Prime installs Arch?

The gang talks arch, linux, windows, and of course, your favorite goofs & gaffes. ssh terminal.shop, btw

• 0:00Speaker 00

  That was one of the great things about streaming, is I'd just be doing something and like, you know, Visual Studio would just stop working, because it was like, "Oh, you gotta renew your license." I'm like, "What?" I was in the middle of programming something or whatever, right? I was playing Inscription, and Windows Update, it just went blue. And it was like, "Updating your system now," nothin' asked me, didn't do anything, right? And so I just feel like, streaming allows us to capture the fact that, no really, reply people. It doesn't work, it's unreliable, everything breaks all the time. I don't know why, right? Like, I don't know why it can't be more reliable, but the first step to getting better would be to acknowledge the problem. Anyway, that's it.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  Um, well...

• 0:40Speaker 02

  This is going well.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that you're having a good time.

• 0:43Speaker 03

  No blockers on my side.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  I'm all set.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  No blockers on my side, yeah, that's pretty cool, well...

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, internet works this time, that's good.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I...

• 0:54Speaker 01

  I am just doing a very, a very quick attempt at making this work out.

• 1:00Speaker 03

  It says no audio, Prime.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  I know, hold, oh my, oh my.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  We're crushing it.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm not gonna say, okay, Chad, I'm not gonna say mean things, just, just, hold on. I'm not gonna use four-letter words right now. I'm trying my hardest.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Need to FaceTime your screen to TJ, so he can just tell you what to click.

• 1:19Speaker 03

  Oh, that would make my life so much simpler, dude.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  I feel like that's the solution.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I am, I am doing that.

• 1:25Speaker 00

  This is just, it's, this is a summary for the state of modern software. Like, this is it, today is modern software, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  This is not modern software, this is...

• 1:35Speaker 03

  We're doing performance art.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Dude, I actually pressed the power button on my streaming PC, and then stopped it from shutting down. So it's like in a halfway shut down state.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  And I just don't want the stream to restart, and so, we're just, we're just, we're just holding it.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  We're like hanging by a thread, literally.

• 1:53Speaker 00

  Yep, yep.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  The moment I press OK on OBS has crashed, OBS will crash. It's just, there's this really weird timing issue where OBS won't crash until it knows that it needs to crash.

• 2:03Speaker 00

  I do admire the OBS devs for making OBS, getting OBS to the point where it literally won't crash until you tell it it's okay. That's pretty good, actually.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  We're just gonna keep on going.

• 2:16Speaker 00

  They need to share some of that knowledge with, uh, with like, you know, Microsoft driver, uh, the Microsoft's driver's team.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  I don't know anything about Microsoft's driver's team. I'm still not even sure how Microsoft works. All I know is there's a place called COM.

• 2:31Speaker 03

  I thought they made computers, not cars.

• 2:32Speaker 04

  And inside of COM, you gotta, you, there's like a lot, there's like a lot of, a lot of string names and values. And if you touch those, your computer breaks.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  I just meant, uh, because like basically the Microsoft driver team, well, there isn't a driver team, right? There's teams that make the things for, for doing any particular type of driver. And then there's also people who are, you know, doing architecture kernel wise. I'm just saying, a lot of times, any serious crash is in someone's driver. So if the driver team, you know, they're constantly trying actually to make it so that if someone's driver crashes, you don't crash the computer, right?

• 3:08Speaker 04

  Oh, nice.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? That like, cause if you get a blue screen, it almost certainly was something hardware related. Like where a driver thought, you know, it was, it was, there are some bug in a driver and the driver's running at a sufficient privilege level where there's no real recovery. Like, we don't really know what it did because it could have, could have done anything. So we just gotta stop, right? Uh, and so I just meant like, whatever the OBS is doing, if they could share that with Microsoft's kernel team, they could just completely, they could completely solve the problem of like, my audio driver blue screened the machine, right?

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Okay. Can I tell you guys something that's just really embarrassing right now?

• 3:42Speaker 00

  No.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Thank you for the permission, TJ. Um, so I restarted my Linux laptop to try to boot from, uh, disk. And typically there's like a little menu that's like, hey, boot from disk. So I would just boot from disk. And instead of saying that, it said nothing. So I was like, huh, that's funny. So I pressed escape and it just said grub. And I don't know how to just go from grub to booting from, from USB, so I restarted it. Then people in chat were like, just press F12. And then someone was, uh, someone else was like, no, it's F3. Someone else said something else. And so I just held down function and pressed each one of the buttons.

• 4:19Speaker 00

  All right.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  And now my laptop's screen is completely black and I don't know how to make it un-black. And so I can't figure out how to log in properly. And I feel like an absolute idiot right now. It's absolute cinemas going on right now.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Prime, time to think about it this way. I just realized. Time to get a laptop sponsor.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  I need a laptop sponsor immediately.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  We solved the problem. Who wants to send Prime to be the official laptop of the stream?

• 4:47Speaker 00

  Where's Framework? Call Framework, somebody call Framework.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  I need Framework right now.

• 4:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  I need him right now, yeah, because I can see my laptop, like, we're, oh, we're in the login menu. Because my other screen lights up gray, that's how I know I'm in the login menu. But my screen's just black, and so...

• 5:02Speaker 00

  Can you, can you switch consoles with Control, the Control, Alt, Shift, F1, F2, F3, F4, F5 to switch consoles? Can you use that still, or not really?

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Yes, I can, but the problem is, is it, oh, actually, you know what? That's a good idea, so I can do a little Control, Alt, function, F2.

