‘The Sure Thing’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Bill and Chris honor Rob Reiner by revisiting one of their favorite ’80s movies, ‘The Sure Thing,’ starring John Cusack and Daphne Zuniga and directed by Rob Reiner. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Bill Simmons?

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• 0:43Bill Simmons?

  This special edition of the rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find The Watch with Chris Ryan.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:50Bill Simmons?

  I have something disturbing to tell you. I watched The Watch in bed last night.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  The top 10 shows?

• 0:56Bill Simmons?

  I did.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I was worried you were gonna watch.

• 0:58Bill Simmons?

  I was lying in bed, my wife was playing Block Blast, just enjoying the chemistry of you and Andy Greenwald. I'll tell you, a lot of, a lot of foreplay before you got to the actual top 10.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Well, it's the end of the year. We like to tease people out.

• 1:11Bill Simmons?

  Lot of fluff at the top.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13Bill Simmons?

  I might have been on the side going, come on, guys, let's, let's get to the list.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  They put timestamps in these things for a reason.

• 1:19Bill Simmons?

  It's an honorable mention. Let's bring it up. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get to a show.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Could I give you some constructive feedback?

• 1:26Bill Simmons?

  Right, at some point, yeah, sure. I did enjoy the Kaya jokes. It was good that you brought her in, but great chemistry. Glad to see you guys still cranking it all these years later.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  We all, we owe it all to you for giving us a big shot.

• 1:37Bill Simmons?

  Craig Corlbeck ended the fantasy football season.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm knocked out of the Ringer League, kinda devastated. Chris Ryan's still alive.

• 1:43Bill Simmons?

  You're in the toilet bowl playoffs, though.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, me and Sean. You guys have a lot of complaints about this league. I thought we've handled it well. I think the league worked out great.

• 1:49Bill Simmons?

  I think the league was great, and I don't know who to root for between Craig and Sean. So Craig, if you lose, what do you?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Mine's easy. No caffeine for a week. If Sean loses, he has to wear a headband on an episode of The Big Picture and not address it. And with a director interview, right? We wanted to be with the director. That was not stipulated. I really wanted him to have to wear like a headband while he's talking to Park Chan Wook.

• 2:09Bill Simmons?

  Close out.

• 2:12Bill Simmons?

  All right. Well, we don't normally do two rewatchables in a week, but we wanted to do a very special one this week. So we're gonna do the sure thing and it's next. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by State Farm. Whether you're debating watching that award winning sports drama or rewatching your comfort buddy comedy movie for the 10th time. Choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, a State Farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Go online at statefarm.com or use the award winning app to get help from one of their local agents like a good neighbor. State Farm is there.

• 2:59Bill Simmons?

  All right. I wish these were under better circumstances here.

• 3:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:02Bill Simmons?

  The sure thing, a movie we've been waiting to do for a long, long time. That has not been available on streaming, but it was available on YouTube.

• 3:11Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 3:11Bill Simmons?

  And we didn't want to tell people that it was available on YouTube because I was worried it was gonna get pulled down and we needed time to both watch it.

• 3:17Chris Ryan?

  Is this the second time we've done a movie that is actually not on streaming or on VOD?

• 3:21Bill Simmons?

  I think it might be the third. What was the one we just did?

• 3:23Chris Ryan?

  Pump up the volume this and was there a third one?

• 3:25Bill Simmons?

  Well, maybe this will bring it back.

• 3:26Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:27Bill Simmons?

  I guess, although rewatching it, the soundtrack's pretty, uh.

• 3:30Chris Ryan?

  That's why I was wondering why it's, if that's one of the reasons why it's not on streaming.

• 3:34Bill Simmons?

  But Rob Reiner, this was the second movie he directed. And was tragically murdered on Sunday by his son, it looks like allegedly, but it seems like it was his son. But one of the worst Hollywood stories in a while. He was a beloved guy. You talked about him in your pod. I talked about him on top of my pod on Sunday. And we had done six rewatchables movies with him. We had not done this one, but we wanted to do a Reiner movie. So we, uh, we threw this together.

• 3:58Bill Simmons?

  I talked, the, the thing I said about him on Sunday was that he had these three different careers that were all pretty cool. In their own ways, right? He's like this supporting actor on probably the second most famous 70s sitcom we had other than Mash.

• 4:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:13Bill Simmons?

  He's the son of Carl Reiner. And even that, and he could have just been an actor for 50 years. That would have been a cool career and everybody liked him. Then he becomes this director and has put together one of the best 15 year runs any director's ever had. Then he also on the side has this whole Castle Rock thing with this company that he creates. Independent, outside the studio infrastructure. And he starts, you know, basically supporting voices that he cares about and taking bets on young talent because he knows young talent, which is the same thing he had in his movies. That ends up funding Seinfeld, which is the most successful backing, I think, in the history of anything. And was a beloved guy out here in Hollywood. So we felt like of all the directors, this is the seventh one, I think, which puts him in third place.

• 4:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:56Bill Simmons?

  There's only a couple of directors where we're like, emergency pod, we gotta do one. This is one of them.

• 4:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, this is five, and he has five or six in a row.

• 5:03Chris Ryan?

  It's to start off his career that are locks for any, any like, I would re-watchable any of those.

• 5:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 5:10Chris Ryan?

  With you. I, I was, I thought it was really helpful to try to organize my thoughts about Reiner through the lens of this movie, which is, it's nice because like, if you're trying to summarize a guy's entire contribution to entertainment and to like, American cultural life, it's hard, but if you can just look at something as simple as a screwball comedy like this, you can really see a lot of his specific skills and talents and gifts come through.

• 5:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, one of those gifts, which he, you know, he also applied with Seinfeld and some of the movies and TV shows they did, which is great eye for talent, great eye for somebody's moment in their career. Just seeing something either potential that hadn't been realized or knowing the impact that they already had, which A Few Good Men's a good example of that, right? He catches crews. At his apex.

• 5:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:58Bill Simmons?

  He figures out that this is the perfect Nicholson part, convinces him to do that, and then populates that movie with all of these really good younger actors or actors on the rise, like Kevin Bacon, or semi-established.

• 6:09Chris Ryan?

  And you see all the clips that have been running, like, since his passing, since his death on Sunday, of people having these remembrances. And it's like Kevin Bacon in tears, talking about how like he needed a job. And like Reiner came through and got, like, you know, Noah Wiley just being like, I'm on that shoot for like a week or two.

• 6:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 6:29Chris Ryan?

  And he basically makes me feel like I'm the most important person on that set. So it's just, everybody seems to have this incredible, like, connection to him.

• 6:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Spinal Tap. I mean, one of the things, when you write down all the movies that he did, and they're like best blank. Spinal Tap, which is the best music comedy ever made. And he taps in with these three guys who, you know, had, were known in comedy circles. But Christopher Guest wasn't really Christopher Guest yet. Shears in that, McKean. He was known from Laverne and Shirley, basically. But he gets in with those guys early, and it ends up being what it is. Princess Bride, he's in with Goldman at this point.

• 7:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Bill Simmons?

  He identifies Robin Wright. All the people he cast in that, that ends up being in the running for best non-animated fairy tale movie probably ever.

• 7:17Chris Ryan?

  Oh, sure.

• 7:17Bill Simmons?

  It's one of the first ones. It might be the best. I don't, who's it competing against?

• 7:21Chris Ryan?

  It's also one of the most, like, beloved movies across generations.

• 7:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 7:25Chris Ryan?

  How many movies are loved equally by seven-year-olds and 70-year-olds?

• 7:29Bill Simmons?

  And how many movies, it doesn't even matter when it came out.

• 7:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Bill Simmons?

  It's like that movie, I mean, Craig, when did you see that movie? As a kid, I've seen it a ton of times. Yeah, it's just, it was one of those, there's certain movies that it just, it kind of came out in the 80s. You don't even remember when, and it just keeps going. American President, we did that on the rewatchables, too. In the running for best president movie.

• 7:48Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:49Bill Simmons?

  It's, for me, it's that and Dave in the finals, and I'd really have to, uh, have to target that. But that one, he captures, gets Douglas right at the tail end of his apex. Puts Annette Bening in there, whole thing. Few Good Men, best courtroom movie. Probably the best modern court movie, courtroom movie. There's some older ones that would have a case, but we've done that one twice. Misery, might be the best Stephen King movie.

• 8:15Chris Ryan?

  It might be. It's up there with Shawshank.

• 8:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, also might be the best scary actress movie.

• 8:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:21Bill Simmons?

  Uh, does that with Goldman. Stand By Me.

• 8:26Bill Simmons?

  Probably the best preteen best friends movie.

• 8:27Chris Ryan?

  Another King adaptation, yeah.

• 8:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:30Chris Ryan?

  One of the best coming of age movies ever made.

• 8:32Bill Simmons?

  Ever. When Harry Met Sally, not only in the running for best rom com ever, but basically created the rom com, the modern version of it in 1989. It's from that moment on, every movie is chasing. Let's, let's try to pull this off like When Harry Met Sally. In that one, he identifies as Billy Crystal, Meg Ryan, not only the relationship, but both of them. Nobody thought Billy Crystal was going to be in a movie like that.

• 8:58Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 8:59Bill Simmons?

  Nobody thought Meg Ryan could play that character, basically a Diane Keen thing. So he nails both of those. Stand by Me, he nails The River Phoenix, the way he cast that movie. You go on through and it's just, he's had an eye. And Sure Thing is maybe the ultimate example of that because he's in on this Q Sac 17. The whole story of this where they have to, he has to file for emancipation.

• 9:21Chris Ryan?

  And Roger Burgvum has to like adopt him.

• 9:23Bill Simmons?

  Producer has to legally adopt him and he's like, I need this kid in the movie and Q Sac's still going.

• 9:28Chris Ryan?

  Let's talk a little bit, if like you can, about like what, what are some of the things across those movies that jump out? Because the thing that hit me watching Sure Thing again is that he's able to take funny scenarios and make them feel very serious or very serious scenarios and see the humor in them. And that happens, both of those things happen in the Sure Thing, right? Like he's able to put these kids in such dire straits on this road trip and see the hilarity in it, but also their desperation. And it's like the same thing for Stand by Me. There's absolutely heartbreaking moments in Stand by Me and then he'll follow it up with a joke to, to kind of even the scales of the dramatic experience or the film going experience.

• 10:08Chris Ryan?

  And that's why I think we go back to these movies so many times is because he was able to see the totality of like a human experience.

• 10:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:16Chris Ryan?

  In any given scene and in any given story. And it's like, even something that could have just been a super horny, forgettable eighties comedy that like you and I would be like, oh, you know what's really good is that? This is actually like a lost classic in a lot of ways.

