The must-hear advice for every new mum

In today's episode: What’s the best piece of parenting advice you’ve received? We asked our hosts and listeners to share their advice for new mums to make the transition to parenthood that little bit easier. Thank you to Little One’s for making this episode of The Room possible! Get exceptional nappy performance at an Everyday Low Price, only available at Woolworths. The Room is produced by Dimity Kirkwood, video produced by Scott Walton, and executive-produced by Lucy Hunt. Our social media team consists of Naima Fatema, Erin Taylor and Divya Simmie, and our partnerships managers are Tabitha Rachmat and Tahnee Malina. We're a new show, and the best way to support us is by clicking ‘follow’ on Apple and Spotify, and we're super grateful to anyone who leaves a five-star review while they're at it. Also! An old-fashioned 'Tell a Friend In Real Life' is equally appreciated. You can follow The Room on Instagram and TikTok. Follow our hosts on Instagram here: Freya, Rafa and Georgia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:04Georgia Allison?

  Welcome to The Room, where mothers meet to share their inner world. We're your hosts, I'm Georgia Allison.

• 0:10Freya Bleathman?

  I'm Freya Bleathman.

• 0:11Rafa Husain?

  And I'm Rafa Husain.

• 0:12Georgia Allison?

  Today, we have a bit of a theme of the week is we're going to be sharing other mums advice that they would give to other mums. And we have a few that have been written in, which we have just loved to go through. Honestly, so many. So thank you so much to our listeners who have written in. And we're gonna see how many we can get through because they are gold, aren't they?

• 0:34Rafa Husain?

  I'm so excited for this episode. I just feel like.

• 0:37Freya Bleathman?

  You're a big advice girl.

• 0:39Georgia Allison?

  I was going to say that.

• 0:40Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, I think the episode could just be Rafa, like, you know.

• 0:43Rafa Husain?

  Talking.

• 0:44Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah.

• 0:45Rafa Husain?

  I don't know why, I'm like a self-help girl.

• 0:47Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, you are.

• 0:48Rafa Husain?

  And I grew up, and I mentioned it, like, it grew up through my mum. Like, my mum was taking me to Eckhart Tolle, I don't know if anyone's read the car of now, when I was 14.

• 0:57Georgia Allison?

  Wow.

• 0:57Rafa Husain?

  And I do think that a lot of those little principles just like, ended up making an impact in my life. So anyways, I'm an advice girl. I love this kind of stuff. I wish I saw this type of episode before I became a mum. So hopefully, like, our listeners find it useful too.

• 1:12Freya Bleathman?

  But first, this episode of The Room is brought to you by Little Ones. Exceptional nappy performance at an everyday low price, only available at Woolworths.

• 1:20Georgia Allison?

  Before we get in, should we start with a parenting win or a parenting loss?

• 1:24Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I love these.

• 1:25Georgia Allison?

  From this week? Anyone got anything?

• 1:28Freya Bleathman?

  I, I think it's a win. We took Golds to her eight-month maternal child health.

• 1:33Rafa Husain?

  Eight months.

• 1:34Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 1:35Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, little baby growing up. And, oh, like, I always feel complicated when I go to those appointments. I think especially her being prem. I just feel like a lot of the time we'd leave and we'd be just feeling really worried about her development and her being behind.

• 1:52Rafa Husain?

  It can be really deflating if you have like lower percentile babies and the anxiety around low birth weight and stuff.

• 1:59Freya Bleathman?

  And the kind of, is she doing this? No. Is she doing this? No. Is she doing this? No. But for the first time, and, and we almost didn't go, which is really bad. But we were just, we were about to leave and we were like, do we want to do it again?

• 2:10Rafa Husain?

  Because they've been so bad.

• 2:11Freya Bleathman?

  We're feeling good about things at the moment. And it wasn't anything they said. It was just, it just sucks to be told, you know. It feels like it's somehow your fault if your kids are not at children's homes. But it was the first time where we just felt like it was just all really positive.

• 2:27Rafa Husain?

  Good.

• 2:27Freya Bleathman?

  And they were really happy with her and they were saying we were doing a good job and it was just nice.

• 2:31Rafa Husain?

  Oh, pat on the back. Well done. You are doing a great job.

• 2:34Freya Bleathman?

  Thanks, guys.

• 2:35Rafa Husain?

  And you can see, Goldie's thriving. Like, she's, she's ready for this world.

• 2:39Freya Bleathman?

  She's coming, leaving now.

• 2:41Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, that's so nice. Because to get to that sort of part of, you know, she's eight months now, like.

• 2:46Rafa Husain?

  Personality's coming through a bit.

• 2:48Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, I mean, I'll say Freya's birthday on the weekend and she's like loving life. She's chomping on a piece of meat.

• 2:54Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 2:55Georgia Allison?

  She's enjoying everyone around her.

• 2:56Freya Bleathman?

  It's the South African in her. So barbecue.

• 3:00Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, it's so nice.

• 3:01Rafa Husain?

  That's awesome.

• 3:02Freya Bleathman?

  What about you, Georgia?

• 3:03Georgia Allison?

  Oh, I feel like it's a bit of a loss this week. For context, I have three-year-old triplets. We're having a bit of a decline in wanting to go to childcare and kinder. So the drop-offs have just been really hard.

• 3:13Rafa Husain?

  Don't say that. It's meant to be like.

• 3:15Georgia Allison?

  I know. I don't know. They just go in weird.

• 3:18Rafa Husain?

  So they're almost four, therefore next week.

• 3:21Freya Bleathman?

  And they're all at the same time, like they all.

• 3:23Georgia Allison?

  Interestingly, like, each of them will have a turn. So like, for instance, this morning, one of my sons just doesn't want to go to childcare. We're at the, we're at the room, I'm saying my goodbyes and they, then they sort of just like feed off his.

• 3:38Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, they catch, they catch the.

• 3:39Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 3:40Rafa Husain?

  And they're like, oh, mum, mum. And, you know, I'm trying to get to work.

• 3:42Georgia Allison?

