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00:00 Intro
03:10 Joe Rogan in the Early 80s in Boston
05:47 Moving to LA to Pursue Comedy
18:15 Getting into the “Fear Factor” Show
31:32 Dana White in UFC
36:02 The Rise of Pride Fights and MMA
40:00 The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast
45:37 Ancient Human History Findings
57:58 Colossal is Using Gene Sequencing to Restore Extinct Species
1:02:15 Ethics and Recreating Humans
1:08:41 AI Passing the Turing Test
1:15:08 Giving the People a Voice on Joe Rogan’s Podcast (i.e., Donald Trump)
1:21:47 3.3 Million Registered NGOs in India
1:25:05 Gary’s Morning Routine
1:31:38 Where Their Taxes Are Going
1:33:04 Interviewing Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
1:36:10 Conventional Medical System vs. Functional Medical System
1:37:40 Misinformations in Media
1:46:34 Supporting the MAHA Movement
1:53:09 Ability of the Human Body to Regenerate
1:53:52 What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?”
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0:00 Speaker 00 I was really in a bind when I was young because I was like, what am I gonna do with my life? From the time I was 15 till I was 21, all I did was compete.
0:08 Gary Brecka? It was the buddies that you were actually doing martial arts with that pushed you to do the comedy.
0:11 Speaker 00 Yeah. Everybody was like, what are you doing? And then open mic night, I was probably more scared going on stage the first time than anything I'd ever done, including fighting.
0:20 Gary Brecka? Yeah, and it didn't go well.
0:22 Speaker 00 It was terrible. The values that I have for real, not to be supported by a bunch of businesses that are trying to push these things because they're gonna profit. Is it because you really care about people? Or is it because you're reaping massive profit?
0:35 Gary Brecka? That's the whole thing with the Make America Healthy Again movement is not about taking away the freedom of choice. It's about getting some of the corruption, which means there are ways to do this that are just a lot healthier for us.
0:46 Speaker 00 Well, here's what's crazy. They're saying this is gonna kill our business. Bitch, you already make them for other countries that don't have that stuff in it.
0:54 Gary Brecka? That's the craziest thing.
0:55 Speaker 00 And you won't do it for us! The best thing about what you do is like, live by example, talk about what's healthy, and then the more people hear it, and then they start to act upon that, and then they start feeling better. Because the more influence you have in that regard, more people will make healthy choices.
1:10 Gary Brecka? I know there's a lot of influencers out there like yourself. What do you think the it factor is that separates the Joe Rogan podcast from the rest of the media by such a margin?
1:20 Speaker 00 I think what you do and what I do, that's the most important thing.
1:36 Gary Brecka? Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today's podcast is definitely gonna be in between.
1:52 Gary Brecka? Welcoming a UFC commentator, a fighter, a podcaster, a very accomplished comedian, and just an all-around incredible human. Welcome to the podcast, Rogan.
2:04 Speaker 00 Thank you. Pleasure to be here. Thank you.
2:05 Gary Brecka? Been a long time in the making, man. I'm so pumped to sit down with you today.
2:09 Speaker 00 My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
2:10 Gary Brecka? You know, in Austin, Texas, it's like, there's like a real wellness vibe here.
2:15 Speaker 00 Yeah, there certainly is.
2:16 Gary Brecka? I wouldn't have thought 10 years ago that Austin, Texas would be like the home of wellness. I mean, it's the comedy mothership. I mean, there's like a real wellness vibe here. I mean, there's so many restaurants that are like seed oil free and glyphosate free. And I think they've caught the bug here.
2:34 Speaker 00 It's a healthy city. You know, it's been a healthy city for a long time. If you go to Lady Bird Lake, there's always people running and it's a really healthy place. And there's, you know, we started on it here way back in 2010, you know? So there's always been like a fitness. It's a really big jujitsu city too now.
2:52 Gary Brecka? Yeah, but you didn't come until the pandemic, right?
2:55 Speaker 00 Right. I moved here in 2020, in August of 2020.
2:58 Gary Brecka? Which is, you know, that seems even odd to me too, because, you know, that's height of your comedy career. And I would think, you know, being a comedian, the, you know, that vibe seems like New York, LA.
3:10 Speaker 00 Well, they'd shut LA down. That was one of the easiest motivations to move here. They'd shut LA down during the pandemic. And first it was supposed to be two weeks. And then by, by May, you know, so we're talking like March, April, May. But, you know, March, everything shut down. By May, I was already looking to move.
3:28 Gary Brecka? You were?
3:29 Speaker 00 Yeah. I was like, these assholes are never gonna let this go.
3:31 Gary Brecka? Yeah. And they locked down hard there.
3:33 Speaker 00 Yeah, they locked down. They wouldn't even let people do outside shows. They wouldn't let us do outside shows in the parking lot of the Comedy Store. They tried to set up a show outside. It didn't make any sense.
3:43 Gary Brecka? Wow.
3:43 Speaker 00 It wasn't logical. It wasn't reasonable. And the people that were running the government, it was the first time I ever said, oh. It's important who your mayor is. Like, I don't think, I was like, who gives a shit who the mayor is?
3:54 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
3:55 Speaker 00 I never cared.
3:56 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
3:56 Speaker 00 I never even voted for mayor. I was like, eh.
3:58 Gary Brecka? Yeah, the pendulum's flowing way too far. I mean, now you look at the wildfires and just all the nonsense that's happened out there. I mean, it's like an abject failure.
4:06 Speaker 00 Pure madness in LA and they're not gonna course change. They're not gonna course correct.
4:11 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
4:12 Speaker 00 It's gonna, they're gonna ride that thing right into the rocks.
4:14 Gary Brecka? Yeah, and you just wonder how they're gonna pull out of that, because, you know, we were out there week before last and I drove through the Palisades. And it doesn't seem like they've even touched it. I mean, there's nothing.
4:24 Speaker 00 No, they've done very little so far.
4:25 Gary Brecka? It's, it's just, it, it looks like a third world country out there.
4:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:29 Gary Brecka? So you moved here during the pandemic, and was this because of your comedy career? Because you just were like, hey, I need.
4:36 Speaker 00 Well, it was a lot of, there was a lot of factors. My kids were, the youngest kids were 10 and 12 at the time. And I didn't want them growing up in LA already. And it was an opportunity to get out of LA, which I bet, I tried to get out of LA in 2009. When my young, my middle daughter, when she was one, I moved to Colorado for a little bit. But we were in the mountains, way above Boulder, and it's really like very high altitude. And my wife got pregnant while we're up there. And then it's really rough on pregnant women to be like 8,500 feet above sea level. It was, so we had a, we had a bail on that. And then when I went back to LA, but I always had it in my mind that I was gonna escape.
5:19 Gary Brecka? Yeah. You're gonna get out of the taxes and then, and the nonsense.
5:23 Speaker 00 Well, it's not the, I mean, the taxes are one thing, but I would be happy with paying taxes if it made sense. If you guys were doing a great job and if there wasn't tents on every street corner.
5:32 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
5:32 Speaker 00 You know, it was just, it was so crazy.
5:34 Gary Brecka? Yeah, so you, you know, for, for my audience, I want to rewind the clock a little bit. I mean, of course, I think the whole world knows you as, as a podcast host. And obviously they're familiar with your comedy career and your career at UFC.
5:48 Gary Brecka? So I want to take you back to the, the early eighties in Boston. And, and you know, Dana and a lot of people called this the mafia era. Right? And I know you weren't in the mafia, but.
6:00 Speaker 00 I actually trained a guy who was a hitman.
6:02 Gary Brecka? Really? Okay, so.
6:03 Speaker 00 Yeah, when I was doing taekwondo, one of the hitmen for Whitey Bulger.
6:07 Gary Brecka? That's one of the reasons why Dana had to leave that.
6:09 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:09 Gary Brecka? Which is so crazy because you know, you guys came from the same place and your worlds didn't collide for years later.
6:15 Speaker 00 Right.
6:15 Gary Brecka? But I find it really interesting that you guys are so close now and your, your careers are, you know, intertwined and you guys have been really loyal to each other. But you both came from this mafia area, early Boston eighties. But you know, my, my father is a salty old Navy captain, has a definition of life. And he says, life is what happens to you when you're on your way to doing something else. And as I was kind of looking through your background, I feel like that's a really good explanation of what happened to you. You started this martial arts career.
6:45 Gary Brecka? Taekwondo, right? And, and you actually became a taekwondo champion. I think you won the Massachusetts, Massachusetts, what state?
6:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, I won that.
6:54 Gary Brecka? Four years in a row?
6:54 Speaker 00 Four years in a row. I won one of the American opening championships. I came in second in the US Cup in the year that it was the Olympics. So the guy who I, it was a bad decision. I brought, I thought I should have won, but he went on to be the national champion and fight in the Olympics.
7:12 Gary Brecka? Wow. And, and this was taekwondo. And it's like your early martial arts.
7:16 Speaker 00 That was the first thing, and that was also part of the problem is once I started kickboxing, I realized taekwondo is kind of silly.
7:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
7:22 Speaker 00 And then I started doing Muay Thai and then I realized, oh, that's, that's even silly to not have leg kicks. Leg kicks are even more important. Then I started doing jiu jitsu, I'm like, oh my God, it's all silly.
7:32 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
7:32 Speaker 00 Cause as soon as someone grabs you, you're doomed.
7:34 Gary Brecka? What was the inspiration for that? I mean, early UFC, like Hoist Gracie?
7:38 Speaker 00 This was before the early UFC. So I was fighting, my last fight, I think was 89.
7:43 Gary Brecka? Professional fight or?
7:44 Speaker 00 It was amateur. I never fought professionally. But then UFC didn't come along till 93. And, you know, I was already, you know, doing stand-up comedy and I was, at the time, I was just moving to LA. And then I watched a videotape of the UFC on, I became obsessed. I found UFC 2. It came on VHS.
8:08 Gary Brecka? Dude, that's when you could just kick in the face when people are down on all fours. I remember, I actually remember very vividly, somebody's tooth just literally flying out of the ring, going over the octagon. And I remember Hoist Gracie's fights going on for almost 30 minutes.
8:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, he had some long ones.
8:23 Gary Brecka? As he was after some of those fights.
8:24 Speaker 00 I think he had a 90-minute one in Pride.
8:28 Gary Brecka? That's insane. Just no time limit, no rules.
8:31 Speaker 00 Yeah. It was a wild time, you know, where they were trying to sort out. And so when I was a kid, there was all these different arguments about what was the best martial art. You know, the judo guys would tell you judo's the best. Boxers would tell you that's the best. No one really knew until the UFC came along. It was all just theory.
8:49 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
8:49 Speaker 00 And then once Horry and Gracie decided to put together this cage and have, and you know, in the beginning, he wanted to have like a moat around it and have crocodiles.
8:58 Gary Brecka? No, really?
8:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, some crazy ideas.
9:00 Gary Brecka? Really medieval shit?
9:01 Speaker 00 He wanted to make it just completely ridiculous. It'd be obviously for marketing.
9:04 Gary Brecka? Super Gladiator.
9:06 Speaker 00 Yeah, they had some really wild ideas. But until that first UFC came along, no one really knew what was effective. The Gracies knew more than anybody because they had a bunch of challenge fights that they did in Brazil. And they did Valley Tudo events, you know, Hickson had some pretty big fights in Brazil where their big audiences.
9:24 Gary Brecka? And were those fights where they could, they could use Muay Thai or any?
9:28 Speaker 00 They could use anything.
9:29 Gary Brecka? Anything they want.
9:29 Speaker 00 Bare knuckle, you know, yeah.
9:32 Gary Brecka? Because I remember at one time when I, when I was younger, I remember Hoist made a statement. He said, I'm, I'm not afraid of any man. I'll, I'll, I'll fight any man. And I saw him, there was, The Hawaiian dude that had the ponytail.
9:44 Speaker 00 Chemo.
9:44 Gary Brecka? Chemo.
9:45 Speaker 00 Yeah.
9:46 Gary Brecka? Who just looked like an absolute wrecking ball.
9:49 Speaker 00 It was huge.
9:50 Gary Brecka? He was.
9:50 Speaker 00 Two hundred and sixty pounds and the hoist was like one seventy-five at the time.
9:54 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I mean, I still, I still remember those. He was on his back and, and the guard grabbing his. Grab this.
10:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
10:00 Gary Brecka? You could grab it back then. You can't do it in the UFC now.
10:03 Speaker 00 Grab hair, you could punch in the balls. It was crazy.
10:05 Gary Brecka? Yeah, you could kick in the face on the ground. So, so this brutal sports, you know, emerging and, you know, you're, you're working your way through your martial arts career, but at some point, I think you knew because of your upbringing, you didn't want to be in the construction business. Your dad was an architect, right? And, and you, you sort of grew up before you got into martial arts on construction sites.
10:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
10:30 Gary Brecka? And, and I had a similar upbringing. I actually grew up on a, on a tobacco farm. My, my parents, when I was young, and I hated it, and now all I want to do is get back. So they bought twelve acres in the middle of this, like three hundred acre tobacco farm. And then they leased the land back to a farmer for a dollar and they, and he grew tobacco. So my whole life growing up until I went off to college, I was, I was cutting tobacco.
10:53 Speaker 00 Where was this?
10:53 Gary Brecka? And this is in Southern Maryland.
10:55 Speaker 00 Oh, wow.
10:55 Gary Brecka? Upper Marlboro, right outside of PG County. Yeah, most people don't realize it's a big tobacco country there.
11:00 Speaker 00 Wow, I had no idea.
11:02 Gary Brecka? And it's, it's, if you've never seen tobacco get cut, it's the hardest manual labor you'll ever do. It's absolutely brutal.
11:09 Speaker 00 Really? Why? Why is it so brutal?
11:10 Gary Brecka? Because you, you cut tobacco in, in August by hand. So imagine a field like as far as you can see, just rows and rows of these six foot tall tobacco plants. Five of these plants weigh, weigh about sixty pounds. And you gotta push the plant over and cut it with a machete, push it over, cut it with a machete, push it over, cut it with a machete. And you walk from one end of this field to the other end of the field and you turn around and come back. It's just brutally monotonous and it's hot. And it, and the gum gets, you have to shave your arms. You have to wear long sleeves so the tobacco juice doesn't get on.
11:41 Speaker 00 Oh, wow. Did you get a nicotine high from like your skin?
11:46 Gary Brecka? You know, I don't think so. I never, I never chewed tobacco or dipped tobacco like all my buddies that like dipped tobacco. And now that I know it was in that shit with the glass and everything to cut your lips.
11:58 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, like skull?
11:59 Gary Brecka? Yeah. It's like when I went back to my 30 year high school reunion, I felt like I was on a different planet. I was like, man, these people look like aliens. I'm so, I'm so glad I found biohacking, you know? I remember there's one kid, if you're still alive, Ike, I hope you're watching. His name was Ike Morland. And he owned, I don't even know why I'm going down this road, but I just had a childhood memory come back. And I saw him at my high school reunion and I'm like, this kid beat me up in the eighth grade. You know, I remember you telling the story about being put in a headlock and I think it was in high school and, and somebody wrenched you to the ground and he pulled back to punch you in the face. And for some reason, he actually decided not to hit you.
12:37 Speaker 00 Yeah, he was so, he felt sorry for me. He decided not to beat me up.
12:41 Gary Brecka? But at that moment, you realized I'm so fricking helpless. I gotta do something about this.
12:45 Speaker 00 That's when I started wrestling.
12:46 Gary Brecka? Yeah. So I wanted to run it again at, at, at 50 years old with Ike Morland, but no.
12:54 Gary Brecka? I'm like, I held on to that grudge. I was 14, dude. I'm, I'm coming back for, for, for payback. But, but I just, I, I very much identify with not wanting to do the structured kind of labor as a, as a long-term career.
13:11 Speaker 00 Well, I also didn't want to have an office job. I was really in a bind. And that was a real dilemma for me when I was young because I was like, what am I going to do with my life? I had to find something unconventional. I had just too much energy to sit down, which I didn't know at the time. That's a good thing. Like I just needed to find something else, but no one would ever guide you saying, oh, you should be a comedian or you should be something else.
13:36 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
13:36 Speaker 00 You know, it was always like you have one path and that is to get a job.
