Emily Atack on The Inbetweeners, Unwanted DMs and Nobody’s Fool

Does Emily Atack wish she didn’t have to still talk about The Inbetweeners? And how does she cope with strangers shouting ‘Big Tits' at her? Actor, comedian and TV personality Emily Atack joins us on this week’s and discusses everything from how she landed the role of Charlotte Hinchcliffe in The Inbetweeners, to selling out tickets to her first ever show, before she’d even written it. We also talk about her documentary, Am I Asking For It?, tennis scenes in Rivals and her latest show Nobody’s Fool with Danny Dyer. Emily also talks about how her life has changed from Camden living days to country life and being a mum, plus could Romesh be getting ordained to marry Emily and her scientist husband? Plus, Shanthi wants to know all the gossip in her question to Emily AND she gives us an exclusive and it’s something you won’t be expecting! A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Feel free.

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  I'm really nervous, sorry.

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  Why?

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  Can I just say?

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  I don't...

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  Because I'm such a fan of this podcast.

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  Oh, thanks, man.

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  And I'm such a fan of yours.

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  Oh, thanks, same.

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  And this is a very big thing for me and I'm really nervous.

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  Well, if it makes you feel better, it's not as good as it seems.

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  Oh, good, okay.

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  And actually...

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  Good.

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  And actually, the edit does a lot of work.

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  Okay, good.

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  Even if you walk out of here thinking we've laid a big messy turd.

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  Yeah.

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  Just so you know, that's how most episodes feel of this.

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  Okay, good.

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  So it'll be fine.

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  Great.

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  So I'm gonna do your intro.

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  Okay.

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  If there's any factual inconsistencies.

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  Yeah.

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  Uh, let me know.

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  Okay.

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  Okay. Do you wanna do some breathing before we start?

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  No, I'm all right. I- I- I stupidly had three coffees as well. I- I- I had to down a glass of champagne next door. So I'm- I'm just a bit jittery.

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  Three coffees and a champagne?

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  Yeah, I know.

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  Fucking hell, let's do this.

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  I'm a baller.

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  Do you want the chocolate or...?

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  I'm all right.

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  Mandy?

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  Yeah. Yeah, welcome.

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  I'm Emily Atack and I'm gonna be in the Romesh Ranganathan podcast.

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  Oh, shut up, Ramesh.

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  Okay, shall we do it? We've got an intro for you now, Emily. I'm really excited for you to hear this.

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  Oh my god.

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  My guest today is an actor, comedian, and TV personality. She started her career in dramas like Blue Murder and Heartbeat, before landing her breakthrough role as Charlotte Hinchcliffe in the millennial classic The Inbetweeners. Since then, she's appeared in indie films, captured the nation's heart in I'm a Celebrity, and fronted three series of her own comedy show. She also made a deeply personal BBC documentary and starred in Rivals, one of 2025's hottest shows. Now she's teaming up with Danny Dyer for a brand new quiz reality show, Nobody's Fool. It's Emily Aitken!

• 3:58Speaker 01

  I've gone all red.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  What do you think?

• 3:59Speaker 01

  When people list all of your sort of the things that you've done, you go, oh, thank you for saying all that. It's like, oh, no, yeah, I have done those things. I've gone all embarrassed.

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  Well, you don't need to. I mean, you did it, didn't you?

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  If people come up to you and talk to you about The Inbetweeners, do you, are you one of the people that will happily talk about that fondly, or do you think that's from ages ago? I don't want to talk about it now.

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  Happily talk about it fondly. My name is just Big Tits. So I, it's just, people come up to me and they just go, they go, Big Tits, can I have a photo? Big Tits. Big Tits. My name is-

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Strangers say that, too.

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  Actual strangers. But it could be- Could be in the street, I could be at the garden centre, just having a jack of potato in the cafe, it could be anything and it's. Even the lovely post lady I have, she goes, hello, big tits, can you just sign that for me? It's just big tits, big tits. It went from Charlotte Big Jugs to, uh, yeah, just now it's just big tits.

• 4:51Speaker 00

  That feels like it's flirting very much with unacceptable, doesn't it?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally, but it's, it, and you know, I, I shout from the rooftops how against all of this I am. But it's, it's just, people genuinely don't even, they don't even mean it in that way. They just.

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  No.

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  They go, oh, big tits, my mum absolutely loves you. Or they, or I see people like whispering in a restaurant and they go, it's Emily, oh, yeah, big tits, yeah, yeah. It's just they, they don't even see it in that derogatory way, so.

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  Problem is, is then if you then challenge it.

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  Yeah.

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  You look like you're being a, like a, a diva or a party paper, yeah, or a massive angry tit.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  So I might, I just, you just have to embrace it and it's, you know, it is, it's a character, it's, it's something I'm very proud of. I was only seventeen when I, I was actually sixteen when I auditioned. It was the best time of my life.

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  That's one of the shows that's like culturally indelible, right? Like it's made, like my kids, I've got three boys now, who are sixteen, fourteen and eleven.

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  Teenager.

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  And they've, they watch it.

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  Do they?

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  Not the eleven year old.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  Well, not to my knowledge.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 5:54Speaker 00

  But, um, and they love it. So it's like, it, it's, it's just, it's left a mark, hasn't it?

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I think, you know, yeah, okay, there's, there's always stuff that you sort of see now and you go, I don't know if you get away with that now, but I think. There was heart to it as well. It's about, you know, it's four young lads growing up. They all talk about shagging each other's mums. That's how boys talk.

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  And that's how, look, I'm forty eight and that's how I talk.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Exactly.

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  Uh, uh, you know.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Talking about shagging each other's mums, long may it continue, am I right?

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

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  If we can't talk about fucking each other's mums, what is there left to talk about? Am I right, Emily?

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  Can't say anything these days, can you? You know, uh, yeah, and it's like, and it's about, uh, boys, they talk about tits and shagging each other's mums. And, and yeah, that's what it is. Or it from, it's either, it was either big tits or, um, or where's Will? Or you shagged Will? You shag Will and I'm like, yeah. I don't really know, I don't really know how to.

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  Yeah, well, how do you respond to that?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's, it wasn't really shagging, was it? I think he pogoed on top of me a bit.

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  Yeah.

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  That was, that was it.

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  Funny though.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, sort of like a.

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  Uh.

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  Mirror of my real life at the time, um. So, yeah, but those boys, they were actually mu- they were older, so they were like, sort of well into their late twenties at the time.

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  Oh shit, I didn't realise that.

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  So I was like the baby of the group and they all looked after me, it was nice. And I remember I I'd come on the makeup truck every morning and they'd all be shaving, like vigorously shaving their chests and their, yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Are you still in touch with them?

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  Um, I see, I see a couple of them every now and then, I see Blake every now and then, um. Yeah, it's just one of those things, isn't it? It's been a long ti- I mean, what is that like? My maths is awful. So if I, yeah, seventeen, I'm thirty six now, so. What was that, like ni- eighteen, nineteen years ago? Crazy. Um, but yeah, good times.

• 7:44Speaker 00

  Well, we we're delighted to have you on the podcast.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Thank you, I'm delighted to be here.

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  We've got a gift for you, as we do for every guest.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  It's not a dildo, is it? It's always some kind of.

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  God, you say, it's like my first episode with my mum.

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  Whenever, whenever we bring a box in, she goes, oh my god, is it a dildo?

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  I love your mum. Alright.

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  Uh, here you go, let's see what you think.

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  Okay.

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  I'm just gonna.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  You can always get me really rude things. Okay.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  N- nice, yeah, nice.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  Well, that's the reaction we were all hoping for. So, so, so this is because you've.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  I love this, I lived in Camden, I lived in Camden.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's why we got it for you.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Ah, how do you know all these things? Oh wow.

• 8:28Speaker 00

  Google research, Georgie.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  With all, with all the lids on and everything. I don't think I ever, ever, my heart, entire life, owned, um, colouring pencils or felt tips with all the lids on.

• 8:39Speaker 00

  Well, it would have been a wild decision to present it to you without the lids, but the reason.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Sweet.

• 8:43Speaker 00

  Is, it's actually Georgie did the research. You've moved from Camden to the countryside.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Yes, I have, yeah.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  And, uh, you like to get in touch with your creative side.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes, I, um.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  So we've, we interpreted that as colouring in.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you, yeah. Is it, is it that paint by numbers one, you know, when everyone thinks they're a fucking artist? And it's like, you know, I did this Van Gogh pic, no, it's paint by numbers, paint, paint for morons, but thank you. Um, but yes, no, I moved to the countryside, I'm trying to be, you know, my, I'm. Trying to do my best kind of in my country wifey lifey, um I've started baking, which is not good for anyone.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  So you Camden's great.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Yes, I loved it. God, great years and Kentish town.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  What made you move out?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Did the grown up thing and settled down and had a baby and yeah, and then so we thought we'd. Thought we'd move. It's it's the best decision we've ever made and I I love it. I'm sort of making curtains and stuff and trying to be all. You know, wholesome.

• 9:42Speaker 00

  Do you think is country countryside life gonna be in her then, do you think?

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, I am going out after this because I'm in London and mum's got the baby, so.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  Coming into London and knowing you're gonna leave is quite nice, isn't it?

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Yes, and and also when you wake up hungover in London. And then you go home. I I experienced this recently. I woke up after a thing I had to do and I was so hungover and then. I came out of it and went back to my little country home and that was a really nice feeling.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  Camden and countryside, there are steps in between that, so but you went straight for countryside, how come?

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, I grew up in the countryside, so I grew up in a tiny little hamlet. Um called Tebworth, which just had one tiny little pub.