  So it's just this, it's just such an icky feeling trying to leave and needing to leave quickly. But then wanting to tend to them. It's also like sort of equally beautiful because Jude was the most upset. So I said to his brothers, Malo and Finn, you really need to look out, look after Jude today. Like, he's feeling a bit sad. And they all took hands and walked off together. Like, they took his hand and walked off.

• 4:06Rafa Husain?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 4:07Georgia Allison?

  And it's the first time in a while where like, it is such a special bond having them there together at the same time. Yeah. When they first went to childcare, people said, oh, they'll be great because they'll have each other. And I'm like, oh, yeah. And I'm really seeing that flourish now. Like, they do have each other and they're looking out for each other. And I think that sort of additional responsibility that I said to Malo and Finn, like, you know, you need to look after Jude today. Like, they really took it on.

• 4:33Rafa Husain?

  So cute.

• 4:36Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 4:37Freya Bleathman?

  Rafa, what about you? How was your week?

• 4:39Rafa Husain?

  We've had a bit of a win, I have to say.

• 4:41Freya Bleathman?

  No more runaway logs?

• 4:42Rafa Husain?

  No more. Yeah, gosh. After last week's loss, major loss. Um, I have mentioned before that Will and I end up seeing a marriage counselor. It's sort of perfect for this topic around advice and stuff. Um, and one of the things that came through a lot was around connection moments. How to find connection in your busy weeks. And for context, 13-month gap between a one-year-old and a two-year-old. And so, yeah, just getting that time back in the week has been really hard. And Will's an event producer, so he often does like lots of events and, you know, takes them away for the weekends and stuff like that. So we, we kind of needed to connect on like, when can we fit something?

• 5:22Rafa Husain?

  And she had this advice, a counselor, around stacking an admin piece with something that you love. And for us, we like date nights and cocktails and things like that. She's like, why don't you do that at home? And credit to Will and also a benefit to me is that Will used to work in hospitality. He was a bartender for a really long period of time. And funny story that during COVID, um, we just started making cocktails in our house every week. And then all of our friends started wanting to know what cocktails they should make. So Will did an Instagram called Will Bar Drinks. And I think, I haven't looked at it for five years, but there's like 30 or 40 cocktails that we made across that year online.

• 6:02Rafa Husain?

  And she was like, bring that back. And so we try and have dinner with our kids most nights at the 5:30pm special.

• 6:10Freya Bleathman?

  Which is my ideal dinner time.

• 6:13Rafa Husain?

  Five to 5:30.

• 6:14Georgia Allison?

  It's great.

• 6:14Rafa Husain?

  We're done. And we, it took us a little while to adopt to it because we kind of were like, trying to hold on to us having dinner together and like our time in the night. But as any parent that knows that has dinner not at 5pm, put them down for bed. And you're not starting dinner until like 7:45 and you're eating at like 9. That ain't for anyone, cook and clean. So it's actually better for all of us that we do sort of five to six nights dinner with the kids. But this, on Thursdays, we're now choosing that night to be our night to have a date night. So our hashtag for our wedding was raw love, Rafa and Will love. And so it's now a calendar invite in our calendars. It's raw planning and date night. So we talk about the week ahead and admin.

• 6:54Freya Bleathman?

  Sorry.

• 6:55Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, Rafa and Will. Um, and yeah, so we're doing a bit of like the next week's planning, movements for the house, what we're going to make in with a cocktail or a nice dinner. And he made me a spicy margarita, which is my cocktails.

• 7:11Georgia Allison?

  That's my favourite too.

• 7:12Freya Bleathman?

  Really?

• 7:12Rafa Husain?

  Yeah.

• 7:13Freya Bleathman?

  And a Bloody Mary.

• 7:14Rafa Husain?

  Yeah. How good's a Bloody Mary? Underrated.

• 7:18Georgia Allison?

  I wish I was cool enough for a Bloody Mary.

• 7:19Freya Bleathman?

  Is that cool?

• 7:20Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 7:21Rafa Husain?

  Have a Bloody Mary with tequila. It's even better because they're usually made with vodka and with a tequila. Well, I'm a tequila girl.

• 7:27Georgia Allison?

  I like tequila too.

• 7:28Rafa Husain?

  So anyways, yeah, spicy pineapple margarita last night.

• 7:32Georgia Allison?

  My gosh. This is such good advice. And I feel like it really goes into what we're, you being the advice queen.

• 7:38Rafa Husain?

  It's around like the connection.

• 7:40Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Rafa Husain?

  And it was a win because we're starting to do them on Thursday night. So it doesn't make for a great record in the morning if you've had one or two cocktails. I was like, I'm a little bit dusty.

• 7:50Rafa Husain?

  Probably one too many. Anyways, yeah. So a bit of a win.

• 7:54Georgia Allison?

  Nice. Well, this week we're talking about the, the advice seasoned mothers would give to other new mums. We did a call out on our Instagram and we had to ask, what advice would you give other mums? So before we get into those pieces of replies we got, let's go with what we would give from our point of view.

• 8:13Rafa Husain?

  Of advice that we would give to mums, yeah.

• 8:15Georgia Allison?

  Either in their pregnancy or early postpartum, what advice would you give? What do you reckon, Freya?

• 8:21Rafa Husain?

  Your freshest. Yeah. Do you have anything that's standing out as like a?

• 8:24Freya Bleathman?

  I think just as much as you can get off social media. I think you see the extremes of all the opinions and people are so like, if you sleep train, you're ruining your child. Or if you co-sleep, you're trying to murder them. And like, it's just, it's so extreme.

• 8:42Rafa Husain?

  It is extreme.

• 8:43Freya Bleathman?

  And it's so stressful. And a lot of it has absolutely zero evidence. But people say things with, with such conviction. And when you're so vulnerable and tired and worried about doing the wrong thing, it can just really suck you in and make you feel even more anxious. And also just like the ads and, you know, buy this and you'll sleep. When you're reading that at 2am, so sleep deprived, I spent so much money just from ads, sponsored content, all of those sorts of things on social media. So, yeah, I think, I know, I know there's a piece to say about it being an option for connection and things like that as well. But maybe just be a bit judicious.

• 9:23Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I think, yeah, they, it tends to prey on vulnerable women and with products and everything is sort of centred towards. Kind of capitalism, commercialisation. So it's a, yeah, really good tip. How about you, George? A bit further along?

