Rift Inside the Trump Administration on CHINA | EYES ON PODCAST

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• 2:11Speaker 02

  Busy, I mean, it kind of slowed down over the holiday break and then it's kind of picked up domestically and also, you know, gearing up for the new administration. Um, there was some word, Mick, you want to talk about like what the China plan is going to look like in the new administration and uh, if there's a little bit of a schism in the administration in terms of what side wants to do, wants to defend Taiwan, what side doesn't want to defend Taiwan, if if it were to come to that. And yeah, I'll let you rock and roll.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, yeah, Happy New Years, fellows. Happy New Years to everybody uh in the audience. Um, I think the biggest thing going on right now in the national security realm is trying to predict or at least uh try to guess how um, policy will change, foreign policy in particular, of course, um, with the transition between the Biden administration to the second Trump administration. So on the China front, uh, having got a call from somebody who remain nameless, uh, but was okay with the discussion, saying that, you know, there is a,

• 3:20Speaker 03

  uh, he didn't call it a schism, so I will call it more of a debate already in the transition team on the national security side on how they're going to go about the strategic competition with China. You know, there's a pretty significant element uh within the Trump team that is what I would call China hawks. So they are wanting to put uh, maximum effort on the strategic competition with China, which means defending our allies in the region, of course, Japan, for example, uh, the Philippines, for example, and also um, the defense of Tai- Taiwan.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Uh, specifically, you know, beyond just the legal requirement under the Tai- Taiwan Support Act. Uh, so there's those that want to get more aggressive and spend more of our resources and in uh, contribute more of our resources to the Indo-Pacific. And then there's an element in there that I would just call more on the business side, which could include, you know, Elon Musk and others that have a substantial influence with the administration on not tweaking China too much. Now, I would imagine that there's, it's not an either or, there's probably good arguments and good points on both sides of this.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  We're intimately tied to China when it comes to global economics.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  But it's apparently already become an issue with, I think Senator Rubio, likely the next Secretary of State, being more on the China hawk side, that's my characterization, and others that have direct influence on President Trump, potentially not completely aligning with what they intend to do. So it's going to be interesting, I think, on that front, on just what we do.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think, sorry, go ahead.

• 5:17Speaker 05

  No, I was just gonna ask, is there any indication on which way President Trump is leaning?

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Good question, Jason, that's exactly what I asked him. Now, to be fair, he's biased, he is a China hawk. So he thinks that President Trump's firmly in their camp, but does have a much more pragmatic view of a strategy or a policy when it comes to this, that he won't like fully commit either way, he will make the decision as, as it plays out, and he's going to listen to all sides. So I think they realize, they being the China hawks, that they're gonna have to make their case continuously, which may make it a little bit difficult for a long-term strategy, but that's just the way President Trump, you know, has done in the past and likely is gonna do it again.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  So it's gonna be, it's gonna be something that might not be either or, and it might change as the circumstances change. Of course, all these tariffs that might come out could force this into a, a significant competition, right? So a tense competition, for sure.

• 6:26Speaker 05

  Thank you. Sorry, Andy, go ahead.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  No, I was just saying that, that, you know, if all the... Of all the global threats that most threaten to pull the United States into, you know, out and out war, peer on peer, it's certainly Taiwan. And it's kind of interesting. I mean, the Biden administration never really abandoned the policy of strategic ambiguity. Right. But they, you know, Biden kind of edged forward in some of the things that he was saying that coming bordering on the United States is committed to defend Taiwan. He never actually came out and said that.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  But, um, but Rubio and, um, and, and the other guy is Walz have been pushing for strategic clarity, you know, to, to actually declare that the U S will back Taiwan in the event of attempted Chinese invasion. And whether or not you believe, you know, the prognosis of the commander of Indo PECOM, who said recently that he expected that, you know, China would by the end of the decade try and invade Taiwan. Um, certainly there are indications that Xi is, is edging towards, if not out and out confrontation, certainly rampant, you know, upping the ante by, you know, by declaring

• 7:52Speaker 04

  that, that Taiwan is, you know, renegade state, uh, that the, you know, the premier there has been, um, has been intolerably belligerent. You know, all of these things, it's not just the rhetoric, the fact that China's stepped up its patrols and the air sea patrols that it's, you know, it's old news that it's been building bases on reclaimed land, you know, along the, the nine dash line. I mean, it without being kind of Chicken Little, it does seem as though some really hard decisions are going to be made. And I think central to those decisions are this question of whether you, the U S is going to kind of.

