290. Mike Feldstein: The 5 Hidden Air Pollutants in Your Home and How To Fix It!

You'd think the dirtiest air you breathe all day is outside, but Mike Feldstein showed me it's the opposite. The average home is usually 5 to 10 times dirtier than the air outside, and since the 1970s we've built homes airtight for energy efficiency, so every new couch, rug, and coat of paint off-gasses right where you live. In a study of 150 people, just cleaning the bedroom air got them 25 more minutes of sleep a night and 18% more deep sleep. If you've been waking up tired, foggy, or congested and can't figure out why, don't start with your bloodwork. Start with the tank you're living in. CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARY’S VIP!: ⁠https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg⁠ Connect with Mike Feldstein Website: https://bit.ly/4vVRDYs Website: https://bit.ly/4gTFUWi Instagram: https://bit.ly/4yIZhrJ LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4yzh18C Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: "ULTIMATE20 " FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp CYMBIOTIKA: "BRECKACYM30" FOR 30% OFF: https://bit.ly/4tjyluP GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TAB: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN & GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: ⁠https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8⁠ Podcasts: ⁠https://bit.ly/3RQftU0⁠ Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: ⁠https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs⁠ TikTok: ⁠https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo⁠X: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf⁠ Facebook: ⁠https://bit.ly/464VA1H⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2⁠ Website: ⁠https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU⁠ Merch: ⁠https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1⁠ Newsletter: ⁠https://bit.ly/47ejrws⁠ Ask Gary: ⁠https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG⁠ Timestamps 00:00 - ​Intro of Show 00:58 - From disaster remediation to air quality 04:25 - Why cleaned homes get contaminated again 06:13 - The problem with store-bought air purifiers 09:41 - California wildfires and vaporized toxins 11:10 - Activated carbon, VOCs, and filter lifespan 14:38 - Homes built like Tupperware containers 16:17 - CO2 spikes from dinner parties 17:33 - ERVs, HRVs, and letting your home breathe 19:57 - Mold, mycotoxins, and the Miami problem 20:51 - The mold testing gold rush and false results 24:53 - You can't heal in the place that made you sick 27:44 - Air quality, cognition, and SAT scores 29:41 - Kids' sore throats and hidden mold 31:19 - Where to place a purifier in your home 33:41 - Range hoods that vent nowhere 36:36 - Bathroom fans, carpets, and deep-clean vacuums 39:35 - Indoor air is 10x dirtier than outdoor air 41:00 - Shoes, glyphosate, and filtered water 42:35 - Fragrances and the Uber air freshener 45:06 - Processed food, GLP-1, and nutrient density 48:18 - What PM 2.5 does inside your body 51:00 - Rebranding sleep as healing time 52:30 - Babies, cribs, and diaper pails 54:32 - Nursery tips for expecting parents 57:00 - The 150-person sleep study results 1:00:50 - Why HEPA ratings are misleading 1:03:09 - Air, water, and lighting as the priorities 1:04:47 - The Austin school clean-air experiment Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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  We've optimized for our heating and cooling bill at a huge expense to our health.

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  The way that we build homes now, they're very efficient for heating and cooling and UVA, UVB radiation coming through the windows, but I imagine that that impacts air quality.

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  But indoor air is a really big problem because of how tight homes are built. Let your home breathe. Your home needs to breathe just like you do.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Air, water, and lighting are things I think people don't realize the impact on our physiology.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  You know, you can't heal in the place that made you sick.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  When a fish gets sick, we clean the tank. When humans get sick, we never think about the tank that they're in. Your home can really be a place for you to detox and heal.

• 0:34Speaker 00

  It can go from the place that makes you sick to your healing sanctuary.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Let's give them some tips for things that they could do if they don't have the wherewithal to invest in a filter to like improve their air quality.

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  The thing is, the greatest air filter of all time is called.

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  Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today is going to be one of those incredible podcasts because this is an area of real interest of mine. And I saw this guest on Skinny Confidential. I don't know if it was first appearance or a second appearance. And it just blew my mind because I really love the bio hacks that you implement in your life and then you can just ignore. They don't add one single minute to your day. So today is all about air quality, the importance of air quality, how to get better air quality,

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  tips and tricks on how to do it for nothing, and tips and tricks on how to do it if you have some money to invest, disposable income to invest in your, in your air quality. So welcome to the podcast, Michael.

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  Thanks for having me.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you, thank you. I'm, I'm super excited to have you. You know, I was watching the, you on, on Skinny Confidential and, you know, I, I found your background as fascinating as what you're, you're doing now. Cause you used to be in like disaster remediation, right? So, so talk a little bit about the kind of that transition from disaster mediation to how you got into the air quality business.

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  Yeah. So it started, I was doing flood, fire, hurricane cleanup. So I was kind of like a, and huge, huge, huge toxic mold.

• 2:19Speaker 01

  Which lately is, but must have been very good business. First of all, it's good business in Florida.

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  It was good business, but I call it sad money.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  It was sad money because, you know, let's just say California, people just look at the homes that were burnt down and they don't realize all the homes that weren't burnt down are actually in a worse position. Cause insurance often does nothing for them. They tell them to go back home and their homes are deeply, deeply contaminated. So my specialty, we were doing floods. We were doing big hotels and apartments and homes from huge mold events, like built entire buildings and neighborhoods.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  But the wildfire smoke was kind of my, an area of expertise because I was living in Canada at the time. The biggest fire in Canadian history was in 2016, the Fort McMurray wildfire.

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  Okay.

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  Which was also where there's oil sands. So the air was already horrible there. And so, yeah, in Fort McMurray, that was the, the air aha moment for me. That was like, this is a really big problem. So when you would go to clean up a home after wildfire smoke, you know, you clean the surfaces and you clean the air. And a lot of people are, are cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, scrubbing surfaces all the time, kind of like your fishbowl analogy, but instead of the, the drug, the fish, they're, it's like you have a swimming pool. You don't scrub the sides of the pool. You filter the water.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Right.

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  So the, the air is the water for hu- well, water is to fish, air is to people.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Right.

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  And so we'd go into homes, oft- almost always they would be evacuated from the home. So Fort McMurray was this big moment where I realized, whoa, what, what are we doing here, guys? We'd go into a home, first thing you do is you set up the air scrubbers. Then you, you start to rip out carpets, insulation, furniture, anything that's porous, you're getting rid of hard sealed surfaces, depending on the value, we would clean them, restore them. We're removing insulation, we're painting entire homes, we're encapsulating everything, like top to bottom remodels. And there was one family in particular that was, there was a lot of families like this, but we would, we'd fully remediate their home. Then we would test the air quality and then we'd give them the thumbs up. You're safe to call the insurance company.

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  Air's clean.

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  Air's clean, home's good, you're ready to move back home. Well, what was starting to happen is we got, we'd get a call, hey, our baby's in the hospital. It's been a week, baby's in the hospital. We go back to the house, test the air, it's contaminated again, heavily. So what we now know is after big regional wildfires, the air quality can be contaminated for six to 12 months after the fire, sometimes more. It's in the soil, it's in the water. And then when your neighbors are doing their demolition and their construction, they're constantly kicking that back up.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  So they're contaminating the home and I'm like, I called the insurance company. I'm like, hey guys, we have a problem. Tanya and her family, they got this baby, baby's in the hospital. They need to move back out to a hotel. They need to get out of town. And we need to wait till the ambient air is clean. And insurance basically said, no way, Jose.

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  Yeah, yeah. We already paid the check.

• 5:14Speaker 00

  Check's on the way. They signed the liability waiver, like not happening.

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  Yeah.

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  And I'm like, whoa, we have a problem here because we have a responsibility to this family to keep this home clean and safe. And we were getting more and more calls like this. They were coming home, they were getting rashes, they were getting skin stuff, you know, babies on nebulizers, like their, their health was not doing good. So I'm like, what are we going to do about this? We came back and we put four air scrubbers in the home and then we waited three hours, we retested the air and the air was fine. So I'm like, okay, we can't, insurance is not going to let them come back, but let's at least put the scrubbers in the home and wait a couple of months until they, so they can live, noise is reasonable. You know, the city is still very contaminated. Let's scrub the air until the ambient air outside is good and we can pull the scrubbers out. This kept happening. Well, now we had no equipment to do more jobs.