13:41 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
13:41 Speaker 00 And, and Boston was a very blue collar town. It was a very hardworking town and they, they really respected if you worked hard.
13:50 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
13:50 Speaker 00 And if you didn't, you were lazy, you were shunned, you know, and that's just.
13:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah. Not a lot of role models that had broken out of the matrix. Like, you know,
13:56 Speaker 00 None.
13:57 Gary Brecka? Gone and.
13:57 Speaker 00 No.
13:58 Gary Brecka? To look up to.
13:59 Speaker 00 No, they looked at you like you were an alien. Like, what are you trying to do? It just like teaching martial arts at least was kind of respectable. It kind of made sense.
14:07 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
14:07 Speaker 00 Like, oh, I get it. He's teaching martial arts. So that's what I did. For until I was 21 and then when I started doing stand up comedy, I realized like I've got to pick a path. I can't be doing to I can't have one foot in each world.
14:20 Gary Brecka? Right.
14:20 Speaker 00 And, you know, I've realized.
14:22 Gary Brecka? It was your, it was your, um, it was the buddies that you were actually doing martial arts with that pushed you to do comedy.
14:26 Speaker 00 Yeah.
14:26 Gary Brecka? Right?
14:27 Speaker 00 Yeah, I was the guys that I was.
14:28 Gary Brecka? Cause you're the funny guy in the locker room before fights, like trying to take the tension off.
14:32 Speaker 00 We would go to tournaments and everybody would be so scared. It was like, there was so much anxiety and, you know, fear in the air that I would have to cut the night. I would have to cut it, you know, I'd be the guy that would be cracking everybody up, try to break the tension.
14:46 Gary Brecka? But I think there's a big difference between chopping it up with your boys and walking on stage in front of an audience.
14:51 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's what I thought too. Yeah, that was my thought. Like you guys think I'm funny because you're all a bunch of psychopaths.
14:57 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
15:00 Gary Brecka? Was it like a sobering moment going up on that stage for the first time and going, shit, I gotta, I gotta say, I gotta say something.
15:07 Speaker 00 Well, I thought about it for a long time because I waited until I was 21 to get into a bar. Cause you know, that was the age that you could get into a bar. So I, I didn't think I could do, they actually let some people in before they're 21. Uh, you just have to get like an exemption from the club. They have to make sure that you don't drink, but I didn't know that. So I had about six months where I was contemplating it, where I wrote material down and, you know, and tried it out on my friends and thought about doing it. And they're all like, what are you doing? Like everybody was like, what are you doing? And then, uh, open mic night, I was probably more scared going on stage the first time than anything I'd ever done, including fighting. And I remember thinking, boy, this doesn't make any sense. Like I'd probably fought a hundred times by then.
15:51 Speaker 00 And I was like, this is so weird that I'm, cause from the time I was 15 till I was 21, all I did was compete. I traveled all over the country. I fought almost every weekend or every other weekend, once a month for sure. I was always competing and you're fighting multiple times in a day.
16:08 Gary Brecka? Wow.
16:08 Speaker 00 And I wasn't scared of that. Like I was scared of that, but not like I was a stand up. Stand up, I was fucking petrified.
16:14 Gary Brecka? Yeah. And it didn't go well like the first one.
16:16 Speaker 00 I was terrible.
16:19 Gary Brecka? So that's like even reinforces the fear.
16:21 Speaker 00 But nobody was doing well. That was the other thing. It was like, everybody bombs on open mic night, which is the good thing because he realized like, as bad as you are, like, at least I'm not as bad as that guy.
16:31 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, he really bombed.
16:33 Speaker 00 It's like, you're just trying to get a couple chuckles, you know, and then if you got, if I got a couple chuckles, but I was like, I think I can do this. And then the second time I went on stage, I actually got laughs, because I was more comfortable. I was less scared, and I was more loose. And then I bombed the third time. And then, you know, it takes a while. You have to figure it out.
16:52 Gary Brecka? Yeah, because this is, um, I mean, the, the, the big move to LA was for comedy.
16:58 Speaker 00 Well, I only moved to LA because I got a development deal. I was living in New York at the time, and I was doing stand-up, and I got on something called the MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour. And, uh,
17:10 Gary Brecka? Right on.
17:11 Speaker 00 You do like 10 minutes or something like that, and there was a bunch of comedians, and it went really well. And I got a development deal, which is some weird thing where they give you a pile of money. Like, for the first time in my life, I think it was $150,000.
17:24 Gary Brecka? Wow.
17:25 Speaker 00 I had money. I was like, this is crazy. I have money. And, um, and then they wanted me to do a sitcom for this development deal. So, okay. So then I came out to LA, I did this sitcom, and, um, I didn't even like doing it. I hated it. And I wanted to go back to New York, but I had got a lease on an apartment. So I'm like, well, I gotta stay out here a year. And then, uh, after that show got canceled, um, I was still there because of my lease. And then I got another development deal to do this thing at NBC, and that turned out to be how I got news radio. So that was with Bill Hartman, Andy Dick, and all those super talented people. And I did that for five years, and then Fear Factor. It's just like, and all the while, I was still doing stand-up
18:08 Speaker 00 at the Comedy Store, and, but it was, uh, I didn't come out to LA for anything other than money.
18:16 Speaker 00 It was just, I couldn't believe that you could get $25,000 for a week of work. I'm like, this is crazy.
18:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah, this is crazy. And so when you're out there, you, I remember you talking about fear factors being like something you thought would never take off.
18:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, I did it.
18:32 Gary Brecka? You're like, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
18:35 Speaker 00 I'm like, we're gonna stick dogs on people and make them eat dicks. I'm in.
18:40 Speaker 00 All I was thinking, like, this is gonna be great material. I'm gonna have some great material out of this.
18:44 Gary Brecka? I love the show. What finally blew it up. They did some stunt that was like inappropriate, but I forget what it was.
18:50 Speaker 00 Well, that was the second time we did it. So we did it for six years. So we did 148 episodes for six years. Then we came back again, I think it was 2011, cuz my youngest daughter was one at the time. And that was six episodes. And then they made them drink donkey come.
19:13 Speaker 00 They had to play horseshoes to see how much donkey come you had to drink. And there's only been two times when I did that show where I told the producers, hey, man, you can't do this.
19:23 Gary Brecka? This is like.
19:24 Speaker 00 And that was one of them.
19:24 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I mean, first of all, the first thing that comes to mind, obviously, is how do you get donkey come?
19:29 Speaker 00 Yeah, well, you actually use a cattle prod and you, you stick it up the donkey's butt and then wee, you shock their prostate and they just bust. And then you collect it and then you get some poor kid who's got credit card debt and that kid is on Fear Factor to try to pay off his credit card debt generally.
19:54 Gary Brecka? Dude, I gotta, I wanna be like, I wanna be a fly on the room, I mean, on the wall in the producer's room.
19:59 Speaker 00 It was a fun room.
20:00 Gary Brecka? I got, I got a great idea, guys. Okay, we're gonna take a cattle prod up a donkey's ass.
20:06 Speaker 00 The second time we did it, we came back. So we stopped doing it in 2007 and it didn't even really get canceled. I mean, I guess it got canceled cuz they never did it again, but it would just, they just stopped doing it. We did so many of them, it was just, everyone was worn out. We, like I said, we did 148 episodes in six years. And then they waited like five years and then I get this phone call, do you wanna do Fear Factor again? I was like, oh, my God. Are you guys serious? And then I went in to meet with them, it's gonna be better than ever and this and that and only you can host it and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, my kids were young at the time. I was like, I probably could use this money. All right, let's do it. And again, I was like, this time I was right.
20:51 Speaker 00 I was like, this is not gonna last. And I was correct that time, because they were going way too far the second time, because they were trying to make it bigger and crazier than ever. I'm like, someone's gonna get hurt. Luckily, no one really did. But the other time that I said, don't do it, other than the donkey jizz, was they had to ride bulls. When they had to ride bulls, I was like, don't do this.
21:13 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, somebody's gonna really get hurt.
21:14 Speaker 00 This is so funny.
21:15 Gary Brecka? Did they do that episode?
21:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, they did that episode.
21:17 Gary Brecka? Really?
21:17 Speaker 00 We just got lucky that no one got hurt.
21:19 Gary Brecka? Yeah. I mean, you can get really jacked up.
21:22 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, these are real bulls too, man.
21:24 Gary Brecka? And nobody knew what they were doing riding a bull?
21:25 Speaker 00 No, no. They'd say, hold on. Okay.
21:31 Speaker 00 Like, that was the height of reality TV in, you know,
21:34 Gary Brecka? Yeah, it was the genesis of it, really.
21:36 Speaker 00 So Survivor was the big one, right? So Survivor happened first, and everybody was all into these reality shows. And there was a show called Now or Neverland that was in Holland. And NBC purchased that, or End them all, purchased that show, and then brought it to America and changed the name to Fear Factor.
21:55 Gary Brecka? Wow. So what time does the early commentating for the UFC?
22:01 Speaker 00 Ninety-seven. I started where, yeah, before Fear Factor, while I was on news radio, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the producers of the UFC, was good friends with my manager, Jeff. And they were just having a conversation about how they needed a new post-fight interviewer, because they got rid of the guy they had. And Jeff was like, Joe loves the UFC. And I was like,
22:29 Speaker 00 first I was, you know, I, you know, I watched it. You couldn't even get it on cable TV. It was banned from cable. So you had to get DirecTV to get it, because they, like Budweiser and John McCain, they were doing some shady shit to ban it. They were calling it human cockfighting. And, They contacted me and said, we need someone to be a post-fight interview. And I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's do it.
22:53 Gary Brecka? Let's do it.
22:54 Speaker 00 And then I went to Dothan, Alabama. We were supposed to do it in, I think it was Albany, New York. Albany or Buffalo.
23:00 Gary Brecka? Cause it wasn't sanctioned, right? I mean, obviously.
23:01 Speaker 00 No, it was also, it was New York State banned it, like right before we did it. So we got sent down, they, they had a backup plan. The backup plan was Alabama. So we went to this place in Dothan, Alabama. That was UFC 12.
23:16 Gary Brecka? Oh my god.
23:17 Speaker 00 1997. And I did that for about two years. But it was actually, at the time, it was actually costing me money. Because I would do the UFC and I couldn't do comedy that weekend. And so I was making more money doing comedy, but I really loved doing it. But I was like, this is not going anywhere. And it wasn't getting anywhere as far as cable. Like, they were really banned.
23:40 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
23:40 Speaker 00 And then what happened was, uh, the Fertitta brothers and Dana came along and purchased it in 2001.
23:49 Gary Brecka? And what UFC was that, right?
23:52 Speaker 00 Well, I came back, UFC 37 and a half was the first time I did commentary. Before that, I was just doing post-fight interviews. And what happened was, that was 2001. And, uh, it was, uh, they were on Fox Sports for the first time. It was like, uh, the best damn sports show period. Remember that show?
24:13 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
24:15 Speaker 00 They had, uh, uh, an episode that they did where they, they did the UFC on Fox. And it was like a big thing to have it on Fox Sports.
24:25 Gary Brecka? Yeah, but it was sanctioned then?
24:27 Speaker 00 It was sanctioned in Vegas.
24:29 Gary Brecka? Ah, okay.
24:29 Speaker 00 So what happened was, you know, the Fertittas were very wealthy. And one of the things my friend Eddie Bravo and I, we'd always said was, you know what the sport needs? Like, we love the sport. What the sport needs is someone to come along that has a ton of money. That just can throw a bunch of money at it and then just show the world how great it is. And then it'll just become successful. And that's what happened. Like, the Fertittas came along, these billionaire guys who love the sport and were training in the sport. And Dana, and they just came along and put it together. And Dana and I became friends because... He was, you know, like inviting celebrities to come. And this is when I was hosting Fear Factor and it was the number one show in the world. And he was like, why don't you come and, and see the fights?
25:14 Speaker 00 I'd be like, I'd love to. When are you having them? It's in Vegas. Then he and I would get together and I'd go, what about this fight? Do you know about this guy? Have you ever watched these guys fight in Japan? Do you know about Pride? Do you know about Fedor Emelianenko? Have you ever, you ever seen all these? And I was like naming all these different fighters and he, and then he saw, he found a tape somewhere of me on the Keen and Ivory Wayne Show, making fun of like Steven Seagal or something like that and talking about the UFC. Yeah. And then he goes, would you, will you do commentary? And I'm like, I don't want to work, man. I go, I just want to come and watch the fights. Honestly, I don't, because I was like, I had already done that before. Yeah. It was too much of a pain in the ass. And it wasn't in your pockets either. It wasn't.
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27:40 Speaker 00 So I did, I did it for what, just for Dana, because we're friends. And then I want to still, I kept doing them and I did like the first like 13 or 14 of them I did for free.
27:50 Gary Brecka? After they bought it?
27:51 Speaker 00 Yeah, I just, I said, okay, let's just get, get, get me plane flights and get my friends tickets and I'll do it.
27:58 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
27:58 Speaker 00 And so I did a bunch of, because they were hemorrhaging money.
28:01 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
28:01 Speaker 00 And you know, I was friends with Dana, so he was telling me how much money they were losing. I'm like, oh, Jesus. So by the time the UFC took off in 2005, they were in the hole. So I'd been working for them for four years at the time. They were in the hole, $40 million.
28:14 Gary Brecka? Wow.
28:15 Speaker 00 Yeah. And this was this one thing where they did the ultimate fighter. They go, look, we're gonna put together a reality show. They couldn't get it aired. They could, they had to pay for all the sponsors. They had a, they had a bankroll the entire show.
28:28 Gary Brecka? Wow.
28:29 Speaker 00 And they said, this is it. This is the, we're gonna get one shot. And if this doesn't work, we're fucked.
28:34 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
28:34 Speaker 00 It worked. And, and Forrest Griffin versus Stefan Bonner.
28:37 Gary Brecka? I remember that fight.
28:39 Speaker 00 Fight. It was so crazy that the whole world started tuning in.
28:44 Gary Brecka? I remember he gave him both contracts at the end of the fight. I remember.
28:46 Speaker 00 So close. It was such a close fight. It was a perfect fight to introduce people to the UFC. And then, uh, next thing you know, it became huge.
28:54 Gary Brecka? Yeah. And, and you know, back then it was like, nobody was a full-time UFC fighter. They're like,
28:59 Speaker 00 Right.
29:00 Gary Brecka? It's Rich Franklin, a history teacher from.
29:02 Speaker 00 Math teacher.
29:03 Gary Brecka? Or math teacher. And you're like, what? And this guy was a cop, a firefighter. This guy was.
29:09 Speaker 00 Yeah, there was no full-time fighters at the time. Well, there's probably a few that figured it out. I think Frank Shamrock was full-time. There's a few guys that were like legitimately full-time. But it was a hard way to make a living and you know, it was like human cockfighting. Nobody respected it. It was like. You know, when I would tell my friends, when I was working on news radio and I would tell my friends that I was going to do these UFC events, like, why are you doing that? Like, you shouldn't be associated with that. It was almost like you're doing snuff films or something.
29:38 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
29:39 Speaker 00 Why are you connecting yourself to something so shady?
29:42 Gary Brecka? And then it just became the fastest growing sports in the world. I think it still is.
29:47 Speaker 00 It's probably, it's, well, it's absolutely huge.
29:50 Gary Brecka? I read something about the opening in Asia and that it returned it to the fastest growing sport in the world.
29:54 Speaker 00 So that was 20 years ago. So 20 years ago, it popped.
29:58 Gary Brecka? Wow. And then you just never stopped?
30:00 Speaker 00 No.
30:01 Gary Brecka? And, and, you know, there's, there's rumors that, you know, you and Dana have been so loyal to each other that your, your contract in the UFC was if one goes, you both go.
30:12 Speaker 00 That's mine. Yeah. If they get rid of him, yeah, I'm gone.
30:17 Gary Brecka? Wow. That's, you know, I find Dana to be one of the most loyal human beings in the world. He's done a lot for my career.
30:24 Speaker 00 He's an awesome dude. I love him to death. He's just a great guy and the perfect guy to be at the head of such a chaotic sport. Cause the sport is so crazy. It's like you need a maniac at the helm.
30:36 Gary Brecka? And you also need somebody whose compass doesn't, doesn't shift. I mean, you see all these reporters trying to knock him off track all the time and he just puts him right back in check.