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Sounds lovely.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Tiny little post office where we'd go and get our sweets. We we had like fifty p and we'd go and get our sweets, simpler times, yeah. And uh and yeah, it was it was it was idyllic. It was lovely. We'd play in all the crop fields. I think I had my first snog. Um with a boy called James, uh in in a crop field.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Uh no, he traumatized me. I I felt a spike little tongue go in my mouth and then bleh, couldn't get over it.

• 10:54Speaker 00

  That's the problem with with with an early kiss, you go too aggressive, don't you? I imagine. Not had mine yet.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  But yeah, so it was very, you know, it was crop fields. It was all of that. It was very nice. So, yeah, I've kind of gone back home in that in that sense. So. Even though, you know, and I've done, I've done enough partying now to last me a lifetime, so, yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  Um like, do you have a septic tank or are you plumbed in?

• 11:17Speaker 01

  A what?

• 11:19Speaker 01

  What?

• 11:19Speaker 05

  That's, that's, can I say that's not on the running order?

• 11:21Speaker 00

  Well, it's just that sometimes, sometimes.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Oh, do you mean like one of those like mad boilers?

• 11:25Speaker 00

  Well, you know, like sometimes when people move to the countryside?

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 00

  They don't, they're not connected to the main sewer.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Oh, right, yes.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  So you have to have that thing where it once every like two years, like a big lorry has to come and take away all your shit.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Do you know what? There is, there are things like that that are going on.

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Right, there you go.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  I'll deal with it all. And it's like, there are different water vibes going on.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  Right, see?

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  See? These are the questions that need to be asked.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  It is true. And, and we get, there's like, there's like milk on the doorstep and little bottles of orange juice.

• 11:52Speaker 00

  See?

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and a paper gets delivered to the door and all of that, yeah, it's very.

• 11:56Speaker 00

  So that's very, that's nice, isn't it?

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, it's, it's lovely. It's gorgeous. And then I'm really close to all my, my family and my friends, all my mum friends as well, which I didn't. I kind of thought that I, I wasn't a mum type in terms of like hanging out, all the, you know, hanging out at the school gate mums. But it turns out I really needed that.

• 12:15Speaker 00

  Really?

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 00

  How old is your baby now?

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Um, he's forty, no, he's, um, he's two in June.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  Two in June?

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  So mobile?

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:26Speaker 00

  That's tricky, isn't it?

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, oh my god. I actually find it easier though, because I can sort of, he can sort of defend for himself now.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  I know, but I, I, when, when our eldest son first started to be able to move.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  I found it traumatic.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:40Speaker 00

  Because when they're immobile.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 12:43Speaker 00

  You can do whatever you want. Sometimes I'll go upstairs for hours.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  But, but, but, but, but, but, but once, once they're able to move, they're constantly looking for danger.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:53Speaker 00

  They are magnetized to blades.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  Heat.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 00

  Sharp edges.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  Things that can fall.

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  Yeah.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  It's tricky.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Buy them these beautiful toys and all they want to do is play with the fucking bog brush.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  And put it in their mouths and get the bleach out and, yeah. Um, yeah, we're definitely going through that. He's definitely, uh, he started to say, uh, he just copies everything we say, clearly. And he's started to go, and my, my partner Al has got a northern accent, and so Barney has started to go, where the fuck is it? Where the fuck is it? Where the fuck is it? And I'm like, I'm not, but what do you do? Do you go, no, don't say that, that is naughty. But now, now he does this thing where when I tell him off and go, that's very naughty, he like gets excited that I'm telling him off. So it doesn't really work. And, and, you know, let's face it, I was always gonna have a very naughty child. He's, he's naughty.

• 13:42Speaker 00

  But.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  He's heaven.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  But they um, you're supposed to not react to swearing, aren't you?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, but and and he he he knows, he knows and and he he calls me Em. He goes, Em? Em? Em? From his high chair and I'm like, what? You can't. I'm like, it's mum. And he goes, Em?

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  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  He's a woman, mum. It's like, he he calls me Em. What does that mean? Does that mean? He doesn't know I'm his mum? That makes me feel bad.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  I think he's probably got an idea, but I I wonder what I wonder what um. I wonder what kids at that age, that even their concept of mum is, do you know what I mean?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 00

  You're just sort of uh.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Big tits.

• 14:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, that would be sad.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  That would be really sad.

• 14:23Speaker 00

  That'd be really sad.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  I know, especially because I couldn't breastfeed.

• 14:26Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Um, but no, yeah, it's easy. He called, he shouts Em or Emily and Al for Al sometimes. And he does say mummy, davis. It's either Em or Al at the moment, which we've got to do something about that, but yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 00

  Okay, here's a question for you. If I refer to my mum as mummy.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  Would that, would would you react to that? Would you find that?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Uh, if you just slipped it into a conversation like mommy came.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  It's her. Hi, mummy.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I think that was quite nice.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  Mummy and daddy?

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  Do you think so?

• 14:56Speaker 01

  I think that was quite nice.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  Forty eight?

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Well, I think you were doing it in slight irony, like, hi, mummy. And I think that was really nice. But maybe, I don't know, maybe because I'm a woman.

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  One of the things that um, I don't know if you've, I don't know if you've got friends that are like uh, second generation immigrants, but like. Um, all of my friends that have got like parents from other countries.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 00

  They talk like how we're talking, perfect English. And then when they talk to their parents, I don't do this.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  But they put on an accent.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 15:22Speaker 00

  So I've got a Maltese friend and they go, oh my god, it's my mum. Hold on a second. What is it, mama? Oh, no, I'm a wee ramish. Yeah, please leave me.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Well, my mum's a Scouser, so she doesn't have the Scouse accent anymore. But when she goes, when she talks to her. And it's not the same thing really, is it? But when she talks to her family from Liverpool, she gets, she goes on like that. So I was talking like that. I'm like, mum, I'm like, why are you putting on the voice? She's like, it's how it's on.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, turn it up, turn it up. When I supported Kevin Bridges on tour, when we were doing the shows in Glasgow, he ratcheted up the Glaswegian. I couldn't even understand what you're saying.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, God.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  So you're getting married?

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  Congratulations.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Can you believe it? Someone has seen my messy bathroom and still stuck around.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  Um, when you, when is it happening?

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Uh, September.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  September, yeah. No, I got the invite.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  Congrats. Yeah, I'd love to come.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  My mates would be so, I would be so cool if you came to my wedding. We do like a bit of, do you wanna be the usher or the, no, what is it? The M's, M C? What, what is it with the people that announce where to go and sit?

• 16:21Speaker 00

  That's the M C, isn't it? Is it the M C? I couldn't do that. I'd be terrible at that. Cause what would happen is, is I would turn up and people would be excited.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  And then I'd be shit at it. And then the gloss would come off. It's difficult. I've been asked to do stand up at people's weddings.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Do you wanna marry us? You can marry us if you want.

• 16:35Speaker 00

  I'd love to do that. I, I, yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, should we do it?

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Oh my god, that'd be amazing.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Just give me the date, I'll do it.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  Um, so how big is it gonna be?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Um, it's, so we're, we're, we're gonna have the sort of quieter, um, legal one, very private. Um, and then we're gonna do the big show off one. Um, and that's gonna be abroad. Um, and it, yeah, it's, I'm really enjoying the planning of it and I'm, I've got this amazing wedding planner. It's all touch wood. It's all going. Okay, but, um.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Have your friends resisted, uh, have they been resentful of the fact you're getting married abroad?

• 17:10Speaker 01

  I, I did think this, but I actually did a sketch about this in my sketch show because it's the last fucking thing that you want.

• 17:17Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  But we're being, we're being kind to our friends and we're, we're, we're making sure that people don't have to worry too much about. Paying for lots of things and, yeah, but we have said no fucking kids. No, no, not, no, that's not an awful.

• 17:32Speaker 00

  Fucking?

• 17:33Speaker 01

  No ki- no fucking kids, like, no, no, no kids.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  No children abroad?

• 17:38Speaker 01

  No children.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Okay, fine.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  We've said, like, you can bring them if you want, like, a holiday. Do you think that's fair? Because we've said, no kids at the wedding.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  Think it's fair that you don't have kids at your wedding? Hundred percent.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, fine.

• 17:48Speaker 00

  It's your wedding.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  And, and the people.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  It's your wedding? What happened to me there?

• 17:52Speaker 01

  I, it's your wedding, honey. But, um, you, I, I, I'm surprised at how many people are actually really happy about that. I thought I'd get a lot of people kicking off about that. But everyone's like, no, fuck those kids.

• 18:02Speaker 00

  I've got to be honest with you. I think that when you're a parent, you feel like your duty bound to take your kids wherever you go.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:09Speaker 00

  If somebody says to you, you're not allowed to bring your kids, that you have basically been given a ticket.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  To to have a break from them.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Oh, good, okay.

• 18:17Speaker 00

  And you've got no choice officially. So for example, if I'm talking about coming to your wedding, right, and I'm telling a friend, I went, I went to Emily's wedding, it was great, Emily and I was great, you know, blah, blah.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  You really wanna come, don't you?

