Larry Kosilla's Extreme Detailing

What's it take to clean a disgusting car that hasn't been touched in decades? Larry Kosilla knows. He is one of the most skilled and well-known car detailers in the world. His new show, "Extreme Detailing", on Discovery+ highlights how grimy cars get a glow-up. He also tells us about: his experience owning a Porsche GT3; his love of his Ford Model T; TV production; and growing up as Matt Farah's best friend. https://go.discovery.com/show/extreme-detailing-discovery-atve-us https://www.youtube.com/@AMMO-NYC https://linktr.ee/ammonyc Recorded August 9, 2025 DeleteMe Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. FitBod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://www. Fitbod.me/TIRE. Upside Download the FREE Upside App and use promo code TIRE to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas. That’s an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas, using promo code, TIRE.

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. As always, TST is brought to you by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here at the Smoking Tire. They keep your butts out of trouble, right? It is your right to defend yourself if you're accused of a crime such as going a little too fast or anything else in your car. You should not just automatically plead guilty. You wouldn't do that with anything else, would you? No. Call the professionals. Get Off the Record. Go to offtherecord.com/tst and Off the Record will connect you with a qualified legal helper, meaning a lawyer, in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket. They'll fight it for you, they'll go to court,

• 0:41Matt Farah?

  they'll meet with the prosecutor, etc., etc. And my code offtherecord.com/tst will get you 10% off all legal services through Off the Record. I get emails all the time from folks who have gotten their behinds saved with Off the Record and I wholeheartedly recommend them to everybody out there. Alright guys, on this episode of the show, one of my best friends in the world, Larry Casilla of Ammo is out in LA joining me in studio. He got himself a little television show called Extreme Detailing on Discovery+ Get it and streaming all over the place. We talk about that.

• 1:24Matt Farah?

  Plus, he has spent way too much money on a Volkswagen GTI restoration. He's having some second thoughts about his 911 GT3, but not so about his Ford Model T. And we talk TV production and all of that stuff, as well as a little blast from our past on this episode of the Smoking Tire Podcast with Larry of Ammo and now of Extreme Detailing on Discovery. Let's do it! Lawrence P. Kosilla the third. Tree. The third. Mm-hmm. Not the fu- not the second, don't look it up. We needed two- we- we needed two others for this, yes. Uh, welcome to-

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  Yes, good to be here. The program. La- uh, Larry's here from New York, um, because he got a television pilot that aired on Discovery Channel. That's right, Tuesday. To talk about that shit. Uh, you can also, um, watch it on YouTube. Uh, YouTube Discovery Channels like- Discovery Plus and HBO X. Uh, yeah. Um, but, um, yeah, do one of those. If you have a streaming platform, do it there first, but if you don't have any other way, then, uh, then you can get it on YouTube. That's correct. Um, but, uh, we'll get to that in a minute. I have a lot of questions from our patrons. Uh, first, again, I must apologize, we're not doing this one live because Zach is up north, um, on a vacation.

• 2:51Matt Farah?

  He's, uh, backpacking across the Sierras or some shit. Uh, he got- he got cell service for like, uh, not cell ser- I think he connected to the Apple Satellite for like 20 minutes the other day. Cause I got like, dong dong dong dong, like three texts from him, uh, checking in. Not- no one's dead. His like uncle, like, who's like 70 something, fell over and like, it was a miracle he wasn't hurt. He's with his wife and dog and his dad and his uncle and his like dad's friends. That's cool. They do this trip like every year. Um, not to get too personal into Zach's life, but he does- he has talked about it on the show. But so anyway, he's not here. I can't fucking do this and do this and also do live, so I don't. So, once again-

• 3:36Matt Farah?

  There's a lot going on here. Uh, once again, my apologies for- for the patrons who pay for a live show that I can't deliver just this one time, but- They'll let it slide, I'm sure. They usually do. They're a forgiving bunch, those patrons, cause they're invested, right? It's like, it's like if you bought Trump's steaks.

• 3:56Matt Farah?

  And here we go. Yeah, it's like if you buy Trump's steaks, you'll be like, you know, okay, he was on the plane, right? He went to the island, but he didn't do anything.

• 4:06Matt Farah?

  You're invested. Um, hi, let's do, uh, let's do, uh, let's do a one-two shot. So it looks like we're talking to each other.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  Alright. What are you doing over there? That thing looks awesome.

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  On my tablet?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that tablet.

• 4:18Matt Farah?

  I'm controlling the cameras. I'm selecting like a, like a, like a news director would. Camera two.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Is that what Zach would be doing right now?

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 4:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's why, like, to do that job, you, you definitely, you have to, like, multitask, but you probably shouldn't be, like, communicating the lead in the show and also have to do that. Uh, it's a suboptimal experience, but I think we get her done.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  I think we'll make it happen.

• 4:42Matt Farah?

  We get her done. There's slightly less B-roll. Uh, don't forget, of course, uh, to follow, uh, oh, Larry, uh, Zach has inverse scrolling to me. It's very difficult sometimes.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Jordan has the same thing.

• 4:54Matt Farah?

  Sharing a computer, very, very difficult. Uh, but, uh, follow M O N Y C on Instagram, and of course, M O N Y C on YouTube for all of Larry's videos. He has more fucking subscribers than us.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Uh, it's not a sore spot at all, is it?

• 5:11Matt Farah?

  And, uh, so, uh, we just, uh, we just went for a little morning drive. I can't be like, what's up? Cause we've been hanging out for 24 hours.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  I got here, I got here late, late last night, so.

• 5:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We went to dinner.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:22Matt Farah?

  And we had, we had ramen.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Very nice.

• 5:24Matt Farah?

  Which was very nice. And, uh, we got, I took you to Salt and Straw. Some ice cream. Next level.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  That was good.

• 5:30Matt Farah?

  And, uh, and then we went to Malibu this morning for breakfast in the Myers Manks, which was hella fun.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Unbelievable. I, I equate it to, uh, a tighter 964 of all the cars that I have. Like I said, the 964 to me is the most tight, like, and I literally mean it, like, it's almost every screw has been tightened an extra little bit. And it feels good. This particular car, your car, was just very, very tight, but at the same time compliant, because we were on some rough roads going, you know, whatever.

• 5:55Matt Farah?

  Off-road suspension.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I...

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  It's pretty cool.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Very much approved.

• 5:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was great. There's not a lot of better cars for going 35 miles an hour to Malibu.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  I would say, I would agree with that. I think you can do a lot of, you know, better cars in different, you know, up in the mountains or whatever, but to go on PCH at 35 miles an hour, literally with cops every 10 feet. I think that's the best one.

• 6:16Matt Farah?

  It's the best car ever. I mean, how crazy is it to do that driving a 500 horsepower car?

• 6:20Speaker 01

  It's a waste.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  It makes absolutely no sense, but in this car, they're, oh yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  It's great. I feel like I could literally touch the ground.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  Well, I almost.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  I learned the hard way.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  I have that on camera right now. You gotta watch the studio video. I'm filming him right now and he's like, "Look at this," and then "Look at that," and he puts his hand out the window and his, what are those things called?

• 6:37Matt Farah?

  Ballards.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Ballards?

• 6:39Matt Farah?

  Like a plastic, yeah, like a plastic ballard.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Dude, I was so like, oh my gosh, I'm waiting to have you have your, bring your hand back in and like have your.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  Have no finger.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I thought I, I thought I lost part of my hand. I'm like, "Look at this thing that's like burned down from the fire." Fuck, this orange plastic, you know, thing.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Your face is great though. You're like, "Ah," and then you're like, you know, you do that thing, you're like, "Yeah, I'm okay, okay, I have everything."

• 7:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for a second I was like, "Do I have a thumb? I'm unsure." It stings. It's fine now, we're okay. That was, that was very short term.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  And then someone pulling out on us, I didn't have that filmed and we almost got T-boned, which is great.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was all rack and pinion steering, baby.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Superior driving that you had.

• 7:16Matt Farah?

  Passed the moose test.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yes. Wow, it's true. That's true.

• 7:19Matt Farah?

  It was like a moose test maneuver.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  And what's crazy was there was somebody in front of her telling her to pull out.

• 7:23Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Like, like trying to be like safe. He's like, "Yeah, come on out." We're like, "Dude, what's..." Crazy. Yeah, fun times though.

• 7:30Matt Farah?

  We have seat belts, sort of. I don't know, in that car, I'm not sure the seat belts would do too much.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  You have lap belts. I mean, it's kinda just holding you in as you flip over kinda thing, but.

• 7:40Matt Farah?

  Just ensuring you die in the car rather than out of the car.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  With a warm butt, with the heated seats.

• 7:45Matt Farah?

  Hey, those work. We tested them.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  They worked too good on the high.

• 7:48Matt Farah?

  Those were good, yeah. Alright, uh, and, uh, dude, Larry's got his fucking Notice

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 7:55Matt Farah?

  His Canyon-based, uh, Sentinel.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Sentinel.

• 7:59Matt Farah?

  That sounds, that sounds like it's ready to like murder people.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  Which is funny, cause it's a thing that's, no, a Sentinel protects, doesn't it?

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  It doesn't murder.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  So this is the first watch that we know of, that is, usually if a watch features protections, it's designed to protect the things inside the watch.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:18Matt Farah?

  Like shock resistance and whatever. This is designed to protect whatever you might knock the watch into, such as a car, were you working on it.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Yes, the idea is, I don't really wear watches when I'm detailing for painfully obvious reasons. How can I get a watch that allows me to do both?

• 8:36Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  And so, what's cool is even the, the glass is scratch resistant as well.

• 8:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, is it he's a light?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, cool.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  So that, and then there's rubber around here, and then I can never remember, what, what is it when you have it reversed?

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's a, uh, well, it's a lefty crown.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  It's a lefty crown, dude.

• 8:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Destro.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Something like, yeah.

• 8:53Matt Farah?

  Destro, it's like fucking Italian for lefty.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what he was saying, and I was like, I can't remember that, but...

• 8:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a lefty crown, so the crown faces away from the, the car.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Correct, if you're going like this, you're not gonna scratch it, so...

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  Of course, if I wear it, it goes the other way.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't like, I'm lefty and I wear my watch in my right hand, but I actually don't like lefty watches.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 9:12Matt Farah?

  For that reason, yeah, yeah. So it's not, no.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  This thing's cool.

• 9:15Matt Farah?

  It's rad.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:16Matt Farah?

  You can buy, I guess you can buy it at Notice's website?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 9:18Matt Farah?

  I should probably pull that up, shouldn't I? Hang on, give me a second. Um, I, we, I asked you how much it was, and you told me you didn't know.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  No, I told you 9.99.

• 9:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, you did?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, look at that, it's right on the fucking homepage, baby.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  On the homepage, look at us! We didn't even plan that.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  There you are. Sentinel for M-O-N-Y-C.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Available now.

• 9:34Matt Farah?

  Let's see.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  9.99.

• 9:35Matt Farah?

  100 pieces, uh, and, uh, the crown on the left keeps it out of harms way. Oh, boy. Pop-ups, baby.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  I know a couple of people bought them already.

• 9:45Matt Farah?

  The custom molded TPU bezel is soft to the touch, impact resistant, and won't mar a surface if contact is made. An acrylic crystal is used for lightweight and shadow resistant properties. And, uh, yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  That looks so good up there.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  Wrashes on the crystal can easily be polished out, allowing the watch to maintain its pristine appearance even after rigorous use. So, people has, um, people have asked me about a more affordable version of the Canyon. This is it. Like, this is-

• 10:14Speaker 01

  What's the Canyon?

• 10:14Matt Farah?

  My watch.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  No, no, what, the cost?

• 10:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, the, the, the, the regular colors were $12.99, and the mother of pearl is gonna be $17.50.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Got it. So, this is the, the less expensive version?

• 10:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so this is, this is on the same architecture, same movement, a very similar case. The case isn't exactly the same, but it's, it's very similar. Um, and the, the overall aesthetic is similar, um, but cheaper.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  The inspiration was the 964. So, if you look at it, you know, it's black and it's got the gold wheels, you know what I mean? So, that's where, that's where that came from.