• 9:37Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, I don't know. I feel like if you are pregnant right now, if you're a listener right now, I feel like try and start your maternity leave earlier. It's like the one that I came up with. See if you can go speak to your midwife, get your O B Y, O B to sign off on maybe a week's leave, just a little bit earlier. And just like relish in that time. I, um, obviously was on bed, not bed rest, but I started my, um, uh, what's it called? Parental leave a little bit earlier because I really wanted to enjoy um, a bit of time while I was well enough. I went for swims, long lunches with like friends, family, went to the movies.

• 10:19Georgia Allison?

  Um, I was gonna say, I did go to a pregnancy massage, but we weren't going to.

• 10:23Freya Bleathman?

  Salamoo. For those who don't know, I had my baby punctually early because someone T-boned me on my way to a pregnancy massage.

• 10:30Rafa Husain?

  So sad.

• 10:32Freya Bleathman?

  But when you had your babies, even though they were only thirty one and whatever weeks, would, with the, their combined weight and things like that, what did your obstetrician say about the, you were the equivalent number of weeks pregnant?

• 10:46Georgia Allison?

  I think on the, the day that they were born, um, and I was like, for context, thirty one weeks and four days. And also with my, uh, placentas, like all together, I think it was nearly five kilos.

• 10:59Rafa Husain?

  Wow.

• 11:00Freya Bleathman?

  So didn't they say you were basically like forty four weeks pregnant?

• 11:03Georgia Allison?

  Forty two weeks pregnant. So at thirty one weeks, I was like forty two to forty three weeks pregnant.

• 11:09Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah.

• 11:09Georgia Allison?

  Yeah. But what's that measurement that they do?

• 11:11Freya Bleathman?

  Like the fundal height or something?

• 11:13Georgia Allison?

  Yes, the fundal height. That was the measurement that they did.

• 11:15Rafa Husain?

  Interesting.

• 11:17Georgia Allison?

  So that's, I feel like that's my piece of advice. I mean, also get a good like insulated cup, like really random. I, I.

• 11:23Rafa Husain?

  So true. Banger.

• 11:25Georgia Allison?

  Rarely have time for a hot coffee or a hot cup of tea or any, or even a cool drink, like, you know, an iced latte. So get an insulated cup. And, cause it will sit there on the table for ages. So you wanna come back to a, a warm coffee.

• 11:39Rafa Husain?

  Hundred percent. That's a good one. I, I was thinking about this. I, um, yeah, I've had two back to back pregnancies and I feel like the advice changed the first time and then changed again. So the thing that stands out to me the most, probably the most common thread that I would love women who are pregnant or trying to conceive to understand is like, you will hear that nothing can prepare you for the baby, but in fact it can. And I wish there was a little bit more information around what the fourth trimester.

• 12:12Georgia Allison?

  It's all about the birth.

• 12:13Rafa Husain?

  It's all about the birth and it's all about, I look back and I'm like, they were just ridiculous things and not representative of what the first month is gonna feel like or the first six weeks. So my piece of advice is as much as possible, just understand what's gonna, what's happening with your brain, your hormonal changes and get your partner in those conversations. I still think it's insane that you present to a G P around wanting to try for a baby and no one tells you what that first month with a child is gonna feel like. And I've used this clubbing analogy a little bit where, you know, having a baby in those early days can feel like that moment. You know, when you're like going home and you've had like an really big night.

• 12:54Rafa Husain?

  It's five A M or, and you're so tired, like you're almost delirious. That is the mindset that I think people should know is what it feels like when you get handed your baby.

• 13:05Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 13:05Rafa Husain?

  And then they don't go, like, you don't get that sixteen hour of sleep, you're not getting maccas on the delivery. And that element of tenacity, perseverance and tiredness is what you need to sustain for three weeks. And I just wish, because I think my mindset would have been different, like that I'm going more into like a marathon mindset. So it's like a physicality piece. Um, an adrenaline driven piece where the baby, holding the baby is delightful and it's a reward. And I do love that idea of like the newborn bubble. But I think everything around that moment of holding the baby is really hard. And there are moments where, you know, the baby's screaming and you're kind of looking at each other and you're like, what the fuck have we done?

• 13:47Georgia Allison?

  Oh, what do you do?

• 13:48Rafa Husain?

  This is insane. What do you do? And so, yeah, I would just say like, actually preparation of understanding what that first month could pay dividends. That's probably the overarching theme of.

• 14:00Georgia Allison?

  Especially if you've come out of like a long labour. Like I actually don't know how long each of your labours were, but like I've got friends who had, you know, laboured at home for two days and then went into, um, hospital. Unfortunately to no success by vaginal birth and ended up having an emergency cesarean. So by the time they were handed the baby, they're running off like zero sleep after about forty eight hours.

• 14:23Rafa Husain?

  I had a twenty four hour labour with Lila, um, seven to, like twenty four hours before in the hospital.

• 14:30Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Rafa Husain?

  Um, active labour, not very long, like sort of four hours. Um, but she birthed at four forty four A M. So she's also got angel numbers on the fourth of July.

• 14:40Freya Bleathman?

  God, it was a P M.

• 14:41Rafa Husain?

  Oh, yeah. So, yeah, but Lila was born four forty four A M on the fourth of July. Crazy.

• 14:46Georgia Allison?

  Oh, that's so cool.

• 14:47Rafa Husain?

  In birth week number four. So I was like, any listeners, tell us about the significance of those numbers. But yeah, like, think about that timing, right? Like it's four A M, they're, they've got needs straight away and it's, it's pretty exhausting. So yeah, I think there's just something around. I wish I knew that a little bit more.

• 15:06Freya Bleathman?

  Would you have done anything differently if you'd known?

• 15:08Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I probably would have prepared more in terms of what that might look like. And look, this goes into the advice that there's a follow up question that we can go into now, actually, is, um, of the advice that you did hear, what have you found most useful? I birthed at the Royal Women's and they had a birth and parenting like kind of course. And we're like, oh, we'll throw our hat in the ring. Actually, it was fundamentally life changing in how we experienced that. So yes, there was a lot about the birth that I thought was important for Will to hear, to be honest. I think some of those courses are actually better for the partner.