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• 10:02Speaker 04

  Go on pretending that, or being opaque about its intentions should China actually invade Taiwan, or whether they will kind of jump on, whether Trump will jump on the platform of out-and-out, saying out-and-out commitment to defend Taiwan. Which honestly, I've got to say, it's just difficult to imagine, isn't it? That any administration, we talked about this before, would commit US troops, US lives to the defense of Taiwan. And I can't imagine, you know, I'm not coming down either way on this, but I can't imagine that the American public would support such a thing.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  And it seems to fly in the face of what Trump has been saying about not wanting to be involved in wars overseas.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  That's a good point. It's it's one thing to have these discussions inside the, you know, the DC Beltway. It's another to try to convince the American people that they need to commit a substantial amount of force to be able to defend Taiwan. And all the war games, some of them I think have been reported in the media, they play this scenario out. It's not good. I mean, we win in these scenarios. I'm one of a pure victory in the sense that we lose a lot of troops, we use a lot of ships, a lot of aircraft. Taiwan gets decimated, Japan potentially as well, and China, of course, is the biggest loser in it. But I guess you could say everybody could be a loser in it. And then,

• 11:37Speaker 03

  of course, at risk, an all out, which would be an all out war between two superpowers, nuclear superpowers. So it's a huge, it's it's one thing to have a policy discussion in a think tank at DC. It's another one to see this actually play out. And I think Eddie makes a good point. I mean, when the American people start hearing discussions about the US going to war for Taiwan, they're going to start looking at a map and say, what's this Taiwan? Right? Because it's a, it's, it's not, it's not an easy decision. That's for sure.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, it'll take something dramatic to happen in like, you know, an aircraft carrier sinking or something like that to get the US, just like how nine 11 happened, to get the US electorate or populace to be like, yeah, let's go for it. Like, it would have to be, oh, yeah, we need to get some payback. Because that's pretty, that's how it goes with the US for the most part. It's like, you know, if we look, we're seen to have been attacked in any way, we're like, okay, it's time to let it rip.

• 12:44Speaker 04

  But the really tough part.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Corrective strike, that would be changed, I agree, Dean. All right, Andy, go ahead.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, the really tough part about the Taiwan question is the fact that we cannot prevent an invasion of Taiwan. We can respond to one, but we, you know, we, we, there's just no way that we can get forces in place to prevent crossing, you know, that the Taiwan Strait. I mean, China will have, I mean, it's, it's going to be up to what is on the island now for the initial defense. I'm not saying it's going to be easy for China to gain a, you know, a lodgment, the beachhead. But nevertheless, it's likely to happen before we can get forces into the region. So you see what I'm saying? It's,

• 13:33Speaker 04

  it's going to take a conscious decision to respond rather than us to responding to a US attack on, I mean, to a Chinese attack on US forces, which would be easier to back with the American public. It's going to be, you know, the Chinese are going to have, be able to present us with facts on the ground. Yes, the, the fighting will be fierce, it'll be ongoing. The Chinese will take tremendous casualties crossing the strait. But nothing there now and nothing within range can prevent them from doing that, from at least seizing a bridgehead. I mean, that's, I'm not an expert on this, but I think that's what the war games suggest. And so it's going to be up to the US to respond and in a, to dislodge them.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  And that's a really, that's not only politically tough, it's a military tough proposition.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, the second scenario is it wouldn't be an all out invasion. It could be some kind of attempt to isolate Taiwan.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Blockade, yeah.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Blockade, which then the US would have to make the determination of whether to,

• 14:38Speaker 03

  you know, run that blockade.

• 14:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, in which case we would still have to, to make an aggressive move or an offensive move.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  I got a question, uh, like if the US comes out in a strong, you know, comes out in strong support of like, we will do what it takes to defend Taiwan, whether it's blockade or actual invasion, does that do enough to deter China from doing it?

• 15:06Speaker 02

  It's a speculative question, but.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  That's the question that Andy was talking about, strategic ambiguity or strategic clarity, right? It's been, we often do the strategic ambiguity, just don't tell them and they can guess. But many argue, why would do that? Why not be, you know, clarify? I guess the question is, if you clarify, you better be willing to back it up, right? Because you can't do that many, too often before people just don't care whether you're, what you're saying, you know, back up what you say.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  It's, it is a tough question. I mean, arguably, do you remember the invasion of, you know, I know Dee was not born then, but the invasion of Kuwait back in 1990.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  I was born then.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  I mean, I was five, but.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  But in, you know, in any case, so the, the, the argument was that, I mean, the, the strong argument was that the, the US was not clear enough about how it would react, you know, and the ambassador in Baghdad was actually blamed for being ambiguous when Saddam Hussein started ranting about what he intended to do in Kuwait. So, you know, strategic ambiguity does not, sometimes counts against us, but as Mick points out, this is such an enormous decision. And if we commit to it, then we really have to commit to it. And, and announcing it, I think, I think one of the reasons why we haven't announced it isn't just because we don't want to be tied to it. It's, it's the enormity of the

• 16:41Speaker 04

  announcement to the American public, right? I mean, as long as we're ambiguous, it doesn't become front and center as a, as a domestic issue, or I mean, a, an issue for the electorate. But once we announce it, it certainly does. And it's a very easy, very easy stance to attack.

• 17:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the, and the reference you just made, Andy, I believe Saddam, he stated that he thought that gave him tacit approval.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Imp ambiguity, obviously, that wasn't the case, but that's the risk of not being really clear with what you'll do. But it does kind of lock you in.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  What other ways is, uh, can we kind of deter it without being like, yeah, well, we'll straight up send five carrier groups and fuck you guys up, you know what I mean? Like, what are like the economic ways or diplomatic ways you can put pressure on China to like, not invade Taiwan?