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  It is a lovely watch, and I really like the rubber strap, too. I'm gonna have to ask, um, Wes and Cullen to send me a couple of, uh, of the rubber straps for my watches. I wanna fuck with that.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  I don't, I can't wear the ones that you wear. Oh, that, that's not a rubber one.

• 11:00Matt Farah?

  What, the bracelets?

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, the bracelets. They just slide around too much. I feel like they grab my hair. I like the rubber.

• 11:05Matt Farah?

  Alright, there you go. Well, they're the quick release. They're interchangeable, so there you go. So, you can get that at, uh, Notice's website. I need, you hit all the waters behind my computer, bro. Um, okay, let's talk about this television show, cuz that's really why you're here. Extreme Detailing. Let's go back. I gotta pull it up. I'll pull up the shit right here. Tell me about it. We'll, we'll start on the static. Oh, it's a reel. Okay, it's a reel. Muted reel. Uh, so tell me about the show.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Alright, so, I would say, I think, I think I told you maybe two and a half years ago, I got a phone call from some folks, uh, producing a show for the History Channel. And it was about, you know, very old cars, dirty and cleaning them. And they said, "Do you know anybody that does this?" And I was like, "Uh, okay," and they described basically, like, a word for a word, what my YouTube channel was. And so it was like this very disconnected thing and I was like, I can't tell if you're trying to like. Are you trolling me? Yeah, exactly. I wasn't sure if it was a gag or something. And then, you know, what I learned is, you know, they have, you know, interns or whatever calling people, calling this person, that kind of thing. And I was like, yeah, this is literally what I've been doing for, you know, at that time, 15, 16 years. And so, long and short of it is, we were gonna do a show.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  We went all down the road in contracts, but basically they didn't feel that they wanted me to continue doing YouTube. It would be exclusive on that. And I said, no, I think I'm cool. I wanna, you know, keep doing YouTube. I would really enjoy, because I enjoy doing it. And so we parted ways and I took that concept and I said, okay, let's just go to Discovery. And Discovery was awesome. And they were like, yes, of course, keep doing your social media, keep doing Instagram, keep doing your details. But can you help us find and produce? So instead of, you know, just being like an actor, one of many actors on History Channel, I was now the executive producer on a show that I could be able to design. And in this case, that particular car, we were probably like a week or two before we were filming the actual episode.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  And I really wanted to have something that was amazing, but you can't just squeeze out a car. You can't like, okay, I'm just gonna go grab a Mura in somebody's living room. And so I had a buddy call me legitimately while we were filming. So this is real. And I said, I, it was almost like, you know, God sent kind of thing. I'm like, I can't believe this. This is gonna be the opener to the show. Called the studio and I said, I have a Mura sitting in the guy's living room, da-da-da-da-da. They're like, nah, that's just not for us. I'm like, I'm telling you right now, this is gonna be the biggest thing ever. And sure enough, instead of having like a 30-person crew or whatever it was, I had one camera guy. And then during this shoot, which was really interesting, we went in there, one camera guy. My guy was actually buying the car and ended up buying it for 1.2.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  And I was doing a real job of verifying the VIN and all that kind of stuff. And so when we were walking in, we had to, in the episode, which already aired, so I can, you know, spill the beans, we moved the cars that were already in his garage out so that we could then prepare to knock down the wall, which you see in the clip here. When we were doing that, we had to move everything out of the guy's house. Now, at this point, it's about seventeen degrees outside. And it's like two, three weeks, uh, one or two weeks before I went to Australia. And that, uh, that comes back in the story. So, it's, it's twenty degrees here, we move everything out, we put it on his lawn. All the neighbors come out, thinking that this man, this gentleman, passed away. And then, like, we were going in there, like, pilfering all, like, taking all his stuff. And so his neighbors coming by, and they're kind of like aggressive, and like, "What's up?"

• 14:28Speaker 01

  And they're like, "No, no, no, he's still alive, we're just filming a show," whatever. And we didn't have anybody there to, like, block the road, or like, give us a little bit of space. And so what happens is, in this particular, uh, area in, uh, Long Island, like, straight out of, um, uh, Sopranos.

• 14:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Dudes roll up in, in the, uh, the jumpsuits.

• 14:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Like, for real. And this is not a joke.

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• 18:43Speaker 01

  This is not a joke. And I'm like, "Oh, hey, what's up?" And they're friends of him. And like, "What are you doing?" I'm like, "We're shooting a show, blah, blah, blah." We explained it 25 times to them. And so, they weren't really thrilled because they didn't think, they didn't want him to sell the car. But it was like, he called us, you know? And he was like, "No, no, no, I'm trying to sell the car, you know, I need to move on with my life," or whatever. So, the guy who's now annoyed about this, because I think he wanted to buy the car, or some sort of weird thing, he stood by while we were filming. So, I'm, there's a shot where I'm talking to the guy Barrett, and we're looking, we open this up, and we open up the clam shell, and the engine's there. And I'm going, and I'm saying, "Oh, look, it's numbers matching, etc., etc." The dude walks into the shop. It happens. And I was like, "Okay." And the cameraman's like, "All right, cut. Let's do it again." And we're like, "Hey, sir, can you, you know, move out?" We're, you know, "It's tight, little room,

• 19:27Speaker 01

  it's tighter, it's like this tight." And he's like, "No." And then, like, everything goes like, because he was like, "No, I'm not moving." And we're like, "What do you say to somebody at that point?" We explain the situation. He goes, "No, no, I can stand wherever I want." And we're like, "Whoa, like, we're not trying to be aggressive, like, he called us here." And so, we ended up convincing him, "Hey, can you, can you move out of the shop?" And he goes, "Okay, okay." And I'm not using all the words that he used, but you can understand, right? So, he's like screaming at us. So, then he goes behind, pretend I'm the cameraman, and you're me. And so, the cameraman's here, and then he goes behind the cameraman, takes his phone out, but he has an iPhone that has the sound on. And so, when he's taking

• 20:08Speaker 01

  pictures, "Kukklink, kukklink." And I'm like, now I'm pouring sweat, because I'm worried that I'm gonna get like, beat up in this whole place. And so, fast forward, we get through this whole, this whole situation. Now, we're knocking down the wall, we're pulling the car out. And on the wall are all these, you know, like, in an older person's house, they have like, shovels from 1920, and like, brooms, and like, all this kind of stuff, right?

• 20:29Matt Farah?

  Like, in the garage?

• 20:30Speaker 01

  In the garage. So, we moved all these cars out, and we're cleaning it up. And as... We took like a broom off and we're sweeping up after I'm knocking down the wall so that when the car drove over it didn't like get a nail in it or whatever. Sure. So we're cleaning this up and my guy Jordan is doing that. As he's cleaning this up, I'm banging, right? He's scooping and shoveling it out. These guys in the jumpsuits walk out and as Jordan is like shoveling things out, he bumps one of the things on the wall. It falls down on Benno's house because we have headphones on and we're banging and stuff. It falls down and these guys catch it on their foot and he trips. He thought that my guy- That Jordan- Jordan purposely bumped it and come-

• 21:13Speaker 01

  He grabs Jordan by the neck and puts him up on the wall. So the camera, we had to stop filming because we're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, this is not like reality television. I was like worried that we were gonna get like- Yeah. Whatever. And the cameraman's putting the camera down and he's like, he's negotiating and I don't know, I don't know whether to tell him to film or stop choking Jordan at this point because I'm like, is this like a thing? So that particular shoot was absolutely insane and so we ended up getting it out. Everything was fine. And then at that point, another neighbor came by and started with a gimbal, started filming like with us. And the Discovery Channel guy was like, you can't film, I can't make any of this up. It was like an absolutely crazy story. So we ended up getting that and it became the opener of the episode.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  It only cost you like one guy getting strangled and- Yes, yes. And by the way, when I knocked that wall down, I didn't have a PPE with me because I didn't really expect to be knocking down a wall. Yeah. Like I thought we just had to like move a wall or like, you know, like a- Sure. Like, I don't know what the hell I was expecting, right? So I got violently ill like the day afterwards because when you knocked it down, I was pulling out newspapers which were used as insulation from 1940. Oh, great. So then like a couple of days later, a week later, I got on a plane to Australia to go do the Australia ammo launch. I was like devastated on the plane the whole time. Yeah. So that's the real story behind the first episode. Sweet. Yeah, so that aired on Tuesday, August 5th, but now like I said, it's on HBO Max and everything.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  So we're hoping that we get the views that we are expected to get so that we can continue on with the season. And so from what I learned, I don't know what you're, you've done way more television than I have, but I said, how are we judged? Because I don't know the expectations and I don't know what hurdle to jump. I don't know how high I'm jumping, where I'm jumping. Sure. You know what I mean? It's like a logical conclusion, right? So they said that it basically comes down to the show before, which was Mud Madness.

• 23:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Where it's a bunch of guys in Tennessee like racing each other through the mud. I don't know.

• 23:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  And so they like the juxtaposition of mud.

• 23:10Matt Farah?

  And clean, sure.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Okay, and so they said.

• 23:13Matt Farah?

  Dirty and then you gotta clean.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Of course, of course. And so they said if, if, I'm using an arbitrary number, 70% of people in this whatever are watching the show.

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  Do you retain that same percentage from one show to the next? Does it grow? Does it decrease by how much?

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  That's exactly what we were told about Drive on NBC Sports.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  When, from the show before it?

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  And what was the show before it?

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  NASCAR races.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Oh, come on. It's like, it's like how to lose.

• 23:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. We had a really fair shot at it. A really fair shot.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  So how much percentage did you lose? I mean, you were gonna lose, but like how much?

• 23:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was a ton. It was like, our goal was to lose less. Like, that was the goal. I don't remember the exact percentage, but like, but that was.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Like, they were like 100%, right? Let's just call it 100% watching NASCAR.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  If they lost 100% and we got it to 60 for, you know, 27 minutes, it was like a huge victory.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Right. I don't know what the metrics are.

• 24:04Matt Farah?

  It was an absolute, I was like, wait, I'm sorry. What they want to know, how many people can we, we can retain? After the checkered flag of a NASCAR race, like, are you fucking shitting me?

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Those guys are drunk, they're gone, they've been watching it for four hours.

• 24:19Matt Farah?

  Leaving the TV on by accident? What are we doing over here?

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, but that was, that was exactly how they did the math.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Right. And so now they've taken that plus, like, modern stuff where now HBO Plus and Discovery Plus and the YouTube, they're taking all of that and combining it with the Nielsen report.

• 24:35Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  And the loss gain thing we just talked about, to then come up with an overall. So tomorrow, today's Sunday, so tomorrow, Monday, I'm supposed, that's why I'm here, is to figure out like how we did like a preliminary view. And then in four weeks, I get another test of figuring out like.

• 24:49Matt Farah?

  The long term.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Long term, does this make sense, blah, blah, blah. And so, you know.

• 24:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, go watch that shit.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, figure it out.

• 24:57Matt Farah?

  Go watch it. There's some, there's, that's one, there's like, what, three storylines, I think, in the first episode?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Eight or nine storylines. Of course, they get to pick and choose which one they want.

• 25:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  The one, the first one, the one that they didn't want, ironically, was the Mura. And they took it as the first one, right? And then, uh, the DeLorean.

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  The DeLorean, yeah, and then the Discovery.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Then the Discovery, too.

• 25:15Matt Farah?

  The awful Discovery.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that thing was disgusting. It was a new Canaan.

• 25:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  So, yeah, those are the three in the episode. It, it's great.

• 25:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  We love it. We're, uh, hoping it, it goes well. Um, but yeah, it, it, at the very minimum, I, I know, and you and I have talked about, you know, spoken about this after, you know, not on, on, on podcasts or whatever, but it's just cool to check the box like, yes, we went from YouTube to television. You hope and pray goes somewhere, but, you know.

• 25:40Matt Farah?

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• 26:19Matt Farah?

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• 27:01Matt Farah?

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• 27:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:42Matt Farah?

  Like, that's, that's actually really what you, it's, it's the opposite of what me and Tom and Zach and Thad started 15 years ago.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  Where we were doing YouTube channel in hopes of getting a TV show. You know, now you're, you're kinda doing a TV show in hopes of growing your YouTube channel.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  That's not completely wrong, yeah.