• 15:42Freya Bleathman?

  Well, we went to a birth course.

• 15:44Rafa Husain?

  Yeah.

• 15:45Freya Bleathman?

  And, I mean, obviously there's stuff I don't know, but there's like a fair bit about, I've been to a lot of births, let's say. And a lot of it was helpful for Ru. I, I did get a lot out of it as well, actually, but.

• 15:58Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I do, like, and I come back to, like, if you can do that course, cause I was on the fence about it. So my advice around like, would you have done anything differently? It's free. Yeah. I would definitely do that course around parenting. There was a couple of things that came through. There's this parenting philosophy called circle of security.

• 16:18Freya Bleathman?

  I've done the course.

• 16:19Rafa Husain?

  Have you done it?

• 16:19Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, through Mum Matters from day one.

• 16:22Rafa Husain?

  It is.

• 16:23Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah.

• 16:24Georgia Allison?

  Really?

• 16:25Freya Bleathman?

  Oh my gosh. I wanna do it again. It's basically this, it's very well backed up by good evidence. And about how to raise a securely attached child, which we know has so much impact on people's lives going forward. This idea of kind of not having this anxious attachment or avoidant attachment, but just really secure attachment. And it talks about, um, really what we call authoritarian parenting style. Rather than permissive or authoritarian or neglectful. And it's really about giving kids the ability to this circle, kind of leave the safe haven of their parents and then also be able to come back. So

• 17:07Freya Bleathman?

  they need to feel secure to go out, but then also feel comfortable coming back in again.

• 17:11Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, that's beautiful.

• 17:12Freya Bleathman?

  It's really, I highly recommend.

• 17:14Rafa Husain?

  I just don't think people should become parents without doing that course, to be honest. Like, and so shout out to from day one. We both had experiences there. I absolutely love that place. But if you can seek it out. So I got exposed to that through this, um, parenting course and an app called C O P E, which is a centre of perinatal excellence, again, um, given to me by the Royal Women's. And those two courses, I think, like, I just came, came back to. So if you can do that, that's the advice that was given to me.

• 17:41Freya Bleathman?

  And the course we did, um, we got a lot of it rebated on Medicare. One of the couple had a mental healthcare plan. So.

• 17:48Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, right.

• 17:49Freya Bleathman?

  I think it ended up being like fifty dollars and it was a seven week course, one hour a week. And we just brought our baby with us.

• 17:55Rafa Husain?

  Yeah.

• 17:55Freya Bleathman?

  And it's also based on a book.

• 17:58Rafa Husain?

  It is, yes. There's a very famous diagram. That image alone, I think.

• 18:02Freya Bleathman?

  We've got it in our fridge.

• 18:03Rafa Husain?

  Do you have it on your fridge?

• 18:05Freya Bleathman?

  The circle.

• 18:05Rafa Husain?

  I reckon we need to share it on the social and.

• 18:08Freya Bleathman?

  I borrowed it from the library. Yeah, I listened to it.

• 18:11Georgia Allison?

  And what was it called? The same title?

• 18:13Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, circle of secure, or raising secure children. I'm looking at Dim because you're gonna need to add the image. It is a game changer. Um, and then one around postpartum that has stuck with me is around, um, like just breastfeeding and how intense that experience can be.

• 18:30Freya Bleathman?

  I could, I, even with my like work experience, I was not expecting it to be as hard as it was.

• 18:37Rafa Husain?

  Yeah. I thankfully got told by a midwife when I couldn't get the right latch, that a lactation consultant was going to be a game changer. So we got um, a paediatric lactation consultant into the house within day three, because thankfully I had friends and people that had gone through breastfeeding challenges before me. They were like, if it's hard, do not wait. Don't put yourself through the misery of the first three weeks if you can get them in the first three days. Because you're told this story that it's the most natural thing that you're gonna do. And I can tell you right now, that shit ain't natural. It becomes natural if you kind of want to go through the project of, I reckon, patience and perseverance and pain.

• 19:21Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Rafa Husain?

  Three P's related to, I just made that up, but I do, I was like, fuck, that was pretty good.

• 19:28Georgia Allison?

  Go through it again. Pain, perseverance.

• 19:30Rafa Husain?

  I can't remember.

• 19:31Georgia Allison?

  And.

• 19:32Rafa Husain?

  Pain, perseverance. And patience.

• 19:35Georgia Allison?

  Patience.

• 19:36Rafa Husain?

  Because I, with my first, um, it took eight weeks for Rumi to get a latch. And thanks for the lactation consultant said to me on day three, she's like, his mouth is too small. So Rumi was born 10% birth weight. He was really, really small. So she was like, it's gonna be a jigsaw puzzle for this guy. But I can tell, she's like, I reckon around week seven or week eight, everything's gonna lock together and all the pieces are gonna fit, where the size of your nipple is too big for his mouth. It was like waterboarding. He was like, like literally constantly. And then literally week eight, took to it and he latched. And I cried. There's videos of me like crying because I was like, I can't believe she was right. But I had that vision in the back of my mind.

• 20:18Georgia Allison?

  Because she told you that as well.

• 20:19Rafa Husain?

  She told me. I wouldn't have, I would have, there's no way. I would have gone through that if I thought it was gonna go on forever and ever. But so yeah, my whole thing around the advice around breastfeeding as a whole and what you can do to make that maybe easier. And understanding that it can be a toe curling visceral pain. It's acute.

• 20:37Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Rafa Husain?

  I have had tattoos and I've likened it to feeling like tattoos, like around your nipple. Like initially, like that chafing feeling.

• 20:45Georgia Allison?

  It's like, or just the kind of sting.

• 20:47Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, you're kind of like, you have to like prepare.

• 20:50Georgia Allison?

  Especially if your nipples are fully cracked open.

• 20:53Rafa Husain?

  Exactly, exactly. And so the secondary thing to that was a practical piece of advice that I was given around a trolley to have or a caddy in your house that you take around that has all your favourites. So it's got your nappies, some snacks, a water bottle, your silverettes. If you've not tried a silverette, there are these like silver, like nipple shields that you put on. You can put lanolin in them and they are God's gift to earth, like during those early days if you are breastfeeding. So that's kind of like some practical parenting post partum.