• 10:30Bill Simmons?

  No question. I think a couple of things. He was really good at pulling out exactly what you should like about somebody.

• 10:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:38Bill Simmons?

  You know, like Billy Crystal, that's the best he's ever been in a movie in When Harry Met Sally. But Robin Wright is like just perfect in Princess Bride. In this movie, like it's the most I've ever liked Cusack in a movie. And to me, like Cusack in this movie, I had season tickets for the next 12 years just because of this movie.

• 10:55Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:56Bill Simmons?

  I loved him in this movie.

• 10:57Chris Ryan?

  Doing this and High Fidelity in such close succession makes me realize I think I've underrated the role that John Cusack played in like my imagination over my entire life. Like when you think about this, One Crazy Summer, Better Off Dead.

• 11:12Bill Simmons?

  Say Anything.

• 11:13Chris Ryan?

  Say Anything. And then on and on.

• 11:14Bill Simmons?

  Eight Men Out.

• 11:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, all the way up through High Fidelity. I'm like, yeah, from like 10 to 30, this guy was basically like a sort of North Star in my life. Yeah.

• 11:24Bill Simmons?

  And Misery is another one where Kathy Bates, who we didn't really have a history with, and she just absolutely crushes it and is awesome. But that's weirdly a relationship movie. It's her relationship with this writer that she really, really loves and she becomes obsessed with. But it's a lot of scenes where it's just the two of them. You could take a lot of the movies that he's made and they could probably be a play.

• 11:44Chris Ryan?

  How many times could you simulate the casting and filming and entire thing of Stand By Me and not get River Phoenix, Will Wheaton, Jerry O'Connell, Corey Feldman in that exact points in their lives and like, you know, basically contrasting those performances against one other. It's like the perfect group of kid friends at that age.

• 12:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 12:05Chris Ryan?

  Like I think in a way that like transcends anything like Spielberg ever did in that way.

• 12:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I mean, he had so many lifelong friends and a lot of them poured out this week with just really being upset, obviously.

• 12:16Chris Ryan?

  Heartbreaking.

• 12:16Bill Simmons?

  Heartbroken about how it played out. But I think one of the things, and I know Goldman like loved him. If this was one of his favorite people ever worked with, they did a lot of stuff together. But that was the theme over and over again. Like once you, once you did something with him, you were like a friend for life. And Hollywood's not really that way. This guy was friends with every type of comedian and actor that we had and seemed like he kept their relationships and got the best out of them. But I think, when I think about the movies that he made, the relationships in the movie are why they work.

• 12:46Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:47Bill Simmons?

  And I think you have to have a director that understands like a set, how to put people together, how to mesh two characters that might make sense on screen and actually have a relationship and then foster that on the set and. I just don't think a lot of people can do it. And you know, ultimately, the rewatchability of his movies comes down to you just like hanging out with the characters.

• 13:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, he, there's a really good making of The Sure Thing that's on YouTube that you can watch along with this movie. And he talks about, he just reads a script, figures out who he is in the movie.

• 13:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:18Chris Ryan?

  And then starts thinking about things from that perspective of, okay, if I'm Gib in The Sure Thing, or if I'm Kathy even in A Few Good Men, like, how would I go about and how would I perceive these different situations? And he's just really, really good. I mean, he has a quote in that, in this making of, that he says, "The emotional differences create the obstacles. You don't create the obstacles ahead of time." And so he just finds these people who are just dissimilar enough to create tension, but you know, going into it, like, they're gonna figure it out by the end of the two hours. And there's something deeply satisfying about that.

• 13:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and he also is really good at long scenes.

• 13:57Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:58Bill Simmons?

  Which I think is a lost art, you know, when we do most rewatchable scene. But you think of some of the great scenes that his movies have had, like Stand By Me, the story about the fat kid throwing up.

• 14:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:08Bill Simmons?

  You know, and him, well, I forget the Will Wheaton's character's name, but him telling the story to his buddies.

• 14:15Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 14:16Bill Simmons?

  And just the way that plays out. It's like an eight-minute scene. Um, there's a couple in Sure Thing like that, too, where just these long, long pieces. And then he really would know how to nail a moment. Like, I like, not to step on rewatchable, but I just loved the ending of this movie so much with the professor reading the story.

• 14:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:32Bill Simmons?

  It's so fucking good. And I'm just, I'm so glad we're doing this because I think this is one of the best eighties movies. I really do. Like, I, like, I'm not, I'm not talking, I'm talking about like teen, the high school, college. I have a hottest take for that later, but it's a road trip movie. It's, it's a two opposites rom-com. It's a horny teenagers trying to get laid eighties movie. It's weirdly kind of a fun college movie. And it all happens in an hour thirty-one minutes or something?

• 15:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's essentially coming in the aftermath of, of Risky Business and definitely has some elements of Risky Business in it. But is a much more. Grounded, less, maybe less overly stylized and much more like kind of human, regular, everyday story. I mean, you could see this happening to yourself at any point up until the advent of the internet, pretty much.

• 15:25Bill Simmons?

  Let's do, we usually do Craig's take at the end. We're doing it early because he'd never seen this movie before. And I knew, out of anyone we'd ever done, I knew you would love it. And we have talked about doing this movie for years because I can't believe it's not streaming. I think it's not streaming because of the soundtrack, but what'd you think?

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Embarrassed to say I'd never even heard of this movie. And I absolutely loved it. This will immediately go on my like favorites of the year for the rewatchables.

• 15:49Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  I adored it. It's a 10 out of 10, 5 out of 5, whatever letterbox score you want to give it.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  You only need, well, first of all, you only need 90 minutes if you're doing it right. Like you can do it right in 90 minutes if, if you have it all, all pieced together. Cusack, I totally agree, the most likable he's ever been. I've never even really felt that connected to Cusack's characters. And I thought this was his best one. I can't believe he was like 16, 17 in this movie.

• 16:14Bill Simmons?

  17, yeah.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  When they filmed it. Chris and I were talking before that there is a little bit of like a before sunrise element to this movie where it's a lot of these long, slow moments between these two characters. And it's just one shot of them interacting and there's no cuts between them. And you just fully buy into their evolution and their connection by the end of the movie. I think it's incredibly funny and really well-written, really heartfelt, like across the board. It's just, I loved it.

• 16:40Chris Ryan?

  When you're a kid, when you're young, you watch this movie, whenever I saw it first on like VHS in the 80s or whatever, you just take Gib at face value and you're like, oh, this guy's really funny. And he's got like, does all these different voices and has like all this energy. And then when you watch it now, you're like, oh, he's, he doesn't know who he is.

• 17:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:01Chris Ryan?

  And so he's putting on all these airs and he's doing all these different characters, basically within the movie. And it's such a subtle thing to notice over the years. Craig, you mentioned Linklater, like the Linklater movies. Castle Rock was the production company on, on, on Before Sunrise and Before Sunset, right?

• 17:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And this feels like it could have been easily a Linklater movie.

• 17:20Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 17:22Bill Simmons?

  This, I found some list a couple of months ago that just like I had it from a notebook in college where I just wrote down my favorite movies of all time. This was like in 1991. And this was like number seven. It was. I love this movie. I watched it every time it was on.

• 17:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:38Bill Simmons?

  And for whatever reason, the last 15 years or so, it died. And I do think it's one of those movies that, like if Amazon got it or Netflix got it, it would immediately be like number one, number two, or number three in the trending for three weeks, because it's so much fucking fun to watch. It's, it's also crazy that for Cusack, he's probably not in it because he thought he was gonna be in The Breakfast Club.

• 18:02Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:02Bill Simmons?

  And he was cast as John Bender, and then they actually brought him to the, and I don't know what the timing was, whether it would have overlapped with this, but he shows up for Breakfast Club and they're like, oh, he's all wrong.

• 18:13Chris Ryan?

  They could do it Eric Stoltz style, yeah.

• 18:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so they brought in Judd Nelson. So he's at a point in his career where,

• 18:21Bill Simmons?

  first of all, Reiner wouldn't meet with him because he was too young for the party. He's supposed to be in college. He'd only been in like class. He was in 16 Canon. He's in the background. You could barely see him. And, uh, and they end up filming it from March, April, 1984. He's emancipated. And you watch this and you would have thought he would have been in like eight movies.

• 18:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:40Bill Simmons?

  It's basically the first time he's ever been in a movie. He's a fucking home run.

• 18:43Chris Ryan?

  Almost every shot of the movie, yeah.

• 18:44Bill Simmons?

  He's so good. He's doing different characters and just caring, everything. Um, I wrote down, I was trying to think of the most memorable young actor eighties movies performances.

• 18:57Bill Simmons?

  And I think it's this. I think it's Broderick and Ferris Bueller. And weirdly, I think it's Judd Nelson in Breakfast Club.

• 19:04Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 19:05Bill Simmons?

  And I think those are the three for when you watch a movie. First of all, they just kind of own the movie, but then when you saw it, when it happened, you're like, that guy's gonna go on and win nine Oscars. And Slater in Pump Up the Volume, which is later, is another one. Is there anyone, who am I missing?

• 19:20Chris Ryan?

  Sean Penn in Taps.

• 19:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 19:23Chris Ryan?

  Because when you watch that, you're like, holy shit.

• 19:25Bill Simmons?

  I was thinking more like comedies where it was like, wow, this guy's killing it in this. Yeah, there's some other ones like Timothy Hutton, like we could go through. Cruise and Risky Business, I guess, is a really good one. But definitely a moment where you're like, oh, this guy's gonna be in my life. Cruise and Risky Business is a good one. And then, uh, Daphne Zsnege, who's in this and Vision Quest same year, ends up in Spaceballs. Everybody liked her. And just another one of those things where not enough good parts probably got market corrected a couple of times.

• 19:53Chris Ryan?

  And to TV.

• 19:54Bill Simmons?

  And ends up on Melrose Place.

• 19:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:56Bill Simmons?

  It's Joe, the rebellious photographer. Who ends up getting involved with Jake.

• 20:00Chris Ryan?

  My favorite kind of photographer.

• 20:01Bill Simmons?

  And ends up in a little, little love triangle with Jake and Amanda in season two.

• 20:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:05Bill Simmons?

  And then eventually gets, uh, impregnated by somebody who tries to kill her at her high school reunion.

• 20:10Chris Ryan?

  What season does that happen on?

• 20:11Bill Simmons?

  That's probably season three and then, uh, her baby gets kidnapped by the dead guy's parents and, um, she had quite a run.

• 20:19Chris Ryan?

  Does she die in the, in the show?

• 20:21Bill Simmons?

  No, she escaped with the baby. After the, uh, after the in-laws tried to kidnap the baby, uh, she decided it was time to leave Melrose Place, but I always liked her and this part is a great part. It's, it's, oh, I know this person.

