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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:24Speaker 01

  It's pretty cool graphic.

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  I think we're gonna, I think they're gonna sell these on the website. I kinda like it. It's got, uh, it's got a vibe of being designed by someone who lives in New York instead of Ann Arbor. Instead of, I think it was designed by someone who lives in Ann Arbor.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  You think Spinelli, did Spinelli do it?

• 1:40Matt Farah?

  No, Nathan did it.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Road and Track, as I, you know, for all the reasons I love and have repeatedly stated that I love working there. We win a lot of awards for art direction and for photography and for the covers and all this stuff. We're like, we're like, we literally win awards every year for the, the art of the magazine. And we win almost no awards for the writing.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Well, you know, you're winning something, yeah.

• 2:11Matt Farah?

  I don't give a shit. My, my articles, there's a-

• 2:13Speaker 01

  What magazines win awards for writing?

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  I don't know. They don't, they only really tell us when we win something. I don't even know what the awards are or if there are awards within that, within the industry for, I mean, I guess they're like the Pulitzer Prize or something, but it's not like-

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Only Dan won that.

• 2:29Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's not like we're doing that. Um, so anyway, um, say, uh, it's a good little, good little Thursday here in Los Angeles. Beautiful morning and, um, I mean, we found, you know, we find out that Elon Musk wasted a half a billion dollars. Um, I mean-

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Blue sky day here.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  Dude, the story of, the story of Elon sucking up all of California's subsidies for his company. And then, and then biting the shit out of the hand that fed him for a decade. Bitch, bitch, bitch. Took his toys and left to Texas, fucking, to not pay fucking taxes in California or deal with rules. Only to have to deal with a new Democratic Texas governor that fucking hates him. I love it. You love to see it.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Well, he's doing, he's pissing off a lot of Texas because he's ignoring environmental laws, right? With the launch site and stuff.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  Like I said, California has its rules, other states have fucking their own shit, dude.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a very, very good point.

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  And then he's, he's been deleting all of his fucking tweets. He's ripping through, dude, fuck you, you can't even stand by the shit you said. Cue to three days from now where he's gonna be like, I was a, I was a progressive at heart. Yeah, the whole time.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  It is very funny when you have that much money, but you're deleting what you said because you don't want to stand on it, even though-

• 3:51Matt Farah?

  Even though you will never have consequences for anything.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  And you own the platform. Like, that's how fragile that man is. It's so, so weird.

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  What a fucking bitch, dude. You like, nobody, I mean, nobody is further proof that money doesn't make you good or right or smart or funny or cool.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  In fact, in many ways, it makes you the opposite of almost all of those things.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Well, usually because some of those skills are, let's just call them artistic skills, but like those are usually born at, born and developed by not having stuff.

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Either wanting to compete or as a pushback against bullying or whatever.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  So if you have everything, it's, I think it's, uh, more difficult to develop a personality.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  That's why second and third albums from bands are fucking impressive. You know, when you, like, I was listening to like Noah Khan last night, like his new, newer album. And like his whole album is about like, you know, his first album's just about being depressed in New England. And then he got really famous and it's like, Habibi, you don't live there anymore. I saw, you know what I mean? Like, you're making a lot of money, you're having, you know, you're, some of these problems are, are solved for you. You got out. But it is, I'm listening to his second album and I'm very much convinced that he's still a depressed New Englander. So like, you know what? Respect to Noah Khan.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Depression has not escaped just because you got a check.

• 5:11Matt Farah?

  Believe me.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:12Matt Farah?

  Believe me, I am aware of this. It is temporarily escaped from if you get a check from Elon Musk, though. For the, for, for a lot of money.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 5:23Matt Farah?

  That does feel pretty good. Um, but, uh, yeah, man. Uh, get the fuck out to a lot of these folks is what I have to say. Um, they didn't pass the billionaire tax, though, in California. And they passed one of the fucking fake out ones.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  I, the fake out ones, dude, I knew it was gonna be the fake out ones that got them.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Billboard, I went, that's so clever. Cause it's like, don't let them take retirement and they've got a bunch of images. Real people or AI, I don't know, of like firefighter, nurse, whatever. And I'm like, oh, that's the heartstrings. I mean, that's it. And people believed it. If you didn't, it was really, uh, very clever.

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  The billions did buy them something. They didn't get to buy, uh, governments outright, it seems in this election. But they did get to buy themselves tax relief.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  They might still own Gavin, we'll see.

• 6:15Matt Farah?

  They might, oh, they definitely still own Gavin, for sure.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Cause he, he said you shouldn't vote for 40.

• 6:21Matt Farah?

  I know. How stoked am I that I don't have to fucking reflexively defend Gavin Newsom anymore? You know what I mean? Like, cause like, they talk mad shit about Gavin Newsom and like, they're, they're really just talking about California. And then he's the, he's the vessel, right? And Gavin Newsom fucking sucks. He's, he's the worst. But I, because he's like my governor and I feel like a reflexive nature to like defend him.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  Same with fucking Karen Bass. Like, like she's horrible, so many things, but like the, not the shit they were attacking her for. That was garbage. Like the real things, the real things are bad. Anyway, I don't even wanna have to reflect, reflexively defend either of those people anymore.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  Nice. By the way, do you listen to the Fat Joe and Jadakiss podcast? Or even see clips from the Fat Joe and Jadakiss?

• 7:10Speaker 01

  I, I don't listen to the show, but I got a lot of clips and it seemed to be Fat Joe telling the same story on YouTube a lot. So then I stopped listening.

• 7:18Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  But it's always like, I had this idea and then someone did it first.

• 7:22Matt Farah?

  Well, I just realized that like, part of what I loved about Are You Garbage isn't necessarily like the subject of the show. It's just like the, the cadence in which those guys tell stories. And like the cadence in which Fat Joe and Jadakiss tell stories and like analyze the world is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll try to listen to longer episodes, cause I love, I got fed a lot of like history of hip hop clips on YouTube. YouTube is so much better than Instagram. It like, I'll start liking videos and it goes, my feed is skateboarding, rap history and survival clips. And it's been that for six months. Even if I watch other shit in long form on YouTube, it goes, no, no, for candy, just you want this. And that's right, I do. It doesn't give me any political stuff, no, like no car stuff. It's just those three things. So I'll check out this show.

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know, I've, I've, I've not, uh, you know, I'll, I'll do 10, 15 minute, the longer, the longer clips. I don't listen to a lot of like full length podcasts anyway. But, and I feel like I need to watch it on the video version as opposed to just an audio version. Cause Fat Joe is just so funny. And like their faces are really fucking funny and how they react to things. But like, I don't like his, like, old school street smarts. And like old school, like rules of doing crimes. I, you know, it's like, like Carl, you know, meets like Foley meets fucking, you know, uh, just-

• 8:57Speaker 01

  What are the crimes he used to do that he-

• 8:59Matt Farah?

  Joe Crack, dude, he used to sling.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:02Matt Farah?

  He used to sling, sling weight. Yeah, Joey Crack. When I saw him fucking back in the day, cause he used to live in the Bronx, in like the nice area of the Bronx. And I dated that chick Rachel who lived in the Bronx. And I used to be down there a lot and we would hang out and this, and he would eat at this restaurant. And he had a baby blue Phantom. And he had his, the license plate, the real license plate was like, but a regular ass boring license plate. But the front plate, which was, which should have matched the rear plate and it did not, just said Crack on it. And I was like, wow, yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Probably right after he made money doing, making music. And so he's like-

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  No, he was super famous for music.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  His plate should have just had statute of limitations. That's probably, I think that's what he was doing.

• 9:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  I, he's had some great stories about when someone brought him a beat that he passed on and then like became into club. And he's like, fuck.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  He had a bunch of clips like, "I had this beat, I passed, and then it became a Grammy." "I had this beat, it passed, it became a Grammy."

• 10:03Matt Farah?

  That's pretty funny. I've really, I've just been laughing so hard at Fat Joe. He's fucking great. Uh, right, so cars. SEMA is happening right now. People are at SEMA, not us.

• 10:17Matt Farah?

  And, uh, and there's things there, things and stuff. Rob Dom put like 75 rotors into a Miata, but only one of them drives the drive wheels, um, which is funny. Like, kind of. Like, it's funny, but it doesn't technically, does it? At what point do we call it working? Does it work?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Well, he said that, he said that all the rotors spin.

• 10:45Matt Farah?

  That's not, that doesn't-

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Only one powers the wheels, but the other ones also turn on, right?

• 10:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it, it basically is-

• 10:52Speaker 01

  It's a twin-engine car, but one engine's not connected to the drive shaft.

• 10:55Matt Farah?

  It's an engine stand that can be moved under its own power.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  That is what it is.

• 10:59Matt Farah?

  Right? It's an, it's an engine stand for a, like, 75 rotor. It, the photos look like AI, particularly this, this one, uh, on Rob's Instagram. That doesn't actually look like a real thing. It is, but the big thing that's sticking out of the hood isn't driving the car.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  No, for people listening, the engine looks like if Rob Dom was tasked with building a car for Mad Max and he, he built the engine and then they said, "The movie's been canceled," and he's like, "I guess I'll put it in a Miata."

• 11:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, instead of putting it in like a, uh, you know, a prohibition-era Ford or something.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, twin Cadillac, whatever, but, you know, that's a better picture.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  It looks batshit.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  I mean, how many turbos do we have here? Three at least.

• 11:44Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  This turbo is definitely bigger than my head.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  I mean, the plumbing of a three-story building, and then somehow it powers the car, but it's, and it's, it should be said that I think it's at the Haltech booth, so I don't know if Haltech sponsored this build or they just sponsored him and he's like, "You know what we could do? That'd be crazy. I have all these extra rotor engines sitting around."

• 12:07Matt Farah?

  It would be cool if both of those engines are running on a single Haltech ECU. Like, that would be some kind of interesting demonstration of technology.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:16Matt Farah?

  And I suppose theoretically it's possible.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  So if it's a 13 rotor, is, is this bank here, is, that's six rotors, this is six, it's six rotors, almost like a V, and then there's one single rotor below it?

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  Well, or the one rotor is the one doing the drive wheels.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  I think the one, correct, but I'm saying like the layout, is it six, six, and then a single at the bottom?

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• 16:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:22Matt Farah?

  The other rotor is a completely separate engine, right?

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Yes, that's what I think.

• 16:27Matt Farah?

  It's like a fucking, uh, like, what do you call it? Old, old-school RX7? FA? Is that what you call it? F-A-R-X7?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 16:35Matt Farah?

  Like, that's a one rotor, right?

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:37Matt Farah?

  Or an old RX3?

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  That's a single rotor. So that's what's driving the wheels.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I believe so.

• 16:43Matt Farah?

  And this whole other shit is just plopped on top of it.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, architecture, it almost looks like he made a V6 out of two six rotor engines.

• 16:54Matt Farah?

  Aesthetically, it does look like that, yes.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  And I think, obviously, there's a full, many YouTube videos on his, uh, channel about the build and what this is, but the engine is seven feet tall? Like, how, how, how high do you think this turbo pipe reaches into the air?

• 17:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  It looks like the car's gonna fall over on its face.

