Cybertruck Dead (or is it?); New Flat-plane Ford; Urus Hyrbid Review

Ford teases a new Mustang; Matt Farah reviews the Lamborghini Urus SE; we discuss Miami and its car culture; the Cybertruck is no more (or IS IT?); and Patreon questions include: Is Ford bringing back the flat-plane crank motor? Model with the most change from launch to death? Manual swap XKR/XJR = cool? Replace my Lexus ISF. How to experience the widest variety of driving dynamics. Porsche Spyder RS or GT4RS? How to tell a friend, "I don't want to drive your car?" Is all Ferrari's profit from options? Did Omega suffer the same fate as Maserati? Used GLA45 AMG a bargain rally car? How to set up your E46 M3 for track time. Obscure colors we love. Does a Singer DRIVE like a million dollars? Recorded November 11, 2026 Show Notes Avants https://avants.com/tst use code TST for 10% off your membership! Baerskin Get twenty dollars off the BAERSkin Hoodie 5.0. Text TIRE to 36912 and they’ll send the link straight to your phone. And if you’re on the move, they’ll hold the deal so it’s there when you’re ready. Drive With Jim Farley Check out Drive with Jim Farley at https://lnk.to/drivewithjimfarleyPS!thesmokingtire Casper Right now, save 30% on mattresses and up to 35% on everything else when you go to Casper.com CashApp Download Cash App today. Click here to get started: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/nocc2385 #CashAppPartner Quince Give the gift of quality this holiday season. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://Quince.com. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too. And when Quince asks where you heard about them, let them know it was The Smoking Tire Podcast. Ethos Get your free quote at https://ETHOS.com/tire Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:42Matt Farah?

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• 1:03Speaker 01

  From the south and the west, joining together once again.

• 1:06Matt Farah?

  And of the west, we have a remote show today. I know everyone loves a remote show. Zach and I's favorite thing too. But we were supposed to go on an Iguana Safari with Marty the Shaman and, and uh, help cure the uh, overgrowth of the Iguana population in South Central Florida. But he got COVID and not just any COVID. He got the like, the DeSantis COVID. He got that real, you know, what was that shit croc? Where people were eating each other's faces, whatever that shit was, the bath salts COVID. Remember that?

• 1:46Speaker 01

  People were smoking bath salts and one guy went crazy on it.

• 1:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they called it like gator, like lizard or croc or something like that.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Well, that, I think that's two different things. There was a drug that Vice did a story on where you, if you did it too much, your skin would peel off and you would look like a crocodile. And that was a couple of years after I think the bath salts incident.

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  Okay, I'm conflating Florida drug scandals. Is that what I'm doing?

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Indeed. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Um, but yeah, Marty and his wife got very sick.

• 2:16Matt Farah?

  They got the super COVID.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  Um, and uh, so no Iguana hunting and therefore Zach went back to Los Angeles. And uh, I'm here on the back porch and uh, in South Carolina. Um, and so yay, so we talked to each other like this. This is just how it is. Um, spent the weekend in Miami. Interesting town, I gotta say. Uh, it's crazy fucking place. It's such a strange town. I mean, fun people. I mean, the best people. We had some really amazing food.

• 2:53Matt Farah?

  And uh, and not, we had some amazing food directly because my Miami friends are super, not just foodies, but like hooked up in the food industry and can like make things happen. But uh, ate some really good food and then, and, and drove a 789 horsepower Lamborghini. 27 miles an hour maximum for like four and a half days.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I saw more Urus in the wild there than I've ever seen anywhere else. Like just the, the morning that I left with Sarah, we're sitting in the lift. I saw three like going into garages for work and stuff. Uh, I think I saw total of five or six. Yeah, it, it does. It seems to suit that uh, environment really well.

• 3:42Matt Farah?

  It was, and, and, and yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll review the Urus in, in just a minute. But um, I had to, I, I had to go to the concourse club to run a few laps just to see what it was like, you know, in a corner or like under any kind of braking load or at more than 5% throttle application.

• 4:04Matt Farah?

  Because you don't use any of those things driving around Miami. It's so silly. Uh, the number of Aventadors and you know, Huracads and uh, SF90s. And I mean, the, the incredible uh, dynamic machines just puttering. They're just at a full, a full putter. Uh, it was a, it was a crazy sight. There's nowhere to drive these cars and yet these people buy them like crazy.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  I mean, I guess that's why Concord Club is so popular, right? Because there's no, there's no corners anywhere. So if you want to go beyond just flaunting your wealth at the, at the valet stand, um, then you go to the Concord Club.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a crazy town. Um, if you like cars, because there's almost nowhere to actually drive them. Um, but there's a million places to see them, which is, which is really funny. Like it's the perfect like car spotters town, right? Cause it's a whole bunch of people that essentially just want to be spotted. Like that's all, it's all they're doing. It's like the subject and the photographer. And like, that's really it.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it's a car town that's really built upon or anchored in just being seen or being at like, it's like the Cars and Coffee Anchor Town. Cause in LA, there's a lot of those. But also we had, you know, the mountains, like there's more place, there's more ways to like cars in Los Angeles. But in Miami, there's like one way to like them. It's just to see them and be seen in them.

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  If I, if I live down there, I don't, which would be, that would be tough for me. But if I did, the humidity would kill me. But uh, I would, the only way I could do it is if I got into boats. I mean, I am into boats, but if I became, you know, instead of being car guy, boat guy, because you know, you could do whatever in a boat. I mean, it's, it's, you know, the, it's literally, you know, open sea. So that, that's the Miami boat culture. It's at least like people buy sick boats and there's fucking huge yachts everywhere. And who knows where the shady money comes from, but at least you could like use the thing for the thing. Like at least there's like a usefulness to it, uh, to a certain degree.

• 6:21Matt Farah?

  I saw a guy as I was waiting for them to bring the car around the valet, uh, leaving the hotel on the last day. Guy in a manual GT3, uh, new one stick. And I, you know, you can hear when they're driving it, that it's a stick. He was being, you know, quite revvy with it and had exhaust on it. Um, just in traffic, being very revvy and loud. And I'm like, that doesn't even look fun. Like that looks so, that's not fun. Like what are you doing, man?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  How, how old was the driver?

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  I couldn't see because black tinted windows are not only legal in Florida, but like mandatory. Um, so uh, it was, it was crazy, but we were there for that time, time to drive festival. And Zach, have you gotten the audio files from that yet?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Uh, no.

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  Okay. So if you're a patron, maybe you'll get to hear our show. Um, if, if a file does uh, at some point arrive, but it, you know, I, I loved the concept of the event. Uh, you know, watch people and, and car people uh, together. And I thought it was a very aesthetically cool event. We saw some really cool cars. I mean, I can't stop talking about the lifted Ferrari Luso ran into the old Safari car. The lifted Luso was very sick.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  What a perfect thing. I'm so excited. I, I saw it at uh, Concord and I was like, oh, this is my favorite car here immediately. And then you talked to the owners and they said, oh, they're sending them to the West Coast. We get to drive them. I mean, this is the greatest Christmas gift.

• 7:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, that just, that was just ridiculous. Um, and you know, some really cool AMGs. The very famous Hammer that did the top speed test back in the day was there. Um, you know, that, that this uh, Zach just pulled up a picture of a Mercedes 560 that had a V12 and a manual swap, which was pretty badass. Actually that, that was really a lot of cool AMGs down there. AMGs are perfect South Florida cars, automatic gearbox, you know, comfy, fine when you're going slow and then you stomp it on the highway. I mean, that's, that's what those cars are really for. Um, and some of the watches were really amazing. I mean, there was, there was a lot of um,

• 8:41Matt Farah?

  cool uh, dealers that I've only seen online. I got to say hi to and a lot of, a lot of um, uh, brands. I mean, Grand Seiko is there, Oris was there. Uh, some of the more uh, uh, cool independent brands were there as well as like crazy stuff like Jacob and um, you know, Richard Mille and um, Armin Strom and some really like, you know, high end hot, hot horology kind of stuff, um, which was, which was cool to see. And, and you get to try on, try on watches that maybe you've only seen, you know, on the internet. Yeah. And, and, and talk to some of those PR folks and, and, and, and salespeople.

• 9:23Matt Farah?

  And uh, yeah, there was this guy, Zach just pulled up a photo of this guy had a case of Jorn's and this one briefcase, and also there's three Carri Voodoo Linens on the bottom of that too. So that one case is probably like $5 million. Um, and there's, it was just, and it was just a dude with a briefcase, you know? Um, really, really crazy stuff, but also, but not everything. I mean, a lot of things there were very expensive, but not everything. I mean, Oris is a very affordable brand. I saw some, I saw a lot of G-Shock stuff. I saw people wearing cool vintage watches, uh, that were all over the price um, spectrum.

