316. Dr. Alejandro Junger: Why Leaky Gut Is Behind Autoimmune Disease

Cardiologist Dr. Alejandro Junger joins Gary Brecka to explain how a leaky gut can confuse the immune system, why he believes dysbiosis sits behind most chronic conditions, and what the liver actually does during detox. He also covers how he uses L-glutamine, the foods and drinks he removes first, and his own experience with ibogaine and stem cells. Don’t guess, test. Click here to join Gary’s VIP Community: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Dr. Alejandro Junger Website: https://bit.ly/4yI6IOm Instagram: https://bit.ly/4zUfz0v Facebook: https://bit.ly/4zi7weg TikTok: https://bit.ly/4zlvbdB Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BREW: THE ULTIMATE COFFEE: https://bit.ly/4elHM82 COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp CYMBIOTIKA: “BRECKACYM30” FOR 30% OFF: https://bit.ly/4tjyluP GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN & GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction: Gut Health and Detox 05:21 - Three Diagnoses, Seven Prescriptions 06:53 - The Ashram Experience and Cosmic Consciousness 13:41 - His First Detox Program 20:07 - Constipation, Family Constellations and Coffee Enema 28:00 - What Detox Actually Means 29:15 - Liver Detox in Two Steps 31:21 - Real Food and the Elimination Diet 34:22 - How Ibogaine Works in the Brain 37:48 - Lowest Point and the Heart Portal 43:29 - Ibogaine Heart Risk and Monitoring 45:44 - Stem Cells for Back Pain 46:53 - The Three Brains: Head, Heart, Gut 48:35 - Gut Dysbiosis and Leaky Gut 56:27 - Autoimmune Disease and the Gut 01:01:48 - Shopping the Grocery Perimeter 01:03:46 - L-Glutamine and Gut Supplements 01:11:46 - How to Align the Three Brains 01:13:10 - Feet Awareness Exercise for Presence 01:22:07 - What It Means to Be an Ultimate Human Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I say 99% of the chronic diseases of the modern world begin in the gut. And we put ourselves in these situations, full of chemicals, eating processed foods. This is not what nature designed for us.

• 0:11Gary Brecka?

  So much gut dysbiosis exists, and it leads to so many consequential things. The gut is literally connected to everything.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  Know the workings of the body so that you can create the conditions for the body to do what it already knows. This is the basis of functional medicine. Remove the obstacles, add what is lacking, the body will correct itself.

• 0:31Gary Brecka?

  What I like about your approach is back to the basics approach and maximizing our existing detox pathways. Getting people to have regular bowel movements. It's more about what we take out of their diet than what we add to their diet.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  Do not walk the aisles in the supermarket ever again. Walk the periphery of the supermarket. You find the fish, the poultry, the meat, the vegetables, the fruit, and you live longer. The longer the shelf life, the shorter your life.

• 0:55Gary Brecka?

  How do they take practical advice from this podcast and begin to live a detox lifestyle?

• 1:00Speaker 00

  There's the one thing that is going to make the biggest difference for everybody, which is this.

• 1:18Gary Brecka?

  Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything. Anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And every once in a while, you run into that guest that has both the credentials and the journey with the problem they solved in their life that has turned out to be one of the most impactful pioneers in the entire space. I'm sitting down today with New York Times bestselling author with most incredible journey from allopathic medicine to healing human beings from the inside out. And the first one I've ever sat down with that talks about the three brains in our body and how all three of these brains need to be aligned to reach a state of optimal health.

• 2:03Gary Brecka?

  I could not be happier to be sitting down with you and Dr. Younger. Did I say it right?

• 2:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, you said it right. Thank you for the invitation.

• 2:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, Dr. Younger, you know, like a lot of my guests before the podcast even started, we ran a podcast walking around, you know, walking around my house. And I talked very often on this podcast about the most impactful people that I sit down with, the real pioneers, the people that I believe are passionate, purpose driven, that are really making change in this world. You're clearly one of those people. But very often, it's because they solved a problem in their life. And you were trained in Uruguay, went to NYU for internal medicine, and then later Lenox for cardiology. So by all intents and purposes, you're a classically trained allopathic physician.

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 2:55Gary Brecka?

  And here we are talking about ibogaine, brain connections.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  Stem cells.

• 3:00Gary Brecka?

  Stem cells.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  Hydrogen.

• 3:02Gary Brecka?

  Food is medicine, hydrogen. You even told me you take my son's hydrogen tablets.

• 3:07Speaker 00

  Every day.

• 3:08Gary Brecka?

  Every day.

• 3:08Speaker 00

  And give it to all my friends.

• 3:10Gary Brecka?

  You do? Good, thank you for that. My son will be very happy about that. I'm a big fan of H2Tab too. So I would love to rewind the clock and talk a little bit about this journey. What was the problem that you solved in your life? And where did that fork in the road come? I don't want to say that you left allopathic medicine because you never really leave medicine. You just shift your orientation.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  Well, you shift your way of thinking about it, right? Which is what functional medicine did. Jeffrey Bland really reorganized all the, the knowledge of medicine that was there already. And basically made it a system thinking thing, right? Yeah. For example, Western medicine divides the body in organs. And then you specialize as a cardiologist, as a brain specialist, as a lung specialist, right? But functional medicine divides the body in systems. And each system has many organs collaborating. And each organ collaborates in many systems.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  So everything is connected, correct? I grew up in Uruguay, very small country, very privileged upbringing, you know.

• 4:27Gary Brecka?

  I love how you admit that.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  A very happy family.

• 4:30Gary Brecka?

  Most people don't throw that out on the.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  Well, it's true, you know, I grew up in a, in a very privileged family and very good schools and all the toys and vacations and everything that you wanted. Went to medical school because ever since I was a little kid, I realized that I could feel other people's pain. And, and, and that made me want to help ever since I have a memory, right?

• 4:55Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 4:55Speaker 00

  So that made me want to go to medical school. And after medical school, I moved to New York. Now, the change in lifestyle, especially in diet.

• 5:05Gary Brecka?

  Uruguay to the big city must have been.

• 5:07Speaker 00

  Well, I lived in a family where, where we had meals together and, and we ate food that we cooked from scratch. There were no supermarkets when I was growing up. We were used to go to the farmer's markets in, in the city. And we knew the farmers, we knew who, who raised the food with love, you know?

• 5:27Gary Brecka?

  But we're all trying to get back there right now.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  Exactly. And then suddenly I find myself in New York, running like a chicken with no head. The hospitals being on call up to three days in a row in those times, right? And eating from the hospital cafeteria and, and vending machines. And every now and then I go to the supermarket and I, I'm like an Aboriginal in this brave new world, you know? All these boxes that you put in a microwave and in five minutes, you have something that looks and smells like what your mother took half a day to cook, right?

• 6:01Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  And I started getting sick. And I started getting sick and my bloating and allergies and then depression.

• 6:10Gary Brecka?

  And then depression.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, big time. And there was no reason for me to be depressed because I had everything and I was doing great, right? But, but there I was, depressed and not getting out of bed, missing days of, of work at the hospital. So finally, I decided to go to three specialists. A gastroenterologist for my digestive issues, an allergist for my allergy issues that I was having at the time, and a psychiatrist.

• 6:39Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  Three days of, of consultations, three specialists, three diagnoses, seven prescription medications.

• 6:47Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 6:48Speaker 00

  Right?

• 6:49Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  Severe allergies, severe Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and severe depression. And he, the psychiatrist, pointed to my head and said, "Your brain is not making enough serotonin."

• 7:03Gary Brecka?

  Ah, the serotonin hypothesis of depression.

• 7:06Speaker 00

  So he gave me an SSRI.

• 7:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  And I took it. And within days, my, my, um, my ability to feel other people's pain was gone.

• 7:22Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  So, so how do you call that in English?

• 7:25Gary Brecka?

  Intuition.

• 7:25Speaker 00

  No. When you feel somebody's.

• 7:28Gary Brecka?

  Empathy.

• 7:28Speaker 00

  Empathy. So my empathy was gone. And my empathy is what I treasure the most because, I mean, that, that is what chose my career, right?

• 7:37Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  It was gone, so I stopped it.

• 7:40Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  I said, I better.

• 7:41Gary Brecka?

  You just cold turkey, turkey stopped it.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  Cold turkey and I started looking for different solutions. To make a long story short, I, I've had incredible experiences. Like, for example, I started to, to, when I quit the SSRIs, I started looking into meditation, I started reading, I started going to therapists, coaches, you name it, right? And one day, a friend of mine said, "Let's go to an ashram." I said, "What's an ashram?" He said, "It's a."

• 8:12Gary Brecka?

  In New York?

• 8:13Speaker 00

  In New York, upstate New York, in the Catskills. This is a, this is a monastery that, that there's a guru, Guru May.

• 8:22Gary Brecka?

  Ayurveda.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Swami Chitvilesananda. She comes from a lineage of enlightened beings. Swami Nityananda, Swami Mukhtananda, Swami Chitvilesananda, which is Guru May. And, and I went there because there was a, an event. They were celebrating the, the life of the, of the previous guru, Mukhtananda. And I felt so good and, and, and my anxiety and my depression kind of improved just from being there. And I was so curious that I signed up for one of their courses called the initiation course, right? And I went there and I had a very weird experience with, in a hall with 400 people meditating. I, I felt a little weird.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  I had this strange experience. There was a speaker and I swapped places with him. So the experience that I was having was looking through his eyes and seeing my body in, in the crowd.