• 17:12Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's a, it's an automotive dinosaur. It's like if, if someone said, "You need to make a car look like a T-Rex, but still be a car," like, that's, or a Brontosaurus.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's Brontosaurus.

• 17:24Matt Farah?

  It's a Brontosaurus Miata.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  It's Brontosaurus MX.

• 17:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Look, there's worse engine stands out there. As a fucking engine stand, that is a hell of an idea.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  That's a great marketing-

• 17:35Matt Farah?

  And if you can get that weird-looking thing to actually start and run at all, that is superb.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Totally insane. Um...

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  The front suspension is just completely blown out, though. It's so funny, the fucking front.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  It is, uh, hmm. I mean, some people love it, some people hate it. It's like, there's a lot of cars at SEMA that don't work.

• 17:58Matt Farah?

  That comment has 310 likes on it. Yikes.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  I do think that this has gone far enough, like, there's the Bluetooth drive shaft thing at SEMA, or there's cars that get pushed in that have a normal-ish engine, but just didn't get finished in time. This, I feel like, is so far beyond those things and such, like, a cartoonish idea that I allow it. I think this is fine. I don't think this is what's ruining SEMA. I think this is almost a hyperbolic joke about what's ruining SEMA.

• 18:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know. This is, this is, it's not ruined.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  This is not your LS that doesn't have an intake on it?

• 18:31Matt Farah?

  Every year, something is ruining SEMA.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 18:35Matt Farah?

  Right? Every year, like, what's, what's ruining SEMA this year?

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:39Matt Farah?

  And you go, and it's not, it's the same.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  It's very true.

• 18:43Matt Farah?

  Every year, a few people build something really stupid. And look, Rob has a habit of building really stupid things. He would not dispute that. Uh, that's a very funny photo. The photo of it, like, lurking in the dark outside of his shop like a fucking monster is pretty funny.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  It's like the Barney meme coming out of the bushes.

• 19:05Matt Farah?

  That's very funny. It looks like if Vianney Halter built a watch, or like, uh, MB&F, like Max Busser built a car. This is a Max Busser MB&F car.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  It looks like, it looks like the Miata is about to transform and it's tired of getting called a powerless engine, or powerless car. It's like, "Oh, you, you don't think I have horsepower? Watch this."

• 19:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like Incredible Hulk, Incredible Hulk halfway transformation.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  MX5 steroids.

• 19:30Matt Farah?

  That would be the paint job, right? If the, the front of it, the front clip around the hood in, like, Hulk green and the back half looked like completely stock, sort of red-black.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  Or you make the Miata blue jeans and then the engines green.

• 19:46Matt Farah?

  That's funny.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  The jean shorts.

• 19:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's funny. No, SEMA is for stupid shit, dude.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:52Matt Farah?

  It's not, uh, there's, I mean, look, there's enough space in the three halls of Las Vegas that you can have a few incredibly stupid things.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  I think we know-

• 20:02Matt Farah?

  And should.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, you should.

• 20:04Matt Farah?

  And should.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Well, I think we know enough shops that work at a high level and build good cars, and their SEMA projects are always put off because it's not important to them in that moment. It's like, right now, we're building race cars or customer cars and this marketing thing. So I think a lot of shops wait till late in the year to do the SEMA thing, and that's why so many cars don't work.

• 20:24Matt Farah?

  Unless, you know, they've already got some client build, you know, in progress that they can get done, you know, for Ring Brothers, you know, them-

• 20:32Speaker 01

  They build one car a year, right?

• 20:33Matt Farah?

  Them kind of guys. Yeah, one or two.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  So that's their whole focus.

• 20:36Matt Farah?

  Busy, busy essentially is a, is a SEMA shop.

• 20:41Matt Farah?

  Which is his choice. But he, I, I thought this, I thought that car was pretty funny, but, but if you want to talk about functional, the thing, the story from SEMA that got me was that there is a company that did a functional um, manual swap uh, called Pite's, is that right? You think Pete's?

• 21:01Speaker 01

  P, P, I don't know.

• 21:02Matt Farah?

  P E I T Z, Pite's Performance, did a proper uh, manual Tremec swapped uh, C8 Corvette. A couple, six months ago, four months ago, there were rumors that there was a, a manual adapter or a manual conversion available for the Tremec transaxle, or maybe it was a complete manual transaxle that was a, a swap in for the C8?

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think last year Tremec said they brought the transaxle and they're like, here's the hardware.

• 21:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  And now this is the first company, I think, to put it in, because they had to figure out how to make it, like, and Tremec built it to fit theoretically, but they still said that...

• 21:42Matt Farah?

  But they didn't like finish it.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  It was just like, here's the transmission, but you have to figure out how to make the clutches actuate and all the other pieces of it.

• 21:48Matt Farah?

  So this company made um, a shifter and a linkage based on some Porsche stuff.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  They got a, they got a clutch assembly from something else and, and this is a race car, it's not a, a full interior car, so they had uh, uh, what, they used, what is this? A Motec uh, M150 based dual clutch controller that works with the Tremec's. Um, you could, allows builders to run their choice of standalone engine management while using the Motec package to operate the transmission. Uses a factory C8 wiring harness with custom connectors, uh, will support factory instrument panel, ABS power steering and stock systems. So, you know, the idea is, uh, is to have a car, a, a, one kit that they sell that'll

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  be all the parts and, and the, and the hardware and software to make it work with a, a stock car, I think, so.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:44Matt Farah?

  Uh, one of our, one of my friends actually is quoted in this article, John McGann, who wrote the story about my Fox body for Hot Rod back in the day, he drove it. And there's his, his quote is in italics there, he said, he called it transformative.

• 23:01Matt Farah?

  And uh, he said the throes are short, the spacing between the gates is perfect, you'd have to be a real hack to miss a shift, uh, hard acceleration felt quicker than I remember in a stock C8, that's due to different gearing and the Tremec's transmission, psychological effect, et cetera, et cetera, but yeah, I mean, you, you know, he, he, he gave it a pretty positive review and he drives a lot of stuff.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  So, so that's pretty fucking cool. There's a video of him, someone driving it around and, yeah, doing some doughnuts.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Flash drop doughnuts in the Shelby, oh, it's president of Shelby American doing it.

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, Gary Patterson, shout out to him, I know Gary from back in the day. We had a, we had a good old time at uh, Carroll Shelby's 85th birthday. So it, it does, uh, it does work, at least in one car, pretty cool.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  It's really cool, and I'm sure this is more expensive, but I prefer this over the, as we talked about last month, the electronic drop-in kit that makes like an eight-speed manual switch thing, and it's just like, it's too many speeds. Granted, I'm sure it's a lot less expensive and obviously much easier to install than this, but, you know, if you, if you have a good amount of money, choose this over uh, the little electric switch.

• 24:10Matt Farah?

  Well, we, yeah, I mean, we have no idea what something like this will cost, but, you know, there's, there's, and we don't know if it works with like a Z06, a Z01 yet, I mean, I...

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Z06 would be great.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 24:22Speaker 01

  That would be...

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, that'd be the shit.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:24Matt Farah?

  Um, and all of Corvettes use the same gearbox, it's not like they have different, I don't know if they all have the same ratios though.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Uh, did, oh wait, didn't it say they changed the, the uh, final drive in this?

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  No, no, but this is a different gearbox, I'm talking about, does a base Corvette, a Z06 and a ZR1 have the same ratios in there, and I don't know.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 24:46Matt Farah?

  I don't know, I have no idea.

• 24:49Matt Farah?

  But, but that's pretty, yeah, that, that was the one, the one story from SEMA that really kinda stood out to me. That and the, you know, did you see the, the, they're resto modding Gallardo's now?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I talked...

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  Did you see this?

• 25:04Speaker 01

  I did, I, um, what was interesting about the orange one is it was designed by...

• 25:11Matt Farah?

  Caven, Ca, Ca, C...

• 25:13Speaker 01

  It has like three names in it.

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  C A V E N Atelier, Caven Atelier Homage 26, it's called.

• 25:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, this is a thing, so this is, conceptually, I don't like it.

• 25:34Matt Farah?

  You like it?

• 25:34Speaker 01

  You don't like the idea, no. I don't like the execution of it, but I think what they did is they went back to the original designer and said, what would you do with the Gallardo now? So on paper, I go, I think, oh, well, it's the Ian McCallum, Ian Callum 25 thing, like, give the person more time, they were a genius once, can they enhance what they made before?

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  In my opinion, I don't think they did, because they don't change the shape of the Gallardo that much, they just change, like, I don't like the, I don't like the rear end treatment at all, I don't like the, the taillights they added. The front lights have these new, like, hideaway uh, like, hatches to hide...

• 26:14Matt Farah?

  Same as the Eccentrica.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like that, which hides the headlights, but I don't think, I don't particularly like the way that looks, so I don't, it's, they just made something so damn good the first time, I don't think you can go back to it and really enhance it that much.

• 26:27Matt Farah?

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• 29:22Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 29:22Matt Farah?

  They're still, like, these are tuner cars now, like, there's not, like, you, you don't need to quote, there's no resto here, I mean, you can, you can, you know, the car's 20 years old, you can freshen it, but like, we don't need a fucking resto. You can go to Hefner or, you know, Underground or whoever the fuck with a Gallardo that's decent, and for $100 to $200,000 on top of the price of the car, it's a lot of money, but you can have 900 reliable horsepower, or 1,000 or 1,100, reliable horsepower, and that you could fucking putter around in the rest of the time and drive like a totally normal car. And you'll have, and, and oh, by the way, refresh the whole interior while it's in

• 30:05Matt Farah?

  there, any color you want, any wheels you want, you know, fucking JRZ's on the, on the suspension, you'll have the dopest Gallardo ever for, let's call it 350?

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:16Matt Farah?

  Right? Dopest one you, Josh Kailis just did this. You remember Josh Kailis?

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, twin turbo Camaro.

• 30:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he just got like his dream Gallardo, and he, although he's got money, you know, because he was a big skater and whatever, he's got money, but he, he buys cheap shit and like, he saw the value in like, let me do this now. It's not beyond the realm of a normal, rich person to get a Gallardo and do a tuner build like you might have done with a fucking Supra or something like 15 years ago, like, totally the, this, by the way, and as much as I respect Ian Callum, when has him ever re-idealizing his shit ever actually resulted in a better-looking car? I'm gonna go for O for all of them.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, when he did the, I think it's the Callum 25, like, it's a Vanquish?

• 31:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  It looks so, it just looks so similar that I don't think it's worth the exorbitant cost over a regular one.

• 31:13Matt Farah?

  He added a bunch of stuff that, that you kinda makes you realize, like, look, even the best designers sometimes need a little bit of committee work.

• 31:25Matt Farah?

  Like, like this to me just looks like a, a really like a Vanquish S with a more aggressive flip tail and more modernized wheels, but the front, the front bumper treatment is, is a little overdone and you know, I, I just don't think it needs, it needed really any of that.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think this is-

• 31:45Matt Farah?

  Particularly if you don't have the ugly British front plate holder. I mean, that's, they really did himself a not, he sandbagged by putting the British front plate holder on that bitch.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  But even then, I look at this, I, it looks so similar, whereas if you put the new, this other Gallardo, the Caven, next to the stock one.

