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Timestamps:
0:00 – Intro & Time Zone Debate
1:27 – Meet Dax: New Guest Introduction
2:29 – Elizabeth Holmes' Partner Starts a New Blood Testing Company
7:56 – New Pretty URL Browser: Scam Risks & Usability
13:39 – Are Clean URLs Safer or More Deceptive for Normies?
15:52 – Dax Rants About Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky
21:07 – Why Airbnb Experiences Might Fail
25:00 – “Trash is a Flat Earther?”
30:16 – Absurd Airbnb Quotes About Steve Jobs
34:00 – Coinbase Hack: $20M Bounty Instead of Ransom
35:44 – Closing Roast: Founders With “Show Muscles”
Transcript 0:00 Speaker 00 You know how it goes.
0:04 Speaker 01 Why can't I hear you?
0:05 Speaker 00 Oh, um.
0:10 Speaker 00 Am I... Oh! Cause I'm stupid?
0:19 Speaker 02 Uh, anyways, I'm sorry.
0:20 Speaker 00 We should just do one timezone in the US, like Beijing time.
0:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, it should be Pacific time.
0:27 Speaker 01 They don't have one timezone?
0:28 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, I think so.
0:29 Speaker 03 I mean, that would just make everything easier.
0:31 Speaker 00 I think, like, I think that they just do Beijing time, as, uh, if, if I remember correctly.
0:36 Speaker 01 But, like, everyone eats lunch at, like, a different time, basically.
0:38 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I mean, you just know that, like, 2, 2pm is lunchtime or whatever. It's not weird. Trash, you already don't eat dinner at the same time as everyone else. Adam's eating dinner at 4pm, brushing his teeth and going to bed. Like, it doesn't matter.
0:52 Speaker 03 What time is, what time is Adam going to bed? Like, actually? Is he, like, really going to bed?
0:56 Speaker 00 I don't know, but he brushes his teeth at 4:30pm and he never eats anything.
1:00 Speaker 03 What?
1:02 Speaker 01 Not only that, it's like such a hurdle for him that once he brushes his teeth, he just refuses to eat anything.
1:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, you can't brush your teeth like that.
1:11 Speaker 00 Even vegan food. We were at a restaurant that had vegan options, and he's like, "Guys, I brush my teeth." And we're like, "You can do it again!"
1:20 Speaker 00 It's not gonna work out this time.
1:22 Speaker 01 But vegan donuts are way crazier than normal ones for some reason. Oh, hey.
1:25 Speaker 02 Hey, hi, hey, hi, hey, hi.
1:28 Speaker 03 Hello.
1:28 Speaker 02 Hey. Guys, we have an action packed day today, and we, we have, we have a new set of guests on today. And by new set, I mean just Dax. Officially stated that he is better than Trash. Is this true?
1:44 Speaker 01 We're gonna have chat vote at the end.
1:45 Speaker 03 Dax has a cult following, it's not fair.
1:47 Speaker 01 We're gonna have chat vote who to vote off.
1:50 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:50 Speaker 01 And I'm gonna be permanently banned from the stand-up.
1:52 Speaker 02 It's true. So, chat, at the end of this, we'll do, we're gonna do a poll, if you like Dax or Trash. And whoever loses, not only has to leave the stand-up. I'm gonna go back through the previous YouTube videos and blur out their face. So, if Trash loses, he's like, he's gone forever. Okay.
2:10 Speaker 00 We're gonna put a cancelled sticker on them for each one.
2:13 Speaker 02 Yup. Okay, everybody ready to do this? So, we have a spicy one today, and I just wanted to start off with what I consider the greatest thing that I have ever seen in my lifetime, which is, there is a new URL browser. But before I guess, oh, I should do an intro, right? Hey, everybody, this is the stand-up. Guess what?
2:32 Speaker 00 I thought we already did the intro.
2:33 Speaker 02 Dude, we did not do it properly. This is the stand-up we have with us, Dax, TJ, and Trash Dev. At the end of this, we're gonna determine who actually has to leave the stand-up permanently, whether it be Trash or Dax. But, before we begin, I want, or actually, now that we can begin-
2:48 Speaker 00 I can't tell if this is a joke, and it's stressing me out.
2:51 Speaker 01 It's not a joke, it's 100% real.
2:52 Speaker 00 There's no way you didn't already do the intro, though.
2:55 Speaker 02 Okay, maybe I already did the intro. I couldn't remember. Okay, hey, take it out, take it out.
3:00 Speaker 00 Leave it in.
3:00 Speaker 02 Josh, take it out. Alright, so I was gonna say we're gonna talk about URLs, but we're gonna actually start with the better one. Are you ready for this? Dax?
3:07 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
3:07 Speaker 02 I wanna hear your opinion right away, on this. Okay, this is the most important part of it all. You may not be able to see this unless if you're in, uh, on the stream, but Elizabeth Holmes' partner has a new blood testing startup. That's right, Elizabeth, who has been known for scamming medical stuff based on blood startups, has now officially started another blood startup. Are you ready for this? Is this gonna actually happen? Has tech reached its pinnacle ridiculousness that if you start an AI company, and it doesn't matter who you are, you get millions of dollars of funding?
3:40 Speaker 01 I think this is a great idea, off the bat. That's what I'm gonna say. Okay, look. Who in the world has thought about blood testing more? Probably her, and she's like in jail.
3:51 Speaker 02 The people that put her in jail?
3:52 Speaker 00 Yeah, she's in jail, right?
