‘It Follows’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Joanna Robinson

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• 0:05Bill Simmons?

  All right, before we start the show, I wanted to mention, we are going to the Pacific Northwest. I've talked about this. I told you we were gonna do it. We are doing it. We're doing the Rewatchables live in Seattle at the Moore Theater on Tuesday, December 1st. And we're following it up with the Bill Simmons Podcast, live at the Newmark Theater in Portland on Wednesday, December 2nd. Megan, Chuck Colston, and join us for that. Chris Ryan's gonna be there for both. We'll see who else joins us. Tickets for both events will go on sale this coming Wednesday, October 21st, 10 a.m. Pacific time, the Ringer dot com slash events will have all the details very soon. I love the Pacific Northwest, and I really, really, really love going to Seattle. I haven't been to Portland in a while. I'm excited for both. Come see us. It's gonna be great.

• 0:48Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by The Ringer Podcast Network. We can find House of Bar with Joanna Robinson.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 0:55Bill Simmons?

  What's going on in the nerd verse lately?

• 0:57Speaker 01

  Oh, so much. Lanterns, have you heard of it?

• 0:59Bill Simmons?

  Lanterns.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Everyone loved it.

• 1:01Bill Simmons?

  Coach Taylor.

• 1:01Chris Ryan?

  You watch that?

• 1:03Bill Simmons?

  Should I watch it?

• 1:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  I think you should. You'd like it.

• 1:06Bill Simmons?

  I support Coach.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  We both, I mean, we wouldn't steer you wrong.

• 1:09Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Chris Ryan, yours truly?

• 1:11Bill Simmons?

  Sierra, what are you up to?

• 1:12Chris Ryan?

  Do you do East of Eden? Did you get on that?

• 1:15Bill Simmons?

  My wife watched it. I couldn't get there.

• 1:16Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:17Bill Simmons?

  I like war. War is kinda my style.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  You're not, you're not.

• 1:20Bill Simmons?

  Like a really cantankerous British divorce.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  I thought you were an Abbott head, Chris Abbott head. You're not?

• 1:23Bill Simmons?

  No, no, I can't totally get there.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:26Bill Simmons?

  I'm Bill Simmons. This is the Rewatchables, and we're doing horror movies all month for some reason. This one, we've been waiting for for a while. It Follows is next. This episode is brought to you by The Home Depot. The Home Depot has everything you need to launch your holiday season in style. Upgrade your yard with this year's hottest holiday decor, including the show-stopping towering Santa. Oh, I like that one. And his impressive reindeer, both 8.5 feet and both designed with incredible detail that stands out day or night. When you want decor that delivers impact, The Home Depot has it. Make your home Santa's favorite stop with the holiday decor you want. All waiting for you at The Home Depot.

• 2:02Speaker 03

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• 2:40Bill Simmons?

  A sex Ponzi scheme.

• 2:43Chris Ryan?

  It kinda is.

• 2:45Bill Simmons?

  An STD entity.

• 2:49Bill Simmons?

  You just pass it to the next person to get rid of it, but it might come back to get you anyway. One of the best horror movie ideas ever.

• 2:56Chris Ryan?

  It's really great.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57Bill Simmons?

  Really, I have almost no notes, just an elite, awesome horror idea. I think one of the best ones ever.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  When you watch this movie, do you, how much of the time do you spend wondering how you would get rid of it?

• 3:08Bill Simmons?

  So that's, we always talk about this with Rewatchables, the what would you do movies?

• 3:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:14Bill Simmons?

  Is there a better what would you do horror movie?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  So it's a great question.

• 3:18Bill Simmons?

  Like the different types of horror where I'm in my house alone for a weekend in a cabin and somebody shows up, what would you do? I'm a babysitter and some guy's coming after me, what would I do? This one is like a whole other level, cuz there's moral complications. You're giving it to somebody, you might be killing them. You also have to figure out how to get rid of this thing that's following you.

• 3:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, this is, uh, this movie concentrates or geolocates the teens having sex trope of horror movies and exploits it and flips it in such an incredible way.

• 3:51Bill Simmons?

  No parents to be seen at all.

• 3:52Chris Ryan?

  Not a single one.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Not a single one.

• 3:54Bill Simmons?

  How, we're taping this.

• 3:55Chris Ryan?

  Well, the mom shows up crucially for great.

• 3:57Bill Simmons?

  I guess a couple parents show.

• 3:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:00Bill Simmons?

  We're recording this at the weekend. My buddy Joe House was here who hadn't seen this movie.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  What do you think?

• 4:04Bill Simmons?

  And he's like, it follows. What's the movie? And I'm like, here's the premise. And I told him the premise, and he was like, wow, that's a, what a great premise. Like, how have I not seen this? It's also hard to believe there hasn't been a sequel.

• 4:16Chris Ryan?

  It's coming.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, they follow.

• 4:17Bill Simmons?

  They have announced that They Follows is happening. So I guess we'll start with, what would you do if an entity was following you? What would your move be, Joanna?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  What is the move? Like, do you find someone you know? Do you just drive out to a beach and die? Do you engage with a sex worker, which is what it seems like Paul does at the end of this movie, and hope they pass it on quickly enough that it doesn't?

• 4:40Bill Simmons?

  Unanswerable about that. Did he contemplate it, or did he do it?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  I think he did it.

• 4:43Chris Ryan?

  Oh, he did it.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  And I think they'll just keep on doing it, to sort of like.

• 4:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, it seems like the only way to beat it is motion.

• 4:52Chris Ryan?

  You're not really beating it.

• 4:52Bill Simmons?

  Keep moving.

• 4:53Chris Ryan?

  You're just avoiding it.

• 4:54Bill Simmons?

  You're, you're buying time.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  The problem is the director said it can get on a plane.

• 4:58Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  So if it can get on a plane, there's nowhere you can go, right?

• 5:02Bill Simmons?

  So this is part of the issue with researching movies like this. The director was a little too chatty about the premise.

• 5:07Chris Ryan?

  I don't think he knew that we were gonna be doing this.

• 5:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I didn't need to. You don't think it was gonna be realized for years?

• 5:11Chris Ryan?

  Like, it's 2014. I think he blissfully is like, look, it's dream logic. Part of the point of the movie is that the kids are kinda stupid or whatever, or they do dumb things. But I don't think he anticipated us being like, so what would you do? Would you get a phone chain going of people you were gonna pass the demon to?

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Do you go to Antarctica? Like, can it follow you to Antarctica?

• 5:33Bill Simmons?

  Well, I'm in the, like, I like that Tarantino's never said what the suitcase is in.

• 5:37Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 5:38Bill Simmons?

  I like that the Eagles never explained what Hotel California was about. They kinda wanted to give it to you. And so this director, cuz, you know, this was a big hit for him.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:46Bill Simmons?

  And he, and he loves talking about it, obviously. So when he got to the part where it's like, yeah, no, no, it doesn't go on a plane. It's like, they're in the movie. You can't say that. Just stop.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  No, it can fly, it can follow you on a plane, it can follow you anywhere. So you're gonna have to either fuck or die, is what this movie is.

• 6:03Bill Simmons?

  Well, thank God we have Bangkok Craig here. We don't get to call him that often. What does Bangkok Craig do with a sexual entity that won't stop following you?

• 6:11Speaker 04

  I was thinking, like, could you confuse it? Like, what's the orgy situation? Like, if you kind of try to spread your seed, if Bonnie Blue is in this situation and she, she doesn't, you know, could Bonnie Blue?

• 6:21Chris Ryan?

  I think that's her first mention on the Rewatchables. Thanks, Craig.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  Could Bonnie Blue be the entity if she has sex with a thousand men in one day?

• 6:27Bill Simmons?

  Or does it just?

• 6:28Chris Ryan?

  The thing is, is that it's still.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  Can you go spread offense, confuse it?

• 6:30Chris Ryan?

  The entity still works backwards. So as soon as somebody doesn't fulfill their end of the bargain.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  It comes back to Bonnie.

• 6:37Chris Ryan?

  It comes back. As Jeff.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Just right on back to Bonnie.

• 6:39Chris Ryan?

  Jeff was worried about this, you know?

• 6:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so it's like, basically a depth chart for the it. And once it wipes out the top person, it goes back down.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:47Bill Simmons?

  So you can think you got passed in the depth chart, but if it wipes out a couple people, it's back to you.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Well, I think that's what happened with Jeff Hugh, right? Is that, like, he thought he had passed it on, and then the girl in the yellow dress shows up at the movie theater. He's like, well, I guess she's dead. Time to pass it on again, right?

• 7:01Bill Simmons?

  I was, when I, I watched this twice in four days, but then I was doing the research. And I thought it was so funny that we were prodding about this together, cuz on White Lotus, who was the guy, Greg? The guy with two names? Greg?

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't remember.

• 7:14Bill Simmons?

  Now I'm blanking the second name, but we called them by the two names the whole time.

• 7:17Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Jennifer Coolidge's.

• 7:19Bill Simmons?

  Jennifer Coolidge's guy, Greg, but then he had his new name.

• 7:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:22Bill Simmons?

  And now we have Hugh Jeff.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Or Jeff Hugh, if you prefer.

• 7:26Bill Simmons?

  Jeff Hugh, whatever he is.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Whatever you prefer.

• 7:28Bill Simmons?

  Now we're back with, uh, double names. Um, I don't know how you'd get rid of it. I, uh.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Do you think you should do a crossover with White Lotus? Like, and it follows what make it White Lotus?

• 7:38Bill Simmons?

  I mean, honestly, it's, I can't believe they haven't done a sequel to this. Think of all the bad movie sequels we've had. This is the best idea for something that could have been a prestige show. They could have done five of these movies. It could have been different things. They could have moved into different countries. And I don't know. I just, I don't know why they gave up on this.

• 7:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, this could have definitely, I mean, you see where the kinds of things that get franchises these days. I mean, this is way more legible than, like, Insidious, you know, or something like that. Like, you're just like, yeah, I know Insidious is like a haunted, it's haunting, but like, this is awesome. This.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  But he's like, I have under the Silver Lake in me.

• 8:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I know. He was like, I need four years.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  I gotta get that out.

• 8:16Bill Simmons?

  Could have passed it out. Well, I was, I had this on one stage the best, but one of the legacies of this movie, cuz it came out in 2014, was it became like a joke you would, I know I've done it a bunch of times, like, you trade for somebody on a team, and the team goes downhill, and then he gets traded again in that team. It's like, oh shit, this, it's like the It Follows, sports trades, but It Follows can kind of jump in different.

• 8:37Chris Ryan?

  Who would be that 2014 person?

• 8:41Bill Simmons?

  I don't, like, for hoops or football?

• 8:43Chris Ryan?

  For hoops. Is that like Corey Brewer? Like, what are we talking about?

• 8:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, somebody with not a lot of playoff games, like Jeff Green?

• 8:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:49Bill Simmons?

  Guess he never won. Wesley said.

• 8:53Bill Simmons?

  Well, I said it was a third generation meta horror movie and I have a Wesley Morris quote about this. But this is, we're basically, Halloween is like ground zero, 1978, which we've talked about Texas Chainsaw. But really Halloween is the influential one. And then we have all the ones from the late 90s that I think we all like, Scream, H2O, all those. Then this is the generation of that, where it's meta, there's homages all over the place to different things we've already seen. They know they can't really make new ground.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Is it doing 90s stuff? I mean, it's definitely doing late 70s, 80s stuff. Is it doing 90s stuff?

• 9:25Chris Ryan?

  I think it's, I mean, it's got some J-horror stuff in it, but that would be probably early 2000s. So I didn't really get a ton of tongue in cheek, like meta textual stuff.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  We didn't get a Jennifer Love Hewitt in a like, you know?

• 9:38Chris Ryan?

  Or here are the rules to like slasher movies.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Where are you? Come find me.

• 9:42Chris Ryan?

  But it has all the, framework is, is all of that. You know, it's like the Scooby Doo gang getting chased by a, by a killer.

• 9:48Bill Simmons?

  Wesley wrote, "Ominously thrumming synth score with a deep debt to John Carpenter, check. Adolescents straight out of a nightmare on Elm Street, desperately trying not to let down their guard and go to sleep, check. A knack for making even daylight seem uncanny that recalls Kathryn Bigelow's Near Dark, check."

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Ooh, yeah.

• 10:06Bill Simmons?

  Near Dark's a good one.

• 10:07Chris Ryan?

  Good shout.

• 10:07Bill Simmons?

  It's a stealth. It's a Tubi classic.

• 10:10Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. That's like a, also like a cinephile classic now.

• 10:14Bill Simmons?

  It's weird with this one, cause I think there's been a lot of either predictable horror or franchise horror or whatever. This is one of the few like true rewatchables for me. I get sucked in on this one and I don't really a hundred percent know why, but I think it goes back to the what do you do?

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:32Bill Simmons?

  You know?

• 10:32Chris Ryan?

  Do you think it's like Easter eggs too? Like you pick up on things after second, third viewings that you didn't notice before?

• 10:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I, I do because like one of the things about it is how you never really know what year you're in.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  That's the best part of the movie.

• 10:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like it feels like there's a 25 year age range just in the, in the movie in general.

• 10:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Bill Simmons?

  In Detroit, it's like, I don't know where we are. You could watch this movie now, I think it came out now, or it came out in 1995 or 2001.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  1980, early 1980s, like the synth, the fashion, you know?

• 11:03Bill Simmons?

  The way it's shot, which I know you're gonna dork out about later, cause there's some really cool cinematography with this. But, uh, and it's like beaten down Detroit, which is cool.

• 11:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Bill Simmons?

  It just, it takes you into this weird world and I don't.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Well, the era, the Detroit as horror movie setting, which you get with like, with this, Don't Breathe, Barbarian, Only Lovers Left Alive. Like there was just this real era of just sort of like Detroit, it's fucked. What a great place for a horror movie. And like the fact that he's from Detroit, the filmmaker's from Detroit, and this is just like, he's, I just think he's the perfect setting for this movie, for, for horror in general.

• 11:41Bill Simmons?

  Cause it's cheap.

• 11:42Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 11:43Bill Simmons?

  And it's creepy.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:44Bill Simmons?

  And, and you, you get to go like, there's shots of these streets where you're like, holy shit.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  But it just like reflects the theme of the movie too, which is about sort of like dashed expectations of the youth of America and it's like.

• 11:56Chris Ryan?

  It's definitely post housing crisis.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Exactly. What better place, Detroit, you know?

• 12:00Chris Ryan?

  Kinda has like, um, decaying Haddonfield, you know? Like it looks like Haddonfield of Halloween, but you're like, but nobody's cleaned up the sidewalks in a while. And like the windowsills are all fucked up and like, everything is kind of like a little bit dilapidated. The only technology in this, I think, is Yara's.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  The shell phone.

• 12:19Chris Ryan?

  Kindle, uh, reader phone thing. Like nobody's really like texting each other. Uh, that probably would have helped, you know, heads up.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  But the shell phone, the, the shell phone, which like looks futuristic is what parts of, part of what makes it so anachronistic.

• 12:32Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  They're constantly encoded phones, uh, you know, so you're like, okay, this could be the 80s. And then she's on a device from a hovercraft essentially. And you're like, when the hell am I? And like, there's a line in this movie about how they are white kids from a white suburb and they don't go below eight mile and they don't go into the city.

• 12:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  But I'm like, these are the posh suburbs when like everything looks as, as rundown as it does. And that's just like really interesting.

• 12:58Chris Ryan?

  There's also like the weird thing where it's like, is it, is it August or is it December?

• 13:03Bill Simmons?

  Like their, their clothes are changing all the time.

• 13:05Chris Ryan?

  At the lake, but wearing sweaters.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  She's in school.

• 13:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And I think it ends on Halloween, so it's probably the fall, but sometimes.

• 13:14Bill Simmons?

  It seems like she's home for break, but then she's in class.

• 13:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:17Bill Simmons?

  They're at the lake, but then they're wearing jackets. And I, I never know if it's intentional or not with the director with that, or it's just the way the weather was.

• 13:26Chris Ryan?

  No, I think it, I think everything is.

