Army SMU Operator Adam Gamal on the NOLA & Vegas Bombers | EYES ON

today im joined by former Army SMU Operator Adam Gamal to talk about the Vegas and NOLA bombers, vet mental health and extremism. Adam's book:⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/Unit-Inside-Americas-Secret-Military-ebook/dp/B09Y457JN5 Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Find Andy Milburn here: ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 https://amilburn.substack.com/ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social https://open.substack.com/pub/amilburn/p/journal-of-a-plague-year?utm_source=app-post-stats-page&r=emo6q&utm_medium=ios Find Mick Mulroy here: ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ https://x.com/MickMulroy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes On. I'm Dimitri Kontakos, I'm here with Adam Gamal. He is the author of The Unit, which is a great book. He was on it, he had a great episode with the Team House in studio. The link will be in the description there if you haven't checked it out. Also, the link for his book will be in the description as well if you haven't checked that out yet. It's really great and he's a great guy.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  One little quick thing, I want everyone who's listening or watching to like and subscribe. It's really important, it helps the algorithm and do all that thing. I wanted to put it up top, so give people a little bit of a call to action. Adam, how are you? What's going on? Happy New Year.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Hey there, Happy New Year to you as well. And it's, I'm sure everybody's talking about the beginning of 2025. And it's been a rough beginning, but I'm hoping and I'm sure it's gonna get better as the year goes through.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, same here. So thanks again for doing this. The big things that are going on is, you know, the New Orleans attack and the Tesla bomb. Big news from yesterday was the FBI released a couple of pieces of, you know, some correspondence or some like messages from the bomber, who was a, not a former, but an active Green Berets, 10th Special Forces group, who up until the day it happened seemed to be, you know, be okay. And he went out with a, for lack of a better term, he went out with a pretty big bang, unfortunately.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Fortunately, nobody else was hurt, I mean, nobody else was killed, but uh... My big thing like, you know, the Sean Ryan show had a guy Sam Schumate that posted that's had a email. There is a little bit of going back and forth like whether that email is legit or not. The FBI did say it was legit as far as they knew. But if you look at it compared to the other stuff that the guy's written, it's a bit off. Like, it doesn't seem like it's the same guy. But again, like, you don't know what the guy's, you know, where he, what he was going through at that, in that moment, in the moment he was writing those things. So I think we're missing the forest for the trees because that one, the one manifesto that Sean Ryan posted, he was talking about like gravitational

• 2:52Speaker 01

  propulsion and stuff like that, that China might have and like a war crime that went down where in 2019, where the US bombed a place in Afghanistan and killed a lot of civilians. And

• 3:05Speaker 01

  I think there needs to be a bigger talk about like veteran mental health, which is kind of being missed because as the New Orleans bomber was also a former, he's former army and stuff like that. And he seemed to like, you know, be struggling in life and uh, mental health and how that affects like your ability to get radicalized. Because whether it's you're radicalized by ISIS or you're radicalized by something else,

• 3:32Speaker 01

  it seems to me that like people who are, have mental challenges are more prone to getting sucked into getting radicalized in some way or shape or form. So that's kind of what I want to touch on today. Yeah, I don't really have a question, Adam. I just.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no. So let me, let me, let me

• 3:54Speaker 02

  add a couple of.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Sure, please.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  I've, I've seen, uh, I, I do have,

• 4:00Speaker 02

  I had friends who actually took their own lives. Uh, I had people extremely high ranking, uh, military guys who retired. Uh, we were friends. We've met. We talked about the next few months in business and what we're gonna do and literally like a day or two after, uh, one of those gentlemen. And just took his own life. I I will not mention him, but was an extremely high ranking guy. And I sat uh for like, honestly, for like a few months after that till now, I sit and I'm like, did I miss something? Uh was he giving me any signs? The guy talked about his family, his kids and

• 4:40Speaker 02

  kids getting married and he talked about everything that an an a person in his right state of mind will talk about. Uh but what we what we missing is like what what makes somebody like him flip? Uh I'm sure, I I mean, some guys will say, well, you know, a guy who committed suicide planned it for a few years. And again, I know another situation uh where a female, she was in in working for the government for D O D. Again, she was under the command that was in uh right before I retired and she planned her did she did plan her suicide for three years. But that point of of pulling the trigger is where these people going from planning to executing.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  And if we don't catch them in between, we're missing something out. Uh I think what's gone on recently and and I and I I get your point about like, you know, the Sean Ryan show and the email and people making all of this propaganda to uh it's very unfortunate that we try to use uh such a situation and such a tragedy to uh to make a scene or something. So I'm I'm I'm not uh I'm not like, you know, throwing rocks at anybody. I'm just saying that in a situation like this, we really have to take a few steps back and look at the the the the root cause of the problem, whether the New Orleans, the New Orleans guy

• 6:05Speaker 02

  uh who obviously was in it was radicalized by watching ISIS stuff, but or the the Vegas guy who decided to take his own life and and make a band like you said. Uh but if you look at most likely, the both of them had personal issues. Both of them had multiple divorces. Both of them had issues with their exes or their current uh both of them uh deployed a and most likely a lot of people, me included, a lot of people who deployed deployed to Afghanistan.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Uh, felt betrayed when the way how we pulled out of Afghanistan and, but it does not mean that I take, uh, I take this into, uh, committing any acts of violence, right? So we, we, we missing, we missing the point of, oh, let's talk about the guy with the conspiracy theory and aliens and, and all of these things. And we missing the point of what made him do that? Are we paying attention to what's going on? Was there anything else in, in his unit? And a lot of people are jumping, jumping into conclusions, but I did talk in, in my book about PTSD and I didn't call it PTSD. I called it like operator syndrome, uh, which is, I think that's the, uh,

• 7:22Speaker 02

  some of the psychologists, that's what they call it. And whether you are a veteran or not, whether you were a, in a special operation unit or not, you could be a guy like the guy from New Orleans who was an HR guy, spent ten years, seemed very patriotic as well. Something happened, made him, uh, made him flip. And if we, we can go, well, he was, he was Muslim or he was Christian or he was white or he was black or it, then we're not looking at why did this happen? Uh, we're looking at, we're trying to overanalyze things that maybe, uh, may or may not be part of the, part of the problem. But yeah, it's, uh, it's very clear that in, in our, uh,

• 8:08Speaker 02

  veteran community and, and there is something actually, something else that not a lot of people talking about. There was another guy, uh, another veteran, uh, Caucasian. He, I think his dual citizen Irish American who tried to join, uh, Hezbollah. And he was just arrested recently. He went to, I think Syria and Lebanon in the, in the last few years and.

