310. Why You Aren't Absorbing Your Supplements - Chervin Jafarieh

You are what you absorb, not just what you eat. Integrative Health Philosopher and Researcher Chervin Jafarieh joins Gary Brecka to explain what happens when your gut can't absorb what you take. They cover how antacids, soda with meals and low stomach acid affect digestion, why cortisol can leave you short on digestive enzymes, how liposomes made from phosphatidylcholine carry nutrients past stomach acid, and why slow chewing helps your gut get more from meals. Shop Gary’s favorite Cymbiotika products here: https://bit.ly/4y3alOQ Click here to join Gary’s VIP Community: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Listen to Chervin Jafarieh on all your favorite platforms! YouTube: https://bit.ly/46ShSVq Spotify: https://bit.ly/3VlHveP Apple Podcast: https://bit.ly/46QsHrc Connect with Chervin Jafarieh Website: https://bit.ly/3VGeJFM YouTube: https://bit.ly/4rCnug5 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4hUdCLi Facebook: https://bit.ly/3Traiy4 TikTok: https://bit.ly/4z5Jqmk LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3TvcTXy Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp CYMBIOTIKA: “BRECKACYM30” FOR 30% OFF: https://bit.ly/4tjyluP GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN & GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction 02:36 - Ayurveda, biodynamics and soil science 09:14 - Blue Zones and the soil microbiome 12:11 - Gut-brain connection and serotonin 14:02 - Why single-nutrient supplements fall short 24:43 - What a liposome actually is 27:58 - Gut issues that block nutrient absorption 30:11 - Cavitations and cone-beam X-rays 33:06 - Chewing slowly and digestion 36:49 - Where to start fixing your gut 40:16 - Antacids, apple cider vinegar and stomach pH 42:04 - Postbiotics, butyrate and antibiotics 43:30 - Food combining and bloating 47:16 - Why fasting hunger comes in waves 48:50 - Glutathione and the liver 51:32 - How raw colostrum is sourced 54:57 - Chervin's daily routine 1:02:50 - Menopause and women's supplementation 1:07:00 - Magnesium, night waking and bowels 1:10:02 - Why your body must feel safe to sleep 1:16:04 - What it means to be an Ultimate Human Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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  Our entire mental, emotional state is dictated by the health capacity of our microbiome.

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  The soil microbiome and the gut microbiome, they used to be very sympathetic. And I think how far we've come from that.

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  We are furthest thing from that natural world. And that's why we supplement, because growing the most mineral dense food is part of the chain of creating the best alchemy for people to eat.

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  I mean, most of us eat like somebody's gonna steal it from us. Big bites of chicken or meat and that gets into the gut. There's not enough surface area for the enzymes to get around them and indigestion, bloating, constipation, they're linking it to the food, not actually the way that they ate.

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  We're taking the information from the food. Our body's learning from it. And so I love this point from a gut health perspective is that we have to chew our food. And I think that's the ultimate way to break bread.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  What is some advice that you would give to people that want to start addressing gut related issues at a macro level?

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  I see people chasing better gut health without understanding the microbiome. And I think from my standpoint.

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  Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Today's guest, Chervin Jaffaria, is going to be a wild ride. We're talking about the intersection of things that usually don't go to the same parties. Biochemistry, Ayurveda, the most ancient form of medicine known to mankind, traditional Chinese medicine and bio-identical or bio-regenerative farming, something I'm seriously interested in. And as a matter of fact, want to ride out the rest of my life on a regenerative farm. So I don't know where to start with you, man, but there's so much ground that we're gonna cover.

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  First of all, welcome to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

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  Gary, you came as advertised times 10. It's wonderful to be here, to be in your beautiful home, around your family, around your entire crew. This has been world-class and a long time coming. So I'm so stoked to be here.

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  Yeah, thank you so much. You're a very special human being, man. Getting to know you has been a really enlightening experience for me. And I'm always fascinated when, you know, I see folks in different, you know, places in the socioeconomic ladder, but that have very unique value systems. And, you know, like I said at the beginning of the podcast, you know, biochemistry and Ayurveda, those usually don't go to the same parties, right? And traditional Chinese medicine, regenerative farming, you know, these are, these are back to the basics, centuries old observational practices.

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  And yet you run one of the most progressive, modernized, impactful supplement companies in the world. And I mean, just an enormous fan of the science and the delivery systems that you formulated. And we're gonna go deep into that because it's a, it's a core curiosity of mine, a core competency of mine. And my audience is always like thirsty for the knowledge of how did these things work? But I'd love if you'd talk a little bit about, you know, how you got here and the pathway and your walk through Ayurveda and your gravitation towards traditional Chinese medicine.

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  You know, I think these two worlds merge today because the science today is showing that the homeopathic energy, the frequency energy, the vibration of being connected to the earth, the soil, how things are cultivated, how they're extracted, how they're, you know, were designed to create short-term and long-term benefit for whatever village or cultivar in specific region is being identified today through, you know, basic science and understanding the compliance of science works to prove that these elements are part of the human condition. It's part of our growth. It's part of our cycle in life. And, you know, at an early age, I kind of had an investigator mentality, you know?

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  I think it's part of my, you know, my purpose in this life. I want to learn, you know, just like you.

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  Yeah.

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  School of hard knocks, constantly want to rip something open.

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  Curious.

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  How is that working? And one of my main mentors growing up was Dr. Rudolph Steiner, who was introduced to me by my cousin, who at the time was, you know, one of the leading authoritarians in the world on raw food. And he was bringing all the superfoods to North America. And I was seven years old watching this happen unfold. And I was learning things outside of the norm, you know? It was like, oh, you know, we should be juicing grass. Well, what is grass? Well, it's got chlorophyll. What's chlorophyll? Chlorophyll is bio-identical to human blood. You know, it's just one of the structure different. I'm like, I learned that.

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  So close to our hemoglobin, yeah.

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  So, so close. And I learned that at seven. And that was right at the time I started learning about biodynamics and kind of a Waldorf thinking, which is be an investigator, be part of the direct observation. Cause there's, you know, reading a book and learning standard practice, school systems has a purpose. I'm not here to push against that, but there's nothing like being an investigator in nature and seeing it and feeling it with your own experience. And get your feet in the earth, get, understand how to grow food. Someone always asked me, it goes, what's the number one thing you would do to elevate our world? Well, get all the kids in the garden, have them learn how to grow food.

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  Wow.

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  Give them that practical purpose and also responsibility and discipline, which creates devotion, right? To the food that they're eating. Today, people are just, food's arriving at their front door. It's gotten to that level. Like before I'd go to the farmer's markets with my mom.

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  You'd go to the grocery store.

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  Go to the grocery store and like search. And that was part of my exercise. I remember like, that's a thing. You meet people, you talk to people, you learn where food's grown. Today, food's just showing up to the front door. So what I'm saying is, you know, as a child, I was able to get into the earth. I was able to understand what it took to actually grow tomatoes, what it took to grow celery, what it take to grow whatever. And then when you consume that food, there's an energy to it, you know? Food today, as you know, has become a fringe commodity, you know? And that's a problem.

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  Yeah.

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  That's like 101 issue. And a lot of the ancient regenerative alchemists, if you will, that understood soil science said food can never become that commodity. It has to become holy. It has to be part of the village, you know? We have to have small, medium-sized farms.

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  Yeah.

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  And then I learned biodynamics. I learned that there's a cosmology above us that dictate how foods grow properly and how to mineralize the food and how the sacred cow is the gold standard of the manure. And it creates the black gold and the waxing and waning of the moon and the rotation of the heavens. All of those things have to do with how the quality of the food is. And then it snapped into me, and I learned this probably at age nine or 10. Growing the most mineral dense food and understanding these laws of practices is part of the chain of creating the best alchemy for people to eat. There's no doubt about that. You're getting the best biotics, the best minerals, the best nutrition, all of that stuff.

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  But that, in my opinion, we were talking about this earlier, I think that's the side effect. I think the main quality is harnessing the devotion in the children and growing the food so the kids understand the practice.

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  Yeah.

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  And that right there is what leads us into the next chapter. Because if you compare a child that's never done that, has no idea the hard work, the sacrifice, the necessary energy.

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  The time.

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  The time, just to make one tomato, you know, or to make one cucumber. It's like, it's energy. It's a, it's a whole thing. There's a different mentality. There's a different connection to purpose versus a child that's been in there since their age three, you know, that's been in the soil. Not to mention all the health qualities of actually being in that soil, right? You know, from the fulvic hume and all those stuff. So I had that upbringing. I was able to see that.

