‘Wayne’s World’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  If you're a fan of the inner workings of Hollywood, then check out my podcast, The Town on the Ringer Podcast Network. My name's Matt Bellini. I'm founding partner at Puck and the writer of the What I'm Hearing newsletter. And with my show, The Town, I bring you the inside conversation about money and power in Hollywood. Every week, we've got three short episodes featuring real Hollywood insiders to tell you what people in town are actually talking about. We'll cover everything from why your favorite show was canceled overnight, which streamer is on the brink of collapse, and which executive is on the hot seat. Disney, Netflix, who's up, down, and who will never eat lunch in this town again. Follow The Town on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 0:40Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where we are on YouTube with Ringer Movies, where you can find all the episodes and clips from this. But now, some breaking news. We're on video every episode for Spotify. If you have Spotify, if you're watching on your phone, put it in your pocket, or you could go, no, I'm gonna actually look at these guys. You could see Kyle Brandt right now on Spotify. There he is. Look. So going forward, we're going to be doing all of these as video episodes on Spotify. But you can still listen to them, too. If you don't want the video, just turn it off. Anyway, it is SNL 50 Week, and it just passed. By the time you listen to this, with the three-hour extravaganza SNL 50 episode will have happened.

• 1:23Bill Simmons?

  We'll find out how they crammed 300 celebrities and executives and all that stuff in that room. You'll know all that. But we wanted to celebrate SNL one more time. We did Blues Brothers last week. It's Wayne's World this week. It was a special request from Kyle Brandt. Play the trailer.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  It's Wayne.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  This is definitely the type of place I'm gonna get when I move out of my parents' house.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  It's God.

• 1:44Speaker 03

  I love you, man. Thank you.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  And they've sold out.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  You know, I thought I had mono once for an entire year. It turned out I was just really bored.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Now they're out of the basement. Hi, Wayne. And they're headed for greatness.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  Get the net.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Wayne's World.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Hey, are you through yet? Because I'm getting tired of holding this. Shut up. That's what she said.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Rated PG-13. Starts Friday, February 14. That theater's everywhere.

• 2:23Bill Simmons?

  All right, Kyle Brandt is here. Usually we do bad action movies and we celebrate the careers of Stallone and Van Damme and I call him Von Dam and Van Dam and you know, I screw that up, but we're doing Wayne's World. This was a special request from you from like six months ago. Why?

• 2:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Really, really special movie to me. Saw it when I was 13 years old, perfect age, perfect theater. It's first movie I ever went to with a girl. I put my arm around her for the whole movie, laughed my ass off. And it's just a very special, very happy movie in which two fastball throwers just were throwing heat for 90 straight minutes and just giving you everything they got. And on the rewatch, Bill, I probably haven't watched Wayne's World in total in like maybe 10 years. I find myself laughing through every scene. It's every scene brings something and it just makes me happy.

• 3:14Bill Simmons?

  I was really worried because I had watched pieces, but I hadn't watched start to finish probably in five or six years, but had seen it, I don't know how many times in the 90s and 2000s. And I was a little worried. I was like, is this movie trapped in 92? Is producer Craig going to be shitting on it at the end of the podcast?

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 3:33Bill Simmons?

  I laughed the entire time. And my wife came in for probably 40% of it. And she was just like, wow, this one really makes you giggle, huh? I was like, it just does. It hits my funny bone. I don't know why. I don't know why it's still funny. A lot of the stuff is so dated. I can't wait to talk about some of the dated stuff. But tied into SNL, this was the second sketch movie they ever turned into an action or second sketch they actually turned into a movie. Improbable. I remember watching SNL in college and it was a 10 to one sketch they used to call them. It was the last sketch before the closing credits where they were just kind of shove stuff that were like passion projects for the cast or like the weirdest sketch they had. And this was one of them. I think this

• 4:17Bill Simmons?

  and the Barry Gibb Talk Show are the two most famous 10 to one sketches. So they shove it in, they start doing it over and over again. It's right when Myers is starting to kind of take off. First, when he joined the cast, it's like, this guy's name's Mike Myers? Like Michael Myers?

• 4:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, from Halloween.

• 4:32Bill Simmons?

  And quickly he had Wayne's World sprockets, turns into a star. And at some point, news came out there making this movie.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:39Bill Simmons?

  So I don't know. Do you remember even hearing that when you were a teenager or an almost teenager?

• 4:43Speaker 04

  If I remember it right, um, and it was really special because I think 12 and 13 is the time when you kind of really start to think SNL is cool, especially in the nineties and Carvey was amazing and Hartman in that era. And I was like in seventh grade and we would come to school the next day and quote like Lothar of the Hill People or Unfrozen Caveman. We just thought it was so cool. If I have it right, I, they ran a trailer for Wayne's World and it was an Addams Family spoof that I think ran in the theater before the Addams Family, which was a huge deal. And it was Wayne and Garth singing the Addams Family theme and kind of forgetting the lyrics. And they were making a Wayne's World movie and I had never, listen, Blues Brothers was before my time as a kid at that point. So the idea that something I watched on Saturday Night Live would be in a movie theater was

• 5:27Speaker 04

  electrifying, especially since Wayne and Garth were just so funny and I loved the music with it.

• 5:32Bill Simmons?

  I think, first of all, you're lucky that this was your cast and you're right. When you're 12, 13, your first SNL cast becomes your favorite cast.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:40Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I think this was the best four year stretch in the history of the show. I think they had more important stretches. I think you could talk about the, uh, season three and four with Belushi and Ackroyd and Bill Murray and Gilda Radner. And you could say that, you could say Eddie's like two and a half year peak. Some people love that. I get it. You could say the Will Ferrell, basically late nineties, leading into the Gore Bush election. You could talk about the cast with Sudeikis and Hayter and Kristen Wiig and, uh, and Amy Poehler and all that. You could go there.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Barrel.

• 6:13Bill Simmons?

  I just think that from 89 to 92, the show had been around long enough that all the people who were on it had kind of grown up affected by it. So it was like second generation and they were just loaded. They had Carvey and Myers and Hartman and it was fucking, it's crazy. Look back that you have Farley and Sandler as like just kind of coming off the bench, shooting a couple of threes as 10th men. And like you mentioned Lothar. Like, that's like a stealth SNL sketch, but that was the kind of shit they had all the time, Unfrozen, Caveman, Lawyer, all this like, really, really crazy weird stuff, and they were just delivering every time.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  And it's also, early 90s were pre even rudimentary internet, so to see the stuff on set, like, try to imagine being about 14 years old and watching SNL on NBC, and they, you see the Schmitz gay commercial for a gay beer, you couldn't fucking believe what you were watching, and there was no way to see that on the internet, you would talk to your friends the next day at lunch, be like, that was like a gay beer commercial, and then the guys came out in their bikinis, you could not fucking believe it, and it was Farley and Sandler, it was just like two all-timers, it's a, it's a, it's a wonderful, wonderful time, and one of the best things that kicked out was Wayne's World, which is the best SNL movie, and by far, the most successful SNL movie.

• 7:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's true. I remember in college, we would tape it, because we were out, and we'd watch it on Sunday mornings, and every once in a while, like, they'd have like the Sinatra group sketch, and we would just like, we couldn't handle it. I, I can't imagine the show, now it's like, everything's online immediately, there's just no way, there's like, the communal effect of the show. Um, there's a really interesting, this is a dopey, stupid movie, right, that we love?

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 7:53Bill Simmons?

  But there's a really interesting theme that ties into the early 90s with it, it's about the concept of selling out.

• 7:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:59Bill Simmons?

  Which was the single most important theme of Gen X, and is in all, a lot of the movies that are from this era, including some we've already done, it's the, it's the theme that drove Reality Bites, and this movie, even though it's stupid, in a good way, but ultimately, it's about like, these guys had this great little cable access show, and then Rob Lowe, evil Hollywood executive comes in, and he buys the show, he changes it, all of a sudden, there's a narrator at the beginning, "Party on, Wayne," and "Party on, Garth," there's a, there's a fake theme song, "Wayne's World, Wayne's World," and, and it's just like, this was everyone's fear, for whatever reason, from 91 to 95, it was, it was in all the music, it was in the TV, it was in the movies, don't sell out, stay true to yourself.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  Well, MTV, massive, very important to have music videos. I look at the year before this movie came out. Uh, Metallica does the Black Album with Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters. And like, took shit, but you, why are you doing a ballad? Why are you making these videos? And that was looked at as a sellout. And there's that line that when they finally finished the highly produced open of the TV show and Wayne goes, "Party on, Garth." And Garth goes, "I guess." And that was like, that's a reaction to someone who just sold out. You're like, "Nothing Else Matters" is a great song and some people want to be like, "I guess." Like, that's the whole, in, in one line, that's the idea of reacting to selling out. You're right.

• 9:21Bill Simmons?

  I mean, the most important sellout moment of the entire 90s was, I think Pearl Jam was on Time Magazine.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, Rage.

• 9:29Bill Simmons?

  And Eddie Vedder was devastated. It led to like, like, all of their album choices for the next four years. They were so upset that there was a possible, uh, people thinking that they were too mainstream, that they didn't care about their art, their music. And Cobain was always the North Star for this stuff. Like, he begrudgingly doing everything. All he wanted to do is care about his music. So anyway, the Wayne's World thing, which now it's, it's 30, 33 years later. It really makes sense that that became the North Star for this movie is like, can these guys keep their little Randy K. Black's this thing? I gotta say, I didn't think the show, the movie was gonna work. Um, it just seemed inconceivable that they could drag it out for 90 minutes.

• 10:10Bill Simmons?

  But my faith was in Garth, who I thought was an all-time comedic genius. I loved Garth on the sketches. And I was like, man, if they could really explore the studio space with Garth, maybe we'll have something with this movie. And then Garth is like, you know, the MVP of the movie. He's amazing.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Well, it, it speaks to, I know, like, we have the, the Devil Wears Prada Award, right? And it's like, did this movie set out what? It's, it's the crazy thing. We watched this sketch for over three years and it's only in a basement. And people come down, but you never leave the basement. And what they set out to achieve with this movie is, let's see what their world looks like when they go up the stairs to the basement. They go up this, they, they start this in the movie with like, the normal sketch, like, I've seen Wayne's World before. And then they go up the stairs and Wayne breaks the fourth wall immediately. And you're like, oh shit, this is cool. Like, he's talking to the camera. And then five minutes into the movie, we're already at Bohemian Rhapsody and the thing's incredible. They do an amazing job of coming up the stairs.

• 11:05Bill Simmons?

  You're right. Probably the best of any sketch turned in. I mean, we talked about Blues Brothers last week, which I know, big Chicago movie. I'm sure you've seen it a few times in your life. Same thing where it's like, how are they going to turn this premise into this whole bigger world? The only hint that they could do this with the movie in Wayne's World was when they had the, they had that great sketch with Aerosmith and Tom Hanks as like the groupie. Sibyl, Sibylance. But those Aerosmith guys came into, came into Wayne's World in the basement for a little bit. And it was like, all right, this is like, this is weird. It's also kind of cool that Aerosmith is in Wayne's basement and it kind of, to me, opened the, the door for possibilities.

• 11:48Speaker 04

  Well, it's Aerosmith and it's, it's the Madonna truth or dare spoof where they're doing this big, heavily produced thing and Wayne's like, I dare you to make out with me. And then, and then it was like the biggest thing ever. So they did a little bit, but I didn't think this movie could be as good as it is. And I think it's still excellent. You were talking about how much you were laughing. There's some of the stuff now when you watch that you laugh at because it's genuinely funny. I found myself laughing that we used to laugh at this because it's so stupid, but I promise you at the time, we laughed at it and it was cool.

• 12:19Bill Simmons?

  Well, Myers kicks off this whole era of like this absurdist meta referencing little stuff that had happened in the past, leading to Austin Powers and all those movies. And this is like a 12 year run of just goofiness. You know, it's all the Jim Carrey movies. It wasn't really until that 03, 04 range with Old School and the Apatow movies that we moved into some new version of movie comedy. But I think Myers really set the tone here for about a decade. Just be as goofy as possible.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, listen, all the stuff when he talks about that they're making a movie. This is the Oscar clip. This is the gratuitous sex scene. Obviously, we're going to talk about the sponsorship scene, which is, is just iconic. You know what I find myself reminding of in a contemporary sense? I found myself thinking about Deadpool and these Ryan Reynolds movies in which he's constantly talking to camera, breaking fourth wall, talking about the movie itself. And Ryan Reynolds is a guy who grew up in Canada and I would guess probably idolized Mike Myers without knowing that. That's what kids are watching now. And there's a lot of Wayne's World in these massive Deadpool movies. It just, it just works, man. He talks to the camera and I get it. I feel like I'm hanging out with Wayne.

• 13:29Bill Simmons?

  One of the other things from the early 90s, and I think the SNL would always, I've talked about it before, but SNL was, these were all kids raised on pop culture.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:38Bill Simmons?

  Right? We didn't have the internet. We didn't have all these different things. So we all kind of got the same jokes because we're all watching the same shows and the same movies. And Myers was the best at that, I think, of anyone on the show. And even like you see in this movie, like, he's ripping off a Laverne and Shirley parody.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:53Bill Simmons?

  Where they see the sign and he's like, you know what? We're doing a shot by shot Laverne and Shirley parody. And it's like, I was the, I'm like 100% the audience for that. I'm like, are they doing this? Oh, we're doing it. And

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:05Bill Simmons?