• 13:27Bill Simmons?

  It feels like it probably was intentional, right?

• 13:29Speaker 01

  He's trying to disorient you constantly. Yeah.

• 13:32Bill Simmons?

  Detroit movies?

• 13:35Bill Simmons?

  Joanna mentioned a couple.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:37Bill Simmons?

  Out of Sight.

• 13:38Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Beverly Hills Cop, RoboCop.

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  Beverly Hills Cop for what? The first 25 minutes?

• 13:43Chris Ryan?

  Sure. Yeah.

• 13:44Bill Simmons?

  Eight Mile, RoboCop. Green Torino.

• 13:48Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:49Bill Simmons?

  True Romance?

• 13:51Chris Ryan?

  A bit for, for a section.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:53Bill Simmons?

  Transformers?

• 13:55Chris Ryan?

  I hadn't really thought about that.

• 13:57Bill Simmons?

  Those were the ones, those were the ones I, I found. But we're in surreal Detroit with, it's basically ambiguous. We know we're in modern Detroit, but it also feels like we might be in like 1987 Detroit and you just never have any idea.

• 14:11Chris Ryan?

  Can we talk about this movie in, like this moment in horror in 2014?

• 14:17Bill Simmons?

  It's very important. It's a, it's a really, it's this time where we didn't know whether horror was still gonna make money or not and whether everything was just gonna go right to VOD. And it's so different than now where horror is one of the only reliable.

• 14:30Chris Ryan?

  This is the start of that.

• 14:31Bill Simmons?

  Box office things.

• 14:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And like.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Like prestige horror.

• 14:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like elevated horror, prestige horror. Horror has always been an on-ramp for directors to get their stuff seen. So, you know, going back to George Romero, it's like, hey, if I put zombies in this, I think people will come see it. We just did Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Toby Hooper's like, I'm looking at all the lines of people going to Night, Night of the Living Dead. Like I should make one of these to get my career going. Then horror around this time starts to become, I can Trojan horse all these different ideas I have, both cinematically and thematically. And as long as there's like five jump scares, like it's gonna get, it's, I think I can get this made. And that goes all the way back to like Baghead for the Duplass brothers who were just like, let's just like, if we, if we wrap this in a horror.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:20Chris Ryan?

  Wrapping paper, it'll get, it'll get made. And so this moment in, in horror movies is so interesting, cause the tens is really where a whole new group of people who maybe ordinarily wouldn't have watched horror get involved with it. And they start to see it as, God, this is not only like pretty, it works at the box office now, but it's also like almost awards worthy in the, in terms of like Get Out and Hereditary and, and some of the movies that are coming out around then.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  I think it's if also, you talk about what happens with Scream, and I know you did last summer into the early aughts and what was happening then. And then I feel like horror moved into this real CGI, special effect heavy space for a while. And this comes back to sort of grounded horror of like, there isn't. Yeah, there isn't, there aren't special effects in this.

• 16:06Bill Simmons?

  Saw, Rob Zombie era, that I felt like horror lost its way for like five years.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 16:11Bill Simmons?

  I genuinely didn't like where it was going.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:13Bill Simmons?

  Um, for a while. But yeah, I, there's one other aspect, I thought you were gonna say it when you were doing, I liked what you said. There's like a Moneyball aspect to it too, right?

• 16:23Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:24Bill Simmons?

  Horror's cheap.

• 16:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:25Bill Simmons?

  Like, I didn't know, I didn't know who the fuck Michael Monroe was.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  No one did. No one's in this movie.

• 16:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. This is the Halloween motto. Like, let's get all people, nobody knows who the fuck they are. They didn't, usually they would have the one name actor who's like the dad or whatever. They don't even have that in this movie. They film it in Detroit, which is dirt cheap. It's, they make it for less than three million bucks probably. There's no, they use no songs in the movie. There's no like, oh yeah, then when they use whatever, it's just like basically this awesome score.

• 16:52Chris Ryan?

  You can still see it today, man. I went to go see Other Mommy on Friday and the trailers were Exorcist Martyrs, which looks really good. But it was this movie River. And, you know, there are actresses in it that are notable, but you could tell that the crowd was like, I'm seeing that. Just based on the trailer and the scares, like it doesn't really matter Barbarian, most people didn't know who was in Barbarian.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:16Chris Ryan?

  Most people don't know who was in, most people didn't know who Austin Abrams was when they went and saw Resident Evil. They're just like, that looks fucking scary.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  We just talked about earlier this year, yeah.

• 17:25Bill Simmons?

  I don't think you need stars for horror movies like that.

• 17:28Chris Ryan?

  I think it's better when you don't have them.

• 17:30Bill Simmons?

  Like, like Conjuring, they had Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson, right? Who were famous, but they weren't A-listers. They were recognizable. They give you credibility. Cause it's like, oh, I've seen those people in a couple of things. So I know this isn't like a, you know, a $5,000 movie. But it's not like you needed.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  You don't, but then sometimes, but sometimes it's fun when like Hugh Grant does a horror movie, you know what I mean? Like that can be really fun too.

• 17:53Bill Simmons?

  That was part of the gimmick. What movie was that? I like that movie.

• 17:56Chris Ryan?

  It's not, I wanna say it's Hocum, but it's her.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Her, her, her, her, heretic.

• 18:02Chris Ryan?

  I can't remember.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Heretic?

• 18:03Chris Ryan?

  What is it?

• 18:03Bill Simmons?

  Heretic.

• 18:04Chris Ryan?

  Heretic.

• 18:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 18:05Chris Ryan?

  Saw that in the theater.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  My brain just stalled off.

• 18:08Bill Simmons?

  I saw this in the theater, too. But it did feel like things were shifting right here.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:11Bill Simmons?

  And I think this was the first time people realized this could be one of the Moneyball ways to make money with movies in Hollywood.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  It's funny, though, when you talk to the people who make horror about this idea of prestige horror, elevated horror, I've only ever heard pushback on that. I don't remember if we talked about this with Obsession, because they're like, that implies that other horrors is... Yeah, exactly. I don't know. But I think this just feels like it's doing something on a different level than most other horror does.

• 18:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, it's really hard to like pin any one of these directors and say like, okay, you're part of this emerging genre, but into the 2010s with Get Out, Hereditary, The Witch, Green Room, The Invitation, all really awesome movies.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:57Chris Ryan?

  But, you know, I think they, they definitely...

• 18:59Bill Simmons?

  Barbarian, Midsommar.

• 19:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like, they definitely took on a different kind of like feel. And 824 comes in and all these different like factors arrive. But like, it definitely felt different.

• 19:11Bill Simmons?

  Well, I liked what you said about real artists using this as a way to then be a jumping pad to something else. Which, I think when John Carpenter made Halloween, it was like, somebody's paying me 25,000 to kill some babysitters for 90 minutes, let's figure out a plot.

• 19:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:25Bill Simmons?

  Now people are like, if I, if I can cheat with this, this will lead to this, this, this, this.

• 19:30Chris Ryan?

  This is a movie about my mother.

• 19:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  It was also a time when like Fantastic Fest, which is like, happens in Austin in October, which is like a, you know, horror genre fest, became this like place you had to go.

• 19:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  To Fantastic Fest, to see these movies before anyone else saw them.

• 19:46Bill Simmons?

  Craig, you're not a horror guy, though.

• 19:48Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 19:48Bill Simmons?

  Did you, did you feel like you were, did people, was this a conversation piece for you?

• 19:52Chris Ryan?

  This movie?

• 19:53Bill Simmons?

  Just in general, like, people are like, why do you like horror movies? What's wrong with you, man?

• 19:57Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, there's usually like always a group of people who I feel like are my people. There are like no horror people, like the Never Nudes, you know, in Arrested Development?

• 20:04Bill Simmons?

  You guys are an endangered species, though.

• 20:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, I'm starting to break down a little bit, because horror is just becoming such an undeniable part of like the box office and pop culture, like Obsession and Backrooms and stuff like that. That it's like, you kind of have to see horror films now, because it's not just like a subset, where it's like, oh, there's the Paranormal Activity people, but like, you don't have to see that. Now it feels like the big horror films of the year are a part of the narrative of Hollywood every year.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, once Amy Madigan wins an Oscar for Weapons last year, and then Obsession and Backrooms and everything that we talked about earlier this year. Molly Rubin is a never horror person, and she broke and pivoted to horror this year.

• 20:40Bill Simmons?

  I, I mean, I honestly still can't believe it.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  It follows us all, it comes to us all.

• 20:44Bill Simmons?

  I never thought it would happen with her.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but here she is.

• 20:47Chris Ryan?

  With Mal, yeah.

• 20:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, ever. She would, she like would physically get scared.

• 20:52Chris Ryan?

  I forget, did she watch Obsession?

• 20:54Speaker 01

  She did.

• 20:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah? How'd she handle the cat?

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Poorly.

• 20:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  But she got through it, man.

• 20:59Bill Simmons?

  I, I flew up from Boston on Saturday night, and House was coming for the weekend, because we do NBA over-unders. But his flight was like three hours before mine.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:08Bill Simmons?

  So he came to my house early, my wife was there. And I showed up at 12, and I, I didn't know what they were doing, I was like, I'll be home. And they're watching Obsession, and he had never seen it, and she loves it. She's seen it like four times. And I come in right at the scene when they invite her to the party, and she

• 21:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Bill Simmons?

  flips out and does the person sitting on your left, that scene. And I come in and House is just like...

• 21:32Bill Simmons?

  And I'm like, hey, I'm home, and he's like... But horror movies are so good now. And you go back to like Paranormal Activity is a good example. It got just super lazy in the 2000s. We either, it was like just a ton of gore.

• 21:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it was a lot of torture porn.

• 21:46Bill Simmons?

  Or it was like found footage, like just, oh, we'll make these till the cats come home. Or like Ouija board, or the, oh, this...

• 21:53Chris Ryan?

  Ouija 2 is good, though.

• 21:54Bill Simmons?

  I, I, listen, I've seen all of these. I'm not shitting on the, on the genre. But I do feel like something shifted right around here and has kept going now for 12 years.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're saying that if you put a Dostoevsky in a horror movie, it'll really just do something for the genre?

• 22:10Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  A little T S Eliot?

• 22:12Bill Simmons?

  There's some heat check moments for our director in this. Micah Monroe, really quick, Gen Z scream queen. It follows the guest, Greta, villains, long legs, and watcher.

• 22:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Bill Simmons?

  She's routed off, plus They Follows.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Guest is so good.

• 22:26Bill Simmons?

  She, there's something about her... Well, I mean, in this movie, I wrote down, classic horror movie final goal trope. Just wants to find the right guy, a little insecure, doesn't think she's as cute as she actually is, but then strangely resourceful as the movie goes along, which is like check of 50 years of horror.

• 22:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:48Bill Simmons?

  There's something about her, though, that she can work as like the cop trying to figure out what's wrong.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:54Bill Simmons?

  Or the person with baggage, or the person who's just wide-eyed, how did I get in this?

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:59Bill Simmons?

  And she can kind of be any of those three.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Because in The Guest, she's the like, you know, the person trying to figure out, why'd I, trying to figure out what's going on. I just watched Long Legs, which I hadn't seen. I watched it just so that I could get the full

• 23:10Chris Ryan?

  Micah Monroe experience.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Micah Monroe experience before this podcast.

• 23:13Bill Simmons?

  What did you think of Long Legs? Did you like it?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  I haven't slept since I saw it. I saw it this afternoon, we'll see if I sleep tonight, we'll see. But she's, yeah, she's the cop in that, you know?

• 23:23Bill Simmons?

  In the running for the Fourth installment of Horror Month, if we do it.

• 23:27Chris Ryan?

  Long Legs?

• 23:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's in the running.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Will you do, will you do the whole pod?

• 23:30Chris Ryan?

  I don't think you'll ever live down your Hereditary review of Long Legs, though.

• 23:33Bill Simmons?

  What was that one?

• 23:34Chris Ryan?

  Noble effort. Is what you said.

• 23:37Bill Simmons?

  I, I rolled it back.

• 23:38Chris Ryan?

  I said, did you like it? And you're like, no.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  But what if...

• 23:40Chris Ryan?

  Noble effort.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  But what if you do the whole pod? What if you do the whole pod in The Voice?

• 23:45Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's what I was thinking.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Something to think about.

• 23:47Bill Simmons?

  Or maybe I don't host, I'm just a guest, but I'm dressed as Long Legs.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just pop up behind the chair.

• 23:51Bill Simmons?

  I think it's aged pretty well. I, I, in the theater, I was like, eh, good try.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Make it a live, Netflix Live Halloween episode, you dressed as Long Legs.

• 24:01Chris Ryan?

  That'll do numbers.

• 24:05Chris Ryan?

  My ringer 107 this week.

• 24:07Bill Simmons?

  Hello? Hi.

• 24:12Bill Simmons?

  Written and directed by David Robert Mitchell, who then did, waited four years, did Under the Silver Lake. I, a movie that I haven't discussed with Joanna, but I guarantee she likes.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Guess what? I, I hated it the first time I saw it, but I really love it now. I got it.

• 24:27Bill Simmons?

  What do you stand on it?

• 24:28Chris Ryan?

  I like it.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:29Bill Simmons?

  It's fucking weird.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  It is weird.

• 24:31Bill Simmons?

  Garfield's really going for it in it.

• 24:33Chris Ryan?

  It's nice to get a weird one every once in a while, you know?

• 24:35Bill Simmons?

  I agree.

• 24:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:36Chris Ryan?

  An uneven weird movie.

• 24:38Bill Simmons?

  They used to do these, like Michael Caine made this movie called The Hand, that you could probably find on Tubi, where he's, he's a writer.

• 24:46Chris Ryan?

  Michael Caine made a movie?

• 24:47Bill Simmons?

  Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, he's a cartoonist.

• 24:48Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 24:49Bill Simmons?

  And he's getting divorced, and he's arguing with his wife, and his hand's out of the car window, and they get in an accident, his hand gets chopped off. They can't find the hand.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Hereditary is hand?

• 24:59Bill Simmons?

  They can't find the hand. It's actually a great premise, it was before It's Time. Can't find his hand, and guess what? He starts losing it, and the hand starts strangling people.

• 25:07Chris Ryan?

  Oh, wow.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  It's like Idle Hands.

• 25:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  A great horror movie.

• 25:11Bill Simmons?

  It's 1980s special effects, so the hand's like crawling along.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  It's like, it's from the Addams Family.

• 25:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:17Bill Simmons?

  Pulling strings and stuff now, but that was the kind of movie they would make back then, and

• 25:22Chris Ryan?

  That was definitely the kind of movie Michael Caine would make back then.

• 25:25Bill Simmons?

  Caine's like, how much money?

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Under the Silver Lake is a, yeah, it's a postmodern conspiracy thriller. I watched it after, again, after I moved to Silver Lake. And just to sort of see if I...

• 25:35Bill Simmons?

  Scouting, Silver Lake scouting mission?

• 25:36Speaker 01

  See if I liked it better, and I did like it better. Uh, have you seen Artificial yet?

• 25:40Chris Ryan?

  I have not.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Great Andrew Garfield performance.

• 25:44Bill Simmons?

  I heard.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  It's so good. I'm...

• 25:47Bill Simmons?

  I've always been pro Garfield.

• 25:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he's great.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Me too, I'm a huge Garfield fan. I feel like he could, he's running in supporting actor, I feel like he could do it.

• 25:54Chris Ryan?

  He's running in supporting actor for Artificial?

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's not the lead in the movie, actually.

• 25:58Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:58Bill Simmons?

  You a Garfield guy, Craig?

• 25:59Chris Ryan?

  Sure, yeah, of course.

• 26:01Bill Simmons?

  Same half-hearted. He also did Oak Street, a movie I have not seen yet.

• 26:06Chris Ryan?

  End of Oak Street, yeah.

• 26:07Bill Simmons?

  End of Oak Street.

• 26:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  I thought it was fine.

• 26:09Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Did you, did you love it?

• 26:11Chris Ryan?

  I really liked it, but it really was one of those like, why'd you make that? Why'd you make this, bud?

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:17Chris Ryan?