• 17:43Speaker 04

  You, you can make Taiwan very, very tough to swallow. You know, that's probably, I mean militarily, that's, that's one of the things, the, the only things we can do is really, you know, take a, uh, we, if, if we're still sticking to strategic ambiguity, we nevertheless put facts on the ground. Um, helping Taiwan build its defenses, um, building a, uh,

• 18:08Speaker 04

  a militia, you know, Taiwan's already working on this, but that, that, you know, prepared to go underground and make the seizure of any part of Taiwan extremely painful for China, you know, all of those efforts are kind of playing. I mean, they're, they're playing in the gray zone, which is playing China's game, but they're sending, they're sending a very clear message to China without coming out and saying anything.

• 18:33Speaker 04

  You know, putting US soft on, you know, I'm laughing because of all the, the media attention that this has already received, but US off on the island now, um, to, to help train and, and prepare. And of course, you know, what we are doing to an extent, which is giving Taiwan, um, top end weapon systems, specifically designed to, to repel an amphibious and airborne assault.

• 19:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think they were calling it the porcupine, um, strategy. You know, you're going to get it, but you're going to hurt, you know?

• 19:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's the Taiwan Relations Act. I'm looking at it here, 1979. It doesn't require that we come to their defense militarily, but it does require that we provide Taiwan with the military capacity to resist, you know, any attempt to remove them from power and take over Taiwan. So that is, that is something we have legally required ourselves to do. And that's, I think, going to your point, Andy, is that we're going to make them so

• 19:42Speaker 03

  difficult to actually militarily dominate that China will hopefully not decide to do that.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  So who's the, who's the prick in the Trump transition team that doesn't want to go get tough on China? You could say is

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Uh, so, no, I didn't. No, he didn't. The person I was talking to was China.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  No, yeah, I figured that, yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think he's referred to as the business side of this, which is obviously important as well. It's not all military, right? There's an economic component in, he didn't reference, so I'm referencing, you know, that there's people that have significant influence with the president that have significant

• 20:23Speaker 04

  interests.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  Interest in the China relationship. And obviously Elon Musk is one of them, right? That's a

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Commerce Secretary, what's his name, Lutnik? Could be, I mean, has, has talked about striking a, striking a deal approach to China.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  I'm just guessing here, but yeah, there's

• 20:47Speaker 02

  I mean, of course, it's Elon Musk. He's got the biggest voice. I mean, the move is to definitely just put that rift there. It's going to happen at some point between Musk and Trump. You know, they're just two, two two narcissists that can't, will not get along over the long haul. And that's the move. If they're doing that, they should be doing that internally. If I were them, doing whatever I can to make them. Break up, for lack of a better term. I mean, right, everyone's waiting for that explosion that, that, you know, those fireworks, when it, when it eventually happens, I try to rush that as soon as possible if I were them. Because he does have a significant interest in China. It's a huge market for you.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, and I think that's, that, I mean, it's, it's gonna be something that plays out. There's no, I don't think there's gonna be a straight line. I think there's gonna be multiple decision points and we'll see how it goes. But they, you know, the, the China Hawks have been a big part of the right side of the political national security spectrum for a while. So they're, they're pretty excited about this. And I guess they get, they were surprised by the parent early pushback.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  Uh, well, you know, ten deep before we, uh, if we leave the, the topic, one, one thing that hasn't been talked about, and I think maybe because it kind of flies in the face of, uh, Trump's ostensible distrust of alliances, uh, of committing to alliances. But one thing that we haven't really done is focus on a network of bilateral relations in the Pacific. You know, there's no, there's no organization that parallels NATO there, and it would be hard to start one. Uh, but you know, we, we're in a strong position to establish these bilateral relations. And that is what China's working on right now.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  You know, China is simultaneously defending its position along the nine dash line, but at the same time, uh, working, you know, on appeasing, um, some of the major players in the region, Japan, um, Korea, South Korea. Uh, and, and so we need to play that game more. And, uh, and we have plenty to offer. I'm, I'm just, we, you know, we all this empty talk about pivot to Asia over a decade ago, but we really have done very little to, to back that up. Now would be the time.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  And you could do it both security wise and economic wise to create these alliances. And the US, as my former boss, I used to say, and maybe all our former bosses, Secretary Mattis, is the US always fights with a coalition, right? So coalitions are built of alliances and it's just part of, it's always been part of warfare. It's not like it's a modern thing. So, yeah, I think, I think you're right. President Trump looks at a lot of these

• 23:44Speaker 03

  with some skepticism. Sometimes that's good because they wake up and realize that they got to start contributing more to the alliance itself, right? And, you know, but I, hopefully, the, the traditionalist, I would say, in his administration can really highlight the importance of these alliances when it comes to competing with China, because China certainly realizes how important they are.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  And the time is right, especially with the Philippines and Vietnam. You know, I mean, Vietnam, do you remember when we pulled out of Longapo? I think it was way back in the, in the early nineties. I mean, we pulled out of Clark and Subic Bay in the Philippines. And then, under Duterte, we, we didn't have a great relationship with the Philippines. But now, under Marcos, Bong Bong Marcos, with all the Chinese that are doing, they're, you know, they're reaching out to us again. And, and Vietnam has done for a long time. I mean, that would be a great place to establish a base, as ironic though it may seem. I mean, Camran Bay, no longer called that, I know, but would be a superb location to have a US Navy base.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  And that would send the Chinese up the wall if we establish, you know, we large the Pacific Fleet back in the Philippines and Vietnam, right on their doorstep. And it would also help solve some of the distance, time distance problems for a defense of Taiwan, or the, you know, counterattack of Taiwan.

