. I'm gonna freak the fuck out. No, I'm gonna be sick! I'm gonna be sick!

• 31:16Speaker 04

  He looks exactly like the two of us.

• 31:19Speaker 05

  I know.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Let me see that again.

• 31:21Speaker 05

  He's so cute.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Oh, my god!

• 31:23Speaker 05

  Isn't that crazy?

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Oh, my god! Oh, my god, he's adorable. He's like the perfect mix of you guys.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  I know, it's kinda trippy.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Who are you listening to right now?

• 31:32Speaker 05

  I'm listening to, I really love the new Kid Leroy album, Swag.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  Consistently.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  And Swag 2.

• 31:40Speaker 05

  I always go back to it because I just think it's such a great album, it's such a good listen to me, top to bottom. Obviously, maybe I'm a little biased, but like, I think the sign of a great album is like, when you've given it time, and then you go back to listening to it. And I just constantly keep going back to it. Um, what else am I listening to, let's check.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Are you Spotify or Apple Music?

• 32:01Speaker 05

  I'm Apple Music.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Really?

• 32:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm not a Spotify, love Spotify, love you guys. But I'm not, um, a, a user. Um, I love Tem's new album. Really into that, love Olivia Dean's new album. Like, running that into the ground. I also really like the Tame and Paula album, the new one.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I've only heard a few songs from it, but I heard it's good.

• 32:25Speaker 05

  Favorite, favorite, like, of all time, I love Tame and Paula there, he, Kevin Parker.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Is it just one guy?

• 32:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Okay, totally.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Totally, totally, totally, have you seen him live?

• 32:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Did you see the latest show?

• 32:40Speaker 05

  You know what was really sad, I was supposed to go. And then the person I was supposed to go with was like, hey, I I'm actually going to like one of the shows earlier in the week.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  But I'll go with you again. And then and then you don't want to be that girl that's like, yeah, come with me again after you just went 48 hours ago. No, it's okay. Like, I'll find somebody else to go with me. And then I never found anybody to go with me, so I didn't get to go. And it was their last show of the US tour. And so I almost went by myself because I'm such a massive fan. I can stand there by myself with a glass of wine and sing every song word for word. But I was like, I don't know if I love going to the Forum by myself and like being there alone. And it all worked out. I don't think I was meant to be there, but.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  You'll you'll see them eventually.

• 33:23Speaker 05

  I I did see Tame Impala a few times before. I saw them at Panorama Festival in New York City in.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Panorama Festival? I was just like a sleeper cell activated. Like, oh, my God. I remember that.

• 33:39Speaker 05

  I saw Frank Ocean there.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:41Speaker 05

  When he performed.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  And Chance the Rapper did Panorama.

• 33:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was. It was a time. I think that was 2016 or 17.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  It was, yeah.

• 33:48Speaker 05

  2017, I think. And I saw Tame and it was just amazing. And then I saw them at the Hollywood Bowl, which was amazing.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  What's your favorite venue to see a show?

• 33:58Speaker 05

  You know, honestly, I do love the Bowl in LA. Because it just feels more intimate and it's outside and you can like bring your own wine and food. And it's like, it just is more of like a thing.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  I like the Forum because it's so easy.

• 34:10Speaker 05

  I love the Forum.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  It's so in and out.

• 34:12Speaker 05

  Love the Forum, love the game room, love the snacks.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yes, love the snacks.

• 34:15Speaker 05

  It's amazing. The last show I think I went to to there was Tate.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Unbelievable. It never gets old.

• 34:21Speaker 05

  Never gets old. I'm just like, God damn it, when I'm watching her, I'm like, I should be able to bend like that.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  I know. I want to like move my. It's like if you're a really good dancer like she is, like you're so magnetic and you like can't take your eyes off of you.

• 34:36Speaker 05

  She's amazing. I agree with that. A great dancer and she's just jumping into the splits. I'm like, good for you.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  I know. And it's just like, how does, how is that so easy?

• 34:46Speaker 05

  She's so hot.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  So hot.

• 34:47Speaker 05

  She's so great.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Well, what's your favorite Tame Impala song?

• 34:50Speaker 05

  My favorite Tame Impala song is, I think Yes, I'm Changing is so good.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  I like, if you ever, well, of course you've heard, Eventually.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  Eventually is amazing. Imagine seeing that live and like just shouting it at the top of your lungs.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Like it's, it's a spiritual experience. Did you see them when they were at Gov Ball? Cause you were li-

• 35:10Speaker 05

  I didn't get to go, no.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Okay. Have you ever been to Gov Ball?

• 35:12Speaker 05

  I haven't.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Well, it's-

• 35:15Speaker 05

  No, I don't think so.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  It's, it's like, uh, it was like very like kiddie playground back in the day. Like I got my fake ID taken there.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  I know. Did you ever have a fake ID?

• 35:25Speaker 05

  No.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  What were, what were the spots back in New York? Like back in the, back in the 2014, 2017?

• 35:33Speaker 05

  Up and Down.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Dead.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  Do you know Up and Down?

• 35:36Speaker 01

  I know Up and Down.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Up and Down, and then they made like a downstairs of Up and Down, which was called Never Ever. And then One Oak, obviously.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  Marquee.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Marquee.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm naming some spots, some old spots.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  It'll never be that again.

• 35:52Speaker 05

  Then there was like the upstairs of Chipriani, which is still a thing.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  I got grabbed out of there by my neck once.

• 35:59Speaker 05

  And the one in New York?

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Here. Literally less than a year ago.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  Why?

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Because, talk about fainting, my friend fainted in the bathroom and I went to go check up on her. And it was the girls bathroom, so I like went in and I was like, are you okay? Da, da, da. And so they ripped me out and like by here and like just threw me out on the street. I'd never experienced anything like that before ever in my life.

• 36:23Speaker 05

  Crazy and mean.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I know.

• 36:25Speaker 05

  People start naming places in New York to me now and I'm like, huh huh.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Never heard, I've never heard of that.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  I know.

• 36:31Speaker 05

  And then I start to feel old.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  You're not even 30 yet though.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  I know, I'm so young. I'm so young.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  And you like still have fun, I feel like.

• 36:40Speaker 05

  I definitely do.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:41Speaker 05

  I definitely do. I, I just think that now in my life, I find it more fun. Like the nights where I have a lot of fun, I think it's because they happen less often. When I was like- Nineteen twenty, it was every other night, there was a night to do something. You know, when I would come spend time in LA.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  In twenty sixteen, it was like Tuesday was this thing, Thursday was this thing, Friday was this thing. Saturday was this thing. It was the same in New York. It was like Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday, Friday. It was, there was always something to go to and always something to do. And so I feel like I really got to have that.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:17Speaker 05

  For enough time. That's why I didn't feel like it was crazy to settle down at twenty one because I was like, eh.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  It was so intense, yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 05

  For the last like four years, I'm, I'm okay to like, you know, move on to this new like chapter in my life. And I always knew I was gonna get married young. It was always something that I wanted, but I think now when I have really fun nights or like a fun weekend at Coachella or whatever it is, it's because they happen so much less than they used to that I really savor it and I soak up and I'm a lot more present because I don't know when it'll be like that again.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  And I like that they're more few and far between.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:54Speaker 05

  Now.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  I, I mean, I, in a similar way, like that's kind of how I was in college. Like we'd go out like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then, then when that ends and you go postgrad and you do it like once every two weeks, it's like, so it is like in a sense more fun because it happens less.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  Hundred percent.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  And you're like, you get everyone together and like.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Even, I feel like recently we had a game night at my best friend's house and we were all drinking wine. We ordered a bunch of pizzas and we had the most fun, funny night. And I'm like, this is also really fun. It doesn't have to be going out and going and doing a whole big thing. And also just putting sweats on and getting in bed and watching Homeland. Like, I was saying last night, I was on FaceTime with someone and I was, I came home and I was like putting my sweats on and I was like, is there any better feeling in the world than coming home from a long day and getting your sweatpants on?

• 38:48Speaker 01

  Or also fresh sheets and sweatpants.

• 38:51Speaker 05

  And sweatpants, like a shower, sweatpants, bed, Postmates, all of it. I'm just like, I love it.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 38:59Speaker 05

  I love that life.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  What, what's your next show that you're gonna watch?

• 39:04Speaker 05

  I have to figure that out. I've been watching Tell Me Lies, which you have not caught up on.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  I know, I've not caught up.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  And I'm upset about it.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Is it that good this season?

• 39:13Speaker 05

  I think it's great. I just started.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  I heard Steven's like unhinged this season.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  Unhinged, unwell.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I want to experience a Steven.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  We all know one.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if I know a Steven.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  You don't know any straight male that acts like Steven? Come on.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  I don't think I have. Well, the thing is, I don't have guy friends.

• 39:33Speaker 05

  Okay, fair.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  And it's such a red flag.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  You don't know a guy who a friend of yours has dated that gives that energy?