• 18:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do. And then they said, uh, they said, did you, did you take the kids? If I go, no, they, because they said they didn't want kids at the wedding, that's fine. If I go, no, Lisa and I wanted to have a good time, so we fucked them off.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  There's a judgment there.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  So we've done a good thing.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  You've done a great thing.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  By removing that, yeah.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  Do I think that's completely undermined by you getting married abroad? Yeah. My brother got married in Cyprus.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  And and I will, I I don't think I started doing comedy, maybe I just started doing comedy, but I was, we were, Lisa and I were teaching at the time, we didn't have any money. And like, we struggled to get there, we struggled to afford to get there.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  And then it was like the breakfast was, uh, all you can eat, and we would stuff Lisa's handbag with stuff for lunch and stuff with it. But, um. My brother's wife is a Greek Cypriot origin, that's why they got married in Cyprus. And she told us that a tradition at the wedding was to staple money to the bride's dress.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  And I said, how about I staple my airline tickets? Because we've had to fucking fly here. If you think you're getting more money, you are absolutely dreaming.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, people, this is the thing, it's, it it it does create some controversy, especially with my hen do as well. And I've always done, I I wrote sketches, taking the piss out of hen do's as well, going, why am I transferring one thousand six hundred and twenty four quid to a girl called Bex? That I don't fucking know. Like, like, oh, yeah, so we're gonna do archery. But if you could transfer me that one thousand six hundred and twenty five pounds, please. Who the fuck are you?

• 19:57Speaker 00

  I know, it's mad, isn't it?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  It is mad. Um, but again, I'm I'm trying to, I'm, I don't actually know what's happening on my hen at all.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  You've got a history of partying.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:08Speaker 00

  Does that mean that this is gonna be like the one last big hurrah?

• 20:11Speaker 01

  I fucking hope so. I get annoyed. Every year on my birthday that I don't have a stripper. So like I'm sitting there waiting, I'm waiting, I'm up for it, I'm ready and it never happens. So if I don't have a fucking stripper on my hen do. There's gonna be.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  So you want stripper, strippers.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  I want a stripper, I want, I want a big. Beefcake man to come out and show me a really great time and squirt cream on me and all of that.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  I think it's very different for a, a, a woman to say they want a stripper at their hen do than it is for a man to want a stripper at their.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  I know everyone's uncomfortable in here.

• 20:46Speaker 00

  I'm not, I'm not uncomfortable, I, I, I just think like, like when you think about a, a, a woman with a, a stripper.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  The, the woman's laughing.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  And it's like fun and there's cream flying everywhere and like there's a dance and everyone's screaming, it's funny. When it's a man.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  It's that, isn't it?

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  It's different.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  It's the stereotype being flipped.

• 21:10Speaker 00

  I don't think it's as fun.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:13Speaker 00

  I think, I think it's seedier.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:16Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean?

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  I wanna stripper. Were you going, I wanna stripper? That sounds fun.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, and I, I will say it until the cows come home. I, it could be. A Magic Mike show, it, I wa- I want it.

• 21:28Speaker 00

  You wanna be like, he does a backflip and he lands on you on the chair.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, like, and I wanna put, put money in his little thong. Do you know, we, we actually, uh.

• 21:37Speaker 00

  That is a.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  We got a stripper for my sister's hen do and that was a big surprise, but it was like. We didn't think it through because it was like, it, it, and it was during Covid times and it was, it was when you were just allowed. Do you remember that, like, all those rules were so weird, but you were just allowed thirty people in the garden at that point.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  And if you had, if you had a stripper, it was, they, it had to be a substantial meal, didn't it? So it couldn't be cream, it had to be like a Scotch egg or something bigger.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  And.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  I can't remember the rules exactly, but something like that.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we, we hired a stripper and it was like, but it was, it was so weird because it was like all my aunts and like. And it, it, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't all our young friends, it was like all my aunts and a mum one, it was like a mum, aunt hen do. In my mum's back garden and we still were like, no, we've got to have a stripper, it would be so. Funny and he came in and because it was covid times, he just had nothing but a mask on. He just had a covid mask. Coming in doing the thong song on my sister and I was like, oh my god, this and like my auntie Moore was like rubbing lotion on his back going lovely, yeah. Good, good. And I'm like, don't put this online because, oh my god.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  It really, it really makes me think, when you, when you hear stories like that, it really makes me think we didn't understand viral transfer at all.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 00

  Like the, the.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  The guy is completely.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  I think the second round of covid started in that back garden.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  You've got to hope his dick doesn't sneeze.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Now, you're doing a brand new TV show.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:01Speaker 00

  Nobody's fool.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  Uh, tell us all about, you and Danny Dyer are hosting.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, do you know what? It was so fun. So we, it's, so it's, it's a, a group of contestants they've never met before. And they're in this house, a very kind of posh, old English, you know, s- style house, like a rivals type gaff. And, um, they all get, uh, given these tasks and it's not about how, and that they're all from different walks of life. Some of them. There's like one or two of them from Eton, um, one or two of them literally. Not even been out of university for very long, you know, and all different age ranges and everything and different abilities, different skills. And it's not about how smart they are, but it's about how smart they can convince their peers that they are.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Cause they, they do, they do a quiz in secret, right?

• 23:47Speaker 01

  So I've got this secret pod quiz room where I, where they do secret quizzes. Which gets there, but they, but they can lie about how they did in that quiz room to their, to their, to the other contestants. Um, so it's about kind of like, uh, bl- blagging it and faking it till you make it, that sort of thing and proving that. You, you don't necessarily have to be, you know, a, a bookworm to be super intelligent. You can maybe. Play, you know, play off each other, you can, and, and you can lie and tell a few white lies. Uh, to make people think that you're smarter than you are and that could actually get you further in the game. So, yeah, it's. It sounds really complicated, but when you watch it, it's so fun.

• 24:26Speaker 00

  It feels like it's got loads of elements to it, cause obviously you've got the quiz element and then you've got them sort of lying to each other.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:32Speaker 00

  And then. You know, they're all deciding between themselves.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  Who they think is like the dud.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:38Speaker 00

  So it's kind of, it's kind of traitor see.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:42Speaker 00

  Who wants to be a millionaire.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's so fun and it's, we, we, me and Dad, we accidentally call it the holiday when we um talk about filming it. We go, I dream on the holiday, oh no, um when we were filming, because it was so fun and we were filming at uh the pit, we were at the pig in Canterbury. Um and it was two weeks of just hilariousness. Danny is so funny. Obviously, I know him from Rivals really well. And we've, we've developed a great friendship. He is so funny. He makes me actually piss myself laughing. Um and we, we had a ball. It was great.

• 25:18Speaker 00

  Um, how do you find sort of hosting something like that? Cause that's kind, it's a, you, you're trying to get across the concept of the show.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:26Speaker 00

  They, they've booked you and Danny because of the skills and the personality that you bring to it. Is it like, how, how hard do you find that kind of thing?

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Um, I quite like hosting. I feel quite powerful when I host. Um.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  It's nice to be involved in something like that, but there's no stakes for you.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yes, just in the hotel.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  And obviously you have to, you have to like feign empathy for the contestants, but you don't really give a fuck, do you?

• 25:50Speaker 01

  No, just go and get pissed in the bar afterwards, yeah. Um, sort of standing there shaking, hungover most days. No, not at all. Um, but yeah, no, uh, it, it's, yeah, it's, it's really, it's, it's super funny. You've got all the, all the power and all the. But you do, we actually, we became really um kind of engrossed in it and uh I actually get very emotional at the end. I'm quite an emotional person anyway. But um, yeah, it was, it was, it was really interesting. Um, and uh with hosting, I, I, I don't find it easy. I wouldn't say it's like the thing. That I'm mainly really good at, but I do enjoy it.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Definitely. And especially doing it with someone that you can bounce off. Like I've done a lot of stuff with Joel, uh Joel Dommett. I love Joel. And like, if, if, if you're with someone that you can have a laugh.

• 26:37Speaker 00

  A lot of people don't realise this about Joel actually, and I, I'm not asking you to comment on this, but he obviously, he trades on being quite a nice guy, but he's a horrible prick, isn't he?

• 26:45Speaker 01

  He's a complete, yeah, complete utter.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  And I don't, I'm saying that, and I don't think that's being, I don't think that's being disloyal because like, no, because, no, because what I'm saying is what he does on TV is great.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Hi guys.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  You know, like all of that, yeah, yeah, all of that's great, but he's a fucking horrible piece of shit.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Horrible bastard, yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  Like, his views on the hotel protests are some of the most shocking things I've ever, and I remember him saying to me,

• 27:16Speaker 01

  You can't pin it.

• 27:17Speaker 00

  I remember him saying, I'm really struggling to fit in the Masked Singer around painting all these roundabouts.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  It's a nightmare.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Oh god.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Oh, Jolly.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  To be clear, Joel's, Joel's a great guy.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  He is so lovely.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, publicly.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 29:59Speaker 00

  You're kind of, we talked about your hosting, you're a bit of a, not a bit, you're a polymath, right? Acting, presenting.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  This is how I see you in this, in this light. It's, it's an interesting kind of thing, isn't it? Because I think as a woman, without banging that drum too much, as a woman, I find it really, I, I love doing it all, but it, it's hard to get people on side when you're doing

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Agreed, yeah. I think it's difficult. And I do think it's without being patronizing.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  No, yeah, for, for men too.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  I think, no, but I think it's more difficult for women than it is for men.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yeah. But I, I enjoy doing it all. I really do. And I think, yeah, and it's good, it's good to sort of just add strings to your bow, isn't it? And then, and just like try something and if you don't like it, just don't do it. It's like with, with stand-up comedy, everyone sort of when, when I said I was gonna do that, everyone was like, what the fuck are you joking? And I was, literally, hopefully.

• 30:55Speaker 00

  Are you joking?

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But I, I, I come from a, a family of comedians. So to me, it didn't feel too random to do, to do that at all. You know, I'd done the Inbetweeners and I, I've worked in comedy for years. So for me, it didn't feel too random. But when I remember the first night I went out.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  This is part of the TV show, just going out?