3:54 Speaker 01 I'm saying she knows everything she's done wrong. I'm sure every day of her life, she was probably like, if only I did this one thing different, the one thing being not the fraud. Like, she probably, she like probably has learned her lesson, right? It was a big lesson.
4:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, what, Prime, you don't believe in second chances, dude?
4:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:09 Speaker 00 Oh, the, from meth to Netflix guy. Really, he doesn't believe in second chances.
4:13 Speaker 02 So what I don't know is, I don't know the recidivism rate on, uh, scamming people, uh, when it comes to blood testing, or when it comes to medical testing magic software. So, I don't know if she, I don't know if it's 100% or zero.
4:26 Speaker 01 It's gonna be 100% if you don't support this, is, is the point here.
4:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, prime jails for rehabilitation, dude. Come on. Let her, let her rehabilitate herself and put herself back in a good spot. Okay?
4:37 Speaker 01 But what's the chance she's gonna do it again?
4:40 Speaker 02 Okay, I feel like none of you, what are the chances she's gonna do it again?
4:44 Speaker 03 But how do you do it from jail? That's my question. I don't get it.
4:47 Speaker 00 They even have cell phones, Crax. You can call.
4:50 Speaker 03 But don't like, don't, don't founders, like, aren't they 24/7 on? Like, doesn't she have like five minutes?
4:55 Speaker 01 It's her part, it's her partner's thing, but I'm sure they're talking about it.
4:58 Speaker 02 This is what none of us are saying right now, which is, how do you feel being that Evan fellow? I think that's his name. Where even your company is described as Elizabeth Holmes' partner and not him, like, you know, just getting wrecked out there.
5:12 Speaker 01 Dude, that's how I feel about Terminal. It's always, it's primed coffee company.
5:17 Speaker 00 That's such a good point, too.
5:18 Speaker 03 Alright, let's get the point of view then. It sounds like Dax has something to say.
5:22 Speaker 00 So this is why Dax is actually bitter about this whole situation and supporting it? Now it all makes sense.
5:30 Speaker 02 He just wants Elizabeth Holmes to have a second chance, TJ. That's all. I'd say it has nothing to do with something else.
5:36 Speaker 01 I'm just saying, it's only, it's only a, I feel like it's a win-win scenario, right? She either has learned from the situation and she does the best company of all time, or she scams again, which would just be so funny. So.
5:49 Speaker 00 Not financial advice.
5:50 Speaker 01 I'm just gonna support this.
5:52 Speaker 02 I'm just here for the content. Either the comeback story of a lifetime or the scam of a lifetime. It'd be so good. What country does she have to move to if she does do this, though? Like, is there like a place you can move to that after you scam for a second time, you don't end up?
6:07 Speaker 00 I'm pretty sure that's called Double Jeopardy. She can't go back to jail for it.
6:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're right. That, that's legally correct.
6:13 Speaker 03 I thought everyone just goes to Russia or something when they do something bad.
6:16 Speaker 01 Is that your plan?
6:18 Speaker 03 I don't, isn't that what like, uh, I don't know, all the cyber terrorists do? I have no idea.
6:22 Speaker 01 I guess Snowden, Snowden's a type of different situation, but I guess he went to, he went to Russia.
6:27 Speaker 02 I love trash. It's like, is that what all the criminals do? Just go to Russia? That's what I'm saying.
6:34 Speaker 01 Are you just talking about some movie that you watched? Like, is this real life?
6:37 Speaker 03 I saw this in The Bourne Identity, dude. I'm not actually sure if I'm referring real life or not, but I'm pretty sure someone has gone to Russia after he's done something bad.
6:45 Speaker 00 Mission Impossible 4 through 7, dude. Like, obviously. Have you not learned anything?
6:51 Speaker 01 Yeah. Is she banned from doing, because I know sometimes you get in trouble like this, you get banned from industries.
6:57 Speaker 02 How do you get banned from industries? Can you explain that to me? Like, how does, how does an industry say, "Hey, you're not allowed to make medical startups"?
7:06 Speaker 03 If you have like a professional licensure.
7:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, it might, it might be something like that, but like.
7:10 Speaker 03 Like getting disbarred.
7:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, when people get in trouble with the SEC, like, who is, I forgot the, I forgot the guy's name. He's super rich. He got in trouble with the SEC. No, not that guy. It's a, it's a different guy. And they banned him from, like, managing other people's money. But he's so rich that he just manages his own money now and he's still, does the same thing.
7:29 Speaker 02 Epstein.
7:31 Speaker 01 I don't think it was Epstein.
7:33 Speaker 02 Okay, okay, just checking.
7:34 Speaker 03 Someone is vacuuming right now.
7:36 Speaker 02 Yeah. Who is vacuuming? This is a stand-up, okay, people?
7:42 Speaker 03 Dax, is that?
7:43 Speaker 00 Leave the, leave it in, dude. Leave it in. Leave it in. I want to hear that, dude.
7:47 Speaker 02 Anyways, okay, we can, we can move on. Dax, what do you think about this?
7:53 Speaker 02 I just want you to look at it.
7:54 Speaker 01 I can't see, it's so blurry.
7:55 Speaker 00 It's the URL thing.
7:57 Speaker 02 It's the URL thing. There's a new thing, a new browser, the modern browser, states that browsers should stop putting in the dates and the full URL. It should display it beautifully. Whereas there's spaces in between the slashes, there's spaces in between the words. It URL decodes, it's fantastic. It can, it can even live through vacuuming sounds in the background. It is like amazing.