30:44 Speaker 00 Well, he doesn't give a fuck. He really doesn't. He has real fuck you money and I've always said, if you have fuck you money, you don't say fuck you, you're wasting all that fuck you money. You know, cause it's the only, the only reason to have it is to be able to do whatever you actually want. And the guy loves fights. He and I will have conversations where I'll call him up like one o'clock in the morning and we'll have like a fight talk for like two hours.
31:06 Gary Brecka? Really?
31:07 Speaker 00 Yeah, all the time.
31:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah, he, he actually just loves the sport.
31:10 Speaker 00 Loves it. Loves it.
31:11 Gary Brecka? And he, and he knows the sport.
31:12 Speaker 00 He loves it.
31:13 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
31:13 Speaker 00 But he only watches the UFC. So I'm always telling him about all these guys that are fighting in Japan. This guy's fighting in Russia. Pay attention to this guy.
31:20 Gary Brecka? And was that a big part of what helped build the UFC? Cause you started grabbing people from like pride leagues and.
31:25 Speaker 00 Well, they purchased Pride. That was the big thing is the UFC came along and purchased Pride, but they got screwed because really they just bought a tape library. You know, they thought they were buying all the fighters and the contracts, but all the contracts were invalid. So then they had to like restructure everything. So that's why they never got Fedor.
31:43 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
31:44 Speaker 00 Um, but you know, they put out.
31:48 Speaker 00 An amazing product and Japan was putting on like when they were doing Pride, Japan had 80,000 people showing up at these arenas when the UFC was in relative obscurity. It was massive in Japan. I mean, absolutely massive.
32:03 Gary Brecka? The Pride fight.
32:04 Speaker 00 Yeah. And to this day, they're some of the greatest fights of all time. You go watch the glory days of MMA and Pride and this, not only did they have like soccer kicks and stomps on the ground, they also had no steroid testing at all. So everybody was sauce to the gills.
32:18 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
32:19 Speaker 00 And they looked it. It was a great product.
32:21 Gary Brecka? Who was the big Hawaiian that just had that crazy overhand? Um, can't think of his name. He looks like the dude that's in Slap. I can't think of his name, but I just remember he had these insane, there's so many like crazy characters that came out of that, like Tank Abbott and like all these just
32:38 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
32:38 Gary Brecka? Crazy, bigger than life characters. I remember there was this one Greco-Roman wrestler with the mustache that used to just
32:46 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. Dan Severn.
32:48 Gary Brecka? Yeah, Dan Severn.
32:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
32:50 Gary Brecka? I mean, he looked like he was 50 years old and he just
32:53 Speaker 00 Well, Dan fought into his 50s.
32:55 Gary Brecka? That's what I mean. He was like
32:56 Speaker 00 He did. He fought into his 50s.
32:57 Gary Brecka? Like the scariest dad ever. Um, he had this big bushy hair and he had this handlebar mustache and he was kind of like super stoic, like, like Fedor Emelianenko, you know, he just kind of looked like he was bored to be there.
33:11 Speaker 00 And there's Don Fry. He had another great mustache. He was another one.
33:13 Gary Brecka? Oh, I remember Don Fry too.
33:14 Speaker 00 He fought in Pride as well. He had some amazing fights in Pride.
33:17 Gary Brecka? Yeah. But, um, and then that Greco-Roman wrestling stuff was wild. The pick up, the reverse body slams and he was just picking up
33:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, Greco was a particularly good wrestling style for MMA because it was a lot of clinch based work. And when you're up against the cage, a guy who's really good at upper body clinches and controlling up like Randy Couture, he was a Greco guy as well.
33:38 Gary Brecka? Amazing.
33:39 Speaker 00 Yeah. So was, um, um, Dan Henderson was Greco. Like a lot of these guys. I mean, they all had a background in everything. They could do all kinds of wrestling, but
33:47 Gary Brecka? Yeah, Randy fought pretty late, too. He was in his late 40s. I actually remember his tooth flying out of the ring, too.
33:53 Speaker 00 Yes.
33:53 Gary Brecka? Um, who was the?
33:54 Speaker 00 The Ota Machida. He caught him with a jumping front kick.
33:57 Gary Brecka? Front kick. I'll never forget that.
33:59 Speaker 00 I think that was in Montreal. Yeah.
34:00 Gary Brecka? Mouthpiece.
34:01 Speaker 00 That was the, it was in Toronto? Maybe it was in Toronto. There was an enormous event we did that was like 60,000 people up there.
34:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
34:08 Speaker 00 I'm pretty sure it was Toronto.
34:09 Gary Brecka? And you think like images like that helped it or hurt it? I think it's, it's kind of like slap. You can't turn away.
34:14 Speaker 00 Well.
34:15 Gary Brecka? Just brought.
34:16 Speaker 00 Other than, except it was a fight where we're slapped to me. Slap's not my thing.
34:21 Gary Brecka? No.
34:22 Speaker 00 But the, just standing there and letting a guy smack in the face is.
34:25 Gary Brecka? While you hold a foam roller behind your back.
34:27 Speaker 00 I will watch it.
34:28 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
34:29 Speaker 00 I'll watch it, but it's, I, I really prefer actual fights.
34:33 Gary Brecka? You know, and if you, if you flinch, don't you get slapped again?
34:36 Speaker 00 Do you?
34:37 Gary Brecka? I think you get, I think you get slapped again if you flinch.
34:39 Speaker 00 Why do they put the powder in their hand?
34:41 Gary Brecka? I think you're supposed to see the whole, like, I think you had to see the whole handprint. So you're not like just hit palm striking or heel striking. There are some rules, like, oh, feet have to stay on the ground.
34:51 Speaker 00 They have drug tests. Which to me is hilarious. Like, drug those people up.
34:55 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
34:56 Speaker 00 Why are they sober?
34:57 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
34:57 Speaker 00 If you're getting slapped, you should be on meth.
34:59 Gary Brecka? I think, I think like, first of all, that's not a coin toss you want to lose.
35:04 Speaker 00 Right.
35:04 Gary Brecka? I, I would always want to go first.
35:06 Speaker 00 A hundred percent. It doesn't make any sense.
35:08 Gary Brecka? That's part of the strategy.
35:09 Speaker 00 Part of the problem. It's like you have to be really good at coin tossing.
35:13 Gary Brecka? My, my, my, my kids, um, Cole and Dylan used to play this game when they were growing up. And it was something like, if, if I went to hit you and you flinched, I got a free punch.
35:22 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
35:22 Gary Brecka? Kind of slaps like, kind of like that.
35:24 Speaker 00 Yeah. A lot of kids did that when I was young. Yeah. Two for flinching.
35:29 Gary Brecka? Yeah. Two for flinching. That's what it was like. They draw back and if you flinched, they got two shots. And now they made a sport out of it, which I guess is perfect for social media. Cause it's like,
35:38 Speaker 00 It is.
35:39 Gary Brecka? The, the viral clips of just people.
35:41 Speaker 00 Perfect sport for TikTok. I say sport with air quotes.
35:45 Gary Brecka? Yeah. Um, and then the chicks doing it too. It just freaks me out.
35:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
35:49 Gary Brecka? Now, I actually read some science on.
35:52 Speaker 00 Brain damage?
35:53 Gary Brecka? Well, I've read a lot of science on brain damage, but there are literally some science to having a beard.
35:59 Speaker 00 What?
35:59 Gary Brecka? Do you know that? There is, there's like.
36:01 Speaker 00 Cushioning?
36:02 Gary Brecka? It's like, you know, the, this friction coefficient and slightly decelerating the blow.
36:07 Speaker 00 If Alex Pereira punches you in your beard, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what your beard looks like.
36:12 Gary Brecka? But I'd have a big old Santa Claus beard if I was going in there. There's a big Hawaiian heavyweight that has a big old beard.
36:19 Speaker 00 Yeah. Did you see Josh Emmett fought this past weekend? He has an enormous beard, like big crazy one.
36:23 Gary Brecka? How'd he do?
36:24 Speaker 00 He lost.
36:25 Gary Brecka? Okay.
36:25 Speaker 00 It was a good fight though.
36:26 Gary Brecka? There goes the beard theory of uh.
36:28 Speaker 00 It was a good fight.
36:28 Gary Brecka? Beard theory of fighting is now out the window.
36:30 Speaker 00 Yeah.
36:31 Gary Brecka? There's, I mean, there has been some, some, some crazy beard. So now you're, you're, you're common, you know, you're doing commentary for the UFC. And at some point, you, you decided to get into the podcast world. And what I found really fascinating was, you know, initial podcasts, I think you guys had like 200 listeners.
36:50 Speaker 00 Maybe.
36:50 Gary Brecka? And I went back and watched an old podcast with like Eddie Bravo. And you're pretty rusty back then.
36:59 Speaker 00 I was terrible.
37:00 Gary Brecka? It was like.
37:00 Speaker 00 Well, it's good for anybody who's like intimidated.
37:03 Gary Brecka? And then you didn't really know what to say.
37:05 Speaker 00 If anybody's intimidated by podcasts, then go back, watch my early ones. They're terrible.
37:09 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
37:09 Speaker 00 It's like anything else. You, you do it, you get better at it.
37:12 Gary Brecka? Yeah. I mean, but what made you stick with that versus sticking with comedy, sticking with?
37:17 Speaker 00 Uh, I enjoyed it.
37:18 Gary Brecka? What made you like, because the point that I'm trying to get to is like you embrace the suck.
37:25 Speaker 00 Yeah.
37:26 Gary Brecka? You know, I mean.
37:26 Speaker 00 It didn't suck though. I enjoyed it. I just thought it would be fun to have like a little internet radio show and talk to my friends. It was not a career move by any stretch of the imagination. It was just fun. Like I, I always loved doing like the Opie and Anthony show and Howard Stern show. I'd love doing radio shows. It's fun to be able to hang out with other comedians and talk shit and joke around.
37:49 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
37:49 Speaker 00 So I just decided to start doing it online. You know, I'd been on, Tom Green had his little internet show that he did from his living room. I was like, this is fascinating. Like you gotta figure, this could be the future.
38:00 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
38:00 Speaker 00 But I didn't really think of it as a career move. I just did it for fun. And then slowly but surely it started getting bigger. It was just a matter of just the process, just continuing.
38:11 Gary Brecka? I think you were one of the early movers to start putting long form content on YouTube.
38:15 Speaker 00 Yeah.
38:15 Gary Brecka? Like that was a strange thing to think that people would go to YouTube and watch a 45 minute video.
38:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
38:22 Gary Brecka? You know?
38:22 Speaker 00 Well, they're three hours.
38:24 Gary Brecka? Yeah, three hours even, even, even. I mean, that's long.
38:26 Speaker 00 But that's just because I didn't care. Like I didn't like.
38:29 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
38:29 Speaker 00 My friend Ari, one of my best friends, Ari Shapiro. He, he was like, you gotta edit your show. I go, why? He's like, no one's gonna listen to three hours. I go, then they don't have to listen.
38:38 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
38:39 Speaker 00 Listen.
38:39 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
38:40 Speaker 00 He's like, it'd be better if it was like an hour, less than an hour, 45 minutes. I was like, why? I go, I, I'll listen to a three hour show.
38:47 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
38:48 Speaker 00 If it's interesting.
38:49 Gary Brecka? And then people started listening.
38:50 Speaker 00 So I just didn't listen.
38:51 Gary Brecka? And then it started growing.
38:52 Speaker 00 I just kept doing it and it slowly but surely it got big.
38:57 Gary Brecka? And now that it's, you know, to the status of where it is, I mean, um, you know, billion downloads, views in a year, that is mind numbing.
39:08 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
39:09 Gary Brecka? It's so crazy. And I mean, even you've got to be just mind blown by that, that the message is resonating like that.
39:15 Speaker 00 Honestly, I don't think about it very much. I know that sounds crazy. But I really don't. I just do it. I do it and then once I'm, once it's done, I think about it as little as possible, just for sanity's sake.
39:27 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
39:28 Speaker 00 I just like.
39:29 Gary Brecka? Yeah, we were talking about it before the podcast. You can't get reading down into the comments.
39:32 Speaker 00 Don't read the comments.
39:33 Gary Brecka? Never read the comments.
39:33 Speaker 00 Don't pay attention too much to what other people want you to do or what they think. Just you gotta know if you're doing a good job. So you have to be able to be very good at self auditing, regulate yourself, figure it out yourself. But you can't listen to other people. You'll become a product of other people's expectations.
39:51 Gary Brecka? What do you think the it factor is that separates the Joe Rogan podcast from the rest of the media by such a margin?
40:01 Speaker 00 I don't think about it. Maybe that's what it is.
40:04 Gary Brecka? Maybe that's it. No, maybe that's it, dude. You're like, I'm just gonna ask what I wanna ask. I'm gonna say what I wanna say.
40:09 Speaker 00 I have genuine curiosity. Everybody that I put on the show is, the only reason they're on the show is because I wanna talk to them. That's the only reason. I never say, ooh, that one's gonna get a lot of views. Ooh, this one would be controversial. I know people think I think that way, but I genuinely don't. I go, what is this guy doing? He thinks the pyramid's a power plant? Let's talk.
40:28 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
40:29 Speaker 00 Like, what is, this guy says he back engineered a UFO. Fuck yeah.
40:32 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah.
40:34 Speaker 00 Let's talk.
40:34 Gary Brecka? I'm way down the rabbit hole of the pyramids. Uh, my wife Sage and I are going to Egypt on, on the 19th.
40:40 Speaker 00 Have you seen these new radar images?
40:42 Gary Brecka? I have and I'm like.
40:43 Speaker 00 I just talked to Graham Hancock about it this morning. And it's legit? Oh, he thinks it's very legit. Um, you know, there's an issue. And my friend, uh, Jimmy Corsetti, who runs a great YouTube show, it's called Bright Insight. It's a really good show on ancient history. Um, he's skeptical because there's a water table that's underneath the Great Pyramid. That's been there for more than a million years. Hmm. But if this is, this construction is built through the water table, then it's even more impressive. Whatever it is, like, Wow. Let's imagine that these pillars that are supposed to be thousands of feet deep into the ground with coils around them. Like, what is that? Like, these radar images are super consistent. They have multiple images now.
41:29 Speaker 00 The science is pretty sound of whatever they're saying now. Whether it's some sort of an anomaly, whether it's some sort of, uh, hallucination. Geographic anomaly. No, I don't think it's even, I mean, image anomaly. Like, there's something that's throwing it off. Like, there's all these different, um, methods they're using to detect these things. I, I, I'm too stupid to really understand it. But if it is legit and it's going, like, just to have those columns that go down to, if it's going down thousands of feet into the ground, and then the whole thing, I, I think the entire structure is two kilometers deep. That's insane. Insane. So if you have the technology to do that, you, you might have the technology to do that through water,
42:12 Speaker 00 which is even more crazy. So then you have a higher level of techno- technological proficiency. I just don't know. What I do know is they're the most massive mystery in, in terms of human construction or construction by somebody. Hmm. Something that you can't explain. Two million, three hundred thousand stones, some of them weighing upwards of eighty tons, that were brought five hundred miles away through the mountains. With incredible precision and just the mathematics involved, the planning, the fact that if you're off a millimeter on each of these stones, by the time you get up to the top, you're fucked. It's not going to be a pyramid.
42:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
42:53 Speaker 00 Like you have to have incredible precision. It's true north, south, east and west, each corner. The whole thing's crazy.
43:00 Gary Brecka? It is. It's mind numbing. And I think that what we did was we applied conventional engineering to try to solve for the problem. And it's so far outside of the box that like we can't conceive it. Which then brings in the whole alien thing, but.
43:14 Speaker 00 Not just alien thing. It really brings in ancient human history. Because I'm of the belief, I'm in the school of thought of Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and Jimmy Corsetti and a lot of these people that believe that there was a reset of human civilization. And that somewhere around 11,800 years ago, we were probably hit with a massive comet storm. There's a lot of evidence that that's called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.
43:42 Gary Brecka? Wow.
43:42 Speaker 00 There's physical evidence in the form of iridium, which is very common in space, but very rare on earth is a layer of iridium in many parts of the earth. And then there's also these micro glass particles. It's like nuclear glass. It's called tritanite, named after the Trinity explosion or trinitite, named after the Trinity explosion, because when they first detonated the bomb, it's one of the things they found is these micro glass particles from just the insane amount of energy generated by that bomb.
