Six degrees of 'Lawnmower Man'

The Vergecast is a discussion of all things relevant and irreverent in the worlds of art, culture, science, and technology — and anything else that pops into the twisted minds of this week's hosts. Join Joshua Topolsky, Ross Miller, and T. C. Sottek for a scintillating discussion on latest tech news. On this week's episode, we talk about how cable network oligopolies and the FCC are ruining the internet, whether the new Samsung Gear line is what consumers have been waiting for, and how Google is slowly buying up an entire town. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:21Speaker 00

  Hey, hey, and welcome to The Vergecast.

• 0:26Speaker 00

  Welcome to The Vergecast of the week of February 24th, 2014. I'm Josh Topolsky.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  I'm Ross Miller.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  I'm TC Sodik.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  I think you just realized what you're wearing.

• 0:34Speaker 00

  I just realized how good this looks on me.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  He's not actually Josh, he's Lady Rider Topolsky.

• 0:39Speaker 00

  I don't mind saying, this is, before The Vergecast started today, just before, I mean, literally moments ago, I said, we're in the studio here at Vox Media, the Vox Media empire in beautiful midtown Manhattan, I said, is there anything here I can wear? I think I might have specifically requested a vest. Did I request a vest? Could someone in the control room tell me?

• 1:06Speaker 01

  You absolutely did.

• 1:06Speaker 00

  I specifically requested a vest. Why did I request a vest?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Why did?

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Because vests are fancy.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't need no reason.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Oh, we were talking about Thomas Jefferson.

• 1:16Speaker 00

  Thomas Jefferson had a cool vest. And I was like, man, I wish I had a vest right now. And I said, do we have any vests here? And like, what's crazy is, yes, we have a vest. And it is a woman's motorcycle vest with like, ladies motorcycle patches on it.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Lady Rider.

• 1:38Speaker 00

  This one says Lady Rider, this one says Born to be Wild here.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  I like the one on the bottom that says, it ain't easy to be me.

• 1:43Speaker 00

  It ain't easy to be. Like, I don't know what lady owned this, but I think her and I have something in common.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Which is, it's hard to be either one of us.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  It's not that norm for us.

• 1:53Speaker 00

  But I do feel like I'm embodying some of her spirit right now. You know what's surprising about a leather vest?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Comfortable?

• 1:58Speaker 00

  Well, it actually gets pretty warm in there. It's actually pretty toasty right here. Vests are confusing to me, because it's like, your body is burning hot, but then your extremities are freezing. Like, well, at least we saved his torso. Like, what's the...

• 2:13Speaker 02

  It's all about the core, though. You know, like, people strengthen their core.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  You gotta get your core going.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  You gotta keep it warmed up.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  It's like, I wanted to wear like, a leather wife beater, but that felt uncouth, so...

• 2:20Speaker 00

  As a new father...

• 2:21Speaker 01

  I'm just kind of making it an outside thing.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  You have to keep that creamy, you got the core.

• 2:23Speaker 00

  As a new father, TC...

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Are we gonna talk about this?

• 2:26Speaker 00

  As a new father, I learned actually that you want to feel the baby's core to get a sense, to get a sense of her temperature.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Like riding a solar plexus, right?

• 2:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, you want to get, you just get right in there. No, you want, that's, you want to feel the baby's core to get a sense of the baby's temperature. You can't really tell by the extremities. The baby has a vest-like quality is what I'm saying. The core is important, but everything else is like a misleading.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  So as you can tell, Josh has a, has a new addition.

• 2:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I just bought a bunch of new addition records and I gotta tell you, and I gotta tell you, were well worth the money. And by the way, vinyl, that sound, analog, sweet analog honey pouring into your mouth, and ears. Uh, yeah, I have a, well, we, I don't, we don't have to talk about this. Oh, first off, so Neelai is sick?

• 3:07Speaker 01

  He is a sick, he's really badly sick.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  I've been told Neelai is very ill and not like in the cool funky way.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  He said he's sorry, he wanted to make it, he wanted to yell, rant, rave, he has no voice.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  He's so sad about the internet, he contracted lupus.

• 3:18Speaker 00

  He did, he did like the ultimate.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Comcast gave him.

• 3:20Speaker 00

  He did, I'm gonna take this vest off in a second, cause I keep, I keep seeing it in the camera and I'm like, this, like, it's pretty uncool, this look.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Right, well Ross has to wear it.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  A leather vest.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Whatever.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, we can all wear the vest, at least once.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  Okay. Um, but I have to say, like, a leather vest is like a pretty uncool look overall. Oh, you're gonna feel something.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  What does it say on the back?

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's, let's see, I'm sorry. Love to, love to ride.

• 3:46Speaker 00

  Love to ride.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  High maintenance, is that a 420 joke?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Uh, no.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  I feel like love to ride has dual meanings.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  TC, TC, I'm not spoiled, I'm justly rewarded and I'm perfect, just the way I am.

• 3:56Speaker 00

  I'm perfect just the way I am. Wait, what is this one? Life is good? This is pretty positive.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  High maintenance, that's a 420, that's a 420 joke. Go try it on, see how it feels. It's a large lady, I have to say, like, that, that's the wrong way, that's the wrong way. You can't do, don't be funny. I want to see you in the vest.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  You want to see me, actually, alright, hold on.

• 4:12Speaker 00

  Just get, just get it on. Um, but what was I talking about?

• 4:16Speaker 02

  You made something.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  A kid, you made a child.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, whatever. No, no, yeah, whatever, I have a baby.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Whatever, there's a baby.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  But, uh, what I was actually trying to say is, um.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  It's no iPhone.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  I don't know what this means. Billy just saw, just sent me a message, he said, "We have a baby Photoshop clip from On The Verge if we want it."

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Oh, what?

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Oh, is that the one where I made you a baby?

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  From way back?

• 4:40Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, we want it, we want it.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  Okay, fine, whatever. Okay, I guess you can show whatever that is. Oh, look at my old me.

• 4:50Speaker 00

  Did we do this?

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yes, we did.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  Why did I agree to this?

• 4:59Speaker 00

  Here's our first baby.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, yes, beautiful baby.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Who wouldn't want to have this?

• 5:06Speaker 00

  Very uncomfortable childbirth. Why were we thinking of this? Of course, but what could this child's name be in the future? I'm thinking probably something like, I don't know, Zyboard Topolski? Yeah, that looks good. I don't understand this at all.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 5:21Speaker 00

  I'm like, I gotta tell you, that wasn't that long ago.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Remember this Zyboard?

• 5:24Speaker 00

  I have no idea what the joke was there. What was the point of that?

• 5:28Speaker 02

  It was 4G LTE Optimus Epic Miller or something.

• 5:31Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. That was very good.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  Anyhow, great trip down. My baby does not look like that.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 5:40Speaker 00

  First off, my baby's a female, so if she had a beard...

• 5:43Speaker 01

  So the beard comes later?

• 5:44Speaker 00

  She had a beard, I'd be pretty...

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Okay. I'm sorry, I love...

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Can't believe you just dissed my daughter.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  I'm not dissing your daughter.

• 5:50Speaker 00

  Now I get real defensive about shit like that. How dare you, sir?

• 5:54Speaker 02

  The vest makes you...

• 5:54Speaker 00

  That's my daughter you're talking about.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Life is good, man.

• 5:58Speaker 00

  LG, LG, life's good. Anyhow. So Neelai wrote this piece this week. It's called Changing Gears, by the way.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  Neelai wrote this piece, the ultimate... To me, it's like the ultimate Neelai. This is his ultimate rant.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:16Speaker 00

  Like, he just gets right to it in the headline.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Are we allowed to say this?

• 6:20Speaker 00

  "The Internet is Fucked" is the name of the piece.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Like, this was the first headline before he wrote anything else. Like, we're just gonna do a piece called "The Internet is Fucked."

• 6:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's definitely a conversation.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  We received at least 500 emails from people who can't deal with the F-word.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  It was definitely a conver... whatever. That's like, that's their problem. That's a you problem, not a me problem.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Like, they're totally fine with the government just fucking them. Non-stop.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  They're like, I...

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Fucking is an action.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  No, but they're like, I agree with your piece, we're in terrible shape, but I really take issue with the use of the word "fucked." They're like, this is why I petitioned for more censorship. Anyhow, I don't know.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  But I like, interestingly, it's exactly why the FCC is so fucked up.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  Because they care more about Janet Jackson's nipple.