  I just think now I don't know what that is in 2025. I think it would be so hard to find common ground with everybody watching anything that they would get like, oh shit, I bet he's about to do the Laverne and Shirley shot for shot. And then they do it.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  It's, they, they do a really deeply produced Laverne and Shirley. Licensed the music. That probably took them two weeks to shoot that thing. It was so important. And it's like, it's so unbelievably dated for someone watching now. And I just think that, that was one thing that was tough for me is that now that I watch it, at 13, there were so many ref, I didn't know who Dick Van Patten was. I didn't know Ravi Shankar and all that shit. Like, I barely knew Laverne and Shirley.

• 14:44Bill Simmons?

  The two Derrons?

• 14:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:45Bill Simmons?

  Do you know the two Derrons from The Witch?

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Sergeant York, all that. I didn't know any of that stuff. I just, it was still funny the way he was saying it, so I would laugh. But you probably got that stuff.

• 14:53Bill Simmons?

  I got all of it. And I've said this before, but the SNL sketch that is, was one of the most dated sketches. That was also a Hall of Fame sketch was when Susan Day from the Partridge Family was on.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 15:04Bill Simmons?

  And they did a Brady Bunch versus Partridge Family kind of musical showdown.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:08Bill Simmons?

  And Chris Farley was Reuben and they were able to use the whole cast. And it was just like, this is, this is it, man. You guys have nailed it. This is my entire childhood in one sketch. Uh, and Wayne, a lot of the stuff that he did, Myers on the show as Wayne and Sprockets and,

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:25Bill Simmons?

  Um, he was always kind of dipping back into the seventies and eighties. And then eventually with Austin Powers, just became like sixties, James Bond movies crossed with English spy movies as like this whole thing. Anyway, Myers. So he's a real star at this point. I don't know if he's the biggest star in the show, but he was probably the one doing the most interesting stuff. I think Hartman was the best guy on the show. Carvey was probably the biggest star. And Myers was like, you just kind of never knew what was next for him. What he would, he would always be kind of zagging, doing like coffee talk all of a sudden and always like taking pretty big character swings, which you don't see on the show anymore.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Well, Hartman was the ultimate glue guy in that he, you know, he would do some solo stuff, but he could tie it together with the cast. Myers stuff where he really shined was either him by himself, like Simon or like Lozhar mostly, or Wayne and Garth. But like, like a sketch comedy prodigy, the backstory for him is everyone tells their audition story. Mike Myers did not audition for SNL. He was doing a display at the Second City in Toronto. Martin Short saw him and called Lorne Michaels and said, you have to hire this guy. Did not audition, was hired. That's like, that's unheard of. No audition. And he came on in the middle of a season, mid-season replacement. And by the end of the season, he was already doing these, these characters and then became a star really fast.

• 16:46Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, this happens sometimes on the show where the person joins the show, either start of the season or sometimes mid-season. And you know, right away, like Kristen Wiig was on, it was like within two episodes, like, oh, this is easy. Hater was like that. And Myers was definitely like that. What's weird is there were some people that I remember really like, Andy Samberg is another good one. I remember Ben Stiller.

• 17:11Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 17:12Bill Simmons?

  Had a couple of really funny things during, I think he was only on for like eight, nine episodes, but it seemed like they had something there and it just didn't happen. Sarah Silverman was another one. She was on Weekend Update a few times and I thought killed and we were like, who's this? This girl's great. And then was gone. So I don't, I don't know what Lorne's calculus is for some of these. Myers ended up sticking around.

• 17:32Speaker 04

  That's the weirdest niche dude. That is the, is the guys where you're like, oh, that person, what? Jay Moore, Downey Jr., Stiller, like those, those really talented people who just didn't fit or something.

• 17:43Bill Simmons?

  Tim Robinson was, was a latest one in like the mid 2010s, just didn't make it and probably should have. So Myers. Pretty, and there's been a few SNL books and there's been a lot written about the show. Pretty early on, it's clear he's, he's an artist. He's a little bit of an atypical SNL cast member, a little difficult. And, uh, and this becomes part of the Myers kind of legacy as we go from the last couple of years, SNL, Wayne's World, all the way through Austin Powers. There's multiple, like, really harsh pieces written about him, like a Vanity Fair piece in 2000. There's an Entertainment Weekly, you can go find these pieces online.

• 18:26Bill Simmons?

  He said his dad died in 1991 and he kind of went on a spiritual quest after that and just, he admits that he got a little strange, but, um, the Carvey stuff with this movie, Carvey versus Myers and all of the research and which a lot of people know, is this, I didn't know any of it in the early 90s, a really fascinating part of this movie. Myers didn't want Carvey in the movie. He wanted it to just be Wayne. After the movie, a couple of years later, he kind of openly steals Carvey's Dr. Evil, which was a Lorne Michaels impersonation, just turns it into Dr. Evil and Carvey's pissed about it for 20 years. They don't talk. Um, and that becomes part of the baggage of this movie in a not great way. Do you care?

• 19:12Speaker 04

  I care now and I, it goes back deep, like it's, it's, Myers would do Wayne for years before SNL. He would, it would be part of his Second City stuff. He had this character named Wayne. Gets to SNL and he's like, all right, I want to do Wayne. He's this guy who likes heavy metal and is funny. And they're like, no, you gotta have a wingman. You gotta have somebody else. He tells the story that he said, all right, I picked Dana Carvey because he was the best person in the cast. But then I also hear he doesn't want him in the movie, even though he's in the sketch. And you, I've heard you guys talk about the Dr. Evil stuff, which is, Carvey has said it. I mean, I think he was on Howard Stern saying, it's not just the voice. When I would do Lorne Michaels, I would do the backwards pinky finger too, which is basically how Mike Myers ended up printing money.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  And in the lens of Dana Carvey going on to not have a huge movie career, it's rough, man. I mean, it's, it's, it's, I don't like hearing about it.

• 20:04Bill Simmons?

  And Carvey said it was, you know, complete betrayal. I guess in the last couple of years, they've, they've buried the hatchet. They're apparently good friends now and they're doing the whole thing. And I think, I think Myers has apologized to him, but I think especially in the SNL circles, the people around the show, the writers, I think they were kind of shocked by the Dr. Evil thing for two reasons. One, that it was such a blatant Lauren imitation. And then two, that he's took this thing that Harvey did. Now, the counter would be everybody imitated Lauren. You imitate your boss, that's what you do. But, um, but according to research, Mike didn't want Dana in the movie. He acted like, you know, a crazy star on the set. The director did not like him.

• 20:47Bill Simmons?

  By 2008, Entertainment Weekly wrote about Myers. His unique brand of humor, driven by outside absurdist characters, psych eggs, and elaborately constructed and at times esoteric wordplay, may be falling out of fashion as audiences drift toward more grounded, relatable comedies. Like knocked up, but then they add, "The degree of enmity directed toward Myers by some who've worked with him, even years after the fact, is rare." Says one executive who had a rocky relationship with Myers. "I honestly root against him." And there's way more stuff and it's just like, one guy, there's another exec in that thing. He's like, "He's a great conversationalist, fun to talk to. It's all brain. He's not able to intuit anything real or natural about human experience."

• 21:31Bill Simmons?

  The truth is, for a lot of comedians, there's like a degree of Asperger's syndrome. He just seems, his just seems more acute. These are things written in like national magazines about Mike Myers. So difficult guy, uh, made Wayne's World 2 making that happen difficult too. And guess what? I don't care because the movie made me laugh the entire time I watched it.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  I love it. It bothers me to hear it, but then when I watched the movie, I instantly forget it. And you know how he must've been a really, really strong personality to have to deal with? Wayne's World is his first ever movie. He has never appeared in any movie scene of any kind. He's the lead in this movie and he's still like not, not happy to be there at all. And not like, wow, great, I get to make a movie, still causing that many problems. And that's how strong a opinion he was. Tough.

• 22:15Bill Simmons?

  Carvey had done Opportunity Knox, a movie that didn't make it. And this ends up being the most successful movie that he's in. There's a lot of mystery why he wasn't a bigger movie star, why he didn't, why at least he didn't have like a Will Ferrell arc, and I don't really have the answer. And I don't know at the very least why he didn't have some sort of like John C. Riley type of comedy career, where maybe he's not the main guy, but he's always in great parts for eight, nine years. He, he, he got, he had some sort of illness at some point. I forget if it was the late 90s, early 2000s. I think that screwed it up a little bit. He had a family. I don't, maybe he didn't want it as badly as some others, but I feel like we're like

• 22:58Bill Simmons?

  four Dana Carvey great movie parts short, looking back now.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  I, I have several thoughts on this for one of my flex categories today.

• 23:05Bill Simmons?

  Okay, we'll save it.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, save it. We can talk about that.

• 23:09Bill Simmons?

  You know, we can talk about Rob Lowe's comeback movie.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  Come on now. Let's go.

• 23:14Bill Simmons?

  We love Rob Lowe in this podcast. Rob Lowe, incredible 80s, just banging out hits. Huge part of the pop culture. And then had a, had a sex tape thing and it seemed like his career was over, but Lorne Michaels loved him because he was a great SNL host. He hosted one of the best SNL episodes of that entire era. One of the sketches was, sketches was, uh, he played Carcino? No, no, he didn't play Carcino. He played, uh, he played Arcinio.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:42Bill Simmons?

  Um, and had like these long fingers and was just doing the whoop, whoop, whoop.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  And he was amazing.

• 23:47Bill Simmons?

  Just, it was like, Rob Lowe's funny? Nobody had any idea. So Michaels filed it away and then cast him as the evil TV executive.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  I watched this morning, it's the 1990 episode that Rob Lowe hosted. The opening monologue is very strange. He comes out and he hasn't made a movie in two years and he's hosting SNL. He has this videotape scandal with these young women and it was dicey as hell. And as he's going through the monologue, they have plants in the audience and they're yelling at him, "I have a daughter." And everyone kind of laughs nervously. And then Lovitz comes up and says, you know, Rob, I'll take it from here. It's a very odd monologue, but became a very good episode.

• 24:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and there was, I think he, maybe he was in Sprockets, but I just remember, I just remember him being great. And, uh, and by the time he got into this movie, wasn't surprising. Ends up being in Tommy Boy and it, it resuscitates his career. He ends up on, uh, West Wing. He's really good in this. Michaels picked a director who had only made really music documentaries. He was in her mid 40s, Penelope Sphyrus.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 24:48Bill Simmons?

  Because he liked her documentaries and he felt like this needed like a hard driving musical edge. It was a very unusual choice. It worked because the movie's good. It was written by Bonnie and Terry Turner, who were, um, had SNL pedigree and went on to write a whole bunch of stuff. $20 million budget, $183.1 million it makes. It's the 10th, 10th biggest movie of 1992.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Phenomenon.

• 25:14Bill Simmons?

  Had to have a sequel, which we'll talk about later. Roger Ebert, three stars.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  Good, good. See?

• 25:22Bill Simmons?

  He said, "I walked into Wayne's world expecting a lot of dumb vulgar comedy and I got plenty, but I also found what I didn't expect. A genuinely amusing, sometimes even intelligent undercurrent." Raj!

• 25:35Bill Simmons?

  He's back. Raj likes story and comedy. All right, we're gonna take a break and then we're gonna do, uh, the categories.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Honey, that flu keeping you up? Did you take Nyquil Intense Flu?

• 25:47Speaker 05

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• 25:53Speaker 02

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• 25:55Speaker 06

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• 26:04Speaker 02

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• 26:13Bill Simmons?

  Mix it in up a little bit. I'm starting with what's the most 1992 thing about this movie?

• 26:18Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:19Bill Simmons?

  Because the answer is actually everything? But I'll give you some choices and then feel free to throw in some more. There's a commercial for the clapper.

• 26:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:29Bill Simmons?

  Great Poupon parodies. Alice Cooper Meatloaf nostalgic casting.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 26:35Bill Simmons?

  Laura Flynn Boyle, when she was kind of like.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Hell yes.

• 26:38Bill Simmons?

  Kind of a, kind of a little bit hot career wise.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:41Bill Simmons?

  There's two, there's a conversation about the two Darren Stephens is that I guarantee producer Craig wasn't following. You have cameos from Ione Sky, who was insane, anything Ed O'Neill, who's married with children and Chris Farley. You've Donna Dixon, about 10 years removed from being a true TV babe icon from Bosom Buddies, who now married to Dan Aykroyd. Portable CD players in a car.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:08Bill Simmons?

  That just made me happy. Rob Lowe's ties. I don't know if you noticed some of the ties he had that was like that era that was in with just like the craziest designs possible. You, you never were one of those ties on a TV set now.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Never.

• 27:20Bill Simmons?

  People would think you were like trying to raise money for some sort of charity. Successful arcade owners might be my pick.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Kids keep coughing up quarters.

• 27:32Bill Simmons?

  And then a Scooby Doo ending would be my last one. Is there anything else you would have for this?

• 27:36Speaker 04

  You got mine in there. I mean, we, we missed the Chia Pet is in there.

• 27:41Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  Empire carpeting. I know we're going to talk needle drop later, but ugly kid Joe is, was just amazing. And I hate everything about you.

• 27:51Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  But when he's driving with Cassandra and he has the dashboard mounted Discman CD player. Who then he opens up and she says, wow, look at the CD player. And then the song he puts on is a deep cut Chili Pepper song that is the B side to under the bridge. That is my answer. That's holy shit. That's good.

• 28:10Bill Simmons?

  It's beautiful. I, I think I had four different versions of that, uh, card disc because it would just get stolen. The moment you forgot to lock a door or leave a window open, that thing was just getting pulled out.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Did you have the one that where you would put a cassette tape in and the cassette had wires that came out of it that went to the CD player? Cause that one was.

• 28:29Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. I had that one. That was like the first one.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  I had that.

• 28:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 28:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  It eventually got pretty good.

• 28:42Bill Simmons?

  What's the perfect age to see this movie? What did you have for this?