  You know, it's like...

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Where's They Follow?

• 26:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, or just, yeah, it was just sort of, it's like a strange 80s nostalgia piece that also is kind of like Scary Jurassic Park in the suburbs, but...

• 26:28Speaker 01

  It's just really fine, and I feel like Ewan McGregor is deeply miscast.

• 26:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:32Bill Simmons?

  Do you think They Follows is, is David Robert Mitchell's version of people asking me where the Almost Famous Rewatchables is? No, no, it's coming, it's coming.

• 26:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:41Bill Simmons?

  Hey, we're working on it.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Well, they shot, I guess they shot it this summer, so it's actually coming.

• 26:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Bill Simmons?

  I have some info on that later.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Oh, great.

• 26:47Bill Simmons?

  $1.3 million budget made $23.3 million. Pretty good. And then I feel like has had a real shelf life on cable and on streaming.

• 26:56Chris Ryan?

  It made all the like best horror of the decade, best horror of the century lists, and is, is a very beloved cult classic.

• 27:03Bill Simmons?

  I think, yeah, I think in the last five, six years, especially during COVID.

• 27:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  When Mal was asking people, like, online, what, what horror movie she should watch, this was, I think, the number one most recommended movie.

• 27:16Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:16Bill Simmons?

  Wesley Morris?

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Maybe because they know it's, she would like a horny horror movie.

• 27:20Chris Ryan?

  And there's no, no cats.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:21Bill Simmons?

  I mean, honestly incredible she hadn't seen it yet. It's kind of checks a lot of boxes for, no Rog for this, but we do have Wesley Morris in 2015 writing for a site called Grantland.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 27:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Have you heard of it?

• 27:33Bill Simmons?

  It Follows is a better-than-decent, less-than-great genre film. I, I texted this to him this weekend, just like, whose most original quality is a sick joke inversion of the premise of Friday the 13th in the 80s horror ilk that the teenagers who have sex are always the ones who get slaughtered. But then he says it deserves the theatrical run it's getting, the film absolutely carries its weight. I think he likes it more now.

• 27:58Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 27:59Bill Simmons?

  Wesley's one of those slow burner, you got to put him on the crock pot for

• 28:02Chris Ryan?

  He's also like, Wesley comes from like, I'm writing the two to three reviews a week

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 28:08Chris Ryan?

  of film criticisms.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  But I also think it lingers with you. It like really grows on you, this movie.

• 28:12Chris Ryan?

  It, It Follows.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  It Follows.

• 28:14Bill Simmons?

  Great theater experience, super creepy.

• 28:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:17Bill Simmons?

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• 30:22Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene. The movie date gone wrong with Hugh Jeff. First of all, great theater. This movie was ahead of its time with awesome.

• 30:35Chris Ryan?

  You're really skipping the first scene?

• 30:36Bill Simmons?

  Huh?

• 30:37Chris Ryan?

  You're skipping the first scene?

• 30:38Bill Simmons?

  Which scene?

• 30:38Chris Ryan?

  Annie's death?

• 30:39Bill Simmons?

  I don't like when her leg goes backwards, but we can put it, it's fine.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  It's fucking amazing!

• 30:47Bill Simmons?

  No, it's great.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Can you put that on the quote?

• 30:49Bill Simmons?

  First scene is great. You're right.

• 30:51Chris Ryan?

  You're like, what am I watching? What is she scared of?

• 30:53Bill Simmons?

  What is she scared of?

• 30:54Speaker 01

  What is she looking at?

• 30:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  She changed her shoes.

• 30:57Chris Ryan?

  The dad being like, are you okay?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Everyone offering to help her and she's like, no, no, no, I'm fine, but clearly panicked.

• 31:03Bill Simmons?

  Well, how do you feel about running in a nightgown and high heels?

• 31:05Chris Ryan?

  I mean, if you're the dad, you need to be like, hey, let's go. We're going back in the house. What's going on?

• 31:10Speaker 01

  But she changes into more sensible shoes. No pants, but more sensible shoes.

• 31:13Bill Simmons?

  Every parent in this is an F minus. Like, if that's my daughter just freaking out and running back in the house, then out of the house, I'm like, wait, where are we going?

• 31:21Chris Ryan?

  Wearing nightie and some heels?

• 31:22Bill Simmons?

  Where are you going?

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:24Bill Simmons?

  I have, alright, that scene?

• 31:25Chris Ryan?

  And then the first date.

• 31:27Bill Simmons?

  Movie date.

• 31:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  So we're just gonna, let's just go chronologically through every single scene of the movie.

• 31:32Bill Simmons?

  I only have seven. Jay wakes up handcuffed to a chair.

• 31:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Bill Simmons?

  Cause of Hugh. The chloroform scene is really creepy, especially, first time you watch this, you don't know, is he the killer? What's happening? You don't, if you don't know the process.

• 31:47Chris Ryan?

  I just love how they structure the scares in this movie because, you know, contemporary movies usually throw something really fucked up and jump scary in the first five to 10 minutes now, cause they're like, gotta grab your attention. And you'd think that that first Annie kill, the first kill.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Broken back leg.

• 32:07Chris Ryan?

  Leaves you for like 40 minutes of like, cause if you watch Halloween, it's like, you're sitting around watching this guy watch people for a long time before a real scare happens.

• 32:16Bill Simmons?

  He was a voyeur, Michael Myers.

• 32:17Chris Ryan?

  He jumps it up a level here.

• 32:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 32:21Chris Ryan?

  With the, with the Annie getting tied to the wheelchair bit, it's such, it's so ingenious.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think my favorite scene, I mean, I don't know, my favorite scene is her in the backseat of the car talking about her hopes and dreams. And then, I think it's the way, like, it's shot so dreamily and then he comes in and he like tenderly like kisses her on the shoulder, like, you know, it's not like he just like comes in hot with the chloroform, he just like kisses her tenderly and then the chloroform comes out.

• 32:49Chris Ryan?

  Fucking Hugh.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  He didn't have to do all that. Didn't have to do a movie date, didn't have to do all the things that he did.

• 32:54Bill Simmons?

  I forgot to ask Craig if there's been an NFL injury where the guy's leg was pointing up and then facing completely backwards.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Taekwondo, kind of just have that on the cheese. His ankle was gone.

• 33:04Chris Ryan?

  That is definitely injury jazz.

• 33:06Bill Simmons?

  She dances like, we're not gonna show you what just happened. Just so Jay handcuffed to a chair, I need to remember what I'm saying, this thing, somebody gave it to me, I passed it to you in the back of the car. Like, can you imagine just hearing somebody tell you that? This thing, what thing? What, what'd you just pass to me?

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:29Bill Simmons?

  Is it an STD?

• 33:30Speaker 01

  I'm already chloroformed and handcuffed to a chair, so I don't think you can really surprise me.

• 33:34Bill Simmons?

  I'm not gonna hurt you.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Can I ask you, horror movie dork, to dork out with me on the idea of like us getting all the rules right at the beginning? Us not having to figure it out, all the rules are laid out for us right at the start?

• 33:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and they give you the rules in a remedial way. It's not like there is an ancient witch.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:53Chris Ryan?

  Who was given an STD in Salem and ever since then she's been like, no, it's just like, hey, it almost seems like a urban legend or like a creepypasta. And my favorite thing about this scene is they do such a good job, he does such a good job shooting this movie from Jay's perspective without really like forcing the matter. So like, you kind of, you're seeing her, but you're seeing like Jeff is like walking around the background of the flashlight and you're like, is he gonna kill her? Like, what is happening? Like, it's just, it's a really ingenious bit of POV filmmaking.

• 34:28Bill Simmons?

  And then we get naked lady on the railroad tracks where you're, this is what, this was the, okay, motherfucker. It's like, okay, now we're going. I don't know what that lady's doing and why she's slowly walking over to Jay.

• 34:40Chris Ryan?

  And that's Jeff's mom, right?

• 34:43Bill Simmons?

  We needed like a little scouting.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Is that Jeff's mom?

• 34:46Chris Ryan?

  It is Jeff's mom.

• 34:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's stuff in the research that I just wouldn't have guessed watching the movie.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  I think I got most of the other ones, but I didn't realize that one was Jeff's mom.

• 34:53Chris Ryan?

  Easter egg, where's Waldo?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 34:56Chris Ryan?

  But, yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Jeff's mom.

• 34:58Bill Simmons?

  We needed like almost in the.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  So later when she shows up with just one tit out, that is like actually.

• 35:02Chris Ryan?

  It's also Jeff's mom.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Well, I know, but that's like an improvement over just like wandering naked on the railroad tracks.

• 35:07Chris Ryan?

  The demon gets a little lazy later in the movie of just going like, I'm Greg, I'm Greg's mom, I'm Greg again, you know, like.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  I'm your grandpa, I'm your dad.

• 35:13Bill Simmons?

  Would you have wanted stats start in the movie, like when, when somebody's shooting free throws in NBA game, they're like, Jason Tatum, 31 a game this year. It's like Greg's mom, age 48.

• 35:22Chris Ryan?

  With her right boob out, she kills 60% of people.

• 35:27Bill Simmons?

  We get the, the classroom scene where they're reading a little T S Eliot and then all of a sudden Barbara Bush is coming after her. I enjoy that. We get the topless, no teeth peeing lady is here all of a sudden.

• 35:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, sleepover.

• 35:42Bill Simmons?

  And then all of a sudden giant black eyed tall guy is showing up, my favorite character in the movie.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Tall guy, yeah.

• 35:49Bill Simmons?

  And shit's going down and she's gotta get out of the house and get the fuck out. We have the pool house scene, which includes crunchy glasses, white t-shirt lady who gets shot in the neck and just gets up and tall guy comes back and then creepy Michael Sarah guy comes in.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  The neighbor.

• 36:06Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:07Bill Simmons?

  I really enjoy the lake house, that's my most rewatchable scene.

• 36:09Chris Ryan?

  Creepy Michael Sarah.

• 36:10Bill Simmons?

  Creepy Michael Sarah comes in, getting, we get a little car accident, we get a poor Greg dies and his half naked mom is, I don't know, grinding on him?

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yep, that's my most rewatchable scene.

• 36:21Chris Ryan?

  I have that, Greg dies getting fuck killed by his mom.

• 36:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I did not have that as my winner.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Classic.

• 36:27Chris Ryan?

  That's my door flares door.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  I don't think there's a worse way to go.

• 36:31Bill Simmons?

  It's very short, but naked guy in the house, just for, whoa, what's going on?

• 36:37Chris Ryan?

  Taunting penalty right there.

• 36:38Bill Simmons?

  And then, and then the pool trap.

• 36:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:42Bill Simmons?

  10 out of 10 idea.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Naked guy, is it?

• 36:45Bill Simmons?

  No, for, for, it was a terrible idea to try to kill the entity, but.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Oh, for a movie set piece?

• 36:52Bill Simmons?

  A really fun scene.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 36:54Bill Simmons?

  We're out of ideas, we'll try to get him in the pool, we're gonna throw some electronics in there.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  I just like, love that the kids had a terrible idea. They should have a dumb idea.

• 37:01Bill Simmons?

  I really enjoy this scene, everything. Bearded t-shirt guy, okay, Jay's dad, he comes in.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Paul really thought he did something. He's like, I got it.

• 37:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  And then you're there, you're like, wow, this is the worst idea you probably could have had.

• 37:12Bill Simmons?

  The shooting's good, the headshot, I like when bullets go through water and miss.

• 37:15Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 37:16Bill Simmons?

  And then finally we get him.

• 37:17Chris Ryan?

  Very late period bond, yeah.

• 37:19Bill Simmons?

  And then there's some, you know, Jade protecting the sister, not, cause the sister can't see the dad.

• 37:24Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 37:25Bill Simmons?

  It's like, who was it? I, it's, it's fine.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't wanna tell you.

• 37:28Bill Simmons?

  Didn't wanna say it's my dad, so, that's what I got. What do you have for most rewatchable CR?

• 37:33Chris Ryan?

  Jay waking up when, after Jeff has drugged her.

• 37:37Bill Simmons?

  Oh, in the weird area?

• 37:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:39Bill Simmons?

  I like the lake.

• 37:40Chris Ryan?

  That's the Dan Campbell moment.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  I think, I think Greg getting, uh, fuck.

• 37:43Chris Ryan?

  Fuck killed by his mom. Come on, say the whole thing.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Sorry, fuck killed by his mom, the technical term.

• 37:50Bill Simmons?

  Brian fuck killed?

• 37:51Speaker 01

  It's just like you're watching, you're like, what am I, am I, okay, that's what's happening.

• 37:56Bill Simmons?

  I have the lake house. Greg's here. Leaf blowing. I didn't tell you I was gonna do this, I'm gonna rank the its.

• 38:06Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 38:07Bill Simmons?

  From eight to one.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Can't wait.

• 38:09Bill Simmons?

  At number eight, topless, no tooth peeing lady.

• 38:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:12Bill Simmons?

  Didn't really enjoy her.

• 38:13Chris Ryan?

  I didn't know what her story was.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  What about, she's, she's one sock on, I kinda liked that.

• 38:17Bill Simmons?

  I feel like urinating was trying to tell us something a little extra about something, but I didn't really get it. Naked railroad tracks lady is number seven.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:26Bill Simmons?

  Jay's dad, bearded t-shirt guy, six.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Really?

• 38:31Bill Simmons?

  Needed.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  He needs to be higher.

• 38:33Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I got better people. Crunchy, white t-shirt glasses lady?

• 38:38Speaker 01

  That's her friend, Yara.

• 38:39Chris Ryan?

  Yara, yeah.

• 38:40Bill Simmons?

  I liked her demeanor, I liked her vibe, she was just like a Terminator.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I love that moment when she's walking behind her and you're like, there's Yara, and you're like, uh-oh, Yara's in the water.

• 38:48Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  I mean, the fact that the it is always wearing white is helpful, but it's, you know.

• 38:54Bill Simmons?

  Greg's half naked mom, four. Barbara Bush, three.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:58Bill Simmons?

  Fentanyl Michael Sarah, two.

• 39:00Chris Ryan?

  Fentanyl Michael Sarah is the kid who bursts through the door, right?

• 39:02Speaker 01

  The neighbor kid who was spying on her in the pool.

• 39:05Bill Simmons?

  Uh, number one, crazy tall guy.

• 39:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, a real guy.

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  I'm giving him the Todd Parker award for best character entrance. I wanted more of him. He, he has a twin in real life, I think they should have used both. I don't know where the other one was.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  He's a basketball player, is that right?

• 39:20Bill Simmons?

  He's seven foot seven in real life.

• 39:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:22Bill Simmons?

  Did you know this?

• 39:23Chris Ryan?

  Mike Lanier.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Mike Lanier.

• 39:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he gave him a black eye and put some white pancake makeup on and then he just went to work.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  There's just nothing freaky about somebody who's super tall. We're in a real golden era of that. You know what I mean? Backrooms, they got the tall guy.

• 39:37Chris Ryan?

  And my relationship to it is entirely through basketball, so I think I always view it as like, oh, this is amazing, like, but.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Some giant monster coming in.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Just the way he comes in behind her.

• 39:47Chris Ryan?

  Wendy in a horror movie?

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:49Chris Ryan?

  I mean, Patrick Ewing in Exorcist III is very scary, you know, like, it's, it can really work.

• 39:54Speaker 04

  So there a giant person in Barbarian?

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:58Bill Simmons?

  We don't, we don't hit giants enough in horror.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  And it's a lady. Um, I gotta put dad as number one, like, I think your dad.

• 40:06Chris Ryan?

  It hits home.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  You know, your dad trying to drown you.

• 40:09Bill Simmons?

  Sentimentality.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  But it's so.

• 40:11Bill Simmons?

  He certainly was the most resilient.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Well, this is, yeah, two headshots, still going.

• 40:15Bill Simmons?

  He was whipping TVs, like Drake, man, he was flying them along.

• 40:19Chris Ryan?

  Okay, we've now gotten a little settle down juice. Served you. That guy's back.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  But I think, uh, you know, what, what the director said is that the, basically the entity just takes whatever form it thinks can most mess with you.

