‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan revisit one of the best movies of 2025, Joseph Kosinski’s ‘F1,’ starring Brad Pitt, Kerry Condon, Damson Idris, and Javier Bardem. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®Through the Subaru Share the Love® Event, Subaru and our retailers donate to charity for every new vehicle purchased or leased. Learn more about the charities Subaru and our retailers support at https://Subaru.com/share. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Bill Simmons?

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• 0:43Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables, brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the watch with CR. That's me. This is, is this our third Rewatchables this week? Yes, it's the third published Rewatchables. Are you tired of seeing me? No, I love it, man. You're the reason I get up in the morning. Higher Learning, Midnight Boys, and then... Almost forgot the name of the podcast. The Ringer Tailgate. No, because that was, which is just coming into its own. It is. It's quite a podcast. Billy Gill came in, he shook things up a lot like, uh, who is Beecher's guy in Oz? Who's the, who's the guy that Chris Maloney played? What's that guy's name? When he came in and shook up Oz?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  He shook him, nigga. He shook up Beecher, alright. He shook the shit out of him.

• 1:23Bill Simmons?

  Really did shake him up.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Billy Gill, but his name is The Duke, though. That's his name.

• 1:27Bill Simmons?

  The Duke?

• 1:28Speaker 01

  The Duke.

• 1:29Bill Simmons?

  Like as in Escape from New York?

• 1:30Speaker 01

  That's, that's Billy's nickname.

• 1:32Bill Simmons?

  You are the Duke! That's on the list to redo. This is our last Rewatchables movie of 2025 because we have a very special episode coming a week from now. Um, we're doing a 2025 movie. The second 2025 movie we've done because we've done Sinners. Mm-hmm. A movie that has now been, uh, maligned and shut out of all the critics lists. Dan, you have any feelings on that?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  No, I don't want to get into it. Entertainment Weekly... Put it on its.

• 1:58Chris Ryan?

  Van, I think it's really big of you to come by and do one battle after another rewatchables like this.

• 2:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:02Chris Ryan?

  That's tough.

• 2:03Bill Simmons?

  Coming up next, now, we're doing a F1, the movie is next. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by State Farm. Whether you're debating watching that award winning sports drama or rewatching your comfort buddy comedy movie for the 10th time, choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, a State Farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Go online at statefarm.com or use the award winning app to get help from one of their local agents like a good neighbor. State Farm is there.

• 2:46Bill Simmons?

  All right, F1. I have it as the number one, I can't believe this actually worked out movie of the 2020 CR. Felt like a bust for two years.

• 2:55Chris Ryan?

  Uh, like the, the meter was running on this one for a while. There's some controversial reporting and back and forth between the production and our, our own, our buddy Matt Bellany about how much this movie cost. It was like, this is just, is this just gonna be on my iPhone? Like, what's going on?

• 3:10Bill Simmons?

  And it. Apple's heavily involved. It's like, what do they know about movies?

• 3:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:14Bill Simmons?

  Brad Pitt, maybe at the tail end of seeming realistic as an F1 driver.

• 3:18Chris Ryan?

  Months where it's like, F1 is still shooting. They are shooting like in this country, in that country, at this race. And the strikes and COVID and everything that slowed it down, but.

• 3:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're in like Abu Dhabi, then they're in like.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  All over the place.

• 3:30Bill Simmons?

  Monaco.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Wherever they were having races, yeah. Movie making is a complicated thing, but the story of making the movie should never be complicated. Like, the more complicated the story of making the film is, the more people feel like it's just going to be a disaster. And this was a complicated, from the technology that they needed, from the strikes, from all of the stuff that was going on. It was a very, very complicated production.

• 3:54Chris Ryan?

  I'm glad Van's here because I wanted to sort of lead the conversation with a declaration, which is that I feel the way, the way I'm supposed to feel about Avatar.

• 4:05Chris Ryan?

  I feel that way about F1.

• 4:06Bill Simmons?

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 4:07Chris Ryan?

  Like, this is fucking incredible. How did they do this? This is pushing movie making forward. I don't really care what the story is. This is mind blowing.

• 4:17Bill Simmons?

  Well, a good movie to end 2025 on too, because I do think this was the year we got sucked back into movie theaters.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Sucked back.

• 4:24Bill Simmons?

  Sinners, F1, One Battle, Minecraft.

• 4:27Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 4:28Bill Simmons?

  Conjuring: Last Rites.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Saw that in theaters, yeah.

• 4:31Bill Simmons?

  There were a bunch of movies this year where you're like, I got, I don't want to wait until that's on my TV. I want to go see this. And F1 was a great example. You had to see it on IMAX. It was fucking awesome. I went with my whole family. We did like a 9:30 showing at The Grove.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 4:46Bill Simmons?

  And nobody was on their phone the whole time. Drove home. Everyone was exhilarated. We were like, that's, that's what we want from a movie, right there. And it's good at home to watch it a second time, still good on the TVs. Not as good as in the movie theater, but a classic sports movie has a lot of tropes. But, uh.

• 5:04Chris Ryan?

  Just a thrill ride.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  It's a strangely important movie. Like, just in terms of this type of movie making. Um, a big star-driven 80s style movie.

• 5:17Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  That's about a cultural phenomenon.

• 5:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that catches the cultural phenomenon in time.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Right, so like, we used to have all of these. Like, you had Glimmer the Cube. I mean, these are, some of these aren't big blockbusters, but we used to do these movies. Glimmer the Cube, Skateboarding, Over the Top, Arm Wrestling, all of this stuff. You put a star or emerging star in a movie about a thing and it's a big deal. Then they kind of stopped making those movies.

• 5:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Like, the movies were expected to be something that's more than just like a vapid.

• 5:43Chris Ryan?

  No Holds Barred with Hulk Hogan.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  No Holds Barred.

• 5:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  We could do this, like, so many different films we could talk about, even like Days of Thunder, NASCAR, all of that. Uh, and then they stopped doing them because we could no longer make the movie that's just kind of vapid. It seemed like an affront against the filmmaking gods to make a movie that was just kind of vapid but fun.

• 6:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  And this movie is that. There's not much depth to the film, but the film in the total sum of its parts really, really works and really means something.

• 6:11Chris Ryan?

  I mean, I think that in, in Hollywood, it's all about IP. But Formula One racing and car racing in general is good IP in general. And it's like, I'll go see. Almost any movie where cars race. Like, it's just, it's.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  It's a cinematic thing.

• 6:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, like, I was, I was, went through like a bunch of car racing movies last night and I was like,

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:33Chris Ryan?

  These are all solid.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:34Chris Ryan?

  I was like, I was like, I got no notes, man.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  The Fast and the Furious, cars doing cool shit.

• 6:39Chris Ryan?

  I was watching Grand Prix with James Garner last night. I was like, this rules. Like, I'm like, we can go back to the 60s if you want.

• 6:46Bill Simmons?

  Well, the history, Le Mans, Bobby Deerfield, Days of Thunder, Driven was the only one that didn't work and that had Stallone and Burt Reynolds, Too Late, and Kip Perdue was terrible in it. Talladega Nights, Senna Documentary, Rush, a movie that I love that's on the rewatchables list, Ford and Ferrari, F1, all the fast movies. I was gonna do this later, I'll do it now. I wish I liked real racing as much as I like racing movies.

• 7:12Chris Ryan?

  I know exactly what you mean.

• 7:13Bill Simmons?

  Like, F1 does nothing for me. I, it seems fine. You go, you sit, they, they go by at crazy speeds. I've never cared about Indy 500. I've never cared about NASCAR. I've never cared about anything. But I love racing movies because they're basically awesomely edited races combined with like the behind the scenes stuff. And I, I think that's just where I've landed. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what I want.

• 7:35Chris Ryan?

  What are some other things that you would only prefer to see rendered as movies? Like, you know, you know what I mean? Like, I, like, I don't want to go deep underwater in the ocean.

• 7:45Bill Simmons?

  I would say cooking movies are another one like that.

• 7:47Chris Ryan?

  Cooking, like, like, cooking, like, I don't watch a cooking show.

• 7:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  But whenever there's a part in that movie Chef where, uh,

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Favreau is making, is it a grilled cheese sandwich or something? Well, he makes a grilled cheese sandwich for his son.

• 8:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's like a panini.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  But he makes something for Scarlett Johansson.

• 8:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:08Chris Ryan?

  Oh, he makes her a pasta.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Makes her a pasta. And just him whipping up the pasta and her watching him whip up the pasta, you're like, god damn, I would like to be able to do that. That is incredible.

• 8:18Bill Simmons?

  But you wouldn't have watched it on Instagram for 30 minutes.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna watch it on Instagram.

• 8:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  But it looks cool to watch somebody with the mastery of the kitchen like that. But like, in actuality, I'm not trying to see.

• 8:27Chris Ryan?

  This is what's great about the movies, though. You watch an F1 race and people love F1 and I like F1. I think I had, like, most people, like, my, my short-lived affair with Drive to Survive.

• 8:36Bill Simmons?

  Get up at 6:00 in the morning?

• 8:37Chris Ryan?

  I never did that because I, I'm already up early enough watching soccer. I can't have two global sports that make me wake up at weird times. But I will say that. Like, take, take Color of Money, right? Like, if I was like, let's watch billiards, you'd be like, I'm good. You know, like, there, there's gotta be.

• 8:54Bill Simmons?

  Ben's like, is that tall Asian lady playing?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  You talking about Black Widow?

• 8:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Is the Black Widow playing?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  The Black Widow?

• 9:00Bill Simmons?

  Jeanette?

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Whoever's her name? Jeanette.

• 9:03Bill Simmons?

  Jeanette Lee playing?

• 9:04Speaker 01

  I think she got sick after a while.

• 9:06Chris Ryan?

  But if you watch Color of Money, you're like, billiards is the most exciting cinematic thing anyone could possibly do.

• 9:11Bill Simmons?

  How about ping pong with Marty Supreme?

• 9:12Chris Ryan?

  Of course.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Ping pong, okay, I have to. I do enjoy watching both of those sports.

• 9:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, when I was into pool.

• 9:20Bill Simmons?

  How about, what about darts?

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Uh, darts, I've never, I like, there are sports I like to, I like to watch, like, you know, guys throw axes and then lumberjacks and all that. But, uh, ping pong is the only thing that I don't know that I like watching it until it's actually on. So I would never go watch ping pong.

• 9:38Bill Simmons?

  You'd never seek it.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  But when I see ping pong or table tennis them playing it, it is one of the most amazing things I feel like a human being can do.

• 9:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  To play the sport.

• 9:47Bill Simmons?

  Well, I wrote that, and if I'm paying 30 bucks for a movie, I want, I want the ability to feel.

• 9:54Bill Simmons?

  I wanna feel things. This movie made you feel. It's a human response movie.

• 9:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:59Bill Simmons?

  That first crash, which when we do rewatchable scenes, first time you see it in the theater.

• 10:05Chris Ryan?

  The Monza crash?

• 10:06Bill Simmons?

  When, uh, when JP crashes, you're like, it's like, what, you just can't believe it. And then it's so cool and the way they do it and the way it's shot. I mean, I love that, uh, in 2025, we're still getting better at stuff.

• 10:17Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:18Bill Simmons?

  And I think in this case, we're just getting better. This movie in 1990 was Days of Thunder.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:24Bill Simmons?

  Which is a very cool movie that I like a lot that we've done on the rewatchables. But the, it's night and day when you see some of the shit they did with the cameras.

• 10:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, in some ways, like, in terms of filming movement, I would argue Kaczynski is the first person to push it forward since Tony Scott.

• 10:41Chris Ryan?

  Like in terms of filming like a piece of machinery goings like Top Gun Maverick this. And it's like, he really is an inheritor of some of like his Tony Scott's like stylistic revelations.

• 10:51Bill Simmons?

  The last scene when he's, when he's flying, basically, when Sonny's about to win the race. The first time seeing that in the theater and you kind of knew it was probably gonna happen because he set it up in the monologue, but then when they do it and there's no soundtrack and it's just the sound and it's just Pitt's face and it's just incredibly well done.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  A really easy scene to make corny.

• 11:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  If the background of that happening hasn't been established, if you're not in with Sonny's character all the way.

• 11:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  And also if the movie is any less technically proficient.

• 11:26Bill Simmons?

  See, he did the monologue. I'm gonna redo the Barred Pit face a couple of times.

• 11:31Chris Ryan?

  The coolest thing about that is also.

• 11:32Bill Simmons?

  Everything on the side was left mouth.

• 11:34Chris Ryan?

  The cut to Bardem's face.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Right. So it's like a really.

• 11:37Bill Simmons?

  Bardem had some good celebration acting in this. I always thought the chef in Vision Quest was my number one. There's been a lot of good crowd celebration guys over the years, but I thought Bardem was really, really good.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  I know who my favorite crowd guy is of all time? Put him in a body bag, Johnny. Yeah. That dude was on Johnny Dick.

• 11:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Like he was into it, man. Like that's my favorite crowd guy in any movie.

• 12:02Bill Simmons?

  Godso from Rocky. Go get him, Rocky. He had some good ones. That'd be a good montage, like somebody just doing the 25 best sports movie celebrator crowd guys. Uh, sports movie tropes. We did, you and I talked about this on my podcast. I did not listen to it. So if we over, over, we go back on some of the stuff we talked about, I apologize, but I did grab this from the notes for that. Sports movie tropes, CR. The best that never was.

• 12:29Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 12:32Bill Simmons?

  That was the, I think, the most underrated 30 for 30 we ever did when I was there was the Marcus Dupree one.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Excruciating.

• 12:38Chris Ryan?

  That is also where I met you, was at the screening party for

• 12:41Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 12:42Chris Ryan?

  Marcus Dupree.

• 12:43Bill Simmons?

  And I remember, um, John Hawk, the director of it, he found all this high school footage of Marcus Dupree that we weren't positive existed, or I can't remember how I found it. And then to see that guy, and you do that, this guy was the best that that never was. And then you actually could see the footage of him. But anyway, this is a sports movie trope that, uh, it's kind of undefeated. They, they've used it for action movies in some ways, too, like Roadhouse, Best Cooler, you don't understand how good this guy was. Like, we've seen this over the years, but it works best sports movies. So that's one. Old guy versus new guy. Never, never doesn't work. White and black not getting along and then teaming up.

• 13:23Bill Simmons?

  Seen it? Come on, Van.

• 13:26Chris Ryan?

  Like white man can't jump.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Like white man can't jump. That's the only thing they didn't do.

• 13:30Bill Simmons?

  Let's be honest, it's a trope.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  There's the only thing they didn't do in this movie.

• 13:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  He never looked at him and, and goes, you know what? Your type just can never get to the pure.

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  Oh, but dude, he did, he did kind of get a little heated eye with him.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  He did.

• 13:45Bill Simmons?

  The participation trophy thing?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, but then you have dams to come back and what, what do you mean my type?

• 13:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  And white man can't jump, they just straight up say it.

• 13:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Like, black guys will whether look good and lose, white guys will whether look bad and win. And that's actually funny, but this movie, they were like, let's stay away from it. Times are tough.

• 14:02Bill Simmons?

  The downtrodden team that's about to go under and desperately needs a spark, that always works. The monologue about chasing the something, the one great thing. You know, once upon a time, my dad, when my dad died, he told me blah, blah, blah. Like, you need that one minute something. The big accident monkey wrench, seen that a million times. And then the climactic race, race, fight game.

• 14:26Chris Ryan?

  Can I throw one new, newer one in there?

• 14:28Bill Simmons?

  Gimme.

• 14:29Chris Ryan?

