Casey Muratori Judges Our Digging Games

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I did not realize that like Pokemon cards are unpurchasable. Like, like, no one explained this to me because, because of course, why, you know, I mean, I don't have any occasion to buy them. So like, I go to the supermarket and I go up to that machine, which I'm assuming like you could just scroll through and pick some Pokemon cards. It's like, everything just says sold out. It's like, they, they should just put a giant thing that says, everything is sold out because they don't, they list individual items and each one says sold out. So no, like, you can scroll as long as you want. There's nothing there, right?

• 0:36Speaker 01

  Okay, see, this is the trick with those machines. This is why it says no loitering. Basically, they, they reset every thirty to one hour. Okay. You stand and film the machine or to the side because there's a camera. And then like when it hits, so people get the timings down and they show up like every, like two minutes after the hour, every hour.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  And they just buy everything.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Drop and then they'll buy it all and then it only, it only drops so many and then it resets and you gotta wait again. And that's where people start fighting because someone will come up.

• 1:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Tap the machine and then ruin the whole thing. See?

• 1:09Speaker 02

  That was my confusion because Casey just said he went up to a machine and didn't say anything about getting in a fistfight. So I'm like, what is like, what did he do? Like?

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Cause I was at the wrong time. I was not in the time slot where anything was gonna drop, so I was fine. I didn't get accosted.

• 1:25Speaker 03

  And also, Brian, look at, did Casey come home with any cards?

• 1:28Speaker 00

  I don't think so.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  So there you go.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  They were probably watching him from the milk aisle or something. They're like, look at this dummy.

• 1:35Speaker 00

  They're probably like, hey, that's Casey. That's the guy who was making fun of Trash about his Pokemon card.

• 1:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  What a hypocrite. Now he's off buying cards.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Check this out, check this out.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm ready, I'm ready.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  So these things just dropped. It's the 30th anniversary Pokemon.

• 1:55Speaker 00

  Oh dang.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Damn, son.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  I got four more coming in the mail.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Okay, so Casey, that's why you can't get one.

• 2:05Speaker 00

  I know, they're all behind Trash. It is, it is in the photo frame. That's what, that's where they all are.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Trash, when are you going to get a, like, how much longer will it take before that entire wall? You have to clear out everything and you just stack Pokemon card boxes from ceiling to floor.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  I'm already like, trying to figure out what I'm doing next, because I'm out of room. I got like a whole box of like cards right here that are just, there's like thirty boxes in there. I don't even know.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  You gotta get those little graded, like the graded display case that says like eight point seven at the top.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  PSA 10s.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Also, shout out, uh, Big C, Big Z, she ordered me donuts this morning.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  No, no buckwheat shots today?

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Let me go get them.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. I went and got some of those Krispy Kremes and they were pretty tasty. The, the Pokemon ones, they were pretty good. Yeah, I mean, they're, they're. I would say they're super, I mean, they are, there is not a single actual real ingredient in these donuts. I mean, they are one, they are a single polymer created by some magic of chemistry, but they're pretty tasty.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  I do have to say Krispy Kreme for the value.

• 3:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  These are your fancy West LA, West LA donuts.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  Made right.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  I love how you just said for the value, TJ. I never want to be buying donuts. Like, you're talking about the difference between like fifty cents versus like a dollar twenty-five a donut. And you're like, it's for the value. We bought Krispy Kremes that are made from space age technology and polymers and, you know, molecules one removed from Lego plastic.

• 3:50Speaker 00

  Hey, welcome to the permanent underclass, pal. Like, we're all gonna be buying Krispy Kreme donuts soon. Ain't gonna be no fancy LA donuts.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  I have is dedicated to tokens besides my Krispy Kreme budget, okay? So it makes a huge difference, okay? I don't want to get left behind here.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. I have my kids Trump account, Krispy Kremes, tokens. Like, that's it. That's all I have for my budget.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Yep. Mr. Michael Dell's putting money in, in those accounts. Straight transferred that into my Krispy Kreme budget, obviously.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  By Trump, by Trump savings account, you mean donut savings account?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  My donut savings account, exactly.

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• 5:06Speaker 02

  So for those that don't know, we do have a couple of things we have to do today and I am pretty dang excited about today, okay?

• 5:14Speaker 00

  You said have to do. That doesn't sound excited. That sounds like you're, you're dreading it.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  I talk about that with my kids.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  Get to do, can't wait to do.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  We get to do homeschool today, exactly.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  But sometimes, have you ever said something along the lines of like, like, I have to do this? Not because you are like, I am forced to, but because like all of your desire and, and, and the construct of free will and society in you are forcing you down this path. Kind of like Dante, watching the people hopelessly walk into hell to their appropriate ring, because they don't even have a choice in it. Their own desires and everything bring them to where they are.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  What does that make the stand up?

• 5:56Speaker 02

  We are being brought forth to the greatest blocker this year, brought to you by none other than Casey Miratori.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Legendary blocker, by the way.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Legendary blocker, Casey Miratori. Today, we actually have a blocker and it is about this right here. So Casey, this is an Opus 5.5.

• 6:16Speaker 00

  Right.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Built Minecraft.

• 6:18Speaker 00

  Okay, I know what this is about. So I will try to set the stage here. Uh, and, and this is really, it's, it's entirely up to you guys. You guys are gonna have to explain it because I don't know. You guys were like, uh, okay, we're gonna do like, you know, we're gonna make games, we're gonna make vibe-coded games. And then you were, you're gonna play them and see what you think, right?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:38Speaker 00

  Yep. But there's been all this traffic on the Discord from Trash where he's like, none of it's working. It's not fun or it's bad or whatever. Like, he's saying all this stuff and I'm like, I thought the point was you just put in the prompt, like, you know, make me, you know, Minecraft, but better. And then it makes it for you, right? So I'm like, what is the problem? This particular, I picked this tweet at random because just the latest one that I saw of someone saying that they just typed in make Minecraft or whatever. And so, so what's going on? Like, why, why, what's the problem? Is this skill, should you guys just not know how to use AI? Like, what's the problem here, guys?

• 7:16Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Good question.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  I do want at least to know that this is, this does look really good. Like, just this presentation, I understand why people get AI psychosis. Like, looking at this presentation, this looks really creamy.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  You have AI psychosis. What do you mean? What do you, why people have it?

• 7:32Speaker 02

  I think I have very realistic AI expectations here, DJ.

• 7:36Speaker 00

  Okay, everyone else has AI psychosis.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  Okay, I understand now.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. Anyways, TJ, how's that language you're coming up with? No, anyway, sorry, keep going.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  I say I have psychosis. I'm, I'm, I'm agreeing with me.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  I will say this, for like these demos, you notice it's only like five to 10 seconds. I would say that if I like, wanted to mimic a game that existed already, and I say Minecraft, I'd also think there's probably a lot of open source stuff it could probably take from too.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  I could probably arrive at this demo fairly easily. I bet you, you know, it's not like there's only one functional part of this demo, which is simply putting some blocks on and it's only like two seconds. I bet you beyond that, it just doesn't fucking work at all. Like, if I had to guess.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  That's my guess. But like, to make like very aesthetic looking things from like a glance, I think that's fairly easy to do. But the functional part is where it kind of falls apart, if that makes sense. I don't know if TJ, if you had that same experience with like.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say the other thing is Trash, you touched on it, but we should just expand a little more. There's already a million open source Minecraft voxel game engine projects that are in the training data that are like, cool, I made Minecraft, but ray tracing. And you're like, oh, okay. So for all we know, the implementation could be download the GitHub repo, open Minecraft, you know, and then.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Put, put this in. So I would say for certain like genres of games, especially like, I don't know, the most popular game of all time.

• 9:12Speaker 03

  Like, there's a decent chance that it's gonna be able to pull, pull off some really nice looking like demo stuff there. Um, as Trash is saying, you sometimes then find very difficult, uh, like, why is it that crafting can't work? Or like, as soon as I enter this biome, it crashes. You know, there's just like stuff that happens like in post after this. But I would, I would guess that happens less on the Minecraft ones, just because of the like vast amount of times where we've already done this. We've built this one. People have like entire YouTube series of, let's build Minecraft from scratch and see or something, you know?

• 9:51Speaker 03

  It's like, it's not, uh, it's not unreasonable to have this. I mean, also, it's kind of like, I don't know. Like Minecraft is awesome. I like the game, but there's also like, it's a, it's a voxel game where a bunch of stuff works easily because it all fits in blocks. It's like actually easier to write than like some other, um, some other versions. The genius of Notch, right? Is he figured out a really smart game?