• 28:06Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Cause I can control the YouTube. Now, the difference between television and YouTube, I think most people don't,

• 28:13Speaker 01

  rightfully so, understand because they're not, they're not behind the scenes. I didn't know either. But the speed with which you can do YouTube, obviously, the control that you have with YouTube, the storylines, the scripts, how you cater to your actual, you know, viewer base, is completely different than that of television. And I didn't, I didn't understand and appreciate that in the beginning. And I'm still somewhat ignorant because I felt, and I still feel to this day, that the television, you know, was shot much better than, let's say, than I would, of course, with these zillion dollar cameras. But I, I mean, the amount of time and, and thought and the scripts and the smoothie guys and the, like, I mean, it's like a million people on set. And it's like, it's so interesting to see the difference between the two.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  And I argue, you know, I wonder, you know, what the spread is between the two of them based on how much is put in. You follow what I'm saying?

• 29:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I know, but like, I mean, I don't know, for me, like, the best, I suppose the best case scenario is just a YouTube channel that gets enough traffic that you can use a nice camera.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:14Matt Farah?

  But still not have a corporate infrastructure to support.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  You know, that's, the problem, what sucks about TV, I mean, the trade off of TV, is there's a vast increase in resources.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:27Matt Farah?

  But the, the, those resources come with a corporate infrastructure that makes, that makes anyone who comes from YouTube go, wait a minute, why can't we just do that? Like-

• 29:40Speaker 01

  Do you know how many times I had that conversation? My agent said the same thing, he goes, "I understand, I, I must have heard, you need to just relax. That these things take time, and I, and I get it, and I'm not like bashing it, it's just a different beast."

• 29:51Matt Farah?

  What do you mean, we can't do this thing?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  I was like, "Why don't we just rebuild the engine?" It's like, "Well, we, we don't have the, you know, the X my, X Y Z for," I'm like, "What do we do, like, why do we need helicopter?"

• 30:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, I, I was told a million times that I was an idiot, and, and then, not only the TV show, but the entire network went under, so, you know, who's an idiot?

• 30:13Speaker 01

  No, but listen, it worked out the best we could, because I can only imagine with the first group, because there was a lot more restrictions in the first group, so going to the next one, and, and working with the, the new producers and stuff, you know, is everything perfect? No, nothing, I don't think ever, any production group, you know, any television is perfect, but it definitely went as well as I could have hoped with the constraints that we had and the timeframe and blah, blah, blah. I think, let me say it this way, the issue with creating something that's amazing, and I don't know how to get around this, is for you to create something amazing, you can't, you cannot force it into one week. That's what I learned. Like, you, you can't force like a wonderful story, because then I think things-

• 30:50Matt Farah?

  You mean, you mean the pimp my ride rule doesn't apply? Like, you actually, it turns out you cannot actually restore a vehicle into-

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Like, you can do it really fast, the GTI episode, which I'm, that we'll talk about in a second, that was five weeks. That was like insanely fast, and it was five weeks. So I'm trying to figure out a way to keep the high-quality camera, and the high-quality production, and all the, you know, artists and the people that were there, they were amazing, and how do you do that with not a budget of $25 million or whatever, like a, like a movie? How do you do that?

• 31:18Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, I don't know, other than you under, accept that it's gonna take longer, but pick many milestones within it, and go, "Look, I, I don't need camera guys for six months. What I need are camera guys for six days, one day a month."

• 31:33Speaker 01

  That's-

• 31:34Matt Farah?

  And I need to be able to plan- To have some kind of progress to show at each of these milestones.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  That's what I would probably do. I don't know if that's a perfect answer, that answer may fucking suck.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  That's optimistic because you know, if you get in, like, let's say you split into six things. And you have the first, one, two, three, four, five, six milestone. On milestone three, we both know, how many stores, how many cars have you and I restored?

• 31:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Like, that's never right.

• 31:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  And there's always something that goes wrong, that, then you have to move this, and you have to call 700 people to shift that guy from that movie to this thing.

• 32:04Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, I mean, then, then, then the answer is literally, you have like, one PA

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  that knows like, a little bit about camera work, who's just like, on site, that is the capture it in the moment guy.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  I think that's the smartest way, because that's what we're doing at YouTube.

• 32:22Matt Farah?

  Just post one do that.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Run dude. Like a 25-year-old blah blah blah that has the camera, that is so on and so forth.

• 32:26Matt Farah?

  Your job is to be ready for if anything dramatic happens.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  And if you do that, then I think the quality, you know, of, of the coffee that you make is so much better from the ground than just like, jamming it in, and making it work, and having it, so, but I also understand and appreciate that, that's how that, so, to me, I guess the moral of the story is, I didn't know that was a thing.

• 32:45Matt Farah?

  Well, production crews are more expensive than engine rebuilds. That's the, that's the way to think about it.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  That's, that's correct.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 32:53Speaker 01

  That's exactly what it was.

• 32:54Matt Farah?

  Even, pick a show, Overhaulin', Pimp My Ride, fucking Gas Monkey, whatever. The production crew is so much more expensive than doing a build. So if you gotta fucking shit out the build, in order to fit the needs of the production crew, like, so be it. That's fucking TV, bro.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  So then what's the solution to making better, higher quality content, without having to like, stay in that?

• 33:18Matt Farah?

  Top Gear did it by being funded by the government.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Well, I have high hopes for extreme detailing, but I'm not exactly sure that that's gonna happen here.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  You know, Anthony Bourdain did it by, by being so good at his, at his thing.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:33Matt Farah?

  That you, that nobody could say no to letting him do it. And he didn't have, and he didn't have, he had offers, and he didn't have to water his shit down for anybody. That's how he did it, he was so good at it, that he could, but...

• 33:43Speaker 01

  That's what I'm hoping we get picked up, and I, I can, I don't wanna say have a little bit more latitude, but...

• 33:48Matt Farah?

  Well, that's what everybody wants, right?

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, just not, latitude's not the right word, I just wanna be able to create the story that I like, would like to create, that I'm doing on YouTube now, but with maybe a little bit more budget, and a little bit more like, okay...

• 33:59Matt Farah?

  Bro, my car, they had a year. The blue car we drove today. And it had to be done for Pebble. This isn't a television show. It was done five days before it has to go to Pebble. Starting from a year ago. And Jonathan and Chris, the guys who are responsible for radials at Manks. The last two days I saw them were both very sweaty, stressed out and not sleeping. And we didn't have to write that shit.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's real.

• 34:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  That's real.

• 34:33Matt Farah?

  It, you don't really need to, you just need to film, it's like an auction. You really just need to pay attention at the end.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  So the GTI that we did, which is coming out now, uh, the next week or so, probably right around when this podcast comes out. We found that in the ground and I was like, you know what? This is a perfect time to have this as the quintessence of what I wish I could have done with five weeks. When I understand, we only had a week, I get it. And we did, like, and we made amazing television in a week. But like, let's say if I had five weeks to do it and with no constraints and had that PA that was running around, that metaphorical PA. That's what I did with this GTI and filmed every, but we had two terabytes. We had two terabytes of footage, which like if anybody, it's like a subscene amount. Because we had cameras sitting like this.

• 35:17Matt Farah?

  If I was the editor, I'd be like, you, you, what? You have what?

• 35:19Speaker 01

  He was, he was 40 hours in and it was half done. And I was like, oh, that bill's gonna be crazy.

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God, you lost so much money on that video.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I did. That one, that one, that one I did, but I was trying to run an experiment and be like, okay.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  Production crews cost more than Kenji rebuilds, Larry.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in truth, the edit would be more than the, the cost of the car when I bought it.

• 35:40Matt Farah?

  No, for real, an editor, an editor's day rate is at least as much as that of a mark specialist for Volkswagen.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Absolutely, absolutely, people. So at the end of it, I always do like the, you know, the balance sheet on it. I'm like, oh, I broke even again, or like, I just lost a little bit on it. But it's a great episode, but I really wanted to exercise that, like, okay, if I could do it the way that I wanted to do it. And I'm still doing it with like five Ds and eighty seven threes or whatever, you know, like normal cameras instead of the big thing that they had, you know, like where you have to have like a guy, two guys carrying it kind of thing. Um, this is what I would have shot. Because we were at everything that we needed to be at for the whole entire five weeks. So that's the part that I'm trying to, I'm struggling with. If we could somehow figure out a quicker way of doing it, that would be, that would be the best way. And you know what? I wasn't, you see this, the DJI?

• 36:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Like, there's no plug and they're not a sponsor or whatever. Like, half the show, there were some spots where I saw the directors and stuff using this. And I was like, excuse me. I was like, what are you, what is this here? And he's like, oh, it's a DJI. And I'm like, you're using this to get, you know, and there was some footage with it. And I was like, really? And that's why I was like, okay.

• 36:44Matt Farah?

  I've had GoPros in television, professional-grade television productions I've been in for 12, 14 years.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  The reason I bring that up is like, well, if this is acceptable, which is awesome. I'm not like, I think it's great.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Like, why can't we?

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  What the fuck I need you for?

• 36:58Speaker 01

  I'm saying, why can't we just buy seven of these things for like, one lens of the new one, right? And then put it at the five locations and be like, hey dude, flip that thing on when you're doing a whatever. So I don't have to, you see what I'm saying? I wish we could spend time figuring out.

• 37:10Matt Farah?

  What you want the good camera for is the interviews.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:14Matt Farah?

  That's what you need, you want, because you want to fucking look, you know, good lighting.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  It has the blurriness in the background.

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you want that to look nice, but for like, fucking chainsawing a fucking wall down.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Like, I'm reaching underneath and I'm pulling out like, some disgusting thing. I don't need like, whatever. So, I think these are little tweaks that we can make, but, you know, no complaints. I learned a ton. I hope it gets picked up. And if it does, I would love to streamline to be able to do better things, like build the engines or rip apart the cars or whatever. So anyways, that's the backstory.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  I've known you since we were 12.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  12 years old, seventh grade.

• 37:48Matt Farah?

  I've never once in my life heard you express any affinity for a Volkswagen GTI. And all of a sudden, you're like, I'm $50,000 into a fucking GTI that I pulled out of the woods.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  It was a memory of you and me.

• 38:03Matt Farah?

  I'm going like, what are you doing? Like.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  I can't help myself when I see something that that's cool. So I found out from a buddy.

• 38:09Matt Farah?

  You had the Rabbit, which, you know, was amazing, the diesel Rabbit.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  It was 50 bucks.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  But it was worth $50, so.

• 38:15Matt Farah?

  It was absolutely $50 of fun.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, it was the best thing ever. In fact, in the GTI episode I showed you last night, there's a podcast. A little blurb of the podcast of you and I talking about it. So, yeah, I knew of them. I knew that that was like the holy grail, etc. And when I got contacted by my buddy Jeff, I saw it and I was like, dude, how much? And for that, the guy, it was like one of those ones like, I gotta get rid of this car. If you want it, you can have it for this much, but you gotta get it out today kinda deal. And those always like, my ears go up, I'm like, alright. I can't not take a swing at this. And I did. The guy's like, sure, take it. So I brought it back. And then when I finally investigated, I thought it was a 92. So you see throughout the episode-

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  Do I have photos of it here somewhere? I'm sure I do. Hang on.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, right there. That's when it's done. So when, uh, when he told me the price and when he told me what it was, it was a 92. And I was like-

• 39:06Matt Farah?

  It's a 91.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  It's a 91. But he told, like, I originally-

• 39:08Matt Farah?

  Why does that matter?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  It doesn't because in the beginning of the episode, I'm like, I finally got my 92, whatever. And then when we started doing like VIN verification and going through and like disassembling the engine, we're like, I had a bunch of pros come in, they're like, dude-

• 39:19Matt Farah?

  Wait, and why do you care that it was a 92?

• 39:20Speaker 01

  I just, because I look like an idiot because I say it was a 92 for the first part of the video. And people are like, dude, it's a 91. Alright, so I'm covering my bases. But you could see he was sitting at this guy's place. And then from 91 to 92, from what I understand, hopefully your viewers can correct me on this, but from what I understand, there's only 500 ever made in Montana green. The reason, or part of the reason why, is nobody wanted it.

• 39:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's the best way to get a color. That was like Casse red on my safari car.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  They hated it.

• 39:47Matt Farah?