• 40:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  So like naked, like that's her grandfather naked on the roof. So that's naked grandpa on the roof is pretty fucked up. But your dad, and he's also said this movie's about abuse. And in a way that I don't know entirely know how to parse. So I wonder if dad in the pool was like abusive towards them. Sort of like, that's a culmination.

• 40:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that, I didn't know how far to go with that in the pod, but there's definitely some theories.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:54Bill Simmons?

  Like urinating is a sign you might've been abused when you were a kid.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:58Bill Simmons?

  And that's why urinating lady was in there. Who knows? I was trying to think who my final pool scene, it follows person from my life would be.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:07Bill Simmons?

  And I think it would be Sal.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:09Bill Simmons?

  But the thing is Sal wouldn't be dead. He would just be fucking with me pretending he was an it follows guy.

• 41:15Chris Ryan?

  Right boob out. Yeah.

• 41:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Just, just try to come after.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  He just shows up in white and just keeps shambling towards you.

• 41:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. See, I was definitely greenwald.

• 41:22Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah.

• 41:25Chris Ryan?

  Would or wouldn't alarm me to see them walking slowly towards me. You know what I mean? You're like, hey buddy, oh wait.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  That's the other trick of this movie. You mentioned the, the JPOV. There's also just sort of like, because it can look like anyone.

• 41:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  And sometimes it, sometimes it's naked, but sometimes it's clothed. You're just constantly scanning the horizon for someone.

• 41:44Chris Ryan?

  There's a bunch of them.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there's a bunch of them who are like, I mean, that one great moment where they're, he's like, you see her? And everyone's like, yeah, we see her. Like, it's just a girl. But like, you're constantly vigilant.

• 41:54Chris Ryan?

  But that girl kinda looks like a demon.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 41:57Bill Simmons?

  Who would be the best it follows ringer character? Danny Kelly?

• 42:02Chris Ryan?

  Danny Hyfitt.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, Hyfitt.

• 42:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Hyfitt's.

• 42:06Chris Ryan?

  Hyfitt's just be like, I don't wanna talk to you right now.

• 42:08Bill Simmons?

  Hyfitt's just naked on a roof.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  With some ham.

• 42:13Chris Ryan?

  With fridge ham.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:15Chris Ryan?

  Beach ham.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Beach ham.

• 42:16Chris Ryan?

  He's got a lake ham in Detroit.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, lake ham. Uh-uh.

• 42:20Chris Ryan?

  That was just great. You always have ham.

• 42:23Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 2014 thing about this movie, CR?

• 42:27Chris Ryan?

  I had it being post 2008 housing crisis.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I said post-occupy.

• 42:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:33Chris Ryan?

  That's a good one. Abandoned houses that you can.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Disappointed millennials.

• 42:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Economically disappointed millennials. Still living at home.

• 42:41Bill Simmons?

  I had, uh, 2015 funnier die had a spoof of it follows called what follows after watching it follows. It was right at the tail end of funnier die.

• 42:49Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 42:50Bill Simmons?

  Like funnier die rooted in 2012 to 15. When we was like, oh, funnier dies doing a spoof.

• 42:56Chris Ryan?

  I remember that. Was it, was it funny in the spoof?

• 42:58Bill Simmons?

  I don't think it was.

• 42:59Chris Ryan?

  I don't remember that.

• 43:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I think this was.

• 43:00Chris Ryan?

  Funnier die, like it kinda peaked with, between two ferns, you think?

• 43:03Bill Simmons?

  It peaked during great.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  It was a lot of or die. A lot of or die. You know what I mean?

• 43:07Bill Simmons?

  Like I found 2011, 12 or somewhere around there. That's when it felt like it was hitting it.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then college humor sort of came up. Um, I'm also her side bangs. I know I'm sitting here with side bangs right now, but I'm just gonna say her side bangs are very 2014.

• 43:21Chris Ryan?

  Okay. Side bangs.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  A lot of flat ironing was involved.

• 43:24Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for the fluid gondolli butter on my ass, live pops in my mouth award for something you just enjoy?

• 43:29Speaker 01

  And I just hate to disappoint you, Bill, but it's Annie's leg broken all the way backwards.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  I just like it.

• 43:37Bill Simmons?

  So awful. It's like the Tyree Kill injury last year with.

• 43:41Chris Ryan?

  Jump cut right to that, the smash. Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  I just like it. And I just like to think about how it happened.

• 43:47Bill Simmons?

  It's pretty great. What do you have?

• 43:49Chris Ryan?

  The Scooby Doo gang trope of kids trying to figure out like what's coming after them.

• 43:54Bill Simmons?

  Hmm. I have, uh, when the director's like, I love Halloween. I'm gonna do multiple homages.

• 44:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:01Bill Simmons?

  And I get all of them. Because I've seen Halloween 130 times. Uh, the opening scene, Halloween type street shot could easily have been the street that they go for the second half of the movie. Like the trees, the leaves are down. The girl in the opening scene of the film, Annie.

• 44:18Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:19Bill Simmons?

  Annie dies.

• 44:22Bill Simmons?

  Jay walking with her friend toward the camera on the street and the camera's going backwards.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  That's the most Halloween.

• 44:27Bill Simmons?

  A fucking ripoff of the Jamie Lee and her two friends walking.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  And he's, what's a ripoff and what's an homage?

• 44:33Bill Simmons?

  Homage.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:34Bill Simmons?

  It, he's doing it intentionally.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:36Bill Simmons?

  And then she's in the classroom with the boring teacher.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:40Bill Simmons?

  Looking out the window. It's like just, that's Jamie Lee looking out the window and seeing the station wagon.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Um.

• 44:46Bill Simmons?

  So for like legitimate in the first half hour.

• 44:48Chris Ryan?

  Jamie Lee's like, how did Michael Myers learn to drive?

• 44:51Bill Simmons?

  What's he doing?

• 44:52Chris Ryan?

  Crazy.

• 44:53Bill Simmons?

  Guy's a mascot.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  But when Greg, when, when it Greg is breaking into Greg's house and she's like trying to call him on the phone, that's nightmare, right?

• 45:03Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Nightmare on Elm Street.

• 45:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And the whole being afraid to fall asleep is.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:08Chris Ryan?

  It's very nightmare.

• 45:09Bill Simmons?

  Pretty heavy. What's age the best? I mean, the biggest thing for me, phenomenal score of this movie.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:15Bill Simmons?

  Done by disaster piece.

• 45:17Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:18Bill Simmons?

  Bizarre name. Uh, the director was a huge fan of the video game Fez. Disaster piece did the music of that. And he asked them, will you score my movie? And this is especially in the theater. You get one of those loud ass theaters and it's just pounding.

• 45:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:34Bill Simmons?

  Really great. I thought obsession was like this too. In the theater, just pounding.

• 45:39Chris Ryan?

  A track on this soundtrack has like eight million streams, like Detroit, I think is the name of the song or song. And I think this gets used a lot.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  It's like this and drive are like the, the synthy soundtracks that really went.

• 45:53Bill Simmons?

  I also had Detroit, which we talked about. I had the pick someone in the room you'd wanna be game. I thought was kinda fun.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:02Bill Simmons?

  I'd wanna be that kid. Cause I'd have my whole life ahead of me.

• 46:04Chris Ryan?

  That also kinda goes towards your point of like, when is this movie taking place? Because that's not a game that I feel like people would play before, after the invention of television.

• 46:15Bill Simmons?

  Now they'd be on the date just on their phones. Yeah.

• 46:17Chris Ryan?

  You know what I mean? Where you're just like, hey, let's just like, wanna just do a little mind teaser right now?

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Remember when we used to stand in lines for roller coasters and you just had to talk to people? What a time.

• 46:27Bill Simmons?

  We used to play, do we ever talk about this? The game we used to play the name game?

• 46:31Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 46:32Bill Simmons?

  Where you'd say Joanna Robinson.

• 46:34Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Robinson Crusoe.

• 46:35Bill Simmons?

  Then you'd say Robinson Crusoe. You, you would just keep, try to keep going as long as you possibly could go.

• 46:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:41Bill Simmons?

  And then it would end and you would start again. Cause we had nothing else to do.

• 46:44Chris Ryan?

  And then you would say Alex Caruso and I'd be like, it's spelled different. And then we would get in a huge fight about it. Yeah.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Our version of that was actor, movie, actor. Like you name an actor, then you have to name a movie. Yeah.

• 46:53Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's good.

• 46:54Bill Simmons?

  Hmm. I have, uh, Paul, the supportive friend of our final girl who's also secretly in love with her is one of my favorite horror movie tropes. He'll just do anything.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  A real Justin Long type.

• 47:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Kierkegaard Chris.

• 47:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have sex with you and see what happens.

• 47:10Chris Ryan?

  I think he's angling for that early.

• 47:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He's like it follows.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  From the beginning.

• 47:15Bill Simmons?

  Fuck this thing.

• 47:15Chris Ryan?

  He's like.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Remember when you could find a word together?

• 47:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:19Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for, for, uh, what's age the best?

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Simplicity of promise.

• 47:22Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  You know, like, I just think that, um, it's so funny when, when, when the director talks about pitching this movie, he's like, I never said the premise out loud because it was too embarrassing. I would just present like the looks of the movie, but I'm just like, this is a perfect elevator pitch movie, like premise. And most other horror movies, you know, they're, it's very complicated to explain. This is so easy.

• 47:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. If you're explaining barbarian, you need a few sentences.

• 47:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:47Bill Simmons?

  This one, it's like.

• 47:48Chris Ryan?

  Well, I sex demon follower.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Three words, sexually transmitted demon.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:53Speaker 04

  STD.

• 47:53Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for what's age the best?

• 47:54Chris Ryan?

  Couple of things. Uh, the unobserved or unnoticed followers. So, uh, the guy outside of the restaurant when Jay and Jeff are on their date.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:06Chris Ryan?

  Who's like coming towards the window. Uh, Jeff's mom and Jay, that's Jeff's mom. We mentioned her. Um, but the lady in white at Jeff's high school and the guy following Jay and Paul in the last shot.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  But, but like, what I like about that is.

• 48:21Chris Ryan?

  It's all ambiguous.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like, and I love that. Um, that it could be unobserved. Like, oh, you, they, the characters missed it, but we didn't.

• 48:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Or it could like, especially the last one. Cause like, you know, are they being, are, are they free or are they forever being followed? Um, I love that.

• 48:38Bill Simmons?

  Then they flip it. Cause there's the one with the soccer girl coming home from practice. And you think it's her and he's like, huh, huh, who's that? And then she's like, hey, how are you?

• 48:47Chris Ryan?

  Just go to practice.

• 48:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  That reminds me of, um, in haunting of Hill House, all the ghosts that are like, just like there in the background that are never called out.

• 48:54Chris Ryan?

  Um, I also had the fact that this group of kids just gets along and that for rewatching purposes, it's just very pleasant because for the most part, like the group is pretty supportive of each other. Like, nobody is like, I don't believe her.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Everyone believing her is wild.

• 49:11Chris Ryan?

  Been like outwardly.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Except for Greg, but then.

• 49:14Chris Ryan?

  Bleed a lot. Like it has like kind of a nice vibe of a hangout despite the fact that they're being.

• 49:20Bill Simmons?

  Well, they, it, they established in the first 40 seconds, cause the girl farts in front of the other four people and they all laugh. And it's like, oh, these people have been hanging out forever.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Well, what I love about it is like rewatching it. Cause it's her younger sister and her younger sister's friend.

• 49:33Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  And so at first I was like, this is my same question with obsession. I'm like, why does she not have any friends? But then she has that conversation with Greg where basically it's like, she graduated high school and she stayed and everyone left. And it's just her and this one dude she fucked in high school. She's like, she's at the JC. And so it's just like, all of her friends are off at college. So she's that sort of like left behind, like townie, I don't know what my future is kinda person. And she's hanging out with her younger sister and her friends. And I just love that part of it.

• 50:02Bill Simmons?

  And he would say just best for you? You did a mo.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  I did.

• 50:05Bill Simmons?

  Okay. And I have it follows jokes or that's.

• 50:08Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:09Bill Simmons?

  The, this is one of the rare movies you can pull into.

• 50:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I also had like the consistency and the repetitive nature of a lot of the imagery in it. Like all the water, the pool.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:19Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 50:19Chris Ryan?

  The woman peeing, the lake, like the swimming pool at the end. Like, there's just like a really good use of like, here's an image that we're gonna return to over and over and over again. Backseat of the car shot. Yeah.

• 50:31Bill Simmons?

  Great shot, Gordo. Most cinematic shot. What do you got, CR?

• 50:34Chris Ryan?

  I got lots, but the one I always go back to is, um, Jay fondling the flower coming out of the concrete before she gets drugged. Cause it's like her last moment of innocence, basically.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Jay in the car talking about her dreams. Same, same thing.

• 50:46Bill Simmons?

  Do you like handcuffed to the chair, three sixties? Sometimes you don't like the three sixties. You think it's a little show off.

• 50:51Chris Ryan?

  It's earned in this because it's always from a POV.

• 50:53Bill Simmons?

  CR gets a little, if you're gonna get through three sixties and drone shots over a city, you've really gotta earn CR's respect.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Drone, drone, I'm out. I'm out on drone shots.

• 51:03Chris Ryan?

  Get a real chopper up there.

• 51:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  You cowards.

• 51:06Bill Simmons?

  I thought, I like shots in the pool and I like when the pool fills with blood. I thought it's, looks cool.

• 51:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:11Bill Simmons?

  For a movie that was not expensive.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:13Bill Simmons?

  Dennis, Benny Hahn, awards scene still in location.

• 51:16Chris Ryan?

  This was my flex.

• 51:17Bill Simmons?

  It's the lake house over here?

• 51:18Chris Ryan?

  This, I, I had, this is my flex.

• 51:20Bill Simmons?

  Oh, go ahead.

• 51:21Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I was just gonna say the, the movie theater. The ra, it's a real movie theater called the Redford Theater.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 51:27Chris Ryan?

  Uh, in, outside of Detroit. And they, they do play the Whirlitzer organ before this, the show. Pretty cool.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Did you have a theater where they played the Whirlitzer?

• 51:35Chris Ryan?

  I did not.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Shout out to Castro Theater in San Francisco. They play the Whirlitzer. And then it goes down into the floor.

• 51:40Chris Ryan?

  Players in, in Philly in the nineties. Yeah.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Oh, man. Come on.

• 51:45Bill Simmons?

  It's a great theater. I thought.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  You know, he uses the Whirlitzer, the cannon cross.

• 51:49Chris Ryan?

  That's true.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Just a fact.

• 51:53Bill Simmons?

  I thought it might be the same theater that, uh, Christian Slater takes Trisha Arquette, Alabama in True Romance. But I don't think it is, because they filmed that at the Vista in LA.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Oh, did they?

• 52:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Aren't they, they're up in a balcony, aren't they, in that?

• 52:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but I, I just thought, because it was Detroit, I was like, oh, maybe it's the

• 52:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:12Bill Simmons?

  Wasn't the same one. Big Kuna Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink. There's just a great shot of hand dipped ice cream in this.

• 52:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:21Bill Simmons?

  Which comes from, uh, Clark's Ice Cream in Berkeley at the corner of 12 Mile and Tyler.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:27Bill Simmons?

  But it's got hand, hand dipped ice cream and yogurt. And it's like, just show me one of these. And they've fucking close up on it with the sprinkles and maybe you want one.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  I loved it.

• 52:36Bill Simmons?

  She's eating it and she tells her friends about her crazy life.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Yara eating, uh, in the hospital at the end.

• 52:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:43Chris Ryan?

  A lot of great, just kids drinking soda all day long.

• 52:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Chris Ryan?

  Going on in this movie.

• 52:47Bill Simmons?

  That's another thing where you don't know what year it is. Chess Rockwell Brocklanders Award, Best Character Name, it's gotta be Hugh.

• 52:54Chris Ryan?

  Or Jeff.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Jeff Hugh?

• 52:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Not Jay Height? I kind of think Jay Height's a great name.

• 52:59Bill Simmons?

  Jay Height?