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Initially, I was gonna say 13 because of your entry to SNL, but I missed so many of the jokes. I think it's actually what Wayne's age is in this movie, which is a little debatable, but he's living with his parents and I think he's like 23. I think out on your own, but maybe you have a crappy job and you live to have bands and music on the weekend. What do you think?

• 29:08Bill Simmons?

  I think college. It really hit home in college, but I think it's like sophomore, junior, senior of college, somewhere in there. It's perfect. Cause a lot of the pop culture stuff, you have to be kinda old enough to get.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:19Bill Simmons?

  I never watched Bewitched, but I got the two Darren's joke. Like there wasn't a single joke in that movie that I didn't get, even though I was just old enough to have a history for it. Uh, and then the Devil Wears Prada award for is this movie actually perfect for what it tried to do? I'm gonna say yes.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:34Bill Simmons?

  They said it's like a 9.7.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. In a wholly, fully realized world with friends and characters and rock bands, it was great.

• 29:41Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene, opening scene. You think it's an SNL sketch and then it blows out. Bohemian Rhapsody.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Let's go. I think we'll go with a little Bohemian Rhapsody, gentlemen. Good call.

• 30:03Bill Simmons?

  I see a little silhouette of a man. Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the fun and go? Thunderbolt and lightning, there is a riot in me.

• 30:16Bill Simmons?

  Probably my answer. It brings me the most joy.

• 30:21Bill Simmons?

  Um, the first time they did it, when, or the first time you saw the movie, kinda didn't know what was happening and it was so goofy and silly, but so much fun to watch. It kinda resuscitated Queen.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:33Bill Simmons?

  Not that Queen was dead, but I, all of a sudden the song was number two. It had been out for I don't know how many years. It rose to number two in the rankings cause the music video, everything about it. And then, uh, great Chicago footage. I mean, it's a roar, but it's like, there's

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, Chicago adjacent.

• 30:49Bill Simmons?

  Couple of Chicago adjacent landmarks. What else did you like?

• 30:51Speaker 04

  I, you, you can't say enough about the Bohemian Rhapsody scene. That was the takeaway from this movie for the masses. That's why it was a big hit. And I, I think it's really interesting because if you, you have some of it in the research, like Myers insisted that it was Bohemian Rhapsody. It was a Queen song. It was old at that point. It's not a nineties song. Myers loves everything British and then allegedly there was pushback from Lorne Michaels, who wanted it to be, uh, Welcome to the Jungle. And Myers eventually won, and I think he won. I'll tell you why. I saw this movie at 13 years old. I had never heard Bohemian Rhapsody in my life. I didn't know what the hell that song was. I don't know this Beelzebub and all that shit they're talking about and the head banging was crazy to me.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  And a kind of a cool thing, like, um, when the Bohemian Rhapsody movie came out with Rami Malek, I, through the NFL, got to interview the four guys in the band, like Rami Malek and the three other dudes. And I asked them, I said, so when did you guys first hear Queen's music? And these are pretty erudite, smart, like mostly British actors outside of Rami. And I thought they'd be like, oh, you know, my vinyl collection and my Every single one in the band said Wayne's World, Wayne's World, Wayne's World. I all heard, Rami Malek won an Oscar playing Freddie Mercury and he first heard Freddie Mercury in the Mirthmobile in Wayne's World. Like that is so cool. That's a big deal.

• 32:08Bill Simmons?

  I was not, you know, we, we didn't have a lot of musical choices in the eighties from a library standpoint, because rock had only really existed since the late sixties.

• 32:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:16Bill Simmons?

  Bohemian Rhapsody was not like a song that I was put on mixtapes. It was not a song we were cranking. It was, it completely reinvented the song, even though the song was there the whole time. And then became this legendary song. I'm sure like the giant diehard Queen fans would be like, no, no, that was, we always knew that was like, I, I'm just saying like for the general population, it was always we are the champions and another one bites the dust, like the two giant Queen dust.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  Exactly. Bohemian had, and it made me think like, if, if you could have picked a better song in 1992, and I was thinking like, would, if they had dropped Smells Like Teen Spirit in that scene, would that have totally changed the movie? It came out in 91. They're probably shooting the movie in 91. It would have worked and been cool, but there was something timeless and nostalgic about Bohemian Rhapsody that just worked and Myers was right.

• 33:04Bill Simmons?

  Myers was right. A parent allegedly threatened to walk off the set if they didn't listen to him on it. Um, I think from a nostalgia standpoint, what we talked about earlier with like, this is a movie made by people raised by seventies and eighties pop culture. It made sense. And it's just fucking funny. It's like, it's campy. It's good. The music video, which was on for a year, and it always ended with Myers going out of the car and doing that thing with the, with his hands.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:32Bill Simmons?

  I, I can't tell you how many times I watched it. That was the height of MTV. That was the Beavis and Butthead era. Um, great Chicago footage. It has the stop by to look at the guitar. It will be mine.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yes. It will be mine. Uh, it has the stealth Garth not knowing the words.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  So funny.

• 33:51Bill Simmons?

  Where they cut to him and he's just.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  He's just moving his little curled lips while it's nothing really mad and he's way off. I love that part of it.

• 34:01Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I think it has wins two extra words. The Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. And then the, okay, motherfucker. The award for the exact moment when the movie just goes up a notch. Cause it's like, oh, that's just gonna be a Wayne's World sketch and they're gonna look at the camera. It's like, oh shit. Now we're doing, now we're doing Bohemian Rhapsody in a 1976 Pacer?

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:22Bill Simmons?

  That's what we're doing?

• 34:24Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:25Bill Simmons?

  And it goes right into the cop when they meet the cop and the, uh, does anyone smell bacon? I don't know. Still makes me laugh.

• 34:32Speaker 04

  I definitely smell a pork product of some kind. Officer Koharski.

• 34:36Bill Simmons?

  Great. Uh, next one. Stan McKeaton's Donuts. Right into the nightclub. We're just, I'm just combining those scenes. We had Ed O'Neill's Glenn, the manager. He's a fucking serial killer, apparently. Donna Dixon, Stacy, the psycho hose beast. We go to the nightclub. We get Meatloaf as the manager, which was like, really, really impressive stunt casting in 1992. I don't know if the impact's still there.

• 34:58Speaker 04

  And it's all a wide shot. They never even zoom in on Meatloaf's face. You're like, is that fucking Meatloaf you're trying to see on the VHS? And it is.

• 35:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. We get the shitty Beatles mentioned.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Are they any good? They suck. So it's just not just a clever name.

• 35:13Bill Simmons?

  We find out Crucial Taunt is just wrapping up their set.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 35:17Bill Simmons?

  We get Tia Carrera singing Fire. Garth tasing somebody. Dream Weaver? Another callback to, uh, to a big seventies song. And then, uh, my favorite part of this whole scene, when he's trying to hit on Tia Carrera after and he says.

• 35:33Speaker 07

  Cassandra.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  Cassandra. Rough night, huh? Everybody's kung fu fighting.

• 35:40Speaker 07

  Yeah. Well, nice meeting you.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Hey, hold on. Can I call you sometime?

• 35:45Speaker 07

  You got five bucks, you can come to the red party. It's at my loft.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  I'm there.

• 35:50Bill Simmons?

  And then for us, like, they'd use this in the sketches, but she makes me feel kind of funny, like when I climbed the rope in gym class. It was a joke for the entire 90s for me with my friends. We would talk, we would say every girl we would talk about like that.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  We would say that, and then we would say, at first it's constrictive, and then after a while, it becomes a part of you, like the new pair of underpants.

• 36:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  That, what you just described is like the first 12 to 15 minutes of the movie, and it's absolutely perfect. There's fun camera play where Garth's like, oh, what's that over there? And then he fakes out the camera and runs away. It's all so fun.

• 36:23Bill Simmons?

  A lot of these comedies from the 80s and 90s, the first hour or the first 45 minutes is usually the best part. And I, I think this, this probably leans that way, too. The first hour is just a home run, but the first 15, 20 minutes is, um, not a wasted minute. Really great, really funny. Uh, next one, Rob Lowe offers them a contract. They're at that bar with that big, big drink.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  The pineapple thing up front, yeah.

• 36:47Bill Simmons?

  We're between lawyers right now, and then Garth says, I grabbed him by his big fat head and I said, listen, man, I'm not gonna go to jail for you or anybody. We get the Twilight Zone analogy, too, and then we get the, we got $5,000 theme song. I really like that scene.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  Everybody used to walk around saying, I've got $5,000. That's one of the thousand things you'd say from this movie, and it's, it's a fun little scene, and Lowe is good in it as, as usual.

• 37:13Bill Simmons?

  Watching airplanes take off is really fun when they're talking about, uh, Tia. In French, she would be called Léronard. And Garth says, she's Abraham Lincoln.

• 37:23Speaker 04

  Baby Majora. That stuff worked. We were all laughing at that stuff back then, baby, it was awesome.

• 37:29Bill Simmons?

  Craig, without spoiling your take at the end, did you find that funny or absolutely ridiculous?

• 37:34Speaker 03

  The, the, the baby Abraham Lincoln?

• 37:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. All that stuff?

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love that stuff.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Okay, good. It killed.

• 37:41Bill Simmons?

  Bugs Bunny? Was Bugs Bunny attractive when he wore a dress? It's, it's an argument when you're, when you're lying on a, on a car watching airplanes go by. I don't know, it would have made time.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  And then at the end, Garth just says, no, neither did I. I was just asking.

• 37:58Bill Simmons?

  The foxy lady scene is probably Carvey's greatest, uh, greatest like minute in the movie. And, you know, he's just a really special comic talent. That's like, nobody, I don't know if anyone else other than maybe Jim Carrey pulls that off from a physical standpoint, just really good.

• 38:16Bill Simmons?

  Foxy lady. Here I come, baby. I'm coming to get you.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. And when I was watching this, one of the times I laughed the hardest when my, when my wife goes, what are you watching? Is at the very end when they go tight on Garth and he goes, here I come, girl. I'm coming to get you. And he's just like, super sex machine with that stupid wig and glasses. And Carvey is so, so funny.

• 38:43Bill Simmons?

  Well, I have this team with the Myers and the underwear scene, cause both of them just physically are so funny in that. But Myers trying to mess with her when she's on the phone. He's in his underwear and he's walking around. It's just like, it's, he does some of that. And so I married an ax murderer too. It's just like, it's, I'm just gonna laugh. I'm sorry. I'm always gonna think that's funny. Rob Lowe's apartment, next rewatchable scene, a fully functional babe layer.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  He's got a Rolodex. Wayne orders the cream of some young guy. I, I laughed.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Who wants Chinese takeout? I know a great place. I'll have the cream of some young guy.

• 39:25Speaker 04

  Understand when that line came out for the next 20 years to any time anyone was ordering Chinese food of any, someone would say, I'll have the cream of some young guy. You had to say it.

• 39:34Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Rob Lowe orders and kidneys and we get the, this guy's good. The first new Wayne's World show I have in there with the Noah arcades, the present sign where they're like, what the fuck is going on? The generic announcer, Wayne changes the index cards. That's great. Then Wayne gets fired. Garth has toast. And then, uh, I put the third ending is pretty funny. All the ending, the super happy ending makes me laugh. Anything else you got?

• 40:01Speaker 04

  It's just those index cards. It's not just that he writes, he blows goats. He says, I have proof. And that line always kills me. He has proof that he blows goats. And just the stupid little stuff like, we haven't talked much about not yet. I know we'll get there, but like, he introduced him, he goes, here's our sponsor, Noah Vanderhoff. Nice name. Not. And I laughed when I watched that last night.

• 40:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So what do you got for most memorable? Rhapsody?

• 40:28Speaker 04

  It's the most memorable scene for me. The Makitas into the gas works is the best stretch of this movie and it's unbelievably good. I would go with that.

• 40:38Bill Simmons?

  What's aged the best? We talked about all the Myers Carvey, just the intrigue of their relationship aged really nicely. A Chris Farley cameo. It's great to see him.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  Ever in a movie.

• 40:49Bill Simmons?

  Super early for him too. Yeah. And he was funny and he was doing his.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  They come up through Chicago and you could tell like, that guy totally has it. He's, he's talking about cities and I'm laughing.

• 41:03Bill Simmons?

  I mentioned the music video.

• 41:06Bill Simmons?

  The no stairway to heaven sign in the music store.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 41:11Bill Simmons?

  Just great. Like really, it was, I don't know if that still happens, but that was the go to song for anybody learning how to tune a guitar in 1992.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  And there was, there's weird shit with that where everybody had the VHS of Wayne's World. I think it was even one you could get at McDonald's if you ordered a value meal. And he would start this, that scene and Wayne would play these three bizarre notes that sounded nothing like stairway to heaven.

• 41:34Bill Simmons?

  Cause they couldn't get the rights.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Right. So the story is they couldn't, they wouldn't pay Led Zeppelin to even play those three notes. So they, it doesn't sound anything like stairway. The joke doesn't make sense. But we just went with it for years.

• 41:45Bill Simmons?

  So in the research, they said they didn't want to pay the $100,000 for the VHS and the DVD. And so instead they mangled the movie. It's a hundred thousand dollars. I can't imagine how many people bought the Wayne's World VHS. Like, they definitely could have paid for it. And it fucked up the movie, like, forever. And then when they finally did, like, the Blu-ray, I think, and three years ago, they fixed it.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  If you watch it on Amazon now, just if you rent it for three bucks, it's the notes from Stairway to Heaven. And it totally makes sense. And the joke is there. We, everyone, even though it didn't make sense, we would still all talk about, no stairway. It's the joke still lived without it making any sense at all.

• 42:22Bill Simmons?

  I mean, you could buy it for five bucks on Amazon. It was half price. Cause I think it was cause S and O week. Yeah, I have more. What do you have for what stage the best?