• 10:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, Zach's wife Sarah brought her grandfather's watch, which was super cool or great, great, it was a great grandfather's watch.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Hundred and, 101 year old watch.

• 10:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, restored, very, very cool. And, and I was wearing the Grand Seiko Ushio, which just won the Sports Watch Prize at the Grand Prix de Horology de Geneva, which boy did I.

• 10:32Matt Farah?

  I'm not doing the accent, but it's basically the biggest. It's like uh like Sundance Film Festival or that kind of thing. It's a big industry uh thing, competition for new watches and new watch technology. And so there's categories like the Oscars and then there's a grand prize.

• 10:55Matt Farah?

  Uh and and Grant's this watch, the Ushio with the UFA Ultra Fine Adjusted Movement won the sports watch prize. So that's pretty.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  What is the criteria for the sports watch prize? Is that just like, you know, the way the category the watch is in, the way it looks, but like,

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• 14:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sports watch. I don't know how you specifically enter the sports watch category. I mean, my guess is it's, you know, a steel or titanium, you know, mass-produced watch that's designed to be water-resistant and tough. I mean, I think sports watch, it's like, it's like porn, you know, you don't, you don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it, you know? Uh, that kind of thing. Well, there's different, I think in, in, in, if you look at the list of categories, there's like, you know, time only and complications and, and whatever. And so usually those other watches are these very, you know, beautiful, super handmade ostrich straps and, you know, they're hundreds of thousands of dollars kind of thing.

• 15:30Matt Farah?

  And the sports watch is usually a steel or titanium watch that regular people can buy, basically. I'm sure there is a written list of qualifications, but every year the winner is like a cool, but like normal watch, you know?

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Got it. Do you know why Grand Seiko won for this, won this year? Like, was there?

• 15:51Matt Farah?

  Well, this watch has the, has the, uh, the Ultra Fine Adjusted Movement, what they call the UFA Spring Drive Movement, which is the most accurate mechanical wristwatch movement ever made. So usually a watch is, you know, uh, 10 to 20 seconds a month off. Either way, it will, it will veer from, from that, a mechanical watch. Uh, this watch is, is something like 20 seconds a year. And so it's, it's orders of magnitude more accurate than anything else in the category. And so that is very, very cool.

• 16:35Matt Farah?

  It's also a new design language for Grand Seiko with the tapered bracelet and a new, this new locking clasp design, like pretty much everything on this watch is fully new. And so I think they're being recognized for all of that. This watch is the watch where it's like they read five years of forum posts complaining about a bunch of stuff that they do and then fix it all in one watch.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Nice. That's great. Instead of rolling out the fixes every year.

• 17:07Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 17:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the movement came out last year in, in, in one watch before this, but this is the first time it's been in a diver. So that's pretty cool. Um, and so it's good for them. Yeah, it's good for them. But I mean, what did you, you know, other than the, the, the cars as costumes, what did you think of? Of the Miami scene?

• 17:32Speaker 01

  I think, I mean, Miami has a fun energy to it that feels a bit like uh, New York on vacation. And some of that is the weather and it's warm and people are, you know, dressed in clothing that they would only wear in a warm, humid climate, um, or not very, not very dressed in, uh, something. Um, a lot of scantily, scantily clad people, men and women, uh, because it's hot and they also want to, uh, attract a mate.

• 18:01Matt Farah?

  Um, people are fit down there. I mean, really, people are very fit. Yeah.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Because you can't cover up with clothing because it'd be too warm. Uh, so I like that side of it seemed really fun. Like when we went out to dinner a couple of places and there was just like this vibrant energy that I don't think you get at whatever restaurant or scene in Los Angeles. Like there's just, it just seems like there's more to it down there like you get in, in New York. Um, but you know, there's also

• 18:31Speaker 01

  just like all the, all the high rises being built and some of them seem very empty. And we've heard, I heard from a couple of different Uber drivers that the city's changing and some of the buildings, this is all speculation, like might be money laundering. Um, and we know that like the ocean's creeping up on, on the land. So it's a, it's, it seems a bit of like.

• 18:54Matt Farah?

  The city of hubris.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, a city of hubris with a lot of, um, like extroversion, similar, you know, LA has some of it. There's a lot of, uh, Venn diagram there, but it's a different flavor in Miami.

• 19:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  So, but I, I, for a couple of days, I really liked it and we had a great time down there and we got some good recommendations from patrons and from your friends and we had fun, like fun chats on our panels. So like overall, I was like, this is a pretty fun place. And I, you know, took a second, I go, I couldn't live here because it's like,

• 19:27Matt Farah?

  No, Miami's great for one week a year in the right city. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  But I, I get why people live there for a little bit, if they're a certain kind of person.

• 19:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it does. If you have a boat, because I, I, I've never had a boat down there, but I have, I do have a friend who has a boat. And the lifestyle that he describes to me is incredible. Really, really good.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Huge, you know, Sarah and I had some time to kill the last day and so we went to the aquarium. And Miami's like right next to the giant reef, uh, that's at the edge, the southern tip of Florida, which is like the third largest reef in the world. Now, first place is Great Barrier Reef and it's way bigger. It is, but it's surviving a little better. I think Madi explained that like the shelf, it's much cooler, but yeah, the reef is dying and, and, uh, the museum, or the aquarium had, you know, a reef in there. And I looked at it, I went, is this what the BVI used to look like? And Sarah goes, yeah. And I just, I got real depressed. Like the bleaching is.

• 20:29Matt Farah?

  Dude, you should have seen

• 20:33Matt Farah?

  uh, what those, the, the stuff that we snorkelled when we were down there in March. You know, I snorkelled that shit in the nineties and it was a different, different world. It was, it was really, really vivid colors and, and, and it was really extraordinarily beautiful and it is all kind of one gray now. And it's sad.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's black and white versus color, uh, which is, which is such a bummer. So, but you know, if you're down there and maybe they, that's a different problem to fix that we can't solve. But yeah, having access to the water, like it, right there and you could pop over and do all kinds of boat things and be really fun.

• 21:15Matt Farah?

  You can take boats to places like the boat, a boat can, is like almost a second car if you, if you're rolling like that, you know? Um, but yeah, speaking of, speaking of a car, um, the Oris, uh, this, the Oris and I put, I have some photos on the gram. Um, this is the SE, which is, uh, right now, the only Oris on sale. There will be an SE Performante coming, but right now it's just the SE, um, which is a plug-in hybrid. Um, and you know, it has a ton of power. Uh, it's not, it's not completely different from like a Cayenne Turbo S hybrid setup.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  It's, it, uh, it's similar, uh, four liter V8, whole bunch of power there, pretty much the same as before. Plus hybrid motor and your total is 789, uh, horsepower. So it's a lot. Got about 30 miles of electric range. Um, and the rest is the same, uh, really Oris that, uh, as we got before. Has air suspension. It's got, it's sort of set up a little more for comfort. Um, you can get crazy colors and crazy interiors. Um, and

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  a little context, I, I've driven all of the Orises, the, the, the base one in 2020. I did like 3,500 miles on and I went on the launch and I really liked it. I mean, it was expensive, but it drove beautifully. It was a great place to spend your time. It was comfortable and very fast and very agile. Um, as is the S, which is really just a, a, a slightly turned up version of the base one. The Performante, uh, I didn't love that much. They got rid of the adaptive air suspension. They put in a bunch of lightweighting bits, uh, to make something that was already very fast go. In my opinion, unnecessarily faster at the expense of comfort. Right? So I didn't love the Performante.

• 23:16Matt Farah?

  It did the thing they said it was gonna do. It goes faster. Um, and to be fair, I know someone who owns a Performante, Sergio, uh, and loves it. I mean, loves it, you know? And so, okay, fine. Um, and so the, the, the SE, um, I wanted to try it. I didn't really think I would like it that much because philosophically, I, I've never been in the mentality of, I want to be in a grand green Lamborghini. And also I want to be either silent or incredibly fuel efficient. Right? Um, it's a, it was an easy, it was an easy opportunity for Lamborghini.

• 24:02Matt Farah?

  If they want to in- increase their corporate average fuel economy, if they want to sell Orises in certain markets where, uh, having a plug-in hybrid solves a lot of issues like, I get it. Um, but I didn't think it would be, uh, the, the best version of the Oris. And this past week kind of told me I was right. I, I, I found that, um, I, it was fine in electric mode, but I never really wanted to be in electric mode. And then when you, you couldn't, they're like the Temerario, there wasn't really a mode that runs the gas engine constantly, but without the super aggressive sporty shifts and everything.