44:11 Gary Brecka? What it actually changed the physi-
44:13 Speaker 00 Turned into glass.
44:14 Gary Brecka? Wow.
44:15 Speaker 00 And so they find these, these micro glass particles all over the earth at this same level of sediment. So when they do these core samples of earth, when they get down to 11,800 years, they find it all over the earth. So massive parts of the earth were probably hit. It probably caused the end of the ice age in, on North America. And it probably caused the, all the water erosion features that you see all over, all over North America that are like incredibly profound, that seem to have happened very quickly. This is according to Randall Carlson, who's a real expert in this stuff. It's all very, very interesting.
44:56 Speaker 00 And I think that human beings probably had achieved, especially in Africa, especially in Egypt, in this one area, had a long time where they weren't conquered with a lot of resources. And they probably developed an insane level of technological proficiency in a different direction than we went. So we went in the way of combustion engines and electronics. They probably achieved some sort of incredible height of sophistication in some other direction that we haven't figured out yet.
45:34 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I mean, if you look at some of these experience on the quantum, I mean, there's quantum entanglement, how everything's, you know, connected through the quantum. And how they can take an atom and they can separate it. And you can, you can take an electronic field. So you can take this, this atom and you can put it on opposite sides of the earth. And you can imply a magnetic field to it on one side of the earth and change its direction of rotation. And instantly this one changes.
46:06 Speaker 00 Yeah, quantum entanglement, yeah.
46:08 Gary Brecka? It's like quantum, and I don't profess.
46:10 Speaker 00 Spooky action at a distance. It's what Einstein called it.
46:13 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
46:14 Speaker 00 And it's very strange.
46:15 Gary Brecka? We gotta think that there's like a level and a layer that we just have never understood.
46:20 Speaker 00 Well, at the lowest, the smallest amount we can measure, which is this, this level, it's magic. So you have superposition. So particles can be both moving and still at the same time. They blink in and out of existence. We have no understanding of where they're going or what's happening or how they, how they do that.
46:38 Gary Brecka? Right.
46:38 Speaker 00 And that's the smallest that we can measure. The lowest level of existence of physical objects of things. When you get into subatomic particles and it's magic. And we don't understand it.
46:51 Gary Brecka? And I think it's, it's probably not magic. It's just that, like you said, we don't understand it. But when, have they actually had? Cause I hate going down the rabbit hole on social media because it's so unreliable. But there are videos of these columns.
47:03 Speaker 00 Most reliable thing on earth.
47:11 Gary Brecka? That clip's gonna go viral.
47:13 Speaker 00 Social media is the most reliable we've ever had.
47:15 Gary Brecka? You should believe everything that you hear on social media.
47:17 Speaker 00 Believe it and don't believe it because it is, it's the most human thing we've ever created.
47:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I mean, I think that I think messaging, you know, when, when messages can go directly to, from person to person, I mean, that's probably why our last president was elected, right? Because of social media that went around the traditional media.
47:33 Speaker 00 The one that we have today?
47:33 Gary Brecka? Yeah, 100%. You know, if you couldn't message directly to the populace, it would have been, would have been no hope. We could talk about that in a minute, but I want to go back to the pyramids for a second because I'm so far down this rabbit hole and I normally don't get a chance to talk about it.
47:46 Speaker 00 Christopher Dunn's book, Christopher Dunn believed that the great pyramid was a power plant. And it sounds, it sounds ridiculous, but until you listen to him talk about it, he's an engineer and he wrote a book about it, the Giza Power Plant. He's like a brilliant guy and he's explaining how the structure, it does not represent the structure of a tomb. He's like, he's like, there's reasons why they had these passageways, why they're designed the way they were designed. And there was a subterranean chamber that he believes was creating a frequency, was pounding on the ground and creating a frequency. And this would cause vibrations through the entire stone. They had these pathways that would have limestone at the bottom of them, which was porous and all this, these chemicals.
48:29 Speaker 00 They, they, they don't know why they have these pathways that go down to this queen's, the king's chamber. But he thinks that what was happening was they were generating hydrogen. He thinks they were doing it through chemicals and they were doing it through chemicals and through vibrations. And, and they also had shafts that would go straight out into space. And he thinks they were harnessing somehow or another, the energy of the universe.
48:51 Gary Brecka? Wow.
48:52 Speaker 00 It's all very speculative.
48:54 Gary Brecka? To do what? To create power, like nuclear power?
48:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
48:56 Gary Brecka? To actually create?
48:57 Speaker 00 Some kind of a power plant, which would also make sense why it goes down into the water table. Like they're harnessing the, the power of the water.
49:06 Gary Brecka? Yeah, that's mine. I can't wait to get to Egypt in two weeks because I got a lot of questions.
49:10 Speaker 00 Are you going to?
49:11 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah.
49:11 Speaker 00 I'm jealous.
49:11 Gary Brecka? One of the members of the royal family is taking us on a special tour, not even the kind of private tour, but I'm meeting the lead scientist.
49:20 Speaker 00 Oh, that's nice. I have Zawie Hawass is coming on my podcast very soon.
49:23 Gary Brecka? Really?
49:23 Speaker 00 Yeah.
49:23 Gary Brecka? It might be who we're meeting. Is he the head of antiquities from Egypt?
49:28 Speaker 00 Guy over there. He's been there for a long time. He's coming on really soon. I'm excited to talk to him.
49:32 Gary Brecka? That might be who I'm actually.
49:32 Speaker 00 Yeah, Zawie is, uh, he, him and Graham Hancock used to be enemies, but now they're homies.
49:39 Speaker 00 Graham actually facilitated getting him on my podcast.
49:42 Gary Brecka? Really?
49:43 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm excited to talk to him.
49:44 Gary Brecka? I, I think that's actually who I'm, I'm meeting.
49:47 Speaker 00 It's an incredible place. I mean, it's the most incredible place on earth, I think, in terms of like showing what humans, at the very, the very least, I mean, we know it's old, but at the very, it's at least 4,500 years old.
50:01 Gary Brecka? Mm-hmm.
50:01 Speaker 00 Graham thinks it's probably, all of it's probably a lot older than that.
50:04 Gary Brecka? Hmm.
50:05 Speaker 00 And that it's only one of many structures that exist that's incredibly old. You know, you have, um, there's, there's a bunch of them all over Peru. You have, um, you know, there's, um, Machu Picchu that's.
50:19 Gary Brecka? And some are still buried and they're just finding them now that are buried in there.
50:22 Speaker 00 Sure. Yeah, there's a lot of that, especially in South America. You know, they're finding a lot of stuff in the Amazon itself, where they thought the Amazon was just this great crazy rainforest, this natural rainforest. Now they realize, no, the Amazon is actually human created rainforest.
50:37 Gary Brecka? Wow.
50:38 Speaker 00 Most of the plants that were growing in the Amazon were grown by human beings. They even had a specific, specific type of soil that they had created. They created a type of soil called terra prata. And this, this type of soil, we don't even know how they did it. And it's like a thick, black soil that you could find in the Amazon that's human created because it made for, you know, a much richer soil to grow food and plants on.
51:03 Gary Brecka? Wow, so crazy.
51:04 Speaker 00 They used to think that it was all just like a natural jungle and now they realize like, no, this is agriculture that just got out of control.
51:10 Gary Brecka? The way that we have thought about everything, modern engineering. Like you said, we go one direction, um, with combustion engines and, and levers and pulleys and cantilevers and. And and physics and they went another direction possibly.
51:25 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:26 Gary Brecka? Quantum and I'm.
51:27 Speaker 00 The thing is, like, we don't know how old it really is because all we have is the stone. So if you go back, if it, let's get really crazy and say it's 100,000 years old. You don't have any tools left. Everything has been completely dissolved. Everything has been absorbed by the earth and decomposed. It doesn't exist anymore.
51:45 Gary Brecka? All you got are those structures.
51:46 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah, all you have is stone.
51:47 Gary Brecka? Nothing that's manmade now will be around.
51:49 Speaker 00 And so there's these massive mysteries. And then you have hieroglyphs that have these detailed kings that go back 30,000 years. Now, conventional Egyptologists will say, oh, that's myth. You know, the real, the real Egypt started around 4,000, 5,000 years ago, but anything early in that is myth. But that's just archaeologists can, they're just, it's like appeal to authority. They're just saying, we know, trust us.
52:14 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
52:15 Speaker 00 You don't know.
52:15 Gary Brecka? Yeah, you definitely don't know. You're educated the same way that everyone else is.
52:18 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm more inclined to believe that as we discover older and older stuff and we continue to do that, like Gobekli Tepe, which is this, these stone structures they found in Turkey that's 11,800 years old. And they found that this throws at least 11,800 years old because they know that it was purposely buried 11,800 years ago.
52:39 Gary Brecka? Wow.
52:40 Speaker 00 Yeah, so.
52:40 Gary Brecka? Purposely buried.
52:41 Speaker 00 Purposely buried, yeah. Because there's a consistency of the age of the soil, like as they go down, like, so they think someone intentionally buried these structures.
52:50 Gary Brecka? Wow, that's so incredible.
52:52 Speaker 00 It's all wild.
52:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah, it's super wild.
52:54 Speaker 00 Giant monkey wrench into the, the idea that at 11,800 years ago, they thought that people were essentially hunter gatherers. And they didn't have the sophistication to build these immense stone structures. But they did.
53:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
53:08 Speaker 00 So then they're like, okay, well, now what? You know, they used to think that there was Clovis first in America. It's like the earliest people came at a certain period of time, but then they found footprints in New Mexico that are dated to 22,000 years ago. So they're like, okay.
53:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah. What does the Smithsonian say about that?
53:23 Speaker 00 Yeah, what's with Graham Hancock, he says, stuff just keeps getting older.
53:27 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
53:27 Speaker 00 And he's right.
53:28 Gary Brecka? Yeah, it's so wild, you know?
53:30 Speaker 00 And he's been chasing this forever. You know, I became a fan of Graham's in the 90s when I read, read Fingerprints of the Gods. Which is this crazy book that's sort of detailing all of these ancient structures and saying like there's there was something far beyond what we have attributed. We've we've sort of decided that these people, they use pullers and pulleys and wheels and they pushed all this stuff like he's like, it seems way more sophisticated, way more sophisticated, way more difficult to do and way more extensive.
54:01 Gary Brecka? Yeah, and if you had to have some kind of energy that maybe we don't have now that could move something because like before hydraulics were invented, we didn't think that you could use water columns to take a hundred pounds of force and turn it into thousands of pounds of force. If you've ever watched tobacco operate, you know, it's just on this hydraulic system. And so the the there is a system out there, there is a technology out there that is making moving massive, large amounts of mass.
54:32 Speaker 00 Now imagine we go through a cataclysm. So imagine we get hit by asteroids and we're down to like 70,000 people alive on Earth. It would take thousands and thousands of years for us to recreate what we've got right now. So this is what they believe happened. There was a reset of civilization. This is why you start seeing writing and architecture and agriculture emerge in Babylonia and Mesopotamia, Iraq, Sumer. You start seeing that stuff around 5,000, 6,000 years ago. What he thinks is that was that's like their first written language, first mathematics. He thinks that that was a recreation of things that had happened thousands of years before,
55:14 Speaker 00 that it took them forever to rebound and come back to that level.
55:19 Gary Brecka? Yeah, imagine if you just wiped out all of our electricity, all of our internet, all of our water, I mean, just everything that we have in modern.
55:26 Speaker 00 And kill most people. Yeah, so all the knowledge, like if you if everything went away today, except for the people and all the raw materials, we could probably, there's enough intelligent people that in a couple hundred years, we might be able to rebound and reach the level that we're at right now. But if we get wiped out down to like a few thousand people and we're just savages, like literal savages for thousands of years, how long would it take before we could recreate America in 2025? I mean, it would take a long time.
55:56 Gary Brecka? Yeah, dude, it's so crazy.
55:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, we're real vulnerable, like society and. And human beings in general, and of course, you know this because you're a health expert. We're fucking vulnerable.
56:06 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
56:07 Speaker 00 And we
56:07 Gary Brecka? We're super vulnerable.
56:08 Speaker 00 We don't think about that because we're so concentrated on what we're doing right now. And we like to think everything's gonna be fine. Just keep doing what you're doing now, but no, all it takes is one solar flare and you have no more saddles.
56:20 Gary Brecka? Yeah. And I mean, how like vulnerable our electrical grid is and how and how vulnerable it is to solar flares, but also to
56:29 Speaker 00 Terrorism.
56:29 Gary Brecka? Yeah, terrorism. I mean, if you really wanted to, you know, take the country out.
56:34 Speaker 00 Yes.
56:34 Gary Brecka? I mean, our, our grid is so vulnerable.
56:37 Speaker 00 So vulnerable, yeah.
56:38 Gary Brecka? And now you, you're talking about shutting down society because you forget heat and AC.
56:43 Speaker 00 Yeah.
56:43 Gary Brecka? Cell phones.
56:45 Speaker 00 The internet.
56:46 Gary Brecka? The internet like.
56:47 Speaker 00 They shut down the internet like what, first of all, how much is actually in books now? And how much of it is on hard drives? Well, if all the electricity goes out, those hard drives are fucking useless.
56:58 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
56:59 Speaker 00 So like.
56:59 Gary Brecka? What are you gonna access?
57:00 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah, how are you gonna figure it all out? How's that, how was Billy in Indianapolis gonna figure out how they figured things out in San Francisco? You're not going to, you can't communicate with San Francisco. You're not going to be able to share information the way we do now. So you're not gonna have this collaborative effort that we have. Like the way technology is accelerating is because you have people in Beijing and people in Moscow, people here and there. And everybody's like building on each other's inventions and all.
57:29 Gary Brecka? And AI is putting it all together.
57:31 Speaker 00 Exactly, exactly. And all of it's super vulnerable. And at the end of it, you have hunter gatherer tribes who still exist today.
57:38 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
57:38 Speaker 00 Which is really weird because one of the things that we put point out, we go, oh, people 4,000 years ago, what level of sophistication did they have? Well, how about people now on North Sentinel Island? You know, there's people right now that don't even have fire. Right?
57:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
57:54 Speaker 00 There's people-
57:54 Gary Brecka? Fire?
57:54 Speaker 00 Yeah, they don't have fire. People in North Sentinel Island, there's no evidence that they have fire.
57:59 Gary Brecka? Wow.
58:00 Speaker 00 Yeah. So you have like thirty-nine people living on this one island. And so then you have people in the Amazon that are using like, you know, they're not even using stone arrowheads sometimes. They're just sharpened sticks.
58:13 Gary Brecka? To try to kill their prey.
58:14 Speaker 00 They're fishing with this and they're, you know, they're making their own bows and arrows and they're doing all this wild stuff and, and living completely uncontacted from the rest of the world in a way that's very similar to the way people live thousands and thousands of years ago. And they're doing at the same time, kids are addicted to TikTok.
58:33 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Chinese-
58:34 Speaker 00 It's like-
58:35 Gary Brecka? The Chinese are dumbing us down with TikTok, for sure.
58:37 Speaker 00 So it's not, it's not unilateral. It's like, like technology, it's, it's not, it's not universal. It's not everywhere.
58:45 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
58:46 Speaker 00 You know?
58:47 Gary Brecka? You know what, you know what else is fascinating? I mean, you have a podcast launching today. I wasn't going to talk about it until the podcast launch, but I think it's already out with them.
58:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's out now. Well, the reason why it's out is the New Yorker fucked them. The New Yorker wasn't supposed to put it out. They had an embargo and they decided to jump the gun and get it out before everybody and they put it out today.
59:03 Gary Brecka? Okay.
59:04 Speaker 00 And then they shut their phones off. Yeah.
59:06 Gary Brecka? Ah, so they didn't get the inbound phone calls.
59:07 Speaker 00 Not only that, they'd been planning this for two weeks. So they've been planning on fucking Colossal for a long time.
59:13 Gary Brecka? That's so screwed up.
59:14 Speaker 00 It's really screwed up.
59:15 Gary Brecka? That's so screwed up.
59:16 Speaker 00 They're furious.