• 20:34Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 20:35Bill Simmons?

  Really uptight, kinda cool, pretty. You could tell there's some, a fun person in there somewhere, but she's like, this is gonna be my life. I knew these girls in college, as did you.

• 20:43Chris Ryan?

  Both Daphne Zsnege and Cusack talk about their similarities to the characters.

• 20:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Chris Ryan?

  And they're like, Reiner clearly just like, she was like, I am way more like Allison than I, I was way more like Allison than I was comfortable admitting. And Reiner obviously just like got to know these people and recognized who they were and were like, let's bring this part out of you. He worked a lot on the script. I think, uh, the movie has so many connections to classic Hollywood screwball comedies, like It Happened One Night.

• 21:10Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 21:10Chris Ryan?

  And that's one of the really, you know, like among the hundred awful things about what's happened here. One of the sad things is the amount of institutional knowledge that goes with Rob Reiner.

• 21:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Chris Ryan?

  You know, cause like obviously going back, not only through his television career, but his father's huge career in Hollywood. And this ability to kind of, um, make connections between the past and the present in your work and to show people like, you know, there's only so many stories, right? Like we're just telling them in different ways with different references and with different, you know, updated characters, but like opposites attract on the road. Make two of those a year.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  That's all you need.

• 21:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Like they're classics for a reason. You just have to modernize them.

• 21:51Chris Ryan?

  Why, it's not that hard. And he, he kinda sees like he's, you know, the fan of Preston Sturgis, fan of Frank Capra, wants to like, kind of make something like this. He gets, gets this gig before Spinal Tap even comes out.

• 22:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 22:03Chris Ryan?

  I mean, you think about how different this is to Spinal Tap. Those are his first two movies. That's amazing.

• 22:09Bill Simmons?

  I, as somebody who was a kid, as his career kinda arced up, he was Meathead. It was hard for him to believe that he was even gonna direct the movie.

• 22:18Chris Ryan?

  And did you think about him as Carl Reiner's son necessarily?

• 22:21Bill Simmons?

  No, I only knew him as Meathead. And it was like, Meathead's gonna be director? Like, that's, you just knew him as Meathead. How else was I gonna know him? And also, like, thirty-five million people watched that show every week.

• 22:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Bill Simmons?

  And he was like the, uh, you know, that show was like, I would love to be in a room with kids in college watching like season one of All in the Family, just to see the reactions. But he was like the hippie, you know, Vietnam protester kinda son-in-law with like this reprehensible, but lovable father-in-law.

• 22:53Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 22:53Bill Simmons?

  Who would just insult everybody. And you would just kinda battle with them. And that's kinda who he became. And he was smart enough, he left the show, cuz he was like, I don't wanna be Meathead.

• 23:01Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 23:02Bill Simmons?

  I think there's probably more here. But yeah, he didn't shed Meathead until this movie.

• 23:05Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 23:05Bill Simmons?

  And after this movie, it was like, oh, Rob Reiner, he's good at this. And then, you know, Stand By Me, then he was cemented. But this was a big movie. Like, this was a really important high school, college movie for everyone in my generation. It was right, it was in there, it was one of the OGs. It was with Ferris Bueller, it was with Breakfast Club, it was with Karate Kid, Teen Wolf, all those. It was right, it was right there.

• 23:27Chris Ryan?

  Of the Cusack movies from this era, I think I watched, I mean, before Say Anything came out, I think I probably watched One Crazy Summer or more. But that's just like a higher joke volume. So when I was a kid, that was like, that, just watching like something that had animation and had like all these different, like, skits within the movie.

• 23:44Bill Simmons?

  That was a Zag movie too, where some people are like, you know what's fucking awesome? One Crazy Summer. This, I watched this a bunch of times. The soundtrack's great. The two of them are awesome together, Zuniga and Cusack. But then you have young Anthony Edwards with Hair.

• 24:00Chris Ryan?

  Yep. Yeah.

• 24:02Bill Simmons?

  What a run for him, Revenge of the Nerds and this. And Top Gun?

• 24:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, not to step on it, but he was up for give.

• 24:08Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 24:10Bill Simmons?

  You have young Nicolette Sheridan.

• 24:13Chris Ryan?

  Fantastic.

• 24:14Bill Simmons?

  Just throwing her fastball, shows up 20 years later in Desperate Housewives.

• 24:19Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Is that the sure thing, woman?

• 24:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  I haven't thought about her character. I'll save it for later.

• 24:25Bill Simmons?

  Great. Tim Robbins.

• 24:28Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 24:29Bill Simmons?

  Singing show tunes in the car.

• 24:30Chris Ryan?

  One of what would be many collaborations with Cusack.

• 24:33Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 24:35Bill Simmons?

  Really good cast.

• 24:36Chris Ryan?

  A lot of, a lot of that, guys, in this movie.

• 24:38Bill Simmons?

  Written by Jonathan Roberts and Steven O'Boone. Congratulations, guys. You did great. 4.5 million dollar budget made 18.1 million dollars. Not bad for 1985. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars.

• 24:49Chris Ryan?

  Fucking loved it.

• 24:50Bill Simmons?

  Fucking killed it.

• 24:50Chris Ryan?

  I watched Cisco and Ebert talking about this today. They were like over the moon for it.

• 24:54Bill Simmons?

  Well, this is coming off, we should have mentioned this earlier, but this is a five-year run of horny teenagers trying to get laid movies.

• 25:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Bill Simmons?

  The poster of this, the premise of it, makes it seem like, ah, we're doing this again. And it's like, no, we're actually not doing this again. Stick with us. So I think those guys were so grateful. Somebody put some actual thought. And I think, I don't even think this is the hottest take. I think you could argue that this ended the Porky's era. Like this actual, this was the movie that was like, we're done now.

• 25:21Chris Ryan?

  Oh, like with-

• 25:22Bill Simmons?

  We've now elevated beyond this. We're gonna move this way now, guys. And we're gonna put some more thought into this and, you know.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Cause this movie sells sex, but doesn't give you any.

• 25:31Chris Ryan?

  I mean, yeah, I mean, there's one sort of comic sex scene in this movie, and other than that, it's pre-chased.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  And like the marketing and the poster makes you think this is much more of a raunchy teen sex comedy, and it's really not. It's closer to like if the road trip scene from When Harry Met Sally was like the whole movie with two 18-year-olds.

• 25:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Bill Simmons?

  There is another movie a year before that Copman's been bad dream to do on rewatchables forever, The Flamingo Kid.

• 25:55Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 25:55Bill Simmons?

  That's different than this movie, but also was like kind of that elevated, you think it's one thing, but it's actually a way better version of it. Ebert said, "The love story is one of Hollywood's missing genres. The movie industry seems better at teenage movies like Porky's with its sleazy shower scenes than with screenplays that involve any sort of thought about the love lives of its characters. That's why the sure thing is a small miracle. The film is so revolutionary, believes sex should be accompanied by respect and love." Exclamation point.

• 26:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:24Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 26:26Bill Simmons?

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• 27:54Bill Simmons?

  All right, most rewatchable scene. The opening credits are great. Rod Stewart.

• 27:58Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 27:58Bill Simmons?

  You like that song?

• 27:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Bill Simmons?

  Infatuation.

• 28:01Chris Ryan?

  His disco-y funk era is not my favorite Rod Stewart, but it's a it's a cool song.

• 28:06Bill Simmons?

  Like, if I put that on at a holiday party, would people thought that was weird? Like, hey, guys, here's Rod Stewart's Infatuation?

• 28:12Chris Ryan?

  I'd love that. You should have just played the Sure Thing soundtrack for the party.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  It's a great opening credits. Talk about like a way to hook you into the movie, like you're locked in.

• 28:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she did a great job.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  The the opening credits is a lost art in movies now. We don't do that anymore.

• 28:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, the like, a lot of the big blockbusters now, I feel like, pretty much skip the opening credits and get right into like a big action.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  There's no vibe setting, which is what this really does.

• 28:34Bill Simmons?

  The next rewatchable movie we're gonna do, which I'm not gonna spoil.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  Has opening credits.

• 28:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 28:40Bill Simmons?

  Was noticeable. It's like, oh, guys.

• 28:42Chris Ryan?

  Old school.

• 28:43Bill Simmons?

  Look at this. Going back to, going back to the well. Uh, most rewatchable scene, the first classroom scene that sets up Gib as our carefree, lovable kind of fuck up. I hope he can pull the, pull off just everything in life. And then Allison as the intense overachiever. Some good back and forth with them. I like that. I like a good football scene in these eighties, nineties movies too.

• 29:04Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, if they wanted to do, uh, the first hour and a half of this movie being just football on the quad, I would have taken it. This is such a funny fucking scene.

• 29:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:12Chris Ryan?

  From like.

• 29:13Bill Simmons?

  Him announcing it?

• 29:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. The announcing that's going on. He also keeps getting, he's like Ed Reed. He keeps getting.

• 29:20Bill Simmons?

  He's a good athlete.

• 29:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, pretty good. He's tall.

• 29:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Uh, I love this scene and I love the, uh, moment where he like runs by Allison and her friend and never like says hi, but just keeps his Pat Summerall announcing going. And then like, it's just kind of looking at her and she's kind of like, it's just such a great little moment. And they don't have any real interaction until he goes and stalks her down to by the pool.

• 29:42Bill Simmons?

  Craig, how much two on two football have you played in your life?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Tons. It's on the beach.

• 29:46Bill Simmons?

  It's a big movie show. Movies love the two on two flag football.

• 29:51Chris Ryan?

  And then what is it like, was they were playing five one thousand for Blitz?

• 29:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Did it a stop and go? That's always a good one. So that's the best route.

• 29:58Chris Ryan?

  That's the Kevin Patullo right there.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  You gotta sell the pump fake though.

• 30:02Bill Simmons?

  Right, true. I knew nothing as an only child. So basically anything I knew from colleges were from going to visit my uncle Don and my aunt Louise in college or movies. And I just thought movies were like, I thought, I thought college was like movies like this where.

• 30:17Chris Ryan?

  I absolutely thought.

• 30:18Bill Simmons?

  You went to your buddy's room and he had 10,000 beer bottles all stacked up.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Is it not like that?

• 30:24Bill Simmons?

  And people play, people play football. No, in my head, I was like, this is college.

• 30:28Chris Ryan?

  But I thought when like, when they're like, it's Friday night and the guy has a Miller.

• 30:32Bill Simmons?

  A guy opening the window going, it's Friday night.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  You want to do most givable moment. I don't know how that Friday beers get on that right now because that's an iconic moment of that. That guy's also like 28, but I love that.

• 30:43Bill Simmons?

  I love that.