• 39:39Speaker 01

  I do.

• 39:40Speaker 05

  There you go. So you do know one. We all know one is the point.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Back to the guy that I was talking about. Do you think, okay, do you think when you, I know you said you're like, the ick isn't a thing.

• 39:53Speaker 05

  I gotta, I gotta get settled in for this now.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  You're like, the ick isn't a thing. You're like, once you get married, the ick isn't a thing, but like.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  No, that's not what I said. Cause you were saying something to me along the lines of like, will I ever get over the ick?

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Well, one day.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  And I was like, wait, everyone has things that are like quirks about themselves that we might find to be an ick. Don't you remember that trend that was on TikTok when it was like,

• 40:19Speaker 05

  girls were like posting icks of their boyfriend that they discovered and it would be like, their boyfriend like swimming and then they'd go down to their feet and it'd be like.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  Like, everybody gives icks. Like, I don't care who you are. I don't care what relationship you're in. Like.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  I live with myself and I ick myself out.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  I ick myself out always.

• 40:39Speaker 05

  Exactly. And you're stuck with you, so.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, literally unfortunately.

• 40:46Speaker 05

  Sorry, this cough is.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  No, everyone's sick. It's like, this has been a rough.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Forgot to take my inhaler today.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Asthma?

• 40:54Speaker 05

  No, for my cough.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  But you have asthma?

• 40:57Speaker 05

  I have exercise induced asthma. Maybe that's not a real thing, but.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Exercise induced asthma?

• 41:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, like. Exercise, hold on, hold on, we gotta look it up.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Like it's situational.

• 41:11Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:13Speaker 05

  Let's ask, hold on, is exercise, yes, exercise induced asthma is a real thing, though doctors now more accurately call it exercise induced bronchioconstriction.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 41:28Speaker 05

  So I was told I had that as a teenager and I always had an inhaler for that specifically.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  And now you have it for this cough.

• 41:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you know, some people, even if they don't have asthma and they get bronchitis, will get an inhaler because it's a spasm of the bronchial. So the inhaler will help control the bronchial spasm.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Big words.

• 41:48Speaker 05

  I'm obsessed with medicine.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Are you really?

• 41:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would have like loved to be a doctor.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  What about medicine, like?

• 41:55Speaker 05

  I just am so fascinated with the body and medic- medicine and doctors and I just, I love it.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Are you a hypochondriac?

• 42:05Speaker 05

  No, I'm not, I'm not a hypochondriac, but I am somebody who's really uber and hyper aware of their body. And then a couple of years ago, I had like a crazy medical situation. I had like a mini-stroke. And then I found that I had this like heart defect that I was born with, so I had to get surgery for it, which sounds really crazy, but they went through my groin and it was like, and I was only in and out of the hospital the same day. I had heart surgery and everyone was like, huh, like you had to cut your chest open? It wasn't that serious. And I think that situation made me a little bit extra hyper aware of my body and a little bit more nervous about things and like staying on top of them. But I've just always been really focused and fascinated on health. And it

• 42:49Speaker 05

  was also kind of what led me to want to do Rode. My obsession with skincare also comes from my obsession with like medicine.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  How long did this idea marinate before it became a real thing?

• 43:00Speaker 05

  Before I started really diving into developing it, which was in 2020, I thought about doing it probably for

• 43:10Speaker 05

  Four years, five years prior, like honestly, ever since I started modeling, I always knew I wanted to do something else. And I knew that I loved skincare and was always very obsessive with skincare and taking care of my skin. So I knew I was gonna go in that direction with it. I just never really thought about where I would start and the timing and the when and the how, but during the pandemic, I felt like there was time to finally sit down and think about it. And we didn't know when the world was gonna

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Open back up.

• 43:41Speaker 05

  Open back up and get back to life. So I dove in in 2020.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  It's really and truly, I think it was the fir- I told you, it's like the first skincare I've ever used.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 43:54Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  It's like, it eats. You know it eats.

• 43:57Speaker 05

  Thank you, thank you. I mean, listen, I wouldn't use anything that I don't think

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:01Speaker 05

  eats, in your own words.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:04Speaker 05

  You know, I made the line to be something that I was gonna use myself. And it's so funny when I see people sometimes online be like, she doesn't use her own stuff. And I'm like, I quite literally use every single one of my own products. Of course, I use other things too. I've always talked about that. I've always said that. I do skincare treatments. I love microneedling. I, you know, I do other things to maintain my skin and, and keep it healthy and keep myself healthy. I also think skin is an internal thing as well. What you put into your body, what you take. I'm a huge vitamin taker. Like I take vitamins every single day, every single night.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 44:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Like which vitamin specifically?

• 44:42Speaker 05

  Like I take, you're like, hold on, tell me everything. Like I'll take something for my immunity. I take magnesium. I take something called, like for my cortisol to keep like calm, for my mood.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  You're very calm.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  Thank you. I appreciate that. Um, just things that I feel like help.

• 45:01Speaker 05

  Keep everything in order, like I'll take D-bloat vitamins, I'll take, you know, drink teas, little elixirs, I take collagen jellies, like-

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I need to get on this.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  I have been doing this since I was a teenager.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:17Speaker 05

  Because I grew up in a household where my mom, she's very, um, homeopathic.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  So is my dad.

• 45:23Speaker 05

  And really into vitamins, and so like my whole life, she had me taking like fish oils and-

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Me too!

• 45:29Speaker 05

  What?

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yes, every morning, my dad would pour me a shot of fish oil with a little orange juice, because I couldn't take the whole thing.

• 45:36Speaker 05

  Every time my mom tried to get me to take it like raw on the spoon, I would vomit.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's disgusting.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  You have to give me pills, like this is impossible.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I used to bite the pills open sometimes.

• 45:46Speaker 05

  She actually used to give me little chew, there was like kids chewable DHA that like, it was supposed to like mask the taste, it never did, it was disgusting. But yeah, I, I feel like growing up in a household like that, it like, it set me up for the rest of my life to be so, like I'm so crazy about taking my vitamins. I travel everywhere with a little vitamin pill case.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Do you travel a bunch?

• 46:06Speaker 05

  Um, not as much as I used to. Definitely not as much as I used to. Which is really actually nice, because I used to be somebody who was such a little nomad and loved that, and I loved moving around and bopping from city to city and seeing new places and travel. And now that I have a family, I'm so much more settled and happy to just be, I love being home.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Right. And have you taken Jack on a vacation yet?

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm, yeah. We've traveled with him a bit, yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Where'd you take him?

• 46:33Speaker 05

  Um, he's been a couple of different places. We just took him to Japan.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  I'm going there next week.

• 46:37Speaker 05

  We have to have a discussion, I have lists, I have everything. Japan's my favorite place.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  I didn't know that, and all my friends said, you message Haley every day, go fucking ask her about Japan.

• 46:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have, I have a lot of good recommendations for you.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  I'm going to Tokyo.

• 46:51Speaker 05

  Do you eat everything?

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  Okay, great.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  Great.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, the food there is like amazing, right?

• 46:56Speaker 05

  It will be the most insane food experience of your life.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  What's your favorite restaurant in Japan?

• 47:01Speaker 05

  Ooh, that's so hard.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  One of the, one of your favorites?

• 47:05Speaker 05

  One of my favorites is a restaurant called, uh, Shima Steak.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 47:09Speaker 05

  Just the most insane steak ever, and the most insane steak sandwich.

• 47:15Speaker 05

  Incredible.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Tokyo?

• 47:16Speaker 05

  Tokyo.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm going to Tokyo, I'm going to Kyoto, and then we're going to Niseko.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  I've never been to Niseko, I would love to, but I've been to Kyoto and it's amazing.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Apparently, like, I'm not gonna wanna leave Kyoto.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  You, you can walk into a 7-Eleven in Japan and eat like, the best egg salad sandwich of your life, and the best like fried chicken, like, it's...

• 47:37Speaker 01

  I hate egg salad.

• 47:38Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, sorry. Something else, something else, but like, they're just, everything is such good quality and so good.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm gonna try the egg salad.

• 47:47Speaker 05

  And every little thing is, yeah, no, don't try the egg salad if you don't like it. There's better things.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Everyone's fucking talking about the egg salad sandwich at 7-Eleven in Japan, everyone talks about it.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  There's better things, you don't need to try it, it's not a must.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 47:58Speaker 05

  I promise.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  But I do need all your recs, and also, I do, I would like your shopping recs.

• 48:03Speaker 05

  I have all of it, I'm gonna send you a list.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Okay, like...

• 48:06Speaker 05

  The vintage is amazing.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  And apparently there's good watches.

• 48:10Speaker 05

  You can literally walk into any vintage store and find great stuff.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm so excited. Where, and you guys just went to Tokyo and Kyoto, or just Tokyo?