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  And where was this, in Hawaii?

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  This was in La Jolla, California.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Really?

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  Yeah.

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  Right on.

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  Yes, I was born and raised in La Jolla. And, um, you know, I have two Persian parents. My mom was, you know, a mystic in her own way. And so I had a little bit of that cultivation as well, see outside the box. My parents didn't try to hold me. They let me free. They let me roam free. You know, I have, I was given no, I mean, they, there was wisdom, there was, there was discipline, but from like a emotional standpoint and a freedom of thought and ideas, I wasn't held back. And then getting mentored later by my cousin, who again was just turning into this raw food guru, I was just able to have this different, you know, side of understanding life from

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  all the different complexes of the world too, at such an early age. And I, you know, I was kind of revolting against what the program was.

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  Yeah.

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  You know, I didn't get really get along.

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  Really early on, I might add, you know? You know, what's really fascinating is when I look at blue zone research and I look at like some of these ancestral novels about food and how can you have such different

• 9:31Speaker 01

  diets leading to extended life expectancy? So there wasn't, you know, one dogmatic diet that extended life. There seemed to be regions where the diets were so vastly different, but you had these really extended lifespans.

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  You know, what what they've uncovered is a lot of what you're saying, like the soil microbiome and the gut microbiome, they they used to be very symbatico.

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  Identical.

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  Almost identical. You're right. There were a few strains that were in a human, you know, different strains in cattle, but the geographical radius was was generally a long walking distance.

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  Yep.

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  And that was for animals, that was for water sources, that was for agriculture. And so what happened is the soil became them, they became the soil.

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  That's it. We're a mirror of it.

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  I I think I think how far we've come from that now.

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  Look what's happened to North America, you know, you're familiar with what happened with the bison, how there was seven million bison roaming North America in the early 1800s.

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  No.

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  And then within 10 years, there was 15,000 left. Those bison were basically tilling the entire North American plain, which was cultivating the soil. They were pooping, they were eating, they were running around, creating this.

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  Hooves and.

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  Hooves and the whole thing. It created the hydrological cycle, the rain cycle, the minerals, and that was North America. Yeah, that was the the substance of North America. And within, you know, 15, 20 years, poof, gone.

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  Wiped out.

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  That changed the whole trajectory of North America at that point.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  You throw in that industrialization of our world, you throw in the cities, the cement, the sewage system, I can go on and on.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  It's a whole thing. We are furthest thing from that natural world.

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  Right.

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  The furthest thing. And that's why, you know, we supplement.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  That's that's really, it's people ask me, why do you, you know, why do we need supplements? We kind of do now.

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  Yeah.

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  Because we don't have biodynamic farms in every, you know, township, you know, we don't have soil science being, you know, prophesized by families, because that should be the holy grail. Because as we were talking about last night, our entire mental emotional state is dictated by the health capacity of our microbiome, starting from the oral all the way down to the bottom. It's one alive mechanism that has tentacles in every idea, in every thought, in every emotion, and our resiliency as a humanity. And look at where we are today.

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  Yeah.

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  For me.

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  You know, Dr. Perlmutter sat in that chair day before yesterday, David Perlmutter, he's a mentor of mine, even though he doesn't know he's a mentor, because I I read a book that he wrote in 2013, I read in 2014 called Grain Brain. And then he wrote another one called Gut Brain Connection. It was the first time that someone had framed the importance

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  of the gut microbiome and its direct impact, not just on our thoughts and our desires, but on pathology and what we would call these disease states, mood disorders, mental illnesses, and how we've categorized all these ways to slot people into these mental conditions. You have ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar, you know, anxiety, depression. And he was like, these are, these are modern day issues.

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  Hundred percent.

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  It's not that they didn't exist in some form, you know.

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  Not at this scale.

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  A century ago. But yeah, they're they're modern day issues related to the total devastation of the gut.

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  That's right. And we'd said last night, because you brought that up, you draw a line down to the root of that, and at the base of it is the gut.

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  Yeah.

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  You know, all the, you know, every nutritive, protective compound, for the most part, that is part of the the mindset from serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, enandamide, the bliss, right, all of that is manufactured in the GI. Right? And it's done like, it's almost like its own universe. It's perfection. Whatever created this.

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  We've never been able to duplicate it in pharmacology either.

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  Can't.

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  We've been able to blunt it or or increase our capacity to absorb it, but we've never actually been able, we don't have serotonin factories.

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  No.

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  We can take a shot of serotonin or like a glass of dopamine, like, we we.

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  You can accelerate it, right?

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  We can accelerate.

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  Precursor it.

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  Yeah. And we can precursor it, for sure.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  But but basically, enable. And what I find fascinating about what I feel are like the leading minds, and I consider you one of those, and especially with regard to formulation, is that your attention to source, you're not just paying attention to the science of biology, you're paying attention to this universal source, how everything is interconnected, and how we can't just take one vitamin, one mineral, one amino acid, and just pluck that one out and think we're going to put it into the body and have some kind of magical reaction.

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  You have to respect the architecture of of how it was done. And I think that's what makes your your capacity to formulate so so unique. I know you're you're in the process of patenting a liposome.

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  Yep.

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  And for the folks that are listening to the podcast that don't know what liposomal technology is, I think everybody's heard of it. I don't think they really understand of it.

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  Yep.

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  What is a lipid nanoparticle, right?

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  Right, right, right.

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  That sounds really.

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  What is, what is that?

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  Yeah.

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  Now, I first, I just, I appreciate your, you know, your ability to see where the origin is of this, you know, because when me and Shahab set out to do this, you know, we both agreed, you know, it wasn't just me, it was both of us, we both agree that if we do this, we're going to go all in here. There's no way of sacrificing anything. We've got to, we're going for the best here. This is the premium, you know, this is the top of the line.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  It goes into human beings, I mean.

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  That's my line. It goes into people's bodies.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  You know?

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  It's the greatest calling of service, you know.

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  Yeah.

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  Thanks, you good ass.

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  It's not even, I don't even feel like we're doing anything special, to be honest with you. It's an obligation, or it's like, this is just the way you do things. And I think because of the background of understanding soil science and regenerative agriculture and how biodynamics work in nature, it put me in position to look and see how to design these formulas properly. So we don't have, you know, single compound applications, because the body does not recognize that. The body wants food, it wants minerals, polyphenols, vitamins, fats, you know, wants proteins, it wants enzymes, it wants all these different things moving in carriers. And as you, you know, always articulate properly, it goes through first pass digestion, which, you know, could be the saliva in the mouth, right?

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  And going down the duodenum, going into the gut, the hydrochloric acid, all of these things, the different enzymes breaks down, goes down into the intestinal tract. That's where things start, should start opening up, and the body starts recognizing them in their pure form with complexity to them. So it it's reminded that you're eating a broccoli, you're eating a whatever, you know, piece of fruit, whatever it is that's embedded in there, and you're getting those nutritive compounds. And that's how Symbatica was designed.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  It was done with that complexity. If you look at our label, you can see there's, you know, 14 to 20 compounds in there.

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  Yeah.

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  And all of them have a purpose. They're not fillers. They're all designed to create a complete process.

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  Yeah.

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  And from a liposomal perspective, you know, I I'm not someone that wants to call out different groups and stuff like that. But from a purity standpoint, I mean, we're getting the awards now, you know.

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  You're the most pure in the NAD, most pure in CMOS.

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  Yeah.

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  One of the highest trust factors in the entire industry for the whole supplement space. There's a third party.

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  I love, I love, I love those credentials, Gary. It's it speaks to our entire team, our research and development team, my partner in crime, Dr. Shilpa Raut, who we're able to get over, who has a PhD in liposomes, me and her together.

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  PhD in liposomes.

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  In liposomes, yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Where did your life go wrong that you decided to get a PhD in liposomes?

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  Yeah, no, exactly. That was the first thing I told her.

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  That's where I'm going to draw.

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  That was the first thing I told her. I was like, PhD in liposomes, I don't, I don't trust it.

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  Yeah.

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  And and she's, she's been a spark to my, you know, flame, and it's been incredible working with her. And we, you know, we were just like, how do we get better? How do we get better? How do you sharpen the blade? Well, you got to understand the foundation and how the body recognizes supplements as food. How do we convert that? And Symbatica, and I don't want this to be a whole Symbatica thing, but.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  It's basically, we took supplements and turned them into food.

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  Yeah.

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  And didn't sacrifice on quality, on execution, on standards at all whatsoever. We went to the highest level.

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  Yeah.