• 30:44Chris Ryan?

  And then immediately everybody is like playing soccer in the hall and exchanging kegs.

• 30:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. The swimming pool scene's funny. That's where you're like, oh, Cusack's just gonna go for it.

• 30:54Chris Ryan?

  He's cooking. Yeah.

• 30:56Bill Simmons?

  Gib and Allison getting kicked out of Gary Cooper's car. Played by Tim Robbins.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 31:01Bill Simmons?

  Which includes, uh, show tunes, shotgunning a beer and eating cheese balls. I think which is the big go on a burger war for best use of food to drink. Allison flashing a car.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:11Bill Simmons?

  Little turn the tables. And then Tim Robbins escaping with a.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Lock the doors.

• 31:16Bill Simmons?

  Lock the doors.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  When that woman screams, she is so funny, his wife.

• 31:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Lock the door and she's like, ah.

• 31:25Bill Simmons?

  Possible great shot Gordo award here, they're, they're, they're outside, the car's gone. In Cusack City on the ground, the camera and the road behind them and Daphne Zinnegan's character is behind them. It's a good one. Gib foiling the hitchhiker, possible rapist.

• 31:44Bill Simmons?

  Where he does, I mean, that could be some crazy slime ball. I could shit burn. He's really funny in that. Eat it just for pleasure. The, uh, scene where it just starts pouring rain on them.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:56Bill Simmons?

  And she remembers she has a credit card, but can only use it for emergencies.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:59Bill Simmons?

  I hope one comes up. Uh, maybe one will come up. The, uh, I, I'm a big fan of these scenes of the rom com, the, the accidental cuddle scene.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:11Bill Simmons?

  Always works. Gib wakes up cuddling Allison. Oh, sorry, sorry. No, it was all right.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:17Bill Simmons?

  Like at that point, it's like, come on, Gib. She's sending you the official signs now.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  I mean, she's like, you can sleep in the bed with me.

• 32:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:23Bill Simmons?

  Come on, Gib. Um, they get a ride and he tells the trucker his whole sure thing story, which of course she wakes up for. Two more scenes, the, uh, Lance's Hollywood.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  The Tahiti frat.

• 32:33Bill Simmons?

  His Hawaiian eighties party just sounded amazing. Uh, the punch bowl insults were funny. And then the last one, which is my pick, the professor reading the sure thing essay.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:43Bill Simmons?

  Does God exist? Who invented liquid soap and why? And then the answer was no.

• 32:51Bill Simmons?

  That scene's awesome.

• 32:52Chris Ryan?

  Yes. She, you're like, why do they keep going to this professor? Like, what's gonna be the payoff with her? And it really, Vivica Lindford, is that who plays her?

• 33:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's some old school.

• 33:02Chris Ryan?

  She's an old school Hollywood actress. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I would just wanna shout out a honorable mention, rewatchable scene, the dive bar scene.

• 33:11Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:12Chris Ryan?

  Which is just so random, but the guy being like, I had fried food today. I shouldn't have done it, you know, like, and it's just like those three guys sitting at the bar and being like, we're pretty good looking, you know? I love that, but, uh.

• 33:24Bill Simmons?

  We were better at the eighties and nineties with just having random dive bar scenes with weird characters.

• 33:29Chris Ryan?

  But it's also like, that scene doesn't actually have like a purpose other than, this is maybe where he's gonna wind up if he doesn't get his shit together, I guess.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  It's the only scene that can be cut, and it might be my favorite scene in the movie.

• 33:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the waitress who keeps coming back and he's just keeps giving her like random facts and she's just like, cool.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  That's one of my two flexes are, that two I wrote down in this scene is the Rick Dalton Award for the best fucking acting I've ever seen in my life. The, the fat drunk guy at the bar, I think is some of the best drunk acting I've ever seen.

• 33:58Chris Ryan?

  I was like, is this Brando in makeup or something like?

• 34:00Speaker 01

  He is remarkably good. I looked him up. His name is George Memoli. He actually died in 1985.

• 34:04Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  He's been in a bunch of other movies. He had an accident on set. He was supposed to be in Taxi Driver. Scorsese in an interview in 2002 said he died because of that injury on set.

• 34:13Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  But, whoa, I know, it's crazy.

• 34:15Bill Simmons?

  Craig's like really bringing it today.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Right. I know. I honestly loved it. I feel like I've already seen the movie 10 times, even though I've watched it once.

• 34:20Chris Ryan?

  I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say, fuck it, I'm gonna go with the dive bar, even though Allison's not in it. That's my most rewatchable scene.

• 34:26Bill Simmons?

  Have you ever had a professor who could read anything that well in front of a class?

• 34:30Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna bring up creative writing workshops, uh, in a little bit later, but we can, I've never had. I've had some pretty magnetic professors, but they were more like monologuing, doing their lectures. The creative writing workshops are, are a real crap shoot.

• 34:45Bill Simmons?

  My eighth grade English teacher, Wally Ramsey, father of my buddy Gus, he would read essays sometime. It was really good. That's the only one I can remember.

• 34:54Chris Ryan?

  She's going first pass on that essay is just nailing it.

• 34:57Bill Simmons?

  Really, really crushing it.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Also, she does the thing that I don't think teachers do anymore where she she grades people out loud in front of everyone.

• 35:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, now that would cause that would cause an absolute riot.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  She's like, Allison, I liked it, but open up a little bit more.

• 35:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  B plus.

• 35:09Chris Ryan?

  That's how that's how.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Just like goes to the next.

• 35:11Chris Ryan?

  That's how they got Lydia Tarr, you know?

• 35:14Bill Simmons?

  I should do that at the end of the year with the Ringer staff.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  On on mic, review every podcast with the company.

• 35:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I thought you had a great year.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  To be fair, you opened this podcast doing that to me.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Little bit of fluff in the beginning, CR.

• 35:29Bill Simmons?

  But then you got to where you needed to go.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:31Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1985 thing about this movie?

• 35:36Bill Simmons?

  Writing detailed letters to your friends from high school?

• 35:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yes.

• 35:42Bill Simmons?

  Dear Sean, I'm having a great time in school. I saw one battle after another. I thought it was awesome. I know you must have loved it. And then you would just send it not here for three days?

• 35:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:55Bill Simmons?

  We really did do that. I would send I would send letters to my friends.

• 36:00Chris Ryan?

  I would say that my emails to friends were still pretty long until I got G chat in like oh two.

• 36:12Chris Ryan?

  And then it just turned into like, like, everything was one sentence. But like up until like when when you first had to like go to the library to log into your email, I would still be like, well, I'm only coming here like twice a week, so I'm writing a long email.

• 36:24Bill Simmons?

  We would have the mailbox in college was like genuinely exciting to go to the mailbox every day and see if you got a letter from somebody. It's really strange.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Sounds like a better time. I like the line from Lance, I'm talking to you cordless.

• 36:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  That's pretty 1985.

• 36:41Bill Simmons?

  More 1985, writing funny sex story letters to Penthouse?

• 36:45Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 36:45Bill Simmons?

  Everyone tried this in the 80s.

• 36:47Chris Ryan?

  I did not, but yeah.

• 36:48Bill Simmons?

  I'm talking to you cordless?

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Everyone.

• 36:52Bill Simmons?

  Everyone, trust me.

• 36:55Bill Simmons?

  I'm talking to a cordless I had and then Allison had an amazing Culture Club poster.

• 36:59Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:00Bill Simmons?

  In your room.

• 37:00Chris Ryan?

  She had the Paul Newman one in Culture Club, right?

• 37:03Bill Simmons?

  The Culture Club poster probably had a five month shelf life. By 1986, you're not having that poster.

• 37:08Chris Ryan?

  No, you've moved on to somebody else.

• 37:09Bill Simmons?

  Or something. Did you have any other ones?

• 37:11Chris Ryan?

  I don't know if this is still a thing, but the Ride bulletin board.

• 37:16Bill Simmons?

  So I wondered about that. I wondered if they still must have that though, right? Or maybe it's now a message board?

• 37:21Chris Ryan?

  I just feel like it's either a message board or it's just like, yeah, my buddy's driving back to Atlanta. So I'm going to get a ride with him or something, you know, like it's the idea of just being like, I guess I'll get in this car for three days with this person who's the only thing I know about them is that they put an index card up on a bulletin board. It seems highly unlikely now.

• 37:39Bill Simmons?

  I had this in What Saves the Worst, but getting a ride with them, but then also sharing a hotel with two double beds with strangers.

• 37:46Chris Ryan?

  I gotta admit though.

• 37:47Bill Simmons?

  I don't think that happens in 25.

• 37:48Chris Ryan?

  No, but I will say what some of the best road trips I've ever had have been like random going back to going back home for Thanksgiving with a couple of like, like Andy and I used to go back to Philly with Thanksgiving and he would take a bunch of his buddies from Brown University with him. So I would drive some people with me and it would always be the best like those, those like we're out of school for a week. Let's go is, is the best feeling.

• 38:12Bill Simmons?

  What Saves the Best, the soundtrack, which I think is the reason this movie is not streaming, includes Rod Stewart Infatuation, Huey Lewis Heart of Rock and Roll, John Waits Crying Over You? Which I forgot how much I loved.

• 38:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Heartache tonight? Sing it.

• 38:31Bill Simmons?

  Crying over you.

• 38:33Chris Ryan?

  He had a couple of bangers, wait.

• 38:34Bill Simmons?

  He really did.

• 38:35Chris Ryan?

  Um.

• 38:36Bill Simmons?

  Eagles Heartbreak Tonight.

• 38:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:38Bill Simmons?

  The Cars You Might Think, Wang Chung Dance All Days, Lights Out by Peter Wolf, and then Penny Lover by Lionel Richie.

• 38:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:47Bill Simmons?

  Which is maybe his best song. It like, I think that's like a zag. I don't know if I believe it. But I think you could say it's his best constructed song.

• 38:55Chris Ryan?

  Better than Smells Like Teen Spirit?

• 38:59Bill Simmons?

  This, well, I can't wait to talk about that.

• 39:03Bill Simmons?

  More would say it's the best. I mentioned how the movie made college seem just so great. Really seemed like an awesome place.

• 39:10Chris Ryan?

  I would say, I couldn't decide whether to put it in best or worst. But the, the scene of Anthony Edwards calling John Cusack from, from

• 39:19Bill Simmons?

  With 10 people just lounging?

• 39:21Chris Ryan?

  He's at UCLA, but it seems like he's at Pepperdine because he's got the

• 39:24Bill Simmons?

  No, he said he was at his buddy's Malibu pad.

• 39:26Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's right. He's at his buddy's Malibu place. And like, there's just like 14 girls drinking Diet Cokes in the pool.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  It's the Playboy Mansion, basically.