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• 9:01Speaker 02

  I had to join Hezbollah and again non Muslim guy so in within the veteran community it seems that we do have an issue and we we need to we need to address it.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. And there's a great service and app called sound off where if you are still a active member whether it's DOD or CIA or wherever and you're worried about losing your clearance or something like that and you can't work anymore and you're struggling you could go and do online therapy anonymously and you don't have to worry about that. So if anyone's listening and you're struggling it's a sound off.com there's an app on the you know all the app the app store and Google store and it's free. So yeah, the interesting thing like you know there's a relatively

• 9:57Speaker 01

  popular YouTuber out there that's come out his name's Ryan Macbeth and he does a lot of like topical geopolitical stuff smart guy former army guy intel guy and he's calling out Sean Ryan and the guy's shoe mate he's claiming that the email is fake. I mean, the guy is relatively reputable this guy not I wouldn't say relatively he's pretty reputable smart guy he works on disinformation and stuff like that. But at the same time you had the FBI yesterday confirming not so much confirm it but they said as far as they know it is that's an actual that's something from the guy

• 10:35Speaker 01

  from Matt Silsberg. So it's like again we're having this problem because I remember a couple days ago we had Alex Hollings and we were talking about this where the information space is so cluttered and so diluted and everybody wants an answer right away that we just end up being more confused about it and it's It's tough like it's it's it's not some like it doesn't it doesn't make sense and I'm sure for the families too it probably does it's like unbelievably shocking. We had another instance where Jack Murphy, he wrote an article about a gentleman named Matt Frode.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Who was a army intel guy. Who you know out of nowhere it let up he started acting paranoid and stuff like that and he was a he was an active guy he's still working. He ended up taking his life.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  It it's wild to me because it's like people lose you know how long were you in the army for Adam?

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Twenty one years.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like you twenty one years of like that camaraderie where you have a job to do and it's every day and it's all encompassing. To not having a job to do basically or like maybe you're seeing the end of the road right like in Matt's case. The Vegas the Tesla bomber. Where what am I gonna do next really relatively young guy.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Very young guy.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  There is one thing too you hit you hit the nail on the head when you talked about you're talking about like the camaraderie in military so. One thing is um. The US is the most individualistic country in the world so when we look at you know uh. Family or not family like group oriented uh culture versus. And they call it like your collectivistic culture versus uh individualistic culture. So the US and the individualistic rating would be like number one right? And then we take guys who are extremely individuals. Uh out of high school or college and in a young age. And we tried to bring him into the military to mold them into this team group family. And in the military they're talking like we are a family you are a team and we take care of each other and all these things.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  And you do that for them or to them. For five years six six years ten twenty years it depends how long he stayed in in in Matt's situation. Nineteen years and he was getting close to the twenty and maybe he can do like another. Year or two or another ten but at the end he's gonna be like okay I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to go back so for the veterans who leave the military and go out to. The civilian world again while you are asked to be individualistic again.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  And because that's that's that's the society, if you some some some neighborhoods. If you tell your neighbor, good morning, and your neighbor is like, are you saying good morning to me? Who are you? So they they get nervous. Uh, because it's a very individualistic culture. So we're gonna have that. So when we try to help people leave the military and transition back to the to the private sector, to the civilian world. What we are doing is we're going, uh, we're helping them. This is how you write your resume. This is how you can find a job. This is what kind of job you should be looking for. But we're not going and saying, this is how you should, uh, take care of your, the group around you. This is how you can build the community. This is because you come from, you came from individualistic.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  And when you are like eighteen, nineteen, you're still a kid, honestly. And then you go. So you go to this community and how do you go back after you leave the military and build this community? And like I said, I think, and I I don't know, but in that situation, it seems like he is a guy who possibly felt betrayed even by like the the politicians. Hey, I voted for you thinking we're going this way and I feel like we're going that way. Uh, and then he has a family issue that could be the the straw that broke the camel's back. But if we are not talking and we're not creating this uh, safe environment for people to talk and discuss it

• 14:40Speaker 02

  uh, and check out on one another, check out for each other and all these things, then that person can flip. And again, so the email that he sent to Sean Ryan, I I I don't know. It's most likely the email is is true. I didn't, honestly, I didn't know. But whether the email is legit or not, it's, uh, it seems somebody who's extremely disturbed. Uh, somebody talking about all of these different weird things and the the the deep system. And so I don't know if Sean Ryan saw the email before or not, or if any of the people there saw it or not. But if I'm a guy in a, when when you are in a, when you are a public figure, you have a lot of responsibilities.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  And when you have these responsibilities, if I get an email like that, I I would actually try to see like what's going on like. And and and there are a lot of veterans in those situations where when you reach out to them, they they reply to you. Since since I wrote the book. I received a lot of like messages and emails from people who are in the military or not in the military who have personal situations and they just want to vent. They just wanted to talk. And I listened to them and I chatted with them and it's okay. It's not, it's uh, if you're not reaching out to these people and they reach out to you so you can help. They're not reaching out to you because uh, they want to have a drink with you. They reach out to you so you can help.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  And they saw in you whether through your writing, through your show, through whatever made you more of a public figure, they reach out to you because they feel they can trust or relate to you. Uh, and this is where, this is where we should, and I'm sure like, you know, like if, if Jack, for example, if Jack Murphy gets like a thousand email a day, then he won't be able to check all of them.