• 5:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  And I believe that will actually mirror the display in both locations. Oh, I saw it pop up for a second. Oh, my gosh, we're so back in. I got it. We're so back in. Oh, we're so back in. Uh, keyboard doesn't work.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Show us, then.

• 5:29Speaker 04

  Okay, anyways, I don't want to talk, okay, we gotta quit talking about it.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Dude, it's stand-up, it's stand-up, show us, we're debugging Linux issues.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, can you hold that bad boy up? What are we looking at here, Prime?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  We're pair programming.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, TJ, can you please just put up my tweet for a second?

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Me?

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes, there's a reason why I'm in this state.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  He can't do anything, he can't even touch OBS, how's he's gonna put up a tweet?

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Why are you asking me to do things, Tej?

• 5:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, here, I can, I can make this happen like this.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay, that is what I'm streaming, that is my Windows experience right now, okay? I cannot change anything, I touch anything, it's so over. Everything is broken.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  The Stream Deck can do it for sure, dude, the Stream Deck can do it for sure.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Stream Deck just has the Stream Deck symbol on it, and that's it.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  This is amazing, I love this, I love it.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  I am, I'm hanging on by a thread, TJ.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Okay, I was, sorry, I was unfamiliar with your game. I apologize.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, so I'm gonna talk a little bit about my Linux experience, and so...

• 6:32Speaker 00

  I would prefer if you talked a lot about your Linux experience.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, so I've always used Linux in a very specific way. Which is that, I use it as minimally as possible. I use it in such a way where all I want to do is open up I3 and touch nothing else, and just have a terminal and a Chrome browser. Like, that's it, that's all I've ever done.

• 6:52Speaker 04

  Today, I just, I tried to do more than that, okay? No more X11. I'm just a normal Linux user, because I, I really am just a Neovim user. That's all I really am, is I'm, I'm a T-Mux Neovim user, I'm not actually a Linux user, I just like, I just want I3.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  T-Mux and Vim. So now I'm playing around with Linux, actually trying to get something to go. I have like fully bricked my machine. I'm not sure what I'm doing out here, but it is, it's bad. Okay. It's not, this is not looking good.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Can I explain what happened?

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Cause it's very obvious to me. It's very obvious. I can tell you what happened.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  What happened?

• 7:28Speaker 03

  You trusted 5,000 random people's advice to be one coherent storyline?

• 7:36Speaker 02

  He was just copying and pasting commands from chat.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  Are people who have been arguing with each other for the last 3.5 hours. Literally like, "No, don't use Ventoy. If you use Ventoy, you're gonna break your system. If you're not using DD, you're not a real Linux user. Do the Arch installer." And then you're like, "I'll try all three."

• 8:04Speaker 02

  You ran like a random command and you tried to like sudo apt archinstall like right after. I'm just like, "What's happening?"

• 8:10Speaker 04

  Well, I wanted to see if I, because I just needed the Arch install utility. I'm not sure exactly if it's just something you run from while you already have Ubuntu loaded. What is it? Anyway, so I got, I believe I DD'd the Arch ISO onto this USB. I think what I'm gonna do is just download the Arch ISO onto my Windows machine and just use my Windows booter, my Windows like flasher and just flash it from Windows and then try again. Cause that worked with Ubuntu. I've installed Ubuntu quite a few times from the, and it was just very, very simple. But this one, I haven't been doing it right. Okay. The reason why I decided to start Arch is that I could not get sway to seem to work correctly. And this is the second time I've done this where I start using ChatGPT or Grok to give me the commands I need to run.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  And every time I've done that, I've bricked my system in some horrible unknown way. The first time, I completely deleted my, like, I actually, there was no, I had nothing to run. Like, I had started my system and they're like, "There's no OS." And so I'm like, "Well, I screwed that one up. That was whoopsies." And so this next time, I tried it again, tried to do a little bit of vibe, vibe OSing and it did not work either.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  So this is what they meant with the AI is gonna take our jobs. Like literally, we won't be able to do them. Like there's not gonna be any other computers. It makes so much sense now.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  AI is gonna take away the jobs. They're not gonna do the jobs for us. They're just, they're going to be gone, literally.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  We're grounded from them. We're put in timeout. We're not allowed to touch the computer again. It's not working.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Dude, all this time, I thought Prime was a hardcore Linux user.

• 9:44Speaker 00

  No, I'm a softie.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  I'm a softie. Like, I know, I know, like, permissions issues, user issues, basic, like, software stuff, but when it comes to, like, Linux, yeah, skill issues, very familiar with it. But when it comes to actual, like, Linux stuff, like, hey, let's... Just to, just to be real here, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say something that's gonna hurt a lot of people's feelings. I really don't understand the difference between what a desktop environment or a compositor is. And why do they call sway a compositor and not a desktop environment? I don't know. I don't get it. I don't really know why, which one's which. Like, I just don't get it. But this is my life.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  I don't know why people are surprised. We've literally been making fun of Arch users for, like, five years. And intentionally saying, "I don't know anything about this. I installed NeoVim and got to work. I don't know anything else about this." Why is everyone expecting us to know what any of these commands are?

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. Because, let's just face it, there's no such thing as sway or Hyperland on a server. I just, like, is server running? Server not running? I did bad.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Is prod up or down? Sway is not in the picture. Sway is not in the picture for this.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  It's been, like, so long since I've done any serious Linux programming that I actually... I, I would have, at this point, asked the question, "So what is the taxonomy on Linux for, you know, the desktop?" But it sounds like no one here knows. Because, because, like, so, there, you know, X11 used to be the protocol for all the Windows stuff. My understanding was they, like, very rockily, sort of, slowly, you know, trying to, to fit, like, 1,000 gerbils through a very small pipe kind of thing. Eventually moved everyone to Wayland.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  But now you're saying Wayland is not what they would call a compositor, because you'd assume that Wayland would be what you would call a compositor, because it's the thing that's under the...