• 48:18Speaker 05

  We just went only to Tokyo this last trip that we were on. Um, Justin's brand Skylark did a cool pop-up out there, that was really amazing, so we went all together, and Jack loved it. I, I got to take him out there a bit, and he was running around and having a good time, and it was great. I loved it. I was a little bit nervous to travel with him to such a far place with such crazy jet lag, but he was great.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Well, cuz it's exactly, I feel like it's like a day ahead, so that you don't get that jet lag.

• 48:48Speaker 05

  I just honestly kept him on LA time.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:49Speaker 05

  So, he kind of like slept in the day and was up at night, which was fine, because I also, like, we were staying on that same time, kind of, so it, it worked out fine.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Do you wanna have like a big family?

• 49:01Speaker 05

  I definitely want, I'm taking it one kid at a time.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:05Speaker 05

  I definitely do want one more. Um, I'm not like in a rush, but definitely want one more. Maybe I'll have four more, maybe I'll have three, I don't know, I really don't know, I'm just taking it one day.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Have you always had this like day by day mindset? Or does it come with age?

• 49:21Speaker 05

  I'm actually such a future thinker and such a planner.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  I'm somebody who really enjoys planning and it makes me feel good to like, I know where I'm gonna be in like a month from now. You know, it's like, I know my schedule, I love being scheduled and regimented and.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Vitamins.

• 49:40Speaker 05

  Vitamins and planning and, you know.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  I'm very much that type of person.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  Are you the type of person that like journals a lot?

• 49:47Speaker 05

  I'm the type of person where sometimes randomly if I am awoken with thoughts, I'll start writing things down to like get them out of my brain and write them down. I'm somebody who does better with talking about things than writing them down.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  I don't know why journaling feels like a chore to me. It feels like tedious. It doesn't feel, I wanna do things that feel relieving.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:11Speaker 05

  And it feels like a chore for me. Maybe that's like my own battle I got across, but I just.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  No, but it also like hurts your head.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Also like journaling, you have to be so intentional with it. Like I started the other week and like, I was like, I don't feel good because I'm writing horrible things about myself. You know what I mean? Because I'm just writing whatevers in my head.

• 50:32Speaker 05

  You know why that's good is that when, even if that's what you're doing, not that you should ever be writing horrible things about yourself, but getting them, I think the whole point is getting them out of your brain.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:42Speaker 05

  Takes them out of your brain. So like getting it out and getting it onto paper, I think helps release the thoughts.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Right. When you were like creating Road, like where did you keep all your ideas? Like were you like, did you like keep them on like your computer or like, like how, where did you like organize all your ideas?

• 51:01Speaker 05

  I had, I was writing things down in a notebook, just all my kind of like word vomity. Ideas and I was writing down what I wanted the products to be and ingredient stories and, you know, things I wanted to look into for the formulas and stuff. And then I was making little decks on my iPad and on my computer and putting together mood boards and putting photos together and writing down the name and making mockups of a logo. And when I went to the agency that we worked with for making the logo in the end and like the branding was like I had come to them already with like a brand deck and like had set all this stuff up, my nerdy brand deck.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Were you an iPad kid?

• 51:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, kind of.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  So is she? Is she just recently gone?

• 51:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, I I use my iPad to watch all my shows.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 51:50Speaker 05

  And then I use my computer to, I love to FaceTime from my computer.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Same.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  And I love to make decks and like mood boards on my computer.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Was it Always Road? Like, was that always the name? Like, did it just?

• 52:04Speaker 05

  It was always the name.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:06Speaker 05

  And from the beginning, I always said too, that I wanted it to feel like it could also be like a tech company. And that's kind of where the phone case came in.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Did you, where did, how did the phone case happen?

• 52:16Speaker 05

  We were sitting in the office one day and I had the sticky thing on the back of my phone. And I was sticking the lip treatment on the back of the sticky case. And I was looking at it and sitting there with my team. And I was like, guys, first of all, this has to obviously exist, right? Like, there's no way this isn't on Amazon right now. Um, so I was sticking the thing on the back of the phone. I asked somebody to look it up to see if it existed and it didn't. So I said, let's do this. Let's see if we can make it happen. And my team is the very best of the best. And they were able to find like an amazing person, a production person to make the cases.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  And do you remember, were there like multiple different mockups and like?

• 52:58Speaker 05

  There were multiple different, I mean, I said to them from the beginning, it should be a thing where there's like a slot and a holder for it. And we looked at if it was just a holder, if it was a case, we looked at, we did look at a lot of different versions of it. But it was something that I just did not anticipate going off the way that it did.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  It took off.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  And I think it was because the way it also shocked me that it didn't exist is it was, I think everybody's reaction was kind of the same as mine, like, oh duh, how did nobody ever think about this before?

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  And I've had so much fun with it now, like the Snap-on one is so fun and there's ways to just kind of keep giving it new lives and it's been so fun.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Do you, are you guys doing pimple patches?

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, we are doing pimple patches.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Did they launch yet?

• 53:46Speaker 05

  No, they come out soon.

• 53:49Speaker 05

  In the spring.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm so excited.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  Around a certain time where another certain fun thing is happening.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Shut up.

• 53:57Speaker 05

  Right?

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  Right. You know?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  What else are you excited about in the coming year?

• 54:03Speaker 05

  Well, honestly, I am really excited about the pimple patches because it took us, they were supposed to have launched already. And it took us so long to get them right. And it was so interesting because so many great pimple patches do already exist. And I thought it was going to be one of our more simple things to create. And it ended up taking the longest of almost anything that we've ever created.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Why did it take so long?

• 54:25Speaker 05

  I think because I'm really, really psycho perfectionist and I want them to really do a certain thing. I don't ever want to create something if I think it's not the best of that version. If it's not the best version of that thing that I think is out there on the market. And in my humble opinion, I do think like they're the best pimple patches I've ever used. And I wanted that to be the case before I put them out into the world. And then it was like getting the shapes fun and the colors right and the, it was just so much more of a process than I thought it was going to be there. Not just like little stickers that you stick on your face. They have a real function behind them that they.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:04Speaker 05

  That they do, but the timing is gonna end up being perfect. I'm glad that that they're coming when they're coming.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  When the another fun thing is happening.

• 55:10Speaker 05

  When another fun thing is happening.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  What was your like most like, oh, my God, like this like it made you like you made you like look around and be like this brand is successful. Aside from selling it.

• 55:21Speaker 05

  When people started coming up to me like out in the world and showing me the products in their bag or like when when I started to really see just people out on the street like. They wouldn't even see me, but I'd see them with the phone case. I was like, wow, that's crazy. Like I'd walk by. People would be, I'd be driving in my car and I'd see someone like on the street holding the phone case. To me, that was the moment that I was like, wow, that is so cool. To see people have this just in their everyday life like that.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Oh, congratulations.

• 55:51Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 55:52Speaker 05

  It's been so fun. I love it. I'm so passionate about it.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  And such a short time, too.

• 55:56Speaker 05

  I know. It's great. I think it feels not as short for me because I started working on it in 2020. Um, but obviously to go from a launch to an acquisition in three years, of course, is very fast.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  But yeah, I mean, for me, it was like fully a five year journey, which is also still fast.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  Either way, regardless, but it's been an amazing ride. I love it and I feel so much even now. I have a whole new breath of life with it. Post the acquisition, I'm just, I feel even more motivated, more passionate, so many more things I want to do and now that we. Have Elf as a partner, I also feel I have more access to do that, which is exciting.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Would you ever do like kids like skincare and stuff?

• 56:43Speaker 05

  I've thought about it. I definitely have because I stay super on top of my son's skincare, like every single night. Slathered head to toe in moisturizer, face cream, like everything. I mean, obviously like kids face cream is just. You know, very gentle, simple things and I like to keep his skincare really gentle and simple. Um. But I I would think about it, yeah. I'm I'm definitely not opposed to it.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  It's it's cool. My favorite thing about road is like, I feel like it sounds like an ad, but it's not. It's like it feel like it's so like unisex and like everyone uses it.

• 57:18Speaker 05

  And that was my goal and that was my intention with it. That's why the colors. Other than like the blushes and stuff, because that obviously, you know, and anyone can use the blush, the blushes, but the color story with the skincare is very, you know, it's eggshell and sporty gray and from the beginning, I kept saying, I want this to be a thing where it's very sporty feeling and it feels like it's something that you can throw in your bag and take to the gym or travel with easily, but also still really looks aesthetically pleasing in your bathroom and doesn't feel like anything else that's out there.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:51Speaker 05

  And so, yeah, that was my goal. I really wanted it to feel unisex.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's amazing.

• 57:56Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Well, Haley, what are you therapist about today?

• 58:00Speaker 05

  You know what's really annoying about these questions, not that it's an annoying question?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, let me know.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  Is that every time someone asks me something like this, like, what's your biggest pet peeve? And I'm like, hmm, I have so many, I can't remember. And then the pet peeve will happen. And I'm like, why didn't I just fucking say that? I forget.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  No, always.