  Uh, this movie gets compared to Top Gun Maverick a lot, same director and kind of like broadly, like some of the same story.

• 14:35Bill Simmons?

  Cruise and pick and switch parts, probably been fine.

• 14:37Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of Moneyball on steroids, though. Because it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins and the

• 14:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the Jigsaw puzzle movie. How do we put together the puzzle?

• 14:49Chris Ryan?

  But it's also like Plan C is the whole, like, it's basically Billy Bean, you know, it's like, well, we can't beat them just straight up. So we have to do all this other stuff to beat them in the

• 14:58Bill Simmons?

  Pitt has that great speech about If I can get one tenth of a second better. And you can.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  You can.

• 15:03Bill Simmons?

  You can.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  That's five seconds.

• 15:05Bill Simmons?

  There's a second. I'm like, yeah, that is a second.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:07Bill Simmons?

  We'll save like 70 seconds.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  There's also one that you missed. They don't do it in this movie, but it still happens in this movie.

• 15:12Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  The, the, this movie doesn't have the scene where Javier Bardem's character is sitting around with the rest of the people and they're like, "We really gotta win." And he goes, "I know one guy."

• 15:26Bill Simmons?

  I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  "I know one guy. I don't know if he'll do it." It's like, that's, it's assumed that that happened. You know, but then you gotta go get this guy out of retirement.

• 15:36Bill Simmons?

  Well, they do have the whole, "How many guys did you call before you got to me?"

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:39Bill Simmons?

  Like a number nine. Seven. That's a good action one, too. A sports movie trope they do not have in this. And they actually have the reverse of it and so much better is that the female, the lead female in this is not like the, "You can't do it. You're gonna die." It turns out she has the coolest job. She's not doing the Adrian. She has a cool job.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:59Bill Simmons?

  And she's a great character. And I think that's one of the reasons this movie's so rewatched by. I love the Carrie Condon scenes. I, I believe the character. I want her to get better. I believe that she's in on Brad Pitt. I want them to end up together at the end. It's just another hard one to pull off. C R loves her. The little spark plug Irish lady.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  You like that type of shit.

• 16:18Bill Simmons?

  And it's C R's wheelhouse.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  You like that type of shit.

• 16:20Bill Simmons?

  C R saw her that big pint in the bar and she's like, "Yes." If she was smoking in this movie, I'd probably leave my wife for her.

• 16:29Bill Simmons?

  She's got a big lung, Virginia Slim. Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Well, you, they make the character, like, you know, aspirational in other ways because in some ways, I mean, she gives up the ass super quick. Just straight up.

• 16:41Bill Simmons?

  I don't know about that. Well, that was a whole season. It was like three, four months.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  They get seven races till they get to Vegas, right? I mean, normally in a, what I'm saying is-

• 16:49Bill Simmons?

  She was sweet on Brad, though.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Normally in a movie like that, the, the virtue of the character is in that she doesn't give up the ass. But then she gives up the ass and then, I mean, she's straight up loving him. She's on the whole thing. She just-

• 17:01Bill Simmons?

  She kissed his shoulder. She really liked him.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  She really liked him.

• 17:03Bill Simmons?

  I think they kinda zoom past the ending that, uh, I think she would have been a little more upset. He was just like, "All right, I'll see you later." I have some stuff about that. I was just like-

• 17:11Speaker 01

  That, that.

• 17:12Bill Simmons?

  "I know we're in love, but I'm going to Baja." Right.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  Come back when you, ring me when you get back, Tiger. No, what? You just out.

• 17:19Bill Simmons?

  Well, one thing I love about this, the casting, and she's really cute, obviously. But I think in the 90s, this just, they just would have picked whoever the best looking actress is and made believe she was this. I really believe that she was trying to put together the perfect car.

• 17:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:33Bill Simmons?

  Um, I also believe that the two would end up together. I don't know. They did a great job. Brad Pitt. So I don't know where this is gonna rank on the best sports movies of the 21st century so far. I may or may not have a list at some point. Not today.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Appreciate it.

• 17:51Bill Simmons?

  But Brad Pitt was in two of those movies regardless of what your list is. Moneyball and F1.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:55Bill Simmons?

  Um, double duty for this. I did when, uh, when you and I did our, or maybe I did this with Wesley. I can't remember. I did it on my pod with somebody, The Four Decades of Brad Pitt. As the leading man in all the arcs where the six stages, basically, up and coming handsome guy. Leading man on training wheels, A-lister, brangelina heyday when he goes to another level of fame. Brangelina swoon. And then in 2019 with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we entered the Brad Pitt as the icon.

• 18:25Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 18:25Bill Simmons?

  When we do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at Astra F1. He got $30 million for this movie and I think he's a big reason why people took it seriously.

• 18:34Bill Simmons?

  Uh, this is now a 35 year career CR. And yet I still feel like people would have Cruise above him. I even think people would have maybe Damon above him.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Are you nuts?

• 18:46Bill Simmons?

  I think Leo would be above him.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Matt Damon?

• 18:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think when people think about the biggest actors.

• 18:50Chris Ryan?

  What are you talking about? It's like a box office draw?

• 18:52Bill Simmons?

  Do you think he gets enough credit? I guess is my question.

• 18:54Chris Ryan?

  I think the thing with Brad Pitt.

• 18:55Bill Simmons?

  Would people throw him out second after Cruise?

• 18:58Chris Ryan?

  No, I think Leo would go second. I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys, it seems like.

• 19:04Bill Simmons?

  He's had more misses.

• 19:06Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, and he takes more swings and he produces more stuff. And I think he also has kind of settled into now finally like Paul Newman, Color of Money era. Like maybe a little younger than Paul Newman was at that point, but is starting to embrace the idea of being like the, like this is the Twilight part of my career and the roles are really great because of that.

• 19:26Bill Simmons?

  What do you think, Van?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  I think that Brad Pitt carved out a Brad Pitt thing that makes him incomparable to a lot of his contemporaries.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  He, his career is really interesting. Like Tom Cruise embodied not just the movie star, but the hyper celebrity.

• 19:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  The whole thing, the entire deal. Brad Pitt became a leading man that was in some big movies, that was in some smaller movies. He became the cool, like A plus actor that just kind of did whatever he wanted to do. He didn't get with Scorsese and do the next 10 Scorsese movies. He didn't do, he just decided that he lived his life in a laissez faire, laissez faire kind of way. And he just did the thing that he thought was the coolest at the time that it was in front of him. And that's really, it doesn't seem like he planned his career out.

• 20:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the big difference between him and Cruise too is that he never picked a character that he played for like more than a couple of movies.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Right, so it, so in that.

• 20:25Bill Simmons?

  Right, he never did his version of Born or that stuff.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  So in the way that Leo said, you know what? I'm going to get to a certain point and I'm going to work with these directors who are just unassailable in the quality of the film. And the way that Tom went, I'm going to give you big budget genre, five, four quadrant type of movies. It just seemed like Brad got a script and went, okay, cool.

• 20:50Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  And he was so Brad Pitt that he could make that work over the course of a whole career.

• 20:54Chris Ryan?

  Bang, let's make it.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Boom, let's do it. Like whatever it is, let, let, let's do it.

• 20:58Bill Simmons?

  So I was going to do this for hottest take later. I'll just do it now. I think that him just crossing paths with Angelina at the time he did was almost like an athlete like tearing an ACL and missing two seasons. I think that sent his career in a different direction. That Brangelina thing became so big. And so it kind of like swallowed up both of them. I think both of their careers, like the kind of movies that they made.

• 21:24Chris Ryan?

  I kind of can't.

• 21:25Bill Simmons?

  They did stuff together, like he has this whole, basically 15 years after Mr. And Mrs. Smith, where I'm not even really sure what happened. And I think part of it was all of a sudden, he was with Angelina Jolie, they have five kids all of a sudden. They're making movies together that weren't really any good. And I do wonder what happened.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Got really into politics.

• 21:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I do wonder what, and he got into producing and did some good stuff. But I feel like there was like three or four more Moneyball type movies for him in there and he just didn't make them. Whereas like Cruise was working all the time.

• 21:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's hard to tell whether or not it's the movie industry that changes or the actor that changes. And maybe Brad Pitt was like, the kinds of movies I'm, I could lead like. At a certain point, he stops being interested in doing movies like Troy. You know what I mean? Like whether it's because he got older or because he didn't want to like be a beefcake, A-list like movie star in that way. He wanted to be more of a character actor and appear in different kinds of stuff.

• 22:17Bill Simmons?

  So he made Benjamin Button and Glorious Bastards and Moneyball, basically. Middle of 2000s through 11. But then his 2012 to 18, Killing Them Softly, Softly Allied, Fury, By the Sea, World War Z.

• 22:35Bill Simmons?

  And produced 12 Years a Slave.

• 22:37Chris Ryan?

  Guys, in retrospect, a couple of those movies are quite good, though.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, if you, if you, if you look at it, like just for the movies that he's in. World War Z ended up being a movie that was kind of a troubled production.

• 22:48Chris Ryan?

  And it was a huge hit.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  But it was, that's a big, huge movie. It's like a gigantic film.

• 22:52Bill Simmons?

  How many times did you watch it?

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Probably like three.

• 22:54Chris Ryan?

  Two or three?

• 22:54Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's, it's, the zombies are really aggressive in it. It's not the easiest watch.

• 22:59Bill Simmons?

  I wasn't a fan.

• 23:01Chris Ryan?

  The outbreak starts in Philly.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:03Bill Simmons?

  Oh, he got it back.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  But look, the Big Short, he's, he's in that, he's, he's, he's an interesting, that's towards the end of the time that you're talking about though. But he's in interesting films here, Glorious Bastards, Benjamin Button, these are interesting movies. He's having an interesting career. Brad After Reading, that's an interesting like choice for, for Brad Pitt at that time in his career.

• 23:22Bill Simmons?

  He has that same Redford quality of like, you could just kind of throw him in anything and it's probably going to work. It's fun to hang out with him. Paul Newman was like that. It's that kind of actor we just don't have anymore. And this is, you know, he's playing a guy in his early 50s, but he's really in his early 60s.

• 23:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Bill Simmons?

  He's doing, got to his shoulders squared. Turned around his lounge.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's interesting to me always to see what performers like this do with that little wilderness period. So like the part that's right over, you guys know what I'm talking about, you know, you're in the league, you're averaging.

• 23:58Chris Ryan?

  You'd already made like a bunch of awesome movies.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then like when you get down to 26, 25, 24, it's how, when, how they navigate that point until they become elder statesmen. Oh my God, look, they're taking a chance. How they navigate that is always interesting.

• 24:13Bill Simmons?

  Cruise just went into franchises.

• 24:15Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  But he really struggled for a while too.

• 24:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I think Damon's had the most interesting approach to it. Where he, he seems to make a combination of like big choices, smart big things, and then like kind of weird, cool swings. And just doesn't seem to care what hits and what doesn't.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Can we come back to this real quick? You think that Matt Damon is fucking with Brad Pitt in any way, shape or form?

• 24:37Bill Simmons?

  I think it's an interesting one because if you go, if you go the seven, I think the seven movies that Brad Pitt made over the last four decades. That probably have the, the longest tail.

• 24:49Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:50Bill Simmons?

  Seven, Fight Club, Ocean's Eleven, Bastards, Moneyball, Once Upon a Time in F1. I think would be the seven.

• 24:58Chris Ryan?

  I'll hear that.

• 24:59Bill Simmons?

  So the question for me is, could Matt Damon top that with his best seven?

• 25:03Chris Ryan?

  I think if you're counting Odyssey next year.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Which we can't because we haven't seen it.

• 25:07Bill Simmons?

  Kind of departed.

• 25:08Chris Ryan?

  Just like for, for the sake of.

• 25:09Bill Simmons?

  Good Will Hunting.

• 25:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Martian.

• 25:11Bill Simmons?

  Bourne.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 25:12Bill Simmons?

  Like he's, his seven versus Pitt's seven is a pretty good battle.

• 25:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:16Bill Simmons?

  And they probably made the same amount of money and the same amount of movies.

• 25:20Chris Ryan?

  Things where it's like, they'll just be like, I'm, I'm getting behind Kenneth Flanagan or for Brad Pitt, he gets behind Andrew Dominic or whatever.

• 25:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think it's close.

• 25:27Chris Ryan?

  They picked their directors and they, what are you laughing at?

• 25:29Speaker 01

  It's absurd.

• 25:31Bill Simmons?

  You think?

• 25:32Speaker 01

  No way.

• 25:32Chris Ryan?

  Matt Damon is just not on Brad Pitt's level?

• 25:34Speaker 01

  No, I think Matt Damon is-

• 25:36Bill Simmons?

  You think I'm being a Boston homer?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Of course, but I think, I think Matt Damon-

• 25:40Bill Simmons?

  Shots fired at Matt Damon.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  I think Matt, Matt Damon is fantastic.

• 25:44Bill Simmons?

  Oscar winner.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Is an Oscar winner. Matt Damon is fantastic. If you were to, to use those movies as a metric, you could probably pull out, I bet there's probably more people that if we talk about guys that have been around this long, you could probably, if you just pull seven movies, I bet you could also do that for Ben Affleck. I bet you could in terms of Brad Pitt, if you just pull seven movies. But if you talk about the space that they take up in culture, how they're regarded, just overall how audiences respond to them, I think that Brad Pitt is in a different level than Matt Damon is.

• 26:16Bill Simmons?

  Forgot about Mr. Ripley.

• 26:18Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:19Bill Simmons?

  Who do you think's the better actor?

• 26:22Chris Ryan?

  I think Matt Damon has a little bit more range.

• 26:24Bill Simmons?

  Me too.

• 26:24Chris Ryan?

  I think, but-

• 26:26Bill Simmons?

  But Pitt feels more like a movie star.

• 26:28Chris Ryan?

  It's tough. It's like, I also think like-

• 26:31Bill Simmons?

  It's interesting in Ocean's Eleven, Pitt has kind of the more outsized role than Matt Damon does.

• 26:35Chris Ryan?

  They have very similar, they have very similar things going on where like every once in a while, like they'll be like the supporting character in something, like it's, it's, it's a really tough conversation.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Don't want to be argumentative. I just do not disagree. I just, I just-

• 26:48Bill Simmons?

  I like when we argue. I don't like when we agree.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  I think that if you look at-

• 26:51Bill Simmons?

  You hate Boston, it's fine.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  At the, at the full, I can't wait for you, well, never mind, the full range of the roles.

• 26:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Like from Twelve Monkeys, all the way to cool leading man in F1. I don't know how we could say definitively-

• 27:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but we could do that with, with Damon. We could do like Courage Under Fire through Bourne.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Courage Under Fire.

• 27:13Bill Simmons?

  How about School Ties?

• 27:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  How about School Ties?

• 27:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  As we're talking about, okay-

• 27:18Bill Simmons?

  Anti semi 1940s football player, who was better?

• 27:21Speaker 01

  The tough, tough, tough, tough role to get in character for, for a guy from Boston. He didn't, he had no one to study.

• 27:30Bill Simmons?

  Shit's fire.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Like, he had no one to study.

• 27:31Bill Simmons?

  I'll be running to Matt Damon now.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  He's a fantastic performer. I'm just saying, I think Brad's probably, he's certainly a bigger movie star, in my opinion, but I also think that-

• 27:40Bill Simmons?