• 11:38Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no. Sway's the compositor, Wayland is the protocol.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  So what does compositor mean in this context, then?

• 11:45Speaker 04

  Uh, to composite these nuts on your chin? I honestly have no idea.

• 11:50Speaker 00

  I'll go read about it separately, fair enough. But it's been a very long time, so like, I'm like, I'm curious now. I'm like, so they have a three-layer system where they basically have like, window manager, then compositor, then the actual like, thing that does anything, right? Because the thing that actually is going to control the GPU to display these things, right?

• 12:10Speaker 04

  The compositor handles the windows, okay? So the compositor is the window manager.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  But where are the microplastics stored?

• 12:17Speaker 00

  Then why, then why isn't it called a window manager? Why did they change to calling it a compositor?

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Uh, I, okay, first off, again, I'm like a strip kitty.

• 12:26Speaker 00

  I should stop asking, I should stop asking. I'll just go read it. I'll just go read about it.

• 12:30Speaker 03

  Casey, Casey, wait. Prime, just answer the question. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. And then Casey, check the top comment of the video later. It will explain everything for you. Six paragraphs.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  Good point.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Historical citations, perfect information. So Prime, go ahead, say what you think. And we'll just wait for the top comment.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  Casey, can you repeat the question?

• 12:52Speaker 00

  The question was, what is that actual taxonomy? So, so is it just like, compositor is just a new name for window manager? So actually the taxonomy is exactly the same? So it's just window manager? And then the thing underlying the window manager, which used to be X11, which is now Wayland? And then we have the graphics driver?

• 13:09Speaker 04

  No, no, you have it incorrect. So what it is, is that a compositor is the exact same thing as a desktop environment. And so what ends up happening is X11 starts Wayland. And then Wayland starts, like, any of your desktop environments, i.e. Sway. And that's really what's happening. So it goes, it goes Sway, Wayland, X11.

• 13:29Speaker 00

  Right.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  Kernel.

• 13:30Speaker 00

  Wait, oh, X11 is...

• 13:32Speaker 03

  This is all going over my head. X11 is just there for compat- you mean?

• 13:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, it's there, it's a compatibility thing.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  And chat is right now, I would love to show you chat, but I can't.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  Guys, guys.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  It's just a wall of no's. Someone's solving this in the YouTube comments. Thank you TJ for doing it.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Guys, people keep saying X11 and Wayland are competitors. No, we're saying compositors, guys, okay? Compositors.

• 13:56Speaker 04

  It is not competitors, that's ridiculous.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Dude, I still haven't recovered from the composite these nuts. I'm like still, I'm still falling apart from that comment.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  You only had that on the mind because I did the inst DN, so you needed to do that.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  It was very good. TJ, I hope you know I knew that was coming.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  No, it was so obvious, it was good. I couldn't figure out how to make Randall say inst DN without spelling it out too obvious, because then I want to do install these nuts on your machine, obviously. Uh, but it was fine, the speech to text, I needed like a Randall-

• 14:31Speaker 04

  You do commas, if you do a bunch of commas, it makes Randall pause for a second. So you can just like, put in that space, so I go, well, and then it hits me with the D's nuts, so it's like-

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Even if I know it's coming, you preemptively steal my thunder and then force me to-

• 14:45Speaker 03

  True, true, okay, next time, I'll up my Randall game, sorry, sorry chat.

• 14:49Speaker 00

  So, would it be fair to say that the story of the week is that PewDiePie got 110 million people excited about Linux and then Prime immediately ruined the whole thing? Is that what basically happened? Is that, is that the story of the week?

• 15:06Speaker 03

  It's basically like, you know how in the cooking shows where, where they like do, they do the like cooking and then they put it in the oven and then they pull out the nice one? That's PewDiePie's video, you know what I'm saying, where it's like, wow, it's amazing! Then they do Instagram vs. Reality and it's like, Prime's cooking in the kitchen! Here we go! Oops, we bricked the oven, our bad!

• 15:30Speaker 04

  So to be completely fair, though, the difference between me and PewDiePie isn't that he's somehow a lot smarter than me. He has tens of millions of dollars and retired a long time ago and he just decided to side quest for the last year getting his arch installed.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  He also has no experience with programming or know anything about Linux. So I mean, it's like...

• 15:50Speaker 00

  Wait, did he actually install arch?

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, he's arching hard. He's arching hard. So instead of having a job or like meetings or whatever he wants to do, he's just like, "I'm gonna side quest for the next three weeks."

• 16:00Speaker 02

  He's got that deep arch.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  I think he's smarter. He did not listen to chat. Like, I think there's... Or maybe wiser. Like, I don't know which one it is in this case.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  He definitely spent hours upon hours.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  It's actually Mint. If you watch the whole video chat, dummies, it wasn't Mint. It started with Mint and then he said, "But my favorite one," and then he whips out arch in Hyperland where he does everything and all that. The reality, like, if I were to do this the way I would want to do it, is that I would turn off stream and not talk to anybody for 10 hours and just read because that is really the only successful way to do this.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  It does take him that long.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it would take me that long. But instead, we're gonna do both and I'm gonna listen to chat, and that was a bad mistake, TJ. You were right. I'm gonna go back to reading the arch wiki and just following it one step at a time.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Bisco will be so happy if you actually read the arch wiki. He was in shambles in chat.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  There was like zero thought going through Prim's brain. He wasn't even thinking. He was just copying and pasting and he was like, "I don't know."