• 24:45Matt Farah?

  So if you want to just drive it as a gas car, you're in sport mode, which in Miami traffic feels kind of stupid, actually. Um, it's like really burbly. It's like the most burbly burble tune ever.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it needs like a, it needs a comfort driving setting, but in gas.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

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• 27:50Matt Farah?

  Right, Zach, so I, if you put it in strada, which is street, or normally strada is a hybrid mode and the engine turns on and off all the time. And you really don't want that because this engine's loud. Um, the move is if you put it in strada, but then put the engine, put it in charge mode to where the engine puts juice into the batteries, the engine will run and the shifts will be smoother. It's still loud, but that's the closest you can do, but you have to force that.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Right. You had to do it through the screen.

• 28:29Matt Farah?

  Yes, you have to force it through the screen and you also are burning gas to charge the battery, right? Like it is, it's less efficient, um, because it's not just running the engine for propulsion. It's running it to add high voltage power to the high voltage battery. So, so like the Temerario, there really isn't like the perfect drive mode. There is an ego mode, which is your individual mode and you can set that up. But it isn't. If you, if in ego mode, you use strada as your powertrain, that will be hybrid. And then you then have to put it in the recharge mode anyway. So it doesn't actually solve that problem. Okay?

• 29:15Matt Farah?

  Now maybe people don't care. Maybe they don't care if the engine's turning on and off all the time. Okay, fine. The engine turns on and off all the time. That may or may not bother you. Um, and look, when you're, you know, when you're puttering around in traffic or commuting like it's an Oris, it's still, it steers like an Oris, it feels like an Oris. The in- the interior is virtually unchanged. Zach witnessed me getting into an enormous fight with CarPlay,

• 29:42Matt Farah?

  which absolutely refused to recognize my phone for like 20 minutes. Um, no, it did. It recognized my phone, but it never like did the final thing when the screen becomes my CarPlay screen. It just went into a spiral. Eventually.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, there was that at first where it just, it would have like a pop-up screen at the bottom where it, it should have said, let you hit the button to like connector final, but it, the, the button was grayed out. Like the, the little square that popped up had nothing in it, but it was waiting for you to tell it something, but it wasn't allowing you to do that. So that was the first issue it had.

• 30:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And then there was some kind of delay happening where the GPS Google Maps screen would freeze for five to 10 seconds. And, you know, reappear at the worst possible time. When I'm about to like miss my turn.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  There was a significant delay between the display on the center screen and where your phone's GPS knew you were. And we were AV testing this because after like literally 10 minutes of fighting with it and re- reconnecting it, thinking it would fix it. I pulled out my phone as passenger and just, you know, punched in the same address, running the same GPS on the phone. And mine was working flawlessly. Like it knew, but yours was like, you're on this street now, you're over on this street. It was jumping around, it was pausing, it was very problematic.

• 31:05Matt Farah?

  Very, very weird. Um, so it, it was, it was having issues like that with the CarPlay, but, but otherwise, you know, as a very expensive way to putter around Miami. And like I said, we didn't, we didn't exceed 30 miles an hour for four straight days. I mean, truly, we didn't. Um, and, uh, a- and so, you know, okay, fine. And maybe that's not the best use of $300,000. Um, but then I went to the concourse club. I did not ask permission to do this. I asked the tracks permission. I did not ask Lamborghini's, but, but there's no corners or straightaways or anything in Miami. And I was like, I just have to see.

• 31:51Matt Farah?

  It wasn't about doing a track test. I literally called Aaron at the concourse club and I said, look, man, I want to run like, just like I'm driving it on a canyon road. You know, like just to feel this thing out. I don't even really need to push it. I just need a couple of corners and braking zones, something. So they were very kind, uh, and let it, let me have a half hour. Uh, which is all I needed. Um, look how Adam Bellin took this picture, Zach. How great a photo is that?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Really good photo.

• 32:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, my buddy Adam came out with me. He's, he, he took us out to dinner, uh, uh, the first night and, and he wanted to see the club and I was like, you can come, but you have to take pictures of me driving. And it's a good shot there. Um, so dude, this was so weird. I, I had about three quarters of a, uh, charge in the high voltage battery. Okay. Which is plenty to deploy all the horsepower, but not so full that the regenerative braking has nowhere to go. Right? If you charge to a hundred percent and then you try in a hybrid or an EV and then you, you don't necessarily think about

• 33:01Matt Farah?

  this, you lose regenerative braking until the high voltage battery goes down enough for there to be somewhere to put that energy. Right?

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Right?

• 33:12Matt Farah?

  It, it happens in my Taycan. It bugs me the fuck out because when I charge to a hundred percent at home, I hope this doesn't give too much away, but when I leave my house, I go downhill and the first half of the Taycan's brake pedal is regen. And you know, if I leave my house with half a charge, it feels a certain way. If I leave with a full charge, it feels a very different way. In the Mach E, which had one pedal drive, the Taycan does not, it was much, much different. The one pedal drive would be gone, which was really weird. Um, and you'd have to get the

• 33:49Matt Farah?

  charge down to like below 96 or 7% before you got one pedal drive back. Um, yeah. So the all is that, all of that is to say that in the Oris, um, which by the way, I didn't mention it, but it's a, it's a single motor generator flywheel, just like the Cayenne turbo hybrid and Panamera turbo hybrids. It's exactly the same, uh, architecture setup, basically. Obviously Lamborghini has their own tune, tuning for these systems, but, but they're essentially the same hardware. The Oris also has a new E diff as well compared to previous Orises. The SE gets a new E diff. Um, and high voltage suspension controllers. So the suspension,

• 34:36Matt Farah?

  the, the chassis on track was the best thing about it. It was balanced through corners, although it had fucking no grip. And I mean, nothing until I dropped 15 PSI out of the tires. 15. It was also, you know, it was a warm day. Um, I, I ran two laps just as it was. The car sat, you know, it sat for two hours, charging, and then I went straight onto the track, stock pressures, and it was terrible. Uh, I was, I was absolutely shocked. The first time I hit the brakes, and

• 35:18Matt Farah?

  remember the Oris has the largest rotor caliper setup of any production. Six, it's like a 16 inch rotor, 10 piston caliper and a hybrid, uh, motor generator to regen.

• 35:34Matt Farah?

  But the battery pack is 800 pounds. And it weighs, so this thing weighs 5,600 pounds.

• 35:44Matt Farah?

  When I, I hit the brakes at the end of the front straight at the five board and not only did I not make the apex, I thought I was going to hit the wall.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, this thing had, and, and, and granted, these were cold rotors, right? But like no brakes. And I, and I said to Adam, I was like, what the fuck? And then I did the second half of the lap.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  Really going, going slower, braking earlier and trying to build some heat in the brakes. Once I built a little bit of heat in the brakes and they started to work better.

• 36:26Matt Farah?

  I realized I had, I was just no turn it, just so much understeer. And then, which when I got on the power and the, and the boost came onto the engine would actually, cause I turned off traction control, would actually become oversteer at the exit. So the diff worked.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 36:44Matt Farah?

  You could absolutely slide the Oris on the exit of every hairpin at the Concourse Club.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Was, was the reason the brakes weren't very good in the beginning was, do you think that also had something to do with the cold tires? So there's no grip and this, the ABS system was so quick and refined that it knew, like if it had clamped harder, you would have locked up. And so therefore it reduced brake pressure on the rotor itself.

• 37:07Matt Farah?

  So you, I think what you're saying is that instead of a traditional pulsing ABS system, it just gripped the rotor less. I don't think that's how that works.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Hmm. Okay.

• 37:17Matt Farah?

  I, no, no, I, after the first time, after it didn't work the first time, the next lap, just to show Adam that I wasn't bullshitting, I went to, I stood on the brake pedal. I got up to 120 miles an hour and I, I, the pedal made contact with the floorboard.

• 37:40Matt Farah?

  It just, it, I mean, it, it didn't, I didn't hit the wall. It didn't, you know, I, the car did come to a stop. I gave myself plenty of room, but it did not come to the stop, to a stop with the kind of performance that I would expect from this type of vehicle.

• 37:56Matt Farah?

  And it really never did. It, it really never did. And, and, and I found myself, and then I dropped, then I went into the pits. I did a cool down. I had run like not even three laps, but I did a cool down, went into the pits. The tires, which were at 38, had now gone up to 49. I dropped them to 35 all around. And I went back out. Now I was able to turn it. The brakes were still not very good, but were consistently bad. Like it didn't, it didn't stop like it should have stopped for a $300,000 SUV, super SUV with the biggest brakes ever. But it

• 38:40Matt Farah?

  didn't stop, it stopped better than like a Corolla, you know, or something. So it, I had to brake at the four board, most places, but I did get it stopped and turned in. And at, but as I was going through the corners, I recalled when I had the stock Oris on racetracks, two different times. And I remember it was a few years ago, but being super impressed with the agility, super impressed with the turn in, the mid-corner balance and being like, huh? Maybe, maybe this actually kind of is a Lambo a little bit, you know, and having, having a good time with it being kind of like a rally car, a little bit.