• 9:21Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 9:22Speaker 00

  And that was kind of scary. And so I left. And when I left, I met one of the people that was living in the ashram. That was assigned to guide me through the ashram. I said, "Come, I, I'll, I'll take you to the office to find out when the next course is," right? But when we were walking, the guru comes out. And she was alone, which is a very weird thing. She's usually followed by hundreds of people.

• 9:48Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 9:49Speaker 00

  And she stopped in front of us and said hi to this girl. Her name was Prema. "Hi, Prema, how are you? Good? Who is this?" And she said, "This is Alejandro." She looks at me. And when she looked at me. I felt really strange. I mean, she was like she was looking through me. Like she saw my soul. Her presence was. And she said, what's your name, Alejandro? What do you do? I'm a cardiologist. I was about to graduate. And he said, oh, the heart. And she slapped me on my heart. And she walked away. The next two hours of my life, I cannot describe to you.

• 10:31Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 10:32Speaker 00

  Since then, I've tried ayahuasca, peyote, cambo, ibogaine. LSD, you name, you name every medicinal plant and other things that, like psychedelics and things. I've tried all for healing purposes. None of those, and even imagining the combination of all of those, had the effect of the slap that this lady, boom, when she touched me. The experience was of losing sensation of my body. And then suddenly, all, boom, all my, my consciousness, my, my, my awareness was in one point,

• 11:15Speaker 00

  which exploded. And then suddenly, I wasn't a body anymore. I was everywhere. I was in everything. I was, there was no past and future. It was, it was a very, very special state. And it was pure joy.

• 11:31Gary Brecka?

  Pure joy.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  It was like I had a preview, a synopsis of, of enlightenment. What it feels and what it, reading afterwards to try to understand what happened to me. I came across Abraham Maslow's description of this kind of state as cosmic consciousness. Anyway, it lasted for a few, for a few minutes. And it came on and off for a few days, right? But after that, my life completely changed. I moved and went to the monastery in India where I volunteered for about a year and a half as a cardiologist.

• 12:11Gary Brecka?

  She graduated as cardiologist?

• 12:13Speaker 00

  I graduated from Lenox Hill Hospital as a cardiologist. After NYU Internal Medicine Residency, internship and residency, then cardiology fellowship at Lenox Hill. Then India.

• 12:24Gary Brecka?

  Then India.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. And in India, I was learning to meditate. But, and in exchange, I was offering my services as a doctor.

• 12:32Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 12:33Speaker 00

  Taking care of the people in the ashram, which were at any given time about 2,000 people. And then we went on a bus to treat the poorest people on the planet.

• 12:42Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  We had this little bus turn into a hospital. We had antibiotics. We had sutures. We had a.

• 12:48Gary Brecka?

  Wow, like the Doctors Without Borders, you know, a lot of physicians.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  But this is, this is a thing that's organized by the ashram, right?

• 12:55Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  So that was, that was my, my.

• 12:59Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Change from Western scientific Newtonian Cartesian world into the world of, of, of, call it spirituality or.

• 13:11Gary Brecka?

  And, and eventually, though, what walked you out of the state that you were in? Because, you know, just here, listening to you, clearly there was a gut issue, highly linked to your diet. There was an overburdened some amount of stress. There was a depressive state. So now you've got a gut disorder, a mood disorder, you know, a metabolic disorder.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  Three diagnoses and seven prescriptions medications, correct? And nobody, nobody asked me what I was eating.

• 13:42Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Right?

• 13:43Gary Brecka?

  Your relationships were like, are you sleeping? Do you exercise?

• 13:47Speaker 00

  Nothing. In the, in the three consultations in the hospital, nobody asked me about those things. But, you know, after the monastery, I came back to the, to the United States. I moved to Palm Springs. I started working in four hospitals in the area. And, and there, all the benefits that I gained in the ashram in India from eating their food, which is vegetarian and cooked with love, and there's no stress, and you meditate all day. And I had some improvements on the, on these three conditions that I, that I described to you, right? Allergies, depression, and retinal bowel syndrome. And when I went back to the States, they came up, they came back with vengeance.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  At that time, a friend of mine stopped by from LA in Palm Springs. When I opened the door, I had seen him 10 days before, and I couldn't believe my eyes. This guy was transformed. His skin was clear. His eyes were bright and white. I said, what did you do in 10 days, right? He'd lost like 10 kilos.

• 14:49Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 14:50Speaker 00

  And he said, oh, I went to a detox center around the corner. I said, I didn't know you were on drugs.

• 14:54Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  I said, no, no, no, no, that's kind of detox.

• 14:56Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  I said, what kind of detox other is there?

• 14:59Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  Come. So he took me to a place in Palm Springs. It's a very famous place called the We Care Spa. And the owner turns to be an Argentinian.

• 15:09Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 15:09Speaker 00

  Woman that because of her own health issues, started with the whole thing, right? Now it's one of the most famous detox centers in the world, right? So I went there. I had a talk with her. She doesn't know much medicine lingo. But she told me things that kind of made sense. But the most important thing was that all the guests that I was seeing there were bright, were clear, were, and the longer they've been there. So I, so I said, you know, what's up with this? He said, why don't you do the program yourself? I said, I can't. I'm working in the hospitals. She said, come here for lunch. Don't eat anything outside of here. Get a colonic every day. And do only, only the juices and the supplements that we do.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  In 10 days, I lost 10 kilos. My allergies were completely gone, not improved.

• 16:00Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  And my depression, as if it never existed.

• 16:04Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  So I thought I discovered a, you know, gold.

• 16:08Gary Brecka?

  There's the gut-brain connection.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  That was about detoxification alone. So then is when I, I realized, and, and then I found functional medicine, right? Then I found the Institute of Functional Medicine. I started studying. And I realized that what's going on there was that we were optimizing the detoxification system. I started learning how to think in systems. And I realized that at this crossroad of evolution of humanity, there's two systems in the, in the body that are suffering the most. Because of the way that we live, we extracted ourselves from nature and we put ourselves in this, in these situations, right?

• 16:51Speaker 00

  Full of chemicals, eating processed foods, having unnatural relationships, right?

• 16:59Gary Brecka?

  Junk lighting like we're sitting under right now.

• 17:01Speaker 00

  All this, all this competition, this rat race. This is not what nature designed for us. So we departed from nature. And the two systems that are suffering the most are the detoxification system and the digestive absorption elimination system, right? The guts.

• 17:20Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 00

  So I went all in. First discovering detoxification. Then around 2010, I tuned into gut repair. And I developed a detox system, a detox program.

• 17:33Gary Brecka?

  You wrote the book Clean in what, 2006?

• 17:35Speaker 00

  I wrote Clean in 2008.

• 17:36Gary Brecka?

  2008, okay.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  Clean Gut in 2010.

• 17:39Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  And for both of them, I developed a, a program that is amazing. And the results are incredible. It's called Clean 21 and Clean Gut. It's a 21 day program.

• 17:50Gary Brecka?

  I really want to go down this road because when we talk about detoxification, so many different types of, of detox out there, or what people call detox. There's juice detoxes and there's water detoxes and there's cleansing detoxes. And what I like about your approach is it's a, in my opinion, back to the basics approach. And maximizing our, our God-given existing detox pathways, right? Phase one, phase two, liver detox, stool, urine, sweat, all of these ways that the body already has the capacity to get rid of toxins.

• 18:26Speaker 00

  So that is it. That, I mean, I love it because even when we were talking before, you go right to the point.

• 18:33Gary Brecka?

  I do this for a living.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, yeah, but a lot of people do that for a living, but they are not as good at.

• 18:38Gary Brecka?

  Thank you.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  I, I, I like distilling the issue, right?

• 18:42Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  And this is the issue. The body already knows what to do.

• 18:45Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  The thing is, you have to, to be a good healer or doctor, right? What you have to do is know the workings of the body so that you can create the conditions for the body to do what it already knows.

• 19:00Gary Brecka?

  Amen. Yeah, I completely agree with that.

• 19:02Speaker 00

  How do you do that? By removing the obstacles and adding whatever is lacking. This is the basis of functional medicine. Remove the obstacles, add what is lacking, the body will correct itself. Right? And in all realms, I'm not talking about just molecules like vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates and proteins. I'm talking about every aspect of humanity. Remove obstacles and add what is lacking.

• 19:29Gary Brecka?

  Yes, there's a saying that you you've said a few times and I love this. There are no incurable diseases, only incurable patients.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  I think that every disease could be cured and people that die are the people that don't find the cure or the healing on time, right? Now, do you know who Anita Morjani is?

• 19:55Gary Brecka?

  No.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  She's an Indian woman that was riddled with cancer. She was in stage four. I think the the the primary was breast or liver. I'm not sure, but it was metastasized everywhere. She was skin and bones. They took her to the hospital for palliative care. She was about to die.

• 20:12Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  She goes in, she has a near death experience, goes out, sees her bodies lying on the bed. And then has in count passes through a

• 20:24Gary Brecka?