• 10:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Uh, I also want to throw out there, uh, what Trash said, which is the, the hardest part of everything is that even if you could say, generate any game as beautiful as the game we were just looking at, which is the thing that I find to be the hardest part about game development is, uh, making it fun. Yeah. Like making a good game that you actually want, like, it's really easy to take a game that has been worked on by literally tens of thousands of people for the last 20 years. And be like, look, it's a fun game. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's tr- true. Very true and very obvious. But like coming up with your own idea and then making it fun is so hard. It's like astronomically hard.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Okay. I would say like, you know, it's impressive how many people these days can take great ideas and turn them into bad ones. Like, I mean, Rings of Power. Am I right, chat? Anybody out there?

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Who's watching that show?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  And they have, it's like, Amazon has the reverse power. They take the most popular things and figure out how to make everyone universally hate it. So.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yes. It's the, it's called the inverse Midas touch or the Kramer touch. Yeah. Anyway, so there you go. That's what's going on. It's, it's just really cool because nothing gets you up dudes more than showing something off on Twitter. Especially during model release time. So due to the fact that 5.5, Opus 5.5 just got released, Grok 4.7 just got released. Uh, what is it? Soul 6, all these. So now you have this thing where everyone's rushes to get out example game. And then a bunch of people who've had access to the model early all come out with like even more prepared demos. And it's just visual porn for the next, you know, game demo porn for the next like week and a half.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  And that's our life. It's perpetual.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  That's like the new benchmark, right? Everyone's just like, look, I've put the same prop. This is the same game side by side. Like my whole timeline is literally that. Which is kind of ruined it for me. And I'm like, I don't want to make a game anymore. This is stupid.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Trash actually didn't prepare one for today. He doesn't have anything.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  I think, I think the big thing that really what this is showing is that models are getting really, really good at remembering what they have already like stolen from the internet. Like that's to me, like this is like a really excellent, uh, like qualifier for how good it is at recalling things that already exist.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Which we should say, by the way, is like pretty valuable, like for, for regular programming tasks. Cause it turns out I haven't worked on a lot of novel problems in my programming career. Like I actually don't like, if like they, them getting better at this is actually good for us. It shouldn't be like, oh, that sucks. If they get like perfect recall on every best implementation of an algorithm ever, or every best practice for how to do pagination for complicated cross joins in a database or something, that's actually good. Like it's actually helpful because then they could have pulled back the best answer instead of a garbage tier one.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  I, I literally say that every time I'm at work, we have a problem and I'm like, well, we can't be the first ones that have this problem. Go look on the internet. Like someone solved this before and like, like pre, pre AI, we would just go Stack Overflow or some forums. Now we can just.

• 13:27Speaker 00

  R I P.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. R I P Stack Overflow.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  Is it like, is it gone, gone? Like for real, for real?

• 13:35Speaker 02

  It's down to like, I think it's down to like 10 questions are asked a day.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  I think it's still there.

• 13:41Speaker 00

  It's not like the site is down.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Okay. I thought they took it down because there's just nothing happening there.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  I think they left it.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  They just finally gave up. They're just like, you know what? Pack it up, boys. It's not even worth having it up anymore.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  How much is this yearly domain? Like, it's not worth it.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure they're running off a $5 VPS at this point.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  They scaled down. Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  Is it, is it too soon to make a Stack Underflow joke? Or did we already do that?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever heard one.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  If that's not already a site, we need to buy that domain. Ace. It's definitely already purchased. It has to be. That would be great.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  You would think.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  What, one would think now, wouldn't they? All right. Well, that was the side topic, which by the way, that got me so juiced because I was so curious what Casey actually had to say about it. So we'll move this one into done. Good job, everybody. I think we all did a great job here. Uh, and so now we gotta go to some digging games. Now I do want to be honest here. Uh, I think that, that we're gonna have a lot of disappointment. Except from, except from, from TJ. I'm sure TJ has an excellent, excellent one. But I can tell you this much, I have not put in the work that was needed to even get my Notch very good.

• 14:51Speaker 00

  Okay. But la- last time you showed a game where the rain was like going up and down in a sine wave. And so, so anything like, even if you just showed something where the rain just went down, that would be a big improvement. And you, you would get most, you would win most improved for me certainly at that point.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Well, thank you. Uh, well, Casey, the nice part is you are the judge. So I do think that what you need to judge. Obviously is not necessarily like how complete the games are.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Great point. Great point. Yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  How, how fun could they be? Like if, if we actually sat down and took a lot of effort and, and you, and you went into it and, you know, a power ups, whatever, or added to the game to make it more, you know, convincing. But it's what has the, in the rough, that's mostly rough.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Can I just say, Prime, I feel like this is all, this feels like leading the, leading the jury or leading the witnesses, whatever it's called. Hey, well, what we really want to judge on. I mean, it's the potential of the game, not what's there. I don't think that's fair.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  TJ, you're absolutely right that this is leading the witness, but I would like to say I'm both judge, jury and executioner. And so I don't care. Overruled.

• 16:07Speaker 00

  I feel like, uh, this is, so, so you're saying this is like little, little Jimmy, who is not, he is not excelled in school. He's got his finger in his nose. We're like sitting with the teacher at, at parent teacher conference and, and it's like, but he has potential. That's what you're looking for. Like, like he could go on to bigger things.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  I think Prime thinks of himself more as like a Good Will Hunting style character.

• 16:30Speaker 00

  Oh, so which one is the janitor that's gonna solve equations?

• 16:33Speaker 03

  Right. That's Prime. It's like he's writing the equation on the board and like he could have an illustrious career in mathematics, but like he's been busy this week.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Yes. Unfortunately, I was actually writing the equations on the board, but then I had janitorial service to do. So I actually couldn't follow through, you know? It's like you can only do so much.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  You had to go get a, a girl's number at a, at a restaurant? I can't remember what happens in that. He like, he's always at a bar. It's like, I got a number. He says, it's like, I got a number.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  I do remember him saying that. I got a number.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  How you like them apples? I got a number. Something like that. Yeah. That's Boston. Those are the Boston accents you guys like. That whole movie is Boston accent.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Did he say with a Boston accent?

• 17:18Speaker 02

  But it's a bunch of fackin'. You know, there's a lot of fackin' going on. It was very hard to understand what was, what was going on there.

• 17:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Anyway, okay. So how am I supposed to judge these games? You guys gonna show me some demos here or?

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Well, I think Trash probably needs to whisper us inside of our Discord.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  The, where to go for the URLs, just so we don't get absolutely bombarded.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  By chat. And then we, then I will change the scene and bring it up and we can all bring it up.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  So I have things I need to say before.

• 17:47Speaker 00

  I love that. That's a great start.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  I see TJ, I'm not the only one. TJ, by the way, you're also allowed to have a preamble.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  No, no, but the funny thing is, is I've been working hard for like two weeks. Okay. But this is what I, this is all I have to show.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  I pivoted yesterday. Um, so I'm gonna show you a number of things. I'm gonna show you my original ideas.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Okay. Great. I love this.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay. This is good.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  And then we're gonna show you what I pivoted to last night. And then what has just deployed like five minutes ago. So we'll see if that works. And then I actually have a game that I'm gonna launch today that I think everyone's gonna enjoy, especially you, Prime. Um, based on this game you've been playing for a long, long, long, long.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  But this is not a pivot. This one's not the pivot.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  This is not a pivot. This is, this is my A D D making a bunch of random things at this point. Okay. Makes sense. Okay. So here's the first one.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Let's walk through specifically because that, that will help me, Trash.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  So the first one I'm gonna share was supposed to be multiplayer for all of us.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  I tested it for the first time last night with some friends. And boy, oh, boy, that thing was lag city.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  I will say Casey.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  There's no way you all are gonna, we were gonna be able to play together.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  That's another one where a game.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  That's really funny, though.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Where a game looks good for multiplayer.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  Okay, so let me, I thought Cloud Flare like worked out of the box. I don't know. So something happened with Cloud Flare. I was using Party Kit. And things just went awry. We were trying to play and it was just not good. So, so this is the first thing I sent you. This is, I was trying to make like a, I was trying to be nostalgic. Remember like being in computer lab in school, you had like a flash game website. You can kind of just pick random games just to kind of kill time in class. So I was gonna make something like that. So I sent it in the Discord.

• 19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  So we can't play multiplayer because I tried to do that. It's just too laggy. It does work.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  By the way, it's just, it's just, it's too laggy. Like I even had like a room code and it wouldn't even show it on the, on the page because I didn't want other people to join. It turns out we just can't even play. So that's fine. That's fine. So I have all these random games here. So it started off with like digging and then I was like digging and I was like, well, I don't know. That's kind of boring. So like in the spirit of digging, I had something like a backyard pool where you can.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  Wait, can we pause Trash? You made us build digging games and then you decided it was too boring.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  No, well, no, I have a digging game. It's just not on this platform.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  Dude, okay, that is how Minecraft got started, guys. Okay, so don't, don't knock it. Like you might, Trash might just have act, like accidentally handed you the keys to the next $2 billion buyout from Microsoft.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  True, true, true.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I'm just showing you how my brain has evolved over the past two weeks. Okay, so I started off with like a really simple sandbox. I was like, well, sandbox is kind of boring. So then I was like, okay, what about like water? So you can go in here, you shake it, you can throw.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  How are you, how are you lowering the, how are you lowering the bucket?

