Speed Camera Experiment; Lotus Emira Revisit; Taycan Fears

Matt Farah discusses the results of a new speed camera experiment in California; Zack Klapman spent the week in the new Lotus Emira; and Hanna is afraid to drive the Porsche Taycan. Patreon questions include: How crazy are you about car cleanliness? Bigger flop: Slate truck or Jaguar Type 01? Are we OCD about cars we've driven or owned? What will Doug's Ford GT go for? How to honeymoon at the Nurburgring The TST business decision process Will "old money" style come back to cars? Setting the perfect driving position: legs or arms first? Which cars our animals would drive Reality TV we'd be good at Is this bad: downsizing from a GR Corolla to a Macan Best C6 Corvette mods Will Michelin PS4s work in the cold And more! Recorded October 14, 2026 Show Notes Ridge One thing to pack, five ways to power! Head to https://ridge.com/tire for Ridge’s Friends & Family Sale, where you can buy two Ridge Power Banks and get a third FREE. Mudflap Who is your fuel savings card really working for? With Mudflap, that answer's easy. Keep more of every dollar you earn, because Mudflap has your back. Sign up at https://Muddy.com/tire and get $100 in free fuel credit after approval. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/tire and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Casper Right now, save up to 25% on mattresses and up to 30% on everything else when you go to https://Casper.com CHAPTERS: 00:00 Show starts Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:42Matt Farah?

  which means if you spend 1,500 bucks on tires, you're gonna save 300 just because you're an Avance member. It's only $99 a year to join and they send you a $70 gift card to Griot's Garage when you sign up. So that's only 29 bucks a year. It basically pays for itself. Use code T S T at avance.com slash T S T and sign up today. Again, avance.com slash T S T. Code T S T, sign up today. All right, folks, on this episode of the pod, Zach and I review the Lotus Amira, which we drove two years ago, but got to have another go again with new context.

• 1:23Matt Farah?

  We talk about Malibu's sort of pseudo failed speed camera pilot program. My thoughts on fake gated shifters and my wife is afraid of our Taycan. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. You know what Willow Springs is doing is pretty cool. On the day after Reimagined, on the 18th, they're having a Members Dirtfish Day.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:49Matt Farah?

  So if you're a member, they're gonna have a full, it's a full day's school effectively that you could just come do for free.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Brad, you gonna do it?

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I mean, I've done it. It's like, I want to, but I, I'm leaving for 10 days on and I just, baby, I'm just going to the track again, all day, all day.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  It also won't be like a formal school. It'll be a taste and you've done that enough.

• 2:17Matt Farah?

  I've done it enough. Like, I love sliding the car around, I think, but I was gonna, I was gonna maybe like when we're up there on Saturday, be like, hey, let me stay till, let me stay till four and test out the track.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Well, they're doing, aren't they doing rides?

• 2:30Matt Farah?

  I think they're doing rides, yeah, but they're letting people, members drive.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, maybe they'll let you pop in.

• 2:38Matt Farah?

  Real live?

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:39Matt Farah?

  Ya existe? What's happening? How is everybody in, in this era of?

• 2:49Matt Farah?

  Weimar Germany.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Getting your accent ready for the inevitable change in our school system?

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Till we get Hegseth, we all, till we all get, anyway, hi. Let's talk about nice things. What's going on? Nice things. Let's see. Okay, speaking of living in fear, a funny thing has happened since we got our Porsche Taycan back from the body shop. My wife is afraid to drive it because it's because of how, you know, how long it was out from a small incident and how much it costs to fix. And, you know, I'm, I'm like, you just, just do it. You just, just, you don't do it. And by the third or fourth time you get in the car, it'll just be a car again. Like, remember, it's insured.

• 3:40Matt Farah?

  Like, we didn't pay for this. Like, it's just, it's insured and it's still insured. Like, nothing has changed other than it's like back to where it was, you know, in July, like, and she's like, I know, I think it'll probably be fine, but, and I've, I've had, I kind of have had that, but every time I've gotten, you get a car for the, get it back from the shop for the first time, it's been painted or it's got your new wheels on it and you're like, you know, you're, remember like I got the Fox body back after like however long and I got it from the paint shop from RDB. Like, let's go to the canyons and they had gravelled the road and I just gravel cannoned my own car on like day one. And it's like, well, sometimes that's good for you.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Right. She has to get over that step.

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  But right now, it's like, it's the opposite of when you're a kid and you get new shoes and you think you're faster. You know, she's like, oh, I'm slower, I'm compromised. I don't know. I get that. Like, you're getting in a car that was damaged. And is it gonna feel and turn and stop exactly the way it should? And it should.

• 4:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's not why she's afraid. She's not afraid of it, of it not have been being fixed correctly. No, no, no. She's afraid that it's like, that it's like precious.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  What? Oh, why? Okay. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, she can have whatever feelings she wants. But like, it's exactly the same as it was before.

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  I know. But because it was such an ordeal to get it back to that, it just, to her, seems a little more precious.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you wanna park it and get it daily?

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  Also, I think she's really over having a car with chrome lift wheels.

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  I think she's really like, I think that's why, that's actually why she likes the Delica so much. Cause it's got like meaty off-road tires. Like, you just bump the fucking curb. Who cares? You know, it's not like she's a bad driver, but the consequences of curbing this wheel are very high.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:33Matt Farah?

  Like, the littlest tap of a curb.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  You notice.

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  Fucking two Gs on this wheel.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Like, parallel parking my car or any time, any sports car, like, you have to, I take the pause to aim the mirror down if it doesn't do it automatically. Cause I don't want to curb the wheel because it's costly and it feels terrible. If it's a press car, I really, you know, another reason to not do it, but it does take that extra step and it's kind of a pain in the ass.

• 5:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So anyway.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  So put some meaty fitment on it. Can you put like 16s?

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  There's a guy who has the same wheels that I have on my Taycan, but in 18s with meaty ass tires and it looks fucking sick, really sick, but his range is not good.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, how bad is it though?

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, it affects, it would, it would, it probably not, he said, I think he said it knocks his range like 15%. It's a lot.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  How often are you running it down to?

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  Long enough, my, long enough. My car's, my car doesn't have like performance battery plus. So there's, there, you know, if I have to go to like.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  San Diego and back?

• 6:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, it's, when you've got, when you've got 220 instead of 300, you kind of got less to play with.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  You know, I, the tires I have on already probably knock a couple of points.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  I bet if you did.

• 6:58Matt Farah?

  15 miles off the range with the tires I had with pilots. I, you know, we got it back from the body shop with the stock wheels on it. Did you see it with the stock wheels on it? It looks nice, actually. With the white fender arches, that helps a lot with the, even with the stock wheels.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  That's the best change.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure. The stock wheels are good from far and bad from close. Cause you, from far, you can't see that they're like blacked out aero disc faces. They look like they're GT3 wheels. Up close, you're like, oh, that's fake actually. So, but when I, when I, they have like 2024 Falcon all seasons on them, the stock wheels. Took them off, put the HREs back on it now. As soon as I drove out of the driveway, I could hear the stickiness of the Michelin Pilot Sports on the road.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Picking stuff up.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Compared to the, these things haven't been on a car in, in two and a half months. And they, I put them on and it's just, it's like, I can hear the like, it's just like, oh man, that's all miles right there.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Oh, how much does the stickier rubber affect your range versus having an 18 inch wheel?

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  Well, I could say the range went down from like 230 to 215 with these wheels.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  That's pretty small.

• 8:21Matt Farah?

  And I don't, I don't know how much of that is necessarily the rubber itself. And how much of that is the fact that they are like 20 mil wider, front and rear?

• 8:33Speaker 01

  So what if you went 18 inch wheel, 155 width? You know, like you put on ice tires.

• 8:41Matt Farah?

  I bet it would.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  You know, you use something like that.

• 8:43Matt Farah?

  An ice racing concept in a Taycan wagon would be sick, actually. That would be like.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Winter rally car.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, that would be, should I enter it in the ice race?

• 8:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  It's, it's made, the walls are ice and I'll eat, how many cars have we watched get damaged? And like, you just got done fixing. Now, driving around town, sure, the world is a world, you know, what happens, what happens. But like, no. I think, I think she would divorce you.

• 9:13Matt Farah?

  I don't think, I don't think you could file an insurance claim if you hit an ice wall on video from like 100 angles.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  Right, yeah. That's, that, you'd need everyone to delete their footage.

• 9:23Matt Farah?

  You just, it would be so, it would be easily searchable in real time in court by like hashtag Matt Farah fucking sucks at driving and crashed his Taycan into the ice.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  You grab the mic from the MC, you're like, can everyone delete the clip of me, please? Thank you, thank you, thank you. I really, really, really need this, this.

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  What, you know what I really wanna drive at the ice race next year? Did I show you the photo that our friend Sam B. sent me? He has a Vespa with a fucking sidecar on it.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  With a shaft that's connected. It's two, two-wheel drive, like a Yural. And I was like, dude, can we put, can we put spikes on that thing and like livery it up? And I can be team Vespa in the ice race on it? And, and he was like, that's actually pretty fucking funny.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, why not?

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  The only holdback is it's at his Massachusetts place. It's not at his Montana place.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  I don't think that will hold him back. What are you?

• 10:15Matt Farah?

  I don't think so. We had to poke him about it again at Willow on Saturday.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Does he need a shipping sponsorship? Is that?

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't think so.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. You gotta spike all the tires, otherwise you're gonna do a wheelie, you know?

• 10:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  You gotta be careful with that. I think.

• 10:31Matt Farah?

  It's real cool though. Would you ride in the sidecar?

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  Someone has to ride in the sidecar.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  It's mostly left turns and the sidecar's on the right.

• 10:43Matt Farah?

  That is correct.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  So closer to wall.

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  Sure. Closer to some walls, further from others.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  I also wasn't even sure if I want to go to the ice race this year. So I would, I would say maybe not. No, I would do it.

• 10:56Matt Farah?

  If you look, if there's a, if there's a spiked tire, two wheel drive Vespa in it.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:00Matt Farah?

  I'm fucking so down.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:03Matt Farah?

  So down. Um, so anyway, that's.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  No suspension on that sidecar, is there?

• 11:09Matt Farah?

  I'm sure there's some.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  I'm not sure.

• 11:12Matt Farah?

  Look like a nice sidecar. It was, I mean, it was pretty fucking sweet.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Did he have it built or is this a real thing?

• 11:19Matt Farah?

  No, I think it comes, I think it's a, it looked like a, let's see, is there a Vespa branded? Vespasidecar.com? Try that one.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Texas Sidecars.com?

• 11:29Matt Farah?

  I don't know. It looked nicer than that.

• 11:33Matt Farah?

  I don't have my.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  I will, I will have to reserve judgment.

• 11:35Matt Farah?

  It looked nicer than that. That is a very puny looking sidecar. This one, what is it? Whatever's happened there.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Public ed.

• 11:41Matt Farah?

  This, it looked much doper than that.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  All right. I just want to make sure it's not just solid axle.

• 11:47Matt Farah?

  Spy, for your spy.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 11:49Matt Farah?

  For sure. Must be suspended. Um, so anyway, Hannah's, Hannah's a little scared of the Taycan and I think event in December, it'll be like two years with this car. I really like it. I would like to keep it again, but we got to find a tow vehicle. So whatever, whatever we do find, Hannah has to approve it because she'll, it'll probably be her car and it's got to have a meaty sidewall. Which if it's a Cayenne, you get the 19s.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:16Matt Farah?

  That's got a good sidewall on it. Yeah. So that's not like a problem.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  And then it's hybrids. You don't have to worry about range.