  Or frozen berry.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Right. And so now it's super hot. So when I called my VW buddy Cory, and I told him what it was, I gave him the VIN. He's like, dude, this is like the rare of rare. And if you can get it for that price, which is a few thousand dollars, he's like, you're out of your mind. Build it, you know, get it built. And so it just kinda steamrolled and steamrolled. And I thought I was just gonna detail it as a disaster detail and be alright. But this thing was such a hot mess that all the mice and all the urine was in the heater box. So we had to like disassemble the whole dashboard and everything. And then once he did that, and I get J and B, those guys are nuts. When J and B gets involved, they're like, no, we're not doing like half, half ass stuff. We're gonna, we're gonna go all the way. And so they ripped all of it apart. And then I called my buddy Bill, and this dude is like the GTI whisperer.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  And if you saw all that like spaghetti of, like, who was ever gonna put this back together? So, um, although I lost my GTI badge on the back, I don't know if you saw that badge that was on the back of it?

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  I did not. Can you not, can you not get another GTI badge?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  No, they're like unobtanium. I had it and then I, I brought it down to the, it just, I don't know. It's like vanished somewhere. But yeah, that's the day that it came in. And that's when we went to uh.

• 40:54Matt Farah?

  How much are you into this GTI?

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Quite, quite, quite a bit.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  How much?

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Quite a bit.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  Sixty?

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:01Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  A little less than that, yeah. It's awesome though. It's awesome though.

• 41:05Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  It's pretty cool.

• 41:07Matt Farah?

  Isn't that awesome?

• 41:08Speaker 01

  It's actually, it's like a very underpowered, um, very light, uh, early 9/11. Like it feels, it feels solid and it handles great. It just doesn't have any power.

• 41:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  The seats in it are incredibly comfortable.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  There were Carros probably, right?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Way comfortable, way more comfortable than the GT3.

• 41:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Like, super comfy. Um, right now, it's, it's back at Bill for two reasons. One, there's an over, um, over, over the, over steering wheel clutch, something, I forget the name of it, but like when you push on the clutch, there's this special like spring and, and, um, like, uh, plastic piece that makes it recoil. It's like.

• 41:48Matt Farah?

  Like a helper spring?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, kinda like that.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  Clutch return spring?

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Touch, but it was named something else and it's very, very hard to find. So I have to get it 3D printed. So essentially, the first, like probably two, three inches of the throw are very limp. So you have to like lift it up with the back of your foot. It's kind of annoying. And then the shifter itself is like my old 964 where you can literally just go da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, that kinda thing. So it's at the shop right now getting those two things fixed. But once those are fixed, it's very, very tight for what, what it is. It's cool. It's very cool.

• 42:16Matt Farah?

  Fun cars, but it's just like, that's.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  That's a huge amount of fucking money and time to put into a GTI, man.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  I just, I couldn't help myself.

• 42:24Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  And it's four door. See, here's the thing. Now, I feel every single car I have besides the Cayenne is two-door. And it's the most fun thing in the world, blah, blah, blah. And I, like, you and I just went up for that drive. I'm like, man, if I lived here, I would love to go for just a 35 mile an hour drive, beautiful view, arm out the window, just to kinda get it out of the system, come home and you're good to go. I really have that in Connecticut. It's just like not, it's just not what that is, as you know. I mean, you have to go upstate or whatever. And where I am in my life, it's baseball, baseball, baseball, kids, work, you know, family, the whole thing. So the GTI was like, okay, and my pea brain was going like, okay, if I spend money on this, I can have a GTI for a little while and be able to have a backseat. So now I drive back and forth to baseball, whatever, you know, family things. And it's like, yay, I get to drive like a cool car to and for.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  It's so funny, like everyone I know who has kids.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:13Matt Farah?

  And likes cars. It just, they all go into this thing where all of a sudden they start shitting on sports cars because they don't hold their fucking kids. And I'm just like, I'm so happy that A, I don't have fucking kids and B, that not everybody is deciding that every car needs to fit fucking kids in it. Uh, because every car that has a backseat is like worse than every car that doesn't have a backseat.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  It's true, it's just-

• 43:43Matt Farah?

  A two plus two is like the shittiest configuration of car ever.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  I think you need to go all one direction or the other to get the best of the best, but you know, as your dad, as a dad, you know, you want to do the right thing in a car. So that's the, I was telling you again off air, like I love the GT3, I think it's the greatest thing ever. It's unbelievable, the ship-

• 44:03Matt Farah?

  Why don't you have a fucking backseat put in it? They do that now.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  I know, but even then, I was, I'm thinking about ripping out the interior, dynamating everything because I mean, it is a tin can.

• 44:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, add weight, add weight to the GT3, that'll add value.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I'm going deaf driving it right now and you're like, why don't you change the exhaust? Because I'm like, it sounds so good.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's funny, he won't take off his fucking straight pipe, but he's gonna add dynamat to the thing.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  That's a logical, that's a car guy thought.

• 44:31Matt Farah?

  Now I know why you feel like a douche driving that car. He's like, I don't know, I might sell it, I feel like a douche. Yeah, well, if it's a straight pipe with added weight, yes, that, you are a douche.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Ah, dude, I'm telling you, it sounds amazing though when you go through the gears, so I, it's, it's, pick your poison, so I don't know what to do with that.

• 44:47Matt Farah?

  Put a touring interior in it.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  I could, I could, or I could just go back to the Taycan, I regret selling that Taycan. And you of all people now are bought into the Taycan, it's the greatest thing ever.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  I got the same car that you had, I just paid half as much.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  But that's true, that's very true. The Cayenne, I can go out to Long Island and do the jobs out there and not take the Taycan, but for everything else, Taycan is-

• 45:06Matt Farah?

  Electric cars are just better. And your, your job in Long Island was like, just like 30 miles too far.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  It was like 36 miles too far where I had to stop, and if you're gonna stop, you must have stopped for 45 minutes. And I'm like, dude, I can't, this is too long.

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Um, so I can always use that car, so I'm, I'm really thinking about where to find a Taycan.

• 45:24Matt Farah?

  Taycan's was fucking sick.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  So if you know where a Taycan Crosserismo is.

• 45:27Matt Farah?

  I literally just like found mine on the internet and bought it.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  I'd love to buy mine back.

• 45:32Matt Farah?

  I don't know, you could probably find it if you want it, but you don't want that one. Cause if if someone knows that you want a specific one, now you're fucked.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, now they're gonna check it out.

• 45:41Matt Farah?

  No, yeah. No, you want, and besides, someone's been like, fuckin'. There's been, there's been like a Saint Bernard in the back of that thing. It's gonna come back and you're gonna go, it don't smell right.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  No. And that seat, I don't know if you ever, does your seat squeak? My seat had a crazy squeak.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  It squeaked a little bit if I get out of it.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:59Matt Farah?

  If I get out the right way, yeah, yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  I took it in for a recall for the seat.

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, I've taken, uh, mine's going in, uh, like in two weeks. Both of the front window seals have like left little bits of like residue on the bottom of the windows and they've had to have to replace them. I don't know what that's about. It looks like, almost like the car had tint that was taken off like badly, but it it it never did like so. They were like, oh, they replaced it under warranty.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  Yours looks great. They made, as soon as I saw it when I got, got here yesterday, I was like, oh, man, I really want that car. Cause it's four seater, it's great, it's cool, it's fun.

• 46:32Matt Farah?

  I'll sell it to you for seventy-two five. Transfer, transferable warranty.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly what I, I got for my car when I sold it.

• 46:40Matt Farah?

  No, I'll tell you, I got mine cheap, but what I, what it cost me was color choice.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:47Matt Farah?

  Cause I really, I, I, I decided to, to get it at, I don't know, the very end of the year. It was pretty, it was, and I, and I only had a couple of days to find it and, and, uh.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  So white wouldn't have been your first choice?

• 47:01Matt Farah?

  No, I don't.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  It's not bad, it's not bad.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  It's not bad, but I, I don't buy white, I buy colors. I li- I like colors and so I had a lead on a blue and, and before I could like get back to them, somebody bought it. And then I found a nice chalk, which I don't love chalk, but it was a color.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:18Matt Farah?

  And before I, someone bought that one too. And so this one, I was like, the, the next one I find, like if it, if it meet, I don't give a shit what color it is, if it satisfies the rest of it. And then it just in between, I knew about my car the day before, but I didn't want it cause it was white. And, uh, and in between that day and the next day, which was December thirtieth, they hacked four K off the price to move it before the end of the year. So it got even cheaper.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  It was sixty what?

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  Sixty-four eight. And I called the dealer and the salesman, shout out to Lance, was a fan.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  And he was like, sold.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Well, at first, I then tried to fucking, I then tried to fucking negotiate further. And he goes, Matt, I know why you called. They're in Detroit. He goes, I know why you called. This is the cheapest one listed on the internet right now. I, I, I'm not gonna make it any cheaper. Find a cheaper one. And I go, alright, fine.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Fair, fair point.

• 48:13Matt Farah?

  And I sent the wire and got on a plane. Like eight hours.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  So you think the prices of those are going up now?

• 48:18Matt Farah?

  I think the, I think to get the same car I got would cost you a little more money right now because of tariffs. Making the new, the new ones more expensive.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. I looked on, while I was on the plane out here, there's only three up there right now.

• 48:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  On eBay, on eBay.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  There was only like, uh, no, I was looking at like AutoTempest, stuff like that, sites that dealers were using, not eBay. I wa, I wanted to buy CPO from a dealer. So I found, I literally was like, national search. You know, keywords, certified, pre-owned, price lowest to highest. And, uh.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  I think it's worth taking a look. I think it'll get back into the, when you go out with your family kind of thing. I'm not taking this off-road, you know.

• 49:02Matt Farah?

  That's cool, but like, yeah, for driving on the road, you want a road car, as it turns out. That's like with, some people with the fucking Manks were like, Manks, you're taking off-road? It's supposed to be for off-road. Like, I've now owned like, four off-road cars. And I've collectively taken all of them off-road. Four or five times. Between all of them.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Right. And you live out here. You imagine doing that in Connecticut?

• 49:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Like, off-road is just winter. That, that's off-road.

• 49:31Matt Farah?

  Right. I get that, yeah, but, but, uh, yeah, no, my car's an on-road car, so.

• 49:37Matt Farah?

  Alright, well, I, if you, I assume you'll have the GTI for like a little while.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll have it for a little while. I was going to the Lo Show. I'm getting it.

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  The what show?

• 49:45Speaker 01

  It's called the Lo Show. It's like a huge show in Pennsylvania. Pots, Potsdam? Potsdale?

• 49:51Matt Farah?

  That's a place. Potsdam is a place.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the FCP year I was taking it out there, and then I'm gonna go in my GT3 for one day. It's a four-day van, I'm not gonna go for four days, but I'll go. On the last day, but what I did learn and what I think was valuable with the GTI, whether I keep it or not for 20 years or whatever, is working with the VW crowd. It's just a completely different crowd. They're like super, super nerdy and excited.

• 50:11Matt Farah?

  They are hard fucking core, man.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  And they're generous and it was cool to get into that community. And that car is like shoehorning me into that community. So I was pretty stoked about that.

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Cool guys.

• 50:22Matt Farah?

  That's cool. Yeah, no, I mean, our friend Brian Scotto is super into Volkswagens. And they are like, they kind of have a little bit of a sense of humor.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think what I was talking to you before about like feeling a little weird about driving the GT3, I think it's the most amazing thing in the world. I do feel a little guilty driving it. I think what I was, the point I was trying to make is when I drive the Model T. It's just like, it's so inexpensive.

• 50:45Matt Farah?

  The Model T is the best.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 50:48Matt Farah?

  Over here somewhere.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  It's probably pretty deep.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  No, it wasn't that deep. I saw it. It was somewhere. Keep going.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  So when I drive the Model T, there it is. That's coming out in Petrolicious. That's the Petrolicious shoot in the next couple of weeks. It's just, I laughed the entire time. Every single person I go by gives a wave, a thumbs up. Or like, that's the coolest thing in the world. So that's always nice and wonderful. As opposed to like, you know, when you're driving GT3, you get like, oh yeah, that's cool and that's great. But I, sometimes I feel awkward driving it.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Well, look, because a car, a car that requires some...