• 31:16Speaker 01

  This was just going out. So I did the jungle and then whilst I was in the, so my, my plan was to... To write, I wanted to do a one woman show. I didn't initially call it a stand up routine. I, I just.

• 31:27Speaker 00

  It's just an evening with you.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Evening with, yeah. Um, I wanted people to sort of see who I was as a person a little bit more and, and everything and, and. So the plan was to sell a few more tickets by being in the jungle and, you know, doing, hoping, hoping that when I came out. People might have bought some tickets.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  I did the other person who did that, notorious asshole Joel Dommett.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, God, I, what a. Um, I know, God, we're gonna, we're gonna have to get him, aren't we? Um, but no, I, he, he actually gave me a lot of good, uh, good advice. When I came out. He introduced me to Steve Dunn, who helped me write. Well, because I came out of the jungle. And I've, I'd sold out the entire show and I hadn't even written it yet. So I was like, oh my God.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  That's been a stand up.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  No, yeah. And then, and I, I got put in touch with Steve Dunn and then we wrote Talk Thirty to me. Um, and, but yeah, I'd already sold it out. And so I remember going out that first night and I remember the, and I'd never done, I'd never even done the clubs. I'd never, I'd never done stand up in my life.

• 32:26Speaker 00

  So when you did your first show.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  In Crawley.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  Was it at the Hawth?

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:32Speaker 00

  Holy shit, you debuted at the Hawth?

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  Fucking hell, that's a fire pit.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 00

  When you first went out there, how many gigs you did on, at that point?

• 32:39Speaker 01

  None.

• 32:40Speaker 00

  So literally.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  That was literally my first ever time, I know. And I went out and you won't believe it. And I went out, hadn't having like my whole life building up, I know. I know, I, I thought to myself, I could just collapse. I could just make out I fainted and not, and do it. Yeah. And so I went out there, lights go down, you know, G C S E play. And I'm like, my whole life building up to this moment went boom. And all I heard was, big tits. I know.

• 33:07Speaker 00

  That's Crawley.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  I know, and that's Crawley.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  They would have said that regardless if he was on.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  I, it's, I guess. Um, especially Joel Dommett. Um, but yeah, no, I, uh, yeah, and that was the first time I, I ever did it and. And everyone was kind of going, you're a psychopath.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  Was it, did you, had you memorized it or was it on a thing?

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Um, I've memorized it. Yeah, I'd learnt it. Lived it like a play.

• 33:28Speaker 00

  That is mad.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I couldn't work out when I came off stage, I couldn't work out if I loved it or hated it. Is that, but that's kind of what it is, isn't it really? It's like torturing yourself. It's like self harm.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  I, I'm gonna be honest with you, what you described, I would call an anxiety dream.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  Like the idea of the first time that you walk out on stage at all.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:46Speaker 00

  Is for your first show. It makes me wanna vom.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  So, so. And so, but and it went well, I guess.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  It went great and and Joel, he's getting so much airtime.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  I actually said to Joel, I actually said to Joel and I was a few gigs in and and he went, you know, um. And you how do you feel when you have like a quiet night or a bad night? And I'm and I said, I've never had a bad night.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  I bet you would have loved, by the way, I bet you would have loved to hear that.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  But you know, people got in people, you know, when you die on stage, I was like, I've never died. Everyone just loved it because I knew, I sorry. I know, I know, I know how mad this is saying this now.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  We were having a great time here.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  I know.

• 34:30Speaker 00

  Taken a big old shit on it, I don't mind telling you.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  It's a fucking insult, I know, I know, but I was so naive and I'd and I'd just written all these like Willie gags and like. Stuff about hen do's and and it was just a it was a load of women on hen do's with their little dick straws and all of that.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  And they just loved everything. I had to say, I knew me, I knew my audience, you know. And I catered for those girls. It was it was the false eyelash wearing fake tan girls on hen do's that. Came up to me afterwards saying, I've not didn't think I was posh enough to go to the theatre. Oh, my God, I loved it. I've never been to a comedy gig. I loved it. It was for those girls and they they loved it.

• 35:08Speaker 00

  Well, I think I I think actually that audience that you're describing without, again, without trying to be patronizing, but I can do it accidentally. And I do often, but I I do think you sort of think about the traditions of stand up comedy and I do think that's an audience that been underserved by. By by stand up and live comedy.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  And you sort of think it's been so, you know, even in the rise of alternative comedy, it was so dominated by blokes.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  Talking about their wives and kids and all of that. So, by the way, I'm speaking as somebody who still does that in twenty twenty six, but. You know, it was that that audience you're talking about is they weren't being spoken to, do you know what I mean? And or or. They haven't been spoken to as much as other audiences. So I do think that there is something in what you're saying that you're hitting that audience. But also, the the other thing is, in terms of your like your level of inexperience and without getting too nerdy about comedies, like. A lot of stand up comics, they have this thing of like, you've got to hit the clubs and you've got to you've got to hit the clubs and you've got to do your hard yards and blah blah.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Don't bother.

• 36:05Speaker 00

  I'm not saying don't bother kids. No, but but I I do think part of the downside of it, I I think there's a when you're doing comedy, there is two conflicting objectives, right? And one is to express yourself and say something interesting. And the other one is to make people laugh, right? And if you do the clubs too much, or you get too good at doing the clubs, you're so obsessed with hitting a punchline that actually

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  what you're saying is less interesting. Do you know what I mean? Because you're so you're so desperate to undercut undercut undercut undercut.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  And so actually, I think there is some method to your madness. I mean, would I recommend that? Would I? Do I think that anybody should do that? No.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Do I think you should have done it? No. But it works out for you.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  It did.

• 36:46Speaker 00

  If you if you'd have said to me, if you'd have said to me, Rom, I'm doing this thing, and the first time I do it is going to be as part of a I I would have genuinely, I would have said to you, like, as a mate, you've got to stop.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  You've got to call your team. Don't do it.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Sean Walsh said that to me.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, I bet he did. Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  He said, are you fucking mental? I was like, well, well, yes. Um, but yeah, that's how I got my sketch show. So I just I invited a load of execs and again, fucking mental. Um.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Not to the horse in Crawley.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Pardon?

• 37:18Speaker 00

  You didn't invite to the first one? Fucking hell, Emily. Are you serious?

• 37:22Speaker 01

  I did. That's how I got my sketch show. I fucking nailed it, Rom.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  How? Do you meditate three hours a day? How the fuck are you doing that?

• 37:30Speaker 01

  I know, and I I I didn't even drink any alcohol before it. And everyone was sort of saying to me going, I think this is the one time where we're okay if you would like a drink beforehand. I was like, no, no, I'm all right. I sort of pretended to have a drink on stage. And I got absolutely arse old afterwards, but that, yeah, no, and I got everyone from my TV to come and all the jungle lot and and yeah, and then they came and they commissioned my sketch show. Sorry.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  It's we have so many stand ups on here, talking about how hard it is.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry.

• 38:02Speaker 00

  And they talk about you just like, it's an impossible craft. Turns out it's quite easy.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Sorry. No, that's really.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  And perform it.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 00

  Everything you've been talking about with all these comments.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Just try.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  Write the jokes, stand and say them.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  Get a show.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Just like, say really funny things.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  Make it does make sense.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, no, it's actually meant, I know.

• 38:24Speaker 00

  The craft, you've got to tread the board, sorry.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  The craft, you've got to tread the board, sorry. We're on a bow, just like go out and say a load of funny things and then, and then go right, see you in the bar afterwards. And then get really arsehole and then do it again the next night.

• 38:39Speaker 00

  That's great.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  And then be even funnier the next night and then get funnier, don't get not funnier, get funnier.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  That makes, it does make. Why are you just making un, working eye contact with me as you say that? Actually, just talking. The people have been saying that I'm getting less funner.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  No, be honest, be honest.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  You are.

• 38:54Speaker 00

  No, because the way you did it, no, but the way you did it, the way you said it was like there's a rumor.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  No, I was showing off.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  I can handle it.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  I was showing off.

• 38:59Speaker 00

  I can handle it. Emily, Emily, M, M.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  You, you're untouchable.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  Great, great, great.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  You're untouchable.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  That is true, according to the Indian car system.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  But no, I, that's how I got my sketch show.

• 39:10Speaker 00

  So.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 39:12Speaker 00

  No, you don't have to apologize. I mean, don't apologize to me, apologize to the industry.

• 39:19Speaker 00

  But, um, but like, but, I mean, it's incre, that is amazing.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  That is fucking amazing. You know, I'm taking the piss saying that's mad. It is mad.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 39:28Speaker 00

  But it takes fucking balls of steel.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  To do something like that.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  And it fucking paid off, man, that's so good.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I, I worked really hard on it and I, there have been some things in my life that I have blagged and yeah, obviously to, to a degree, I did sort of blag that, but like, I worked really hard on it and I, I love writing, I absolutely, it made me realize how much I loved writing. I would sit there with Steve and it was just like a therapy session, just talking about my life and like, um, my dating life and all the things that, all the things that the papers love to talk about. I sort of felt like I was kind of, uh, like taking that ownership, a bit like doing a podcast, but you know, on stage. I I saw people afterwards kind of doing it um that had never done it before.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  And I think I was doing what everyone else was doing about me going, oh god, why are they doing that? And then I was like, oh shit, I'm that person, you know. But um but no, I I can't, I still can't work out if I loved or hated it. I don't I don't like touring. Uh it's lonely. I don't like the dressing rooms.