• 16:25Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Uh, so, so I'm not sure how, how it can be done, but to uh, to build those communities to help these guys out, it's very beneficial. Even the guy who did the New Orleans, which it seems like now we're talking more about Vegas than the New Orleans, but New Orleans was very, very, was more tragic actually because he had people lost their lives. The guy was doing this to create a lot of damage, to make a statement, to get people killed, and he was prepared to be killed as well.

• 16:58Jack Murphy?

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• 17:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, yeah, the va- uh, the New Orleans one for sure. I mean, what's interesting is it's not really looking so much like people, the narrative wise in terms of like, oh, the Vegas one's not so much terrorism. This one, uh, but the New Orleans one is because it was inspired by ISIS. Um, and you saw like initial reports when it first happened was like, it was an ISIS cell that snuck in through the border and like all this stuff. And then it was found out the guy's actually a US citizen.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Who was just radicalized in that way. I mean, it doesn't matter what you're radicalized by, right? Like it could be ISIS, it could be super left wing or super right. It doesn't matter. Like, the fact is like, it, you shouldn't, no one should get radicalized. And the quickness, I think it seems like, how you can get radicalized in less than a year. Like, there's a book out, I think it's like seven to nine months could get you to become like normal. And then you're a suicide bomber. You know what I mean? Like, and it's, it's pretty, it's pretty scary. How easy it could turn.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  You know what, uh, what one thing that we, we, I was, we used to say as kids, or we were told, we were taught as kids is like, when, uh, whereas, uh, like if you have a wolf and it's gonna attack like a herd of sheep, uh, who is gonna, who the wolf is gonna attack? The sheep that is walking by itself, right? That's the easy target, just the loner.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  So if it's a lot easier to radicalize a guy who, uh, sit at home by himself, have nothing else to do. He's by himself, he's a loner, he doesn't have a community. And like I said, when you look at these guys, either they had like bad divorces, they are on their own, they trying to, they felt the system failed them. They felt the government failed them, they felt betrayed. And then they, then it's easier to radicalize these guys. Uh, and, and not to, not to forget, like, you know, our foreign policies in the last two hundred years, right? The people will agree, some people will agree with it, some people will disagree with it. So some people disagree with it so bad that they wanna make a statement.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  And again, like, you know, that was some talks about maybe the Matt, the Vegas guys like, oh, maybe he wasn't happy about the Ukraine thing.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  But you know what? We have people in in the military who are not happy about the Iraq thing uh in in two thousand three. And again, because we were a community and we were listening to each other and we were talking to each other. I was talking to about a lot of these uh. Platforms, and I'm not talking about social media platforms. I'm talking about channels like yours and channels like other guys and. Uh newspapers and and news outlet and CNN and Fox News and on all. It seems like they wanted to talk to people who are in the extreme right or extreme left. If you are in the middle, nobody wants to talk to you because you you uh you you then you are normal, in my opinion, right? If you're normal, nobody want to talk to you. So that forces people to be extreme this way or extreme that way.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  And then when you are uh like holding. The people who are in whatever extreme you are on, you hold them in a on a pedestal. And then they fail you, then the betrayal is huge. Uh and then, yeah, and then if you feel like you're losing everything that you worked for. Uh like I think Matt's situation that he's getting divorced or his wife uh breaking up with him. That could be the straw that broke the camel's back. And I'm not saying like we're gonna go and and and and. Get in personal in personal people life, but the military does, by the way. The military, they offer you marriage counseling. They offer you a lot of different things. If we ask these guys to go to war and fight for us. When they come back, we have to offer them everything possible to help them.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Not over medicating them, not just giving, oh, he's depressed, let's give him just. Depression medication, he's uh he has PTSD, just put him to sleep all the time. That's not, that's not answer. I think the answer is a lot more uh of building a very strong community.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's definitely nuanced. I mean, it's like. You use anything available, whether it is SSRIs or.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Man, I don't know, like what talk therapy, equine therapy, you know what I mean like? And again, finding that purpose, that meaning and whether it's like, even if it's something as frivolous as like, I don't know, like doing a podcast or making something, right? Making knives, like getting something you can get so deeply involved in that like it gives you something that you want to do every day where you wake up in the morning and like, I'm excited to do this. Um. Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  You want to know a secret?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Go ahead, Tommy, hit me.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  No, sorry, secret. It's actually one of the reasons I wrote the book. So I never mentioned this before, but writing the book was extremely, extremely, uh, therapeutic for me.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  It's sitting down and writing your thoughts, writing, uh, your feelings, uh, writing experiences that you went through. And it's like you said, it's the podcast, it's the talking to people.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  Building that community and, uh, my co-author and I, we used to talk and, uh, poor Kelly, I, I used to just dump those things at her and basically telling her all the feelings I had and all of that thoughts I had. And then after that, we're going like, hey Kelly, let's not write, let's not put this there, let's just clean it up a bit. But it is, it's like you said, finding like making knives. I, I have a couple of friends who are like, you know, I'm gonna make knives. I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep myself busy doing something I like and then find that community.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  That they make knives with you. Find the community they, uh, they write with you. Find the community and, and those podcasts and or any of those things that they, they have those conversations with you. It's extremely helpful and I do highly recommend to any veteran or active duty guy who does have, uh, who feels like he has some challenges to seek help. And the help does not mean I go to a doctor, doesn't only mean I go to a doctor and the doctor's like, this is gonna affect my clearance. This is gonna, uh, affect my job. So after I leave the military, they're gonna think I'm a crazy guy. Uh, well, crazy guys usually don't say they are crazy.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  Uh, so if you go in and ask and help, it means you're not crazy. It means that you are a guy who has some challenges and you go in asking for those challenges. But, uh, sorry, I wanted to, to shift a bit on

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Please.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  that the New Orleans, the New Orleans situation. So in, in, uh, right after I retired, I did like a year or two in consultant jobs. And I had a lot of opportunities for what we called in, in the intel community as well as the soft community like placement and access. That we had opportunities to help, uh, they still help the US military to go after bad guys in certain areas. I didn't do that anymore, obviously. It was just like for a year or two after I retired. So there was like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. And I did have friends in, in the National Security Council and we reached, I reached out to them and

• 25:01Speaker 02

  the sad part is everybody was like, and I don't know when we declared the GWAP is over, that we won. So we used to tell people like, hey, we have those opportunities and we know some bad guys doing bad things in certain areas. But the answer we were always getting is like, you know, if some bad guys in Mali killing some other bad guys or basically how I was told verbatim. If some Muslim guys in Mali killing some other Muslim guys in Mali, who cares?