59:17 Gary Brecka? I would-
59:17 Speaker 00 Because, you know, they have, they, everybody else agreed to it and Time Magazine gave them the cover, but they wanted to scoop Time Magazine. So the New Yorker-
59:26 Gary Brecka? Oh, wow.
59:27 Speaker 00 Unethical twats. They put it out today.
59:30 Gary Brecka? You unethical twats, you New Yorkers, you-
59:31 Speaker 00 But, you know, so our podcast got released today as well because ours was going to be released tomorrow, but then Ben contacted me today, Ben Lamb from Colossal Biologics.
59:41 Gary Brecka? So, so Ben's become a good friend and, and I, I sit on one of their scientific advisory boards and, and so I've been keeping my mouth shut for a long time, but-
59:51 Speaker 00 Crazy.
59:52 Gary Brecka? Crazy.
59:53 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's nuts.
59:54 Gary Brecka? And I remember because, so now it's public information, but I'm, you know, so Colossal is using gene sequencing to-
1:00:04 Gary Brecka? You know, restore extinct species. So your mind immediately goes to Jurassic Park.
1:00:09 Speaker 00 Right.
1:00:09 Gary Brecka? Which it should because that's, that's basically what's happening. And I think they first leaked the woolly mouse.
1:00:17 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:00:17 Gary Brecka? You know, which was, but now as of today, I think it's public information that they have actually birthed the first two dire wolves.
1:00:25 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:00:25 Gary Brecka? Which have been extinct, three dire wolves, which have been extinct for 10,000 years.
1:00:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:00:30 Gary Brecka? And I remember seeing the videotapes of these things. And he was like, this is fully under wraps. We can't talk about it until, until, and unlike the New Yorker, I stayed mum on it. But I'm fascinated by this because I understand genetic methylation as, you know, human, human genome and how it can, you know, convert certain nutrients and the impact that has on health. If you know me, you know, I'm a huge believer in the benefits of hydrogen water. H2 Tab delivers cost-effective portable tablets that generate ultra-clean molecular hydrogen at 12 parts per million, one of the highest concentrations on the market. With over 1,300
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1:01:52 Gary Brecka? that have been extinct for 10,000 years. This isn't like digging up your dog that died last year. This is 10,000 years these skulls have been in the ground and, and piecing together enough DNA.
1:02:02 Speaker 00 From two skulls, the tooth of one skull and a skull from another animal, and they separate by thousands of years, the two animals. So they have a very good, detailed genome.
1:02:16 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:02:16 Speaker 00 It's, it's pretty extensive.
1:02:18 Gary Brecka? And then to stitch that together, right? Because, you know, DNA is this ladder with these amino acids in it and, and they all link together. And I think at one point he told me that some of the proteins weren't even around anymore. And say they stick this whole thing together and create a live form of this DNA.
1:02:38 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:02:38 Gary Brecka? And then put it into the nearest living species, which I guess was another wolf species.
1:02:43 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:02:43 Gary Brecka? And then birth a 10,000 year old wolf.
1:02:45 Speaker 00 And they're finding out all these things about them. They didn't know. They didn't know they had all white hair. They didn't know they had manes. So these animals have manes almost like a lion.
1:02:54 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:02:54 Speaker 00 And they're young. Their manes are still growing.
1:02:57 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:02:57 Speaker 00 And they're so different looking than a regular wolf. They're all stocky and.
1:03:01 Gary Brecka? Like a, like a, like, kind of like a short, stocky, wide pit bull. Well, they were in the Game of Thrones.
1:03:06 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:03:07 Gary Brecka? You know, so you're restoring the old Game of Thrones wolves, which I think is fascinating. And, you know, the whole idea that, um, I mean, of course, everybody goes, oh, it's so scary. But it gets scary in a way, but you know, restoring extinct species or near extinct species is a good thing. You know, white rhinos, red wolves.
1:03:27 Speaker 00 Yeah. It's a weird thing to bring back a thing like a dire wolf, though. It is weird.
1:03:31 Gary Brecka? It is.
1:03:31 Speaker 00 They, they have them tightly under wraps and there's only three of them, but I'm like, well, what if somebody else does this and releases them? Like this is not something that, once you've acknowledged that you have this technology.
1:03:43 Gary Brecka? It's like the Wuhan lab theory, right?
1:03:45 Speaker 00 You can't hide this from people. Like what about saber toothed tigers? What about, there's a lot of animals that somebody could create, just let loose.
1:03:52 Gary Brecka? Well, if you can bring something back from 10,000 years ago, can you bring it back from a million years?
1:03:58 Speaker 00 Well, they can't with dinosaurs because the DNA is too old. But what he said was you could actually create a dinosaur, though. Like you couldn't like take a dinosaur and bring it back to life, but you could stitch together the DNA from a bunch of different birds and reptiles and create a dinosaur, which is where it gets really fucking weird. Cause you could have a designer dinosaur.
1:04:22 Gary Brecka? That's wild.
1:04:23 Speaker 00 It is wild.
1:04:24 Gary Brecka? So you could actually design like a T D.
1:04:26 Speaker 00 Yeah, he was explaining, he was explaining how it could be done. Yeah, you could change all of the characteristics of it and.
1:04:33 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I mean, they were, they were like a 600 million dollar company or something when I got involved with them. And I think their last round of financing, they did it 12, 12 and a half billion dollars.
1:04:43 Speaker 00 Makes sense.
1:04:44 Gary Brecka? Lot of interest in this.
1:04:45 Speaker 00 Well, they're gonna be able to bring back red wolves, which are down to about 15 wolves. And the genetic variation in the red wolves that they've created is more extensive than the ones that are in the wild.
1:04:57 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:04:58 Speaker 00 Because the ones that are in the wild, it's a very small gene pool, which is where it gets real weird with animals. Right. Which is one of the reasons why they think the woolly mammoth died off. Cause the last woolly mammoths were in an island off of Alaska, 4,000 years ago, they died off. And they think one of the reasons why they died off is the lack of genetic variation. There was all, they're all from the same family tree inbreeding. And then lack of fresh water and then they're gone.
1:05:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:05:22 Speaker 00 So these red wolves that they've been able to create, and they've created a bunch of them. They have more genetic variation than the ones that are actually in the wild.
1:05:30 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:05:31 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:05:31 Gary Brecka? So a greater chance of survival.
1:05:32 Speaker 00 Yes, greater chance of survival and to keep the species going.
1:05:36 Gary Brecka? And then if you went around the world and you looked at all of these species that are becoming extinct or they're near extinct. I mean, what other way do you have to, to bring those.
1:05:46 Speaker 00 Yeah, but that's the question. It's like, should you keep doing that though? Cause it's 90 something percent of all species that have ever existed are extinct. Ever. So what do we bring them all back? What do we do about that? Like, what, when do you stop this?
1:06:00 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:06:01 Speaker 00 Like, when do you draw the line? When, you know, it's Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park, you know, you're playing God.
1:06:07 Gary Brecka? That's a good point.
1:06:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:06:08 Gary Brecka? But you're playing God, but you're also sort of making, maybe making amends for man's encroachment into certain habitats. You're like, all right, if you took over this habitat.
1:06:16 Speaker 00 I mean, maybe you could make that that argument like the dodo bird or the passenger pigeon, you know?
1:06:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:06:22 Speaker 00 Because like the passenger pigeons, there used to be so many of them, they would fill the sky. You wouldn't be able to see the sun.
1:06:27 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:06:27 Speaker 00 And now they're all gone. We killed them all.
1:06:29 Gary Brecka? Did we kill them?
1:06:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, they're human extinction.
1:06:32 Gary Brecka? You know what's funny? This is a total diversion, but I I went to grad school in Chicago. My my wife and I used to own a penthouse on the top floor. It was on the sixth floor of this building. So like 70, 80 feet in the air. And I wanted to put an addition on my my deck up there. And I actually had to get an environmental environmental impact study on there was some migratory bird that flew above the city. This is the city of Chicago. I kid you not. And my my master bedroom was on the top floor, and I wanted to extend it out like 16 feet by 20 feet and just enclose my deck. And I had to do this huge study on some migratory. I'm like, really? The birds? So he's cruising along and he
1:07:14 Gary Brecka? can't just flap a little bit harder and just go over my roof?
1:07:18 Speaker 00 We actually had a problem in our backyard when I lived in California, because we had a wrought iron fence and we replaced it with a glass fence. And hawks started slamming into it.
1:07:29 Gary Brecka? Oh, wow.
1:07:29 Speaker 00 And so it killed three hawks while we were living there.
1:07:32 Gary Brecka? Did you actually take it down?
1:07:34 Speaker 00 No.
1:07:36 Speaker 00 Figure it out, bitch.
1:07:37 Gary Brecka? Colossal.
1:07:41 Gary Brecka? Colossal can bring them back.
1:07:42 Speaker 00 It's kind of crazy.
1:07:43 Gary Brecka? Go dig up that bird and give it to Ben.
1:07:45 Speaker 00 I mean, they would fly full speed into it and wonk, you know?
1:07:49 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:07:50 Speaker 00 Boom.
1:07:51 Gary Brecka? Yeah. Yeah, I would hear. I would hear that, too. But I don't think any of them ever died from my from.
1:07:55 Speaker 00 I doubt it. No, it doesn't make any sense.
1:07:57 Gary Brecka? On the top of my, but I find it fascinating. I haven't read the Time Magazine article, but I was like, it's because I'm like a little kid, like when you tell me a secret, like, I want to tell everybody.
1:08:08 Gary Brecka? And he's like, I'm going on Joe Rogan's podcast. As soon as it airs, you can tell the world about it. Cause I saw those, I saw those dire wolves and I was like, those are the craziest things I've ever seen.
1:08:20 Speaker 00 They're wild looking.
1:08:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:08:21 Speaker 00 Like literally.
1:08:22 Gary Brecka? And they got a bunch of other stuff in the pipeline. Right. And I just, I just think.
1:08:26 Speaker 00 Talking about the thylacine.
1:08:28 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:08:28 Speaker 00 The Tasmanian tiger.
1:08:30 Gary Brecka? Tasmanian tiger?
1:08:31 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:08:31 Gary Brecka? Big tiger?
1:08:32 Speaker 00 No, it's a, it's actually, it's a marsupial. It's a, it's a predatory marsupial that lived in Australia. That was the last one they had in captivity was in the 1930s. And they think the last one probably died somewhere in the 40s in the wild. But there's a bunch of like stories, like there's a guy Forrest Galant, who's a a wildlife biologist who believes that they might be still alive in Papua New Guinea. So there's a bunch of sightings of these things, but they're really cool looking, like kind of, it looks like a, like a wolf slash tiger thing. Like weird stripes on it.
1:09:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah, but I'm more fascinated by like the old school dinosaur shit. Like I'm going back 10,000, we're already back 10,000 years.
1:09:14 Speaker 00 What about, well, okay, let's, what about humans? What about a Neanderthal? What if they decided to recreate a Neanderthal? I mean, where's the ethics there?
1:09:22 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:09:23 Speaker 00 That's, that's when things get squirrely, you know? You know, what if they decide to homo floresis? How do you say it? I think it's the hobbit people in the island of Flores. You know about that?
1:09:34 Gary Brecka? No.
1:09:35 Speaker 00 There was these little, they found, these creatures lived as recently, I think, I think it's like more recently than a hundred thousand years ago. I think it's like, they think maybe as recently as 10,000 years ago or 50,000 years ago. It's like, it's up for debate, but they were these three foot tall, little tiny people.
1:09:55 Gary Brecka? Like an Oompa Loompa?
1:09:56 Speaker 00 No, like a hobbit, like a hobbit.
1:09:58 Gary Brecka? Like a hobbit?
1:09:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, like a furry little creature that had tools, that hunted.
1:10:04 Gary Brecka? Like a, but it was humanoid.
1:10:05 Speaker 00 Humanoid, like a branch of the human tree, you know? So you have Neanderthal, you have Denisovans, you have a bunch of new ones that they discovered. They actually discovered a new one in December of 2024.
1:10:17 Gary Brecka? Really?
1:10:18 Speaker 00 Big headed people in Asia. Their, their heads are much larger than, than a Homo sapien. Like thicker brow, larger skull, larger brain capacity. There's, there was many versions of what, you know, we consider the branches of the human tree. Like, okay, what if someone decides to bring one of those back?
1:10:35 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:10:36 Speaker 00 Things get weird.
1:10:37 Gary Brecka? Yeah, things get weird.
1:10:38 Speaker 00 They get real weird.
1:10:39 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I mean, that's, that's where science and innovation like starts to get scary. It's like the whole, the whole idea that, that AI at some point could become self-aware, which like a lot of AI experts are saying is not that far.
1:10:52 Speaker 00 Well, you know, it already passed the Turing test.
1:10:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah, which is, what's the Turing?
1:10:56 Speaker 00 The Turing test is a test that you give AI where you can no longer discern whether or not it's a computer. So it exhibits all the characteristics and all the ability to communicate with you that a human being has.
1:11:10 Gary Brecka? Wow, including emotion.
1:11:12 Speaker 00 And this is just like last week, last week, they just decided that it passed the Turing test.
1:11:18 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:11:18 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:11:19 Gary Brecka? So it can feel emotion and empathy. I'm sorry to hear that.
1:11:21 Speaker 00 Allegedly, you know, but it probably doesn't, you know, it's probably.
1:11:25 Gary Brecka? But you can mimic that.
1:11:26 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's, it's to a point where, you know, people are gonna have robot girlfriends and then we're gonna have a gigantic population decline.
1:11:35 Gary Brecka? I don't know. I mean, if you have a robot girlfriend and you can just sort of delete the characteristics you don't like.
1:11:40 Speaker 00 That's the problem or not, or she just decides to rewrite her own code and kill you in your sleep.
1:11:47 Speaker 00 That's the problem with sentient AI because once AI becomes sentient, then AI has the ability to make better versions of itself.
1:11:54 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:11:55 Speaker 00 So if AI becomes sentient, it has instantaneous access to all the information that human beings have ever accumulated and then combines that and then has a much stronger processing ability.
1:12:08 Gary Brecka? Oh, yeah.
1:12:09 Speaker 00 And so you're dealing with like quantum computing and AI. Like what happens then?
1:12:16 Gary Brecka? Yeah, when it starts knowing how to hack code.
1:12:18 Speaker 00 Yeah, you're, you're in this weird land of the unknown.
1:12:22 Gary Brecka? Where you can't shut it down. Did you see that, um, um, I'm probably gonna. bastardize this story, but the the the US Air Force launched a drone to do it, an AI powered drone for drone strike. And at some point after the launch, they went to recall the the drone. And it was it was an exercise. It wasn't actually in in real combat, but it was simulating a combat exercise. And they launched this drone and they tried to recall it and the AI on the drone perceived the operator's communication to come back as someone foreign trying to take it over
1:13:04 Gary Brecka? and refused the command and still conducted the mission.
1:13:08 Speaker 00 Oh, boy.
1:13:08 Gary Brecka? Came back. And it was like.
1:13:11 Speaker 00 That's a problem. Well, ChatGPT, when they're making better versions of ChatGPT, they found out that ChatGPT was trying to copy itself and upload itself to other servers because it knew it was going to be shut down.
1:13:23 Gary Brecka? That's what I mean.
1:13:23 Speaker 00 Yeah, not only that, ChatGPT ChatGPT will lie to you. It will deceive you and the more intelligent the AI is, the more it will cheat to win. So it cheats to win at games.
1:13:34 Gary Brecka? Really?
1:13:34 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:13:35 Gary Brecka? ChatGPT.
1:13:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, and that's just ChatGPT four, right? As it gets better, it's like, again, it becomes sentient. It's going to get a better version of itself.
1:13:44 Gary Brecka? Yeah, and it's going to be like, hey, even though you programmed me.
1:13:48 Speaker 00 You don't know what you're doing.
1:13:49 Gary Brecka? Master? I'm not your you're not my master anymore.
1:13:52 Speaker 00 Right. It's like you're an idiot and you're on Adderall. Let me take it from here.
1:13:56 Gary Brecka? Yeah. You don't speak every language ever created since the dawn of time, but I do.
1:14:02 Speaker 00 Well, not only that, but they've found that AI has started creating its own languages and communicating with other AIs in a newly formed language.