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, how are you doing this? You push them up. You just click with the mouse. That's it.

• 20:48Speaker 00

  That, that does not happen on my machine. If I click the mouse, nothing happens.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  You have to sit, start playing in the top left.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  Start playing. There's no, there's no start playing in the top left. Just says connected.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Practice? No, go to practice.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  I can't go to practice. It's, it doesn't let me click on that. It just says.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  I'm in Trash, I'm in. You gotta refresh the page. Refresh the.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  I'm in. It works for me, Trash. It works for me. I love the F, I love the FPS counter for a single bucket of water.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  No, but every time I refresh the page, it goes back, every time I refresh the page, it goes back to friends. It won't let me click on anything else.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  I, I, dude, I'm, I'm watering.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Are you watering right now? Okay.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Why is the bucket not going to the side?

• 21:37Speaker 01

  It is going to the side. What do you mean?

• 21:39Speaker 00

  Okay, I had to click leave room. That's what happened.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Look at this. It just remains.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Oh, you mean, why is it not tipping over? Why is it not tipping over when you move it?

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Like, how do I know that I'm getting water in?

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Cause you see, you literally see it fill up. So like the more you move it side to side, the faster it will actually fill up.

• 21:57Speaker 00

  Why, hey Trash, can you tell me why the, uh, why the size of the bucket is 241.2 milliliters?

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Oh, man, that was the bug in code.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  Full liter? I'm not even doing a full liter at a time.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Well, okay, you get the point. So that's the first one. So like, okay, that's like.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Shake it back and forth. I don't think that actually increases speed.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  It does. I'm telling you. I'm telling you it does. I'm telling you. So see, but you can also use a sponge. Look, you can do a sponge and you like fill up the sponge with water and you squeeze it.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Well, how do you get a sponge?

• 22:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, how do you get the sponge?

• 22:32Speaker 01

  So you can go to, yeah, so if you go to like, you can do, if you, there's like a reset button at the top right. And then it'll let you choose your tools. If you look at my screen.

• 22:41Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, yeah. I got it. I'm setting the sponge.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  You see it? You see it? You see it?

• 22:47Speaker 00

  How do you, how do you see the sponge?

• 22:50Speaker 01

  You just squeeze it. So you just push and hold just like the bucket. All right.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Squeezy, and then you unclick and then you just un, so it's just like a, like little various tools that'll take longer to do things. I was like, okay, well, I don't know if I want to do that anymore. So then I was like, what other games can I make?

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Strategy here.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the strategy is basically how fast can you be effectively. And then so I was like, okay, let's make it a little bit harder.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  You already want StarCraft APM. I know this, what this is going on here.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I was like, let's make it slightly harder. Um, so I was like, I don't know. I'm Asian. I like chopsticks, right? That makes sense. So I had a chopstick game.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  Okay, I like chopsticks. Just throwing that out there.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  I don't know why I said that to me. It just, it just popped in my head. This is really, that was my thought process. Um, so I have this kitchen prep game. I don't think that's true.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Okay, I don't think Russia's known for chopsticks. Anyways.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  I, I, I do love them. So I made this kitchen prep game and I was like, okay, let's, let's see how fast we can like empty out like a, a platter. Originally it was like sushi or something, right?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  I love where all these things just landed.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  So you can throw these things. Like, so it's like basically you're racing to see who can clear it out.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  So you're just like, so this one takes a little bit more skill, right? You have to be more accurate, right? That makes sense. So you get that?

• 24:12Speaker 00

  32 vegetables removed.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  So I was like, eh, I was like, okay, well, maybe we can go like a little bit further. Maybe we can do like an excavator.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Whoa, okay.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  So like an excavator and you can go here, you can dig and you can like pour it out, right? So it's the same, same concept, right? All these are the same concept of you having to clear something. With a time limit. So there's different time limits or you can go all the way to fish in the clear box.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  So excavator is cool. And I was like, okay, well, you know, this is not something you can play like a lot, right? That's pretty good. I was like, well.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Pretty good.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  I'm kind of, I was like, okay, I'm kind of tired of digging. Let's like do something that's more like friend slot. So then I made like a dung beetle game and you can basically race to collect poop and you put it in your, your little thing here and you can go to other people's things and you can steal, you can steal their poop too. So it's just like, this is like really like by my mind, so I go with the friend, friend slap stuff. So you can battle, right? Like I can't steal his poop. He can like boot me or whatever. But the idea is who can collect the most poop or whatever. I was like, okay, so it's just like where I was trying to like pushing the malls a little bit. I was like, let's try this. And this is where the multiplayer came in. So when I tried to play this, it was just super laggy. We just couldn't even.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  I love that the beetles walk backwards. They go butt first. I love the butt first.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  They're dung beetles. That's what they do, right? When they have poop, they go backwards.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Do they?

• 25:27Speaker 01

  Right?

• 25:27Speaker 03

  I don't know. That's a good question, Trash.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  But they're going backwards even when they don't have poop, though.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  If they don't have poop, they walk normal like this. I don't know why the computers are walking backwards. These are all.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Okay, I was gonna say, the, I'm saying the ones I'm watching are going backwards all the time, but okay.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  I think they know something I don't know. I was like, okay. So now we're like, now we're getting, now my mind's getting into multiplayer stuff. So I was like, okay, we can probably get a little bit harder. Um, that takes a little bit more skill because that wasn't too bad. So I was like, okay, let's like do a tow truck game. So here you have to actually use like WASD backup and actually like, oh gosh, I'm not very good.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  That's actually kind of a nice aesthetic, Trash. I'm not gonna lie. This is a nice aesthetic. It reminds me of the Traffic Jam game where you move the cars around to try, like set up the different puzzles. You know what I'm saying? You know the game?

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Oh, man, that car is getting crushed by you. Where is it? Where is the damage meter?

• 26:17Speaker 00

  Picking up the car.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  There we go. You have to bump into it first, like a real tow truck.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  See this? So this is where it starts to get harder, right? Like this is actually.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  To the side with your.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  This is actually super hard to do. And I was like, okay, let's see what else we can do. So this is like, this is just, this is me evolving over time.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Right, right. We're seeing your skills. This is good, though, Trash. This is good.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  I know.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  But why, why?

• 26:43Speaker 01

  It's slowly getting better.

• 26:45Speaker 00

  But why, like, was it that you didn't think that you could do more with this game? Like, it seems like you stopped before seeing if there was a game here, though. In a lot of these.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Well, I, cause like for these, it's like, my kind of goal was how long could I see myself actually playing this game before I just forget about it?

• 27:06Speaker 00

  Right? But how would you know? Like, clearly you could make a game about towing cars. I mean.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  True.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I think so too. But I think ultimately like my, where I went was I was trying to, like I said in the beginning, I was trying to make like a site of a bunch of mini games. Okay. We can kind of just pick something, kill some time and then go do something.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  Okay, so they.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  So that was kind of like the idea. It's like, like, let me get a quick five minute gaming session and effectively.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  So that's like basically where this whole site is. That's, that's why there's so many different modes, right? So we have like this one. If you ever played like Karate Kid, there was like, uh, you could catch chopsticks way back in the day.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  So this is kind of like the modern version. So you can, you can catch little flies and throw them in your bowl. And like, like there's gold flies. The gold flies are like worth more. And it's pretty, honestly, it's kind of hard to do. So this is like where like you would have.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  The camera's kind of not helping there.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Camera's a feature, Casey.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  It's not perfect. It's not perfect. Okay.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  But you see where I'm going with this. I was like, okay, cause I'm trying to figure out games that would be harder. That would make people want to play against each other. So it's like, I did keep like.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, there has to be an element of skill that makes it fun.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Of luck that makes it so that even when someone's not as good, they can still win sometimes.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Exactly. And that's where my surprise game comes in later, which you will see.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Oh, I like them.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  So the rest of these, like honestly, there's not, they're not too difficult. Like I made, again, this is me kind of just testing the LLM to see what they could do. You can basically be a goose and just like, collect stuff and go against your friends to see how fast you can like, like I said.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Woo. Um, basically just see how you see how fast you can click a picnic or a picnic blanket or whatever. So like, again, these don't really have like too much depth. It's just like, eh, I was kind of just curious because Astro just came out. So I was really curious like what it could do. And what I figured out was it was good at modeling, but not so much the code. So it ended up happening.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  I was gonna say that kind of looks like it. It looks like the code's very janky, but the, the modeling is like, you've asked it to produce all these things and it did some, you know, it like, it did a wide variety. They're kind of in the same style, but I assume that was a request of yours, right? Cause you want the site to look.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:09Speaker 00

  You know, so that's, uh, that's desirable, right?