• 32:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  It's obviously very different. The back is, is very different. Um, but I think the other thing that you brought up is great is you can build, you can build the best driving Gallardo you've ever dreamed of, to your point, and tune it however you want, and it'll look like a Gallardo, and that'll cost you 200 grand. Or you could go buy the nicest, lowest mileage, you know, rear wheel drive only Balboni edition, which will cost a lot of money, but you'll be at the same price point effectively as getting this, I mean, the Caven's a million bucks.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  It's a plus a car.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  It's plus a car.

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  A million plus a car.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  And then you end up in a situation where you have shrunken the buyer market and, look, you and I talk a lot, you shouldn't buy a car to flip it, but if you're buying a low mileage Gallardo of a special edition, you are thinking about the return eventually. But now you have narrowed your market from everyone who loves a Gallardo to only the people who like this version of a Gallardo.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  And look at those weird exhaust pipes. I mean, they've, they've really, they've really horizontalled out the rear end of this car and it's not done at any service. I just, I, I, I personally think this car looks really stupid. I do.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it looks worse.

• 33:11Matt Farah?

  I think it looks worse than even an 04 Gallardo.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:14Matt Farah?

  Is a, is a better design than this.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 33:16Matt Farah?

  And in the spec sheet for this fucking thing, they say 5 liter V10, not 5.2. So they're talking about doing an 04 Gallardo engine, which is like-

• 33:26Speaker 01

  It's the worst.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  You, you, you could, you could barely give me one of those. Like, those, like, that engine is trash.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  So they're gonna, I'd assume they're gonna like fix it.

• 33:37Matt Farah?

  This is the, it's like a Centrica. Like, you put all this money into the fucking worst one.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:42Matt Farah?

  Rather than like buying any number of LP whatever, or Balbonis or anything. You can convert these to manual now. You buy an E-Gear one, you convert it, like, there's a million ways to have like an amazing Gallardo. Original, collectible, tuner, fucking convertible, whatever. Like, why anybody would do this?

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:03Matt Farah?

  This is really separating morons from their money.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  I think they're doing the same thing as a Centrica is, uh, and a lot of other shops where they, they don't want to change the hard points of the car, or maybe the body work, because it's really expensive, and we can get to the 308 thing in a second.

• 34:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  So they go, well, what can we change for this money? And it's accessories, you know?

• 34:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. But, so the 308, and then there's, you've got this 308 thing from Michelotto, which, uh, is, I think, kind of interesting. Um, I mean, look, Michelotto is the company that did the racing Ferraris back in the day. Um, and they, they have a long history of, um, of racing Ferraris. And so this, they've done a 308 that's sort of a group, they call it a Group B tribute, right?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Right, because they, they built a WRC car for Ferrari back in the day. It was the only one to ever podium.

• 35:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Must, what a sound like, what a cool drive.

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Um, I think it was tarmac stage, right? It was in Targa Florio.

• 35:06Matt Farah?

  I believe it was a tarmac stage, yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Something like that. So-

• 35:09Matt Farah?

  They did run them on dirt.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:11Matt Farah?

  They just weren't as fast as the other cars.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  No shit, but-

• 35:14Speaker 01

  So it makes sense they want tarmac. But so, but this, you know, it's a tube chassis, carbon fiber body, right?

• 35:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  So they've done more work than these other companies we've talked about, which is cool.

• 35:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is more on the, in the line of like, uh, Toot Hill's GT1 thing, uh, than, than like even Evoluto, although the styling of it does give strong Evoluto vibes, doesn't it?

• 35:38Speaker 01

  There's a bit.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  If this was an Evoluto project, you'd go, yeah, that, that tracks, right?

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, part of it's the color and also I think the subtlety of the changes.

• 35:45Matt Farah?

  Um, but they've done some really interesting things around the flying buttress.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, widening the flying buttress so that it integrates with the side scoop, which is, is funky. I, I, I don't, I don't hate it, actually. I think it's, I think it's an interesting detail.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Okay, let me find a stock of it.

• 36:07Matt Farah?

  And they did, uh, they did leave what looks like the, uh, the, they've got door handles that I don't think are from the 328, but they are from another Ferrari of the period, maybe a Mondeal, but they're visible, you know, extra door handles, which I like. They haven't hidden the door handle somewhere or done a funky electronic latch. That would sort of suck. Um, but the front bumper, that, the, that sort of treatment of the opening in the front bumper is a little weird to me. It's got Ferrari GTC4, uh, Lusso, not GTC,

• 36:47Matt Farah?

  is it GTC4 Daytona, uh, 365 GTC4 Daytona vibes, which is like that late 70s, uh, vibe, which doesn't really work for me. Um, but I get it for the airflow over what is almost certainly a pass-through radiator right there.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  It looks pretty good, especially, here, I'll, I'll throw up the picture of, uh-

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  Of the, do you have the Michelotto 308?

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Well, no, I have the stock 308 GTB and like, you know, they look very different. This looks more, this looks like they brought some of the 288 GTO.

• 37:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  And like, this seems more like what Singer did, where they took some elements from a bunch of different cars and added their own flair. And I think, I mean, I think this is a very good looking car.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  I think it looks good.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Is it a 308 anymore? Who cares?

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  Probably not.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  It's like a carbon fiber tube chassis, but I mean, I think the shape looks awesome.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  It's a Chimera, in the Chimera family maybe more?

• 37:40Speaker 01

  In terms of what it is?

• 37:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, positioning.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would agree with that. Uh, there's that.

• 37:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they haven't, uh, you know, they haven't, they've made flared fenders, but they're not like insanely flared. I think the entire car is widened really from the middle versus a regular 308.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Um, maybe.

• 38:02Matt Farah?

  But, uh, I don't hate it.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  No, I think it looks good.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But I, I can't say that I wouldn't just prefer them actually building the, like, the race car that they built back in the day. Like, just do that. Like, just sell me that.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Sell you a race car or one that looks like-

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  Take three, take shitty 308s and turn them into those race cars. But, but tune them so they can be driven on the street. That's it. Just, sell the fucking Michelotto 308s.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  I mean, is that not, well, I guess back then they didn't have a carbon fiber body, but I think the whole of it was-

• 38:44Matt Farah?

  No, they were 308 GTBs.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  It was just that?

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, that, to me, that would be the ultimate thing from this company. Not a new engineered car. Just me. Maybe other, maybe the today's billionaire, I, I'm not today's billionaire, I will never be today's billionaire, but maybe today's billionaire demand, wants a brand new car that kinda looks like an 80's Ferrari. Like, maybe that's what they want. I would like the company that built the Ferrari rally car to sell me a Ferrari rally car that was like that one.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  I truly wonder if because you have the palette you have, you've driven a bunch of things, and you might have a more of an appreciation for that, that, that car than your average customer. Because like, we know, rally struggles to get attention, WRC struggles to get attention, like, you know, the old race cars, there's not many people that collect them. Like, you know-

• 39:36Matt Farah?

  Safari cars are hot right now.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Are they still hot? Or is that-

• 39:40Matt Farah?

  You think they're 10, they're 10 years ago hot?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  I, it just, I feel like the news stories have moved on for the most part, but that also doesn't mean that they're not popular. But I think that was more of a six years ago type of thing.

• 39:50Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  So, I don't, I don't know if, if the rich people want the shape of something classic, but it to drive like whatever whim or car they like, or do they go, yeah, this, this won a rally in whatever, 78, and that's what this looks like. I don't know.

• 40:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm deep level nerd on this kind of stuff. And, I mean, this interior looks like a lot of fun. Um, I, I wish it didn't have a screen. I kinda get it, but I wish-

• 40:19Speaker 01

  The interior looks like a race car.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  It looks purposeful.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  The exterior, you go, oh, okay, the, you know, someone has to tell you that this is, it's a whole, full carbon fiber body, but once you look inside, you go, oh, this is-

• 40:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Flat panels everywhere, we got a lot of screens, we have a lot of like new controls, um, very motorsport.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  I think I'd probably want it to have an interior. A real interior.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  You know, the Chimera had a good, a pretty good interior, and that's about as racy as I would want the interior to be. You know, this is a little too racy for me. But yeah, I don't know. Let us, let us know what you think. I, I pull up a picture of the original Micheloto race car. Guys, support for this show comes today from Drive with Jim Farley. That's right, you guys are always asking me what I'm listening to when I'm not recording this show. But right now, it's the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. That's right, Ford CEO Jim Farley, cousin of Chris Farley, talks to some of his favorite people about what they drive and what drives them to succeed.

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• 43:23Speaker 01

  What's funny is this might be more, this interior might actually be more aligned with the original race car, but the exterior is not.

• 43:30Matt Farah?

  It might be. But you wouldn't, I don't think you'd need to build, like, I, I think you could, let's see. Let's see what the, I mean, what the interior looks like here. Because this, like, to me, that is just, that's the, the white one.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Oh, the Group B one.

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, the Group B. Like, this is fucking sick. Now, you don't have, they don't have to put necessarily the same kind of cage in it. They could, you know, they could do like, sort of what Borum is doing with that Escort. You know, you, you would want to make it something that a person could get in and drive. But really, it would be this. Like, like the same with like, you know, I love Magnus and I think that Jaguar Super Cat thing is probably going to drive awesome. And I like Cazile very much. But like, I kind of wish it just looked like the old Jaguar race car, like the TWR race car from the 80s. Like, just do that. And I think some folks like, kind of rein it in a little bit.

• 44:34Matt Farah?

  And like, I really, like, this is, to me, is very sexy. Like, you maybe flare the fenders a little more. You don't necessarily need the mud flaps, per se. But like, this is the fucking, this is the tittaz. So this has got the F40 steering wheel. It's got the F40 bucket seats, the F40 flocked dashboard. You know, I, I, you pretty much can just stop there.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I mean, this is an in-period racing interior, effectively, so.

• 45:06Matt Farah?

  I, I, if I was making them today, if I was Micheloto, I would luxury it up from this a little bit, not too much. You know, I'd put some, I wouldn't have bare metal. I'd put some something over the bare metal interior.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  It's so loud with that stuff.

• 45:20Matt Farah?

  It is so loud. You wouldn't want it to be that loud. But I think you could get pretty close to this and it would be awesome.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  See, I think, I think the Micheloto's switchgear on the right side is very cool. I just wish the, the center wasn't just a flat rectangle screen, especially for, you know, I'm sure the, the cost will be very high. So I'd want something, yeah, put some analog gauges in there. But I do think like, over here on the right, in the original car, you've got a bunch of switch panels and fuses and stuff you'd expect in a race car. The new one has the same thing as like, a clear tribute. I think it's pretty cool.

• 45:55Matt Farah?

  I don't hate a switch panel. I love me some toggles, love a toggle. I love a toggle with a fucking cover thing on it. That's pretty cool. Look at the tack on that.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  It's funny, the tack is oriented with like, 8, 9, 10 at the bottom, not the top. But I guess as you get close to where the shift lights are.

• 46:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, your, your red line in this engine in stock form is 7,500 RPM. So the racing engine, let's say it goes to 85 maybe.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Just some cars, they'll rotate it so that your red line is at 12 o'clock and this is at 6 o'clock.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  How interesting.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, oh, there we go.