• 7:01Speaker 00

  Right.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  And people saying naughty things on television than.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Well, we're also getting reports like we had the same. We said, like, if you want to unfuck the internet, call this number. And I think we had this image at some point, but uh,

• 7:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Uh, if you wanted, there it is. Uh, if you want to unfuck the internet, call this number. But people who were calling it, we heard, uh, the FCC was saying they have no control over regulating the internet, which seems counter to what.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  This is like when you call, this is exactly like when you call Verizon. And you're like, can I, you're like, are you guys going to get the new LG, you know, Optimus, whatever. And they're like, yes, we have that in stock. And you're like, but it's not even released yet. And they're like, we can order that for you right now. And then like, we get emails from people who have those conversations. They're like, a rep told me that they've got the new phone in stock right now, or just some weird, bad information that doesn't make any sense because they don't have the right stuff to tell you. That was a bad example. Okay. It's like when you're like, hey, can I upgrade my phone for free? And they're like, definitely. And then like, you do it. And they send you a bill for 300.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  It's like when you call your government and say, I want to have my voice heard because it's democracy. And they're like, no, that's, that's cool.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  They're like, you're, this is actually is not a democracy.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  No. Press, press zero for movie time.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  Please stop calling. You can't do that. Movie phone's out of business.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  That's right. 25 years.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  But anyhow, everybody should read, everybody should read this piece. Like, in all seriousness, like, we're having a good time here and having a laugh. And we're allowed to do that because the internet is currently like relatively open at this moment.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  For now.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  But like, in the future, in the future, that is like, quickly rushing up to meet us, um, and the future and the ongoing politics and stuff that Neelai outlines here, we're in really a bad spot. And, and if we don't have some serious regulation from our government that makes it clear that the internet is a utility that everybody needs to have free and open access to, we are, like, businesses like ours probably can't exist down the road. Like, and that may sound reactionary or, you know, paranoid, but I think that, you know, you get into a situation where, when the Netflix's of the world have to cut, like, side deals to get their content across the stuff that you already pay for.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  It starts to suggest a lot of crazy, very bad situations that are coming down the road.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  YouTube would never have happened in this kind of.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  You can't be a small player and be competing with big players. The beauty of the internet is small players can compete with big players all the time because they're on even ground. And you take away the even ground. You know, business, small businesses, medium sized businesses, all sorts of businesses are at risk and the consumer and the people who actually need to utilize this as a utility are, are going to be, you know, we're gonna, we're putting up barriers to information and barriers to content and to the things that they need. And, and I think that it's being done in a way that is completely unregulated, completely, everybody's just kind of flying by the seat of their pants. Right.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  And, and the FCC doesn't seem to have, they don't seem to have a legitimate, they don't, first of all, they don't seem to have legitimate power here and they don't seem to have any real interest in, in actually saying, we have a ruling on what net neutrality is, we have an opinion on it, we have a way to get there, like no one there is really saying it. And it's scary. And if you read Neil's piece, you'll be, you should be scared and angry.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, the FCC does, definitely does have the authority.

• 10:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  To do it.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  I mean, they might, they might, they might technically have the authority, but they don't seem to like be willing to utilize it.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  No, they're afraid.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it is all like, at, at the end of the day, just like everything in this country, when it's really getting screwed up and it sucks, it is corporate interests being favored over the interests of the people. And we gotta stop it. So I suggest violent revolution right now. Take to the streets with weapons of any, of whatever type you want.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  And it should, it should be.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  And show those, show those guys who's boss.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  You know, it's, it should be a pretty uncontroversial point, too. It's not like people who want free internet are saying corporations are all evil, they should never make any money, you know, anything like that. It's just that somehow we've allowed, you know, two or three companies to basically dominate the entire internet.

• 11:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  And it's like, imagine if, you know, Comcast owned most of the highways in the country and didn't let you like.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  That's probably next.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  They were like, oh, you wanna go to Nebraska? It's like, no.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, wait, wait. Highways are not a public utility. You can walk on the grass.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  They're definitely a public utility. They're interstate highway system.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  That's the argument, that's the argument you're making.

• 11:23Speaker 00

  Did you button up in there? Why don't you let him try it on?

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Ross, this vest would never have existed if not for the interstate highway system.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  That's right. You could, well, you certainly couldn't get on, on hog.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  That allows, that allows Rough Riders to stop, drop and open up shop anywhere they please.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Oh, no, you didn't.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Is it me now?

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Wait a second.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  I can't wear double.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, you can. No rules, there's no rules here. For now, there's no rules.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is, this is noncore.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  This is-

• 11:47Speaker 00

  I don't know that the stop, drop and open up shop.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  How are startups gonna stop, drop and start up shop?

• 11:54Speaker 00

  Are those, are those, is that, are those the actual lyrics?

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  I don't think that's actually covered by the openness of the highways. I just want you to know that. You gotta get permits and stuff to open up a shop.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  In fact, and in fact, you can't just put whatever you want along the highway.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  You heard it here first. You can't just open up a shop. Josh DePulsky says-

• 12:14Speaker 00

  You actually can't get, you can't, on the highway, you see there's designated rest areas.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  So you can't just stop and drop either?

• 12:20Speaker 00

  No, you can't stop, well, you can stop and drop at the designated area.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the internet, here's what the internet is gonna be like, the New Jersey Turnpike.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Wow, did we just get the Rough Riders?

• 12:29Speaker 00

  What's going on here? Oh, like how, by the way, I just wanna say like, like, earlier, earlier TC was like, can we just play Axolotl for the opening music? And, and Ross, like, we don't have the rights, but we do have the rights for that, no problem.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Well, video rights and audio rights are much, anyway.

• 12:43Speaker 00

  Are they? Not on the open internet. Everything is free. It looks good on you.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Like, I wasn't even hot in this jacket.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  That looks really good on you.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  It does. I'm gonna say it fits really well.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  What was that tweet? By the way, I have to say, so, so far, I think I've successfully derailed every topic we've tried to have. Uh, what was that tweet that was on screen? Was there a vest tweet on the screen?

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, with a-

• 13:01Speaker 00

  I thought I saw one. I'm not in control of what goes up on that screen.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  I'm not either. This is combat house.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  There it is.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Cable town.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes, we can all wear the vest.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  Is that supposed to rhyme?

• 13:11Speaker 01

  I don't know. I'm just gonna assume it.

• 13:12Speaker 00

  I don't know what that means. Is this a thing now, vest, the vest across America?

• 13:18Speaker 02

  Is it the plan that Raheem demands?

• 13:20Speaker 00

  There's so, let me tell you- I'm looking at this, I'm looking at this image of these three Macs here. There are some mad people, just see, there are people right now writing an email or, or forum post or comment, like, about the Verge guys using Macs.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, of course.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  How dare you?

• 13:35Speaker 02

  So, will I have a gaming PC at home? And so does Josh.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  I built a killer gaming PC.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, Josh does-

• 13:40Speaker 00

  Which I, which I am, which I never turn on because, because I never turn it on anymore because there's so many updates every time I turn it on, that I'm like, I'm just gonna leave this. Someone's calling me.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  How, how do you play DayZ then?

• 13:53Speaker 00

  So first off, I don't play games that require me to have a keyboard. Okay, that's number one. I'm not sitting in front of my large television with a keyboard on my lap in some kind of like trackball situation.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Noob. Dude, he uses a trackball.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  You have the fucking, you have the headset and the trackball.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Like even the nerdiest.

• 14:12Speaker 00

  You have one of those split keyboards, right?

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Even the nerdiest of nerdy PC gamers.

• 14:16Speaker 00

  This is like one of these guys right here.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Make fun of trackball players.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Trackball.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Trackball.

• 14:20Speaker 00

  This guy right here.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  Trackball's nasty. I think it's because it's all gunked up.

• 14:24Speaker 00

  I'm a mouse man myself. No, I mean, when it comes to, when it comes to operating, I actually used to be a mouse man. Now, now I'm just like, I guess I'll use the trackpad. But not for gaming. That's for bozos. I use one of those old joysticks you could get, like, remember the old PCs, how they cut like two buttons? That actually really makes me feel nostalgic because I had like 10 of those when I was like younger. I was like, you know, a loser nerd and I had some horrible joysticks. Then I hooked up to my XT. You know what? Anyhow, moving on.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  So yeah, reading Eli's piece, the internet is fucked.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  And I'm sure he'll.

• 14:58Speaker 00

  Exactly. Yes, this, I think, I think I actually own this. I think I actually have this joystick.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 15:03Speaker 00

  Or had it at some point.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  I missed this for the Gravis gamepad.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  So, so depressing to me. That like, I can actually like, there's a, there's like in place my mind goes to, that's like a very lonely kid. And it makes me so sad. It just makes me so sad.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Oh, do you guys want to call that FCC number live?

• 15:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just do.

• 15:23Speaker 00

  You want to call them?

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Ask what's up?

• 15:24Speaker 00

  You want to call them? I have a feeling this is going to get really boring really fast.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  I think so too.

• 15:27Speaker 00

  It's gonna be like, they're gonna put you on hold and then they're gonna actually, here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna, they're gonna, you're gonna say, I'd like to file a complaint. I'm worried about this. They're gonna be like, of course, like, you know, tell us what your problem is. And it's gonna be super boring and straightforward. We could do, we, what if we, what if we recreated what it might be like when you call them and they don't want to take your complaint?

• 15:49Speaker 00

  Could we get a phone ringing sound?

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:51Speaker 00

  Somebody picking it up? Okay. Hello FCC, how can I help you?

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 15:59Speaker 00

  Yes, this is the FCC. How may I help you?

• 16:02Speaker 02

  My grandson told me the internet is fucked.

• 16:07Speaker 00

  I'm sorry ma'am, I don't understand what you're saying.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  How do you?

• 16:13Speaker 00

  Why are you in a character?

• 16:17Speaker 00

  I don't understand why you aren't just, why weren't you just TC there?

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Cause I don't use the phone, personally.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  So how are you going to?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  I never call.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  You're gonna be in big trouble once Comcast shuts down the internet.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 16:28Speaker 00

  Uh, okay. Moving on. This is such a great, I think this is one of our best shows ever, I feel already.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  It's good to have you back.

• 16:36Speaker 00

  Um, it's good to be back.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  Although I am losing my voice, so this will be it for me.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  Uh, you want to talk about Samsung?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Let's talk about it a little bit, yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 00

  Call me crazy.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  I like this, I like the looks of this gear fit.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  No, I think it's great.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  I think it's cool looking.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Uh, Vlad had a great editorial, "The Gear Fit Is What Wearable Should Look Like", and I agree completely.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  The question of course is how it works.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Yes, and like battery life and like, is it functional?

• 17:00Speaker 00

  Anything can look sexy. But is it functional?

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  Right?

• 17:04Speaker 02

  It looks nice. It looks nice.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  I mean, it tells the time, has notifications, and you can read it.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  I just already feel like I can't be asked to use a smartphone anyway.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  So I don't know if I want it on my wrist also.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  Look, I would love to be getting more information down here.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  But I'd like to do it in a way that isn't gross.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Why don't you just get Google Glass?