• 51:23Speaker 01

  You can't just drive that.

• 51:24Matt Farah?

  Personal sacrifice, right? It's got no roof. It's slow. You have to...

• 51:28Speaker 01

  You have to know how to drive it.

• 51:29Matt Farah?

  You have to know what to do.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  It's really difficult.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  You know, a supercar, whether it's a Porsche or any other supercar, you know, it's just money.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  A check and a key.

• 51:38Matt Farah?

  It's just money.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, like this one here, like you can be the world's greatest driver, but if you don't know what you're doing in Model T, you're like, you're gonna die at 30 miles an hour. And so there's something to that. So the point I'm trying to make is, you know, I guess the bumper sticker was saying would be like, you know, miles per hour or whatever. I just think for a couple thousand bucks that I spent and the fact that I kept it from getting crushed and it's a piece of history and it's original as most of, you know, whatever, you know, most of it's original. It's just, it's just a cool piece that I can go and show people and go in parades and whatever. And then sometimes when I look at like the value of the GT3, which is amazing. And I think it's the most amazing, it's a ridiculous car. It's so fun. I just don't know if that ratio, that indefinable ratio of miles per hour is equivalent

• 52:21Speaker 01

  to the ratio of this car or the GTI or...

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  Sure. Well, because... I mean, look.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  If you spend a million dollars on a car, is that really gonna make you that smiling, that happy?

• 52:31Matt Farah?

  No, no.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Like, versus like, okay.

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  Certainly not if you're driving on the fucking road.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  That's what I'm s-

• 52:36Matt Farah?

  You can't, the, the road has been the same since we were young children.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  They actually made roads for that one, that's why that's so cool. The roads didn't exist for that car.

• 52:43Matt Farah?

  Those are, Model Ts are, uh, the, the move is to try one off-road. Cause Model Ts are amazing on the-

• 52:49Speaker 01

  You know the suspension distance in that is absurd?

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Like you go- Our friend John Bothwell drove one with us a thousand miles when we did All Cars Go to Heaven 2. I was in a Previa and, uh, Tom and Zach were in a Hyundai Accent. Uh, and our friend John was in a fucking nineteen twenty-one Model T. And we all collectively did a thousand miles off-road in those cars.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 53:13Matt Farah?

  The Model T was amazing off-road.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  It's super comfy.

• 53:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  And so I, I have new heads coming in, I gotta get the headlights fin- like if you drive that in dark, I mean, I literally take my iPhone out, it's terrible. Um, and a couple little thing, I'm upgrading the brakes, just like safety things, cause I bring the kids in it, but...

• 53:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, drum brakes, you need drum, you need drum brakes.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  A new head gets you eleven horsepower, which doubles the horsepower.

• 53:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Cause when you have like four or five people in there, you go up a hill, you legitimately are like, you're struggling, so, uh, the, the point I was trying to make-

• 53:43Matt Farah?

  You can do a two-speed transfer case, three-speed transfer case?

• 53:45Speaker 01

  I think I'm just gonna leave it the way that it is, I think it's, I think she's fine.

• 53:48Matt Farah?

  You know what, I drove a Model T that had a gas pedal mod.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 53:52Matt Farah?

  Period, yeah. So I drove for a road, my friend John, after that road trip, and when he did the Model T, he really learned a lot. He's a Model T like enthusiast, and he has like five or six of them. And he built, uh, he, he bought, uh, a Model T Speedster race car.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:07Matt Farah?

  Which had the gas pedal mod, and drove much more like a regular car.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Did they have to cut a hole in the floorboard?

• 54:12Matt Farah?

  Well, it, this had a completely different, uh, body, like, let me see if I can actually find it.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  So you can put a gas pedal in this car if you retrofit it?

• 54:21Matt Farah?

  There is a mod for gas pedal in that car, yes.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  And does it just go over where the clutch would be? Cause there's three pedals down there, but most people, it's, it's, it's a clutch, a reverse and a brake. There's no gas pedal there.

• 54:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, wait, hang on. So this, so the Speedster, oh, you gotta be kidding me. I have to log in for this fucking thing. Uh, no, this, you can see it, it's like blurry, but you see this is like a Speedster body.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:45Matt Farah?

  This is, this, you could turn, using period parts, you could turn a Model T into like a race car that looked like a Mercer raceabout and shit. And had like pedals. Now, I don't know if you could put the pedals on your body, or if you'd have to turn, do a thing, but I did drive this one that had, that was technically a Model T, but had like more regular pedals. Like, the high-low pedal was still the high-low pedal. The middle pedal was drum brakes and the right pedal was gas.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Really?

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. And mine is completely opposite.

• 55:24Matt Farah?

  Uh.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  The left side is, is if you push the clutch in, in first, that'll have you moving.

• 55:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  If you go to second gear, you have to lift off the clutch like a normal car would be, and the car goes on its own.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  Then it's in high.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  It's in high and it just go, you can pull it.

• 55:38Matt Farah?

  And you're just throttling.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  You're just throttling and like.

• 55:40Matt Farah?

  It's like cruise control, pretty much.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 55:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  And if you wanna, if you wanna come back down, when you wanna brake, you pull the lever from first, from second, and push it into first.

• 55:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Then, uh, you put your foot on, on the clutch.

• 55:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  To, uh, modulate how fast you're going left or right or.

• 55:56Matt Farah?

  And then in between, halfway between low and high is true neutral, right?

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 56:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. So yours is just normal Model T.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Normal Model T.

• 56:03Matt Farah?

  So John's other Model T that he has is the Super T, which has every period available off-roading mod that you could get from catalogs.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Like JCPenney or whatever it was.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could order these, he has these huge catalogs.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Or JC Whitney.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of like parts for the Model T. So he has like different head, like a water pump, a different like steel wheels, better brakes, two-speed transfer case.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  They still have all that stuff.

• 56:31Matt Farah?

  And that shit is a beast off-road. It's fabulous.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  And you know it costs nothing?

• 56:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Like to do the carburetor, there was one part that was. Seven dollars and sixty-five cents. That was like the whole thing that made it run. He's like, oh, it's gonna be like seven, seven sixty-five. I'm like, seven hundred and sixty-five dollars. Alright, fine. He's like, seven dollars and sixty-five cents. It'll be here tomorrow. It's like mailed in a... So, uh, we're gonna do that just to make it safe. But again, the overall point I was trying to make is I really like focusing on trying to find that sweet spot car that hits both, um, the value and makes you smile and that kind of reset everything. So let's take an example, like a Vantage. I think a Vantage right now is like an undervalued fun car. I, I can't speak a hundred percent you could more about like the service and the maintenance of it, but you can get, you get in the game with a Vantage.

• 57:17Matt Farah?

  Forty thousand, fifty thousand gets you a nice one.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Get some nice rims on it, maybe lower a little bit. You know, you can do your little touches and feel like it's yours and like you're in the game with like an amazing car.

• 57:27Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And I, I appreciate that. I feel like I'm starting to appreciate that more with my, you know, lifestyle and my, you know, family and the whole thing versus just like, here's a check and this is the most ridiculous car in the world. That part I'm trying to like, you know, I'm mentally going through as like a dad and like a car guy or whatever.

• 57:44Matt Farah?

  I'm lucky that I get press cars because it scratches that itch and I have no desire to get into the new supercar game at all.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  I can understand this because I, I felt like I, that was like the dream car. Like I'm big on vision boards and whatever. And actually on my vision board, by the way, was Velocity on the Discovery Channel. That's how old that vision board was. And right next to it was a GT3. So I got to check both of those off this year. So that's a big accomplishment. So I'm super stoked. I don't want to be like, oh, he's like not happy about the GT3. The car is phenomenal. It's just like now I'm going like, okay, what's the, what's the best use of that? Cause I'm thinking if I sell that car, I can take that money and put it towards youth baseball and like all these other things that I never thought would be like more meaningful to me than walking in my garage, which is very meaningful to me and looking at the, looking at the car and being like, whoa, like I did like a thousand details for that car.

• 58:29Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  So. That's what I'm figuring out.

• 58:33Matt Farah?

  The achievement is more important than the driving experience. You're not going to track days with it.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  I am not. And then there's this other part.

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  Which is ironic because you used to go to track days all the time in your 964.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  I used to do 15 track days events and that was a three day event. 15 times 3 per year. But again, that was before a baby, blah blah blah. And so, whatever. And then maybe you do that when you get older, when they're in college and so on and so forth. But that's something I'm definitely, definitely thinking about. Plus, the other added thing is the GT3. You can't, I mean, it's, it's, it's fun to drive around slow, but that car just wants to be like ripped.

• 59:07Matt Farah?

  It's not that, GT3s aren't that fun to drive slow.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  I was being nice.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  I don't like them at all driving slow.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  And I have carbon bucket seats. And I'm a giant.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  That's not fun.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  I made pillows for the back of it. So, the point I'm making is like, you really gotta be, you have to have a lot of self-control because you, I mean, you rip your gears.

• 59:22Matt Farah?

  You should probably get a Carrera T with comfort seats and a backseat.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:28Matt Farah?

  And pocket the difference. Seriously. Get a fucking Carrera T allocation. That's a road car with a backseat.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:39Matt Farah?

  And it's half the fucking price. You could, you're, you know what your dealer would fucking kill to get your GT3 back?

• 59:45Speaker 01

  It's so nice.

• 59:46Matt Farah?

  For a Carrera T.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  It's so clean. It's so beautiful.

• 59:49Matt Farah?

  And I just drove this one that was the, the 700 horsepower, like, three parts and it makes 700 horsepower. But the rest of the time it drives totally normally.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  That might be a way.

• 59:59Matt Farah?

  Backseat.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Right now I'm thinking, I'm thinking Taycan right now. I totally, I blew it. I blew it on that one, but.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you should have kept that one. You didn't know what you had.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I didn't know what I had. I thought for sure like the whole market was going to tank. And this guy, my buddy Dominic, who has all those crazy cars, you know, Ferraris and stuff, uh, he's in every episode. Anyways, he told me this thing I'd never heard before. He's like, do you want to catch a falling knife up here? Or do you want to catch a falling knife down here? And I was like, ah, never. He's, he was saying with the prices of Taycan, this was before, uh, when I sold it a year and a half ago or whatever it was. I was like, I guess I'll just catch it up here. Meaning I'm going to get, I'm going to get bloody either way. This one's going to go through my hand. And so I took the hit. I got it for 111 and I sold it for 74. I was like, whoa, that's the first time I ever lost on a car.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  Okay, so that's, uh, what, 36,000, right?

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:44Matt Farah?

  74 to 111?

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Matt Farah?

  Okay, so, for, for me to lose that much, I would have to sell for, I'd have, if I, you win if I can't get 28 grand.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna play that game. Like, I'll lose immediately. Who's not gonna spend that?

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Twenty-eight grand for your car? Are you crazy?

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I mean, like even-

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  With the wheels?

• 1:01:04Matt Farah?

  It's a very nice car, but I still believe the floor of an EV is zero.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  You do think so?

• 1:01:12Matt Farah?

  The eventual floor.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  How about this? I'll give you twenty-eight thousand right now for your car, alright? With the wheels.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  The eventual floor, but if you go on, you know, Cars and Bids, whatever, you know, twenty-twelve Tesla Model S's and shit are still like twenty grand. So, if the car works, you know, then you could still probably get twenty grand for it.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I'm not gonna keep the car past my warranty, so I don't give a shit.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  How long is that?

• 1:01:39Matt Farah?

  Four years.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  You're gonna really get rid of it after the warranty?

• 1:01:41Matt Farah?

  I will. I almost certainly won't keep it that long. I'll get tired. I'll get bored of it probably after-

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  And that's CPO warranty?

• 1:01:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I'll get, I'll probably get bored of it by year three.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:52Matt Farah?

  I just will. It's the, I know me. There's no fucking way I'm going four years on one daily driver. No chance.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  This is really just an itis that every car guy has. It's like, soon as you get it, like, the excitement of building the GTI and the whatever and driving- And it's really exciting and I'll keep it for a while, but is it a, is it a 964? Nothing is the 964. The 964 will stay there. Like, I just, that's like, that's more meaningful. Like, I'm sleeping in the back of a car and I built this one. So, it's like, you know what? I'm gonna keep this car. But everything else, when it comes to, you know, family and kids and whatnot, like, I'll get rid of it. But the 964 I bought for nineteen grand. You remember that?