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  So I'm like, let's, what if we go to Best Buy, Walmart, I just buy six or seven air purifiers.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Put them in the home and let them keep them. Cause we need the scrubbers for work.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  We put the air purifiers in, we're monitoring the air. Four hours later, the air is horrible again.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  And this was my big moment. I knew nothing at the time. This is 2016. I knew nothing about residential air purifiers. I only knew about scrubbers. Scrubber basically is a big industrial air purifier designed for mold, smoke, asbestos, lead, crime scene cleanup, heavy duty, but they're loud and they're ugly. So great for restoration, but not appropriate for a residential application.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:39Speaker 00

  Now you have noise pollution and that's not going to work. So I'm like, oh wow, this is a really big problem. These air purifiers on the shelves are making big claims. So I was like, wait, when this restoration, when this fire is done, I'm like, we need to create an air scrubber that is actually quiet and is beautiful. Because I remember I was at another lady's home, Angela, we left the scrubbers there, her baby was having challenges too. I went back to test the air after a week and she unplugged two of them. I'm like, Angela.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  She was like, they're too ugly.

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  They're too loud, they're too ugly. I have friends over. I can't leave these in my house.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  So I was like, this is a big problem. People are having to make a choice between ineffective or really effective and loud and ugly. So after about 10 years doing air testing, air consulting, mold cleanup, fires, flood, I'm like, this is sad money. Because we're cleaning up homes and then the next time there's a fire, they're being recontaminated. And I'll mention that when I got home, I started using all my fancy gadgets, same ones I used here, by the way. Gary has great air.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  I had great air. You, I was so happy when he tested my air. He's like, you have really good air here.

• 7:41Speaker 00

  Top five air and no sense.

• 7:45Speaker 00

  And I've tested thousands and thousands of homes.

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  Thank you.

• 7:47Speaker 00

  And so, yeah, it really was, it was a really natural progression, but originally I thought we were just going to create a machine specifically for wildfires. Cause I'm like, when California's on fire, it's like when there's a power outage, the generators are sold out in five minutes. So I'm like, what if we just focused on fires? So originally I was like, we need something really solid for wildfires. Then COVID happened first. I was living in Ontario, Canada, and they mandated every dentist in Ontario needed an air purifier in every room to go back to business. And based on the airflow would determine the time between patients. It's a British term called fallow time, which is the minutes between patients for a dentist to see the next patient.

• 8:26Speaker 00

  So if they had a little air purifier, they were 45 minutes between patients. If they had a Jasper, they were eight minutes between patients. Because we had the airflow that they were required.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Okay. So it's, it's the volume of air that this thing would move, right?

• 8:39Speaker 00

  So you take the ceiling, people think air filtration's about square footage. It's not. It's about cubic volume. Cause if you have eight foot ceilings versus 16 foot ceilings, the volume is dramatically different. So restoration was where I was starting, but I felt helpless and I felt like we could only restore 10, 20 homes in a season.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 00

  This is a way bigger problem. I started testing friends and family's homes and I'm realizing everyone's VOCs are high, everyone's mold spores are high.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Except for mine.

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  Except for yours.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:05Speaker 00

  Everyone being a, a rule, but there are exceptions to the rule, but generally people's indoor air is bad, people's water is bad. We've realized that you can't just drink tap water. You gotta do something about it. So I just, if you told me 15 years ago, I was going to be in the airspace, I would have been shocked. But yeah, it was, it was the heavy duty restoration, seeing the most critical stuff that made me realize this big problem. And I learned, I learned a lot doing it. Kind of relates to your stuff, how you were in insurance.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  And you realize what's going on and you're like, wait, maybe I can move to the optimal and the abundant and the optimistic side and try to help people be their healthiest self.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Instead of just predicting death. But you know, I, I was, the wildfires, the recent wildfires in California, I took a great interest in because I was following like some of those air quality indexes, which is the outdoor air.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  But also reading some of the, the, the studies that were coming out of these indoor air quality tests. And I think what a lot of people didn't realize is when, when a home burns, you know, everything in that home is burning. So I mean, it's plastic, it's fabrics, it's carpets, paint. And even if you don't have, let's say lead based paints or asbestos, it's going up, you know, if you, if you want to take a compound, any compound and turn it into a bioweapon, you vaporize it. You know, I mean, that's what we do. I mean arsenic, you know, sitting on the table is harmless. You vaporize it and it's a deadly, deadly poison. And so these, it's, you know, it's the same with like municipal water. When you, when you're in a steam room, you take a, you know, you take the municipal water in, it's got fluoride and it's got chlorine.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  But then you have fluoride gas and chlorine gas. And so it was some of the most toxic air in the world. I mean, there, I think there are a lot of poor air quality cities, like, you know, the, the Middle East is known for poor air quality, not because of pollution, but because of the particular matter from like sandstorms and whatnot. So do, do these filters address those, those VOCs and those polyfluoralkyls and all of those other?

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Contaminants that are in the air that are that are not particulate.

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  They do. That's what the that's what the activated carbons for. And it's really a dance. A lot of people think more carbons better and they're competing on more carbon. But you need to find the sweet spot. We found about one pound to be the sweet spot. Because if you go higher on the filter efficiency and the carbon, what happens is the airflow drops. So then it's like, would you rather have ninety five, ninety nine percent of a dollar or ninety five percent of five dollars? So you really want to balance that airflow. So the the HEPA, the media, that's grabbing your particulates, your mold, your dust.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  That's micron size.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  Yep, yeah, particulate. Okay. And then the activated carbon absorbs the gases and the odors as they're coming through.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Now, does that have a life cycle too? Because I use activated charcoal a lot in in my detox protocols. You know, for like molds, mycotoxin things. So so that activated charcoal has a lifespan for how much it can absorb.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. So with HEPA, the filter actually, after about a month, performs better than the first day. Because a little bit of particulate on there is is actually better. It's plugging up a little bit of the spores pores, giving the more resistance, which is effective. But then you hit a point of diminishing returns where the airflow is dropping. The carbon drops off like a cliff. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. It's non-existent.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  So yeah, if people are having, like in a new home, brand new homes, or the VOCs are super high, new home smell, really a big problem. But about six months is when we find that the carbon is dropping off like a cliff.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  So you replace the filter every six months. You get a Jasper and then you put a new carbon filter.

• 12:40Speaker 00

  And we're moving, we're going to be upgrading to coconut carbon this year and hoping that we can actually extend the filter lifespan a little bit.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  So what is that, coconut shell?

• 12:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, they take the coconut shell and then, you know, they they process it. But yeah, it's using old shells. And if we can, if we can use old recycled shells from Mexico and Costa Rica.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  Because they're being, they're not being really effectively recycled right now. So yeah, it'd be the coconut shell. Which is way better. The cost is a little bit higher for us. But if the lifespan is better, it's it's better than using wood and charcoal and carbon. Coconut is definitely the way to go. So we're we're moving in that direction.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  You know, I I I sort of classify biohacking into two categories. There's like active biohacking and passive biohacking. So passive, I would put, you know, water filtration, mattress, the mattress that you're sleeping on, air filtration.

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  Lighting.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Lighting, these things that, once you invest in them, then usually the investment's over. There's some minimal investment thereafter. But that doesn't add a minute to your day. You know, if you buy a hyperbaric, you got to find sixty to ninety minutes in your day. You know, you got to find a hole. If you have a red light bed, you got to find twenty minutes for that. You got to find twenty minutes for a sauna. So eventually, you you just don't have the time to do that. But, you know, air, water and lighting are are things, I think. People don't realize the impact on our physiology. And once you install those things in your home, and I realize that there's a cost to that. But once you install those things in your home, you know, it's not something that you have to find time to do.

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  And, you know, I, it it sounds like fear mongering, but, you know, I think what we're all trying to do is is just get people around the current system. You know, I mean, and I'm sure you know more about this than I do. But, you know, the way that we build homes now for R factor. You know, they're very efficient for heating and cooling and for R factor and UVA, UVB radiation coming through the windows. But I imagine that that impacts air quality.

• 14:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, your home is like a Tupperware container right now. So since the nineteen seventies, energy crisis started to happen. And they started, you know, prices were going up at the pumps. And they said, hey, let's make homes as thermally efficient as possible.

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  Right.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  This way, we can keep, you know, keep it keep it cool in the in the summer, keep it warm in the winter. We got to make these homes as tight as possible. Somehow, they slept on air.

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  Right.