• 21:25Georgia Allison?

  You just touched on lanolin and I've just got to share with the listeners that both Freya and I still use lanolin as our lips.

• 21:32Rafa Husain?

  It's so good. Why don't I have it in my bag as well?

• 21:34Freya Bleathman?

  Lani so nipple balm. It's in my bag outside the room.

• 21:37Rafa Husain?

  It's the best thing for the lips and the nipples.

• 21:40Georgia Allison?

  Nipples, lips, anything cuts, grazes. I still use it four years on.

• 21:43Rafa Husain?

  Absolute game changers.

• 21:44Freya Bleathman?

  So what advice were you given, Georgia, that really stuck with you and helped you in your post partum period?

• 21:49Georgia Allison?

  It's weird because I feel really different to you a bit, um, rough. Because I had to concentrate on, um, when the babies arrived. Like birth planning was really sort of, um, you know, taken out of the equation for me early on. Um, having, uh, like a vaginal birth triplet is not recommended. I'm sure you could persevere with your hospital, but as soon as that was sort of put on the table as like a no go, I was okay with that. Grieved that little process and really concentrated on when they would get here. But of course, resources are limited with what you would do feeding wise and sleeping wise when you have triplets.

• 22:28Georgia Allison?

  So I went to the internet as like most people would and found a few very like limited resources, but met a couple of triplet mums that I connected with and had like some really, really great conversations. One of my triplet friends shared her birth story on Australian Birth Stories and I was about.

• 22:47Freya Bleathman?

  You should go on that. You should both go on that, actually.

• 22:49Rafa Husain?

  That's a good shout.

• 22:50Georgia Allison?

  It was so good, but I stopped listening to it because no one had shared a birth story that was really relevant to my experience. So when, um, my friend Celia, um, Anderson Cook was shared on that, that podcast, I like DM'd her, found her on Instagram. She called me like a.

• 23:06Rafa Husain?

  Oh my gosh, what a sweetie.

• 23:08Georgia Allison?

  She's such a legend. Um, we had so many similarities in our story. Like she's also a lawyer, um, lives in Sydney. Actually, I think I came for now. We ended up having a conversation. She says, listen, Texas is not great for me. I've got triplets. I was like, sure, mate, whatever you say. And we had like a really long conversation about what it would be like. And she was like very realistic. You know, this is what you should do. She gave me a lot of confidence in approaching the hospital system.

• 23:33Freya Bleathman?

  How many weeks were you at this point?

• 23:35Georgia Allison?

  I think I was like halfway, like I was pregnant for seven months. So I must've been like four months.

• 23:41Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:42Georgia Allison?

  Um, pregnant and I was really looking for the internet to help me out in what it would look like. And you know, the day in the lives of triplets, I was really looking at those videos.

• 23:52Rafa Husain?

  Roughly so.

• 23:53Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, just to get some sort of.

• 23:55Rafa Husain?

  Sense.

• 23:55Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, but sort of weirdly, I've always trusted my gut. Like I, I sort of understood that everything would be okay because it had to. Like I was going to give birth to these triplets. They needed to be fed. They needed to be, um, they needed to sleep. So I sort of just had this mindset of like, it will get done because it has to get done. And through my, uh, conversation with Celia, like she gave me a lot of confidence that it can be done. And I can see in, you know, her life, how she was, um, living with her triplets and was wonderful to have that as like replicated to me. And then when I had them, it's, it's like, no one can give me that much advice because like no one's done it before.

• 24:35Freya Bleathman?

  So even, I'm just thinking now, like even for twin parents, like I feel like most of the stuff you read online is just assuming you've got one baby.

• 24:43Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, it is. It is.

• 24:44Freya Bleathman?

  And I mean, multiples are pretty common.

• 24:47Georgia Allison?

  I know. I mean, like there's like 5,000 twins born every year in Australia.

• 24:51Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah. Well, it was like all the stuff I read, it was all assuming you had a big term baby and I didn't. And I, I felt like really, even though prematurity is also really common.

• 25:01Georgia Allison?

  Really common, really common. So yeah, I think, um, interestingly, that sort of, by virtue of no one having that experience, a lot of, you know, the doctors, the nurses, the midwives, and even then went to our maternal health nurses, they sort of like really were led by us. So they gave us a lot of confidence in how we were doing it. And thankfully, I mean, I saw a lactation consultant. I've touched on how my breastfeeding journey went. I was pretty determined. I became a bit, um, like.

• 25:31Rafa Husain?

  Fixated almost, yeah.

• 25:33Georgia Allison?

  That was one thing I can, could control. And I mean, I remember being at the hospital and the, this is before they could, they were well enough or old enough to do a suck feed. They were being fed through a tube and the nursing staff would stagger their feeding times by 15 minutes. So one would be 10 o'clock, 10:15 and 10:30. And through the confidence I got from this conversation with another triplet mum, I said to the staff, actually, we're gonna feed them all at the same time. And they're like, oh, no, no, you won't be able to do that at home. And I said, well, actually, we're gonna give it a really hot, red hot go.

• 26:05Freya Bleathman?

  And you won't be able to just be constantly feeding them either.

• 26:08Georgia Allison?

  That's right.

• 26:09Freya Bleathman?

  Like they have to be, they have to sleep at the same time. They have to feed at the same time.

• 26:13Georgia Allison?

  And I know other, other twin parents, um, do the baby led, uh, feeding, which is, yeah, I completely respect. But for us to get.

• 26:21Rafa Husain?

  You had to be on a routine for sure.

• 26:23Georgia Allison?

  Really big routine. So we had to say to the staff, actually, no, you'll need, we're gonna do it all at the same time. Matt and I are here with, I mean, they were in special care for 32 days. So we're here with, we need one more nurse. But on days that maybe we're not here or overnight, you're gonna have to bring two other nurses into this ward.

• 26:37Rafa Husain?

  Good on you.

• 26:38Georgia Allison?

  And get them fed all at the same time. So the resourcing for the hospital was, I mean.

• 26:43Freya Bleathman?

  And they accommodate that.