• 58:16Speaker 05

  What my answer is. And then I'll get in the car later and be like, oh, it's this thing.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  It's like blanking on a task.

• 58:22Speaker 05

  You know what I'm therapist about today is this cough that I've had for like eight days.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  I've had this cough for such a long time.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Did you, you know, the the feeling of when it's like when you're like, oh, I wish I was more grateful of when I wasn't coughing?

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Yes, that's how I feel. I'm like, I will never take it for granted again.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  I know.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  And then I will take it for granted.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  I'm therapist about um my new bladder OCD.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  Like you have to pee a lot?

• 58:46Speaker 01

  All the time.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  Don't they say that's an anxiety thing as well, though?

• 58:51Speaker 01

  Oh, do they?

• 58:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I have to pee literally every five seconds.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  I know, like, I have to pee. I can't go, I pee every 10 minutes in bed.

• 59:02Speaker 05

  All the time?

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Yes. And so I have to sedate myself at night. So I just fall asleep without thinking about falling asleep, because if I think about falling asleep, like, I will have to pee.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  So what do you take to sedate yourself?

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Let me sleep.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  Let me sleep is great.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  No, it's let me sleep rocks my world.

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• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Who do you watch on TikTok?

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  I always think about that.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  What she watches on TikTok?

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Just like, what's coming up on your For You page?

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  So much shit. I don't go to anyone's page specifically to like, watch a consistent person over and over again. But there are people that have popped up on my For You page that like, pop up from time to time that I think are really funny.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  But.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  Um, but TikTok's tricky for me, you know?

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  You're good at it.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  I feel like I'm not.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Shut up.

• 1:03:17Speaker 05

  I feel like, you know what it is? I want to be that person who can set my camera up and just talk to it as if I'm talking to you at dinner.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  But I get really nervous because people get really nitpicky and like, pick everything apart and I just don't like dealing with that. When I see girls just chatting as if they're talking to a best friend, I find that so cute. And I just don't feel good at that because I start to feel a little bit like I can't fully be myself when I try to do that.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  And I just think the only way to do it right is to just like, fully be yourself and just talk and have a good time and. Be fun.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  When did you start getting like nervous about like people like nitpicking things you do?

• 1:03:59Speaker 05

  Um, when they started nitpicking everything that I do.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Totally, totally.

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? I feel like it got extremely bad when I got married. And then everybody just

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  every little thing I would say or do or every little movement I would make. Oh, did you see when she like twitched her eye like that? I'm like, okay, guys, I'm just gonna keep to myself then. Which is kind of sad because I feel like I used to have a different relationship with social media and I felt a lot more free to be myself and you know, now I think I definitely keep to myself more because of how intense it's gotten for me, but

• 1:04:39Speaker 05

  I just, I share what I want to share and I don't share what I don't want to share.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  But I think you are good at TikTok in the sense that like you do do things that like-

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  I make my cute little videos. I make my cute little videos.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Face mask with the sushi?

• 1:04:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Did you think like, wow, this is a skill?

• 1:04:54Speaker 05

  No, I was just being funny because I had posted another video. I didn't know it was a thing. I had posted another video eating sushi with a face mask and a bunch of the comments were like, damn, that's impressive. I look insane when I'm trying to eat with a face mask on. And I was like, oh, I didn't know this was like a conversation.

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  And I was already, I was starting to develop this sheet mask with road and I was like, don't worry, girls, like I'm gonna make you a face. Because a lot of the mouth holes on the face masks, they're so like small.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:23Speaker 05

  And so I was joking and I was like, I'm gonna make one that's like easy to eat in. Which actually was part of the conversation of the face mask that we were developing. I'm like, I want the mouth hole to like actually feel comfortable. Because who doesn't love sitting in a mask and eating food and just like being in your PJs at home and but yeah, I mean, I do love TikTok as like a point of connection with people. I do like making my little videos and my little get ready with me things, but people are really funny on TikTok. Like some things that I come across have me cracking up. I love it.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  I feel like TikTok sometimes in a weird way like gets me outside the house. Like I'm on like I, in a weird way, because I'm like, oh my God, these people are having so much fun. I want to have fun. Like these people are having fun.

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. I find so many, I'm such a big foodie. I just I love food and I love to discover a new. yummy thing and one of my best friends is the same exact way and so we just our whole thing is just sending back and forth

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  food

• 1:06:28Speaker 05

  foodie things on TikTok like random places in LA we've never heard of and never been to and like that's also one of my favorite things about TikTok is I've discovered great food I actually ordered sushi from a spot last night that I saw on TikTok and it was so

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  what place

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  it's called Boss sushi

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  never heard of it

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  exactly that's what I'm saying and I ordered it last night and it was on I'm like I'm gonna go here well now I'm giving it away but

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  is it where's it

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  I think it's on Los Yenega

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  oh I don't know the street names

• 1:06:59Speaker 05

  oh

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  I don't drive

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  do you know like where Matsuhisa is

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  yes

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  okay so that's Los Yenega

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  oh shut up

• 1:07:08Speaker 05

  yeah I swear

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  what's your favorite restaurant in Los Angeles

• 1:07:11Speaker 05

  what kind of food

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  uh anything

• 1:07:15Speaker 05

  Jake get more specific

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  okay anything not a steakhouse it can't be a steakhouse

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  okay I don't really go to a steakhouse out here anyway

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  I hate steakhouses

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  you can't just say you hate steakhouses period have you ever been to Four Charles in New York

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  no I've heard it's amazing

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  okay well that's technically a steakhouse

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  okay yeah right okay so no okay favorite Italian restaurant

• 1:07:36Speaker 05

  I have to say Giorgio

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  I know I agree

• 1:07:39Speaker 05

  I love it I love it so much it's just tried and true and like I've never had a bad meal there ever

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  have you ever been to Toskana okay

• 1:07:48Speaker 05

  but I drive by it a lot

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  amazing

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  and I always wonder about it

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  it's really good

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  okay that's good to know

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  that's sushi

• 1:07:55Speaker 05

  and Omakase that I know is always gonna hit really well sushi park you knew I was gonna say that hello duh and then I think sushi fumi is amazing like really really love cuz I love going to a place it's like I want a great miso soup I want great rolls I want you know cucumber salad I want all the things and they have all the yummy things

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  do you like Thai food

• 1:08:18Speaker 05

  love

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  have you been to Anajak

• 1:08:19Speaker 05

  of course that's also one of my favorites in LA it is one of the best restaurants I think of all like of all time

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  of all time

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  yeah

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  have you had there do you are you do you eat like red meat

• 1:08:31Speaker 05

  I eat everything

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Chinese sausage fried rice

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  it I just had that for the first time

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  holy shit

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  my friend ordered it and I had never had it before and I was like why is this the best thing I've it tastes like buttery and just like it's so good

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  so fucking good

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  so good it's crazy and then obviously The noodles, the Pet's U is amazing.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Fuck, I think I'm gonna get that for dinner tonight.

• 1:08:54Speaker 05

  How good.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  How, so good.

• 1:08:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  There's this place called Starbird. Have you ever had Starbird?

• 1:08:58Speaker 05

  Uh-uh.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Best fried chicken in Los Angeles.

• 1:09:01Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  I did it for like, like, I did like a Hot Ones thing and they like did the, they had it from there and they

• 1:09:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  And I was like, let me try it without the sauce, cause like they

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  Can you tell me something about Hot Ones?

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:09:11Speaker 05

  Is it like that bad? Like the sauces are really that crazy?

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  I've never done

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Expose them!

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  No, I've never done like, the full, the full to do. I've never done like the, like the, the Sean's Hot Ones. I've done like, what have I done?

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  But you did the last dab, like you did the, the spiciest sauce. He did three.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  It's like the one where you're not famous enough.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  That's what I did.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  But you had the sauces.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Not all of them. No, it's not that bad.

• 1:09:41Speaker 05

  Do you like spicy food though?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Love, more than anything in the world.

• 1:09:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  More than anything in the world.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  Love, love, love.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Thai food's my favorite food in the world. Thai food

• 1:09:47Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  And Japanese food.

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  Okay, I would agree with that.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  But Japanese food isn't like, super spicy.

• 1:09:51Speaker 05

  No, it's not. It can be. But it's not like, yeah, it's not that crazy.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  What's your favorite like, chain restaurant? You're like, okay, I can go here, like across America and be like, this is my favorite.

• 1:10:03Speaker 05

  Across America? Okay, let me give you one in LA that I think forever is really delicious. It's not a place that I think is like a go and sit, but Bossa Nova.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Shut up!

• 1:10:14Speaker 05

  Is so good to me.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  I see it on Postmates every night and I always scroll. I always kind of like look at the menu.

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  Let me say one thing about Bossa Nova. I love Bossa Nova.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  As I just stated. My mom is from Brazil, so like I am very picky about Brazilian food. And obviously Bossa Nova has like this massive menu. You can get

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  Anything.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Chicken Alfredo pasta and also get, you know, but they, but they're a known, like it's Brazilian, you know, based. And they do this like delicious, these delicious protein plates. Like you can get like a chicken plate with like beans and rice, if that's like your thing and you're into that.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  How's the rice?