• 12:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, yeah, don't care. It would be, it would be electric most of the time. So, uh, you want to talk about the Amira that you've been driving? We, it's a Redux. It's been what? Two years, three years since we drove the V6 Amira? And it's like an old car now and you leave revisited. Folks, support is coming in today from Ridge. You know Ridge. We've talked about Ridge before. They make those super cool wallets. But now they're here with the Ridge Power Bank. They want to make your life a little easier this year by giving you a gift that you can give to someone you love for free. Yep. You heard that right. Because from October 8th through November 5th,

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• 17:23Speaker 01

  It is an old car now.

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  Great color.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Taking enough pictures. The color, oh my God, this is what like.

• 17:29Matt Farah?

  I put you on the spot. I didn't say we're going to talk about this on the show today. So you didn't.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  No, we did. Um, this is like what I'd want my car to look like if I could afford the full respray. Like this is such an amazing green. People, you've gotten so many compliments. It's very emerald. You know, further from, further emerald than like the Boston green.

• 17:49Matt Farah?

  If you want a car that people will compliment the color almost universally, but that doesn't come off as mega douchey. Emerald green is a good place to start.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:00Matt Farah?

  People are generally into it.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  We all watched Wizard of Oz. I think everyone's like, it goes back to childhood. You're like, I don't know why. I just like that color.

• 18:09Matt Farah?

  It's like Ireland, Lucky, uh, Lucky Charms, ah, rainbow, ah, elves. Yeah. Yeah. It's all, it's all, all good vibes.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:15Matt Farah?

  There's not a lot of negativity associated with this color.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Right. It's not, it's not race car aggressive. Yeah. It's, it's green.

• 18:22Matt Farah?

  Someone's going to tell me this is like the color of fucking some war criminals.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Well, it's color of money. I mean, you should look at it that way.

• 18:28Matt Farah?

  Not really.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  It's the color of the, the $100 print on the hundred dollar bill. You know, the one that shimmers when you turn it? The one that proves that it's real?

• 18:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  But anyway, Lotus Amira, uh, supercharged V6, manual transmission, 400 horsepower. This car does almost everything so well for a exciting sports car, you know, not supercar, but like for a good sports car. The ride is excellent.

• 18:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Like taking this, I took this the same route basically that we took the 911T on the 405. 911T, I had to lean my seat back a lot because the bounce, the bumps on the 405 on that section between here and Roscoe, like were literally painful.

• 19:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Not so in this thing. Just it, we know like it's, this is much softer. It totally glides over stuff. It also still has a really great turning radius. It is a mid-engine car. So there's not, there's room up front, but they use it well. Car playing it, pretty reliable. Uh, again, better than Volvo. Not to beat on Volvo every week, but I have this quarter.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  You know, trunk's pretty, pretty big. It does heat up.

• 19:37Matt Farah?

  It gets hot and then it smells like glue.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  It smells like it's burning off whatever it's made from.

• 19:42Matt Farah?

  Every Amira I've ever driven has, has had that. In fact, every Emira as well. This is, this is a long-term Lotus staple.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  This is the Volkswagen crayon issue.

• 19:51Matt Farah?

  The trunk scent. Yeah, yeah. Pretty standard. Don't put your groceries back there.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  I also just noticed-

• 19:56Matt Farah?

  There's a shelf behind your seat for the groceries, right?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  There is a shelf. So you can, you can put a couple of things behind there because the trunk says, uh, I think the weight limit is a hundred kilograms or pounds in the back. Like-

• 20:09Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Either way, that's a lot.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  It's a lot because there's not-

• 20:11Matt Farah?

  A hundred pounds of luggage is a lot of luggage.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  You'd have to have a very dense suitcase. Cause I don't think you can get two carry-ons in there.

• 20:18Matt Farah?

  My full giant Sparco racing bag, fully loaded with all my gear, like, travel for a week, that's like thirty-two pounds.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Are you not moving gold bullion?

• 20:31Matt Farah?

  It's a bad-

• 20:31Speaker 01

  I thought you were a player.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  Right. It's a bad bullion smuggler's car.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:36Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Or brick smuggling, more likely with this price point.

• 20:40Matt Farah?

  That's way more, that basically just means you can't put humans in there. There's no way you're fitting a hundred pounds of shit in the trunk of a Lotus.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Uh, very true.

• 20:47Matt Farah?

  No fucking way.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  There we go. Um, I think it's a stunning looking car. The design just, pretty much timeless for me. Like, I think we had one of these a few years ago. And when you pulled up at dinner once, and I literally, cause it was dark, I was like, oh, McLaren. And then I went, oh no, it's Matt in the Amira that I know that we have right now.

• 21:05Matt Farah?

  And it looks, it looks a lot like an Artura from a lot of angles.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  It does.

• 21:10Matt Farah?

  It's, it's, it's, they have the same kind of features. If you were describing this or an Artura to a police sketch artist, you would just effectively be describing the same car.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:21Matt Farah?

  Which I don't, they're both very pretty. I don't, I don't think, I think the front end of the Lotus is actually maybe a little prettier than the front end of the McLaren. And, and I think the rear end of the McLaren is better, but the rear of the McLaren also doesn't have a trunk. Like, I think their looks are just the result of the trunk being in the back of one and the front of the other.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you're right. And the Artura is one of the few new McLarens that has the intake here above that rear wheel. Like, right behind the door.

• 21:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Like, the 720 doesn't have it, um, cause it, the intake's on the roof.

• 21:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Uh, but good call on the Artura. They're like different headlights, basically.

• 22:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  That's kinda it. Um, quick enough for sure. Like, four hundred horsepower is really nice. I love the power band. I love the NA engine. And the shifter feels really good. And I don't know if they've changed the bushings versus the one we had a few years ago, but it does, the shifter doesn't seem to move, uh, when downshifting as much as it used to.

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, it doesn't like wiggle?

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does not wiggle. Remember it used to like, the gate would kinda move around?

• 22:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  A little bit. Doesn't seem to do that as much.

• 22:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's good.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  It's still, I still have trouble rev matching this car. It's like, the throttle response seems to vary depending on what RPM you begin at. You know what I mean? Like, one inch, one inch of pressure on the gas-

• 22:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Gets it to six grand, but the next moment it'll only get it to fifty-eight or fifty-two or whatever. So that's a little bit tough. And I don't know if that's something to do with like, belt momentum surging the supercharger, surging the engine, or what?

• 22:53Matt Farah?

  I find the, the best way is just that slow deliberate blip in this. Whereas in the Porsche, it's a little snappier.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:02Matt Farah?

  You know, this, it's like, boom.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  It's actually, uh, it's kinda like how I drive the Manx. The Manx has a slow deliberate blip as well.

• 23:13Matt Farah?

  But yeah, other cars, it's a, it's a, it's a quick jab.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:16Matt Farah?

  Your car probably, right?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  My car's a pretty quick jab.

• 23:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Although you have to move the shifter slower, but the engine responds really quick.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  Spider, super quick jab.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 23:25Matt Farah?

  This, boom.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  C7's quick jab. Yeah, stuff like that works. Yeah, this, you just kind of, you drive this at like eight and a half tenths, I think, and it's one of the best cars ever.

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  If you crank it to nine point nine, I don't know. Like, when you, when you drove the Emira-

• 23:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  At all the track days.

• 23:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Did that, had that been turned up in a way where it worked really well on the track or still within like-

• 23:49Matt Farah?

  Did you put this in its sportiest mode?

• 23:52Speaker 01

  Yes, I did.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  You still have to do the slow deliberate blip always, but I find that you do get used to it after a few days. And it's, if you're not getting in and out of other cars and only driving this car, then it's kinda fine. If you're driving like seven different cars, it'll be weird every time.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 24:14Matt Farah?

  But I did get used to it, both in this and in the cars before it. And it didn't like, it wasn't problematic on the track. It's, it's the one place where I would be like, this is behind Porsche. Although if they've shift, fixed the shifter bushing, they've gotten halfway back there.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  I mean, it's also, it doesn't have a frunk, which the Cayman or, you know, Boxer did or do. They don't sell them anymore, so that's an advantage Lotus. I also think the seats in this car. The first day I got in, I went, this is a really well-formed seat. This is pretty comfortable. But I've spent now six days in it, driving it, you know, quite a lot. I might be over the mileage limit now that I say that out loud. Or sure, very close. Um, it,

• 25:02Speaker 01

  the seat, the seat bottom doesn't get low enough. We both experienced this yesterday together. The only way to get the seat lower is the front will drop down, but like the back of it, it's lowest height, like if you drop the front all the way down to its lowest setting, you actually have sort of a ramp leaning down forward. So it's not great. And then the other thing about it is that the side bolsters don't actually press in enough to help lift the rib cage or hold you at all. So I noticed that the longer I sat in it after like an hour, the lumbar, even when it's all the way retracted, is still kind of prominent. And I was feeling that mechanism more and more through the seat. So, I mean, Porsche's eighteen ways are definitely a better seat than this.

• 25:41Matt Farah?

  They cost money.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  They cost a lot of money.

• 25:44Matt Farah?

  Like twenty-five hundred dollars.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know, even the four-way, like, I'd have to spend time in them back to back. And there's pros and cons, but like, I found myself, but toward the end of the week, wanting to take a different car just because I, like, we drove to Huntington back.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  So that was about two hours, you know, in the car total. I was like, I don't know if I wanna get back into this right now.

• 26:03Matt Farah?

  We didn't, I don't think you minded it so much, or, I mean, I didn't either in England when we lived out of it for a week.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  True.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  I mean, we only had one really long drive day. I don't think we ever drove more than an hour or two a day-

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:18Matt Farah?

  Any other day, except the one day we drove to the factory, which was like five hours or something.

• 26:24Matt Farah?

  I don't like hate the seats, but they're not as, they're not as good as some other cars. But I still think this is a really like great, charming car. Like, it's just, if you're, you know, there's so few, um,

• 26:40Matt Farah?

  good choices. You can't, not everybody wants or should have like a fucking Cayman. And as a road car, um, these are like, they're just so easy to live with.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  You just, you just get it and it's your car. Doesn't need to be a special weekend car that's only for, uh, you know, special occasions. You just use it as a car. And it's, it's good at being a car as, as much as it is good at being a, a track car or a canyon car. Just south of that limit, really, I guess. But without having a whole bunch of computers and, and settings and stuff in the way. It just has, like, I think, normal sport track and traction on, traction off.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 27:25Matt Farah?

  Like, that's pretty much it. And, and like, everything else has a lot of computers in the way. And so it should be pretty celebrated when something doesn't.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  It feels very honest and there's just, there's not a lot of like, uh, translation happening between the road and you or vice versa. It's, this is what we like in sports cars. It's not oversprung. It's not too heavy. It's not too fast, where it feels like you can only drive with forty percent of the pedal most of the time.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Front visibility's good. Like, this is a good, honest sports car. And I think for most people, this is kinda what we would want.

• 28:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's right, it's same kind of, it lives in the same universe as the Nismo Z manual. Which is like, yo, they're, they're making the thing.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  Like, the thing that everyone is like, why does nobody make the thing? Like, here's the thing, like, they're making, come on, come and get it.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the, and the Cayman and Boxer, before they got phased out, like, started getting really expensive. And now, the, the entry level thing, Porsche is the nine eleven T, which is a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And this is still, I'll look it up, it's like a hundred and six or whatever. Like, it's a well-priced, great thing.

• 28:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  And it's something that we all clamor for. So, as has happened every time that a company is, is told to bring a wagon here or something else, like, you need to buy the thing to support the thing.