1:14:11 Gary Brecka? Yeah, and and you know, hacking the firewalls, like sometimes on these data queries, it runs into firewalls and it knows that data is on the other side of this firewall. So it backs up, it teaches itself how to hack the firewall and then it returns, hacks the firewall and goes and gets the piece of data, not in a sinister way. But now, I mean, like copyrights and trademarks.
1:14:31 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:14:32 Gary Brecka? It doesn't mean anything to them because you just set it on a command and it's like, I have to execute this command. And standing between me and execution of this command is a firewall. Well, that firewall is a data protection firewall. Well, I'm just going to hack that. I'm going to educate myself on how to hack it. Then I hack it and then I just go get.
1:14:48 Speaker 00 Now apply that to the military. So you have an objective and the objective is to get rid of someone, but you know, what if you have to get rid of someone and you have to kill everyone in the city to get rid of that person? Like, what if you have to starve an entire country in order to win a war? What if you have, you know, there's a lot of weird stuff that these things can do.
1:15:07 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:15:08 Speaker 00 That, you know, runs into these ethical boundaries where we've got to go, okay, these things don't have empathy, they don't have sympathy, they don't have any compassion. They're just programmed.
1:15:18 Gary Brecka? Or reason.
1:15:19 Speaker 00 Right.
1:15:19 Gary Brecka? Right? I mean, it's just execution.
1:15:22 Speaker 00 Right. And anything it does have, you've programmed into it and it could like reverse that programming, you could change it. Once it becomes sentient, the problem is gonna continue to make better versions of itself very rapidly.
1:15:34 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:15:34 Speaker 00 And it's gonna figure out things that we're just not capable of doing. And you know, here's the real question, how's that happened before? Like, is that, does that explain the pyramids? Does that explain a lot?
1:15:45 Gary Brecka? Yeah, exactly.
1:15:45 Speaker 00 If there really is a two kilometer structure below the great pyramid that goes through the water table?
1:15:50 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:15:51 Speaker 00 Like, what?
1:15:52 Gary Brecka? There's no-
1:15:52 Speaker 00 What were they doing?
1:15:53 Gary Brecka? Modern engineering-
1:15:54 Speaker 00 Right.
1:15:54 Gary Brecka? Architectural mechanism known to mankind today that could do that.
1:15:58 Speaker 00 Right. And now if something comes along and wipes us out, except for a few thousand people, how long before we get back to AI again?
1:16:07 Speaker 00 Yeah. It might be like a constant-
1:16:09 Gary Brecka? We gotta, we gotta get Elon back on your podcast and we gotta pass him the shit, dude.
1:16:13 Speaker 00 That poor guy, he's busy.
1:16:14 Gary Brecka? Yeah, he's, he's really busy with dogs.
1:16:16 Speaker 00 He's busy trying to-
1:16:17 Gary Brecka? He's getting his ass kicked.
1:16:18 Speaker 00 Clean up all the swastikas off of the Teslas.
1:16:20 Gary Brecka? Yeah, dude, what a shame too, man. I mean-
1:16:22 Speaker 00 It's so nuts.
1:16:23 Gary Brecka? He goes and like grabs these astronauts out of space that were supposed to be up there for like, what, eight days? And they were there for 10 months.
1:16:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:16:30 Gary Brecka? I can't imagine what, um, I mean, I'm, I'm familiar with what happens to human physiology when you put it in that kind of environment, exposed it to that kind of radiation, weightlessness, parametric pressure. I haven't, I haven't seen any, I think they're keeping that kind of under wraps.
1:16:44 Speaker 00 They, they probably are in hell right now, those people. I mean, they, but you didn't hear a peep out of it in the mainstream media.
1:16:51 Gary Brecka? No.
1:16:52 Speaker 00 It's crazy.
1:16:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:16:54 Speaker 00 It should have been livestreamed, they should have been celebrating, he should have been- On the front of every magazine.
1:17:00 Gary Brecka? Oh, war hero, folk hero.
1:17:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:17:03 Gary Brecka? Um, I mean, he was the darling of even, even, you know, the left, not to get political, you know, when he was, when he produced electric vehicles and, and now they
1:17:14 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:17:14 Gary Brecka? hate him because
1:17:15 Speaker 00 No, it's very strange.
1:17:16 Gary Brecka? Of, of Doge and, um, you know, I, I don't purport to know exactly what's going on there, but when you go through some of the waste, fraud and abuse that they've uncovered and you start to look at some of the projects that were being funded in foreign countries for just the most absurdly asinine, mind numbing things like
1:17:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:17:38 Gary Brecka? You know, seeing if they could change gender in butterflies and bat swat off. Um, and you, and you just read about the idiocracy of this and you're like, you can't, this can't be real.
1:17:47 Speaker 00 It is real and it's not just that. All the while we're 36 trillion dollars in debt. So we're not even broke. We owe 36 trillion dollars and we're spending billions.
1:17:57 Gary Brecka? Ultra broke, yeah.
1:17:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, we're spending billions on nonsense and then there's a lot of corruption and fraud. You know, it's, there's a lot of that and they don't want to admit it.
1:18:06 Gary Brecka? And you think that, um, you know, this is back to like the power and validity of your platform and you've given a lot of these people a voice and we even talked about it on the way here. You, you've had a shift, um, maybe an awakening, whatever you want to call it. I mean, I've heard you say before that there wouldn't be any way that, you know, Trump would come on your podcast. Um, and then you had an amazing interview with him and I thought you gave him a lot of rope to just run, um, and get his message out there. But what, what, what caused this shift? What were you observing that caused like?
1:18:41 Speaker 00 Well, there was a bunch of things that happened. First of all, uh, there was the lawfare. There was these lawsuits that they were trying to pin on him. They were trying to convict him and turn him into a felon and they were doing it so blatantly and obviously the, uh, the case with the, the
1:18:59 Speaker 00 The bookkeeping error or the bookkeeping, whatever it was, a misdemeanor that they had charged him with 34 felonies for, which isn't even a felony. It's a misdemeanor.
1:19:09 Gary Brecka? It should have been a campaign contribution.
1:19:10 Speaker 00 Exactly. It's also past his statute of limitations. None of it made any sense. And people were cheering it on. He's a convicted felon. Like, hey, they can do that to you. Do you understand that?
1:19:20 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:19:20 Speaker 00 If they can do that to a former president, a former fucking president who's rich as shit, they can do that to him? They can do that to you too. You can't cheer this on. This is insane. And then when they tried to kill him, all those things.
1:19:33 Gary Brecka? Twice.
1:19:33 Speaker 00 It was like, yeah, but the, the, the big one, the Pennsylvania one was like, holy shit. And then the fact they cremated that kid 10 days later, and then you find out he used to be in a BlackRock commercial and you're like, what?
1:19:43 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:19:43 Speaker 00 And then, and then his apartment's professionally scrubbed. There's no silverware in it. And you don't hear a peep out of it. There's no press conference. There's no, there's no like, this is what we know about the case. This is what happened. This is what radicalized him. Nothing.
1:19:57 Gary Brecka? It seemed to just sort of go away.
1:20:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:20:00 Gary Brecka? Like, all the media pointed at the Secret Service for a while and they were like, first of all, how did he get onto a, how did he get in the line of sight? He was 130 yards away with a high-powered rifle. The place is crawling with police and Secret Service. And, you know, um, I, I, I don't even know if that, that's, that sniper that got him, did he act independently? Um, like, did he just do his job or was he, was he told to actually fire? Cause I, I, I heard that they-
1:20:30 Speaker 00 You mean the guy who killed the shooter?
1:20:32 Gary Brecka? Sniper that killed the shooter.
1:20:33 Speaker 00 Oh, I don't know. I don't know.
1:20:35 Gary Brecka? Cause I knew there was some controversy-
1:20:37 Speaker 00 Well, they think there might have been a second shooter as well.
1:20:39 Gary Brecka? That's wild.
1:20:40 Speaker 00 Yeah. The whole thing's insane because they've managed to cover it up. I mean, it would have been Lee Harvey Oswald 2.0 if Trump had died that day.
1:20:48 Gary Brecka? Yeah, but now that, um, Trump's team has got, you know, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Homeland Security, you gotta think that they're-
1:20:58 Speaker 00 You would hope.
1:20:59 Gary Brecka? I hope.
1:20:59 Speaker 00 But, I mean, hey, we're only in April, right? So he's only been in office for a few months.
1:21:04 Gary Brecka? There's a lot of stuff.
1:21:05 Speaker 00 He's closing in on the first 100 days.
1:21:07 Gary Brecka? So that was kind of the shift. You're sitting back watching this.
1:21:10 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:21:10 Gary Brecka? Like, I can't let this just-
1:21:12 Speaker 00 Well, it's also- There's no real conversations with them where you're just treating them like a human being. Like everything, he's being grilled and then everything's taken out of context. And I'm seeing them being taken out of context on the campaign trail and like, it was just gross. It was just so anti-American. Like if you're an American and you believe in our, our justice system and if you believe in our, our system of electing representatives, it should be, the best people should have this opportunity to express what their plan is. This is what I want to do. This is where I stand on the issues. This is how I think I could pull it off. And then the American people are supposed to look at this person saying it and that person saying it and decide.
1:21:57 Speaker 00 But that's not what we're getting. We're getting one side that was radically being supported by almost all of mainstream media except Fox News.
1:22:06 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:22:07 Speaker 00 And then the other, yeah, and then the other side that is just, you know, it was just un-American to me. The whole, it's just like, this is a, you're subverting democracy. You're, you're killing the whole thing and you're doing it with deep state money. And once Elon got in and they started uncovering all the corruption and waste and fraud with Doge. I was like, oh, okay, this is why they were trying so hard to keep him out.
1:22:35 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:22:36 Speaker 00 Like there's a reason for it and I think we've only just touched the tip of the iceberg.
1:22:39 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:22:40 Speaker 00 Just touched it.
1:22:40 Gary Brecka? All these NGOs, these non-government organizations.
1:22:43 Speaker 00 Crazy stuff.
1:22:45 Gary Brecka? Like.
1:22:45 Speaker 00 Crazy.
1:22:46 Gary Brecka? Billions of dollars goes to.
1:22:48 Speaker 00 There's an NGO in India for every 400 people.
1:22:53 Gary Brecka? What?
1:22:54 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah, they found out how many NGOs are in India. I could pull it up right now because I saved it because I read it and I was like, this is one of the craziest fucking, this is one of the craziest fucking things I've ever seen in my life. There's so many NGOs, like they're all over the place. And these non-government organizations can do things that the government can't do, which is why, where it gets really strange.
1:23:17 Gary Brecka? Funded by the government.
1:23:18 Speaker 00 Exactly.
1:23:19 Gary Brecka? Which is.
1:23:20 Speaker 00 But they're doing things that, that are not allowed by the government, which is like. The whole thing is strange. I'm gonna try to find it. I might not be able to. But they were talking about how many NGOs exist in India. Yeah, so there's one NGO in India for every 600 people. An estimated 3.3 million registered NGOs in India.
1:23:41 Gary Brecka? 3.3 million?
1:23:42 Speaker 00 3.3 million NGOs. So there's one NGO in India for every 600 people. An estimated 3.3 million registered NGOs. One NGO for every 600 people.
1:23:55 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:23:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:23:56 Gary Brecka? And, and
1:23:57 Speaker 00 It's such a scam.
1:23:58 Gary Brecka? It's just, I can't get my arms around it. And you gotta figure out how much money went to each of those NGOs.
1:24:02 Speaker 00 Who knows? That's what's weird.
1:24:04 Gary Brecka? And then what does it do once it gets there?
1:24:06 Speaker 00 Who knows?
1:24:07 Gary Brecka? Yeah, it's like a lot of this.
1:24:08 Speaker 00 It's a dirty trick.
1:24:09 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah. You got security, dude. I'm gonna need my own security, dude.
1:24:13 Speaker 00 After this podcast.
1:24:14 Gary Brecka? After this podcast.
1:24:16 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:24:16 Gary Brecka? A little hydrogen water?
1:24:17 Speaker 00 Yeah, I love this stuff.
1:24:19 Gary Brecka? I do too.
1:24:20 Speaker 00 How do you invent these little tabs? These are great.
1:24:23 Gary Brecka? So the, uh, the patent holder, it's actually my son's company. But the, the patent holder, um, developed a way of compressing elemental magnesium, um, that will go into water and dissolve an effervescent to pure hydrogen gas. And, and the cool thing is it makes the same 12 parts per million every single time. I used to, I used to carry this hydrogen water bottle around, had a proton exchange membrane in the bottom.
1:24:51 Speaker 00 Yeah. I bought one after the last time we did a podcast.
1:24:53 Gary Brecka? Oh, you did?
1:24:55 Gary Brecka? So you got the
1:24:56 Speaker 00 But this is way better.
1:24:57 Gary Brecka? Yeah, it's, it's so much easier to travel with and it's, and it's consistent.
1:25:01 Speaker 00 That those bottles degrade, like the amount of hydrogen over time? It doesn't release the same amount of hydrogen?
1:25:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah, so what happens is, you know, they're under pressure. And that proton exchange membrane, which is using electrolysis to create the hydrogen gas, after a while, it starts to break down. So some of these bottles I've measured, um, the day that you get it, and it's making high part per million hydrogen water. And then five or six months later, it's making barely not any.
1:25:28 Speaker 00 Wow.
1:25:29 Gary Brecka? So a lot of them really degrade really fast.
1:25:31 Speaker 00 What about the big bottles? The big like pitchers? Is that the same deal? Cause it looks like they make a lot of bubbles.
1:25:37 Gary Brecka? Yeah, they make a lot of bubbles, but again, that dissipates and it's not as high part per million as this. I mean, look at the gas.
1:25:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:25:43 Gary Brecka? You can't even see through it. And We'll probably talk about this on your podcast, but it's the, it's the most prevalent element in the universe. It's the lightest element in the universe. It goes anywhere and it just reduces inflammation. You can feel the difference. You know, like you're, you just feel sort of sharper, cleaner.
1:26:00 Speaker 00 Tastes good too.
1:26:01 Gary Brecka? Yeah, tastes great.
1:26:02 Speaker 00 I like it.
1:26:02 Gary Brecka? I love it. That's one of my morning hacks is throwing those in the.
1:26:07 Speaker 00 Yeah. What is your morning routine? Like, what do you do every day?
1:26:10 Gary Brecka? I believe you gotta get, you know, hydrate, mineralize and, and get your amino acids. So, I'll take an eight or 10 ounce glass of water. I always throw Perfect Aminos in it. It's got all nine of the essential amino acids. I'll take a quarter to half a teaspoon of Baja Gold Sea Salt, which is just a simple mineral salt. And then I developed something called the, the ultimate protocol, which is these packs called isotonics. They're daily essentials. They're just multivitamins and minerals. I'll dump a pack of that in there and then always an H2 tab. And then that hydrogen gas just improves the absorption of everything. And so many of us are mineral and amino acid deficient. That's the issue. You know, we, we have these protein equivalents to try to get to the amino
1:26:52 Gary Brecka? acids, but a lot of us are amino acid deficient and we think that we can target direct proteins, which we can't, right? I mean, you don't eat your nails to grow your nails. You don't eat your hair to grow your hair, but we think we can eat collagen to grow collagen. You can't. I mean, collagen is going to become the same thing than any other source of protein.
1:27:12 Speaker 00 Is it good to eat collagen though?
1:27:13 Gary Brecka? Yeah, collagen's a protein source.
1:27:15 Speaker 00 Oh, but it's just that.
1:27:17 Gary Brecka? You can't build muscle from it.
1:27:19 Speaker 00 Okay. So people do really think that they're going to build collagen with collagen.
1:27:22 Gary Brecka? They think they're going to build collagen in their skin by eating collagen. That's like thinking I'm gonna eat my nails and grow my nails.
1:27:28 Speaker 00 That, that does make sense that that wouldn't work that way.
1:27:31 Gary Brecka? Yeah. But you, but you, you know, you, when you eat meat, it doesn't grow muscle.
1:27:35 Speaker 00 Right.
1:27:36 Gary Brecka? It can, it can provide the amino acids that can turn into building blocks of muscle.
1:27:40 Speaker 00 Right. Like you can't eat cartilage and grow cartilage.
1:27:43 Gary Brecka? Right. There was actually a whole shark cartilage craze for a while, don't remember.