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  I think it's delicious. I think for somewhere that is kind of like a fast foodie, not fast food But like a chain that, you know, is a takeout kind of situation. The quality is delicious. Also, if you're Brazilian, you know what pão de queijo is, which is like these little cheese breads. Some of my favorite in LA that I found is the bossa nova pão de queijo. I don't know if they make it from scratch or not, but it's so good. And sometimes I'll literally just order that from there. And there's also this soda from Brazil called Guarana that I love. And they have it at bossa nova. So sometimes I literally will just order pão de queijo and Guarana and call it a day.

• 1:11:36Speaker 05

  But I've ordered from there literally for years.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Okay, maybe.

• 1:11:39Speaker 05

  And it's still just so delicious. Give it a go. And they're open really late. Sometimes when you're coming home, like on a late night and you're starving and you don't want to eat pizza, you know? You what?

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Hate pizza.

• 1:11:53Speaker 05

  You hate pizza, period?

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Period.

• 1:11:55Speaker 05

  Why?

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:11:58Speaker 05

  Do you hate cheese?

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  No, I like cheese. I think it's like, I like protein.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  I, I don't know what it, I don't know what it, what is it?

• 1:12:07Speaker 05

  You, you love protein being the reason? You love rice.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  I don't know what it is. It's just.

• 1:12:12Speaker 05

  Do you like pasta?

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Love. Do you like dessert?

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  I love dessert.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Do you like ordering dessert at a restaurant?

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  Every single time.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Every single time?

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  Every single time I go out to eat, I ask to see the dessert menu.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  No, you don't.

• 1:12:28Speaker 05

  Swear to God. What is that? Why are you so irked by that?

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Wait, like, and you.

• 1:12:32Speaker 05

  What is the irk with that?

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  You don't like, you're not like, oh my God, I have to go, I have to go, I have to get the fuck out of here.

• 1:12:36Speaker 05

  No. We don't have the same issue with that.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  I have to go an hour or less.

• 1:12:44Speaker 05

  No, I, I get it. If I'm at the end of a very long dinner and I need to get home, I will skip it because I just cannot wait any longer. But like, I'm the type of person, well, while we're still having the meal, I'll ask to see the dessert menu to like rush.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  While you're still having the meal.

• 1:12:59Speaker 05

  While I'm still having the meal. That's usually most of the time what I do.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Have you had the mango sticky rice at Antajak?

• 1:13:04Speaker 05

  It's amazing. You've never had it?

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  No, it's amazing. I'll eat that.

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  Okay, thank you. So you're not like an anti dessert person?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  No, I just.

• 1:13:11Speaker 05

  I just, I need a sweet bite at the end of a really savory meal. I have to have it.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  Go to go Greek.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  So you'd rather stop at another place?

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:21Speaker 05

  That's worse to me than waiting for the dessert at the restaurant.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I need to move.

• 1:13:25Speaker 05

  I get it.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Have you ever been to Friendly's?

• 1:13:27Speaker 05

  Of course. I'm from the East Coast.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  That's why I was asking.

• 1:13:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Best, you know, I think they're like shutting down.

• 1:13:34Speaker 05

  That's sad.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Friendly's is this chain on the East Coast.

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  You can get like a burger and fries, but then like an amazing ice cream sundae.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  Like the most insane ice cream sundaes you'll ever have ever in your entire life.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  So good.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Fuck, they gotta bring Friendly's back.

• 1:13:50Speaker 05

  I know. Oh my God. I haven't had Friendly's in such a long time. I didn't even like think about that.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:13:56Speaker 05

  I would say, would you not agree that the East Coast, when I was growing up, we had like our, those little soft serve ice cream shops.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Better.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  Like the small town drive up ice cream shops that you would go for like a straight up cone with a twist.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  We had so many of those in the area where I grew up and I think about it now and I'm like, I wouldn't know where to go for that in LA.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  They don't have that here.

• 1:14:23Speaker 05

  They don't have it in the same way where it's like a little stand that you walk up to and just order at the window and you could get, you know, an ice cream sundae or like a cone with soft serve or like a chocolate dip.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  You know where they have that actually? Have you ever been to Heavy Handed?

• 1:14:38Speaker 05

  Uh-uh. No, I have. I've had the burgers. I've never been there, but I've had the burgers.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  A dipped cone.

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  Oh, really? Okay, I need to go there.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  Fire.

• 1:14:46Speaker 05

  Okay, I need to go there.

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  Fire. Like stupid. Like it's like actually the best thing ever.

• 1:14:51Speaker 05

  But that's so East Coasty to me.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  It is very East Coasty.

• 1:14:54Speaker 05

  Everywhere you, you could go be in New Jersey, you could be in New York, like you can find one in any little like town. On the east coast.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Do you think you want to live in LA forever? Like, do you want to raise kids here? Or do you want to?

• 1:15:08Speaker 05

  I think I do for now, because this is where we are. I think as they get, as, you know, my son gets older and if I have more kids. We'll see, but we kind of move around a lot as it is.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, we, we travel, like, we bop around a little bit, so I don't always feel like I'm just stationary here.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:15:26Speaker 05

  We'll see. I don't think I'll ever move back to, like, New York or anything.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  I kind of want to move to New York.

• 1:15:32Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  I know, it's just the dating, like, ah, ah, the dating pool there.

• 1:15:36Speaker 05

  It's bad everywhere.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  No, but like, here, I can't. I can't, I can't, I'm go, I can't, I can't anymore.

• 1:15:44Speaker 05

  I get it.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  I've ran, I think I've ran through, like, I've.

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  Stop.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  I think I've, like, but not even sexually, like, I ran through, like, on the app.

• 1:15:53Speaker 05

  Talking, yeah.

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  Like, I ran through talking, I can't find people, I, I, I, they're like, I'm on Hinge and they're like, we have no one to show you. Do you know how sad that is for Hinge to be like, we have no one to show you?

• 1:16:03Speaker 05

  There are no new people to show you.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  And I'm like, I'm in Los Angeles.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  But I feel like everyone feels that way.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 1:16:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  But I, I, I, I want a New York summer. That's what I want. I want a New York summer.

• 1:16:14Speaker 05

  That sounds fun to me.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want brat summer 2.0. I feel it in my bones and I want it.

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like this year is gonna be an amazing year, an amazing summer.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Oh, please.

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  It's gonna be great. Don't you worry.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  This summer was boring. This last summer, I, I was bored.

• 1:16:30Speaker 05

  2025 was like an interesting year to me. It felt like a very transitional year, like, I had, I, so much happened for me in that year, it was like.

• 1:16:40Speaker 05

  I had my son in 2024 going into 2025, and then it was like my first real year of motherhood, and I sold my company. It was like, there was just like, it was such a big transitional year for me that I feel like now in 2026, I feel very settled, so it makes me more excited for this year.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm, I'm excited, I think.

• 1:16:59Speaker 05

  How old are you?

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:17:01Speaker 05

  Twenty-six.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Yes, uh, yes, uh.

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  I was gonna say twenty-five or twenty-six, but...

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Somebody once sat there and looked me dead in the eye and guessed thirty-one.

• 1:17:11Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:17:13Speaker 05

  You do not look thirty-one, not even close.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you.

• 1:17:15Speaker 05

  Um, my husband's thirty-one, and I don't think you look...

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  He's thirty-one.

• 1:17:20Speaker 05

  He also looks a lot younger than thirty-one, though, to be fair.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  He looks very young.

• 1:17:22Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, he's almost thirty-two.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Where in Canada is he from, again?

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  He's from a town called Stratford.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Is that near Toronto?

• 1:17:29Speaker 05

  It's like two hours outside of Toronto.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Because I'm going to Toronto tonight. I was like, I need Toronto recs.

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  You're going to Toronto tonight?

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Yes, do you have recs?

• 1:17:35Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, yeah, I do. You're gonna have fun.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  I'm excited.

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  I have a couple of recs for you.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  Um, are you ready again to tell me what's wrongs?

• 1:17:40Speaker 05

  Oh, is this the part where you read things? Yay, this is fun.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  I'm genuinely so scared to hard-launch my new relationship of a few months. Everything in my life will change, like he's my best friend's stepbrother and she doesn't know. Oh, we all go to the same college, so I really don't want to make it weird, but we've fallen for each other and decided to keep it a secret up until now. In case things didn't work out, but now it's too far and I'm not ready for all this pressure, how do we break the news?

• 1:18:06Speaker 05

  So, my advice would be, go sit down with your friend first.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  And say, "Hey, I didn't want to say anything until I knew what this was, but this is the situation." Obviously, that's tricky if it's their stepbrother, but... If you guys are in love, you're in love. Like, what is anybody gonna do? I would just have a conversation with your friend first, before they find out another way and feel hurt.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  What's your favorite, besides swag, favorite dressing album? Because I have mine.