• 28:51Matt Farah?

  I see it as a, as a more, a prettier and more interesting alternative to a C8 Corvette.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:59Matt Farah?

  At this point.

• 29:02Matt Farah?

  Like, you know, if you, if, if you've got that kind of budget and you'd rather have a manual transmission car, this has about the same kind of speed as a C8. It's a little less power, but it's also less weight. It's, it's, it's the same sort of interior dimensions. You know, if you're the same size, you'll, you'll fit about the same in, in the two cars.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Plus, it has like a parcel shelf behind you, which the Cora doesn't.

• 29:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  These starts, the V6 one now starts at 112. So it's more expensive than a C8 Corvette, but all the points you said are true.

• 29:36Matt Farah?

  It's more expensive than a, like a base one, but if you're comparing it to like a Grand Sport, there's lots of crossover.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, a Grand Sport would smoke this around a racetrack, but if you are not going to a track, if you are not focused on those things, you should admit that to yourself and like, take a look at this. I met a guy at the Galpin. He was like, I'm thinking of buying one. He's, what do you think about it? I was like, what are you, what kind of driving do you do? And he's like, you know, weekend canyon stuff like, and this is probably a great car for you. You know, if you're not going for record times at Buttonwillow.

• 30:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I mean, anything south of like full on time attack, it's nice on a racetrack too. I've, I've driven these on racetracks before and they're excellent. They're really fun, even if you're not an advanced driver. So anyway, sweet.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  It's very sweet.

• 30:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  It's a, the last thing I'll say is it, it now, it's now reminding me of the first gen M2, if it was mid-engine, you know, like it moved around a bit, fast enough, but not crazy and kind of what we all say we want. So this is the car that, that you folks like.

• 30:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, buy them.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Buy them and they'll have more service here and then it'll be easier to own them.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And if you go for a drive and then you come to a stop and you open the trunk, you can get a little high.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  That's free. That comes with it.

• 30:50Matt Farah?

  Comes with it. Comes standard even.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  It's like when you get a new exhaust, you know, and you smell something burning off of it. That's what it smells like.

• 30:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe like, I've never seen one, if someone, if someone out there has one with like 50,000 miles on it, let us know at what point, if ever, that smell stops.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  That's a good question.

• 31:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Cause we only have gotten to drive like, you know, sub 5,000 mile, like newish cars. Never driven a high mile once. So Paul, didn't Paul and Todd get one? Doesn't one of them have one? You might have to ask them. I don't know how many miles are on it, but yeah.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  When I was living with you, I had that Miata and I ran over like a plastic tarp on the highway once and it melted and glued itself to my exhaust. And I stupidly drove it continually after that because I had to.

• 31:39Matt Farah?

  Fuck it.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  And it smelled like plastic for like six months. And I'm sure I lost so many brain cells that I didn't have to spare, but then it, but it didn't eventually go away.

• 31:49Matt Farah?

  The, a plastic bag stuck to the exhaust of my Countach once and I pulled over right away and it was still a disgusting mess to get it off.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:00Matt Farah?

  It took like an hour.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Mine was just, I, I mean, I was on the highway going 80 and I got to work and I looked under there and I just saw what looked like melted candle wax. Like it had melted and then dripped a little and just solidified and like, okay, well, that's just where that is now. I could have chiseled it off in hindsight, but hey, here we are.

• 32:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 32:21Matt Farah?

  The, should we talk about speed cameras or fake gated shifters?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Let's do the speed cameras.

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• 37:22Matt Farah?

  deserve. So this is a, basically this is a news story from a, like a week ago about the Malibu did a pilot program to put speed cameras on PCH and as sort of a response to the fact that there have been an increased number of pedestrian deaths and or people who have died being hit by being in or around parked cars that were crashed into. It's, it's been a kind of a shit show.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  And if you haven't been there on, if you're heading like south on PCH, there's a lot of parked cars very, very close to the lane. I mean, it's as if you were driving down a pedestrian street, like a neighborhood street, but everyone's going 45 to 60 miles per hour.

• 38:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And people are stopping to parallel park. They're opening their doors, loading up their surfboards and their bikes and all kinds of stuff. And, and, and, and so anyway, the city has installed these, these cameras and the, they recorded as a pilot program just to see if, if using cameras as a, a measure of enforcement to slow people down, it would be effective. And obviously, you know, neither I nor probably most people listening to this program like speed cameras. And, but the fact is if you, if you go to

• 38:59Matt Farah?

  Europe and places like that, they, they are fairly effective, right? You, you know, you, if you drive on highways, in many highways in Europe that aren't the autobahn, or even that are sections of the autobahn, you know, people are pretty obedient on the highway.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. England especially. They have lots of cameras and everybody knows it.

• 39:19Matt Farah?

  Well, and, and like I drove in the Netherlands, I got busted by an average speed camera, which is like, that's, I, I don't know if that'll fly in America, but.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  You'd have to teach us what averages are first.

• 39:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we can't fucking do math, dude. So interestingly, they, they put these cameras up and, and over a short period of time, which I think was 10 days, they had four camera locations, nine days, excuse me, and they recorded 100,000 speed camera speeding violations. Now, a speeding violation means over 10 miles an hour over in this case. And so, you know, normally, this is, this is funny for a couple of reasons. One, obviously, the, it seems at first glance like the, the, the speed limits are just artificially low for the speeds

• 40:13Matt Farah?

  that people drive on the road. And, and the way they set these speed limits and set these violations is not related to how people actually drive.

• 40:23Matt Farah?

  And it's, it's, that's not how we set speed limits typically in this country, which is like an 85th percentile thing. But I was out there in Malibu and I saw where they have the cameras, at least a couple of these locations, I drove by them. And, and there's two really distinct areas, like one is clearly a revenue generation. One is like, is, is, it's not, well, I don't want to say clearly, because it's, it's an area where there's long visibility and a car doing 55 or 65 miles an hour there would not feel like speeding, particularly any

• 41:06Matt Farah?

  modern, you know, car. It would just, you look at that road, it's, it's the shape, size, width, and if you go back up to the, to the map, and I'm talking about the more, the more western one, Latigo Canyon and PCH and that one, that's, that's pretty open, right? Long visibility there, but people are making a left out of Latigo Canyon, which is an unprotected left turn. There have been a lot of accidents there. And so they're trying to, rather than installing a signal or a circle, they're trying to slow people down to make it safer

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  to make a left. I don't think it's surprising that the other traffic is going the speed it's going to go there. And this is just a, a measure that is not commensurate with what would be the traffic speed in this section of road. And I really think that a traffic signal that was triggered maybe by a, a loop when someone gets to the bottom of Latigo, you know, there, when they get to the bottom of Latigo, there could be a right turn lane and a, and a left turn lane. You pull into the left turn lane, it activates the light. It didn't, you know, it's, it's a pretty low traffic road, but that would be a good

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  way to do it. Or, God forbid, a roundabout where, which was, is the easiest way to solve an unprotected left turn, in my opinion, which was just voted down. A couple of roundabouts were just voted down by Malibu. So that one, I think is, that one's probably racking them up. But in a way that I don't think lowered speed limit there will solve safety and, and that type of enforcement. The other one is the, the Tuna Canyon Carbon Canyon one, which I didn't, I didn't realize they've got those as separate locations, but to me, to me, as you're driving, they're like a quarter mile apart. It really feels like that's one location.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  That is a bunch of houses and businesses and stuff like that. People really are parallel parking there. And that's where a lot of like pedestrians are getting hit. It's where a lot of people go to the beach, like they go to surf there, and they just parallel parked on the road and go to surf. And absent literally widening the entire road there, it is, it's, and there's also at the bottom of Tuna Canyon Road is another unprotected left turn, if you're turning out of, on, out of Tuna Canyon and PCH. So in that one, I actually think

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  heavy enforcement paired with artificial, excuse me, not artificial, with traffic calming measures such as textured pavement, trees, center median, and bots dots, like stuff like that, like for that, like mile or two of road, to lower the speed limit to 35 there and have it heavily enforced and also, that would actually be good. Like, that would not impede people's travel times by hardly anything and could genuinely like save many pedestrians' lives. Like when the road was, look, as they're showing this, this photo in Street View,

• 44:32Matt Farah?

  it's when there was heavy enforcement for the, for the thing. And it was a 25 mile an hour speed limit, super enforced all the way to Malibu. I timed it, it was only like two minutes longer than driving it at normal speeds. Like, I hate to like be that guy because I like going quick too. But like it, the argument of it'll take too much, it like it really doesn't add that much. So.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Because it was a pretty short section where you will have been there, like after the fires, they, they chopped this to 25 miles per hour.

• 45:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  There were lots of CHP there writing tickets all the time. And then they've kind of relaxed that enforcement a bit. Patreon actually asked about this, but I think, I think the signs are still up.

• 45:11Matt Farah?

  This past Sunday.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  It's only a few miles, right? It's like, it's not that long a section.

• 45:16Matt Farah?

  It's like six miles.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  So yeah, if you do that math of like 15 mile an hour difference, it just doesn't take you that much longer.

• 45:21Matt Farah?

  It doesn't.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  But it's very psychological.

• 45:23Matt Farah?

  And the way the lights are timed, if you drive actually faster, you just end up sitting at more lights.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  You're not likely to gain much time that way on this road. I like driving up PCH, even with the charred fucking houses. I think it's a nice thing to do to drive along the coast in the morning. Using this as a place to go really fast is dumb. And actually, the reason I bring it up at all is because I think, not that all sports car drivers are absolved of this, you certainly see a Porsche or something, a Lambo, once in a while ripping up PCH. The vast majority of the accidents that you read about where there's fatalities are like regular sporty type sedans and SUVs that are just, that are like, maybe someone's

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  drunk or whatever, like, but it's, it's a BMW three series or a Range Rover or a Tesla. It's like, it's regular Richie people's cars. It's not normally, you know, a guy in a Carrera GT takes out a family of four.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  No, the dickbag driving I see there is exactly what you said. It's like someone in, I'm just going to call it like a plus level car. Like it's a car where they're clearly into their car.

• 46:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  But it's not a sporty car out for a Sunday drive. It's like they're just going in their 540 or something from their shop, from whatever breakfast.

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  Their commute or whatever.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  They just drive like assholes.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  And actually, I've seen a ton of, I mean, this is anecdotal, but a lot of like folks that are going out there to like, to work, you'll see like pseudo worky vehicles, like, you know, a pickup truck that's got one of those framey things in the bed or whatever, like just fucking mobbing out there. But, and I think sports car owners, because of what the cars look like and because they're loud and because it's whatever, I think get unfairly singled out.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  For, for being targeted. You still shouldn't drive like a dickbag on PCH.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  You know what'd be interesting is with this study, if they printed like the demographics of the cars, like what, you know, they have a hundred thousand citations, which cars got tickets. That'd be great. I also would say that this, this only ran for nine days.

• 47:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  That is a lot of tickets, but I don't, that, in my opinion, that's not long enough where the fines arrive, the people have to pay the fine, and then it curbs the behavior.

• 47:44Matt Farah?

  Agreed. No, agreed. And that wasn't the purpose of this. It was just to see what the behavior was of the people. And the fines weren't real. You know, it, it, a camera went off and it took your picture and you thought you got a ticket, but you're not getting a ticket. These were, this was a test. And they were, they were trying to see if they're going to turn them on and not, or make them active. They've now said they're going to revisit it. They're going to look at it and hold because, you know, because of all these reasons. Is this the right place for it? Is it, is it, is the 85th percentile thing? Should we weigh that more? Or should we weigh this pedestrian safety more? Is it an unfair

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  speed trap that the city council, you know, will, will vote down? But that's like, you know, a hundred thousand is a lot. This is a two lane road each, each way. This is a lot.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  That also highlights how busy that road is though. That's, that's over 10,000 cars per day getting tickets.