• 17:22Speaker 00

  No, can I tell you something though? Can I, I have to say, two things that have occurred to me that are very vivid.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Oh no.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  As a father now with a, with a baby that needs to be fed with like a bottle and stuff.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  You're taking videos of glass.

• 17:35Speaker 00

  Photo-taking.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Oh man.

• 17:36Speaker 00

  When you do not have your hands free, seriously a problem. And doing things with the television, like I think I now understand why people are like, "Voice control."

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:46Speaker 00

  I think I now get it, it's for people with kids, it's for people with babies.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Is your baby?

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Who are like, "I'm doing this with the baby and like, I can't turn the TV on and I'm bored."

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Here's the question though.

• 17:54Speaker 00

  Because guess what? Babies, not really very interesting, they don't do very much. Here's, here's like, here's a thing that a baby does that's impressive. Makes eye contact with you. Like, that's a big, that's, that's a big deal.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  The baby made eye contact with me. I mean, dogs do that like day one.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  You know, you're like, the baby's looking at me. Mission accomplished. You know, like the babies really, they really are. It turns out they take a, it takes a while to really be able to do anything of, of use.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  So, so question though, what if, what if your baby's words, first words end up being like, okay, glass or like Xbox on?

• 18:34Speaker 02

  That's scary.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  I keep imagining what would happen.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  This is an artist rendering of the Topolsky family.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  I don't know what this is.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  They did a really good job.

• 18:44Speaker 00

  Babies are, babies are all kind of similar looking. I, I keep imagining the horrific scenario where, um, the baby, it's like, you know, three weeks old, where she says something at three weeks. Can you imagine just a little baby suddenly speaking to you? A newborn, a newborn speaking to you?

• 19:01Speaker 01

  But like it just starts from, like, hello, Josh.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  Maybe not that, but maybe it just is like, you know, chair or whatever. Where did you, how are you doing that?

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Say chair, hair.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, hairy. I don't think it's possible. But anyhow, it's scary. I wake up in the middle of the night. There, there I am, right there. I wake up in the middle of the night, sheets soaked with my sweat and frightened that the baby will say a word to me. Hey, like, hey, what is that? Who is that? It's the baby talking. Look who's talking now. I haven't had a lot of sleep. The gear fit, it seems pretty cool. I might just spit across.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  We're just like, we're like.

• 19:45Speaker 00

  Right into your beer, I'm just saying.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Can we just track zero to baby anytime?

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Uh, what's the price point of the gear fit? Do we know? What's the number?

• 19:51Speaker 02

  I don't think too much, whatever it is.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  What's too much to you?

• 19:55Speaker 02

  I'd say like 99 bucks.

• 19:56Speaker 00

  I have to say, look, this is cool. This is actually cool. Here's what I don't like about it. Um, it seems a little high, like a little like.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Thick, yeah.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  It would be really cool if you could put like a NATO strap on that. Like what's on my watch right now is a NATO strap.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Right, but that would, that would make it much wider, I assume, because this is, looks like a.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  Well, maybe, but it would happen. You can do, I mean, maybe, though, no, no, no. I mean, I mean, I mean, uh, this seems like high, tall.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? I think this is cool. Can you change the desktop on it, the back, I mean, the background?

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no price, there's no price yet.

• 20:29Speaker 00

  What did you say?

• 20:33Speaker 00

  What do you mean the wrong direction?

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Uh, for those who

• 20:35Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry, John is speaking to me in our, in my, in my earpiece. He said, isn't it the wrong direction? And I don't know what he means, but you mean it should be up and down instead of across? Don't know what that means. He said it should be perpendicular to your wrist. Oh, they have different bands.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  Oh, so you can change the band?

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. Well, no, that's, is that fit or is that the other gear? Cause there's three gears that came out this week.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  Oh, right. I don't think, is this the gear?

• 20:58Speaker 01

  That's fit. That's, I think that's

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Is the gear fit? Fit gear? Does anybody know? Those are really ugly.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  I will say every one of those bands is terrible.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  No, this is the gear, the regular gear.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Awful.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  Those bands are disgusting. The bands they just showed were sickening.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I, I get that, like, I like the idea of having horizontal versus a square.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  Cutting back to all those

• 21:15Speaker 01

  But I think, I think what it's like

• 21:18Speaker 00

  It's cool. You look like

• 21:20Speaker 02

  It's so hot, man.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  Daughter, daughter of anarchy. Daughter

• 21:23Speaker 02

  My core is like molten slag.

• 21:24Speaker 00

  Lady of anarchy.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Here, I'm, I'm not wearing it now. Josh, your turn?

• 21:28Speaker 02

  How dope would it be to be in Sons of Anarchy though? We should all get Sons of Anarchy.

• 21:32Speaker 00

  I was gonna put this right here on this table.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  So

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  You know, but what's interesting about the, the new gears, and I, this is, goes for the gear fit as well. They've taken Android off of them. They're now using Tizen, which is their custom, like, Java.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:50Speaker 00

  What is it? It's like a Java, it's like a runtime situation. I don't know what the hell it is. I'm just saying words. Again, I haven't slept a lot. Uh, but it's, it's not Android.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  No, they switched to Tizen, although it still works fully well with Android.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  So like, for most consumers, it's not gonna be a big deal. For developers, I guess, they're gonna have to tweak. If you had a Gear 1 app, it's not gonna work natively.

• 22:11Speaker 00

  So I, I mean, I still take issue with the fact that they're making these square. And I kind of wish they would just try to make a round one.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Okay, you want round?

• 22:18Speaker 00

  Well, that's better, cause it's a, that feels like a little bit more of a shape that

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  Is not, you're not just trying to replicate a watch.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Yes, right.

• 22:26Speaker 00

  Like, I would rather have it be replicate a watch I wanna wear, like, a circular watch with a nice, like, casing.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 22:33Speaker 00

  Or do something that is not like a watch.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, so what John was saying, or in, in your ear, was like, if you're looking at it sideways, it's like this. So like, you're reading like this and you're swiping. It just doesn't feel natural, especially if you're doing this.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Right.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  So that's, that's, it's a concern, I think. Yeah, looking at it right there.

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Great anecdote.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  I'm just.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  Somebody just tweeted me and said that, that, that the employees of the Verge shouldn't be able to say dope.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Did I say dope?

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Did you?

• 22:57Speaker 01

  I probably did.

• 22:58Speaker 00

  You're, you're from, uh, you lived in Baltimore for a long time.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  I think I was wearing the vest.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  Are you from Baltimore?

• 23:03Speaker 02

  No, I just lived there for a little while.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, that's the right way you picked that up.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  I picked it up from you.

• 23:10Speaker 00

  That's dope. Moving on.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 00

  Uh, what else? So more will Congress happen.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  It did.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  It's over now. Like some interesting, some interesting, uh, situations.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  I mean, it was more exciting than we thought it was gonna be.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Nokia acts, Nokia's making an Android phone.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  A cheap.

• 23:26Speaker 00

  A bad Android phone, which is like cool for Microsoft, I think. They're like, we're buying Nokia. Nokia's like, we're making Android phones.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  But it, it does go with the.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  It's like the worst idea that anybody's ever had. It's like a skin of Android to make it look like Windows phone.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  Except it's gonna be shittier than Windows phone.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  And no one's gonna care.

• 23:42Speaker 00

  On worse, on worse phones.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  But it does have Skype and does have like Microsoft Office.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  When has Skype ever been a selling point?

• 23:49Speaker 00

  Office?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  I think it has like Office.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  For Android?

• 23:53Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Maybe.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  Well, what would it be?

• 23:55Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  It's an Android phone.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  It's an Android phone.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  I rest my case.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  They're trying to put Microsoft Sweet.

• 23:59Speaker 00

  Get out. Um, uh, and then, so what else? Uh, the, oh, Galaxy S5.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Which is.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  The Galaxy S4, but waterproof.

• 24:07Speaker 00

  Galaxy S4, but with a different back.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  With a different number in the name.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  It's got some other stuff. I don't know. It's.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  It's weatherproof. It's like, you can put it in the shower.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  That, that's, see, to me, I think that's great. I mean, I've been using this, this Sony Z1 and it's waterproof and I don't take it in the shower because I'm not a fool.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  But you can.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  But I, but what, well, like I, what I can do is like, I don't worry about it in the rain or the snow or whatever. Like that's the nice thing. Or if like you drop it, like, or you put it down on the table and there's some water there, you're not like, oh my God.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  Um.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  I think it's actually a really nice looking phone. I mean, the front doesn't, looks kinda classy.

• 24:38Speaker 00

  It's okay.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  The soft touch is nice.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  I mean, this is, it's whatever. It's, it's an, it's a Samsung Android phone.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And this is what the, uh, okay, it's Samsung.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  They, I think we know that Samsung isn't really known for their hardware design. Given the fact that they have to keep, they have to keep copying it off of other people.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  Like, they're not known for, and they're also not known for their software design. They're known for, like, being able to ship high numbers.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  And market.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  And market, and market the hell out of them.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 00

  You know, and like, fine, that's so be it. That's their thing. You want a nice looking device? Get one of those new Nokia Android phones.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  JK. Sony's phones, Sony's phones are, Sony's phones are much nicer.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  And Sony did just announce at Mobile Congress, the Xperia Z2.

• 25:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's the new version of my phone.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  With a nicer display.

• 25:20Speaker 00

  So here's the thing, it has a nicer display. People are saying that it is not any larger than, than my phone. Is that correct? I've had both, Chris and Dieter have both said.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Is that it right there? Hold it up.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's a, it's a five.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  Pretty big.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  It's a 5.2 inch screen.

• 25:34Speaker 00

  This is, I think, just a five. But they're saying less bezel.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  At any rate, this thing's huge and that's like one of my major gripes. The hugeness of it.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  It's pretty light though, right?

• 25:44Speaker 00

  No, it's very heavy.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Really?