• 16:57Speaker 00

  To be fair, that's pretty close to what the experience is if you're naive and go to want to use Linux. Because what you're gonna do is, you're gonna try to run it, you're gonna get a terminal, you know, the terminal out's gonna start, and it's just gonna have something where it's like, you get an error message. And you have no... You're gonna put that into Stack Overflow and you're gonna cut and paste whatever the dude said, right?

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  And you're gonna hope that that... Because there's no way you're coming up to speed on like, "Oh, let me go learn the 13 million line Linux kernel so that I'm gonna know exactly what this line actually means in Prim." Like, that's not happening. You're just going to Stack Overflow and hoping that somebody has the answer to your... Or maybe not even Stack Overflow, wherever it comes up, right? You're gonna hope that they've got that thing for you and you're gonna hope that it's for your distribution or a distribution close enough to yours that it's right and all that stuff. So... Cutting and pasting from chat is actually kind of a good way to simulate what will happen to a naive user, which is frankly, something that's worth checking. It's like, what will happen to some user? Not someone who wants to become an expert at Linux. What will happen to just a user?

• 18:05Speaker 00

  Mildly knowledgeable user who knows how to use a terminal and knows how to search the internet. What's gonna happen? And the answer is, you know, 50% brick your machine. Roughly, right?

• 18:15Speaker 04

  Dude, install sway.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Minute-long startup times. Not sure what I just did wrong, but here I am. Do a little quick command I learned from PewDiePie's video.

• 18:30Speaker 00

  Sorry, I should say PewDiePie or whatever. PewDiePie sounds better to me. I've always said it that way.

• 18:37Speaker 04

  PewDiePie.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  I just died when you said that the first time.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  Sorry.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Okay, we call them Pewds. You can just call them Pewds. Pew, Pew!

• 18:45Speaker 00

  That's way worse. PewDiePie.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  He's definitely gonna mess that up, too. Like, there's a lot of other words close to Pewds.

• 18:52Speaker 04

  Okay, Pewds. Anyways, Pewds, uh... I forgot where we're even going right now. I don't even remember what's happening.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  I was just trying to get Trashy to do a spit take. Almost got him.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  I've been laughing this whole time. I just can't stop dying.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Oh, man. People are attempting... Yeah, we did a little system D blame. I learned it from Pewd's little video. And a little system D, uh, whatever. It was analyze blame.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  I keep waiting for you to go, "System D's nuts."

• 19:18Speaker 04

  No, no, no. I was just being real here. Okay, no nuts at the end of this rainbow. And when I did a little system D analyze, "D's nuts" on your chin, uh, what I did afterwards is I did a little blame, and it's literally a minute and a half in log control.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  I don't even know...

• 19:35Speaker 04

  Or, sorry, journal. Journal control. I don't even know what it's doing.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  Dude, you gotta spend time journaling every day if you wanna be a P performance. That's why.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  You are not watching enough internet content, Prime. You are unaware of the journaling life hacks, okay?

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Nice, dude.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  Okay, that's true. Anyways, I'm four hours into this and I've gotten nowhere.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  No, no, no, that's not true. You've moved so far back from where you started. You had a machine that you could work on at the beginning of the day.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, he got to work backwards.

• 20:14Speaker 03

  With Linux, who's already Linux at the beginning of the day.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  He was Linux at the start.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  To be fair, I still have that position. It just takes a minute and a half to start up now.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Oh, this hurts.

• 20:35Speaker 00

  Actually, actually, you could... So in the status report for this week, if you just use the word "increase" ambiguously, you could be like, "increased startup times by a minute." It might sound like that was good, right?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, but honestly, my stand-up, like, kind of my stand-up status is a blocker computer. That's currently my big blocker right now.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Let's get IT down here. Let's get you back up and running. So, this is unfortunate because this is kind of throwing a little bit of a ice-water bucket on the year of the Linux desktop, which I thought was going to be the topic today, which I was excited to talk about.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  We're cancelling it again.

• 21:24Speaker 00

  And it, like, that was it. It just got flushed down the toilet.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  No, honestly, I think, to be completely fair, I would have approached this a lot different in a non-stream world. And so therefore, I think this would have been a lot better of an experience. Done a little bit of lay of the land, market research, make sure everything is good, and then do this. But it is so much more fun just to try things and paste commands from chat. Because honestly, the worst thing that's going to happen is that I have to download Ubuntu again, put it on a flash drive from Windows, plug it in, and have... My dot files just work on Ubuntu immediately. So it takes like 20 minutes for me to go from 0 to 60. And so it's not a big deal. And so I'm just having fun, just trying things out. And I learned a lot of things. Like, one thing I learned is that a custom keyboard layout,

• 22:10Speaker 04

  that's a software remap at the, like, at the compositor level, uh, sucks. That really sucks. My XKB map sucks. I don't even, I still don't know how to fix it. I'm gonna have to learn more about that.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Yes, this is also why no one can use your computer even when we hook a regular keyboard up to it. And it's very difficult to do anything in person with you.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  I know. I need to just, I need to just go back to the default and just accept it. I just don't want to hurt my little pinky. Like, honestly, the reason why I switched and all that is because I, I had so much pain in my pinkies, because so much of just your right pinky does all the symbols. And so...

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, my pinky actually really hurts, for real.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, no, this is a real problem for people, for, uh, elder millennials.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Trash, you type for like, 3 minutes a day, dude. What? I, you're on a podcast!

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Work in here, what are you talking about?

• 23:01Speaker 00

  Can you guys elaborate on the pinky thing? What, what are you talking about?

• 23:05Speaker 04

  So on a, on a standard QWERTY layout keyboard...