• 25:27Speaker 02

  And my challenge to them was, by the way, when they done killing these guys in Mali, they're gonna go next door. They're gonna go to Algeria and then maybe from Algeria they go to France and maybe from France, they're gonna end up here.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Uh, in the US. So the GWAP is not over, like that, that, that, that extremist, uh, those, whether again, so we have different kind of extremism, right? And we agree in that, but what's coming from overseas mainly is Muslim extremists. And I'm a Muslim guy and I'm, I, I put that in the book and it's very clear. Uh, but I'm telling, I was telling people like, we really need to, uh, go back to funding, uh, counterterrorism. We need to go back and put emphasis on counterterrorism and Whether counterterrorism coming from abroad or domestically grown. And obviously, we can see now some of it is domestically grown.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  And we don't have to go and just, you know, then jump into conclusions and say, oh, you know, this is an ISIS cell came across the border. The election is over. So everything we wanted to say before the election to win the election.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  You won the election. Thank you. Let's focus on how we, how to, how to protect the country. Let's focus on what's, what challenges are we having? And how can we face those challenges? So not just talking about PTSD and, and mental health. Challenges, like I said, I hate people call it mental health issues. Those are challenges that we need to face. Uh, but we have the other, the other challenge as well, which is the, that, that terrorism coming from abroad or home, homegrown. That we need to focus on that as well. But if we not funding the, the ICN, we're not trusting the ICN, we saying, oh, you know what? We, uh, we spying on Americans. We don't spy on Americans. We never did.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Uh, there is a FISA court orders in order for the US government to go, uh, track me. They cannot do it without a court order. And they have to justify that, that court order. So we need to, we, we need to go back to guys. Uh, counterterrorism still exists and, and we should, uh, pay attention to it. And there are people, respectful, respectable people, by the way, went in the Sean Ryan show and talked about that. And, and I, I agree, I partially agree with them. Not everything, but we do have, we do have, uh, terrorism challenges that we need to pay attention to.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think that, I think, yeah, like the GWAT's probably never going to be over. Uh, it's not going to be, you know.

• 28:04Speaker 00

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• 28:34Speaker 01

  150,000 troops in Afghanistan and 200,000 troops in Iraq, but. Um, or maybe even like, you know, five or 10,000 special ops guys with contractors, even like a smaller footprint. But yeah, we need to address this going forward forever because it's. If we really look at it like our escapades for the most part in Afghanistan and Iraq specifically. I would argue, uh, fomented kind of more extremism brought about ISIS and, uh, stuff like that. So. We were kind of, we, we kind of added a lot of fuel to that fire, um, unfortunately.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  So yeah, it's definitely something we need to like stay on top of. I think now it's probably better to like focus more on the espionage, whether it's. Human, sig it rather than the paramilitary and like work, maybe buy with it through like. Our partners in the region and stuff like that. Because I'm sure these, most of these countries in their, in their, um. Governments don't want things blowing up in their backyard really, right? So.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's going to be a tricky problem. It's not going to be as cut and dry as it used to be anyway. I think.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  You know what? Yeah, I agree with you, but here's something too to add to it is if you, uh. If you don't have the people with the right skill sets. With the right background.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Whether training background, military background, cultural background. Uh, you're going to miss some stuff.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  For, I mean, again, not long ago, some. Uh, one of the S I V Afghan guys who came to the U S was planning an attack on election day. Uh, and I did, I did mention something like that in a, in a podcast like about seven, eight months ago, a different podcast. Where I mentioned like, you know, I hope I'm wrong. But with a lot of people came from Afghanistan, some of them were not vetted the right way. Uh, we are, we, we are vulnerable.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Uh, so we have to pay attention to that. And I, again, by no means I want anybody to target that, uh, the Afghan community that came recently because ninety nine point nine percent of them were helping us. They were working with us. They were doing a lot of great things for us and they, uh, some of them are great Americans now. Some of them will be great Americans, uh, soon. And some of them wanted to join the military in the U. S. And I mean, they come into the land of opportunities and again, ninety nine point nine percent of them will take full advantage of that opportunity for them and for, for their kids. But we have to, we have to, again, uh, like, you know, trust but verify, right?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  So we, we trust, but we have to verify what's going on. So we have to pay attention to those things and not go and say, oh, you know what? These guys came from Afghanistan that came under the Biden administration and, uh, look what he did. It's, it's not. I mean, we, we cannot put politics in everything. Politics and national security cannot go against one another. So I cannot go and say, well, I'm gonna defund, uh, the CIA just because I, I don't like them. You, you can, you, you, you have.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Or the FBI too, right? Cause domestically, that's their job to find these people, right? So.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  One hundred percent. And even some of the missions I was on internationally, we could have not done it without the FBI being part of the task force. And the FBI had people in the U. S. working a source while they have, we had a guy in our task force, uh,