8:24 Speaker 03 Close your door.
8:25 Speaker 01 I'm gonna get voted, the door is closed. That's what's crazy.
8:31 Speaker 03 No, the worst part is trash is still gonna get voted off.
8:37 Speaker 03 Guys, please don't. Can we just tie it at the, at the lease?
8:39 Speaker 01 It's gonna loop to a vacuum cleaner.
8:42 Speaker 03 You know, that's fair. That's actually like, you know, kind of makes sense.
8:45 Speaker 02 Trash is normal, expected behavior. It's like, yeah, I lost to the vacuum cleaner again.
8:50 Speaker 03 It makes sense.
8:51 Speaker 02 This isn't the first time.
8:52 Speaker 03 On paper, it makes sense.
8:53 Speaker 00 Okay, Dax, give us your opinion. We'll take out the vacuum and post.
8:58 Speaker 01 My issue with this is I don't think they're, well, one, I don't like them messing with the URL. But also, I don't think what they did looks better. It looks worse.
9:07 Speaker 01 Are you guys laughing in the vacuum?
9:08 Speaker 02 I'm laughing because we can't hear it until you talk and then your cordial, like your, your attack and your release allows the vacuum to come in again.
9:16 Speaker 01 I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell them to, I'll be, I'll be back in a second.
9:18 Speaker 03 Oh, oh, you got your, it's your cleaners. Okay, God.
9:21 Speaker 02 But Dax is Silicon Valley. Dude, that's a real startup there.
9:26 Speaker 03 Oh, that's a founder. That's a founder.
9:29 Speaker 00 Founder mode, engage.
9:30 Speaker 03 You hear Dax turn around, "Keep it down, keep it down."
9:35 Speaker 00 They're listening to the stand-up anyways. So they heard you say you're gonna tell them to stop, so they stopped. It's everywhere. It's everywhere right now.
9:42 Speaker 03 Like, "We're bothering Mr. Dax. We have to be quiet."
9:46 Speaker 00 He made more than makes them call.
9:50 Speaker 00 But it's a, it's Founder Dax. Sorry, Jack.
9:52 Speaker 03 Okay, okay, okay.
9:54 Speaker 02 Alright, so I, I have a real statement on this one.
9:56 Speaker 03 So do I.
9:56 Speaker 02 Which is, the liability of trying to make your own pretty URL printer is just insane. Like, think about how many engineering hours are gonna be sunk into the fact that nobody has like a standard format in which they do URLs? And that you're just gonna like drop and like if someone names an article 2025, it'll probably be dropped because they'll be like, "Ah, that's a date. We don't display dates." And it's just like slash and you're just like, "What the heck's going on?" I, why would you ever want to implement this? This just seems like a disaster from the beginning.
10:29 Speaker 01 Is it AI-powered?
10:33 Speaker 00 Is it 2025? Okay.
10:36 Speaker 02 How do you, how else do you raise money, Dax? What are you talking about?
10:40 Speaker 03 I have an actual statement. I have an actual statement.
10:42 Speaker 00 Let's hear yours. I, I left you on for a while.
10:44 Speaker 03 As soon as I saw this, I was really worried about my parents because I think they're like kinda smart enough to tell when URLs are kinda fishy, like when they're like super long and ugly. But like if someone like prettifies that, I mean, like, I'm not sure like if they can prettify like, you know, I don't know. But like if it looks good, my parents are gonna click it. So I'm kinda like worried about that scenario where it just looks good and like, "Oh, like, like it can't be fake." Because, "Look, it looks pretty." So it's like my initial reaction to that, but I don't know.
11:11 Speaker 01 Do your parents like using experimental browsers?
11:14 Speaker 03 I'm pretty sure my parents will use anything if you give it to them. And that's my concern. My dad will like text me every day, what's my password? Which is kind of ironic and like, why would I know that?
11:27 Speaker 03 But, but it's just like, they're always like, I can't-
11:30 Speaker 00 Does he also only use one?
11:32 Speaker 03 I'm not gonna answer that for, for their sake.
11:34 Speaker 02 Your dad and you, you have the same password and it's one password.
11:38 Speaker 01 So Trash has multiple passwords memorized, but they're different people.
11:41 Speaker 02 I love that Trash is actually embodying one password as well. He is somebody else's password manager.
11:48 Speaker 03 Well, my parents aren't gonna remember it, so I gotta help them, okay?
11:52 Speaker 01 There's a long heritage of this in, in the Trash family.
11:55 Speaker 03 See, it's not my fault, it's my parents' fault, I was raised like this.
11:58 Speaker 02 That is so dang good.
12:00 Speaker 03 See?
12:00 Speaker 02 But, I just, I think Dax makes a really good point, which is that, um, your parents aren't gonna use that experimental browser.
12:09 Speaker 02 That's it.
12:10 Speaker 03 Never say never. I'll tweet about it.
12:13 Speaker 02 I would be more worried about receiving a text message, letting them know their UPS package is late and that they need to pay a fee. That would probably be a much better, like scam.
12:21 Speaker 01 Dude, I almost fell for that.
12:22 Speaker 03 I, I almost fell for that.
12:24 Speaker 02 I did fall for that.
12:26 Speaker 00 I've never fallen for that, so.
12:29 Speaker 02 Like, as part of the stand-up, hey everybody, here's my kid, I gotta, I'll be right back.
12:36 Speaker 00 It's an authentic stand-up experience.