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Your pinky controls, like, every opening and closing symbol.

• 23:13Speaker 00

  Cause of the shift key?

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Control key and shift. Control specifically kills my, like, my poor little pinky.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's why I've switched over to, obviously, to thumb clusters. Thumb clusters make life good. Right? They, they prevent the whole control problem, but, like, you're holding shift with one side, and then you're doing all of that with the other side, and that's like where all my wrist problems came from. It's just simply going to a thumb cluster and then moving my symbols onto my fingers. But I always did it from a software layout, because I did originally this layout for my macOS. And so when I switched to Ubuntu, I just kept going, because I just used a laptop keyboard. There was no ZMK or anything. So I still don't have a ZMK keyboard. And I did this one swap over. This is gonna sound so stupid. I do like, I forget what it is. Uh, I forget actually what it is. I think it's a percent sign and grave are on the same key. And it turns out with like, ZMK, that's just the impossible combo.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  There's some combo with grave, dollar sign, tilde, and percent sign are one of those that is just the impossible combo. That you, that I cannot... I cannot, I, I forget which one it is, but I, all I know is everywhere, I could not get it to work.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  So, uh, this is kind of, this comes as, as a shock to me. This comes as a, as a, uh, um, a, um, well, I, I won't elaborate, but the, uh, I thought, since you guys are all Vim users, which I, is that correct? Or at least, at least I know two of you are. I don't know if Trash is, but...

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 24:38Speaker 00

  Okay, I didn't know, I, I, but I was like, you guys, I just assumed that since you were Vim users, there would be no modifier key finger stress, because here's what happened to me, and I apologize to all the GNU Emacs fans out there in the audience. Uh, I used GNU Emacs originally, like, long, when I was very young, uh, I was in high school, and I was switching from Amiga to PC. And I was like, I need an editor, because like, I don't know anything about this environment. It's DOS. I have literally no idea, like, what you even use to edit code. So, and I'm a kid, so like, there's no money. I'm not gonna buy a professional editor or anything. I used GNU Emacs, because it's free. It's a thing you can just get and use. So I started using that.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  I'd like to just interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux is actually GNU Linux, or as I've recently taken the call in it, GNU Plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system, made useful by the GNU CoreLabs, shell utilities, and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

• 25:42Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm, I'm sorry that no one said that earlier. I apologize to chat for incorrectly saying things like Arch Linux instead of Arch GNU Linux this entire time. Uh, the brand damage has been done. You will be hearing from the, the GNU Foundation's legal team.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  We now have two YouTube comments.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  No, but I used GNU Emacs for a very long time. Till I was like, I don't know, 38 or 9 or something like that. Very, very long time. And I had horrible finger strain, like pinky strain that you're talking about.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  So then, one day, I was just like, I think it's just because Emacs makes you hold down the control key like 99% of the time, right?

• 26:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  Like, and, or Alt, or whatever, like various keys. So I made a new thing, I made like an editor shim thing. I used an existing one and I made another shim thing that just doesn't have any modifier keys, right? It's just, it's all regular. And, you know, I still use Shift, though. And all that went away. My hands, I've never had that problem again. So I was just like, oh, VI users have never suffered this problem because they weren't using GNU Emacs. But now I'm finding out that's not true?

• 26:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, we don't suffer it nearly as bad as, like, I mean, the whole joke is that my friend used Emacs and then it's a guy with like two broken arms and thumbs.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Right? Or like, it's typical Emacs user, which has like the hand blown in half, x-ray.

• 27:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Like, that's always it. Actually, in fact, fun side story. I have a coworker who's like, or I had a coworker when I was back at Netflix, by the way, if you didn't know. And his name, Anders was his name, and he used Emacs. He was a big Emacs guy, but he was like 45. And I never watched him type, but I was just like, oh, dude, you still use, like, don't you have like pinky problems or wrist problems? And he unironically went, oh, no, I never did because I never learned how to type. And I was like, what? He uses two fingers on each side and he hobs all over the place and his thumbs come out and this is how he types. That's like ET. And he types so fast. He literally gets like 80, 90 words per minute, just tossing out four fingies max. If, dude, Trash, you are at Netflix. Next time you're up at Los Gatos, you gotta go. I'm going there next week.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go find him. Hey. Yeah, be like, Anders, let me see this. I gotta see this. Dude, the guy's a wizard. Not only is he probably the best programmer I've ever met, he's also like the fastest, like, typing programmer I've ever met and he's just rocking four fingers and thumbs.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  That's where you gotta be like, chat, there's no, you guys have no excuse. Like, you have all your fingers attached and you can use them? Like, you guys still aren't typing 100 words per minute? Weak.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Forget about it. Men, what is stopping you from typing 100 words per minute?

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Yes, apparently using all ten fingers. You need to minimize, reduce.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  Alright, well, this has been very educational. Now, I don't know why. Maybe, so is what happened basically like using GNU Emacs for 20 or 30 years or whatever it ended up being was like, I ended up with like, super pinky? So then when I went to something that's modal, it's like, the shift key, that's all I have to press now. And so like, it's like, yeah, GNU Emacs is like, it's like, before you get up to bat in baseball, you put the donut, the like, weight on the bat and you're swinging it so that when you come up after, it's just this light thing. That's GNU Emacs.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  We need a supercut of the Rock Lee scene, but it's Casey dropping Emacs and now he's crushing all the parentheses and stuff and shift key, no problem.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  So I have a real question.