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• 26:42Speaker 03

  They're taking notes.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  We're stacking all our eggs in South Korea and Japan, in areas that are heavily targeted by the Chinese. And I think, my feeling is, we should diversify and take advantage of, particularly in the case of Vietnam. And I think economically and everything, that would be just a great location. How ironic, too. They kick our ass, but in the end, we get.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  We're back.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, 50 years, 60 years on, we get what we needed as a bollock against communism in a communist country.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Anything else you guys got on China?

• 27:35Speaker 03

  I mean, we'll have a lot more to say on China as we go forward.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, we covered it all.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  The next big thing, of course, is what's gonna happen with Iran.

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• 28:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's kind of like, yeah.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  It seems like the administration's a little bit more on lockstep in terms of being more hawkish on Iran.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  At least from like the reporting and like the messaging coming out of them.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  I mean, Iran is actually like it seems to be on the back foot, right? Hezbollah is decimated. Hamas is decimated. The Houthis, it looks like we're gonna like, I think we just hit the Houthis again. We're gonna, they're gonna be in our crosshairs again. And I guess the big worry for that, like, you know, if I'm if I'm the regime in Iran, I'm thinking about nuclear weapons too, right? Like, what's gonna secure my regime? And it seems like that might be the only move, but you know, so what are you guys seeing on that?

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Well, if you look at the Axios report,

• 29:15Speaker 03

  National Security Advisor Solomon briefed President Biden about a month ago. All the options to either eliminate or significantly reduce their nuclear capacity because in the last four years, they've really advanced it. I think their threshold nuclear state right now is official talk. And I think the IAEA said that they have enough enriched uranium for.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Nuclear weapons. Now, that's obviously a horrible thing. I do believe, and I'm only doing this based on reporting I've seen in the media, that we think it would still take a year to make the nuclear detonating explosion device that would have to go with the uranium. So, I'm not a nuclear scientist here, but, um, so we still have some time. But the concern, of course, as we laid it out, is they've lost their proxy forces, or at least they're, they're significantly degraded. Why not go for a nuclear weapon? We have to be ready, I think, to be able to take that focused military action to deny them of that, if

• 30:24Speaker 03

  that's what the intel says they're gonna do. And I think there's a very real chance that they are gonna try that. So this is more than theoretical. This could happen in short order if the intel says they're racing toward a deliverable nuclear weapon.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Andy?

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I, I don't, I don't know. I, it's, I really don't. It's, um, it, it seems like a matter of time before Israel strikes against Iran's nuclear capability. I mean, but there have been several points where the time seemed optimal. Netanyahu was advised by his, you know, his own generals to do so, and he didn't. Um, and, uh, you know, there, there's a lot of, there's a complexity with Netanyahu. I mean, he's become, you know, we see him as the hawk of Gaza. This is neither a defense or an attack on Netanyahu. I'm just saying, you know, he's seen now as the hawk of Gaza, but traditionally,

• 31:28Speaker 04

  he has opposed getting bogged down in major military strikes or wars, uh, because he's seen how that leads to the demise of politicians in Israel. Um, but definitely, there's, and there's a, a school of thought within the Israeli High Command that, uh, no time is better than now, uh, to, to go after the Iranian nuclear program. We've talked about this before, and I think, uh, part of the question is, uh, perhaps, you know, they're waiting for the, the new administration to come in where they perhaps think that they're going to get a green light, um, because President Trump has indicated that he will give them one. So.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  I don't know, but it seems like that's that could be one of the preconditions that they are waiting for. In other words, this may not be a wholly US decision. This may be simply just giving the naughty Israelis. The second question, of course, is can they do it alone? And it it used to be, you know, the the consensus used to be, no, they cannot. But they did execute a remarkably complex airstrike, air campaign. Actually, two of them in in the last few months, one on Iran involving over a hundred planes to include F thirty fives,

• 32:45Speaker 04

  where they totally penetrated the Iranian Iads and supposedly knocked out all their S three hundred radar. In other words, blinding, you know, blinding them. And the other was the the recent one in Syria, which was actually the largest air campaign Israel has conducted since the seventy three wall. It didn't exactly go under the radar, but it wasn't heavily reported here in the States. But that was a bit. So what I'm saying is that they, you know, when you look at all the capabilities, ground penetrating, you know, deep bunker penetrating bombs, aerial refueling, stealth technology.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  They have leapt far ahead, far ahead of where they were a decade ago.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  I think that's a fair point, especially the fact that they've depleted the air missile offensive Iran, which is the biggest factor when it comes to taking this right. And then the question is, do they have the proper munitions, you already referenced it, to be able to do this right? That's why the US is going to have to make a determination on whether we get involved. Because if we don't get involved, if we do get involved, the chances of success are high. And if Israel does it alone, don't we still have the same consequences? Like, that's a question that the US is going to have to ask itself if Israel's going to do this alone.