• 42:32Speaker 04

  Can we talk about Tia Carrera's performance? Like, I fucking love her in this movie. And the fact that they chose her and where she came from, like, Tia Carrera was from Hawaii. She had done all these weird, stupid little shows that they did back there, like Airwolf or Love Boat, that type of stuff. And was gonna do Baywatch and did this movie. And as far as I've read and understood, does all of the singing. That's actually her. It's not like Marty McFly with a fake voice singing Go Johnny Go. That's actually her singing. I love her in this movie. Love it.

• 43:04Bill Simmons?

  I had a different spot for her later. I'm happy to do this now.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  All right, what do you got?

• 43:08Bill Simmons?

  Never understood why she wasn't in more stuff. And she wasn't bad. Like, she was in True Lies. Like, she was in some good stuff. She had a good career. She was a Curb Your Enthusiasm even with, uh, she played Richard Lewis's girlfriend.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:20Bill Simmons?

  But I was, uh, everybody I knew loved her.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:23Bill Simmons?

  And I almost feel like this feels like yet another Hollywood failing somebody who is actually talented. But there was some, there was some extra awesome part for her that I don't know what it was. And, uh, cause she was really, like, really talented.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  Very, very talented, obviously beautiful, but also like cool with the comedy. I'm sure you appreciate her in Rising Sun with Connery and Snapes. Like, that came a few years later, too.

• 43:45Bill Simmons?

  Come on. Who are you talking to?

• 43:47Speaker 04

  I know you're on that.

• 43:48Bill Simmons?

  Who are you talking to? Yeah, I thought she hung with the comedy really well and was like a good wingman. Cause we've seen, you know, especially in these nineties, two thousand comedies. I thought Beyonce really struggled in the third Austin Powers movie, but Heather Graham, even though I, I wouldn't call her the greatest actress, was kinda good at playing off. Of Austin, but then Elizabeth Hurley, who I wouldn't have expected was really good. You just kind of never know and they would just always throw in, but she was great. I thought with playing off.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Hanging in with that scene in the subtitles. That's like high comedy when it's they're going back and forth and then I have to wait. And the timing is there and like Myers is just cooking. And I'm never like this girl's over her skis at all. I, I just think she does a really, really good job in the movie. And like, I'm always, I'm a lifetime fan of her just because she's Cassandra. And also I think she has a really critical role and like her casting into this role. Bill keeps this from maybe being the whitest movie of all time. It's still probably in conversation, but if, if, if, if they cast somebody else who's not her, it's the whitest movie ever made from start to finish.

• 44:51Bill Simmons?

  But I think Aurora Illinois, I think maybe that was one of the things that we're going for.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  I think they were.

• 44:58Bill Simmons?

  I, Craig, bringing you in again, Tia Carrer. What, what, what were your thoughts watching this? And what did you leave with like wondering what she, what other stuff she did?

• 45:10Speaker 03

  I hadn't, I watched Curb, so I remember her from Curb. But the first time I really saw her in a movie was when we did True Lies.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I thought she was kind of like, honestly, a replaceable character in that. Like you could have probably slotted a lot of people in. I thought she was awesome in this. I assume she was lip syncing, but watching the film, I was like, man, she's doing either the best lip syncing job I've ever seen, or she's actually singing. I thought she was awesome and had great comedic timing.

• 45:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they Hollywood.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Also very good looking.

• 45:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Hollywood failed her. There was a couple other places. There was also not a lot of people like her.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:42Bill Simmons?

  In Hollywood at that time, so too bad. What else do you have?

• 45:45Speaker 04

  The soundtrack. Uh, this musically, this movie drops at a really interesting time, Bill. It's the hair metal thing is just kind of dying and grunge is just showing up. And my take on the soundtrack is that Singles is looked at as the grunge movie, and it has total credibility and it's very, very.

• 46:04Bill Simmons?

  Are you doing this?

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Doing which?

• 46:07Bill Simmons?

  I, I'm just, I just want to put my seatbelt on if you're going where I think you're going.

• 46:11Speaker 04

  This, this is a much more fun, more watchable movie than Singles that has at least one foot in grunge. They play a Temple of the Dog song in this. It's called All Night Thing. Like they were there early and it was cool. And like, I like this movie much more than Singles. It's not as, it's not as serious and maybe not quite as smart, I guess, but it, it has total credibility in hair metal and grunge.

• 46:35Bill Simmons?

  I had it on what stage the best because it does a nice job of seventies, early eighties nostalgia stuff like Dream Weaver, Bohemian Rhapsody. It also has Black Sabbath. It has Eric Clapton, Alice Cooper with Feed by Frankenstein, which I guess he insisted on his manager wanted him to play that instead of one of his hits. You have Tia Carrer, dude in the Ballroom Blitz, the re-recording of that one.

• 47:03Bill Simmons?

  And the Red Hot Chili Pepper song you mentioned and a whole bunch of other stuff, but Hendrix. It's and Hendrix, which is probably the most fun Hendrix song you could have put in a movie other than Hey Joe. But it's basically three different genres of music that they're weaving into it.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  I know.

• 47:19Bill Simmons?

  I also thought, uh, what was Tia's band? I'm blanking.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Crucial Taunt?

• 47:25Bill Simmons?

  The Crucial Taunt wasn't bad. Kind of like a high end club band, like if you, if you were on a Wednesday night in Aurora, like, oh, Crucial Taunt's playing, this is great.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Got this mega babe for a lead singer.

• 47:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're awesome. I loved them.

• 47:39Bill Simmons?

  A couple more would say it's the best.

• 47:44Bill Simmons?

  Dutch Door Action?

• 47:45Speaker 04

  Great. First he screws me, then he screws you. It's Dutch Door Action. I used to say that all the time.

• 47:50Bill Simmons?

  Is that a real thing or do you think Myers invented that on the spot?

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Well, a Dutch door is one that is kind of cut in half in the middle, I think, and the top opens and then the bottom, but it almost sounds like an ad lib. It's, I've never heard Dutch Door Action when it pertains to how you treat someone.

• 48:04Bill Simmons?

  Is that a possible production company for you? Dutch Door Action Productions, your new production company?

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, we make porn. It's great.

• 48:12Bill Simmons?

  Rob Lowe saying literally in this movie, then apparently on Parks and Rec, that became like the guy's catchphrase that he played on Parks and Rec.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  So apparently, did you not watch Parks and Rec though?

• 48:24Bill Simmons?

  I, I saw some of them. I didn't see all of them.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  I'm in the same boat. I wasn't a huge Parks and Rec guy.

• 48:29Bill Simmons?

  Um, I didn't put this as a rewatchable scene because I only really like one part, but the Alice Cooper, the Mila Wauke. Fantastic. Um, one of my college roommates, Chip Kane, was from Milwaukee and we just, we just changed it to Mila Wauke from that point on. We went to see him. We're gonna go to Mila. I'd never heard it before. We loved it. Got like, uh, six, seven years out of that.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  Which is Algonquin for the good land. One of the most interesting things about Milwaukee, Bill, it's the only major American city to have elected three socialist mayors. Cooper is great in that.

• 49:01Bill Simmons?

  He really is. Apparently, he didn't know he was gonna have dialogue and they just threw like all this dialogue at him. He's like, alright, I got it. Yeah. He thought he was just like doing like a handshake scene. He didn't realize he was speaking.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  That dynamic of that scene where they're just like, party, oh my God, it's Alex Cooper. And he's like, well, Milwaukee's certainly had a share of visitors over the years. It's, it's excellent. And by the way, the, another thing that just everybody does, when you have the backstage pass and you just hold it out in front of you to show everyone, that's, that's became because of this movie. You did it.

• 49:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I had that too. The, also, the blue screen taping, not quite good enough for a rewatchable scene, but when they're in the different cities and then it gets to Delaware, it's, hi, I'm in Delaware. Um, really funny because I have, uh, some of the Simmons family lives in Delaware, so we got a lot of enjoyment out of that.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  That still hangs around to this day. You know what that line is like? It is like in Sideways. I'm not drinking any fucking Merlot.

• 50:00Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  And then for Merlot is dead for decades. Anytime you mention Delaware, does someone above a certain age, you just say, hi, I'm in Delaware. It's permanent.

• 50:07Bill Simmons?

  Right. The branded content segment's funny.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Fantastic.

• 50:12Bill Simmons?

  For 1992, it was right when we were kind of losing our minds with people shoehorning products and this stuff. How'd you feel about street hockey in Blackhawks jerseys?

• 50:23Speaker 04

  It felt great in a random sports scene out of nowhere and it gave us the chorus of game on car. It's it's I love that part. It's great. They don't need to have that. They could be sitting on bar stools just talking about Benjamin. They go out and play some sports. It's pleasing to the eye. And then you get Stacy driving by and crashing into the Trans Am or whatever. And that's a laugh out loud moment.

• 50:44Bill Simmons?

  And that was in the in the trailer, I remember. In like the commercial when they're running a commercial endlessly. It was always her going into it. Led Zeppelin didn't write tunes that everyone liked. They left that to the Bee Gees. It's just stage the best. People still love the Bee Gees 33 years later. Wayne was calling it. So Carvey did his own drum playing for the music shop scene and is apparently a talented drummer. That was really him and it and just 100% authentic.

• 51:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, we watched that sketch for four years and he kind of just drums on his legs a little bit. But then they put in like this long drum solo and I guess he's really talented.

• 51:18Bill Simmons?

  Would you have lusting after Claudia Schiffer in What's Age The Best or What's Age The Worst?

• 51:25Bill Simmons?

  Or both?

• 51:26Speaker 04

  Probably best for me. I mean, I'm a fan of.

• 51:28Bill Simmons?

  Best for me, but I don't know if it's aged well because like does how many people under like 35 remember Claudia Schiffer?

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Oh, um, yeah, well, she she shows up in Love Actually. And so people actually know that movie really well. And so that's timeless every show. I think they might know her.

• 51:46Bill Simmons?

  I have two more. What's Age The Best? I kind of enjoyed Tia's music. I'm just going to be honest. I listen. She's doing all covers. I enjoyed the passion. She's really into it. Good performer. Just kind of fun to watch. It could have gone way worse is my point.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  She the Crucial Talk setlist. You have Fire and you got Ballroom Blitz. And then she's got that one that's got. Ain't got no reason for reaction. Yeah, that song's cool. And then it's like a. Why you gonna break my heart? Ooh, it's.

• 52:17Bill Simmons?

  That's probably the worst one and it's still solid.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  It's a cheesy ballad. I have their band comp it like it's a little bit of Lita Ford, which is the touch of whole. And it's a pretty cool band. I like Crucial Talk.

• 52:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's like before its time, not as good whole. I like the lead of Ford. I think you're right there. All right, bits that age the best. This we will also be doing this for What's Age The Worst.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 52:39Bill Simmons?

  No way, way. I think still works.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  All the time.

• 52:43Bill Simmons?

  Thumbs up. Yeah, that's what she said. Still funny.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  That's pre-office. That's pre-Michael Scott. That's what she said. It's, "Will you hurry up? I'm getting tired of holding this." That's what she said. Crushed it.

• 52:56Bill Simmons?

  Still works. I believe I requested the handjob. Still funny.

• 53:03Bill Simmons?

  The Terminator 2 cop, which should be dated, the cameo, but I think still works because that movie's iconic and everybody knows who the Terminator 2 cop is and it's still good.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  That's this movie just hitting you with every fastball it possibly. It doesn't need to have that. 91, Terminator 2 comes out and the next year they get Robert Patrick to show up. Have you seen this boy? And everybody in the theater lost their fucking minds. Brought the house down. It was really cool. I loved that part.

• 53:29Bill Simmons?

  That was probably the, one of the three biggest movies in 1991. So it was a good cameo. And then I still feel like the Oscar clip, extreme close-up, all that stuff still works. I, I wasn't embarrassed laughing at it.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  When he reaches for the water and throws it on his face, I, I like it. It's, it makes me laugh. The gratuitous sex scene, I like that. What doesn't work? What do you got?

• 53:51Bill Simmons?

  Great shot, Gordo Award for most cinematic shot. Probably something with the airplane flying over them, the way they, the way they shot it with those guys down. I mean, this isn't like the crazy best directing.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  I like the meta answer is when Wayne goes, "Camera one, camera two, camera one."

• 54:06Bill Simmons?

  Okay, that's good.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  Actually doing a shot.

• 54:09Bill Simmons?

  Would you have for the Chest Rockwell and Brock Landers Award for best character name? Would you go with Garth Algar or would you go something else?

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Those are great names. Garth Algar at the time, would also remember that one of the largest entertainers in the world was Garth Brooks. And he, he, there was only two people I can think of ever named Garth and then Algar. Garth Algar is an awesome name.

• 54:31Bill Simmons?

  All right, flex category. I gave you a couple of choices. Sent you all the backup categories. What do you got for us?

• 54:37Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go with an old classic on the rewatch list. I'm gonna go with the like racehorse fantasy team name, band name. Cause there's just so many of it. We mentioned Dutch door action. My buddy, my buddy Aaron, whose bar mitzvah theme was Aaron's World in homage to Wayne's World. He's, he named his fantasy team the Shitty Beatles. There's Psycho Hose Beast. But the best one by far for a horse band name or anything is Pralines and Dick.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  If Benjamin was an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines and Dick. I still laugh at that, too. Pralines and Dick is a horse name. Perfect.

• 55:15Bill Simmons?

  That's great. I love that one.

• 55:19Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  This is hard.

• 55:23Bill Simmons?

  I'd say I I'm nitpicking because I love this movie, but the last like 25 minutes probably just isn't as good as the first hour would be my nitpick.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Once they're trying to get to Jackie Sharp, the record exec.

• 55:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you know, it's all these comedies have the same issue. Would you have gone with something else?