  Well, I think the Angelina thing made him a bigger movie star, though. He wasn't until that happened, that vaulted him into A+dom. Whereas Matt, on the other hand, got married, you'd never hear anything about him. He's been married for like 20 years. He's like intentionally low profile. Okay, so Brad was like, here I am, I'm dating the hottest actress we have. Off the back of dating Jennifer Aniston. Yeah. Right. And Gwyneth Paltrow, and whoever, all the other people we dated.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  The only problem with this is also when we were talking about Brad Pitt's movies, we left out Mr. and Mrs. Smith. But the only problem with this is that they met on a film where they were together in that film, and it was Brad Pitt as the star of this big gigantic action movie.

• 28:21Bill Simmons?

  That would have been a good, how would Vin Lathan get out of this one?

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Uh, you can't get out of it.

• 28:24Bill Simmons?

  You dating Angelina, and you doing a movie with Angelina Jolie in 2004.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  That's actually-

• 28:29Bill Simmons?

  Where were you? I called you in your trailer. Oh, I went to get an espresso. I didn't hear the phone.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Poor thing. I still feel bad for Jennifer Aniston after that.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  It's a tough one.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  It's a tough one.

• 28:39Bill Simmons?

  Speaking of, uh, Sonny, Sonny, uh, what was Sonny Hayes? Sonny Hayes. Great name.

• 28:46Bill Simmons?

  I made in, uh, I wanted to move to, to, uh, Danson.

• 28:51Bill Simmons?

  The athletes that captured the decade the best, if we're gonna make a list going back to the 70s. Athlete in, athletes in movies? Movie athlete. Okay. Nick Nolte in North Dallas 40.

• 29:05Bill Simmons?

  70s.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Grizzled football.

• 29:08Bill Simmons?

  China, tell us where football's going. 1980s, Ivan Drago, Rocky IV. Cold War. We'll do anything for an edge. Put more steroids in me. 1990s, it's either Rod Tidwell or Willie Beaman, I'm not sure who. Maybe Willie Beaman, but you could also talk me into Rod Tidwell. Okay. Realistic, the most realistic version of an athlete I've seen in a movie. Says something about the 90s in general when you look back, it's like, that's a very 90s character.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  But also with Tidwell, a very three-dimensional character.

• 29:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Like a family man and all of that stuff.

• 29:43Bill Simmons?

  My favorite sports movie character.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:45Bill Simmons?

  Um, 2000s, Tim Riggins, Any Given Sunday.

• 29:48Chris Ryan?

  Friday Night Lights?

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:51Chris Ryan?

  I'm sorry, Friday Night Lights. I wrote down any given Sunday. Tim Riggins, Friday Night Lights.

• 29:54Bill Simmons?

  From the TV show?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, and the movie.

• 29:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the movie, okay.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Which one was Tim Riggins in the movie?

• 29:58Chris Ryan?

  Garrett Hedlund.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 30:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  His dad?

• 30:02Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Being mean to him. Tim McGraw putting the thing.

• 30:05Chris Ryan?

  But then he comes up and puts the ring on his finger.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Duh. Bruh, that, that, that movie, I know you guys are obsessed with the television show.

• 30:14Chris Ryan?

  No, the movie's great.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  That movie is perfect.

• 30:17Chris Ryan?

  It's the best halftime speech ever given.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Like, that, that's a perfect.

• 30:20Chris Ryan?

  What?

• 30:20Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Pacino is pregame.

• 30:23Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, also, I would put Billy Bob saying forever's about to happen, like, up against.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Man, he looks at those boys and without even raising his voice goes, you know, my heart, I got goosebumps, like, my heart is full. I've done everything that I can.

• 30:40Bill Simmons?

  It's Pacino and Billy Bob in the finals.

• 30:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, when's, is the miracle speech?

• 30:45Bill Simmons?

  I don't know when the last time you watched Any Given Sunday.

• 30:48Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I watched it regularly.

• 30:50Bill Simmons?

  It's kind of in the Pluto rotation right now, just saying.

• 30:53Chris Ryan?

  Are you, are you?

• 30:54Bill Simmons?

  Been popping on Pluto.

• 30:55Chris Ryan?

  Do you have eyes for other free streaming services besides Tubi?

• 30:58Bill Simmons?

  Been on Pluto.

• 30:59Chris Ryan?

  Tubi.

• 31:01Bill Simmons?

  And, uh, the halftime, the pregame's great. And the cutting to Fox, and he starts moving toward Pacino. Great stuff. Uh, I have Riggins for here because movie and TV show. That was when we started to realize, oh, IP could be all over the place. 2010's, uh, Adonis Creed. 2020's, Josh Pierce in F1. I love how they do the social. I think his whole backstory with his, his mom and his handler and how he's trying to basically be a star when he hasn't done anything yet, how he approaches his public persona. It's the best I've seen in a movie this decade, I think, for where we are in the 2020's with social media.

• 31:43Chris Ryan?

  We'll just have to wait for the Puka Nakua story.

• 31:52Bill Simmons?

  Vance trying to close the deal on it right now.

• 32:01Bill Simmons?

  But this Josh Pierce character on paper might have not worked and it worked really well. So why did it work?

• 32:07Chris Ryan?

  Super charming, uh, obviously he's from, uh, like broke big with Snowfall, but, um, I don't know, he has a limited amount of screen time in this movie compared to Pitt. Like there's clearly like other stuff, I think that they shot like a whole love interest with him that they left.

• 32:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they cut it out completely. I didn't realize that.

• 32:27Chris Ryan?

  And the fact that you can still piece together who he is and he, he has to say things like, I had to climb a mountain to get here and really sell it. You know, like that's his, basically his exposition. And it really works. He's a really, really dynamic performer.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Character works for the same ru- uh, reason that the movie works. Like, uh, the movie assumes that you know who he is. Which is why they could cut a lot of that stuff out. The movie assumes that you realize that it's tough for a kid coming from where he's from to, to achieve in F1. The movie even assumes that you understand his talent, cause we never really see it. They basically just tell us over and over and over again that he could be a great driver.

• 33:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  But we don't really get anything on screen to demonstrate that to us. But that character, that archetype of it's all right there in front of you, but you, you're distracted by bullshit.

• 33:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  The movie assumes you know that character.

• 33:23Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of interesting. One of my favorite parts about this movie is that there, it's not like JP is Luke Skywalker. And they're like, we just need the right mentor.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:32Chris Ryan?

  To get this kid. It's like, he's pretty good. You know, F1 is really a li- like a lot about the car, right? As, as my understanding is that the cars are kind of like.

• 33:41Bill Simmons?

  And that, and it seems like the teamwork is important.

• 33:43Chris Ryan?

  And the teamwork is important.

• 33:45Bill Simmons?

  Being the leader.

• 33:45Chris Ryan?

  But it's like, they only really bonds. Once, then they backslide and then they bond one last time and JP sacrifices for them.

• 33:53Bill Simmons?

  They do a great job with the, uh, the morning jog. Yeah. And continue to come back to that and there's more and more people and then eventually JP's leading the jog.

• 34:01Chris Ryan?

  But see.

• 34:02Bill Simmons?

  They don't bang you over the head with it.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  That to me is why I say this is eighties and nineties movie making is cause Henske is so good at this stuff.

• 34:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  It's cause you usually just have that scene. You used to have that scene of somebody getting up in the morning, stretching and they're doing it by themselves and then all of a sudden somebody else is there and then also, and you see it. Rather than somebody having to give a long speech about the importance of togetherness.

• 34:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  And then like by the end of it, you get that there's something that happened between all of these people that brought them together. We'll have to be, it does be belabored.

• 34:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that, this movie's long, but I don't feel like it's long when I'm watching. Even like some of this, uh, pitches like in his hotel room or whatever, flicking the cards. Kinda needs it, like that, like it has like a nice, the right kind of pace to it.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Talk about that later, flicking of cards, a lot of things I gotta talk about.

• 34:48Bill Simmons?

  Five decades of Bruckheimer.

• 34:50Chris Ryan?

  I was, I'm glad you're bringing this up.

• 34:54Bill Simmons?

  How many rewatchables do you think we've done of Jerry Bruckheimer?

• 34:56Chris Ryan?

  Ten.

• 34:58Bill Simmons?

  What do you think, Ben?

• 35:00Bill Simmons?

  We've done four hundred and seventeen movies.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Oh, so it's gotta be. A Bruckheimer?

• 35:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. No, no, we've done four.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, overall, so I'm saying what, fifteen, twenty?

• 35:10Bill Simmons?

  Sixteenth.

• 35:11Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:12Bill Simmons?

  So we've done Gigolo, Thief, American Gigolo, Thief, Cop One and Two, Top Gun, Days of Thunder, Crimson Tide, Dangerous Minds, Bad Boys, Con Air, Face Off, Armageddon, Enemy of the State, Remember the Titans and Top Gun Maverick and F1. Fucking bangers. I, I feel like we should have a picture of him in the, uh, in the studio here. This is, uh, eighties, nineties, two, that's five decades of him.

• 35:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:38Bill Simmons?

  And his two thousand teens weren't great, he's basically doing the Pirates sequels and Lone Ranger and then kinda gets his mojo back this decade.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Lone Ranger, yep.

• 35:45Chris Ryan?

  So many people have gotten distracted, decided to become tech moguls.

• 35:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Chris Ryan?

  Start political action committees, do whatever they're doing when they're movie producers. This guy's just like, I, I do one thing and I do better than anybody else in the world. It is, this movie is really a monument to producing. From, when you think about the amount of money that must have changed hands to make this movie, the amount of negotiating that must have had to happen with all the different countries they're shooting in, with the strikes happening, with COVID restrictions. And Jerry Bruckheimer's got like fucking 15 new cameras inside of F1 cars.

• 36:19Bill Simmons?

  He's getting Apple to make him like these inch sized cameras.

• 36:22Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's just, it's, that's what movie producers are supposed to do.

• 36:26Bill Simmons?

  I look at him. Take some fucking lessons, Van.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's true. I look at him and I bet he calls movies pictures. And that's the kind of producers I like. I like it when they say, picture. We're working on a big picture here.

• 36:37Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  He's one of the last, one of the guys that says, hey, I'm getting Brad Pitt and Kaczynski together and we're doing this racing picture. Like, the guys that put shit together, get shit done. It's about putting guys together and letting them get their talents off on the screen. And you'll do anything for the movie.

• 36:55Chris Ryan?

  Because of like the preponderate, like the amount of visual effects and like the amount of stuff you can do inside of a computer now. And also just because of the last couple of years in the industry, when you watch movies now, you're kind of like, oh, I can see they tried to save money here, like for whatever reason, like in any movie.

• 37:11Bill Simmons?

  You didn't get this feeling once during F1?

• 37:13Chris Ryan?

  When you watch F1, you're like, how much this fucking movie costs? Jesus Christ.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  But to be honest with you though, if people out there are wondering what a good producer does.

• 37:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  It's exactly what he's talking about. A movie that's well-produced, you cannot see the seams. That is what a well-produced movie is. A well-directed movie maintains the dramatic tension and the narrative from the beginning all the way to the end, with every scene kind of adding to that. A well-produced film, you can't see the seams.

• 37:42Chris Ryan?

  It's almost like he was like, let's spend more money. You know what I mean? And that's kind of cool. Like, why? Because you're like, you're getting it back in your movie ticket.

• 37:49Bill Simmons?

  Bruckheimer's like, yo, Kaczynski, uh, gonna have to shoot that final scene in Saudi Arabia, it looks like. And we gotta put the sheiks in as we're handing the trophy, but we get an extra $15 million to spend.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  I do it.

• 38:01Bill Simmons?

  Kaczynski's like, great.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  It's for the picture.

• 38:03Bill Simmons?

  It's for the picture. Uh, great job by him. There's a couple we haven't done from him. We never did Flashdance.

• 38:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh, wow.

• 38:11Bill Simmons?

  We didn't do Black Hawk Down, Quentin Tarantino's favorite movie of the 21st century.

• 38:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:16Bill Simmons?

  We didn't do Gone in 60 Seconds.

• 38:19Chris Ryan?

  Kind of.

• 38:19Bill Simmons?

  And we didn't do Bad Boys 2, which we've discussed for like three years.

• 38:23Chris Ryan?

  Are you saving that?

• 38:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I don't, we just haven't done it yet.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  When you guys do Black Hawk Down, because I'm not gonna be on that one, when you guys do Black Hawk Down.

• 38:30Chris Ryan?

  You're not gonna be on it because of.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Nah, just, it's not my type of deal. But when you do.

• 38:34Bill Simmons?

  Will you be on the Oz Season 1 rewatch?

• 38:36Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 38:37Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  But you guys, it should be you guys, and then you should bring in somebody from Special Operator YouTube. There's this one guy I watch, it's like Valhalla guy, he's a special operator. Do you guys follow what's going on in the special operator community?

• 38:51Bill Simmons?

  I actually probably do.

• 38:53Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, I'm surprised I don't know the guy you're referencing.

• 38:57Bill Simmons?

  Ciara and I have spent a lot of time in the Providence Reddit scene the last five days.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  I love.

• 39:02Bill Simmons?

  Tatted off some shit.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  I love listening to special operators talk about like what they need to be effective on a mission out. If you guys do it, bring in a special operator to talk about it. Bring in Valhalla.

• 39:13Bill Simmons?

  The F1 stuff in this movie, based on the 2023 Formula One season, filmed in 23 and 24. There was a bidding war in late 2021 for the movie. It had Pitt, Bruckheimer, Kaczynski, and Ethan Kruger, the guy who wrote it. Lewis Hamilton was a producer.

• 39:30Chris Ryan?

  Aaron Kruger.

• 39:31Bill Simmons?

  Aaron Kruger.

• 39:31Chris Ryan?

  He's an interesting writer.

• 39:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Chris Ryan?

  It's an interesting collection of friends.

• 39:34Bill Simmons?

  Sorry, Kruger. Apple won the thing for 130, 140 million. Gave Pitt 30 of it.

• 39:43Bill Simmons?

  Pitt and Damson did all the driving up to 180 miles an hour, and then they tapped out after that.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  So Damson had to part of getting the role with him.

• 39:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he had to beat out. And unfortunately, this movie just happened, so there's really no great casting what-ifs for it, so I'm just gonna assume.

• 39:59Chris Ryan?

  There was apparently like a huge.

• 40:00Bill Simmons?

  Huge bunch of people trying to get it.

• 40:02Chris Ryan?

  For, for the JP role.

• 40:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Aaron Kruger did Arlington Road, Ranger Games, The Ring, three Transformer movies, and Top Gun Maverick.

• 40:11Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 40:12Bill Simmons?

  It's a good career.

• 40:13Chris Ryan?

  It's worth noting that.

• 40:13Bill Simmons?

  On top of a whole bunch of other stuff.

• 40:15Chris Ryan?

  Is a, after the film, there is an additional literary. Contributions credit for Aaron Sorkin.

• 40:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 40:23Chris Ryan?

  Christopher Storr and.

• 40:25Bill Simmons?

  Uncredited.

• 40:25Chris Ryan?

  Jez Butterworth and Kara Smith.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Cleaning up some dialogue?

• 40:28Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I think.

• 40:29Bill Simmons?

  That's where you want to get to in life as a screenwriter where they're like, here's 500 grand, can you just read this script and send us like 10 notes?

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, clean up a little dialogue. Hey, I've talked about it before, I can't, Arlington Road, underrated.

• 40:43Bill Simmons?

  I like it too. Kaczynski broke through, he'd been around for a while, but broke through with Top Gun Maverick in 22. He understands me, CR.

• 40:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he knows what you like.

• 40:52Bill Simmons?

  He understands what I want.

• 40:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Bill Simmons?

  He understands what I want in a movie and he's done two of the only rewatchables ever that we've done in the same year the movie came out.

• 40:59Chris Ryan?

  We'll probably do another one when Miami Vice comes out.