• 46:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, I, you know, there's, to me, there's like, you got this, this rally car, the Mercedes SLC rally car. Nothing looks better than the Mercedes SLC rally car. That is like, but dude, if you got rid of the mud flaps, you do not need these mud flaps. You could, in modern, in a modern car, you could have a little tighter mud flap there. But like, that, it's got Lancia Estrados wheels on it, dude.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  It does, and also it's white on gold. And I think it also, what we're doing is highlighting how good-looking the 308 is on its own.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  And with just some paint and wheels. But if you want to charge all the money, you can't just do a color change with wheels. You gotta do a full carbon body thing. And plus, they also.

• 47:12Matt Farah?

  You, if you did, you could be a carbon body. It just has to look like this.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 47:18Matt Farah?

  If it was this, imagine it made, you know, 350 horsepower at 8,000 RPM and it weighed 2,300 pounds because it was carbon fiber.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  We skipped that part because this car does make, what, 100 more horsepower than stock. It also weighs 300 pounds less than a 308 does. So it probably, I mean, I'm sure it rips.

• 47:35Matt Farah?

  It probably rips. If it has, if it has, you know, the modern steering ratio, like the Evoluto car has, that would be important too, because the 308 has a slow, old-school steering. But slow, old-school steering may, may be beneficial in the rally car though. You may want that.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I think you want fewer turns lock to lock. The less overhand you have to do.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Probably, yeah. Yeah, I wonder, I wonder what that's like. God, I'd fucking love to go loose surface in a 3.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  In a Ferrari, oh my God, that'd be great.

• 48:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, it'd be the best. I don't, I don't hate this one. I, I find the front end, it's a little questionable to me, particularly compared to the original, like, Euro bumper car, or even compared to a 328.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  But Lancia Estrados wheels.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are great.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  No front view, come on. Not a great picture, but yeah, without the, without the impact bumper.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Well, see, so the race car is just kind of an open black space with the, with the signals. So it actually is really close.

• 48:36Matt Farah?

  How interesting. The stock car would have a very thin, black rubber bumper that goes across the front of the car.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Stock car.

• 48:45Matt Farah?

  And actually, when you take that away and or remove or black out the silver grill below it and put the light bar there, that's funny, it does make it look much more like the modern one has done it.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:00Matt Farah?

  How interesting.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I think, I think it looks much better without the black bumper bar. And I think it looks really cool. Like, even, even the old race car, they paint the, the grill black. They get rid of the bumper bar because they have the fog lights here. I think that looks really good.

• 49:15Matt Farah?

  I didn't, I guess I didn't notice, I guess if you took the light bar off of the front of this one, it would kind of look like the new one.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  Without that black bumper bar. Shit, if you're not going to have those fog lights there, you might need some little black line. Not a bumper, per se, but you might need a little, there is a little tiny line there.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  There is.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  But I think it's red, I think it's body color, or is it black?

• 49:42Speaker 01

  No, it's black.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  I'm, I think that might need to be slightly thicker and more pronounced, just for me, but I understand what they're going for a little better now that I've seen that car. But dude, my money is just build the fucking rally car again. That's what's up.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  I think this thing would be so fun. Well, if they get the dynamics right, I think it looks great and probably sounds great. And it's not too fast. It's, where, it was in 350 horsepower?

• 50:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  I think in the press release.

• 50:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  It's just.

• 50:08Matt Farah?

  That's good.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Normal. And the car weighs 2,000 pounds or something like that.

• 50:11Matt Farah?

  That's a ton if the car weighs 2,000 pounds.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it could be dry weight, but even so.

• 50:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's, they're Italian, it's dry weight for sure.

• 50:20Matt Farah?

  That's definitely driveway.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 50:22Matt Farah?

  I, but at least, you know, that's, that is, it is a cool concept that I'm kind of into on this one. Yeah.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  And I think, I think personally that this enhances the shape of the 308 in a way that gets close to 280 GTO, which I think is a beautiful car, whereas the Gallardo from before we were talking about, I think it worsens what is a very iconic, very geometric shaped car.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  Proportional. Gallardo's are, yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  They're very proportional.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  They're, it's a cohesive design.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Sure, definitely.

• 50:53Matt Farah?

  You know, any, any Gallardo makes sense. There's not one where like, what the fuck were they doing with that one? You know, they all, they all work. See, I don't think that, that design needs much improvement.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Everyone's trying to cash in on, on the rest of the thing. I get it. There's, there's clearly money out there.

• 51:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, and, and is, look, if, if all of the mainstream supercar makers are going to force you into a hybrid and people don't want that, they're going to find ways to engage with machinery one way or the other. And it's going to be in stuff like this.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  And also if we can take today's technology and suspension and whatever, manufacturing and steering ratios and use those parts and that knowledge to fix or improve things about old cars that we don't like.

• 51:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Compared to modern driving, great.

• 51:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  But you just have to be very careful when you start messing with the aesthetics of something that is a classic, because you might scare some people away.

• 51:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's true. It's, a lot of these companies have to do the aesthetics because you need, you know, you're showing it on a screen. We're talking, we're talking, we got, we need something to show. If it was just a photo of a stock looking 308.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  And they went, well, because I guess, remember that company, what's it called? Fioravanti, I think it's called, maybe? They did a Testerosa. They did a Resto mod Testerosa. It was like 100 more horsepower, redesigned interior, blah, blah. But the exterior was like pretty much the same, except for wheels. And nobody really cared. And that's, and that's like, I think maybe, well, I don't think they did a necessarily a, is that right? Did I get it right? I don't think they did necessarily a bad job, but the car very much looks, I think it's extremely tasteful. It very much looks like a, like a restored Testerosa with wheels that are an inch bigger. I mean, that's all it really looks like. They haven't

• 52:49Matt Farah?

  really done a whole lot on the outside, but there's, there's a lot of the kind of shit you really would want. There's upgraded electronics, there's upgraded brakes and steering and they rebuild the engine with a bunch of go fast shit and it makes it more responsive and, and faster. And so, you know, there's all of that, you know, all that looks like it's stock, but I think it's made of metal instead of plastic. Like, it's sort of like, you know, Icon, they kind of hide it all. You know, they don't shove it in your face.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  Which I gotta admit, like, I'm kind of into.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  I'm into as well.

• 53:23Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Especially when the car is stunning to look at. And if you just want to make it drive great and make all the tactile stuff inside even better, I think that's really cool. I think everyone, I think people like Roof, Singer, you know, they've obviously built huge brands and businesses over, over decades now, even for Singer, well, Singer's like 15 years. I think a lot of people think they can do the same thing. And they may not realize exactly how much work, care and obsession has gone into making those cars drive great and then look amazing.

• 53:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Like from, from literally every, every angle you look at, every single piece has been like thought about over and over again from Rob and, and Alloy.

• 54:02Matt Farah?

  Well, it's just like knowing when to stop. You know, the, the best, the best of these kinds of cars are usually pretty understated.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:12Matt Farah?

  You know, if you, if you see a Singer Turbo in, in like dark blue, if you're not incredibly fucking astute, you have no idea. You just see an 80's Porsche.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 54:25Matt Farah?

  You have absolutely no idea what that is. If you see a Roof Yellowbird going down the road and you don't absolutely know what to look for, you know, that's not 3 million bucks. You don't, that's just an old Porsche, you know what I mean? So kind of knowing, knowing how to, where to stop is a very, very bit, crucial bit of artistry.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 54:47Matt Farah?

  When it comes to the very high end.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Any art, I think knowing when to stop is really hard. And sometimes the accounting department or of an OEM tells them to stop. Sometimes a committee tells them to stop. Or, you know, whoever commissioned the art tells you to stop maybe. But I think it is, or a great artist knows when that's enough.

• 55:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  I think it's hard.

• 55:07Matt Farah?

  But I, you know, I think DK Engineering does a car, a package for the F40 that just like makes it great to drive. It's got like ceramic brakes and a better steering ratio and they fucking hot rod the engine a bit and like, it's all hidden. You don't see any of it. But, cause like you telling me you're going to make an F40 better? Like Richard Rawlings tried it. Like, sorry, no. And so, but, so this, you know, this company, I'd love to drive this fucking Testerosa they've got. Maybe they'll have it in Miami. That's the kind of gig where they would have this kind of, kind of thing.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  It is.

• 55:38Matt Farah?

  A white TR. I'd really like to have a go in it. Testerosas are really, really nice cars. They're not, I, I respect what they're doing here because they're not particularly exciting to drive. They're, they're cool and they're shockingly fucking well made. I, I need, Testerosas are incredibly well built, considering they're made by Ferrari in the 1980's. They're so, so solid and nice, particularly compared to the 308's and 328's. But they're not that exciting to drive. So if this thing makes the engine rev a little freer, make a little more power, and just turns up the braking and steering a little bit, I bet

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  you they have a nicely exciting package for the TR. That doesn't, I mean, imagine thinking you could make a Testerosa look better. Fucking crazy.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  You gotta be very, very careful.

• 56:33Matt Farah?

  That's fucking crazy.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  I mean, you, you know, there's the rules of the crash standards and bumpers back then. There's those things that you might be able to address.

• 56:40Matt Farah?

  Look, even Ferrari failed at it. The Ferrari, the Testerosa looks great. The 512 TR is perfect. And then they made the 512M a little weird.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Mm.

• 56:49Matt Farah?

  It looks a little strange. They're worth a lot of money because they're rare, but the front end of a 512M is to me and a lot of other people, including Chris Harris, I debated, I talked to Chris Harris about this three hours one night, about why the 512TR is the perfect one. These wheels compared to the TR suck. And the headlights compared to the TR suck. So it's all about the 512TR, if you ask me. The front end of this is a no-go. It's like halfway to the 550.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  It's half the F50, yeah.

• 57:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But it just doesn't work.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:25Matt Farah?

  And the wheels really don't work.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:27Matt Farah?

  Those are the, those might be the worst wheels put on, I mean, maybe any semi-modern Ferrari. Definitely any Ferrari of the 1990's. Those are the worst.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  These are terrible. They look like stars that are twisting. That's no good.

• 57:40Matt Farah?

  They're awful.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  It's like they saw the turbo twist.

• 57:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  And then they're like, what if, what if we take our very famous gorgeous five star wheels and just twist them?

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Well, shouldn't have.

• 57:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, if you look at one of these and you look at a 512TR, it's a world of difference.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  It's gotta be, it's gotta be, look, I mean, it's gotta be hard to keep selling cars, especially when your cars are so beautiful and celebrated. Like, we gotta change something to sell a new one without building a new car. We need to freshen this. I mean, every, every car company deals with this.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Ferrari's dealing with it right now. The 849, ironically, the 849 Testerosa is also, and like, look what's happened to the rear, the rear fucking end treatment of this compared to the 512TR is very weird.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  It's not gone well here.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Well, they, they took the round taillight element that they're very famous, they're on a lot of their famous cars, but then they slapped it on a car that's very like geometric.

• 58:37Matt Farah?

  Very, very weird, yeah. So, anyway.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  All right.

• 58:41Matt Farah?

  But, and there's an Acura NSX one too. Did you see this one?

• 58:44Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 58:45Matt Farah?