• 48:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  So what percentage is actually getting tickets and how many people are going by there? It's a lot.

• 48:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I mean, it's partial, part of this day, part of these days are rush hour traffic.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:57Matt Farah?

  Nobody's getting tickets during that, during the vast majority of the time.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  If you get a, if you were to get a ticket from these cameras, do points go on your license? Or is it only financial?

• 49:09Matt Farah?

  It goes to the owner of the car.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  So that would be interesting if, you know, if the residents of that area tend to be rather wealthy. So how many of them would just go, well, it's cost of doing business and they just want to drive fast and get fined all the time?

• 49:22Matt Farah?

  Well.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Is it actually punitive if, for some people, if there are no points put on your license?

• 49:29Matt Farah?

  I read somewhere that the fines would escalate. So, you know, the first one was, it was a warning and then it was 50 and then 100 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  I don't know where it stopped, but eventually, eventually it would probably get expensive enough that you would go, alright, this is

• 49:45Speaker 01

  That's a good idea.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  Not worth it anymore.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  I agree with you.

• 49:48Matt Farah?

  Maybe they could not, not renew your registration, you know, if you had, if you had enough or something like that. I'm not really sure where it goes.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:55Matt Farah?

  But it's, it was not in line with the 85th percentile, that's for sure.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  I think there's so many things they could do, like you said, with, you know, putting the bumps in and stuff. But we know that it's probably a lot cheaper for them to just install a camera on the side of the road that's powered, that then generates revenue than to close the road.

• 50:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Have a crew spend eight, you know, 18 weeks putting in six dots, because that's kind of how quickly things get done out here.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It makes money, it doesn't cost money. It's all, it's, it's all, almost all profit.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:23Matt Farah?

  You know? And they, they probably could fucking include a bunch of flock cameras on there too, fuckers. I, I fucking, I finally spoke up against my crazy neighbors. They've moved from fucking guns to now they want flock cameras and I was like,

• 50:42Matt Farah?

  hold that shit up, hell no.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Went and saw Patton Oswalt last night.

• 50:45Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 50:46Speaker 01

  He lives in the

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  That was great.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  He was only on for like 15 minutes.

• 50:49Matt Farah?

  Was it Largo?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  No, no, it was, uh, Hollywood Improv.

• 50:53Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  So it was supposed to be him and Anthony Jeselnik and like a bunch of other people. Anthony bailed like two days before and they swapped him out with this guy named Charles Fleischman. I'd never heard of him. I looked up his IMDB, he was the voice of Roger Rabbit and he did a bunch of other like VO work. This dude is definitely a genius.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah?

• 51:12Speaker 01

  He's like 60. It was like watching Robin Williams mixed with, uh, what's her name, Jaclyn Novak, who's, if you haven't seen her special, I think it's called On Your Knees on Netflix from like two years ago. This woman is one of the most brilliant people ever.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 51:27Speaker 01

  The special, we, Sarah and I watched it twice in two days.

• 51:29Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Unreal. This guy's brain was incredible. So that was an amazing surprise.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  Like a Carlin kind of brain?

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Uh, yes, but funnier, meaning, and I'm not, no disrespect, like Carlin got, you know, very political. This guy was less about that. He did crowd work, but like played with syllables, analyzed people's answers. Then he did like a crazy brilliant math joke to this person and he has, he did a TED Talk about math. He has a paper submitted to Cornell. Then he played the piano, then he played the harmonica. All of it was hilarious and very impressive. And he did like five different accents very well, all off top of his head. So incredible.

• 52:11Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Skill set is deep.

• 52:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Patton Oswalt?

• 52:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So he lives in the valley and he had, he told a story very similar to yours. He's like, we've had a break in almost every night in the neighborhood and, uh, we, we learned you can ask an LEPD officer to come and talk to your neighborhood about like safety and prevention. And he's like, the officer came and basically said that we're understaffed, so you can lock your door. And then their, their advice was buy a small safe, put a rock in it, put it in your closet so that when someone breaks in, they steal this dummy safe.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  Dummy safe.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Full of nothing and they run away with it. And he's like, and that way they, they don't, they ignore your real safe that's hidden somewhere else. And Patton's was like, dude, if, if I break into someone's house and steal a safe and there's a rock in it, I'm going to go back and murder everybody. Like, I don't want to steal his joke.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  I have

• 53:01Speaker 01

  So that's, so you and him are having the same problem.

• 53:04Matt Farah?

  I have a, I have a dummy watch box. In my closet, I have one of those watch display boxes that has like my four cheapest, like nothing watches that I would otherwise like basically throw away, just sitting in it right there. So if someone breaks in and goes to the closet, they're going to go in the dark, they're going to go fucking jackpot and they're going to steal a bunch of garbage.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:34Matt Farah?

  I'm already, I'm out there.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  You're there.

• 53:36Matt Farah?

  Me and Patton are on the same fucking

• 53:37Speaker 01

  You guys have the same strategy.

• 53:38Matt Farah?

  Me and that cop.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Kind of like a hand, yeah, well, what are you going to do? It was basically shrug emoji.

• 53:44Matt Farah?

  Shrug emoji.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's happening in a lot of places apparently.

• 53:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Midday break and things.

• 53:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  I interrupted you, so flock cameras in your neighborhood?

• 53:52Matt Farah?

  That's, that, that was it. I, I fucking said hell to the no. And then once I did, like four other people were like, yeah, yeah, fucking hell to the no on that as well. So fucking, we, we've, we've averted, fortunately.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  It's hard to tell a whole bunch of fucking old people though, that like, they don't get it. They don't like, they don't understand the, the downsides, you know, of flock cameras.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, don't you, I'm assuming that, because you've told me like the break-ins are being done by the same team, the same crew, they're wearing the same thing, same cars. People surely have footage of their vehicles and these people on, on ring cam. So the flock doesn't add any new footage?

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  No.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Right?

• 54:29Matt Farah?

  No. And they're using either stolen license plates or they're driving around on no tags, which is an easy, you know?

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:36Matt Farah?

  A lot of other places in the country, you drive around no tags, you get pulled over in five minutes. Not this city.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:41Matt Farah?

  People have been doing this for decades.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  And we don't have the system here where they're going to, like flock's going to track that car all the way back to its origin just for you guys. We know they're not going to do that. Now.

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  No.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  If it was a cop's ex-girlfriend.

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  Getting an abortion in Texas, or if you're a cop's ex-girlfriend.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:56Matt Farah?

  That's what we need to do. We need to, we need to find a cop's ex-girlfriend, have a fake house that could get robbed, right? There, now, now we're talking.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Submit a letter to Texas, to, to Abbott and say, hey, I think that this car transported a woman across state lines for an abortion. It also swung by my neighborhood and stole some stuff, but they came to California for this reason. Can you figure out where that's from?

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  You don't have to say the house was an abortion clinic.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  No, no, they

• 55:25Matt Farah?

  Follow the woman home who came, the burglar.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Like that gets messy.

• 55:30Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:31Matt Farah?

  But that's how you have to use flock, that's the right prompt.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  I, I was going to say that they swung by your house en route or on the way back from

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, sure.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Said Planned Parenthood. That way, no one's, no one in your neighborhood is getting their door kicked down.

• 55:45Matt Farah?

  Good point.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  For running an illegal abortion clinic.

• 55:47Matt Farah?

  That's probably a good idea.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  We'll noodle.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Work the system.

• 55:51Matt Farah?

  We'll noodle.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  We'll workshop that a little bit.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  So speeding camps.

• 55:56Matt Farah?

  But we don't have flock, that's, that's what's important.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  We don't.

• 55:59Matt Farah?

  We've averted it for at least a week until someone else goes, hey, we should look into these, I heard they were cool.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Exxon.

• 56:05Matt Farah?

  It happens every, yeah, right? So anyway, though, don't, those, those tickets you think you're getting on PCH, they're not real unless a cop pulls you over the time being. I went out there on Sunday, damn, heavy enforcement, real cops.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  It seems like this week has been, we've done a couple of drives together and noted how many police officers were out.

• 56:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. Because of Columbus Day.

• 56:30Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 56:32Speaker 01

  I mean, I could make a joke, but

• 56:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:38Matt Farah?

  What the fuck else is going on? Uh, yeah, do you want to talk about fake, fake gated shifters?

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, do you want to do that? Do you want to comment on this at all?

• 56:45Matt Farah?

  Doug's car?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Doug's car.

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  Half a mil for Doug's car?

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Doug Demiro is selling his Ford GT.

• 56:51Matt Farah?

  Why does it have a Willow Springs reimagined overlay on this photo? I mean, I, I will be at, we will be at Willow Springs reimagined on October 17th, but like, and there's also a Cars and Bids apparently live auction there?

• 57:06Speaker 01

  That's probably why.

• 57:07Matt Farah?

  That's why, but, but this isn't it, this is being auctioned right now.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  That, that watermark got us talking about.

• 57:12Matt Farah?

  How many, when, when does this end? Is it done? It's not over, right?

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Three days.

• 57:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, this probably ends, yeah, yeah, this ends, ends during the event. How interesting.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  And the October 17th.

• 57:25Matt Farah?

  Do you think their live event is just a bunch of iPads that you type in your bids like this?

• 57:31Matt Farah?

  Well, look, I mean, this, you know, look, Doug is, uh, Doug is a owner of provenance. These are known great cars. He's maintained it like it's supposed to. It, it was, it was pretty decent provenance even before that. Carl Brouwer owned it and fastidiously maintained it and documented it. And so, you know, I'm, I'm not entirely surprised. I don't think that's a typical number for a blue Ford GT with 48,000 miles at all. Without Doug, this car, the number on this starts with a three.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  Not a five, but, uh, good for Doug. Doug's provenance is, is worth it to a good number of, of people. So why shouldn't he get all the money for this car?

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Good looking car, god damn.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  Also, it's incredibly well photographed and presented. I mean, he clearly, uh, someone took the time to, uh, to put the car in its best light, literally. These photos are awesome.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  I mean, this is all golden hour in San Diego.

• 58:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Carl, the, the car looks great. Uh, so yeah, not surprised.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  I like the dark blue with the stripe.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  He's gonna get all the money for that car.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, dark blue with a stripe works. It's a really good, rich blue.

• 58:41Matt Farah?

  I don't think it looks as good in real life as these photos make it look. I think it's, I think it's not. I don't think it's that rich of a, it just, and this is my fucking opinion, just of this blue in general. I, cause I've seen a lot of them in this color. It doesn't do anything for me in particular. These, in these, with these great golden hour photos, that's as good as it gets. Uh, but in the, in the darker lights.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Oh, well, you know, you can see, well, here, like, the sun's gone down here and now the car looks black.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  So.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  It doesn't, it doesn't really do it for me, this color.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 59:13Matt Farah?

  But for me, that's just me. I have a, I, I'm, I'm only going in on a Ford GT if it's the right color though.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:21Matt Farah?

  And I can't fucking afford it. I'd have to sell a great many things to get one of those and probably never gonna happen at this point. But man, was that one nice in Michigan.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  That was so fun. I love that car.

• 59:33Matt Farah?

  Fucking best.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  I would drive that car a lot.

• 59:36Matt Farah?

  That's the, that's the best.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Give me, I'll, I'll buy the first, you know, 150,000 mile Ford GT.

• 59:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Probably still work fine.