  Portal.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  A portal and meets beings, loved beings, deceased beings, angels, whatever you call

• 20:34Speaker 00

  Jesus. I don't know who she met, but yeah. And then they said, it's not your time. And she suddenly comes back. Within four days, her tumors have had reduced to half. Within four weeks, they had gone. She wrote a book about it. It's called dying, dying to be me or something like that. I'm not sure. But but if it can happen to her, and there's thousands of

• 20:58Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 00

  Of spontaneous, spontaneous remissions of things. So that it means that the possibility is there. We are just not seeing what it is that we need to do, right?

• 21:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 00

  We we we kind of know a bunch about the the material aspect of it with vitamins, with chemicals, with right? But there's a lot of things that we don't understand.

• 21:23Gary Brecka?

  Yes, that's so true.

• 21:24Speaker 00

  I'll tell you a story.

• 21:25Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 00

  I run retreats. I go, I I I take over hotels, usually in nature, whether it's in the beach or in the jungle. People come, I bring my chefs, I create a program for people to come, just like you do here.

• 21:41Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  People come and live with you and you teach them. People come and live with me, but I I do more people at a time. So I need a bigger space and rent a hotel and I do it, right?

• 21:51Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  The last retreat that I had in Argentina was a year and a half ago.

• 21:57Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  I'm sitting down with and the people that come to the retreat, there's a lot of activities. I bring many of the authentic, true healers that I find, right? In in in many different modalities that some of them people haven't even heard of. So I bring them and and by bringing them and putting them together, you create the conditions and you you never know what happens.

• 22:21Gary Brecka?

  The condition, yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  So so this lady was sitting in front of me and she and lady, you know, she was very financially comfortable. She she she could see anybody in the world. She had seen doctors all over the world. They were unsure if it was SIBO or SIBO with methane or SIBO with hydrogen or or or, you know, there were, there were a few differential diagnoses that she was being told that she had. And she had given been given triple antibiotics, all kinds of things, and nothing worked. So I'm sitting there and when I'm sitting with somebody, I start at birth. Sometimes I start before birth, you know, like with their parents, where are they from?

• 23:05Gary Brecka?

  Sure.

• 23:05Speaker 00

  So she was born in Argentina. Her child was fine. She was she was vaginally delivered, which is a very important thing.

• 23:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 00

  It's it's the first

• 23:14Gary Brecka?

  Bacterial inoculation.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  It's the first inoculation, the first vaccine, natural vaccine. So she was born naturally. She was breastfed. She had a child, a nice childhood. She didn't miss school because of infection. She was completely fine. And I'm I'm looking and I'm looking at her while while we talk, right? I'll I'll tell you an exercise that I do a lot,

• 23:38Speaker 00

  especially while I'm talking to patients, right?

• 23:41Gary Brecka?

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• 24:18Speaker 00

  And and basically, it's like I kind of fuzz my eye eyes and I look at the the patient while I'm asking, while they're answering, to see any any changes, right? And when and when I'm going through her life around 20, I could see that she starts contracting. Something happened at 20 and and it had to do with her father. Now, I'm not a psychologist, a psychiatrist, so I didn't want to go into it, right? But I realized that. Then I went past and since then is when her digestive issues started. So when we finished, she said, what do you think, doc? Do I have SIBO? Do I have? I said, listen, I don't know exactly. We just sat down, but I know two things. You're

• 25:03Speaker 00

  severely constipated. She had been 14 days without pooping.

• 25:08Gary Brecka?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  And there was something that happened when you were 20 that includes your father that I think needs a little bit of investigation and exploration. Don't miss the family constellation session, which was gonna happen after our. Do you know what family constellation is?

• 25:24Gary Brecka?

  No.

• 25:25Speaker 00

  It's a form of therapy in which the therapist puts a lot of people and and says, who wants to constellate? So somebody says, okay, come. So what's your problem? I have a problem with my mom. Okay, who wants to be her mom? And she and the therapist brings people from the from the audience and then creates a kind of like a like an act in which all these feelings and things and people have breakthroughs and you break familiar patterns. Look into it because it's very interesting.

• 25:58Gary Brecka?

  I didn't know it was called that. I've I've seen, I I've actually watched

• 26:02Speaker 00

  There's a movie about it.

• 26:04Gary Brecka?

  People rewire traumatic emotions and and immediately experience relief. And this is, there's a, there's a physician, they call him Dr. Rewire. And I've been present when he has taken some of the darkest moments in people's lives, and this is in a group setting, and had them speak, think, and and out loud rewire that moment. And then I met people that had this done years prior, that were coming back to these retreats. And they were helping other people through it because they were completely profoundly changed.

• 26:45Gary Brecka?

  And things like chronic constipation, chronic unrelenting depression, anxiety, you know, inability to actually form meaningful relationships, you know, multiple divorces or multiple broken relationships, completely healed by somehow going back into the past and reframing their relationship with that trauma.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  Into generational trauma.

• 27:08Gary Brecka?

  I think there's an enormous amount of validity to that. I wouldn't really drill into the detox because again, we use this term so broadly, and I think most people have a different definition of what detox means. And I have led these different, you know, detox, not not retreats, but these detox lives. Sometimes we'll have 50, 75,000 people sign up for these. And and we've had very similar experiences. And this is getting people to have regular bowel movements, getting them urinating frequently, properly hydrated and mineralized, aim to sweat on a regular basis. So if they're not exercising or raising

• 27:48Gary Brecka?

  a sweat, you know, doing sauna, minimal intervention with cut binders, and then usually relatively dramatic shifts in in their diet. And by dramatic shifts, I mean just, it's more about what we take out of their diet than what we add to their diet. But I would love to know, what does a detox journey look like for you? Because I consider you a world renowned expert in detoxification. Where does somebody who's at home start with this? How do they take practical advice from this podcast and begin to live a detox lifestyle?

• 28:21Speaker 00

  So so the word detox has been misused, overused,

• 28:25Gary Brecka?

  I agree.

• 28:25Speaker 00

  Prostituted, commercialized, degenerated.

• 28:29Gary Brecka?

  Sure.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  Right? Detoxification is something that it's a process. One of the of the definitions of detoxification, or one of the ways that people talk about it, is according to functional medicine, or according to medicine, is just a function of the body. The body is doing that all the time. Like, for example, we exercise, we create a lactic acid. That has to be detoxified, or it'll kill you.

• 28:58Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  If you inject lactic acid in massive amounts, it'll kill you. It'll be accumulated.

• 29:02Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  When you when your cells work, they they consume oxygen and produce CO2. CO2 has to be eliminated. That's detoxification.

• 29:11Gary Brecka?

  Sure.

• 29:13Speaker 00

  You you're urinating, you're pooping, right? That that is, that's a process of elimination of the detoxification that happens in the body. Most of the detoxification in the body happens through the liver, the cytochrome P450 enzymes, the and and other enzymes in the liver, not only in the liver, mostly in the liver, right? So what does detoxification actually mean molecularly?

• 29:37Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 29:38Speaker 00

  90% of the toxins that we're exposed to

• 29:42Speaker 00

  Exotoxins, because the endotoxins, the product of our metabolism, those we are designed to deal with. But most of the toxins that come from the outside are only lipophilic. They only dissolve in fat. So that we already have a problem. Because our elimination channels are water soluble products, right? We eliminate through sweat, through urine, through feces. That has to be dissolvable in water. So the detoxification process is a two-step chemical intervention that delivered us through the enzymes with two objectives. One of them is cut the part of the molecule

• 30:25Speaker 00

  that actually causes the damage, the toxic part. And then the other thing that it does is it turns from lipophilic into hydrophilic.

• 30:36Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  So that these things can be eliminated through our channels of elimination.

• 30:41Gary Brecka?

  And this is only happening in the liver mainly?

• 30:42Speaker 00

  Well, mainly in the liver. It happens actually in every cell in the body.

• 30:45Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  But the liver has the factory of the cytochrome P450 enzyme. And you talk about this all the time.

• 30:51Gary Brecka?

  I do.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  Some of these things are genetically determined, like NTHFR, which you are very familiar with and use a lot.

• 30:58Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  With your patients, right? But all these things are part of the detox processes, right? Now, when people talk about detox, now they talk about also detoxing from toxic ideas, toxic relationships, toxic governments, you know?

• 31:12Gary Brecka?

  Yep.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  And that is all part of the concept of detoxification as well. But for me and for people at home that are watching and want to start and don't want to read more and don't want the analysis paralysis that you were talking about, or information overload that the internet is giving people, you know? For those people that want to start, there's the one thing that is gonna make the biggest difference for everybody, which is this, eat real foods.

• 31:46Gary Brecka?

  I wholly agree with that.

• 31:47Speaker 00

  And not food like products.

• 31:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  I think that that alone is the biggest.

• 31:52Gary Brecka?

  I've seen you say on your videos, the longer the shelf life, the shorter your life.

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 31:57Gary Brecka?

  I couldn't agree with that more. I mean, it used to be that food was so perishable, we literally went out and got food on a daily basis.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  I always say this, if you do an experiment, you get an actor or an actress. You put them on a lab coat and you call them doctor something, right? You put them in an office. And you tell them to act as a doctor. And you send them people with all kinds of problems. And you tell them, listen very intently. Because this is a big part of healing is the way you listen, the way the doctor listens, right? Listen really intently. But then afterwards, the only thing you do is you tell them to go on an elimination diet and to eat real foods with no eliminating sugar,

• 32:46Speaker 00

  coffee, alcohol, gluten and dairy.