• 34:10Speaker 05

  So given their capability that they've proven they can they have and can use. Is there a red line where they will not even wait for a decision from us? Not not our permission, just a decision and say, we're just gonna do it. Because I mean, obviously, they're the closest geographically and they're probably the target. So I just wonder if there's a, hey, Iran is at our intel shows Iran is at this point in the process. We're not waiting anymore for US to give us a, you know, green light.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  I think so. I think that's right, Jason. I think they probably already relayed that red line to us. I don't know that it's, you know, I don't know what it is. But certainly where they think that they cannot control it and it's close to happening. And of course, they could get an injection of from Russia or others in in technology that could speed this up. So this is all gonna, I think, be intel driven. And I there probably is a point where Israel would would do it regardless of our even even political support. But they would certainly hope. And then, of course, this leads to can we get a grand bargain? Can we get another agreement that deals not only with the nuclear weapons issue in Iran, but also their support for proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas, the Houthis,

• 35:27Speaker 03

  of which they could get full sanction relief, you know, obviously have be something in it for them. Could we get to a point now that they feel so vulnerable that they would be willing, willing to do that? I think that's another factor that incoming administration is gonna be looking at. Are we gonna have negotiations? Are they willing to like really have these negotiations and verifiable proof that they're not going toward, you know, a weapon system over and over? And then are we willing to believe the sanctions? Because that's what they're gonna wanna see.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  I got a question for you guys. What do you guys, what was your take on the Obama administration's deal? The nuclear deal they deal with them? Was that good, not good? I mean, I'm sure it had its pros and cons, but would they be at this point right now where they're six months to a year away from a deliverable nuclear weapon? If we stayed in it?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  That's a, you know, it's a fair point. I think to look at both sides, the JCPOA was an agreement that focused on their nuclear intentions and the critics would say did not address the malign activities of proxy force, which made it, you know, not a, not a perfect agreement. The supporters would say, yes, but it did curtail their nuclear ambitions. So getting out of it, um, the argument would go is that you could have addressed the proxy malign activities separately, um, but we didn't. And obviously that's only gone up, right? The attacks from Hezbollah and Moss since we got out gone up exponentially.

• 37:03Speaker 03

  But the question is, since that's water under the bridge, um, if we do another agreement, I think everybody would agree it should include both because that's what it failed at before. It's all depending on whether Iran wants to, wants to include both and then they're willing to, and they, they might because they're super unpopular back home. They literally can't keep the lights on in a country that produces a substantial amount of energy and their economy is in somewhat freefall. So it might be a perfect opportunity, but I think everybody would agree, even the supporters of the JCPOA, it should include, it should be a comprehensive agreement.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a good, really good point. Mick brought up about the, the, the regime's sensitivity to its own citizenry is surprisingly high. In other words, they, they are concerned about the, you know, feeling of the population towards the administration and they were alarmed, you know, they had kind of these, um, uh, half sham elections that, that, and, and there was, uh, the regional elections which were held last year and there was a really, really low turnout and that concerned the regime. And there's a, there's a bubbling discontent for some time against all this adventurism abroad. And a lot of it, as Mick's pointed

• 38:26Speaker 04

  out, is driven by the economic freefall that the Iranian population know it feels. That they're in um and and and so sanctions relief will be a big one. It is a big incentive and we should certainly use it. And and the other piece, I I agree with me on Jipoa, you know, pros and cons. It it was. It it was poorly framed and poorly enforced, but one thing it did do was it gave us. Access and a certain amount of visibility to Iran's nuclear program. Okay, yes, things can always be hidden, but it but since we pulled out, it's been we we have no visibility at all. It's become absolutely opaque.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Uh, and so, you know, I mean, any any sort of engagement is, I think, is better than none uh to to an extent.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  And it's concerning. I mean, it's like, you you know, as much as I. As much as I hate the Russia, I mean, I hate the Russians. I shouldn't say this, right? As much as I I'm distrustful of Russia or anything. You know, it was a big loss to us when we we we could no longer communicate with Russian military in Syria. Um, you know, all the any any any sort of open communication lines at whatever level with potential adversaries can only be positive.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  All right, plans for Ukraine. What's going on? There's a new push that they just uh got into to curse uh that supposedly Russians are retreating a bit. Um, is this a move because Trump's coming in and they're gonna try and freeze the lines? So keep a little bit of Russia while Russia keeps a whole lot of Ukraine? Is that part of it?

• 40:10Speaker 03

  I think there's a lot of maneuvering right now. I think there's a lot of maneuvering to try to get ahead of what. They they think it's gonna happen, which is negotiations based on uh General Kellogg's plans, or I'm sure he's. Uh, obviously working with an incoming president. The idea, I think, right now would be to freeze the lines at where they are. Doesn't mean that Ukraine concedes the 20% of Ukraine that they've taken. But it does essentially stop the fighting. What does Ukraine get out of it? Well, they should get some kind of security guarantee. If that's not part of the deal, I don't see them agreeing with it. But I do think President Zelensky realizes it's going to be extraordinarily difficult

• 40:55Speaker 03

  to militarily take back the 20% that Russia's currently occupied. So what is it from his perspective that he loses by freezing the conflict? Getting the security guarantee and then building up his defenses to ensure that no more of Ukraine could be taken by the Russians? Again, not conceding that part of Ukraine is currently being occupied by an unlawful invasion of Russia. Now, I don't know. I mean, it seems like President Zelensky is really talking about this as a viable option. I think the question is, will Putin? Will Putin accept that as a viable option? Will he be able to sell that to whoever he thinks he needs to sell it to?