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  This just wasn't like that. It just felt like a pig. It just was pushy. I had to go through corners like really slow. You know, if I matted the throttle at the apex, it would step the back out, you know, uh, on the way out in third gear, which is pretty cool. Um,

• 39:42Speaker 01

  What tires were on it? Cause like, you know, I'm thinking of,

• 39:45Matt Farah?

  Regular P0s.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. So like when we had the, when we had the, uh, Cayenne Turbo GT, obviously it's, you know, the highest performance Cayenne they've got.

• 39:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  But it was also, it had, you know, crazy camber, all the, all the stories, but also had really sticky tires and it didn't have that hybrid battery pack. So it's lighter and stickier.

• 40:02Matt Farah?

  The Bentley GT Speed had regular P0s. And that thing, I mean, granted, and that's almost exactly the same powertrain as this thing uses, by the way. It's the same, same, it's a lot of the same setup, um, in that, and, um, but it's all lower. You know, it's different geometries and it's lower. This is, this is up tall.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:23Matt Farah?

  You know, it just, it, it just, it, it, the hybrid system doesn't add any Lamborghini-ness to any of it. You know, like it just doesn't, it doesn't make it feel more like a Lambo. And it doesn't, I mean, yeah, I guess you can drive around on EV, but like who, who wants to buy a Lambo to drive around on EV? Like that, where is that customer? I don't, what is the Venn diagram of that? Guys, support for this show comes today from Drive with Jim Farley. That's right. You guys are always asking me what I'm listening to when I'm not recording this show, but right now it's the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. That's right. Ford CEO Jim Farley, cousin of Chris Farley,

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• 43:16Matt Farah?

  I don't, what is the Venn diagram of that?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I mean, it's probably people going to London so they have, they can avoid the consumption tax. And like, if you want a cold start in the morning and if you don't want a cold start, you just want to leave your neighborhood. But otherwise, it's definitely not additive. Like when we drove a Revolto, that has electric hybrid system. But then you get torque fill, then you get just, you know, enhanced speed. And this probably does that, but it's so unnoticed. Who cares? Oh, right. Plus magic steering.

• 43:45Matt Farah?

  It's different. I mentally, and there's probably people out there going, but why would you want to drive a Panamera around in electric? Something about my brain and maybe, maybe your brain or maybe not. Driving a Porsche, especially a sedan, Porsche sedan or an SUV in electric makes much more sense to me than, I mean, pull up the picture of an, of the Urus. That, that is, I don't see EV there. Do you, Zach? Am I, am I crazy? Am I, am I just being an idiot here?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Uh, let me hit the thing. Well, no, I think Lamborghini has always been, you know, one of the most extroverted cars due to its appearance, the color palette, the sound, right? I mean, now there's hypercars that, that do what Lamborghini did, but Lamborghini was always about the show. Even if they weren't the best performers out there, aside from like, you know, they'd make the SV and that would finally turn and stop and rip on a track. But for the most part, it was for people to like to stunt around. And that's, I mean, look, this thing is bright lime green. It's really loud. And I think Porsche has always been a respected, but more subtle car compared to the Lamborghini.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  You know, if someone in a neighborhood owns a 911 Turbo and if someone went and bought an equivalently priced Lamborghini, you, you had an idea of who those personalities were. And that's, that's fine. Like that's what's great about cars is you can, you can signal whatever you want about your personality. But this is taking, you know, this like rock star car, meaning rock star, meaning, you know, big wig, crazy outfit, you know, loud music. And then they're adding, and then it's, it's them walking in, in like carrying a green juice. But they're 24 year old, 24 years old, you know, selling out like the garden and you just, your brain kind of goes, huh? Like I wasn't expecting that person to be consuming this beverage.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  You know, where's your Bud Light and, and your rails? So that, that's kind of what I think, think about this. And they added the tech because they could, but it doesn't elevate the Lamborghini-ness. The tech doesn't, you know, really help the, like the, the efficiency too much. And at this level, who cares? Like these people don't care about gas prices. So yeah, it's, it's probably one of those things that's just there because some people asked for it for whatever reason. And so, and they had the tech, they could put it in there without, you know, changing the entire car.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and corporate average fuel economy is a real thing, even if you're Lamborghini. Particularly if you're part of the fucking Volkswagen group. I mean, you're not, you're not getting away from that without something. And Lamborghini said a couple of years ago that their entire lineup would be electrified. So, you know, we should expect

• 46:39Matt Farah?

  probably an electrified Urus from here on out. And, and maybe you can change the tires. Maybe there's a, a Performante spec brake pad or something. But I, I've taken regular Uruses on tracks a bunch and driven them in the manner that, that I would drive a car on a track. Really ripped on these things pretty hard and they, in my experience are fun and balanced. And as long as you cool the brakes after four or five laps, they, they really do take a, take a beating in, in the way you would want an expensive Lamborghini to. And, and they're, they're cool.

• 47:22Matt Farah?

  This one, I enjoyed the least of, of any of them I've driven really. And that, that was a little disappointing. There's a, there is a Performante SE coming. So one of the reasons I didn't like the original Performante is it got rid of the air suspension and did a fixed damper, which in a luxury SUV, Performante or not, is pretty stupid. The new Performante SE has a two-chamber air suspension system that I believe is derived from the Cayenne Turbo GT's system. And so that is probably going to be much better.

• 48:03Matt Farah?

  But yeah, man, it was, it was tough.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  But I would say like, in cars I've driven that have the single aero chamber system, and I think the Maserati Grecoli Trofeo I just drove has that. When you start really hustling them and, and doing lots of, you know, lefts, rights, like, you, you quickly realize the limits of that, of that shock and of that damper. Like when it compresses, it just feels strange. It doesn't feel that settled. It pushes back on you in weird ways, like the rebound's kind of awkward compared to the, the two chambers amazing. The two chamber feels like a, a, you know, as close to a really good coil over as an air suspension can feel. So I think with the old Performante, if they weren't going to put the two-chamber system on there, I'm fine with it being a normal damper because look, if it's going to be

• 48:48Speaker 01

  the quote, track oriented, back, back road oriented super performance Urus, which is, which is not the kind of vehicle I want, but you know, Sergio or other people want it, then like, yeah, give it suspension that is really, shines in the corners and does everything else worse.

• 49:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, you know, now that they've done the, the Storato, I think there should be an Urus Storato. That, that to me would lean into Urus-ness in the, in the way that a Ford Raptor leans into its F150-ness or, or whatever. You know what I mean? Like so.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  Ah, that's, that's what I would love to see.

• 49:31Matt Farah?

  That'll be a good time.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, you know, Land Rover Octa. So do that with, do that with this. You have the great sound. You have the ride height already. Make a soft suspension with a lot of sidewall. Cause these, these tires also around Miami city. Like there was a ton of vibration and harsh edges coming through the seat. I was pretty surprised at how, you know, kind of uncomfortable the ride or jarring the ride was over little expansion joints and like, uh, speed bumps and stuff.

• 49:57Matt Farah?

  Well, some of that was because I would flick it into sport mode to turn the engine on, which would stiffen the shocks.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That could be it too. If you played, if you drove around in EV, it was better and the shocks were soft, but yeah.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  But Lamborghini lent us the car and we do appreciate that.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  And it was certainly an interesting time. Before we go to, uh, well, we have one, two more. Things. One I thought was very interesting, you know, the Cybertruck is being canceled because of course it is. But, uh, and two, two funny things about that Pontiac sold more Aztecs by a lot than they sold Cybertrucks. In case you think that was successful. Um, and also,

• 50:45Matt Farah?

  did you see today's act that unplugged performance has offered to buy the entire Cybertruck production system and continue self-building and selling the trucks?

• 50:58Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So this is pretty funny. The guy from unplugged performance, the guy who owns it, that unplugged performance is like a Tesla tuner, right? But they also are upfitting Cybertrucks to be like armored and to be like police vehicles. And like they've invested a lot of money into upfitting Cybertrucks, right? And Elon, instead of just saying, this was a bad idea. I'm a huge failure at it. Is saying, well, it's the, it's the, it's the capability. We can't possibly build them. We don't have enough capability to, to build them. We have to focus on the cybercabs. That's bullshit. They have so much capability. But this guy,

• 51:39Matt Farah?