• 41:01Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that, I mean, we'll be doing that from the theater. We just haven't got a house with a camera on.

• 41:06Chris Ryan?

  He's the only person who's ever made a movie that we've done the rewatchables the week it came out, right? Didn't we do Top Gun Maverick really soon after it came out?

• 41:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, because we both went nuts.

• 41:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Also directed one of the greatest commercials of all time.

• 41:19Chris Ryan?

  What's that?

• 41:20Speaker 01

  You guys remember the Gears of War commercial where it was, is that a R E M song? What's the song? The, the song, no, Tears for Fear song.

• 41:27Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Everybody Wants to Rule the World?

• 41:29Speaker 01

  No, it's, uh, who makes this? I don't know who makes.

• 41:31Chris Ryan?

  Hill Shelter?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  No, the song is called, we're just gonna go through all these records.

• 41:34Chris Ryan?

  It's obviously a, a commercial that stayed with you.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:37Bill Simmons?

  Great story.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  It's called Mad World.

• 41:40Bill Simmons?

  Mad World, yeah.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Mad World, shut the fuck up. It's called Mad World, the Gears of War commercial.

• 41:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  He did that.

• 41:46Bill Simmons?

  Mad World.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think, like, this is a really important movie for him because it's the, now he is, to me, the big budget action guy.

• 41:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, well, $200 million budget at least, made over 600 million so far. It's at like 630 as we record this, so I think he's got a.

• 42:06Chris Ryan?

  It's also like gonna be the now flagship movie of Apple for five years, probably.

• 42:11Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's the other thing, and we could have put this in.

• 42:14Chris Ryan?

  Like every time you turn on Apple TV, the first thing you see is.

• 42:16Bill Simmons?

  It's still there. I went to go find it to re-watch it this week and, and there it was, just staring at me. Um, I don't know what category that fits in for the rewatchables, but it gave Apple. Movie credibility that it just didn't have. It was a big bet. They were kind of, they felt like they were just stupid money. Um, people taking advantage of them in some ways. And then this movie changed the calculus of it and then ended up with them getting F1 recently. Um, the actual sport that is going to now be on Apple.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  So before this, Apple had put out, uh, uh, the Ridley Scott one, Napoleon.

• 42:49Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  I think that movie was, when you go and watch that film. First of all, it is, Ridley Scott is obviously fantastic, but the movie itself is just a mess. It doesn't, it seems like it's something that's overawed, it's overspent. It's the entire deal, it doesn't seem like there was actually real craft in the filmmaking there. It's precisely the type of movie that some, that Apple would not want to make.

• 43:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  It, it, it looks like a film made by like a big streamer with no constraints on anything.

• 43:21Bill Simmons?

  And they had a few of those.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  And this movie looks like the opposite. It looks like a movie that even though they spent a ton of money, that everything was done with such care and such craft that it solidifies them as people who know how to make good films.

• 43:35Bill Simmons?

  Also, I think we've seen some success this year with, we'll release the movie in the theaters for a few weeks and then it'll be on our service and we're going to win two As. Cause we saw it one battle, we saw it with Sinners, saw it this movie, saw it with Weapons. Um, this formula that people thought, well, that doesn't make sense. Why am I going to go see in the theater if it's also going to be available for free? And it wasn't. So this was, uh, this was eighth worldwide in 2025. It was as big as Superman, Van.

• 44:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:04Bill Simmons?

  Take that fucking Superman loser.

• 44:06Chris Ryan?

  It's an interesting development though.

• 44:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, have some of that. It was Pitt's biggest film ever. Worldwide at least. It surpassed Cars 2 as the highest grossing sports film worldwide. Is Cars 2 a sports movie? Isn't that animated?

• 44:20Chris Ryan?

  Isn't it animated?

• 44:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Chris Ryan?

  I mean.

• 44:22Bill Simmons?

  That was in my research. Cars 2 was the biggest sports movie. It's like, what? I don't know what the actual biggest one is. Uh, I forgot to mention soundtrack by Hans fucking Zimmer.

• 44:33Chris Ryan?

  And the Hansettes.

• 44:34Bill Simmons?

  Coming at John Williams now, has John Williams in his sights.

• 44:39Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Rod Drebert did not review this movie because he's been dead for like 10 years. Do you think he would have liked it? So I looked up some of his racing reviews. He gave Rush four stars. Days of Thunder two. Top Gun two and a half. I didn't do the chat GPT to find out what he would have thought.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  I was about to ask.

• 44:58Bill Simmons?

  No, Ben gets uncomfortable. You got uncomfortable last time.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  No, I didn't.

• 45:01Bill Simmons?

  No, I do.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I use chat GPT all the time. Look at this.

• 45:04Bill Simmons?

  All right.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  Dog population estimate in the world, college football scandals. Explain to me sovereign AI. What is a hostile takeover? All kinds of violent history of the KKK. This is what I asked.

• 45:14Bill Simmons?

  You could just Google that, though.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  But chat GPT does it better.

• 45:17Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I think Rod would have given this three stars. Too long racing scenes. Incredible. I said three stars as well, and I think he would have paid special tribute to Carrie Condon and how she was a well-developed female character.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  The floor is three stars because the movie making is so great.

• 45:31Bill Simmons?

  I know.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:32Bill Simmons?

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• 46:15Bill Simmons?

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• 46:43Bill Simmons?

  All right, guys. I have a few here. I'm gonna try to zip through them.

• 46:46Chris Ryan?

  All right.

• 46:47Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene, the opening scene, Sonny in a trailer? Is this Cliff Booth? Is he back?

• 46:52Chris Ryan?

  It's just such a great character introduction.

• 46:55Bill Simmons?

  The Led Zeppelin just coming in, they're like, not only have we spent a lot of money in this movie, we got fucking Led Zeppelin.

• 47:03Chris Ryan?

  Dude, when you see this shit in IMAX,

• 47:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Chris Ryan?

  and Whole Lot of Love starts, and then he dunks his face in an ice bath, and then he's like 24 hours in Daytona, Shea Wiggum.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  You're fucking go. And another thing, you ready to go, hey, he's sleeping, and then the person says, five minutes

• 47:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  until you have to get into one of those death machines and race around. You just right away know so much about the character.

• 47:28Bill Simmons?

  And then he gets out of the car and he goes, lose that lead, lose that lead or I'll kill you.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:34Chris Ryan?

  Puts a bunch of zins in.

• 47:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Spend your whole life starting over, Sonny. Anyway. Uh, next one. Sonny shows up,

• 47:45Bill Simmons?

  does the I can get within one second a JP challenge. Flips the car at the end, but he made it. Enjoyable. sizing each other up. Some good sizing, some good sizing in this movie.

• 47:56Chris Ryan?

  Didn't super understand that. Like, it seemed like he had like, one good sector, but stalled once and then crashed.

• 48:02Bill Simmons?

  They're like, that's our guy. He's 52 and he crashed.

• 48:07Chris Ryan?

  I also really like when, uh, when they're like, is he auditioning? He's like, no, he's auditioning us.

• 48:16Bill Simmons?

  That is a trope.

• 48:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:18Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I have Sonny and Kate having a beer

• 48:20Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:21Bill Simmons?

  right into the Rocky IV training montage.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Training montage is great.

• 48:24Bill Simmons?

  It's like JP's doing the new school version, but there's, there's our guy Sonny, old school, just doing pull-ups.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  We, we never, we don't talk about that trope.

• 48:33Bill Simmons?

  Old school, new school, training montage?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  New school, training.

• 48:36Bill Simmons?

  Stallone invented that shit.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  They invented it, yeah.

• 48:39Bill Simmons?

  I can't, I gotta say, CR's been in my life for so long. That when the two beer scene, for some reason, I just think of CR immediately as I'm watching it. I'm like, CR would have loved this, watching this girl with a big pint.

• 48:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:52Bill Simmons?

  And if she pulled out a cigarette, like you said earlier, I think it would have been all over. Good. We don't get a lot of pint scenes anymore.

• 48:59Chris Ryan?

  It's also a very idyllic pub on a, on a canal. Like it's just a beautiful, beautiful pub.

• 49:04Bill Simmons?

  They look great.

• 49:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they look awesome.

• 49:06Bill Simmons?

  I mean, neither of them's really drinking the beer. No.

• 49:09Chris Ryan?

  Yes. I wondered if that was a-

• 49:11Bill Simmons?

  She leaves, it's like, just that much is gone.

• 49:13Chris Ryan?

  I wondered if that was a F1 thing, because the only person who's really drinking alcohol in this movie is Tobias Menzies. And everybody else is kinda having non-NA beers.

• 49:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. You know, we're this deep into the pod, we haven't really talked about this movie as a function

• 49:31Chris Ryan?

  Of F1 propaganda.

• 49:32Bill Simmons?

  Of F1 propaganda, commercial stuff. I mean, every single driver's in it. I didn't want, I didn't want to spend too much time on that because there was so much written and discussed about it when the movie came out. But it is, we probably should know about it.

• 49:43Chris Ryan?

  It's a two and a half hour commercial for F1.

• 49:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I mean, Lewis Hamilton's in the end, nobody's a villain. But Lewis Hamilton is part of the filmmaking team. Yeah. And no, there's no, nothing like Ferrari is the bad guys, or Red Bull are the bad guys. There are no bad guys.

• 49:55Chris Ryan?

  Although I will say, interestingly enough, I'm sure we're gonna get to this at some point, the F1 community kinda mixed on this movie.

• 50:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Surprisingly.

• 50:03Chris Ryan?

  And some of the drivers even were just like, eh.

• 50:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, some people didn't even go to the screenings.

• 50:07Chris Ryan?

  They have to be, like Carlos Sainz has to get passed, you know what I mean? Like Max gets passed by these dudes, like.

• 50:13Bill Simmons?

  I'm interested, cause I saw that in the research too. I'm interested in what they would have wanted. Yeah, but that's the thing, like if somebody, it's like when they made that rom-com about the place that seemed like Grantland. And we're like, you fucking guys, does that sound like that? We wouldn't have, my office wouldn't be that nice. What is this movie?

• 50:31Chris Ryan?

  What was Glenn Powell movie, right?

• 50:32Bill Simmons?

  It was the Glenn Powell movie with, uh, Zoe Dorch. They were working, uh, and they admitted it was like based on like a Grantland type of place. And it was like so much nicer than Grantland in the office. We just had like-

• 50:45Chris Ryan?

  We worked on top of verbal.

• 50:46Bill Simmons?

  People crammed together, yeah.

• 50:49Bill Simmons?

  So, oh, I forgot in the beer thing, this was another like mini trope. They're saying Sonny isn't a has been, he's a never was. It's like I've heard that line before. I don't know. There, there's some lines where it's like, oh, this definitely got pulled out AI. Next scene, Sonny exploits the rules by causing minor crashes.

• 51:09Chris Ryan?

  Plan C, baby.

• 51:10Bill Simmons?

  To get JP into the top 10. I, I'm just gonna do this as a nitpick now. Can you do this?

• 51:17Chris Ryan?

  Uh, there, I, I don't think so to the extent that they do it.

• 51:21Bill Simmons?

  It's probably why the F1 people didn't like this.

• 51:23Chris Ryan?

  Well, I think when you read like, like I was reading reviews of the movie in F1 and auto racing magazines. And they were like, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. No one would ever do this. You couldn't do that. So I think if you're a general fan of, like, if you're obviously a movie going fan, but if you are like, I am broadly aware of F1, but don't understand the, the minutia of it, you love this movie. And if you do understand all the details of F1, you're probably like, well, that's bullshit.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  So I always think, what would I have if I was a banker?

• 51:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  And I was watching The Big Short, because The Big Short is the only other movie that I can compare to this film that has to do work in order for the narrative to be understood.

• 52:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Has to do work in educating the audience as you're watching the movie. And obviously it's fabled. They did it in a very ingenious way. But in this movie, if not for that part, that probably doesn't happen, I would really not know what, what was going on. There's like a couple of different parts in the film where some of the stuff that they use in story explains to me.

• 52:26Chris Ryan?

  That's a really good example because Big Short has all those direct to camera moments with like Sina Gomez and Anthony Bourdain, but then also like in Margin Call, there will be times in Margin Call where a character will be like, explain this to me like I'm 10. And it's like, well, you probably understand a little bit more of a sophisticated version of this, but you know, if you, if you want Jeremy Irons to say that, you can have it and you, that way the audience understands how the housing crisis starts.

• 52:50Bill Simmons?

  I was trying to think of the sports that we watch all the time. What would be the example of him causing the minor crashes, but it somehow being legal? Being football, if you're like, there's 30 seconds left. The other team's on their 20. And you just did pass interference every time to chew the clock up like five yards right after the line of scrimmage. And it just chews up five seconds and then the other team's at the 45 with no time left, which I've seen teams try to do. And if that was an even more blatant version of that strategy, that's kind of like.

• 53:19Chris Ryan?

  It's a little Hack-a-Shack.

• 53:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 53:21Chris Ryan?

  Hack-a-Shack.

• 53:22Bill Simmons?

  Hack-a-Shack is a good example. Yeah. JP crashes in the rain. This is an incredible sports movie scene.

• 53:29Chris Ryan?

  The Monza, the whole Monza race is amazing.

• 53:31Bill Simmons?

  Every piece of this is great. The combat chant right into the Sonny is putting it together montage.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Say something about the crash real quick.

• 53:40Bill Simmons?

  Good music, yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Another reason why that crash is great is because in the movie, you don't know if he's going to die. It's very.

• 53:48Chris Ryan?

  Well, it's unexpected, yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's.

• 53:50Bill Simmons?

  You think he's gonna win the race. You're just like, oh, he's gonna pass this guy.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  But once he crashes.

• 53:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  I could see them killing him.

• 53:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Like, it's a Brad Pitt deal. He's there, I could see the character dying. It's not like when you, in a Marvel film or some of these other big budget IP movies, these people are signed up for, nobody's gonna die. There's a danger to this film because you don't know what's gonna happen. I could see them killing him. I thought maybe he was dead.

• 54:14Bill Simmons?

  The combat chant, Sonny putting it together montage, really good music. The poker game, I have some thoughts on the poker game later, but it's an enjoyable scene.

• 54:24Chris Ryan?

  The first time through, yeah.

• 54:25Bill Simmons?

  Carrie's wearing the strapless. On a rewatch.

• 54:28Chris Ryan?

  Gonna be, gonna be completely candid, there is like an hour and a half version of this movie that's just the races. That is just like, that's all I want to watch in my life.

• 54:37Bill Simmons?

  Well, they need this though to set up the hookup with her.

• 54:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:41Bill Simmons?

  But I just like when anybody plays cards in a movie. The balcony scene, the Brad Pitt face, I was gonna be world champion, best there ever was. And then it was all taken away. Chasing that moment every time I get in the car. I know when I'll find it again, but man, I want to. It's in that moment, I'm flying. It's pretty good.

• 55:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  That's good stuff, you like that.

• 55:05Bill Simmons?

  She's just looking, they got the balcony with Vegas, great scene.

• 55:12Bill Simmons?

  I like when they don't want him to race.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  At the end?

• 55:15Bill Simmons?

  If it's the last thing I do is drive that car, I will take that life.

• 55:18Chris Ryan?

  Oh, this is after Vegas when he crashes?

• 55:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, after Vegas. I had a question, though. Why not, when they're trying to decide whether Sonny should race or not, why not have Javier Bardem do a coin toss?

• 55:32Bill Simmons?

  All of a sudden, his hair is parted forward.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Call it.

• 55:34Bill Simmons?