• 29:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Back to the actual Linux topic. I've never actually been like, an actual Linux user. I've tried it before. Never really got the appeal, because this was kind of my journey. I used Windows to play video games back in the day. Counter-Strike or something, StarCraft, whatever. Cool. I never really did anything crazy. I wasn't programming back then. All I did was double-click a StarCraft icon and go about my day, and then that's it, right? And then, somewhere along the line, I became a programmer and then they handed me a MacBook and I was like, cool. Just, everything works fine. I never once in my life felt like I ever needed Linux. One, because like, on Windows, again, I just play a game and then I get off. Like, I don't try to do anything in the terminal, I don't try to do anything crazy. It was pretty fast.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  And then, at work, I have a Mac, I can install my tools relatively easy. First, like, a Windows machine. And then, that was kind of like, the end of my OS, like, journey. So when I see people talk about like, Linux, it kind of, one, put me off, because one, like, prime example is prime, literally, what just happened on stream. One, that's like, one of the main reasons why I never tried it, like, hardcore. And then, two...

• 30:33Speaker 02

  Like, almost every day, there's like, an audio issue. Like, I'll just be talking to someone, he's like, "Oh, hold on, I gotta restart." And I'm like, "Why would you do this to yourself?" Like, "Why would you do that?" I just, I don't understand. Now, I'm at the point in my life where I just don't have time to do it anyways. But I just, I just, it just seems like suffering. And I just, like, for me, like, Prime said something that struck with me. Like, I like to just be in the terminal, all I need is, like, Neovim or something, and then I'll rice that out if I have to. Otherwise, riceing a desktop to me is changing my background picture. "Oh, that's a nice background picture!" And I'm like, "That's a pretty good, that's a pretty good desktop!" And then I'm done, right? I need, I need, I need, like, reasons here.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, I can at least speak for why we run some here, which is that, in... The Mac world is like, if you decide, we're just, we're just gonna let go. It's, it's kind of like, the most positive way to do it, to say it, would be if you were gonna compare it to Buddhism, where you're like, "Look, when a man enters a stream, he must move with the water, right? He cannot, he cannot move against the flow, or whatever, right? Or something like this. I apologize to the Buddhists out there, not knowing what the hell, uh, anything is about." But, uh, you know, it's that kind of mindset, where it's just like, "Look, you know, the ghost of Steve Jobs will guide my computer, and wherever that's going, is where I'm gonna go, and be happy, right?"

• 31:59Speaker 00

  And that does seem to work pretty well. If you're in that mindset, and you just go with it, then that's fine, right? And if they decide that, "Oh, you know what? We've just decided that you're not allowed to run any programs anymore, that we don't approve." And you're just like, "That's fine, because I want all my programs approved by Steve Jobs." That's like, if you're in that headspace, you're gonna have smooth sailing, right?

• 32:21Speaker 00

  Windows and Linux used to be ways, you know, if you weren't want that. Windows was like, "I want control over my computer, but I wanna pay somebody to make the sound work, right?" That was Windows. "I don't wanna pay somebody to make the sound work, and I'll just make the sound. I'm gonna make a few hours a week."

• 32:40Speaker 03

  "I don't wanna pay someone to make it work, and it won't work."

• 32:43Speaker 00

  "And I'm gonna fix it. I'm gonna fix it repeatedly, right? I'm gonna fix it, and then I'm gonna get indignant when someone on the internet doesn't know how to fix it, right? That's, that's the Linux way, right?"

• 32:53Speaker 03

  "Key feature is the indignity."

• 32:57Speaker 00

  And so, those were, I mean, and that's sort of why, right? And that's why I was a Windows user as well. Like, I don't really like the Mac ecosystem all that much. I like sort of having this ability, or at least previously, having this ability to have more control over what's going on. I can send a program to somebody and they can run it. It's not going to come up with like gatekeeping software that's like, "I don't know, Apple hasn't notarized this, I think we better not," right? Which has gotten increasingly sort of aggressive. So, that's why I used to use Windows and was pretty happy with it. But recently, Windows has kind of been taking away both of those positives. They're becoming increasingly more, you don't control your machine.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  So, the ads in the start menu, there, every time you run Windows Update, which you're required to run, it installs Cortana again, right? And you're just like, "When I said I didn't want this on my machine the first time, it wasn't like, 'Oh, you know, we can still be friends and maybe we'll date again in the future.'" It's like, "No, I meant, I never want to see you again, okay?" Right? Like, this was a very bad relationship that I'd just like to forget. And so, it keeps becoming more Mac-like in that way. And the reliability kind of is going down, right? Now, it's like, "Oh, yeah, well, the audio in Windows might not work all that reliably anymore." So, the value proposition goes down, and now you're just kind of paying the $200 for

• 34:22Speaker 00

  a Windows license and actually getting closer and closer to a Linux/Mac experience, like the worst of both worlds. So, at least for me, very long-winded explanation as I always give, but that's the truth of my experience with it. Linux, to me, is now like, "Well, at some point, there's going to be a crossover here. At some point, if I don't want to move to Mac," which I really kind of don't, I'd like to build my own machines, etc., etc., "I'm going to have to move to Linux because Windows is going to make it inhospitable." Like, it's going to be enough work that not only am I not going to want to do that work, but I'm not going to want to have to pay them 200 bucks for the privilege of doing that work, right? So, Linux looks more and more attractive all the time, and we're running two Linux machines here now.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  We still do most of our stuff on Windows, but you know, that could, I'm looking to change that as pop, as, as the ability arises to do so.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  And to be fair, Windows, or I mean, Linux has gotten a lot better with audio and video. Like the last, it's vastly different from my 2016 experience versus my 2024 experience.