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:01Bill Simmons?

  I didn't, I don't like Jay.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Jay for Jamie.

• 53:04Bill Simmons?

  I didn't love Jay as a

• 53:05Chris Ryan?

  Short for Jamie?

• 53:06Bill Simmons?

  Heroin name.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Jay for Jamie, I like it.

• 53:09Bill Simmons?

  Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award, Best Needle Drop, there are no songs in this movie.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Okay, can I shout out, though, there's a moment when, uh, Jeff Hugh, uh, drops her off, uh, after he has, like, assaulted her in the street. His car backfires and the sound of the backfire goes into this, like, reverb of the score.

• 53:29Chris Ryan?

  Oh, seriously?

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just like a seamless, like, car backfire into this, like, eerie synth score moment. It's really good.

• 53:38Bill Simmons?

  Was there a better title for this movie? No way.

• 53:40Chris Ryan?

  He, he mentioned sexually transmitted demon.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Can I pitch?

• 53:44Bill Simmons?

  STDemon?

• 53:45Chris Ryan?

  STD.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  STD, STDemon. Can I pitch, uh, itch follows?

• 53:51Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 53:52Bill Simmons?

  Itch follows.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:54Bill Simmons?

  It's pretty good.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Maybe it should be STD colon itch follows.

• 53:58Chris Ryan?

  It itches.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Itch follows.

• 54:00Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award, Wink Wink of the Movie.

• 54:03Chris Ryan?

  Uh, if they make Paul a little bit older, does his rivalry with Greg kind of feel a little bit more tense and viable, or?

• 54:14Speaker 01

  If they make Greg Taylor kitschier, does that work better?

• 54:20Chris Ryan?

  Like, more, like?

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Rigginsier.

• 54:24Chris Ryan?

  I think Daniel Zavato is pretty Rigginsy in this.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  But like, Rigginsier.

• 54:28Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  He's like Riggins light, you know what I mean? I want to go full Riggins, full sense Riggins.

• 54:33Bill Simmons?

  Paul is my number two choice.

• 54:35Chris Ryan?

  What's your number one?

• 54:35Speaker 01

  What's your number one?

• 54:36Bill Simmons?

  I just felt like Paul, I, I wanted a little more from that one. I don't know, maybe it was the choice of how the actor played it, but.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  What's your number one, then?

• 54:44Bill Simmons?

  The swimming pool plan, even though I loved that scene.

• 54:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:47Bill Simmons?

  Is so fucking stupid, and I think they know it. Mitchell said, it's a kid movie plan, it's something Scooby Doo and the gang might think of that was sort of the point. Ultimately, it's a resort of fighting it that is, it's accessible to you in the physical world, that's really not going to cut it. But it's intentional, but it's also like, it really is one of the dumbest plans.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  And it just must have taken them so long to, they didn't even have, like, a shopping cart or something to help them with. Like, it was just like, one TV and hairdryer at a time, to like, line out a tight pool.

• 55:17Chris Ryan?

  They like, set it up so, like, particularly, like, where they're like, and then we plug this in, and then this thing, and then this thing. And it's like, cool, you've just given this guy all these, like, rockets to throw.

• 55:27Bill Simmons?

  Thanks for all the equipment.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 55:30Bill Simmons?

  Did you do a week as like?

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Um, I think Daniel Zavato, I like Daniel Zavato, I, I like Don't Breathe, I think he's really good in that movie. But I think, I think Greg needed to be like, something a little bit more, for her to like, no, like.

• 55:45Bill Simmons?

  You just wanted, you wanted Tim Riggins in 2008 for Greg.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  I did, I did, like, I, because

• 55:51Bill Simmons?

  Or a Lordy in 2019.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  She already had sex with him in high school.

• 55:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  He treated her badly, like, he's like, I guess I should have been nicer to you.

• 55:58Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  So the fact that he shows up and, like, immediately worms his way back into sort of the inner circle, I feel like he needed to have, yeah, yeah. Or just like, have a little bit more irresistible quality to him that, like, Tim Riggins does, where, like, Tim, you know, no matter what Tim Riggins does, you're like, and then he convinces someone to do it again, and you're like, sure, it's Tim Riggins, what are you gonna do?

• 56:20Bill Simmons?

  Well, how old do we want this guy to be?

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Well, he needs to be her age.

• 56:24Chris Ryan?

  So she's 20, 21?

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:27Bill Simmons?

  I know who it should have been.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Should have been.

• 56:28Bill Simmons?

  I had this coming later, but I'll do it now. Should have been Craig Rolbeck. This is right when he's in LA trying to become an actor.

• 56:34Chris Ryan?

  I'm in college, but yeah, close, I could have popped up.

• 56:36Bill Simmons?

  Right around here, you could have easily, this could have been your first role.

• 56:38Chris Ryan?

  You'd be like, hey, I don't watch horror, you know, so, I could have played it really authentically, yeah.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:43Bill Simmons?

  I thought you could have done it. What's Age the Worst? I didn't have a ton for this, but, uh, the peeping Tom kids, I never really understood that part.

• 56:51Chris Ryan?

  I think it's just supposed to be like, she's being watched before she starts getting followed, like, there are pri, there's like a

• 56:58Bill Simmons?

  Counter, just get rid of them, I don't, I don't really understand why they're in the movie.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Well, like, her as this, like, she's so beautiful, she's blonde, like, her, you know, her sister and her sister friends are like, she's so beautiful, she's so beautiful, it's a problem. This idea that she was like, maybe like, the hottest girl in her high school or something like that, but now she's stuck at home, and it's just like, the neighborhood boys are still staring at her, because she's this leftover sort of prom queen sort of figure.

• 57:22Bill Simmons?

  So if it's 2014, this is not criminal activity that people should know you can't do.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  But also, they're children?

• 57:30Chris Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 57:30Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 57:30Chris Ryan?

  Kids and kind of a dilapidated Detroit suburb.

• 57:33Bill Simmons?

  They're climbing up her side and looking through the window, like, I don't know.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  I mean, that's how George McFly met his life, so what are you gonna do, you know?

• 57:42Bill Simmons?

  That's my point.

• 57:43Chris Ryan?

  A modern day, you think those kids are like?

• 57:45Bill Simmons?

  I think in 2010s, you kind of know not to do that.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  My Age the Worst, I, and this is no knock on, I think, the winner, uh, title of the movie we've come up with, which is STD colon itch follows, but the, the, the number of people who think this is just an allegory for STDs.

• 58:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  I'm like, that's not what this movie is. And they're like, it's about the perils of AIDS, and I'm like, it's not. So I would say bad reads, bad reads of the movie.

• 58:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I had a similar one for What's Age the Worst, which is, I think, contemporary audiences focus way too much on the intelligence of the characters and whether or not they're doing the right thing, or the smart, making the right call. And this movie is like, no, these people made a mistake with the swimming pool, and I think if it had come out like today, people would be like, these kids are fucking idiots.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Number one cinema scene.

• 58:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  The hairdryer plan.

• 58:38Chris Ryan?

  Because you watch, like, I think it's, it's a pretty common thing now to, like, watch TV or movies and just be like, I would never have done that. I would have totally done this instead.

• 58:47Bill Simmons?

  I think sometimes when you watch these things, you have to remember that some up and coming director had an idea, like, in this case, the research of it was this, the director had always had a nightmares of being followed.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:00Bill Simmons?

  And he was like, that should be a movie. And then he was like, oh, what if it was because person has sex? And that's really it, he wasn't trying to really say anything else other than that. He merged two different ideas together and that became the movie.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  But I think that's, I mean, I would say partially it's why this movie is so good, because I feel like you can tell when someone is making a story based on, like, a primal fear of theirs, something like that, so this is his, do you have a recurring nightmare, Bill? Do you want to say it into a microphone?

• 59:26Bill Simmons?

  No, I really don't. The, the only one that I always have, every once in a while, is that I'm somehow back in class and I'm not prepared for the test.

• 59:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:36Bill Simmons?

  And

• 59:37Chris Ryan?

  Anxiety dreams.

• 59:37Bill Simmons?

  I hadn't figured out how to cheat.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  You showed up to the rewatchables and you didn't even half ass the research, no research?

• 59:43Bill Simmons?

  Dreams about now for anxiety, it's always about like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm in this poli sci class and I'm not prepared. And so maybe I have, like, I don't know.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  But I feel like if you, I don't know how you pitched that movie, but I feel like if you make a pitch, a pitch a movie out of, like, something that has haunted you your whole life, like a primal fear, I think that you can always tell, uh, and that's the case, like, the fact that, when I found out that this had been a recurring nightmare of his, I was like, yes, that makes sense to me.

• 1:00:11Chris Ryan?

  I don't have recurring nightmares, I have memor, I have nightmares that I remember still to this day, but I don't have a recurring one.

• 1:00:17Bill Simmons?

  I had a nightmare that I got a Colin Askey once and they traded Jalen Brown for Paul George, and I woke up and my wife broke the news.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  And then they made shirts about it, yeah.

• 1:00:26Bill Simmons?

  The Ruffalo Hannah Ruben Partridge overacting award, or we can give out the Stallone and Rambo two under acting award. Which one do you want to do? Because I'd rather give the latter to Paul.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's Paul. I like here, go with her some other things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:41Bill Simmons?

  A little more energy from you, buddy.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Bill Simmons?

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• 1:02:02Bill Simmons?

  What do you got, Joanna?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  I'm gonna honor my pal Van Lathan and say, did this movie need more black people? It's set in Detroit.

• 1:02:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  I think it did. It's like her, her community college teacher, that's about it.

• 1:02:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Maybe one of the sex workers at the end.

• 1:02:20Chris Ryan?

  The two cops who were like looking at the crime scene in the beginning, yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  So Naomi Akie is second billed in the, uh, in the, in the sequel, so I think we're gonna rectify that, but...

• 1:02:29Bill Simmons?

  I think at least one of her friends, maybe you throw it in. We just did this category with Van for Friday the 13th.

• 1:02:35Chris Ryan?

  And he was like, no, we're good.

• 1:02:36Bill Simmons?

  But he did, he did the, uh, the list of, or did he do it for, what, what did he do it? You were, you were with me for this. I think it was Friday the 13th.

• 1:02:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Bill Simmons?

  Where he did movies that had the most characters that would know black people with the highest percentage was. Was it Friday the 13th?

• 1:02:53Chris Ryan?

  He did his top five movies that didn't need black people.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, this one at least had a couple.

• 1:03:00Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.

• 1:03:06Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna go first.

• 1:03:09Bill Simmons?

  Rolling the dice for a one nighter with the It Follows girl.

• 1:03:15Bill Simmons?

  At every point in my life from age 18 to 27, I would have said fuck it.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Can I tell you after my experience?

• 1:03:22Bill Simmons?

  That's my hottest take.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  After my experience.

• 1:03:23Bill Simmons?

  There's a take your span where I'm like, just fuck it. Okay.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  After my experience doing Hannah Rocks to create a little obsession with you guys, I've been waiting for this take, which is just sort of like, worth it. Worth the demon STD.

• 1:03:33Bill Simmons?

  There is no time.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  For one night with Jay.

• 1:03:36Bill Simmons?

  At no time, at any point during those 10 years where I wouldn't have said, talked myself into it.

• 1:03:41Chris Ryan?

  It also goes straight into your doctrine of bet on yourself. You're, you're counting on the idea that you can score again sometime in the next couple of nights.

• 1:03:51Bill Simmons?

  You know what? I would have driven away from the demon house with no seatbelt and I, and I would have, would have believed in myself that it was gonna work out.

• 1:03:59Chris Ryan?

  Did they, did they put a time cap on how long you have to pass it along?

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:04Chris Ryan?

  It just is.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  The limit does not exist.

• 1:04:05Chris Ryan?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Jeff Hugh being like...

• 1:04:08Bill Simmons?

  I think I would have enjoyed the first six months trying to get rid of, rid of It Follows. I didn't, probably wouldn't have had a job.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Jeff Hugh rationalizing, picking Micah Monroe because he's like, you're pretty, you can, you can have sex with anyone, it's fine. Yeah, no problem.

• 1:04:20Bill Simmons?

  Do we change the Catherine Trammell, would you throw your life away for this obvious takeaway award to the, would you have sex with the It Follows girl award?

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think you should just call it the Bill Simmons I would award.

• 1:04:33Bill Simmons?

  I mean, you think about it, you weigh the pros and cons, and then you're like, you know what? I could get out of this.

• 1:04:38Chris Ryan?

  Catherine Trammell replace Edie Falco from Copland?

• 1:04:42Bill Simmons?

  That's a different one. We also have the Edie Falco one too.

• 1:04:44Chris Ryan?

  Throw my life away.

• 1:04:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's, that's a different one.

• 1:04:46Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:04:46Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for hottest take?

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  I think this movie is better than Obsession, Hereditary, and Weapons. Interesting. I do.

• 1:04:54Chris Ryan?

  What was, why did you pick those three?

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Just off the top of my head of people who are the, or like Midsommar, like, and the ones, the ones that people are like, this is really elevated, this is really... I do think this movie is saying so many things. I think it has a lot on its mind. And I think it, uh, I, I peel back more every time I re-watch it. Like every time, um, you watch again and you hear the way that she talks about her future and how disappointed she is and how like, she talks about dreaming about holding a guy's hand, but where would I go? And at the end, she's holding Paul's hand and her hand is, and her hand is broken and she's walking around her own street and it's just so devastating. I think this movie's great.

• 1:05:33Bill Simmons?

  I'll piggyback on her hottest take. If this movie just comes out right now, I think it makes like a hundred and eighty million dollars.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:05:41Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 1:05:42Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:42Bill Simmons?

  It made 21. I don't know what changed in the last 12 years, but if it had a real...

• 1:05:46Chris Ryan?

  Other mom is the number one movie in America right now.

• 1:05:48Bill Simmons?

  Right. If this had a big studio behind it with this premise, don't you think? Craig's Mr. Box Office.

• 1:05:53Chris Ryan?

  Definitely. I agree.

• 1:05:55Bill Simmons?

  At least 100?

• 1:05:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. This movie would, it's very similar to Obsession.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Chris Ryan?

  I'll be very interested to see how the sequel does though, because I think part, part of what people are responding to with horror is the newness and the freshness. And I'm sure they'll put together an amazing trailer for it and people will be really excited, but I, I do think there's something about like, this is one of the few genres where you can get surprised. And if it's just like, hey, we're gonna play the hits, you know?

• 1:06:22Bill Simmons?

  Counter. No trailer.

• 1:06:25Chris Ryan?

  No trailer.

• 1:06:26Bill Simmons?

  All I need is They Follows and show me like one second of something. I don't need to know, I don't wanna know anything.

• 1:06:31Chris Ryan?

  You think it's gonna be They Follows or just They Follow?

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  I thought it was They Follow. It's They Follows.

• 1:06:36Chris Ryan?

  There's an S?

• 1:06:37Bill Simmons?

  No, it's They Follow.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, here, can I give you one spoiler?

• 1:06:43Bill Simmons?

  I said They Follow.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:06:45Bill Simmons?

  They Follows.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  I was just letting it roll. Um, Paul's not in They Follow, so I guess that's a...

• 1:06:51Chris Ryan?

  He's not?

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:52Chris Ryan?

  That's a good, you want nail. I'll have that for later.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Paul didn't make it to the sequel.

• 1:06:58Chris Ryan?

  My hottest take is not really, we talked about it in the intro, but, uh, I think Micah Monroe has the Scream Queen belt still with competition from Jessica Roth and Samara Weaving.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:10Chris Ryan?

  I think it basically goes Jamie Lee in the eighties, Neve Campbell in the nineties. My aughts one is actually Naomi Watts. Because I have her for Ring and Ring Two, the Funny Games remake, and Mulholland Drive, which are not the latter.

• 1:07:26Bill Simmons?

  I'd throw in Impossible, even though it wasn't a horror movie.

• 1:07:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  King Kong, its own, sure, kind of horror.

• 1:07:32Chris Ryan?

  Uh, and then I think Micah Monroe takes it in the tens.

• 1:07:34Bill Simmons?