  Ben, who is a true believer, by the way, he is a, he is a Tesla true believer, this guy.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Well, they've, they've been in the Tesla aftermarket market. I mean, they were the first movers probably and they, for people like, they're the ones who campaigned the car up Pike's Peak every year. Randy Pope's drove for them.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Um, so that's, that's kind of who unplugged is. Yeah.

• 52:00Matt Farah?

  And there's some very smart people who work there. And the one thing their head tech told me when I went down there, because I interviewed this guy, Ben, uh, and, and well, their head, I was like, this, this is a true believer, this guy. And their tech told me, he's like, look, one of the reasons you should send a Tesla here is because we nut and bolt the whole car.

• 52:23Matt Farah?

  And, you know, if we're going to do a suspension or whatever on it, we're going to, we nut and bolt the whole car. He said, at least 50% of the cars that come in here are outright missing bolts. And so he said, it is worth it for you to send us your Tesla just to have us look at it and make sure that the parts are all on it that are supposed to be there. This was their head tech told me that when I was visiting, which is crazy. Okay. But Elon says that the problem is capacity. They can't do the capacity. So this guy goes, well, we'll take on, we'll, we'll, so he's essentially calling him out.

• 53:04Matt Farah?

  He's essentially saying, if you can't do it, you know, we could do it. We'll do it. We've gotten, we've raised the money. We could do it. And, but if he doesn't.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Would unplugged build like an, an assembly plant and everything else needed to make?

• 53:18Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Whoa, that's, and, and you know, I'm reading this article on electric and so, uh, unplugged performance has some contracts to like turn Cybertrucks into police vehicles and do, do a bunch of upfitting. So they're like, hey, we have to protect our business. So if you stop making this truck, then we can't do these things. But I'm still surprised that someone like that would, I guess, have or build the capability to, to make an assembly line and then produce this vehicle. That's a huge step for them.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Well, they wouldn't have to make an assembly line. They could buy the, they could buy what's already there. It just has to be moved. So you just, you do need, you need a big building.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Warehouse. Wow.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You need, you need to, you know, I mean, it's not like, it's not just like you can open the door tomorrow, but, but if the assembly line equipment could be brought from one place to another, like that is, that is possible. Or maybe they, or maybe they would buy or lease the building that it's in now and just continue, just run it there under new ownership. Think, uh, this has happened before. Cater, Caterham, Cater, the Caterham seven. I mean, you know, they continue to produce a, a car when they, they didn't, uh, make the car anymore. There's an, there's another one too. What's the other one?

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Volkswagen Beetle wasn't, that was still made in Mexico until like late nineties or early two thousands.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  But by Volkswagen, not by some third party. The Caterham seven was one, and then there's,

• 54:41Matt Farah?

  I mean, I guess, you know, Cobras, you know, all the, all of the Cobras, uh, are, are, uh, and, and old Shelby products could, could have fallen under that line as well. Those, those are replicas. That's not continuing.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Those are, those are by individual companies. Um,

• 54:55Matt Farah?

  There was some company, remember there was a company that tried to buy the entire Dodge Viper production system and, and keep Vipers going? It didn't work out, but a company did, did try. So, you know, so I thought it was funny that they put this on. There's, there's no way this is going to happen, but, but, uh, I did think it was funny that he, he said that we'll do it.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  That's pretty wild. And it, it's also interesting that, uh, unplugged wants to buy a product that on the large stage is like a failing product. You know, I mean, if people look up like the sales year over year were really small. They were falling off. I think the, I think the best year was the first year was like 35,000.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Then it dropped to like 24, then it dropped again. And so unplugged is willing to buy this whole production line to, and they don't mind that they're going to sell few, a few cars. Cause they only need to sell a few, whereas Tesla needed to sell a lot because it's like, we're a big OEM, but I guess they're, I would assume UP is trying to buy it for like nickels on the dollar. You know, if you know that you're only going to sell like 10,000 a year. Pretty wild.

• 56:04Matt Farah?

  But I told, like I said, true believer, like he believes in the product and has invested a lot in an aftermarket for that product. Uh, Avanti, that's the other one. Caterham and Avanti. Remember it used to be a Studebaker and then just became an Avanti?

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do not, I do not like that car, but God bless people that do.

• 56:25Matt Farah?

  Dude, before we go to the people, something happened before Miami that I intentionally didn't tell you about.

• 56:34Matt Farah?

  The Waymo thing. So, so, uh, Waymo has expanded service in LA, um, to the south. The service used to stop at LAX airport. You still can't go to LAX airport, but it now, it now goes all the way south as far as, um, Torrance, and I think maybe Redondo Beach.

• 56:58Matt Farah?

  And so I was at our West Side Collective Car Storage location in Gardena. And I was like, hey, let me, let me try to grab a Waymo from here and see, see how it goes.

• 57:10Matt Farah?

  You know, to get home, because I had dropped off the Taycan, um, the boys were going to detail it. And so I, I get a Waymo. The Waymo will not come to my property at all. Uh, the designated pickup points, the nearest one is like a six minute walk from, from my property. Fine. An Uber will come to my front door, but this, this one won't. But okay. So I walk, I walk up the street and around the corner. And across the street, there's like a little cul-de-sac and that's where I have to meet it. I'm standing there.

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  The Waymo, it's one of the shitty fucking vans, um, the, the Ojai vans. It pulls in, makes a U-turn at the end of the cul-de-sac and starts to come back towards me. But it stops like a hundred feet away. Even though I'm here and even though I'm standing directly on the, the pin on the map, the pin on the map is not where the car is stopped. It's where I'm standing. Fine. I get in the car and it's, it's like, it says like 45 minutes to get home. And I'm like, what the fuck? It's normally about 20 to 25. At this point I realize, even though Waymos are allowed on the highways, it won't get on the highway from here. It's going to take, it's going to take certain surface streets the whole way.

• 58:35Matt Farah?

  Uh, which it does, and it never, this one, even though I was in a fucking crazy driving one a couple of weeks ago, which we talked about. This one will not exceed the speed limit by a single mile an hour. It's super timid. And, and not only that, as it, you know, as it bumps up on the speed limit, it keeps, it's regen braking, but it keeps doing that thing in order to not go over by even a mile. Like, if you were a human trying to drive the speed limit, if you hit, if it's 35 and you hit 35, you wouldn't hit the brakes. You'd just lift a little bit and maybe you'd go to 36 or 37 and then,

• 59:13Matt Farah?

  and then come down. This thing hits a wall of inertia at 35, like a wall. It's like someone's hitting the brakes.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Driver once who he would keep his foot on the gas and he was using the brake to slow down to what like to traffic speed. It was very jarring, like literally jarring.

• 59:30Matt Farah?

  So it was doing that, but that's not what I'm here to talk about because it gets to my house.

• 59:38Matt Farah?

  And I go to get out and I have my camera case with me and I have a backpack. I have multiple things with me. I get out of the car, walk towards the house, the door closes and I realize the man purse is still in the Waymo.

• 59:55Matt Farah?

  Okay. And for those of you who don't know, I have a man purse. Why do I have a man purse? Cause I have a lot of shit to carry around. It's a little to me, you might call it a cross body bag. That's what it is. I, I, I am just more comfortable calling it what it is, which is a man purse.

• 1:00:13Matt Farah?

  It's in the fucking Waymo. What do you do? Pop quiz, hotshot. What do you do?

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  Well, because you can't summon it back because your phone is in the man purse, right?

• 1:00:25Matt Farah?

  The Waymo hasn't left yet. It's still there. I have walked across the street and I'm standing in my driveway. When I have, when I realize that the man purse is not on me.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Right. But what is in the man purse? Cause this determines.

• 1:00:42Matt Farah?

  Wallet, keys, um, like, like things I very much need.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Is your phone in the Waymo still?

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  Phone is in my hand.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  You have the phone. Okay.

• 1:00:53Matt Farah?

  I have the phone.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  I would look at the app to see if there's a button. The second thing I would do is try to run in front of the Waymo and then I would summon a new Waymo on the phone app and hope that the Waymo I'm standing in front of accepts my ride.

• 1:01:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. I like where your head's at.

• 1:01:13Matt Farah?

  Not far off of what I did, except that I started by running and throwing myself in front of the Waymo. So it had, it started to pull away as I was running at it. And it got up to five or six miles an hour and I fucking went in front of it and it slammed on the brakes and it missed me. It didn't hit my knee by this. So I stood there so it wouldn't leave.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  I'm really trusting the technology, but yeah, okay.

• 1:01:44Matt Farah?