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Very heavy.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  This isn't heavy.

• 25:49Speaker 00

  Comparatively to, what are you comparing it to? It's heavier than that phone.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess it is.

• 25:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  It's glass and, glass and metal, baby.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  But it does feel nice. I mean.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  It's a nice phone.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Fingerprints all over the place.

• 26:00Speaker 00

  Well, it's made of glass.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Remember the old iPhones? That's what this is like. Except way bigger. And also not an iPhone. Um, anyhow, so the Z2, yeah, I mean, it's all in all was like not a really, I mean, I think the gears, the gear fit, uh, was probably the most interesting.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  And also like the most surprising, cause we, we knew there was going to be a Galaxy Smartwatch coming and we kind of figured new cell phones that are iterative, but like the fit was something different at least.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. You're damn right.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  They definitely learned their lesson not making another $400 smartwatch.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Well, they did.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Off the bat.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  There is one.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Well, they did, but they, like, you know, it's not the only thing that they're gonna, it's not the only smartwatch you can buy from them.

• 26:36Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  And I imagine it's probably like $400 for the Gear 2, 300 for the one without the camera, then like 2, 250 for this Fit?

• 26:43Speaker 00

  What? No, the Fit's gonna be way more expensive.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  You think so?

• 26:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's got like a crazy custom weird little screen and it's, you know, yeah, that's gonna be more expensive.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  No way.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  Why wouldn't it be? You don't think?

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Because their, their marketing is like a fitness thing. You can't sell a $300 fitness device.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  But it also functions as a watch, right?

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but yes, it does tell time and does the notifications.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Why are you shaking your head, man?

• 27:02Speaker 01

  It's, it's less capable.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  How much does a watch cost? Like, that's not, you can't, you can't be like, oh, it's also a watch. So that's like $500.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, depends on the watch. I mean, does it have all the, does it have all the features of the gear? I guess there's no camera, no heart, is there a heart rate sensor on it?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  There is, yes.

• 27:18Speaker 00

  I wish I had just read a little bit of, I mean, again, I've been busy. This is another thing, by the way, you can't do is like, reach for your laptop when you're holding a baby. Can't do it. And I've been trying some pretty like funky moves, you know? It's like holding a bottle with my head. You know, maybe one arm, holding the bottle in place or reaching for something like doing one of those. Fathers out there will know what I'm talking about. I've learned a lot. I'm much more mature now. It's incredible.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  All right, you want to talk about Google?

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Let's talk, let's talk about more Google because there's two projects.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  Sean Hallister wrote a great piece for us.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Fantastic, fantastic, very thoroughly researched and interesting piece about basically how Google is buying up Mountain View.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  And turning it into Google town.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  And it's, it's pretty like, there's a, this is a Google map in there if you go farther down the spade.

• 28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it shows the.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  It's insane, yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 00

  It's crazy. This is what was once a regular, uh, uh, community.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And like, now the owls are missing legs.

• 28:17Speaker 00

  Look at this. This is crazy.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  And like, you know, Apple's also building a new headquarters over here. There's like this spaceship and no one's complaining because you've got this, basically this new neighborhood, this new city right here.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  All run by Google.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  And, uh, and so, you know, I think it's an interesting story about, uh, corporate interests in a relatively small town, you know? I think there's, there are a lot of people, I mean, I think there's definitely some commenters and people who are like, this is great. This is actually really good. They're doing really cool things. Um, but it does raise questions about, uh, uh, you know, there, how much? I think you have to ask like, how much of a town should Google be able to own?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Well, so they constantly, then reading Sean's piece, which is fabulous, um, they keep talking about like, Google was trying to propose housing. Like they really wanted to build a residential zone, make it fully contained.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. This is a lot like, uh, what is this like? The prisoner? The, this is like, it's a little lost actually, when you think about it. Imagine Mountain View is an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, uh, where a magnetic force is drawing down planes. And ultimately, um, spoiler alert, everybody's dead. Um, hope I didn't ruin it for you.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Not serious.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  One of the all time worst endings of any show ever in the history of television.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Like five years from now, Eric Schmidt in a beard just screaming, we have to go back.

• 29:30Speaker 00

  That's exactly what's going on. And Schmidt is with some like, I don't know, he's with some characters, some lovely ladies and so a futurist, some singularity people.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Ray Kurzweil is just like, he's the Desmond.

• 29:42Speaker 00

  He loads up, they load up with, uh, who's flying the plane? Paul Allen.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Well, Sergey Brin's jumping out of the plane.

• 29:50Speaker 00

  Paul Allen's like, I'll get you there. Is it Paul Allen that he was all the planes?

• 29:55Speaker 02

  I don't know, Sergey Brin jumped out of the planes.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  No, yeah, of course he'll jump out of the plane.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  I just feel like Paul Allen knows everything, so sure, why not?

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Does he, is he a plane guy? Somebody tell me, somebody tweet at me.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  All I know about Paul is he knows, he owns like a ton of guitars.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  I don't know, nobody gives Larry Ellison enough credit. The dude owns an island. Like, Google, like, yeah, Last IO, Google, Larry Page is up there like with his voice box saying like, we need to create an island where there are no laws.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  And people can do whatever they want. Larry Ellison owns that island.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Either Ellison or Elon Musk is the Charles Whitmore in this movie.

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, but Ellison, but Ellison hates, hates those guys. He's like a jobs bro.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  So you got a problem there.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they're gonna like.

• 30:33Speaker 00

  How you gonna get the Google guys to Ellison, to Ellison Island?

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Invasion.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  Ellison, Invasion of Ellison Island. All of these are movies I would watch.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  Self-driving Google landing craft.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  Are we looking at Paul Allen?

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  Right here, he's like, I'll take you. He's like the Jeff Fahey.

• 30:53Speaker 00

  What?

• 30:55Speaker 00

  Are you Lepidus?

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Frank Lepidus, played by Jeff Fahey.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  As portrayed by the actor Jeff Fahey, star of The Lawnmower Man, a great film if you haven't seen it.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  What? No.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  He plays the Lawnmower Man.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Oh, I had no idea.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  Pierce Brosnan, also a star of The Lawnmower Man. Please check it out if you really want to see some awesome 90's sci-fi that will rock you to your very core. Can we get a scene from The Lawnmower Man up on the view screen here? I'll give you guys a moment. I'm surprised you haven't been able to, I'm surprised you haven't been able to move quickly on this one. But please do some of the special effects of The Lawnmower Man. The Lawnmower Man comes at a time like in special effects when people just discovered 3D and there was like a lot of video toaster 3D stuff happening. I mean, it's not video toaster, this is like obviously rendered on some SGIs or whatever, but like, the Lawnmower Man graphics are really, really superb. This is, is this the Lawnmower Man? Is that Jeff Fahey? Is that Pierce Brosnan?

• 31:45Speaker 01

  It looks like he's had, he's had the same haircut.

• 31:47Speaker 00

  If that's Brosnan, look at the head of hair on him.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  Look at this guy's hair. It's this beautiful feathered.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Everybody in this movie looks like the villain from Die Hard.

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Correct me if I'm wrong, Lawn Mower Man released in 1990, hold on, 1993 is what I want to say. Two, that was so close. And you gotta get to the graphics, guys. You found the ones here where there aren't any graphics. I don't know how you do that.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it. Is there a lawnmower?

• 32:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Is it like a CG lawnmower?

• 32:17Speaker 00

  Oh, here we go. Yeah, here we go. Jeff Hay, he's literally, he is, he is a lawnmower operator. He's like kind of a mentally impaired lawn. Let me tell you this.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Wait, so he's like, so like cutting grass kind of lawnmower, no, some weird freaky science fiction?

• 32:29Speaker 00

  He's a guy who cuts, I believe he cuts Pierce Brosnan's grass and he's like, he's like, he's like impaired in some way. Oh, here we go. Here we go. He's impaired in some way mentally, like he's not very smart. Yes.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  So wait, this is like, it's like a horror version of Flowers for Alvin?

• 32:45Speaker 00

  This is VR. He's in VR right now. Do you understand what's going on?

• 32:47Speaker 02

  The thing is like, that's what VR actually looks like.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  In the 90s, VR was actually way more advanced than right now. And anyhow, so I think Pierce Brosnan starts experimenting on him to see if he can make him smarter with these like cool cyber programs. That shoot, that shoot information into his virtual reality. Like, yes.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 33:06Speaker 00

  Actually, this looks kind of amazing. Like, it's like a C punk video, but it's, oh, look, he's putting information into his brain right now by hand.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  That's where, that's where.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Cause this is how.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  It's the Matrix.

• 33:15Speaker 00

  Cause that's how it works.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  He's learning how to fly a helicopter.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  It is like the Matrix. And then, you know, of course, the experiment spirals wildly.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Who is the guy in a suit that's ominously walking slowly towards them?

• 33:24Speaker 00

  I'm gonna say he, his name is, uh, who is this? I don't know who this guy is, but he's gonna, I think what he discovers in this scene is that Pierce Brosnan is abusing the, uh, he's abusing his laboratory.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  What?

• 33:34Speaker 00

  And he's like, you, you can't do this anymore. And then he takes him to his basement and does some more.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  That's what laboratories are for. It's for rampant abuse.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  Why do they exist if like they don't make a Green Goblin?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  I mean, we could all have an island, sure.

• 33:45Speaker 00

  What's the point of, what's the point of having an island if it, or it's not an island? Of course, there wouldn't be a place like this on the island.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Laboratories on islands, the worst.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  What's the point of having a laboratory if you're not going to create a Green Goblin? That's just a rule for life.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Did you see the pictures of the Green Goblin? The new ones?

• 34:02Speaker 00

  What? No. Are they on the verge?