• 1:18:37Speaker 05

  Journals is mine.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  That's my best friend Peyton's, too, who's like the biggest, biggest believer.

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  And then, other than that, would be Purpose.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Mine's Justice.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  You don't understand? I, that album, I texted it in my group chat today. "Front, period, to, period, back, period." And then I wrote, followed up, and it's that serious.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  And it's that serious. What was your favorite... Did you get to go to the Justice store?

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  Oh, sad.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  And I lost my virginity to Ghost.

• 1:19:04Speaker 05

  Oh my god, Jake.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't lose my virginity to Ghost, but I lost my virginity that night and I went home and Justice had come out. So I was like, let me just go listen to Justice. And I listened to Ghost on repeat in my bed, which made sense for the guy I lost my virginity to.

• 1:19:21Speaker 05

  Right. What was, what's your favorite song off that album?

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  A Ghost, of course. But I love Off My Face. I love As I Am. I love, um...

• 1:19:32Speaker 05

  Oh, you're gonna be like, are you gonna cry at Coachella?

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Stop it. Um, I love, um, what, uh, You Are The Only...

• 1:19:41Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, Anyone. I love that song.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  Um, I found my dad is having an affair with my stepmom via text messages. Well...

• 1:19:50Speaker 05

  Wait, what?

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  What? So he's having an affair on your stepmom or with your stepmom?

• 1:19:56Speaker 04

  Cheating on the stepmom.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Okay. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. And he's freaking out so much that he's offering to pay my rent for the next six months. Period. So, like, what do I do? Because I'm not super shocked this happened, but I actually really like my stepmom. But damn, mama could really use that rent. Help.

• 1:20:13Speaker 05

  I would say, if you're really close with your dad, it's probably about having a conversation with your dad and being like, look, I don't feel comfortable knowing this information. Please stop trying to bribe me into like, not saying anything. I think it's a conversation of saying, it's not fair for you to ask me to keep this a secret when it's such a big deal. I do have respect for my stepmom and I really like her. It's on you to have a conversation with her. I'm not gonna tell you you have to do it tomorrow, but if you don't have a conversation with her...

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  I will. And rent will help.

• 1:20:48Speaker 05

  And rent could keep me quiet for like, the next six weeks.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Right. I would take the rent. If I were you, I would take the rent.

• 1:20:56Speaker 05

  But is it take the rent and don't say anything? Because that seems a little mean.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Take the rent and be like, at the end of the six months when you're paying the rent, like, say something. Like, that's what I would do.

• 1:21:09Speaker 05

  I don't think it's about the person saying something. I think it's about having the conversation with the dad to be like, "You need to say something like this is your relationship and you're disrespecting the person that you're married to."

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Thousand.

• 1:21:19Speaker 05

  And the fact that your own child has to even tell you that is beyond me, but.

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  You know, I think it's about saying like, "You're better than this and have a conversation with her."

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  I wonder what I would prescribe for that. Maybe, what's that movie with Cameron Diaz, Nicki Minaj?

• 1:21:36Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, The Other Woman?

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  The Other Woman.

• 1:21:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  Best.

• 1:21:38Speaker 05

  Great movie.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Best. Jake, and gorgeous guest, you. "I'm a brand new mother, 14 months, and my husband is very heavily hinting that he wants to start our next. I do want more children. The issue is, your girl is exhausted. He's great, honestly, and helps a lot, but I don't think I'm ready to go through it again so soon. He's so sweet, but how do I bring this up to him without breaking his heart?"

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  It's your body. You have to just do what feels good for you. Carrying a baby and giving birth and the first whole entire year of motherhood is so intense and so crazy that

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  I would hope that your partner would be understanding enough to know that and know that it really should, it can be your decision together, but definitely there shouldn't be any pressure on when. And I think there's always like a kind and sensitive way to just say, "Hey, I'm not ready right now."

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  "I live with three other girls and one of them is so selfish, like hasn't brought anything to our living situation. On top of that, she's a pathological liar and always lies about her relationships. She's a total social climber, literally, how do I manage living through the rest of the semester or possibly humble her?"

• 1:22:45Speaker 05

  Just have an honest conversation.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  That doesn't work for everyone, especially liars.

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  I'm saying, oh, sorry, run that back. She said she's a crazy liar.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:56Speaker 05

  Okay, I missed that. I missed that.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, pathological liar.

• 1:22:58Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I know, and she's stuck for the rest of the semester.

• 1:23:03Speaker 05

  Dealing with a pathological liar is crazy. I can't stand a liar and I catch them every single time.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Do you call them out?

• 1:23:11Speaker 05

  Liars?

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:12Speaker 05

  Of course. If it's like a bad enough situation, like.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  I hate people that lie.

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  Okay, I mean, listen, I think we all like are capable of telling lies and lying and little white lies, but like, an actual pathological liar that you can like catch?

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  It's a different breed.

• 1:23:27Speaker 05

  That continues to then. Don't get me started because it like pisses me off to no end.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Start.

• 1:23:35Speaker 05

  Start.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  What's the craziest lie you've ever caught someone in?

• 1:23:38Speaker 05

  I can't stand a person who is the, I didn't say that.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, like sleeper cell. Like I'm like, I, because you did say that.

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  No, no, but you very blatantly did say that and then, and then it makes you feel super crazy because then I'm like, well, did, did they not? Like that is my least favorite thing ever.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes, I, I get really angry too. I also like can't lie because um, like my OCD is very like, you like, I'm very like a superstitious.

• 1:24:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  So like if I lie, I'll get bad luck. Like if I like tell this lie, like bad things will happen because I'm like.

• 1:24:14Speaker 05

  I just also think the older you get, you realize how much easier it is to just own up to something and move past it than it is to lie and keep the lie going.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  Like I get anxiety when I'm watching TV shows and they're lying, lying, lying, lying and covering it up. And I'm like, do you know how much? Carrie, you lied. No, I didn't. Yes, you did.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Texted me last, she texted me last night. I can't believe, because somebody said to her, you lied and she said.

• 1:24:39Speaker 05

  I'm like, the amount of times Carrie on Homeland, somebody will say to her, you lied to me. And she goes, no, I didn't. Yes, you did.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:46Speaker 05

  Like I get like anxiety for characters in TV shows when I'm like, do you know how much easier this would be if you just?

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Told the truth.

• 1:24:53Speaker 05

  Told the truth. Like this lie is going to like spiral out of control and it's going to be a crazy thing. That like gives me anxiety for people that are made up.

• 1:25:01Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think of like, I just, I also just watched a show where that happened and I, maybe it was beast in me. I forget, but I remember being like, I've never felt this type of way ever in my entire life.

• 1:25:14Speaker 05

  No, I get so much anxiety about it. I'm like, just deal with it. Tell the truth.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Do you watch Industry?

• 1:25:19Speaker 05

  Mm-mm.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Okay, that's like a theme in Industry. You would love Industry.

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  I need to start it. I've been seeing so much about it. I, maybe that's my next watch.

• 1:25:26Speaker 01

  It's, she's seen it twice through.

• 1:25:28Speaker 05

  It's so good.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  It's like, you, you will. She'll love Yaz.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Your Roman Empire is going to be yas.

• 1:25:36Speaker 05

  Whatever that means.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  No, like you are going to love her. It is the best show on television.

• 1:25:41Speaker 05

  Okay, great.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  It's the best show on television.

• 1:25:42Speaker 05

  Oh my god, love. Yay.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  And there's three seasons to watch and it just started before.

• 1:25:46Speaker 05

  More for me and Jake to text about.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Yes, before Road was available on Sephora.

• 1:25:51Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, you like said me broke.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  Do you remember?

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  You'd be like, hey, like I really need more glazing milk. It's my favorite product. And what did I do?

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  You said it to me on a Sunday.

• 1:25:59Speaker 05

  Because me and Jake, we met at the gym.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  We did.

• 1:26:02Speaker 05

  This is, we actually should give our backstory. I met Jake at ALO Yoga. It sounds very LA.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  But it's the truth.

• 1:26:09Speaker 05

  But it's the truth. We met at the gym and you just have such a gorgeous personality. And you're so fun and so funny. And I was like, I like him.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I like you.

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  And here we are.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Well, speaking of fitness and ALO, this question is, I really need to turn around my fitness goals for this year. Jake, and presuming sexy guest, I've noticed you've been working out a ton and want to know your take on motivation. I have none. I can't get out of bed in the morning unless I have to, and I'm not like sad or anxious. I'm just like kind of not putting in the effort. What are some pointers for getting that discipline back? Thanks. Mine is like toxic. So, but I'm just gonna say it. Like you have to look at people you're jealous of. Like you have to. Like I wasn't gonna work out the other day and somebody popped up on my feed. They were working out. I was jealous of them. It was another gay guy and I was like, I have to get my ass up.