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Mine is a little outside the box. My my problem with this movie, how and why is Phil Hartman not in this movie? Why was there not a place for him with Carvey's love for him and his working with him in so many other movies? I have it two different parts. He could have been Glenn, which was the Ed O'Neill role, but Ed O'Neill was great in that. And you have him as Officer Koharski, and he's talking about body cavity searches, and it's really funny.

• 56:02Bill Simmons?

  Well, and also he had him in So I Married an Axe Murderer, so it's not like he and he also stole that movie for five minutes. I thought I even thought he could have played the guy who owned the record company at the end.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Oh, the record.

• 56:14Bill Simmons?

  Mr. Big Frank.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  No, Myers and he very close. If you want an unusual watch, Myers shows up at an award show after the horrible, horrible death of Hartman and his wife and gives a very unusual address on the stage. But the takeaway from it was that he was really close to him and his family and they loved working together. I don't know why Phil Hartman is not in Wayne's World.

• 56:37Bill Simmons?

  You know, they filmed it right before that SNL season started. And that part of it was that 37 days to make the movie and then they had to get right to the first week SNL. And I wonder maybe if Hartman just had like the month off or something. It's a great point, though.

• 56:53Bill Simmons?

  We're gonna take a break and then we'll do What's Hates the Worst? All right, What's Hates the Worst? I I gotta say it, an extended Laverne and Shirley parody. For anyone under 35, it's just flying right over your head. There's no way you're getting one moment of that.

• 57:08Bill Simmons?

  I can't even believe Laverne and Shirley was the number one show. It it got to number one. It was the number one show in like 1980. It was the biggest show on TV. 1979, 1980, somewhere in there. And now, nobody would even know what that meant.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Well, think about that, though. You said 1980. They're shooting this in 91. That show was already really, really old. It's like looking at right now doing a movie that's, I don't know, like a Lost parody or something like that. Or maybe Modern Family, which was bigger.

• 57:35Bill Simmons?

  It'd be Modern Family, I think, is is a good comparison.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  But no one is like, hold on, Mike. Like, I know you love Laverne and Shirley, but you're asking for like a really extended produced bit of a show that ended 11 years ago. And he's like, yeah, I want it.

• 57:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Work for me.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:50Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst? Wayne's World 2? What's your relationship with this movie?

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Okay. I think Wayne's World 2 has some really funny shit in it. Like, there's the Kung Fu scene is amazing. And the the guy, the DJ is amazing. It it has a massive fatal flaw, which Myers decided to commit the entire movie to Oliver Stone's The Doors. And is the through line of the movie, which is a ridiculous choice, where Jim Morrison is showing up. It's not Val Kilmer either. It's like the it's it's a very strange choice at the time.

• 58:21Bill Simmons?

  It was strange when it happened. And I was I saw The Doors twice in the theater. I love The Doors, but I was like, wow, really? We're doing this? And I think it's really hurt the movie because it's this really elaborate Doors parody. It's got a graduate homage at one point. And I think it's dated way, way, way, way worse than Wayne's World 1. Wayne's World 2, it's like, wow, what is this?

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Musical number, the the it's the Village People, which, you know, I know it's iconic, but that's also really old. No kid right now ever, maybe your son or something, my son tries to turn on Wayne's World. It's hard enough to keep up with it. What the fuck is with this guy out in the desert with the leather pants and the sunglasses? Like, The Doors was not that big of a movie. It's not like a Terminator homage.

• 59:06Bill Simmons?

  It's weird.

• 59:07Speaker 04

  It he married the whole movie to The Doors.

• 59:09Bill Simmons?

  It felt like they had to start filming and they needed an idea. And he had about 20 minutes to bet where he was like, what if, uh? How about this? And they just kind of let him go. What's age the worst? Dana Carvey develops severe pain in his jaw. Because he had to do Gar Sunderbait for like 35 days and had to like have ice on his face at night. Of course, he was always like doing that weird thing. And uh, I was a gamer, that Dana Carvey.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  That sounds like something that Christian Bale would go through or something.

• 59:38Bill Simmons?

  No question.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Committed actor, Dana Carvey, wow, in heart.

• 59:42Bill Simmons?

  Um, learning English from the Police Academy movies? Definitely is age the worst.

• 59:50Speaker 04

  Would we ever do one, Bill? And when I say we, anybody, would there ever be a Police Academy is rewatchable? Could you do it?

• 59:55Bill Simmons?

  I think we could do the first one.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  Police Academy one, not assigned to Miami Beach?

• 59:59Bill Simmons?

  He would be how it went. You would just have to text me and say, can we do Police Academy? I'd be like, okay, fine. Twist my arm. Movie was like the number four movie of 1985 or whatever.

• 1:00:10Speaker 04

  Bill, I got principles and I have priorities. I'm, I'm trying to put in some time to get comfortable with Jim Cotta. So I gotta put that in front of Police Academy, dude. I got work to do.

• 1:00:19Bill Simmons?

  And then my last one's age the worst is stone, stoned, uh, honking guy who from Bohemian Rhapsody, Phil?

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:26Bill Simmons?

  Who they pull in, don't honk in the car?

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:29Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if we needed him again after that scene. I might, I might have told him you didn't need to come back. Yeah, that's it. I think he, we were one and done with that. Maybe work in another character at that point.

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  Um, can we, it's talking about what's age the worst. Can we talk about not? Let's have a conversation about not.

• 1:00:45Bill Simmons?

  Well, so I had the bits that aged the worst. I have not, I have swing and the we're not worthy are the three that felt really stale to me all these years later.

• 1:00:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. Swing was boners and we're not worthy. You bow down in front of people. Not was a, again, I keep saying it was like cultural phenomenon. It was everywhere.

• 1:01:03Bill Simmons?

  It was.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  I, my wife is like six or seven years younger than me. I said, do you remember what not was? She said, I had a hat that said not on it with an exclamation point, like a baseball cap that I used to wear. And it was, you would just, you would say like to your friend, like, oh man, I really liked those shoes. Those look good on you. He'd say, thanks. You go not. And it was just like a sick burn and everyone did it.

• 1:01:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was a top five catchphrase from the show over the last 50 years that seeped into real culture. Everybody said it. People would also missay it and mangle it and do it incorrectly. And you knew it was getting bad when it was on like SportsCenter.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:39Bill Simmons?

  Like a SportsCenter anchor would try to do a not and it would just go badly. Like, all right, I guess we're done with this.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  And Glenn Rice is money from the corner, not brick. You know, like he would do something like, you know, the full circle that it made is Borat. They do a bit with Borat where he goes to learn American comedy.

• 1:01:55Bill Simmons?

  It's the official end of not, yeah.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  Remember that? And there's this like really nerdy comedy instructor who tries to teach him not jokes and Borat just keeps messing it up and fucking with him. But it was being used as an example of the lamest possible American comedy.

• 1:02:08Bill Simmons?

  I'd like to stick my penis in you, not.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Yes. As your marinated prostitute, not.

• 1:02:15Bill Simmons?

  We're doing Borat this year. That's 100% happening. Do you have any other, what stage is the worst?

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  Um, no, we covered the sequel and the doors. I'm good on that.

• 1:02:25Bill Simmons?

  The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinek Partridge Overacting Award, which I think in this case is an underacting award for Frankie Sharp of Sharp Records. I can only assume like Christopher Walken was supposed to have that part and called in sick day of and they just like grabbed somebody. That guy is the worst actor in this movie by far. I have no idea why he's in the movie. No idea, none.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  They went to the Halloween store and got the costume in a bag for Agent with a cigar and a pinky ring and a pinstripe suit. Hi, I'm Jackie Sharp and I must say, while you're very beautiful, it's, it's tough. I don't know.

• 1:02:59Bill Simmons?

  It's really bad. He's so bad. I can't believe that's who they picked for that part. All right, you have another flex category. What do you got?

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  All right. The category of the actor I can't believe did not become a bigger star. Let's talk about Dana Carvey, all right? Dana Carvey brought me into SNL when I was in about sixth grade. He was the star. He ran the show. It's all his biggest sketches. And I look back on it and I feel like the absolute ceiling for Dana Carvey with his talent and his audience reception was like a Steve Martin. And I would have thought the basement would have been Tim Allen or maybe even like Kevin James, like who had big success in a lot of avenues. And it didn't work out for a couple of different reasons. Why do you think he didn't become a bigger commercial star?

• 1:03:51Bill Simmons?

  It seemed like, you know, he did the Dana Carvey Show in the mid 90s.

• 1:03:54Speaker 04

  Ninety-six.

• 1:03:55Bill Simmons?

  Versus not trying to really jump on the movie thing. I think he stayed in SNL one year too long. He had to do two Wayne's World movies coming out of the gate. The second one wasn't as well received. But he just missed like his, he never had his like Ace Ventura. Like if Jim Carrey doesn't have Ace Ventura, does Jim Carrey happen in the same way? I don't know. Like he certainly was talented enough for it to happen, but you still need like, you still need the one movie. Like Will Ferrell was a Night at the Roxbury. Didn't do well.

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:27Bill Simmons?

  He was in a couple of other things, didn't do well. But then Old School happened. And then it was like, okay, I'm ready for Will Ferrell to be a movie star. And Dana just never had his thing. There might be part of it where he was like a better character actor than as a leading man who's gonna get the girl in the end. Maybe there's something about him that it didn't totally work. But he was so good and so smart and such a hilarious guy. I don't understand where his Ace Ventura was at least.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  And I had this conversation this morning with Strager at work and he was like, you know, someone like Steve Martin was a genuinely really good actor. When he needed to, he could cry, he could do the drama. He's like, I can't take Dana Carvey seriously. But then I said, like 90% of the stuff that Ferrell does is ridiculous farce comedy. Just for some reason, he never landed. And then what happened is he makes a few Mrs. Movies. The Dana Carvey Show, which was incredibly pedigree, doesn't work out because of the time slot and all that shit. And then he finally gets his act together and he's gonna make his Austin Powers, and his Austin Powers is Master of Disguise. Which was one of those movies that was not only bad, but became known for being bad, like Geely or something like that.

• 1:05:36Bill Simmons?

  That was it.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  I remember like Kevin and Bean in L.A. would just play a different clip every single morning, just make fun of it. And then Dana Carvey, and like that was pretty much it for that type of stuff.

• 1:05:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and he became a big family guy. I don't think he has a lot of regrets either. I think he did fine and just threw himself into the family thing and.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I think he can get a nice check whenever he wants. Like, I think he could do stand up and all that. And I love him and I root for him. I'm bringing this up because I would have liked to see him be able to do more stuff, you know?

• 1:05:59Bill Simmons?

  I think the mistake he made, now that we're talking about it, he was such a good musician. Like, his, the thing that got him hired on SNL was the chopping broccoli sketch. And you watch him in the first couple of seasons, like, he was, he was like the rarest of SNL talents because he could basically do any form of a sketch. He could sing, he could perform, but, you know, he was like a very old school 70s performer. Maybe that's what, maybe that Derek Stevens character could have been the movie, like him. I don't know. I'm with you, though. Sometimes, the Hartman thing never really made sense to me either. I mean, it felt like he could have carried, been the number one guy on an awesome comedy on like NBC or ABC. Instead, he was like a side character.

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was news radio side, right? But not like that Tim Allen home improvement character. I know what you mean.

• 1:06:50Bill Simmons?

  I love Carvey. I'm glad his, I'm glad his podcast is so successful now. But yeah, it's weird. I think you just need like that one, that one part. Samler kind of grabbed the bull by the horns and like he made Happy Gilmore and like he, he really like tried to make his own shit. Billy Madison, then Happy Gilmore. He tried to make his own shit and control his own destiny. Maybe Dana.

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  And of course, the take is, is that, you know, maybe Myers, when you're playing Austin Powers, maybe you let Carvey be Dr. Evil. And he does that thing and then he's on that rocket with you. But Myers was probably like, no, I've already worked with Dana and I'm done. I'm doing this both by myself. But it was gone. Sad.

• 1:07:27Bill Simmons?

  The C, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.

• 1:07:35Bill Simmons?

  Wayne's World, the first YouTube video ever.

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  Hmm, interesting. Go on.

• 1:07:40Bill Simmons?

  Everything they're doing in Wayne's World, and they called it cable access back then, just kind of became YouTube? And I'm wondering, is YouTube just cable access?

• 1:07:50Bill Simmons?

  Like, like, are we just thinking about it wrong? Everything that worked on cable access on local channels and then just like strip it down. All you need is one cameraman. He can be drunk. It's fine. Some bad lighting. It's okay. You can do this in your basement. And this just is now a lot of content all over the place, really successful.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Well, I had a question for you. I had this an unanswerable is that what is the real equivalent of Wayne's World? Like, as it's happened in front of us, something that has been plucked from cable access and made into mainstream, like, is it, is, is it, is it Haktua? Like, what, what, what is it? I don't even know.

• 1:08:27Bill Simmons?

  Haktua, I think it's already over for her.

• 1:08:29Speaker 04

  I think it's, it's a wrap. You're worried about Haktua.

• 1:08:31Bill Simmons?

  Is she, live fast and left a good looking corpse? Is it? I don't know. To me, it's like one of these weird video, like the, almost like one of these player podcasts, like Jeff Teague's podcast.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:08:44Bill Simmons?

  Just becoming like a, a podcast that people watch. And it's, you know, it's basically the 30 plus years later of this. It's like, I'm gonna hang out with my friends. We might have a guest every once in a while.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  I think there's a lot of YouTube shows that I think have propelled people to fame. What's funny is Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, who went on to be on SNL, were almost doing their own version of Wayne's World in San Diego on YouTube in like the 2000s. And they would have this like awkward humor television show where they would go around and do local San Diego things and then that got them famous and took them to SNL. I'm sure it was Wayne's World inspired.