• 35:27Speaker 00

  And it's on Steam Deck now, right? Which is a big boost because it means that now there's like, there is a platform where Linux is kept running for gaming, which is obviously important to me. Uh, because I, I do that kind of dev work. So, you know, like, like there's, there's positive signs on the Linux horizon.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  I would say too, the other thing is like, there are viable, like, hardware vendors who sell with Linux ready for you. And then like, like that's, that's all of like my desktop that I'm running right now. Like I didn't install anything on it to get started. It came and I plugged it in the wall and it's been my most reliable machine ever. I've never had like an issue. Audio, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, everything just works. It works just fine. And then like, I've had more problems with my old work Mac that I have where like you upgrade between some Mac version.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  And then half of things uninstalled or don't work or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And so I do think, I think there is like a little bit different value prop today. Where you could be like, oh, if I want more of this like plug and play experience, like there's System 76, Framework, like a bunch of these other guys where you can just be like, yes, they sell a limited set of hardware options. They make sure the sound card is compatible with their kernel. Sweet. And I've like upgraded several like LTSs basically, like on, on this one. And it's always just like, run the command. And then it'll install, like, so I do think there is something there to where like, I think that value prop is getting quite a bit different than it was when it was like,

• 37:04Speaker 03

  "Take your old ThinkPad and hope you bought the right combo of hardware, software, "Oops, that Wi-Fi card doesn't work till you download the latest update, so you have to find an Ethernet cable that's gonna work." Oh, and then like, you know, like...

• 37:16Speaker 00

  And the power management was also messed up, so like, your battery life was like, half of what it was in Windows, right? And all that stuff, so there were a lot of downsides.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  So I used, uh, my very first Linux machine was a Razer, uh, 2016 Razer laptop for gaming and all that.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  That's a nice laptop. That was back when those were good.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  It was a very good laptop, but I could not take my Razer laptop to a meeting. An hour-long meeting, it would be dead before I got back out of the meeting. And I tried to install, this is back when Bumblebee was the thing that would like, switch between the two modes in Linux. Bumblebee never seemed to work, okay? Bumblebee was just a drag, and it just was, it was an awful experience. And I just remember attempting to make battery life work was 10% of my job at Netflix. It was just like, "Okay, how can I improve battery life?" And it just was so bad. I think I got it from like, 15 minutes to 45 minutes, and that's as good as I got it, and then I gave up and got a ThinkPad.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't blame the, the Linux maintainers at all for that kind of stuff. Because, you know, they're, they are so, um, they have such a much harder job, because like, Nvidia doesn't wanna really help them, right? Like, they, they don't wanna, uh, so, you know, Bumblebee is, that means you're running on an Optimus laptop, right? Which is Nvidia's kind of mucked version where they got the discrete GPU.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can switch between integrated and...

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, and so like, you know, the, the poor Linux people, they just get that dumped in their lap, right? And, and Nvidia won't open source any of the, the stuff for the actual like, control binary blobs. And so they're, they're just like, "Have to reverse engineer things and all this other stuff." And so like, again, just because this is a public thing, we're, we're saying this, and it's, you know, it's a video that everyone will see. I don't think a lot of these things are the maintainer's fault either, even back in the day. It's just, from a user's perspective, they don't really care whose fault it is, right? It's like, when you're gonna go use a laptop, all you care is whether the battery life is good or not, right? And so it's like, yeah, you know, a lot of that can be traced back to the fact that Windows just has this ecosystem advantage,

• 39:25Speaker 00

  and they also are not mandating, like, they don't make closed source, they don't make open source mandates for things, so, you know, vendors are more willing to like, have their secret sauce on there and all that sort of thing.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  And so, yeah, you do end up in that situation. Fortunately, like, because of, I guess, of competition in the marketplace, this worked out well, other vendors did. So now you're just like, yeah, you don't, everyone knows you don't buy an Nvidia GPU if you're using Linux. You just buy an AMD one and we're good, right? And that actually does seem to hold true now. Like, I've built two Linux machines, I just did AMD GPUs for both of them, no issues, right? Everything runs exactly as I would expect it, and so on. And, uh, and so, you know, I do think there's, there's an element of just like,

• 40:08Speaker 00

  they were dealt a losing hand during that period of time, anyway.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Well, I hear it's a lot better, and so, once I can see my login screen again, I'll tell you how good it is, okay? Because, uh, you know, I would like to get some of these things more set up, and so I'm gonna probably, I would like to, I mean, ultimately, what I'd like to do is get this into a dual boot mode where I can actually run both. But my guess is that I'll just go for it, and just get it up and running, and then spend the next four days trying to get it running.

• 40:39Speaker 00

  Run both, I'm sorry, run both what?

• 40:41Speaker 04

  Uh, Ubuntu and Arch.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  Okay, so two Linises.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Linuxes.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  Is it possible, I know I'm probably gonna say something really stupid right now, but I just wanna ask. Is it possible to set up, like, sort of a, okay, we're gonna put, like, the home directory on a separate drive, or a separate partition, and then I boot Arch and Ubuntu, and I have the same... Roughly the same state on both, like overlaid? Or is it like, no, do not do that? Because the dot files will all be wrong and they just be that like?

• 41:14Speaker 04

  I see a wall of yeses.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  So I'm gonna assume no.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Which means that you have to.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  When I see people so emphatically like, yes, that means no, it's very, very difficult.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, understood. So if chat says yes, it means no.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, if they're really confident, oh, I can show you how. Check out this six-part guide about how to set this up. And don't worry, you only have to reinstall three times. And after you follow this, you're going to feel superior too.