• 1:27:02Speaker 05

  You were like, I gotta do it.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  And also there be, tell me if you disagree, but there comes.

• 1:27:06Speaker 05

  I don't think that has to be seen as jealousy. I think that could be seen as like motivation.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  Thousand.

• 1:27:12Speaker 05

  I actually really appreciate your honesty about it being about jealousy because I think that's so honest. But it also is just motivation.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:20Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  My thing is like, also I, I, I got to a point, tell me if you disagree, when, when I started working out where like, it actually like, I felt better in the head.

• 1:27:31Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. It's amazing for your mental.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  And when you start working out because it makes you feel better in the head. Because you're thinking less about your body.

• 1:27:41Speaker 05

  A hundred percent.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  It comes like this.

• 1:27:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  Louise literally looked at me and was like, I feel like everything you've been doing, like it all hit at once.

• 1:27:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  And it's because I switched my meds and I stopped thinking about my body as much.

• 1:27:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, everything was like working in sync, which is amazing. Like the mind, body, soul, body connection is so real. And I think when you do, when you're somebody who doesn't work out and then you do start working out, I think when that clicks for you, that everything is so connected. You start to be like, oh my God, I feel better here. I feel better here. My body feels better. And then also you start seeing results and that wants you, makes you want to keep going. Cause you're like, I look good. I feel good from the inside to the outside and it's all one big connection. I guess my advice for that person would be start slow. Start with little things. Go for a 20 minute walk. Like literally just start by going for a walk, walking 20 minutes on the treadmill, whatever it is. You don't have to start by going to like hit classes.

• 1:28:39Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? I think people think they have to sweat and like do a crazy thing. It's like, you really don't have to do all that. You can start slow. Try something new. Like take it step by step. Start by walking, then try like a class or try, you know, Pilates or something that's a little bit more easy or just like go, just go slow.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  I feel like the misconception with working out and you just like touched on this is that like faster and harder and sweatier means you're losing more weight. Not true.

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  Not at all.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Do you do 12 330?

• 1:29:11Speaker 05

  Um, no.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Okay. So that's what I started doing.

• 1:29:14Speaker 05

  I've done it before. I don't know that I would call it 12 330. Like I just would do incline walking.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  But that, that like is the magic trick, walking.

• 1:29:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. Walking is just when I, after I had my son, the first thing I started doing was walking. When I was like trying to lose the rest of my baby weight, I started with walking. I started doing like a lot of like rehab, like super slow, meticulous. I didn't get in the gym and start doing jumping jacks. Cause I felt like you can't, you feel like your whole entire insides are going to fall out. You start jumping after you have a baby, but I started with walking. I'm like, I love walking and the Stairmaster. I'm a big Stairmaster fan.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Stairmaster eats.

• 1:29:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Um, my ex is doing all this weird shit to get my attention and it's driving me crazy. He keeps dropping off like dead ass mixtapes on my porch, coming by my work to order food like almost every day. He doesn't even order from me. Oh, I guess this is person is a service worker. And my friend told me he's trying to grow out a beard for me. Like, I've never even indicated that I'd be into that sort of thing. I feel like I'm going crazy.

• 1:30:18Speaker 05

  Well, that sounds like-

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Maybe a restraining order.

• 1:30:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna say, that sounds like a person you've obviously had clear conversations with and is just not respecting that. Um, that's a tough one. Can't say I've been in that one before.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  Well, I definitely have it, because you know I've never had a boyfriend?

• 1:30:35Speaker 05

  Right, we've talked about this.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  Sure we have.

• 1:30:39Speaker 05

  But you wanna know why I don't think that's sad? Because then I think what's gonna happen is you're gonna like meet the one.

• 1:30:47Speaker 05

  And then it's just gonna be like your beautiful story. I didn't really date like that. I didn't have like multiple boyfriends in my lifetime before I got married.

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  But I'm 26.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  So, you have a whole life ahead of you. But that's what I'm trying to say is like, that just means to me that when you do end up in a relationship, it's gonna be like a really beautiful like- Because it's like you'll have like waited to be in that special thing with that special person.

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:31:13Speaker 05

  You told me 29 was so young. You're 26, like, we're babies.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  We are babies. Wait, are In Sex and the City, are they all like 30?

• 1:31:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  Wow, maybe-

• 1:31:24Speaker 05

  They're all like 32, I think. Like, they're a little bit, yeah, they're, they're in their 30s.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  And it's that, you like the show?

• 1:31:31Speaker 05

  I loved the show.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  Like, you laughed out loud at the show?

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  I did.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:37Speaker 05

  We're gonna start texting about Carrie.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Okay, I think, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it a go. Well, I'm doing the Americans now. I'm on my spy kick.

• 1:31:44Speaker 05

  Great, love that.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Didn't you dress up as spies for Halloween once? This year.

• 1:31:48Speaker 05

  No, last year we were Kim Possible.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's what I'm thinking of.

• 1:31:51Speaker 05

  And then this year we were the Incredibles.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  That's what I'm thinking of. And Jack was Jack.

• 1:31:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was so cute. He was like the little.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  That is really cute.

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  And I dressed him up as baby Justin, which was like so cute and funny.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  I mean, that rocked my world.

• 1:32:04Speaker 05

  It was crazy.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  That rocked my world.

• 1:32:05Speaker 05

  It was so funny.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  Hi Jake, I love you. Love you. My cousin and I were best friends our whole life. We lived together and spent all our time together. I have had a boyfriend for five years and I've always made time to hang out with her. She's had multiple boyfriends and every single time she gets one, she ditches me and never hangs out with me. That's literally gonna be me. Never even texts, calls, or anything. She always comes crawling back whenever her and her, whatever boyfriend she has at the time breaks up. What the fuck do I do? How do I stop letting her come back and use me when it's convenient for her? Well, I'm the cousin, so I can't. I can't give advice on this.

• 1:32:38Speaker 05

  I guess my question would be, have you told your cousin how you feel and that you feel like she comes back to like user relationship when it's convenient for her? I think, I just think you can never lose by being honest. When you go to somebody that you have a close relationship with and say, hey, this is how you've been making me feel and I just need to say it and have a conversation with you because like what do you lose by being honest? They don't have to agree with you. They could be offended by what you say, but what do you lose by being honest?

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  I guess maybe for people that are people pleasers.

• 1:33:12Speaker 05

  Which I am, by the way. I'm like the most massive people pleaser, but the older that I've gotten, it has gotten easier for me to just, because, because I've so much more thought, well, what do I have to lose? If you get mad at me for expressing myself and laying out a boundary, then you're not really supposed to be here anyway and I should know that, right?

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  I think people that, like when I used to be scared of that, it's like, I feel like maybe I'm dismantling the entire relationship we've built because it's built on me not being honest with you and me pleasing your interests. You know what I mean?

• 1:33:44Speaker 05

  But people are allowed to change. So maybe it was built on that in the beginning because you didn't have the confidence or the... Personal boundaries to be able to say what you needed to say or do that, but you're you've grown, your older time has gone on. So like you've evolved into a person that now can do that. I'm only saying this out of personal being able to relate to that. And I feel like it got even crazier for me after I had a kid, whereas like before it was really hard for me to be to set really clear boundaries with people because I was I'm such a people pleaser and I struggle with that. I'm like, I don't want them to get mad. I hate people being mad at me.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  More than anything.

• 1:34:20Speaker 05

  I hate people being mad at me. I get such bad anxiety. I hate feeling like I have issues with people like I hate it, hate it, hate it. Like I would rather squash anything, figure anything out just to like have like clear slates with anyone and everyone.

• 1:34:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  And then I realized as I got older, it's just like, that's just not possible with every single person because everybody's different and we have different views and different opinions and you grow away from people and you, you know, have to be able to set clear boundaries. And after I had my son, I was just like, wait, it's so much easier to just

• 1:34:58Speaker 05

  draw a line and be like, hey, I actually like, that doesn't work for me anymore. And that doesn't make me feel comfortable. And like, I'm not, I'm not doing this anymore.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  Is it because you feel like you have this like person that like you created and like you're taken care of so you can like, um, not, not like rationalize, but like maybe like ground yourself?

• 1:35:20Speaker 05

  I think what it is, is a couple of different things. I think you are their advocate. And then it may, for me personally, it made me realize I'm his advocate. Therefore, I'm my also my own advocate. And if I would stick up for him in any situation, like I would never, ever, ever let.