• 32:11Speaker 02

  overseas. I'm not gonna say the name of the country, but they were giving us the information coming from the U. S. And then we would go execute the target that we were getting, uh, information from, from the U. S. So you cannot do that. So again, including like involving politics in, in, in, in those things. It's very dangerous game. I'm not saying that we should not, uh, clean, clean up the government. I, I'm, I'm a big fan of cleaning up the VA.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  I think the VA is some serious work, but again, we have to be methodical, surgical and smart about how we do those things.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there are definitely, uh, common sense ways of doing all that. The trick is, the problem is you run into the friction is when it gets politicized. And, uh, once that happens, I feel like it automatically throws.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  A wrench into what you're trying to do because like I I can't you know eighty percent I guarantees high number of people want the government to be more efficient want to stay safe want the FBI to do their thing what I mean I want I mean people talk about the CIA like it's terrible and sure they probably had some blunders but I mean art their job is to go out there and get information from other countries like the other countries do the same thing to us it's the name of the game it's like we can't live in this this naive fairy tale land where like there aren't bad actors or even if they're not bad actors and it's just like political espionage right where we want to just find out what's what in a certain country

• 33:44Speaker 01

  like and and for the most part like especially like my experience with doing the team house and meeting a lot of these people there's a lot of competent people that honestly could probably be making way more money doing almost anything else than being in service and it kind of helps me sleep at night sure there's some dumbbells out there this we're all human right like there's gonna be dummies um but for the most part like you're working in public service you know you're not making a an amazing living it's a it's a respectable living but it's not like your mansions and jet skis and so yeah I think

• 34:25Speaker 01

  yeah I think we need to like give them what they need right and at the same time expect efficiency yeah I think we could do both

• 34:32Speaker 02

  absolutely I mean you don't wanna none of us wants to go to get his driver's license and stand the line for five hours none of us

• 34:39Speaker 01

  yeah right

• 34:40Speaker 02

  uh none of us want to go get his passport and wait for two three weeks

• 34:46Speaker 02

  so we all we all looking for the efficiency and we all are taxpayers and I'm like hey I'm I'm paying taxes to feel safe in my community none of us wanted to have

• 34:57Speaker 02

  called the police because somebody is like trying to rob my house and the police doesn't come so we all want those services and we all want those services to be efficient and we all wanted to be fair to them we're paying taxes to get we all want that

• 35:11Speaker 01

  yeah

• 35:12Speaker 02

  but at this but at the same time we have to be realistic with we have to give the people the tools right we have to be realistic with with what they do so I I I did some work with the FBI when I was in the military And I mentioned it in my book, and this was when everything was so centralized in New York office. And they had the Al Qaeda manual sitting in New York office, I think for two, three years before it got translated. Uh, they borrowed some from the military, they borrowed some uh translators from the military, I was one of them. Uh, to translate the Al Qaeda manual. And because they didn't have the, but if it was not centralized, it was not so centralized and it was like, you know, field offices were.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Were, uh, sorry, if it was, uh, back then it was like field offices were doing everything and. Uh, the, the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I've heard things about the FBI office in New York that it's like its own. Fiefdom outside of the FBI even like it's its own thing where. I think there's like more agents there than there are on like the entire or like close to that, like where it's such a big thing that it's, it's, it's kind of siphoned off. Or siloed off from the greater, larger FBI, or at least it was.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  It was so in nineteen ninety nine, this is when I went to, and I did like, uh, two months there, uh, like in a temporary duty. To help them in, in some stuff, but during those two months, uh, not just the F, not just the office did not. Like that New York office most likely did not know what the DC office knew, right? It's actually within the same office. The guy was sitting in this cubicle, didn't know what the other guy in the other cubicle was doing. So to, uh, centralize the, the power and to make sure that informations are shared. This is, this is, this is what we call fusion cells, right? This is how you, you, this is the fusion of the intel and. You get this intel from this guy and that guy and that guy and you put it, you put the pieces of the puzzle together and you solve the. The puzzle and you stop a terrorist attack.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  But if you know, uh, you, you knew one guy was going from. Uh, Boston to uh LA to San Diego and he's gonna get on a plane to try to attack the World Trade Center. And then I knew a guy and then this is from the entire, right? You knew about one guy, some guy knew about one guy, another guy knew about one guy. If twenty guys knew about twenty different guys, none of us will draw that big picture because like one guy, what the heck is he gonna do? But when you know twenty guys planning and doing that, then it's a big deal.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Uh, so this is where centralizing and sharing information will be very helpful. Uh, how does that apply to the New Orleans thing? You know what? Um, I I don't know. I mean, we're not gonna be able to stop every terrorist attack, but somebody could have saw something and said something.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  We didn't know what the guy was going through. We didn't know what he was doing. But again, from the YouTube video that everybody most likely watched, uh, when he was marketing for his own real estate business, you can see the guy was, he's talking about

• 38:22Speaker 02

  his military service proudly.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Uh, and we need to study, we need to go back and study what made the guy flip? Whether that Matt in Vegas or Shamsuddin from uh, the the one who did New Orleans, the guy from Texas, but what what did what did make him flip?

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, we had Alex Hollings on the other day with uh, who's runs air power for Sandbox News. And he put it to, he put it in a really, really succinct way. I'm gonna butcher it, but um, he said like, we all kind of want there to be this narrative about like how it's like this clean cut, how it happened, why it happened, when it happened, what was it like? And it's sometimes like in the other Vegas shooting that the mass casualty won a few years back where like sometimes you don't find out what the motive is, right? Or what the like, the the catalyst that that took him over the edge and stuff like that. Cause it's never that clean. It's never just like a movie where it's perfect, beginning, middle and end, and you have all your questions answered, right? So.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I I don't know why I keep going back to this, but it really annoys me where like, yeah, our the information space gets clouded with everything and everybody and everyone's opinions and.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Um, and they should have opinions and stuff like that, but people should, I think, understand that these are. People are editorializing, even myself, right? Like, I'm editorializing. I'm not giving you base, straight-up facts, right? I try to, but at the same time, like, I feel a certain way. I have my certain views. And that's always going to affect my opinion. I think people need to get smarter in terms of, like, understanding that when their favorite talking head or influencer is saying something, take it with a grain of salt and understand what's really going on, you know?