• 32:51Gary Brecka?

  Sugar, coffee, alcohol.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Gluten and dairy. You tell the actor to.

• 32:55Gary Brecka?

  No raw dairy either.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Well.

• 32:57Gary Brecka?

  Because I do consume raw dairy.

• 32:58Speaker 00

  Well, A2 dairy is fine.

• 33:00Gary Brecka?

  I do.

• 33:00Speaker 00

  But I didn't know that at the time, right?

• 33:02Gary Brecka?

  I only consume A2 raw dairy.

• 33:05Speaker 00

  And not to confuse people, right? So if you tell an actor to do that.

• 33:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  Give a, judging by the results that that actor will get as a doctor, he will be the best doctor in the neighborhood or in the city, right?

• 33:20Gary Brecka?

  So true.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Only by taking away processed foods and gluten, sugar, dairy, alcohol and coffee. I do that all the time with people. And the results are.

• 33:30Gary Brecka?

  Coffee is gonna be a tough one, though.

• 33:33Speaker 00

  And once.

• 33:35Gary Brecka?

  I have my one a day, but.

• 33:36Speaker 00

  Once you detox, then you can learn how to use these things.

• 33:39Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  But that's the biggest thing that you can do. Eat real foods and not food like products.

• 33:45Gary Brecka?

  So you start there. And because that alone will begin to fix gut microbiome, the timing, the pace of your gut for regular elimination stool. Hydration also, I think that so many people are clinically dehydrated. If you can go an entire day without your body reminding you to drink a single glass of water, you're clinically dehydrated. And those begin the detox process. And you host these detox retreats, but you've also had very prolific experience with ibogaine. You're the clinic director of the ibogaine clinic?

• 34:27Speaker 00

  Well, no.

• 34:28Gary Brecka?

  No, okay. But what I was reading that I find very profound was that you found that when you fix the gut, that the experience, the outcome for ibogaine users was significantly improved.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  So.

• 34:44Gary Brecka?

  And I would love to dig into that.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  Well, ibogaine has become now a massive thing.

• 34:50Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  Because of Joe Rogan talking to Trump. And I don't know if you know how that happened.

• 34:55Gary Brecka?

  I do, yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  So ibogaine has been in the map of the Western world since the 60s. Howard Lotz of a drug addicted gentleman from Brooklyn got some ibogaine from a friend who traveled to Gabon. And he was a heroin addict, this Howard, this guy Howard Lotz of. And after the, his friend has tried this just as a, as fun, as a trip, right? Because it's a very interesting trip that ibogaine gives you, right?

• 35:31Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  So he had this trip. And when he woke up, he didn't have the desire to take heroin and he didn't have any withdrawal symptoms.

• 35:39Gary Brecka?

  Wow, that's the part that I find fascinating.

• 35:43Speaker 00

  He was blown away.

• 35:43Gary Brecka?

  Eliminating the desire for a drug is one thing, but removing the physical dependency is something else. Because I've seen this. I know people that are addicted, I've worked with people that are addicted to narcotic painkillers. And they hate being addicted to the painkiller. There's no like psychological drive to take the painkiller. But if they don't take it.

• 36:08Speaker 00

  They have the withdrawals.

• 36:09Gary Brecka?

  They have the withdrawals. So that I find truly fascinating.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is fascinating.

• 36:15Gary Brecka?

  Is to somehow reprogram the physical addiction.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  It's amazing. Ibogaine acts in so many receptors, you wouldn't believe it. It's like taking opioids, ketamine, MDMA, mushrooms and cocaine all at the same time, right? But with other effects. I mean, it boosts production of BDNF, brain derived neurotropic factor, GDNF, glioid derived neurotropic factor, NGF, neuron growth factor. So it's like a growth factor, growth hormone for the brain. There were studies done by Stanford University of athletes with traumatic brain injury where that after ibogaine, six months after ibogaine,

• 37:01Speaker 00

  their gruyere cheese brain was completely normal.

• 37:06Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 37:07Speaker 00

  It's amazing. So I found ibogaine about, in about 2010, when a very severe case of addiction was brought to me. And I was asked, you know, he's been to the best clinics. I mean, there was, he's a very wealthy, very famous man in Europe who was brought to me to see if I could help find something else that the rehab centers, the best rehab centers in the world were missing, right? Because he was falling back into it, relapsing every time from cocaine addiction and overdosing.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  So I started researching and I kind of stumbled upon ibogaine. So I started researching if there was any ibogaine clinics. I found one in Tijuana. I took this guy to Tijuana. The results were incredible. This was in 2010. And since then, I've been, I've been sending people to, for ibogaine. But recently, I took it myself. Because ibogaine showed me that the heart actually is a portal. The heart is not just a beating, a beating muscle.

• 38:18Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  That pumps blood. Have you heard the expression, I love you with all my heart?

• 38:23Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 38:24Speaker 00

  Now, have you ever wondered what that means? Have you?

• 38:29Gary Brecka?

  No. It makes perfect sense to me because your heart is everything.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  But, but, but you know, you love your heart, follow your heart.

• 38:36Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  But, but, but is it the muscle that we're talking about?

• 38:39Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  No. Because if it was the muscle, what happens to a patient that receives a transplant? Does he stop loving the people that he loved with that heart and start loving the people that the donor loved? Is it the muscle? And when you go into history of humans, you see that the heart has been described as the seat of the soul, as the portal from the unmanifest to the manifest. And when you hear of near death experiences, you see people going through a portal. And on the other side of the portal, everything is connected. It's the unmanifest. Now, I believe that that is how my daughter found out.

• 39:21Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 39:22Speaker 00

  And I believe that when you're thinking about something, someone, and they call you.

• 39:26Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah, there's.

• 39:26Speaker 00

  That is, it's through that.

• 39:28Gary Brecka?

  Thousands of documented cases like this.

• 39:29Speaker 00

  It's through that portal. It's through the heart, you know? So I understand the heart.

• 39:32Gary Brecka?

  Interestingly, it's usually between mothers or daughters and family members. For some reason, it seems that women are more intuitive, more in tune with these kinds of things.

• 39:46Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, because they create life inside and they give birth.

• 39:49Gary Brecka?

  And that's probably it. But I want to get, I want to land this, yeah.

• 39:53Speaker 00

  After, after that message, I woke up from that trance that people get into that leads them. And I don't know if everybody gets into a trance, but that's what happened to me.

• 40:03Gary Brecka?

  You didn't take your life.

• 40:04Speaker 00

  I didn't, of course. And so, but, but, and then I said, I have to do something. So I started, I called a psychiatrist.

• 40:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  I had three sessions. I had three sessions and I said. Maybe I should hang myself because if I have to, if I have to continue psychiatry, psychiatry sessions, I'm, you know. But, but, but then I remembered that I had experiences with ibogaine. At the beginning, I only used ibogaine for people with addictions. I sent people with addictions and PTSD and things like that. But then, after I found ibogaine in 2010, the indications for ibogaine, the benefits of ibogaine started expanding. And depression, and, and there's many more. Now, food addictions and all kinds of things.

• 40:50Gary Brecka?

  Chronic pain.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Chronic pain. I mean, it's unbelievable. So, so I said, maybe I should try. So I called a clinic in Cancun. There's a clinic in Cancun called Beyond. The founders are Thalia Eisenberg, who was a, an addict herself and got out of it with ibogaine. And her husband, Tom Fiegel, who created this place because they didn't find a good, comfortable, safe place to go when she was sick, right?

• 41:21Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  So they created this place and it's incredible. It's in Cancun and it's unbelievable. People go there from all over the world with addiction, PTSD, traumatic brain injury. But not only that, people that are looking into longevity, into prevention of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's. It regenerates your brain. It causes all kinds of, of.

• 41:41Gary Brecka?

  Wow, just a single session?

• 41:43Speaker 00

  One session.

• 41:44Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  One session cuts eighty-four percent, around eighty percent of addictions. Two sessions, ninety percent.

• 41:53Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, and, and your brain grows back. I mean, it's incredible. There is a danger of, of doing it and people have to be aware that it's a, it's a herb channel blocker. So, so it prolongs the QT interval in your electrocardiogram. It, it alters a little bit the conduction of the herb channels. You know, the potassium, magnesium.

• 42:20Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, the AV node, the atrioventricular and sinoatrial nodes.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  Exactly. So, so what happens is the QT can prolong and it can take you, and if, if, if a beat comes on the QT, it turns into torsades, which basically is cardiac arrest. It's a ventricular fibrillation, not fibrillation, but ventricular arrhythmia that leads to cardiac arrest. And that, but it's a very, very small danger. And if it's done in the right way, under monitoring and with an intravenous line, whenever you see the QT prolonging, you just give magnesium or even atropine and you correct it in a minute, in a second.

• 42:59Gary Brecka?

  So this is why you want to do it in a medical setting? So that they're actually watching this? Is somebody actually watching that monitor in the mix?

• 43:05Speaker 00

  You have a cardiologist sitting during the 10 hours of, of, of your session of ibogaine, watching the QT. A cardiologist and two nurses for each patient.