12:37 Speaker 03 I thought that was like a, in-
12:39 Speaker 00 You thought that was just like an animation?
12:41 Speaker 03 I thought it was an animation and I was like, I looked at it and I was like, whoa, that's crazy. And I was like, oh, is that a real person?
12:48 Speaker 01 Is this how this usually goes?
12:49 Speaker 00 Dude, we're about to get in so much trouble, Prime's breaking child labor laws, kids at the sta- at the startup.
12:55 Speaker 03 We got vacuuming, we got kids in the background, I don't know what's happening.
12:59 Speaker 00 That was crazy, the animations for your backgrounds are wild right now, Prime.
13:03 Speaker 03 AI-powered child.
13:05 Speaker 00 Yeah, how did you get, how did you get that kid to show up in your background like that?
13:09 Speaker 02 AI, it's always AI, every single time.
13:12 Speaker 00 Okay, I'm just gonna throw it out there, I hate it, the URL thing, but, like, normies are gonna get tricked by like subdomains? They get tricked by like, the, by URLs being long and like, looking different and like, is it not like highlighting what the actual domain is? Right, so you see like, oh, it's actually Google, it's not google dot mysupersecretsgame.com slash blah blah blah blah blah, other stuff, right? Like- It normies don't know anything about URLs. I hate that we would hide URLs from people. Right? Like, I think it's bad because I think it's gonna like destroy the internet, maybe.
13:51 Speaker 00 But for normies, it actually seems like they they don't know how to read URLs anyways, and they get tricked. And everybody uses social engineering to get them tricked with that. I don't know.
14:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe this ends up being harder to scam people with. I just don't like the way it looks. I think it looks weird.
14:09 Speaker 00 Yeah, well, it's also kind of ugly.
14:10 Speaker 01 Why is there this like the slash and then like the spaces? I don't know. Maybe I'm just used to looking at normal URLs. But I just they're like, it looks so much better. But I don't think it looks better.
14:19 Speaker 03 I mean, it's like a common human reaction to like react to something you're not used to negatively, right? So maybe we all activate.
14:24 Speaker 00 Shut up, trash. What? I've never heard anybody say that, and I hate it. What? Nah, he's a trash or just yanking your chain.
14:32 Speaker 01 He was doing the thing that you were talking about.
14:34 Speaker 00 Yeah.
14:36 Speaker 01 He doesn't get it. He still doesn't get it.
14:38 Speaker 03 I literally don't get it.
14:40 Speaker 00 You said you said people don't like it when they get exposed to something new. And then we all said like, oh, that's a terrible idea. I've never heard anyone say that. See how that's the same thing?
14:49 Speaker 03 Yes, yes.
14:50 Speaker 00 That you're saying. There you go.
14:51 Speaker 03 Okay, got it.
14:52 Speaker 00 It's not as funny now, but now you know.
14:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's not funny. You have to explain. It's not funny.
14:56 Speaker 01 I still don't think he gets it.
14:57 Speaker 03 I get it. I get it. And I'm not gonna explain it. I'm not gonna explain it back. First off, it's 9:00 AM my time. Okay, I haven't had my coffee yet either.
15:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, to break of day, 9:00 AM.
15:11 Speaker 03 Hey, you know what?
15:13 Speaker 00 Day in the life of a Netflix engineer. Wake up at 10:00 AM, check my Slack messages, oops, hopped on a podcast. Wow, it's noon. Better head down to get some lunch from the local Phil's Coffee.
15:27 Speaker 02 And that's true.
15:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, actually, well, yeah.
15:32 Speaker 00 Trash about to crash the economy again with day in the life of an engineer video.
15:36 Speaker 02 If you make that, you realize how many engineers lose their job, trash. Like, you gotta stop this right now.
15:43 Speaker 00 I'm the beacon of hope.
15:48 Speaker 00 I don't know how, but I'll, I'll agree with you.
15:50 Speaker 02 All right, we gotta stop this crap. All right. Hey, Dax, Dax.
15:54 Speaker 01 You keep coming back to me, man. I'm, I don't know.
15:56 Speaker 02 Well, that's because you have all the opinions on this matter. I'm just gonna show you a photo.
16:00 Speaker 01 Oh, okay. Yes. Brian Chesky. I've been complaining about this man for years now, and it's really unfair because I just hate the way he looks.
16:09 Speaker 00 Well, first, who's Brian Chesky?
16:10 Speaker 01 He's a founder of Airbnb. Okay, I'm gonna go a little bit of rant. Okay, a little bit, a little bit. I know it's unfair.
16:17 Speaker 02 Can I, can I preface this?
16:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:19 Speaker 02 No. Just so there's like a reason. Hey, Airbnb is doing a huge change in their platform and they're now doing experiences and other stuff. Okay, Dax, go. How do you feel about Airbnb changing their business model?
16:29 Speaker 01 I hate his face.
16:33 Speaker 01 Anyway, I've always found him, because he's always giving talks and stuff and I always have trouble watching them. But he did one, I think it was the one that made Founder Mode go viral. And if you watch-
16:43 Speaker 00 Oh, then I love him.
16:45 Speaker 02 Is he actually responsible?
16:47 Speaker 01 If you watch his interview, he's always, the whole interview is going like this.
16:53 Speaker 02 That's called cocaine.
16:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm like, I've seen that before. I think I know what that is.
16:57 Speaker 00 While Dax is watching him?
17:00 Speaker 01 I'm doing that also.