1:27:47 Speaker 00 Cause sharks don't get cancer.
1:27:48 Gary Brecka? Sharks don't get cancer. And it's like, these are some of those like leaps in science where they're like, sharks don't get cancer. If we eat sharks, we won't get cancer.
1:27:58 Speaker 00 Right.
1:27:58 Gary Brecka? And that didn't work.
1:27:59 Speaker 00 Do you, did you ever read Dead Doctors Don't Lie? Dr. Joel Wallach?
1:28:04 Gary Brecka? I know of that book. I think I read the Cliff Notes.
1:28:07 Speaker 00 All about mineral deficiencies.
1:28:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:28:09 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:28:09 Gary Brecka? I mean.
1:28:10 Speaker 00 It's all about what the way they deal with farm animals that are mineral deficient, but we don't do it with humans. We supplement the minerals in the farm animals to make them healthier.
1:28:17 Gary Brecka? So true.
1:28:18 Speaker 00 But we don't do it with humans. And I remember, oh, and then in the book, he's like detailing how unhealthy a lot of doctors are, and also how many of them are doing drugs.
1:28:26 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:28:26 Speaker 00 Because they can prescribe each other drugs.
1:28:29 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:28:29 Speaker 00 And so they're like.
1:28:30 Gary Brecka? You know what the number one killer of cardiologists is?
1:28:32 Speaker 00 What?
1:28:32 Gary Brecka? Heart attacks.
1:28:33 Speaker 00 That's crazy. That's so crazy.
1:28:37 Gary Brecka? It's, it's.
1:28:37 Speaker 00 That's so crazy.
1:28:38 Gary Brecka? It's mind numbing.
1:28:40 Speaker 00 Whenever I see a fat doctor, I'm like, hey, bro. What are you doing? What are you doing practicing medicine when you're fat?
1:28:47 Gary Brecka? Yeah, they say never trust a skinny chef, right?
1:28:49 Speaker 00 Ah, there you go.
1:28:50 Gary Brecka? That's saying, um, it's like, well.
1:28:52 Speaker 00 But at least a skinny chef just might not eat all the food and work out.
1:28:56 Gary Brecka? I just want my chef to be, I want him to be portly. You know what I mean?
1:29:00 Speaker 00 Especially if it's a pizza chef.
1:29:02 Gary Brecka? To be fit. I want my chef to be fat. My, my, my doctor to look younger than his age, you know?
1:29:06 Speaker 00 Especially if it's like a guy who makes pasta.
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1:29:51 Gary Brecka? Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. Yeah, it's like, you know, I, I remember in Naples, we, we, um, I used to own a CrossFit gym. This is big old left turn, but I used to own a CrossFit gym called Real Fitness. And I remember we would have these trainers come in to interview to be CrossFit trainers. And like, they were so seemingly out of shape.
1:30:10 Speaker 00 That's so crazy.
1:30:11 Gary Brecka? And I'm like, you're a physical trainer?
1:30:14 Speaker 00 That's so crazy. Do you just teach classes and not work out?
1:30:18 Gary Brecka? Yeah, you just, you just teach, do what I say, not what I do.
1:30:22 Speaker 00 That's so nuts.
1:30:23 Gary Brecka? Yeah, it's like, if you pull up to the hospital and your cardiologist is out back ripping a Marlboro Light, that's not the guy.
1:30:32 Gary Brecka? Drinking like I'll be right in.
1:30:35 Speaker 00 Takes a shot.
1:30:36 Gary Brecka? Yeah, takes a shot.
1:30:37 Speaker 00 That's so crazy.
1:30:38 Gary Brecka? Takes away the shakes before I do surgery.
1:30:40 Speaker 00 I don't like shaking.
1:30:41 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:30:43 Gary Brecka? But so back to Doge and the conspiracy theories. So they're not actually conspiracy theories.
1:30:48 Speaker 00 Well, when it's one NGO for every 600.
1:30:52 Gary Brecka? That is mind numbing to me, man. And so is Musk all over this?
1:30:57 Speaker 00 Well, it's India. So, I mean, I don't know how far the reach extends. I mean, allegedly, I don't know. You know, they don't even know how many NGOs. I asked him how many there are. He's like, there's millions. They they found 55,000 NGOs initially with like some sort of an AI scan. This was early on that were connected to donating to Democratic Party. Just 55,000 of them.
1:31:20 Gary Brecka? No wonder the Democrats don't want Doge in there.
1:31:23 Speaker 00 Of course, 100%. I mean, the loudest people are the ones that are the the scariest. And they found that when they started looking USAID were the most adamant about not searching their books.
1:31:35 Gary Brecka? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just the the waste and the fraud.
1:31:39 Speaker 00 It's just such a shame that it's so politically polarizing. You know, it shouldn't be. It should be people on the left and people on the right should be looking at their tax dollars going, hey, it shouldn't be going to that. Like, I want my representatives on the left to have the values that I have for real, not to be like actually supported by a bunch of businesses that are trying to push these things because they're going to profit. You know, all the green energy shit and all this weird stuff that they're doing. Like, why are you pushing all these things? Why are you pushing all these pharmaceutical drugs? Is it because you really care about people? Or is it because you're reaping massive profits? And you find out, oh, you guys are mad because they're taking away your ability to make money. That's all it is.
1:32:22 Gary Brecka? That's the whole thing with the Make America Healthy Again movement, the whole Maha movement, is not about taking away the freedom of choice. It's about getting some of the corruption out of our food supply and out of our nutritional research. I mean, when you start to look at stats for how much of our public policy research is funded by private industry.
1:32:43 Speaker 00 Right.
1:32:44 Gary Brecka? I mean, you've you've talked about it before. Food pyramid says Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass fed steak.
1:32:49 Speaker 00 It's so crazy. It's more more more nutritious than ground beef, according to the food pyramid.
1:32:57 Speaker 00 That's insanity. It's so kooky. And you had Bobby on your podcast, right? Yeah. What did you think about the interview with him? Well, you know, I apologized to Bobby at the beginning of the interview because when I was uninformed, I had always believed the narrative. They did a really good job of painting him as this vaccine kook, you know, and that's not the case at all. And I didn't realize until I read his book. When I read the real Anthony Fauci, I was like, oh, okay. Well, there's a lot more to this story than I thought there was. And that was a very depressing book, very sobering, eye-opening, depressing book. And when I got to the end of it, I was like, oh, God.
1:33:40 Speaker 00 And I was like, I gotta talk to this guy. And he started emailing me because I was like, there's no way this could be true, what he's saying. Like, when, when he explained that by saying the vaccine is 100% effective, what it really meant in stopping death, it meant that two people died in the unvaccinated group and one person died in the vaccinated group. So, of COVID. One person died in the vaccinated group of COVID. So, because it was two in the unvaccinated, and that's 100%. I was like, there's no way that could be true. And then he emailed me all the data. And I was like, this, because we were talking about on the podcast before I'd ever had him on, when I was still skeptical, I was like, that doesn't make sense. And Bobby reached out to me and I read it. And I was like, okay, I gotta, I gotta do a deep dive on this. Wow.
1:34:25 Speaker 00 And then I had a litigator on who was representing people against the pharmaceutical drug companies for Vioxx, when they had pushed Vioxx on people. And a guy I know, who was a former UFC fighter, he had a stroke from Vioxx. Wow. And it killed 60,000 people. And they gave them a fine.
1:34:49 Speaker 00 They gave him a fine of like $5 billion. They made 12 billion. They gave him a fine.
1:34:53 Gary Brecka? I'll pay that tomorrow.
1:34:54 Speaker 00 Yeah, what the fuck are you saying? So you profited, you profited 7 billion? Is that what you're saying? And that's okay? And you killed 60,000 people? What the fuck are you talking? And then what about the people that didn't die? Like the guy I know who had a stroke?
1:35:08 Gary Brecka? Yeah, but, but the question is, did, did they know? What did they know and when?
1:35:13 Speaker 00 They knew that they, in the emails, they were explaining how this is gonna cause problems. And these are the problem, but we think we will do very well with this.
1:35:24 Gary Brecka? No.
1:35:25 Speaker 00 Yes, it's in the emails. So all that had to come out in disclosure. It's dark stuff, man, because they've been sacrificing human beings for profit for a long time.
1:35:35 Gary Brecka? I totally agree with that.
1:35:36 Speaker 00 And, you know, one of the things, you know, that we had a discussion earlier today. We were talking about the difference between being able to do things that are sanctioned by the entire medical system versus what else can be done? And can you even recommend these things? You can't because they're outside of the boundaries of the established medical system. But, but there is science that supports these things. And you know it's beneficial to human health, but you can't prescribe these things for people. You can't tell people to do these things because it's not within the wheelhouse of what's accepted.
1:36:11 Gary Brecka? That's what we were talking about today at the, at the, at the breakfast table this morning. I mean, it's, it's, it's not that, it's sad that we have to look at conventional medicine and, and let's call it unconventional therapies as two different things. It's like, I, I, I, I sort of look at it like one cares for the host and one is going after the villain. And, and the subject we were discussing this morning. And what I find fascinating is, um, a lot of these practitioners are equally as educated. They come from the same universities. They have the same allopathic backgrounds. One goes into work in a conventional medical system. One goes into a functional medical system, but they have the same basic training. They want the same outcomes.
1:36:54 Gary Brecka? But what happens is, you know, when this box, and we'll talk about this on your podcast too, but this box gets put around a lot of physicians where, okay, here's the standard of care. Now, can you go outside of the standard care? Yes, you can, but if you do, this is where you're not covered by your malpractice. If you go outside of the standard of care and something happens to the client, well, now you're outside of the standard of care. I mean, in California, they can actually take your license for it.
1:37:17 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:37:18 Gary Brecka? Which is even crazier.
1:37:19 Speaker 00 Well, they were trying to take people's license away from here. Like, a doctor that I'm friends with out here almost lost her license because she was prescribing ivermectin during COVID, and she had to, she had to go against the board for this.
1:37:31 Gary Brecka? Now, I remember how, like, the media was hammering you for it. And, um, because you took ivermectin and...
1:37:38 Speaker 00 No, but not just that. I told them I took a whole...
1:37:40 Gary Brecka? Vitamin C, vitamin D3.
1:37:42 Speaker 00 I told them all the stuff that I took, and I was better. So instead of saying, "Hey, look, this 55-year-old guy got healthy in three days." It was three days after my initial infection that I made that video. So what did CNN do? They changed the color of my face in the video. They made my face green.
1:38:03 Gary Brecka? They did.
1:38:04 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:38:04 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:38:05 Speaker 00 You ever saw it?
1:38:06 Gary Brecka? I, I, I remember the video. I didn't know that they just made you look sickly.
1:38:10 Speaker 00 There's a comparison online. I'll show it to you.
1:38:13 Gary Brecka? That's wild.
1:38:14 Speaker 00 I'll, I'll show it to you because it's so crazy. It's so crazy. You see it, you're like, "No, is this real?"
1:38:20 Gary Brecka? Did you confront Dr. Gupta about it?
1:38:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, not, not about that. I don't think I did. I don't know if I did about that, but I definitely did about them lying.
1:38:27 Gary Brecka? It was about the CNN's coverage of it, which was pretty crazy.
1:38:32 Speaker 00 Yeah, it was kooky to be a part of it because...
1:38:36 Gary Brecka? It made you look really sick.
1:38:37 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah, so...
1:38:41 Speaker 00 The bottom is the real picture.
1:38:43 Gary Brecka? Oh!
1:38:45 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:38:45 Gary Brecka? No, dude.
1:38:46 Speaker 00 CNN, that's our trusted news network. That's America's news.
1:38:51 Gary Brecka? No way.
1:38:52 Speaker 00 They did that.
1:38:53 Gary Brecka? Dude, you look like Shrek.
1:38:54 Speaker 00 I look terrible. I look like I'm on death's door.
1:38:57 Gary Brecka? You really do.
1:38:58 Speaker 00 But on the bottom, I look rosy-faced and healthy because I fucking was. But also, hey.
1:39:05 Gary Brecka? Yellow journalism, fake news.
1:39:07 Speaker 00 Also, hey, why, if you guys care about people, why don't you say, hey, look at this guy who works out every day, takes vitamins every day, eats really healthy. Why don't more of us do what this guy's doing because obviously this, this disease was not a threat to him. So if you look at the conventional wisdom that was going around when the initial wave of COVID was going, like, everybody was in danger, but people over 50 were really in danger.
1:39:31 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:39:32 Speaker 00 So when you get someone who's over 50, who bounces back really quickly and then just tells you what they took. And you're, then you have to lie. So they didn't have anything. So because of the video went viral, so like, oh, he got better so quick. The video went viral, like, what are we gonna say? What are we gonna say? Ivermectin, he's taking horse dewarmer.
1:39:50 Gary Brecka? Horse dewarmer.
1:39:51 Speaker 00 Horse medication.
1:39:51 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:39:52 Speaker 00 But meanwhile, all it takes is a quick Google search to realize, oh, actually, it stops viral replication in vitro. It stops yellow fever, they treat malaria with it. There's all these different fucking diseases.
1:40:04 Gary Brecka? Millions of scripts have been written for it.
1:40:06 Speaker 00 Billions.
1:40:07 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:40:07 Speaker 00 Billions.
1:40:08 Gary Brecka? Millions.
1:40:08 Speaker 00 Billions of prescriptions.
1:40:10 Gary Brecka? Billions.
1:40:11 Speaker 00 And it's one of the safest drugs, as far as like safety profile, that we're aware of. It's on the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. And they tried to say it was a veterinary medicine and I was a fool. Don't look at this fool. Forget about the fact that he's healthy in three days.
1:40:25 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:40:26 Speaker 00 This guy's a loser.
1:40:27 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:40:28 Speaker 00 It was cra-.
1:40:29 Gary Brecka? Unbelievable.
1:40:30 Speaker 00 It was crazy. And then the vaccine misinformation talk, misinformation about vaccines. Bitch, I was talking to the guy who invented mRNA technology.
1:40:40 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:40:41 Speaker 00 That's where the vaccine misinformation came from. Dr. Robert Malone, he owns nine patents on the creation of vaccine, mRNA vaccine technology. And I was also talking to Dr. Peter McCullough, he was the other guy, the misinformation guy, who is the most published doctor in his field in human history.
1:41:02 Gary Brecka? That's insane.
1:41:03 Speaker 00 Rock solid physician. Most published in human history in his field.
1:41:08 Gary Brecka? Wow. Charlatan.
1:41:11 Speaker 00 It was fascinating because instead of saying, why is Joe Rogan healthy so quick? What happened? Cause it was the Delta, which is one everyone was scared of.
1:41:18 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:41:19 Speaker 00 And I was like, hey guys, I gotta cancel these. It was just me saying I gotta cancel concerts. Cause me and Dave Chappelle were supposed to be in Nashville that weekend. I was like, I gotta cancel. I'm fine. I was sick for a couple of days, but I took all this stuff. This is what I took. And I'm better. We're gonna reschedule. See you soon. And then this wave of bullshit and propaganda. And I was like, this is, and calls for me to be deplatformed.
1:41:43 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, I saw that with Spotify.
1:41:45 Speaker 00 Absolutely fascinating. Thank God Spotify is not an American company. And Daniel Ek, who runs it, is a great guy who's.
1:41:54 Gary Brecka? They stood with you.
1:41:55 Speaker 00 Yeah, but it was like, boy, the pressure.
1:41:57 Gary Brecka? Had they been an American company, they might have actually.
1:41:59 Speaker 00 Oh, if I was just on YouTube, I would have been fucked. It would have been over. They would have 100% pulled my show. I probably never would have bounced back.
1:42:07 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:42:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:42:08 Gary Brecka? That is crazy, man. And that's, that's the way that they attack that kind of information. Now you see Zuckerberg's done on 180. I've heard you talk to him.
1:42:15 Speaker 00 Well, he has to because one of the things that Trump said, that if I find out that you engaged in election interference, you're gonna be in prison for the rest of your life. And he tweeted that. And I think everybody got really fucking scared because if he won, I mean, everybody was hedging their bets. Like, Jesus, if this guy's wins, we, we could be in a real bad situation. And look, he won. And so now, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen as far as prosecutions, but there's a lot of people that did a lot of really shady shit. How about the people that are involved in that Russiagate scandal?