• 15:04Speaker 00

  They slept on air. And now, and then they weren't looking at the materials that were being used. So they're using all kinds of insulations and offgassing materials. And people don't realize this. Supply chains are very efficient. So when you're building a new home and you're getting a new couch and a new rug, that was manufactured six weeks ago.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Right.

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  And the day that it was done, it was wrapped up, put in a box, shipped to a distribution center, and then it was at your house a week later. Wasn't sitting, they don't offgas it.

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  Yeah.

• 15:31Speaker 00

  So the actual offgassing happens in your home. Which, by the way, I'll keep talking about the homes, but if anyone does buy new furniture and they have an opportunity to put it in the garage, or put it on a patio, or put it outside, or open the windows in that room and let it breathe for a week or so before you put it in your home, that would be really helpful.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 00

  So yeah, homes are built really, really tight. And they completely were neglecting the air quality. So, you know, four hundred to five hundred is kind of your ambient outdoor carbon dioxide. As it gets over a thousand-ish, that's when we start to have a little bit of diminishing returns. I've seen a lot of CO2 in homes when you have ten person dinner parties hit two thousand, three thousand plus.

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  No.

• 16:09Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  Because even though they are circulating, it's circulating the gas, it's not replacing the gas, it's just circulating the air, changing the temperature of the air.

• 16:16Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 00

  So, and then, like, I remember my parents had a dinner party, maybe twenty people at their home, thirty five hundred square foot home. The CO2 stayed high for four days.

• 16:26Speaker 01

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• 16:51Speaker 00

  So anytime, if you're ever like at a place, if you're ever, if you're hosting a party and you see people are leaving early, crack the windows in the door and people will stay. People don't even know why they're leaving. They just feel anxious, uncomfortable, they need to go. And like, if you pay attention, when you go from indoor to outside, that first breath that you take.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Oh.

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  Ah.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:09Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  And it's like, guys, that's not magic air. That's the regular air, maybe partially partly polluted.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  But indoor air is a really big problem because of how tight homes are built. So yeah, we really looked for energy efficiency. Now, there is a way to build, this is what I'm trying to make a big difference in. You can build a really great, energy efficient home that also has very clean air and keeps your CO2 down. So there's products called HRVs and ERVs.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  HRVs and ERVs.

• 17:35Speaker 00

  Energy recovery ventilator and a heat recovery ventilator.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  And these bolt on to your HVAC system?

• 17:40Speaker 00

  They do, basically. And you could, the best of all is you have a really tight home, but you have an ERV or an HRV. So it acts like a fresh air intake, but it has a ceramic, like a ceramic coil in there. So while it's bringing in the outdoor and indoor air, it's it's getting, it's a heat exchanger. So you're not losing the heat in the cool. So you're not having an energy efficiency drop, but your home's still breathing. And then you can filter at the point of intake. So when your homes, the way that way, because where is the air coming in now? It's coming in through your doors, your windows, your attics, the cracks, the walls, all that stuff.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  But yeah, it's a really, that's why people think old homes are moldy homes.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  When I was doing air quality testing, about a third of our business was people who moved into brand new builder builder grade homes. And they were sick immediately.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 18:25Speaker 00

  Because of all the VOCs from the offgassing.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 00

  Whereas the older homes were actually breathing. They were leaky.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they were, they were less efficient, but they had more air circulation.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. So we've we've optimized for our heating and cooling bill at a huge expense to our health.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, it's a, it's a problem here. And Miami is, I think Dr. Minkoff told me this, the mold capital of the world. I believe that because we had a functional medicine clinic here for years and we we sell tons of molds. And mold, mycotoxin, fungal fungal poisoning. And and the thing about mold is you you will never remediate the mold in the body unless you remediate the mold in the home. And I think a lot of people are expecting that really strong sort of damp mold smell. But very often, you you you don't smell it. I mean, you you can smell it, but usually when you smell it, there's a live spores. And that's when it's probably really, really bad. But I mean, it can sit back there on the drywall and that vapor barrier

• 19:21Speaker 01

  and it can sporulate for for years. And and, you know, and a lot of people, it doesn't cause the kind of symptoms that drive you to the ER or make you go to the emergency room, you know, or to the urgent care. It's like brain fog, poor focus, you know, poor concentration, just lack of energy, you know, it's a little bit of mood numbness. Things that people would attribute to their environment other than their air quality. It's like, oh, I'm just stressed out. And then, you know, the kid's schedule is so busy, or, you know, I've got a lot going on at work. And and the truth is, very often, it's just related to the air quality in your home.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  So like when I was testing mold, you you test inside and you test outside. The outdoor sample is called the control sample. You always test the outdoor air when you're testing the indoor air. After a rainy day, the mold spores are in the millions for a few days. And you're actually not supposed to test indoor air if it's rained within forty eight hours. I've never heard of an air testing company who actually follows that.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  I've never heard that.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  It'd be a really bad business. The customer's not going to pay you to not come. You've scheduled it, you're paying your guys. But a lot of times, people are, and now, because of what they called, they started to call it the mold rush in twenty ten, but now it's really the.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  The mold rush?

• 20:31Speaker 00

  Really?

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  It's really is, but it's a renewable resource. And, and what happened is a lot of contractors realized it's a thousand dollars to remove drywall and it's 10,000 if there's an inch of mold. So let's do mold remediation instead. So you've got this huge influx of people. And then a lot of functional medicine docs are like, our phones are blowing up off the hooks. People want to do mold detox. So they take a two day course.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 00

  Who's teaching the course? The mold guy.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  Taking leads.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  And it's a really big problem because first of all, like when it's a humid day, the thing is the greatest air filter of all time is called nature.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  God's air purifier, the sun, wind, rain.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  It's probably why I feel so good in Colorado, man. I talk about it all the time, but.

• 21:13Speaker 00

  You do.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Like I, I have this little, about a three and a half or four mile loop outside of our place in the mountains and it's just through the woods. Nothing makes me feel better than putting on a rucksack and, and going for this, this hike in the, in the mountains. And my, my red light bed, nothing. All the fancy equipment that I have here in Miami, nothing makes me feel better than, you know, in, uh, you know, Chinese medicine, they call it forest bathing. And, and they actually used to prescribe, I think they still do, you know, forest bathing. And, you know, so going out and just getting in the fresh air.

• 21:46Speaker 00

  Also the negative ions are super high. And I actually have tested the carbon dioxide on Vancouver Island in the rainforest and it was 360.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  The outdoor ambient CO2 is like, can you get it lower if you're in the middle of the rainforest? Yeah, it's lower.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  So you got that, you got clean air, you got the negative ions, you got the sun.

• 22:06Speaker 00

  And mold, like if we go outside right now, we test, there's mold everywhere outside, but it's not a problem outside. Mold doesn't grow outside. The problem is, it's like the, the little sandwich, there's only, mold only grows on the bread when you put it in the Tupperware.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  When you have the sun shining on it and with, with good airflow, mold is not a problem.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  So when people's indoor environments are sealed tight and they have no sun exposure, what happens to people when they don't have sun?

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:30Speaker 00

  And I, I think what happens is the mold, the mold is pretty pissed off. It was doing fine outside.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  And then you trapped it indoors and it's just trying to survive. So it's replicating, it's multiplying, it's sending out its mycotoxins to try to, you know, grow and your body ends up becoming the host.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:46Speaker 00

  So because of the way we built and we trap ourselves inside and going back to mold testing, almost every type of mold test is either designed for a false positive or a false negative. Which most people don't realize. So, you know, you go to the functional medicine doc, they say, take a urine test. You're like, ah, I've got the mold.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:01Speaker 00

  Unless you're like detoxing a lot, everybody's got levels of heavy metals and mold.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 23:07Speaker 00

  So it's a perfect storm and you go to the functional medicine doc, you know, they took a two day course on mold. Which by the way, mold remediation course is also a two day course.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 23:16Speaker 00

  Your trusted mold technician, it's a two day course often.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:20Speaker 00

  Two day course. So it's not like they went to school or anything for this. It's a hazardous cleanup, but to become a mold remediation tech is two days.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  And you learn nothing there. It's all like ancient stuff. You learn as much as a doctor learns about nutrition.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Oh man.