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  And now our, you know, gold standard, you know, double-blind, you know, pharmacokinetic studies are proving it out, and it is.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  I just read one before we came in, on the creatine study.

• 18:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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  I just, just literally just finished reading it.

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  It's just, it's, it's incredible. And it's, it's a testament to the entire organization.

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  Yeah.

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  I'm just, I'm, you know, I I stand so, you know, with so much humility, because when you have an organization, as you know, I met your people, when everyone's all in, it just changes the entire trajectory and movement and momentum. And so I feel that with Symbatica right now. Our patent is almost filed. We've gone through the entire process. It sets us apart from everyone. It's so unique. How I, you know, we're able to identify how to develop this patent really sets us apart. And all, we're going, you know, we're quadrupling down on all our clinical studies right now.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  You know, just to, just to really bolster that.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  People ask me health questions every single day about their labs, their sleep, their supplements, their genetics. I want to help every single one of them. And that's why I built Just Ask Gary. It's an AI trained on everything I know, including my protocols, my research, and my methodology. You ask the question, you get my answer, any time of the day. Go to theultimatehuman.com/AI and check it out. Now, let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. You know, I love what you said was that your supplements is food because in the human body, a lot of the delivery, meaning bioavailability and whether or not it has

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  the capacity to be used by our cells, it has to do with the signaling. And you know, this is true in autoimmune disease, this is true in all kinds of complex conditions in the human body, that there's certain markers that the body inherently recognizes. It has enzymes to pair with them. It can, it can break them down and turn them into other compounds. You know, one of the things that just always fascinated me when I started studying methylation was how a compound will enter the body and a certain cycle of methylation

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  will use it and it will discard this waste. So it'll take trimethylglycine and will break homocysteine down into L-methionine. Okay, so it throws out this quote unquote waste product. But then that's picked up in another part of the cycle and that's turned into acedenosylmethionine. Then that's turned into acedenosyl homocysteine and that's turned into homocysteine. It's just, it's fascinating. It's, and it reminds me of what you were talking about earlier, how the bison trampled the soil and then they, and then they poop in the soil and then they fertilize the soil and then, you know, the soil grows up all of these nutrients, then they eat those and it's, it's this really

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  Symbiotic.

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  Ooh.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  That's where the name came from.

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  Symbiotica.

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  Symbiotica.

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  It really

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  All things in nature coming together to create perfection. There's no waste. It's sentropic by nature as opposed to, you know, maniacal entropy that we're seeing in industrialization world, which we know is causing nothing but death and decay and pain. That, that world has to end. This world is the only thing, this is our utopic world.

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  Yeah.

• 22:06Speaker 00

  And these conversations, what we're talking about, how you just explained the methylation pathways and how the body knows how to transport into different areas to do this, to do that, as opposed to just some dead end.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're just dead end, right.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  Right? A lot of things are dead ends and when you're in a dead end in your body, like whatever, some pharmaceutical or whatever.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  What happens to the user?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:27Speaker 00

  Confused, angry, frustrated.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  We call side effects.

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Shut down, side effects. That's exactly what happens. You know, the liver, the kidneys, all of these things, the bioflow, all of them get involved and they're confused. And you do that for 10 years, no wonder we're at the disease rates that we're at and people are suffering. So I, I love that you've taken charge in this world, this world of methylation. You know, most people didn't know if their kids were on the spectrum or if they needed to properly methylate, you know, because they weren't getting access to these compounds. They weren't eating broccoli sprouts, you know, they didn't get access to other senoletic compounds, but just an adjustment on a derivative of a form of B vitamin.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  You know, it can all of a sudden give you the aha, waking up moment and you don't need to be doing enemas 10 times a day. It was a cellular switch that had to happen.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so true. It was that, it was that recognition, I know what you are. I can, the body has three choices. It can, it can take something and turn it into energy. It can build something from it.

• 23:32Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Or it can eliminate it as waste. And, and this is why we never desensitize to food, right? Because you could eat, let's say 1,500 calories a day, every day for the rest of your life. Well, why aren't you eating 4,000 calories 10 years from now and 10,000 calories 20 years from now? Because you're not desensitizing to it. Because when you take in food, and I mean real food, the body's either going to turn it into energy, use it to build something, or it's going to eliminate it as waste. And it's very efficient in being able to do that. The framing of designing supplements as food, I want to say that's the first time I've, I've heard that.

• 24:10Speaker 00

  Oh wow.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  And it's, it's a very intelligent framing because what you're doing is you're taking the deficient nutrients from nature, the way they occur in nature and delivering it, packaging it, and by packaging, I don't mean the, the box. I mean the packaging that that nutrient is in, in a way that the body's like, oh, you're food, you're energy, you're a structure, or I'm going to get rid of you.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  100%.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  And so there's that, it's very in sync with, with the bio cycle, you know, in people's bodies. So I want to unpack the liposome and then I want to, I want to actually, I want to go into the gut for, for a moment because there's a lot of, so many issues that can be solved, including in my opinion autoimmune and even some forms of cancer, by really going back and focusing on our gut. I'll give you a stat. This is anecdotal, but we have more than 150,000 patients through our previous clinic. We did not have a single patient that suffered from anxiety that did not also have severe gut dysbiosis.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  So was it the anxiety that caused the gut dysbiosis? The gut dysbiosis that caused the anxiety, right?

• 25:23Speaker 00

  It's pretty obvious, right?

• 25:24Speaker 01

  So what's, what's so fascinating about this liposome? First of all, can you just prescribe a liposome for us and then tell us what's unique?

• 25:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. So we use pure phosphatidylcholine, which is what's made up in our body.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  I take it every morning.

• 25:40Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Take a tablespoon, boom.

• 25:42Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Eyes, brain, central nervous system, liver, all of it. It helps produce acetylcholine, which is one of the most important neuroprotective compounds for the brain. It's, it's part of the electric, you know, voltage of the body because it shows up on the outside of all the membranes. It has this very unique energy and it's hydrophilic and lipophilic and it has a head, it has a tail. There's a whole thing to phosphatidylcholine. And ours is sunflower derived. We don't use any soy products.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, sunflower lecithin.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  Pure phosphatidylcholine. Okay, I want to like make that known. That's, you know, it's not easy.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Looking right in the camera.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  It's not easy to do that. You know, a lot of people out there, they'll just use lecithin, which is a lot of material that don't really solidify, don't add up, but it's a lot cheaper to use, to be honest. It's expensive, but it was the only thing that we can do. We're, we're not going to select all these raw materials all over the earth, deliver this payload and then on the, on the surface while we're protecting that payload, fall short. Who does that? So it's pure phosphatidylcholine and a lipid bilayer is essentially, think of like a basketball. I'm going to throw a basketball to Gary and I'm going to put all these nutrients in there. You talked about our NAD formula, you know, we have 300 milligrams of NAD, we have a gram, 1,000 milligrams of trimethylglycine,

• 27:05Speaker 00

  we have epigenin in there, we have our Ludamax trademark in there, Sinoanthens, we have a little bit of caffeine, we have some other compounds in there, and we wrap that entire messaging board with this phospholipid bilayer. So a basketball. And I can throw that basketball now to Gary and he's going to be able to catch it and it's going to be fully intact. That's what a liposome is. It's a, basically it's an encapsulated sphere that makes its way through the bypassing of the gut into the large intestine so it can be properly broken down and then hit the bloodstream and the body knows what to do with it at that point.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  The bile salts, they dissolve that layer. Now the, whatever's in the package, you know, the basketball breaks open.

• 27:47Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Right? So it delivers the payload now into the gut.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  You've still got a ways to go to get to the target tissue, but you've made it past the most vicious part of the cycle, right?

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely. And as you know, because of all your testing, a lot of people have a lot of issues during that entire process, you know, whether it's leaky gut, lack of enzymes, you know, terrible hydrochloric production. I can go on and on, different pHs, the pH is off, H-pylori, all these different conditions that the body's just, you know, falling apart. You know, that's why, you know, these types of absorption delivery systems is critical to get those nutrients in. It's kind of a orthomolecular medicine perspective, right? Where they, you know, you realize that a lack of nutrients in certain key compounds, like the ones that you work with, if you don't have them, the body starts to forget, forget its programming. The transcription factors start to fall apart. Once that happens,

• 28:41Speaker 00

  then ailments begin, confusion. It's usually confusion and depression, as you know.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  And then, and then from there, it's just all downstream at that point. So our entire desire, our goal was to set up, was to come out of the gate, create the cleanest, most transparent products, and then deliver them at the highest quality of efficiency. You know, because what's the old adage, you are what you eat?

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  No, you are what you can absorb.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Right?