  Our pal Graham Rahal is going to be like a dealer, I bet Nat's going to be a dealer for them too. And it comes on the, Acura announced also, they're going to be making 3,000 new parts for the NSX, which is really good. Cause there's a lot of parts, believe it or not, you know, as dependable as that car is, there are a lot of parts in servicing it that are very, very expensive and can be hard to come by. And so Acura making parts again for that car is like really, really important because it's such a nice thing to actually put miles on. Yeah, look at this thing. The JAS Pininfarina Honda NSX Resto mod.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  The Yas?

• 59:22Matt Farah?

  Yas, is it Yas?

• 59:23Speaker 01

  No, I don't know. It's J, I think it's JAS.

• 59:25Matt Farah?

  JAS, JAS Tensei?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 59:28Matt Farah?

  So this is a lot. I mean, this thing is, this is a major sort of re-body. It looks like really only the greenhouse has been left alone. Everything below the greenhouse seems to have been changed. The rear three-quarter, the, the, has a lot of like Ferrari F50 in it to me.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Looks, I think it looks awesome though.

• 59:51Matt Farah?

  You like, so you like, you like this overall. This is very, very modernized.

• 59:58Matt Farah?

  You like this?

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  You did until I questioned it. Until I said it like that, like Jillian would say it to me.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Well, I think it looks like if you modernize the NSX and you made it today. It looks thicker. You got these front projector LED things, like these modern headlight designs that they drop into stuff. I think the whole car looks bigger, thicker, more muscular.

• 1:00:21Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  So I don't think it looks better than the original. I think the original looks smaller and sleeker and is obviously like timeless.

• 1:00:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  But I don't think this looks bad. You know what it looks like? R35 GT-R and NSX have child. There's like, like the bulk of an R35, like the muscles of it, the frame of it. Like, I don't know, just everything about this looks like it's taking a little TRT, which I think that the R35 looks like.

• 1:00:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  So this is a TRT NSX.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  I, I don't hate it. I think some angles are better than others.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  You like this?

• 1:00:55Matt Farah?

  You have some other angles.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  You like this?

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  I don't hate it. I don't love it.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:58Matt Farah?

  I don't hate it, but I don't love it. Well, do you know how to make someone really feel like an asshole? Hannah and Jillian taught me this.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  It's whatever you plan to do. Right? Like, like after the show, you're gonna go home and walk Tucker. Right? So I just go, so you're just gonna go home and walk Tucker?

• 1:01:20Matt Farah?

  And there's nothing you can say to that that doesn't sound defensive immediately.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Right, because your sense just sounds like whatever I'm doing is so minimal.

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  So they're the, my, my wife and my sister-in-law are the queens of this.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  So you're just gonna be married to and hang out with these people that are like, have this manipulative trick?

• 1:01:38Matt Farah?

  And so you're just gonna question it? Yeah. Once you see it, once you see it.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  So you're just gonna go to space and live on a space station for like two months?

• 1:01:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, once you see it, you just spin it back around.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  So it's, the tone is everything is stupid.

• 1:01:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So I see, I see a little McLaren in this, in the way that the, the doors are sculpted and the scoop is sculpted. I see a little like maybe 720 vibe there. The question is like, it's like you said, a lot of TRT for an NSX. If this thing is less than like 600 horsepower, you know, how, how does it? Like, the NSX, I've driven a bunch of them, is a very 90s driving experience. And you'd have to do an awful lot of work to make it drive like that thing looks. You know?

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay.

• 1:02:34Matt Farah?

  Like to make it not look like a body kit. Like the NSX original drives like it looks. It really does. Actually, it's, looking at one is a pretty accurate representation of how it drives. It's low and small and light looking and somewhat dainty. And that's what it's like to actually drive that thing. This, the other one, the blue one, the new one, looks like muscular and like real fast and aggressive. So like, is it going to be that?

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 1:03:02Matt Farah?

  Do we have an engine? What in the story, does it say what the, what the power level is? If we go back to the 425 horsepower. This says British Specialist Judd Power. Is that like Judd as in Judd?

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Like Judd as in Judd V10?

• 1:03:17Matt Farah?

  The V10s, is that the same Judd?

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  I hope, I'll find out, but I hope so.

• 1:03:21Matt Farah?

  If it is, naturally aspirated engine, three and a half liter, 425 horsepower, 8500 RPM. That would be cool.

• 1:03:32Matt Farah?

  That, that would be very cool.

• 1:03:36Matt Farah?

  So it is, yeah. I think that is the original Judd, 2,700 pounds.

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  It is possible this could be very fun. 425 horsepower is a bunch. And if it's the same Judd, they certainly know how to make an engine.

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  It's a lot of air going into the side of it with those scoops.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  I think it's the same. I mean, their website says like they've got a Judd, five liter V10, five and a half. They got a bunch of V10s.

• 1:04:05Matt Farah?

  All right.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  So I think it's probably the same. Specialty engine builder.

• 1:04:09Matt Farah?

  Scroll down on this one, is there anything? It doesn't, oh, go, go up. Go back up a little bit. They, they, I want to see suspension here. Red Force Construction redesigned suspension, carbon ceramic brakes, center lock wheels, good tires. What I don't see is a steering ratio change.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Six-speed manual, torsion.

• 1:04:29Matt Farah?

  Well, it has, it would have that before anyway. Okay, go down, is there another?

• 1:04:36Matt Farah?

  I don't see any, yeah. It doesn't. Here's the, the interior, it looks, I don't want to say stockish, it's definitely been re, rewrapped in stuff, but the general shape of it is pretty stock.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  It is, but the whole center console with like this aluminum bright work.

• 1:04:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  And a new screen reminds me a bit of like mid, like 2010 Volkswagen.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  Yes, it does.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Right? With the, you know, softened geometric shapes, rounded corners. Not a bad thing, it's just what stands out.

• 1:05:12Matt Farah?

  I, I think the, what would really make a difference with this car is, is gotta be the steering ratio. One of the, probably the main reason I got, I got rid of my NSX for being not that fun was that the slow steering ratio just made it feel so old. And I mean, they've got a lot of shit going on here in this interior. A lot of updates actually, once you actually zoom in on it. The steering wheel is modernized and it looks like it's sort of copied from Porsche a little bit with some driver knobs at four and eight o'clock to maybe change modes. They've, they've changed what are like the, the wiper and radio controls with some sort of funky covers there.

• 1:05:55Matt Farah?

  And it looks like even a digital screen instead of the gauge cluster, maybe.

• 1:06:00Matt Farah?

  And like, you know, it could be light and fast and really fun, but that steering ratio better be like two instead of three, whatever. Otherwise, it's not gonna achieve the thing it needs to.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  I would, I would expect it to be changed, given how much they've changed.

• 1:06:16Matt Farah?

  I would too, but I'd also.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  This is a completely different car, effectively.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  I know, but I'd put it in the press release.

• 1:06:24Matt Farah?

  They list a lot of shit. It's not in the press release. Anyway.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  Rest of mods. There are many.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  There are, yeah, there are many.

• 1:06:34Matt Farah?

  There are many, for sure.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  The steering rack is electro hydraulic and developed specifically for the car.

• 1:06:41Matt Farah?

  Okay. So maybe it's got a new ratio and it's got electric power steering.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  So it was in, it was on a different website that had that.

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  Got it. That road and track's not very thorough, is it?

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Spending too much time building t-shirts and award-winning artwork.

• 1:06:56Matt Farah?

  All right, let's go to the people. Let's talk to those motherfuckers. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast. Get in the game. You can get the show live, you can get the show early, you can get the show without ads, you can get extra show. You can get exclusive early access to collabs and things that we do. And you can support your favorite car podcast, assuming of course, that's this one. If it's not, you should support your favorite one, whoever it is, just saying.

• 1:07:26Matt Farah?

  I hope the, the, this is going up next week, right?

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so we'll have been in Miami. And the show we recorded in Miami will be up on the Patreon. It is an abridged show that would not be suitable for many ad breaks. So Patreon show it is, and you'll be able to get that interview with Scott Dixon. Pretty cool that we get to do that. I'm right now packing for Miami and I'm really trying to figure out, the only thing I care about is what watches do I bring to this watch festival? Do we bring a Notice Canyon? Because of course. Do we bring a Grand Seiko? Because it can be a good brand ambassador for them. Or do we go full baller, just wear the most expensive shit I've got? It's Miami.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  That is your question. I don't know. I'm gonna bring this, because it gets more compliments than anything. And I'm gonna bring a Notice Canyon, because also I'm not gonna try to go there and be a baller, because I will lose that contest very early in the, in the game.

• 1:08:21Matt Farah?

  I will too. I will immediately lose the contest. I'm not capable of playing with these fucking folks.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Right, some, there's plenty of six-figure watches or more there.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  Seven. This is a deep pool.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is gonna be a heavy bike.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  So I can't, I can't do that. So it might, maybe we should just go, go.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  I would wear interesting and what you like.

• 1:08:38Matt Farah?

  Interesting and or, and or unique, possibly one of one stuff. Yeah. Interesting.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Wear the blue Weiss?

• 1:08:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, we could go exclusively piece uniques, where we have only, only one of ones. I haven't, I have enough of those.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  What if you wear all of them at the same time?

• 1:08:59Matt Farah?

  Double wristing, there'll be people double watching. I, I, I just can't bring myself to do it.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  No, it's like, it's like playing the card game War. You're just like, you have four watches and they're all piece uniques.

• 1:09:09Matt Farah?

  There's people that do that shit. I just can't do it. Can't bring myself to do it. And the other thing is I don't want to keep, I don't like traveling with more than one. I don't like keeping track of them. You know, I fucking, I'm not, I won't lose it, but like, I just don't want to think about where the other one is if, if I'm not wearing the really expensive one, so. This is what I'm thinking about all fucking day, not the clothes. Plus, I've got like.

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  You're just gonna go home and just think about watches the whole time?

• 1:09:33Matt Farah?

  All day.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Just stare at them in your case and be like, what do I do?

• 1:09:36Matt Farah?

  I mean, I'll stop, jerk off, think about watches some more, jerk off again, usual.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Do you wear the auto winder for that? Because it?

• 1:09:44Matt Farah?

  That is, that's what I call winding. That's, that's watch. Honey.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Hannah, I'm winding.

• 1:09:48Matt Farah?

  Wind. Get up. Winding it up in here. All right. Once a tech, now a teacher. Have you ever bought a car because you drove one and thought, I have to get me one of these? I mean, that's called a test drive.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Well, but you, you drove some one-take cars where you were like, please sell me this car. And the owner said, no.

• 1:10:08Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  So I think that would be the more exciting version.

• 1:10:11Matt Farah?

  That's true. I, I.

• 1:10:16Matt Farah?

  Well, I drove the Mach-E on the press launch and I thought that would be a great car for our family and I was right.

• 1:10:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, almost, almost, there's more.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Ooh, Focus RS.

• 1:10:29Matt Farah?

  That went the other way. I bought that without driving it and I hated it. That's, that's, that's actually a warning story. Is you should not buy a car unless you drive it first, because you might be financially tied to something you fucking do not like. Cameron Fry's Regrettable Kick. Search, uh, search Aston Martin Lagonda on Bring a Trailer. Oh, someone made a coupe.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Someone made a coupe.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  Whoa, looks great. I am pro this. You might as well make it a coupe. The fucking backseat is pretty much useless in those.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:11:04Matt Farah?