• 41:38Speaker 03

  This was all worth it to get that part of Ukraine. And now there's some kind of security guarantee for Ukraine.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Will he be the one that actually hems and haws on doing this? I think the one thing that could really push him to not is for the US to say, "Okay, if you don't, then we're going to double the security assistance." You've got to have a stick, right? You can't just rely on Putin to be a fair broker of this ceasefire agreement. So we're going to have to be ready to tell him that we're going to open the floodgates of support if he doesn't. So it has to be some consequences to his not participating in this agreement, if that's where we're going.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Andy?

• 42:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I mean, at risk of sounding like I'm echoing Mick, I couldn't agree more that there has to be, part of the agreement has to be that we continuously reinforce Ukraine during a, during this, this phase of frozen conflict of negotiation, because that's the only, that's the only thing that Putin is going to pay attention to.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  You know, right now, Ukraine does have an incentive to, to make peace and despite, you know, the incredible fighting they've been doing for the last two and a half years, their biggest problem right now is manpower. They are really hurting at the front. Their units are way under capacity. They have problems with desertion as, you know, I mean, which is just not surprising when you think what a meat grinder the front is there. And it's becoming increasingly difficult to hold the line. And, you know, while everyone applauds quite rightly what they're doing in Russia itself, both drone strikes, sabotage, assassinations, and what they've done in Kursk, these things are kind of sideshows.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  They're not going to have a strategic effect. And, and in the theater that matters, or the, you know, the battleground that matters, that is in Donbass and that matters to, to Russia and Russia's plans, they are, they're still giving ground. Pokrovsk is holding.

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• 45:24Speaker 04

  ... gone, you know, by its fingernails. And the, the, the streets of Pokrovsk now are just impossible because of the Russian drones. You know, I don't know if you're, you're tracking this, but the population are sheltering in cellars and have been doing, doing so for weeks, those who haven't been able to evacuate. And the Russians are closing, you know, they're, they're closing the noose on Pokrovsk. Pokrovsk is the large, last major town, and it's a very important one. I mean, I mean, before Krematorsk. And it's a very important one. It's a railway hub, and it's been a mainstay of logistic and manpower supply for the, for the Ukrainians so far in the war.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  And if it falls, that is, that's very serious for them. And there is no doubt about it, that that is the Russian plans to, to make it fall as soon as possible, certainly before talks begin for a possible ceasefire.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Jay, anything?

• 46:24Speaker 05

  No, I, I, when it comes to this kind of stuff, I'm just, I'm learning from these gents. But I, as an outsider, you know, a neophyte, I, I agree that any kind of talk should include us continuously.

• 46:40Speaker 05

  Arming and supporting them because I feel like if we don't and the whatever the talks break down, they're just gonna be on the back foot. So.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  So I got a question about in terms of that. What are the chances that's part of that's something we could commit in terms of like if you know, will we will support you militarily or you know, whether it's anything logistics, whatever you call, name it. What are the I mean, it barely got through Congress this time, this past time with the new administration. I feel like it would be uphill, an uphill battle to get that guarantee in there from us on our side.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Well, certainly if President Trump was pushing it, that would help, right?

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Of course, yeah.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  I'm sure somebody's gonna tell him like, Mr. President, this is on you now. So do you want to be the president that loses Ukraine to Russia? I don't think he does. And if he supports this and it's Putin that is the problem, under the scenario I'm laying out, then if President Trump is telling the Republicans, who there's plenty of Russian hawks that are still Republicans.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  I think I think you'd have all the Democrats, you'd already have the traditional Republican. I just call him Reagan type national security types. And then President Trump's influence over the the MAGA folks, I think, could push this over the line, especially if it's part of a strategy to push Putin to the table, right? Because if he's not coming to the table because he doesn't believe he believes that our support is going to wane and potentially even go away. But obviously, this this idea that he's gonna President Trump's gonna actually end the conflict is not gonna happen. It's gonna it's gonna take his direct involvement, I think.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  So he's the guy they need to they need to convey. I mean, it makes sense. He's the president, right? He and he runs that party with an iron fist. Let's be real. They would all fall in line if he were to come out strongly in terms of like supporting Ukraine or whatever that number is, or in terms of material or whatever. So there's one guy.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  It'd be enough.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  It'd be it'd be enough to to put to get the security assistance approved through both the House and I think.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree. Um, all right. So switching back towards like us domestically into, you know, we've seen what's happened the last week with the New Year's Day attacks and stuff ISIS inspired and another one was a both former US Army soldiers, um, both, I guess radicalized in their own way because for you to go to the point where you're blowing yourself up to send the message, um, something's gone wrong. Um, we just had this note, the overall terrorist threat in the US has, I mean, I don't think it's ever gone away really, um, since nine 11. I think it probably has gone up since nine 11, if I'm being honest. Uh, what do you think? I mean, Mick, Jay, you guys are the