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 1:09:19Bill Simmons?

  Well, 15 years later, this is just a YouTube show. The cable access thing is gone.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:09:25Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:09:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's 2008, which is what it is. What do you have? Do you have a hottest take or keep going?

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  Uh, my, my hottest take is, I'm gonna just go right from the hip on this one. I think Wayne's World is the most quotable movie of all time. That's my hot take on it. And I'll put it in, in context. If you want to.

• 1:09:42Bill Simmons?

  Over like Airplane?

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it's, I think at the very least, it's in the Elite Eight and it's with things like Lebowski, Anchorman, Airplane. I can't find a scene in this movie, any scene, where there's not at least a line that people have said that you would know or that you incorporate in everyday life. I think it's like, something like Jerry Maguire was another 90's luminary. They have like two or three things that broke through. Show me the money, you complete me. Wayne's World has like 15 things. We've been mentioning him now for an hour. All the, excuse me, baking powder, like the countdown from five, four, three, you don't say two or one. Those are all things that infiltrated.

• 1:10:19Bill Simmons?

  When you first started doing TV, did you think about Wayne's World? The first time they did that? I thought about it every single time.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  Will say Wayne's World, five, four, they, it's, it's iconic in that sense. The gun rack, the lawyer stuff where he's like, ooh, yes, I'm not so sure about, yes, like, that is bits that people still do to this day. And Wayne's World has like 20 of them. So there's a lot of quotable movies. I think it's the most quotable movie of all time from start to finish.

• 1:10:45Bill Simmons?

  21st century, probably Anchorman.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, Anchorman is.

• 1:10:49Bill Simmons?

  Just the, it has the most material to work with, I think, scene by scene. Just things where people would understand what you're doing. This is the reason we haven't done it on rewatchables yet.

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  I think Anchorman, I think every Christmas season, Christmas vacation, there's tons of them. Lebowski and Anchorman are one of those movies that people quote that don't even realize they're quoting the movie. Like when you say a rug ties the room together, like that's Lebowski and some people don't even know it. But they're all up there, those are the greats.

• 1:11:14Bill Simmons?

  Casting whatevs don't really have anything other than Michael's wanting to do Guns N' Roses, Getting Over the World. And then Cooper's manager doing Feed, Feed by Frankenstein when Myers wanted him to do I'm 18 or School's Out. He said, no, no, we got this new song. I, I kinda wish he had done Schools Out, but I don't mind Feed by Frankenstein, it's so weird. Best that guy word. There's, there's some really good ones. There's a winner.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  I'm so excited. What do you got?

• 1:11:42Bill Simmons?

  There's a winner, but I just wanted to give a shout out to Brian Doyle Murray. Who's Brian Doyle Murray, but he's also that guy.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:11:48Bill Simmons?

  Kurt Fuller, who's Rob Lowe's sidekick, who was the bad guy in No Holds Barred. He basically played the Fitzpatrick character. And he's just a Hall of Fame that guy. I actually know his name, so I don't know if he counts as a that guy.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Here's the thing. People ask me all the time, like, oh, how do you choose what movies you're gonna do? I know at some point, sometimes it happens like this. I'm gonna get a text from Bill and it's just gonna say, the text is gonna say, "It's time." And there's gonna be a picture of the No Holds Barred poster, and I'm gonna be so fucking ready, cuz I know, I know him from No Holds Barred as well.

• 1:12:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  As the manager. He's Russell here, but Kurt Fuller, I know his name as well. Rip 'em.

• 1:12:24Bill Simmons?

  So there's a legitimate that guy. He's the, the guy with the round face and the mustache who-

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  At the counter.

• 1:12:31Bill Simmons?

  Then was that Curb Your Enthusiasm as the Amco guy.

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:12:34Bill Simmons?

  And had that great episode with Larry and Amco. I don't even know what that guy's name is. Normally he would win.

• 1:12:39Speaker 04

  His name is Mike Hagerty. Mike, I got him. Mike Hagerty.

• 1:12:42Bill Simmons?

  Okay. But the obvious winner is Beecher from Oz. As, as one of Wayne's entourage, the guy who kept saying, "I love you, man." And eventually, six, seven years later, he was on Oz saying, "I love you, man," to, uh, to the guy that they ended up at Schillinger, and ended up in some of the most psychotic scenes in the history of HBO. And it's so funny to see Beecher in this movie. I think his name's Glenn Turgason. I can't remember his name, but he's, I just see him. It's Beecher.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  He's also, uh, Rosie, the, the muscle for Bodie and Point Break, who will gut you like a pig and try to-

• 1:13:14Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. Good call.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  Bill, this is a, this is a turgid that guy category, cuz I also wanna shout out Officer Koharsky, who's Frederick Coffin, who's our guy, O'Malley in Hard to Kill, but the, the-

• 1:13:27Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a great one.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  O'Malley. This is an even better one. Alright, so, you know the guy who, um, is like, "Your name is pronounced Algar, right?" Party on, wait. He is the guy in Boogie Nights when Buck tries to get the loan, and he's like, "Sir, you're a pornographer."

• 1:13:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my god. You're right. Oh, he wins. He's, that's even better than Beecher.

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  Don Amendolia. That's the guy from Boogie Nights with Buck in the bank. I am an actor. That's him.

• 1:13:56Bill Simmons?

  Wow, that's even better than Beecher.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  It's good.

• 1:14:00Bill Simmons?

  I didn't even catch that one. Great one. Great job. Dion Waiters Award. I'll give you a final four of Ed O'Neill, the Wayne's World announcer.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:14:09Bill Simmons?

  Alice Cooper, or Chris Farley, unless you want to throw anyone else in there. Or Officer Karaharsky, we'll throw him in too.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  O'Neill is really good. His first line in the movie is, he looks at Camry, he just goes, "I never did a crazy thing in my life before that night." And then he just, I think it's O'Neill. That's a great final four, or final three. But O'Neill, who was also in the sketch, the Wayne's World sketch, as a driver's ed teacher from the guy's high school.

• 1:14:34Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  I'm gonna give it to him over, over even Farley and Cooper, and they're both great.

• 1:14:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's tough that Cooper doesn't win this, but I think it is Ed O'Neill.

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  He's great in this.

• 1:14:44Bill Simmons?

  Recasting Couch Director City. So, can we have some fun with Noah's arcades? Noah Arcade, his wife? Who, it's like, yeah. Could we, could we, we're going a little meadow with this movie in general. Could that have been Heather Thomas? I'm just gonna, gonna spitball you. Could that have been Jaclyn Smith? Could that have been Suzanne Somers?

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:15:09Bill Simmons?

  Like, could we have taken somebody from, could that have been Erin Gray? Could we have taken somebody that we're all in love with in the late 70s, early 80s, and just shoved them there as like, oh my god, her?

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  I'm thinking sitcom mom, like Judith Light. You know, like, that would, that would have really worked. I know Suzanne Somers is the best one. I know Myers, because in So I Married an Axe Murderer, there's a thigh master bit. And so, he would have been a fan of her. Somers would have been really good.

• 1:15:35Bill Simmons?

  Or, or like a Victoria Principal. I just feel like you grab somebody from that early 80s apex. Throw them in there, I'm having more fun. So my flex, did this movie have a porn parody?

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:15:48Bill Simmons?

  Turns out it did. It was called Zane's World.

• 1:15:53Bill Simmons?

  And you can watch all of the, the, the actual plot with no sex on YouTube. It's got 14 minutes of all the sex cut out, but the actual thing. And you're gonna think you're gonna wanna watch 30 seconds of it, but I'm telling you, you're gonna keep going. It is, uh, it's, it's, uh, Biff Malibu plays Zane and Tom Byron. The, the, the great veteran, he's Garth with a wig on. They're doing the doo doo doo, doo doo doo, doo doo doo. Madison and Trixie Tyler in it.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  Oh, great.

• 1:16:26Bill Simmons?

  But, uh, this is one of the funnier YouTube clips that you think you're only gonna watch for 10 seconds and you can't stop watching. They have the van, they do the whole thing and, and yet Wayne is Zane and, and, uh, sex ensues, not comedy.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  Well, I gotta think that it's just sitting right there, they, the swing, right? And they must say swing all the time, right? Because that means you have a direction.

• 1:16:45Bill Simmons?

  I don't wanna step on the clip, cuz I really think you're gonna enjoy it.

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  Who plays Russell, Peter North? I, I need to know the full cast.

• 1:16:52Bill Simmons?

  I don't wanna spoil it. It's on YouTube. I actually did not know that this was a whole YouTube genre, which was people taking eighties and nineties porn movies and cutting out all the sex and just having the plot as like a 14 minute YouTube clip.

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  That's a thing.

• 1:17:06Bill Simmons?

  I support it. I think it's a great idea. Kudos to whoever came up with that.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  And are they just like, they're having sex and it's party time, excellent, woo.

• 1:17:16Bill Simmons?

  We didn't see the sex, like somebody starts unbuttoning a button and it's, it's just to the next scene.

• 1:17:21Speaker 04

  I'll be honest, Bill, can I get the one with the sex? I'd like to check that one out.

• 1:17:25Bill Simmons?

  The original Zane's World on DVD?

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, the director's cut.

• 1:17:29Bill Simmons?

  Half ass internet research. Uh, we talked about No Stairway to Heaven. We talked about, uh, Myers being a dick. Sphera's had some quotes about him, the director. Emotionally needy and got more difficult as the shoot went along. That was one. You should've heard him bitching when I was trying to do that Bohemian Rhapsody scene. I can't move my neck like that. Why do we have to do this so many times? No one's gonna laugh at this. Um, she said on one occasion, he stormed off the set because there was no margarine for his bagel.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  Gotta do it.

• 1:17:57Bill Simmons?

  And in one of the features about Myers, his PR person said that, uh, there was no truth that he was hyperglycemic and kinda poo-pooed the story. And then, uh, they argued about the final cut and Myers did not let her do Wayne's World two.

• 1:18:13Bill Simmons?

  So there's that. So the Pacer, AKA the Mirth Mobile.

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Bill Simmons?

  Was a 1976 Pacer.

• 1:18:21Bill Simmons?

  The original car was sold and appeared in a 2015 episode of Pawn Stars. Was restored to running condition with the original movie props in the car. A stair system added, sold in 2016 for $37,400. That's low.

• 1:18:37Speaker 04

  Bill, where do you have this in your all time Pacers? Is it more Reggie Miller or like Austin Crozier?

• 1:18:42Bill Simmons?

  I, we're gonna cover that during Apex Mountain.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 1:18:46Bill Simmons?

  So when Wayne speaks Cantonese to Tia.

• 1:18:50Speaker 04

  Nai ho long ah, yeah.

• 1:18:52Bill Simmons?

  He's just, it, it sounds like he's learned it, but he's just saying gibberish. And she was like trying not to laugh because he was completely unintelligible.

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  Is it, is that actually sound, because he goes, uh, ni fa bin du ah, like that's just nonsense, right?

• 1:19:05Bill Simmons?

  No, complete nonsense.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:19:06Bill Simmons?

  The scene when they're talking on the hood of the car with the Bugs Bunny dress was the last scene filmed.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  Oh, I like knowing that.

• 1:19:14Bill Simmons?

  Fender made a special run of Wayne's World's signature Stratocaster guitars. Right after this movie and then, uh, Stan Makita's Donuts was a fictional donut shop. The scenes were shot at a Tim Hortons, which is a real.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure, Canadian.

• 1:19:31Bill Simmons?

  Donut shop, but I, I always thought for years that Stan Makita's was a real place. I was a little, I was honestly disappointed.

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'd never heard of it.

• 1:19:38Bill Simmons?

  Felt let down. Apex Mountain, Myers, no, it's Austin Powers.

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:19:43Bill Simmons?

  Carvey, you can make the case, he's still on SNL at this point. This movie's big and you're buying all kinds of Dana Carvey stock in 1992.

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  Dana Carvey was so big at this point that he did a set with U2 as Garth, where he was onstage with them at the VMAs drumming. And U2 was probably the biggest band, it was like Akun Baby era.

• 1:20:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  Like he was, he was global at that point. So it's Dana Carvey's apex, the first movie, yes.

• 1:20:08Bill Simmons?

  Lord Michaels is an interesting one. Cause at that point, you could say it's somewhere in the seventies when the show peaked in seventy eight, seventy nine, but I, I, I actually think it's probably in the early nineties when he resuscitated the show and built it back up into a franchise. And now he's dipping into movies and it really felt like he was becoming a mogul in a completely different way. So I'm going to say yes.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  It's not only his first hugely successful movie. It's really his last one too.

• 1:20:36Bill Simmons?

  Right. It felt like there was twenty more coming.

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:40Bill Simmons?

  From a talent standpoint, they're just cherry picking all of the funniest people like he's, he's throwing ninety nine miles in there. I'm gonna say yes. Aurora, Illinois, not a real place?

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  Real place.

• 1:20:51Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  Real place.

• 1:20:52Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain then?

• 1:20:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely. And when you think, when you, when you, like, I'm from Chicago, you meet someone from Aurora, you're like, alright, party time. Excellent. Yeah.

• 1:20:59Bill Simmons?

  Oh, they must, they must love that.

• 1:21:00Speaker 04

  They love it. They're really big fans.

• 1:21:03Bill Simmons?

  It's like, I saw the McCordys.

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:06Bill Simmons?

  At, uh, on Friday night.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:09Bill Simmons?

  We're taping this after the Super Bowl and, um, and Sal went up to them and was like, are you guys twins? Like he, it's, it's such a joke. It's, it's such a, he did the parody of the parody. Like it's almost like, it's like three steps beyond the joke that they always hear, which they actually thought it was pretty funny.

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  Yes, they're great guys.