• 39:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And he's just like

• 39:34Bill Simmons?

  Were you doing that at San Diego?

• 39:36Speaker 01

  There's a little bit of that.

• 39:37Bill Simmons?

  Calling your buddies?

• 39:38Speaker 01

  It wasn't not like that.

• 39:40Bill Simmons?

  Yo, dude, we're in La Jolla.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  I'm talking to you cordless.

• 39:43Chris Ryan?

  That is one of like the hardest things to get your head around, though. Like when, if you've gone to, if you went to college in the Northeast and then you hear about what college was like for people who went to school in Southern California, you're just like, god damn it. What was, what was I thinking? Why did I think nine months of dark, cold weather would be a good idea?

• 40:02Bill Simmons?

  There's a couple of schools out here that are like that. Like the UCSB was like the stealth, like Fight Club. The, the student body didn't even talk about it. They didn't want to know us to know.

• 40:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:13Bill Simmons?

  Now everyone knows, but I think that they had it like hidden for a while.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Just like how great it was?

• 40:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, how great it is to go to school in Santa Barbara and just have all this.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  And I love this, a huge party town. They're like legendary for their, for Halloween there. It's insane.

• 40:27Bill Simmons?

  But San Diego's another one that like, just a good place to go to college. A lot of stuff going on. I like the line, "How would you like to have a sexual encounter so intense it could change your political views?" Just good writing. What's age the best? "Professors with cool accents reading essays in class."

• 40:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:42Bill Simmons?

  I had this in college. Professor Vannicelli, R.I.P.

• 40:47Bill Simmons?

  Snowy college campuses, fun.

• 40:50Bill Simmons?

  I want to shout out for what's age the best, the stuffy boyfriend that she had. In two minutes

• 40:55Chris Ryan?

  Jason?

• 40:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. In two minutes, he talks about his flannel sheets that he just put on. He, he has choices of tea. He cleared out his, her draw for her for the week. And then he's a big gin rummy guy.

• 41:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:07Bill Simmons?

  Offering to give her extra points. They just nailed everything with that.

• 41:11Chris Ryan?

  And every time she's just like, "Let's go to Disneyland." He's like, "Well, Disneyland is for children, for children." Yeah.

• 41:21Bill Simmons?

  The whole concept of giving somebody a real name like Nick, Nick's your buddy, Nick's a guy you can trust, Nick will let you puke in your car.

• 41:29Bill Simmons?

  Do you think Nick's the right name for that?

• 41:31Chris Ryan?

  At nineteen, in nineteen eighty-five, probably.

• 41:32Bill Simmons?

  That's Ben. That was one of the reasons I named my son Ben. I feel like Ben's are just really reliable. When does a Ben ever let you down?

• 41:42Bill Simmons?

  And then Lance's room, which not only had the one hundred different beer bottles,

• 41:46Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 41:47Bill Simmons?

  but had the nineteen eighty-four tennis poster of the girl's ass where she's putting the ball in and there's an ass cheek, which was there in the eighties for a while, but I think, I think people realized eventually like this isn't the greatest way to have the opposite sex feeling comfortable in my room.

• 42:01Chris Ryan?

  The worst what Lance's room probably smelled like, because you know he's not thoroughly washing those beer bottles out. So it probably just smells like sweat.

• 42:09Bill Simmons?

  Oh, it smells like skunk beer.

• 42:11Chris Ryan?

  And skunked beer. And he's like, this is the love palace. This is where I take all the chicks.

• 42:16Bill Simmons?

  You have any other What's Aged The Best?

• 42:17Chris Ryan?

  No, I mean, just the vision of nineteen eighties college life was, has really aged the best. Between the classes, the fashions, the, I love the way Allison has divided her day, where she's like, you know, six o'clock calculus, six forty-five phone call, you know, like,

• 42:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:34Chris Ryan?

  Um, and just like the, the Friday night partying and stuff like that. That was my favorite. Also, What's Aged The Best is, or actually, you know, you could say it's the worst, but was it easier back then when somebody would just be like, hey, here's a picture of a girl I think you might like? And that was the extent of the knowledge that you had and you had to actually like go meet that person?

• 42:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, go, go across country. We should mention What's Aged The Best, uh, young Cusack. Just knowing that, uh, you're going to spend the next forty years with this guy.

• 43:01Bill Simmons?

  I have a special Amanda Dobbins Award for the, uh, best piece of real estate. The three-story Malibu house in Gibbs's Dreams.

• 43:08Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 43:08Bill Simmons?

  Great house. That's like a hundred billion dollar house now.

• 43:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh, it's insane.

• 43:12Bill Simmons?

  Three stories right on the beach. It's like a staircase. I mean, there's an elevator.

• 43:16Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that was in Malibu? Do you think that was in like Hermosa? No?

• 43:19Bill Simmons?

  I think it was like way down in Malibu, closer to, like when it, uh, when it gets a little barren.

• 43:26Bill Simmons?

  Great Jack Gordo Award.

• 43:27Chris Ryan?

  Can we just say, the man who shot this film shot There Will Be Blood. That is fucking nuts. And another hallmark of Rob Reiner movies, he works with incredible people. He picks like the best people to shoot and cut and write his movies. Uh, and Robert Ellsworth. Was the D O P on this.

• 43:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 43:46Chris Ryan?

  I wouldn't know that if you put two frames next to each other, but it is an indication of his eye for talent.

• 43:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I mean, that was like Goldman's favorite guy to do stuff with.

• 43:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:56Bill Simmons?

  And Goldman, when he started working with him, Goldman, Goldman and Robert Downey were the two best screenwriters, right? Ryan is like, come on. And Goldman was going through, I think, a little bit of a tough time. Like writer's block, back issues and the Ryan stuff really like being bigger.

• 44:09Chris Ryan?

  Like Tracy McGrady.

• 44:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, a little bit like Tracy McGrady going to the Rockets. Great shot, Gordo. I was gonna say the wallet being in the bed is so well done.

• 44:17Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 44:18Bill Simmons?

  When it's that shot of them looking, them looking, they're looking around and then they leave and it just comes down. And you just see the wallet and all the stuff is really good. What'd you have?

• 44:27Chris Ryan?

  I just had the Dolly shot of Gib walking up and down the pool yelling at her.

• 44:31Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:32Chris Ryan?

  It's just like a right on the edge of absurd.

• 44:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 44:35Chris Ryan?

  And he jumps in the pool and it's just like such a great, like piece of visual, a visual joke.

• 44:41Bill Simmons?

  Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness where a best needle drop. It could be Infatuation up in credits, but I think Penny Lover drops at a really nice time for the slow dance.

• 44:49Chris Ryan?

  I thought you might think when you walk into the frat party was like, that's what I want to hear if I was walking into a Tahitian themed frat party.

• 44:56Bill Simmons?

  That's good. C R's Choice for a flex category. What do you got?

• 44:59Chris Ryan?

  Book about medals award for belatedly best quote or exchange. Uh, is when Cusack says that he plays football for Grambling and his friend is like, I thought it, I thought Grambling was all black. And Cusack just goes, so what?

• 45:16Chris Ryan?

  It's such a random little line. He's like, it's nine interceptions on this season for Grambling. And he's like, I thought Grambling was all black.

• 45:28Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one.

• 45:31Bill Simmons?

  Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. They just don't do a good enough job with the, uh, the Sheridan character, the sure thing.

• 45:40Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Nicolette.

• 45:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you know, feeling, e- even in the moment, not feeling great for her, but then the years later, she's just, she's, I don't know, I just feel bad for her. I wish she had been like 10% more like kinda on it.

• 45:52Chris Ryan?

  So neither.

• 45:54Bill Simmons?

  No, you think it's perfect?

• 45:55Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I think it's, it's the only glaring issue with this movie is that he's getting, he's pimping her out.

• 45:59Chris Ryan?

  This gorgeous blonde woman at UCLA is just roaming around a frat party with no one near her, nothing to do.

• 46:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, just waiting for her.

• 46:04Chris Ryan?

  No, she's literally getting pimped out by Anthony Edwards. He's just like, come here, she's ready for it.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  And she's like, sure, I, and for the next hour and a half, I'll just follow John Cusack around and hope he talks to me. No other man is speaking with me. I have nothing else to do.

• 46:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  She's like the hottest woman in LA and no, no one's getting near her.

• 46:19Chris Ryan?

  It's like Don Simpson's step, stepson is probably there or whatever.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  She would be hounded. She would give a fuck about some guy on the East Coast.

• 46:26Bill Simmons?

  But this was an eighties trope where the, e- either it was that or it was Lori Loughlin in Secret Admirer with Nobody Likes Art and she's like smoking hot.

• 46:35Chris Ryan?

  The, the, the casting or the presentation of the two other people in these people's lives. So Jason, the boyfriend at UCLA and Nicolette Sheridan, it's like, I, I could stand for them to be a little bit more relatable or human, but like, I understand why you have to make them caricatures.

• 46:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're like props.

• 46:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Bill Simmons?

  What's Age the Worst? Cusack tries a Valley Girl accent at one point, which was very in vogue in 85, but now it's like,

• 47:02Chris Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 47:02Bill Simmons?

  If somebody did that now, I don't know if anyone's getting the joke.

• 47:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Bill Simmons?

  Or you'd think they were doing like Californication. What was that? The Californians? Yeah.

• 47:07Chris Ryan?

  The Californian skit. Yeah.

• 47:10Bill Simmons?

  I have a good What's Age the Worst though. And this was a theme for eighties movies.

• 47:17Bill Simmons?

  Eighties teens being really fascinated by stars in outer space as a way to make it seem more human to girls. This is a big one in Camp I Me Love.

• 47:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:29Bill Simmons?

  Uh, but it's a lot like, it was a way to show that there was more to the guy than just trying to get laid. We'd be like, it's all out there, man.

• 47:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:36Bill Simmons?

  All these stars and it'd be like, how do them have a moment? Yeah, yeah. I, I, now I realize I probably should have done that more when I was trying to.

• 47:43Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that there's like a telescopes became more widely available kind of thing that's happening with that?

• 47:49Bill Simmons?

  Or do we have too much info in outer space now and it's like, yeah, there's some shit up there.

• 47:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:54Bill Simmons?

  We've kind of, we've kind of explored everything, put some satellites. Yeah, it's just some stars. There's no human life.

• 48:00Chris Ryan?

  Um, I have for what's aged the worst, uh, the character named Walter Gibson, not a name you see a lot on a lot of white guys anymore.

• 48:06Bill Simmons?

  No, he'd be like a left guard for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

• 48:11Bill Simmons?

  Walter Gibson's probable to come back.

• 48:13Chris Ryan?

  He really is. Kirby Smart really saw something in him.