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  My, uh, my retrospective on the Ford GT is in this, uh, this issue of Road and Track. Go get it when you can. And that's a, that's a real manual gearbox. And then a bunch of people, uh, sent me, this is, it's not new. Uh, but because we were talking about digital fake, uh, manual gearboxes being a thing that rich people are now gonna have. Um, they sent, Resvani does a gated core, a gated, uh, C8.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they also, they, they have like an R and D division now, I forget what it's called. They're also doing one for the, was it the 458, I believe? Um, I think this is the 458 H pattern, which is why it's a seven speed.

• 1:00:22Matt Farah?

  It's a, there's seven, but you showed me a photo of the Corvette one that has eight.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  Which is, which is to me, not great. Like, that's the wrong number of gates on a.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  It's a lot of gates.

• 1:00:36Matt Farah?

  Was, I think it was on a, was it on a video that you froze?

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  It was.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  Um, because the, because the resting place of the shifter in the middle is right on notches. It's not in a, you know, a six-speed shifter, of course. If it's sitting in the middle and you push forward, that's third, you pull back, that's fourth, like. And even if it's a seven speed, that doesn't change the centrifacation, centrif, doesn't change that the.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Centering.

• 1:01:04Matt Farah?

  Centering of the, of the, of the shaft.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:01:07Matt Farah?

  But when you have eight.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  But why?

• 1:01:10Matt Farah?

  Eight is a lot.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Why does that matter? Like, it's nice for shifting in very specific circumstances, but like, if I'm going from two to three, it makes that slightly easier. I just push up, let go, push up again.

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  Cause it's sent, it always, if you're, you only move it one way left or one way right. And it centers itself, it always makes it easier to get to center, which is important, so you don't fucking money shift.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess, I guess what it does is it turns every shift into a four to five, to a fourth to fifth. Fourth to fifth, you have to move it over, right?

• 1:01:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  So now you're two to three, you have to control where it goes.

• 1:01:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  And then every subsequent shift after that.

• 1:01:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  I guess if it's digital, it's impossible to money shift.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Right, cause there's no clutch pedal. So they, I didn't see a photo, but someone confirmed there's no clutch pedal. So unlike Ferrari's thing, where they have that clutch pedal that pauses the engine. Now this, I haven't used it, neither have you, so I would assume that as you pull the lever, like, it tells the throttle, cut throttle.

• 1:02:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Disengage, reengage, clutch as it goes back in. So you just have to get used to doing that and timing it. You know, it's like, it's like shifting without the clutch in your normal car, which you can do.

• 1:02:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, it makes me want it less. That's, that's true. Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  I do think there are, here's a, we're showing a footage of the, uh, C8 one, you can see all the H pattern. I guess we'll see how it works, but for me, like, in a transmission with this many speeds, that's known for shifting this quickly. Like, it might be fun to have the vertical shifter and just pull it, push it like a sequential box. But I don't know if I'm gonna enjoy moving it eight times to eight different gates and like, learning that timing. But, I mean, look, we're in early stages of this electrified manual stuff. So maybe I'll reserve total judgment until I try it, but it seems like a lot of speeds.

• 1:03:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  And I, and you don't get to disengage it with the clutch, right? So you're just, you're, you're on the gas, lift, pull, it drops in, on the gas. Like, it slows your shifting down a lot, but in a way that might feel unnatural, I don't know.

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  That's like a, like a Sportamatic or a Ferrari Vallejo, uh, which was a clutchless gated shifter from back in the day. I don't love it without the clutch pedal. I think it's cool, I think it's cooler to do a sequential shifter and a clutch pedal with an 8HP gearbox. And be able to clutch kick it and have a more rally-style shifter than it is to have an eight gates, but no clutch pedal with an eight-speed DCT.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  I don't wanna move a lever that bad that I need to completely, completely fake it.

• 1:04:02Matt Farah?

  Especially when like, so many of the C8 Corvettes, like really all of them are like so, not all of them, they're like, maybe not the, not the, the, the, the push rod engine, but the Z06 and the ZR1 are so goddamn fast. That you, you don't, you don't want a manual, really. You want to keep your hands on the wheel with a car like that. That car is flying down the road and it's such a good fucking setup. It's not, like, I get wanting to get rid of the single clutch, like, the idea of a, like a Ferrari 599 going from.

• 1:04:44Matt Farah?

  And when an otherwise is a very exotic car, like, makes total sense. And like, it's a bummer that a C8 Corvette isn't a stick. But like, I don't know, man, making a fake one isn't, I really, really the answer, I don't think. I like this 8HP thing, which is the, the, um, ZF 8-speed gearbox can be manually overridden. And, and you can install a effectively aftermarket clutch pedal. And you can clutch kick it and you have full manual control, even though it's a torque converter automatic gearbox. And in these drift cars, it's even stronger than the manual gearboxes that they're replacing in some cases.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it basically, it basically gives people a sequentially shifted transmission for a lot less money. You know, if you can't, not everyone can afford like a full racing gearbox, you know, most people can't. So this goes, hey, grab an 8HP or, you know, ZF 8-speed out of any crash. There's millions of cars that have it, trucks, you know, BMWs, whatever, grab one from the junkyard. Throw this computer on there for like, I think it's like 1,300 bucks. And now you are closer to having a full racing box.

• 1:05:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and you can have a clutch pedal or you can have a hand clutch, you could have a button clutch, like, anything that sends a signal could be a clutch. And so you can do all kinds of cool shit with that. Customize your own inputs in a way that is pretty new and novel. And look, why, if someone wants eight gates on their C8 Corvette, like, fucking God bless. But it doesn't seem like you're actually upgrading anything.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I guess that's true. I mean, the manual now is always gonna be slower than any paddle shifted transmission, almost including ZFs. But if it's about driver enjoyment, do you enjoy, enjoy it more? Sure, I would love to try this to see how it's executed because like, you know, it looks like milled aluminum. They've got like a whole.

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  I don't know, like rocker system down here. It looks like nice stuff. I am just curious how it feels as you, as you go to tug it, like, does the engine, you know, dive a little bit as before it disengages? Or is it really, is it as smooth as I would be with a clutch?

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  That's what I wanna know.

• 1:07:00Matt Farah?

  I guess I believe in like replacing shitty tech with better tech. Like replacing Mercedes slush boxes with good quality manuals, like really improves those cars. And like, replacing, uh, the single clutch automated ones from Aston Martin, Ford from the, or Ferrari from the early 2000s. Like, that improves those cars. I'm not sure you're gonna improve the Corvette's DCT too much by doing this. But, I guess we'll see. Um, should we go to the people?

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're at fifty minutes.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, before we go to the people. Um, and you know what? I may want to pause and pee.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  Just because I drank a lot of water and be my consult before this for the car hack. Uh, before we go to the people, fun announcement. Our show at the Time to Drive Festival in Miami, which is Saturday, November 7th is our show. Um, if you're a patron, um, we have a code on the Patreon page. You can use to get a free ticket to our show. Um, once you're, um, once you're inside the festival. If you're not a patron, you can see, still get a ticket to the show. It just costs money. Um, but I have secured us a fun and cool and interesting guest. Racing legend Scott Dixon.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 1:08:17Matt Farah?

  Will be joining us for that live podcast. He is a very cool guy. Um, introduced to him, uh, through my friend Adam Golden of Menta Watches in Miami. Watch guy, uh, incredible racing record. Um, in open wheel racing and other, other, uh, in Indy car and other racing.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  He won the Indy car championship six times.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  Six times.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  He won the Indy 500, uh, once, and he's won the 24 Hours of Daytona three times.

• 1:08:50Matt Farah?

  So I'm saying, the guy's got three Rolex Daytonas the hard way.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Matt Farah?

  Which is, uh, which is, I didn't want to give the resume without getting the numbers right, but thank you for finding them for me. Heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy racing driver, but he's cool as shit. So, uh, he's gonna come join us on that show. Very fun. And of course Willow Springs Reimagined, October 17th. We're doing a show with a bunch of racing drivers. Um, we got JB, Jensen Button is gonna join us. We've got Marino Francidi. Um, and Dario Francidi, the Scottish brothers. Marino's the, uh, the head, uh, test driver. Oh, look, that's our software. Yesterday I made, uh, three cups chicken for dinner. It's fucking delicious. Delicious dish. I suggest everybody learn how to make three cups chicken. It's very easy. So tasty.

• 1:09:37Matt Farah?

  And I was, uh, cutting up some serrano peppers to put in, in the dish. And Hannah comes out from, uh, from a meeting. She goes, let's go for a walk before you really have to start cooking. Go for a walk. About halfway into the walk, I

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Things get romantic.

• 1:09:53Matt Farah?

  Get something. No, no, no, thank God. No. Uh, I get something in my eye.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:10:00Matt Farah?

  And I just, just a Quick, doesn't take long.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:10:06Matt Farah?

  Half a second. I yelp like a goddamn chihuahua. She goes, what? She goes, Hannah goes, what the fuck is that? I go, I just, I just mashed serrano into my eye. And I am just

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  You run home?

• 1:10:22Matt Farah?

  Instantly on fire and I'm probably a mile from my house.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  That's pretty far.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  Far. It's so far. It's the longest mile of my life.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  You, you look for the nearest neighbor you know and can I borrow your hose?

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  Dude, so I'm like, that's all right. I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it home, but I cannot open my right eye. If I open my right eye for like, uh, it's my, even it's on fire when it's closed, but it's It's not possible to open. If I open it and the lightest breeze, just Just a whisper of breeze hits it, it's a, it's a fucking lightning bolt to the, to my face.

• 1:11:02Matt Farah?

  And I have the longest, like, you know, whatever it was, 10 or 15 minute walk, you know, back to

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Your eyes just tearing like crazy, I'm sure.

• 1:11:10Matt Farah?

  And it's spreading to like the rest of my face and I'm just, as soon as I get, I just like rip My fucking clothes off and you know, I have a, uh, Uh, like a, a rain shower, like comes down from, and I just, I turn, and I just stand under it and go And I just stand under that with my eyes open for like, It felt like a long time. It was probably like five, six full minutes.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Ow, yeah.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  And like it

• 1:11:39Matt Farah?

  Fucked up.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Really, really hurt.

• 1:11:41Matt Farah?

  It was really bad. Yeah. Oh, it was, and you can't, you know, I couldn't like, I still hadn't like washed my hands, so I

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  Well, I did it while I was like in the shower, like trying to do it, but I'm trying to like, you know,

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  Hierarchy, yeah.

• 1:11:56Matt Farah?

  Clean out my eyes and like, I can't, I can't

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  That would've been so funny if you got out and touched your eye and like, fuck.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, so bad, dude. Uh, um, yeah. So anyway, October 17th, Willow Springs Reimagined, uh, come see us. Is this show gonna go up Thursday, right?

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, this goes up next week.

• 1:12:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, it'll be over?

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:12:15Matt Farah?

  Hope you had a good time.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  It was great.

• 1:12:17Matt Farah?

  I hope everyone had a great time.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:12:18Matt Farah?

  Willow Springs Reimagined. Um, let's go to the people. Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast. It's where you get the live stream, get the show early, get the show ads, get the show without ads. Get extra show, get early and exclusive access to collabs and other things that we make with brands that we like. And, um,

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  Feel good about yourselves for helping us pay our mortgages and continue to do fun things with cars. Hopefully we get to keep doing that in the future. Let's go to them. My other car is a Pontiac Salsa.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  What, uh, what, what is the reference?

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Pontiac Solstice.

• 1:13:01Matt Farah?

  Solstice.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Matt Farah?