• 43:16Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  Well, that's why it's so safe. And you have an IV line. QT starts prolonging a little bit, a little bit of magnesium, it corrects. So I say that, that doing ibogaine in a place like Beyond, in the way that they do it there, it's safer than driving to your cardiologist in a busy, in a busy city.

• 43:37Gary Brecka?

  Right. So I've been working out with my son lately, trying to keep up with him and his high rocks competitive athletes. And I've been starting to use this Perfect Dino pre-workout. I really like it. It's got BH4. It improves nitric oxide output, but it actually seems to stay after the workout and not crash. There's no stimulants, so no caffeine, no Maong, nothing that gives you that kind of amped feeling. You just feel like you're maybe better able to move during the workout, like you have better blood flow. So if you're in the market for a pre-workout, check out the Perfect Dino pre-workout. It's my favorite now. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So, so, so for your situation, here you are again later in life. Well, let's call it rock bottom, obviously, because you're, you're in the midst of taking your own life.

• 44:20Gary Brecka?

  You, you went to this clinic. You got the ibogaine treatment. That shifted things for you.

• 44:27Speaker 00

  That and the healing of my, of my back.

• 44:30Gary Brecka?

  And that's what I want to get to.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  I had a car accident.

• 44:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 00

  And, and 10 years ago, that destroyed my L3, 4 and 5.

• 44:39Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 44:39Speaker 00

  And with big bulges and pressure.

• 44:42Gary Brecka?

  Do you have a fusion or?

• 44:43Speaker 00

  No, no, I didn't want to get a fusion. I tried, for 10 years, I tried everything. I tried acupuncture. I tried ozone therapy, which actually worked. Intra, intra disc ozone injections.

• 44:56Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, we have a physician that does that.

• 44:57Speaker 00

  I have videos, I'll show you later.

• 44:59Gary Brecka?

  I've seen it.

• 45:00Speaker 00

  You've seen it.

• 45:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  It took away my pain, but it came back.

• 45:04Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 45:04Speaker 00

  So, so finally I found CPI, Cellular Performance Institute in, in Tijuana. And I went there and I got stem cells in, in the disc, in the, in, in vertebral space.

• 45:22Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  And.

• 45:25Gary Brecka?

  Took away the back pain.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  I'm a different human being.

• 45:28Gary Brecka?

  Really?

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Between that and ibogaine.

• 45:30Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. What I really want to land, that I think you have a rare expertise in is, is you, you unpack this connection between what you call the three hearts. The heart in your skull or three brains. The brain in your skull.

• 45:45Speaker 00

  The brain in your skull, the brain in your heart.

• 45:47Gary Brecka?

  And the brain in your gut.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  There's, there's about a hundred billion neurons here. There's about half a billion neurons here. There's about forty thousand neurons.

• 45:59Gary Brecka?

  And trillions of bacteria. Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Trillions of bacteria. Now, the, the brain in the gut is the one that's in charge of intuition. That's where you get the gut feelings and, you know.

• 46:08Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  The brain in the heart is, according to, to, to ancient traditions, is the one that, that, that has to do with willpower, with the, with the honor and the sense of, of, of wholesome. It's like the wisdom in your, in your, in your, in your body, right? And this one is the one that listens, hears, sees, interprets, calculates things and talks.

• 46:40Gary Brecka?

  Sure. So, but when we talk about healing the gut, you know, quote unquote, or, you know, fixing the gut,

• 46:51Gary Brecka?

  how does that journey look? Like where do you fall with practical things like probiotics and fermented foods? And what are the best practices for the gut? So somebody's watching this right now. And I love the practical example of just eliminating dairy, coffee, sugar, alcohol and gluten. But aside from that, so much gut dysbiosis exists and it leads to so many consequential things. Mood disorders, emotional disorders, psychiatric diagnoses, skin issues, arthritis, autoimmune. I mean, the gut is literally connected to everything.

• 47:29Speaker 00

  The way I think about it.

• 47:29Gary Brecka?

  Where do we start?

• 47:30Speaker 00

  I divide a guy, the gut in four parts.

• 47:33Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  The microbiome, the gut wall, the lining of the gut, the immune system inside the gut, the neural.

• 47:42Gary Brecka?

  Seventy percent of it's there.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  Seventy percent. And the nervous system inside the gut, which is huge, right? In volume, it's bigger than this one.

• 47:50Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, that's vagal nerve intervention.

• 47:52Speaker 00

  Production of neurotransmitters is, is more, is busier than this one, right?

• 47:56Gary Brecka?

  Sure.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Now, those are the four components of the gut. And, and the, the problems that people are suffering from are with the two first. Dysbiosis and leaky gut or hyperpermeability, right? And those two lead to the other, the other two responding, trying to, because the body only knows how to adapt and survive.

• 48:22Gary Brecka?

  Sure.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  That's, that's the only, there's no information in the, in your genes on how to get sick. The only information that the nature put in you is on how to adapt and survive. What we see as chronic diseases today are adaptation and survival mechanisms that have been turned on for too long. Have you heard that concept before?

• 48:43Gary Brecka?

  Yes, yes.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  So for example, there's a gazelle in the jungle, right? And there's a lion that comes. The gazelle was present and quiet until it.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  It detects the lion and then

• 48:56Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Fight or flight goes escapes, it either dies and gets killed and eaten, or it escapes. And when it escapes, it goes after a while, it goes back to being present and complete dead piece. Now, during that, that adrenaline escape fueled moment, right? Blood pressure goes up, heart rate goes up, all kinds of things happen in the body that ends in micro fissures in the arteries, especially in the coronary arteries, because the heart is going so. Now, these micro fissures, then the body knows how to deal with them.

• 49:32Gary Brecka?

  Cholesterol.

• 49:33Speaker 00

  Put a bit of cholesterol, and just like a scab under the cholesterol, your, your skin under the scab will heal.

• 49:40Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  And then the scab falls, the artery under the cholesterol will heal, and then the cholesterol will be reabsorbed. And Dean Ornish proved that, that, that plaque is reabsorbed if you put people on a good diet. And you, you know, Dean Ornish's studies, right?

• 49:56Gary Brecka?

  I've, I've, I've heard of them.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  Okay, he put, he put people with coronary artery disease after, after, after catheterism. And then, and then he, he, he knew exactly what the coronary artery disease was. And then he put these people on a vegetarian diet, meditation, yoga, and a bunch of other things. And then he repeated the cardiac catheterization, and the plaque had reduced. So that proves that.

• 50:21Gary Brecka?

  Okay, I just read one on nattokinase, similar.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Similar, yes, yes.

• 50:25Gary Brecka?

  So, so, so how does somebody?

• 50:29Speaker 00

  So what happens if the gazelle continues to run, and, and the micro fissures continue to be there, more cholesterol, more cholesterol, more cholesterol. And then eventually, the adaptation and survival mechanism, which is the cholesterol accumulation, turns into the disease. But it's not a disease. It's an, an adaptation and survival mechanism that's been turned on for too long.

• 50:52Gary Brecka?

  Ah.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Why? Because we have departed from the ways of nature.

• 50:56Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  So it's all, you know, so dysbiosis and leaky gut are the two biggest problems of human beings.

• 51:02Gary Brecka?

  I could not agree with you more. Dysbiosis and leaky gut. And so.

• 51:07Speaker 00

  And that's where the immune system gets confused, at, at the level of the leaky gut. Because the, the, the thing is this, the gut, the, the body.

• 51:16Gary Brecka?

  Single cell layer.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  The body has a layer outside that protects you from the outside, right?

• 51:22Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  Your eyes are exposed to the outside, you have tears, and you have, and you close, and your skin is, is protecting you from the outside, from the invaders or whatever, right? And the gut, but the gut is more exposed than anything, because you're throwing tons of stuff.

• 51:37Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  Throughout a lifetime that is processed.

• 51:39Gary Brecka?

  Constant. And it's only a single cell layer.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  So what happens is this, the, the cells of the gut wall should be hermetically sealed by something called a tight junction. It's a protein, a carbohydrate, not too much fat, a glue that the cells produce and the, and the bacteria help them produce, that glue them. Why? Because the immune system that's on the other side, this is the intestinal tube where food is coming, the immune system is on the other side, is always alert, right?

• 52:16Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  So let's say the army is sitting, there's a brick wall preventing them from seeing what's on the other side. So they're there with their guns. Imagine if you take out a brick, and now they can see, they're gonna start shooting.

• 52:32Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  Right? So this is the immune system, they, the immune system, I'm making it simple, right?

• 52:36Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 52:37Speaker 00

  The immune system.

• 52:37Gary Brecka?

  This is, I, I could completely agree with this theory.

• 52:40Speaker 00

  The immune system inside the body cannot see what's inside the lumen of the, of the.

• 52:43Gary Brecka?

  It's outside the body.

• 52:44Speaker 00

  It's outside the body with the food until it's absorbed. Now, the moment it's absorbed, which only should be by active absorption, the cells should engulf.

• 52:55Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  And put, and throw it into the bloodstream, right? It shouldn't go in between the cells.

• 53:00Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 53:01Speaker 00

  Now, when things go in between the cells, now there is no selection of the, of the cell, selecting the protein or the amino acid or the, it's anything goes through the leaky gut. And the immune system on the other side, the immune system on the other side, you know how the immune system works? It's by recognizing surfaces. So let's say that each cell of the immune system has a scanner, and scans every surface that it comes across. And then there's an Akashic record of your, of your own surfaces.