  Naomi Watts is a good one. I don't think she gets enough credit for being in like a bunch of really good horror movies.

• 1:07:40Chris Ryan?

  Well, I don't, Mulholland and Funny Games are not, I guess, strictly speaking horror.

• 1:07:45Bill Simmons?

  Funny Games is a fucking horror movie.

• 1:07:48Chris Ryan?

  But it's like, it's terrestrial. Like there's no supernatural element of it, I guess.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 1:07:52Chris Ryan?

  Um, but yeah, so that's my, my Scream Queen belt right now.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:07:56Bill Simmons?

  Funny Games is a rewatchable for me because I fucking hate the dad in that movie. The loser.

• 1:08:04Chris Ryan?

  Wait, did you say it's a rewatchable for you?

• 1:08:06Bill Simmons?

  No, I said it's not a rewatch, it's not a rewatchable, because it's not a fun hang.

• 1:08:10Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:08:10Bill Simmons?

  But I really hate the dad and I just feel like he's, he's a zero out of 10 on the protect my family scale. Fucking loser. Tim Roth.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  What about all the, what about the absolute lack of parents in this movie?

• 1:08:22Chris Ryan?

  In, in It Follows.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Bill Simmons?

  That's a Halloween homage.

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:08:28Bill Simmons?

  That's what you do with horror movies. The parents are just gone. They're on some random double date for nine hours.

• 1:08:33Chris Ryan?

  And this movie's a nightmare. Like in a nightmare, there's no logic. Nothing makes sense.

• 1:08:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Craig, do you have a hottest take?

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  Uh, it's, it's not really a hottest take. It's more, I, I think this could be the first movie whose sequel should change genres. Because I think if the sequel was just a straight comedy, this could be one of the funniest movies of like the decade.

• 1:08:50Chris Ryan?

  Or if it was like One Night Only or something.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  A sex comedy, yeah.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  If it's now just about Paul, like the, it's like, okay, Jay's like, hey, thanks for that. See you later.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  And now it's just like Paul trying to get laid and he can't, as people are coming towards him. I think this is like a hilarious comedy premise.

• 1:09:04Bill Simmons?

  This could have been like the, this is the end crew making it. Yeah, that's, that's a good one.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  So is it theory, so, so Paul like rolls up on these sex workers at the end of the movie, right?

• 1:09:16Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Clearly has sex with one of them, both of them, who's to say? Um, with the idea that they would immediately then have sex with someone else, so he can like remove, he's like, this is plausible deniability of like, I, I didn't kill that lady, cause whoever she has sex with next, and then hopefully, you know, but he's just sort of like, I don't have to think about the fact that I just killed someone.

• 1:09:36Chris Ryan?

  Technically speaking, I think you're right. And I think that would be what the operator, this isn't picking nits for me. But you know that if you have sex with that person, you're at least temporarily introducing the demon and...

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  It rolls back through them. Oh, of course.

• 1:09:51Chris Ryan?

  Back. If, if she has sex with some guy who then gets hit by a bus two days later.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  But this is the hairdryer next to the swimming pool. Like it's, it's his logic. It's a bad teenage logic, but this is his logic of like, I've got it. We'll just, we'll find some sex workers or also, or we'll have sex with each other and just give it back and forth to each other or whatever. Also, follow up. Do you, I mean, I believe that Jay had sex with those guys in the lake so that she could just like, as a stalling tactic?

• 1:10:17Bill Simmons?

  Had that in an answerable questions. They make it seem like maybe?

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  I think she definitely did. Cause then it cuts to her in the car and she's all like wet and looks like, you know?

• 1:10:26Chris Ryan?

  But she has sex with Paul.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  After.

• 1:10:29Chris Ryan?

  After that, so.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  Cause it's the lake guys and then it's the, it's the pool gambit. And I just think the lake guys die.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  So why'd she have sex with Paul?

• 1:10:38Chris Ryan?

  Maybe she didn't have sex with the lake guys.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  No, I think she had sex with the lake guys. I think she had sex with the boat guys to buy herself some time.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  And then it returns and they try the pool thing. And the pool thing, they're like, did it work? And I guess not, cause then she has sex with Paul after the pool.

• 1:10:53Bill Simmons?

  I mean, honestly, if she had sex with the boat guys, this is bordering on the record for most sexual encounters by our main character who seems normal in a movie.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  So we think she had sex with the pool guys.

• 1:11:04Bill Simmons?

  Four days.

• 1:11:05Chris Ryan?

  With the lake guys.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  With the lake guys.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  Sex with the lake guys, it killed all the lake guys.

• 1:11:09Chris Ryan?

  I'm not so sure.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  Or at least one of the lake guys. I really think she had sex with one of them. I do. Just based on the shot after.

• 1:11:16Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, this is why we banned Mallory from the podcast.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  And then it kills at least, you know, one of them or whatever. Then it rolls back to her. They try the pool thing. And then the pool thing doesn't work and so she has sex with Paul.

• 1:11:29Bill Simmons?

  The boat guys.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Are we counting Hugh, Hugh as Hugh and Jeff? I mean, you know?

• 1:11:33Speaker 04

  The unfortunate truth is that there is quite literally nothing you can do. And once you get this, you're fucked. And perhaps that is the STD allegory there.

• 1:11:40Chris Ryan?

  The thing you would have to do is you would have to make it a public health emergency and have it be like, look, like, we're gonna set up an app. If you get it, you sign up. Like you have, like, it's just basically, we're all like, we're gonna...

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  But then what?

• 1:11:55Chris Ryan?

  I don't know. Have sex with each other. Like what happens if two people who have the demon in them?

• 1:11:59Bill Simmons?

  Society collaborates. We just keep passing along so fast they can't catch up.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Isn't that the theory of Paul and Jay at the end is that they just like keep passing it back and forth to each other? They're now in a relationship and they just have sex with each other?

• 1:12:11Chris Ryan?

  I thought the idea would be that Paul has passed it to the sex workers. They have now passed it to the general public of Detroit or whatever.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:20Chris Ryan?

  And Paul and Jay would be theoretically off the hook unless it goes backwards.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:24Chris Ryan?

  And it is still haunting them the way it was haunting Jeff.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:29Chris Ryan?

  But look, I mean, like this is where you start to get into like, I don't know if David Robert Mitchell like, set this up as a, please interrogate this for like 90 minutes kind of thing.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  To your point, Paul could have closed the loop. If Paul just had sex with Jay and it was just the two of them, it could have been like a, like a murder suicide where they're like, we'll just, we'll just close the loop.

• 1:12:47Chris Ryan?

  The only person...

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  No, but then it goes back to Jeff Hugh.

• 1:12:49Chris Ryan?

  The only person who ever gave them the rules is Jeff.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. And where did Jeff get that information?

• 1:12:54Chris Ryan?

  Exactly. Like, it's not like, it's like, I have the manual like the demon gave me when I first got it, you know?

• 1:13:00Bill Simmons?

  I was just looking up to see if the Lions went 0-16 around this time, cause that could have been the reason, cause It Follows happened, but it was in 2008.

• 1:13:08Chris Ryan?

  This is why Matt Stafford had to leave Detroit.

• 1:13:12Bill Simmons?

  I like your idea of the, of the app.

• 1:13:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. It doesn't make, and no matter what, you're fucked. Like it will come back and kill you eventually.

• 1:13:18Bill Simmons?

  So you're saying it follows, if I have sex, I'm just passing it back and forth with my partner?

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's the case.

• 1:13:25Chris Ryan?

  It'll keep going back to Jeff, though.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'll go back to Jeff Hugh.

• 1:13:28Chris Ryan?

  Former partner and then Jeff's former partner, but eventually it would kill everybody and then stop.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  One can only hope.

• 1:13:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Bill Simmons?

  Casting with hips. Mike Lanier plays the very tall it.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Bill Simmons?

  Seven foot seven Detroit resident who designed engines for General Motors and was one half of the world's tallest twins. And now their mother is coming, oh no. Could he imagine passing out seven foot seven twins in childbirth?

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  And them not playing ball?

• 1:13:52Bill Simmons?

  Impossible.

• 1:13:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:54Bill Simmons?

  Seven foot seven combo twins?

• 1:13:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Bill Simmons?

  Joey Pants Award, best that guy. Uh, the guy who plays Hugh, I don't even know what his name is. He's one of those guys. I feel like I've seen him in other stuff.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  I feel like I haven't seen any of these people in any, well, I think Kierkegaard or something.

• 1:14:07Chris Ryan?

  What's the guy?

• 1:14:08Bill Simmons?

  I feel like he was in Task.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Jake Weary.

• 1:14:11Chris Ryan?

  Jake Weary.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Is the name of the guy he plays?

• 1:14:13Bill Simmons?

  He's in like, he's a bad guy in something. I don't know. I didn't even look it up because I just wanted to move it that guy. Dion Waiters Award can go to Greg's mom or a tall it guy?

• 1:14:23Chris Ryan?

  I guess tall it guy, although I would just say that when watching, what?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Naked grandpa.

• 1:14:29Chris Ryan?

  Naked grandpa.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Shout out naked grandpa.

• 1:14:31Chris Ryan?

  This definitely pushes the limits of Dion Waiters, but I think, I personally really like Daniel Zavado in this and I like, love him in Station Eleven and a couple of other things.

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  I mean, he's so good in Station Eleven.

• 1:14:41Chris Ryan?

  So I think when he's on screen, you're like, who is this guy? This is great. Yeah.

• 1:14:45Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch director city.

• 1:14:50Bill Simmons?

  I have a couple of options for this for you guys.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:14:55Bill Simmons?

  If we wanted to go bigger than Micah Monroe, Monroe, and I don't. This is the kind of movie I really wanted Jennifer Lawrence to make in the, in the 2010s and she just never did. She went down that weird David O. Russell area and I, I don't know. I just didn't like a lot of her choices. But I, I really wanted her to be in one movie like this and she never really did it.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  That's what you wanted after. You saw Winter's Bone and you were like, you want this?

• 1:15:19Bill Simmons?

  She, what was it called? The Last House on the Left?

• 1:15:21Chris Ryan?

  That was like a contract thing.

• 1:15:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And it was early on in her career, but I wish she had done one elevated horror because I, I think she would have been really good at it.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Bill Simmons?

  Um, but my actual answer is city. I think we have to move this to Boston.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:15:34Bill Simmons?

  And I think she's in Buckle Hill Community College with Robin Williams. And there's a, it's not your fault. Gets, we could just get that all moved in.

• 1:15:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Bill Simmons?

  She's talking to Sean. She's like, these guys are trying to kill me. He hugs her.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  You now recite the love song of J. Alfred Prufrock in your Boston accent?

• 1:15:52Bill Simmons?

  I think they're running around Charlestown.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  What is it? Say the eternal footman's nicker? See my greatness, liquor? Can I ask you about recasting?

• 1:16:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  What if Justin Long is in this movie as Paul?

• 1:16:06Chris Ryan?

  He's too old at that time, right?

• 1:16:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Chris Ryan?

  It's like the Justin Long.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  But the Justin Long of the right age. I just want a time machine and put Taylor Kitsch and Justin Long in this movie.

• 1:16:15Chris Ryan?

  How old is Mike?

• 1:16:16Bill Simmons?

  Time machine, it follows.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Chris Ryan?

  Taylor Kitsch and Justin Long.

• 1:16:20Bill Simmons?

  Cause then Neve Campbell could have easily been the lead.

• 1:16:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:23Bill Simmons?

  Half assed in research, we mentioned a bunch of stuff. He wanted to use wide angle lenses. So the film had an expansive look. Carpenter, George Romero were big influences.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Hitchcock.

• 1:16:37Bill Simmons?

  The idiot was a big influence on this. Atlanta, 2022, didn't it follow as parody? Near the end there. Redford Theater we mentioned. There's some teenage problem as props. There's, some people think the glass or the grass, when she's putting the grass on her leg.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Self harm.

• 1:16:56Bill Simmons?

  It's like a self harm cutting thing. The, uh, there's uneaten food in her room, eating disorder, pill on the napkin. It's the only thing touched from the tray is drug dependency like that. But I don't know. I don't know if I buy that.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  The grass on the thigh is the only thing that I can really kind of get with. I think, I think that might be something, but.

• 1:17:17Chris Ryan?

  They do seem like deliberate choices.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Chris Ryan?

  Everything in the movie seems like it's like.

• 1:17:20Bill Simmons?

  That was pretty good.

• 1:17:21Chris Ryan?

  And it's also like, that is, that is like, when you get pushed to that level, like, are you thinking about hurting yourself to get out, you know?

• 1:17:29Bill Simmons?

  Ciara, you want to cook on the idiot for a second here or no?

• 1:17:32Chris Ryan?

  It's not one of my, you know, I, I can't say I have read that one. Yeah. But I enjoyed your reading.

• 1:17:37Bill Simmons?

  One of the lines is, your soul will leave your body and you will no longer be a person.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Well, I like the part that she reads about, you know, just wanting to give up. Cause when you think about Annie at the beginning, when she just goes out to the beach and she's just like, and then, and then what Mitchell has said about the shot right before she goes into lake and maybe has sex with the guys in the boat or not, but right before that she wakes up on the roof of the car.

• 1:17:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  And he was like, his interpretation of that scene, uh, is at that point, perhaps she's like close to where Annie was. Which is why I think she like, she's close to just giving up. And then she sees those guys in the boat and she's like, maybe I could buy myself some time and figure it out.

• 1:18:16Bill Simmons?

  We needed an extra scene of those guys coming home.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Chris Ryan?

  Funny thing happened on the lake.

• 1:18:21Bill Simmons?

  Honey, how was the boat, how was the boat ship? It was great. What do you need?

• 1:18:25Chris Ryan?

  It's literally a letter from Pet to Pet House. It's like, you'll never believe what happened to me and my friend on the boat.

• 1:18:31Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain. Everyone in this cast, no. Or, or yes, except for, uh, Micah Monroe, who.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  What's her apex? She hasn't, she's, it hasn't hit yet?

• 1:18:40Bill Simmons?

  Probably long legs. Cause at that point she, I feel like that vaulted her to another level of.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:18:46Chris Ryan?

  The cool thing about her is that, you know, she's been in Independence Day remake and stuff like that, but for the most part, she's like, I star in these movies. You know, like I am the star of Watcher. I am the star of, yeah.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  What about above ground pools?

• 1:19:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Bill Simmons?

  Tad, what are the best above ground pool scenes?

• 1:19:05Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I gotta tell you, I don't have any in, in mind.

• 1:19:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. None, none come into my mind either.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  It's a movie.

• 1:19:11Bill Simmons?

  It becomes a symbol during the movie. All of a sudden at the end, it's a mess. David Robert Marshall, I'm gonna say yes. I would, I would have bought a lot of stock after this movie.

• 1:19:19Chris Ryan?

  David Robert Mitchell for sure.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:21Bill Simmons?

  Mitchell? I wrote Marshall.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  It's Mitchell.

• 1:19:23Bill Simmons?

  How about David Robert Marshall?

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  He's yet, he has yet to pee.

• 1:19:26Chris Ryan?

  For him, I think he's pitching for the Brewers right now.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  His future is ahead of him. Yeah.

• 1:19:30Bill Simmons?

  High school horror movies?

• 1:19:31Chris Ryan?

  Uh, no, cause I guess like that's scream one.

• 1:19:35Bill Simmons?

  It's not. I think it's scream. Backward leg murders?

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just like it.

• 1:19:42Chris Ryan?

  I think, I think.

• 1:19:44Bill Simmons?

  Is that ACL, MCL, and PCL?

• 1:19:46Chris Ryan?

  Kneecap, patellar.

• 1:19:48Bill Simmons?

  It's all of them. It's like the.

• 1:19:49Chris Ryan?

  That's a three year age. They gotta bring out the air cast. I will say, I don't think this is as good as the first death in the ring.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:59Chris Ryan?

  And that has a similar frozen, cracked body vibe to it.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:20:05Bill Simmons?

  Charade with Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn, I'm gonna say no. Playpen magazine.

• 1:20:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Little couple of tissues on top there.

• 1:20:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Chris Ryan?