• 26:44Georgia Allison?

  Absolutely. And I think that was maybe a slight inconvenience, but for us, it was paramount to us having a successful trip home and being able to do that.

• 26:53Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I think that, um, we'll, we touch on this a little bit later, so we don't need to go through it. But love the advocating for yourself. You knew what you wanted and you asked for it. And that is definitely a skill to hone as parents. Because we are so vulnerable in those early days and weeks. And I have so much that I look back in hindsight, um, that I'm like, would do differently now that I've got two versus one. Because one, you're like just vulnerable and you're just trying to figure it out. Two, you're like, you just back yourself so much more. So well done on advocating, I think, in those early days.

• 27:27Freya Bleathman?

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• 28:25Freya Bleathman?

  All right, so we do a call out on Instagram asking our mums what advice they would give to new mums. And we've compiled a few gems here. One of the ones I thought would be interesting to talk about was this, go to therapy with your husband before birth. Even if your relationship is perfect, work on good communication skills. I mean, Rafa, you would agree.

• 28:48Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, I'm handing this one over to you.

• 28:51Freya Bleathman?

  But you went for the first time after birth, didn't you?

• 28:53Rafa Husain?

  After birth.

• 28:54Freya Bleathman?

  After the second.

• 28:55Rafa Husain?

  Yeah. So I, you know, I do love this piece of advice. I do think there's something really important around what she's touched on, which is communication skills, like the big C word. It comes up all the time. I don't know a single person that hasn't had an issue in how you communicate. And for us, it came down to the fact that like, we love each other dearly. But you definitely need language too. What I would say is like, sometimes people might go, oh, what would we go to therapy about? Like, what do we even talk about if there's not a problem? And communication, if you're already noticing that that's a problem area, I can tell you, post-birth accelerates and heightens any cracks that you already have in your relationship.

• 29:38Rafa Husain?

  So a baby ain't gonna fix it. It's going to make it a lot more hectic, especially in those high-pressure environments. So I love this feedback. I probably wouldn't have thought to do it before birth, to be honest. We definitely came through it in that high pressure of having a second within 13 months. But what we have learnt, that I think now in reflection could have made sense is what comes out, or what has come out for us post-birth is your childhood story. Will rear its ugly head at a moment that you least expect it. So sometimes I now realise, and Will now realises, like when I respond back to him, it's not grown-up, 37-year-old,

• 30:20Rafa Husain?

  mature Rafa, it's 13-year-old wounded Rafa from back in the day. So unless you know each other's story and what those triggers are around mine being impatience, like if something doesn't go to plan, and I'm a, I tend to be a perfectionist, I'm a type A. So like, if he's not doing something the way I would, and we're running late and the kids are like, you know, an example that I hope he's fine for me to say is like, he asked my son what shoes he wants to wear this morning as we're getting out the door. And behind, I'm like, is now a time to ask Rumi what shoe he wants to wear? That's gonna end up in a 15-minute conversation. I'm like, you tell the kid what he's going to wear. Like, and that has

• 31:00Rafa Husain?

  come up in so many different ways for us. So I would say if you are partnering with someone and going on this journey, like, therapy can do really good things around, yes, communication, but understanding your partner. And also something that's come up that the thing that I mentioned earlier around the circle of security, your attachment style, how do you want to be present in your kid's life, is really good to get on the same page about because little things like happy mornings, like when you see your baby in the morning, like, are you greeting them with the happiest smile and la, la, la? So if Will walked into the room like a bit tired and grumpy, I'd be like, oh, you're not giving that like, really happy, joyful smile. And he's like, why is that so important? I was like, because

• 31:45Rafa Husain?

  it's how I want them to feel when they see their parents. And it comes down to attachment theories. Like, we're not quantity of time, we're quality of time people. So that was resulting in fights for us and we didn't know why. And it's because we had different attachment sort of parenting styles. So doing that circle of security course has allowed us to kind of get on that same page. So I'd say, yes, tick on therapy as a whole. But like, it's not just around communication. There's a lot more that you might want to learn about your partner.

• 32:16Georgia Allison?

  And am I right, Freya? Did you go to therapy before Goldie was born?

• 32:20Freya Bleathman?

  Uh, so we tried. I had, I had two sessions booked in with a couples therapist. It is actually one that we have seen in the past. We've sort of intermittently seen couples therapists for years. I remember a friend once said to me, like, I just think it's a red flag that you aren't even married, you don't have kids, and you're already going to couples therapy. But I don't like, I don't know, I'm like, well, I mean, we're two imperfect people in a relationship. Like, for me, it's not at all surprising that sometimes we have really irrational fights or messy.

• 32:55Rafa Husain?

  And two people with like their own stories and lives, like try, like coming together.

• 33:00Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, yeah, things that get triggered by certain arguments or whatever. But we, yeah, I specifically booked in two sessions when I was on Matt leave. But like, everyone knows, I didn't get that Matt leave because she came prematurely. But I, I totally agree with this listener. If you've got the means.

• 33:15Rafa Husain?

  Yeah.

• 33:15Freya Bleathman?

  Have you guys ever done therapy, you and Matt?

• 33:17Georgia Allison?

  No, no. That's why, I mean, I love this piece of advice.

• 33:22Rafa Husain?

  Is it like, is it not good on you? You've clearly got the tools within you.

• 33:26Georgia Allison?

  I mean, I wouldn't even go that far. Like, I resonate with what she's saying. Like, having good communication is like absolutely necessary for any relationship outside of having children.

• 33:36Rafa Husain?

  Yeah.

• 33:37Georgia Allison?

  And I don't, it's just never come up that we've needed. And, and maybe that's because not a lot of people that I know have been to therapy. Like, we've talked about it, the three of us, but I don't know, unless the people aren't talking about it with me, or keeping it a bit taboo, which I hope not, because I think it's a great example of two people who are continuing to choose each other. And going to therapy is just another way to ensure that you can continue to do that. So I'm open to it. Spoken to Matt about it specifically around this piece of advice. He's like, yeah, I'd be open to it. I think it's also a nice to have. I do believe that there's other ways that you can be, that

• 34:17Georgia Allison?

  you can sort of hone in on your skills around communication whilst you're pregnant. That's outside of, you know, the expensive, I imagine it's fairly expensive, not necessarily covered by Medicare if you're not on a mental health plan and so on.