• 40:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, dressing rooms are grim.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  They're they're they're depressing and I get really lonely. Yeah, and it's all, it's like, why does it have to be that grim? I don't understand.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  I think it's just um to make you sad.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it is. And like, and and you'd sit there like afterwards, and I'm like, oh, that's why comedians are all really weird and fucked up. Cause that, sorry, but that is, that every comedian I know, I'm friends, I'm literally friends with, we're all friends with the same people. I just, I went to Catherine Ryan's house the other day and I was there with all of them and uh I, yeah, they're all.

• 41:06Speaker 00

  Was that for her Easter get together?

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I I'm gonna, let let me just tell you about what happened to me at that Easter get together. Um I'm really good friends with Catherine Ryan.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  She's great, love her.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  She's great, one of the best.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  She's like, yeah, icon to me.

• 41:20Speaker 00

  Tom Davis.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Yes, he was there.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was there. He phoned me the other, uh uh maybe a week and a half ago. And he said to me, are you going to Catherine's Easter thing? And I said, I would consider it if this wasn't the first I was hearing of it.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  She came to the renewal of your vows, you invited her to that, didn't you?

• 41:36Speaker 00

  I did, yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, she said, I I then text her immediately, cause I don't play that shit.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  And I said, why am I hearing from Tom Davis that you're having an Easter thing?

• 41:50Speaker 01

  I know.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  Right? And she said, oh, I thought it'd be too far for you.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Where do you, where do you live? Just so I can rub it in a bit more.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  Just down the road from the Hawth in Crawley.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Hmm, I live in, I live out in in the sticks, so I'm not sure if that's good enough.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  So listen, uh I know Catherine, Catherine's not, Catherine's not.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  I'm just here to make you feel great today.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  Catherine's not, I think we're gonna get Catherine on at this point, but just in case she's watching, fuck you.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Lovely dude.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  So you got this, you did the sketch show off the back there. What was that like? What was that like doing? And the sketch show, for people that didn't see it, was you're doing sketches, but also it was interspersed with your stand up as well, right?

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  It was sort of Seinfeldy, wasn't it? In terms of like, you would kind of set up a topic or a theme.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes. And I, I am so proud of it. I did three seasons of it and it was such hard work, such fun work. I remember the first season we did in Covid, so the rules were crazy, like it, it was, it was nuts. I can't believe we, we did that in series one, but it, I loved it. I found it, I found the scrutiny quite tough. I've, I've found that really tough. And, cause like, I, this was the first time I'd put my blood, sweat and tears into something. And like, it was mine, it was my name above the door. And it was funny, cause the working title was The Emily Atack Show. And when they came to me and said, what do you actually want to call it? I was like, I want to call it The Emily Atack Show.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Um, but there is a lot of, you know.

• 43:18Speaker 00

  A bit narcissistic.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. But yeah, but yeah, big gold letters, yeah. Um, and but then it, the reality of that really sort of kicks in, cause you go, oh my God, it's my name above the door. That's terrifying. And, uh, yeah. The, the press went through a stage of like, comparing it massively to my real life, cause I would talk a lot about real things that had happened. I spoke about like, my sex life and love life and all the stuff that the media like to talk about. Um, I, I felt it was taking ownership of it, but then it does, it, when it sort of lived simultaneously alongside each other, it was like, ah, it would, it would be like, I'd, I'd do a load of sketches about dating and then I'd get caught dating someone I shouldn't have been dating,

• 44:04Speaker 01

  or like, I'd, or I'd be rumored to be dating someone or, or, do you know what I mean? So I saw, I found that really difficult.

• 44:11Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Um, it was a shame, cause I loved, I loved writing it. The writers' room was so fun. There's nothing more creative and lovely doing that, you know, with all these incredible writers, like Amy Gladhill, I had her and Colin Holt, all these brilliant people. Um. And I felt really special and I felt really like, oh my god, like I've, this is the dream, you know, um. And it is just, yeah, I I I feel like I've maybe got a slightly thicker skin now, but at the time I I found the scrutiny really, really different.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Do you think that, um, uh, and by the way, I've not, I've not seen, I'm not saying this from having seen it, but like, as in the, the, any of the scrutiny. But like, I know we joked about it, but the fact that it it it to to the outsider.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Um.

• 44:55Speaker 00

  You got that show quick, right? So.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 00

  You you you've been an actor and then you put on a stage show and then off the back of that you get this sketch show.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Um hum.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  You are a performer that also had like a immediate, like a gossipy interest, do you know what I mean?

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Totally, salaciousness.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there there was, there was as much interest in what you were doing.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 00

  I in your life as there was, you know.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  And and I'm not saying that to diminish what you do professionally, but but it it, you know, you were in the tabloids and stuff like that, right? So do you think that that probably exacerbated the scrutiny?

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Completely, and but I I thought naively that would kind of take a bit of control on it, but it just, yeah, it just made it. It ju- it was like, um, you know, um, a red rag to a, with a bull, it was like the, the press just kind of. Really went for me with it, um, and yeah, I, and I, and in comedy, I've realised that, like, you you just can't. Worry about that, but I do, I'm quite sensitive and I I, yeah, I just, and also, when I was dating people, I I would, I would go on dates with people. Um, it was like, it was like, at at the, I was in top shagger mode.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  But it was really starting to, it it was starting to affect that because then men would kind of go, oh, if I go out with her, I'm gonna be all in the papers and she's gonna write about it in her sketch show and blah blah blah. So it kind of did start to, um, uh, kind of drip feed into my, my real life, which became quite lonely and.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Oh shit.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was a bit like, oh no, I I didn't enjoy that bit of it, but. Yeah, it was my own fucking fault, wasn't it?

• 46:32Speaker 00

  Well, no, tha- that's not true.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Well, it's just, you know, it's, and tha- that is, you just don't get that same scrutiny as a bloke. A woman talking about her sex life and doing all that stuff. I felt really liberated when I was doing it and I thought it was just funny and just silly.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  What I can tell you is almost certain, nobody's ever Googled Rama Shangalanathan Topshagger. I mean, it's almost certain.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Um, so, but I mean, you've, you've been really open about your, the tr- your treatment in the press and.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 47:01Speaker 00

  Online and stuff like that, a- a- and, and you talked about having a thinner skin back in the past. Like, do you think, have you become more philosophical about it now, do you think?

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, and I think, I, I, I, I've had a baby now, which completely sort of, don't get me wrong, I don't, it doesn't. You don't become an adult overnight just because you have a baby and you, and you start cooking tea for your partner and your child. Like, I still, I'm still affected by things like I was years ago, but it, I definitely feel. Um, I learnt a lot from that time and I don't have any regrets. I'd like, I'm glad I spoke about all those things. I'm glad. I made light of some of it. I'm glad I spoke quite seriously about some of it, like with the documentary I did, Ask Him For It. It's. It's my, my main thing has always been, I should be allowed to stand here and talk about these things and laugh about them and we can all have a good old laugh at my chaotic.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Love life, um, on, you know, uh, under my control of it. It's when, uh, people think that they can. Say what they like to you, send what they like to you, and that's the bit that I have a problem with. And some people think that you don't deserve that kind of privacy. It's not even privacy, is it? It's just, I don't want dick pics being sent to me. I don't want wanking videos being sent to me. But people think that because I've been this certain, um, this, this person who, you know, has had salacious stuff written in the press and I talk about these things.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  That means it's like open season, yeah, yeah.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Um, so I'm just always kind of that champion of, you know, I, I still talk about. Things I that, you know, funny things that have happened in my love life and blah, blah, blah. Um, I just don't look at the, the, my Instagram as much, you know.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  But doing Asking for It was like, it was a great thing to do and, and I don't know how much. You know, this is the documentary did about, you know, kind of your, the, the, the, the stuff you're getting sent and all the stuff that you talked about. First of all, when it, when it came out, it, I mean, it, it was, it was a brave show to make. And a brave thing to put yourself out there like that.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  Um, at the time, you must have been aware of the fact that lots of people going, thank God. That somebody is talking about all of this because, you know, like we talked about Catherine, who's, you know, who has been a friend, but is now an enemy. But e- e- even, even when I've seen, you know, I, I've been party to screen grabs, you know, sometimes she'll share screen grabs of stuff that's been said to her. And women just get sent stuff. That men don't have to, you know, uh, they're just, and when I say get sent stuff, I mean routinely get sent stuff, right?

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Thousands of messages a day.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so for you, and I, and I think it was, it's, it's so much. That actually people can't, they actually think this can't be true, that you must be exaggerating.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  But you're not.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  And, and so what was the, what was the kind of, what made you decide to, it was a really great thing that you did, and I think it really helped people, actually.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  I hope it did.

• 50:00Speaker 00

  What, what made you, what put you through that, that process of doing that?

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Well, it was, it was during Covid, I, I was living on my own in Covid. It was when it was like lockdown, lockdown, where you literally weren't allowed to see anybody at all. I, I hadn't touched a human being in weeks and I was on my own in my flat in Crouch End at the time. And, um, and I, and obviously we were all living online, weren't we? We're, it's, the, the online world became a, a great thing and a great tool to. Stay connected and watch funny videos and everybody, you know, we were all clapping the NHS on the, you know.

• 50:35Speaker 00

  That feels mad now, doesn't it?

• 50:36Speaker 01

  It's fucking crazy.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Can we just, listen, listen, I do, I do, I do love the NHS and I support everything they do. But thinking back to banging a wooden spoon against a saucepan on your doorstep.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  On the little lorry.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  What the fuck was going on?

• 50:50Speaker 01

  I know.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  It's fucking insane.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  Kids.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  I know.

• 50:57Speaker 00

  Kids.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  And everyone really aggressive, like.