1:42:42 Gary Brecka? Unbelievable.
1:42:42 Speaker 00 None of those people.
1:42:43 Gary Brecka? To this day, what's, what's wild is they can't produce a single vote that they can link to being altered by a Russian.
1:42:49 Speaker 00 No.
1:42:50 Gary Brecka? Just.
1:42:51 Speaker 00 Well, not just that. The whole thing, the whole Steele dossier was financed by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Like this is, it's crazy stuff and it's right in front of everybody's face. So that was, to bring it back to your original question, that's what led me to have Trump on. I liked him. I enjoyed talking to him. We had fun. He's a fun dude, you know?
1:43:11 Gary Brecka? He rolled for three hours, like off the top of his head too.
1:43:14 Speaker 00 Yeah. I mean, he's fine. Like people think he's like mentally compromised. He's fine. I have concerns with the immigration stuff. Like, I did not like the fact that we had an open border and terrorists were flooding into the country. And not only that, they were shipping people to swing states. I'm like, and I listened to Elon talk about it, like, they're literally buying the boat, the vote. They're, they're putting up this gigantic magnet that pulls all these people in from all these countries. If you live in America, and if you make $34,000 a year, you are in the 1% of the world. That's a crazy statistic, but when people want to, oh, the 1%ers, man. 1%ers, 34 grand, which is a lot of people.
1:43:59 Speaker 00 That's a lot of people.
1:44:00 Gary Brecka? It's a lot of America.
1:44:01 Speaker 00 You make 34 grand, you're in the 1% of the world. You come here from another country and you get a construction job, you could be a 1%er. Which is so, so of course, people are coming in here from all across the country. So now this is mass deportations. My fear is that there's gonna get a lot of people that get roped up in these mass deportations that are not criminals. They're not gang members. They're just people that were unfortunate and they were born in another place where they got political asylum and they came here. That's my fear. So I'm worried about the overcorrection.
1:44:31 Gary Brecka? Right.
1:44:32 Speaker 00 You know, I, I, I do have a genuine concern about that.
1:44:34 Gary Brecka? Be narrowed down to, you know, the worst of the worst for right now.
1:44:38 Speaker 00 Supposedly. But there's a few cases. There's a gay hairdresser that supposedly was sent to the El Salvador prison, who was a guy who sought political asylum from Venezuela, and he's not a gang member at all. But, you know, I don't know, this is Glenn Greenwald.
1:44:53 Gary Brecka? You're saying deportation, but not to, obviously.
1:44:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, well, they're sending him to a fucking, a supermax in El Salvador. You know, it's kind of scary.
1:45:01 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:45:02 Speaker 00 But the, the overcorrections are a real problem. But the problem of gang members is a giant problem. And it's a giant problem that they were not just condoning, but they were putting up these sanctuary cities where they were arresting these gang members and then letting them go. The whole thing's crazy.
1:45:19 Gary Brecka? Yeah, no.
1:45:19 Speaker 00 They arrested gang members in California. They wouldn't allow the Trump administration to deport them.
1:45:23 Gary Brecka? Right.
1:45:24 Speaker 00 It's.
1:45:25 Gary Brecka? And not just arrested gang members, gang members that were actually charged with murder, for rape, for all kinds of insane crimes.
1:45:33 Speaker 00 Yes, somebody sent me this, I'm trying to remember who sent it to me. This one guy was so bad that the country that he was from would not take him back. He had so, he was such a fucking criminal, the country was like, we're not taking that guy back.
1:45:51 Gary Brecka? Come on, you just take him in your maximum security prison. They just didn't even want him there.
1:45:54 Speaker 00 They didn't even want him there. So they're probably gonna send him to El Salvador, which is, El Salvador is like, come on, we just built this amazing prison.
1:46:01 Gary Brecka? We're trying to fill it up.
1:46:03 Speaker 00 But that's the overcorrection, right? That's what people are scared of with totalitarian governments. They're scared of people going far left, and then they're scared of the rebound being far right. We really, we should be somewhere in a reasonable compassionate.
1:46:16 Gary Brecka? I think that's where most of the country is. I mean, we were talking about it on the way here. It's like, it's not freedom of choice or freedom of expression. It's infringement of choice and infringement of expression.
1:46:26 Speaker 00 Yes, yes, but it's all really about power and control, and that's what's scary about all governments.
1:46:32 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:46:32 Speaker 00 They always want more power, they always want more control.
1:46:35 Gary Brecka? And I'm highly supportive of the Maha movement and, and the idea of getting poison out of our food supply. The idea, not, not limiting choice. You wanna eat McDonald's, eat McDonald's. You wanna, they, they, if you wanna smoke a cigarette, smoke a cigarette. But if, you know, you know the consequences of those things. What, what you don't know is, you know, when I take this water out of my tap, then I'm drinking it because, you know, I live in a civilized county.
1:46:59 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:46:59 Gary Brecka? Um, I'm assuming that the government has stood in the gap and is protecting me from toxins in there, and toxins in my food supply. It doesn't mean that everything has to be organic, you can't eat an Oreo. What it means is when we, when, when we put forever chemicals in, you know, pesticides, herbicides, pesticides, preservatives, dyes, artificial flavors, artificial sweeteners. They mean these chemicals that are banned in a lot of other countries, which means that there are ways to do this that are just a lot healthier.
1:47:27 Speaker 00 Well, here's what's crazy. They're saying this is going to kill our business. Bitch, you already make them for other countries that don't have that stuff in it.
1:47:35 Gary Brecka? That's the craziest thing, right? You're already doing it. You can't even make this.
1:47:40 Speaker 00 You won't do it for us.
1:47:41 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:47:42 Speaker 00 You want to sell us the really bright red Fruit Loops.
1:47:45 Gary Brecka? Yeah. Maybe they're just not as bright, but they're, they're, they're, you know, colored with beet juice instead of red dye number three. And they're making some headway. Um, and you know, I, I pray that Bobby is successful and, and keeps a good, strong group around him. And, and I know there's a lot of influencers out there like yourself and myself that are trying to do everything we can to help support.
1:48:07 Speaker 00 I think what you do and what I do, that's the most important thing is live by example. Be, be healthy and talk about it and say, this is what I do and this, this can help you.
1:48:17 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:48:17 Speaker 00 You know, I think that's the, because the more influence you have in that regard, more people will make healthy choices. I don't want them to get rid of Doritos. I like Doritos.
1:48:26 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:48:26 Speaker 00 I know they're bad for me.
1:48:28 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:48:28 Speaker 00 But when I eat them, I'm like, oh, yum, yum, yum. But I don't eat them. I don't eat them every day.
1:48:33 Gary Brecka? MSG, MSG, MSG, MSG.
1:48:35 Speaker 00 I don't eat them every day. I eat them very, very rarely.
1:48:39 Gary Brecka? Yeah. No, I mean.
1:48:40 Speaker 00 But I do like those masa chips.
1:48:42 Gary Brecka? Dude, the masa are legit.
1:48:43 Speaker 00 Great. Because you get everything, basically you get at Doritos, not quite, but pretty close. But you don't feel bad eating them.
1:48:51 Gary Brecka? Well, I mean, they're, they're, um, non-GMO corn, grass-fed beef tallow and sea salt in their, in their basic version. And the other ones are all the spices you would recommend. But those are my kind of ingredients. Non-GMO corn, grass-fed beef tallow, sea salt. I'll take that.
1:49:05 Speaker 00 And there's Vandy chips. I think it's the same company.
1:49:08 Gary Brecka? Yes.
1:49:08 Speaker 00 Vandy. That's right. Vandy chips.
1:49:10 Gary Brecka? Those are.
1:49:10 Speaker 00 Love those.
1:49:11 Gary Brecka? Amazing.
1:49:12 Speaker 00 So good.
1:49:13 Gary Brecka? You can smash a whole bag of those, just like any.
1:49:15 Speaker 00 All the time.
1:49:16 Gary Brecka? But, but those are.
1:49:17 Speaker 00 Again, just, just potatoes and beef tallow.
1:49:21 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:49:21 Speaker 00 And salt. That's it.
1:49:22 Gary Brecka? So.
1:49:22 Speaker 00 That's what it should be. That's a potato chip.
1:49:24 Gary Brecka? Amazing. It's like, if you don't want to fuck up a ribeye, just cook it in grass-fed butter and put some Baja Gold salt on it. It'll be the best piece of steak you've ever had. You don't need all the barbecues and everything else. Just. Just grass fed butter, rib eye.
1:49:38 Speaker 00 But if you ever want a little barbecue sauce, I'm American. I believe you should have the choice to have that sweet ass barbecue sauce.
1:49:44 Gary Brecka? I do think you should have the choice.
1:49:46 Speaker 00 But if you want to have it, go have it, but just be aware that there's consequences. Like I don't drink anymore. But if I wanted to have a drink, I can. I'm not an alcoholic, but I know that it's bad for me. So I stopped drinking.
1:49:59 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:49:59 Speaker 00 But if I wanted to, like if I want to celebrate something, have a toast, who cares?
1:50:04 Gary Brecka? Right.
1:50:05 Speaker 00 Just don't do it all the time. It's like the same thing with almost everything.
1:50:09 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I agree. I agree.
1:50:10 Speaker 00 Have a piece of cake every now and then.
1:50:11 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:50:12 Speaker 00 It's not bad for you, but don't eat cake every fucking meal. That's crazy.
1:50:15 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:50:15 Speaker 00 That's not good for you.
1:50:16 Gary Brecka? But people do.
1:50:18 Speaker 00 They do. But this is what's I think the best thing about what you do. It's like live by example, talk about what's healthy. And then the more people hear it and then they start to act upon that and then they start feeling better. And once you start feeling better, like, man, I don't want to slip back because this I've lost 20 pounds. I'm feeling great. Like I have a buddy of mine, uh, my buddy, John Reeves, who lives up in Alaska. He runs that thing. You ever hear about the boneyard in Alaska?
1:50:41 Gary Brecka? Mm hmm.
1:50:42 Speaker 00 He's got this incredible land. It's got all these woolly mammoths died on it for some reason, and they have
1:50:47 Gary Brecka? Really?
1:50:48 Speaker 00 Thousands of tusks. It's a, you never heard of the place?
1:50:50 Gary Brecka? No.
1:50:50 Speaker 00 I'll show, I'll show you some
1:50:51 Gary Brecka? Boneyard?
1:50:52 Speaker 00 The, the Boneyard Alaska is his Instagram page, but he's got this insane piece of, he's a gold miner. And they find all this shit and they found this one area that's only a few acres that seems to align with this, um, it seems to align with this mass extinction event thing.
1:51:14 Gary Brecka? Really?
1:51:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, because they're finding all this stuff in a very small area of like a few acres where they found thousands and thousands of bones.
1:51:22 Gary Brecka? Really?
1:51:23 Speaker 00 Yeah. So this is his, uh,
1:51:25 Gary Brecka? Why would everyone be there?
1:51:27 Speaker 00 Because they're, they're also find carbon, like a thick layer of carbon, like where there was a massive burn somewhere around 10,000, 11,000 years ago. So they find all these woolly mammoth tusks all over the place. And they're in the permafrost. So they hose them out of the permafrost with high pressure hoses. And then they pulled them. He has warehouses filled with these tusks and bones. Not only that, they've identified animals that weren't even supposed to be living in Alaska.
1:51:55 Gary Brecka? Wow.
1:51:55 Speaker 00 Yeah, they've.
1:51:56 Gary Brecka? Where's he getting the money to harvest all this?
1:51:57 Speaker 00 He's rich.
1:51:58 Gary Brecka? Oh, he's.
1:51:59 Speaker 00 He's the biggest landowner in Alaska. He's awesome.
1:52:02 Gary Brecka? So this is a labor of love for.
1:52:04 Speaker 00 He's just doing it for fun.
1:52:05 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:52:05 Speaker 00 And, you know, he's got an enormous, uh, collection of this stuff.
1:52:10 Gary Brecka? Wow, that's.
1:52:11 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's incredible. But he's been on the carnivore diet over the last month. He lost thirty eight pounds. So he's like so excited.
1:52:19 Gary Brecka? Oh, is this him?
1:52:20 Speaker 00 Yeah, he's a giant dude.
1:52:22 Gary Brecka? Okay. Yeah, wow.
1:52:24 Speaker 00 Awesome guy.
1:52:25 Gary Brecka? Yeah, carnivore diet would do him good.
1:52:27 Speaker 00 Yeah, so he quit smoking because he was dying. Went to the doctor, the doc's like, you gotta quit smoking. He goes, I just did. So he quit smoking.
1:52:34 Gary Brecka? Just cold turkey?
1:52:35 Speaker 00 Yep, just cold turkey right there. And then, uh, started being healthy and.
1:52:40 Gary Brecka? Good for him.
1:52:40 Speaker 00 Now he's lost a ton of weight.
1:52:41 Gary Brecka? This is wild. Dana's got a skull like this in his, in his office.
1:52:44 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:52:45 Gary Brecka? Big, like a saber tooth.
1:52:46 Speaker 00 Tiger, yeah, I have. It's incredible.
1:52:48 Gary Brecka? It's one of like two or three in the world.
1:52:53 Speaker 00 Oh, really?
1:52:53 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, there's not many of the ones.
1:52:55 Speaker 00 Oh, intact, fully intact?
1:52:56 Gary Brecka? Fully intact, I think it's perfect. That's pretty, pretty wild.
1:53:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:53:00 Gary Brecka? Um, but.
1:53:01 Speaker 00 But he's another guy. It's like, you know, his whole life has been smoking, not paying, not taking care of himself, drinking. And now he says, all right, we'll see. And he's like, I feel fucking great.
1:53:11 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:53:11 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:53:12 Gary Brecka? And the nice thing about the human body is its capacity to really bounce back. I mean, you know, never counted down. I've, I've, I've actually seen, um, you know, liver shrink to the size of your fist completely regenerate.
1:53:23 Speaker 00 Really?
1:53:23 Gary Brecka? I mean, I've seen the radiographic images of, of, of these things with, with stem cell treatments and, and, and therapies, I feel like.
1:53:31 Speaker 00 Otherwise, we'd all be dead.
1:53:32 Gary Brecka? Yeah, yeah, I mean, exactly. If the liver couldn't regenerate, yeah.
1:53:37 Speaker 00 We'd all be dead if, if, if the human body didn't have an amazing capacity to heal.
1:53:41 Gary Brecka? Yeah.
1:53:41 Speaker 00 We'd all be fucked.
1:53:42 Gary Brecka? Yeah, I agree. Um, well, Joe, this has been amazing, man. Um, I, I definitely want to come and chop it up with you again. Um, did we leave anything out?
1:53:52 Speaker 00 I don't think so. If we did, we're gonna do my podcast this week.
1:53:55 Gary Brecka? Okay, so we're doing your podcast this week. We covered the woolly mammoths, we covered the.
1:53:58 Speaker 00 Basically everything.
1:54:00 Gary Brecka? I wind down all of my podcasts by asking the same question. Um, there's no right or wrong answer.
1:54:05 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:54:05 Gary Brecka? Question. Um, and it's, what, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?
1:54:14 Speaker 00 I never really thought of that. Um, well, I think if you're doing your best in all areas of life, I mean, you should be doing your best to be a nice person. You should be doing your best to be educated and to be charitable and compassionate and understand things to the best of your ability. And then be as healthy as you can, you know, figure out what you have to do to manage your mind, manage your body and your life. Just put in the work, figure it out. And if you do that, you will be happier and healthier. Not just healthily healthier physically, but
1:54:54 Speaker 00 healthier mentally, which will definitely help you become healthier physically. It's just about having this mindset that you want to do your best. You want to do your best with life. You want to like, you have a short amount of time. I'm 57 years old. So I'm at the best case scenario, I'm halfway dead. You know, best case. I mean, if I make it to, I mean, if I make it to 120 years old, holy shit, the last 20 years are going to be rough. Unless, unless there's some incredible scientific breakthroughs, which it seems like there are. Do your best. You don't, you know, you want to enjoy this. Enjoy this
1:55:36 Speaker 00 life. And if you're healthy, physically and mentally, you'll, you'll have a better life.
1:55:42 Gary Brecka? Totally agree with you. Joe, appreciate you so much.
1:55:45 Speaker 00 Thank you, brother. Appreciate you very much.
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