  And he's just like, "Call it, call it, Sonny." Then the final sprint. And then them winning in a champagne spray celebration. That seems really fun. Did the right guy crash? Let's just do this now.

• 55:47Chris Ryan?

  Oh, this is my hottest take.

• 55:49Bill Simmons?

  Well, let's hear it. Let's just do it now. This is a better movie if Sonny crashes.

• 55:53Chris Ryan?

  My Luke Wilson hottest take is basically Sonny winning Abu Dhabi, much like Maverick, where Maverick has to be the one who saves everybody's asses. Is probably good for this movie, but bad for the movie industry. And it is kind of like a metaphor for like baby boomers staying in their houses. Like, we gotta get you guys out of the paint. And it's not good for the movie industry if we don't build more Brad Pitts and more Tom Cruises. And if these guys keep making movies like this where they're like, "No, no, no. I win. I'm the champion, but thank you for your assistance." It's bad for the movie industry. So I like it in the movie. But Brad Pitt should crash at the end.

• 56:34Bill Simmons?

  I remember we talked about this when we did the thing on my pod. Because that was the one thing I had walking out of the theater where I was like,

• 56:42Bill Simmons?

  huh.

• 56:44Bill Simmons?

  The better movie is if Danson wins.

• 56:47Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 56:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's, and Sonny puts him forward and pays it forward and the team wins. But they have Sonny win and it's just, and then it's like, "You'll win more later. You're gonna win 10 of these." It's like, "Will he? I don't know."

• 56:59Speaker 01

  So the best version of this, to me, that's ever been done in this old dog, new dog thing is In Color of Money.

• 57:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Where at the end,

• 57:10Speaker 01

  what's his, Newman wins, but you don't, he doesn't know that he actually didn't win. That he's in a world now to where he can't see the angles anymore. So actually Vince won. So you walk away, you kind of get the best of both worlds. Now you get Eddie Filson renewed and all of that. And you get the actual character walking away smiling, the young guy smiling. In this movie, though, I'm gonna keep it all the way real with y'all. I didn't go to the movie to watch Danson win the race.

• 57:40Chris Ryan?

  Okay, so here's the only flip I would say.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  You, you, you, what you, what you are saying is true, but like, by the time we built it up to hit, because they didn't do enough for Danson's character in the movie to make him winning the race satisfactory. If his mom would have needed, if we knew more about all of this stuff.

• 57:59Chris Ryan?

  I completely agree with you.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  They didn't do enough for his character for him to win the race.

• 58:03Bill Simmons?

  First time I was shocked that he didn't win. Second time, Pitt winning made more sense to me in the context of the movie. But I still think it's more interesting if they flip it. It's just a more interesting movie.

• 58:14Chris Ryan?

  Like, the movie that probably did the, the handover the best is Creed. And it's also a very successful franchise about a new quote unquote character, even though it's like a legacy.

• 58:23Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna say Any Given Sunday. Cause Cap gets hurt right before halftime.

• 58:27Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we.

• 58:27Bill Simmons?

  Makes the Dennis Quaid face.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Like, once again, in that movie, there's no stakes in Willie Beaman taking over Cap. We barely get to know Cap.

• 58:35Bill Simmons?

  We're doing it in 2026.

• 58:37Chris Ryan?

  If, if like.

• 58:39Bill Simmons?

  It's a redo.

• 58:40Chris Ryan?

  Sonny crashes in Vegas and he's not allowed to race anymore. Like, Ruben won't let him race. So he be, becomes.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  The guy on the.

• 58:47Chris Ryan?

  The guy on the ear, you know, Kate.

• 58:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, nobody wants that.

• 58:50Chris Ryan?

  I know, but I'm just saying, like, it's bad for the movie industry if we do not make these dudes into, like, superstars.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  I don't disagree. Like, you wonder if in F2, if JP gets to win, or if they even, they could literally not bring JP back for F2.

• 59:04Chris Ryan?

  Fuck, I mean, F2 could just be Brad Pitt and Baja and I go see it.

• 59:08Bill Simmons?

  Would you see that?

• 59:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll probably go watch it.

• 59:12Bill Simmons?

  Brad, Sonny Bunch and Baja?

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Let Taylor Sheridan write it. The cartel's coming after him.

• 59:20Chris Ryan?

  Okay, so that was my hottest take, but we put it in for, for Abu Dhabi.

• 59:25Bill Simmons?

  You know, when you get old in life, things get taken away from you. It's part of life. You only learn that when you start losing stuff. Find out that life is just a game of inches.

• 59:36Chris Ryan?

  Are you just doing any given Sunday?

• 59:38Speaker 01

  What's happening?

• 59:39Bill Simmons?

  I'm just getting you guys ready for 2026 Any Given Sunday. And this team, we fight for that inch!

• 59:45Chris Ryan?

  I was like, did Sonny say that?

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, what's going on?

• 59:49Bill Simmons?

  That probably would have been the way to have Sonny not race in the final race is he gives a Pachino, like, Any Given Sunday speech to JP.

• 59:57Chris Ryan?

  My, uh...

• 59:57Bill Simmons?

  What's your most rewatchable scene?

• 59:59Chris Ryan?

  Monza. It's fucking awesome. The virtual safety car, the rain coming in, Sonny cuts off Max.

• 1:00:05Bill Simmons?

  I like when the guy whips the fire thing to him so that Sonny's closer. It's like, good little details in that.

• 1:00:09Chris Ryan?

  The slingshot move in the rain spray is awesome. So, Monza. I also really like, um, the British Grand Prix when Sonny doesn't start. Like, it's like, the race starts and Sonny's just sitting there and they're like, "What's he doing?

• 1:00:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Chris Ryan?

  What's he doing?"

• 1:00:23Bill Simmons?

  He's playing us.

• 1:00:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  If not for him, uh, flying is definitely Monza for me. But the flying part was just really cool.

• 1:00:32Bill Simmons?

  That's my answer as well.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  There's only one other scene that I like.

• 1:00:35Bill Simmons?

  I love the ending in this movie.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  I love any scene in a movie where two old friends see each other, but at first they pretend like they don't know each other.

• 1:00:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. That's what CR and I are gonna do.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, the diner. "You old son of a bitch."

• 1:00:48Bill Simmons?

  Come here, you son of a bitch!

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Come here, you son of a bitch! "You old fucking son... It's good to see ya!" Like, I love any scene like that.

• 1:00:56Chris Ryan?

  We should start doing that every time we see each other.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Every time we see each other.

• 1:00:58Bill Simmons?

  That's when I come find CR in London in 25 years.

• 1:01:03Chris Ryan?

  I'm having a beer with Kerry Condon.

• 1:01:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  And you gotta go, "We got a pod, one more time."

• 1:01:08Bill Simmons?

  I got a new podcast idea. It's a rewatchable Zavas.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  I need ya.

• 1:01:15Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 2025 thing about this movie? Um, well, this just happened, but I'll give you a Drive to Survive reference. The F1 having a major race in Las Vegas could only have happened in the last two years. And then, uh, JP watching Sonny's 1993 accident on YouTube.

• 1:01:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I mean, it's pretty, yeah. Those are really rooted in the 2020s.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Making a movie like this about F1 at this particular point, F1 has taken over.

• 1:01:43Chris Ryan?

  I just had F1 being internationally beloved, celeb infested mega sport.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  I wanted to know how you, how you feel about this. So to me, F1 is the new soccer. In that it's a sport.

• 1:01:54Chris Ryan?

  And that nobody actually watches it.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  That you have to act like you care about if you are a cosmopolitan.

• 1:01:59Bill Simmons?

  From an American standpoint?

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're a cosmopolitan sports fan, like us regular sports fans that get into uh, baseball, playoff baseball, football and basketball, maybe a little tennis, maybe a little golf when there's a dominant person.

• 1:02:12Bill Simmons?

  Then you're pretending you know something about the World Cup.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Right, but like if you're gonna.

• 1:02:16Bill Simmons?

  I think Croatia could beat England. I heard, I heard that, by the way, on you and Zach.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Just like last year, there was friends of mine that were going, yeah, I'm going, I gotta go support my fucking driving team. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Your driving team, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 1:02:30Bill Simmons?

  Under 30s, there were, there were, that jumped right in.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  But that's a part of it. Like now, everybody.

• 1:02:35Bill Simmons?

  Our podcast does pretty well.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Everybody, I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

• 1:02:38Bill Simmons?

  Shout out to Meg Schuster.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, everybody now has to have like a soccer team. You know, everybody has to have a soccer team. And it's like, if you're, you're a true sports fan, if you're into soccer, if you're into the WNBA. You're, you're a true sports fan. Like, yeah, that's kind of being a cosmopolitan sports fan.

• 1:02:55Bill Simmons?

  WNBA went on a three-year strike.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  WNBA cooking right now. It's like fun to watch.

• 1:03:00Bill Simmons?

  I hope it's cooking with regular season games next year.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Have you seen Audie Crooks?

• 1:03:05Bill Simmons?

  Where does she play? Who are you talking to?

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  She plays for Iowa State.

• 1:03:08Bill Simmons?

  Iowa State. Have I seen Audie Crooks?

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Just making sure you, you're supporting the league, Bill, cuz they need you.

• 1:03:15Bill Simmons?

  I'm supporting.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  They, if you, if you don't, cuz you've been in the past, you know.

• 1:03:18Bill Simmons?

  I was texting with Shanae yesterday about it. I was.

• 1:03:21Chris Ryan?

  She's dropping.

• 1:03:22Bill Simmons?

  I was, cuz she's gonna come on the pod soon, cuz we, we really have to figure out this WNBA strike before it becomes a strike.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's true.

• 1:03:30Bill Simmons?

  This is not a good situation.

• 1:03:32Chris Ryan?

  Do, do people with F1, do they more cheer for drivers or teams?

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  I think it's drivers, right? Like the people I know that are into it.

• 1:03:39Bill Simmons?

  Now likes like, I think it's like basketball where some people have teams and other people have drivers. So if the driver switches team, you, it's like LeBron. Oh, LeBron's on the Cavs again. I'm rooting for the Cavs.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Let me ask you this. Well, Michael Schumacher was F1, right?

• 1:03:53Chris Ryan?

  Sure. Yes. Cause in the, yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  In the nineties, he was everywhere, right? You see, you see him.

• 1:03:58Chris Ryan?

  I think they did, like, those guys also moved around, like, they did Indy, they-

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Indy cars, well.

• 1:04:02Chris Ryan?

  They would, they would race F1 and also race other-

• 1:04:04Bill Simmons?

  Did he have a feud with Colt Trickle?

• 1:04:06Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Schumacher? No, it was him and Senna were, were racing.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  It was going back and forth.

• 1:04:10Bill Simmons?

  Uh, what's aged the best? Brad Pitt living in a trailer, I'm just in every time.

• 1:04:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Bill Simmons?

  At this point. I don't know if anyone's ever lived in a trailer better than him in a movie.

• 1:04:21Chris Ryan?

  It would be funny if he was playing like FDR, but he was living in a trailer.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Back of the White House.

• 1:04:29Bill Simmons?

  They should just release a movie called Brad Pitt's Living in the Trailer.

• 1:04:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:31Bill Simmons?

  And that's just the movie.

• 1:04:32Chris Ryan?

  Brad and his buddy's FDR.

• 1:04:34Bill Simmons?

  Open, open again, guys.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  As good looking as he is, he does slovenly really well.

• 1:04:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  He does like disgusting-

• 1:04:42Chris Ryan?

  You're that fucking hot, you can just do whatever you want.

• 1:04:44Bill Simmons?

  Who's your favorite Brad Pitt character ever? Is it Moneyball guy?

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:04:48Chris Ryan?

  Uh-

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Tyler Dern.

• 1:04:49Chris Ryan?

  My favorite is probably either True Romance or, or Fight Club. Yeah.

• 1:04:56Bill Simmons?

  Mine is Floyd, Floyd and True Romance, hands down.

• 1:04:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Bill Simmons?

  He's, he's left. One of my favorite characters of all time.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  He's coming back just to, just-

• 1:05:03Chris Ryan?

  And then Burn After Reading would be like a, an honorable mention.

• 1:05:07Bill Simmons?

  Um, what's aged the best? I like movies with just a great expensive soundtrack.

• 1:05:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Bill Simmons?

  That they're just like- We're gonna have Queen and Led Zeppelin and some other shit on this and we, Money was not spared.

• 1:05:18Chris Ryan?

  They also just did a full album of new music for this, for this record.

• 1:05:21Bill Simmons?

  What do you, I have a bunch. What do you have?

• 1:05:23Chris Ryan?

  I'm just a fucking Irish guy who loves Carrie Condon.

• 1:05:30Chris Ryan?

  Um, yeah, I got, I got Carrie Condon, I love it when she goes, "What's wrong with the car? The guy is sitting in it."

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  And her shit is thick.

• 1:05:42Chris Ryan?

  Um, and we also, we gotta bring, we gotta start saying box, box. Like, next time I have to pee, I'm gonna be like, box, box. I'm gonna, I'm gonna walk off set. Like with, like the F1 pit call when like, they're like, I have to bring the car into pit row. And they're like, box, box, box. Did you notice that?

• 1:05:59Bill Simmons?

  I did.

• 1:05:59Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:06:00Bill Simmons?

  Hmm. I was thinking about, should they have added a scene when, cause we never see Danson's dad if, if, if JP's dad-

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 1:06:08Bill Simmons?

  They were like, what happened to him? And Carrie Condon was like, I gave him a taste.

• 1:06:15Chris Ryan?

  She took to it right away.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Took to it right away. You did chemical way.

• 1:06:20Bill Simmons?

  It was on. I told CR it was on the other day. I watched the entire movie. I'd just seen it like three months ago.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be real.

• 1:06:25Bill Simmons?

  If it's on, I just hop in. I watch a lot of villains.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Say a lot of evil shit.

• 1:06:31Bill Simmons?

  Flower guys.

• 1:06:32Chris Ryan?

  Being like, I got your mom strung out.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Saying that to him is the most evil shit.

• 1:06:37Chris Ryan?

  And then your dad let you think she just ran away.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  You walking away as he's doing the fucking flower.

• 1:06:42Bill Simmons?

  While you're putting your fucking flyers out there.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Like that, that's one of the most evil villain monologues that I've ever seen. That's, that was an evil motherfucker in that movie.

• 1:06:51Bill Simmons?

  Spirit animal. What else, CF CR?

• 1:06:53Chris Ryan?

  Uh, just like our introduction to Sonny as a guy who's like, listening to Led Zeppelin, doing his clothes at the laundromat. Listening to the radio. I just think it's like a great character beat where you're like, this is a dude that's out of step with modern times.

• 1:07:07Bill Simmons?

  What do you have, Ben?

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  The technical stuff.

• 1:07:09Bill Simmons?

  Had that as well. Like the in race scoreboard graphic helpers.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  All of the tech, all of the technical stuff.

• 1:07:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  The, how beautiful, this movie almost looks like it could be, it takes place in the present time, but like this movie looks like it could be like a near futurist film with how much stuff is going on.

• 1:07:23Chris Ryan?

  It's also crazy how much you, kinda like, I, I never really truly understand what the fuck is happening, but like by the end of the movie, you're like, oh my God, he's gonna undercut him. You know, like I, I didn't know what that concept was before I watched this movie.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  And as a commercial, this might be the single most, and maybe you guys can think of one that's better. This might be the single most effective movie commercial, maybe other than The Wizard. Like when you were a kid and you were watching The Wizard, you wanted to play Mario 3 like crazy when The Wizard came out. But this, knowing that that world exists, like these incredibly rich, beautiful people, watching people drive these, that looks like an intoxicating world to be a part of. It made me sort of almost halfway, half of one percent interested in F1, and I've never watched.