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Uh, we, no, it was like a week ago. I don't know.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Well, were they on the verge a week ago, I guess? Cause I, that's all I read. That's the only thing I read. If it's on the verge, it didn't happen.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  No, but the new one is.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  You're tagline.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  If it's not on the verge, it just didn't happen.

• 34:17Speaker 00

  That's right. And no matter how much you tell us.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  Were you gonna show it to me?

• 34:22Speaker 01

  I'm trying, I'm trying to find it.

• 34:23Speaker 00

  Where's the Ring of Island picks?

• 34:24Speaker 01

  I'm looking for it.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  Is it Dane DeHaan?

• 34:25Speaker 01

  It is Dane DeHaan.

• 34:26Speaker 00

  Dane DeHaan is like, sorry Dane, your face makes you evil and everything.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:30Speaker 00

  You're from, from now on, you're like the new Willem Dafoe. You're just gonna play a bad guy no matter what you're in.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 34:35Speaker 00

  Even when you're a good guy, people are gonna hate you.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Alright, so I'm gonna drop it in the dock right here.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  I like Dane DeHaan, don't get me wrong, he's a talented actor.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 00

  He's in Chronicle, right?

• 34:43Speaker 01

  He is.

• 34:43Speaker 00

  Great film, I think, very underrated. You didn't like it?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  F off, get out of here. If you don't think it's dope, I'm not interested.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  We're about to bring it up, but here's the, uh, if I can just zoom in.

• 34:52Speaker 00

  Dane DeHaan looks totally messed up.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Can we zoom in on Dane DeHaan's face?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  I mean, we're pretty close to it now.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  I can't really see it.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Enhance.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  Enhance.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Enhance. Nope, okay.

• 35:02Speaker 00

  Can we just?

• 35:02Speaker 01

  No enhance?

• 35:03Speaker 00

  Enhance quadrant 2417?

• 35:05Speaker 01

  And if we can't, enhance on the verge.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  That's not, that doesn't look like a face.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  That's not Dane DeHaan, that's a gear.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  It's not exactly a face.

• 35:10Speaker 00

  This is like, really, really not good.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  I can see his hair, there you go.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  This is just like The Lawnmower Man. This is just like Jeff Fahey in The Lawnmower Man.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  A little bit to the right.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Wow, up, up, up.

• 35:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  A little to the right, no, no, there you go.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  Well, you go, he looks messed up, like, he's got some bad, he's got some bad acid or something.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  It's like some goblin serum or something.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, he has a lot, I think he has access to a laboratory.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  So.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Good crocodile.

• 35:33Speaker 00

  But there isn't, isn't, oh no, that was in one of the old Spider-Man movies. Who's the, the?

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Has there ever been a Spider-Man movie that wasn't terrible?

• 35:41Speaker 01

  The Lizard?

• 35:42Speaker 00

  The Lizard.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  Again.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  I feel like they just keep making the exact same Spider-Man movie over and over again.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  I just have to say, if you tuned into this, expecting to hear, what is this? Come on.

• 35:58Speaker 00

  If you tuned into this Verge cast expecting to be entertained, I think you're getting your money's worth.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  But educated.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  Of course, this is free, so, it's free to watch, so I think you're definitely getting your money's worth. Bang for your buck. Uh, it's a store in my neighborhood, by the way, bang for your buck.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, your time isn't valuable. It's free.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  I'm losing my voice.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  Next topic.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Do you want to go?

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Are you trying to get Josh out of here?

• 36:24Speaker 00

  Fight?

• 36:24Speaker 02

  That guy's bail.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  You know what this was the people are here for?

• 36:27Speaker 00

  Project Tango.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Project Tango.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Wasn't there like a Windows Microsoft thing named Tango?

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Project Tango is.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Why is Tango so popular?

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Microsoft, Project Tango is like a smartphone that can map a room like connect, basically.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:39Speaker 00

  Which is cra- kind of a crazy idea.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  It is very scary.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Do we have that scene from Dark Knight? Play it.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Oh. Why isn't it ready yet?

• 36:45Speaker 00

  It is the exact.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  The end of the Dark Knight.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's everybody's got, like, they trapped the cell phone in your pocket and it like.

• 36:51Speaker 00

  Spoiler, spoiler alert, um, please. The end of the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight uses, he uses a lawnmower man like device.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. What did you say? Goggles?

• 37:04Speaker 00

  It is like, actually, there are some similarities to what we just saw, the lawnmower man. Uh, here it is.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  There we go. All right.

• 37:11Speaker 00

  Here it is, everybody. This real invention.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Please allow a full screen so we stop seeing.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  This is exclusive from Google's campus, Project Tango.

• 37:18Speaker 00

  What kills me so much about this is whoever the writer, was it Goyer? Is he the writer?

• 37:22Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, David Goyer.

• 37:23Speaker 00

  He was like, we gotta, I don't know, I don't have a solution to make this end part work. He's like, I just don't know what to do. What if I just made up a thing where he adds like sonar, like a bat?

• 37:34Speaker 01

  And that's, but that's classic Batman. It's like, all right, we need a gadget. We just put bat on the front of it, we're fine. Bat grappling hook, bat cape.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  They don't call it bat something, do they?

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Uh, they don't name it. They don't name it. We know it's bat sonar, though.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like bat global surveillance system.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  Hey, so it's a project, hey, go. Project.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Bat Prism.

• 37:53Speaker 00

  BPS. Bat Positioning System. Um. To all the listeners out there, I do apologize.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  What we really need is a Bat Snowden to blow the lid off.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  It was Jake Grayson the whole time.

• 38:10Speaker 00

  First name Bad, last name Stud. Proton Tango is a smartphone that can map a room and presumably, what's the range on this? Do we know?

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Uh, I think someone does. I see you're looking it up, but uh.

• 38:22Speaker 00

  Super ugly.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  So while we're doing this, this is, this is from the mind of like, this is being led by Johnny Chung Lee. And if you don't know that name, you do remember a few years back, he did these Wii Remote head tracking things.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  That's him.

• 38:32Speaker 00

  This guy, if you actually, if you don't, haven't seen this, it was really cool. He did this like kind of DIY motion tracking on the Wii where using the sensors, you could wear these glasses. And like when you moved, the perspective would move.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:46Speaker 00

  Where we, and now like, I guess like with the Kinect, I don't know if there's games that do that. Not really yet.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Not so much.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  But um, it was really trippy when, um, it's just an extremely bizarre, weird like effect.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  And at some point, he did.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  This is what he's working on now.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  At some point, he did go to Microsoft. I don't remember when and I don't know when he left, but then he quietly went to Google. And now this is his thing. He's part of ATAP, which is doing both Project Tango. And apparently Project Ara is under the ATAP umbrella now.

• 39:10Speaker 00

  And Ara is, uh, Ara is the modular phone project.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Which was started at Motorola and now is the, is like one of the things, oh, here it is. Here's the original project. How cool is this?

• 39:22Speaker 01

  This is awesome.

• 39:22Speaker 00

  Now, like this may not, this may seem quaint by today's standards, but a few years ago, this was like, what? Five years ago? Maybe. Um, this was like mind blowing.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Like oh eight or oh nine.

• 39:31Speaker 00

  And it is kind of still mind blowing.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  I mean, this, like this video basically gave this guy a career and created Project Tango.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, true. It's weird. Power of the internet, power of the open internet.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  Think you would be able to put that video on the internet if Comcast and Time Warner Cable were controlling how much bandwidth was used for uploading videos?

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Couldn't afford to it, so no one saw it.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  Exactly. And now he's, and then he's now a drug addict.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  It's the evil corporations, man.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Corporations, man.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Corporations.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  Are you happy? You turned him into a drug addict, Time Warner Cable.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Soon to be Comcast.

• 40:05Speaker 00

  In an alternate, in an alternate reality.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  This is a really weird cyberpunk novel.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  It all sounds good to me. It's kind of like something from The Lawnmower Man. It actually reminds me of, actually reminds me of the plot of Lawnmower Man 2. Actually, I don't, I don't know what the plot of Lawnmower.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  I have a lot to watch tonight, I guess.

• 40:21Speaker 00

  What is the plot of Lawnmower Man 2?

• 40:22Speaker 01

  I'm sure, I'm sure the opener and I can tell us.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  So here's the thing, here, here's.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Can we do a slow zoom on the Time Warner Cable logo? Just, it's really creepy. I just want to point that out.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Guys, that's Comcast. What are you doing?

• 40:33Speaker 00

  It's like the Eye of Horus.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Slow zoom going right into the.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  Where is it? It's just the spiral, it's just the spiral from True Detective.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 40:39Speaker 00

  It's that big whoop.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Don't spoil, I haven't seen it.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  Okay, well, there's a spiral in it.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  God damn it.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  What is this, trailer for Lawnmower Man 2? Oh, yeah, he's, oh, right, there's.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Wait, it's a wheelchair?

• 40:49Speaker 00

  Is Matt Fruer? Yeah, Beyond Cyber, there's Matt Fruer in it.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 40:53Speaker 00

  Can I just say that the original Lawnmower Man is kind of an amazing movie and I think it, wow. I think you should, I really think you should watch it. I've never seen The Lawnmower Man 2.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Wow. That was definitely an awkward reference.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Some of these graphics are from The Lawnmower Man 1. I just want you to know that.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  What is going on? Dude, that hat?

• 41:11Speaker 00

  I feel like Matt Fruer must have been, you know, bummed. They're like, hey, we want you to be kind of like a Max Headroom character. And he's like, can I please stop being typecast as a Max Headroom character? Can I just have a career that is not Max Headroom? They're like, no, you're a cyber guy now. Get out of my face.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  Anyhow, okay. So here's what's interesting about all these Google projects.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  Not the city, I've been buying up a city, but Aura and Tango, first off, both horrible codenames that need to be changed into something more interesting, like Connect.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  What was that? What was the, what was the Connect codename? It was like.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 41:49Speaker 00

  It was like.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Projects.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  Newbie Project Naboo.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Naboo.