• 53:31Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 53:32Speaker 00

  That the, that this information is compared to, and when, ah, that's ours, that's our kidney, that's our, you know? But when it's a surface that you don't recognize, you make an antibody or an, or, or, or a reaction against, right?

• 53:48Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Now, things that leak through a leaky gut, the immune system is not supposed to see them. Proteins, even, even big peptides, right? Because you're supposed to be absorbing only amino acids. Amino acids don't have a surface big enough for the immune system to detect. Fatty acids and esters, which is what digestion fats ends up, which is what is absorbed, they don't have a, a, a, a, a big enough surface for the immune system to recognize. Same thing with simple carbohydrates.

• 54:23Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 54:24Speaker 00

  But once you start leaking non-digested food, and chemicals from the processed stuff that we eat.

• 54:34Gary Brecka?

  Cholesterol, yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Then the immune system go crazy.

• 54:36Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 54:37Speaker 00

  And even autoimmune diseases happen because, and I'm gonna simplify it. Let's say you eat a chicken breast. It's, it's a muscle of a chicken. It's not too different from your muscle, right? Your immune system cells, if they see undigested muscle of the chicken, it's gonna attack it.

• 54:56Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 54:57Speaker 00

  But it's going to be very similar to yours. So it may end up attacking you. You may end up attacking yourself.

• 55:03Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 55:04Speaker 00

  And this is considered by the immune system as necessary collateral damage, because it's so focused on the chicken protein, this is an invader, we have to kill it. Well, what about, your muscle is very similar. Well, it doesn't matter, we kill a little bit of our muscle too.

• 55:20Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  Or we'll kill the chicken muscle.

• 55:22Gary Brecka?

  I've always, I've always maintained that autoimmune is not idiopathic. It is not of unknown origin.

• 55:27Speaker 00

  This is how it happens. Listen, in, in, even.

• 55:31Gary Brecka?

  Something called the immune system.

• 55:32Speaker 00

  And there's bacteria that shouldn't be crossing. For example, you, you know what the HLA system is?

• 55:38Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  So the HLA system is this system that recognizes surfaces. And there's, there's a bacteria that has something called the HLA 27, that when it passes, it, it, the immune system reacts against that bacteria, and, and it ends up creating antibodies against joints. And you end up with, with.

• 55:59Gary Brecka?

  Rheumatoid.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  Autoimmune.

• 56:01Gary Brecka?

  Rheumatoid arthritis.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  Rheumatoid arthritis.

• 56:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. No, I, I think all of these, you know, if it attacks the lacrimal and its chagrin, and the colon and its groans, and the thyroid, its Hashimoto's. But the question is, what called the immune system? The immune system just didn't show up randomly and start attacking the tissue.

• 56:19Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's this, it's, it's the leaky gut.

• 56:23Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  That confuses the immune system. Because the immune system doesn't know that the gut is leaking. The immune system sees, okay, everything.

• 56:31Gary Brecka?

  There's something's wrong.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Something's wrong.

• 56:32Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 56:33Speaker 00

  The, oh, these things are passing through, let's attack.

• 56:35Gary Brecka?

  So I, I wanna, I wanna go right at that, because I, I, therein lies, I think, the genesis of the vast majority of autoimmune disease. And, and when you look at autoimmune disease as a category, all autoimmune disease, eighty-two or eighty-five percent of it is idiopathic, right? It's of unknown origin. So in other words.

• 56:56Speaker 00

  Unknown to the doctor that's looking at it.

• 56:58Gary Brecka?

  Unknown to the doctor. So you're, you're led to believe that eighty-five percent of the time.

• 57:02Speaker 00

  The body's making a mistake.

• 57:03Gary Brecka?

  The body just made a mistake.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  There is no mistake.

• 57:05Gary Brecka?

  And, and made a mistake for no reason, right?

• 57:07Speaker 00

  And listen, you are talking about autoimmune diseases.

• 57:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 00

  I'm talking about all chronic diseases, autoimmune diseases being one of them.

• 57:14Gary Brecka?

  It's interesting, is, is the same is true in primary hypertension. You're a cardiologist. Eighty-five percent of all primary hypertensive diagnoses are idiopathic.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  I say this, I say this, ninety-nine percent, if not a hundred, Gundry, which was sitting here, says a hundred. I say ninety-nine percent of the chronic diseases of the modern world begin in the gut.

• 57:37Gary Brecka?

  Okay, so now we're gonna.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  Dysbiosis and leaky gut.

• 57:39Gary Brecka?

  I wanna go right at that. So the vast majority of people listening to this podcast right now have some kind of condition in their gut that they could improve. I may not.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  Not only the ones listening to, every human live, being, living in the modern world has some degree of gut dysfunction.

• 57:59Gary Brecka?

  Here's the good news, every human being in the modern world listens to my podcast.

• 58:02Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 58:03Gary Brecka?

  So.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  I know.

• 58:04Gary Brecka?

  We're not that popular, but.

• 58:06Speaker 00

  That's why I'm happy to be here.

• 58:07Gary Brecka?

  So I'm, I'm happy to have you, because here's why I wanna provide this solution for my audience. So what are the stages that we can take to begin to live a lifestyle, to supplement with peptides, that we can use to start walking down the road of healing and sealing the gut? Because if that was the only thing that we ever did for humanity, imagine the impact.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 58:30Gary Brecka?

  So.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  Your, your question is huge.

• 58:33Gary Brecka?

  I know it's huge. We're gonna try to do as much as we can.

• 58:35Speaker 00

  Multifaceted, right?

• 58:37Gary Brecka?

  At least let's.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  I wrote a book about it, and, and, and it wasn't enough. I, I could have written five books about it, right?

• 58:43Gary Brecka?

  At least let's frame how to approach it. Like, where do we start?

• 58:46Speaker 00

  So, so the main thing that we have to understand is that human beings are a, a weird species, because we have departed from the ways of nature. Not, no other species has done that.

• 59:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, that's why you don't see obesity, chronic disease, depression, anxiety in the wild. I talk to my wife about this all the time. When we go out to Colorado, these animals are the healthiest, happiest. I grew, I grew up in Southern Maryland and, and deer hunted when I was young. The deer there are emaciated. They look like starving Great Danes. I go out to the Colorado mountains and like, yeah, they're

• 59:25Speaker 00

  And they're bears.

• 59:26Gary Brecka?

  They're big. The bears, they're big. They're healthy. They're climbing up and down the mountain. They eat all day. They drink in the stream. They sleep. They've got their little community. They're all together. The animals are healthy and thriving. I have never seen an obese animal in the wild. I've never seen an animal that seems to be depressed. And I'm sure if you examine them, they don't have depression, anxiety, obesity, chronic disease. And if you're a hunter, you know what it's like when you've got these animals and you butcher them. They're clean, right? So you're right. These are diseases of the modern world. Interestingly, I had a very prolific veterinarian a few weeks ago.

• 1:00:09Gary Brecka?

  And she said, the chronic diseases that we face in America, morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, you know, all of these different chronic diseases, metabolic syndrome. She sees the exact same conditions in domesticated animals. They have the same rates of heart disease, cancer.

• 1:00:27Speaker 00

  Because we make the same mistakes with them that we make with ourselves. You know, they have departed from the ways of nature because we forced them to.

• 1:00:34Gary Brecka?

  Right, right.

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  So that's the main thing.

• 1:00:36Gary Brecka?

  Okay, so departed from the ways of nature. So now you're starting to frame, how do we get back to the ways of nature? Because what if I live in New York City?

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  So if you live in New York City

• 1:00:45Gary Brecka?

  A whole lot of pastures.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  And you go to the supermarket to get your food, do not walk the aisles.

• 1:00:51Gary Brecka?

  Perimeter.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  Walk the periphery of the supermarket where you find the fish, the poultry, the meat, the vegetables, the fruit, right?

• 1:00:59Gary Brecka?

  This is where it starts.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  This is where it starts. Do not walk the aisles in the supermarket ever again and you'll live longer. Because as you said, the longer the shelf life, the shorter your life.

• 1:01:11Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  This is not food. This is food-like products, edible stuff that was made in a factory. Only by doing that, I think that humanity would shift its conditions.

• 1:01:23Gary Brecka?

  You know, I think there's a growing awareness. I think for the first time, the government is about ready to define ultra-processed foods. I think that will help. I think you're seeing regenerative farming and things begin to be funded at a federal level that is shifting the way that food supply interacts with Americans. So I think that is a good thing. We're also starting to remove some of the toxicity from food, petroleum-based dyes and food additives, narrowing the grass loopholes. These are all just ways of trying to shift humanity back to more naturopathic ways of getting our nutrition.

• 1:02:05Gary Brecka?

  But because so many people are suffering right now, listening to this podcast, with leaky gut and chronic conditions related to their gut, eczema, psoriasis, tension deficit disorder, I mean, you name it. So start by shopping the perimeter of the grocery store. What are must-have, if you think, any supplements that people should be on for their gut? Are you a believer in peptides like BBC 157, colostrum? Any of those things that we know do help to heal and seal the gut? Are you a fan of pre-pro and post-biotics?

• 1:02:41Speaker 00

  I'm a fan of pre-pros, post-biotics. I'm a fan of L-glutamine.