• 23:34Speaker 00

  So you, you have people that are certified, they know nothing. They come in and like the restoration guys love the false positives. And the insurance company loves the false negatives, but in the, the naturopaths don't realize, but they're usually like Erme's, for example. You're all, if you're, Erme is like historical. So you're looking at the dust, often in the HVAC system, uh, or like taking a dust sample. So it's almost always false positive. It doesn't mean that's what's in the air today. It means it rained last week and there was mold at some point. So it's collected in your dust.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  And then that test is designed to be very alarmist. So this is where it's really nuanced because when you have a mold rush, it's like all the crypto guys, when there's a big opportunity, a lot of experts come in really fast. And then you have, so the best thing is to do, you know, you want to test, there's three or four different mold tests you want to do. But ultimately everyone I know who's done mold consulting for a while, you know, in a home in your first two minutes, if it's moldy or not.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  The, the test only confirms what you already know. It's helpful for the homeowner to get the baseline and the before and the after. And like you said, you know, you can't heal in the place that made you sick.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's so true. And that's, that's, that's the number one rule of, of mold detox is to.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  And people are doing supplements, but they're still sleeping and they're doing this huge detox protocol.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:50Speaker 00

  In the moldy bedroom, I'm like, guys, what are we doing here?

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, you're retoxin, detoxing, retoxin, detoxing. And, and, you know, so if you're in that environment, that's, that's, that's the number one thing is to get, get yourself out of that environment. It's the whole reason why I, I don't want to turn this into a commercial for my mattresses, but it's why I launched the ultimate snooze. Because I realized we're spending a third of our life on our mattress. And, you know, when I did one of these detox challenges, I saw so many, uh, urine samples that had these like silicone glues and, and flame retardants and these, these accelerants, including my wife's urine and my urine, which really freaked me out.

• 25:25Speaker 00

  It's another passive biohack, if you think about it.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. How do you check fuel in my urine? I was like, that's weird. I mean, what's, what's got jet fuel in it that I'm like drinking or breathing? But, um, you know, the mold remediation is important, but you know, I've, I've heard you also talk about how, um, you know, your air filtration system is only going to get you so far because number one, it's not constantly recirculating the air.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  You mean like HVAC wise?

• 25:48Speaker 01

  HVAC wise, you know, so it's not, it's not constant on. And then secondly, it's, it's recirculating the, the same air. And some of these filters are not specific to getting down to mold spores and smaller particulate matter. And it has a demonstrative impact, not just on how you sleep, um, but your cognitive function, you know, overall, you know, whether or not, you know, your level of brain fog, your, your, your processing speed, your short, short-term recall. One of the stats I found fascinating that you quoted, and I don't want to misquote it, um, was putting air filtration into, um, public schools and seeing the, um, attendance rates.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Go up by 30%.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  And, you know, I want to be.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Or the absentee rates go down by 30%.

• 26:37Speaker 00

  Yes, I guess that's the same.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:40Speaker 00

  So yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  I guess it is.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  And if they were optimizing for carbon dioxide, it would have been even better. So like a few baseline studies, when you talk about cognitive performance, they've taken air quality, whether it's CO2 particulate, um, and they do it in, I've seen it with, um, chess players, grandmasters in chess, and they see how much is their next move game theory optimal. And they, the, the air quality was directly correlated to the quality of their move, move. So even with high performance, like brain athletes, another big one is SAT scores. So the test score is completely correlated to the air quality. It makes sense.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 27:16Speaker 00

  Well, think about it. If we think about how you feel.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  You know, it's, it's like playing is a nose on your face kind of thing where you, you, you know, when you say it, it makes sense.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  Air quality is like getting hit in the head by a two by four. When you realize that it's a duh moment.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 00

  So with the school, the study was done in Finland. They put air purifiers, and I don't even think super impressive ones, but decent ones into 50% of the classes across a handful of schools. And the absentee rates dropped by 20 to 30%, depending on where.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 27:43Speaker 00

  They, they, they crushed it.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  So, um, yeah, that's that, that, whether it's the SAT scores or the chess players, and the list goes on and on and on. Another one was like based on the, um, the level of PM 2.5 and the inflammation in your body and your airways. A, a small amount, but when your airways are more inflamed, you get less oxygen. You're not running as efficiently.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, I noticed that sometimes, um, when I travel and I stay in certain hotels, I will get phlegmy and slightly congested. I don't feel terrible.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Sleep scores are still good, but I, I can tell that it, something in the air quality and you know, hotels are infamous, like you, we were talking about earlier for shutting off the HVAC in the rooms between guests. So yeah, you save a few pennies, but.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  You remediate your whole hotel for mold and you're knocking them down.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. So now, you know, you know, the room, and you can tell those rooms where, um, you walk in and the AC has been off for days and they just turn the AC on and the, and the air actually feels, you can feel the moisture in, in the air. Sometimes you can even smell the mold in the air. And, you know, you turn the AC unit on and then that smell kind of goes away and.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  Or you get used to it.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Or maybe it's just because you're getting, getting used to it. You know, so I think, I think it's a bigger problem than, um, than most of us realize. And it, again, it's one of those aha moments. I always talk about when a fish gets sick, we clean the tank. When humans get sick, we never think about the tank that they're in. You know, we really don't treat the environment and physicians don't ever ask you about the environment that you're in, you know, is there mold in your home? Kind of what are you drinking? Kind of mattress are you sleeping on? They, they don't think about these, this constant toxic, toxic load. And it may not just be the air quality. I mean, there's, your toxic bucket just is getting filled up with, you know, um, and different assailants. And then eventually something happens, autoimmune, you get sick, get repeated viral attacks,

• 29:41Speaker 01

  you get repeated sore throats, whatever it is. And a lot, a lot of these repeated sore throats are directly attributable to mold, especially in children. We found this in our own daughter. We have, um, so I have, I have three kids and I have, um, uh, one that I share with my wife Sage, um, my youngest, Alina, and she, when she was 16, 15, 16, she just started getting all of a sudden, out of nowhere, just repeated, um, sore throats, like three, four strep infections a year. And I was very anti wiping it out with antibiotics every time because I knew we were just going to buy a problem for ourselves down the road. And what I realized, and I would really give this message to parents that are listening,

• 30:24Speaker 01

  was the vast majority of these kids have mold toxicity. It's perfectly, it just lays back there in the adenoids. It's dormant sometimes, sporulates. If there's any streptococcal bacteria, it pisses that bacteria off and it flames up.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Especially if when they have a stress, like a stressful event.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  It seems like it really triggers it.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  Like I would be testing people's homes, there's family of five. One doesn't notice it. One is completely itchy skin and red eyes and trouble breathing and two of them are mildly impacted. Like really, I, I feel like mold is really an allergen. And people are more allergic to it.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  And then the amount of stress that you're going through really kicks it up. And like, I think the hotel probably doesn't impact you as much as others because of all the stuff you're doing all the time.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:10Speaker 00

  Whereas for enough people, if that stress bucket was already almost full, a couple nights and that big exposure puts them over the edge.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  So, so, um, back to the Jasper filter for a minute.

• 31:23Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  So, in, in, in an ideal situation for, you know, the best air quality, is this something that you would put one in the biggest area of your home? Or would you put them in kids' rooms, your bedroom, and one in the biggest area of your home? How much air does one of these things move?

• 31:40Speaker 00

  So, by far, the most important place to put it is your bedroom.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that is- Spend a third of your life in there, so.

• 31:46Speaker 00

  Bedroom for sure. Get the good bed, get good sheets, get a good pillow. And, and sleep is funny because sleep is only as good as the weakest link. You know, if you have the greatest bed ever, but it's hot, you ain't sleeping. If it's loud, you're not sleeping. Like, with you, when it comes to your, I call the bedroom the sleep sanctuary.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  And the average person nowadays has a million dollar home and a thousand dollar bed.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  I know.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  Maybe get a-

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Spend a third of your life-

• 32:08Speaker 00

  Get a $950,000 home and spend $50,000 optimizing all your bedrooms. What's the point of a home, guys? So-

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it should heal you. You know, your home can really be a place for you to detox and, and heal.