• 29:09Speaker 01

  At this, at this point, we're at that level.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, we really are.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you can't absorb it, what are you doing? You know, you're just eliminating and

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Taking in calories.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Taking in calories and probably stressing out your kidneys and your adrenal glands.

• 29:20Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? That starts to build up. And because we're also exposed to so much toxicity in this world, you know, we're at the point now, I always say, my cousin always says this, shout out to you, brother, is that detoxification might be more important than nutrition these days.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  I could not agree with you more.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  Right?

• 29:38Speaker 01

  I could not agree with you.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  It's at that level. It's just, it's kamikaze. Like we can't even believe what we're exposed to. So if we're not absorbing these nutrients and you're in a toxic load and a deficit, you're just, it's just diminishing returns till you hit, you know, this, you know, breakdown. And then you might have co-infections, you might have Epstein Barr, you might have Lyme, you might have whatever.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  Those things just explode. And now you're in trouble, or you have an oral infection, or you have a cavitation, whatever, we can go down that entire rabbit hole.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Huge. I love that rabbit hole.

• 30:11Speaker 00

  That's a, that's a big one.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  My doctor Gandhi on here this week was one of my favorite biologic dentists.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, that's, I have a whole story.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Changed my life about cavitation.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  I had four cavitation surgeries. I had four cavitation surgeries by Dr. Valerie Kanter, top bio dentist on the west coast.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 00

  And.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  And you had the cone beam x-ray.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  I had the cone beam, of course. Everyone in my family's cone beams. What's that? I got everyone cone beam now. You're cone beam, you're cone beam.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Hey, I got my wife in use for recess in Switzerland for our anniversary, so.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  There you go. Amazing.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  We're not that far apart.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you cone beam x-rays for Christmas. Yeah, it's a cone beam x-ray.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  It's the greatest gift of all time.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  It is a great gift.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm not a big x-ray guy or CT guy, but the cone beam you do.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  You gotta see what's in there. And if you had your wisdom teeth pulled.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  So you had four of them done?

• 30:56Speaker 00

  I had four of them done.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 30:57Speaker 00

  I was asymptomatic, but I intuitively thought something was wrong here. I just felt it in some of the most like quiet moments of my life. So I went and got the cone beam. And sure enough, I had four deep pocket cavitations and I immediately got rid of them. This was in 2020 and boom, aha moment.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, same.

• 31:17Speaker 00

  Clarity, efficiency, total recall.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Focus.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  Focus.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  And, and that goes in line with what we're talking about here, you know? It's just, this whole journey we're on, it's just, we're sharpening the blade. You know what I mean? And momentum in life can go any direction. You know what I mean? Like.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  You start like getting depressed, you stop, start reaching for things that aren't good for you. It's part of like the escapism thing.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  A lot of people go through that because people are suffering out there. I'm, I'm empathetic to that. I feel that. I know you do too. I can feel it in your heart when we met. That's why we do what we do. And when you see that, like, there's certain nuances that if they just elevate here, all of a sudden they can get to a point where they can start moving the next direction. And it just takes one moment. It takes one conversation. And that's, that's the beauty that I feel with Symbatica. That's the beauty that I feel with our entire organization. Because people recognize me on the street not for being a celebrity.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 00

  They recognize me for like really fighting for them and being transparent and being open to have these conversations.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 00

  I'm not hiding behind a boardroom. I'm not hiding behind a shelf with a suit and tie. Nothing against that, but I'm like, I'm in it, you know? I live in these labs. I live on, on this excursion of getting to the highest level of attainment. Because this life matters, you know? Like this life matters.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  You're one run at it.

• 32:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's the only way you have to think. And your entire ecosystem will evolve around you. And that's, isn't that the point of being healthy? The point of being healthy, we also talked about this and we're aligned here. It's not to be recognized as the healthiest person. Who cares?

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 00

  It's about elevating your tribe.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  Your town, your city, and that's, you know, that's where we gotta go, man.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I totally agree with you. I want to, because this, this conversation could go so many directions. I want to sort of zero in on, on the gut.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  I, I've watched a lot of your posts. I think, I think you're spot on with the gut where, you know, you'll dish out five things that people can do for their gut. I love that you, you go back to mastication too, because one of the things that does get overlooked in a lot of regions where people spend a prolonged amount of time, meaning time eating, is that it's, it's engaging and it's a social environment. Europeans are famous for this. Late night, long dinners, you know, because it's, it, there's a big social component to it. You know, it's one of the reasons why I think the French, when you looked at longevity studies, were able to mitigate the effects of cigarettes and wine.

• 33:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Because when they were having cigarettes and wine, it was usually around community and connection.

• 34:01Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  And, and we know that the.

• 34:04Speaker 00

  It's a ceremony.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yes, ceremony.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Ceremony.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Ceremony.

• 34:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. They weren't just smoking cigarettes wildly in their car.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  No.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Or smacking down a bottle of wine, you know, straight out of bed. The wine and, and, and that nicotine and the cigarette just signified it was that time of the day where they were decompressing and they were connecting with their, their family. And that connection was more powerful than the downside of what they were consuming. I'm not saying have long dinners, eat late, drink wine, smoke cigarettes. That's not what I'm saying.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  But you're making a qualitative point, that there was purpose behind it. It wasn't unconscious.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  Right.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  It wasn't unconscious. It wasn't just mindlessly, you know, ripping on a pink vape.

• 34:43Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  But, but you, you touch a lot on mastication, which is just chewing your food.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  You slow down enough to, I mean, most of us eat like somebody's gonna steal it from us.

• 34:53Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Right? Big bolus, you know, bites of chicken or meat or fish. And that gets into the, into the gut. There's not enough surface area for the enzymes to get around them. And indigestion, bloating, gas, constipation, they're linking it to the food, not actually the way that they ate.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  Totally. And they, and they took down, you know, 20 ounces of soda water in the process, diluting their hydrochloric acid.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 00

  This goes back to the Ayurveda and the TCM where every bite is, has a conscious surrounding to it. There's like an energy to it. You're so present with food. You know, food, again, we're just like, we're taking down food and all over the place. The mind's all over the place. You know, food begins when you start thinking about it. That's when, you know, you can feel enzymes and saliva and all that stuff. There's, it's, it's a beautiful experience. And, and think about, we're taking the information from the food.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  So true.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  Food is information. Our body's learning from it.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Right? That's why.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Definitely sending a signal.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  That's why when you have like glyphosate, GMO food, the bodies can't learn anything except resist like hell. And that's where you get your celiac's and your body's resistance and histamine and all that, because it's defending itself, has mast cell activation, whatever. So the body's not recognizing it. And so I love this point from a gut health perspective is that we have to chew our food. We have to not dilute our stomach acids. And these are basic things that bring you to the present. And I think that's the ultimate way to break bread. We did it last night.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  You know, I don't know. If you saw how slow I was eating.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  I was the slowest eater because I was really present with the conversation. And I was just making sure that the quality of the food was becoming something that my body can receive.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, you got good quality food, I assure you.

• 36:46Speaker 00

  That was the best. No, that was world class, my friend.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  That was a great dinner. So let's go down into the gut microbiome and, and what, if anything, have you formulated for the gut microbiome, for gut dysbiosis? What is some advice that you would give to people that want to start addressing gut-related issues at a macro level? And, and what does a good, healthy gut lifestyle look like?

• 37:14Speaker 00

  Well, I think, you know, I, I think elimination diets are important, in my opinion. I think people have to see what their body responds to and what their body doesn't respond to. And you also have to get to a point where you're looking at the diversity of foods that you're introducing to your body and have it be at a place where your body agrees with it. There is a level of intuitiveness, you know? You can go and, and get, you know, fecal testing and see exactly, or stool testing, and see exactly what's going on in your microbiome, see if you have bacteria that's all over the place and the ratios are all over the place. Please do, go do that. Genova or whoever, I don't know. And, but for me, it really, it just, it starts with your ritual.

• 37:59Speaker 00

  Your ritual is gonna dictate how your body breaks down food, because if you're stressed out and you have cortisol in your body, you're gonna lack certain enzymes.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 00

  It's just one on one.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  So true.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  How can you eat food if you're running away from a lion?