• 48:16Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 48:17Chris Ryan?

  Uh, writing workshops, I know they help people with their work, but I, I, you have to listen to a lot of bad writing when you're in writing workshops.

• 48:24Bill Simmons?

  And you, and you have to do a lot of kind of really forced in compliments.

• 48:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like I had to like at, at Everest, I had to listen to like vampire erotica and, and just be like, that was pretty good. Yeah. Like I think you may want to think about the last act.

• 48:38Bill Simmons?

  Chris, you really have an eye for characters.

• 48:41Chris Ryan?

  Your ear for dialogue is amazing.

• 48:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:43Chris Ryan?

  Um.

• 48:44Bill Simmons?

  Ear for dialogue is a good compliment.

• 48:45Chris Ryan?

  Hitchhiking?

• 48:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Chris Ryan?

  We don't do that too much anymore. It's probably aged the worst and.

• 48:50Bill Simmons?

  You know why we don't do it? Cause Netflix has been 45 true crime documentaries that end with a hitchhiker being murdered.

• 48:57Chris Ryan?

  Not to get dark, but was there a definitive end to hitchhiking?

• 49:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Chris Ryan?

  Something happened?

• 49:02Bill Simmons?

  End of the seventies.

• 49:03Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 49:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I think the seventies it was going and then there were actually like PSA TV movies that I remember watching.

• 49:11Chris Ryan?

  Don't hitchhike.

• 49:12Bill Simmons?

  The late seventies where it was like this guy's.

• 49:14Chris Ryan?

  Did you ever hitchhike?

• 49:16Bill Simmons?

  Never.

• 49:16Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 49:17Bill Simmons?

  By the eighties, people didn't do that.

• 49:18Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 49:18Bill Simmons?

  But it was, remember Paul Thomas Anderson's dad?

• 49:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 49:22Bill Simmons?

  Who would do the ABC ads? They would do like, Sally thought it would be a good idea to go cross-country. She thought wrong.

• 49:29Chris Ryan?

  The Angel Dust?

• 49:29Bill Simmons?

  Diary of a Teenage Hitchhiker, the night of nine on ABC. But yeah, it was, they put the fair god in you with the after-school specials and everything else.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  It's a good scene, obviously, and it helps his character develop, but I don't know if Allison, for who she is, for how pragmatic she is, if she would have gotten in that car with that guy.

• 49:46Chris Ryan?

  I think she's at her wit's end, though.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 49:47Chris Ryan?

  Like, where, I mean, they are in the Great Plains in that scene, so like, I don't know where she's going. Uh, yeah, and probably at this point, it, it's aged the worst to travel 3,000 miles to get laid, just because there are apps now.

• 50:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:02Bill Simmons?

  He's just going on, but what site would he go on now, Craig?

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Not that I use them, but Bumble, Hinge, Tinder.

• 50:10Chris Ryan?

  No free ads.

• 50:10Bill Simmons?

  Not that I use them, that, that, that. That'd be a good sponsored segment with Craig.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Raya, if you're, if you're really cool.

• 50:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I don't think Gibbs getting on Raya. The rough-ho Hannah Rubenek partridge over acting word. It's Cusack a couple of times, but I love it every time.

• 50:24Chris Ryan?

  Cusack the hitchhiker.

• 50:25Bill Simmons?

  Totally necessary, yeah.

• 50:26Chris Ryan?

  Cusack the crazy hitchhiker.

• 50:27Bill Simmons?

  Totally necessary. So, do we retire the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award? And change it to the Rob Mahoney thinks smells like teen spirit sucks award?

• 50:39Speaker 01

  I think it's, I, I.

• 50:40Bill Simmons?

  Is it time?

• 50:41Chris Ryan?

  I'm willing to give it over.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 50:44Bill Simmons?

  Is it time?

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 50:45Chris Ryan?

  The categories could use a new coat of paint.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:47Bill Simmons?

  So we call it the Rob Mahoney thinks smells like teen spirit suck the whole time?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  We should do a rewatchables hottest take, um, like March Madness bracket.

• 50:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh, like a clip show? And then just have like.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  All of the hottest takes, like the best 64 we've ever done and have them compete and see which one wins.

• 51:04Chris Ryan?

  My hottest take for, be it Rob Mahoney or the Luke Wilson, is that Gib and Allison met just a hair too early to make it really work in their lives. It's just freshman year's tough, man. Freshman year. And for that to be the forever relationship, those guys are gonna go through a lot of changes. They're gonna discover a lot of new music. They're gonna try some different drugs, you know, like it's about to get really kooky out there in the eighties. You never know what's gonna happen.

• 51:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 51:30Chris Ryan?

  And.

• 51:31Bill Simmons?

  Lance hasn't died yet.

• 51:32Chris Ryan?

  I just don't really know if Gib is Gibbs gonna be able to like dial it in academically. I think they're they're supposed to be at like Cornell. You know, Allison's not gonna not.

• 51:40Bill Simmons?

  I would stop Brown, but yeah, Cornell could be too.

• 51:43Chris Ryan?

  New York that they're supposed to be in, but uh, yeah, it's it's a sad, sad little truth, but I don't think Gib and Allison are forever couple.

• 51:52Bill Simmons?

  I had this later for probably Unanswerable. So I'll just do it now. I think it's going great and I think he gets drunk one night and makes out with another girl and she never forgives him. And then at some point, campus police might've had to intervene because he kept showing up at her room at three in the morning.

• 52:08Chris Ryan?

  Over under sophomore first semester that they make it to. You think they make it through that first summer?

• 52:14Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 52:15Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 52:15Speaker 01

  I think they do. I think they make it through most of college and he starts to have the same crisis he has at the end of high school where he's like, I, I like gotta go on and be myself and do something else. I can't be with the same girl into my twenties.

• 52:26Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Lance remains a thorn in the side for the relationship or has he become like?

• 52:30Bill Simmons?

  Lance is out. He marries a biologist. Yeah. I think Gib wins the intramural football championship and it goes right to his head.

• 52:39Chris Ryan?

  Grambling?

• 52:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, transfers to gambling.

• 52:42Chris Ryan?

  He hits the portal?

• 52:44Bill Simmons?

  My uh, my CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take, which we're now retiring and naming after Rob Mooney and Smoze like teen spirit and hottest take a word. I think Risky Business and The Sure Thing are the two best eighties teen movies. With teen characters as the protagonists.

• 53:02Chris Ryan?

  Business and The Sure Thing, okay.

• 53:03Bill Simmons?

  I think they are the top two. I would have Breakfast Club third and I have Karate Kid fourth.

• 53:07Chris Ryan?

  You don't have, is Bueller five?

• 53:10Bill Simmons?

  I'd go to Bueller five.

• 53:11Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 53:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:13Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 53:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 53:15Bill Simmons?

  That's. If I had to Mount Rushmore, I'd have those as the four. And then Bueller five and Bueller versus Karate Kid's a good argument.

• 53:23Chris Ryan?

  It's a.

• 53:24Bill Simmons?

  I mean, Karate Kid's like. I don't know.

• 53:26Chris Ryan?

  I think of it more as a sports movie than I do as a teen movie.

• 53:29Bill Simmons?

  All right, fair. I'll bump Cry to Kid. Risky Business, Sure Thing, Breakfast Club, Ferris.

• 53:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:34Bill Simmons?

  As a Mount Rushmore. I think that's, I think that might be it for me. I'll move Cry to Kid to the sports movie territory.

• 53:40Chris Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 53:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, all right. Casting whittiffs. You mentioned Anthony Edwards almost got the lead and then Cusack got the part. They moved him over. Robin Wright auditioned for the title role, didn't get it.

• 53:50Chris Ryan?

  For Nikolaj Sheridan's part.

• 53:52Bill Simmons?

  And filed it away. For, uh, for Princess Bride.

• 53:56Chris Ryan?

  To your point, or to our point where we're like, i- if it's Robin Wright.

• 54:02Bill Simmons?

  If the movie doesn't work.

• 54:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:03Bill Simmons?

  Cause she's the most beautiful person that ever existed.

• 54:07Bill Simmons?

  It's unrealistic that she would be single for a minute and a half.

• 54:10Chris Ryan?

  Thanks for the ride, Allison. I'll see you later. Yeah.

• 54:12Bill Simmons?

  Right. Allison, bye. I hope it works out with Boyd.

• 54:16Chris Ryan?

  I'm transferring.

• 54:17Bill Simmons?

  Good luck with your shit, Remy.

• 54:21Bill Simmons?

  Best that guy award.

• 54:22Chris Ryan?

  Oh, there's a couple of other casting whittiffs. Anthony Edwards was up for Gibb, as we said, and Mayor Winningham for, uh, Allison.

• 54:32Bill Simmons?

  Probably, Zuniga's probably better.

• 54:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but you can see it in St. Almost Fire. You can see like where they were coming from.

• 54:39Bill Simmons?

  I almost did that for my hottest take.

• 54:42Bill Simmons?

  Maybe, maybe I could do a second one.

• 54:44Chris Ryan?

  Go ahead. It's your pod.

• 54:45Bill Simmons?

  Daphne Zuniga, I think, should have been in the Brat Pack. I think she easily could have replaced Ali Shidi and all the Ali Shidi parts and I would rather, I just would rather have her than Ali Shidi. Just in general. I think St. Almost Fire is better with her. I think Breakfast Club's better with her.

• 55:04Chris Ryan?

  So, I would say.

• 55:05Bill Simmons?

  I even think Bad Boys would be better with her.

• 55:07Chris Ryan?

  There's a weird moment, right at, well, not weird moment, but it's like One Crazy Summer, Demi Moore is, is basically playing the Daphne Zuniga part. It's the person that, that Cusack's character is kind of with the whole movie.

• 55:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 55:21Chris Ryan?

  But is distracted from and then eventually realizes like, I'm, I'm in love with this person, right? And I wonder how much of a Demi Moore career Zap, Daphne Zuniga could have had.

• 55:31Bill Simmons?

  Interesting. Well, she ended up getting, uh, knocked up by her high school reading guy and then fighting for custody with her in-laws.

• 55:40Chris Ryan?

  Season three.

• 55:42Bill Simmons?

  Best that guy.

• 55:45Bill Simmons?

  The trucker.

• 55:46Chris Ryan?

  Larry Hankin.

• 55:48Bill Simmons?

  You know who the trucker is?

• 55:49Chris Ryan?

  No. Did you rec- like, were you like?

• 55:51Bill Simmons?

  Legendary 90's TV actor.

• 55:53Chris Ryan?

  Didn't recognize him.

• 55:54Bill Simmons?

  He played, uh, the cranky friend's neighbor who ended up dying.

• 55:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 55:59Bill Simmons?