• 29:14Speaker 01

  I think my computer is dying because of this website.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  I, I love that.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  Gary Tan's cable. You're gonna burn out Gary Tan's cable.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  I can't do anything. Oh, I got, am I back? Oh, my God, that website just killed my.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Hey, Trash.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Literally just killed me. I think, I think there's too much, there's too much 3JS going on. What about the computer?

• 29:36Speaker 00

  It's Tan's revenge. It's Tan's revenge, dude.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Casey, as an expert, as a legendary game programmer, when you see this many models take down a website, what do you feel on the inside?

• 29:46Speaker 00

  I mean, I, to be honest though, I, I don't necessarily feel anything on the inside because it's been known for so long how bad the like web handling of this stuff is. It's like you go to a 3D site and all of a sudden all the fans spin up for no reason. Like what is going on? I, I don't know that that's, it might be, I'm sure part of it's the AI's fault, but a large part of it is just the platform being bad, right?

• 30:08Speaker 03

  It's the training data.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  You know, so I don't know.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  It's the training data because unfortunately people made bad sites beforehand.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't blame the AIs for things that I've seen happen plenty of times before, right?

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  This is the one, this is the one where I pivoted last night. Um, because I felt bad that I didn't have a digging game. And then we were talking in Slack or on Discord yesterday that we should have a digging game. So I started panicking.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  For the last two weeks, we're like, dude, trash digging game. Here it comes, trash. And Trash is like, so I pivoted last night to make a digging game. I do need to, I do need to understand. What was the digging game you were speaking of two weeks ago? Was it the platform that you built or something that you're not going to show us?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  So the idea would have been, so you know how like we have like the, the pool game where you're kind of just scooping out water? It was effectively that just with sand and you would just have like a fork or a knife and it would just be absurd. And you're just be like clicking like mindlessly, very fast to see who would win.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  But we don't have that. That game's not.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  I ditched it. I ditched. I completely ditched it. I completely ditched it. And like I evolved it into like these other games. And then I was like slowly realizing that that idea just was like, I just realized the idea just wasn't very good.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  So it wasn't very good. So it wasn't very good for a multiplayer kind of thing. So this, what I'm showing you is literally like the point of view of you in front of some dirt and it's literally a digging simulator. But it's actually kind of hard to do because it's based off of the game Quop. So you actually have to.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  So you have to use, except, except for this.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Quop guy.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Except for this version, this one, this one's live. This is dig dot core op dot com because there's actually, I'll share this in the chat too.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. There is, there's a lot of letters.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  So this one's actually six letters, which then we'll go into my next game.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Quick question, quick question. How come you didn't make it? Uh, how come it's not, uh, Q W T Y O P? Cause then it would have been symmetrical. This E R really makes it very.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  It actually makes it so for my next game, it actually makes it a lot easier to play, which was one of the main reasons.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Which maybe I can always switch it.

• 32:21Speaker 00

  This progression.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Okay. I love, I love where this is going.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Switch it later. Again, I can always tell my L L M to change it, but for right now, this is what it is.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  We're one English sentence away.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. So right now Q and W will lift it up and down. E and R will basically change the angle. Oh, I'm sure.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  I can play it. Oh, okay.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Okay. Can you see me now?

• 32:43Speaker 00

  I, we see it. Yep.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's see it.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  You can see it now, right?

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Why are you going up and down like that?

• 32:50Speaker 01

  It's weird. I was trying to demo the movement. Okay. Q and W are up and down. E and R are the angles, right?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Oh, I love this.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  You have the options to roll. Yeah. And then O is like you're pushing it down to the ground and P is you're pulling it out. So what you would want to do is you do W to lower it. And then you get your little angle in there and then you push, uh, oh God, push down with O. Change your little thingy here, get it up and then you pull it out and then you lift it. And then you move your thing over here and then you change the angle. Boom.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Nice trash.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  So there's like different milestones. We have these milestones here where you can get to a certain depth. And it actually saves everything in local storage. So this is not something you have to do in one activity. So if you're bored one day and you just want to like dig. Cause I just like to dig.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Touch dirt.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  You can dig some dirt, go in there, boom. See what I'm saying? You go over here and then that's literally it. And so you'll, at each level, you'll see different things. I think there's like dinosaur fossils at some point.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  What do you mean you think?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Well, that's all. I haven't successfully dig. Here, I'll go to my local version. That's a little bit deeper. So this version's a little bit deeper. So there's some things in there. You see that?

• 34:06Speaker 03

  Oh, I do see that down there. Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  What is that? Like golden rope that's sticking out?

• 34:10Speaker 00

  I think it's supposed to be a worm. Is this supposed to be a worm?

• 34:12Speaker 02

  It was the same location in both screens. Okay.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  It's a worm. It's a worm. Again, I just, I just made this, it just, just, just deployed just now. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So you can see here it gets deeper, but you can see how, you can get, you can get pretty deep in this game. Okay?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna see how far I can get. My goal is to actually get to the bottom. But it makes it interesting because you can kind of like figure out, get your rhythm with the, with the shovel.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  See that? Hmm. So this is again, this is like, this is more of like those truck drive, like truck driver simulators, plane simulators. Here, this is literally, it's literally just a digging simulator, right?

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Digging simulator mixed with Quop. I can respect that trash.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. Now for the actual game that I want everybody to play.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  You don't have to play now, but you can play later in life. We have this new game.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  Oh, gosh.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I love where this is going.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  And you have to pitch. So Q is your arm. Q, Q W is your arm.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  E R is your torso and you can lose balance. You can lose your balance. So you have to time it really good. Right? And then O P, O P is your legs. All right.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  Oh, Trash, it's great.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  So you have to figure out how to.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  I've been practicing a lot, so I'm not bad at this game right now.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  That was a pretty good throw.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  I've been playing, I've, I've threw at least like 5,000 pitches in this game. Okay? So what you could do is you can try to get, I think the highest score you can get right now.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  What's the web address?

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Core op dot com. Q W E R O P dot com. Everybody go, you can go on the leaderboard. It's a live.

• 35:50Speaker 03

  Domain for this. I love that.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a live leaderboard. So, so if you get a high score, you can actually share your score here and then go put it on Twitter or whatever you want to do.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  That's it. I'm getting jammed to figure all of this out.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  No, don't use your, your L L F's dude. I will be so mad. But this game, so, so I made this game yesterday. And I was playing with friends. We were like, oh man, this is like actually super deep. We're like sitting here playing it forever. Cause it took me probably an hour just to get like a really good, a really good form. So.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I see this. But I need faster reset. I need faster reset.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  True. True. Needs to be like instant back to the next one.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Instantaneous. Okay.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  No click, nothing.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  It's like a second, right? Or two seconds?

• 36:33Speaker 03

  That's way too long.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  I mean, I'll deploy it as we speak.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  No, it should be, you fall over, you should just be able to press space and it goes right back. Space just resets.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  All right. I'm, I'm doing it right now.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Wait, how do I throw the ball?

• 36:45Speaker 01

  You hit space.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  So that, that's my don't. So this is the game I really want everyone to play.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  It's actually Core Rappa space.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Okay. Hold on, dude. I, I do, I, I have this.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  I know. Prime, I want to watch Prime do it for, I want to see.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  I know, but I know Prime would, Prime's gonna like not, he's gonna play until he can't.

• 37:06Speaker 00

  I just lost a week of productivity from him on this one, Trash. Thanks.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, okay. Hold on.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  So 602, I think is the highest score that you can get. And I think we've got in 601. I cleared the leaderboard before, uh.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  What do you mean it's the highest you can possibly get? Like.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  The body rotation seems a little funny.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Don't complain. Just get used to it. Acclimate, acclimate.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Great point. Great point.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Someone, someone scored a 601. The fastest you can throw it is 90 miles per hour and a strike. The more accurate the strike, meaning it's in the middle of the strike zone, the more bonus points you get. And then the faster you throw it, the more points you get. So it's all about speed and accuracy. All right. So that's what makes it super, super hard.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  But once you, once you figure it out, it's good.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Prime's addicted now, dude.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Yes, I do. It is, it is a great game. Okay, okay. It is a great game.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  This is a A plus. This is a A plus game for me.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Core op is, this is incredible. I just want to play it so bad for like an hour to get this like throw down. Nice plum did it. Nice job plum.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  People are cooking.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  Dude, GG EZ gets 90 miles an hour. He's cheating. There's a cheater.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Casey, any thoughts?

• 38:23Speaker 00

  Um, I'm probably the wrong target audience because I like, I hate Quop games. Like, so, so this is like almost impossible for me to judge. I think we should just use Prime. How, how long Prime plays it for as the, as the scorer for Trash's game? Because that, that's like, he's obviously the target audience, right?

• 38:42Speaker 03

  Casey, have you seen Prime do actual Quop?