• 38:15Speaker 01

  That's so true.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  Right? And so if you're caffeinated, if you're, you know, even if you're dehydrated, that's another thing. I think we're clinically dehydrated.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Most of us are dehydrated because we don't have enough minerals, not even just enough fluid. So I've been working out with my son lately, trying to keep up with him and his high rocks competitive athletes. And I've been starting to use this Perfect Dino pre-workout. I really like it. It's got BH4, it improves nitric oxide output, but it actually seems to stay after the workout and not crash. There's no stimulants, so no caffeine, no Ma Long, nothing that gives you that kind of amped feeling. You just feel like you're maybe better able to move during the workout, like you have better blood flow. So if you're in the market for a pre-workout, check out the Perfect Dino pre-workout. It's my favorite now. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  We don't have sodium chloride. We don't have magnesium. We don't have potassium. We don't have all of those things to actually bring the hydrogen into the cell. It's electrical. And so there's just, I think there's a really, you know, I think some people get too complicated with the microbiome. Where they get too much into the ratios.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  I totally agree with you.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, and the market doesn't want that. People want to know what to do. Now, I'm also of the person that says, you should discern a little bit. Like, listen to our conversation, but don't just take it at face value. Take what we say and investigate. Right? Because when you investigate, you are giving yourself an authority.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 00

  And when you're in your human agency, now you'll go make the decision and follow through with it. It's kind of like, you know, remember studying for an exam the day before? You'd ace the test and then three days later, it's completely out of your brain?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  Right, it's the same thing because I want to, I don't give a shit about that subject.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:08Speaker 00

  Who cares? Right?

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:10Speaker 00

  It's the same thing with today. People want an allopathic answer and that allopathic answer is not serving them, especially with the microbiome. Understand the fundamentals, understand gut health, understand what the surface of the mucosal layer. Understand, you know, that your Tums is probably the worst thing for your gut. Understand what pH represents, you know, the percentage of hydrogen, the pH levels of the gut need to be. Maybe you got to introduce more acidic things to your body. Maybe it's more fermented foods. Maybe you need to do a little bit of apple cider vinegar before each meal. Maybe your protein needs to be earlier in the day, right? When your stomach acids are stronger. You know, there are certain things that you just need to start doing. Maybe shut down all that coffee.

• 40:54Speaker 00

  You know, it's just, the coffee's blowing you out. Maybe it's burning you out a little bit, you know? Find a balance. I work a lot with aloe vera.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  I'm a huge fan for calming the gut.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Huge fan. You know, I have aloe grown all over Southern California. I was eating that stuff all the time. It's like, I'm made of it.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Like, you're made of the stuff you eat.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  You're, I mean, you are made of the earth. I remove all the organic material from your body, you'll turn into like a pile of sludge.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? You're made of earth minerals.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  You know, it's amazing.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  And so really, like, it's just, I, I think we talked about it yesterday. I was like, all of this kind of has a common sense. Right? There's like a root common sense to this. When it comes to our formulations, I wanted all these products to be really easy on the gut. And easily digestible. So you don't have to like break down hard matter and all that kind of stuff. And so the formulations were designed that way. That they're soft and gentle and the delivery systems are so easy. You know, we have our CMOS formula and I have a tributrin in there. We have a postbiotic in there, you know? I'm a big fan.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  What is a postbiotic?

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Postbiotic is.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  I know what it is, but we know, everybody's heard of probiotics, but.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Butyrate, you know, butyric acid, you know, which we now know is critical.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  One of the most important byproducts.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  One, you know, one round of antibiotics, you could wipe that entire chain out. And then your colonocytes don't have them. And now all of a sudden, there's a breakdown in digestion, communication. SIBO can come in, small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, all of those things. There needs to be a really, like, it's fragile there, as it should be, because it's hyper intelligent. So it's sensitive, you know?

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  You know, it's, I see people chasing something. They're chasing better gut health without understanding the microbiome. And I think from my standpoint, stopping what you've been doing, eliminating, going into a fast. All of these things are of the highest priority of strategy for me.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, I told you, I, you know, I fast two, three days every two weeks. I take Sundays off from food pretty much entirely. I allow my body.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Just every Sunday, just give yourself a 24 hour break.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  Hundred percent. That's like one of the first things you need to do. If you're dehydrated, you're going to have gut issues.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  You know, because, why? Because constipation in this world, in this country is high. And that is a toxic load to the system that affects the microbiome.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Also food combinations. Like, what are you mixing with your food with? If you're eating proteins with refined carbs, your body is confused on what it's trying to digest.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  You know, from a glucose perspective and an insulin perspective. Glucose, fructose, they digest quick. Fruits digest super quick. Proteins, fats, they take, you know, proteins can take hours.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:55Speaker 00

  So it's a different alchemy, right? And so, you know, that's back to the Ayurveda and TCM perspective. Food combining is very important in those traditions. And I, it works well for me.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:06Speaker 00

  You know, those are strategies that work very well for me.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  What are some big food combinations that you sort of just blanketly follow? Don't, not hyper specific, but you know, for somebody that isn't very conscious about whether or not they're having a pile of rice and a pile of fruit and a pile of steak, you know? What do those food combinations look like?

• 44:28Speaker 00

  Well, I'm, I'm known as a qualitarian.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  I'm pretty familiar with the diets. I haven't think of her that one.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. People always ask me, like, are you vegan? Are you pescatarian? Are you raw? Are you carnivore, whatever? I'm qualitarian.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Ah, quality.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  Quality. Or flexitarian.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Qualitarian too, man.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  You're a qualit, you're, when I, when you served dinner last night?

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 44:53Speaker 00

  Gary's qualitarian.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  Okay, I get it.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Very much so. I'm a psycho about that.

• 44:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 00

  I'm just, I'm just careful. Like, there's certain things that I'm not going to mix. You know, I really like, if I'm going to go with the proteins, you know, from red meat and stuff, that I'm going to mix that with greens. Right? So I can get some of those enzymes in there. There's like a, there's a genius to it, but it's simple. You know? I'm not going to mix fruits with my food. I'm very careful with that. You know, this whole thing, like four entrees and then a dessert. What are we doing? People are eating like hamburgers and steaks and all this stuff and all of a sudden putting ice cream behind it. Like, I can't, and wondering why they're fermenting.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 00

  And why they're bloating. That's kombucha.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Right, that's kombucha.

• 45:39Speaker 00

  I mean, that's really what's happening.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  And they're wondering why they're depressed. Like you just said, that they're not sleeping properly. If you eat that stuff after the sun's gone down, you're not going to sleep good that night.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  And then you don't sleep good that night and then you wake up and then you got all that sodium and your body's been trying to cleanse that all night. You're, we talked about it, your glymph system's not, can't, the glymphatic cannot release all that metabolic waste and all that turnover. Now you're wondering why your vision's going out. You have headaches, you know, your brain fog, all that kind of stuff.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 00

  It's really simple. Just stop doing stupid stuff.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like, kind of snap out of that.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Stop doing stupid stuff.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, because it's, it's, it's, you know, I'm not trying to be harsh.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  But it's like, it's nonsensical to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. That's, they call that insanity, right?

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  Just change it. Take a radical shift and everyone's doing it. I've seen people all of a sudden that look completely different. I haven't seen them in two years. They're on the program, they get it all of a sudden, now they get it. And they're, you know what it is at the end of the day? It's self-love.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  They've actually said.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Presence, yeah.

• 46:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I actually matter.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:55Speaker 00

  I'm worth it.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  It might be a little uneasy and uncomfortable at the gate because I'm used to the addictions of all this stuff. I'm used to this style of eating. I'm constantly feeding my system and it's taking me here and dopamine and whatever the hell is going on. But all of a sudden, like, oh no, I'm going to choose, I'm going to choose me now. I'm moving that stuff out.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know what's wild too is, is I've led tens of thousands of people on water fast. And, and one of the common things I hear is that sometimes they, eating is just a behavioral pattern. You know, they're like, man, I just got up from my desk and I walked to the refrigerator and I opened the refrigerator door and I realized that I wasn't even hungry.

• 47:37Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  I just hadn't taken that action in a while, so I got up to take that action. And, and when I frame hunger for them, that hunger during a fast is not constant. It comes in 20 minute waves about every three hours. So you don't need to be really strong for 15 hours or 14 hours. You need to be strong for 20 minutes every three hours.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  So get up, walk around, have some spring water, get outside, do some breath work. You know, change your scene, change your state, um, and it'll be gone.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  All right.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  Change your reality.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  Something like snap out of it.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  And it'll be gone.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  I love, I love that frame because you're right, it's a pattern.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  It's, it's an addiction. And we all have them.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  We all have some form. Purely behavioral.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  It's be, yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  So, so I want to get into some of what you've, um, formulated for the gut. What are, what are some of the formulations that you're proud of, that you poured yourself into? And that you would say for people with gut dysbiosis or have a framework of really wanting to address the gut? Is it a probiotic? Is it colostrum? Is it all of the above? And what do you, what do you?