  That looks great. It's 60,000 euro, four days remaining. I do like it. It's the right color. It's blue over cream. The wheels are great. Keep, let's see what the rest of it looks like.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  I feel like this is when you put a real, a map of like Alaska next to the US with the real size, like the hood on this thing.

• 1:11:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Is longer than the rest of the car.

• 1:11:25Matt Farah?

  I mean, I really do. I think this car looks great as a coupe. Kind of looks like a Mercury Cougar, a little bit. But it is very, very nicely done. It's an automatic. It's got great interior. Uh, does it have, I can't tell if it has the digital dash or not. Fixed sunroof.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  It looks like it does.

• 1:11:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah. Wow. Forty thousand miles. The engine looks 5.3 liter doc V8, Bosch fuel injection, it was, and replaced, so it was running, serviced, underside looks really clean. It's a three-speed automatic. Yeah. That, that was the original gearbox.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:12:05Matt Farah?

  That was the original gearbox.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  So bad. Oh, here, oh, cool. Here's how they measure and cut it?

• 1:12:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they laser scanned it and chopped, they chopped however many inches out of it. God, that's awesome.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  They did, they did a good job.

• 1:12:16Matt Farah?

  I really like this car. I think it looks fucking cool.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  I think this color props, they shot it at noon, which is tough.

• 1:12:24Matt Farah?

  Man, you could probably pull some trophies with this thing at a, at a various events. It's really, it looks great. Really nice conversion. Looks like, it looks like it should have come from the factory like that. Super cool. Really into it. I hope that, uh, I hope that it sells for some, some, to somebody in California. Yeah, digital dash.

• 1:12:49Matt Farah?

  I love that. Very good find, very good find.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  Currently bid to 60,000 pounds.

• 1:12:54Matt Farah?

  Euros.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Oh, euros, sorry. You are right.

• 1:12:57Matt Farah?

  Into Germany.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:13:00Matt Farah?

  Very cool. Love it. Uh, Christian in Chicago. Ferrari, uh, sales numbers seem to be great, but the cars just seem okay. Are people buying to get future allocations? Their future cars, even super limited production, don't look that exciting?

• 1:13:19Matt Farah?

  Well, look, I mean, that is just your, your opinion and my opinion. I mean, people are buying these cars. We are getting, we're, you know, we're getting two nine sixes in here at West Side. We've got a few of those now. I'm not sure where all the Puro Songways are going, but, um, I, I don't, and I, I don't know. I, Ferraris are still fairly low volume. They're, they're sold globally. The cars might be going to China or the Middle East. You don't, you know, Russia. Who the fuck knows where these cars are going? It's not, they're not all just going to New York and LA. I agree with you that, that the large majority of what they're selling right now isn't personally appealing to me.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  And that's why Evoluto and these other companies have a business. But people seem to like the 12C manual. Mike Duff drove it, thought it was great. Kamisa drove it, thought it was great. Like, people seem to be into that.

• 1:14:18Matt Farah?

  But, you know, there's, that's why I think a lot of these other smaller outfits doing resto mods and stuff like that have a business, because that ultra-high net worth customer is not necessarily excited by that product. HoopD157, what used performance cars do you see trading with the highest mileage? Uh, for example, E46 M3, uh, what else do you see out there?

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Toyota trucks. I mean, it's not, I know he said that, but like, that jumps to my mind. Those things just do not go down in price. Four hundred thousand miles, they're still selling for like 10 grand, 15 grand. Uh, probably Porsche's.

• 1:14:57Matt Farah?

  Nine elevens and Cayenne boxers and stuff will have a lot of miles on them.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  If they've had the refresh to offend or whatever, sure.

• 1:15:05Matt Farah?

  BMW's M cars are a good, a good example, because they're reliable enough, you know, and practical enough that people will just buy one to use it as their car. There's a lot of E39 M5s with a gazillion miles on them too. Because people could buy them for like 11K and for that cheap, you'll deal with the service costs, you know, because you've, you're, you're in something really cool.

• 1:15:29Matt Farah?

  I see a lot of E55s, like 04 E55s, 02, you know, the E55 donor car I bought my Mercedes project had like 240,000 miles on it and was on its second engine. The engine had like 40,000 miles that I pulled out of this car.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  What about Corvettes?

• 1:15:48Matt Farah?

  They either have a million miles or like none. Nothing in between.

• 1:15:55Matt Farah?

  USS Enterthighs.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:15:58Matt Farah?

  Zach, when buying an E46 M3, what do I else, what do I look out for other than the quote, big three? What are the big three?

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Big three are rod bearings, um,

• 1:16:08Matt Farah?

  Subframe?

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Subframe and, uh, venus rattle.

• 1:16:12Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, look for those. Look for, um,

• 1:16:16Matt Farah?

  Water pump leaking?

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so 100,000 miles, the evap tank and the water pumps are known for exploding, mostly the evap tank, but that causes a bunch of problems. So has that been replaced if you're near that mileage? And if you are past that mileage, has that been replaced? And then it's like, I mean, there's, like, I'm not trying to, there's so many other little things that will happen or won't happen. Like, uh, Jade, who runs FCP Euros Marketing, has a E46 M3 with like 220,000 miles. And whenever I post my shit breaking, he writes back, he's like, none of that's happened to me. So, you know, like weird electronics, does that go wrong? But the big three are important. I just look at maintenance records and has the owner or owners taken care of it? And where is it coming from? Is there rust or other hidden shit?

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Is the interior rattling apart? Because that does happen. All the, the clips will start to vibrate and break. You have to replace those things. I don't know, man. It's, it's like, all cars I'm just learning are a crapshoot. Anyone who tells me that their cars are really reliable. Like, dude, when I was on Doug's show, Ken, Ken has an M5 E39 and he's like, did I tell you this already?

• 1:17:25Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  I'm telling him about my car and he's like, mine, mine's been totally fine. Mine's been totally fine. I found out later how much he spent on preventative maintenance, all up front.

• 1:17:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  So much money?

• 1:17:35Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  So much money.

• 1:17:37Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  I won't give away the number, but I,

• 1:17:39Matt Farah?

  My Ferrari 328 was totally fine after I spent $50,000 fixing it, everything.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, so his comparison was wildly unfair. Um, so it's, but Porsche, Chevy, whatever, like,

• 1:17:52Matt Farah?

  You can wait till it breaks or just give them the money now.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  You can do that, you know. People said I should get a Chevy SS and then I find on the forums, they're like, parts are hard to find. This shit falls apart.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  Australian, they don't make the fucking, they close the factory.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  So, uh, but yeah, big three, look at the maintenance records and just, um, be ready for the journey, because a lot of weird things go wrong.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, once a car is beyond, I mean, there, there are cars that have horrible design flaws. Like, like, like what you, the big, the rod bearing thing, right? And that becomes, has it been addressed and has it not been addressed? Once you get past that and a, a car, you have an, a 10-year-old or 15-year-old BMW M3 and a 15-year-old Corvette and they both have the same miles, you're fucking rolling a random pair of dice on both of them fucking cars. And it's not, if, if the BMW or the Corvette is historically somewhat more reliable,

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  that will have some bearing, but, but nowhere near all the bearing on what happens to you and this particular car. Like, fucking no way. Yeah.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, like my, my gauge cluster, a transistor started leaking and leaked onto the circuit board. Transistor is made from who knows who and like that goes into eight million cars and products all the time. So I got one that decided to fry itself. You might not. So it's just, it's just luck.

• 1:19:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, you know, my Focus RS had the wrong fucking head gasket and it was like, built, you know, it was like the hundred cars they built today all got the wrong, because it was one box of them. And so all these cars had the problem. But like, if you didn't use that box, like the car's fine, you know what I mean? But everyone's like, the head gasket, it's like, these vids, just the, you know, so whatever.

• 1:19:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, huh? Next was, uh,

• 1:19:45Matt Farah?

  yeah, I think we've answered this same question. Haven't we answered the same question before?

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  I think, I think it keeps getting asked. Maybe we skip it?

• 1:19:53Matt Farah?

  I think this, I think this question has been asked before. Seasons in the Abarth. Give us your pitch for the first episode of the Grand Tour. Oh, boy, featuring Matt, Zach and Johnny.

• 1:20:06Matt Farah?

  Where are you going? What are you doing and what are you driving? That's a, I mean, that's, that's very hard. There's a reason this is hard.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  Well, and there's also like, do we want to do a sports car thing? I mean, I, I would love to do the cheap exotic car going across difficult landscape adventure.

• 1:20:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  Doesn't, I don't know, any part of Africa would be great. Never been there, so let's get some weird things and see if they can make it across whatever country or part of the continent.

• 1:20:32Matt Farah?

  Sure. I mean, I'd like to somehow involve

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  really old, like a really old car going, like a, you know, a twenties era car that was really built for dirt roads. Doing dirt, doing a dirt road thing compared to a modern, you know, a Subaru Outback Wilderness or some shit like that.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  You know, what if you did that with three generations, like a, like a twenties Ford, a fifties Ford and a seventies Ford? And we're driving, so which one will handle bumpy roads, you know, for a thousand miles better? That might be, or you could do different OEMs, but like cars that are 30 years apart. And what do they, it'd be fun to find out what do they shine at and what do they struggle at independently?

• 1:21:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  Um, I mean, there needs to be

• 1:21:26Matt Farah?

  an ex- a, a, a culture to me. I also would like, I would probably do a segment on like, a, a culture that uses cars in a very strange way. You know, whatever that might be. I mean, maybe, you know, that means that like, it's, it's like in Thailand, like the long-tail boats that are like a Subaru and, you know, it's not a supra-engine on a Tiller.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:52Matt Farah?

  You know, and I would wanna like, build my own long-tail drag boat, or something like that.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Or the folks that use them for surface-to-air missile mounting.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  This Hilux.

• 1:22:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. What is the best C-SAM, you know, not C-SAM, not C-SAM, that's, that's that's the wrong, that's the wrong acronym. What did I, what did I mean, what's surface? SAM! It's just surface to M, it's just not without the C. Yeah.

• 1:22:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  I have to cut, and then clip that, no. I think that acronym is okay to say.

• 1:22:26Matt Farah?

  I think you could say the acronym, I think it's fine, but like, I think that's why the acronym exists, but, but either way, I just, I just meant SAM.

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  Not C-SAM.

• 1:22:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, deactivate cylinder firing in the west back. How much of WCCS's success do you attribute to reputation in your, in the car industry? Uh, some, not all. Some, not all. Uh, I would say that when we have on our inquiries form, like if you go to WCCS.com and fill out the contact us form, like you wanna keep your car here maybe, there's a dropdown menu for how did you hear about us? I would say twenty-five percent are the smoking tire, which is a big percentage. I mean, the rest are pretty much Google Maps and, and/or a friend. You know, but assume, I would assume of the friend, half of that is probably the smoking tire.

• 1:23:22Matt Farah?

  They ask their car buddy, and their car buddy has heard of us because of me, so, so.