  I've never heard it refused, referred to as a salsa.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Uh, neither, neither have I, but that's what they're doing, yeah.

• 1:13:07Matt Farah?

  Got it. New game, same vein as Car You Garbage. It's called Cartism. I hope this isn't like, oh, I hope this wasn't, okay. Uh, I didn't, I didn't breeze green this one before just reading it. Uh, is water, uh, cartism with questions like, is water the only liquid allowed inside your car? Do you wipe? Oh, like, oh, okay, I see. How, how fucking insane are you about your car? Is essentially the game. Like, are you a car lunatic? Like, do you make people take off their shoes, not touch things, not bring a food or beverage in your car? I'm not that precious about my cars.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'll eat my car.

• 1:13:48Matt Farah?

  I see where you're going with the, with the integration of it into a game. But when does it get funny? It does need to be funny.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  You'd have to do this, uh, like at a car show and do the, you know, man on the street thing and be like, do you let people eat in your car? Like, and I think you could escalate and say like, will you let them drink water? Yeah. Cause I know a friend of mine, I think he lets his kids drink water. Maybe in the car at most, but that's it.

• 1:14:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, actually I like this. I, for, I like this for you as a bit.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:14:19Matt Farah?

  Is an escalating series of questions that's like, Say, it's like, say I wanted to borrow your car, you know, and asked about the dimensions of your trunk. And asked if there was like drains built in, you know, like, you know, kind, it'll kind of imply I want you wanted to do a murder or something with the car.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Like, well, there's, what will you do in your car? And then there's, will you let people borrow your car?

• 1:14:43Matt Farah?

  Sure. The answer to that second one is for me, fucking no, never, never again.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, not anymore.

• 1:14:49Matt Farah?

  Again.

• 1:14:53Matt Farah?

  Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. Uh, Kamisa keeps track of every mile he's ever driven in every car. Doug Demuro keeps track of all the VIN numbers of the cars he's ever owned. And periodically checks to see where they are. Do you and Zach do anything similarly OCD?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  I definitely don't.

• 1:15:17Matt Farah?

  No, and that's why those people are more successful in this business than us.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  Because they have a following of fucking weirdos that can relate to shit like that.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  I, I do, I had the thought like literally three days ago of mimicking Kamisa, starting that, like, Keeping notes on cars I've driven would be helpful, being able to refer back to them, but I have not been doing it because Just not my brain. He's got, he's an, I think he's an engineering major, like they love data.

• 1:15:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, I like his engineering, uh, deep dives and I like his, uh, the bit when he comes on the show of us picking a random number From his list of cars driven. I think that's a fun bit. Um, and yeah, like, we drive so many cars that taking notes on them is very beneficial. I do, I do usually take notes on cars and you can find them in my books. I don't have them organized like he does. But I do not keep track of, I, if you look, if you were to buy a car from me, Um, what you would find is that my service records are impeccably organized by year.

• 1:16:18Matt Farah?

  Um, like you'd get a binder that has a bunch of eight and a half by 11 yellow page, uh, uh, eight and a half by 11 clear, uh, pages in it. And each one will say like 2026, 2025, 2024, 2023. And each, each one will be that year's maintenance records for that car as far back as I've got it.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  That's a good idea.

• 1:16:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  I should do that because right now I have two very thick folders.

• 1:16:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Three.

• 1:16:45Matt Farah?

  No, this is, this is the way. This is the way. And, and then I have one of those for every car and then they're organized on a shelf and it's like Countach, Porsche, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. And then it's just the most easy thing in the world to reference. And people like love when I, when you sell them the car and they get the buy, they're like, oh, the binder is so nicely organized. They just, that's as like really as fastidious as I think you need to be for a buyer to be confident that you give a shit about your car's records. Um, record, dude, records, records are crazy important. Like we're selling these cars on Bring a Trailer now, like we just sold a car that I swear to you is an original 12,000 mile car.

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  And it was driven, it was a 71 Mercedes Pagoda SL, bought new, one owner car. First owner drove it and maintained it just as a normal car, like it's your SL. It's like your, you know, a sporty car, but just a regular nice car for like 15 years. Drove it like 12,000 miles and then fucking parked it in 1985 or something. Parked it. It sat. I think it was started up and run up to temperature once in a while. Maybe the oil was changed, but essentially nothing was done since the eighties. And like people, the commenters just like would not believe.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  Like they were like, no, it must be, it must've rolled over. It must be 112,000 miles. I'm like, no, no, the, the, the car just sat. And they wouldn't believe because the driver's seat was a little more worn. Well, if someone's getting in and out of a car without driving it, the wear and tear on your seat is when you get in and when you get out, not when you're sitting in it. So like, if someone's getting in and out of a car once a week to start it and not driving it anywhere, it's going to have pretty much the same wear as if they were driving it the whole time, except the odometer won't go up. And so anyway, the car did well. It made reserve. It got the amount of money that the, that our client wanted to get, but it would have

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  gotten like way more if there was documentation of this car being serviced even a few times. Like even if they serviced it like four or five times in the 25 years or 35 years since it's been sitting, like.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Be funny if there were, there were 12 pieces of paper. Everyone said mechanic, annual startup, car idles 30 minutes, turn off.

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  And just 35 of those.

• 1:19:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, they just verified that the odometer wasn't going up that whole time, you know, because everyone else is going, well, it must be 112,000 because there's no records of it not being that. And I go, well, there's no records because it was sitting in a fucking barn and it didn't, it, because it didn't, you know.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Well, also if there were service records for the first 12,000, why would they stop keeping records and roll it over unless they're like, oh, they threw the records away?

• 1:19:46Matt Farah?

  They did, they did a mystery 100,000 miles in the car, like no, but there was no proof of it. And so, and, and that in the long term is like really what you, you need. You, if you can back this shit up, then people can't say anything.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  Wow, that's like the barn find thing. And now there's channels that allegedly people are doing fake barn finds, like where they go, we found this car, it's covered in mud and we're going to wash it. And it's usually for that kind of content. Like you need proof that the dust is real.

• 1:20:14Matt Farah?

  We were, we were there. We took, you and I took meetings with people that wanted us to do that kind of shit. Fake flips, fake fines, you know, there, there, there are barn fines left out there, but there's only so many. Cars are only so interesting.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  Johnny Smith is finding all of them in Britain.

• 1:20:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like you, you, you can't base a TV production schedule on shit like that.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:39Matt Farah?

  You know? Um, I ADAS and got an STI. Our buddy Marco said that every time I say ADAS, he just hears eight ass. And like, I understand, but like, what you gonna do? I didn't call it that. Which vehicle will be a bigger flop, the Slate Truck or the Jaguar O1?

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  I think we have to figure out what success is for each of these companies. Like, you know, are we talking, have they met their sales target, like their honest sales target, not the one they make up after it doesn't sell very well? Or total numbers or fan response? I don't know. I mean, I, I think there's a better business case for the Slate Truck than there is the Jaguar O1, but, uh, just because, I mean, sedans are selling a little bit better this year than previous years, but in, in general, as we talked about in the last show, a giant sedan that's expensive, that doesn't hold a ton of stuff.

• 1:21:35Matt Farah?

  Limited appeal.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  Limited appeal versus, you know, a big fancy EV Range Rover or something like that.

• 1:21:41Matt Farah?

  So, yeah. I mean, I, I, I think for at least the first year, Slate will sell some trucks. I mean, there are people out there who are excited for a cheap, small truck and they'll probably buy one, you know?

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  Well, it also has a commercial appeal.

• 1:21:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Which I don't think the Jaguar does, you know, beyond like maybe a little bit of livery service.

• 1:22:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, there's a business opportunity that I'm personally exploring in which now that I think about it, a Slate Truck would make some sense, uh, compared to another type of truck. And I'm not talking about towing my dumb truck.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  I know what you mean.

• 1:22:14Matt Farah?

  I'm talking about something else, but like a Slate Truck would actually make sense. Um, niche luxury products. I'll say the, actually the, the, the one reason you probably think this about the Jaguar is its biggest asset, which is the looks. It just, it doesn't look like anything else, uh, on the road right now. It looks all new and it looks fucking expensive. And, and there are, uh, there's a, there's a core group of people that are down for it's new and expensive and I'm the first guy to have one in my town or whatever. We're going to see him in LA for damn sure.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:22:53Matt Farah?

  Cash Patel's BMW fleet manager, trying to make a stop at the Nurburgring on my honeymoon in the fall next year. Uh, can you offer any advice? I'm probably going to rent through RSR in a Golf R or M240i or something manageable. Uh, if you have never been to the Nurburgring before, an M240i is not where I would start. Like that, at the Nurburgring, that's a fast fucking car.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Fast rear wheel drive car.

• 1:23:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I probably would start with like literally a Suzuki Swift or a Renault Megane or a Fiesta or like one of their hatchbacks. And RSR will probably tell you the same thing. Um, Golf R is probably okay. That's, the Golf R is about the fastest car I would want at my, for my first time at the Nurburgring. Um, having said that, RSR is an amazing outfit. Those guys are great. You should go to the Piston Plaza and eat steak on a stone. Um, you should, uh, go to the, the main entrance and just hang out there for a while and, and, um, just watch the world go by. It's one of the more amazing places to car spot.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:59Matt Farah?

  And spectate. And you should drive it like a road. Don't drive it like a track. I mean, you can, you can drive a racing line and hit apexes, but, but even if you play it in video games, I would not go full send anywhere you can't see. Like the Nurburgring has tons of blind corners, um, that if you want to set a good lap time, you know, or you play a lot in video games, you can just full send through those blind corners. I would not do that in a rented RSR car my first time there at all. I would drive it like a canyon road, uh, without, where you can't get in trouble for speeding. Um, and you'll still have a great time.

• 1:24:42Matt Farah?

  And if you, if on the day you're there, it's fully dry and you've got five laps or six laps you're doing, that's a lot actually. Five, six laps is like, what, 50 laps almost? No, 30 laps of a race, of a regular racetrack. Um, that you'll be exhausted. But if it's dry, you know, once you do three, four laps and you confirm that it's a fully dry day and you're comfortable, then maybe you start to go a little quicker and, and hold the throttle places that you're getting familiar with, but like.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Cause don't forget, you're also going to have to deal with traffic management.

• 1:25:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  If you haven't done wheel to wheel racing, that requires a lot of brain power.

• 1:25:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  It'd be very exciting.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  If he's going on a tourist day, it's not wheel to wheel racing. I mean, there's going to be an RV out there and a guy.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  No, that's what I'm saying. Like it, you're, you're going to be passing cars and being passed by cars with crazy speed deltas and that requires a lot of brain power.

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But, uh, it's very, it's the, it's fun, exciting, dangerous, thrilling, you know, once in a lifetime, hopefully more than once in a lifetime, but, but I understand making the stop and I encourage it, but it's your honeymoon. Don't do anything too fucking stupid.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Don't burn your honeymoon budget because you crashed.

• 1:25:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, Luke S., how do you guys make decisions about TST and projects and the future of the company? Is it mostly my task? How do you manage separate, to separate business issues from your friendship? There's not a lot of tough business decisions to make. I mean, we haven't had a lot of, you know, do or die kind of such, I mean, it's, it's, it's become very obvious. We, we've said for a long time that we're not going to really know when the, when the video side of the business is over because it's the, they'll change the algorithm, they'll change how people find us and maybe what we're doing isn't cool anymore and whatever. And, you know, that's like sort of happened.

• 1:26:39Matt Farah?