• 41:41Speaker 00

  Here's a script that creates the 637 different symbolic links you will need to make this work.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Oh, don't install anything from node, it's GG's after that.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  Love it. No, but okay, that's cool then. I mean, that would be kind of fun.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  This is the problem.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  I'm, that's why I just need to download the Arch ISO and just do the Windows laptop.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  You're gonna one-shot it once you do that. Honestly, like, it's really easy. Stop trying to overlay your existing system on top of it.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  I know, I know, I know. You're probably right.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Oh, we can see your.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Oh, crap. You can see, oh, yeah, I forgot, I'm using Riverside. I was just gonna get this download. There you go, we're back.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  The private.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  I was just gonna get it downloading in the right now, so it's easy. I forgot. Riverside won't give me the streams right now, so I have, I'm stealing.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  I just love, the first thing it shows on your thing, Netflix stock. That's what it shows in the preview.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Oh, nice, it does? That's pretty sweet. Netflix stock, that's pretty good. I like that.

• 42:47Speaker 00

  So I will simply say, in the year of the Linux desktop, which I had hoped would be the theme, but then kind of wasn't. I just did want to mention what we currently experience running Linux desktops here.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  And that is that actually.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  Can you say here, by the way?

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Yes. Sorry, what? What is here?

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  For those who don't know.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, for those that don't know.

• 43:11Speaker 00

  Oh, just at Molly Rocket? I mean, the place where I make it. If you read any of my content, I have to have a place to make that. There is a place where this has to occur. And so, we have machines. We use computers to do some of that work.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  But not everyone's familiar with Molly Rocket and who you are. So, that's why I was like, you know, give it like the ones, the 30 second.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no. We don't need to plug anything. We don't need to plug anything. So, about Computer Enhance? No!

• 43:37Speaker 04

  ComputerEnhance.com with Casey, Molly Rocket, Moritorie. Miratory, sorry. I said it wrong.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  I'm trying to make a very important point here. Hit us. Hit us with the point.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  Okay, just ComputerEnhance.com.

• 43:48Speaker 00

  We don't do that at the stand-up. Good point. I just wanted to say, weirdly, at least for me, Linux, the maintenance cost of Linux has actually shifted somewhat to being, it's almost like, my understanding, my limited understanding, and I don't know ornithology at all, but my limited understanding.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Neither do I.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Exactly. My limited understanding is that like when two like bald eagles are gonna like have sex, they like start really high up because they're gonna just plummet to the ground in this like, in this disgusting sex spiral until they almost hit the ground and pull out of it, right?

• 44:31Speaker 04

  What is that?

• 44:31Speaker 00

  Okay? So, that to me. Very relatable, so far. So far, I'm tracking. I'm with you 100%. That to me.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  This to me captures how I'm feeling about my Linux and Windows machines now. Okay?

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Sex spiral, guys.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Spiral.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  They are in this spiral of some disgusting spiral that I'm not really, I'm like watching, kind of horrified from the ground. And I'm like, I hope one of these pulls out in time to take back off again. Because basically what happens to me now is, any time a machine updates, I don't care what machine it is, I don't care if it's a Windows machine or a Linux machine, any time it updates. That's several hours of me having to do work now. So it's like, oh, the Linux machine updated and it's just, now it doesn't boot anymore. Like, why doesn't it boot anymore? Oh, because I go online and I read up. It turns out the people who maintain that distribution decided to change which servers it was on.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  And there's no way to redistribute which keys authenticate those servers. So you have to manually install the new keys to get the servers. Then you do that, and of course, by the time you do that, your package is behind now. And the new packages that install, they conflict. So now you have to manually disable a bunch of packages to run the install. Then re-enable those packages to get them up. And you're just like, that's your life now, right? Whereas Windows, it's like, okay, it was gonna do its update. Oh, now brush tracking doesn't work on our artist machines. Because they changed the interaction, like Photoshop updated, we plugged the machine into the internet. That's when you know the day is going bad, because it's not plugged into the internet normally. We leave them.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  That's where the sex spiral comes in.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  Plug it in, the sex spiral starts. Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 00

  The artist machine doesn't work anymore. The brush tracking doesn't work, because Photoshop updated, Windows Ink updated. Now they're no longer compatible. The whackum driver is crapping itself over the corner.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  I get to get whackum to work consistently anyways.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  It's a nightmare.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  I think that's normal.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  So it's like, our machines work because I've fixed them in between updates. And then some bunch of people out in the Ethernet who, I don't, what are you people doing when you make software? This garbage comes down into the machine and nothing works for like three hours. And I have to fix it all. It's disgusting. What is happening?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Classic sex spiral.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  That's the experience.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  I'm an ornithologist, but that's a sex spiral.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  It's a bald eagle sex spiral. To call it by its full name, it's a bald eagle sex spiral. It's a filthy disgusting thing happening. And everyone, they're about to die if they don't get this done.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  The Google Trends on that phrase is gonna be insane.

• 47:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  We're gonna be able to see the change in that phrase on Google Trends tomorrow.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:26Speaker 04

  Oh, this might have been my favorite episode of the stand-up. This one was birthed out of pain and ends still in pain.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  I had a good time.

• 47:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  No blockers on my end. My computer's still working, so I'm blocked, well, I'm blocked on Prime's computer. He had the files.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. I learned a lot today. Loved Galactus. Pushed us out two or three years.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  I love that we do that every single time.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  Trash, any thoughts?

• 47:52Speaker 04

  Love Galactus.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  There's so many funny moments. I just can't.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Alright, well, let's cut the stream then.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's, let's just cut it. Okay, so I, I don't want to press anything on this computer, so I'm probably just, I'm just gonna have to like...

• 48:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't, don't, I'm gonna, Prime?

• 48:09Speaker 03

  Goodbye YouTube, I'm stopping the recording.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  We'll see you next time on the stand-up.