• 34:32Freya Bleathman?

  Well, I think couples therapy specifically isn't covered, from my understanding.

• 34:37Georgia Allison?

  And it wouldn't have been something that we would have thought of when we were pregnant. But I think if you can and you have the means to do it, I think it's a great, great thing to do.

• 34:47Rafa Husain?

  I think for us, it's similar to maybe how you felt, Freya. I felt a little bit of shame and embarrassment about, why can't we just make it work? Like, we've done some, you know, list writing around the mental load and that still wasn't enough. I'd have seen a psychologist for a lot, a long period of my like twenties. And so I think I was just like, oh, here's another option where experts might be able to help where we couldn't find the tools or the tips to like get, get, get through a few battles. And we ended up seeing a couples therapist and it's actually gone on to lead to a few really important,

• 35:28Rafa Husain?

  like medical diagnosis for individuals. And like, so for us, she was like, it's so good that you're here. To your point, she was like, don't let this be shame. She was like, the stats are against you actually, like in terms of.

• 35:42Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, of course they are. First year post-birth divorce rates and things.

• 35:44Rafa Husain?

  Correct. Yeah. And so she was like, by coming here, you are proactively protecting your marriage. And that makes me really happy.

• 35:52Georgia Allison?

  Yeah.

• 35:52Rafa Husain?

  Because the data shows that the people that don't do this will end up probably in divorce where they can't get through what she called the U-bend. So she's like, you know, initial stage of your relationship is at the start of the U-bend. And then birth, marriage, kids kind of put you through the pressure cooker and the grind and this like dip. And, you know, of the, of the couples that come out the other side, she's like,

• 36:19Rafa Husain?

  50% ish kind of, or a little bit less, end up in divorce. But of the other proportion, only half, so call it 50 and 50, it's not that exact stat, half don't like each other, but stay married.

• 36:34Freya Bleathman?

  So like 25% of people.

• 36:35Rafa Husain?

  25. So she's like, only 25% are happy and married.

• 36:41Freya Bleathman?

  Gee, they're pretty grim stuff.

• 36:43Rafa Husain?

  So, so that.

• 36:44Freya Bleathman?

  Really only a quarter of us are happily married after the first year.

• 36:47Rafa Husain?

  Like, you can see it already where there are moments for sure that your partners like give you the ick and you roll your eyes and you're just like, oh, fuck, you're annoying. Or like, and it goes back to the episode on Tuesday around postpartum sex and desire. Like, it's really hard to get that desire feeling back when that mental load and list is just, you know, feeling out of control. So again, coming back to this point and listener around therapy and the tips and tricks, I think it's great. Yeah.

• 37:16Freya Bleathman?

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• 37:56Rafa Husain?

  It was probably the one that was most common.

• 37:58Freya Bleathman?

  I think it was a big source of anxiety for me postpartum. So let's get into it. This listener wrote, "Don't doubt whether your mother's instinct will kick in. It will, it's just a matter of when. Some mums, it may happen fairly quickly. Others, you may doubt yourself and heavily rely on advice from others. But then one day, you just become an expert on your own baby and it all clicks into place. Instead of constantly feeling like you're guessing, one day you feel like you kind of know what you're doing and the pressure eases. Even if it takes a while, just know that you will get there." Because we got a lot of DMs.

• 38:30Rafa Husain?

  A lot about the gut instinct.

• 38:32Freya Bleathman?

  Trust your gut. And people said that to me postpartum. I think I've said it to parents coming in, you know, you know your baby best, blah, blah. And I thought I was being nice and generous and I, I think in some circumstances that's true, but I remember when Goldie was born, I was like, I have no idea what she wants. She's crying, I don't know if she's hungry, I don't know if she's tired, I don't know if she needs her nappy changed, I don't know if she's in pain. People keep telling me, like, I know my baby. I, I felt like I should know by the type of cry that she had right away, what she would need and I just didn't. And I felt a lot of shame about that. I felt embarrassed.

• 39:12Georgia Allison?

  Especially because of the sort of other advice that we've received or you hear from doctors, like, you're the best person to know what your baby wants. And yeah, if you're feeling like you don't, then...

• 39:24Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Georgia Allison?

  Who does?

• 39:26Freya Bleathman?

  I think I'm, she's eight, I'm eight months postpartum now, she's eight months old. I'm only just starting to be like, nah, that's not a, I want a cuddle cry, that's, I'm hungry. Like, it's funny, my husband got there a lot quicker than I did. I think it, which is, was sort of not what I was expecting because I've worked a lot with kids, obviously, as a children's doctor and I, I felt pretty confident that I understood how kids work a lot of the way. But I think in some ways that almost got in the way of my intuition a little bit.

• 39:58Rafa Husain?

  I do think so, yeah.

• 39:59Freya Bleathman?

  Whereas Rue had, he won't mind me saying, absolutely no idea, absolutely no idea about babies or what to do or anything, but he, his instinct from day one was amazing. I think he just really leaned into it. Whereas I was sort of analysing things a bit too much, I think.

• 40:17Georgia Allison?

  And that could be a bit of a personality trait, but I mean, so many of our listeners felt that same way, feeling like, I don't know my baby. I actually, I remember, just brought me back to a time where I was in hospital and, I mean, I've touched on, I, I do feel like I had pretty good gut instincts and by virtue of no one else knowing what to do, I had to sort of be the one who, who, who knew what the cry meant and so on. But I remember being in hospital and you know how the doctors or the nurses don't really know your name, they just call you mum?

• 40:49Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah.

• 40:50Georgia Allison?

  Does anyone remember when the first time that they were called mum? I was in the, went down to the NICU.

• 40:56Rafa Husain?

  I do, yeah.

• 40:57Georgia Allison?

  And they were like, oh, here comes mum and this is dad and this is Jude Finimalo. And I was like looking behind my shoulder being like, where is mum? Where is she?

• 41:06Rafa Husain?

  They're talking to me.

• 41:07Georgia Allison?