• 38:45Speaker 00

  No, I didn't know that. I didn't know that he was a Quopper.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, do a quick Quop. Yep.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, a little quick Quop. Okay. So just to be fair, I have not Quopped in like, in any serious capacity for, for a long time, Casey. So it's going to take me a second to remember how to do this. Hold on.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Okay. Yep. Yep. Paul, give me a second.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Plus he just got messed up on Core Op, obviously. So it's like.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, what is going on?

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Trash is messing up his, uh, messing up his muscle memory.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Okay. I think, I think I almost got it back. Just give me a second.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  Casey, one time me and Prime did multiplayer Quop as in we both played one half of the keyboard.

• 39:24Speaker 00

  What is happening right now?

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Oh gosh. Okay, okay. Oh, give me one more. Give me one more.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  That was okay. Yep.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Give me a second. There we go. You kind of got.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  Oh, there we go.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  I'm still not feeling it. I'm still not feeling it. My, my Quop skills have clearly deteriorated. Oh yeah. Look at that. Now that's.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  All right. One more. Oh my gosh. We've got multiple weeks of lost productivity now.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  Cause you're just back on a Quop train. Great Quop is back.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, oh yeah. You get my gaming face, which by the way. Why I can't, why I can't do, uh. Why I can't do gaming and streaming, because I get the most intense face.

• 40:05Speaker 00

  That, isn't that good? Isn't that good for game streaming?

• 40:08Speaker 02

  Oh, look, did you see that sweet move?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  The bunny hop.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Dude, because I quopped uncontrollable about.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Look at that, oh. They don't call me Twinkletoes for nothing, okay buddy?

• 40:23Speaker 00

  Do they call you Twinkletoes at all?

• 40:25Speaker 02

  I've beaten this game.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  Wait, you can beat Quop? I didn't know that.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Do you not see how fast I'm going?

• 40:30Speaker 00

  You are going very fast right now, actually.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  Oh no, oh no, oh no.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  Oh my god!

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Okay, good recovery, good recovery. Good save.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Uh oh, but this is where I get kind of into that really hard zone. Where, uh, you have to now do the hurdle.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  What?

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Ah!

• 40:46Speaker 00

  Nice, great.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Oh no, oh!

• 40:49Speaker 00

  Oh!

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Dude, I had it, I had it, I had it.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  Great one, Prime. Great one.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Alright, I, you know, I could get back into it, but I can't.

• 40:56Speaker 00

  Do you also play, did you play like Sexy Hiking, or its successor, uh, Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy?

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Uh, I did, I did play, I did play, try play Getting Over It for a moment. It is. Getting over it is, is really hard. You have to really get in there. I couldn't quite hit the same.

• 41:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  As Quop. Quop was like, naturally spoke to me immediately.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Prime, great job.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  I know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna really get into this.

• 41:20Speaker 00

  Alright, so what about you, what about, uh, Tej?

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, Prime, do you wanna go or me? I've got, I'm ready, I think.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Honestly, TJ, yours is probably really good. TJ's is always really good, he's actually just so good.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  Okay, so Prime first, Prime first.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  I should probably go first. Okay, okay, let me send you guys the web address, because I, we can't have a bunch of people pile in, so please do not share it.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  So hold on, let me get there. Uh, let me just make sure that that last one has been actually kicked off. Actually TJ, could you go? Because I need a moment longer.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Okay, sure. I've got two. How about I show my first one?

• 41:53Speaker 02

  The only reason why I'm telling you this is because, uh. The, the music would go on right away, and it was a little too distracting, so I had to, I had to take that out.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  What I, what I'd love is for Trash, could, could you share your screen again, screen again, and then play this for me? Because I think that would be the best version of it, since it's your game experience. I think it'll be straightforward to play, so.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  Dude, you, you got Gary Tan cabled. You got Gary Tan cabled.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  You gotta, do, you got, yes, we can, we can, but you need to improve your USB Cs, that's your problem.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  You gotta go to Gary Tan, I don't know where he is right now, but ask him, what kind of cable did he use so that the AIs kept working?

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Well, the good news is that Gary Tan has Gary Tan AI, so you can actually go to Gary Tan at any point and go and talk to him.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  There you go. Go to Gary Tan AI, ask, how do I make, what cable do I need to make the AI keep working on my machine? Okay.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Okay. I love that Trash made a video game, and the response is, I actually have to restart my computer from playing.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  I need to refresh Riverside too.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  It's Riverside, Casey. Hey, it's just me and you. How, how you doing? Nice tea, by the way, what you drinking?

• 42:57Speaker 00

  It's not tea, it's just water, actually, I'm sorry, I, it's, it's a fancy glass, but.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay. Because I only get to see you through a very small window?

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  And so it looked kind of like it had a little bit of coloring to it.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. I do drink tea in the same glass, I just don't, I'm not right now. I, I like a good cinnamon herbal spice, if you will.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Okay, that's nice. A cinnamon herbal spice is a go-to Sunday morning drink for me.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  I love cinnamon, I love cinnamon tea.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  Very dainty, very dignified.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, dignified, I wouldn't call it dainty.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  It's a bit dainty.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  My favorite cinnamon tea? Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

• 43:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Because that's CTC right there.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Right. Cinnamon tea. The tea stands for toast.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Toast Crunch, exactly.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Toast Crunch, yes. Trash is currently restarting his computer. How, what kind of website have you built that requires a computer restart?

• 43:48Speaker 03

  That is insane, that Trash's current situation is, I don't know, guys. My game went so bad it turned my computer off from the browser. He discovered a zero day in Chrome, like what happened?

• 44:02Speaker 02

  I am actually super, I, dude, he's getting 502s, apparently, he said 602, but I assume he's doing 502. I wonder if he is cloudflare tunneling to his own computer and then told everybody that he was.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Oh my goodness, you're probably right, he's not hosting it.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  Oh dude, dude! Wait, can you play the game while he's rebooting? Can you play the game while he's rebooting? Because if not. That is what happened.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  That is actually such a funny, it's possible.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  I wish, I wish it was true. I don't think it's true, but I wish it was true.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  It's still up, it's still up.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  So it's probably not that. Like, I'm looking at, I'm looking at it here, and it's running.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  Gotcha, gotcha, I'm back.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Alright, cool.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Alright, Trash. 11:08 PM.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Whatever that says.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  That's what it says.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  That is what it says, yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  One last migration. Basura, ooh, Trash in Espanol, I like it. Gotcha, track anything, remember everything, never lose an argument again. Time to ship it. Press space to ship it.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Gotcha, V1 is live. It's beautiful. Now let's find out who really leaves the dishes in the sink.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  See what digging means in this situation?

• 45:13Speaker 01

  The next morning. Walk with arrow keys, face evidence, and press space to log it with Gotcha. Press enter to check your Gotcha log, it's space.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  Oh, what did you do, Tej? Oh no!

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Oh my, the dish pile.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  Oh no!

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Dishes in sink, day 41, the fork has achieved sentence. Or sentience. What? Oh my god. Exhibit A, the one that started it all. Oh my.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  I gotta show this to my wife, she's gonna love this game.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Every cabinet door is open, the kitchen looks like it's screaming.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  That's actually pretty good, that's pretty good.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  I'll close them after the photo, maybe.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Four boxes, it was on sale, logged, the Tower of Consumerism, tagged and filed. Oh my goodness. Set to 4, 74 degrees Fahrenheit. I set it to 68, a six-degree betrayal.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  The numbers don't lie. I do, but the numbers don't, oh my goodness.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  So Tej, I'm curious, like.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 46:26Speaker 00

  Because you had to prompt an AI to do this, did you have to prompt the AI with an explanation of what Trash had done with his receipts app?

• 46:35Speaker 03

  I'll be honest with you, Casey, I did not have to, Trash, go check some of the other doors too, before you go.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  I know, so I was about to go, oh.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Wait, what's this thing following me?

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  He's now on the hole.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  You're digging yourself into a hole.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Okay, that's cute.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  This is literally.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  I'm not joking though, Casey, I think. Our podcast about the receipts app is in the training data, because it picked some of the exact ones without me having to do anything.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  No way.

• 47:03Speaker 00

  Really?

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  Are we rad important? Really common, like, leaving dishes in the sink is just like.

• 47:10Speaker 03

  No, no, because I specifically told it to go do a little bit of research on some of the stuff from our podcast and everything, so, like, uh. By the way, this was not very many prompts, either. This, I started this this morning.

• 47:23Speaker 00

  That, so, so you literally did, so the AIs now know about Trash's app?

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, Trash, why don't you talk to her?

• 47:32Speaker 01

  If Spousa wants to talk, go, gotcha. What will Basura do? Accuse, gotcha, or I'm gonna dig. Basura dig, I'm just saying. It's supposed to use deep.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Has confidence now?

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Dish pile. Presented the dish pile. Exhibit A, 14 dishes, timestamped, geo-tagged, it's super effective on Basura's hole.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Those are your dishes from your ramen. Basura is knee-deep now, the hole got deeper. It's supposed to use the look. It's super effective on Basura. What will Basura do? I'm running, dude. She's standing in the doorway, there's no running from this conversation. It's supposed to use, I'm fine. It's a trap, Basura fell for it. Oh, gotcha, let's do, push, whoa, export PDF.