• 41:54Speaker 00

  Natal.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Project Natal.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  Project Natal.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  That's right. When Kudo Senoda like went on stage, it's Natal.

• 41:58Speaker 00

  Hey, remember Kudo Senoda? Where ever happened to that guy?

• 42:00Speaker 02

  They called it like Project Placenta.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  Where ever happened to Kudo?

• 42:03Speaker 01

  I think he's still at Microsoft. I think he's still working on it.

• 42:04Speaker 00

  Another, another, another guy. By the way, we had him on On The Verge.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  He was a really cool guy.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Really nice.

• 42:10Speaker 00

  I think we had him on, one of the times we had Fallon on. It was at that weird, small theater.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  I'm just really reminiscing now. Just letting you guys take a walk with me down memory lane. Straight to that joystick.

• 42:25Speaker 00

  Straight back to that joystick. All right, anyhow, that's called a callback, in case you're wondering. I've just referenced something that was talked about earlier. It wasn't funny, though.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  It was sad. So what's interesting about these Google projects is that they're highly experimental. You know, they're like out there. They're very much in like the, in the, in the, um, Google X sort of vein.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  They are, they are. But so the thing about Project R is interesting is there is a release date for it now. According to that timepiece, like, early next year, maybe fifty dollars for the base model. Of course, you can upgrade piece by piece.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm super into it.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think.

• 42:56Speaker 00

  I think it sounds amazing. I don't, I don't buy that it's gonna work effectively. Like, I see like people like they're like, my radio fell off my phone.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  And now I can't do anything.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  I feel like people like really.

• 43:09Speaker 00

  No way it's gonna look that sexy.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, really smart people have done a lot of work to like, make phones small.

• 43:14Speaker 00

  To make like a small.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Well, what if we just put everything in a big box?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  I was, I was watching a Lego movie and we're like, oh, we can just do it.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  That's the question. Like, like, am I seriously gonna be able to like slide on like a really felt awesome screen to this thing? Like, oh, I want a higher resolution screen or like, I want one with a triangle or something. Is that gonna be, or is it gonna be the phones this thick?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  And there's like a wire dangling off of it.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  They're saying like. It's gonna be the size of a gaming PC.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  They're saying less than ten.

• 43:38Speaker 00

  Gaming PC. Hello? That's me answering a gaming PC. Just imagine there's a huge box. There's a box here like so. And Ken, I'm like, hello? I'm sorry, I'm getting a bunch of updates. I have to call you back.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  The fan is gonna be so loud that you're not gonna really hear anything.

• 43:57Speaker 00

  Updating in four or five hours. So I can't talk to you or play any of the games I wanted to play. So bye. And then I'd throw it into the garbage.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  So in all fairness, they are claiming within six to 10 millimeters, which is not bad. It's like six and 10 millimeters thick. Like, it's pretty thin.

• 44:10Speaker 00

  Sure, if you say so.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  We'll see, we'll see.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Can I see six to 10 millimeters on screen right now?

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Just enhance it over and over.

• 44:17Speaker 00

  If you were smart, you'd show the, uh, movie poster for the film eight millimeter, but you're not gonna do it.

• 44:22Speaker 00

  It's right between six and 10 millimeters.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  God damn it.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  All right, zoom in, enhance.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Like, people don't want to see how the sausage is made, John.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Never show a Google image search result again.

• 44:37Speaker 00

  Yes, seriously.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Or you're fired.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  This is the exact size based on your display.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  You need to switch after you've got your image, okay? Amateur hour in there.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  It's JV.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  All right, let's talk about some other things, and culture.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  And culture, so, um, actually.

• 44:50Speaker 00

  This is the least informative, one of the least informative shows.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know about that.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  No, no, very, we're lacking, we're really lacking in information. I, I really, you know, I know there's, there's probably a viewer out there, a listener out there, they're like, I can't wait to hear the, the news about tech today.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Don't they know how to read?

• 45:05Speaker 00

  This week.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Can't they read?

• 45:06Speaker 00

  This week in tech. I can't wait to hear about this week in tech. And then they turn this on.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  You, you do realize our audio is right now being run by a puppet?

• 45:15Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Not even kidding.

• 45:18Speaker 00

  Can we get, can we get a shot in the control booth? Can we get a shot from inside?

• 45:21Speaker 01

  I just look like, yeah, you're making a serious point, and then there's a puppet dancing right behind you.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  Was that made, was that puppet made at the, like, the, I think FAO Schwarz has like a puppet making shop where you can design your own muppet? Is that what that is?

• 45:34Speaker 01

  I don't think legally we can say one where the.

• 45:35Speaker 00

  I have a friend, because I have a friend.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Build a bear?

• 45:37Speaker 00

  No, I have a friend who has several of these muppets. She's really into them.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Puppets.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Like, serious about them.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Legally obligated to say puppets.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  What?

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Serious about them.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, she made, she made, they don't have legs, and she made legs for one of them. She sewed legs for one of them.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Good night. All right, let's, let's talk about some culture stuff. Steve Jobs film.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:57Speaker 00

  First off, Steve Jobs' birthday was on Monday. The original, the original due date of my daughter.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  That's really crazy.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, but we didn't, we didn't hit it.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  We missed the embargo.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Obviously didn't hit it.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  So it's saying if my parents had sex like eight months earlier, maybe.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  It's more than eight.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  What?

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Five, I don't know. Just continue.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  It's more than eight, so fuck it.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  That has to span three, three weeks, is really what I'm talking about here, okay? And please, don't talk about me having sex ever again.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  This is getting really weird.

• 46:31Speaker 00

  Steve Jobs film.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Where's that vest?

• 46:33Speaker 00

  Rumored.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  That's when you won't have sex ever again.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  You mean this vest?

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one right there.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  Wait a second, I'm sorry, did you, were you talking about this? I would wish I could time this so I could get it on.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Oh, boy.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Do you need help?

• 46:48Speaker 02

  The control room has informed me your wife just filed for divorce.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  We got a problem here.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Lady Rider, you okay? You're good, you're good.

• 46:55Speaker 00

  What's happening here?

• 46:55Speaker 01

  You're good, there you go.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  You mean this vest? Can we edit that post?

• 46:59Speaker 01

  We'll just cut it faster.

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Can we edit it in post so it just seems like you covered a little bit with like a little B-roll of these guys?

• 47:04Speaker 01

  We'll just jump ahead in real time.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  Here, I'll just do it again. I'm just gonna do it again and you guys cut it together for the edit.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  You think you can do it right this time, okay.

• 47:10Speaker 00

  You mean, this vest?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 47:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's like the lawnmower man. That happens in the lawnmower man. Jeffy, he gets like a bunch of information downloaded and then he puts on like a cool lady's leather vest.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  What is going on? I'm loving this. It's been too long.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  So, so do you want to talk about the David Fincher rumor?

• 47:32Speaker 00

  So, so early on, early on, when Walter Isaacson, I believe, sold the rights to this book to Sony, listen to me with like, oh god, it's information here.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:39Speaker 00

  Now I'm getting used to this. Um, I believe it was, there was a like, major rumor going around that it was gonna be Aaron Sorkin writing the screenplay and Fincher directly.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  See, was it rumor or just wishful thinking? Cause they just, Sony Pictures had just done the social network with Fincher.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  I don't know, I think if I-

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think people were like, David Fincher's gonna direct every movie about technology.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 00

  Here, and here it is, the Steve Jobs film.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Steve, so, so I like, it's like Steve Jobs lived in a world where everything had a kinda green filter on it. Everything was green.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Just like the Matrix.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  Speaking of-

• 48:13Speaker 00

  Speaking of the Matrix. It's funny you should mention the Matrix.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 48:17Speaker 00

  Actually, I had this great idea. Can I just tell, can I give away a great idea?

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Please do.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, like, uh, pizza chipotle.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  It's David Fincher related and it's also a spoiler. If you don't know how Seven Ends-

• 48:30Speaker 00

  If you don't know how Seven Ends, I'm giving you a fair warning.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Straight in the house of cards.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  If you don't know how Seven Ends-

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Yo, can we get a picture of what's in the box on the screen?

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Just a gift.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  But here's my idea is like, somebody should make a fake, okay, spoiler alert, seriously.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Awesome epilepsy warning.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Somebody should make, somebody should make a, like, they should sell this. It's the kind of thing you might get at like geek.com or whatever. Um, or like, uh, anyhow, it's Gwyneth, it's like a model of Gwyneth Paltrow's.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  It's a model of Gwyneth Paltrow's head in like a brown paper box. Merry Christmas, son. And you could send it to people as a gift. And it's like, it's like a hand letter. I had the idea the other night. I think it was like after many hours of sleep deprivation. But like, isn't that an amazing gift? Wouldn't that be amazing? If like you get a box, because we got a package from, because we get a lot of packages.

• 49:27Speaker 00

  When you have, when you have a lot of, when you have a baby, a lot of people send you stuff.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Like a severed head?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Your daughter's gonna have a very weird upbringing.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  But it's a, it's a fun gift. It's a gag. It's a novelty gift. And you get a box and it's in the brown paper and you unwrap it and it's, you open it, it's Gwyneth Paltrow's head.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  I mean, that's, if you don't think that's an amazing idea, I have to question your, your, uh, your sense of good ideas. That's not a very good, like, questioning.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  That's a great Valentine's Day gift.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  I was like, what's going on with my arm over here?

• 49:57Speaker 02

  It's in a vest.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  Look, what's going on on my, on my right shoulder here? It looks like I've got some weird shoulder deformity because of the coloring of the chair. And my shirt, but if you, look at this.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  No, no, that's.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  It's okay.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  No, but look, right there, it doesn't look right.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:13Speaker 00

  I don't like it.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  It's a tumor.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  It looks like a weird extra muscle.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  What a, what a great show.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  You mean this vest? Okay.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Also, but, but if Fincher were to do the Jobs biopic and so.