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  A decent amount. I mean, it's certainly a decent amount. I mean, if you, if, if you try to pivot being a name in an industry into a offline business or whatever, a business, a sub-business service industry within that general industry, that is helpful, for sure. Not everything. You actually have to do the rest of it right, and I haven't always done it right. Um, and you have to have access to some money to build a fucking building, which not everybody has or can get, and I do, and I'm very lucky in that regard. Not everybody could do that. Not, not trying to overlook that bit too, but, um, yeah, it does help.

• 1:24:13Matt Farah?

  Okay, Johnny E.V. Gerberman, is there a clientele for a Resto mod-type Boxster Cayman to reimagine if Porsche hadn't stunted the Cayman for marketing versus, uh, tuning shops doing packages? I mean, that's just putting more power in it. I mean, there's not, the only reason it's, it's hamstrung is, is power. And power is available all over the place. I, my car is a perfect demonstration of that. My car is absolutely faster than a fucking GT3.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  So.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  I think to your point from earlier, though, those cars are too new to me to need to have the quote Resto mod.

• 1:24:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  Like, put wheels on it, a little body kit, power if you want to, but like.

• 1:24:59Matt Farah?

  You're tuning, that's a tuner car.

• 1:25:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You don't need to reimagine and like redesign so much of the car, change so many things, just doesn't need it yet.

• 1:25:07Matt Farah?

  Resto mod is a restyling and a new interior and it's, you know, all kinds of shit. What you're talking about is engine swapping and suspensions. Like, that's what we're talking about, and that's tuning. Do that shit. We are pro that. Pure, purity ring sangue. Kia EV6 GTs used are twenty-seven to thirty thousand dollars. IONIQ 5Ns are still over fifty K. Any reason for me to wait for them to come down, or is the difference between them smaller than one would imagine?

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  They're very, very different. Before I drove the 5N, I would say that the EV6 GT was the most dynamic EV on the market. Um, and that's not wrong. It rides and handles and steers fabulously. The 5N has a lot more. It's got better chassis, better brakes. Um, it can do a track day. Like, you won't, you're not doing an EV, a track day in an EV6 GT. It just is a very nice thing to drive. It's a nice everyday road car. The IONIQ 5N is a proper sports car, like, proper. And, uh, there's a lot you can do with it that you can't do with an EV6 GT. Having said that, if all you're doing is commuting in it, I would save the money and buy a cheap EV6 GT.

• 1:26:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:29Matt Farah?

  I think the 5N has a bigger battery pack, though, and therefore better range. I know EV6 GTs, if you start to go quick in them, the range is like horrible, horrible. But they are very nice.

• 1:26:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, I, what is that watch? Casio CMK100. Thoughts on the Casio CMK100? I haven't seen it. Let's see what it is.

• 1:26:59Matt Farah?

  Look at this. This is, yeah, that's a nice-looking watch. How much does that cost? It has, uh, panoramic-like numerals on it. It's an automatic watch.

• 1:27:13Matt Farah?

  It's got made-in-Japan movement, magnetic resistance, three-end dial. Do we know how much this thing is? Uh, three hundred bucks? Four, oh, four forty for the metal, for the full metal bracelet?

• 1:27:25Matt Farah?

  You know, it's very interesting. That is kind of a little more than I would have thought. I think you could, for my four hundred and forty dollars, I'd probably buy a Seiko or Citizen before I bought a Casio. Just me. But, you know, Casio makes G-Shock. It's not like they don't have a history of making good watches. It's, I'm sure that is a fine quality item, and I don't hate how it looks. But if you showed, showed me that watch and told me that it was ultimately like five hundred bucks, I'd go, doesn't, it doesn't give me five hundred dollar vibes. But it's not bad. Not bad. Excuse me.

• 1:28:05Matt Farah?

  But I agree that it is good to have affordable, like, I would buy that watch before I bought a Moon Swatch. Like, a Moon Swatch is the, the Swatch thing, it's made of plastic that's trying to look like a Speedmaster.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:18Matt Farah?

  This at least has sort of its own character. You can buy a watch for that same money that'll last you the rest of your life. LL Cartier, if you were to do hotel reviews, what, what would be the bullet points of what you would analyze in a hotel?

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  Sheet quality.

• 1:28:35Matt Farah?

  Sheet quality, and, and really, uh, the firmness of pillows. Like, I stay in a lot of supposedly nice hotels where the pillows just fully deflate. I don't necessarily need a hard pillow, but the pillow has to have sort of a minimum size that it will deflate to. You know, like, it can be soft, but I still need, it still needs to be a couple inches here. They really deflate to like nothing.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  See, what's funny is, I think Holiday, Holiday Inns, well, not a nice hotel, I know that, but their pillows all seem too inflated, and I often sleep without the pillow, because it's like, it lifts my whole head up.

• 1:29:10Matt Farah?

  So you're too hard or too soft. Yeah, you need a middle.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  But I feel like cheap hotels, the sheets and the duvets don't breathe, because they're like as cheap as possible, and so you feel really hot under those. I hate that.

• 1:29:20Matt Farah?

  I also, here's my biggest one, is when you have, when you can, when there's for some inexplicable reason, a fucking window into the bathroom. From the bedroom to the bathroom, you could just see in. Like, and sometimes this has been really extreme. Hannah and I stayed at a hotel where you could be sitting on the edge of the bed, turn your head right, and look into the shitter with the door closed, the door closed. Bathroom door, clear glass. Shitter door, mild frosted glass.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:56Matt Farah?

  And you're just looking right into pants around ankles. Hannah took a photo of it and sent it to fucking Julian.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Right there.

• 1:30:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Matt Farah?

  That's terrible.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:30:06Matt Farah?

  Me and Tom Morningstar once stayed in a room like that that had two beds in it. Now imagine, imagine a hotel

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:15Matt Farah?

  where you got two beds in there. These are two people that are not comfortable with each other naked. If they're in this room, it's buddies, it's a parent and a child, it's financial reasons, whatever the fuck. Why are we looking into the shower?

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  I agree. I wonder, I'm sure it's just a, a cost thing, that all these hotels, they go, a window, a window is cheaper than a wall, but the frosting is not enough. Yeah.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  That's no good.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  It's so gross.

• 1:30:43Matt Farah?

  I really like when a hotel gives you a either, like, a big bottle of, like, you know, bottled water or a nice bottle of filtered water, like, un, like, unlimited good, good water in the hotel. I like that. I don't wanna have to drink from the bathroom faucet.

• 1:31:02Matt Farah?

  A really, really nice, not like super high-end, but like a nice Nespresso or equal. I don't want them janky fucking packets.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Matt Farah?

  You don't wanna use, you don't want a coffee machine in the hotel that someone could hypothetically wash their underwear in. I have learned about this. Do you know that's a thing people do?

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:20Matt Farah?

  That people wash their underwear in hotel coffee pots? Like, if it's a little, like, you know, Cuisinart one?

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  That is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard.

• 1:31:29Matt Farah?

  Believe it or not, it's actually, this is a women's thing. This is a women's thing. It's not, men don't really do this. Women do this. It's gross. Women do a lot of gross things that we don't think about, or have to really deal with.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  So like, you mean, if, if, if the hotel has like a coffee pot you can fill?

• 1:31:45Matt Farah?

  They will, they will put the underwear and a little soap in there and make hot water, and that's, then that's what they're doing. Yeah. That's a thing.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  The hotel probably has a laundry room also.

• 1:31:58Matt Farah?

  But that's not, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:32:01Matt Farah?

  I'm just saying, that's why, that's why it has to be a pod-type machine in the room, so that's not even an option.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So there's that.

• 1:32:12Matt Farah?

  There must be, uh, a all-law-and-order channel on the television. Twenty-four, seven, three sixty, pretty much, or ION.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:20Matt Farah?

  But some, some don't have it. I actually start, you know what I really like is now when they have a Roku.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  I've never used a Roku.

• 1:32:26Matt Farah?

  I know, because we live in our, we live in our rich people bubble here, and we use Apple TV. Uh, but apparent, the rest of the world, like, everybody's got a Roku, it's so popular, and they have an all-law-and-order channel on the Roku. So this is solved if you have a Roku.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:32:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's important, and then, um...

• 1:32:48Matt Farah?

  A gym. Like, like, like, like, like, not, it doesn't need to be amazing, but it's, you know, reasonably equipped.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:56Matt Farah?

  And ventilated gym.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Preferably with a window.

• 1:32:59Matt Farah?

  Preferably a window, but, you know, but a gym, it's gotta have a gym. That's pretty much no, uh, non-negotiable. But, yeah. And make eight ass clap. Bought the T S T tactile turn pen. This thing is sick. Uh, oh, can you show the camera your pen patina to see what mine will look like? Um, yeah, I'll go, I'll go get it. Hang on.

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:33:23Matt Farah?

  This one?

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Sure, do that one. Yeah. And then hang on.

• 1:33:26Matt Farah?

  Here's.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  This.

• 1:33:28Matt Farah?

  Here you go. Here's mine after a year compared to the brand new one on the right.

• 1:33:38Matt Farah?

  So, pretty patinaed. It's much, much, much darker. You, you, I don't even really remember when mine was the color of the new one.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:33:48Matt Farah?

  And it's pretty, it's uni- uniform. The whole thing got patinaed, except right underneath the clip.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Well, I guess it oxidized.

• 1:33:57Matt Farah?

  It's from the oils in your hands and stuff. Yeah. I think if this one just sits here, it will not patina. It needs to be from the oils in your hands and use and touching it and shit.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  I just thought it would be layered, would be thicker on parts of it where that you touch more frequently.

• 1:34:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it is, it is a little bit uneven. It's not a hundred percent even patina, but because I do, I do, like, I sit around and like twiddle with it. It might be more patinaed than if you only ever picked it up and by the bottom, yeah. I'm glad you like it, though. I talked to Will at, um, Tactile Turn. There are 10 pens remaining. If anybody would like to grab the Tactile Turn pen collab. They're fucking dope. I really like writing with them. Oh, wait, there was a question there with the pen. Show the patina and.

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  They didn't know.

• 1:34:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'm struggling to find a good notebook that doesn't awkwardly hold the pen and has good paper. Uh, so I don't like using notebooks that have a pen holder. I, there's people who love that. Uh, it's not for me. I keep, I keep my pen in a different pouch in the, in the man purse.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  I had one that held it well, but when I'd open the notebook to write, it adds a ridge to it and that's where you, that's the problem.

• 1:35:05Matt Farah?

  For me, the problem is the notebook has to lay flat and the pen holder always gets in the way of the notebook flat. Some, um, there's some models of notebook that have a little, like, little elastic loop on the outside. That's the best kind. And I don't know what brand it is, but the one that has just a little elastic loop.

• 1:35:26Matt Farah?

  You may even be able to like buy some elastic and like, if you're handy, you could probably glue it in and make yourself.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Loop's a good idea.

• 1:35:33Matt Farah?

  I am on the very, very last page of this notebook. Today, November 5th, the first page of this notebook, April 28th, 2025. So you have one year and, uh, seven months. Uh, six months, yeah, year and a half. These are almost universally, they last me 18 months. Almost every single one is 18 months. But that's every page, front and back, totally filled.

• 1:36:03Matt Farah?

  I write a lot.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  You do.

• 1:36:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt's cats are my Roman Empire. Uh, where do you think your cats land politically? And how did each of them feel about the midterms?