  Because they're talking to me. And, you know, he was, I was just like so bombarded with this level of responsibility of like, oh shit, it's me. I'm now the one who is going to be referred to as mum. I'm going to be the one who, yeah, sort of has to know what's going on with my kids. One of my sons had an infection like day three and I remember one of the Peds coming in at Royal Women saying like, oh, hi mum, so this is Finn, what's going on? I'm like, I don't know, you're the doctor. Like, can you tell me? Like, I'm not sure. Like, I've told, you know, and it was, it was just, it just, the weight of that responsibility like really dawned on me. I don't know if you guys remember that?

• 41:48Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I do, I do. I have the benefit, I'm gonna say, of becoming a mum a second time. And I say that because I, to echo what you were saying, Freya, it's like you're kind of waiting for the gut instinct to kick in and you're like, when's it going to be? But you're so, you're just grappling with all this information that you're being fed around purple crying, bottle routines, settling intolerances, blah, blah, blah. That first time around, I thought I was doing a terrible job and I look back and I just want to give like nine, 10 week postpartum Rafa the biggest hug. Honestly, it like brings me to tears because I was doing a fucking amazing job, but I didn't think of it at the time.

• 42:31Freya Bleathman?

  And this is for Rumi or both?

• 42:32Rafa Husain?

  This is for Rumi. Having done it a second time, that's kind of what I look back and I'm like, no, I was doing an amazing job and I didn't think I was. So you're gonna, if you have the chance of having another baby or anything like that and obviously, Georgia, you went through it all at the same time, so you don't have that benefit of hindsight either, but it truly has been so different. I am so tuned in on my gut instinct, doing it the second time around. And I do think you expect it to like arrive immediately, but gut instinct, it's not a switch. It's a muscle that you have to build with time. And so that is the, the benefit of this second time version where I'm like, I know and have

• 43:13Rafa Husain?

  known pretty much from day one what Lila needs because I've just done it before.

• 43:18Freya Bleathman?

  Maybe Georgia, you're a great person to ask. Did you just suddenly get all three of them at the same time or were, was one of them a bit easier to read earlier on?

• 43:27Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, that's a good question. I actually think it was around the same time. Interestingly, I, I have twin mum friends who didn't have that, but, and I, we've talked about that and I'm like, I think mine was all at the same time. And I mean, obviously they were all being fed at the same time, all going to sleep at the same time. But I also, I just want to touch on that, like my kids were in NICU and special care for 32 days. I had the benefit of having so much hospital help around me who were reinforcing my confidence in myself and being told constantly, you're doing an amazing job. Like, don't discount that someone telling you, like you went to your maternal health nurse and they said how great a job that you're doing, but you are doing an amazing

• 44:12Georgia Allison?

  job. That reinforcement by people who you trust, love, like my mum says it to me all the time. So she just builds this confidence in me.

• 44:20Rafa Husain?

  To validate.

• 44:21Georgia Allison?

  And it's, it validates that like I am doing it and the same for Matt, like we give each other confidence and I think by virtue of just being told that, sometimes then you begin to believe.

• 44:34Rafa Husain?

  Believe it, yeah, of course, because none of us know what we're doing.

• 44:36Georgia Allison?

  Exactly.

• 44:37Rafa Husain?

  I mean, like, and so...

• 44:39Freya Bleathman?

  I'm sure Ruchan Smith, my husband, he was literally like, like quite early on, I remember him being like, I'm a phenomenal dad.

• 44:47Georgia Allison?

  That's what I love.

• 44:49Freya Bleathman?

  He is just the most self-assured person. He's like, because I think I said like, oh, you're just worried that, you know, she, like she doesn't, I'm worried she doesn't like me, blah, blah. And he's like, nah, I'm phenomenal. I'm a great, he's like, I genuinely don't think I could be any better.

• 45:04Rafa Husain?

  So. So on brand, Rue as well, he's a positive, positive guy.

• 45:12Freya Bleathman?

  Shall we finish up with a quick, quickfire round? Some extra pieces we won't dissect, but we wanted to just put out there.

• 45:18Rafa Husain?

  And hopefully we can share them later because they're so good.

• 45:20Freya Bleathman?

  Yeah, yeah, share more of them that we didn't get to. So one is, don't make any drastic hair changes within the first year postpartum. I cut my own curtain bangs the second time around after the hormonal hair shedding and it was beyond disastrous. Another one, which I totally, as someone with a very, very, very colicky baby, just add water, fixes a fussy bub to moody after school little one. Can be as simple as turning on the tap and dipping bub's toes in the sink when they are fussy and letting them splash about.

• 45:48Georgia Allison?

  I also liked this other one, which says, think of people's advice for parenthood as advice for skincare. What works for some doesn't always work for others. You literally have to take what you like the sound of and try it and see how it feels.

• 46:00Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, I love that. Don't fall for the sentiment that you should enjoy every moment of newborn life or really parenting. It's not normal to feel sad all the time and equally, it's not normal to feel happy all the time. Please mums, don't put that expectation or guilt on yourself to soak up and enjoy every moment. You're sleep deprived and hormonal, it's okay to ride the wave, find pockets of joy instead, which is all about, you know, two things can be true at once. And then this one made me laugh, the happy song by Imagine Heath. That was an absolute game changer for both of us in the car, play it all the time, still works and I honestly wouldn't know what to do without that song.

• 46:37Georgia Allison?

  And also just lastly, take photos of you and your baby and ask your husband to do so. When someone comes to visit.

• 46:43Freya Bleathman?

  As in of you two together.

• 46:44Georgia Allison?

  Of you two together, because I feel like you're always the one, or mums are always the one who are taking beautiful photos of grandma holding the baby, husband and so on, so.

• 46:52Rafa Husain?

  You deserve to be in the pics.

• 46:54Georgia Allison?

  Yeah, you need to be the centre.

• 46:55Rafa Husain?

  Yeah, absolutely. So there's some absolute winners in here. Hopefully we'll find a way to share more of these out.

• 47:01Freya Bleathman?

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• 47:21Georgia Allison?

  Bye.

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Shameless Media. This podcast was recorded on Wurundjeri land, always was, always will be Aboriginal land.