• 49:40Speaker 02

  experts.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  I, I, yeah, I, I agree that I believe that the, the threat has gone up, uh, a little bit since nine 11. Um, I mean, I, I guess it depends on where, what you're talking about as far as going up, you know, some people would automatically say it's the border, but those are the same people who are believing that there's what 100,000 ISIS fighters in the United States waiting to attack us, you know, those sorts of things. So I think it's a combination of things. Um, for me, I think the biggest, uh, issue is the threat has gone up, but not to me externally. I believe

• 50:22Speaker 05

  it's internally radicalization has, uh, gone up due to, you know, uh, social media and, uh, things like AI and all those sorts of things. So I think that's our, our biggest thing. Plus you have the, the, uh, inherent divisiveness within our country anyway. So, uh, those sorts of things are causing people to look else elsewhere and they're finding that inspiration. And, and I think in some cases, I don't know yet, but I think even with this guy in, uh, New Orleans, what was it a year ago or so? He's supposed to have been radicalized. Um, I think some people just throw on that mask, that ISIS mask or whatever mask just to do whatever it is

• 51:04Speaker 05

  they're doing and aren't committed to it. So you have all that stuff that's all mixed in there.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you say they're two separate incidents, and I don't think they're tied. One in Vegas appears to be a suicide, essentially. You know, horrible event, horrible, the veteran suicides, all them other issue, you can do all

• 51:29Speaker 03

  several episodes on that. And then to Jay's point on

• 51:34Speaker 03

  New Orleans, I mean, the guy was actually thinking like, should I get my family all together and kill him? Or should I go do this territory? So it seems like he was just a completely disturbed individual who was looking for some kind of, although it completely warped rationale for doing what he did. It's a big problem. It's, you know, radicalization, self-radicalization. I do think they'll look into his foreign travel, which seems to be verified by the FBI today, that he traveled to Egypt.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Was there any kind of connectivity that kind of boosted him over the edge to do this? I don't know the answer to that, but certainly the FBI and CIA are going to be looking into that in detail. And then I think he traveled all over to Toronto, Canada. But those kind of things will be looked at, but I, I do think, you know, one of the things we tend to think that we can just call an end to these, the enemy is a boat, right? ISIS exists to attack us. So this is not going to go away. We have to accept that this is going to be, it's almost like a bunch of cops sitting around going, talking about the end of crime, right? It's not going to end. Terrorism is not going to end. The ideology still exists. ISIS, you know, went from, you know, one country, Iraq, Syria, two countries, to I think 24, 28 countries right now, spread throughout the world.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  So this is going to be something that we're just going to have to accept. It's going to be, you know, we're going to have to dedicate certain parts of our security apparatus to fight, period. It's not going to end. I wish it would, but if we have that mentality, we'll constantly be surprised when they rear their ugly head and attack. And I think they are in many ways looking to attack the West because that's what they, why they exist. Al Qaeda, ISIS, right now, I just saw something today where the UN predict or not estimates there's 20 different terrorist organizations in Afghanistan today. And there's not a whole lot of checks on them. And there's not a whole lot of visibility on them.

• 53:27Speaker 03

  So we have to accept the fact that we're still at war with terrorism and that it's not going to be something we can just opt out of or just declare an end to.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  And also too, something to think about is if this, all the talk of the incoming administration is looking to designate cartels as terrorist organizations, now we're adding that into the mix, you know, so it's not just Middle Eastern countries, it's not just Muslims, it's not, you know, there's, if this happens, if this, they are designated and there is a direct action is taken against them, that's something else we have to think about because, I mean, there are people who live in Brownsville, Texas, or wherever, who are looking right at what could possibly be, you know, hey, you designated those terrorists, now we're

• 54:17Speaker 05

  coming right across to, you know, hit these towns, so it's not just, we have to be able to look in more than one direction at once.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  I don't know, but I would guess that law enforcement is, yes, concerned with, you know, with all those things, but I would guess that they're very concerned about domestic extreme right-wing terrorism too, you know, I mean, the, of course, I, you know, we think back to the Oklahoma City bombings, and I, and there have been, since then, there have been, there's been near-run after near-run that have been, of attacks that have been preempted by law enforcement, you know, nothing on the scale of Oklahoma, but, you know, there's, these groups exist and they're active, and, and, you know, as we've just seen, there

• 55:10Speaker 04

  are some pretty extreme attitudes out there from people who ostensibly seem to be normal. I think that's, that's definitely of concern.

• 55:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, and that goes back to keeping our eye on, you know, many different things at one time, because they're going to take full advantage of that. We designate cartels as terror organizations, and at the same time, we're looking at ISIS, well, what's behind us? These extremist group, far-right groups that Andy's talking about, and they're going to take full advantage of that.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, one of the populations we definitely need to protect, for lack of a better word, is veterans. And I say that because, you know, oftentimes we undercut just how much training somebody who's served in Afghanistan and Iraq actually has when it comes to being able to carry out a terrorist attack. I mean, just rudimentary training, not even to get into the special operations type stuff, you know, one of those, and one of our individuals, I should say, that's radicalized can do an extensive amount of damage with just the knowledge they have in their, you know, capacity. So that's, that's when it comes to the fact that both of these

• 56:21Speaker 03

  two individuals were veterans, that's something the Pentagon is going to be looking at. How do we prevent radicalization to protect our force and to protect our population? Because, you know, five veterans put together could exponentially do more damage than just a bunch of knuckled heads that happen to believe in the ideology but have no actual capacity to do anything. So that's a, that's something I think is going to be looked at very closely by Department of Defense and how to prevent this from happening.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Boys, anything?