• 32:21Speaker 00

  It can go from the place that makes you sick to your healing sanctuary.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 00

  So, if you think about it, um, the first one needs to go in your bedroom, for sure.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  If you, the number one way you pollute your home, though, is cooking, by far. So if someone's cooking frequently, having one in the main room is also a no-brainer.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 00

  But bedroom first, because if we can dial in that third of our life-

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  It's gonna pay dividends and compound, like, incredibly.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  Then you move into the, then you move into the kitchen and living room area. Also, it depends where you spend your time. If someone has a home office and they're spending a third of their life there, then that's another really good place to optimize for.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Well, everybody gathers in the kitchen, and I think, you know, we think that ventilation over the stove is, is, is enough, but probably not for those, that particular matter. And when you're, and when you're cooking, you're creating a lot of these VOCs, too, right? So I've been working out with my son lately, trying to keep up with him and his high rocks competitive athletes, and I've been starting to use this Perfect Dino pre-workout. I really like it. It's got BH4, it improves nitric oxide output, but it actually seems to stay after the workout and not crash. There's no stimulants, so no caffeine, no Ma Long, nothing that gives you that kind of amped feeling. You just feel like you're maybe better able to move during the workout, like you have better blood flow. So if you're in the market for a pre-workout, check out the Perfect Dino pre-workout. It's my favorite now. Now, let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  And, well, the interesting thing about cooking, so, more than 50% of range hoods do almost nothing. So, well, we'll weave some free tips in here, because this is what it's all about.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, let's give them some tips for things that they could do if they didn't, if they don't have the wherewithal to invest in a filter-

• 33:56Speaker 00

  And even if you do.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  -to improve their quality.

• 33:58Speaker 00

  You wanna do, but, you wanna do it all.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  Uh, but, but the, the free stuff that you could do tonight is a really big deal. So if you cook a lot, or if you cook it all at home, number one, let's make sure your range hood's working. And I'll use the word range hood and vent interchangeably. It's the thing above your stove that's supposed to evacuate the air from your house.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  So number one, take a Kleenex, take a paper towel, turn it on, and make sure it's actually sucking it up.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:20Speaker 00

  Often, you'll see it's blowing it down, or it's not pulling at all.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 34:23Speaker 00

  If it's not pulling it from your hand and holding it there, it's not working.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  If it's been a few years before you, if you, since you've cleaned that thing, too, you wouldn't imagine the amount of grease that's stuck up in those things.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, clean that thing regularly, like, at least once a year.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Then, if we know that it's pulling air, let's find out where it's venting to. You'd be shocked how often it's just venting into the cabinet right above. Right above. You open that little cabinet above, and the vent's just there, wide open.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  So your, your GC just ran it into there.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, especially apartments.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Often, it's venting into your attic.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  So imagine you're steaming and boiling your, your veggies, and you're cooking, and you're, you're vaporizing water, and then you're just dumping it into your attic. Why do you think you get mold in your attic?

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Especially when the attic doesn't breathe. So ideally, that range hood should be pulling air, it should be venting it outside.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:12Speaker 00

  So cooking, not only does it create a lot of particulate and stuff, but it also creates PAH, Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons. When I would test homes after wildfires, PAH, hexavalent chromium are two of the main things that we would test for. And until those were non-existent, a home wasn't cleared.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  And those are carcinogens, and those are, those are, those are byproducts of, like, you know, coming in contact with very high heat.

• 35:36Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Those are, that's, that's, that's denaturization from very high heat.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  So you could have, you could have the best pan, and the best oils, and high-quality butters, and a great, grass-fed, grass-fed steak, but you're still gonna create the PAH. So you need to be venting that out of your home. And if you go into a home and it smells like food everywhere-

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:54Speaker 00

  It dissipates. Where do you think it really is going? It goes into your carpets, into your clothes, into your walls, into your bedding. So that PAH is getting absorbed into your pillow, and then you're sleeping on it. The good news is, this is an easy thing, this is a low-hanging fruit.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  Get that range hood working. It's also an area that's very worth investing in.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 00

  Um, eventually, I would like to make a new, better range hood. It'll be a while. How, how silly that your range hood still has to be manually turned on and off.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  Like, why is there not a sensor? And then, when you have these great vents, if your CO2 is high, let's use all the existing fans in the home to help the home breathe and exhaust.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 00

  Just a no-brainer. So cooking, let's get that range hood going. Number two, bathroom fans. Everything I said about the range hood applies the exact same to the bathroom fan. Take the tissue, hold it up. You might be surprised, it's not working. If it's caked in dust, clean it, open it, clean it, check where it vents. So you're taking that shower, and if you, you look how much water your towel can absorb, it's, it's a lot. It could be a gallon of water, plus the water pooled up in the shower, and then it's going, even if your bathroom fan's running, it's going into the attic, which often is not ventilating. So you really wanna make sure those bathroom fans are venting outside. If they're going into the attic, then you wanna make sure that the attic is breathing properly. Otherwise, you're taking the cooking particulate, the steam, the showers, you're dumping in

• 37:10Speaker 00

  the attic, then you get a whole bunch of mold growing in there, which is the least bad place to have mold.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  But it still backdrafts, and it can still create a problem, and it can still grow downwards. So we need those bathroom fans working, and people think bathroom fans are for the poop particles.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  They're for the shower, they're for the moisture, they're for the humidity.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  So if you have a family of five, and there's five showers happening a day, you're talking gallons and gallons of water just dumping into your home every day, potentially unfiltered water. So you wanna be getting that stuff out of the home. Obviously, minimal carpets, minimal rugs. If you are using carpets, getting a really good HEPA vacuum, and I don't mean, like, the Dyson, for example, there's a real, the mold vacuum that I used to use for mold and asbestos, it was called the GD930.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  That sounds serious.

• 37:53Speaker 00

  It's ser- serious.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:55Speaker 00

  They're only-

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Sounds like a front-end loader.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  They're only $500, $600 now.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 37:59Speaker 00

  And they're on Amazon.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  And what is the difference? Is it the suction power?

• 38:02Speaker 00

  Suction power is incredible, but it's a real mechanical filter with a big HEPA bag. Even in mold restoration, this would last us months. For residential use, you'll probably never have to change the filter, ever.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  And this should be your, it's not your daily driver.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  But you can't get these things at, like, Walmart or Target.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  Amazon has them now.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Amazon has them.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  Euroclean, no fisk.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  What is it called?

• 38:22Speaker 00

  GD930.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  GD930.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  So that is like your deep clean vacuum.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  And I really recommend that every family, part of your New Year's resolution, and you're, you know, you're getting ready for the holidays, having a family-wide detox, deep clean party. One day-

• 38:38Speaker 01

  That sounds like something my family would do, for sure, man.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  Put on good music, take the dishes out, take the, move the dresser, move the bed, have some, like, rotate it out.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Once a year, a deep clean. This is a good time to get your ducts cleaned, get your carpet steam cleaned, and do a deep clean of your house. Do the range hood, do the bathroom fans. Once a year is fine. So, big deep clean party, why not?

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  It's just, it's just a low stakes, you know? Because, last thing we wanna do is create daily, weekly, or monthly habits.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, when you pull that bed out from the wall, too, there's some nasty business going on back there. I mean, as clean as my house is, too, uh, we just recently renovated and put, put new, new furniture in the house, and, you know, I'm a psycho about the, you tested my air quality, um, about the air, the cleaning products we use in here, everything, but man, I pulled the bed out from the wall, and the, behind that headboard, was-

• 39:31Speaker 00

  It's like the one place where the cleaning isn't happening.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, was pretty, pretty bad.

• 39:35Speaker 00

  Um, so those are big ones, obviously, you know, you wanna mitigate the source.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  So using better cleaning products, and using better oils, and all that good stuff, but really getting the ventilation dialed in, and then, as much as there is outdoor pollution, outdoor air is typically, indoor air is typically five to 10 times dirtier than outdoor air.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  I've heard that from so many sources.

• 39:56Speaker 00

  It's very consistent.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  It's very, not here. It's very consistent, though. And if you think about it, your indoor air, like, people think of their home air as, like, this insulated thing. When I test 99% of homes, there's more pollen in your bed than there is outside, even on a high pollen day.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  Because your home is not, it's not, where do you think the air inside's coming from? Comes from outside.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:16Speaker 00

  So that pollen is just staying inside and getting trapped. So, you open, if you're cooking, this is a great time to open your windows. So, if your range hood isn't working good, and your bathroom fan isn't working good, let your home breathe.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  And you know, the loud range hood vent can be quite annoying, but opening a couple windows, get that cross ventilation going, your home needs to breathe, just like you do.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  You always feel so much better when that happens, too.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  I mean, one of the nice things about Miami, we have dinner parties sometimes in, in the winter, and I'm always, I open the whole one side of the home, and it's just a different environment when, when you do that, and let the fresh air in. So, fresh air, range hood, bathroom fans, once a year, family clean party, you know?