• 40:08Speaker 02

  I want, I, yeah, I agree. And the one thing too, so I, I talk about this, right? When you are in a position of power, and that, that doesn't mean you are the president, just any position of power. You could be a squad leader in the military, you are in a position of power. You could be, uh, a, a manager in a company, you are in a position of power. You could be a guy who does podcasts and you have, uh, twenty, thirty thousand people listen to you, you are in a position of power. With that position of power comes a lot of responsibility. And the responsibility is on you as a, as a guy who sends the information, who's the sender. And there is a responsibility on the receiver as well.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  So you can go now and say, I can go now and say, hey, the capital of France is London. And it's on, and, and so it's on you to go and Google it. Is it really the capital of France is London? You know, the guy's an idiot. It's actually the capital of France is Paris. London is the UK. So if, if the person is given information, just don't take it, just don't take it as a

• 41:12Speaker 01

  like a face value, yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Exactly. Just go do your own research. So if somebody go and say, well, the email that was sent to Sean Ryan or the email that was sent to somebody else, it says this, this, this, this. And somebody mistyped this and he misspelled this and, and this was from there. Look at those things and go do your own research as well.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Uh, do, do you, if I, if I go on and, and I say, hey, you know what? I was in this super duper unit and I did this and I did. Go do your research. So people who, uh, but I got people who are like, hey, you know what? This guy talking a lot about diversity and diversity, this diversity, this diversity, this. Uh, this a D E I thing. And I was like, actually, when I wrote the book, D E I, the term D E I was not in existence.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  So this is really funny because I wrote the book in twenty eighteen.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  It didn't, it goes, it went to DOD, it's that free. So people will go and, and jump into conclusions because it's very easy.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  For me to criticize you. It's very easy for me to say, you know, you, you didn't do this the right way, but go to do your own research and then you're fine. Well, did you really do it or not? And then have an open conversation, have, have an open discussion, have an open communication. Anybody who sent to me a question, I answered.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  People.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  It's not that, sorry, but it's not that hard to answer people's question eh by eh eh eh if you are honest and you're truthful. You know, if you ask me like, you know, how many jumps did they do? I'm not going to tell you I did a thousand jump. I can tell you how many jumps I did and I can verify that.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  But eh eh then you have the stolen valor and you have veterans, attacking veterans and all of these things is not, is not helpful.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Well, that was, yeah, that's been a hot topic the last few weeks before these tragic events and stuff like that um.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  But I mean, listen, like the D E I stuff, it's a kind of a buzzword that people freak out about um. I mean. Diversity in America should be our strength in terms of like national security and stuff like that. Because. Are they going to send a guy that looks like Jack Murphy to go do things that you did when you were in a S M U?

• 43:20Speaker 02

  No, and let me, let me tell you something else. So for us to you, for, for.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  And I love Jack Murphy. I love Jack. Let me put that out.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  I love the guy.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Great guy, but I, I, so for me, what I was telling everybody, diversity means. Yeah, send the right guy in the right place. However. Make sure he's qualified.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  You know what? What I, what I would ask, what I was telling people, like, you know what? Make sure the door is open for everybody.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  So if, if the door in a, in a S M U, in a, in a special mission unit is open for everybody. And you have the same exact selection criteria.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Invite me and invite you and invite Jack and invite Anna and invite Mary and and then whoever makes it through the door. So you want twenty, the first twenty guys makes it through the door by their own effort. Then they are qualified.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  And then you have the diverse, you have, you'll have the diversity of qualified people.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  But yeah, it's a, like I said, I was stationed in Germany and we used to listen to FN. Uh, Armed Forces Network Radio. It was really funny because it was the only radio in English. We could listen to there and the chaplain used to come. Uh, on these commercials because they are all uh, like homemade commercials. Because FN is, is just military, right?

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  And the chaplain used to always say like, you know, our diversity is our strength. And I'm like. What happened? Why all of a sudden diversity became a, a, a bad word?

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't get it either. Honestly, it's such a like a trigger word. And it's like, the next war is gonna be against China. Everyone's saying that, right? China is our big, our big uh, rival.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I mean, and we, I've said it before, like, you know, the MSS targets Chinese nationals in America, whether it's through coercion, like telling their, that you know, their family that's back home. Might get fucked with. We're gonna have homegrown Chinese. American citizens, like Chi- of American citizens from Chinese descent. That will end up being like the next generations, like

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  People that are doing the spying, are defending the country, are finding out what they need to find out. Without that, we can't just have a bunch of like me's around unless I'm going to Greece. I could probably do something, but like. You need to have that, that it, it's like, I think it's a. I think it's a positive rather than a negative.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  When we had the mission, when we had the mission in Bosnia, they didn't send me.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Because I wouldn't, I wouldn't.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  But the military actually too had, and I don't know if they still have it, but there was a program called Scribes for Skills. So basically you come in and they make you a sergeant. So months after you're in the military, if you possess certain skills, believe it or not, like the army band, the people who are, they go through audition and you do that. But it was the same thing for military intelligence guys with the hard languages. So Arabic, Chinese. So if the military was recruiting Arabic speakers, Chinese speakers, Korean speakers, Japanese speakers, Persian. There was like a Russian in a certain time. So there was like a multiple languages that if you have it.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  So if you're gonna have a guy coming off the street who speaks Chinese in a very proficient level, I guarantee you, he does not look like you or does not look like me. I guarantee you that.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Unless he was the luckiest guy on the planet and his family just moved to China a long time ago and he grew up there.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  And that's one, and that's one in a billion, most likely.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  So you have no choice, but you're gonna, you're gonna have diversity. This is, this is something that just you cannot go around it.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 02

  And it doesn't mean that we have to be scared of every guy who doesn't look like us. Like, yes, the guy from New Orleans. Again, US-born, we don't know if his family a long time ago or recently came from somewhere or not, but definitely the guy from Vegas, his family did not just come from

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  somewhere. It doesn't mean this or that. It just means to go back to these guys. Again, we have to look at in, inside the service to see what are we doing wrong? That's one, that's one issue. And then how are we gonna empower the country to do the right thing, empower the community to do the right thing? And make sure these guys are receiving the right care and receiving the right training and being welcomed to the military community. Because for last year was the, the first year since the, since the army became voluntary army, this last year was the only year that we did not meet our recruitment target.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  And you go talk a lot of people and a lot of people like, ah, no, I really don't want to join the military.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, I don't know how they fix that, to be honest.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  You know that the US military is the most respected organization in the US by the by the like they did some surveys and stuff like that. So we are very well respected.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  But we we have some work to do and we need and we need to do it. So again, we cannot go on

• 48:43Speaker 02

  TV and attack uh D because D wears glasses.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Now, now everybody else who wears glasses, they're gonna be like, hey, man, they attack and D and I don't want to be attacked.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  So I'm not gonna go. Uh, so th- those are the things that we really have to and again, bring the diverse uh forces to recruit diverse forces.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah. Yeah, I mean, um, I feel like there's nothing like not there's nothing going on in the world.