• 1:02:24Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, I mean-

• 1:02:25Matt Farah?

  Remember you, the, the red one? Um, Connor's brother's car that-

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I can't believe you remember that. You know, I got to drive that to the, um, what's the place in Rye? The, the ice cream store?

• 1:02:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, Longford's.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Longford's. So, I got to drive it to Longford's.

• 1:02:39Matt Farah?

  God, the hottest girls always worked at Longford's Ice Cream. That was where I was fucking at.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Because all the guys would go see the girls and, um, Connor's brother's like, "Listen, I'll give it to you for the summer. You clean it, do the, the blah blah blah." And then go drive it to Longford's, park it out in front, and I was like, totally faking it, like, "Yeah, check out this car and it's for sale." I had a big for sale sign on it. That's what got me crazy about 964's.

• 1:02:59Matt Farah?

  But that was a nice car.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Oh, sweet.

• 1:03:01Matt Farah?

  Guards red, five-speed.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure it was a Targa. Was that a Targa?

• 1:03:05Matt Farah?

  No, I think it was a sunroof coupe.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Was it?

• 1:03:08Matt Farah?

  I think it was a sunroof coupe, but I remember it was like forty thousand miles.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Matt Farah?

  And you were trying to get like twenty-six grand for it in like oh-five, oh-six.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Matt Farah?

  And maybe it was earlier, oh-four maybe, but you like, you couldn't get it. Like, it was like, you couldn't, you, it was clean.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Single wasn't around then, man.

• 1:03:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, the car was only like five years, ten years old.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  It was like a ninety-four.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  I remember it just being like, wow, this is the greatest car ever.

• 1:03:37Matt Farah?

  It was nice.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  It was nice. Yeah, parked that shit in front of Longford's?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Uh, I can't believe you-

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Kelly, wherever you are. You were the queen of Longford's.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  I can't believe you brought that up. I totally forgot about that.

• 1:03:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that red car.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  I wonder what Connor's doing right now?

• 1:03:52Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Shout out to him.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. His dad was on the, was the Today Show host, wasn't he?

• 1:03:56Matt Farah?

  What?

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Hartman, yeah. His dad, Connor Hartman's dad, was like a host, like Matt Lauer in like the seventies.

• 1:04:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, cool, yeah. Well, no, I mean, so, oh, so we actually did go to school with some people who had good parents. It wasn't only the people who wrecked the economy in two thousand eight and or like spread propaganda.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  He was way retired by then.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  Let's see, we've got, uh, OxyContin, we've got Crashing the Economy, and we've got Pro Fascism Propaganda. Cool.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Right Country Day.

• 1:04:30Matt Farah?

  Right Country Day School, let's fucking go. Um, lot, uh, lot of questions from the old Patreon today. Let's get to some of them. Of course, if you want to ask questions of our guests, if you want to get the show ad-free, if you want to get the live stream, normally. If you want to get the show before everybody else, patreon.com slash The Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

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• 1:04:57Matt Farah?

  Plus, you get to, yeah, directly support, uh, The Smoking Tire in an environment where ad sales suck.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. It is a different world out there now, I can tell you that.

• 1:05:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Patreon, Patreon has surpassed, for us, has surpassed ad sales each month on the podcast.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Oh, congratulations. That's a big deal.

• 1:05:13Matt Farah?

  So that's good, yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  It's like taking control of your future.

• 1:05:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, direct.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Hey YouTube, are you gonna like give us $300 for this five week long episode?

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  Look, I mean, there's probably an oligarch behind Patreon also, but let's enjoy it while it lasts, okay? I haven't looked into that one. Uh, okay, Jake Shores says, "What is up with rinseless wash? I have friends saying I should try it, but I don't trust not having proper lubrication on the paint. What is your take, Larry?"

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Okay, so in the shortest time possible, so rinseless wash is a substitute. Is it, I should say it another way, is a, is a not qualified substitute for washing your car properly. It is the alternative when you don't have water. So it's, you know, in the absence of water, rinseless wash. I created a thing called frothy, which has a lot more lubrication than a rinseless wash. But it's the same concept, it's in the same genre. So the point I'm trying to make is, when you wash your car properly, or need to wash your car properly, you gotta do that with soap and water and lubrication to carry the things away. When you have a rinseless situation, frothy, rinseless, whatever, you're, you're using that and multiple towels to act as the thing that removes the tiny rocks,

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  i.e. dirt from your car, from your surface of your paint. And so the act of two of them, this one has water flushing it away, which is like a wonderful lubricant.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  And this one has lubrication installed and not that much liquid. And you're using the wiping motion. So out of the two of them, the proper wash is gonna have, is gonna be safer for your paint. Having said that, because in reality, most people don't have access to water. Well, they live in, you get what I'm saying, live in California, live in wherever. That's the, that's the second best alternative to washing your car. So yes, rinseless is good, but there is a point of no return where the car is so dirty, like Jay's car that we just saw, like you wouldn't want a rinseless wash that day.

• 1:07:08Matt Farah?

  He said, Larry, he saw Jay Ryan's car, he's like, what the fuck is this?

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  I was like, he said he's gonna drive across the country, gonna shoot a video and clean the car. I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't stand next to this car.

• 1:07:17Matt Farah?

  You have to make sure when you clean it. Power washes off, there's a, he has a smoke tire sticker on the right, and they get like gravel blasted. So you have to make sure to reapply those when you, uh, when you wash Jay Ryan's car.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  So yeah, they're good, just use them in certain situations, next.

• 1:07:35Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, Bimobile says, uh, just bought an old Mazda RX-8 with 30,000 miles, but the roof rails are a little rusty and the front bumper is faded in the sun. Apart from replacing parts or repainting, what can I do to prolong the life of these parts? Rusting is, there's not a lot of options there.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  Rusting is sort of like holding the hand while they, while they die. Like you either gotta fix it, or just hold it hand as a, you're gonna delay the inevitable kind of thing. So you can polish, especially on red ones, you can polish that, that front bumper out, I bet you'll come out pretty nice. Bumpers are a little bit, uh, more fickle than let's say paint because they don't transfer heat as well. If you heat up the side of something that's metal, you're gonna feel it on the other side. If you heat up something that's plastic, you're not gonna feel it, so the transfer doesn't happen. So when you put heat on it, meaning rotation and you're fixing things, it has a chance to heat up faster and then, basically the paint literally goes, just disintegrate, you know, it, it burns. So yeah, the point is you have to be a little bit more careful on plastic. In terms of the, the roof rails, you gotta just throw some touch up in there because you have to do that properly. That's like, that's no bueno.

• 1:08:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, rust is, is not an easy, you, you, you either fix rust or you don't fix rust.

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  That's my point, yeah, that's my thing.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  I am Dr. Remulac, uh, give me a go, no-go on PPF. I've heard, he, they've heard different opinions from different detailers. Depends on the car.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  I, I'm a huge advocate of it.

• 1:09:04Matt Farah?

  I like it, unless you have fragile paint that's gonna fuck it up somehow by putting it on, like my Countach.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Well, you could even do that, you just have to do it right, but yeah, you're, that Countach, I would tell you no.

• 1:09:15Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't put it on that, you did tell me no.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's, you're, that is a, that's probably the very, the rare, I, very rarely do I say not to, not to put PPF on, that would be the one.

• 1:09:24Matt Farah?

  Original paint on an Italian car from the 80s.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  You're gonna peel that right off, um, when you take it off. So I would say PPF, very pro, and I'll, I'll, I'll give you this anecdote. If, if we could figure out how to put PPF on, that didn't cost so much and take so much time and the labor and the weeks and the drying and the issues. It would, it would put detailers out of business. Like real detailers and real polish and, and paint experts. I'm being a little bit broad there, but I'm making, I'm making the point that it's so good.

• 1:09:52Matt Farah?

  If you PPF a car, you don't then ever need a detailer again.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  I wouldn't go that far. I'm just saying you don't, you don't experience the same amount of degradation to the paint, obviously, that you would without it, which would require someone with the skills to polish that out, to then polish that out. So you kind of, you really take a big bite out of the detailing market. But right now, it's too expensive and it takes too long to put on. If you could have a sprayable version, I don't know, do you remember that 3M version? They made a 3M sprayable, it was awful.

• 1:10:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  It was so awful, like.

• 1:10:19Matt Farah?

  A for effort, but it did not work.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  The concept was there.

• 1:10:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  And so now, what I think is gonna happen is I think manufact- OEMs are gonna figure out how to do that.

• 1:10:27Matt Farah?

  From factory.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  From factory. Right now, they're putting coatings and things in there and making it much thinner and much harder than paints in the past. And the reason why is it doesn't have to stay in the, in the paint booth, doesn't have to stay in the heat booth as long, because the heat booth is where they spend a ton of money. So if they can cut down 10 minutes, two days, whatever, they can save millions of dollars a year by having that car go through. Now, most people think when you go to a body shop, hey, I can heat it up the same thing. But when you go to a body shop and the curing time, you need 90 days to cure, the reason is there's electronics in the car when you go to a body shop. So you can't heat it up to 5,000 degrees, I'm making that number up, you know, to 300 degrees or whatever, because everything's gonna melt. But when it's in, when it's in the factory, you see it dip into the, right?

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  The bath thing, yeah.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  The bath, and then it comes back out and they, all, there's not, there's no, you can heat it up like crazy. So that's what makes it so that you can make the paint even thinner. So they save money on the paint and they save money on it being harder. So that's where it's going now. So I was like, oh, if they're gonna do that, imagine they can, I'm making this up, I'm not an engineer, but like spray on whatever, PPF there.

• 1:11:28Matt Farah?

  And like heat it and it gets like uniform and shiny.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Now it's around the, around the edges, like you don't need to sit there and like.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  Almost like undercoating on the chassis would be, but.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  But clear?

• 1:11:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  And it's like, well, Larry, that's clear coat. I'm like, yes, I'm getting it, I get what you're saying, but like imagine like a clear thing that you could then peel off.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're very, how very like tech bro of you, you've circled back around to inventing clear coat.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm just saying, let me, let me say this, by being able to peel it off and then restart again, that would be dope.

• 1:11:55Matt Farah?

  If you get like a tear offs first, kind of, yeah.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  For like, like that kind of, I haven't quite thought it all through.

• 1:12:01Matt Farah?

  If you buy a very high-end car, it might come from the factory as an option.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Oh, to put a PPF on?

• 1:12:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  For sure, for sure, but yeah.

• 1:12:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, Travis Pastrana's, Travis Pastrana's primary care provider says, "I live in Arizona and I'm very concerned about damage to my clear coat from the sun. I have a Fainelab ceramic coating that supposedly..."

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Fine Labs.

• 1:12:28Matt Farah?

  What is it?

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Fine Labs.

• 1:12:29Matt Farah?

  Sorry. "That supposedly lasts four years. When I asked if I can or should put additional waxes or sprays to help with UV protection, I was advised by them not to put any product over the coating. Do you agree? If not, what should I do?"

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Alright, so here's what's happening. Also, great products, great company, everything's cool. This has nothing to do with them, I'm just saying, in general, the, the, the school of thought is if you have some type of coating on your car and it has a characteristic that you enjoy, that you like the beading or the sheeting or whatever it is that you want. If you then put something on top of it, logically speaking, it's not gonna have the same characteristics of the thing that you had underneath it. So that's kind of the logic of, as to why. The second logic is, we want you to put our stuff on top of it, or clean it with our stuff, which, again, that's just like any other company, soaps and things, you wanna use the same shaver and the same, whatever, it's just to keep you in their, in their brand.

• 1:13:21Matt Farah?

  In their ecosystem.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Totally makes sense. I, on the other hand, think, hey, the more protection you have built up, yes, you're going to minimize the underlying characteristics of like the super beading or whatever it is that you like, but if you're putting something on top of it like wax, I think it, I think of it as a sacrificial layer that I know is gonna get worn away, and I know that it has this, for me, even my coating, I love the coating, I think it looks amazing, but if I'm going to a show and I'm looking for that extra like 2 or 3%, I'm putting car nuba wax on top of my car. It's a throwaway, so I think of it like a suit, a tuxedo. You put the tuxedo on, because you're going out, right? And it looks fantastic, that's the coating. It's the James Bond, you're fantastic, but if you wanna add the boutonniere with the flower, you put that in there, that's the wax, but you know that that dies at the end of the night.