• 40:55Speaker 00

  Keep the shoes outside, or have a separate pair of indoor shoes and slippers.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I got a pair. My wife is so big on that.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  95% of shoes tested have fecal matter on them, AKA poop. Uh, we're good here. So, and then, what do you think it is for glyphosate? It's gonna be the same.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  You're walking around on, just 'cause you're not using Roundup, you're walking around on public grounds all the time.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  Dog poop, that, dog poop and glyphosate is on your shoes, then you come inside, you're walking on your carpets, you're walking on your floor, then baby's crawling around, and then it's constantly getting aerosolized. So you wanna, you wanna be cleaning your air, but you wanna stop things at the source level, if you can.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  And like, water is an obvious thing, if people realize, it, only in the last 10 years, did drinking filtered water become, like, kind of table stakes. Everybody grew up, you know, uh, drinking from the hose.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  Then you think back-

• 41:44Speaker 01

  I did, too. We survived, yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Me, too.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:47Speaker 00

  They probably still are.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  God only knows what was in the municipal water in the eighties when I was drinking it out of my. Well, we lived on farms, so at least we had well water, so.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  And if you drink the hose water, you're like, it kinda tasted a little plasticky.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  It did.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  You can taste it right now, just thinking about it.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  You got that memory.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Tasted super metallic, like I could actually taste copper.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  Or like the school or the park water fountains.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Occasionally I go around and test water fountains at park.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  And like the LEDs off the charts.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 42:14Speaker 00

  Off the charts.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Just because of the pipes.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  So like, we all realize, and once you start drinking filtered water, now you learn to trust your senses more and you can taste what top water tastes like.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  So true.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  Versus filtered water.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  I can't drink top water.

• 42:25Speaker 00

  So the cool thing is, what's really exciting here is ignorance is not bliss. What happens is, I always tell people, there's the worst part, there's one bad thing about really cleaning your air. You may become an air snob. All of a sudden, you go to people's homes.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  And you're like, this is, this is, you know.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  That happens to me in hotels, man.

• 42:41Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  I can smell the lack of air quality, even in really good hotels.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Well, no, we'll know that my work has been valuable if, if by 2030, when you go on Airbnb, there is a scent-free option on the filter. Or when you go on Uber, there's a scent-free option.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  If we can get that awareness going enough.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:59Speaker 00

  With those fragrances.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you're big on the fragrances.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Or I'm big on the anti-fragrances.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, anti-fragrances, yeah. You're big on fragrance awareness, I should say.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  I guess while we're talking about the free tips, no Glide plugins, no Fabreeze, no air fresheners.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Dude, I, I have a driver in Las Vegas and I went out to, for, for the fights this weekend with the family and he got into his,

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Suburban, and he actually had this little thing that created scents in the cup holder. And it was. Smoke, yeah, so I guess what it was doing was taking the, the, the little gel filter and vaporizing it. And dude, I got into the car and you could just feel it. It's like, you know, when somebody just has way too much perfume on and you get on an elevator with them or something? It felt like that in there and he was like, don't you love it, man? I, you know, I bought this thing, it's electric, it's a car, always smells good. I'm like, shut that thing off, open the doors.

• 43:51Speaker 00

  I'm making a beautiful card that we're gonna send to all of our customers.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  With their Jaspers and we'll send it out to as many people as we can, where it'll be a beautiful card in English and Spanish with a little QR code that you give to the Uber driver that explains to them what that Christmas tree of death is doing to them.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  Because like people, we need help. And I, I have a lot of videos where I actually would talk to the Uber driver of why they have it there.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  They think it's increasing the ambiance.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 00

  And you know what's interesting? You can't trick human biology when it comes to temperature. Where our thermal sensors are, we're so, you can't trick the body. Cold feels cold, hot feels hot, but you really can manipulate smell and you can really manipulate taste. So, but companies have taken a lot of advantage manipulating our food and manipulating our air in a really big way.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  That's a whole separate podcast. I could definitely go down that road with you. But, um, yeah, that's part of, but part of my whole Maha presence is, you know, trying to fix food quality, especially in the public school system. And I mean, the public school system's serving thirty million meals twice a day. You know, so sixty million meals a day to our most vulnerable, which are children in their most vulnerable stages, their prepubescent years. And, and you know, it's no wonder forty-two percent of kids have one chronic disease.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  So I'm curious, actually, what you think about something, because what I've, what my research has showed and what I believe to be true is when you think about, I learned, don't eat unless I'm salivating. And I've noticed this to be deeply impactful. So even if I'm like out in public, I, my, my prayer for food is take, putting it close and smelling it very slowly. And I smell each thing on the plate and I feel my mouth instantly fill with saliva. It's amazing.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, the body is like, that's like the Papst's dog, you know, experiment, but the, the body is amazing at starting, creating cravings around what it needs. And I think what's happened with highly processed foods is it's perverted that sense, right? I mean, we, if you're nutritionally deprived, you will actually crave the very things that make that situation worse. So, you know, like GLP-1 is a hormone we secrete in our gut. And I mean, this trillion dollar industry crept up around GLP-1s. But we secrete GLP-1 in response to nutrient density. So when you chemically circumvent the GLP-1 response,

• 46:11Speaker 01

  the body doesn't realize that it's the amount of calories it's taking in, it's trying, it's reading the nutrients. That's why you can eat four boxes of Oreos, but you can't eat four avocados.

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Always got room for dessert.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I always have room for dessert, right? Because four avocados is too nutrient dense, you know, you gag, but you can eat, you can eat a whole box of Oreos because they're chemically designed to circumvent that response. And, you know, again, when we get back to like biohacking, you know, I, I just tell people, look, there's no secret to dogmatic dieting, secret to living a long, healthy life from a food perspective is just the absence of processed foods. But, you know, again, these things like air quality, water quality, light quality, even though these are expenses, you know, if you're on that journey of wellness, longevity, anti-aging, whatever you want to call it. I mean, making your home this sanctuary

• 47:08Speaker 01

  of healing, sleep, relaxation, this is, should be where you go to detox, not sort of re-tox. And I think so many of our homes are making us sick and not the least of which is, you know, mold and indoor air quality. And five years ago, I would bet more than half of all primary care physicians would have just told you that mold is a made up, you know, it's hocus pocus. We all have mold, mold's everywhere. You don't need to worry about mold. I can patently tell you that that is false, you know, from, from having our clinic treat tens of thousands of patients and remediate mold. By the way, I have a free mold detox on my, on my website at theultimatehuman.com. It's completely free.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  So if you find that you have mold in your urine or you do a test and you find mold, there's an eight-week detox in there for mold and another one for heavy metals. Because I'm such a believer that as the, you know, we, we slowly sort of micropoison ourselves to death. And, and air is one of those things. So, so back to the filtration.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  What, what kinds of things is, is this taking out of the air? And, and what direct impact does that have on our physiology?

• 48:18Speaker 00

  And I'll say, when we talk about, when I say PM 2.5,

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  What that means is particulate matter, 2.5 microns in size.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  2.5 microns.

• 48:25Speaker 00

  And why is that an issue?

• 48:27Speaker 01

  I don't have any estimate of what that is. Is that like dust?

• 48:30Speaker 00

  It's a lot of.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Smaller than dust.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  It could be dust and smoke and, oh, like, well, 0.3 to 10 microns is what I was testing for before.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:37Speaker 00

  PM 2.5 in particular. And you know, a lot of things have like ranges of particle sizes, but the reason PM 2.5 is the one that you see reported and talked about the most

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  is because it's small enough to get into your lungs and bloodstream and too big to get out. So when things are 0.3, 0.1 microns and tiny, tiny, tiny, they come in and you breathe them back out.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  They don't get stuck.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:58Speaker 00

  That PM 2.5, it comes in and it stays in, which is why that's like the number that we always see reported on. And it's, it's big in air quality indexes. And then VOCs is this catch-all term for volatile organic compounds. You know, there's naturally occurring VOCs.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  But when we're talking about it in an indoor environment, we're talking about what the fragrance is creating in the off gases. Basically airborne chemicals.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Is the, is the simple way of thinking about it. So when we test air in a home, average bedroom, when I go and test it, you know, there's a million particles floating around between 0.3 and 10 microns inside. What's that? You're talking smoke, pollen, rubber from the tires of the cars. Yeah, you got mold spores, you got allergens, you got all the general pollutions. You know, you may not be using lint dryer vents, but your neighbor is. So everybody's polluting this air that we share. Your home is pulling it in and then that's in your bedroom. So typically in the average bedroom, when you start cleaning the air in about half an hour, we can get it about ninety-five to ninety-nine percent cleaner. Really, really, really quickly. It's just like, water filters work, air filters work.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  In half an hour?