17:04 Speaker 01 So I'm like, he's definitely on a crazy amount of cocaine. And then I saw this quote from him yesterday. It's gonna take me a second to find it, but, uh,
17:13 Speaker 01 hang on.
17:14 Speaker 00 I made him delete it because I wanted to get your raw reaction to this, Prime. I was like, do not send this in the chat right now. I want to get Prime's raw reaction to this moment.
17:25 Speaker 02 I'm very excited about this.
17:27 Speaker 00 Let's all just, let's all stare at Dax until he finds this quote. Classic stand up.
17:32 Speaker 01 All right, here we go. He goes, "I was basically going from room to room, just pouring out of this stream of consciousness manifesto, like Jack Kerouac writing on the road. I basically said, we're not just a vacation app, we're going to be a platform, a community." And I'm just like, there's no way this just isn't cocaine. Like, is that just explanation to all of this? Like, the whole Founder Mode thing, like, is that, is that all kind of boiled down to?
17:59 Speaker 02 Drug use? Yeah.
18:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:01 Speaker 02 Dax, you're a founder too. You should know this. You live in Miami and you're a founder too. Like this is standard founder behavior.
18:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's normal.
18:08 Speaker 02 I think what actually ends up really happening is that people complain that they can't focus because they only can, you know, like read or write emails for 10 hours a day, 11 hours a day. These founders, so they use ADHD medication, commonly referred to as amphetamines, to pump themselves up even further. So they just walk around in this heightened state of just super intenseness for like 18 hours a day. I think this is actually just completely par for the course at this point.
18:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. I have like a more reasonable take on the whole thing too.
18:37 Speaker 00 Please, thank you. That would be so helpful. I did not know where to take it after that. Dax, please.
18:42 Speaker 02 Dax's take was he's ugly and he does cocaine. Okay, okay, okay.
18:47 Speaker 00 More reasonable, more reasonable, Dax. Yeah, thank you.
18:49 Speaker 01 More reasonable than that. Um, so I, I think what was interesting about how Airbnb started is they found this untapped supply that was pretty low overhead, right? I know Airbnb is pretty professionalized now, but once you get it set up, if someone comes and stays there for seven days, you're not doing seven days of work. Um, you know, there's obviously you have to hire people to clean and all that, but it's kind of, once you get it set up, it's kind of making you money pretty passively. And that was like a huge amount of supply that just came on, online through Airbnb. I think that's why it was so transformational. Uh, people realized this was a thing that they could do, both on the supply and the demand side.
19:29 Speaker 01 And it seems so ridiculous at first because it felt like, yeah, why would people sleep on your, pay to sleep on your couch? Um, so I can see how going through that made it feel like you just willed this thing to happen. And they, they, they did to a, to a huge degree. Um, but this experiences thing that they keep trying to launch, this isn't the first time they're launching this. I think they'd launched this like two years ago, then they kind of shut it down. They kind of launched it again. It's so different than the rest of Airbnb because like it's not new supply. There's no one looking at this being like, oh, I'm going to suddenly offer experiences now because it's still a lot of work. Like you're still doing the work and you're servicing people, et cetera. It's mostly just kind of existing businesses coming on like just listing their stuff under there.
20:13 Speaker 01 So where Airbnb initial thing was like this crazy growth opportunity, which I think it probably is tapering off now. And they're looking for like the next thing. I don't think this fits in that same format and it feels very forced and they've taken a few swings of this already. I have looked through it a few times and I don't think I'm the customer for it, but I think a lot of people felt that way as well. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know where it's going.
20:37 Speaker 02 Yeah. I mean, I worked at a company called Schedulisty and their whole thing was to manage appointments for hairdressers, hairdressers, like physical hair pits. All that. Yeah. There's like, there's a lot of companies that do this. This is not the first or second or third one, open tables, yet another iteration on this exact same concept. It just happens constantly. And so it's like, I'm not sure if they're really, I don't know how big the market is because I think what they're trying to solve is SEO. Right? You go onto Google, you search hairdressers, whoever's really the top couple are going to win. So they're trying to make some sort of better place where people can peruse things and see things and have nice ratings and all that kind of stuff. And be able to manage all their different appointments. I just am unsure if that market is really solvable.
21:16 Speaker 02 Then you have this whole entire other like orthogonal thing, which is going to be like plumbers or various kinds of maintenance that they're probably going to also be attempting to capture. But there's companies like Property Meld that, you know, that have these huge, that they already have these huge networks. And it's just like, how are you going, how are you going to change behavior of property management companies? That are using property management software and property this and property that to use Airbnb to manage their, you know, all their stuff. Like that's just like a, it is a 10 year effort. There might be robots before they can nail this one.
21:50 Speaker 01 Yeah. It's funny because the company I worked for, they originally wanted to do this and wanted to build a single app that, that you book hair appointments, whatever, any kind of any appointment based thing. And they realized it's impossible to build that network. So they ended up doing a completely different thing, which was building software to help these businesses operate.
22:08 Speaker 00 S T was born?
22:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was mostly for hair salons because that's a thing that I'm an expert in, so.
22:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, that makes you go to the barber more than any of us, dude. Stop pretending like.
22:18 Speaker 01 You know how you know it's it's so messed up that that's true. It's literally true.
22:21 Speaker 00 By far true. I go like once every three months, max.
22:24 Speaker 03 My wife cuts my hair.
22:26 Speaker 00 Great clips.
22:27 Speaker 01 My little shaves my head sometimes, too.
22:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, my wife shaves my head, too.