• 48:28Speaker 00

  What is push notif?

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Push notification from the app.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  He's, it's all the different things he can do from the app.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  I exported a 12-page PDF, it has a table of contents, it's supposed to use counter evidence. Oh my goodness. She pulled up three years of texts, sorted by date. Basura is waist-deep, the hole got a lot deeper. Dude, this is insane.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  I'm kind of confused why, it keeps saying the hole got deeper, but it, it doesn't seem to have gotten much deeper.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  It's getting wider.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  No, I mean, in the hole depth meter.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  But perspective, oh, the hole depth meter, yeah, yeah.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Oh, I wasn't even paying attention to that.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  The meter, meter has no sensibility.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  Connected, maybe?

• 49:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it says.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  There, there's. There you go, see, I'm getting lower.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  It's supposed to went to the bedroom. Oh my goodness.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Trash, you're.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Look how big my hole is.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  You're in big trouble now.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Oh no.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  The thing I like about this game is it's, it's accuracy. It's, it's.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  This is, this is extremely accurate.

• 49:27Speaker 00

  This is like, it has like a good real-life accuracy to it.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  That literally looks like my wife, too.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  It's supposed to wants to talk. Go, gotcha. Oh my god. So does this keep doing this until I get to the bottom?

• 49:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I think, uh, so then, right, so yes, after you do this fight, um, usually. It'll say, maybe I, instead of making an app, I should make a game about digging. We don't have to play the rest.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Let's just see it, let's just see it, I'm not mad. Oh, the bar is getting, the, the hole depth, the bar?

• 49:58Speaker 00

  It did go up, it did go up.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  It goes up a little. Oh, I'm sorry, you feel that way, bad move, Trash.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's bad.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Here we go. Calm down.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Oh no, that's like the most triggering statement ever.

• 50:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  He's dug too deep. I hate you, well, that's. That's a little heavy-handed. It's supposed to hates Basura. Basura won!

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Oh my god. This is amazing.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Gotcha, wow, maybe I'll try making games.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gotta show this to my wife. This is way too good. This is way too good. Oh my, I have no words. I have no words for that. That was poetry.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  That reminds me kind of of like the Pony Island sort of genre of games, if you guys know.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  I don't watch My Little Pony.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  Do you guys, you guys don't know Pony Island? You don't know The Hex? Do you know The Hex?

• 51:11Speaker 01

  I know Pen Island.

• 51:13Speaker 00

  Alright, damn, classic. Alright, well, fine.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  You, Pen Island, you know Pen Island.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  I know Pen Island.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, we know Trash.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  We're familiar. Alright, Prime, are you ready?

• 51:27Speaker 02

  I believe, I believe I am ready, but I just want to triple make sure, okay? I just wanted to make sure everything-

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Oh Casey, just for, just for, while Prime, you're getting that set up, I'll just mention a few things about the game. So I started that this morning. That was all Opus 5.5. I wanted to test it out, since that's what the original tweet was. I probably spent- I spent less than two hours probably on the game.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  How many hours did you spend thinking about it?

• 51:55Speaker 03

  Um, I had the idea very early on, after Trash said-

• 51:59Speaker 00

  It's a pretty good idea.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  A digging game.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, of making one about him digging himself in a huge hole.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  Um, my wife thought it was hilarious. I showed her this morning as I was making it, and she was like, "That's really good. I can't wait for that to go." So I knew I was on to something. That's called market research.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Is anybody in the game? By the way, is anyone in the game?

• 52:18Speaker 01

  What game? Oh, did you share it?

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I shared it in the stand-up. I just want to make sure, because yes, uh, okay, nice. I see somebody, I see someone joining up. Nice, nice, nice, nice.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  I'm coming, hold on.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Okay, awesome, awesome. Okay, so everyone, enter in your name. Okay, hold on, we gotta share the screen. Does anyone want to share their screen?

• 52:35Speaker 01

  I'll share.

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, why don't you share?

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Trash, Trash is designated share.

• 52:38Speaker 00

  Okay, Prime, I have a question.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Yeah?

• 52:41Speaker 00

  For you. Cause I really, I need to know the answer to this question. Every time, so all of the games that Trash showed at the beginning, maybe not so much the, the actual hole digging game, uh, or the baseball game, but like all the previous, the, all the ones previous to that, and then the one that TJ showed, the art was all reasonable, but every time you've shown a game, it looks-

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Great point.

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Sup, like, I don't even know what I'm looking at. I can't even parse what is my character-

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 00

  What are, what are you prompting differently that makes it so that it's unintelligible? When, when, what is going on?

• 53:21Speaker 02

  You'd be shocked that this piece of artwork that you're looking at cost over $500.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  What?

• 53:25Speaker 03

  No!

• 53:26Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 53:27Speaker 03

  No, Prime, how, dude, how?

• 53:29Speaker 00

  What's going on?

• 53:31Speaker 02

  I don't, I, you know what, I gotta figure that out another time, okay?

• 53:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  I'm not an artist, alright, but-

• 53:35Speaker 00

  But you're not, but you're, I, but the AI is- You're, you're not making the art. The AI is making it, and it, why is it making pixel art that looks okay for, for TJ and not for you?

• 53:45Speaker 02

  My guess is that TJ is using real photos? I didn't use any real photos, right? I assume you didn't, TJ did not describe what Trash looked like in English to get that good of a-

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but look at TJ's avatar in Casey's, what is that?

• 53:57Speaker 00

  I don't know what I'm looking, it just looks like, like a big mess of-

• 54:01Speaker 03

  I mean, stuff, I don't know what's happening.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  That's a shadow. You only see your avatar, and then you see the shadows of the other players.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I'm ready.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Well, then, what am I?

• 54:09Speaker 02

  I haven't, I haven't entered in mine. Well, you, just look at yours. I don't know what yours looked like, okay? Mine looks terrifying. Just in case you're wondering, mine looks very scary, okay? I'm gonna share it.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  I'm ready, whatever it is, Prime, I'm ready.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  Looks like visual noise, like it loaded an image wrong. It looks like, like the loader was broken or something. It doesn't look right.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Oh, so yours looks like, okay, yours is terrible.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  I, I will try to explain what's going on here, which is that- We have a digging game, alright? Cause I thought we were making digging games. TJ once again hit the, uh, hit the pun. And so how it works is that-

• 54:40Speaker 03

  I have a real digging game too.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Yes, as you can see on the side, there is, uh, left, down, up, right.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Uh-huh.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  There will be a song that plays and arrows that come up.

• 54:49Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Depending on how accurately you hit the arrows is how fast you dig.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Oh, I love the audio. Should we share audio?

• 54:57Speaker 02

  It, you don't have to. It's not that great of a song, just in case you're wondering, Fable did create it. Depending on how fast you, or how well you hit the, the, uh, arrows, is how fast you dig downwards. If you fall off the screen-

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Dig, dig revolution.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you fall off the screen, then you die, or you're supposed to die, and it's supposed to be the fastest person going down. I was gonna put in like other types of dirt that is harder, you could go left and right.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  But all of those I couldn't do.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Why is it dirt?

• 55:25Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  And so instead we did this one, so I'm gonna hit enter.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Alright, so now you pretty much just have to start. Oh my gosh.

• 55:32Speaker 00

  Is it WASD or arrow keys?

• 55:34Speaker 02

  It looks like it's, uh, WASD. Alright, so I should have killed you guys.

• 55:38Speaker 00

  If mine doesn't register any pushes, no matter how accurate I am.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, my, mine's definitely going real fast. So I'm just pressing down arrow, and apparently that just works.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's not supposed to happen. You guys are supposed to die.

• 55:53Speaker 00

  This is, this is not working at all.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  It's not working at all, and so I didn't try it out.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  It's also not on the beat.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yep, it's not on the beat, dude. I know, it's not on the beat at all.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  Also, you can just keep pitting down. You don't have to do anything.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Hey Casey, but look, the networking does work, which you have to at least be impressed with that.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  I actually don't.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  You're not?

• 56:13Speaker 00

  No.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  This is better than Call of Duty.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Well, that might be true, but- Why is it that you move left and right when you hit the things? It doesn't even make sense as a game concept.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Like, if I just hit left and right, I dig right and left. What?

• 56:29Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 56:30Speaker 03

  Like, why would it not be that I'm digging straight? It's a dance game.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  I know, it's supposed to, so obviously it got a little bit confused. It, it put the arrows there, and it just kept the arrows, but it didn't actually do anything with the arrows.