  Nice touch.

• 1:20:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  Just a, just a photo of him with his high school girlfriend shoved in the middle there. Love to find ephemera in a porn magazine.

• 1:20:21Bill Simmons?

  The David Crusoe stuff a legends award for character who definitely could have been spun into their own sequel. Crazy tall guy.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:27Bill Simmons?

  Just see him on a poster, but it's like a long scary poster.

• 1:20:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. More of him.

• 1:20:32Chris Ryan?

  The original long legs.

• 1:20:33Bill Simmons?

  Terrorizing gross Detroit. Cruise or Hanks? It's obviously Cruise.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  It's obviously risky business Cruise.

• 1:20:42Bill Simmons?

  So I can offer you 1983 Cruise as Hugh.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:46Bill Simmons?

  I could offer you Cruise right now as scary naked guy on the roof.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  Digger Cruise?

• 1:20:51Bill Simmons?

  Digger Cruise.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  Digger Cruise on the roof.

• 1:20:54Bill Simmons?

  On the roof.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Bill Simmons?

  One of those two. Either way, it's Cruise.

• 1:20:57Chris Ryan?

  Cruise gets it.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Wait, so we're, we're pro Digger, right? Where are you on Digger?

• 1:21:01Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna see it this week.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Okay. Craig, where are you on Digger?

• 1:21:04Chris Ryan?

  It's okay.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:06Chris Ryan?

  Didn't hate it as much as people did.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. I liked it.

• 1:21:09Bill Simmons?

  When is, is there gonna be a meeting when the official zag happens on Digger? Is it kind of like, I feel like it's mobilizing right now.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  I think it happens.

• 1:21:17Bill Simmons?

  Preseason for, for.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  I think it happens when it hits streaming.

• 1:21:20Chris Ryan?

  It's when people are like, I actually like watch, rewatching this and stuff. Yeah.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Or people watch it at home and they're like, why were people so hard on this?

• 1:21:26Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:21:29Bill Simmons?

  I didn't tell Ciara I was doing this. The Dennis Peck relationship test. Could Dennis have broken up the main relationship?

• 1:21:34Chris Ryan?

  I have a counter to, a question on the top of the question. Could Dennis Peck have broken the?

• 1:21:41Bill Simmons?

  Jake, come here. If you want to get rid of this thing. Come into my room right now.

• 1:21:45Chris Ryan?

  I guess I just have to nail everyone in Detroit.

• 1:21:49Bill Simmons?

  Looks like it's a job for one man.

• 1:21:53Chris Ryan?

  The Peck. Tucked in polo, rolling around Detroit.

• 1:21:57Bill Simmons?

  That should be the sequel. They follow. It's just Dennis Peck, just trying to end the curse. Yeah. Just gear. Gear, what's, gear's alive. What's he doing? Picking nits. Okay.

• 1:22:09Bill Simmons?

  Would you go on a date in the movies if It Follows people were following you?

• 1:22:15Chris Ryan?

  If you're Jeff Hugh and you've gotta get rid of the demon, yeah, sure.

• 1:22:19Bill Simmons?

  You just let me sit in a dark movie theater for two hours would be one of your moves?

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Why is Jeff Hugh emotionally terrorizing women when he could just like find a random woman in a bar? Like, why is he, why is he romancing her?

• 1:22:30Chris Ryan?

  Why didn't Jeff think of a sex worker thing?

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:22:34Chris Ryan?

  Maybe he was like-

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Take the paws of the world to think like this.

• 1:22:36Chris Ryan?

  He seems to have like a nicer house, maybe he thinks that's beneath him.

• 1:22:39Speaker 04

  And he's like, I'm gonna take a girl to a movie first and then give her a demon?

• 1:22:42Bill Simmons?

  Jeff Hugh, scumbag.

• 1:22:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Jeff Hugh, like-

• 1:22:44Bill Simmons?

  Biggest scumbag in the movie?

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Jeff is taking her to a diner after a movie date and like-

• 1:22:49Chris Ryan?

  It's like an Applebee's, cuz I feel like she's having like a jokey big margarita.

• 1:22:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Why was naked guy standing on the roof but not trying to go in the house?

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  Intimidation factor.

• 1:23:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  I didn't really get that one. That was the only it where I was like, well, what is this guy?

• 1:23:09Bill Simmons?

  Why is he trying to get through like break through a window?

• 1:23:11Chris Ryan?

  He's not walking. UCLA is now doing the celebration at other teams stadiums.

• 1:23:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Chris Ryan?

  It's just letting them know you're there.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like, I'm on to you. I'm watching you.

• 1:23:20Bill Simmons?

  How did he get on the roof?

• 1:23:20Chris Ryan?

  Chesney's like, get up on the roof, naked guy.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  I, I went through a Reddit AMA with the director, David Robert Mitchell, and someone asked that question, how did he get on the roof? And he just said very carefully, so that's what we're dealing with there.

• 1:23:31Bill Simmons?

  This is why you don't do AMAs.

• 1:23:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:33Bill Simmons?

  Be like, you know, however you wanted him to get up there, he got up there.

• 1:23:38Bill Simmons?

  Gunshot, gunshots kill these things or slow them down or what's going on here?

• 1:23:42Chris Ryan?

  Disappears the physical entity in front of you, but it does come back. It replenishes and comes back in some other form.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  So the only, the only evidence you have for that is that we get the shot of the pool, we get all the blood, we don't see a body, but it's just like a weird angle of the pool.

• 1:23:57Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:23:58Bill Simmons?

  But they already know when they shot Crunchy Lady earlier.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. That she just got back up.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  I don't think bullets kill it.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:24:07Chris Ryan?

  You know, but do bullets like-

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  But like you can hit it with a chair, you can hit it with a chair, you can, like, you just kinda slow it down, I think.

• 1:24:14Bill Simmons?

  So this breaks a horror movie rule that there's no answer to how to stop the entity.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  The blood really confuses me.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  Paul shoots it in the head and it falls into the, to the pool and then keeps swimming.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  And then, but why does it bleed that much?

• 1:24:28Bill Simmons?

  See, this is-

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  Why does it bleed at all?

• 1:24:30Chris Ryan?

  Cuz it looks really cool.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  It does look so cool.

• 1:24:33Bill Simmons?

  Any other pickings, Nets?

• 1:24:34Chris Ryan?

  Just, uh, I think at a certain point you wanna maybe let law enforcement know what's happening just to see if they've got any, any It Follows playbooks that you haven't thought of as a teenager. I know she's like, it's a very good, like, illustration of, of, you know, I'm nervous to tell anybody that this happened to me because nobody's gonna believe me and they're gonna think I'm insane, but-

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Well, she did tell them, doesn't she tell them at first?

• 1:24:59Chris Ryan?

  She does, that Paul kidnapped her and stuff, but they're like, well, we can't find him.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:04Chris Ryan?

  Um, but I think that like after, when you get guns and stuff involved and wouldn't they be like, this is weird that this Greg kid got killed across the street?

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Here's my follow-up question. Does the shell phone that is a Kindle and also a flashlight, does it have a video function?

• 1:25:18Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Can we record the sheet on the entity?

• 1:25:21Bill Simmons?

  But that's why they make this all ambiguous, cuz they don't want the kids recording.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:25Bill Simmons?

  We had, we had really good video cameras by 2014 on your phone.

• 1:25:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but in 1980 even, you could pick up a chunky camcorder and get something for the cops, but not in this Detroit.

• 1:25:37Bill Simmons?

  Any other pickings, Nets?

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:25:39Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, streamer, All Black Cast spinoff remake are untouchable. So we've mentioned They Follow, or as I call it, They Follows.

• 1:25:47Chris Ryan?

  I think that this conversation that we've had today kind of shows why maybe they should not do a prestige TV version of this because-

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Too many logistical-

• 1:25:55Chris Ryan?

  I think they'd have to answer too many questions.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:58Bill Simmons?

  As somebody who watched all eight episodes of Carrie in the span of about 18 hours over the weekend in Boston.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Okay. Should we talk about Carrie? I did watch it.

• 1:26:09Bill Simmons?

  Let's, maybe right after the rewatchables.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:11Bill Simmons?

  Zoe and I watched five on Friday night. She had a game the next day and she wanted to hang. So we're like, let's watch one episode of Carrie. Bang through.

• 1:26:18Chris Ryan?

  So you liked it?

• 1:26:19Bill Simmons?

  She goes to bed and I'm like, I gotta get to the prom.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  You gotta get to the prom, exactly.

• 1:26:24Bill Simmons?

  Banged out the last three.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  They know that. They know you're watching and they're like, they gotta get to the prom.

• 1:26:28Bill Simmons?

  I thought it was really good.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  I thought it was good, but then like, then there's like a lot, there's like the framing lore, the like coven aspect that I don't think it needed. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:26:37Bill Simmons?

  I agree with you without spoiling. I, I agree.

• 1:26:41Chris Ryan?

  I spoil it for myself, so it's okay, but for the listeners, yeah.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. But like the Carrie, the actual Carrie stuff, I think is really good.

• 1:26:47Bill Simmons?

  Matthew Lillard is the principal.

• 1:26:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  It's really Lillard-heavy. It's a lot of Lillard.

• 1:26:52Bill Simmons?

  He's cooking.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  A lot of Lillard.

• 1:26:56Bill Simmons?

  Uh, by the way, in They Follow, Justin Lupe's in it.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  Your girl, CR.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:03Bill Simmons?

  Justine Lupe, I mean, I don't know why I said Justin Lupe.

• 1:27:05Chris Ryan?

  From Succession.

• 1:27:06Bill Simmons?

  Justine, yeah.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:07Bill Simmons?

  Jackie Earl Haley.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Bill Simmons?

  Melora Walters.

• 1:27:10Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:27:11Bill Simmons?

  And Michael Gandolfini.

• 1:27:12Chris Ryan?

  Love that.

• 1:27:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Do you think Michael Monroe has sex with Jackie Earl Haley? Just to get rid of, you know?

• 1:27:20Bill Simmons?

  Tough to shake little, little children, Jackie Earl Haley.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  He's got charisma to him.

• 1:27:25Chris Ryan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  He's got, he's got it, you know what I mean? Um, what about an it prequel where we find out that Tall Guy is the original it? You know what I mean?

• 1:27:32Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:27:33Chris Ryan?

  Oh, like the, the-

• 1:27:34Bill Simmons?

  He gotta play basketball in Romania?

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:37Bill Simmons?

  Near a nuclear reactor?

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  Eat colon oranges and he pissed off a witch.

• 1:27:40Chris Ryan?

  Played an away game in Transylvania.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Ted Levine? Or?

• 1:27:51Chris Ryan?

  Long Legs?

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  I think it's Long Legs.

• 1:27:56Bill Simmons?

  Did you have anybody for this?

• 1:27:57Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that Long Legs has seen It Follows?

• 1:27:59Bill Simmons?

  I have a-

• 1:28:03Bill Simmons?

  I have Stephen A. apologizing to, um-

• 1:28:08Chris Ryan?

  Please.

• 1:28:10Bill Simmons?

  To, to one, Stephen A. as Hugh.

• 1:28:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Bill Simmons?

  Apologizing for the movie theater date after the fact. I'd like to apologize to Jay. I did something last week. I had a sexual entity demon following me and I knew this and I still took her out for a date and passed it along to her. It would be something like that, right?

• 1:28:32Chris Ryan?

  With the Lane Johnson one, he kept correcting himself midway through his apology. So it would just be like, I took, I took Jay to see Shereen and it was a ruse. No, it wasn't a ruse. I did wanna go see Shereen.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  I mean, but shout out Jeff Hugh, who doesn't even really apologize.

• 1:28:52Chris Ryan?

  No, Jeff Hugh, Jeff Hugh lives, right?

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:28:56Bill Simmons?

  It is true that I gave her the wrong name and I told her my name was Kevin.

• 1:29:01Chris Ryan?

  He goes through a lot. He fakes, fakes a house that he is renting.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, with a lot of prescription pills in there. Um, I love that she just like went to his high school and was like, show me all your yearbooks, please. And then they found him. And then his mom's like, sure, he's just right here.

• 1:29:15Chris Ryan?

  Do your friends wanna come in?

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he just sits there out on the lawn in his gym jams and he's just like, sorry, I gotta go. And they're like, okay, Jeff Hugh, bye. Not let's call the cops cuz he sexually assaulted me and kidnapped me or anything like that.

• 1:29:26Bill Simmons?

  Jeff Hugh, that would just have named him that. Just wanna ask her, who gets it? Cinematography?

• 1:29:30Chris Ryan?

  I had Mitchell for direction, but yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  What about disaster piece for score?

• 1:29:34Chris Ryan?

  Ooh, a call.

• 1:29:35Bill Simmons?

  That's the answer.

• 1:29:38Bill Simmons?

  I added this, the Clarence Worley should've died at the end award for biggest cop out of an ending.

• 1:29:43Chris Ryan?

  So you think Jay should've died?

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  She should've died?

• 1:29:47Bill Simmons?

  Should it have been, just been more clear that they were being followed at the end versus it, like that last person wasn't wearing weight?

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  Great point.

• 1:29:58Bill Simmons?

  And it's conceivable that they were both evil spirits walking around waiting to go.

• 1:30:06Chris Ryan?

  Oh, you think Jay and Paul are actually evil spirits?

• 1:30:09Bill Simmons?

  It's conceivable.

• 1:30:11Chris Ryan?

  I had not thought of that, Bill.

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  And then they follow?

• 1:30:14Bill Simmons?

  Cuz the person following them from behind isn't wearing weight, which I thought it was, I didn't, and you could overthink that one if you wanted.

• 1:30:20Speaker 01

  Here's my idea, because we get kind of like a graduate ending, like the two of them walking down the street, it's very much like the end of The Graduate where it's just sort of like, well, here we are together.

• 1:30:28Chris Ryan?

  I'm dating this kid now.

• 1:30:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Um, what if they're at home, like, watching TV and then there's just like a news report where it's like, sex workers across the greater Detroit area die mysteriously and they just have to sit on the couch and think about what they've done?

• 1:30:43Bill Simmons?

  Oh, like a what have we done ending? I like those.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Just like a slow zoom in on them on the couch being like, well, we've killed a lot of people now.

• 1:30:52Chris Ryan?

  That was the thing is, is like the, the really lack of accountability for Paul's, Paul's move and maybe Jay's move with the boat.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  And Jeff Hugh.

• 1:30:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:00Bill Simmons?

  Stephen A.'s like, I'd like to apologize to the three men on the boat that I had sex with.

• 1:31:09Bill Simmons?

  Probably the answer for questions. I've been waiting all pod to get to this cuz I have a bunch of great ones.

• 1:31:15Bill Simmons?

  Where did Jay's date with Hugh rank among the single worst movie dates ever?

• 1:31:20Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:31:21Bill Simmons?

  This is, I don't know if it's a 10 out of 10.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Are you gonna pitch me some other candidates?

• 1:31:26Bill Simmons?

  I was trying to think, what were the worst dates of all time?

• 1:31:28Chris Ryan?

  Uh, movie dates in like-

• 1:31:30Bill Simmons?

  In movies?

• 1:31:32Chris Ryan?

  Ellen Barkin and Mickey Rourke in Diner.

• 1:31:36Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one.

• 1:31:37Chris Ryan?

  Uh, this is up there. Uh, Jada Pinkett and Omar Epps in, uh, Scream, I think, 3. When they go to the premiere stab and she gets stabbed to death.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  Stab, stab mentioned.

• 1:31:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:52Bill Simmons?

  It's hard to have a start to finish really horrible date that ends worse.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Wait, so you're picking movie dates from movies?

• 1:31:58Bill Simmons?

  Movie dates in movies.

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  Movie dates in movies, okay.

• 1:32:00Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Matt Damon and Jack Nicholson at the theater in The Departed. He pulls out the dildo behind him.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Um, do you count, what about like, uh, the family outing in Cape Fear? Where De Niro's there in the theater and smoking a cigar?

• 1:32:20Bill Simmons?

  What if Naked Guy on the Roof wasn't an it, it was just a neighborhood creep?