• 1:21:30Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say yes for Tia.

• 1:21:33Speaker 04

  Bigger, so she's a very important part of the James Cameron movie. It's a massively successful James Cameron movie. She's doing the samba with Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, not playing. I, I think it's, I think it's True Lies. True Lies was big and she had a-

• 1:21:46Bill Simmons?

  It's tough because Craig makes the key part. She's disposable in that movie. It could have been ten different people in this movie. She's not disposable, but I think you're right because that was one of the four biggest movies. Yeah, it's probably True Lies.

• 1:21:57Speaker 04

  Big deal in that movie.

• 1:21:58Bill Simmons?

  Stan Makita, probably not. There's probably something that happened in the sixties with them. Great Poopon commercial parodies? I'm gonna say yes.

• 1:22:05Speaker 04

  People, they, they were ubiquitous. You could not turn on the TV without seeing some party in a Rolls Royce asking for mustard. It was just the thing they did. It's, I promise.

• 1:22:13Bill Simmons?

  All right, work with me on this one.

• 1:22:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:15Bill Simmons?

  Prostate exam jokes where the guy puts on the glove and somebody's about to be violated? It's still Fletch, right?

• 1:22:23Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 1:22:23Bill Simmons?

  It's not this.

• 1:22:24Speaker 04

  River.

• 1:22:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's gotta be Fletch. Okay.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Definitely.

• 1:22:28Bill Simmons?

  Delaware?

• 1:22:30Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. Great instrumental in the American Revolution, one of the oldest states. But I think of them in front of the the blue screen. I'm sorry, guys. Maybe Joe Flacco, though. He was Super Bowl MVP. And he went to Delaware.

• 1:22:42Bill Simmons?

  Elena Deladon?

• 1:22:46Speaker 04

  Big star, big star.

• 1:22:47Bill Simmons?

  They did have our our last president. I probably not. He's probably not Apex.

• 1:22:52Speaker 04

  Joe Biden was a nine times Senator and he was the President of the United States.

• 1:22:56Bill Simmons?

  I'm not giving him Apex.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  Wayne. I think it's Joe Flacco winning the Super Bowl MVP.

• 1:23:01Bill Simmons?

  I think you're right. I like.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:03Bill Simmons?

  Shitty Beatles, definitely Apex Mountain. Um, Alice Cooper, no. Rob Lowe, no.

• 1:23:11Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what his Apex Mountain was.

• 1:23:14Speaker 04

  I think it was.

• 1:23:14Bill Simmons?

  Really fun career. For me, it's about last night.

• 1:23:19Bill Simmons?

  It's the St. Elmo's fire into about last night. It might be the apex for me, too. For me personally, it might be my apex.

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  Do you know, Bill, when I was in summer 2000, I interned at an agency and the agent I worked under was Rob Lowe's agent. I used to get to listen to his phone calls. Rob Lowe would call in and you know what he was calling about? He was begging his agent that he wanted to be in the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie because he loved Planet of the Apes. And he was begging, he'll say, I'll do any part. And the response was you can't be in it because you have blue eyes and they're only casting actors with brown eyes.

• 1:23:51Bill Simmons?

  Oh, man.

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  Allowed to be in it. And my agent was like, that's the only time in your life that's going to work against you, those blue eyes. Not crazy. He wanted in though.

• 1:23:57Bill Simmons?

  Rob Lowe, one of the greats. Great podcast guest, too.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  I bet.

• 1:24:02Bill Simmons?

  Cruise or Hanks? This feels Hanks to me.

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  I think I have Cruise as Benjamin in like kind of a pre Jerry Maguire sort of agent role.

• 1:24:14Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  I think if you're going to cast as one of the big two, I think it's Hanks as as Wayne.

• 1:24:21Bill Simmons?

  I think so too.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:23Bill Simmons?

  Scorsese or Spielberg? Probably Spielberg. This doesn't feel like a Scorsese movie.

• 1:24:27Speaker 04

  I think for Scorsese that Cassandra would have to turn into like Ginger from Casino. You know, like trying to just be some sort of crazy off the hook. Also, Bill, I had one Apex three. I want to bounce off you.

• 1:24:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:40Speaker 04

  Rock bands in movies, like fake rock bands, like Crucial Taunt. Who we both agree they can weigh. Let me give you some. I like I have some. All right. So you have Spinal Tap. You have Wild Stallions from Bill and Ted. Don't really get to see them play. The School of Rock Kids, Steel Dragon with Mark Wahlberg, The Pinheads with Marty McFly, and then our guys Stillwater from Almost Famous.

• 1:25:05Bill Simmons?

  And I was throwing Citizen Dick from Singles.

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:25:08Bill Simmons?

  Although I don't know if we actually saw them play. I think they just pretended to be a band.

• 1:25:11Speaker 04

  We saw Soundgarden play. They're a real band.

• 1:25:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:14Speaker 04

  Citizen Dick, though, I it's.

• 1:25:16Bill Simmons?

  I think it's Stillwater. Stillwater was. I mean, they played. They played what? Three songs in front of a crowd of like 20,000 people and the songs were all actually good. I think I downloaded a couple on my Spotify, whatever.

• 1:25:28Speaker 04

  Fever Dog. And Jason Lee really does the singing like Cassandra does. I think I have Stillwater as well in that movie.

• 1:25:34Bill Simmons?

  I thought what they pulled off with that band where Jason Lee, like his skinny beard, kind of his, his weird body posture was so 70s. And then brought up like the guitar. Yeah, I'm gonna go with that. Good cat. Good idea, though. Jennifer, Jennifer Roulette. Aiston Coolidge, Connolly, Garner, Lawrence Lopez, or Ortega in the T S spot. Who do you got?

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  I got Lopez. And I have Lopez. This is, she is early, early 90s. She's doing, she's doing the in living color. She's a dancer. Selena's gonna hit a few years later.

• 1:26:09Bill Simmons?

  Take her from any part of her career, though. You can, you could totally have Money Train Lopez for this.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  No, I'm not gonna even go Money Train. I'm gonna go pre Selena, very young Jennifer Lopez. I have a feeling with who you're gonna go with. I'm gonna, I'm gonna write it down, but I think it's J Lo in the role of Cassandra.

• 1:26:25Bill Simmons?

  I also had Lopez.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought you were gonna say Connolly for sure.

• 1:26:29Bill Simmons?

  No, I had Lopez because otherwise, as you said, this, this becomes the whitest movie anyone's ever made. So we really.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  We need her.

• 1:26:38Bill Simmons?

  Really needed Lopez. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

• 1:26:45Bill Simmons?

  You could talk me into Glenn the manager. You could also talk me into one of Wayne's entourage people. As the Rob Lowe, I don't think it works, but maybe Rob Lowe's sidekick. I don't know. What do you have?

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  I got Philip Seymour Hoffman as Garth. I think he'd be incredible.

• 1:27:00Bill Simmons?

  You're going all in, okay.

• 1:27:01Speaker 04

  I think all in, one of the co-leads, and he's just like, Wayne, Wayne, can I kiss you on the mouth? Wayne, you look at me sometimes. Do you like the Merc Mobile?

• 1:27:10Bill Simmons?

  Garth just got it, Jay.

• 1:27:13Speaker 04

  I got it.

• 1:27:14Bill Simmons?

  He's wearing an undersized t-shirt.

• 1:27:16Speaker 04

  Yes, I think it's Scotty J as Garth. That's my call.

• 1:27:21Bill Simmons?

  All right, we have a flex category from Craig.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  What do you got, Craig?

• 1:27:25Bill Simmons?

  What do you got, Craig?

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  All right, in the spirit of this movie, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with something kind of stupid and silly that Wayne and Garth would respect, and it's the Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food or Drink. I love Garth in the background of a scene drinking a jelly donut out of a straw.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 1:27:43Speaker 03

  I thought that was very innovative. I've never seen that before. I thought it was a great sound effect. I would have loved that when I was 14, and I loved it now.

• 1:27:50Speaker 04

  That's a great call.

• 1:27:51Bill Simmons?

  Great call, Craig.

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  Thank you, Craig.

• 1:27:54Bill Simmons?

  Picky nits. So, this is probably my biggest one.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:28:00Bill Simmons?

  There's that scene with Rob Lowe and Garth when Garth's just working on a severed hand for some reason. What the fuck is happening in that scene?

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:08Bill Simmons?

  Is there any explanation for it? It's not funny. I don't, what, what's going on?

• 1:28:14Speaker 04

  I think that they're trying to character develop Garth a little bit. They, they have this running thing where Garth is a mad scientist, right? The electric thing, this thing, and at the end, he reprograms the satellites. I think they have that in there. It's a really weird scene. And it starts with, Rob Lowe's great, and he goes, you know, Garth, you and I have never really talked. And you're like, oh shit, what's going on here? And you're just nervous the whole time. It's the strangest scene in the movie. You're all over it.

• 1:28:43Bill Simmons?

  Wouldn't Wayne and Cassandra have met before is my next nitpick. She's playing in Aurora.

• 1:28:50Speaker 04

  Pretty small pond.

• 1:28:50Bill Simmons?

  I feel like Crucial Taunt has probably played that club before. There's not like a million clubs or near extended Aurora area.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  It doesn't Wayne go there every week like always. That's a

• 1:29:00Bill Simmons?

  Never ran into her once.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  That's why this category is here. That's a great one.

• 1:29:05Bill Simmons?

  I have one more, but give me yours and then I have one big one.

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  This one didn't strike me until this viewing as an older man. These are some heavy metal guys, right? They're in their early twenties and they're going out with their friends. They're going in the car. They're blasting rock music. They're going to go see a band and they go and get coffee and donuts on a Friday night. What the fuck is that? They don't go to a bar. They don't get beers. They don't do shots. It doesn't make any sense that your pre-party to go out to see a rock concert would be to go have donuts at a donut shop with your friends as someone who's 20. It's ridiculous. I don't get it at all.

• 1:29:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's that feeds into mine. I just feel like all these guys would have been smoking a ton of pot. I just don't think there's any scenario where Garth is in stone 24 hours a day. And I always thought when I watched the SNL sketch before they made the movie, kind of the under the radar assumption was these guys were huge stoners, but they couldn't get stoned on NBC. So when they made the movie, it was just, oh, clearly Garth's gonna have this five foot bong and they're gonna do it. But no, nothing.

• 1:30:04Speaker 04

  I guess it's much more charming that they that it's inferred that they don't show it that like there's not a bong scene or there's enough stoner movies. This is not what they're going for. But they don't even, even when he's at the bar and he meets Cassandra, Wayne doesn't have a drink. Cassandra orders a club soda. It's, I'm like, I found myself wondering, are they trying to go for some sort of PG rating or something? But it's PG 13. They can have booze in it. There's that's not really there.

• 1:30:28Bill Simmons?

  This is a weird Myers thing though. He was very averse to like sex, drugs, anything. That's why when he was in the Studio 54 movie, it was so crazy to see him as the owner, just being like, I wanna suck your cock.

• 1:30:42Bill Simmons?

  One of the craziest lines of the nineties.

• 1:30:47Bill Simmons?

  I don't have any more nitpicks unless you do.

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  They just, you, you, you would never fire the host of a show after one segment in the middle of a live show. It doesn't make any sense at all.

• 1:30:55Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:30:55Speaker 04

  They, they didn't rehearse it once. They had no idea what they were doing. And in the middle of the, in the commercial break, they fire the host and he walks out. It's, that's nonsense, but

• 1:31:02Bill Simmons?

  That wouldn't even happen on the NFL Network. They would, they would finish the show.

• 1:31:06Speaker 04

  We'll test that tomorrow, maybe.

• 1:31:09Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. They obviously did a sequel. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Berning Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, I'll throw in Gus Johnson, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm? What do you have?

• 1:31:30Speaker 04

  I think that Wayne and his crew are so rock and roll and so motley that they need someone who zags. And I think Daniel Plainview should be part of their crew.

• 1:31:37Bill Simmons?

  Oh, let's hear it.

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  And it's him and HW and they do craft services and they just put out steak and whiskey and goat's milk. And at one point Garth goes to him and says, Mr. Plainview, when you're with a girl who just makes you want to hurl every time you see her, what do you do? And he says, I say hurl. If you blow chunks and she comes back, she's yours. But if you spew and she bolts, it was never meant to be. That's Plainview as part of the crew. I tell HW.

• 1:32:04Bill Simmons?

  Plainview is really winning 2025.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  I know. I heard SCR did it in the last pod.

• 1:32:09Bill Simmons?

  Everybody wants to test drive Plainview.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  I've abandoned Crucial Taunt. I've abandoned my girl. I love him. He's the man.

• 1:32:22Bill Simmons?

  Just want to ask her, who gets it? Would you go Carvey for best supporting? What would you do?

• 1:32:27Speaker 04

  The writers, it's just so dense. Every line is awesome. Myers and the two writers.

• 1:32:33Bill Simmons?

  Probably an answerable questions.

• 1:32:36Bill Simmons?

  Was Garth playing with a full deck?

• 1:32:38Speaker 04

  Good question.

• 1:32:39Bill Simmons?

  Was he on the, like, would you say he was on medication? How would he be treated in 2024? Would he be diagnosed with specific things? What was going on there? Was he in a special class in high school? Like, was, did he, did he graduate? Was he like a Rain Man type of like savant? What, what's going on with Garth?

• 1:33:03Speaker 04

  Every time he gets a little nervous, Wayne goes, Garth, your pills, your pills. You know, he even says, take your Ritalin, like it's, it's not subtle. So they were a little ahead of the curve on that one. I, I think he's got all kinds of stuff like that. But I also think that he is, if you sat him down to take some sort of calculus test, that he would ace it.

• 1:33:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:22Bill Simmons?