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  One jump to mind, Cricket is a private equity Republican, and I say this because when we eat dinner at your house, Cricket jumps right on the table and walks up to like each plate to try to steal food and we have to like tell her no or push her off or whatever.

• 1:36:25Matt Farah?

  She's private equity, not a welfare queen.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, because she, because she doesn't listen to the, to the word no. And it's like, hey, the rules are, and she's like, the rules don't matter to me. I'm in a lobby, I'm gonna find a loophole, I'm gonna hit up each of these things. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:39Matt Farah?

  I will Hoover up everything imaginable.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:36:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's Cricket, for sure.

• 1:36:45Matt Farah?

  Nikki is, uh,

• 1:36:51Matt Farah?

  Nikki flip flops. See, she's a flip flopper. So she's like, she's like a, she's maybe like a Fetterman. She's, she says she's a Democrat, but she'll abandon you at key moments.

• 1:37:05Matt Farah?

  Just like the actual Democrats. Um, Monty, um, comes from East LA. You know, he's an East side, East side cholo. And so I, I'm gonna bet that, um, if he was around, uh, he probably would have voted for Trump in 2024. But definitely not this year. He's over it. His standard of living has not improved the way he thought it was going to. Um, even though he found his way. He's, he's moved in. It's like, it's like when a farmer goes to visit, you know, Amsterdam and it's like, it's so clean. I can see where the tax money is going. That's Monty. Monty's like, oh my gosh, these people really take good care of me.

• 1:37:47Matt Farah?

  This, uh, this socialist lifestyle is fab, is really fabulous.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:37:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, uh,

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  Finn.

• 1:37:55Matt Farah?

  Finn, um,

• 1:37:58Matt Farah?

  you know, Finn isn't, she, Finn is apolitical. Finn is like a, like a, like.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Libertarian.

• 1:38:03Matt Farah?

  He's a libertarian, but he, but he's so personable and can justify his behavior in any way. Uh, you, you go, yeah, he's kind of an asshole, but he's got a point. It's like that. He's that guy, you know?

• 1:38:20Matt Farah?

  How do they feel about the midterms? I'll tell you how they feel about the midterms. What they really know is that their parents felt perhaps the first truly natural mild sigh of relief in many, many years. You know, I, I don't like, obviously the Democrats have a history of getting power and then totally squander it and doing nothing. So like, I am not expecting much. Having said that, we've got like millennials that are elected into office. We've got trans people elected into office. Like people that are the first of many ethnicities, uh, backgrounds elected in office. Old people are getting kicked the fuck out and told to kick rocks.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  A lot of the candidates that, that succeeded were running on things that were similar to like a Bernie Sanders. So he's not the only one anymore. So.

• 1:39:12Matt Farah?

  And, and I, and I, so, so like the people, me and my friends, it's like, we have been, if you've been fucking paying attention, you know, the possibility of like outright authoritarian fascism was like not zero.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:39:26Matt Farah?

  Like it was not zero. And if you read Naomi Klein, or if you read Thomas Snyder, or anybody who writes about authoritarians, uh, uh, or Sarah Kenzie, or any of these fucking people. Chris Hedges. You just go, this, these are the signs. They're the signs. They're fucking here. And so like a giant wave of telling these fucking assholes to kick rocks is extremely important. And so, and the, the very minimum, you go, in 2028, if he's not dead, he's gonna leave. They're gonna make it. Like, that was really the worry, was he would go, I'm not leaving.

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:02Matt Farah?

  And a shitty Republican Congress would go, okay. So like, at least I'm pretty confident now that he's gonna either die or leave in 2028. Which was, I was not fully confident of before.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree. Now we have some checks and balances hopefully back in. The, the big trick, of course, and AOC talked about this, is like, the big beautiful bill, which strips away so many things, goes into effect in January and someone, and basically like they do this on purpose. They, the start time of their legislation that hurts people begins when the new either admin or Congress Senate takes office, so then they can blame them. So just pay attention to how that works.

• 1:40:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I mean, they've already done an enormous amount of damage that will require like a generation or more to undo.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:48Matt Farah?

  But at least it's not like literal.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  It also, it also really.

• 1:40:53Matt Farah?

  Mirror of Germany 1937.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  It also really buoyed me that, you know, the people that may have voted for, I think there's a lot more people that demonstrated critical thinking and were unhappy with what became, even though if, you know, some of us had like, this is what's gonna happen. So it was like the populace rejected what was being done on a larger scale. And I, that made me really happy.

• 1:41:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, listen and sometimes watch. How dynamically, how do you compare a, a high-end performance SUV like a Macan Turbo with a rally modified sports car like a 911 Dakar or a, a lifted BRZ, et cetera, with a more traditional OEM style rally car like an STI, a GR Corolla, an Evo, et cetera. Uh, all three trying, seem to be trying to get at the same thing from different angles, uh, a balance between performance and usability on the street. Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, so the traditional rally cars are where we started, right?

• 1:41:53Matt Farah?

  The, the, the performance all-wheel drive systems, the, the steering, the, the, um, torque vectoring stuff and brake vectoring stuff that all helps you maintain control on a loose surface. Those type of things work on the street for when you're in the wet or in the snow. They work on the track. Especially once, you know, advanced electronic controls got to the point where you could really use these things without them feeling like they were killing the power of the car, right? And using those tricks from rally cars was a way to make SUVs fun. And, and that's what they, the OEMs realized. A lot of people wanted the space of an SUV, but they did want

• 1:42:36Matt Farah?

  fun, all-weather performance on the street. Rally modified sports cars are like more focused. Like they, they take the thing that the sports car does and then they, they, they soften all of it and dial it back. So they're not gonna be, you know, as universal. Like if you took a Macan Turbo stock on all-season tires, for instance, you could rip it up a canyon and you could take it down a dirt road and like send it pretty good down a dirt road, too. If you took a, a lifted 911 on a canyon, it, it would be sloppier than it, than 911 should be.

• 1:43:18Matt Farah?

  And then you could take it down a dirt road and it would be much better down the dirt road as the, uh, than a 911 would be normally. But perhaps, uh, at, at the expense of its, uh, abilities on the road. The traditional OEM style rally cars are more affordable cars. I mean, they're designed to be, they're not exotics anymore like they were with the Lancia Estratos or the, or the Ferrari 308 Micheloto. They're, they're cars for everybody that are, that are tuned up, um, for performance. And so there's a ceiling to how, quote, nice those cars would be, you know?

• 1:43:56Matt Farah?

  There's also really none of them left but the GR Corolla in America. So like dynamically, you know, the rally modified sports cars are gonna be as good or better than the OEM style rally cars on the street. You're typically starting with a higher end of caliber of car. You know, if you start with a 911 versus starting with a Subaru Impreza, making it into a rally car, you're gonna end up with a proportionally better car at the end, right?

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all gonna be quieter and feel more solid. I mean, it's just a higher build quality in general.

• 1:44:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  But then things like noise, vibration, like that will depend on your tire choice, your wheel choice, a bunch of other things.

• 1:44:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The performance SUVs are great for what they are, you know, unless you happen to have a sports car also to compare it to, and then you go, I can see the drama.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  They're trying to be sports cars.

• 1:44:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Not trying to be rally cars. That's, yeah.

• 1:44:50Matt Farah?

  Go by a C4ZR1 says, you mentioned, can you scroll down a little? You mentioned a couple of shows ago that Ford should not have dropped the Shelby name from the Mustang lineup. It made me wonder how the aftermarket will view these cars. Shelby's seem to have hold their value well. Part of that may be because they're the last, but in my local club, there's a bunch of them represented at every event. I can't imagine there'll be a lot of dark horses in the future. Totally agree. Shelby GT350s and all generations of GT500s hold their value super, super well. Just look up, pull up on bat real quick.

• 1:45:29Matt Farah?

  I bet you, I bet you that, that modern Shelby GT500s have a shockingly high resale value. They've always really overperformed in collectability.

• 1:45:47Matt Farah?

  And it really, because you put too many elves. You put a bunch of elves in Shelby. So like, that's 313 miles. Look at this, 680 mile, 2014 GT500 coupe, $78,000. See, low miles. There's a 17,000 mile 2020, if you scroll down, that's 17,000 mi, oh, it's still active, sorry. Can we go to results? If you go to auctions and then results. Sorry about that.

• 1:46:21Matt Farah?

  Results, oh, it's being a slow.

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  Very slow.

• 1:46:25Matt Farah?

  What's the fuck?

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  I have to go here.

• 1:46:28Matt Farah?

  Now you have to search, yeah. Sorry about this, guys. We're trying to get you good info in real time.

• 1:46:35Matt Farah?

  Go down, go down, go down. Oh, that's what we want. Keep going down. Previous auctions. Here we go. Yeah, dude, these are holding about 8,000 mile 2010 GT500, $44,000. Remember that car, that car was probably $50,000 when it was new. So the 07s don't hold well, but the 2012 and 13s really do. The 2021s do. These hold value well. I don't think dark horses will hold their value as well. I think the Shelby name does carry some weight.

• 1:47:08Speaker 01

  Probably. Now, if Ford, if Ford just, it was gonna take them 20 years to build up the cachet of, you know, if they just keep dark horse, dark horse, dark horse, and just hammer it, eventually the car's own merit will make them retain value.

• 1:47:20Matt Farah?

  Eventually.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  But it's almost like the SEO, like they just need to build that in.

• 1:47:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Matt Farah?

  All right, last one. Moonshiner says, Moonshiner28, I live near Tail of the Dragon. I'm thinking of building a weekend mountain road and track car with a first generation BMW 1 Series. Should I get a 128 or 135i?

• 1:47:46Matt Farah?

  I don't know why you would get a 128 if you can afford a 135.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  The only reason, I mean, it's a little bit lighter and a benefit, I mean, at least Tail of the Dragon is so tight. The power that you get from a 135 and can with mods is like totally useless. But the roads around Tail of the Dragon open up a bit.

• 1:48:02Matt Farah?

  I don't, I think that's true if you've got like over 500 horsepower, but the difference between 200 and 300 horsepower here is a lot.

• 1:48:12Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:48:13Matt Farah?

  I would, I would get a 135i, and rather than investing money in increased power, I would put your money in reliability, just make that thing run perfect, you know, not too, not too aggressive, just make, service it, get, handle all this reliability bullshit like we did in our giveaway car. It was like 8,500 bucks and stuff. Seals and plugs and wires and filters and all, whatever the, the fuel pump issue is that those N54 engine has, do all that shit. Good tires, good suspension, lightweight wheels, keep it simple, good brakes.

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  And have fun for a long time.

• 1:48:51Matt Farah?

  And you can do that over time. I would get to do the servicing of the engine right away, and then, you know, then your wheels and tires, and then your suspension, and then your brakes, you know, as you, as you need things.

• 1:49:03Matt Farah?

  I don't have a handy track list of the, of the Aston, but I will get it, I will get it when we get the car out here. That it? That's our show? Yeah. We'll save any other questions for the next show. We appreciate you guys very, very much. That's it. Thanks, patrons. We love you guys. We appreciate you very much. And if you're, if we're gonna see you in Miami, we wanna see you in Miami. And I hope to meet you all down there. Bye.