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Oh, is that what we're talking about? So you put this on the table.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  As we heard, this Horkin film, um, is supposed to be like three parts in quote unquote, real time. Steve Jobs preparing for three event. That's just what the rumor was.

• 50:36Speaker 00

  Oh, I, I don't remember.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  He wrote the script as in like, it's right before it unveils the Mac, it's right before it unveils the iPod. And see, it's just like in real time, the 45 minutes or 30 minutes prior.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  That sounds cool.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  It's like, it's an interesting idea. If he went with it, that's awesome.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  Jobs? Oh, you, didn't you review Jobs at Sun, from Sundance?

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yes, I did.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, that was not like really that good.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  That was lifetime. And I think Justin Long made the definitive Jobs film. Can we get a clip?

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, we're getting scared.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Do you think you'd have to license, would you have to license Gwyneth Paltrow's?

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Head?

• 51:09Speaker 00

  Likeness? I guess you would.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:11Speaker 00

  I don't know, man. Just someone, can someone make this happen?

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Does she really own her likeness though? It was kind of given to her, right?

• 51:17Speaker 00

  I guess you could like, um, you could make it look like Gwyneth Paltrow and the character could be named like, like Lilith or something that sounds like Gwyneth, but isn't. What's the name of the character?

• 51:27Speaker 02

  Like how people make like one, put a, we'll put one defect in an ornate rug.

• 51:30Speaker 00

  Not important. How much has our viewership tanked, by the way, throughout the, throughout the, has it just plummeted?

• 51:40Speaker 01

  It's like, we've lost like two.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Wait, is that real?

• 51:42Speaker 00

  Is that a true number?

• 51:43Speaker 01

  It's not a true, guys.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Okay. I was like, well, that's not, that doesn't sound right.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Literally it's the puppet talking in here.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  So it has plummeted. People are like, let me check out this informative.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Ten people are like, no, we want tech news. We want tech news.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  Um, okay.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Puppet's live.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Not, not Teresa Miles or Mills.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  But I think, um, I think that, uh, so anyhow, I think, I think here's the thing. I will say this, Social Network was grossly inaccurate on, on many levels, but it did make for a fairly entertaining film.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was compelling and like it was.

• 52:11Speaker 00

  And it was well made. I mean, I think Fincher's best movie is Zodiac personally.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so good.

• 52:15Speaker 00

  That's.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Great flick.

• 52:17Speaker 00

  He's sarcastic?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  No, it's.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  No, it's amazing.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  Really underrated. I think that most people don't even know that it exists.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  It was like kind of a quiet, just like, I don't know, it just didn't do, people didn't want to watch a movie about the, um, a serial killer who doesn't send a box to someone at the end.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  That's like a made for TV movie about the Zodiac killer. That was actually a lot better.

• 52:37Speaker 00

  Is that Richard Ramirez? Is that the person they think?

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know who that is.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  Do they never, they never, I forget, I forget how Zodiac ends. Do they catch him? Spoiler alert, don't tell me.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  He, he dies before he gets prosecuted, right?

• 52:49Speaker 00

  Okay, that's enough of that.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:51Speaker 00

  Well, spoiler alert, but it did happen in reality. So it's not, you can't really.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Iron.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  It's like saying, uh, what happened to Jesus?

• 52:56Speaker 00

  But, um, but, uh, but I think, I think Fincher, here's the thing, I think Fincher could do a good job, but I think you have to ask yourself, what really

• 53:05Speaker 00

  is the movie about, like, we love, know and love Steve Jobs. We know his story. Like we've, we've studied him as a person in our world. We've talked about him a lot. What, what is the movie for a broad audience about Steve Jobs? Like, how many more films are they going to make where it's like, he was a hippie in the sixties and he did acid and then like, he was hard to work with at Atari and now he made the iPhone. Like, how interesting is that story when you really look at it? Cause that's what I was kind of struck by watching Jobs, which is, not only is it identical to Pirates of Silicon Valley, like you just can't mess with the arc because it's exactly the same, but I was kind of like, This is cool to me to some extent because I know some of these stories and who these people are and I know their background and

• 53:46Speaker 00

  but like, is it a compelling tale to a broader audience, which is the audience you that's what was interesting about Social Network. He turned the Social Network about, you know, which is really probably not nearly as salacious and interesting into a story about this, you know, weird loner who was, had some, he had some weird issues where he was trying to like, he's trying to overcome his horrible image issues by creating Facebook, you know?

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Right. It also wasn't trying to be everything. Like, it wasn't like, here's how, you know, from the time he was a zygote to when he had a IPO.

• 54:18Speaker 00

  It didn't show the whole, well, his story is obviously far less like there. But I mean, it made it into like a, a, a character-driven piece about a kind of flawed person.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  And so, and I guess Jobs, like, let's be honest, no shortage of flaws to, to, to look at.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  You know, but

• 54:36Speaker 01

  But no one, no one claims he's a, he's a great person. They say he's a great businessman. Like, that's the big thing.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Talking about personal life.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  I mean, really, they should just, like, who cares about his shit at Apple?

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Like, they should just do like a That 70s Show mini-series.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Smoking dudes with Kelso up in the attic.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  That'd be great, actually, if he was smoking

• 54:56Speaker 00

  I guess my question ultimately is like, what is the definitive two-hour story about Steve Jobs you can tell? You know? Because I don't know about launching the iPhone. It's cool, but when it happened, it didn't, people were like, oh my God, like, people who knew about technology were like, oh my God, he's going to do a phone. But regular humans were like,

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:15Speaker 00

  What's a smartphone?

• 55:17Speaker 02

  It's True Detective, season two. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  I like it.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Partners.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  I like it. So anyhow, so I think we have to see like what that, I'm very curious to know what that story really is. The thing you were describing, the Sorkin concept is sort of interesting.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  If it's, that's actually how he did it, like, that'd be great. And like, I'd be interested. It's going to be, obviously, depending on who is casted as Jobs. So, I don't know.

• 55:38Speaker 00

  Kevin Spacey.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Justin Timberlake.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  I didn't, I didn't actually see Jobs, but I feel like there's a lot of his personal life that wasn't

• 55:44Speaker 00

  They don't go into the personal life, yeah.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  Kind of his strange daughter and

• 55:47Speaker 00

  Right.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  That relationship with his family.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  They do, they do go into that in pretty good detail in, uh, in, uh, Pirates of the Silicon Valley, though.

• 55:56Speaker 00

  Okay, Harold Ramus passed away.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  He did.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  Harold Ramus died at the age of sixty-nine. Star of many fantastic films.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Writer, director, producer, and star.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  And I think most people know him as Egon from Ghostbusters.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  Here he is with the, what is this device called? God, I haven't seen Ghostbusters in forever.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  The spectral, spectro-

• 56:15Speaker 00

  Spectrograph, spectro-rob-

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Spectrometer?

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Ghost detector? Ghost, it's the ghost sniffer. Anyhow, um-

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Very young Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray as well.

• 56:24Speaker 00

  Young everybody.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Man.

• 56:26Speaker 00

  I mean, great, super talented guy, really funny, um, smart.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  And, you know, just, just, just a downer. Like, I don't know, I grew up, like, watching a lot of movies this guy was in, particularly the, you know, Ghostbusters movies are, you know, I know a lot of people diss Ghostbusters too, but I think it's pretty entertaining.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I love it. Yeah, my parents love it too. It's great.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  Vigo's in that, right?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  It's a Vigo, man. Yes, Vigo.

• 56:46Speaker 00

  And there's also a Bobby Brown song.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, my favorite movies as a child in order of importance, Ghostbusters, Top Gun, Ghostbusters Two.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  This is something, the Bobby, there's a Bobby Brown track that goes along with that film. And this is something that happened, I think, a lot in the eighties that you really don't see too much anymore. That he does a rap in the song, and it's about stuff that's happening in the movie. Like, he name checks Vigo and, like, several other characters. Could we get a little bit of Bobby Brown's rap-

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  From Ghostbusters Two?

• 57:15Speaker 01

  I'm actually-

• 57:16Speaker 00

  I think it's called "We're in Control, I Could Be Wrong."

• 57:18Speaker 02

  I did some Egon cosplay.

• 57:20Speaker 00

  Did you really?

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, uh, John, can you bring that up?

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Was it Egon specifically?

• 57:23Speaker 02

  At the top.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  I gotta look it up.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Egon.

• 57:25Speaker 00

  What? This is crazy. I don't buy this. What is this? Is this a troll?

• 57:30Speaker 02

  No, it's not a troll. Hundred percent serious.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  That's you?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  On the left there, yeah.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Egon.

• 57:35Speaker 00

  What do you mean, on, on whose left? On my left or the, the people's left?

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Your left. I'm the taller one.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  How can you tell it's Egon?

• 57:42Speaker 01

  So, wait, so this is, yeah, that, that's my question.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  How do you know it's Egon?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  It's all in the performance. You can't capture that.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  You got, you got Slimer in a bad, it's not, that's not how they-

• 57:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, I already got him on Slimer.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Listen, I didn't make the threads.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  I get it, I get it. I also went as a Ghostbuster, I think, it's, uh, for Halloween. I could be wrong. Uh, but anyhow, very cute. That's you on the left there?

• 58:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Look at you, look at your little mushroom hair.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Your Throwback Thursday.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, never, never again.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  TBT.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Bulk cuts should be illegal.

• 58:06Speaker 00

  I think that's cool. I like it.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Like circumcision.

• 58:08Speaker 00

  You're a little bit like-

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Circumcision and bulk cuts, shouldn't it be?