  Right. I, uh, this was the day before we were leaving. I needed this shit. This could not, this couldn't be, we'll get it to you tomorrow. I was going to the airport at 4am. So I then call, I, I open up the app and I press the like, you know, help button. And it's like, do you want to chat bot? Or do you want to, uh, call customer service? I call customer service. It takes a minute to get a person on the phone, but I do. What's the problem? I tell him, um, and he's like, okay, you know, is the car still there? I'm like, yes, I'm blocking it. He's like, all right. Uh, he goes, I can't remotely open the doors, which is very interesting. But he goes, but I can remotely open the windows.

• 1:02:31Matt Farah?

  And he goes,

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  That's weird.

• 1:02:32Matt Farah?

  He goes, can you describe the item? And I go, yeah, it's a black and gray Tumi cross body bag that's sitting. I had folded down the center armrest and it's, it was underneath it. That's why I,

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 1:02:47Matt Farah?

  That's why I forgot it. I said, and he's like, all right, I'm pulling up the cameras in the car. And he goes, I see the bag. So he's, I'm, he goes, I'm going to put the windows down. So he puts all four windows down. And I have to like, really, it's pretty far in there. I have to, I have to really lean pretty far into the car. But I do get it. And I tell the guy I've got it and thank him and, and he releases the car and it, and it drives away. But I, the point was that in order to stop this, I actually like dove in front of this fucking car.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it makes sense. Cause you know, the tech, it's, it's programmed to not hit a human.

• 1:03:26Matt Farah?

  Stop dude.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  It's, that's pretty smart. Uh, I wonder why they can't roll down, open the door, but they can roll down the window. That's like, what meeting led to that decision? Um, hmm, that's really strange.

• 1:03:39Matt Farah?

  Maybe because there's, there could be something outside the car that the door could hit. Whereas the, a window going down couldn't cause any external damage, maybe.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  But they couldn't even, they couldn't even unlock the door, right?

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  Well, it's electronic. They don't, the, the, these fucking vans aren't like that. It's not like there's a handle. And if it's unlocked, you pull the handle. It's, you press a button and the, you know, on the outside to open the doors, you do it with the app. You hit a thing that says open doors.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  Right. So like, if you with your phone can hit a thing that opens the door, it's surprising. It's just weird that this person can access the control to roll the window down, but not open the door in that circumstance. But,

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Super weird. But anyway, now you know, you can do that if you leave something in a car and then to close the doors, you can physically block it.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Trick, you know, like the people in SF were doing, just put anything in front of the car, it will stop. But, uh, the only thing you had at hand was yourself.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  You didn't have a cone.

• 1:04:39Matt Farah?

  Oh boy. Um, let's go to the people, uh, patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. Of course you can ask questions for the live stream. You can watch the live stream, get the show the same day it's recorded instead of waiting, get extra show, get ad free show and a whole lot more at patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast. Plus you're supporting your favorite car show.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  So Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club says, a few weeks ago, uh, he asked,

• 1:05:08Matt Farah?

  We met in Miami. Shout out to him, by the way.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Duffle Shuffle?

• 1:05:12Matt Farah?

  Not, no, oh no, we met,

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  We met him in Wisconsin.

• 1:05:15Matt Farah?

  Wisconsin. Sorry. Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  No, Miami, we met, uh, came in my ass and, um,

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  Deactivates cylinder firing in the west bank.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was great. Um, champions.

• 1:05:27Matt Farah?

  Good people.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Um, uh, do we think that the engine revving in the newest Cobra promotional video is a flat plane or a cross plane engine? Have you seen that video that came out today or yesterday?

• 1:05:40Matt Farah?

  Uh, I, I saw that there was a video. I have not listened to it. Can we do that on the show and have it work?

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  All right. So tell me if you can hear this.

• 1:05:59Matt Farah?

  That sounds like a flat plane crank to me. That, that sounds like,

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  This is starting again.

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  That sounds flat plane to me. Yeah. That sounds like a large displacement flak, flat plane engine to me.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So before we put out that video, uh, yesterday, yeah. And it just, it's a black screen, just says Cobra R. So it definitely sounds flat.

• 1:06:25Matt Farah?

  It's called Cobra R.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. The, the graphics that pop up, it just says Cobra and then a blue R pops up.

• 1:06:32Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. I, I'm bet that's a flat plane. That's, that sounds nice.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Oh, so are they basically bringing back the GT350R, but they can't call it Shelby because they don't want to pay Shelby the thing. Yeah.

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  So we get, we get a new Cobra R. Um, yeah, I think they will be doing it. So that's cool.

• 1:06:50Matt Farah?

  If I was them, I would, I would probably do that. Yeah. That sounded lovely.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  All right. Uh, on a recent show, Zach mentioned that Maserati has just asked in Martin without the James Bond deal. Is Omega falling into the same rut?

• 1:07:05Matt Farah?

  Omega has that, the James Bond deal.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  But I think they're saying, are they falling to the rut?

• 1:07:11Matt Farah?

  James Bond wears a Seamaster.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  But there's no, I guess there's no James Bond right now. Um,

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  They just came out with like two different James Bond special edition Seamasters.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  They'll be fun.

• 1:07:22Matt Farah?

  No, I, I, look, Omega, um, Omega's in an interesting place because it's, it's like the watch for people who don't want to wear a Rolex, right? Who think a Rolex is sort of like too flash or they don't like the, the, the, the, the bullshit buying process of Rolex and, and, um, I mean, I, I love my Speedmaster, but I think Omega has

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  never been the choice of the people who could afford the, the, the, the, the better thing. You historically, Bond, you know, made the Seamaster a thing that was, you know, for cool people and, and, and they took that from the Submariner, by the way, because fucking Sean Connery's Bond wore a Rolex Submariner. It wasn't until the prop master from, uh, later films decided that Bond should wear a Seamaster. Um, so like, I, I, I don't, I don't, I mean, look, Omega got so, so, so much cred out of their dumb

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  Swatch collab. The amount of people that all of a sudden gave a shit about a Speedmaster because of the moon Swatch is a, is a once in a generation marketing play from Omega. So if they're in a slump right now, and they've squandered all of that, and that's not helping their actual sales, that sucks. I say this with no fucking knowledge of their sales numbers. I have not looked at Omega's sales numbers. I have no idea.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  I think they'll, they'll be okay. They're going to make more Bond movies anyway. Um, God's Silver Thunderbird asks, would a manual swap for XKR or XJR's make those cars cool again? We saw one on the, I mean, XKR, that was a really fun car.

• 1:09:19Matt Farah?

  XKR is cool.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Matt Farah?

  XJR, I don't think you, a manual swap is really what, if you're talking about a X, like a 2001, like Spinelli had one of those XJR's, that could be cool. I think that could be very cool.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  That's true. A manual might be easier than doing, I think in the eight HP swap would also make those, improve those cars a lot. They've got a good engine. They look great. But it's just the shifting, much like Mercedes of that time, that really let the rest of the car down. So manual or just do the eight HP auto, ZF auto, that'd be good.

• 1:09:55Matt Farah?

  I agree. But I mean, you know, I drove our old, our old pal Carl with the LS3 in the manual. Not the same thing, but you could tell what that would be like. And it was a ripper. It was great. Yeah.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Um, mail order bride seat. That's really good.

• 1:10:12Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  That's great. Uh, I daily drive an Lexus ISF. I've done 65,000 trouble free miles in five years. I'm a musician. I drive a lot for work. I like the vibe. I like the sound, but I want to upgrade to something faster and more spacious for family road trips. Budget is 75 to 85 grand. Is a Panamera GTS sport terismo realistic? Or should I look at other options?

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  Well, that sounds cool. GTS sport terismo is a good one. That's naturally aspirated V8. Um, a wagon. We love the wagon. Uh, it's, it's, it's probably pre ADAS, which is good. Um, you, I don't know if you can still get a CPO. They, they can be expensive to fix those cars. I mean, there's just little shit on them. Yeah.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Matt Farah?

  What about a, what about the fucking, um, Lexus GSF? Bigger, newer, more spacious. We love the GSF. That's awesome.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I mean, that is the same engine effectively, I believe, as the ISF.

• 1:11:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  So we get basically the same car, just a little bit bigger and it'll probably be trouble free. If you like trouble free, Germany is not the place to shop unless you have a CPO.

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  You could also look at something like, uh, the Accurate T, was it a new TSX?

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  TS, TLX, TLX.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  The new TLX was really fun to drive, comfortable, big and should be more trouble free, but it won't have the NAV8 sound. Like you, you're going to lose that soundtrack.

• 1:11:47Matt Farah?

  If you can find a good GSF. I mean, I like Panameras and I, and they're not, they're not inherently unreliable cars. They just, the, the maintenance costs on them, you know,

• 1:11:58Matt Farah?