• 50:02Speaker 00

  Half an hour.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  When we did a test at the, at the Ritz here, we got a ten times cleaner in twenty minutes.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  In the room you're staying in? You just walked right in there with a Jasper and set it right in your room?

• 50:11Speaker 00

  I travel with it everywhere I go.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 50:13Speaker 00

  Everywhere I go, I drag that thing with me.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  If you know me, you know I don't recommend anything I haven't personally tested. That's not a marketing line, that's just how I operate. I've been on the road my entire career, different time zones, brutal schedules, no margin for days off. And so I'm constantly testing what actually works in my own body. NAD was something I keep coming back to. It's the molecule your cells use to produce energy and repair, and it declines faster than most people realize. When I found Symbiotica's liposomal NAD, the absorption technology is what got my attention. I tested it, I felt it, and it's been in my bag ever since. I'm always evolving what I put in my body and this one has stayed on the list. I'm genuinely excited for you to experience it. This is the standard we hold every product to before it even reaches you. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

• 51:00Speaker 00

  So it's like, it's, it's kind of like what you were talking about before, where it's like, is it, it's, it's your body? I, and I, for myself, I rebranded sleep to healing time. Because sleep felt like a dormant word. I didn't want to like go to sleep. It felt like I was turning off and I love being on and vibrant and awake.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  But like when I'm sick, I'm like, I'm going to do my healing time now. And in eight hours, I'm going to find out if I'm feeling better the next day or not. Like feels like all the healing happens in that state. So when I talk, when I, I view it, instead of sleep in a bedroom, I'm like, it's my healing room.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 00

  And I want to optimize my healing facility, my, my, my sleep sanctuary. So if I get that dialed in, so when the air is now in, it's not filled with pollen and it's not filled with mold and it's not filled with, with dust mites. And it's not just the dust. When there's dust, there's dust mites, which most people are fairly allergic to. Then your body can heal itself.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  So true, man.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  So that's a big one.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Nothing more powerful than our God-given immune system.

• 51:55Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Distracted.

• 51:56Speaker 00

  Just get out of its way.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 00

  And babies, this is a really crazy one, too.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  This is huge, yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  So, you know, you got, you got your baby, comes home, born in a hospital, which already usually is typically horrible air.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  And then you bring your baby home and you just painted and you got a new crib and a new little mattress and little toys filled with mold. And then you put your baby in there 18 hours a day and you shut the doors and you shut the window and you close the blinds.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Baby's sick all the time.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 00

  And the worst is you got these little diaper pails. And they're supposed to be airtight, but you go into a nursery.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Diaper Genie or whatever it's called, yeah.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  That's one of the big brands.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  And it stinks like poop in there.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  Newsflash, trust your nose, if it smells like poop, it is poop. And if it's poop, it's incredibly high levels of bacteria.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 00

  So I'd love to say Jaspers, the solution for this, it helps. But the right, like, if there's like one message that I'm a huge proponent of, it's getting those diaper pails out of baby's room. And there's actually a pretty small one, it's like a $70 Amazon one. It's very small and it works like a trash chute. And it's small enough that you're dumping it out every single day. Cause the diaper genie and others, they have a weak capacity. So you're holding five, six day old diapers in a bedroom and you go in there like, oh. So remember this was 2020, I was living in Cologne, British Columbia. And I'm going into my, my first daughter's room and it stinks like poop. And I'm like, Rach, I don't know about this. My spidey senses say this is not okay.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 00

  But she was really, you know, holding it down, first baby. I said, can we please not put the, the diapers in the pail? Like, let's commit to taking them outside right away. And she's like, ah, you know, there's a lot of stuff, like, this is really convenient. I said, fine, rite of passage, mom, mom and dad, rite of passage. For tonight, let's put the diaper pail in our bedroom and see what it feels like to sleep with a poop can in our room. P S, I'm gonna sleep in the other room tonight.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  And she's like, ew, no, I'm not doing that.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  You're like, ah, yeah.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  I didn't have to say anything else.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Because then it clicked for her, she's like, wait a second. If I wouldn't sleep in it, but our, but our baby who can't talk is, this is a big problem.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 00

  So, you know, you're talking about the mattress before, like, so tips for, for inspecting, expecting parents is, you know, you wanna make the pretty nursery, I get it. If you're gonna paint, do it, do it six months before, do it four months before. Open those windows as much as you can, let that room off gas as much as possible. Please don't put those little anklets, those EMF anklets on your baby either. We don't need that. If you are gonna have a camera and a monitor, if you can put it eight feet away, that seems to be the sweet spot EMF wise.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Yep. Agree with that.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  The, the cribs, I, I, everybody loves new furniture, but if you can get a, a secondhand dresser and, and a crib, so the off gassing has already been complete before you put that into your nursery, that would be great. And if not, get the baby stuff four or five, get it as early as you can, put it outside, put it in the garage, open the windows, let that stuff off gas. Cause adults, fun facts, this probably should have been the first thing I said.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Adults are breathing on average 15,000 to 17,000 times a day. Toddlers are 50 to 60,000 times, infants can be.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  50 to 60,000.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  Thousand breaths a day.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Infants can be 80 to 100,000 breaths per day.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  The average person drinks half a ga, this is probably a good water drinker, half a gallon of water per day, but you breathe three, breathe 3,000 gallons of air per day. They say about 70% of all your detox happens in your lungs. So if you're taking in this amount of air relative to this much water, so you're breathing, you know, you have two pounds of food coming in a day, half a gallon of water and 3,000 gallons of air, it's by far the thing that we take in the most. It's also the, breathing is the only thing that we do passively and actively. So when you're sleeping, you're not eating, you're not drinking, the only thing keeping you alive all night long is your, is air quality, is the air that you're breathing. It's so, it's the first thing you do when you're born, it's the last thing you do before you die.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  And I think that's why we're sleeping on air, no pun intended, is because it's so core to our existence that if we were so distracted by air, you know, we're really good at adapting to things. So I think that's why air is just like this, this duh moment.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  Because of how much air we take in. And if you look at the Google search volume, air quality is like meh, flat. Type in breath work and it's like hockey stick growth. So the fact that we're, we don't talk, I mean, we should, but we're talking about what we eat more than how we chew. And we're talking about water quality more than how we drink. But breath work is talked about way more. Breathing is clearly understood and growing, but what are we even breathing? It's just, it's just hiding in.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  That's why I try to do it outside every day. I mean, and it is such a game changer, you know, it's, it's more of the free advice things that I talk about that really help move the needle, those habitual things, like just getting sunlight in your eyes in the morning within the first 30, 60 minutes of the day. Delaying your coffee intake, maybe 60 minutes after you wake up.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  Love that one.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  You know, getting a little sunlight onto your skin, you know, doing a few rounds of, of, of breath work and, which was really hard for me, learning to sit in silence. You know, I always, growing up until just very recently, had a real issue with silence. I mean, it's when my brain would just start to ricochet and think about everything, but quieting my mind was a really hard thing. Tuning, tuning into my breath allowed me to quiet my mind. And it's sort of that transition from waking into the day and it's free and it's portable and you can do it anywhere. I do, I, I do it on commercial flights, I mean, when I do those 15 hour flights to.

• 57:20Speaker 00

  Breath is your connection to like everything.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 57:23Speaker 00

  And if the air field is polluted and distorted, your connection to the everything, there's too much noise in, in that, in the air. And people are like, we're talking through the air, EMF moves through the air. We're not just talking about particulates and VOCs, but air is the vehicle in which, we couldn't be talking underwater right now.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  This is like the medium of life. So keeping that channel super clear and super dialed in. And there's two fun studies, you know, cause like mold is everywhere that I, that I forgot to mention to tell you. So all of our studies, I like, cause I was a restoration guy. I wasn't a scientist or an engineer, I was a mold man, you know? So I was testing the air before, cleaning it, testing it after. It was like very simple, layman kind of thing.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  I was just looking at before and afters. And so all of the labs tests that we do are real world stuff. Most studies that you look at, when you look at water filters, air filters, cleaning products, it's these in these controlled environments. So all our mold studies, you know, we removed 97.1% of the mold spores in a 500 square foot room with eight foot ceilings in one hour. In two hours, it's 99.9, uh, and 98.1, in three hours, it's 100%. Because we're scrubbing, we're scrubbing the air in the room. So all of our studies, and when you go to our website, we put all of our lab datas right there.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Where's this jasper.com?