  So, but at the same time, like we never really thought 10 years ago that anybody would come pay to see us to talk about cars live. And like it turns out like that's really fun and that makes money. We never thought about, you know, we, if something seems fun and interesting, we try it once and if we works, we do it again. I don't think there's ever been anything we've ever been like really on at opposite sides on, right?

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  No, I think we have, we have very similar morals, which helps guide a lot of decisions. And then I think now we've developed, uh, because of our relationship, if something comes up that we are, have a different opinion, we just say it very openly. And then usually one of us will realize, oh, the logic of, the logic of your, you know, your input mat or the logic of mine and we go, oh yeah. Okay. And that's, and we move on pretty quickly.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I guess like tech, I'm the CEO or whatever, but like either, either person has veto power. And I, I, I, I leave money on the table by not taking ick money a lot. Weird supplements, Bitcoin, you know, weird crypto shit.

• 1:27:58Matt Farah?

  You know, very strange iffy stuff that I'll just flat out say no to before I, before I even bring it up. And I think most of the time, if I mention, oh, later, like, oh, this, this weird online casino wanted to pay us to do this thing. You know, he'll be like, yeah, that's, Zach will be like, yeah, that's probably not good.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or we've been approached by advertisers and you'll say, what do we think of this? And, you know, it's, it's a pretty democratic decision.

• 1:28:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's not, it's, yeah, it's not, it's not that hard. Actually, fortunately, it's not that hard.

• 1:28:29Matt Farah?

  Pierce the veil side, pretty good. I hear watch people talk about the old money aesthetic all the time. Do you see a market for that style to come back to high end luxury cars? It seems like Bentley was the only one close to that, but the news of the digitally controlled air vents seems to dilute it.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  Well,

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  the old money aesthetic is, does not happen in cars in really mainstream cars. Like, like even a mainstream Bentley EV isn't going to achieve the old money aesthetic. Like you, now it's like, you need like coach built stuff. Like you gotta get one of those, one of those Bentley Bacalhars or one of those Rolls Royce boat tails, where it's like the roaring twenties, where you order your car from a man, a chassis manufacturer and have like, you know, Frau or whoever, uh, make a body for it or Mulliner or.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  That Holland and Holland Range Rover thing.

• 1:29:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Coach built, coach built shit is the old money aesthetic.

• 1:29:41Matt Farah?

  And or like paint to sample non nine 11 Porsches. You know, if you get your Panamera or your Cayenne or your Macan and PTS, like that's kind of old money boss move, actually.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  I think Singer is doing.

• 1:29:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Companies like that are doing the old money, because people know they're very expensive, but they're understated ish. It's not just like, here's my new SVJ.

• 1:30:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  It's like, yeah, I could afford an SVJ, but instead I bought this old thing and made it perfect. And, you know, you open the door and you go, oh, that's where all the money is.

• 1:30:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Old money aesthetic is a Singer Turbo in navy blue. Where if you had, if you had a Singer Turbo in navy blue and a nine 30 Turbo in the same navy blue, parked 200 yards apart and you stood in the middle and went left, right, they would look almost exactly the same. It's like, how do I make this money invisible?

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  Which I think that you're right, they're doing that. Yeah. Either invisible or steampunk, you know, analog, because it takes a lot of money to get analog these days. Rolex LT Lariat King Ranch. When you're setting up to drive a new car, what do you prioritize in terms of comfort? Arm to wheel, leg to pedals, shifter to seat angles. Have either of you found the perfect no compromise car for your body and position?

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  I think I usually prioritize arm to wheel, but I also have shorter legs for my height. And then I'm willing to just deal with bending my knees a little bit more, at least for a while on a road trip, then I'll stretch back out again. But I definitely prioritize arm to wheel because I want to have like the full range of motion and for steering.

• 1:31:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You, when you're, I like, you know, I have to,

• 1:31:30Matt Farah?

  arm to wheel is, is really where I need to end up. Where you drape your wrists across the steering wheel and the steering wheel hits, hits you right in the wrist. That's, that's really where you want to be. But with my back, I like to sit a little further straight up. So, so I usually, I usually will move the, the seat back until my pedals are right. And then adjust my seat back until that seems right. I'll then bring the steering wheel as close to me as it gets.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, always.

• 1:32:05Matt Farah?

  And if it doesn't get close enough, I'll move the seat forward until I get to the right place. If I'm doing sporty driving or if I'm on a track, I'll, I'll give up leg room for the right, for the wrist drape.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. I tend to sit even a little more upright if I'm doing track stuff.

• 1:32:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If I'm on a road trip, I'll reach for the wheel a little more and have the leg room. Because I'm not going to need to do this.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:32Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  And leaning back more like, the more you lean back, the more the weight of your upper body is distributed on the seat back versus going more towards your butt.

• 1:32:40Matt Farah?

  For me, the perfect no compromise car for my body and position, this was not, you're not going to believe me, is the McLaren seven 50 with comfort seats. I could drive it for eight hours. I could drive it on a racetrack. I could drive it in the canyons. I could run errands in it, all with the same seating position. Do not need to make a change.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:33:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I would say probably a nine 11 with 18 ways also, but the McLaren is the more surprising one.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Our, our nine 11, uh, well, well, the nine 11 T are our new giveaway car, but the turbo also that we had, we spent a lot of time in. Incredibly comfortable.

• 1:33:17Matt Farah?

  Nine nine two, nine nine two, nine 11. Yeah, for sure. My, my spider is, is pretty much there as well.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  But I remember like an example, the Golf R did not telescope as much as I wished it did. I pulled it and I went, oh, that's it. Versus the Amira, actually it has a lot more adjustability in that wheel.

• 1:33:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. My Acura NSX, I couldn't get the wheel close enough to me because I had to lean back in order to, to sit in the car right. Ty, Ty can't, Ty can't stop till you get enough. What cars would each of my cats and Tucker drive?

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Tucker would drive a Caterham.

• 1:33:54Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Manic. Manic, and then it would sit for a while and sleep, you know, because no one's going to drive a Caterham every day for five hours a day.

• 1:34:03Matt Farah?

  Well, Finn is a big boy. He's like a meathead. Finn, Finn is like a Hellcat. Finn would definitely be blacked out Hellcat, right? Cricket is like, this is going to be so mean. Cricket is a little fat girl.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  She's a patron, by the way.

• 1:34:24Matt Farah?

  Me, White Jetta. Cricket drives a White Jetta. That's the only acceptable option for a girl of her stature.

• 1:34:33Matt Farah?

  Nikki.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Her and Jesse.

• 1:34:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:38Matt Farah?

  Nikki, uh, is named after Nikki Louden. And so Nikki drives a Mercedes. I'm thinking an SL because she's a, she's a luxurious lady. A little bag of rice that she is very soft. So I think, I think a Mercedes SL is what Nikki is rolling in. And Monty, you know, he came to us on the spare tire carrier of like a 28 year old Chevy 1500 with rust on it, but he's like a model, like good looking model.

• 1:35:10Matt Farah?

  Like super designer cat. I, I was going to say like, like one of those like, uh,

• 1:35:19Matt Farah?

  like think about like, uh, you know how like Christian Bale drives like an oh three Tacoma?

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:24Matt Farah?

  Like that's Monty. He's the, he's the good looking guy who doesn't even need a cool car. He just looks good in an average truck because he's so handsome and charming. You know, he doesn't need the costume. Yeah. Murray Long, last name, I might have to trade down my GRC for financial reasons. Oh no. I somehow found a Macan T for 34,000 bucks. Oh, could I, if you could lower your car payment and get a Macan T instead of a GR Corolla? I don't think that feels like a, a step down. I mean, it's a step down in performance, but a step up in luxury.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  I think it's a nicer daily. It's more comfortable. It's, I mean, it's more roomier inside, obviously, but like the quality of the materials is nicer, the way the dash is designed, like it just looks better to get in. It's, yeah.

• 1:36:16Matt Farah?

  Lateral move, CPO, same engine as a Golf R. It's got the two liter, could get a tune on it.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:23Matt Farah?

  If it's CPO, that's probably a pretty good deal, actually. Yeah, not terrible.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  That's bad.

• 1:36:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We drove, we reviewed one. It was where that guy had that crazy Camaro was driving and.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  Driving like a crazy person for a sad reason. Yeah.

• 1:36:35Matt Farah?

  It was not quick in a straight line, but it was a nice thing.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's a momentum car.

• 1:36:39Matt Farah?

  Not bad. Professional ambulance chaser. What non-auto competition reality TV show would you succeed at? Survivor, Big Brother, Amazing Race?

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Squid game? I'm just kidding.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  I mean, from this list, like Amazing Race, I think I'd be interested in.

• 1:36:57Matt Farah?

  You would be good at.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  That would be fun. But this Big Brother and like the stuff where you're just locked inside and there's cameras and it's all about like schmoozing. Oh, God, I would try to get kicked out so quickly. I would just quit. I can't do it.

• 1:37:11Matt Farah?

  I'd be really good at one of those dating shows if the women were competing for my attention.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Oh, The Bachelor, The Bachelor?

• 1:37:19Matt Farah?

  The Bachelor, if I was The Bachelor.

• 1:37:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:21Matt Farah?

  I probably would do well.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  Well, you can't lose if you're The Bachelor.

• 1:37:25Matt Farah?

  I'd probably find some love.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't. You can't. By the end of it, you will have a woman.

• 1:37:32Matt Farah?

  You could reputationally lose forever.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:37:36Matt Farah?

  If you act, if you act wrong, you could lose in a big way.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you won't leave single unless, I mean, you'd have to be the worst person in the world.

• 1:37:44Matt Farah?

  You could find someone. I could definitely find someone who would marry me for at least six months on a show.

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  Yes, because they would want it. They're going to launch their career.

• 1:37:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  They've got the whole thing planned out and they're like, he does have a big following. So you could find that at worst. That's a funny answer.

• 1:37:57Matt Farah?

  In 2010, I was on a, on a, a reality show and it was car adjacent, car adjacent, The Amazing Race. I did okay at it. Look at that S-Car go. Recently upgraded an N-A Miata to a low mileage mint C6 Corvette. That is an upgrade. Currently have a short shift conversion and a Borla exhaust. What other upgrades should I do to keep the car reliable and drivable? It's a weekend toy for back country roads. Wheels, tires and brakes, my friend. Nice set of Stop-Tacs, lightweight wheels.

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  Do you have to do anything to the LS of that generation? Like, I know the Z06s, you had to fix the valve guides and if you do that, then they're fine. But like, are there any things like that?

• 1:38:43Matt Farah?

  I think there was some kind of issue with the LS2 of the early C6s that was resolved with the LS3. I don't remember what it was because it was a long time ago, but I think.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  It had a flaw tied to the harmonic, harmonic balancer.

• 1:39:01Matt Farah?

  Harmonic balancer. We did it.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  And O-ring and oil starvation.

• 1:39:03Matt Farah?

  Because we did the harmonic balancer on our giveaway C6 because it was an LS2. That was one of the things we had the shop do. Yeah. Okay. So that, the oil thing, the harmonic balancer. Other than that, and actually, if you wanted to go a little more in-depth, coilovers. Those are, those are, that's what I did to my car and it was still very reliable and very drivable.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  That QA1 kit we did helped it so much.

• 1:39:33Matt Farah?

  That was really good. Yeah. My Chinese law degree is better than yours. Yeah, you see that shit? Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  She can't think on her feet or read.

• 1:39:43Matt Farah?

  Dude, they're running out of people.

• 1:39:48Matt Farah?

  Like the Russian army, they are running out of people.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, did you see Elon's likes after they took out the Russian data center? His likes on his fucking tweets are, it was down.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  They're down a lot. Was it like half the traffic or is that speculation or something?