22:31 Speaker 01 A nice intimate moment.
22:33 Speaker 03 Dude, I do it. I do it myself. I shave my head myself and then I take my glasses off when I do it. I'm like completely blind and I'm just like sitting in my garage. I'm sitting in my garage without a shirt, just like, you know, rubbing a razor against my head. I'm like, I can't see anything. And then and then I go to like get her. I'm like, wife, come here. I need help now. And then she comes in just but and she just busts out laughing because I missed like so many spots. And I'm just like walking around with like a cheetah head. I'm just like, I don't know where the story's going.
22:59 Speaker 00 Do an episode where you're doing that the whole time. I just want you to know.
23:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, I would like to see this.
23:04 Speaker 03 But hold on. So I I'm booking something through Airbnb currently. I want to take my family like Joshua Tree. Apparently like the Milky Way is supposed to be really good to see next weekend and.
23:15 Speaker 00 It's always there. It's like always there.
23:18 Speaker 01 The Milky Way is in town.
23:19 Speaker 03 No, it's it's based on the moon. Like if it's if it's a full moon, you're not going to be able to see it, right? But if there's no illumination, then you can see.
23:26 Speaker 00 Is that astrology, Travis?
23:29 Speaker 03 No, no, it's not. It is not. Okay, okay. Don't get me started on the stars. All right. I'll talk about them.
23:40 Speaker 00 Now I'm interested.
23:42 Speaker 03 I'm not gonna.
23:43 Speaker 00 Okay, you're booking for Joshua Tree. Go ahead.
23:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I'm booking for Joshua Tree and I thought the experience tab was nice. I didn't realize they had it before to Dax's comment earlier, which I was surprised. I saw ratings on all these experiences and I was like, oh, I'm like, like, how do they have all these ratings if they just launched? But anyways, like from a consumer's perspective, it actually like changed how I was looking at places. So I started looking at other places and I was basing on if I wanted to stay there based on the experiences I can do around it for the family. So I don't know if that's like maybe like another thing that could drive like. More, you know, incentivization to like have incentivized people to put on experiences on popular like areas to like, you know, when you book something, you don't just book a place. You always book something and then you do stuff like you don't just sit your place.
24:27 Speaker 03 So I don't know if that's like something to kind of skew to like specifically like popular areas. Kind of get a whole experience, but I did notice it changed how I like use the Airbnb. Because usually I book and then I like, don't think about it, but now I was like, oh, I want to plan a whole day. I want to do this and this and this. And I was like, oh, cool. And it's all like one stop shop. So personally, I do like it. Do I think it's going to actually transform their business? I don't, I don't think so. Um, so yeah, I don't think it's actually gonna, I don't, I don't see Airbnb like. They need to do something else for sure. I just don't know what that is, but, but to like. Primus point, they're definitely like, this is the foundation of their platform and then they're just gonna like start adding different things, right? So.
25:07 Speaker 03 Why are you laughing?
25:10 Speaker 03 Every time I talk, I see everyone. Every time I, I'm literally, I'm literally staring at my screen. I look at, I look at Tej, I look at Tej. And then I look at Prime, I look at Dags, I see everyone slightly smiling and I'm like. And I try, I try not to reach, hold on, hold on. I try not to reach checks. I'm like buy something in chat. Someone, someone's saying something in chat, but then I can't because I gotta like finish my thought or I'm just gonna completely fall apart. All right, explain yourself. No, your thing was perfect. We could talk about that in a second. What is happening? Chat and someone said trash is a flat earther for sure.
25:51 Speaker 03 So out of nowhere. What does that have to do with anything?
25:57 Speaker 01 Talking about your moon theories, that's why.
26:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, moon's fake apparently.
26:01 Speaker 03 Said I want to see the Milky Way on a dark sky.
26:05 Speaker 01 What I got from that is trash is abandoning his family at Joshua Tree.
26:10 Speaker 01 I think that's a plan.
26:11 Speaker 00 So sorry, Trash. No, yours was reasonable. I apologize. That was Twitch chat 100%.
26:15 Speaker 03 I was like half, like, but I was still, you know, when you drive and like you do all these crazy turns, you're like, man, I can't believe I just did those turns because I was thinking about something else completely. And how did I get, that's basically what was happening while I was talking. I was literally just staring at all three of you and I was like, I need to finish my thought, but I need to know what's happening.
26:34 Speaker 02 I've never had a problem driving, Trash. I mean, the roads are designed to be pretty easy to navigate.
26:38 Speaker 03 I don't have a problem, but I don't remember. Like, I'll just drive and I'm like, I just like appear. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Like, I just, I appear at my destination and I just don't remember driving it.
26:48 Speaker 03 And I'm not drunk, I think.
26:52 Speaker 01 Nobody was thinking that.
26:53 Speaker 00 It's a little weird you went right to that, Trash. It's a little weird.
26:58 Speaker 03 I don't know where I'm going.
26:59 Speaker 02 I do have, I do also have a Coinbase founder.
27:02 Speaker 01 Wait, hang on. One, one last thing on this.
27:04 Speaker 02 Oh, sorry.
27:04 Speaker 01 I got one last thing. I got one last thing on Airbnb thing. So Trash was like, I'm looking for experiences for my family. Did you actually look at the experiences? Cause I don't understand them because the ones that are, I'm sure these are like just marketing things, but it's literally like, get a taste of Sabrina Carpenter.
27:19 Speaker 00 That one was so weird. I cannot believe they put that on the front page of all their advertising. I'm like, that is weird, dude.