• 1:08:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the outdoor luxury box situation they have with the evil villain guy entertaining his guests. That seems pretty fun.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Bill Simmons?

  Who wants some caviar, guys, as we watch guys raise five?

• 1:08:20Chris Ryan?

  Eighty percent of F1 audiences are in executive suites somehow.

• 1:08:24Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I had the same thing with the scoreboard graphic helpers, how we always know where we are in the race. I just think, we've seen so many sports movies where they fuck that up. You don't know what the score is, or they have announcers. And here comes Sonny, Sonny Hayes, we didn't expect to see him, and they just screwed up. I have, uh, asking diner waitresses for advice.

• 1:08:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, is it win?

• 1:08:50Bill Simmons?

  What do you think there, Luis? Yeah.

• 1:08:52Chris Ryan?

  Well, how much are we talking?

• 1:08:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Chris Ryan?

  It's not about the money.

• 1:08:54Bill Simmons?

  Uh, these diner waitresses are just undefeated. They've seen a lot, they've been through a lot.

• 1:08:59Chris Ryan?

  It's really funny that-

• 1:09:00Bill Simmons?

  They've seen a lot, they're like bartenders, but they've seen even more.

• 1:09:03Chris Ryan?

  Brad Pitt got thirty million dollars to do this movie, he's like, it's not about the money.

• 1:09:11Bill Simmons?

  The morning jogs we mentioned.

• 1:09:14Bill Simmons?

  The old school opening credit sequence.

• 1:09:16Chris Ryan?

  Awesome.

• 1:09:17Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm. We don't do opening credits anymore, Van. Yeah. Brought me back to the nineties, and then my last one. This is another sports movie trope, but many one, the, in this case, the jumpy pit crew member.

• 1:09:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Jody.

• 1:09:30Bill Simmons?

  Where you're like, oh, she's gonna be redeemed.

• 1:09:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Bill Simmons?

  She's gonna come through. Mm-hmm. We're gonna have a changeover one point, she'll have her shit together. Uh, I always enjoy those. Okay. Big tuna burger, wear best used food and drink, the beers and beer data. Yeah, sure, that's an easy one.

• 1:09:42Chris Ryan?

  Honorable mention to Bart Emmon Pitt's diner scene.

• 1:09:45Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a good two, yeah. Great shot, Gordo. JP's car crash in slow mo.

• 1:09:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Bill Simmons?

  That's a clear winner, but I was trying to think, there's so many awesome shots in the movie.

• 1:09:55Chris Ryan?

  Well, you know what just like gets my fucking heart going is, is just the shot of Sonny taking checkered flag and the fucking fireworks going off. It's like, god damn.

• 1:10:03Bill Simmons?

  That's gorgeous, beautiful, yeah. Greatest of fireworks in this movie. Uh, Kid Cudi Pursued Happiness, wear best needle drop, it's clearly a whole lot of love, Led Zeppelin.

• 1:10:10Chris Ryan?

  But I do like the Chris Stapleton song that plays over the practice race. That when, when, when Sonny first gets to the team.

• 1:10:18Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell Brock Lanners, best character name, Sonny Hayes.

• 1:10:21Chris Ryan?

  Mm-mm.

• 1:10:22Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 1:10:22Chris Ryan?

  The British media, the sports reporter, Don Cavendish.

• 1:10:28Chris Ryan?

  Sonny, Sonny, you're a gambler.

• 1:10:32Bill Simmons?

  That could have been, that should be a new category for twenty-six, what part could CR put? That would have been- It easily could have been Don Cavendish.

• 1:10:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Bill Simmons?

  Cavendish comes up. Oh, you have a flex category, what do you got?

• 1:10:43Chris Ryan?

  Oh, when would I have died? Uh, now, most people would probably say when they were driving. I think I would die cleaning gravel off of the track.

• 1:10:54Chris Ryan?

  I think I would be like busy listening to something and then like getting distracted.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Final Destination.

• 1:11:04Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film. I have a glaring one, but what do you have?

• 1:11:08Chris Ryan?

  I have, you go, no, you go.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  But it was hard for me to like find one, but it was probably his manager.

• 1:11:15Chris Ryan?

  Punch it in.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:16Chris Ryan?

  It's, it's, it's the guy, Samson Kao is good in it.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Chris Ryan?

  But it is a nothing part.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't mean anything.

• 1:11:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, is he a bad guy, a good guy?

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  And he, even at the end when JP decides not to do it, they didn't, they haven't committed enough to the character.

• 1:11:31Chris Ryan?

  He's just like daps him up. He's like, cool, we're not gonna do social media anymore.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Right. Now, I don't have a job, you just fire me. But that's great. I mean, they're probably cousins or something like that. Yeah, they are.

• 1:11:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but these guys exist though. It's like the Anthony Edwards is buddy in the Adidas commercial.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  But you need, to me, you gotta commit to that character a little bit. Give that character something to do.

• 1:11:48Bill Simmons?

  Make him a little sinister.

• 1:11:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he has to be like, I wanna go to these parties for myself. I need you to come to get me in, kinda thing.

• 1:11:54Bill Simmons?

  I'm trying to get laid.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Either funnier or more serious or something.

• 1:11:58Bill Simmons?

  Sonny's way too fucking old to be an F1 driver.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  That's picking nits though.

• 1:12:02Bill Simmons?

  No, this is the weak link of the film. I looked it up. The oldest Formula One driver ever to win a Grand Prix was Luigi Fagioli. He's 53 years old. That was in 1951 at the French Grand Prix. Lewis Hamilton is the oldest 21st century driver to win a race. He was 39 years old in 2004. Sonny crashed in 93.

• 1:12:24Bill Simmons?

  So he's either 19 or 20 when he crashes. So that makes him 51, 52, or 53 in this film. This would be like, like fucking Jack Nicklaus winning the 86 Masters multiplied by seven. It's impossible.

• 1:12:37Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:12:38Bill Simmons?

  There are no 50 year old F1 drivers.

• 1:12:40Chris Ryan?

  It's also like how many old F1 drivers have also had major spinal surgeries.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  C5.

• 1:12:45Bill Simmons?

  And never were really in an F1 before.

• 1:12:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:48Bill Simmons?

  All of this is improbable, but I love it. And it's, that's why I'd wanna put it in the picks. Was there a better title for this movie? In 2023, ESPN reported that the film was titled Apex. Terrible title.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Terrible title. For a movie that's.

• 1:13:06Bill Simmons?

  I don't like the title F1. I don't think it's a good title. I think it's too confusing with the actual property and I think they should have come up with a better one. Whether they call it Sunny Hayes, Apex. F1, it's like you Google it and F1 comes up.

• 1:13:18Chris Ryan?

  I think also F1 calling it that made it seem more explicitly like an advertisement for the for the for the racing. So it almost like is like a little like.

• 1:13:30Bill Simmons?

  It's called flying?

• 1:13:31Chris Ryan?

  No, but that's the thing is like, what are you gonna call it?

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  But you know, if you're if you're trying to, I don't like the Apex name. If you're if you're trying to do a commercial for F1, like I said, the movie, it lives inside this, the fact that it's straightforward and vapid.

• 1:13:45Bill Simmons?

  All right, Connor, if this was a movie about an NBA player and they just called it NBA, that'd be weird.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  It wouldn't make any sense because the sport's so well established.

• 1:13:53Bill Simmons?

  You guys going to see NBA? No, man, I'm going to see Atlanta Hawks. It's gotta be independent version of NBA. F1's a bad title. What's age the worst? So we don't know because this movie only came out six months ago.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  I got one, a real one. So Lewis Hamilton's beloved dog Roscoe is in this film.

• 1:14:12Bill Simmons?

  Oh, and yeah, now he's dead.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Roscoe has passed away. It was very tough for Lewis Hamilton. He talked a lot about it. And when I saw Ros, when I went to go see the movie at first, Roscoe was still alive and well. It was cool. He meant a lot to F1. He was kind of an F1 mascot. And when you see him now, you think about how much, how much that much stuff for Lewis Hamilton. Yeah.

• 1:14:31Bill Simmons?

  I had this as more than a nitpick, so I put it here. This movie ends three times and I think you could make a case you just stick with the first ending.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Which would be what? Yeah, what's it?

• 1:14:44Bill Simmons?

  He wins the race. He's walking off. It could ended there. He's got to say goodbye to Kerry Condon. So you have that moment. It could ended there. Then he's got to say goodbye one more time to JP. Easily could ended there. And now we're going to Baja?

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, Baja. Baja was too much.

• 1:15:00Bill Simmons?

  Baja was sick. What the fuck? Baja was fine, but just make that a deleted scene. It was like, they liked how they shot it.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Or post-credit it, like Baja was too much.

• 1:15:08Bill Simmons?

  Right. End the movie and maybe make that just post-credits completely, but I, there's no way that should have been the ending. You could have just ended this with him spraying the champagne.

• 1:15:16Chris Ryan?

  I think you're right, but it is like, this is a guy who does what he says he's gonna do. And it's not about the money, it's about the driving, you know? So you have to have that hammered home one more time when he gets, when he gets to Baja, when he gets to Mexico.

• 1:15:30Bill Simmons?

  Alright, I'd find it hard to believe this guy's like, my F1 career's now over. I won my one race.

• 1:15:35Chris Ryan?

  Age the worst, I mean, this is also a nitpick, but we kind of mentioned this. I think there should have been more scenes of F1 drivers interacting with these guys and or commenting on the fictional reality of the movie.

• 1:15:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, even that one scene with the talk show?

• 1:15:51Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:15:51Bill Simmons?

  With the guy, with the guy who ran Apex with the two real guys?

• 1:15:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, with Jack Brown and, yeah.

• 1:15:57Bill Simmons?

  Ruffalo Hannah Ribnik Partridge, overacting award. I would probably say your English reporter guy.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  He's doling it up.

• 1:16:05Bill Simmons?

  What is that guy doing? He's like on cocaine?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Treating people- Sonny, go down! Treating people like shit, asking crazy questions.

• 1:16:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  It's paid out in the end.

• 1:16:15Bill Simmons?

  Uh, you got a flex category, Ben?

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  I do. I got another top five. It's the top five scenes of old guys schooling young guys in movies.

• 1:16:24Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Five to one. Number five, Joe Clark to Sam's in Lean on Me.

• 1:16:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  On the roof.

• 1:16:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Why don't you just jump? It kills your brain cells, son. It kills your brain cells. Sam's looking overtaken by the fact that he's actually on crack. And Joe Clark is trying to save his life.

• 1:16:42Bill Simmons?

  I don't think you're allowed to do that in schools anymore.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Probably not, to fake like you're gonna put somebody off the roof of a goddamn school.

• 1:16:48Bill Simmons?

  LA Times continues to investigate.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Right, like Joe Clark. Uh, number four, Rocky beats up Tommy Gunn.

• 1:16:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Chris Ryan?

  God, I can't believe how much we have to talk about this.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, bruh. Rocky putting them hands on Tommy Gunn.

• 1:17:00Bill Simmons?

  Tommy was asking for it.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Tommy was asking for it.

• 1:17:02Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  That's very meaningful to me.

• 1:17:03Bill Simmons?

  Come into the bar and start talking shit.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  Number three, Shep outdueling Kyle Watson in the one-on-one game in above the rim.

• 1:17:14Bill Simmons?

  Yep, 15 straight 14 footers.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  And then at the end, you hear that? You hear that? He's talking to his friend. He says, "I'm cool." It's good. Number two.

• 1:17:25Bill Simmons?

  That's where they probably would have put him in a straitjacket.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  When he's talking to his buddy. You hear that, Nutsy? Nutsy, you hear that, Nutsy?

• 1:17:34Bill Simmons?

  He liked Nutsy more than anyone's ever liked one of their friends. Like, did you ever have a friend you cared about more than Nutsy?

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  I have a couple of them, but no friends that I would play basketball on the roof with with no fence. And then the way Nutsy died is fucking absurd.

• 1:17:50Bill Simmons?

  It's the best.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:17:51Bill Simmons?

  That movie's elite.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  Number two is split. One, Yoda schooling Luke.

• 1:17:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  When Luke cannot raise the X-Men.

• 1:18:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  In Dagobah.

• 1:18:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Out of the thing. And then Luke's dad also got schooled.

• 1:18:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Kenobi stood there and he said, "Anakin, don't try it. Don't try to jump." And Anakin went, "You're under SMA my power." He jumped and Kenobi cut his fucking legs off.

• 1:18:21Bill Simmons?

  Spoiler, Jesus. Oh, you're talking about the prequels.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  I'm talking about in Revenge of the Sith. It's just one of my all time favorite, you got too much dip on your chip moments. Anakin's like, "I'm the chosen one. I could jump."

• 1:18:33Bill Simmons?

  So that was two Star Wars as number one?

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  As number, no, no, as number two. Number one is very clear. This is the best, and I hate to give you this props. The best old guy schooling young guy scene ever to me is Robin Williams to Matt Damon on the bench in Good Will Hunting.

• 1:18:52Bill Simmons?

  Just watched it with Ben Simmons. Did you really? Ben Simmons and I watched Good Will Hunting and Shawshank Redemption back to back two nights ago. Does Ben like F1? Yo, he loved it.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's some hardcore bonding right there.

• 1:19:03Bill Simmons?

  Good Will Hunting was great.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Ah, he's sitting down there and he's telling him the whole thing. He just cuts Will down to nothing.

• 1:19:10Bill Simmons?

  You looked at a painting for five seconds and you cut apart my fucking life?

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  My whole fucking life. You ever been on a plane before? Like, the whole nine just takes his whole shit apart. Because Will is a genius, but Robin Williams is experienced.

• 1:19:25Bill Simmons?

  Your move, chief.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  Your move, chief.

• 1:19:26Bill Simmons?

  Yep. It's a great one. I will say, watching Shawshank with Ben was one of my highlights of 2025. He had no idea what was gonna happen.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:19:36Bill Simmons?

  And he was like, is he gonna? Then Andy gets the rope. He's going back to his cell. He's like, he's gonna hang himself? Like, what the fuck? And then the next day, they're like, he doesn't come out for the cell and he's gone. And Ben was just like, he lost his mind like four times. Forget how great that movie is. Hottest take? See, I already gave his. Did you have one?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't like anybody in real life or in movies that throws cards for fun. So also, what, have you ever in your life seen somebody do that? It's like, think about what kind of obsessive bastard you have to be to throw all them cards for fun. I don't trust you at all. I think that, number one, you gotta go clean up all the cards, then you gotta do it again. Crazy alone time you gotta spend. Number two, it's kind of violent. You throwing cards? I feel like what you really wanna be throwing is like ninja stars or some shit like that.

• 1:20:27Bill Simmons?

  Like a switchblade?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Like a switchblade, like you wanna throw something at somebody? Number two, I just never trusted anyone that's like, that's like too into cards and using cards as tricks and throwing cards. There's one guy in the history of throwing cards that was cool. One dude. Gambit. X-Men. Charge a car kinetically, throw it.

• 1:20:43Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna say that.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:44Bill Simmons?

  You're really pushing Bill with Revenge of the Sith and Gambit from X-Men.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Come on now. You gotta know, it's a useless skill, just throwing cards, sitting around there. They always make it as a cool movie thing, too. You're just tossing cards. I've never liked people that done that before.

• 1:20:59Bill Simmons?

  My hottest take was that I like racing movies 10 times more than actual racing.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:04Bill Simmons?

