‘Speed’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

This pod has no shot of dipping below 50 mph; it’s all gas, no brakes as we revisit the 1994 action thriller ‘Speed,’ starring Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock, Jeff Daniels, and Dennis Hopper. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic LIONSGATE’S MUTINY, STARRING JASON STATHAM, ONLY IN THEATERS AUGUST 21 Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at https://ChatGPT.com by selecting Work mode. Available on Plus and Pro plans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:05Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the big picture with Sean Finacy.

• 0:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, sir.

• 0:11Bill Simmons?

  Flops draft this month?

• 0:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, what do you think? You want in?

• 0:14Bill Simmons?

  Is it, did it happen yet?

• 0:15Sean Fennessey?

  No, no.

• 0:16Bill Simmons?

  I never get invited to the movie draft.

• 0:18Chris Ryan?

  Flops draft?

• 0:18Bill Simmons?

  Of course I want in.

• 0:19Sean Fennessey?

  You were just on a draft, just recently.

• 0:21Bill Simmons?

  I want to be in on the flops draft.

• 0:22Sean Fennessey?

  Did we not talk about the flops draft?

• 0:23Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 0:24Sean Fennessey?

  You're invited as well, of course.

• 0:25Bill Simmons?

  August 25th, flops draft.

• 0:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I thought it'd be a good idea.

• 0:27Bill Simmons?

  What a great idea.

• 0:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, any movie, what's the threshold? Is it sub $30 million, sub $50 million at the box office? We gotta figure it out.

• 0:35Chris Ryan?

  I like how you were like. Hype involved.

• 0:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sub 50% on Rotten Tomatoes, you know? Like, what is a flop? How do we define it?

• 0:41Bill Simmons?

  I can't wait to talk about it. Thanks for the invite.

• 0:43Sean Fennessey?

  You're welcome.

• 0:44Chris Ryan?

  Hey, thanks for the invite. I appreciate it.

• 0:45Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 0:46Bill Simmons?

  CR, much like the people were trapped on the bus in Speed, you were trapped with Adam Friedland for six weeks. You escaped. You're back.

• 0:55Chris Ryan?

  It was a wonderful bus ride around Los Angeles with Adam, talking soccer.

• 0:59Sean Fennessey?

  You were going 50 miles an hour the whole time.

• 1:01Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:02Bill Simmons?

  And you're doing some Thrones? Is that done yet?

• 1:04Chris Ryan?

  Thrones ends Sunday the 9th, so by the time people hear this, we'll be done.

• 1:09Bill Simmons?

  Are we in the 1300s yet or no, 1200s?

• 1:11Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, you know, King Henry just came into this picture. We're excited about some changes he's gonna make with dragons.

• 1:17Bill Simmons?

  The Vikings aren't in though.

• 1:17Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:18Bill Simmons?

  All right.

• 1:18Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:19Bill Simmons?

  We are going to do, uh, maybe the greatest action movie of all time. Speed is next. This episode of the Rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st. Our guy, Jason Statham, stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane, I like that movie. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, that always happens, Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission, I love one-man missions, to take down those responsible. And if you're a fan of The Beekeeper, The Meg, or The Expendables, guilty, this is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in. You've sold me.

• 2:01Bill Simmons?

  One of the defining action stars of the last 25 years, doing what he does best. I agree with that. Think Die Hard on a Boat. That sounds great. Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st, rated R for strong, bloody violence and language. There you go.

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• 3:33Bill Simmons?

  You already did a Rewatchables episode on Speed in 2017. Now you have more categories. What do you do? What do you do?

• 3:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we did this movie nine years ago. Fuck it. It's the re-speed.

• 3:46Sean Fennessey?

  I told Eileen that we were doing this, and she said, "No, you guys did that already." And I was like, "I've never done a podcast about Speed. I love Speed." I was so excited to get the text from Bill about Speed. And she was like, "No, I know that this happened because I listened to this episode and loved it." But it was almost 10 years ago that that podcast happened.

• 4:05Bill Simmons?

  It was Donnie Quoc, Concepcion, and Shay. It was one hour, four people, and we had like four categories. It was one of the first 10 we ever did.

• 4:15Chris Ryan?