• 1:40:02Matt Farah?

  It was a lot. It was a lot.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  What a world.

• 1:40:05Matt Farah?

  My Chinese law degree is better than yours. Am I playing with fire? Driving my 991.2 Porsche with PS4Ss to Syracuse next week. Low 40s at night, mid 50s during the day. No, that's fine.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  The temp window's pretty big on those, isn't it?

• 1:40:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, PS4Ss, you gotta get into like the high 30s before it becomes truly problematic. And once you get some heat in them from driving, I mean, if you're, you know, if you, if you go out in the morning and it's low 40s, don't like pull out of the fucking hotel cold and just hammer on it. You get a little heat in there and then you're fine.

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, Michelin says above 45 degrees and up is its optimal temperature. And like, once you're rolling, it's going to heat up beyond that. So you're good.

• 1:40:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're fine. It's a good, it's a good thing to think about though.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  Very good thing to think about.

• 1:40:53Matt Farah?

  And for any of you that have a performance tire and are thinking about driving your car in the winter, like, check that out and do that math. I told you, I told you my New England trip, I've got, I've got normal tires on the Dark Horse SC, which is good. Deactivate cylinder firing in the West Bank. Any product recommendations for cleaning up yellowed but not hazy headlights? Have an orbital polisher and foam pads. Pretty sure Ammo has a, I'm pretty sure Ammo does a headlight restoration kit. And I endorse anything Larry puts his hand on, especially my wife. Does he have one? Ammo headlight restoration?

• 1:41:41Matt Farah?

  My second choice. I'll, I won't even say my second choice.

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, they have a video of restoring headlights. I don't know if it's, if they're cloudy or yellowed. Like, is yellowed, is the plastic breaking down or changing in some way? Because that's different than just polishing off the rough spots.

• 1:41:56Matt Farah?

  Yellowed and cloudy are kind of the same solution. They're nasty ass headlights. It's headlight restoration. It's like the same process. It's like diminishing returns. Like when you, once you do it, it won't take as long for them to get hazy or yellowed again. And so like eventually you do have to replace them. But whatever Larry does in his video is what we do here. I thought he had his own product for it, but if he doesn't, whatever he recommends is what we use and it works. We've done it a bunch.

• 1:42:31Matt Farah?

  She's got a Waymo about her. I live in New York City, looking for a car to buy. We have a dog and take frequent drives out of the city, upstate to Jersey, et cetera. Looking for a utility car, not an enthusiast car. 25K. I'm eyeing RAV4s but open to ideas. I'm not interested in a lease and I can't charge an EV. You have a RAV4. It serves that purpose.

• 1:42:56Speaker 01

  A RAV4 hybrid's great. The only negative is the passenger seat is manual and does not have lumbar adjustable versus the driver's seat. So choose your spec.

• 1:43:06Matt Farah?

  Is there a specification that does?

• 1:43:09Speaker 01

  There's one tier above what we got that does have that.

• 1:43:12Matt Farah?

  The Platinum?

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever they call it. I don't remember. Premium or something like that. But I mean, it's a great car. It's a very known quantity and ours is averaging 40 miles per gallon for the life of the vehicle.

• 1:43:23Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. We have road tripped. Sarah's driven it across the country like five times and we drive it in the city a lot and the average has gone up, I think, a little bit each year. It's pretty good. It was like 39 a year ago. So I love that car and I think it holds a ton of stuff. The ride is fine. The wind noise on the highway is totally fine. But I mean, there's so many things like you could get a CRV.

• 1:43:48Matt Farah?

  A lightly used Subaru Outback, last generation, is all right.

• 1:43:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:53Matt Farah?

  That's a, that's a go anywhere, do anything kind of car.

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  And that will handle the very bumpy roads in New York. Well, we drove the Wilderness. The suspension was really good.

• 1:44:02Matt Farah?

  The Wilderness was good.

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  For bad roads.

• 1:44:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  That might not be cheap enough, but I would definitely drive an Outback.

• 1:44:07Matt Farah?

  40K new and that was two years ago.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 1:44:10Matt Farah?

  They're probably, they're probably in the, in the range.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, look for an Outback.

• 1:44:14Matt Farah?

  Outback Wilderness, maybe Forester Wilderness. The new Outback is weird looking, but the, but the one from like two years ago is, is all right. Yeah. How about that?

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  Mazda CX50?

• 1:44:28Matt Farah?

  That Santa Fe we've got.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Do you have a Santa Fe?

• 1:44:32Matt Farah?

  Not Santa Fe, the Santa Cruz.

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:44:33Matt Farah?

  Went back. Too trucky.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  I think too trucky. If you don't need a truck, then you wouldn't want the bed. Because you can't like put stuff in it and leave it on the street at night. Not in New York City.

• 1:44:44Matt Farah?

  Sig's inside. Love it. One of my clients went over 100K. Wait.

• 1:44:52Matt Farah?

  All right. One of my client, this is a hearsay question. But one of my clients went over 100K miles on his GTR and is going to trade in a Cayenne for a sedan he can take to the track and put car seats in. Presumably that means baby seats?

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:08Matt Farah?

  Considering an F80 M3, but wanted some other suggestions, so I am helpful. Was thinking a Golf R or RS4? No, not on a track. CT4 Blackwing would be excellent, actually, but he's not interested. I mean.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  It's a better M3.

• 1:45:25Matt Farah?

  It is. A sedan to the track? There's so many, there's so few sedans that you would.

• 1:45:31Speaker 01

  C63.

• 1:45:33Matt Farah?

  No. Maybe an Audi RS3. Oh, you think that RS4 is supposed to say RS3? Maybe it's supposed to say RS3.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  RS3 is pretty good.

• 1:45:42Matt Farah?

  But not as good as an F80 M3.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 1:45:44Matt Farah?

  On track.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  But I also think back in those, like when we drove the, we drove the Carbon C63 AMG that was like a 2019, 2018. That car was awesome in the canyons. Like that thing with the 8-speed and stuff, that was a legit car.

• 1:45:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:00Matt Farah?

  Limited options though, especially if you're, but these sedan, especially if it has to be a sedan.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Chevy SS is too old.

• 1:46:11Matt Farah?

  You could get a, like, the new M5 wagon is expensive, but like it does handle track work well.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  I, I think if they're shopping for F80s, they can't, they're not looking to buy a new M5. Like, I'd rather get the M5CS than a new one. That's a way better track car.

• 1:46:29Matt Farah?

  If you got a Hellcat Redeye and, you know, put the right brake pads and fluid on it, those can handle track work pretty, pretty well, actually.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:46:41Matt Farah?

  The longer wheelbase ones, the sedan's.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:44Matt Farah?

  They're, they're a unique kind of good time, but they are a good time.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  Hell, you could go Charger 392 also, like, and do the same thing. Brake pads, fluids. Like, that's what they used to use for school cars at, at Bond Run, now Radford. What happened to the Radford car?

• 1:47:03Matt Farah?

  Don't know.

• 1:47:06Matt Farah?

  No idea. Unsure. Ask Aunt Anstead, is my suspicion.

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:47:13Matt Farah?

  Chevy Uplander School for Kids Who Can't Read. That's pretty good. I may be moving to an area with decent curvy roads and want to get something more interesting, still daily drivable. Two kids, under 60K. The M340i is the first thing that comes to mind. I'm open to other ideas.

• 1:47:33Matt Farah?

  Audi S3.

• 1:47:35Speaker 01

  We're going brand new or?

• 1:47:36Matt Farah?

  If brand new, if used Audi RS3.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  RS3 is great.

• 1:47:40Matt Farah?

  60K will get you, will get you an M3 sedan, lots, all the M3 sedan.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:47:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, McCons, plenty of McCons out there for your two kids and your curvy roads and your everyday driving.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  I mean Golf R, top of mind, but I think I'd rather have the RS3 if I could afford that over the Golf R.

• 1:48:03Matt Farah?

  Two kids and car seats, your fast crossovers are where, where you're looking here, maybe your SQ5. This isn't going to be something to attack roads, it's something that will be like fun when you have the good roads.

• 1:48:16Speaker 01

  Uh, but Thaddeus informed me that some, cause we, I think we had suggested a McCon for someone with kids and if the seat is rear facing, so if the kid's really young and the car seat has to face backwards, those car, those seats aren't actually big enough. Like you need a larger SUV to fit those things. So it depends on how old this person's cars are, but I think if you're shopping 340, that means they're probably front facing kid seat.

• 1:48:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:40Speaker 01

  340, again, use C63.

• 1:48:44Matt Farah?

  Used, used AMG cars are always the answer.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, with the four liter.

• 1:48:49Matt Farah?

  Uh, how many we got? We got two, three left?

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  We have like, oh wow.

• 1:48:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, there's so many.

• 1:48:54Speaker 01

  You want to find one good one?

• 1:48:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, let's find one good one here.

• 1:48:57Speaker 01

  Um, there's that, uh, Rivian.

• 1:49:05Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:49:09Matt Farah?

  I missed what AI just meant to shop in Westchester. Does a genuine E46 M3 CSL provide a drastically more engaging and compelling driving experience than a well-sorted E46 M3 build? Uh, it feels like for the 80K plus Delta between a real one and a fantastic example, you should be able to build some of the modern parts that performs as well, if not better, setting aside the resale value and collectibility. Is there any reason to not go with a quality build or does a CSL just have that X factor?

• 1:49:43Matt Farah?

  Is there anything about a CSL Zach that I, that can't be done in the aftermarket? Does it have a specific steering ratio or specific anything that can't be replicated? I'm not, or like a, like a seam welded chassis or anything like that? I'm not, I'm not sure if you can't build a fake CSL that would be the same to the driver. I'm not sure there are any real differences. And while he's looking that up, for a lot of people, having a real one, as you say in your last sentence, is very important. The difference between having a real CSL and having a, a modded, uh, one is, is important. I know someone, it also depends how long you want to keep it.

• 1:50:27Matt Farah?

  We had a client at WCCS that spent a lot of money turning a non CSL into a very convincing CSL clone and only to not really be that impressed with the overall driving experience for how much money he spent. He went to go sell it and he lost like a lot of money, like right away. And if he had a real CSL, he could have got out of it for probably what he got into it for, um, which you really can't do with a, with a modded car. Um, Zach, is there any?

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  I found a very long list, um, of all the differences, but the ones you may not be able to change are, it has a different traction control system with an M-Track mode, um, but you could just.

• 1:51:16Matt Farah?

  I think I've heard of people doing CSL tunes, but, but you would.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  There are those, like it has a different ECU tune, but you can also just do that. Uh, but it does have a shorter steering ratio of 14.5 to one compared to the 15.4 on the M3.

• 1:51:31Matt Farah?

  Now, but I don't know how easy it is to get that part, maybe someone else makes it, but like sometimes like, you know, when it, when it's like they seam weld the chassis or they do shit that's like, you know, genuinely. Integra type R, the Subaru, uh, 209, that special edition with, with the carbon roof and stuff like, you know, sometimes that would be prohibitively expensive to do in the aftermarket and you can get close, but not exactly. Um, with this one, it seems like it's probably possible to get very, very close.

• 1:52:02Speaker 01

  Really, really close.

• 1:52:03Matt Farah?

  Um, and I doubt the, and you can get really close for less than the Delta for sure, but the difference is when you go to sell it, you're not going to get that money back.

• 1:52:15Matt Farah?

  Good question though. That's our program. Thank you all for, uh, for listening, watching, however it is you consume this product and uh, we'll see you guys very soon. Bye-bye.