• 1:14:04Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  It's not gonna last forever, but your suit's still good. That kind of mentality, that's what I lean towards, if that makes sense.

• 1:14:11Matt Farah?

  But it doesn't add that much extra protection from the sun?

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  No, it, it will, it just won't last that long.

• 1:14:18Matt Farah?

  It just won't last.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  And it's like, it's kind of a throwaway.

• 1:14:20Matt Farah?

  Got it, okay. Uh, Jews Control the Weather Tech, which is a very funny name.

• 1:14:28Matt Farah?

  We encourage, uh...

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Horrible names?

• 1:14:31Matt Farah?

  No, well, yes, yes, but also, um, contractions, like WeatherTech, like floor mats.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Got it. And is the guy who owns that, is he Jewish?

• 1:14:43Matt Farah?

  We don't think so, but, uh, but we also don't think that Jews control the weather. We just think that those words go together in a funny way.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Ah, got it, okay.

• 1:14:52Matt Farah?

  I, I don't...

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Clever, offensive nature.

• 1:14:55Matt Farah?

  I literally don't want to Google, "Is David McNeil Jewish?", because I don't like what will happen to my search engine after that. You know, I, like, I might, it might be like, "Uh, yes, and also, I know what to do about that," says Grok. You know what I mean?

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  I was supposed to have a meeting with him at SEMA.

• 1:15:16Matt Farah?

  With Grok?

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't even know who that is.

• 1:15:18Matt Farah?

  That's, that's Elon Musk's very racist AI bot from Twitter.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't even know who that is.

• 1:15:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  The guy, the guy that owns McNeil.

• 1:15:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  They, they...

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  I was walking to the meeting.

• 1:15:28Matt Farah?

  They own a lot of things, one might say, like some group of people that I know.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I was walking to the meeting and then got a buzz and said like, "He is busy now."

• 1:15:40Matt Farah?

  He will no longer see you. Uh, okay. Uh, "I am Jack's insatiable need for one more car." Says, "Of all the disaster details you've brought back, what was the most satisfying and/or what story meant the most?"

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  Hmm, that is a difficult one. Um, I, I think the one on the show was pretty good. I'm not just giving a shameless plug because that one, I found, I kept driving, uh, there's a baseball field in New Canaan. And every, we had to take this road every single day forever and ever and ever. And there's always this Discovery 2 sitting there, and it was literally buried in the ground. I pulled in, knocked on the door, I could see that there was a younger woman taking care of an older lady in the back. And I explained the situation, I was like, "Hey, I want to do this on a show, dah dah dah." And she wanted nothing to do with it. And so, I gave her my card, and then her sister called me, uh, you know, a couple of weeks later or whatever. And explain the situation that, you know, she was taking care of this car. This was her dream car, and so I did it all, fixed it up, gave it back to her, and the woman started like bawling and crying.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  And now we've done, we've done dozens of those. We did the one with a 96-year-old man. Did you see that one with the, with the Charger?

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  He, he was such a gentleman. It's like a different, I talk about it in the episode. It's like a different generation where after we moved the car out, and it's been sitting there for 26 years or whatever it was. We moved the car out, we're trying to get this thing running, and he was selling it to some other guy. The dude started sweeping like the very little bit of dust that was in there. He's like, oh no, we gotta like clean it up. Cause I, I was like, you rented this thing for 20 years or whatever. Like, he doesn't really owe anybody anything, went through the war or whatever, but it's just like a different generation. So to be able to do that and then finish it and then put him in the car and go for a drive. Like even if you're like Mr. Cool and you're like, you're so awesome on YouTube, like even a moment, like you kind of look off camera and like, I'm okay, like everything's fine, you know what I mean? Cause it's, it's kind of to see him look at it.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  So I've done a dozen of those, but I'd say those two cars are, those are pretty special for those, for those folks.

• 1:17:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, Mr. Hogan's Thermos says, uh, I remember years ago on the podcast, Larry was skeptical about ceramic coating because it hadn't been around long enough. Well, now it's been long. Do you still feel that way?

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  No, I, I, I want to be very clear. It wasn't that, when it comes to ceramic coating, the issue that I had then, and still to this day have, but I think it's come more in line, was the claims that were made were so outrageous that I thought and still think if we make outrageous claims, that is going to hurt the industry overall. Because people will think that if I put this magic juice on my car, I don't have to do anything. And the analogy I've done ad nauseam is if you go to the gym once a year and work out like crazy, you're going to be healthy. And that's not true. That just, we all know that, or eat one healthy meal. You have to have a regimen, you have to have a way of doing things. Does the coating help? No question, absolutely.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  But the way it was sold in the beginning when he's mentioning that was it was like, you put it on your car, never do anything again. And I was like, guys, that just doesn't make any sense. And when that ultimately fails, because what happens is what, you can put the best coating on. You can put Reflex Pro, you can put whatever, whatever you think is great on there. If you get it dirty, meaning you just sit it outside and go underneath the, you know, where the planes go or whatever, like, and all this contamination goes on it, as I mentioned before with the wax and can you put stuff on top of the coating? If you have something on top of the coating that's dirt, dust, or whatever, because it just doesn't just fly out, like coatings don't make dust and dirt not exist. And when it goes on top of the car, it will change the characteristics to whatever it is on top of it. And if it's dust, it's not going to bead because the beading is not going to happen because the dust is there. And they go, "It's not on there. This is garbage."

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  And I'm like, "It's because it's the top layer. Once you spray that off and you clean it, you're good to go." But in the beginning, when you tell people and they don't have that learning curve-

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  They don't have to do anything, yeah.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  And then they look at it and it's garbage, it's like, "We're going to be looked at as a snake oil salesman. It's going to hurt the industry as a whole." So back then, I was very cautious. And the reason why is because, you remember with that guy Dan I was working, blah, blah, blah? I was doing all these cars, like hundreds of cars a month, putting on the coatings, and I saw the behind the scenes before coatings were ever coatings. I'm like, "Man, when this hits the market, if they try to oversell this, this thing's going to be a billion dollar industry, but we got to be super careful about how we pitch it." It's like a, you know, like a weight loss drug or like a whatever, you know, you got to be real clear about that. So I was a little touchy because everybody came out like, "My thing will last 10 years." I mean, how could it possibly last 10 years? Doesn't make any sense.

• 1:20:05Matt Farah?

  How do you even know that?

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Well, here's another thing. If you have it last 10 year, a 10 year coating, PPF doesn't last for, like, they only warranty it for, you know, five years or seven years, whatever, you know, whatever one you're getting. You're going to outlast something that's this thick that I can literally-

• 1:20:17Matt Farah?

  And made of rubber.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  I can chew on it.

• 1:20:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  And yours is like, it doesn't, it's just not logical. So I was like, "Just be careful." So, no, I'm not down on coatings, but be smart about it.

• 1:20:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, Gray Hatchback says, "I have this old Civic with very chalky paint. Can it be saved?"

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. The chalky paint is just the oxidation. So at some point, the paint, the clear coat or the single stage is fighting the sun. And eventually it just gets overwhelmed and the oxidation occurs and it dries out. The best part about chalky paint, like especially a red one, like an old S10 or something, when I see chalky paint, I'm like, "Ugh." Because it's acting as a jacket. So whatever's underneath it- Is like pristine and your job is just to razor blade metaphorically razor blade that top surface off without going too deep. And you literally literally get yourself a brand new car. It's almost like protection on top of it.

• 1:21:07Matt Farah?

  Lucky you with the chuck.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Yes, you just gotta do it.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  Uh, Christian glazed ham says, although I like the effectiveness of Rain-X. Are there other perhaps better products of the same type?

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Um, so that's a loaded question, but if he means like a spray on or like a wipe on.

• 1:21:23Matt Farah?

  Like the thing that makes water drops go up the windshield?

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  Let's assume he's talking about the one that you squirt out of the little bottle, not the actual spray. You know what's interesting is pound for pound, like we were mentioning before with the with the Model T versus GT3 or whatever, pound for pound. Rain-X is is hard to beat. The downside to some people is it'll sometimes make your windshield wipers chatter. But pound for pound, it's pretty good because it doesn't cost anything, but there are coatings that go on that are really, really good. They just take a little bit more time to put on, but those sometimes cause chatters as well. Like if you were just in a pinch.

• 1:21:55Matt Farah?

  The chatter, I haven't used Rain-X in a long time because it doesn't fucking rain here. So why am I bother? But now I remember the chatter. That sucks.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that usually has to do with more with coatings, but I mean. You can't, you kind of can't compete with it. It's good. I would say Rain-X is totally fine if you want a longer term protection. But the longer term protection, it's like, dude, wash your wash your car and do it like it takes like 10 minutes to do. So.

• 1:22:17Matt Farah?

  Uh, Hoffmeister nipple clamps says, uh, 996 convertible top. I want to protect it. Scotch guard, something else. What should I do? It's in good condition now, but I want to keep it that way.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yes, there's, there's a thousand options for that, you know, 303 aerospace. Um, there's a. When they use the word Scotch guard, it's like saying, um, Teflon. It's just, it's, it's the name. So yes, anything that is a hydrophobic is going to work perfectly fine as long as it's clean. Spray it on there and read the directions. Each one is a little bit different as to how long you let it sit. Do you scrub it in? Do you not scrub it in? Can you not get it wet and so on and so forth? But it's, it's not as complicated. Also read on there.

• 1:22:58Matt Farah?

  Tape off the glass?

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. I was just gonna say you have to make sure you tape off the things. Some of them are, you know, no bueno on the paint.

• 1:23:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, do the painter glass. My shit might stain like forever.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, on the glass, it's not a big deal because you can get razor blade it, but it's like, just put tape on it and don't get too crazy with it.

• 1:23:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, this is a watch question. Haysman says, uh, my Canyon, which is, he has one of my watches was running plus four within spec. Then I didn't wear it for a week. Now it's running plus 21. What's gone wrong? Uh, that is out of spec.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  What is plus 20? What does that mean?

• 1:23:30Matt Farah?

  21 seconds a day it's gaining.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  How do you?

• 1:23:33Matt Farah?

  Because you can put a watch on a, what's called a time grafer, a very affordable tool that can check your mechanical watches, you know, within 60 seconds or so.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  It doesn't have to do with, uh, listen, I'm a rookie at this, but it doesn't have to do with how much you wind it?

• 1:23:48Matt Farah?

  Well.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Like if you wound it 100 times or just 20 times?

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  Well, possibly. So I would say this, if, if you were, if you, if you didn't wear it for a week and you didn't fully wind it.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  What's the definition of, is that 60 turns?

• 1:24:02Matt Farah?

  It's like 50, 60 turns on a Canyon.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:06Matt Farah?

  Because it's a long, it's a long power reserve. So 50, 60 turns is a full wind on a Canyon.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  And what does that normally equal? Like a week's worth of?

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  That's 68 hours of power reserve, or if you're wearing it every day indefinitely.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Matt Farah?

  But if you only wind it halfway and then start wearing it, it might not run right. So if this, if Haysman didn't wind it fully, it might not run correctly.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  And does that have the same guts as this one?

• 1:24:32Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:33Matt Farah?

  So if you just picked it up and did the shake method, like for instance, this watch, this vintage Seiko I'm wearing, does not have a winding crown. So it sits in the safe for a month, dead. To start it up, I literally put it on and do this and shake my wrist like this to get it going. With the winding rotor.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  Well, how do you get the time right then?

• 1:24:53Matt Farah?

  I set the time and then start shaking my wrist for 30 seconds and it starts to go.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:24:59Matt Farah?

  I can't get it to like the second. I just can't. So, so anyway, I do, so I'm off, I'm like off mic over here because, but, um, so yeah, that's, that's what I have to do with this watch, but, um, the other thing is it could have gotten magnetized if you put it next to anything, a magnet, any kind of magnet. Um, and so you might have to buy a demagnetizer, which is a very cheap. Tool that you can buy on eBay or wherever, Amazon even.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  I need to learn about all these things.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, I mean, it's if you have a lot of mechanical watches, hang on, I'll just, hang on, let's just. I'm not gonna plug fucking Bezos, but just to show you how.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Is it Bezos or Bezos?