  And then we, you mentioned this earlier and it's gotta be discussed. How old were these guys? Cause I think, so I'll give you a range.

• 1:33:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:33:30Bill Simmons?

  You could tell me they're 19 and the actors are just playing, they're going to Ian's Earring and just playing like 35 year olds as, as 21 year olds. You could also tell me they're out of college. You could also tell me they're like 27 to 30, but Garth also seems like he's like 38.

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Bill Simmons?

  I don't know the range. What do you think?

• 1:33:51Speaker 04

  Well, it's interesting because in the sketch, they're, they're in high school. That's established. They bring in one of their high school teachers, but then in the movie, they're definitely not in high school. They're not in college. Wayne says, talks about his career as hair nuts and name tags. I think that they're, they can drink and they can get in clubs. I think they're 23 or 24, just kind of adults with like bad jobs and, but no school whatsoever. No.

• 1:34:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, cause they can get into clubs, but it's interesting. They're not drinking, which almost makes me wonder if they're like 19 or 20, but that, so they're probably supposed to be 23, 24, or we're not supposed to know the answer and maybe the answer doesn't exist.

• 1:34:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:34:26Bill Simmons?

  Any other unanswerables for you?

• 1:34:28Speaker 04

  No, we answered all mine. I'm good now.

• 1:34:30Bill Simmons?

  What piece of memorabilia would you want from, would you want or not want from this movie? The white guitar would be the obvious.

• 1:34:38Speaker 04

  Excalibur.

• 1:34:40Bill Simmons?

  Game used hat or movie used hat. The car would be my number one choice. Cars aren't allowed in this category, but what do you got?

• 1:34:48Speaker 04

  Uh, I want the suck cut. I want that machine. It sucks and it cuts. I want that thing and I have to take my kids for haircuts all the time. And the barber like either always messes it up or I don't describe it properly. And my wife gets mad when I bring home the kid with a bad haircut. So I'll just do it with the suck cut and we'll save all the money like that.

• 1:35:06Bill Simmons?

  All right. Suck cut. Coach Finstock or best life lesson, don't sell out. Best double feature choice. I could offer you Wayne's World 2 and just make it easy, or we could zag a little bit and go into that kind of Coneheads. Could do a different SNL sketch movie. We could do Opportunity Knox. What do you got?

• 1:35:24Speaker 04

  I'm dragging that gargantuan cranium around.

• 1:35:28Bill Simmons?

  Oh, you're doing Axe Murder.

• 1:35:30Speaker 04

  Nah, give me Axe Murder.

• 1:35:31Bill Simmons?

  Okay, good call.

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  Normal Myers, 94.

• 1:35:35Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie?

• 1:35:39Speaker 04

  I think, I mean, the funny answer is Queen and they recharted and even though they're from a song 15 years earlier, but I mean, it's, I think this is just Myers. He's awesome in it. I love him in it. He had sequels. He had many more movies to come. And it sounds like he won a lot of the wars about what he wanted in the movie, too.

• 1:35:58Bill Simmons?

  I think it's Myers, short term.

• 1:36:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:36:02Bill Simmons?

  I wonder if it's Carvey, long term, because this turned out to be like the funniest he's been in a movie and he's the funniest person in the movie and the person I enjoy the most. So it's almost like first 10 years Myers, but then over the years, you could make a better case for Queen or Carvey. I think the Queen case is sitting there, too.

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  That's interesting you say that. I was gonna ask you, are you Team Garth or Team Wayne? You gotta pick one.

• 1:36:25Bill Simmons?

  I'm Team Garth. I think Garth is like the height of comedy for me.

• 1:36:29Speaker 04

  He's great.

• 1:36:30Bill Simmons?

  It always made me, and it was right there in the era, that Beavis and Butthead era, too, where it's just like fuckups who are kind of funny, but knew they're fuckups just became this cottage industry. Yeah, Garth was really good at that. All right, it's time. I'm nervous. Producer Craig's take.

• 1:36:45Speaker 04

  Come on, Craig.

• 1:36:46Bill Simmons?

  Wayne's World. Had you seen it?

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  So I'm a huge SNL fan, as you can see by my hat.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:36:53Speaker 03

  I have seen the Wayne's World sketches plenty of times. I had never seen the movie. So I think that shows that I would probably more likely than not would like it. This movie's super ambitious. I'm pretty sure I didn't get 70% of the jokes in this movie. And yet, everyone in it is so likeable. I thought Mike Myers is incredible, so charming. And the style of humor, it's funny, man, the style of humor is like, it's, it's basically a foreign film now to young people. Like, those like, high level bits, the practical jokes that are secretly intellectual, um, the cultural references. I had a fantastic time. This movie was hilarious and it worked and it shouldn't have, but it completely did.

• 1:37:34Speaker 03

  And I actually think there's a world in which now, I think movies want to stay away from, from cultural references because they want it to last forever.

• 1:37:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:42Speaker 03

  But I almost think it makes them worse. And this movie is so stuck in the early nineties. It's so dated that I think it almost comes back around and like, works again.

• 1:37:52Bill Simmons?

  I'm so glad you think that, Craig.

• 1:37:54Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:37:54Bill Simmons?

  I'm really happy. I'm, I'm almost like, well, I'm welling up. Um, what was your favorite part?

• 1:38:00Speaker 03

  Um, my favorite jokes in the sketches and in this movie is the, is the over the top intellectual moments that don't make any sense with the Alex, Alice Cooper thing.

• 1:38:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:10Speaker 03

  There's a great one in, on SNL with Aerosmith where they're talking about like communism. And it's just, that, that is exactly my type of humor. I think it's hilarious. That's my favorite.

• 1:38:20Bill Simmons?

  The Twilight Zone, like, yeah, when they go, super, yeah.

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. Are we in late stage communism? Do you think it's going to come back? And like, the drummer from Aerosmith has a very nuanced response.

• 1:38:30Speaker 04

  Right. They don't, they don't really make like the SNL movies. Is there like a sketch or a bit that you love that you would have loved to see into a movie that they haven't or could?

• 1:38:38Speaker 03

  I don't know. I mean, most of them don't work. It's hard to turn a sketch into a film. I grew up with like, uh, Stefan and the Californians were probably the two biggest ones that you could have tried to make into a movie. It'd be, it'd be interesting to ask Lauren. Bill, when you interviewed Lauren, did you ask about SNL movies that never were, that almost were?

• 1:38:55Bill Simmons?

  I don't think we got there. The, I mean, the, the all time what if for this is the Sprockets movie, which they, you know, became this huge contentious legal battle because they paid Myers all this money to make it and he basically backed out of it. And the script was supposedly funny and then he decided he didn't like it. And I always thought the Sprockets movie, the ceiling of that was really high for me. Cause I, I thought that was some of the most inventive stuff they were doing on that show.

• 1:39:20Speaker 03

  There's also just nobody doing character work anymore that gets turned into a movie. The only person who's trying to revive it is Tim Robinson. Who was, who was briefly on SNL, but he's the only guy doing that weird character stuff. And he has a movie coming out with Paul Rudd that looks really funny.

• 1:39:33Bill Simmons?

  Well, so MacGruber, MacGruber counts and MacGruber didn't do well, but now I think has aged really nicely.

• 1:39:38Speaker 04

  I never even saw that movie.

• 1:39:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think it's, I think it's okay now. It was not okay for about four or five years. Other than that, I don't.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  That's the last one they've made too. That they haven't made one since.

• 1:39:49Bill Simmons?

  I, there's some weird ones over the years that I think could have worked. Like I think the Sweeney Sisters could have actually been a movie. I don't think they would have made it. I don't think it would have made money, but um, these, they were these singing lounge acts at act sixters that uh, I just felt like that could have potentially worked. You could have taken like any Will Ferrell thing and probably flipped it into something.

• 1:40:09Speaker 04

  Think about it. They did, they did Stuart Saves His Family with Al Franken. They did, they did a Pat movie.

• 1:40:15Bill Simmons?

  They did a Ladies Man movie. I didn't, I forgot they did Ladies Man.

• 1:40:18Speaker 04

  The Meadows. Yeah. They were doing a lot.

• 1:40:20Bill Simmons?

  They learned though. Some of these things were meant to be five, six minutes max and that's it.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  I have two more thoughts. One will make you mad. The other is agnostic. I'll start with the easy one first. It's funny that the life lesson of this movie is to never sell out. I think that's completely opposite now. I think the goal as a content creator, as an artist for young people is to sell out. The goal is like, how can I make art that's so good that I can sell Coca-Cola in an ad on TikTok and Instagram? It's just funny how it's completely the other way around where you've, you've made it. Once you can sell out, that's the goal. People are impressed when you sell out.

• 1:40:55Bill Simmons?

  You, people want to sell out, but they also really resent super rich people. It's, it's like that's for two. It's like a complete seesaw the other way.

• 1:41:02Speaker 03

  It's like, what can I do? I will, I will spawn con anything you give me if you pay me.

• 1:41:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:08Speaker 03

  And then the thing that's going to make you upset is, and I've, I've kind of always felt this way, but I think it's worse in the movie. I don't think Garth is that funny.

• 1:41:15Speaker 04

  Okay. Why?

• 1:41:16Bill Simmons?

  It's okay.

• 1:41:17Speaker 03

  I think he's.

• 1:41:17Bill Simmons?

  It's okay. I knew this might be coming.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  I think Myers is unbelievable and I think in short spurts, Garth works a lot better on, in the sketches. In the movie, and I think it's a little bit of why Carvey, I don't know. The, the roles he takes, first Garth is just a little too, I mean, he's like borderline, not all there. He's just too developmentally challenged.

• 1:41:36Bill Simmons?

  Uh huh.

• 1:41:37Speaker 03

  He needs to be 20% more, more competent.

• 1:41:39Bill Simmons?

  Kyle, I'm having trouble breathing.

• 1:41:40Speaker 03

  The bits are just.

• 1:41:41Bill Simmons?

  Can you call 911?

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  A little bit. I don't know.

• 1:41:45Speaker 04

  But Craig, they leave him to do the show and he says, I'm having a good time, not. And that's, that's, that kills.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  I don't know. I, I, it didn't, it never bothered me as much in the sketches, but in the movie, I, I think it hurts a little more.

• 1:41:58Speaker 04

  So go then, so go, so go, so go then. That's what I'm saying to you, Frank.

• 1:42:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 1:42:03Bill Simmons?

  Why are we happy here? Did you watch Blues Brothers or no?

• 1:42:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Bill Simmons?

  You weren't on the pod last week because you were in New Orleans.

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  No, uh, I mean, I like Wayne's World more than Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers is weird. It's like super bloated and a lot of the scenes are like really quiet and awkward. It's, it's one of those movies where I actually think it's funnier to talk about afterwards than to watch. Like in the moment, I was kind of like, okay, but then listening to you guys talk about it, I was like, oh, actually situationally, it's hysterical, but it didn't, it doesn't really hit you with laugh out loud moments for me for the first time.

• 1:42:38Bill Simmons?

  I think that's fair.

• 1:42:39Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:42:39Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's a movie that really belongs to that decade that was absolutely completely beloved. And I could get why that didn't. And I gotta say, I'm really surprised Wayne's World lived, lived up to 33 years of still being funny.

• 1:42:52Speaker 04

  Charming movie.

• 1:42:53Speaker 03

  I, I, yeah, all the cultural references and stuff, even if they, even if they don't last the test of time, I, I, the movie still really works. I wish.

• 1:43:00Speaker 04

  Craig, when you're, when you're watching, when they launched into the fucking Laverne and Shirley homage.

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  I didn't even know, I didn't even know that's.

• 1:43:06Speaker 04

  What is this song and what is this bottle with a glove on it? Like, are you totally in the dark, right?

• 1:43:11Speaker 03

  Yes, I was like, they're doing some sitcom parody. I don't know.

• 1:43:13Speaker 04

  Right. Okay. You liked it though, Connor.

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I respected it.

• 1:43:18Speaker 04

  That's great, great.

• 1:43:20Bill Simmons?

  Craig and I played craps on Friday night in New Orleans.

• 1:43:23Speaker 03

  I was hot.

• 1:43:24Bill Simmons?

  Had a great time.

• 1:43:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:25Bill Simmons?

  Craig was throwing the dice lefty from the right side. He was doing a little Scott Mitchell action.

• 1:43:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was borderline like submarine pitching almost.

• 1:43:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was good.

• 1:43:34Speaker 04

  I just like you guys went to a casino in a Super Bowl city, not, not, you didn't go to the Jelly Roll concert.

• 1:43:39Bill Simmons?

  Best casino in America. It's right in the middle of everything. There's no better casino.

• 1:43:43Speaker 04

  No, I was at Shaboozie.

• 1:43:46Speaker 03

  I'm addicted to craps now, so that's a problem.

• 1:43:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:43:49Bill Simmons?

  This podcast was produced by Craig Horlbeck, who's right there. Thanks to Jack and Gah as well. Thanks, Kyle Brandt. Anything you want to plug?

• 1:43:57Speaker 04

  No, I'm just trying to sell out in every way possible to be cool to, to the Craigs. Watch Good Morning Football, everybody, and you can catch me on the rewatchables on the Ringer Podcast Network.

• 1:44:07Bill Simmons?

  When are you gonna watch Jim Cott, do you think?

• 1:44:10Speaker 04

  I honestly dude, I'm flirting with Jim Carter right now. There's a courting period going through it and I'm about to have a couple of weeks off. I may sneak in Jim Carter.

• 1:44:19Bill Simmons?

  All right. There's a couple of others too that we that are on the list too. All right. Great to see you as always. Thanks Greg. Thanks Kyle. And don't forget every watchable is now available on video on Spotify. Check out the Ringer Movies YouTube channel as well. Thank you guys.

• 1:44:33Speaker 04

  See ya.