• 51:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just don't know what, children must have been thinking, they've gone fucking nuts.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  I know, and then you just go inside and get absolutely twatted. Good times.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  I got, I can say it now, but I got heavily into edibles.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Oh, did you?

• 51:13Speaker 00

  Anyway, let's not talk about that. So, so anyway, so you, let's talk about the, so the documentary.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I, I was, I was online a lot, um, and I just, I really realised, and, and I was talk, I was talking to, I was replying to like, um, I don't like using the word fans, cause it makes me sound like I think I'm Madonna, but like, people, you know, I was connecting more with, um, members of the public than I, yeah, followers.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  Obsessives, disciples.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Psychos. Um, no, I was, I was connecting more with like followers, um, than I normally would because I was lonely and, and I, and we were all, everyone was there for each other and, you know, it was just that sort of thing. And I think it ramped up as well because it was lockdown. I was used to getting, um, videos and pictures and really disgusting messages, but it was like, it had really stepped up a gear. I mean, they were finding new things to shove up their arse or whatever it was. And, um, it was just getting, it was getting so bad and it, it started to really affect me personally and it gave, it gave me anxiety and, um, obviously, you know,

• 52:19Speaker 01

  the, the whole world was kind of, um, ending at the time as it was. And it was like, that just made it so much more lonely and awful and, I kind of, I started questioning my own, uh, who I was as a person and I was asking, what is it about me? What, what do you think it is about me that they do that to? I'd like, is it because I'm this way and is it because I'm that? And am I asking for this kind of attention? Um, cause I, I've sort of been told my whole life that, that like, I'm asking for that kind of thing. It's like if I'm, you know, when I was younger at school and I wore a short skirt, it might have been my school uniform, I'd get beat, you know, you'd get the, the horn tooted at you with, in vans, lorries and stuff and like.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  I was sort of told my skirt was too short, I wore too much makeup. I I always felt like, I've always been told that that that kind of negative attention is um brought on by my by me, by myself. So uh that, yeah, so when I was getting all these messages on Instagram, I then started I started looking through my Instagram going, well, do I post too many bikini photos on my bed? And, you know, don't get me wrong, like, I was, I was single at the time, and I, and I think for me personally, I maybe I I did put sexier photos up or like, you know, you sort of do carry yourself differently when you're single.

• 53:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you're also allowed to do that.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  Do what you want.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  Yes, uh but it's just, but this is the systemic thing, isn't it, that's been drilled into us that that I, it it, that it must be something I have to change or that I'm doing, you know. And so, yeah, I I just started, it was when I started questioning who I was as a person that I thought I'm gonna have to start talking about this. So I I literally just started posting the stuff that was being sent to me, just to see people's reactions. And I was kind of going, is this normal? Does anyone else get this? And it was met with, it was like fifty percent of people going, oh, yeah, I get this all the time, it's fucking horrible, isn't it? To, it was from that to like, oh my god, are you, like, this is the most horrific thing I've ever seen, are you okay? And, you know. Um, yeah, and then it it just kind of gathered all this traction. And then, uh, I started to think about

• 54:29Speaker 01

  how I could do maybe a documentary about it, um. And to, yeah, so then, and then BBC Two came forward and said, would you like to, you know, do a documentary? And I was like, yeah. And I already had, I already knew exactly how I wanted to do it. And and the people I wanted to see, I went to go and visit a school of girls to talk about what they're sort of facing in their, in their Gen Z era and how bad it is on social media. And, um, yeah, I really, I wanted to, it was so much harder than I thought it was gonna be, because it opens a fucking can of worms. And it it it, it was really, um, you put yourself in the firing line. And the, actually, for a time, when I did that documentary, the messages just ramped up.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  It was like I was making it worse for myself. I was making it worse.

• 55:16Speaker 00

  Um.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  And um I was kind of going, oh my god, I'm now stuck in this hole. I'm now this sort of spokesperson to talk about all these things, but people find that confusing because I've played all these sexy roles and I posed in my underwear for F H M and now I'm standing here.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  Can you have a problem with it now? If you know, that's the, that's the.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  That's the confusion. Men, men, men don't understand. They go, but I thought I was allowed to say this to you because I thought you were up for it. I thought you were fair game. It's, there's a bit of that. Um. So when I do stand up there as a spokesperson going, uh, this is unacceptable and I, I don't like, I don't like this treatment. Yeah, they get they sort of think that they, because they've had it drip fed into them that that, and this is the, this is headlines, uh, this is the media, how women are portrayed, especially women like me, girls like me, it's all the headlines are always. Emily Ateat flaunts her ample assets whilst on a stroll with her mum, right? I'm not flaunting anything, I'm just walking down the road, but because those words like flaunting and stuff has

• 56:13Speaker 01

  it, it's ingrained in people. It's, it's been drip fed into men that we are doing it for the male gaze. We're doing it so that you can wolf whistle at us, grab our asses, whatever it is. Um. And so when we turn around and go fuck off, I don't want to be treated like that. Yeah, they did, they, they kind of think we're taking that right away from them and they don't understand it. Um. So yeah, so sorry, I'm going off a bit.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  But yeah, that was the, that was kind of the, the crux of the, um, of the documentary. It was really, really difficult.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  Um. Do you think you would do any more?

• 56:43Speaker 01

  I would. I actually, I want to do a documentary about intimacy coordinators uh on sets because.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  Getting riddled.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  Well, this is the argument. So people are, um. It's, it's a very new, I'm sure you've experienced this. It's a very new thing. In terms, this has all happened since the Me Too movement. We now have people on set if we're doing sex scenes or, or anything, kissing scenes, anything that requires intimacy. We have a coordinator on set cock blocking us.

• 57:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Right? Um. But it's like, it's just, it's, but it's for so many different reasons and people get annoyed by it. People, people say, oh, I find it actually more awkward. But Romesh, let me, let me tell you something. It's, it's not just, so we know, right? You're not a pervert. Okay? We know that there are good men out there.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  We know there are great men.

• 57:36Speaker 00

  It's just that when you say it, it makes it sound like there's a suggestion that I have.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  No, no. So we know the, the good men.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  What I'm saying is you shouldn't, you shouldn't have to say.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  No, okay, but no, right.

• 57:48Speaker 00

  No, I'm not. Can we caption that?

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, we know, we know categorically I'm not a pervert.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  You're not a pervert. You aren't rumored to be a pervert. You are a good, lovely person that everyone likes to work with and you're professional. So to you, having an intimacy coordinator, yeah, that might be annoying to you, but some, there are some men out there who have completely abused their position of power and they don't behave in a way that they should and they and I, I, for girls like me, I've been on sets at, you know, nineteen, twenty, twenty-one, where I've been treated appallingly by, by men. Um, not always, but it's, I've, I've had more good experiences, experiences than I have bad ones. But the times where it's been bad, I would have, have given anything for someone just to be there to make sure I was all right.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  One outside voice, yeah.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's not, and it's not, they're not standing there trying to already blame, blame a guy for something that blaming you of something you haven't done. It's, it's also for afterwards. So like, for example, at Rivals, there was, there was this one particular day I did three sex scenes back to back, literally. And I, and it was, it was an exhausting day and I, and even though all the men I work with on Rivals are nothing but gracious, lovely and professional. It's a new, the intimacy coordinator thing, it is a new thing and people are finding their feet with it, finding out to navigate it. But I do think it's really important to show that women and men are being listened to and just making sure that everyone's comfortable

• 59:13Speaker 01

  during the intimacy scene and afterwards. And because sadly, there have been people who have abused that.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  But even, even like from the.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Sorry to get all serious.

• 59:24Speaker 00

  No, it's great. We need some of this on this fucking slut podcast. But even when like from a, from a bloke's point of view, like, not that I've, I've not done loads of sex scenes on camera, but I've not done loads of sex scenes full stop, but when, when, when.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  I love that they'll laugh at it.

• 59:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. They love it. But when we did like, when we did avoidance and it was Ashling and I doing that, that kiss. You you you even like I'm.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Fucking weird.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I'm thinking to myself, I don't know, we can talk about how much of a kiss we want this to be.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  But it's a fucking weird thing, like, you know, you're so frightened that you might not fright frightens the wrong, because Ashling's a maid, but i- if it's somebody you don't know.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  You might go to, you might misinterpret and then that person feels violated and all of that.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Yes, but that's why, that's also why an intimacy coordinate has to be there, because if somebody was to say, oh, I, he did that or whatever, that covers, covers your arse as well. It's it's just to, it's for everybody, it's it's so that, it's so that, uh, it's, yes, it, there might be an element of, uh, feeling a bit awkward, but at least that takes away something that could be way more.

• 1:00:29Speaker 00

  I mean, it's it's a tiny price to pay for the benefit, isn't it?

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so, because it's way more awkward being fucking felt up on a set and more like, you know, having someone whisper something in your ear that, you know, people can't, when no one's around, like, that's worse.

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  Um, now.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Bollocking over.

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, now, listen, I would, I'd love to have a better segue, but my mum's got a question for you.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  She's on voice now, I've not heard this, let's hear it, please.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  Hi Emily, this is Romesh's mum here, I love your performances in Rivals, you are fabulous. Do you have any juicy gossip behind the scenes?

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  Let me know, Rali, have a wonderful day, love you, bye.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  Do you have any juicy gossips from?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Juicy gossips, that's gonna be my next tour title.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Juicy gossips, I love her so much, it's a fun show, it's a fun group, there are so many of us, there are so many fun scenes, um, it's, we're a happy bunch and we get on very well.

• 1:01:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  And we like to.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Sounds, that's full of gossips.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  We're a happy bunch.