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• 1:22:26Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs, you mentioned Damson Idris was hired after passing the F1 driving test. We don't know who the other actors he beat out were, but we'll find out in about 12 years as the internet starts making up names of people that are around the same age. Simone Ashley, we do know that she did promotional tour interviews, is in the movie as his love interest, and then just got cut out.

• 1:22:48Bill Simmons?

  That must suck. Yes. Can you imagine?

• 1:22:51Chris Ryan?

  Because you're probably like, I'm in, I'm gonna be in one of the biggest movies of the year and I'm like a big part. And they're just like, yeah, it just didn't work. But then you go to the movie.

• 1:22:58Bill Simmons?

  I went to F1, where were you?

• 1:23:00Chris Ryan?

  But you go to the movie and you're like, oh, so we needed another jogging scene.

• 1:23:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Thanks, motherfuckers. Pitt was supposed to be in the original Ford vs. Ferrari with Tom Cruise, and it was called Go Like Hell with Kaczynski directing, but it fell apart.

• 1:23:15Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:23:15Bill Simmons?

  And they ended up working together in this. Best that guy award. I mean, there's a few. What do you, what'd you have for this?

• 1:23:22Chris Ryan?

  I have Kim Badnaya from, the dude from Killing Eve is Casper, the team principal, like the guy who's like, got his family coming to visit at the garage and stuff. Or Will Merrick, who's the dude who's always like, box, box, box.

• 1:23:35Bill Simmons?

  Who's the guy in the first scene, the whole lot of love scene?

• 1:23:39Chris Ryan?

  Shay Wiggum.

• 1:23:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Chris Ryan?

  That's not a, that's not a fucking major dude.

• 1:23:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's a dude, that's a guy.

• 1:23:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Bill Simmons?

  It's a dude.

• 1:23:45Chris Ryan?

  That's sort of, he used to be that guy, though.

• 1:23:47Bill Simmons?

  He was, but he's been in.

• 1:23:48Chris Ryan?

  He's a graduated that guy. Very much so.

• 1:23:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's, yeah, he's Shay. Although maybe not, because I couldn't remember his name. Maybe he hasn't graduated.

• 1:23:55Chris Ryan?

  Would you give him Dion Waiters?

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  That's my Dion Waiters.

• 1:23:58Chris Ryan?

  Shay?

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Cause I can't, he's, he's, he's so much more of a that guy than me, uh, for, to me, that I could not understand why he showed up in the movie for one scene and then had three lines and then you never see him again.

• 1:24:12Bill Simmons?

  Apple, Apple money.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:24:14Bill Simmons?

  Like, come on in.

• 1:24:15Chris Ryan?

  I wonder whether or not he was supposed to be, have a bigger part. I don't know.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  And then he was also maybe trimmed down or cut out.

• 1:24:21Bill Simmons?

  Dion Waiters, could we go with the aggressive English reporter, Don Cavendish?

• 1:24:25Chris Ryan?

  We could do a Don Cavendish. I have, I, I went with Tobias Menzies. Do you think Peter Banning is in this movie too much?

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Ah, he's okay.

• 1:24:31Bill Simmons?

  I think he's in too much.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  He might be in a little too much. That's a good one though. Cause he, when he's in, he's dialing it up.

• 1:24:36Chris Ryan?

  I don't really think this movie needed that character.

• 1:24:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  It's a nit.

• 1:24:40Chris Ryan?

  Um.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  The villain turn is like completely wet.

• 1:24:42Chris Ryan?

  And like the whole like betray Ruben and I, I leaked the papers. It's like, I don't know. It was, it was going fine.

• 1:24:48Bill Simmons?

  You could go with the McLaren and the Ferrari guys in that one scene too, maybe.

• 1:24:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:52Bill Simmons?

  Just coming in hot, shitting all over, uh,

• 1:24:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Bill Simmons?

  the bus. Recasting couch director city. I wouldn't change anything.

• 1:24:58Chris Ryan?

  Well, he also used all the cities.

• 1:25:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they used every city. Craig is not here. Craig's on vacation. He has no flex category. Half fast energy research. Brockheimer said it took a year to convince everyone to be able to do this on race weekends. Uh, everybody was worried about being the villain. He promised everyone no villains. The trailer uses the chain by Fleetwood Mac, which apparently Formula One's been using on BBC since 1978, but that's not in the movie. The crash that ended Sonny's career was based on the actual crash of Martin Donnelly in the 1990's Spanish Grand Prix. Um, he was an advisor on the film. Kaczynski said they had over 500 or 5,000 hours of footage in two years to edit because of the strikes and he thought that was one of the reasons the movie was so good.

• 1:25:46Bill Simmons?

  A former F1 female strategy engineer named Bernie Collins from Northern Ireland CR, provided the inspiration for the Kerry Connick character.

• 1:25:55Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:25:57Bill Simmons?

  Could be wife too, who knows? I don't know what she's doing.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  You just, you put it into the, into the air right there.

• 1:26:02Bill Simmons?

  She smokes Marlboro Reds.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Ripping six.

• 1:26:06Bill Simmons?

  The F1 album has just a lot of famous people in it.

• 1:26:10Chris Ryan?

  Sheeran, Stapleton.

• 1:26:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Uh, sponsorships from various brands in this movie brought in at least 40 million bucks.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  And then- Another reason why they disputed the, the budget stuff.

• 1:26:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:23Bill Simmons?

  There's a whole bunch of camera stuff that I'm not gonna go through, but if you're interested in it, you could read about all the ways they mounted things, Apple making them, how they made the smallest cameras ever.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  I looked around for a doc on all of this and there's not, I would be really-

• 1:26:35Chris Ryan?

  Mostly stuff about like-

• 1:26:36Bill Simmons?

  Couple of pieces about it.

• 1:26:36Chris Ryan?

  Damson and Brad learning how to drive stuff, but like the, the cameras were essentially like the kind that they used in Top Gun, operated by remote control and like the stuff that they're doing where it's like on Brad Pitt's face and then snap panning to another driver, whether that's a visual effect or, or what, it's incredible.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Well, the, the director said that one of the primary focuses that they had was making sure that when they were on the guys during the race, racing scenes, that they didn't have to act.

• 1:27:07Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  It's like one thing that can throw the racing scenes off is if the guys faces don't match the intensity of what's happening.

• 1:27:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Cruz, I'm, I'm sorry, Pitt looks like he's, couples, especially in the last scene, it really looks like he's-

• 1:27:19Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:27:20Bill Simmons?

  Like he's like flying to outer space. Apex Mountain, too hard to do when the movie just came out, but-

• 1:27:26Chris Ryan?

  I do think it's apex-

• 1:27:27Bill Simmons?

  I think F1 has a real apex mountain moment.

• 1:27:28Chris Ryan?

  F1 and Kaczynski, cause now it's back to back-

• 1:27:31Bill Simmons?

  Those would be the two.

• 1:27:32Chris Ryan?

  Huge movies.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:33Bill Simmons?

  I don't know about anybody else, maybe Carrie Condon, we'll see what happens with that.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  I could argue that, cause, uh, oh, you know, yeah, I could argue that Kaczynski was Top Gun, but it's this, it's, it's F1 for sure for me.

• 1:27:42Bill Simmons?

  I think Maverick with this, that guy is now-

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:45Bill Simmons?

  We're going to his next movie, I don't know what it is.

• 1:27:47Chris Ryan?

  Miami Vice.

• 1:27:49Bill Simmons?

  Did we meet him last month? We did, right?

• 1:27:51Chris Ryan?

  Running Man.

• 1:27:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I tried to, I tried to be cool.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Who, Kaczynski?

• 1:27:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  He came to the office, Jack Sanders-

• 1:27:56Bill Simmons?

  He's super cool.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Jack Sanders completely embarrassed me.

• 1:27:59Bill Simmons?

  Why, what'd he say?

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  So, like-

• 1:28:01Bill Simmons?

  Fucking Jack Sanders.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Like, Jack Sanders comes to the office-

• 1:28:04Bill Simmons?

  Did you try to go up to Joe and go, "Joe Kaczynski, you son of a bitch"?

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Jack, me and Jack have this thing that we do.

• 1:28:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  To where I see Jack and I go, what time is it? And Jack says, it's nigga time.

• 1:28:19Chris Ryan?

  Jack Sanders?

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like, and he said that Jack says that, right? And, and it's, it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. Yeah, and so it's, it's a part of me and Jack's bonding. And we say that. And so.

• 1:28:33Chris Ryan?

  That doesn't happen.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  And so I walked up to Jack.

• 1:28:35Chris Ryan?

  Man, this is fucked up if you're lying. He's been doing this, also, can we actually, he's got like this weird new thing he's doing. There's this story which did not happen, I know it didn't. And then the other day, he sent me like 14 fucking text messages being like, Chris, Chris, Chris, Tua wants to come on the watch.

• 1:28:56Chris Ryan?

  And I was like, Tua from the Dolphins? And he's like, yeah, Tua likes the show, he wants to come on the watch. And I'm like, man, you're fucking with me, but like, honestly, like, I don't really know if we would have a spot for Tua if he doesn't watch shows.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  He's like, what is Tua talking about?

• 1:29:10Chris Ryan?

  And you're like, why don't you just answer me about whether Tua is allowed on the watch? What's wrong with you? Don't you have enough to do?

• 1:29:18Bill Simmons?

  This is your best bit of 2025.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  So, so I walk up to Jack.

• 1:29:24Chris Ryan?

  You can't, we can't run this, there's gonna be people who don't know you're joking.

• 1:29:28Bill Simmons?

  You have to say, at least you made that one part out.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  I did make, so listen. I, so, so here's the deal.

• 1:29:33Chris Ryan?

  What the fuck are you talking about?

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Wait, I've asked this to be a bit for me and Jack, and Jack has never agreed.

• 1:29:41Chris Ryan?

  No shit.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Right, so I've asked for this to be a bit between me and Jack, and Jack has never agreed. And Kaczynski was in the, Kaczynski was in the office, and he was doing, uh, he was doing, um.

• 1:29:56Chris Ryan?

  The big picture?

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  The, the big picture.

• 1:29:57Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  And so I walk up to Jack when he's with Kaczynski, and I go, yo, Jack, what time is it? And Jack goes, man, leave me alone, I'm doing important stuff. And then I realized that Kaczynski was with him.

• 1:30:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  And he walked away, and Kaczynski turned around and was boom.

• 1:30:12Chris Ryan?

  So your, your point is that Jack has never said that?

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  No, Jack has never said, Jack refuses to say it.

• 1:30:17Chris Ryan?

  I'm good, I'm glad that came in the five minute part.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  I kept telling Jack over and over and over.

• 1:30:21Chris Ryan?

  How is the most pop, powerful man in the world right now, he could single-handedly?

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  I kept telling Jack over and over, I'm like, Jack, come on, Jack's like, no, man, no.

• 1:30:32Chris Ryan?

  So Tua didn't want to come on the watch, right?

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  He didn't reach out. Bro, I was so high when I was seeing this.

• 1:30:38Bill Simmons?

  I lo- I love this.

• 1:30:41Chris Ryan?

  Cruiser, Hanks? Uh, Cruz. Yeah. And, and there's been, like, I, Kaczynski said this, I think, in somewhat jest, but was like, F2 could be Days of Thunder 2. Like, we could have-

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Hey, I saw that.

• 1:30:56Chris Ryan?

  Cole Trickle and-

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 1:30:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, listen, a 65-year-old F1 driver sounds realistic.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  I mean, just, just do it. Just, just for what? Fuck it now, right?

• 1:31:05Bill Simmons?

  Senior tour?

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  Like, do it, go ahead and make a movie.

• 1:31:07Chris Ryan?

  What if there was just like a car racing movie and it was just Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise sitting in the stands drinking Michelob?

• 1:31:13Bill Simmons?

  It should be a movie where Tom Cruise has to get his driver's license renewed.

• 1:31:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:17Bill Simmons?

  That's the movie. It's called Renewal.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  We gotta renew.

• 1:31:20Bill Simmons?

  Scorsese or Spielberg? Scorsese?

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  Spielberg. Perfect movie for Spielberg, right?

• 1:31:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I guess so. I guess so.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  Perfect, perfect movie for Spielberg. Am I tripping?

• 1:31:29Bill Simmons?

  I would like Scorsese.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  This is essentially Jurassic Park, but with cars. The cars are the-

• 1:31:34Bill Simmons?

  All right, fine. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? The villain investor? There's no question.

• 1:31:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Peter Banning.

• 1:31:40Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm. Picking nits. I have a slew of them, so go ahead.

• 1:31:45Chris Ryan?

  I mean, the number one thing, from what I've gathered from F1, is that Sonny would not be allowed to just fly to Abu Dhabi and race.

• 1:31:54Chris Ryan?

  Fly premium economy, walk onto the track and be like, "I'm racing."

• 1:31:57Bill Simmons?

  Well, there's, on top of the fact that that's like a 30-hour flight and he would be completely jet-lagged, he's just like, "Where's my helmet?"

• 1:32:04Chris Ryan?

  He's also getting in premium economy seating for, like, a global flight after screwing his back up.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  Right, the whole nine. He's gotta sit.

• 1:32:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's the thing. He's not flying more than four hours without standing up and just going up and down.

• 1:32:16Chris Ryan?

  Uh, my other-

• 1:32:16Bill Simmons?

  They said it is a breach of Formula One rules, by the way. You have to qualify.

• 1:32:19Chris Ryan?

  You do yours.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Well, I got one.

• 1:32:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Have we ever paid attention to the fact that when we compare Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise, there's one thing that Tom Cruise is clearly better at? Brad Pitt is a terrible runner. He looks terrible.

• 1:32:34Bill Simmons?

  Like Seagal level bad?

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Not Seagal level bad. Are you saying that because of the outfits that he wears while he jogs? I'm watching him in the movie when he's running. And it was jarring to me that he was running like this. He looked terrible to me when he was running. He's a bad runner. He's a bad movie runner. Isn't he running in chucks in this movie too? He might be. That might be the reason why his Achilles might be sore.

• 1:32:55Bill Simmons?

  So I thought he was doing a bit because Sonny has a bad back trying to run.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  He's running in character. Maybe. I tried to think of other movies where he ran. There's a little bit of running in Troy. Troy, he looks like deadly athletic, but like in this one, the running was bad. Bad running from Pip.

• 1:33:10Bill Simmons?

  No Seagal though.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  No, come on, man. No Seagal.

• 1:33:13Bill Simmons?

  Seagal just running with his hands by his sides. I have a couple of nick picking nits, including the clumsy Pip boss blonde. What was her name?

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  Jody.

• 1:33:23Bill Simmons?

  She's fired 10 minutes into the movie. You fuck that up once, you're done.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 1:33:28Bill Simmons?

  No, I just think they fire her.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:33:30Bill Simmons?

  They're like, oh, we'll give her another chance. She just cost you nine seconds. She's done.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  You gotta be careful. Fire her, she goes to Ronan Farrow and then.

• 1:33:36Bill Simmons?

  I have a new award to give out.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  You're fucked.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  In picking nits?

• 1:33:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but I think this is a new award we could carry over. It's the Michael Rooker in Cliffhanger. What the fuck are you mad about a word to JP's mom? What is she mad at Sonny for?

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Bill Simmons?

  Her fucking son audiballed and played hero ball.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  She doesn't know what happened.

• 1:33:57Bill Simmons?

  Crashed.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  She doesn't know what happened.

• 1:33:58Bill Simmons?

  She's yelling at Sonny.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  He tells her later. Yeah.

• 1:34:01Bill Simmons?

  I know, but.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  Come on. Tells her later. She doesn't know what happened. It's like, it's actually like, isn't all that stuff on radio and captured? Wouldn't anybody be like, hey, Sonny's mom, like Sonny act or JP's mom? To the radio. She not a part of the team? Yeah, but it's even, don't they broadcast that shit on television? I don't know.