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  It was just grandpa got out again?

• 1:32:26Bill Simmons?

  He's like, I could use this It Follows thing as a, as a hiding spot for my weirdness.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  I also think this was like a really, an early, like, so many horror movies after this are like, old people, kinda scary.

• 1:32:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  You know, like, this was a real bellwether for that moment.

• 1:32:42Bill Simmons?

  We talked about the men on the boat.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:44Bill Simmons?

  We talked about whether we don't know if it was an it at the end or not. This is the big one for me. And then, really, we needed Mallory here for this, but I don't know if that chair was a love seat. We could have four people. It Follows, what, does it work for all kinds of sex?

• 1:33:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he answered this question.

• 1:33:02Bill Simmons?

  Who answers it?

• 1:33:03Chris Ryan?

  David Robert Mitchell has answered that in interviews.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Condoms don't work.

• 1:33:06Chris Ryan?

  We read this in interviews.

• 1:33:07Bill Simmons?

  I don't care about his interviews, though. All I can judge is by the movie you gave me.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  He says queer sex, it works for queer sex, condoms don't work. So, yeah, like, how, does, does, okay, I'll play Mallory. Does it have to be penetrative?

• 1:33:19Chris Ryan?

  He's calling a lot of hot routes. He's like, yeah, it can get on modes of transportation and follow you across, like, so you couldn't just go to an island.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  But like, okay, let's talk about queer sex. Gay male sex, sure, but like, women?

• 1:33:33Bill Simmons?

  Let's say two women-

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  Non-penetrative women?

• 1:33:34Bill Simmons?

  Two women going at it, pants stay on, pants stay on, just a lot of making out.

• 1:33:40Speaker 04

  OTP, if you will.

• 1:33:41Chris Ryan?

  OTP.

• 1:33:42Speaker 04

  OTP-HA.

• 1:33:43Chris Ryan?

  No, that's not-

• 1:33:44Bill Simmons?

  It Follows, like, he's, he's waiting, he's like, damn it, what happened?

• 1:33:50Speaker 04

  He's like watching.

• 1:33:51Bill Simmons?

  Come on, come on.

• 1:33:53Chris Ryan?

  What if he's like Aaron Glenn with the challenge flag? He's like, wait a second.

• 1:33:58Bill Simmons?

  I saw penetration briefly.

• 1:33:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Like, what, what has to penetrate?

• 1:34:02Bill Simmons?

  Does it have to be penetration? Does it have to be an orgasm?

• 1:34:04Chris Ryan?

  I think so.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Does it have to be like-

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  You can't answer that to some AMA. It wouldn't spread.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, great, great one. Does it have to be like, is it, does digital penetration count?

• 1:34:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like fingers.

• 1:34:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:17Bill Simmons?

  But the kids, they could have been like, let's, let's test the limits.

• 1:34:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, let's go to handjob heaven.

• 1:34:22Bill Simmons?

  We'll go to Lake House, does a handjob do it?

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  But maybe if it doesn't, like, you know, her female friends are like, all right.

• 1:34:28Chris Ryan?

  Also, problematically, the demon is on its own clock, you know what I mean? Cause Greg is like, I fucking beat the system. Like, I haven't seen anything ever since you gave it to me.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, for now.

• 1:34:39Chris Ryan?

  And then he gets rocked by his own mom, you know? It's like, if there, there should be some sort of like, demon shows up immediately after it gets passed, you have seven days to pass it. Instead, it's this kind of like shock.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he dies because he's a non-believer. And he's also a douchey guy who's like ogling all of her friends at the same time. That's why he dies.

• 1:34:58Bill Simmons?

  Threesome, all three people get it?

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  That's my question about the boat guys. Do you think she had sex with all three of them to be like, dealer's choice?

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:35:06Chris Ryan?

  That's a rough week.

• 1:35:07Bill Simmons?

  What was your unanswerable?

• 1:35:09Speaker 04

  I wanted to ask about the condom, so that was answered.

• 1:35:12Bill Simmons?

  So condom, no condom, doesn't matter?

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  Condoms don't work.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  Goes through the condom.

• 1:35:16Bill Simmons?

  Again, not in the movie.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  Demon penetrates condom.

• 1:35:18Speaker 04

  Demon penetrates-

• 1:35:19Bill Simmons?

  You can give an interview two years later, just like, yeah, condoms.

• 1:35:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:27Bill Simmons?

  Any other unanswerables?

• 1:35:28Chris Ryan?

  Um, since, since we're just, we're talking?

• 1:35:31Bill Simmons?

  I actually feel like-

• 1:35:32Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Paul wore a condom with the sex workers?

• 1:35:35Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  No, cause you probably don't, you wouldn't think that. If you were Paul, you would probably wanna ensure that it spreads.

• 1:35:42Speaker 01

  Cause Jeff Hugh, when he was downloading the rules, did not say demon be condom.

• 1:35:46Speaker 04

  Paul probably got a real STD.

• 1:35:47Chris Ryan?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  Which is interesting, I guess.

• 1:35:50Chris Ryan?

  And then he's dating Jay, which is, yeah.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:53Chris Ryan?

  Bizarre. And is Jay like, I'm good with sex for like, the next presidential administration? Like, we're not, don't even think about it to Paul?

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  At that point, it doesn't matter, though. They might as well.

• 1:36:05Chris Ryan?

  No, but just personally, is she just like, you know what, I wanna take this off the table for a while?

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  She does not enjoy sex with either Paul or with Greg.

• 1:36:13Speaker 04

  I did have one other- Why, I had one other unanswerable. So, are, is, is the entity always, it's choosing a person that it thinks would be most successful to kind of get to who wants to kill, correct?

• 1:36:25Chris Ryan?

  I don't know about that, because I think that-

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  Because sometimes it's like Greg's mom, and it's like Jay's sister, but then it's like, well, then who's the seven foot guy? How is he related to the group?

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  I think it's what will like unsettle you. So it shows up as, is your loved one to like fuck with you. Not because like, he's more likely to answer the door if it's his mom with her tit out, but just like, uh, it will terrify him most to be fuck-killed by his mom.

• 1:36:48Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  And, okay.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  Those are mind games.

• 1:36:51Speaker 04

  Sometimes it was like her sister, and then other times it's like seven foot eight Romanian basketball player.

• 1:36:56Chris Ryan?

  From Detroit.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  Sometimes your, your grandpa's naked on the roof.

• 1:36:59Bill Simmons?

  So for you, like, definitely Aaron Rodgers would be one of them. It's like, oh my god, it's Aaron Rodgers.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  Naked on the roof.

• 1:37:04Speaker 04

  Rodgers yelling at Mike McCarthy.

• 1:37:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Mike McCarthy coming out, you would do that.

• 1:37:09Speaker 04

  Have naked Mike McCarthy.

• 1:37:10Bill Simmons?

  Ben Roethlisberger, yeah, you'd have them all. Um, memorabilia you'd most want from this movie? I actually wrote nothing for this. I wouldn't want anything.

• 1:37:18Chris Ryan?

  It's the shell phone.

• 1:37:19Speaker 04

  The shell, the Kindle.

• 1:37:20Bill Simmons?

  I wouldn't want anything, because I would feel like the demon might be, get mad that I haven't.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  I'm mad that shell phone doesn't exist. Like, I would have bought it easily. I'll buy it right now.

• 1:37:29Bill Simmons?

  I forgot one unanswerable. What if everybody all had sex at the exact same time?

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  That's, that's your question, orgy.

• 1:37:35Speaker 04

  That's kind of my Bonnie Blue idea.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're orgy.

• 1:37:37Bill Simmons?

  No, but I'm saying literally everyone in Detroit. It's like, all right, nine o'clock, boom, entire city's having sex right now. Would they run out of entities or it's endless entities?

• 1:37:45Speaker 04

  But they'd have to all have sex with somebody who has the disease.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  And there is like a clear, there's a path, you know what I mean? So let's say like Paul has sex with a, a sex worker, and then she, but like she signs up for the citywide orgy, it's whoever she has sex with, that's who's next.

• 1:37:59Speaker 04

  Okay, well, I think I figured it out. I think I scummed it.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:38:03Speaker 04

  If you, we, this requires one human sacrifice.

• 1:38:06Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:38:06Speaker 04

  But let's say Jay or Paul or whoever, if you just kind of put them in a government facilitated solitary confinement, where it was an impenetrable block of ice that they were frozen in.

• 1:38:17Chris Ryan?

  But it can pass through that stuff, I think.

• 1:38:19Speaker 04

  It could not get there and you're, you're good. Bury this person underground 500 feet into the earth.

• 1:38:25Chris Ryan?

  But what about little, little man who like smashes through the wood door, kind of? Like, I mean, it is a pretty aggressive.

• 1:38:30Bill Simmons?

  Or you shoot them in the outer space.

• 1:38:32Speaker 04

  Send Paul to the moon.

• 1:38:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, outer space, you send like the Martian, Matt Damon.

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  It can get on a plane and it can get on Elon shuttle, you know what I mean?

• 1:38:40Speaker 04

  2001 Space Odyssey style, just a million miles an hour, through space.

• 1:38:45Chris Ryan?

  I mean, if you wanna make It Follows in space, I am seated.

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, like that, like Fast and Furious in space, but make it it?

• 1:38:52Bill Simmons?

  That's It, It Follows 8.

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. It in space, um, but then as soon as the person in space dies, it comes, it comes back eventually to Jeff Hugh.

• 1:39:03Chris Ryan?

  That's right. That's right. He's probably running for like Congress at this point, yeah.

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:39:08Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi were best, worst life lesson.

• 1:39:13Bill Simmons?

  Don't have sex with a guy named Hugh? I think that was my big takeaway.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  But what if his name's secretly Jeff?

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  It's a stealth Jeff. You can't take all Jeffs off the table.

• 1:39:23Bill Simmons?

  You have a better life lesson for this?

• 1:39:24Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that she should have known, like, she was like, I used to go to his house, I never went inside. He lived out in the city somewhere, and that was all she knew about him?

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  And why did they go there? So he could like, he's like, stay in the car, babe, and like he ran in and like popped a pill and read a porno mag? Like, why, why was she near his house?

• 1:39:43Bill Simmons?

  Double feature choice?

• 1:39:44Chris Ryan?

  Uh, the guest, I have.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Long Legs, which is what I did, or Barbarian for the double Detroit.

• 1:39:50Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:39:50Bill Simmons?

  I went with Eight Mile. She's trying to mix it up.

• 1:39:53Chris Ryan?

  Nice.

• 1:39:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's a double, it's a double header. Start with Eight Mile, end with It Follows, ready to roll. Uh, who won the movie?

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Micah Monroe.

• 1:40:00Chris Ryan?

  Micah Monroe.

• 1:40:02Bill Simmons?

  I think Micah Monroe. Craig, your take?

• 1:40:05Speaker 04

  Because I am, you know, horror curious, I have to decide, maybe you guys can help me, whether or not I'm gonna be a- I care about the ending guy, or I care about the vibe of the movie guy?

• 1:40:16Chris Ryan?

  I think you'll be much happier if you care about the vibe.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  This is a strong vibe movie.

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  It's a strong vibe movie, because I think the camera work and the filmmaking is awesome. For how low budget this was, it was so cool. I loved the 360 panning stuff. I thought the color palette of the movie is like super gray and grim. I thought all of that was great.

• 1:40:34Chris Ryan?

  And she wears pink whenever something's about to happen.

• 1:40:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, really well done.

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  Like she's about to wade into a lake and have sex with three guys in a boat.

• 1:40:41Speaker 04

  The tone is great. They nail it. I did think there was a little bit of like, the sparkle was lost. Once you kind of get too deep into the premise, and I feel like they couldn't answer their own questions. I got a little bit like, the pool ending was pretty flimsy to me. And I was just like, oh, the vibe of this movie is great. But I do think the last half hour, once you actually really have to confront the entity and like end the movie, it loses a bit.

• 1:41:04Bill Simmons?

  Oh, look at the big balls on Brad.

• 1:41:08Speaker 04

  It's like half the horror films, right? It's like amazing premise. But it's like, yeah, we don't really know how to end it, but it doesn't really matter.

• 1:41:12Chris Ryan?

  Hopefully, him having 11 years to think about it.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  They follow.

• 1:41:16Chris Ryan?

  He plugs some holes in the boat.

• 1:41:18Bill Simmons?

  I like calling it "they follows." I think I stumbled onto something really great.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  What if that's the third in the trilogy, though?

• 1:41:24Bill Simmons?

  "It follows."

• 1:41:25Speaker 01

  It follow, they follow, they follow.

• 1:41:28Chris Ryan?

  Can I just throw one more idea out there? So do we know when the "it" touches you? Is it just you get touched and you die, or is it?

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  Well, we watched his mom fuck.

• 1:41:37Speaker 04

  I think it's the sea hag from Willow's Dead. Something has to happen.

• 1:41:42Chris Ryan?

  Because I was wondering if you could reverse Uno and you fuck the "it."

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:41:46Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I was thinking Dennis Peck would do.

• 1:41:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:41:49Speaker 04

  Is Dennis Peck sees Greg's mom and he's like, hey.

• 1:41:51Chris Ryan?

  Check ball.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  This is why I want to go back to the Annie leg breaking death. Like, what was that sex life? That death sex life that her leg just went all the way back? I mean.

• 1:42:01Bill Simmons?

  So the "it" touches you, it's over?

• 1:42:04Speaker 04

  No, because.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  It fucks you to death.

• 1:42:06Speaker 04

  It grabbed her, grabbed Jay by the hair.

• 1:42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Speaker 04

  And her ankle.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it can touch you.

• 1:42:11Bill Simmons?

  So it has to like really have "it" sex with it, basically? Like grind against you and it's over?

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Bill Simmons?

  Which we saw once with the mom.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  With the mom. What a great sentence.

• 1:42:21Bill Simmons?

  Oof. What a movie. "It follows." You have to make Mallory watch it now.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  I will. This is, I feel like horror is now my avenue on rewatchables, right? Obsession, hand the rocks a cradle.

• 1:42:34Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:42:35Bill Simmons?

  No, because we did sneakers.

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  No, no, we have, but I'm just saying, I'm in a horror groove. I'm enjoying it.

• 1:42:39Chris Ryan?

  He's in a horror groove.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:42:41Chris Ryan?

  The maestro.

• 1:42:42Speaker 04

  Are we gonna get a breather next week, or what?

• 1:42:44Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I gotta think about it some more, but I will say.

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  But then, long legs life.

• 1:42:49Bill Simmons?

  I was thinking about October and just how much I love October, because the NBA starts and football. But really, it's the horror.

• 1:42:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Bill Simmons?

  And my son hammering.

• 1:42:58Chris Ryan?

  Is that what he's doing?

• 1:42:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's hammering something.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  You guys go ham for Halloween here at your house.

• 1:43:03Speaker 04

  That's actually Ben?

• 1:43:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Doesn't care.

• 1:43:06Chris Ryan?

  Did Carrie start putting out decorations yet?

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we're putting some stuff out.

• 1:43:09Speaker 01

  The giant skeletons are out?

• 1:43:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got some shit going on. Maybe not long legs or anything like that yet. What would the "it follows" Halloween decoration be? The tall guy?

• 1:43:20Chris Ryan?

  I think it would be having like a skeleton up on your roof, or some sort of like figure up.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Oh, just like a naked.

• 1:43:25Speaker 04

  Naked old male on the roof.

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  Digger on the roof.

• 1:43:28Bill Simmons?

  Wow, that would get, the police would come for that.

• 1:43:30Speaker 04

  HOA would holler, yeah.

• 1:43:32Speaker 01

  If college humor was still around, do you think they would do Digger on the, like Fiddler on the Roof, but it's Digger on the roof?

• 1:43:37Bill Simmons?

  Digger on the roof? So you like Digger?

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:43:41Bill Simmons?

  I gotta say it. All right. See ya. Thank you. Joanna, thank you.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:43:44Bill Simmons?

  Craig, thanks to Chris and Eduardo as well. And I guess we're doing another horror movie next week on the rewatch. We'll see you then.

• 1:44:03Bill Simmons?

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