• 1:01:48Speaker 00

  We're a happy bunch, but not willing to discuss any juicy gossips further than that. Is that fair?

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, we get on great. We have such a fucking hoot. It is a dream job and Gillie Cooper, oh my god, Dame Gillie Cooper, we lost her in, in the middle of making season two, so it's like, that, that has given it so much more heart for us and it's like, the filming the rest of it was like a love letter to her and she loved drinking champagne and she had a twinkle in her eye and so we will continue to drink champagne and, you know, and misbehave. No, not misbehave.

• 1:02:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, but no gossip, no, there's no juicy gossips. Is it true that when they put out for casting that the, the call was for somebody like Emily Atack?

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, and I don't know whether to, I don't know how to, because at first I was like, oh my god, that's great. But then you read that, you know, she's a promiscuous fucking nightmare and you go, oh, cool. Um, but yeah, so Dominic, um, Treadwell Collins, uh, Laura Wade, amazing writers, um, they really are, they are such a duo. They, they write, they write it all and, uh, yeah, they, they told me that there was, when the breakdown for Sarah Stratten came in, they said, think Emily, so they, they explained what Sarah was like. Um, yeah, I think it was like extremely promiscuous, um, uh, badly behaved, car crash of a woman, um, but fun and loving. Think Emily Atack. I was like,

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  I'm kind of shocked. Um, but yeah, and then, so then the producers said, well, why don't we just try and get Emily Atack in the room? And I went in, I went in full eighties get up, um, and yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  So I hear stories about this, like, people do do this for casting.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  Yes, but you, it's much cooler not to, but I, I always do.

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  Right, okay.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  I really go for it.

• 1:03:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  And the ones that I do, I always get the job. So I would actually give that advice to someone. I can't really give very good advice, but.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  And do you think that overcomes a complete lack of acting ability? Ask him for a friend.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  I think it definitely distracts. So like, but I thi- I think, I think it just shows, you know, it shows good, good willing. But also, it's, it's just fun, isn't it?

• 1:03:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  And you get, you get two minutes in the room. You might as well, you know, look as much like a tit as you, as you possibly can.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Speaker 00

  Um, when you were making the first, cause obviously it's, it was a, I don't know, I was about to say it was a surprise smash, not a surprise, but like.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Speaker 00

  It, everybody was talking about it when it first came out and um, did you, did everybody feel that, I always am, am interested if, if people know that they're making magic when it's happening?

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Well, we used to all look around and kind of be like, people are either gonna fucking love this or fucking hate it. Because it's so difficult to know, especially how broad it felt and, and you know, like, and some of it as well for in this, in the, you know, current times, we were like, oh god, are we. Can we say that? We're gonna get over that. But it was, when you see it as a whole and you realise how brilliantly written it is, you go, ah, it, it, it was just, I think it was the perfect timing. Everyone needed that bit of fresh air. Everyone wanted to see some shagging on telly and.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Everyone, you know, and, and that's the thing, you're allowed to, to, to enjoy all of that stuff. Um, you're allowed to watch bonking on television and be like, ooh. Ooh, I wish that was me. Um, you know, I wish, I wish I was getting railed on a Concorde by Rupert Campbell Black. You are allowed to think that. We all do.

• 1:05:17Speaker 00

  Railed is such a great word, isn't it?

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Great. Um, but yeah, so, uh, yeah, and it was, it was naughty, um, but it was done, it was, I believe, done, done tastefully. Um, and like the nudity and the sex is obviously, that's the thing everyone's obsessed with, but it, it's never unnecessary. It's always integral to the story. It's like the naked tennis scene that I had to do. I, it, it, on paper you go, oh, that's just, that's bonkers and that's crazy. But it's, it's such a famous scene in the book. It's such a huge scene. So I really wanted to get that right. Um, yeah, it's, it, you're allowed to find it, uh, entertaining. You're allowed to, you're allowed to enjoy sex and the sexiness of it.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  Enjoy sexiness. Right, time for a game. This is misquoted.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  Uh, I have got five quotes for you. Some of them you said, some of them you didn't.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Oh god.

• 1:06:08Speaker 00

  And you just have to tell me if you said them or not.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  My heart's racing. I've got a temperature.

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  It's misquoted. There's no need to be nervous.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Can I get my colouring book now?

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's no pressure on this at all. Have you done any colouring, have you?

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Um, what in just in?

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  Sorry, it's just that I went through a phase. You're talking about during Covid. During Covid, I went through a phase of-

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Not the paint my numbers one. What was the other one? Pay- um, the mindfulness, the-

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, like the adult colour, not adult colour. You're not colouring somebody getting railed. But it was like, they're, they're much more like, it's like really complicated. It's actually quite too difficult for me.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, yeah, but don't, please don't tell me you do that paint my numbers box. No.

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  Let's play misquoted. So, we've got five quotes.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 00

  Some of them you said, some of them you didn't. Uh, here's your first one. Good luck. No need to feel any pressure.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  You've done great in this chat so far.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  So if this goes shit, we'll just, we won't put it in. Um, okay. Here's your first one. I knew what I wanted to do and I knew I didn't need a maths GCSE for it.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  I definitely said that.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  You did say that to the Guardian in 2024. Uh, this is about you leaving school aged 16 and moving to London.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:07:20Speaker 00

  That's nice. You got that right.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  That is nice.

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  Uh, you know, maths is a load of shit, isn't it?

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, maths is a fucking load of bullshit.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  Fuck maths.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  I, I'm dyslexic with numbers. What is it?

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  And the X's.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  What is it called when you're dyslexic with numbers? Cause I, I, for me, num- you know, I'm not dyslexic with letters, but I am dyslexic with numbers.

• 1:07:38Speaker 00

  Isn't it just called numerically dyslexic? I don't know if there's a specific word for it.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  I, I am that. I don't understand numbers.

• 1:07:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  Um, but who cares?

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  Look at you now.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:07:49Speaker 00

  If I can live that countryside life.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's why I don't like paint my numbers.

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  No. Paint by what?

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  Uh, okay, here's your next one. You won for one. Congratulations.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:08:00Speaker 00

  Uh, here's your next one. Charlotte Hinchcliffe is made for me. This is my role.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I definitely said that.

• 1:08:07Speaker 00

  Apparently, this is, this is what you said in the audition room.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  Um, I did. And now, and now knowing, that's funny to think, isn't it? Because I would never say that now, but I was so naive and I, I, it was like, I, I think it was like my second ever audition. And I was living on my, I was living, me and my sister were living in this flat. Um, and I, I had no money, like I had to pay the rent and I went in there going, well, I have to, I have to get this job. Like, there's no, you know, got to support me and my sister.

• 1:08:37Speaker 00

  So thi- this was just about this pure financial desperation, I guess.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Y- yes, but, but also just desperately trying to make it. I nee- I needed to become a famous actress quick, because I had to pay rent. So I went in and I saw all these other girls that, that I think hundreds of girls auditioned for Charlotte Inglethorpe. I had to even bang the door down to get an audition. And I just knew it was mine. And I, and I said to them just on the way out, I said, I just need to say this, this role is made for me. There is nobody in that room that can do that better than me. And they just went, thank you. And I was like, I walked out, I was like, fuck, I shouldn't have said that, but I got the part that day.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  Fucking hell.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  I know, I would never say that now.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  I didn't understand the etiquette, you know.

• 1:09:22Speaker 00

  Your career journey, you should be so dislikeable.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? Like, purely based on how you've done it, you're a piece of shit.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:09:32Speaker 00

  Like, and I mean that in like a, I mean that in a really envious kind of, good for you way.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  Like, fuck you, man.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Thanks, darling.

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  Okay, well done. Uh, you're two for two.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  Congrats. Here's your next one. When I told my mum about my nude scene in Rivals, she said, just do whatever Gilli Cooper says.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  No, I know what she said. Uh, I got the script for Rivals and I got the, the, I was going, I was reading the tennis scene and I read out the tennis scene to mum and it said, there are two people, um, uh, Sarah Stratton is playing tennis completely naked. Um, you can see her bush. It was like describing my bush. Um, and like my boobs flapping about and everything. And, and I said to mum, I said, I was like, I, I read out, you know, the scene and it was very raunchy.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  It says the word bush?

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Um, it says the word bush, yeah. It says she, she's, um, covering her bush with a tennis ball. And, um, it's very eighties. And, uh, and my mum said to me, she said, there is no way on earth that they are gonna get my daughter playing tennis.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  So, and I, that, yeah, so.

• 1:10:38Speaker 00

  When you read that, did you not slightly shit yourself?

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, about the tennis.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  I was, I was genuinely, I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna have to have tennis lessons.

• 1:10:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 00

  Uh, well done. That was, you got that right as well. So you're three for three.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:10:53Speaker 00

  Um, it was nominated for most memorable moment at the 2025 BAFTAs.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Does that mean I've been nominated for a BAFTA technically? I know it's.

• 1:11:01Speaker 00

  Don't know.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, surely.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  Does it?

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  You have been.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  No, but what I'm, no.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  The moment was nominated.

• 1:11:07Speaker 05

  Who was in the moment?

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I get it. Okay, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben. We can all do this fucking flannelly bullshit. But when you submit for the BAFTA, you have to list some names, don't you? So will Emily's name have been on that thing?

• 1:11:20Speaker 05

  You're sounding a bit jealous at the moment.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:11:22Speaker 05

  Because Emily's breezed into stand-up, breezed into acting, just found it all easy and done it. It's obviously been a bit more work.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, uh, yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  You've won, you've won BAFTAs, haven't you?