  Depending on how much you spend, how old it is, you know, is it gonna need a full brake job? That might be like $10,000. Is it gonna, you know, is it gonna need? You know, it stuff that is, as you get, you creep up on that

• 1:12:16Matt Farah?

  80, 90, 100,000 miles, then it's gonna be the expensive service items that start coming up. Um, tires can be expensive on that car, certainly brakes. Um, it's air suspension. So if you, if you have to service your air suspension, you know, go read the article I just wrote about my Taycan's air suspension on, on, uh, on road track. So that's the real concern. Um, but if you've got a, a reserve fund or a CPO warranty, hell yeah, brother.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  All right. Uh, Queers shifting gears. They have a three axis full motion sim rig for a set of course over the winter. They want to learn different vehicle dynamics within the limits of the simulation. What are essential cars that they should learn? So front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, all wheel drive. You know, what would we recommend people, you know, drive to fully understand those dynamics?

• 1:13:10Matt Farah?

  So

• 1:13:13Matt Farah?

  you know, it's funny is like, I would, I would say not the most hardcore sporty, like you say, front wheel drive, and I'm tempted to go like Integra type R. Cause it's like, well, it's the best front wheel drive car maybe ever, right? But if you want to learn dynamics on a sim, I would say you would want something that's a little more accentuated, like a rally car with some body roll where it's like you can, you can get a better sense of the weight being transferred a little more, right?

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like a, like a Civic SI, you know, it's not the hard, not as hardcore as a type R. But it's gonna move a little bit. I mean, if you can do a seto and there's a loose surface or you can be a rain setting.

• 1:14:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Yes, ST is a great one because that moved a lot like that. Yes, having the motion. Cause then obviously the motion of the car will then be translated to the three motion rig. Um, they wrote Miata, Miata is a great choice because they tend to be kind of soft. Just don't, you know, don't firm it up with full race settings. Try and drive them stock. Uh, Mustang's a good one for, uh, live axle. And then you could switch to like Camaro if you want IRS to compare those two things or Corvette.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  And then all wheel drive, if there's a rally, if there's a rally stage, then like, I think all wheel drive, otherwise you won't notice it as much, but you could do like, uh, I don't know, GT R. That's like an R34 or 32.

• 1:14:42Matt Farah?

  That's a good one. Yeah. GT R is a good one. Um, and I mean, look, a Subaru, I mean, honestly, as one of the faster, like a 22B, I think would be fun actually. Cause it's, that's not going to be super, super stiff, actually. Um, one of those earlier STIs could be really fun or like, like an Evo, you know, six or something like that. And you know, there's a couple of different kinds of all wheel drive. The Subaru is a longitudinal based all wheel drive, whereas an Evo or a Volkswagen or

• 1:15:17Matt Farah?

  most other cars are going to be a transverse based, which give you a little bit of different power distribution, you know, Subaru doesn't brag about that symmetrical all wheel drive for, for nothing.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Right. And they, they also, they also should play with engine configurations and rear roll, rear engine, mid engine, front engine. And just play with all of those and you'll, uh, pay attention to how they change a corner, change, uh, exit, entry, all that stuff.

• 1:15:44Matt Farah?

  With rear drive, I would also try a very, like, I would like, try like a Hellcat, you know, or something like, like I, I would not be, you know, cause that's got a, that like, like a, if you can get a Charger Hellcat or something, long wheelbase, but big power. And you'll, you'll end up fighting the tail a lot. And that's kind of what you want for the rear drive, you know, thing.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Um, Quadrofoliophase, I'm set on buying a Spyder RS or GT4 RS soon, but I'm probably not going to track it. I know most people say the Spyder is the better street car, but does the softer suspension and lesser lip, lesser grip outweigh the impracticalities of the roof situation?

• 1:16:26Matt Farah?

  I don't think the roof is that impractical. It takes about 90 seconds to take it off. It takes another 90 seconds or so to put it on. Um, it's not very well insulated, but the fact that it is not an enclosed space relieves your brain of the booming resonance of the airbox of the GT4 RS. The GT4 RS, if you have the engine below 5,000 RPM, has a booming resonance that will blow out your eardrums. The Spyder doesn't have that at all.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  So if you're not tracking the car, I, I see no reason to get the GT4 RS. We drove it in the canyons. And that was a day dedicated to curves and speed, but even that, after two hours, I was like, man, this thing is rough to sit in. I would much rather spend my time in the Spyder RS. Plus you can have a convertible. You put the top up. It's like you're enclosed. It looks, looks great. I think, uh, that's definitely the choice for me.

• 1:17:30Matt Farah?

  I, I would totally do the Spyder. I think the, the tuning of the suspension and the chassis plus I, I happen to like driving with the top off. And I, I think, um, you know, if you really don't think you're going to drive with the top down very often, then it's kind of dumb to have a convertible because it's, it's not like it's, I mean, it still drives great, but it's not like that car is optimized for having the roof on. Um, but it's not, once the roof is on, it's like, it's not, it's not terrible. I drive my, my Spyder with the roof on probably like half the time. So.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  This is an interesting one. Um, RFK's morbidly obese brain worm.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Is there a way to politely decline to drive someone's car? My friend constantly asked me to drive his C5006 when I'm in town. And, uh, he drives it, but he drives it like he stole it. And I guess he expects me to do that as well. I'm not comfortable ripping around on public roads in a car I'm not familiar with, and he doesn't seem to get the memo.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  That's, that is, yeah. Uh, so people ask me to drive their cars all the time. And my, when I don't want to, which is most of the time, I usually just say, you know, I've driven a bunch of those and, and they're great. I know what, I know what they're like, you know, I don't need to drive this one today. But, but I know they're great and I'm, and I'm sure you have a, you have a great time, you know, with it. I would say you could do a couple of things. One is you could have a little go once. You know, indulge, indulge your friend once. You don't have to do anything crazy. Maybe you get on it once or twice. Don't do anything stupid. And then

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  after that, you don't need to, because you, you can say, I've, I've driven it. I know what it's like. You could do it the one time. Um, if you really don't want to, the best, uh, you know, a fir, a, a firm and confident, no. You know, look, man, I know you love this car. I, I like going for a ride with you. I, I don't feel comfortable. I'm going to pass. That's it. That won't end your friendship. I don't think.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  I hope not. It shouldn't.

• 1:19:47Matt Farah?

  If it was me, I'd probably have a little go one time just to say I did. And then from then on out, I would be able to say that I did. That's probably what I would do.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, you can, you can drive it how you want to drive it. So don't feel pressured by this person to drive on the road the way they do. And you know, if they start, if they switch and they're like, let me show you what it can do, you just have to tell them to not do that. Self preservation, self preservation becomes a thing, you know, into your 30s. Um, I can reply to that directly.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  Interesting. Uh, in the first half of 2026, Ferrari's net profit per car was around $240,000. They don't cite their source, so we'll, we'll see. Uh, is this figure close to how much an average buyer adds on with options?

• 1:20:40Matt Farah?

  No, I think it's, I think an average buyer does not add 240K in options. I think an average buyer. On a Ferrari, probably adds a hundred to 150 in options. I think, assuming that number is accurate, it would be safe to assume that Ferrari has some kind of profit margin on even a base car. You know, they're not, they're not going to sell a base car and make zero. And all of their profit comes from the options. They, that, that, that wouldn't be a very good business model. And if I was a CEO, I wouldn't be happy with that. So in my experience with press cars, you know, and press cars are usually pretty loaded up, but Ferrari,

• 1:21:26Matt Farah?

  it's pretty well known that if you want to get the car, you got to load a bunch of shit on it. And they don't sell a lot of base cars, actually, unless you kind of are a somebody like,

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:21:36Matt Farah?

  I know. Well, like, like, not a somebody, but like, like, for instance, like Rob Ferretti and Gotham Dream Cars, like they buy base cars, but they buy multiple of them every generation. And they just have a relationship with the dealer that they use and they know what they want. And sometimes they make them take like a couple of options, but like Rob will buy cars with like 25, 30K in options. Whereas most customers are like 100, 120K.

• 1:22:08Matt Farah?

  But, but also, um, but yeah, Ferrari is definitely making something on a base car for sure.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  Uh, Ric Flair drives a DayWoo. At $30,000, should I consider a used Mercedes GLA 45 AMG? I was thinking about having a little rally car vibe. Uh, do you think that's a good buy at 30 grand?

• 1:22:31Matt Farah?

  I like how they drive, actually, for what they are. I just, I, I, I have no idea if they're reliable or not. No idea. I, I couldn't tell you. Um, and I, I don't know what Mercedes pre-owned warranty program looks like.

• 1:22:51Matt Farah?