• 58:11Speaker 00

  There's a sadness, though. There's a kind of sadness there, TC. You know, darkness in you. I see. You got the trap and everything. That was purchased, though, right?

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  Okay. Now, can we get a little bit of that Bobby Brown song from Ghostbusters 2? Can we get that up on the view screen?

• 58:26Speaker 01

  I think they're working on it. On the view screen?

• 58:28Speaker 00

  You can't find it?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  We want to look at the song.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  That's really sad. Everybody said he's a really nice guy.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  You know, they're still gonna make Ghostbusters 3.

• 58:36Speaker 00

  Well, how do you feel about that?

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Ugh. I'm sorry.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  You think it's in poor taste?

• 58:41Speaker 01

  I don't think it's in poor taste. I just think whether or not he was involved, like, it's gonna be a bad movie.

• 58:45Speaker 00

  Right.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  They need, they need fresh meat. They're using all the old guys. It needs to be Ghostbusters 3.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  Oh, here we go. Is this it? I'm not hearing any audio. Is that what we can't run the audio? We don't have sound. We're pretty advanced here.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I mean, that's, that's what it's always looked like now, anyway.

• 59:00Speaker 00

  I mean, look, this video is crazy. That video is crazy. Nuts. That was nuts. All right, what else? What else are we talking about?

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, we can talk about Shalat's Got Milk.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  We gotta wrap up soon, unfortunately.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Do you want to talk about the Oscars at all? It's coming up on Sunday.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  No, not really. We're gonna do, we'll have some Oscar coverage, but I don't really want to talk about it.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 59:16Speaker 00

  Got Milk, they've gotten rid of...

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Got Milk?

• 59:19Speaker 00

  What is Heroes Reborn?

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Oh, God, they're bringing Heroes back.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  They're bringing Heroes back.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  Oh, right. I'm sorry. Heroes, bring Heroes back. Siler, uh, the other guy, the guy with the hair.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  They haven't announced any of the characters. Peter. They haven't announced any of the characters.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  Peter's brother, Milo Pentabiglia, uh, the blonde girl, Hayden Panettiere.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:37Speaker 00

  Uh, Ally Larter.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  God, Peter was so whiny.

• 59:40Speaker 00

  The guy who turns into a gecko.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Uh, Masayoko.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Masayoko.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  It's Hiro Nakamura.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, uh, uh, the, the, the, uh, the old guy, Malcolm McDowell.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Linderman? Linderman? Is that what his name is?

• 59:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. They kill off all those people, right? Siler was a cool villain, though. That first season of Heroes was pretty good.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, when he killed Veronica Mars?

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. First...

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  Was that the first season? That was the first season?

• 1:00:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  He didn't kill the character of Veronica Mars, though.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  No, it was. It was Veronica Mars.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  I don't think that's right.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  That's quite the slow season.

• 1:00:11Speaker 00

  Uh, no, I think that's right. Are you, uh, yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  It's a little, it's a little off the top.

• 1:00:16Speaker 00

  He had a great story, great backstory. Very cool. And then, of course, like every, just like Lost, great first season, and then everything was garbage.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Well, they had that writer's strike.

• 1:00:23Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, there was Blumenthal on the writer's strike. Writer's strikes have ruined a lot of great things, though. Like shows on TV. Uh, it should be illegal for writers to strike. We should, we gotta break these writers' unions up.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, how are there not enough writers? Everybody's like.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  Look at the internet.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Like, it's like, alright, we're just gonna take fanfiction and try and just perpetuate it.

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  I think that that would be totally passable now.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  I would love to see a writers picket.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  A lot of good fanfiction out there. Um, that's, and that's gonna be 2015 is when they're doing it?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Or this year?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  No, I think it's a.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Next year.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Seriously, I'm gonna wait till 2015 to see the new heroes.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  I'm more excited for, I'm more excited for the 24.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's gonna be great.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  I'm not a 24 fan. Are you a 24 fan?

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  What do I need to know? Get me, bring me up to speed. I've never really watched any 24. I mean, I know of the, I understand the character. I understand.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  Every 24 hours, every 24 hours, there's a world ending terroristic threat.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  And that, and that he is a, he works for what organization?

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  CTU, baby.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, CTU.

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  CTU is a fake, it's a fake, made up thing.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  But then he goes off the grid for a while.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  And, and, and, but maybe for a while, he goes off the grid for one day.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  There's like, there's like a movie where he goes to Africa and like, everybody dies and he's really sad. And then he comes back.

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  Why are you ruining it?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  No, it's like, it's basically like a very violent.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  You just ruined everything, you just ruined everything for me about 24.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  How many seasons of 24 are there?

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  It's like eight.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  What's eight times 24? So what's seven times 24? Look at this. Now, he does a lot of torturing. This was actually, a lot of people, a lot of people think that, that, that the, that 24 was actually kind of like a propaganda, piece of propaganda for, for the US torture of, uh, prisoners of war.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  Sometimes you have to break the rules to save lives.

• 1:02:03Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  And always like, it's a hundred percent success.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  I mean, it's a Bush era, it's a Bush era show.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  It's, it's from the, it's from a time when we felt that there was constant, a constant, non-stop, very localized threat of terrorism at every turn.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Every 24 hours.

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  Every 24 hours, in every city in America.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  Every 24 hours, they have to invent a new color at the top of the.

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  I feel like when you're, I feel like when you live in, like, when you live in, like, Pittsburgh, you know, it must be great to live in Pittsburgh or wherever, when there's like, like a terrorist threat to a major city. You know, you're like, I'm good. I live in, I live in a very small town. I mean, Pittsburgh's not that small, but they're gonna hit like Philadelphia, right? They're not gonna go for Pittsburgh. They're gonna hit New York. I'm saying small towns are safe.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  That's where all the robots are. They're gonna take out our robots.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  That's where all the people who are posing, all the robots that are posing as humans live.

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  They live there. They're not even doing anything.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Josh, stop giving the terrorists an instruction manual.

• 1:03:02Speaker 00

  Let me give you some coordinates to put your, places to put your robot family.

• 1:03:08Speaker 00

  Is that what the terrorists are using now? Robots that look like humans? Like, like screamers?

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  That's what the terrorists are using. Screamers. Another great film from the 90s. I think we're wrapping up. Oh, one more thing, one more thing. Daft Punk Pharrell.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  New track, like leaked today? Was released today?

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Very excited. Pharrell and Daft Punk are here.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  You described it as, you thought the lyrics were suggestive in a negative way.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  I think you said rapey?

• 1:03:35Speaker 00

  Rapey is how you described.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  I don't know if I would, I don't know if that's what I said, but I think that's what I said.

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  Because it says, the lyrics are, um, "Open up your window, let me give you a hug."

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, something like that.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  I think that just sounds like when French guys.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if you really think about it, like, in what situation would you ever open a window? It's because someone's sitting in a tree branch.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  Looking into your bedroom.

• 1:03:54Speaker 00

  You want fresh air to come in.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Are you worried about hugs? I mean, I know Robin Thicke has ruined the hugs.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  You misunderstand. He's the gust of wind. The hug is the wind hitting your body, your nude body.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Sounds like a pretty rapey narrative.

• 1:04:09Speaker 00

  You throw the window open, the fresh air hits your nude body. That's the hug in question.

• 1:04:19Speaker 00

  Caresses your nude body. That doesn't get, caresses.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  You go in for the hug.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  No, there is no person to, it's representative of a person. The wind is like, represents the touch of a person.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  No, it's just there on your body.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  That's like some Dave Matthews Band level.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Just, well, open up your skirt, little boy. Show the world something.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  That's the Vergecast for this week. That's the Vergecast for this week.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

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• 1:04:52Speaker 01

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• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  I'm sure we'll get a lot of that now.

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• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  At Barack Obama.

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  TC is TC Sodik.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Uh, no, he's laughing stock.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Speaker 00

  And, uh, and he's great on Twitter.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  He's great on Twitter. He's like the new Darth.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Wow, you're just, you're throwing it down.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Um, and, uh, that's our show. Somebody's asked me about Tonight Show. Several people have asked, am I going to go on the Tonight Show? Um, we're, I, we, I've talked to, uh, the producers. We're working on doing something maybe in April. I hope I didn't just dox anything, but it'll be something special, I think. But who knows? It might not happen. You never know. But yeah, maybe. It's because somebody just tweeted at me, so that's, I'm answering.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  If Leno isn't back by then.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  If Leno isn't back. I have to say, I really am enjoying the Tonight Show and I'm not just saying that because I like Jimmy and all the people over there. I actually think it's really refreshing.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  No, the transition's been great and like.

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  It's really good. What do you think about Seth? You get, you had a review of Seth.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  So, so I'll say the Monday.

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  I don't get the set. I just don't.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  It's weird. So the Monday.

• 1:06:15Speaker 00

  Those chairs.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  The Monday Seth versus the Wednesday Seth, because I was watching that before we got on, um, it's much different. Like when we watched it Monday, it was week in update with an interview. And now that he's learned to talk to the audience, he's grown up conversational. It's all right. I think they need, they still need to figure out what to do, but like.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  They should've just gone full on weeknight update.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  It took, it took Jimmy like six months to figure out like how to be quirky.

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  It's pretty good. Um, it, it, look, it's a, it's a tough job.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  It's good though. It's.

• 1:06:39Speaker 00

  I'm sure, I'm sure he'll do a great job.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  It's surprisingly good.

• 1:06:41Speaker 00

  I just don't like those chairs. That's my own, that's my own thing.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:45Speaker 00

  And, uh, and, uh, ba, ba, ba, ba. That's it.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  That's it. And, and, uh, listen, from one family man to another, or family lady to another.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  Lady, lady writer.

• 1:06:55Speaker 00

  Uh.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Lady writer.

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

  We could be in bad trouble very soon. I'm very worried about our families. But Jack Bauer will save us.