• 48:49Speaker 00

  I think it's all of the above. You know, it's that symbiotic, it's that portfolio. You know, first of all, all the products are designed to be really easy on the gut. You know, so it's easily absorbed. It's not, it's not a war. You don't have to go to war with the food. Well, obviously, you know, our front runner is our liposomal glutathione PQQ CoQ10 with riboflavin in there to activate.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, the B vitamin, yeah.

• 49:13Speaker 00

  That's right. That formula, I mean, you know, master antioxidant manufactured by the liver, used all over the body.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Every single cell in your body has glutathione.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Every single living one.

• 49:24Speaker 00

  It's a tri peptide, it chelates, it pulls things out, it wants to stick to things and take things out. You know, and a lot of people that I know that have some type of dysbiosis or whatever, they get on a round of that for about 60, 90 days. And all of a sudden they're feeling a lot better. Their skin's looking a lot better, their vision's a little bit better, they can hear, they can smell better. That's what glutathione does. It takes the burden off the liver too, so it can do other things. The liver, as you know, is the master.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  Master alchemist of the body. It's not a filter.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  It's fascinating. It can actually take over the function of other organs.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  That's right. It's incredible what the liver can do.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  It is, that thing is a punching bag. I'm not suggesting that you treat it poorly because you shouldn't.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  I know.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Cause if you ever, if you want one organ on, on your team, you want the liver.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  And in TCM, the liver is the seat of anger and frustration. That's how the, the ancient Chinese medicine doctors felt the liver was. If the liver's burden, if it's fatty, if it's acidic, if it's necrotic or whatever's happening to it, then you're in a theme of anger, which is really interesting.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  That's super interesting.

• 50:32Speaker 00

  Cause you think about how what alcohol does to certain people and all that kind of stuff. Cause at some point the liver just will stop. And that, all that stuff, material and everything that, you know, the derivatives.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Citalodide.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  It goes up the portal vein and then goes out the lungs.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:48Speaker 00

  That's why you can breathe a flammable material.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  And then that circulates.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  And you can tell in people's breath too.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  Halitosis is not, if you're from gingivitis, it's coming from the portal vein.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:59Speaker 00

  You know, cause it's all those gases and toxins can't, there's nowhere for it to go. They put it in the bloodstream to come out of the lungs. The lungs is the main detox, one of the main detox areas, right? That's why breath work is so powerful. Cause you're detoxifying the body.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 00

  So, so gut and this entire chain of that entire system is all relegated to this, this harmony. And so back to the formula, you know, I think the glutathione formula is huge. Our colostrum, that I went, that took years to do, man.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, Shahab was talking to me about that and he explained about how you really wanted to preserve the calf's capacity to suckle first, and you didn't want to interrupt that at any price. And then immediately thereafter is when, when you harvest it.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  That's exact, I, I've known about colostrum for 20 years. Since I was 20, I've been on colostrum.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Colostrum from this, this, I'll show it to you in bags out here.

• 51:59Speaker 00

  I think I know the guy.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Golden, oh really?

• 52:01Speaker 00

  I probably know.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  And, and, uh, right outside of Boulder.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. He's a little. Cryogenically frozen.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Cryogenically frozen.

• 52:08Speaker 00

  He's a wildcat.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  And I take the, um.

• 52:10Speaker 00

  You take the, uh, the deer antler.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  The deer antler.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  We know the same guy.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  Nobody knows that.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  We know the same guy. We, I'm telling you, we have all, you and I.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Liar.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  I know. I know him very well.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  I'm not gonna say his name on this.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  No, you can't say his name, but.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  And he either, he either gets gold, cash or crypto.

• 52:27Speaker 00

  That's right. That's right. I've known, I've known.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  He's got things right.

• 52:30Speaker 00

  For 15 years.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 52:32Speaker 00

  His character.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  He's a character.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  He looked a lot younger.

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Looks great.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  He looks fantastic, he's strong.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. It doesn't work out.

• 52:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, I haven't seen him in, in a long time, but I know exactly who that is. And, uh.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Wow, nobody does.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  He got me on colostrum.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  And so I'm like, oh, that, that makes total sense.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Colostrum is very expensive, by the way.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  Very expensive.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's, I mean, that's overly priced.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  Overly, like it's ridiculous. But we got the closest thing because we, I found a third generation family that's basically works with an entire corridor from Southern Wisconsin to Michigan to Pennsylvania. A lot of the farms are private co-op, these are Amish farms too. Grass fed cows, um, they let the, um, the calf get most of the, you know, most of the colostrum till they had their fill. And then they come in and get that last 15, 20%.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:24Speaker 00

  And so, and they cryogenically freeze it on the spot.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  They do.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  So it's frozen, so has all the bioactives, the lactoferin, the immunoglobulins. And we do a full spectrum in our colostrum. So we're not just taking out that, well, nothing's been changed. This is the entourage effect, exactly like what we talked about, how we don't use one single compound. We don't touch the colostrum, it's raw. It's unadulterated and it's not been, you know, nothing has been deviated from the plan.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  And then we put that in with our material, with our phospholipids, we put that in and our emulsion. And I added Icelandic sea salt from the top part of Iceland and an organic vanilla extract. And now you have one of the best desserts of all time.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  And there you go. And colostrum, it has an intelligence, has an intelligence. It helps with iron absorption, it helps with, you know, bunching out immune system activities.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Positive signaling to the immune system. Sealing that single cell layer of the gut, tightening the, the, the junctions, what's called the tight junctions. And they, in the luminal wall of the gut, which I can't even tell you. The, the source of pathology and disease, it comes from just leaky gut and, um, and.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  Cytokine storm.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Cytokine storm, immune activation, autoimmune in different regions of the body. Toxic leakage into the body, immune activation, inflammation, gut dysbiosis, you know, all, all, all of these things. What it, what is, for you, cause there, there's something specific I really want to get to, so I want to leave time for that. But, um, uh, what, what is it? What is a day of supplementation and, and, and food look like for you? Like, what's a typical day in your life?

• 55:04Speaker 00

  What's the protocol?

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  Everybody asked me that, I'm sure they asked you too that. I'm sure they asked you too.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  They asked me too.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  I, I, I have a slide of my daily routine, just so, cause I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to hide it. I'm like, this is what I do every day. You know, when I know how I get a hundred percent sleep score? This is what I do.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  I don't want to get in the sauna at night? Okay, well, you just asked me what I do.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  Who doesn't want to get in the sauna at night?

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Lots of people.

• 55:27Speaker 00

  I want to get in the sauna at night.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Before bed. I do a sauna and a cool plunge and that, not cold.

• 55:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, that, that was a smart hack. I, I like that idea. I'm, I'm gonna take that on. I just gotta jump down into the lake.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:41Speaker 00

  My protocol's pretty simple. I try not to get all over the place. And sometimes it depends on season and just how I feel and where I'm at.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:48Speaker 00

  Because sometimes I'm in an anabolic state. Like I'm, I'm here to, you know, get some muscle on and some movement. Sometimes I'm catabolic or I'm fasting, you know, I'm, you can't always be on.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  And that's the seasonality of things. That's the cyclical nature. And I think that's the healthiest way of living, in my opinion. But from a universal perspective, I wake up every rise from the sun, no alarm. So I'm up around 5:30 every rise. And, um, from that point on, it's, you know, 24 ounces of spring water with a teaspoon of Icelandic sea salt. And, uh, a little bit of molecular hydrogen. That's kind of my rise.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Huge fan, huge fan.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Then I go into a Shilajit tea. I think we sell the most Shilajit on earth.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Do you really?

• 56:39Speaker 00

  I think so.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 56:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, and we, you know, pure.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  And what is it about Shilajit, this fulvic mineral complex that's, uh, which I would agree with you. I think Shilajit, sea moss or good, um, mineral salt, like a really, really good, um, sea-based, preferably mineral salt, just so that we are getting those trace minerals. There's 91 trace minerals that nobody talks about.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  It's crazy, all that, all that energy and information.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  And electricity and voltage. I just say it as voltage. It's mitochondrial, like lighting it up.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Which is allowing my body to convert other nutrients into usable energy.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Is the Shilajit product still this scoopable?

• 57:20Speaker 00

  We have two. We have one that's a resin, which is a black tar, just, you know, black, right? Black's blood building, right?

• 57:27Speaker 01

  Shilajit.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  That's Shilajit. And then we, you know, we made a delicious one, you know, cause a lot of people just can't take on and eat that.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  Which I can, but some people can't. So we added it with, uh, Peruvian cacao. Have you not tried it?