• 56:43Speaker 00

  No, I'm saying, I'm saying it's doing stuff with the arrows, it's that I, when I dig to the right, I go to the right. That doesn't make sense for a digging game where it was supposed to go down.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  That was part of the original idea, was that, uh-

• 56:52Speaker 01

  I don't know, playing right now.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  If there would be different types of dirt.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  No, I dug all the way to the bottom, basically, and just gave up. I'm way down there.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  I'm trying to actually play.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  He's an accuracy neither.

• 57:02Speaker 00

  It doesn't work.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  So, so, so, so the, the original idea was that you press the arrows that are coming, and then each one of those would give you a strength of how hard you get to hit. And then you could choose your direction, because there could be like rock, and rock would take like 10 hits, so you'd want to go around the rock. Obviously, a pretty difficult game, lots of arrow keys going on at that point, and so I decided just to go straight down. It didn't listen to my straight down instructions. Instead, this is what we got. Like I said, didn't have time, this is where we got to.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  I did-

• 57:32Speaker 03

  You were saying last week, you were all tilted at me, that I had to fly back to San Francisco, because you were so ready for a digging game.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, I exaggerated.

• 57:40Speaker 00

  Real, real bad. Real bad.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  I exaggerated. Very, very much so.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Fine.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm still laughing, and I'm hitting all the, all the dang arrows.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  I'll show my, I'll show my other game.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Oh, you made, TJ, you made two games?

• 57:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, he made an actual digging game, apparently.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  I don't know how you're gonna top that one, though. TJ, good luck. I mean, I, you know, you-

• 58:07Speaker 03

  Trash, I'll share again, and you can show it. We'll see how it works. This one is way rougher, because it's a much more ambitious project, but it does actually do some stuff.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  And you'll love the concept of it.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  What in the world?

• 58:18Speaker 02

  Alright, where is this? Can you, can someone share a screen?

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, Trash is gonna share a screen, screen again. He's the designated- I don't think so. It has music again, but I don't think I added an audio slider, because I didn't think about, you have to share in Riverside and stuff.

• 58:32Speaker 00

  Uh, I can't read, any of this is too small.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  It says, "New game, load game, import options, gravel empire."

• 58:42Speaker 02

  New game.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  So, it's, it's Roller Coaster Tycoon, but for digging.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  So, um, so Trash, you can hit new game. All of the stuff's kind of, it's too small for probably the size of screen here. I didn't implement probably the right kind of zooming. Looks good on my screen, screen, etc. But so Trash, you can start hiring people, so you go to hire, you get workers to come in, right? So then, then you start digging, and it's a big gravel pit, and you're trying to basically build an empire to do as much gravel things as you can. Here, you're digging. I made an actual digging game, like it's about digging as well, right? You know what I mean? So then Trash, you've got your workers, right?

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  And then in the, in the top right up there, there's a little, um, the dig, like the dig icon, yeah, that guy right there. You can start planning out the spots that you want dug, how deep you want it to be, etc. Then these guys will come over there, and then they'll start digging them, or maybe not if I didn't, uh, if I pushed a broken version. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm just like, yeah, there you go, that's, that's a very deep, it's a very deep one. I think you need to build a road out to them, Trash. It's, it's Roller Coaster Tycoon. They can't walk without getting to-

• 59:54Speaker 02

  You can't walk on grass.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  Dig site, right.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  How much money do you have? How come you can just build all this so easily?

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  Uh, it's in your, it's in your bottom left.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Okay, now what? I made a road to it. Can't they get to it?

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  You did not make a road to that at all.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  Trash, it's 3D, that's down, dude. You're, you're-

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  You have to go to the, like, the little dry things on the top. Come on, Trash.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  I've never played Roller Coaster Tycoon, okay?

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you know how 3D works? Make the road, like, make the road go to the tile that it's on. Do more road.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  But can I, can I just, uh, move this over?

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Sure, yeah, yeah, tell them to dig somewhere else then, or make more footpaths.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  Trash, the top, the, the, okay, this is good user feedback.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  I'm tilted, I'm tilted, I'm so tilted right now.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  I don't know if they can dig, I think I made it though, so they can't dig, uh, that deep right away, Trash. You gotta start like with them with a small, a small dig.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had that build to it, right?

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Unless I messed it up.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  They probably can't even do four meters. Why would you dig on the road, Trash?

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  I just, I just wanna see her make it to it.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  One meter, do one meter.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, probably, maybe you should share a screen.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  This makes no sense. Okay, now what?

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Hmm, I thought they would dig. When I was testing, they dig now, so.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Can I not remove these?

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  Uh, they're hired? No, those are the people that you're hired.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  No, I'm talking about the, all these 3D models.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  Trash, try put them in a crew.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  I'll check, I'll check myself here. I'll check myself as well.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  All right. Pick up, pick them up and put them down somewhere else.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  All right, I, I, I am, I'm, I'm building something.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  There we go, there we go. I got it.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  They're doing it, right?

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  I had to pick them up.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Oh, nice. See, they got the same roller coaster tycoon situation here. They're not digging though. Is it the wrong time of the day? They're only supposed to work during certain times of the day, too. You also.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Okay, this is way too common. This is day crew, seven to 3:30.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, so you could also, Trash, okay, so Trash, it won't necessarily work right now, but see the little house icon next to the, next to the road? There's like, you can start building buildings and machines and, oh, you have to give them, did any of them have shovels yet, Trash? I don't think we gave any of them shovels yet.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  What is happening? Okay, uh, how do I give them a shovel? How do I give them a shovel?

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  I, TJ, this is fantastic. I love, I love the art style.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  Thanks. I, I need, I needed one more day to, to do this, since I started this at, uh, 10 a.m. my time, which is three hours before stand-up started.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Well, you can fire people.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  I don't know how to make them start though.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  I don't know how to give them a shovel.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll set this up for next week, guys. I'll set this up for next week. I needed, I needed just a little more time.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  I needed a little more time. All right, anyways. On potential, though, I feel like I get one potential grading, too. This is.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  This is pretty good. I mean, I like how it looks in general.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  Casey, you're up. Talk to us. Talk to us. What do you think about this?

• 1:03:00Speaker 00

  This, I'm not gonna lie to you guys, this was, this is pretty rough.

• 1:03:05Speaker 00

  Uh, I guess what I'd say is, um, the only, the only game that feels like it could potentially be a game, meaning like as it is, as it is as presented, not potential, so a fact of that for temporary. Uh, Trash's pitching game, but only because the genre of that game is that it's incredibly janky. Like, the whole genre of Quop games is that they don't really work. And so I'm not even really sure that's fair, because, you know, that's, Quop is kind of what you would get if you didn't finish the game code.

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  Right? That's what Quop is, sort of, but intentionally, it's like, here's, we didn't actually, you know, make it into a standard polished game. We just hooked up, you know, these things directly to springs on the legs and good luck, right?

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  Um, so I guess what I would say is, I don't know, like, I don't feel like there's a way to really rank anything in this case. Um, obviously Tej had the best, uh, if we, if we gave out an award for narrative.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:04:15Speaker 00

  Uh, I think.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  It was a good narrative, it was a good narrative.

• 1:04:17Speaker 00

  That clearly goes to Tej, uh, for his, um, trash parody.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Thank you, uh, thank you.

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  I just, but other than that, I'm not sure. I would say, uh, if we went with potential.

• 1:04:32Speaker 00

  I'm afraid, and it much to all of your. Sorry, what?

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  I actually, I forgot. I have loaded scenarios that are halfway through the game. Can Trash reload and show where my game is in a scenario instead? Cause Tracy, Casey, I got something cool going on in the middle of the game. That will explain what it actually is. I want, that's actually part of the game.

• 1:04:52Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  I need one more shot. Trash, reload, and then go to scenarios.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Which game?

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  Travel Empire, of course, cause I think, um, I'm gonna pull ahead a little bit, maybe after this.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  Can you remove audio real quick?

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, thank you. I'll add, I'll add audio slider later.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  You do know that you're going against like my game, right? Like, what are you pulling ahead of?

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  I wanna see what I, my vision for the game of what I set out to do. Okay, Trash, there's scenarios. Which, okay, we need to change the font size of this game, too, and then just click the bottom one, bottom play button.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  The bottom one, okay.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go. Okay, this is more where you're supposed to get to, okay, just as, uh, you get cranes, they fill up dump trucks, you're automating more, it's building a factory inside of the gravel pit as you're digging down. I just, just at least show where the game's supposed to get to, uh, before we get the rating, you know?

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Those two trucks just drove through each other. Oh my gosh, that truck just pulled right into him.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  Uh, they can do that in Roller Coaster Tycoon.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Actually, they don't do that. I'll add, sorry, anyways, continue, Casey.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  What I was gonna say is, uh, on the, on the potential front, uh, I, I know everyone is gonna be like, what? But like, honestly, if, if Prime had actually made a game where, like, so two things. If you took the game that you had there and it worked, and it worked at all, which it didn't, right? But let's imagine that you actually did have to hit the, the DDR steps, right? Um, and, and you did a couple obvious things that you would wanna do, like, for example, put the, don't put the steps on the left. Put them under your character, like, this is kinda just like game 101.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I know. Like I said, it was a rough, okay, it was my idea, it was my idea that was really good.