• 1:02:46Gary Brecka?

  L-glutamine.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  L-glutamine. Without L-glutamine, I wouldn't be able to help a lot of the people that I help.

• 1:02:53Gary Brecka?

  So just supplementing with L-glutamine?

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  And it has to be in the right way. It has to be on an empty stomach because glutamine competes for absorption. So if you eat it without other stuff, you're going to absorb 1% of what you take. So it has to be on an empty stomach, nothing to eat, at least half an hour after you take it.

• 1:03:12Gary Brecka?

  So let's say, wake up, brush your teeth, a little bit of water, L-glutamine.

• 1:03:16Speaker 00

  I say do glutamine before you brush your teeth, but yes.

• 1:03:19Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. And you do three to five grams.

• 1:03:22Gary Brecka?

  Three to five grams.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  And then you take nothing for half an hour. So then you go brush your teeth and then you have breakfast. And then you do it again at night.

• 1:03:31Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  So that's the way I use L-glutamine with people that have moderate to severe leaky gut.

• 1:03:38Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:03:38Speaker 00

  Or that I suspect, because many times I don't even do blood tests or anything. I just look and listen.

• 1:03:45Gary Brecka?

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• 1:04:25Gary Brecka?

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• 1:04:37Speaker 00

  Very immediately.

• 1:04:38Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Okay, so L-glutamine.

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  L-glutamine, magnesium, B12.

• 1:04:43Gary Brecka?

  Magnesium, B12.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Methylated B12.

• 1:04:45Gary Brecka?

  You're singing my tune, my brother.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  Yes, methylated B12.

• 1:04:48Gary Brecka?

  Preach it. Yes, I love the methylated vitamins.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  But Gary, you talk about these things all the time. And you probably know more than me about these things, about supplements and stuff. So your listeners are well-versed, right? What I want to bring up in this conversation is that, yes, supplements and diet is important, but there's a whole aspect of life that is not measurable in that way or takeable in that way. Like, for example, the lady that I was telling you about, that had a breakthrough for something that happened with her father 40 years before, that was keeping her gut leaky and dysbiotic.

• 1:05:28Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:05:29Speaker 00

  And once that was resolved, broken through, she healed.

• 1:05:35Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  So there's this aspect of...

• 1:05:39Gary Brecka?

  And how do people engage with that, right? Where do they go? What do they read? What do they consume? How do they practice engaging with that?

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  That's a really good question.

• 1:05:53Gary Brecka?

  Hopefully, you're going to answer.

• 1:05:54Speaker 00

  And the truth is, it's different for everybody.

• 1:05:57Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  You know, because I see people from all walks of life. I've seen the richest and the poorest people in the world, and I've helped both of them and everything in the middle, right?

• 1:06:10Speaker 00

  It's not enough to know about these things. Like, for example, I know about functional medicine and supplements and everything. I was still depressed and suicidal, right? So it's different for everybody.

• 1:06:27Speaker 00

  You know, the books that I read, right? I started, one of my first books, and he now became a very dear friend, is Bruce Lipton.

• 1:06:36Gary Brecka?

  Oh, Dr. Bruce Lipton. I love that.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  That was one of the first.

• 1:06:39Gary Brecka?

  He was the first one that got me to really believe in the quantum.

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:06:43Gary Brecka?

  And the quantum entanglement and in that. And that he explained the unexplainable by putting together, in my opinion, the science and the rationale behind how everything is so universally connected. And there's factual science for this. I mean, there've been plenty of experiments where you split atoms and you carry them to opposite sides of the world and you can change the rotary direction of one and instantly changes the other one. So for the non-believers, if you want to call them that, there's data.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  And this is very related to my daughter sending me a message.

• 1:07:20Gary Brecka?

  There's no question. Everyone listening to this podcast right now has had an event in their life that they can't explain. You know, they didn't get on the plane one day, or they banged a U-turn and went back to the house for something and missed a traumatic event, or a loved one called them at a precise moment that it actually mattered, like the text from your daughter. And not just being a text like, "Dad, I miss you. I love you," and, you know, words of encouragement, specifically, "Don't kill yourself."

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  I know this is going to sound bizarre.

• 1:07:54Gary Brecka?

  That is wild.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  But please don't commit suicide.

• 1:07:57Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  I mean, a 14-year-old writing that is just unbelievable.

• 1:08:01Gary Brecka?

  Those are not the words of a 14-year-old child.

• 1:08:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. And listen, there's a lot of shame and broken pride and that I am experiencing right now, even talking about this. And I know that whenever I told people, I've told friends of mine, I told... People look at you differently. Even though a lot of people, they may have had a similar experience, but they kept it to themselves. I don't know why there is this.

• 1:08:32Gary Brecka?

  Stigma.

• 1:08:33Speaker 00

  Stigma, you know. That's why I say I'm gonna talk about it. I don't care who talks to me afterwards or that.

• 1:08:40Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, you know, I think there's a, I think there's a lot of these stigmas that I think unfortunately for the last half century have just kept people stuck. You know, women's health is probably one of the greatest holes in all of functional and biohacking medicine and the industry because women for decades just didn't talk about their issues with menopause and the thoughts they were having in, inside their head when during certain cycles of their hormones. Men don't talk about erectile dysfunction and, you know, I, I think that's all changing in a very positive way.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:09:17Gary Brecka?

  And we, the FDA just removed the black box warnings from female hormone therapy. Major step towards, you know, not forcing millions of women to consider, you know, continue to suffer because they think no libido and brain fog and weight gain and whatever retention and exhaustion and diffuse pain and irritation and anxiety are just things you have to live with, right? You have to push through. But I want to get back to the gut because the, the gut journey is, is so important. Obviously cleaning up the diet, no glutamine. But what you're saying is there needs to be a spiritual awakening too.

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:09:54Gary Brecka?

  And what I'm asking you is, how does someone who doesn't have a guide in their life right now, that hasn't gone to an Ayurvedic retreat, where does that person start their journey? How do they begin to unlock past trauma that they might not even know exists? How do they begin to get in touch with that identity of themselves? Is it in silence? Is it prayer? Is it meditation?

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  It's all of them.

• 1:10:24Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  It's all of them. It's community, it's, it's finding a mentor. Right? I've, I've had mentors all my life.

• 1:10:32Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  They were hugely influential. So I, I really encourage people not only to find a mentor, but also to find somebody to mentor, right? Because I think that that is passing knowledge and, and, and wisdom from generation to generation. There's books, there's, I mean, there's a lot of things that one can do, right?

• 1:10:52Gary Brecka?

  And, and you talk a lot about these three brains and how they all need to be aligned. So we've got the practical one up here evaluating the real world. You know, people always say, you know, my brain says yes, but my heart says no, right? Or my heart says yes, my brain says no. Like, I'm falling in love with the wrong person, right? Because my brain is like, this is not the right person for me, but my heart is like madly in love. So how, how do we align these three brains? When you talk about this alignment.

• 1:11:30Speaker 00

  So, so there's, there's many aspects to the, to this question, to the answer of this question. I'm gonna talk about a couple. One of them is chemically, right? That, this is what hypogene actually does. It kind of realigns the three brains.

• 1:11:48Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:11:49Speaker 00

  Right? And there's other interventions that can, like psilocybin, ketamine. I mean, there's a lot of things that I don't think that they're being talked about in the right way or also talked about in the way that, that are of aligning the three brains, right? It's always about chemistry and receptors, but, but, you know, I, I see that as tuning the radio and then the music that, that the radio emits is, is the result. But, but what I was gonna tell you is that, that the other aspect of, of, of, of the

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  question that you asked is, is, and let me see if I can, if I can reframe it. Can you repeat the question?

• 1:12:38Gary Brecka?

  So you, you talk about these three brains, the brain in your head, the brain in your heart and the brain in your gut. And you, and you talk about the need for alignment.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  I got it. So one of the things that is really important is understanding our inner technology. And this is, I teach my, my patients and my friends. For example, right now, we are talking and you are having an experience of listening to me and maybe thinking about something else, looking at the, at the next question, right?

• 1:13:08Gary Brecka?

  Oh no, I'm engaged.

• 1:13:09Speaker 00

  I know you're engaged. I know you're engaged, but, but, but look at me. Let me take you through an exercise.

• 1:13:16Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:13:17Speaker 00

  Now, as you listen to me, don't say yes, don't say no, don't, don't gesture. Don't. I know you're listening. Stay absolutely still. Put your hands like that, right? And stay absolutely still. Now, as you listen to me, put some of your attention on your feet. Don't say anything, don't respond, just, just listen and do what I tell you inside. Put your attention on your feet. Feel your feet from inside. Feel the temperature, the humidity, calculate the position of the feet, feel whatever they're touching, the, the texture of your socks, right? You can get a lot of information from your feet.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  Keep on feeling your feet as you listen to me. Now add your knees. Feel your legs and your knees together with your feet. Feel your butt against the chair, feel your back against the chair, feel your hands against your knees, feel your face, feel your ears, feel your whole body. Now continue, continue, continue. Because if not, you come back here and you, now as you're feeling your feet, your brain is sending electricity down a long cable, gathering information from the receptors and sending electricity back. So you're activating something. So keep on doing it. Keep on feeling your feet, your hands, feel them intently.