• 57:39Speaker 01

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• 58:22Speaker 01

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• 58:28Speaker 00

  We, we, we mix it with cacao, Icelandic sea salt, uh, Brazilian organic honey and organic hazelnut butter.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 58:35Speaker 00

  So basically turn Shilajit into like this perfect Nutella, but clean and perfect.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  Dude, I can't wait to try this.

• 58:43Speaker 00

  I'm gonna give it to you right after this, or we might have to pause, it's so good.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Can somebody grab it and we'll try it right here on the podcast?

• 58:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  All right, where is it?

• 58:50Speaker 00

  I'll grab it, I'll grab it from my backpack and I'll have you take it right on.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Okay. Give him his backpack and he can grab it out.

• 58:56Speaker 00

  It actually might be in that little white bag right there.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Cause dude, you painted such a picture, I gotta.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, that's it.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Oh, it just so happened to happen?

• 59:04Speaker 00

  No, that's not it.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  That's Gary's.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  Nice bag.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you like that? I got it from one of my favorite brands.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Let's go. All right, here we go.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  By the way, this was totally not planned, I swear to God. But the way he described this, I gotta try this.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  There it is. So in Hawaii.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  I love your colors, too. It's like, it's never just blue or orange.

• 59:28Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  And it's like, really? All right, she legit.

• 59:31Speaker 00

  That's medicinal, dude. All right?

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Is it really?

• 59:34Speaker 00

  It is. There's a nice dose of high altitude she'll get in there with some of the best material compounds in the world, and that is pure life force energy.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  How good is that?

• 59:45Speaker 01

  That is so good. It's like.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  Somebody asked me, do we have cacao in our formulas? I think it was Joanne or someone. There it is right there. That's organic cacao.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Dude, you could have this at the end of a meal as a dessert.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Like legit.

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  And that helps with digestion. That actually helps the body with digestion, but the complexity in there as well. How good is that?

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Real good.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  Next level?

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Next level. No, really, it's good, man. I swear to God, we don't plan this, but this is, I'm glad we did.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  So now you're gonna have it with the colostrum?

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Okay. Bring it on. Wow, that is really good.

• 1:00:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Well, I'm gonna have to augment my mineral stack.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  That needs to be your pre-workout.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Yep, really?

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  That's a great pre-workout.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  She legit?

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  She legit, yeah. Especially with the other compounds in there, just sustainable energy, you know?

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  I've been getting after it lately, so I'm gonna try it.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  I'll take any edge I can get when my 25 and 22 year old sons kick my ass every day.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, dude, that's even better. That's got honey in it.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  There's no honey in it.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  There's honey in there.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm calling bullshit on the label.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  There's no honey.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  It tastes so good.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  It's mother's milk. And it got out of its way. All I added was organic vanilla extract.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:01:10Speaker 00

  With Icelandic sea salts.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  It's so good, I wanna cry.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  This is delicious. This may be my favorite.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  This got, this got Dorana emotional.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  Because Dorana, you know, she's, she's tough to make happy when it comes to flavor. She loves the colostrum, which makes me so happy because.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  She's my wife's spirit animal. My wife loves Dorana.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  I know how good that is for her.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Dude, that was, that was like a dessert break, bro.

• 1:01:42Speaker 00

  Is that the best ever?

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  That was so good. The she legit is excellent. The colostrum is next level.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  That is next level.

• 1:01:51Speaker 00

  Now, that's another thing about symbotica is like, in my head, I was like, how can we give, deliver these payloads, but not make it so, you know, harsh and also have it rememberable? So it's experience.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  So there's an organoleptic experience and it's an efficacious process as well. So not only are you getting this incredible payload of health, but you're, you're, there's nuances of flavor and experience.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  And it's not some synthetic flavor or something harsh or whatever. It's not bubble gum. It's literally just the organic terpenes, which is the expression of a fruit or extracts.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  That's what I taste.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  Vanilla cacao.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  It literally tasted like a package of chocolate honey.

• 1:02:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  It was so good.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  That's because that's cacao.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Wow. Yeah, that was legit. Now I lost my whole train of thought, but, but what I'm most excited about, and we'll cut this out if I'm bringing it up too early, but I gotta go here.

• 1:02:48Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Since I have been on this journey, very, very authentically and publicly with my wife as she went through menopause, and we, we had it fixed and worked out, meaning hormone wise, testing wise, nutrition wise. But she is so excited about the new women's health formulations that you've got coming out, October?

• 1:03:11Speaker 00

  Yes, coming out in October.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  And because there's a giant hole in our industry right now, and we, we treat men and women identically with supplementation, with workouts, with fasting, with cold plunging, with weight training, with just about everything. And, and they are very much different beings than us, and they have a rhythm, and they have a cycle. And what's fascinating is some of their cycles tied to the lunar cycle, which is, so they're, they're more in sync with their circadian cycle than, than we are, right? We don't, we don't switch gears.

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  We're 24 hours, 28 days.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  And it can be three different people at three different times of the month, and I legitimately mean that. Temperature wise, mood wise, ability to manage stress wise, ability to add stress wise, even things like taxing the body with cold plunging, all, all of these things. But I don't think that anyone has created supplementation for women specifically designed around struggle with pre and menopause and menopause.

• 1:04:22Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  And she is fired up for this supplement to come out. I think she's gonna be her biggest influencer. Can you talk a little bit about the structure and the formulation, what led to it, what's in it, what makes it unique?

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  You know, it's quite the endeavor, you know, because it means something. It's a very purpose desired formula. Like, we really wanted to create an outcome here. They didn't want to just kinschen sink it. We wanted to have real clinical results and understand that we're putting something together that's gonna make a difference. And we're not trying to mask symptoms. We're just really trying to get to the root. Where's the miscommunication happening during this holy time for a woman? This is a rite of passage. And it's, you know, it's, to me, I never liked how the mainstream media and the world and the film world looked at that cycle. I thought that it was demeaning, you know, and I, I always felt that at an early age. I was like, why are they doing this? You know, whether it's

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  the PMS thing or the menopause thing and stay out of their way or whatever, forget that.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Speaker 00

  This is, this is a part of the evolution of life. I think what triggered this is, you know, Chob's wife Dorana was going through a process. My sister, my older sister is going through a process. And, you know, we have a lot of epic women in our ecosystem, you know, like, they run the show, actually, you know? Me and Shahab and the other guys, Adam and Jared and Justin or Cam or entire team, we're, we're just supporting the women, you know? That's, that's the truth. We're just like protectors, you know? They're the ones that are driving the ship. So this is like giving back to that community and doing it the right way. And

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  so we, you know, we put this formula together, me and my sidekick, Dr. Shilpa Rao, and we looked through all the evidence material and we went back to Ayurveda, you know? We found a.

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  The oldest form of medicine known to man.

• 1:06:25Speaker 00

  The wisdom of science of human nature, the oldest, the most ancient, the Sanskrit, the Vedas, you know, that all the charting of our world comes from this origin story. And, and so Pheno-Greek is a very powerful compound that has associations with all kinds of symptoms and relieving certain stress markers in the body and allowing the nervous system to go back to, you know, homeostasis, which is what we want during that process.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  How that sympathetic state?

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

  They're gonna pull back.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Meaning the fight or flight state.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  Right, which is gonna just create more resistance and more issues. We paired that with some other compounds like L-theanine and a few other healthy fats and things of that nature, and we put it into our liposomal matrix. And it is, I mean, it's world class. You know, it's.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  This can't get out fast enough. You got samples of that?

• 1:07:18Speaker 00

  Perhaps.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Off camera, I'm coming after you for those.

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  And you.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Two women in my life that I wanna get this to.

• 1:07:24Speaker 00

  And then you merge that with our magnesium complex, right? Now you have something that's so sophisticated, because we have the most, one of the most complex magnesium formulas on the market, and we are one of the only companies. Well, we have magnesium glycerol phosphate, which is a trademark of Gevo Mag. I put that in there. This crosses every barrier in the body. We have maglycinate in there. We have magtorate in there. We have, you know, in our delivery system. So you're getting cardiothrombs.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Three forms.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a tri-complex. And it's, you know, we, we just did a study on this. Wait till you see the results on the study.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  You know, you know what I find? I, I use magnesium complexes in, in, in groups when I have clients that have bowel issues and also ruminating thoughts at night, and especially the type where you don't just ruminate when you go to bed, but you get up at night and you go back to sleep or try to go back to sleep. But as soon as you get back in bed, you're, you're, you know, the, the lights come on upstairs and you just ruminate and can't get back to sleep. And it's usually the people that are, they'll have that pattern and they also won't have, you know, regular bowel patterns.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  And that is, that is a fix that almost universally works across the board, fixing that magnesium deficiency, but using more than just the three and eight or the citrate to just, a single form, so that you cover all of the bases with magnesium, quiet the mind, and you actually start the bowels moving again.