  I would do some Consumer Reports research on dependability and reliability of that car and maybe some foruming. I don't have an answer there. Dynamically, sure. It's a nice car for 30 grand. Yeah.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  That's, that's good value for 30 grand, assuming it doesn't break. Um, uh, Rise Against, Rise Against Satellite was a Plymouth. Uh, Zach, what was my suspension setup from Carbon? What would I recommend if you're going to use it for track stuff? Uh, very quickly. Carbon installed their Camber plates, which they make, uh, Hotchkiss sway bars, um, end links from Carbon, and then KW Club Sport suspension. At the track, when I finally took it there, it was amazing. In the canyons, the car felt like it lost 500 pounds. And then I did square stance and that made the steering feel heavier, which I liked because I think the stock steering is too little overpowered, especially with 225s.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  So if you're going to take the car to the track with any kind of frequency, you will like that setup. If you don't, which I don't, then get KW V3s or a softer coilover of some kind. But, but the Camber, the alignment they did and the sway bars, like totally changed the car for the better.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  What are our, what are your favorite underrated paint colors? Uh, this guy has a WRX in Plasma Blue Pearl and never, uh, never falls out of love with it.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  Underrated paint colors?

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Underrated. I mean, everyone thinks of World Rally Blue with Subaru, but Plasma Blue Pearl.

• 1:24:32Matt Farah?

  I don't actually even think I know what Plasma Blue Pearl is. I don't think I've ever heard of that. Um, I mean, Mazda's red is very underrated. Whenever Mazda paints a car in red, it's got some nice candy apple kind of color to it. I really like that. Uh, the, the green that Ford uses, um, on both the Mach-E and the Bronco, particularly the Bronco Raptor, is very nice. I like that. As well as I like the blue that we had on the Ford Ranger Raptor. That was a good blue. I think it's maybe just performance blue or something. I had a, there's a, there's a color on Cadillacs that I haven't, that's new for last year.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  It's like an ocean spray color, like a greenish, ocean-y color that I drove a, a black wing that had that. And it was really, really nice.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  There was a light blue that they did on the F80 M3s and BMWs that I liked. It was almost like a frost blue. And, uh, it's pretty subtle, but I dig that. Uh, the Plasma Blue Pearl is like, is dark blue Subaru.

• 1:25:38Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  I do not see very often.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  I would see it on Outbacks and stuff more so than I would see it on WRXs or STIs. Yeah.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Pick a car for.

• 1:25:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, everything else that I like is like pretty well known. I mean, British Racing Green, you know.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Right. I was going to say, and a lot more car companies are using greens these days. Um, interesting one. So granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. What do we think about Singer reimagined Porsches? Uh, I understand they are limited edition bespoke, ultra-high luxury, blah, blah, blah. But as far as the actual driving experience, what do we think that price is?

• 1:26:19Matt Farah?

  Worth every penny.

• 1:26:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, I've never driven a bad one. You know, a classic, a classic Singer feels the most like,

• 1:26:34Matt Farah?

  is the most replicable, right? It's you, you could get in a classic Singer and you go, well, this is a million dollars. I could probably get pretty close to this for 500.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:47Matt Farah?

  And that's where a lot of other businesses, you know, pop up, right? Like, like dynamically, is a Singer that much better than what a really talented Porsche shop could build out of a 964?

• 1:27:04Matt Farah?

  Arguable, debatable. And that's where a lot of other businesses have popped up that are building 964s, uh, of, in various reimagined states that are for $500,000, whereas a Singer might be a million, right?

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  I think about in the eighties, when, if, if there's a class of car at a racetrack, you know, racing 964s. If there are 10 cars in the top 10 that are, you know, within a few tenths or seconds of each other. All right. All of those cars are very similar in performance and probably using similar parts. So you could take that same formula and apply it to building a street car. But.

• 1:27:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Continue.

• 1:27:41Matt Farah?

  When you drive the, the turbo classic, that is a very different, or the, the turbo study one, the, the, their production vehicle now, which looks like the 930 turbo. And Zach could back me up on this. That, there's nothing like that. That is a unique product. Um, it feels very much like you have a modern Porsche that Porsche built, but it's the size and shape of a Porsche from 1990.

• 1:28:15Matt Farah?

  Like, that doesn't exist anywhere else. There's no evidence at all that a car was there before.

• 1:28:25Matt Farah?

  And you could drive that as your only car in a, in a reasonably warm climate, 365 days a year, and it would not be a chore. Um, it would be a treat.

• 1:28:39Matt Farah?

  DLS is, I've never seen one. Yeah.

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  A DLS, I mean, looks like the money and.

• 1:28:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. It drives like it looks. It drives like.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  I think, I think it's hard to remove the experience of sitting in a vehicle, touch, you know, the things you touch, you interact with from the driving experience. Like, I understand if you're just concentrating on like steering feedback, acceleration, braking, handling, and you remove looking at the leather and looking at the construction of everything. But like with the turbo, you, you can't because you, you look around and it looks classic, but also rethought.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  The quality of everything and what, what someone puts on that in terms of a price value is very subjective. Cause you know, it, it almost feels like driving a, a juiced up 911T because there's no rattles, there's no shakes, there's no nothing. But it looks like an old car. So to one person.

• 1:29:29Matt Farah?

  The size of an old car.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Right. So that, that, what that's worth will vary depending on who you ask and how much money they have. But that's a pretty, I think that's harder to do than people realize.

• 1:29:41Matt Farah?

  They're offering something that you can't buy anywhere else, which is a fully brand new car that is the size of an old car, but that has almost none of the drawbacks of driving an old car. I mean, almost none. Um, and it's, in fact, that car's Tuve legal and is 50 state legal, emissions legal. That's a fucking 500 horsepower turbo air-cooled engine that will pass smog in California. Porsche said they couldn't do that. Poor Porsche's, Porsche's been saying that that wasn't possible. But it actually is. You just have to spend more money.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  All right. Last one. Somewhere in, somewhere in the gasoline. Uh, that's great.

• 1:30:23Matt Farah?

  Well, that's very good. I like that.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Somewhere in the gas, so, na na, na na. In car history, which cars had the most drastic difference between the launch model and the death of that model? Things that come to mind are Celica, Cougar, or Monte Carlo. Wow. Oh, so spread across that.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  Well, you're talking, you're talking about whole nameplates. I mean, that's, that's, there's a big, oh boy. Okay. Those are all, I mean, one, the ones you said are all good. How about Thunderbird? Ford Thunderbird. Every generation of those is fucking wildly different.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  I mean, if we include.

• 1:31:00Matt Farah?

  Chevy Impala, which they still made until very recently.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  If we include the Mach-E as a Mustang, because technically they call it that, the first Mustang to the Mach-E. I mean, you know, the first one was a two-door gas coupe and now we've got a four-door hatch crossover EV.

• 1:31:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. How about the, how about the Malibu? That used to be like a cool cruiser coupe and is, and then is a fairly lame rental grade sedan.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:31:33Matt Farah?

  What else have we really?

• 1:31:36Matt Farah?

  The Blazer, Chevy Blazer, you know, was a big, big, very rugged, uh, two-door truck and is now an electric crossover.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  That's true. That's a good one. It's not, yeah, it's not rugged, nor is it two doors.

• 1:31:51Matt Farah?

  Hmm. Good question.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Somehow the Hummer hasn't changed that much. It's still like gigantic and consumes a lot of energy to not go very far.

• 1:32:01Matt Farah?

  The original, the first ever Mini Cooper to the current Mini Countryman is a pretty, is a pretty big spread.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Nothing mini about those anymore.

• 1:32:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:14Matt Farah?

  But still, a good thought, good thought exercise.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:17Matt Farah?

  All right. All right. Well, that's our show. Thank you, patrons. Good questions today. Thank you to everybody for listening. Uh, we appreciate y'all very, very much. Uh, I'll be back, we'll be back in the studio next week, uh, with more Smoke and Tire Podcast and provided the Time to Drive Festival guys actually get us our video and audio clips, uh, the interviews that we did with IndyCar legend Scott Dixon, as well as endurance racing legend Felipe Nasser, both of which were great fun. I mean, talk about two guys. Talk about two guys that are fucking winners. Uh, Felipe and Scott were both very good sports and a very good hang. Um, and we'll be putting those interviews up on Patreon, provided that the recordings are actually usable,

• 1:33:01Matt Farah?

  which remains to be seen at this point. Um, but, uh, thank you for the, the Time to Drive Festival. It wa, it, it was fun. It was a good time. The people who run it are good folks. It was their first time doing it. So there was a couple of little hiccups, but I imagine they'll refine that formula and it was, it was very sweet. Um, and thank you to everybody else for listening. We appreciate you and we'll see you next time. Bye.