• 56:57Speaker 03

  Good discussion.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, you guys have anything on the actual terrorist attacks? I mean, like we touched on that a little bit in the last couple of episodes. But we haven't had Andy or Mick on that. So if you guys have any thoughts, please feel free.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  I think we covered it. I do think they're gonna, I mean, this is, you know, you do the immediate triage when it comes to the intel of whether there's an ongoing threat and it, even though it started off saying that they thought this was multiple individuals, which would indicate a more planned ISIS main involvement. Now it looks like it was just him. But they do have to real, they do have to find out whether there was direct direction, not just inspiration to the New Orleans attacker. And I think we won't find that until they've completed their both law enforcement investigation and the intelligence gathering and analysis that's here to come.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  I can do.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I really don't. I mean, I think you guys covered it very well. And um.

• 58:00Speaker 04

  I was in the UK enjoying myself when uh when you were having these serious discussions. Yeah, nothing, nothing positive to add.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Um, all right, boys.

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• 59:40Speaker 02

  Uh, Mick, what do you, uh, tell us about? What you working on with Fogwell and Lobo?

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I appreciate you guys let me bring this up. So this book's actually been out a while. For those that are looking at it, I'm holding up. It's called All the Glimmering Stars. It's by Mark Sullivan. It's a great author here in Montana, who met me and my business partner, Eric Ulrich. We had done a documentary on a child, two child soldiers, actually married right now, that were abducted into the LRA and forced to fight and eventually escaped together, started a family and went on to rescue many other former child soldiers. So I just wanted to highlight this book is out. You can get it just about anywhere you can buy a book.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  And a portion of the proceeds goes to Eric and my 501(c)(3) in child soldiering, which is completely dedicated to the rehabilitation of children who are forced to fight against their will by adults who of course are the ones that start the war. But I appreciate you guys allowing me to kind of like this book because it really does do a lot of good when it comes to the NGO.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm gonna put a link in the description for the book as well. I can grab it there and I'm gonna put a link in the description for the NGO. Links are always in the description, so check it out.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  Incredibly good cause. I feel like there's no real, unless you're running the child soldiers, like who's against, who's for child soldiers? You know what I mean? Like it should be really easy.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  And a lot of the audience, I might, I might add, that were participants in Operation Observant Compass, which was a US effort to counter the LRA. And I imagine there's a lot of folks in the audience that participated in that would know this individual, Anthony Opoca. He worked with us very closely because of his knowledge of Joseph Coney and know him very well. So that are very familiar with this story. It is, it is an operation that I thought was very unique in that it really did focus on the influence aspect of special operations fights. The kinetic part, because you know, there was no Green Beret that was with me on these, this operation that really wanted to go fight kids, right?

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  So it was really focused on the messaging of getting them out without the fight. And it was very successful in that regard. And, and much of it because of people, Anthony and people like Anthony that knew how to talk to these soldiers.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, so check that out. The link is in the description. Um, I'm gonna put the link in the description too for the documentary as well. Um, Andy Milburn, how are you? First off, great book, When the Tempest Gathers. Check that out. That's in the description as well. Jason's links are in the description. He doesn't have a book yet.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  He's gonna be coming out with some erotic fiction. I know he's been talking about it for a while.

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  Not under my real name.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Some memoir. Yeah, loosely based on actual events. Um, guys, this was great. Uh, I think I'm forgetting something. Oh, we, I'm gonna tease it a little bit. Cause Mick gave us the green light about the work that he's doing in Sudan. So we will get into that with a bunch more of the people you work with at Fogwell. Uh, I think probably make it an episode by itself. Um, and what else? The Team House, patreon.com slash the Team House is the best way to support. And thanks, guys. This is great.

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  Thanks, everybody.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  Awesome.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Bye, everyone.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Have a great evening.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  See you next time.

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• 1:03:59Speaker 00

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• 1:04:18Speaker 06

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:04:52Speaker 00

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or flu-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection, common cold, sinus infection,

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  inflammation in the nose, flu or flu-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at Extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses, like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans, up to $400,000, help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at OnDeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extenture, Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extenture is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extenture is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 1:08:49Speaker 00

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or fluke-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extensure. Learn more at Extensure.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:09:06Speaker 06

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of five-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at OnDeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:09:34Speaker 00

  Sponsored by GSK, the makers of Extensure. Depamocumab ULAA. If your asthma keeps interrupting, it may be time to try something else. Extensure is an ultra-long-acting prescription maintenance treatment for severe asthma, eosinophilic type, ages 12 and older. It isn't for sudden breathing problems. Extensure is the first and only add-on treatment that can help deliver protection from asthma attacks with two doses a year. Just one dose every six months. That's a lot of time for everything in between. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Don't change or stop medicines, including steroids, unless told by your doctor. Report if you have a parasitic infection.

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or fluke-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extensure. Learn more at Extensure.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 1:10:34Speaker 06

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at OnDeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

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