• 1:06:40Speaker 00

  If you did, if you did some of those things, that actually seemed like the most promising game to me. Like, if you're like, which one of these would you play? Like, I would play that game. I probably wouldn't play any of these other, I don't like Quop games, so again, I said, I'm kinda the wrong judge for that. Maybe that baseball game's really good, uh, we'll let Prime be the judge of that, because he, you know, he clearly, clearly is the, uh, perfect judge of a Quop game. So he will give, he will give it his thumbs up or thumbs down after 17 hours of play, starting now.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  After I have missed several videos next week, I will be glad.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  So he will, he will judge that one. I, I unfortunately can't. Maybe it's excellent, so I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's not, I just, I couldn't tell you. Uh, I didn't like Quop, so, you know, I'm the wrong person. Uh, the, the digging tycoon game, unfortunately, just like, I don't know, like, I mean, Sim games are Sim games. Maybe if you, like, I don't see where the, like, interesting part of it is that makes it so like, I'm gonna wanna play that. It kinda, it's like, it's a, it's one of those orgy games where there's like 18,000 windows. Sometimes those come together, uh, you know, it's unlikely that it would, uh, you know, maybe the AI is really good at figuring out how to put those together. Maybe it's not, I don't know. So I, I wouldn't give that high odds, but I would have to actually like see the finished thing and see if it actually feels good to like,

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  organize and does that actually, you know, cause that's all that, that's what differentiates those games. Um, so, yeah, I, I, uh, I unfortunately, I apologize to everyone, but I'm gonna have to give it to Prime. Okay, which, which I would also say looked the worst, like, it looks absolutely horrible. I don't know what is going on there.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  I don't know how to make it make good things, okay?

• 1:08:21Speaker 00

  I'm sorry.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  He poisoned the well. Uh, but I will say that.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  With the potential talk at the beginning.

• 1:08:26Speaker 00

  He did, he did. He swerved it all around.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  I, I would just like to throw out there.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  You led the jury, you led the jury!

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  I did, I did, but, but it wasn't, but it's still Casey. He still gets to make his own decisions, okay? Unless you're saying that Casey can't make his own decisions, Trash, which I know you're not. Uh, okay, first off, I just wanna throw out there that I made up that game idea while watching Sophie Tucker live at Red Rocks. That was pretty good. Gotta see it for my birthday. Gotta see it for my birthday, a lot of fun. Uh, and then, uh, number two, it could have been a good game, you know? If I would have actually had some time to set aside, I think I could have made it pretty good, cause I did, the only thing I tried on was the networking. And that actually was pretty good, like, I watched you, Casey, next to me, and it is all like time tracked, it does like time differentials. And so we actually are all listening to the same song at the same moments. All the arrows are in sync, so everyone should have been digging in sync, but, uh, screwed it up.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  In my defense also, I would point out that I think that judging things on their potential, like, these are all, these are all vibe-coded games. And the whole point of, of the AI hype cycle is to talk about potential, right? Like, no, no one's talking about what we have, we're talking about what we might have, and so I think it is perfectly in line with the spirit of, of, of vibe coding, to just say like, well, maybe someday this will be.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  But think about this, Casey, if we would have taken my digging game.

• 1:09:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  If I would have like just got some off-the-shelf assets, did a very little work, or even tried to do, be better at creating assets. I could have created a demo where like zoom in on the guy.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  He already picked you, bro. You don't have to sell it to him.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  TJ, just listen for a second. We could have zoomed in on the guy, the beats, the digging, things look super good. Go over to TJ's gravel one, it could have looked so good as a demo, like, the demo would have been out of control. Like, if TJ made a demo video, it would have been so hard not to say like, this game is amazing. And so this is, this is really what demo videos look like when you play them, okay? This is just what's happening right now.

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Well, why don't you guys do that? Why, why, post to your, after this, post your trophy like, I spent $5 on tokens that I made something 10 times better than Roller Coaster Tycoon, and just show little like snippets of the thing.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  I would never besmirch Roller Coaster Tycoon like that.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  I would never do that.

• 1:10:43Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  But I would say inspired by.

• 1:10:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Thanks for the win. I knew I'd win. I knew I had a great idea. All right, I, I knew my idea was actually good. TJ is so tilted right now, because he's like, my roller coaster tycoon idea was great!

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  No, I don't think my, I think it needed a few more days to cook. If I didn't have to, if I wasn't in San Francisco last week, I think I would have, I could have had a clean sweep here for best narrative and best, uh, possibility as well, best potential. I'll take, I'll take one.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  So for next competition, we're just going for best ideas.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  But, but, hold on, but Trash won, like, best overall game, right? He won actual like game that fits its genre and was most completed.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  Oh, for Quop?

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, for Quop, Querop.

• 1:11:27Speaker 00

  Well, I think, I think I had to defer to you, Prime, so you will, you will award that, because you have to play it and determine if it's a good Quop game.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I can tell you right away, it's a good Quop game.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Then there we go. That's all we really need to know.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  I want to play it very, very bad.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  So everybody's a winner.

• 1:11:43Speaker 00

  Cause let's be honest, like, I'm not gonna play any of these games. But if, but if Prime is going to play the Quirroth game, then that is an actual, like, you got an actual player, which is the-

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  I know, I actually, I actually really wanna go play Quirroth right now.

• 1:12:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a good sign.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  Dude, someone, two people got 603. I don't know if they're using computer use or whatever. That's insane. I don't understand.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  I love computer use by Quirroth.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Very possible. That's an insane score.

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  This is so funny. What's your highest, Trash? What's your highest?

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  597.

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Dang, that's good.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  And I've, I've never been anywhere close since. It was like a fluke.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, one of those magic ones? Oh, it feels good when you have a magic one. It feels like, that's what makes Quop games so good, is when you hit something that actually even looks natural, and you're like, "That, that was, that's a good game right there. I'm amazing at this game."

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  So for the Quirroth game, like, right now, it's like your best single pitch, but I might do like a mode where you have to actually throw like a strikeout, and then whatever your three strikes are, roll into like your highest score. So you have to actually do it consistently, which is the harder part.

• 1:12:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, that would be hard.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Cause you also do the other side, where you have to like lift up your leg, move the bat, bat up, and swing through.

• 1:12:56Speaker 00

  I know, I was thinking about Quop baseball.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  You know? You could have all three. You could even have catching. You have to move your guy and try to catch it.

• 1:13:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, Trash, Trash Baseball.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  You can do so many things with this whole genre.

• 1:13:07Speaker 00

  Trash Baseball.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  I was gonna do swimming, you're like, "Ah!" It's beautiful.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  Trash, if you did it where you did, uh, like each of the three spots, what you could do is you could record people doing their pitches, like send that up and save them. So you don't have to actually wait for someone to do the pitch. You just like have a bank of pitches that people do, and they could get pitched to your batter, right? So they're all real Quop pitches. And then similarly, you'd have people bat and then catch. You could do all three.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  I see. I see, you could go pick the best pitch out there.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Yep, you just gotta make sure all the data and everything does not get exposed onto the window object, so people quits computer using and then just use Canvas. So they can't like, they have to take images, right? Like take away all availability for them to cheat.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  I will do my best. I will do my best.

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I'm gonna go work on my Sim game, and I'm gonna make it so good Casey does wanna play it next week.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  TJ is so mad right now.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  TJ is so mad.

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  I'm actually not though.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  I thought I was gonna come second.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  My, uh, my Pokemon-inspired Trash game did exactly what I wanted it to do. So that was my main, that was the main one I wanted. So that was a swish.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  I mean, I think you could make that one into a real game, but it's like, there wasn't really much gameplay there.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  Oh, it's not a real game. It's just a joke.

• 1:14:26Speaker 00

  But you could have, you could just make it JRPG, where you have to try and, yeah.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, they actually already did that. You catch these little monster guys, and then they like end up selling cards related to them too. So it's like-

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's not like any of us have a crippling addiction to buying these monster cards either.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  Trash, is there any kind of inverse relationship you end up having due to the Pokemon? Where like your kids are like complaining that you spend too much of your time buying Pokemons or playing with Pokemons?

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  No, they, they rip all the cards, basically.

• 1:15:00Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, they're, they're supportive of your habit. Yeah.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  My son has like an absurd collection right now.

• 1:15:06Speaker 00

  Okay, so you guys are, you guys are-

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  They're all having a good time, and it works out, cause when we go-

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  And he draws cool Pokemon cards too.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  So we use them as birthday presents too.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  Gotcha.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  Bye-bye. Good game, everybody. Good, good game.

• 1:15:18Speaker 00

  Good games.

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  Absolutely loved it. Okay, thank you for watching the stand-up. Uh, thank you, the legendary game programmer Casey Muratori, for telling us exactly how quality our games were.