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  As a parent, you're so protective of your kid and I'm like, it made me that protective of myself.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:49Speaker 05

  Too.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:35:50Speaker 05

  If I'm his advocate, I can be my own advocate. If I could stand up and say anything to anybody for him, then I can do it for myself. And listen, I've always been the type of person where I have a strong personality. And when you push me to a certain point, I'm gonna say what I need to say. Like, I'm not shy about, and I never was. I'm the type of person where, yes, I've struggled with being a people pleaser, wanted people to like me. I hated ruffling feathers. I was like, not super confrontational. But with the people I trust and I'm close to, if you wanna go there, we can go there. And like, if you push me, then I'm gonna go there. It's just that I'm at a point in my life now

• 1:36:31Speaker 05

  where it doesn't take much for me to go there. I'm not gonna hold back how I feel about a situation. And I think I've just been in situations in my life where I've tried and tried constantly over and over again, put myself out there with certain people, like, did the same thing over and over until I've just, was pushed to a point where I'm like, I'm gonna just say what I need to say. Because like, this has reached a point where now you're like, taking advantage and I can't.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  What is it like to not want conflict and be a people pleaser? When you are a public person, your job is public and like, people get upset over things that you didn't intend?

• 1:37:10Speaker 05

  It's a struggle. You know what I mean? I, I still am a people pleaser. I'm still somebody who, I want people to like me. I want, I think it's actually, it's, it's turned into more of like, I, I wanna be understood. And I think that it's so easy to misunderstand people and pick things apart and see like a tiny sliver of such a bigger picture. Um, and I do think I've realized that there's just...

• 1:37:36Speaker 05

  No explaining yourself, no amount of explaining yourself. I think I used to struggle so much with over explaining myself and trying to explain who I am to people and like, white, this wasn't my intention and this wasn't, that's not what happened and this is, and that's not the truth and but this is, but it really doesn't make a difference at all. And it took me so many years to realize that and I still struggle with it sometimes, but at a certain point you have to be able to just be like, okay, and just keep it moving and move on. It doesn't mean it hurts any less. It doesn't mean that it doesn't bother me any less, but I think you, you deal with it for so many years that you have to be able to be like, okay, but then also, again, having boundaries and protecting yourself is also okay, and it's also

• 1:38:21Speaker 05

  completely fair to stick up for yourself when you feel that it's necessary. I think it's about like picking your battles, but

• 1:38:30Speaker 05

  I still struggle with being a people pleaser. I don't, I don't know that that's ever gonna just like magically disappear one day.

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz at the end of the day, it's like, that's who you are.

• 1:38:40Speaker 05

  It is, it is. I think like innately, we wanna, I don't even wanna say be liked, but I think like, we wanna feel connected to each other. And I think when you feel like somebody doesn't like you, it feels like you're disconnected from that person and like, they aren't giving you the chance to connect.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Like, you like think maybe like you're doing something wrong too. You're like, what am I doing wrong? That like isn't allowing this like puzzle piece to work.

• 1:39:05Speaker 05

  A lot like, well, what did I ever do to you? It makes you feel like that you've done something to make them not like you. And I think that's on like a massive level when you're in the public because it's like, well, what the fuck did I ever do to you? I don't even know you. And then it's that times like millions of people. And then you get caught up in a cycle of constantly trying to prove yourself. I'm here to prove why you should like me and like why I didn't do that thing that you said that I'm doing. It, it can be like really mentally exhausting and crazy.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  Do you have anyone you like go to for like advice?

• 1:39:39Speaker 05

  I mean, I have friends that are in, you know,

• 1:39:43Speaker 05

  Similar position and have been in it way longer than I have and they get it more than anybody does. So I feel happy and grateful that I have people that I can, that can totally relate to it and be like, yep, totally get it, feel the exact same way. It's so annoying. At least we have each other to vent.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  What's the best advice you've ever been given on like your like career in life and like being frustrated?

• 1:40:08Speaker 05

  Not responding is probably the best. Every time I've wanted to react to something or respond to something in a space where I was worked up about it and I went to a friend that was like, do not respond to this, do not react to this, as hard as that is, they always ended up being right. That not reacting and not responding was the best thing to do and just ignoring and keeping life moving because the reality is people will be on to something else. They'll, they'll move on to the next subject. They'll move on to the next thing. And I think a big mistake that I've made many times in my life was like responding or reacting and explaining myself and then like making the situation way bigger.

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:50Speaker 05

  You know?

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Well, Haley, what did we learn today?

• 1:40:53Speaker 05

  That Carrie is manic.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  She is, she is manic. We learned that you love your supplements.

• 1:41:02Speaker 05

  Love my supplements, love my vitamins, all of it.

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  And that I need to try Bossa Nova Brazilian cuisine.

• 1:41:07Speaker 05

  And that you need to try Bossa Nova. What's your favorite like protein? Do you like chicken?

• 1:41:11Speaker 01

  What a great question. What's my favorite protein?

• 1:41:14Speaker 05

  You just said before you don't like pizza because you love protein.

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Which by the way.

• 1:41:17Speaker 05

  Which is what we learned today.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Which is by the way, a lie. Like that, I think I was just pulling anything to like excuse why I don't like pizza. Um, I think chicken. I think like a good chicken thigh, like a juicy, charred, grilled, spiced chicken thigh.

• 1:41:35Speaker 05

  Yum. Yeah, I'm so with you on that.

• 1:41:37Speaker 01

  What's your favorite protein?

• 1:41:40Speaker 05

  Can this be the opener teaser? Can this be the teaser for the episode? So what's your favorite protein? I would say chicken as well.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 1:41:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 1:41:48Speaker 05

  Chicken is really good.

• 1:41:49Speaker 01

  Well, thank you for being my season premiere.

• 1:41:53Speaker 05

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 1:41:55Speaker 05

  I love you. We've been talking about this for so long.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  I know, and we need to. We finally made our pen pal relationship real.

• 1:42:02Speaker 05

  It's so real because Jake sends me screenshots between him and his love interests. And it's like, what do I do? What do I say? And I'm like, I was like, oh, I thought, I thought what he said was like, kind of really nice. No, it's not.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  That's the worst part, though. I'm telling you, here's my plan. I'm gonna go back in three months.

• 1:42:22Speaker 05

  He sent me something and I was like, well, at least he was really honest with you. Like, I think that's...

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  And what did I say?

• 1:42:27Speaker 05

  And you were like, here, let's read it. Hold on.

• 1:42:30Speaker 04

  We've been for, you know that this is after one date, right?

• 1:42:34Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Wait, yeah.

• 1:42:37Speaker 05

  No judgment. That is totally fine. But what I am gonna say is, is it, okay, let me ask you this, actually, because now we have some of the details. Is it, do you, did you feel like crazy rejected or something? Because he hung out with you one time and you felt like he made a decision about you and hadn't given you the chance to get to know you enough?

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  Um, I said some pretty outrageous and outlandish things.

• 1:42:58Speaker 05

  Okay, so you said this. Texted me, morning, woke up to this. Literally feel physically ill. And then I said, OMG, I mean, props for the honesty. You said, I don't buy it, but yeah.

• 1:43:15Speaker 01

  Cause I don't. I don't.

• 1:43:17Speaker 05

  And then, and then follow up text. Two questions for you. Is it okay if I wear road eye patches in my promo video for season three of Therapists? Yes. I'm not gonna read the text. Now I feel like I'm like, oh, you sent me another one. You said...

• 1:43:36Speaker 05

  Holy shit. Homeland time after the worst weekend of my life.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it was the worst. I was a ma- I was.

• 1:43:45Speaker 05

  First of all, he sends me screenshots of this text with this guy. The number isn't saved. I have this person's phone number. I could text him if I wanted to. And then you go for context on my horrible weekend. Where you said, "We went on one date."

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  I see, I did. At least I'm, at least I'm somewhat honest.

• 1:44:02Speaker 05

  And I said, "Dating is truly hell."

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  It's hell.

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  It's hell. And then you said, "Sorry, I know you don't care, but we'll literally talk to anybody about this situation who will listen." And then I say, "No, I care."

• 1:44:20Speaker 05

  "No, I care. We'll talk about it with you all day if you needed me to."

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  How nice. She's like, "Go get fucked." I go, "Seriously, please catch a deck."

• 1:44:30Speaker 05

  And then we just jump right back into Homeland.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Of course. You need to start industry. That is what we.

• 1:44:34Speaker 05

  Okay, I will. I will, I will, I will.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  But we do need a show that we watch together.

• 1:44:38Speaker 05

  You know what I will say about this guy is that maybe you guys can circle back to it in like a little bit. And like, maybe when he doesn't feel like it was so intense.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  Listen to her, please.

• 1:44:50Speaker 05

  I'll send you road eye patches.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  And among other things, she's also launching pimple patches.

• 1:44:56Speaker 05

  Whatever you want, just to give him another chance.

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  Glazing milk, glazing spray.

• 1:45:01Speaker 05

  You're a catch. 10 out of 10.

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  Stop it.

• 1:45:04Speaker 05

  And if he doesn't want to hang out with you again, then his loss, your loss.

• 1:45:08Speaker 01

  And mine.

• 1:45:09Speaker 05

  Jake, stop.

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  And mine. Pussies, thank you for joining us for the premiere of season three with the one and only Hailey Bieber.

• 1:45:18Speaker 05

  Thanks for watching.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 1:45:20Speaker 05

  Bye, pussies.