• 1:34:16Bill Simmons?

  Listen, Sonny just has to go, dude.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  Like, yo.

• 1:34:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, somebody's gotta be like, yo, Sonny tried to tell him to wait and he didn't. Michael Rooker is still the worst one though. What are you mad at Gabe for? He's climbing on a lion to save your dumbass girlfriend who shouldn't have been hiking? You a cliffhanger guy or no?

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 1:34:35Bill Simmons?

  Come on.

• 1:34:37Bill Simmons?

  1993 Sonny. When they do the flashback, come on, we have better special effects than this. Spent 300 million on the movie and it looks like Brad Pitt wearing a wig. He looks like he's like wearing Wayne's World's, the old Garth wig.

• 1:34:50Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:34:50Bill Simmons?

  It's just bad. I wanted more realistic.

• 1:34:53Chris Ryan?

  I sent you guys the 1984 Dallas Grand Prix.

• 1:34:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Chris Ryan?

  Uh, on YouTube.

• 1:34:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:58Chris Ryan?

  In its entirety. And it is really crazy to go back and watch like how bad the TV coverage of that was because there's so much time with like, oh, there's a crash. You guys can't see it, uh, because we only have two cameras.

• 1:35:10Bill Simmons?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:35:11Chris Ryan?

  And it's just like some dude hobbling out of his car. He's like, oh, that was, that was terrible, but I, I don't think we caught that, but if you did.

• 1:35:18Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:35:18Chris Ryan?

  Like.

• 1:35:20Bill Simmons?

  Poker games should have been way better. Here's a really good nitpick. So Sonny gets out of the hospital in Las Vegas and the, the investor comes to see him. He's like, I thought I'd catch you. And Sonny's van is in Las Vegas. Why is Sonny's van in Las Vegas? Is he just driving around in a van to all these tournaments? How did it get there?

• 1:35:42Chris Ryan?

  Well, no, I mean, it's, he's been in Europe.

• 1:35:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's flying around with the crew. How does his van get into Las Vegas?

• 1:35:49Chris Ryan?

  Well, the funny thing is is that.

• 1:35:50Bill Simmons?

  How does his trailer get around all these places?

• 1:35:52Chris Ryan?

  That's a great nitpick. Because Bardem picks him up in Florida.

• 1:35:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Chris Ryan?

  And is like, here's a first class ticket. Theoretically, Sonny drove his car to Nevada and put it in a parking lot and then.

• 1:36:04Bill Simmons?

  A parking lot with no other cars. It's just bizarre.

• 1:36:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Bill Simmons?

  You should just be getting in like an Uber.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Right, because at some point he's globetrotting so much that the van has to be like an afterthought.

• 1:36:15Bill Simmons?

  And then the, uh, I just don't think you can hop in an F1 car after a 30 hour flight from Abu Dhabi when you have a metal rod in your back.

• 1:36:22Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:36:23Bill Simmons?

  There's just no way.

• 1:36:24Chris Ryan?

  I would also say one of my picking nits is I think F1 cars to me, drive way too fast so that if you're having like double vision or any kind of cognitive problem while you're driving them, you're just.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  You're fucked, yeah.

• 1:36:37Chris Ryan?

  Like your kid's like, oh, man.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  You're in a rock.

• 1:36:39Chris Ryan?

  Kind of can't see Max back there.

• 1:36:42Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast, untouchable. Too soon to say.

• 1:36:46Chris Ryan?

  I would go.

• 1:36:47Bill Simmons?

  But probably sequel is happening.

• 1:36:48Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:36:49Chris Ryan?

  Nineties prequel of Ruben and Sonny in the earlier days of F1.

• 1:36:53Bill Simmons?

  Prequel?

• 1:36:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  Austin Butler as Sonny?

• 1:36:56Bill Simmons?

  F minus one.

• 1:36:57Chris Ryan?

  F minus one.

• 1:36:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, the rest of the crew, or Wilford Brimley and the firm? What do you have?

• 1:37:08Chris Ryan?

  Will you do a little bit of Mad Dog for us?

• 1:37:10Bill Simmons?

  You want to do some Mad Dog?

• 1:37:11Chris Ryan?

  Mad Dog, talking to Cavendish.

• 1:37:16Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna do a little Herb Street.

• 1:37:18Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:37:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Herb Street, NFL Herb Street. NFL doing the game.

• 1:37:24Chris Ryan?

  Let's hear it.

• 1:37:27Bill Simmons?

  After the crash, when the, in the final scene, when JP crashes with, I think, Lewis Hamilton? And then Sonny's gone for that last lap and Herb Street halfway through the lap goes, "Al, I think he can win this."

• 1:37:46Bill Simmons?

  He might take home the checkered flag, Al.

• 1:37:47Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Herb Street Michaels last night with the Seahawks Rams game were like, "What the fuck? We actually have a game on our hands."

• 1:37:53Bill Simmons?

  Herb Street didn't realize they were going for the, the two-point conversion until they were on the 10-yard line.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  Mike, Al is out of it, guy.

• 1:38:00Bill Simmons?

  It was just brutal.

• 1:38:01Speaker 01

  No, Al is out of it, man.

• 1:38:02Bill Simmons?

  Al missed that. Oh, that was a long game for Al. I love Al, but four hours is a lot.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  Al is, fuck, Al was like, "Oh, a touchdown."

• 1:38:09Bill Simmons?

  Spooka N' Kua, he's got it.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  He's gonna go.

• 1:38:13Bill Simmons?

  I mean, that was the most exciting NFL game we're probably ever gonna have on a Thursday night.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  I can't believe he scored. Okay, let's go.

• 1:38:19Bill Simmons?

  If we had Kevin Harlan on that game, he'd be dead. They'd be like scraping him out of the seat. Did you have a, you have some Mad Dog or no?

• 1:38:25Chris Ryan?

  No, I was just, I wanted, you, you're the better Mad Dog, yeah.

• 1:38:29Bill Simmons?

  What would Mad Dog be mad at in this movie? Just cue me up.

• 1:38:33Chris Ryan?

  Uh, he, that fact, like.

• 1:38:37Chris Ryan?

  Mike, they can't race in Monza when it's raining. They would change the tires, Mike. You can't go hard, soft hard. It's like, here's Impax going through seven drivers. They said on a 51-year-old Sonny bunch.

• 1:38:50Bill Simmons?

  Just want to ask her who gets it, uh, probably the editing?

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  I had the cinematography.

• 1:38:54Chris Ryan?

  I had the guy who invented the cameras.

• 1:38:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so what is the camera thing going or editing?

• 1:38:59Chris Ryan?

  I heard the cinematography, yeah.

• 1:39:02Bill Simmons?

  Probably an answerable question. I brought this up earlier, but is this movie better if Javier Bardem is dressed like Anton Sugar the entire time?

• 1:39:08Chris Ryan?

  That's true, yeah.

• 1:39:09Bill Simmons?

  Just every scene, he's just dressed like that guy in all black with the bowl haircut.

• 1:39:14Chris Ryan?

  Is Sonny anti, is Sonny a little bit racist in this movie?

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  I didn't get it, but he is.

• 1:39:20Bill Simmons?

  A whiff of racist?

• 1:39:21Chris Ryan?

  Like, there is like a line when he's just like, we just called that a participation trophy.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I don't think that he is. I think he's probably, he, he, he clearly was, was a fuck up that had like some skeletons in his closet, but I never got that from him.

• 1:39:34Bill Simmons?

  This is Van's, uh, 2026 podcast we're launching, where we go through famous movie characters.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Are they racist?

• 1:39:41Bill Simmons?

  Man tries to decide if there was a whiff of racism.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  Who do we start with? Start with Superman?

• 1:39:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Jack Nicholson, Colonel Jessup.

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 1:39:49Chris Ryan?

  Kiefer is super racist in that.

• 1:39:51Bill Simmons?

  Just all the characters in A Few Good Men. You just go through the whole cast.

• 1:39:54Chris Ryan?

  They're also all anti-Semitic. They're all like Mr. Weinberg.

• 1:39:57Speaker 01

  You Lieutenant Weinberg! You Lieutenant Weinberg! He hates him. Jesus Christ.

• 1:40:03Bill Simmons?

  Uh, what piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? What do you got?

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  I got the helmet and a part of, so the helmet is good. The helmet is good. Maybe the wreckage from one of the cars. But I will want, what I wouldn't want is the fucking card. I don't like people who throw cards.

• 1:40:21Bill Simmons?

  The deck of cards? That's what I was gonna get you.

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:40:24Chris Ryan?

  Sonny's watch.

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  It's a good one.

• 1:40:26Bill Simmons?

  Watch is a good one. Trailer would be good, too.

• 1:40:30Bill Simmons?

  Uh, the only other thing was that racing magazine that they doctored up.

• 1:40:33Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:33Bill Simmons?

  Thought that would be good when they get framed. Could look at right behind Van. Coach Finstak award, best life lesson. It's never too late to not be the best that never was anymore. That's very wise.

• 1:40:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I have create your own breaks.

• 1:40:48Bill Simmons?

  Best double feature choice?

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  I have dip your, dip your pen in the company ink. It might work out.

• 1:40:55Speaker 01

  What? It worked out? We've seen it.

• 1:40:58Bill Simmons?

  It's worked out.

• 1:40:58Chris Ryan?

  You know what? That is an Office romance that worked out.

• 1:41:02Bill Simmons?

  Office romances should come back.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:04Bill Simmons?

  Was our mess lesson. Okay. Uh, double feature?

• 1:41:07Chris Ryan?

  I'm going Grand Prix, the John Frank and I remember from 66.

• 1:41:10Speaker 01

  I gotta go Days of Thunder. Days of Thunder was my favorite racing movie before this. I think this is not my favorite.

• 1:41:15Bill Simmons?

  Days of Thunder because of Brooke Heimer.

• 1:41:17Chris Ryan?

  There you go.

• 1:41:18Bill Simmons?

  Uh, and then who won the movie? Brad Pitt or F1 or Apple?

• 1:41:21Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna go Joe Kozinski.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  Oh, you know what? I was going Brad, but that's probably the answer. Brad is the easy answer. I think that's probably the answer. Because this means more for Kozinski than it does for Brad.

• 1:41:30Chris Ryan?

  Like, I don't think the Russo brothers could have, like, they, there's, you could fuck this movie up. Yeah, he's, he's the best.

• 1:41:36Bill Simmons?

  I think the answer is Brad Pitt. Because, uh, little bit of a rocky last 10 years for Brad, to say the least. And then, once upon a time, pulled him out of it a little bit, but I think he needed one more.

• 1:41:47Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:41:48Bill Simmons?

  And now I feel like he's bad. No, he's back and nobody talks about. Not as Brad. The off the field stuff with Brad.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  Jesus. Yeah, we didn't give into that. Now, does Brad do, because Kozinski's going on to do, I get Miami Vice. Does Brad, like, hitch his wagon to Kozinski now and, like, try to get more films with him?

• 1:42:06Chris Ryan?

  He's doing an Edward Berger movie and something else, but I think they'll make F2 before it's too late.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, before Brad gets.

• 1:42:13Bill Simmons?

  It's too late. He's gonna be like.

• 1:42:14Speaker 01

  He's 62.

• 1:42:15Chris Ryan?

  Well, there, there is a world for him to be, like, off, out of the car. I mean, he could be in the movie and sell it and they could be Damson versus.

• 1:42:21Bill Simmons?

  He could be the guy who runs the team.

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, he could be the guy who runs the team or if, if they want to make Damson. Because Damson, to me, has a trajectory that's out of this world. Like, a trajectory.

• 1:42:33Bill Simmons?

  Creed franchise for Damson.

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Something like that for Damson.

• 1:42:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  And it's perfect for him because he's, you know, English and it's a cosmopolitan world.

• 1:42:41Bill Simmons?

  God forbid he was not English.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  Who, Damson?

• 1:42:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. God forbid we got a win.

• 1:42:47Chris Ryan?

  The Americans?

• 1:42:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:48Chris Ryan?

  It's just a bigger thing for them, but like, for, for British people.

• 1:42:51Bill Simmons?

  Can we get some more wins in America here?

• 1:42:53Speaker 01

  Sonny won. He won the race.

• 1:42:56Chris Ryan?

  He took it from.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:57Bill Simmons?

  Fucking UK, UK people taking our parts.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:43:01Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that part I agree with you with.

• 1:43:02Bill Simmons?

  That's what I mean.

• 1:43:03Chris Ryan?

  When I saw that Spielberg trailer and it was like blunt and Josh O'Connor pretending to be American, I was like, damn.

• 1:43:09Bill Simmons?

  Fucking had it. We have 50 states.

• 1:43:11Speaker 01

  Can't, can't be.

• 1:43:12Bill Simmons?

  Cajillion people here.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  It only bothers me, and we've had this conversation, it only bothers me when it's like. Uh, I don't know, fucking David, David Yello played Martin Luther King Jr.

• 1:43:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  And then Daniel Kaluuya played Fred Hampton. All of these guys are fantastic brothers, great actors. But we do need at some point coming up now, like Leroy Jenkins Jr. is Jesse Jackson.

• 1:43:38Chris Ryan?

  Right, right.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  Like, we do, we do need at least one. Like Cynthia Erivo, Harriet Tubman. I, I, everybody's the same, no separation. We all cool, we're together. But just give me like Darius Washington is mega Everest. Just give me one, alright? Like, I need one. Jalen Thomas, just one of them, you know? Coleman Domingo did Bane and Rust and all of that. So that's the only thing for a while was getting a little spooky out there.

• 1:44:04Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:44:06Bill Simmons?

  Let's take our corners back.

• 1:44:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:08Bill Simmons?

  Come on, guys. Thanks to Gahal. Thanks to Craig, who's not here today. Thanks to Eduardo. Thanks to Eduardo.

• 1:44:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:16Bill Simmons?

  Uh, that was our last one of, uh, 2025.

• 1:44:19Chris Ryan?

  Do you want to tease what the next thing is?

• 1:44:20Bill Simmons?

  No, well, we have a special episode next week. I don't want to tease it, though. Um, what do you think? What was the best movie we did in 2025?

• 1:44:27Chris Ryan?

  The best movie or the best pod?

• 1:44:28Bill Simmons?

  What was the one you're the happiest we did?

• 1:44:32Speaker 01

  Well, I'd have to think about it.

• 1:44:36Chris Ryan?

  I mean, honestly, it's like recency bias, but high fidelity.

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  Oh, that was good.

• 1:44:40Bill Simmons?

  Interesting.

• 1:44:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  That was good.

• 1:44:42Bill Simmons?

  Cause of Mahoney?

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Oh, you win that.

• 1:44:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I forgot to give him the hottest take category.

• 1:44:46Chris Ryan?

  The Rob Mahoney, yeah.

• 1:44:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:44:49Bill Simmons?

  He turned the whole grunge, grunge universe against him.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  That take pissed a lot of people I know off.

• 1:44:53Chris Ryan?

  I liked Jaws 2.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  I, I, for me, my favorite one, just because the movie is just crazy, was Halloween 2. Halloween 2 is nuts. Like.

• 1:45:05Chris Ryan?

  The guy getting hit by the car.

• 1:45:06Speaker 01

  That is so fucking hysterical.

• 1:45:08Bill Simmons?

  That was really fun.

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  Halloween 2 is nuts.

• 1:45:11Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard 3 was fun. We did a lot of good ones this year. Uh, alright, thanks, Ben, thanks, CR.

• 1:45:27Speaker 04

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