• 58:41Speaker 00

  Jasper.co.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Jasper.co.

• 58:43Speaker 00

  Get the com.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Okay. Yeah, now that they know you have a big company, they're gonna hold it for you.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  And so all, everything should be real world examples. We did a study, a sleep study about a year and a half ago, where we shipped 150 people Jaspers. They were using Aura and Whoop and a few other sleep tracking devices, a lot of Whoop. And what happened was they, um, these were people who were not filtering their air. So we said, we'll give you guys a Jasper in exchange for 30 days of sleep data, four weeks. So the first week, keep your Jasper off. Weeks two and three, Jasper on, in your bedroom, fan speed three, dark mode. Week four, turn your Jasper off. The average person got 25 minutes more sleep per night, 18% more deep sleep and they fell asleep five minutes faster. And this was dramatically pulled up by the people who were sleeping, the people who were sleeping

• 59:32Speaker 00

  four hours a night were sleeping like six. You know, people who were really dialed in and optimized still got solid benefit, but people who were really struggling, anyone who had mold or pollen or allergies or VOCs or they were cooking a lot, and then the white noise also helped a lot of people quiet their minds as well.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 00

  So this is just like, when, when I got to see that, 30, this is still, and by the way, all of this is a community study. That was an anecdotal study that we did with the general public. A lot of them were influencers and doctors, but this was not an official sleep study. This was our own community led sleep study off of basically Aura and Whoop tracking data and stuff like that. And to me, that kind of study is very relatable.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 00

  And when I realized that also about 30% of people who were snoring stopped snoring. And we historically look at snoring as, you know, weight and structural issues. But for a lot of people, especially people, they have CPAP machines to force air down your throat. It should be like the law, like table stakes, that if you need a CPAP, you have to clean the air.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  Cause you've got this moldy, pollen filled air that you're just driving deep down your airways. Come on, guys. Another duh moment. So HEPA, I'm kind of on a, we're gonna change our language soon, cause you know, we're calling our, it a HEPA filter. HEPA is bullshit.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  It is, why?

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  HEPA is totally bullshit.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Why, is it just particulate size or what?

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  So, you know, you often hear that it filters down to, you know, 99.97% or at 0.03 microns. What they don't tell you, that's the MPPS, which is the most penetrable particle size. So we actually are more effective at smaller particle sizes. That's, they say down to 0.03, it's not true. If you look at the lab data, at 0.02 and 0.01, we're more effective than 0.03. That's like the PM 2.5, that's the sneaky size that, that gets through and.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  And that's the most damaging.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  That's the most damaging. But also. HEPA, so you go to these third-party labs. And if you dig deep, when you ask these companies and you look at their, their lab data, what happens is, so Jaspers, you asked about airflow.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  At the lowest fan speed, we move about a hundred to a hundred and twenty cubic feet per minute. At the highest speed, it's about four hundred to four hundred and thirty CFM.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  A lot of times you'll see the lab data, people are testing their filters at four CFM. So a Kleenex, if you could blow gently enough, could be HEPA. So there's no standard in the reg- HEPA is a standard, but they're not mandating that the airflow is at a certain fan speed. So you'll notice when you look at our lab data, we put the CFM on the lab data because we're testing it at the actual fan speed that Jasper's running. If we test it at one CFM, it's gonna be off the charts. But it's not a real, it's like testing your zero to sixty on your car if the car was off the pavement.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  It's point one.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Speaker 00

  No, you gotta put it on the pavement. That's how we test this thing. So a lot of the marketing claims that you see, if you really look in a layer deeper, and coming from the restoration standpoint, it was like eyes wide open, what's going on here? So really looking, and when people are talking about, how many square foot does your air purifier do? Well, on what, typically, they have these big claims. Then you look at the five print, it's like seven-foot ceilings in an isolated chamber on, on, um, on full speed. Most people are running their air filter at the lowest speed all the time.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:53Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  So you wanna have real-world data. I see what you're saying.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  Real-world data.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  Like, let's, let's, let's test the pollen in the room. Let's run the machine and let's test it again.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:02Speaker 00

  Um, so I really love, as a restoration guy, before, during, and after testing in a real environment, that's the real stuff.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Michael, I'm, I'm, I, I think this is just such an important topic for, for people to really get their arms around. I think it's an important topic for people to also understand that is, you know, as they're on this wellness journey and longevity journey, you know, as they get some disposable income, you know, where are the best places to point it? And I think air, water, and lighting are great places to start in your home because once you make these investments, you don't remake the investment or there's minimal investment thereafter, and they don't add any time, time to your day. And I think that if we just focused on those three things, air, water, and lighting in our homes,

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  made it a sanctuary, um, to improve our sleep, to optimize our health, to not re-toxify us, you know, we're more resilient when we're outside of the home, going through the rest of our daily tasks. So, um, I think my audience is gonna really love this, and I appreciate it.

• 1:04:04Speaker 00

  Just to comment on that one thing there, you know, the eighty-twenty being the air-water lighting, like what's the eighty-twenty of the eighty-twenty? I think it's drinking water. There's a lot you could do in the shower, there's a lot you could do in all your taps and your bathing and all that, but drinking water.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:16Speaker 00

  Dial in drinking water, dial in your sleeping air. So, you know, drinking water and sleeping air, and then having a nice lamp in your common area and a nice dimmed diffused lamp in the bedroom. If we can just deal with your lighting after sunset.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  You're sleeping.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  Especially in your bedroom, yeah.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Sle- your sleeping air and your drinking water. Now we're talking about like really realistic stuff. I just wanna mention one more thing too.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:04:41Speaker 00

  Well, you, you, you talked about the study for the school.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Something that we're gonna be very much open sourcing is we bought a school in Austin.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  You told me about that. That's wild.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  I, I just think it's important for people to know about this. So we're putting in clean air, clean water, good lighting, non-toxic cleaning products, very outdoor-based, you know, we'll have big screens and porches. And we wanna say, if, if in Finland, they got the air quality, the absentee rates down by thirty percent. I believe if we can get the absentee rates down like fifty percent, that's our target. And I'd love to talk to you later, actually, about ways that we can measure it and make it scientifically valid.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Love to do that.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  Because if we can, the public schools, the reason that they have all these truancy laws and they force you to be at high attendance and all that, is because they get paid based on attendance rates. So if we can prove out that we can get the absentee rates down, it's gonna be profitable for the schools to build healthy buildings, clean air, clean water, good lighting, healthier food. If they know that can get the attendance rates up thirty, forty, fifty percent, if you can align to the business incentives.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Fifty percent is a major move on the needle.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Well, thirty, which is there.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 00

  So I wanna make sure that we're scientifically accurate, you know, testing, monitoring the sick symptoms, the attendance rates. Schools are already monitoring attendance really well, but you know, coughs and runny noses and, and stuff like that. Like, we wanna make this undeniable proof. We wanna, we wanna open source it. And then, you know, our school's gonna be quite small in Austin, but everything we do, every product we use, the data, we're gonna open source it all on the website. So ideally, as many schools as possible. And if people are, if you, if you're go, if your kid goes to a private school, I wish we could help public schools, they're very difficult to work with.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  Um, if you email us, we, we give several hundred Jaspers every couple of months away to schools to put into your kids' classrooms.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Ah, that's great.

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  Because we found, once the kids, once, once people's kids start getting, stop getting sick, it becomes undeniable. And then we, we help the school teach about air quality to the parents and everything.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  So our big initiative is getting clean air into schools. So if this resonates with you, great. If not, open your windows, don't wear your shoes inside, get your range head going, get your bathroom fan going. Tell your Uber driver to take out the Christmas tree of death. And unplug the Glade plugins wherever you go. We're looking to build a, a clean air ambassador army. So, you know, thank you so much for, for listening, and I hope this helps you guys out.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  I'm a huge, huge fan of these kinds of biohacks that don't add another minute to your life. And for the rest of you guys, I hope you enjoy the podcast. Until next time, that's just science.