• 1:25:42Matt Farah?

  I don't give a fuck. I don't owe him a correct pronunciation. Demagnetizer watch repair. We're talking about like, what looks like the same product is like thirty bucks.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Forty bucks.

• 1:25:52Matt Farah?

  Forty bucks, yeah, so you could, you could, you could get a demagnetizer.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  So you just lay the watch on that?

• 1:25:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, pretty much, and that'll kind of reset, reset the spring if it got, if it got messed up.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  I've never heard of that in my life.

• 1:26:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like, if you have a lot of watches, the forty bucks is, well, you'll, you'll use it once or twice.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Or just take magnets out of your pocket.

• 1:26:11Matt Farah?

  You could, yeah, I mean, but if, if it's a Canyon, it's, if it's one of the more recent ones, it'll still be under warranty, and you can always call notice and send it back. I'm sorry that's happening, though. Um, okay, wait, more about touchless, okay. Uh, Carrie Losilla says, uh, how do I practice using a rotary polisher aside from practicing on junkyard hoods?

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Was that Carrie Losilla? Is that what I think it's supposed to be?

• 1:26:36Matt Farah?

  Someone's username, making fun of you.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Oh, got it.

• 1:26:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. How do I practice a rotary polisher aside from practicing on junkyard hoods?

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  You can practice on anything you want, I just, you gotta be okay with the consequences.

• 1:26:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Practice on your car, I don't know, whatever.

• 1:26:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, like, you have to practice on something. Junkyard hoods is a great place to practice.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know why you'd wanna do anything else.

• 1:26:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  I mean, it's sort of like saying, I, I wanna be a doctor, but I'm not gonna work on cadavers. It's like, uh, who's gonna step up and let you, like, start carving them up?

• 1:27:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you gotta do it.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so, and, first of all, let's back up a second, like, why do you need to use a rotary? So if you're using a rotary, to me, nine times out of ten, I'm using, I'm using a gel coat, like, like your car. Because it's just so thick or so heavy or so much oxidation or whatever, and usually that is the side of a boat. Nowadays, large throw machines with particular pads and amazing compounds everywhere.

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  I just don't see the need of using a rotary anymore for 99.9 I'm not saying throw your rotary away. I'm just saying I when I break out a rotary like we're getting down.

• 1:27:37Matt Farah?

  It's for a very specific task.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  We're getting down like something is going on like we need to like really kind of grind through stuff. Or you know, maybe we stand at the car. We're just getting lazy and we're like, you know what? We need to I don't want to go from a thousand to 2000 or 3000 or 4000. I'm like at 1000 I'm like this is a rotary. We're just trying to get this car out of here kind of thing or whatever. So I would think about that, but junkyard is like the prime place.

• 1:27:58Matt Farah?

  That's the best way to do it. Uh, Misfit Cyclone, I'm looking to bring back the shine to my cyclone. The paint is dull, but also anything for the plastic urethane cladding. That's the more important one. It's a single stage paint job.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  I have a lot of so this is a little bit of an answer here. So I've done a bunch of these. That paint is an absolute nightmare. It is incredibly thin, very, very fickle and very hard to polish out perfectly. So I can I can polish out the scratches is what I mean. But I mean to finish or refine or jewel the paint. It's very difficult. And so for this particular person, this is a weird technique. A lot of times what I'll use is spraying water or I'll use a bottle like a Gatorade bottle. And I'll put some water in and then squirt in a lot of either like exfoliate, which has a lot of emulsions in it. And then use that. And the reason I'm being vague here is because every single car is different. But the idea is you want to really have a super clean pad. You want to blow out your pad a whole lot.

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  You're going to use very small side to side motions. You have to use a lot of the Kevin Mowdown technique kind of thing, which I've gone over a thousand times in the video. But he's going to have to call me if he gets into that because you can't screw that up. And you have to find it quickly because the paint is so thin. You don't get a lot of chances to figure out what you're doing.

• 1:29:12Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  So that that one's and then in terms of the trim, those I just like to use a dressing on it. And they're like, what, what, why would you do that? That's like a not a no, no, but when I use something like a frame pro or some something that's much more long term, when you do that on that flat surface, it can become very tricky to lay it down perfectly flat. You want to have a very bumpy surface like the cladding on the original cladding on the cross terrismo.

• 1:29:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Perfect. You see how like roughly.

• 1:29:40Matt Farah?

  Like grips it up.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Like if your nails are going across it. This particular one on the cyclone is very smooth. It's just like black and smooth. If you do it on that. It's not gonna look good, so I use a dressing, because it's more forgiving.

• 1:29:52Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  That's a difficult, that dude's got his hands full.

• 1:29:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, BMW 420 Hi says, "What should I look for when buying a steam cleaner for interior detailing?"

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Alright, so, I mean this all sincerely, my steam cleaner is phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal, that thing is a workhorse.

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  What do you look for? I mean, there's a thousand things that you're looking for on that one, but, um, a good warranty, because things go wrong on those quickly. I've gone through a thousand different versions. Um, it's a shameless plug, but I sincerely mean it. The one that we have, I absolutely knocked the crap out of that thing, literally. You know, we're cleaning poop all day long on that. Phenomenal machine, phenomenal machine. So check that one out. That's a shameless plug, but yeah, it's the truth.

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  I just got a steam cleaner for my carpets at home, for my like pet messes, and it's like, fucking sick.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  You're increasing the heat, which is opening up the fibers, you're not increasing the amount of water. People think, "Oh, you gotta put a lot of water down." When you put water down, whatever that mess, let's say a cat throws up, it just makes it thinner.

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  And it goes wider. So with the steam, you open up the fibers, and then if you can immediately vacuum, that's why that steam vac that I have is insane. It does, it's like going to the dry cleaners.

• 1:31:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  It's, it's great.

• 1:31:03Matt Farah?

  That's where I have to take my top eventually. Um, alright, one last one, and then we're done, and it's a lot of words, so try to follow along, okay? This is, this is a very specific detailing question from a professional detailer.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Oh boy.

• 1:31:16Matt Farah?

  Okay. "I paint corrected an old 89 Chevy 1500 for my best friend's wedding. It was two-tone red and black. The correction went smoothly, mild polish and mild pad got 95% of what we wanted out of it. The problem when, came when we went to prep it for coating. We used a 50/50 ISA distilled water wipe, ISA?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  ISO.

• 1:31:43Matt Farah?

  ISA?

• 1:31:44Speaker 01

  Isopropyl alcohol.

• 1:31:45Matt Farah?

  ISO slash distilled water wipe down and instantly caused the black paint to haze over and oxidize, completely undoing what we just spent four days doing. We ended up having to use Rupee's Uno to get around having to wipe it down." First, and it turned out great, but I've never had paint react this way. Is the culprit old GM paint, or is there some, is this literally what we're just talking about, the Cyclone? Is this something I'm not thinking of? The pads and compound were brand new, the pre-correction prep was done properly, and we even tried further diluting the liquid and no effect.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot going on here. I mean, there's 50 things that could be going wrong. But the first thing that I was thinking about is when he was doing the ISO, was the temperature, what's the temperature of the paint? Because that could really flash quick and shock the paint. The second thing could be, I don't know what polish he was using, maybe it was more of a glazy kind of thing, where when you took the isopropyl alcohol, it cleaned everything off, and that's really what the surface looked like. You're just looking at the real surface that wasn't masked. I have no idea. So I think, I think there's a couple of things that would go on. What I'm unsure about is 89 is like, right around the time when it was either single-stage, it's likely clear coat, but I don't know. It sounds like it's not clear coat.

• 1:33:03Matt Farah?

  Wait, the Cyclone was 91 to 94.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  Okay, this was an 89.

• 1:33:07Matt Farah?

  89, it said.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, I mean, it's a different, it's a different truck, so.

• 1:33:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  It's right in that where it's not, it's not like a 60s, or you're like, oh, it's clearly, so it's kind of like in a funky area. So he might be, he might be battling, which I believe he probably is, single-stage paint, sort of reacting to the temperature and reacting to putting that much pressure and, I, this is a question that I would love to have Kevin Brown on and then look at it, and then, because there's 50 different ways, there's no way for me to tell, but I.

• 1:33:38Matt Farah?

  Nothing, no one obvious thing.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  No, I would say, I would say it this way, Kevin, maybe not Kevin, because he's a freak of nature, but like, let's say, me, if I was doing it, I'd probably be running into the same issues. It's not like, dude, you screwed it up, you should have done this and that. I like, I would probably have done the same thing, I'm like, what is going on here? And then had to have diagnosed backwards.

• 1:33:56Matt Farah?

  Got it.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  So I don't want to feel like I'm not helping him, but it's like. It's like going to the doctor and be like, "I have a headache. Am I gonna die?" It's like, "I have no idea. We gotta do 10,000 tests." So, he's in a legitimate, difficult situation. Call me off air, so I can... I need to see pictures.

• 1:34:11Matt Farah?

  Um, okay, so...

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  Look at you controlling everything.

• 1:34:15Matt Farah?

  I am. I'm a master of my domain. Plug away. Let's end the show. Plug away.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  AmoNYC.com, you know, all the products in the world. I love the support, and then...

• 1:34:26Matt Farah?

  You can buy them in person.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  You can buy them in person here?

• 1:34:28Matt Farah?

  Here, at West Side Collector Car Storage, both of our locations, Playa Vista and South Bay. Only place in California you can walk in and walk out with Amo products.

• 1:34:37Speaker 01

  That's actually the only place in the United States. You can do it in Australia, but only place in the United States you can do that.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  AmoNYC.com, I said that, Instagram, all that. If you can go on, if you're listening to this and you're a fan and you want to help, if you can go on HBO Max or Discovery Plus and give the television show a watch, so I can get some more views or clicks.

• 1:34:57Matt Farah?

  Or at the very least on YouTube.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  Or YouTube or whatever.

• 1:35:00Matt Farah?

  You can't get to either of those. The Discovery Channel, YouTube, Discovery Plus YouTube channel.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Every click or whatever counts.

• 1:35:05Matt Farah?

  I watched it there yesterday.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  So, how many views did it have, by the way? Do you remember?

• 1:35:10Matt Farah?

  I didn't look, I'm sorry.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  I don't know if it was like one or like a million. I haven't...

• 1:35:14Matt Farah?

  No, I didn't look, I'm sorry.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I should take a look at that. But, so that, and then tomorrow, I'm with your buddy, Adam Carolla.

• 1:35:22Matt Farah?

  My old co-host.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm gonna be doing, is it the BRE 510 or the 510 BRE? I can't remember. Do you know which way?

• 1:35:29Matt Farah?

  Well, I think the way Adam says it is BRE 510. It's an old race car.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Fiberglass, I would imagine. Yeah, so Kevin and I are gonna polish it up, because he's driving it down to Monterey. So, that's what we're doing. So, check that out on his show. But yeah, there's my plugs.

• 1:35:43Matt Farah?

  All right, great. Thank you, everybody, for listening and watching today. Thank you to our patrons, as always, for such fabulous questions. I apologize one more time that this one wasn't done live, but I'm sure you understand. Zach will be back in studio next week.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  And the studio channel, I forgot, we have behind the scenes of you and I

• 1:36:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, where's that going?

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  That's gonna go on the studio, so it's gonna go on my second YouTube channel.

• 1:36:05Matt Farah?

  The B-side.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, where it's just like behind the scenes and whatever.

• 1:36:09Matt Farah?

  Channel of me and Larry going up PCH in the Manx.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  And this and Adam and whatever.

• 1:36:14Matt Farah?

  All them shits.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:15Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, I'm going to Car Week, um, and so these episodes are gonna air for everybody else that's not a patron while we're at Car Week. And then we'll have our post Car Week wrap up after that, as well as like all the stuff that I've not talked about because Zach's been gone. Like the Vanquish and the M5 touring and like all this other, all this other stuff. Um, yeah, thanks everybody. Have a great, uh, rest of your week and we'll see you next time. Bye.