• 1:09:00Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  If you hit sleep and bowel movement. I mean, those are two just foundational.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  Umbrella stuff to do.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 00

  That just move the entire lever up.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  So you would pair this.

• 1:09:12Speaker 00

  I would pair that with menopause formula. I think that combination right there.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  And how do you take it? Is it like the rip it, sip it?

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Backs again. Okay.

• 1:09:20Speaker 00

  That's it. We'll rip it and sip it nonstop.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  And do women take this in the morning?

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  Uh, I think we're gonna do that in the evening.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09:26Speaker 00

  I think this is the evening.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  That and the magnesium.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  That's right. Just calm that nervous system. The phenogreek and healthy sodium in there. Get the tri-complex of magnesium and the salts and the healthy fats. This is creating that wave of where the cortisol comes down and the body's central nervous system finds balance. So it can actually go into that next stage, which is sleep. Yeah. And that right there causes, you know, helps the body repair.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Speaker 00

  You know, and it's, these things are not drugs.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Oh, no, no, no. They're nutrients.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  They're signaling molecules.

• 1:09:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're nutrients that ultimately lead you towards a direction.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, I often talk about sleep as, is not just being tired. It's, it's the body feeling safe to shut off.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  The body feeling safe to shut down.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  And so we, we don't sleep when there's a threat, you know, like, uh, our servicemen don't really sleep in foxholes. Right? Uh, you know, if there's a threat, it's, it's that constant state of awareness, scanning the environment. What's gonna happen? There's a, whether the threat is perceived or real, doesn't matter. The body perceives it the same way. And it's that heightened state of alertness, ruminating thoughts. They all run in the same pack.

• 1:10:38Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Um, and, and being able to help people throttle back naturally without something that is tranquilizing them. Right? Like tranquilityx don't help you sleep. They just keep you from being conscious.

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  That's exactly right.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  And it's a.

• 1:10:53Speaker 00

  There's no recovery model that's occurring from tranquilityx.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  You know, repair is not really synthesizing. There's no regeneration and the detoxification processes are, you know, meager at best.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  Which is what sleep's all about.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, so in a perfect world, um, where does all this go for, uh, for chervine? Where, where's your?

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  We're here.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Purpose?

• 1:11:19Speaker 00

  We're here, Gary.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  This, this, this kind of combination, Ayurveda, traditional Chinese medicine, biodynamic farming, supplemental formulation. You know, is, is it to build the biggest, most impactful supplement company in the world? Is it to ride things out on your regenerative farm? Feel like you should be writing a book on philosophy? Right?

• 1:11:41Speaker 00

  That's the next step.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Are you working? I'd see, I knew it. I get 15% of that just for coming up with the idea on the podcast. Cause now there's documented evidence.

• 1:11:47Speaker 00

  You're already in.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  Then I came up with it.

• 1:11:49Speaker 00

  We're, we're in this together.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  There's, there's, there's no walls here. I'm an open book, you know? Shahab's an open book.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Shahab's great.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  He's, he loves you and he's my best friend.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  We've known each other since we were 15.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:12:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  We go way back.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Usually it's, it's, it's hard for, for friends to build something as big as you guys have and not, you know, be at odds. You've really gotta be oriented in the same direction.

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  Well, we're, we have a health, it's a healthy friction.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 00

  You know, which is good because he's the best at what he does. And I believe I'm, I'm okay at what I do.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:12:28Speaker 00

  You know, and, and that balance of his leadership, entrepreneurship goes very well with my heady science and my feet in the earth and all that stuff, because that's how I live. And I'm not trying to be anything that I'm not.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:12:43Speaker 00

  You know, I'll suit up once in a while.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  But that's not, that's just not who I am. That's not what gives me kicks.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:50Speaker 00

  I want, I wanna sit on the beach and talk with my best friends all night long about life.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:55Speaker 00

  I wanna, I want philosophy, you know, I, I, I want meaningful conversations. I wanna build the strongest relationships. I don't need to be friends with everyone. I just want my inner circle. And I wanna crack codes. And that's why you asked me what's next. I think it's going into that level of attainment. I really, really wanna work on things that are of the highest passion. Because I have a taste of it now with Simbatica, because this really is a passion project. It's, it's hard work. It's blood, sweat and tears. It's sacrifice. I mean, there, there is sleepless nights, living in a lab, going on tours, constant, constant attention. You know, being connected to this phone device, this.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  This damn thing, you know what I mean? This Achilles heel that is necessary for this cog, you know, for this machine. But at the same time, um, you know, the next chapter is rounding out the portfolio, quadrupling down on our science. We're already like, we have seven more clinicals and getting prepared for right now. Really bolstering who we are, what we are.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  Um, you know, working with you. I'm so, I'm so excited about our partnership.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  I am too.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  Because this is real.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  I really, oh, it's a very real partnership. Yeah.

• 1:14:11Speaker 00

  I, I think.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  And it was a long, long time in the making.

• 1:14:14Speaker 00

  Long time in the making. Um, and I, I think with our minds and our hearts united and our teams united,

• 1:14:24Speaker 00

  there's, we don't even know what we're capable of at this point.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 00

  It's not, it's not some number or some nonsense. It's really our effect on humanity.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  And just being that leader, you know, and bringing everyone with us. Because it's this divide and conquer stuff.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  That's not working.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:14:44Speaker 00

  That's not working. This is, that's scarcity or lack mentality.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Speaker 00

  You know, I.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  It's ego.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  It's ego. And it's false ego, right? Healthy ego, we wanna do good. We wanna show up. We wanna provide.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Speaker 00

  We wanna crack codes. We don't wanna take the status quo and say, that's, that's the best we can do. No, no, no, no, no. We're gonna go all the way here and figure it out. And then we'll figure out how, how to monetize that later.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  You know, and, and that's another testament to Shahab is he got it, you know, from the beginning with me. It was like, it was like, if we, we're, we're not gonna build stuff just so we can make money.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  You know what I'm saying? Like, there were so many things that we worked on that we just never released because it was upside down. You know?

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  And, and that is a testament to this level of quality and care and commitment to excellence.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  And so Gary, we have limitless potential.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:43Speaker 00

  And, uh, I'm excited to learn from you.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:15:46Speaker 00

  I, I, I respect, um, your acumen and your dedication to the craft. And I see the embodiment. And it was the embodiment, more than anything else, that has me as a follower.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:15:59Speaker 00

  And.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  A student of life around you. And I'm so excited on what we can create together.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  I am too, brother.

• 1:16:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  I'm so appreciative that you came on the Ultimate Human Podcast. You know, you, you may or may not know that I wind down all my podcasts by asking all my guests the same question. And I can't wait to ask you this question. Uh, there's no right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:16:23Speaker 00

  The ultimate human to me means to be living in your Dharma. Your chosen path that is part of your intuitive path. That is the ultimate. It doesn't matter what it is, but it's embodying purpose and having nothing get in between that path.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  That to me is the ultimate, because everything else comes down under that. Your health, your relationships, that's the core principle. Cause if you're not in your Dharma, you're not in your purpose, means nothing.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 00

  Cause you're, you're out of alignment.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I totally agree with that. Wow. Guys, that was amazing. For my audience that, uh, doesn't know where to find you, how do they find you? Besides your place in Hawaii?

• 1:17:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  They'll actually find you.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  Gary?

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  I'll dox you, you know, I'll let your address out.

• 1:17:14Speaker 00

  Um, you know, you'll find me in, uh, in your, uh, hyperbaric chamber.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  That's, that's where you're gonna.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  We're there today for sure.

• 1:17:22Speaker 00

  That's where you're gonna find me. And Gary's hyperbaric, no. I, you know, I've tried not to be on like 10,000 platform. Let's just, I can't do it. But I am on Instagram.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:17:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Chervine333.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:17:33Speaker 00

  And, uh, it's time we become friends on Instagram.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  And, uh.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  If I'm not following you, I'll be following you now. I was just looking at you.

• 1:17:40Speaker 00

  And, uh, it's, uh, again, the momentum is beginning. I can feel it.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm, me too.

• 1:17:47Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  Thoroughly hope that you enjoyed, uh, that podcast. I'll put the links to what we discussed in the, in the show notes. And until next time, that's just science.