  He also played Kramer's alter ego in the Seinfeld.

• 56:02Chris Ryan?

  The Bizarro episode?

• 56:03Bill Simmons?

  No, was it the Bizarro episode or the one where they did a TV show about Seinfeld?

• 56:07Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I can't remember.

• 56:08Bill Simmons?

  I think it was that when they did the TV show.

• 56:10Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 56:11Bill Simmons?

  And Kramer didn't get to play Kramer, but somebody else did.

• 56:13Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 56:13Bill Simmons?

  I think that was Larry Hankin. It's been around for a long time.

• 56:16Chris Ryan?

  Carmen Flippy was, uh, or, uh, Philppe was the, uh, bus station bum in, uh,

• 56:21Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 56:22Chris Ryan?

  The homeless man in, in this movie, he was the preacher in Halloween four. Uh, and he's in a bunch of Tim Burton movies.

• 56:30Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one.

• 56:30Chris Ryan?

  And he's in Wedding Singer. Yeah.

• 56:32Bill Simmons?

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• 57:57Bill Simmons?

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• 58:25Chris Ryan?

  I think Dion's-

• 58:26Bill Simmons?

  Spend 10 years of Dion Waiters.

• 58:27Chris Ryan?

  A core part of the philosophy of this pod.

• 58:30Bill Simmons?

  It's also funny that he's been at a basketball for five years.

• 58:33Chris Ryan?

  He, it was, it's a real race to see who people know less, Dion Waiters or, or We Own This City. You know?

• 58:41Bill Simmons?

  Wayne Jenkins?

• 58:43Bill Simmons?

  It might be Dion. Dion Waiters, The Teacher, Vivical Inforce, Tim Robbins, Anthony Edwards as Lance, or The Short Thing. I actually think it's The Teacher.

• 58:52Chris Ryan?

  I think you're right. I, Robbins is right behind them.

• 58:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Robbins is great.

• 58:56Chris Ryan?

  Take good care of yourself. You belong to me.

• 58:59Bill Simmons?

  Why don't you sing it, honey? He's just, he's kind of mad that they're not singing in the back. Recasting Couch Director of City. I love everybody. I wouldn't change a thing.

• 59:09Bill Simmons?

  I, I maybe would identify the college campus and really go hard on like a Georgetown or a Brown or just so we know where we are, but they didn't want to do that.

• 59:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's like a year too late.

• 59:21Chris Ryan?

  It would just be really, it would, it would be really fun if like Tom Cruise was Lance, you know?

• 59:28Bill Simmons?

  Rob Lowe could have been Lance. I'm surprised he wasn't available.

• 59:31Chris Ryan?

  I'm coming from, I'm coming to you cordless.

• 59:37Bill Simmons?

  Craig has a flex category.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Um, I did the, the Rick Dalton, I, I, can I just save it for picking nits?

• 59:44Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Cause I, yeah.

• 59:47Bill Simmons?

  Half fast internet research. Some guy named Robert Bauer played the same character named Moke in this and Spinal Tap.

• 59:55Bill Simmons?

  The scene when Gibb teaches Allison a shotgun of beer was added to the script because Cusack told Reiner this was one of his talents. So I threw it in.

• 1:00:02Chris Ryan?

  Where'd he go?

• 1:00:03Bill Simmons?

  Reiner said he shot at multiple colleges, so it'd be a generic, but obviously Ivy League or NASCAR.

• 1:00:09Chris Ryan?

  I will say, I forgot to put this at what stage the worst is that now that I've lived in California for a little while, like you can tell 90% of the movie is shot in California, even though it's a road movie. And you can be like, oh yeah, this is just Stockton.

• 1:00:23Bill Simmons?

  Gibb is wearing the green and gold kangaroo's jersey of an Australian National Rugby League team of that era. And they just, they gave it to him because they liked the way the jersey looked, but then I guess for the next 10, 20 years, people were mentioning it to Cusack.

• 1:00:38Chris Ryan?

  I just assumed that all T-shirts that John Cusack wears in John Cusack movies are John Cusack's T-shirts.

• 1:00:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Chris Ryan?

  He's always got.

• 1:00:44Bill Simmons?

  Yo, kangaroos. He's like, what? Apex Mountain, Cusack, no. Daphne Zuniga.

• 1:00:53Bill Simmons?

  She's got probably spaceballs the next year.

• 1:00:55Chris Ryan?

  How about Apex Mountain for whatever sexual position Gibbs roommate is pulling?

• 1:01:01Chris Ryan?

  Cause I honestly.

• 1:01:02Bill Simmons?

  He, we should have put him in the unwed.

• 1:01:04Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, I've never seen it before. I don't even know what you would call it. Is that the spelunker? Like, what's he doing?

• 1:01:08Bill Simmons?

  He was the, what do they call them? Skin crawlers or skinwalkers? He was like a skinwalker.

• 1:01:16Bill Simmons?

  You believe in skinwalkers?

• 1:01:17Chris Ryan?

  No, I don't know. What are skinwalkers?

• 1:01:19Bill Simmons?

  They, it's on Instagram. You can, if you follow like any of those weird accounts, they'll start serving you skinwalker stuff.

• 1:01:25Chris Ryan?

  What are you talking about?

• 1:01:26Bill Simmons?

  It's like.

• 1:01:29Bill Simmons?

  It's like the wide shot of like, there's like a security camera at a bank and like a skinwalker walks by. It's like these little skeletons that walk weird. They kind of look like long legs.

• 1:01:38Chris Ryan?

  What does this have to do with a sexual position in the dorm room though?

• 1:01:40Bill Simmons?

  Cause they have like their, their legs are backwards.

• 1:01:45Chris Ryan?

  Bill, what the fuck are you talking about? I've never seen this.

• 1:01:49Bill Simmons?

  You've never seen skinwalkers?

• 1:01:50Chris Ryan?

  No, I've ne, it's just like, like an AI like bit that they do?

• 1:01:53Bill Simmons?

  Obviously I'm following better Instagram accounts.

• 1:01:55Chris Ryan?

  Give me what's like.

• 1:01:56Bill Simmons?

  Although I may be done with Instagram. I'm tired of the AI.

• 1:01:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:59Bill Simmons?

  I'm tired of getting fooled by the AI.

• 1:02:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I saw one the other night of like, I was, I was pretty gripped by it. I got, I got hoodwinked with.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  You got clanked.

• 1:02:07Chris Ryan?

  People in like a.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, clanked.

• 1:02:09Chris Ryan?

  A skyscraper pool, like a pool that like looks out over the sky and then the glass starts to break. And they were like, oh, it's AI. And I was like, fuck dude. I was like, this is pretty good.

• 1:02:18Bill Simmons?

  I saw one where there was a fistfight at a game and the guy got punched and rolled down the stairs and went off the baseball stadium like triple deck.

• 1:02:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like we wouldn't have heard about that.

• 1:02:27Bill Simmons?

  And I was like, I probably would have seen this on SportsCenter if this happened.

• 1:02:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they would have let SportsCenter.

• 1:02:33Bill Simmons?

  Coming up next.

• 1:02:34Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, can you imagine if SportsCenter just became like the chive? And it was just like, it was like an incredible thing that happened.

• 1:02:40Bill Simmons?

  That's what they should do at SportsCenter is just do AI videos.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, crowd fights. It's just ridiculousness.

• 1:02:45Bill Simmons?

  Instead it's like Saturday or Saturday. What do you got first, Jeff?

• 1:02:53Bill Simmons?

  I told Schrager, he's gotta do Peter's Pants.

• 1:02:58Bill Simmons?

  That like, that could be his hook segment.

• 1:02:59Chris Ryan?

  Did he like that?

• 1:03:00Bill Simmons?

  It's time for Peter's Pants.

• 1:03:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Bill Simmons?

  And then he like, has pants.

• 1:03:06Chris Ryan?

  Hannah Storm doing Skinwalker of the Week.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Is a Skinwalker a real thing or a made up name?

• 1:03:12Chris Ryan?

  This is like, this is kind of terrifying, cause he's like, he, I don't know, first of all, how you made that association.

• 1:03:18Bill Simmons?

  You were talking, but his body was like bent in a weird spot.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Where, where did that phrase come from? Is that, what is a Skinwalker?

• 1:03:24Bill Simmons?

  Oh, here's a Skinwalker. Look at dogs barking at the Skinwalker.

• 1:03:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Bill, that's-

• 1:03:29Bill Simmons?

  They're like skeletons.

• 1:03:30Chris Ryan?

  That's a cartoon, man.

• 1:03:33Bill Simmons?

  I'm just telling you, that's, it's on Instagram.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  I don't know what's going on.

• 1:03:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:03:40Bill Simmons?

  Wait, I have more Apex Mountain. Skinwalkers.

• 1:03:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Bill Simmons?

  Anthony Edwards, no.

• 1:03:46Chris Ryan?

  Did you say road trip movies?

• 1:03:48Bill Simmons?

  I was about to.

• 1:03:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Bill Simmons?

  Road trip movies, no.

• 1:03:50Chris Ryan?

  Is it this or Green Book?

• 1:03:52Bill Simmons?

  No, it's been never.

• 1:03:53Chris Ryan?

  Green Book.

• 1:03:56Bill Simmons?

  We gotta stop here, I'm doing some music. Hitchhiking? No.

• 1:04:01Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:04:02Bill Simmons?

  Shotgun in beers? Has it been done better? Has it been a more integral part of a movie plot than this?

• 1:04:08Chris Ryan?

  Do they shotgun beers at Animal House? Am I forgetting that?

• 1:04:11Bill Simmons?

  I like how they bring it back in this, where she does it.

• 1:04:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Bill Simmons?

  In front of her boyfriend.

• 1:04:15Chris Ryan?

  It's really funny.

• 1:04:16Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say yes. Nicola Sheridan, no. Desperate Azov is Rob Reiner.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  She also does, it's, she shotguns it.

• 1:04:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  In real life, I mean, she crushes that.

• 1:04:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  She does a good job.

• 1:04:23Bill Simmons?

  Cold 45?

• 1:04:26Chris Ryan?

  Is he drinking beers just in this guy's car, like at 10 in the morning?

• 1:04:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Chris Ryan?

  That is pretty funny. I'd be pretty, pretty annoyed by that.

• 1:04:33Bill Simmons?

  80's teen movies, no. Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:04:36Chris Ryan?

  I got Hank Spielberg for Cruise.

• 1:04:39Bill Simmons?

  I have Hank Spielberg as well. This would have been a good Tom Hanks movie. Although, you're right, Cruise easily could have been the Anthony Edwards part.

• 1:04:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Bill Simmons?

  Talking to you cordless, buddy?

• 1:04:49Bill Simmons?