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  Now as well, don't only look at me. Keep on, your eyes in this direction, but notice everything. I can see the microphone, I can see the table between us, I can see the chair, I can notice the floor, the light, the painting. You can notice all of these things too. Even, even from this angle, I can notice your, your, your tribe there, right? So, so keep on noticing everything, keep on feeling your feet, your butt. Now start listening to everything, not only me, but you can listen to the air conditioning, you can listen to some noises over there that your staff is making, right? Now keep on feeling your feet, your body, keep on seeing everything and keep on listening

• 1:15:28Speaker 00

  to everything. And if you're outside, you can add the birds and the cars and, now what is happening right now? Do you notice a difference in your experience from three minutes ago, two minutes ago to now? What is it?

• 1:15:45Gary Brecka?

  Incredible. Like for me, that was just a deep sense of calm.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  Presence.

• 1:15:50Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:15:51Gary Brecka?

  Deep sense of calm.

• 1:15:52Speaker 00

  Your feet are here. The noises that are happening are in the present. They, they see, things that you see are in the present. So when you are putting your attention in things that are present, your feet, your body, the sounds, the, the things that you see, and you're putting your attention there, you're anchoring your attention in the present. Now people don't do this because they think this is counterintuitive.

• 1:16:22Gary Brecka?

  It was profoundly calming.

• 1:16:24Speaker 00

  Why am I gonna be feeling my feet and listening to everything? I'm talking to Gary. I wanna be here.

• 1:16:30Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:16:31Speaker 00

  They, they think that if they do that, or they would think if you tell them, that it would distract them. But the fact is that when you do that, you become way more present, you calm yourself and you are able to be way more eloquent because it just comes through you. You don't have to think, this is what I'm doing now. I've been doing since I, the whole day since I woke up, you know, trying all day long. Because when you meditate 20 minutes in the morning, you go, or an hour, whatever it is that you meditate, usually you find a, a quiet room where there is no noise, where there is nothing. You close your eyes, so you.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  You isolate yourself and you deal with the but in life, meditation, in action, how do you become present in life? Right? This is how you do it. And this is using your inner technology. Because you have your nerves with you, you have your ears and your eyes with you all the time. You're just using it in a way that it's beneficial for you. And we can all do this for free, all the time.

• 1:17:39Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:17:39Speaker 00

  And it's incredible.

• 1:17:40Gary Brecka?

  What does it do? Help you drown out all of that noise? That was really good. That was really good.

• 1:17:48Speaker 00

  We wake up with a hundred units of attention a day that we're gonna use. Now, how are you gonna use that attention? Attention is electricity. For example, if I tell you, put your attention on your finger, you are activating a nerve that goes to the receptors, gathers information and comes back. And you can see, you can measure temperature, humidity. I can see if my finger is like that or like that without looking at it, right? So there's all these receptors, there's all this technology. And when the cable is activated, there's friction. Electrons are running through. That friction releases endorphins.

• 1:18:30Speaker 00

  But not only that, when you are voluntarily using of that hundred units of attention, you're using whatever it is voluntarily, there's no, there's left attention left to go into the thinking brain. Because if you look at the condition of human beings today, most people are thinking all the time. They cannot stop thinking.

• 1:18:52Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:18:52Speaker 00

  Why? Because thinking is where there is less resistance for attention to go. There's way more resistance putting your attention on your foot.

• 1:19:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Speaker 00

  Than just letting it flow into your thinking mind. But to reclaim that attention and put it in the present, it's a hugely beneficial act.

• 1:19:12Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:19:12Speaker 00

  That alone.

• 1:19:14Gary Brecka?

  Beneficial act for, because what I felt was a calming of my nervous system.

• 1:19:18Speaker 00

  For your physiology.

• 1:19:18Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. I felt like the way I do after breath work or trying to meditate.

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  But Gary, keep on doing it. Keep on, keep on. This is difficult. That's why at the beginning I told you.

• 1:19:29Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I abandoned it a few minutes ago.

• 1:19:32Speaker 00

  Exactly. That's why at the beginning I told you, don't say yes, don't say no. Because doing it is already so difficult that people to it took me years to be able to remember during the day to do that. Now I remember many times during the day. And I don't do it all the time. Animals in the wild are like that. They're fully present. If you see a, an animal eating or grass or drinking from a river, they don't even need to see another crocodile coming or they listen, you know?

• 1:20:08Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:20:08Speaker 00

  You can see them immediately.

• 1:20:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Speaker 00

  Because they're fully present.

• 1:20:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Speaker 00

  We are not. And why? Because we're not using our.

• 1:20:16Gary Brecka?

  And what are the consequences of that?

• 1:20:19Speaker 00

  The world as it is, war, famine, envy, all the things that are dysfunctional with human beings that are the consequence of departing from nature and becoming un-present. This is the fall from, the fall from paradise, the fall from heaven. And the expulsion of the Garden of Eve. That's what it means. You don't go to heaven or hell. You live in heaven or hell.

• 1:20:49Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:49Speaker 00

  It's always, you're either there or not.

• 1:20:52Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Wow. That was a, that, that exercise alone, I think was worth the entire podcast. It really was. So Dr. Junger, how does my audience find you if they wanna find out more about you or your books?

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  Dr. Dr. Alejandro Junger on Instagram.

• 1:21:14Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:21:14Speaker 00

  I'm on TikTok. My books are Clean, Clean Gut, Clean Eats, which is a recipe book.

• 1:21:20Gary Brecka?

  And Cardiology is coming, right?

• 1:21:21Speaker 00

  And Clean Seven, and now I'm writing Clean Heart.

• 1:21:26Gary Brecka?

  Clean Heart, okay, that one's, that one's coming. Well, we're gonna go into my VIP community because they are so excited that you're here. They've got a whole bunch of questions prepared for you.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  High VIP community.

• 1:21:37Gary Brecka?

  But before we do, I wind down all of my podcasts by, by asking my guests the same question. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:21:51Speaker 00

  To be free and present.

• 1:21:53Gary Brecka?

  I knew you were gonna say present because that was so profound.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  Fully present, because I think that that is the key. I think that that is, that is what all the spiritual gurus are teaching. It's all about being present. Yeah, that's what an ultimate human being is for me. Because even, even when you see the, you think of ultimate human beings, you think of athletes, right?

• 1:22:18Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:22:19Speaker 00

  When you look at athletes, what is the one thing that you see in common? Their attention is in their body.

• 1:22:28Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:22:28Speaker 00

  Right? They're more present. I, I, when I watch basketball games, right? I look at the, when they scan the public and you see the people, the players waiting. You can see clear difference between the athletes and the people. The athletes are.

• 1:22:50Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:51Speaker 00

  But you see them in real life, not in the court. They usually, because they spend so much time putting attention on the ball, they're usually more.

• 1:23:01Gary Brecka?

  Present.

• 1:23:02Speaker 00

  Present and calm, you know?

• 1:23:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  Athletes are like that.

• 1:23:05Gary Brecka?

  That's a great answer.

• 1:23:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Gary Brecka?

  That's a great answer.

• 1:23:07Speaker 00

  That is, that is for me, being an ultimate human being.

• 1:23:11Gary Brecka?

  Well, I think you're an ultimate human, so.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:23:14Gary Brecka?

  Thank you so much for coming on the Ultimate Human Podcast. My VIPs are very excited to talk to you. I'm gonna follow your journey. I hope you'll come back after you publish the cardiology book, Clean Cardiology, as I think that we'll put links to all of those books in the, in the, in the show notes.

• 1:23:32Speaker 00

  And one more thing.

• 1:23:33Gary Brecka?

  One more thing before.

• 1:23:34Speaker 00

  Cleanprogram.com, that's where you can.

• 1:23:37Gary Brecka?

  Cleanprogram.com.

• 1:23:38Speaker 00

  You can get the easiest way of doing a gut repair program or a detox program. I created this kit that you can get at home that has the shape. Because what I do is I replace solid meals with, with liquid meals to reduce the workload of the digestive system, which is the one that competes with the detoxification system. This is one of the problems of humanity, that we're eating so much and so often that we're always digesting and therefore energy is stolen from the detoxification system.

• 1:24:11Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  Right? So I, so anyway, replacing meals with liquid meals, these kits, they have the liquid meals, they have the probiotics.

• 1:24:19Gary Brecka?

  How long do these last?

• 1:24:20Speaker 00

  The L-glutamine, everything. It's a 21-day program or a seven-day program.

• 1:24:24Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:24:25Speaker 00

  The 21-day program is really for the people that have autoimmune diseases and problems that they really want to address in a natural way. A seven-day program can start you or can show you or can be something that you do to maintain. I do a clean 21-day program every year and I do a clean seven-day program every change of season. And I would love to send you and.

• 1:24:48Gary Brecka?

  That would be great.

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  And your staff.

• 1:24:50Gary Brecka?

  My staff will do it.

• 1:24:52Speaker 00

  And you can do it one week and you do it all together.

• 1:24:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 00

  That would be amazing because when you do things together.

• 1:24:59Gary Brecka?

  Maybe we'll do it on our staff retreat or onsite.

• 1:25:03Speaker 00

  Let's do it.

• 1:25:04Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Okay, beautiful. Thank you so much for that. We'll add those to the show notes and until next time, guys, that's just science.