27:26 Speaker 03 Mine were, mine had, had reasonable listings. It was normal. Mine were normal. So I didn't see anything where.
27:33 Speaker 00 What's normal for you?
27:34 Speaker 02 Did you get a taste of Sabrina?
27:36 Speaker 03 I did not, but I mean, you go to Joshua Tree, it's like yoga and look at the stars or see wildlife. Or if you're in where I live, it's like go whale watching or something. So it was like reasonable stuff. So I didn't see anything like sus and they all had like high ratings. And I'm going to like, I'm looking at generally like popular places. So like usually it's going to have a good amount of choices. I don't know where you saw Sabrina Carpenter. Is that like?
27:59 Speaker 00 On their ad. Their marketing.
28:00 Speaker 01 I didn't pay for it, so I didn't see her.
28:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
28:03 Speaker 02 He didn't taste her. He has no idea.
28:05 Speaker 00 But their ad was like hang out with Colin Kaepernick or something and like, get a taste of Sabrina Carpenter, like a bunch of weird stuff.
28:13 Speaker 03 Yeah. When I looked in LA, there was like some, a lot of celebrity tour stuff or like meet or like have, hang out with one or something. I don't know.
28:19 Speaker 02 It's like Cameo?
28:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, basically like Cameo, but a person. So even worse. I don't know.
28:27 Speaker 00 It does seem like, it seems so weird because that seems like more of a thing you would do, almost like with a hotel package or something. It just kind of strikes me as sort of weird for like Airbnb, this whole thing. Cause you're like, you don't know if you're gonna-
28:42 Speaker 02 I mean, you're replacing hotels. This sounds perfect then.
28:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, but it, but like,
28:48 Speaker 00 because aren't the experiences supposed to be like always available and like all this other? It just strikes me as kind of like a little bit of a weird mismatch in some ways. I mean, I guess like it's good because they're gonna, you're gonna be able to book more things through there. But like what I want from Airbnb is that I can like, type something in of the stuff that I want and it like actually goes and finds those. Like when I say that I want a waterfront one, it doesn't put me on the other side of like the golf and not do it like. I feel like they have so much they could make better on their actual primary product.
29:21 Speaker 02 The golf of what?
29:23 Speaker 00 Dude, imagine just typing your family-
29:25 Speaker 02 Thank you, thank you Dax. Thank you Dax. It was a great joke and I just-
29:29 Speaker 00 You said like what?
29:30 Speaker 02 The golf of what?
29:32 Speaker 00 Oh, America, of course.
29:33 Speaker 03 I was literally gonna like stop him and say that, but I was like, I think I did it.
29:37 Speaker 00 Well, it happens all the time. I feel like whenever I go somewhere, people just like, aren't telling the truth about their listing or like all this other stuff. Can they not just have like literally an AI go and look at the listing and I can type in, hey, I want this many beds and separate rooms and all this stuff? And why is it not like listed and sorted out based on my? Like that actually seems like I would like this experience. I would never use dumb hotel website, Google searches anymore. And I would always book with Airbnb. If I could just like, type in a free text response and they gave me back an awesome sorted rank of listings based on my thing. Like that's what I want. I don't want them to tell me which yoga studio I can go to if I go visit Joshua to re with my family, you know?
30:13 Speaker 03 That's your fault.
30:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:14 Speaker 00 Okay.
30:16 Speaker 02 All right. Well, I got a quote. I want to do this and, and Dax, I think you already know this quote, but I feel like this is just such a magical quote. This is also from the founder of Airbnb in the same article, Dax.
30:25 Speaker 00 It's so blurry.
30:27 Speaker 02 I'll just, I'll just read it to you. He said this. "Steve Jobs to me is like Michelangelo or Da Vinci," he says, "despite never meeting Jobs. I feel like I know him deeply professionally in a way that few people ever did. In a way that only you, let's see, in a way that you only possibly could by starting a tech company as a creative person and going on a rocket ship."
30:55 Speaker 01 I think I was wrong. I think it might not just be cocaine.
31:03 Speaker 00 That's crazy. I I don't have at it. No comment.
31:07 Speaker 02 I just love that quote to be like, yeah, I know Steve Jobs super. I mean, I never met him, but like I know him in ways you can't.
31:13 Speaker 00 Better than anybody.
31:14 Speaker 02 Better than pretty much like besides for maybe like his kids, like I pretty much am like next in line. That's a it's just you're right, Dax. I don't think it's just cocaine.
31:25 Speaker 02 That's a that's a ketamine trip right there, my friend.
31:29 Speaker 00 Imagine not only just like saying that, but then you're saying it somewhere that you can like get quoted and put it into an article. That just feels insane. Like, I mean, it's one thing to just say it like, I don't know, at some meeting. It's like, yeah, I really can connect with Steve Jobs. You're like, I know him better than anyone. I started a tech company and we went on a rocket ship together.
31:48 Speaker 02 You're like, what? Can I get a quote from you? And you're like, I got the quote.
31:51 Speaker 00 I got the quote. I'm ready, dude.
31:53 Speaker 02 You just sit down. I'm about to lay a deep one on you.
31:57 Speaker 00 And then it's also like, would would not Steve Jobs just look, take one look at their new product and be like, ugly. Don't ship. Like, it just doesn't seem, I don't know. It doesn't seem like they're spiritually aligned.
32:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I also love the fact that a guy from Apple designed the icons. And in the article, sorry, I didn't. I didn't take a picture of this one. It was, uh, he was just like, yeah, I'm not going to tell you who designed the icons. He's a secret weapon. I'll just say this much. He worked at Apple. Like, that's literally what he'd like, just genuinely withholding someone's like ability to be known for doing great icon design.
32:33 Speaker 00 No, dude, you know what that means?
32:35 Speaker 02 What?
32:36 Speaker 00 Some some random designer who worked there used like OpenAI O3 to generate all of them. And like, they didn't, they aren't willing to admit that they AI generated everything.
32:49 Speaker 00 Oh, it's a super secret designer from Apple.
32:51 Speaker 01 We can't tell you. We can't tell you about it.
32:53 Speaker 00 Summer intern who knows how to use image gen technology, dude.
32:58 Speaker 01 Well, did you see the the post that Guillermo did? He made his own flavor of it using AI and it came out really nice.
33:05 Speaker 00 It did. It was great and funny. He had he had even worked in a JD Vance meme. It was great.
33:10 Speaker 01 Yeah. And it was just all AI generated, the whole animation and everything. And he like to go to the process.
33:15 Speaker 02 I see. I don't know what we're even talking about at this point. It's inside baseball.
33:19 Speaker 00 He just explained the whole situation.
33:24 Speaker 01 You're on the inside now.
33:26 Speaker 00 Now we all are inside of the situation. He just explained it.
33:30 Speaker 02 I don't even know what we're talking about.
33:31 Speaker 00 What did he generate?
33:32 Speaker 02 Okay, I honestly, I thought I was following that you guys were like, hey, he generated like a Airbnb like thing. And then you're like, and then JD Vance. I'm like, I don't know what we're talking about anymore.
33:43 Speaker 00 I'm telling you, one of the icons was a JD Vance face and it was funny.
33:46 Speaker 02 Now we have a taste of JD Vance. Is that what's is that what you're referring to?
33:49 Speaker 00 No, I don't think they were doing that.
33:50 Speaker 01 What aren't you getting?
33:52 Speaker 02 I literally have no idea what he generated at this point without a picture and words on the screen. I'm pretty much completely confused at this point. So I'm on an extremely tight deadline, unfortunately. So I really did want to get to this. And so I just want to I just want to say this for just a quick second, which is that Coinbase got hacked.
34:12 Speaker 02 I don't know if you guys have seen this, but Coinbase got hacked. Staff got bribed and then Coinbase's response was that they're going to take the $20 million bribe and establish a $20 million reward fund instead of paying the bribe or instead of paying the ransom, just pay somebody $20 million to lead to the arrest. And I just really wanted to say Coinbase. It's just so Coinbase right there.
34:38 Speaker 01 Wait, trash. You can make $20 million. They're in Russia, right? That's what you said?
34:42 Speaker 00 You dude, you already know where they are.
34:43 Speaker 03 Dude, I already told them it was me.
34:47 Speaker 02 That's not how you make $20 million, trash.
34:48 Speaker 03 I'm Spartacus.
34:51 Speaker 00 What were the terms on it? Because it's like, dude, they could turn themselves in and they could get the 20 million either way. They uno reverse the uno reverse. You know what I'm saying?
34:59 Speaker 03 Turning in my kids.
35:01 Speaker 02 They still get the bribe? They still get the ransom?
35:04 Speaker 00 They still get the money.
35:05 Speaker 02 By leading to the arrest.
35:07 Speaker 00 That would be, that'd be next level.
35:09 Speaker 03 There we go.
35:10 Speaker 00 That would be a next level play.
35:11 Speaker 03 I will say though, that is like a really good response. And when I saw it, I was like, ah, I don't really care much about crypto or Coinbase or whatever. But you know, when he said that, I was like, yeah, I'd work for him, maybe. I don't know.
35:25 Speaker 01 I think he should grow a beard.
35:27 Speaker 03 Is he like?
35:27 Speaker 02 Is it because he's completely bald?
35:29 Speaker 03 He's bald, so you want, you want to look like him?
35:31 Speaker 02 He's just smooth, his head is completely smooth, so he needs some sort of differential feature on it?
35:37 Speaker 01 Most of my contributions about what founders look like and how they can improve.
35:41 Speaker 00 Yeah. That's why SST is doing so well.
35:45 Speaker 02 SST is in the black, dog.
35:46 Speaker 01 Have you seen Jay?
35:48 Speaker 00 He, that's true. He's a very handsome lad. But it did kind of appear that his muscles were just for show when we were trying to lift things. And it's like, dude, those are show muscles. Why can't you lift anything, dude? I'm just throwing it out there, like, have a move a couch.
36:03 Speaker 03 Oh, that is the biggest burn.
36:05 Speaker 00 I'm just saying, like, pick up the couch, Jay, and he's like, ee.
36:14 Speaker 02 Maybe he just wanted you to feel strong, TJ. Like, and so it's just like, oh, it's so.
36:18 Speaker 00 I'm not, I'm not competing with him.
36:21 Speaker 00 We're in, we're in very different life stages at the moment.
36:24 Speaker 03 T is just staring at Jay, really? Really?
36:29 Speaker 00 I'm, I mean, he's a, he's a handsome guy, but that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Jay, if you see this later, sorry, dude.
36:34 Speaker 02 We have to be done. Okay, like, I really appreciate this conversation, but there's no more about Jay. All right. Um, hey, thank you, everybody for being here. I am now gonna leave. Bye, everybody. Thanks for joining the stand-up. Sorry that I had to end this so abruptly.
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