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• 49:42Speaker 01

  Right, but there's no active quote unquote war zone for like a conventional military. I think that might also, I've heard maybe the recruitment numbers. Um, I think also like

• 49:55Speaker 01

  most respected, that's fine. Like I've been to ball games where they show the like they bring a veteran out and everyone claps, takes a hat off. And for the mo- I'm a civilian. For the most part, that's all they fucking do. Let's be let's most most civilians, most citizens don't have any idea what the military is about, myself included.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Even when Iraq and Afghanistan was going on, it was like an afterthought, right? For most Americans' lives. It wasn't affecting them day to day. And um, I think trying to like

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Trying to help them figure like realize that like just getting up at the ballgame and clapping when they show a veteran isn't enough. You know what I mean? Like whether it's making sure the VAs got their shit in check and they're covered, right? Like making sure vets and active military have the things they need. If you have a if you're having some kind of mental uh challenge or something, you can get the help you need without worrying about losing your job. Or your livelihood or your you know, your pride of what you know, not seeing the boys every day.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  I think there's common sense ways to fix this. I really do.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  I I agree with you and I'm sure they can bring uh some of these big consultant firms and they'll fix it for them. But the one thing is, don't over-medicate veterans. Don't yeah, if you you have a deal with the pharmaceutical industry and the pharmaceutical industry most likely making billions from the VA.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  This is what I'm gonna just get in a, okay, this is fucking bullshit.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Because I I went to the VA quite a few times and anytime you go. They're like, so what medicine do you want? But I don't want any medicine. I just want you to help me sleep at night. Oh, you you depressed. Let me give you some sleeping pills. No, no, no, don't don't just keep give medication just to give medication. I was traveling one time. So I told the VA, hey, I'm gonna be gone for the next ninety days. Oh, here is some medicine that will last you for six months. So they are over-medicated uh our veterans and again, one of the things Trump said he's gonna fix is the VA healthcare system. I I wish he can. I wish he does.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  And I would love to see the challenges he the the the next administration gonna face with the pharmaceutical industry and the pharmaceutical lobbying firms. Because the pharmaceutical industry is making tons of money from the VA. And I would love to see that being fixed. I don't want you to give me medication left and right. I want you to help me. Uh get better without medication if possible. But what we have been doing for the longest for people with mental health challenges. We just over-medicated there. Uh and I'm not a doctor. I'm not uh so I'm just speaking from my own personal experience on this one. And. If some of the medication they were giving us, by the way, it makes you hallucinate.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  So if I'm if I'm over medicated on this bullshit medicine gonna make me hallucinate. Yeah, most likely I'll type an email like that guy typed for Sean Ryan and I'll talk about aliens and I'll talk about all kind of deep state this and deep state then.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Most likely I'll come up with some super crazy ideas. So that's why I'm saying let's look deeper into what else is being done rather than, hey, you know what, we feel bad for the guy, he's just still dancing.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, I mean, well said. Uh. I got a question not having to do with this really. Um. So you came out the book last year, right? It's been like nine, 10 months now, right?

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, correct. It came out in February. Yes, yes, it's um about 10, 11 months.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Check out the book. Obviously, the link is in the description. Um. What's, I don't want to say fallout bin. Because you're obviously were part of a highly secretive organization. Where people don't want to even say the name. Um, we won't say it here, I swear. Uh. What's that fallout been because I know of situations in other units like Delta, even 160th. Where guys and girls get a lot of shit. Whether they're on the, when they go on the, it's they go on the podcast, they say too much, or they go write a book or something like that. Have you seen or felt any kind of blowback from people in your former unit?

• 54:26Speaker 02

  So people will be extremely surprised to hear I have not gotten one bad message from one person in the unit. As a matter of fact, I got a lot of thank you notes. Uh, and and and most likely that's because of two things. Number one, I went through the process step by step. I like, I again, I at first, when I wrote the proposal for the book. And the Asian sent off, you'll see the proposal was extremely unclass. It was just, hey, I was a member of an organization, blah, blah, blah, just, you know, very, very general. Like, you know, maybe 10 pages. Uh, it was sent to a lot of publishers and.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  All the publishers said, we will uh do it, we'll do a good deal if you go with your true name. And if we can do it without DD approval, without going through DOD process would be even better.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, publishers don't care if you get arrested, right?

