Hosted by Bill Simmons
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Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Craig Horlbeck break down the 2009 revenge thriller Law Abiding Citizen, starring Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx. Van Lathan explains why seeing it in theaters at the ArcLight was one of his favorite moviegoing experiences, while the hosts debate the film's chaotic narrative choices, the baffling incompetence of Jamie Foxx's prosecutor character, and whether Gerard Butler's elaborate 10-year revenge plot goes off the rails. They discuss the movie's gripping first 80 minutes, the shocking cell phone and parking lot explosions, and how the studio copped out with a safe, moralizing resolution instead of letting the anarchist mastermind win or blow everyone up.
The hosts introduce the episode, discuss the lost camera, and run through multiple sponsor plugs before segueing into the main discussion.
Van Lathan shares his enthusiasm for the 2009 film, recounting the surprising reactions he witnessed in theaters and his personal connection to the movie.
The conversation shifts to the history of vigilante cinema, comparing 1970s classics like Death Wish to modern entries such as Law Abiding Citizen, and noting changes in tone and morality.
The hosts dissect the motivations and moral ambiguity of the two leads, debating whether Foxx’s character is a true hero and how Butler’s actions shape the film’s narrative.
The hosts list and analyze specific moments—such as the lethal injection, cell phone, and parking‑lot explosion—that make the film worth revisiting multiple times.
They critique the film’s conclusion, arguing it falls short of its potential, and brainstorm alternate endings that would have delivered a stronger payoff.
Discussion turns to Foxx’s subsequent film choices, noting the shift from action to romantic comedies and the broader implications for his career.
The episode wraps up with final musings on the film’s legacy, the hosts’ personal favorites, and a teaser for future episodes.
The hosts brainstorm a mock true‑crime documentary series featuring fictional characters like Clyde.
Discussion of Clyde’s background, motivations, and the film’s portrayal of his revenge plan.
Debate over swapping Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx’s roles, including the impact on character dynamics.
Critique of the film’s use of Philadelphia locations and cultural references.
An Unforgettable Theater Experiencestory
Van Lathan shares how seeing the movie at the ArcLight completely subverted expectations, turning from a grounded legal thriller into brutal, absurd entertainment.
Peak 2000s Revenge Porninsight
Craig Horlbeck categorizes the film as part of a brutal 2000s subgenre that gives audiences maximum retaliation without sanitized Hollywood framing.
Scripts That Run Out Of Smartinsight
Van Lathan and Bill Simmons argue that the film starts with a brilliant conceit and propulsive action before running out of smart ideas for the ending.
Imagining A Better Endingstrategy
The hosts brainstorm alternative conclusions where Gerard Butler's character outsmarts Jamie Foxx right until the final moments.
Bill Simmons breaks down the film's financials, noting its 53 million dollar budget versus a gross of nearly 128 million dollars.
The Detestable Plea Bargain Sceneinsight
The hosts examine the enraging early scene where Jamie Foxx's prosecutor opts for a soft plea deal despite overwhelming physical evidence.
The panel highlights the judge's sudden death via cell phone bomb as a top-tier jump scare that escalates the terror.
Ranking Revenge Body Countsdata
Van Lathan ranks cinema's ultimate "shouldn't have messed with this guy" characters, topped by John Wick's staggering 439 kills.
“It's one of my favorite theater-going experiences I've ever had.”
“What the fuck is happening?”
“And Law Abiding Citizen goes back to the old days of, this is kind of like peak 2000s revenge porn, I feel like.”
“To catch a predator, you have to become a predator.”
“He wrote, 'Law Abiding Citizen is one of those movies you like more at the time than in retrospect.'”
“I think Gerard Butler should have been James Bond 20 years ago instead of Daniel Craig.”
“The other weak link would be him being able to be in isolation.”
“Half a skeleton, half a trash is them making the live, thought of molds of themselves so they can fucking escape.”
“Sequel, prequel, prestige, TVL, Black Cast are untouchable.”
“Lessons not learned in blood are soon forgotten.”
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