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, but not for fucking getting my bush out playing tennis. Uh, no, but I'm genuinely asking the question because you have to list an, I had to.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was, I was a technical BAFTA nominee. So I was at the nominee party. I was in the nominee room. Thanks.

• 1:11:45Speaker 05

  That was easy as well. Straight in.

• 1:11:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Straight in there. Just for getting my knockers out. Big tits. See? They never fail me.

• 1:11:52Speaker 00

  Here's your next one.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Unless it's for breastfeeding.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  Here's your next one. Um, getting that job was quite tricky. Just kidding, you never would have said that.

• 1:12:04Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Oh, god.

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  Here's your next one. Uh, you did very well at this.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:12:20Speaker 00

  I watched Downton Abbey every single day. I ate nothing but peanut butter sandwiches and pancakes.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Hmm. I don't know if, well. I, yes, I watched Downton Abbey. This is when I was pregnant.

• 1:12:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  And I watched Downton Abbey every single day. And I, all I ate was um peanut butter sandwiches. But it was actually banana bread and pears, um but, oh yeah, and pancakes.

• 1:12:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I did say that, yeah.

• 1:12:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, you did say that. Well done. Um, pregnancy, did it, did that change your relationship with your body?

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Oh my god, um, my, my body has been my best friend and my worst enemy throughout my fucking life. And like, cause it holds everything. It's like, it's done so much. It's worked for me. It's worked against me. It's pushed a child out. It's been ripped open. A woman's body tells such a fucking story, doesn't it? Um, and I think, yes, birthing a child when it all went horribly wrong at the birth and it was all very dramatic. Um, but uh, but I still fucking nailed it.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, childbirth nailed it, yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 00

  I, I understand you were nommed for best delivery of the year.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, yeah, I didn't even need a midwife, just did it myself, yeah. Um, yes, in a, yes, in answer to your question, it did.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  It did, um, yeah. It's, it's pretty nuts what women's bodies can do.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  Definitely. Um, okay, you're four for four.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  Here's your last one. Is this true or false? I'm a diehard believer. I'm sorry.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  No. Did I say that?

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  Do you think you said that?

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I like Justin Bieber. I'm a bit worried about him. I'd sort of wanna give him a big cuddle.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  I mean, listen, he's obviously, he's not been, you know, he's been pretty close to that loop, hasn't he?

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Bless him.

• 1:14:13Speaker 00

  But um, did you think you said that or not?

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  I don't think I said that.

• 1:14:16Speaker 00

  You didn't?

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:14:18Speaker 00

  Uh, what you actually said was, I'm obsessed with aliens and UFOs. I'm a believer. Who's to say there isn't life elsewhere?

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:25Speaker 00

  And that was to the Radio Times in twenty twenty five, which makes me feel that interview went off the fucking rails.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  So I nailed it.

• 1:14:36Speaker 00

  Um, you believe in aliens and stuff?

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  I do, yeah, well, I'm, I'm engaged to a scientist.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Which you would think that that would mean that I would believe, no, but actually, being with a scientist has, has really broadened my horizon.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  Statistically speaking, scientifically speaking, it's incredibly unlikely we're the only, the only ones here, right?

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  And when you actually learn about the intricate details and the, the complexities of the world and the universe, it is fucking mental.

• 1:15:05Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  And I do, I'm, I'm a big believer in, in everything. I believed in mermaids for a bit.

• 1:15:11Speaker 00

  Did you? How long was that for?

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  I'm not a conspiracy theorist though, so.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  What's a mermaid conspiracy?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Um, well, I don't know, just like.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Oh, God. But no, I, I'm, I, I like to believe in lots of things. I'm quite religious.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  I'm like a faith and I, but, and, and also that's an interesting thing because people think that being with a scientist would, would make you not.

• 1:15:39Speaker 00

  Religious.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it, it kind of does. And, and weirdly, because I read all the books that he reads and I, I try and learn as much as I can, listen to all the podcasts that he listens to and stuff and it's, it actually, they talk about God way more than they do.

• 1:15:52Speaker 00

  Do they?

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Scientists, like, science and God is actually way closer than you think, but that will save that for another day.

• 1:15:58Speaker 00

  God, that feels like, that's gonna be a fucking heavy second appearance.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  But, you know, it really, I, I remember, I remember the, the first time I listened to this insane science podcast. Like, it was like a Brian Cox thing and like, and I was surprised at how quickly they mentioned God. They mentioned God like straight away. Um, yeah, so I'm, yeah, I'm very interested in the universe and.

• 1:16:21Speaker 00

  So, Owl, you're the half, right? Is he religious? No?

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  No, well, no, but he is very, he's so intelligent, so his brain is so open. He, he would never say like, there's no such thing as this, there's no such thing as that, but, but he believes in. He believes in facts and science, but he's also very kind of connected to the universe in like a very interesting way.

• 1:16:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Um, there's been a lot of serendipity moments in our lives that have kind of brought us together and.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  So he's, so he's open to that idea, cause, cause the idea of somebody that's into science, you just think if you go, isn't it mad how the, the world brought us together and to go, um, well, actually it's just coincidence. Because that's what the train was doing at that time, you know, he wouldn't do that. I mean, I, I, I wasn't trying to do an impression of him.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:17:08Speaker 00

  I was doing an impression of a stereotypical, yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  He's a very sexy scientist.

• 1:17:11Speaker 00

  Of course he is.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  Four.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  That is.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Um, but yeah, no, he's, he's very, he's very open and very, um, he's just very smart.

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  He doesn't, he doesn't shut anything down. He will have a conversation and open anything.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  As we all should be.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:25Speaker 00

  Am I right?

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  Um, uh, now Emily, you've been an amazing guest.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:17:29Speaker 00

  Fantastic, right? Fantastic.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  Um, you've sort of given Ben a bit of an opportunity to attack me. Which is lovely, thank you for appreciating that. During the episode, but we will talk about how you're, how you've been during this episode. I think it's been disgusting. And I didn't want to make a big thing, cause I don't, I didn't want to embarrass Emily. Well, I, we'll talk about it afterwards, but you've been a real.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:17:51Speaker 00

  Okay, so, so just to, just to, uh, close off the episode, we, I, I, I'm sure, I don't know if you're aware actually. But we like to try and get an exclusive or a potentially, something that you haven't said publicly before.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:18:05Speaker 00

  Anything.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:18:08Speaker 00

  Is it, have you got anything for us?

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  I write poems and I was gonna read you a poet.

• 1:18:12Speaker 00

  Do you really write poems?

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:14Speaker 00

  Can you remember any?

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  No, I, I love poetry, um, because I'm not very good at reading books, I have to say. And so poetry, I just read. I read thousands of poems because they're quick.

• 1:18:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  And I get through mountains of poetry books.

• 1:18:28Speaker 00

  I'll tell you what, a, a, a good thing to do, cause sometimes reading books can be intimidating and I don't mean that in a patronizing way.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  No, no, yeah, they, I can't be asked, there's too many.

• 1:18:37Speaker 00

  Maybe I just am patronizing.

• 1:18:38Speaker 05

  I thi- I think you.

• 1:18:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, I think when some, I think when somebody denies it as many times as I have done, you maybe just fucking.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  But at least now you say sorry and be, I might be being patronizing, yeah.

• 1:18:47Speaker 00

  But you wouldn't accept that from a racist.

• 1:18:52Speaker 00

  But, um, you know, sometimes when you like, I don't like reading books where the chapters are really long.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 1:18:58Speaker 00

  If they've got really short chapters, you think, well, I can tackle this.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Cause I lo- I do love reading, but yeah, I can't be arsed when, and when the words are too small, can't be arsed.

• 1:19:06Speaker 00

  Increase the font size, please. Okay. Shall we hear a poem then?

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. So I am a bit embarrassed. Right, go on.

• 1:19:11Speaker 05

  It's like a limerick or like a serious one.

• 1:19:13Speaker 00

  A limerick?

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  No, it's quite, it's right. Okay. So this, I wrote this.

• 1:19:17Speaker 00

  My name is Emily Atack and this is a little bit of payback.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  No, right. The, the, I wrote this in Covid, okay?

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  And it's a bit flimsy.

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  And it's a bit eh, but it's just quite nice. I just think it's nice to end on a nice note. There's so many, so much shit going on in the world.

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, love it.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  And I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just, I'll just say something nice. This is called, When You Cannot Face The Day.

• 1:19:40Speaker 00

  Um, I'm very much looking forward to you being named poet laureate after reading this.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Don't take the Mickey, cause I'll never, this is the first time I've ever done this. So.

• 1:19:51Speaker 00

  Great. We're, we're honoured, genuinely, and I mean that.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  I feel like it's crawly all over again. Right. When you cannot face the day, a few things to remember. The months and seasons are here for you, January through December. When you cannot face the day, note the start of spring. Take a moment and listen and the birds will start to sing. A bit basic.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  When you cannot face the day and the summer sky is blue, those blazing rays of luminous gold, they're shining just for you. When you cannot face the day, notice the colours of autumn. Those expensive leather walking boots, you knew you should have bought them.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  When you cannot face the day because winter is just too dark. Find the footprints in the snow where your loved ones left their mark. Death. When you cannot face the day and you can't see through the mist, wondering when the last time was that you were hugged or kissed. Know that this will pass, my friend. You'll begin to find the light. Just try a little bit harder. Try with all your might. And when that day should come, take one small step outside. The beautiful day awaits you and you can face it because you tried. So when you cannot face the day, I send my love to you and hope and pray that you will find this world is there for you.

• 1:21:06Speaker 00

  Emily Atack, everybody. That was sick.

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

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