• 55:29Speaker 02

  They they don't, right? So the the the guys who did like, you know, the killing, blah, and then the this and that. So a lot of these guys who had fallout from the community, because they really went without uh without going through the the the proper process. So I went through the proper process one hundred percent. Uh, so that's one thing. The second thing I did not for anybody, as a matter of fact, people were disappointed. I did not spell the beans. I did not go and say, let me tell you selection. It's uh this many phases and day one you do this and day two you do that. So I did it. Then I mixed selection and training together. So people who are, although selection is not classified, uh but people, I wanted to give people the the the same opportunity I got.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  If you go and you have Intel on selection, ninety nine percent you'll fail because you go in and you have, you know, what to anticipate. And then if it's something off, so that, so I did not spell the beans. That's the second thing. The third thing, I I was extremely honest in in the book. I did not give somebody credit who doesn't deserve it. And I intentionally did not bash anybody, obviously. You don't write a book just to talk bad about other people because it it might make a good story for people to to talk about and it might make the book sell even more. If I if I went and I said, well, let me tell you all the dirt that we had. Uh, any unit had some dirt. That people most likely would buy the book more because they want to know what's going on.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  And and that was that was not my intent. Uh, my intent was like to to send a good message about the the organization, about uh how the organization is is saving a lot of lives.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  How the people go through very, very hardship to make it there? And to give people hope, like a guy like me who came from Egypt with five hundred dollars that I borrowed from somebody and I didn't speak in English and most likely my socks had holes when I came. Uh, who can make it through and make it to the highest enlisted rank in an organization like this in a, in the U S and and after I left the military, I had opportunities to consult and I had an opportunity to start my own business and so it, so I did not get any, honestly, nothing. I, I, most likely some people are upset. Uh, because they, nobody, nobody gonna have everybody agree. But even the people who are upset, uh, I'm assuming there are some people are upset, or I'm sure some people are upset.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  I have not gotten any message from anybody. I still receive emails and invitations for functions. Uh, the, the organization does and functions, the former unit members, they do. I still get invitations for those. I don't attend any of them just because I live far away from where they do it. But if I'm ever in the local area, uh, most likely I would go. Uh, some people from the unit actually uh, asked me to sign some copies to give it to the organization and I did.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Oh, cool. Good. That's good to hear. Yeah. Um, cuz I mean, this wasn't the unit you were in, but I, I remember a couple of Delta guys who did some podcasts and Delta sent out an email to everybody. Uh, which was, I mean, the podcast they're referencing was kind of wild. Like I watched the podcast and I was like, I can't believe this guy's fucking saying this shit. And I don't know anything. Like I'm just a dummy, like a civilian. Like I don't know what goes on really. And he was talking about operations. I'm like, there's no way they're cool with this. Like I knew like instantly.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Actually, uh, uh, I'm not gonna mention the guy's name, but one of the guys who did a lot of, who, who actually said a lot of things, he was with me on, on, on, on some missions. And when I watched, I was like, man, holy shit. How did they allow him to say that? But, um, yeah, again, I mean,

• 59:20Speaker 01

  I don't think they did. And I'm su- I'm assuming he's probably now, right? Like he's probably.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  And and I and I so a message to all the guys who are out there who think about doing this. You have nothing to gain uh from doing this. You have nothing to gain from going and saying uh given. Like you know the the TTPs of how your unit makes missions of giving people names of people. You have nothing to gain by saying I have five brown stars and you have one. Trust me if you take those brown stars. Take the brown stars to with all the respect to the brown star medal itself. But I guarantee you if you take it to Walmart and ask him to to give you a loaf of bread. And return of the brown star Walmart with it. Maybe maybe some of the customers would take it from you and buy you a a loaf of bread, but Walmart with it.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Uh so I I tell everybody like guys. Really, really, really find a way to help other veterans. We have we from the book have donated. Not all of it yet, but most of the proceeds we got from the book have been donated to organizations that they support veterans. Or individuals, veterans, who were in tough spots. And they have a GoFundMe or something and we donated money for them. So it makes you feel better, trust me. So for all the veterans out there who think about all the JSO guys who think about going and. You know, writing a book, but reach out to me. I'll tell you that that the legal process. Uh that it's gonna make your unit happy because your unit will review the book before you put it out.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Uh if you think about uh helping other veterans, let me know. I I can connect you with other veterans. But there there are a lot of veterans out there really helping other veterans. And then there are veterans who. Taken advantage of the situation because when you go tell people you are a a veteran, people want to help you. And then they give you a freebie. So don't don't do that. Like again, the we've we've we we know better and we've learned. How to so when I first got to the unit, I was told like, you know. Just make sure you don't uh you don't embarrass the US government, don't embarrass the unit, and don't embarrass yourself. If you decide to embarrass yourself, we don't care. But if you embarrass the other two, we really care.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Uh so don't do anything that will embarrass your former unit or your current unit or embarrass the US government. And you'll be happy. It's so simple.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, Adam, this is awesome, man. Guys, grab that book. It's called The Unit.

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• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Link is in the description. If you want to check out Adam's interview on the Team House, he's in studio. Thank God it didn't um blur your face, because we were doing that live, too. Yes. Great episode. And anything else? What do you got cooking coming up? Just a sequel to the book, or?

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  So, no, I'm like I said earlier, writing actually, so English is my second language, if you didn't guess that. So writing actually is very therapeutic, it's very helpful. So I write, I write notes. So like, hey, maybe there is a discussion very early on in a of like another book, but it's most likely will be a fiction book. So I didn't have to go through the approval, but it would be a fiction book. But other than that, again, I'm dedicating a lot of time and effort to support veterans in need, and it's extremely rewarding. So, but yeah, thank you again for this invite.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Adam, thank you, man. I really appreciate it. Guys, if you're a active veteran, active in the military, or IC, or anywhere, you can go to sound-off.com, or look it up on the Apple, the iStore, whatever, the App Store, or it's on Google, the Google Store as well. It's free. It's completely free. They don't pay us for this. It started by a former CIA officer, whose brother-in-law took his own life, former SEAL Team Six operator.

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  Completely anonymous, you can get help you need without worrying about losing your clearance or anything like that. I think you also, you also don't have to be active military either. So check it out. sound-off.com. Just Google Sound Off app and you'll find it. Couple things, all the links for all of our things will be in the description, whether it's Adam's book, our other hosts, socials and stuff like that. And guys, the best way to support the show is patreon.com slash the team house. You get team house episodes and eyes on episodes ad free.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  You can message us if you have any questions and stuff like that. We'll make sure I'll try to get them to the guys to answer them. Thanks again, Adam. This is awesome. I hope to do it again soon.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, brother. You have a very, very happy new year and I'm sure 2025 will rectify itself and fix the rest of the year and it's will be better.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Thanks, bro.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks. Have a good day.

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