  What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I think it's Gibbs buddies.

• 1:04:52Chris Ryan?

  Oh, it's definitely Lance coming to you cordless. And then when Gibbs like, I can't come, he's like, shut the fuck up! Shut up! Shut up!

• 1:05:01Bill Simmons?

  Be like, hey Gib, how's the peeping? Um, picking nits. How did Gib actually get in the cowboy rapist truck?

• 1:05:10Chris Ryan?

  He jumped in the, the truck bed.

• 1:05:12Bill Simmons?

  How did the trucker not know?

• 1:05:13Chris Ryan?

  I think he was more interested in taking off his wedding ring and stuff.

• 1:05:18Bill Simmons?

  Uh, we talked about this, but why is the shirt thing so excited about meeting Gib?

• 1:05:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, we don't know.

• 1:05:24Bill Simmons?

  Pretty sure she has.

• 1:05:25Chris Ryan?

  Makes no sense.

• 1:05:26Bill Simmons?

  Plans every night.

• 1:05:26Chris Ryan?

  And then Lance completely bottles it by being like, he's gay and a virgin. Yeah. When, when it's like.

• 1:05:32Bill Simmons?

  Well, she was trying to, it was a ploy to make her feel bad for him.

• 1:05:36Chris Ryan?

  I guess. It was, it's just such a weird move. The whole thing's a little weird. It actually.

• 1:05:40Bill Simmons?

  Was Lance a good friend?

• 1:05:41Chris Ryan?

  Well, it actually leads me to a possibly unanswerable question, which is, you know, in the beginning of the movie, Gibbs, like I had sex six times in high school, sophomore and junior year mostly. And I'm like, you think he's lying? Do you think Gibbs is a virgin? And that's why he's like, I'm willing to go all the way across the country to get laid.

• 1:05:58Bill Simmons?

  So he's doing the Niagara Falls area?

• 1:06:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Bill Simmons?

  It's like, I had sex six times.

• 1:06:02Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:06:02Bill Simmons?

  But Lance seems to know that he had sex.

• 1:06:04Chris Ryan?

  Lance just seems to be taking his word for it, but I don't think he's like interrogating it much.

• 1:06:08Bill Simmons?

  Cause he seems to think Gibbs like in a slump.

• 1:06:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Chris Ryan?

  Well, he's using all this astronomy pickup lines. I mean, like, start there.

• 1:06:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Outer space, it just never really worked.

• 1:06:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. But then we find out like later, like, you know, that's a.

• 1:06:23Bill Simmons?

  That's when Friends went off the wheels a little bit when Ross was using that with Rachel. He took her to like the astronomy, whatever, to try to get her, it's like, look at the stars.

• 1:06:32Chris Ryan?

  Oh, the, uh. Observatory? Observatory? No, but like, isn't it like the?

• 1:06:37Bill Simmons?

  Astronomy.

• 1:06:37Chris Ryan?

  Planetarium? Planetarium.

• 1:06:40Bill Simmons?

  The edit at the end is very eighties and corny. When she reads the essay, for some reason the class stops, everybody just starts talking. It's just chaos in the class and she comes up to him and it looks like they're about to kiss. And then it cuts to them on the roof.

• 1:06:58Bill Simmons?

  About to kiss.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Bill Simmons?

  And it's just like.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Let him kiss.

• 1:07:02Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:03Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if that one worked. I don't know if we had the technology in 1985 for that.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  The only thing Liz and I were like, oh, I, I think I could have, I could have lived with another couple of minutes. Like it ends so abruptly. It's like this awesome resolution and they're on the roof, they're kissing credits. I could have like.

• 1:07:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Had them exchange a couple of lines or something.

• 1:07:19Bill Simmons?

  But this is your rule.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  But it's only 92 minutes. Like it could have been 94 if you give me a little, I mean, I feel like you build up all the way to this and then it ends. It kind of cuts you.

• 1:07:28Bill Simmons?

  Was this your flex?

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Uh, the, well, yes, that, and then a very small picky mitts. I feel like Gibbs pajamas on this trip are fucking bizarre.

• 1:07:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  He's in like a really like translucent, dirty, white cutoff. That's like almost a V-neck.

• 1:07:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  And like thin capri gray sweats.

• 1:07:47Bill Simmons?

  It's kind of awesome.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Really weird.

• 1:07:50Bill Simmons?

  And she's like, jump on in bed. He also is like, how many clothes did he pack in that duffel bag? He also has a nice suit to wear for dinner. That's like perfectly ironed.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I don't know how much, I don't know how he was able to pull that off. I could have, I could have gone with another like four minutes at the Hawaiian party.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Bill Simmons?

  Like I didn't, we didn't need to just be immediately centered on him versus Alison. Like I could have met a couple of other people.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:08:15Bill Simmons?

  I was almost thinking this could be a Craig rewatchables category. How, how many movies, how many minutes should this movie have been exactly? Cause Craig, it's never, he's never satisfied with the length.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Do you know what though?

• 1:08:27Bill Simmons?

  Even when it's 90 minutes, he's like, I could have gone for another eight.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  I, Truman Show could have been 10 minutes longer. I think this just needs a minute more at the end for the resolution.

• 1:08:34Bill Simmons?

  I just don't know what they need to do there. Cause that's when I think you get into like, it's the graduates, like now what with them, you know, like. Snow, snow football game, real champions.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  That's right. It might even just have been the editing was so quick. Like it was just, they really like get in and get out.

• 1:08:48Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, All Black Cast or Untouchable? You know, there's like definitely a prestige TV kind of something that you could have pulled off with this. I just don't know where it goes.

• 1:09:00Chris Ryan?

  I was trying to think of the other day, like if there are really good road trip TV shows that aren't like Kung Fu. Like there aren't like, the whole point is like this person goes from town to town, but how long could their road trip be? Before it would be like.

• 1:09:13Bill Simmons?

  So could it be like a seven episodes each day is its own episode?

• 1:09:16Chris Ryan?

  It's a long time to be getting into hijinks with these guys.

• 1:09:18Bill Simmons?

  Maybe Untouchable.

• 1:09:19Chris Ryan?

  This is so perfectly paced where you think that they're on the road the whole movie. They don't get into Tim Robbins' car until the 31st minute. You get so much time in college getting like the opposites part before they attract. It's really great.

• 1:09:35Bill Simmons?

  All Black Cast could have worked too. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins?

• 1:09:38Chris Ryan?

  The Grambling thing really worked, you know?

• 1:09:40Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins or everyone else we have in this category?

• 1:09:44Chris Ryan?

  I haven't done Brimley in a while. You know, and I was just imagining like what happens like Allison and Gibber together for a little while and then, you know, here's your Allison. Going down to the mailbox to get her latest copy of Branta or the Paris Review. What does she find instead? She finds heartache Gib, another one of your letters to Penthouse has been published.

• 1:10:07Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Gib gives up his, like, you know, like he, obviously one, I know that's his roommate's letter. But do you think Gib gives up like the writing letters to Penthouse even after him and Allison do the deed?

• 1:10:17Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 1:10:18Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:10:18Bill Simmons?

  I do. I had, I had long legs picking them up with their head checking. Come on in the car, Allison.

• 1:10:26Chris Ryan?

  She's pretty much like, sure, whatever. I gotta get out of here.

• 1:10:28Bill Simmons?

  It seems like you're fighting with that boy. Just want to ask her who gets it?

• 1:10:36Chris Ryan?

  Ryder? Ryder?

• 1:10:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think it's Ryder. Probably an answerable questions. What kind of credit card bill? Was her dad looking at in January?

• 1:10:51Chris Ryan?

  So that dinner alone, it's granted, it's 85.

• 1:10:53Bill Simmons?

  Couple of hotel rooms?

• 1:10:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:57Bill Simmons?

  Some food on the way?

• 1:10:58Chris Ryan?

  Six hundred bucks in 1985?

• 1:11:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, sounds good. And you think, given Allison, you think they made it a year?

• 1:11:07Chris Ryan?

  I think that they maybe make it to first semester sophomore year, but then it really starts to come apart.

• 1:11:12Bill Simmons?

  I think that's fair.

• 1:11:13Chris Ryan?

  That's when intermural football really kicks in a high gear for him.

• 1:11:16Bill Simmons?

  What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I would take the actual essay that closed the movie, whatever the written one would be cool.

• 1:11:23Chris Ryan?

  I would even take the one with the pepperoni stains on it.

• 1:11:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, either one. Coach Finstock Award. By the way, was that handwritten, that essay, right?

• 1:11:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:11:32Bill Simmons?

  We should have put that in what's the most 1985 thing about that movie?

• 1:11:35Chris Ryan?

  People handwriting their essays?

• 1:11:35Bill Simmons?

  Handwriting your work.

• 1:11:36Chris Ryan?

  I didn't see any like word processors or typewriters or anything like that.

• 1:11:39Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lessons. Next time, just take the bus the whole way?

• 1:11:43Chris Ryan?

  Well, I didn't get to this in probably answer the questions. What's the return trip plan? Cause Gibbs, like, I'm broke, I can't fly. So if he's in LA, what's the plan to get back to class in time to start taking tests? Is it?

• 1:11:57Bill Simmons?

  He's borrowing money from Lance. Yeah.

• 1:11:59Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:12:00Bill Simmons?

  Who's at that point has become one of the, one of the best Madams in Hollywood.

• 1:12:05Chris Ryan?

  He's investing in the Clippers.

• 1:12:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Best double feature choice? I had Stand By Me.

• 1:12:12Chris Ryan?

  I have one crazy summary.

• 1:12:13Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah, I like it. And then, uh, who won the movie? It's probably Cusack, but we'll say Reiner.

• 1:12:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, let's say Reiner.

• 1:12:20Bill Simmons?

  For this one. Any last thoughts, Craig?

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Uh, I agree with you. This and Risky Business are probably my two favorite teen movies that I've never seen before. So good.

• 1:12:30Bill Simmons?

  Well, we haven't done Sacred Admire yet. I'll be interested to see how that resonates with you.

• 1:12:35Bill Simmons?

  This is great.

• 1:12:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:36Bill Simmons?

  Maybe this will inspire somebody to just pay for the music and have this stream again.

• 1:12:40Chris Ryan?

  I, I,

• 1:12:41Bill Simmons?

  It's the lost Rob Reiner classic.

• 1:12:42Chris Ryan?

  Can't tell what's, what the deal is here. I guess it must be the soundtrack. Yeah.

• 1:12:47Bill Simmons?

  That's it. R I P Rob Reiner, we're gonna miss you.

• 1:12:50Chris Ryan?

  Good to see you, man.

• 1:12:51Bill Simmons?

  Thanks, C R. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Gao. See you, uh, next time in the rewatchables.