  That's amazing. Was I on it?

• 4:17Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 4:17Sean Fennessey?

  No, you weren't on it, yeah.

• 4:18Bill Simmons?

  I think you were salty that you weren't on it, actually. I think we had some Ringer chemistry issues.

• 4:23Chris Ryan?

  You and me?

• 4:24Bill Simmons?

  There was a trade demand.

• 4:25Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 4:27Chris Ryan?

  And then you came and put the rings on the table?

• 4:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 4:30Bill Simmons?

  You demanded we trade it at SB Nation, and we calmed it down.

• 4:33Sean Fennessey?

  I was gonna say PFT for CR straight up. Who says no?

• 4:36Bill Simmons?

  I texted you guys. We were all texting about it. Craig, is this your favorite one we've done?

• 4:41Chris Ryan?

  Love this fucking movie.

• 4:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Bill Simmons?

  This is like, when we do film school and it's like, let's learn about Citizen Kane, Kubrick. Like, this should be an entire, not only a class, but you could do a semester on why Speed is the perfect action movie, because I think it is.

• 4:57Sean Fennessey?

  The art of blockbuster filmmaking. I think that should be a class. There's, this movie has very specific goals and it achieves all of them.

• 5:04Bill Simmons?

  And it doesn't rest for really a split second.

• 5:06Chris Ryan?

  There's not, there's one scene where people are standing still.

• 5:09Bill Simmons?

  Which one is that?

• 5:10Chris Ryan?

  When Jack gets his medal and then they go to the bar. That is the only scene where somebody is not running, walking very quickly, on their way somewhere, a vehicle is moving, somebody is falling, somebody is running.

• 5:23Bill Simmons?

  And that scene's good because it ends with Jack going, "I'm gonna go have sex."

• 5:27Sean Fennessey?

  "I'm gonna go have some sex."

• 5:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. This is the definition of a Rewatchable. It's been on for 32 straight years. I remember seeing it in the theater. It could be on TNT, it could be on real cable. It's scary, but it's not too scary. It's really fun to nitpick. I couldn't believe how many nitpicks I had. I have so many nitpicks, I think I have 15 nitpicks, but they're all out of love.

• 5:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think it's okay for a movie like this to have some plot flaws because it's fucking absurd. It's a movie about a domestic terrorist who's putting bombs under buses.

• 6:00Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 6:01Chris Ryan?

  I'll also forgive any nitpicks or flaws this movie has because if you tried to make it today, it would cost $1.3 billion because they use the actual 105 freeway, they shoot in anamorphic all over Los Angeles, blowing shit up. Like, there is no movie industry world in which this is not being shot in Romania now and using a ton of CGI.

• 6:23Bill Simmons?

  Right, they're in Poland.

• 6:24Sean Fennessey?

  We need more movies where buses drive into private jets and explode on screen. Like, that, what happened to this country?

• 6:31Chris Ryan?

  This is the thing, is they're like, Christopher Nolan, man, nobody does it. Like, I'm like, Yat Da Bok did this already!

• 6:37Bill Simmons?

  For $31 million. It's funny because it was Die Hard on a Bus.

• 6:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 6:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard's 88. They're ripping off Die Hard right after, and they do this.

• 6:48Chris Ryan?

  Is Under Siege really the first ripoff?

• 6:51Bill Simmons?

  No, they're Pastor 57.

• 6:53Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 6:54Bill Simmons?

  Under Siege 1 and 2.

• 6:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 6:56Bill Simmons?

  Sudden Death is being made with our guy Jean-Claude. But they did a whole bunch of them.

• 7:00Sean Fennessey?

  Cliffhanger.

• 7:01Bill Simmons?

  Cliffhanger's another one. It's Die Hard on a Mountain.

• 7:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:04Bill Simmons?

  So, nobody wanted to be in this, and now you look at it, they say, "Fuck it." They do it, they basically, Keanu was not the first choice, Sandra Bullock's been floating around, has made it, DeBons never directed a movie. So, they do this, and for the next three decades, everyone rips this movie off. I feel like this movie's been ripped off almost as many times as Die Hard.

• 7:23Sean Fennessey?

  At least.

• 7:23Bill Simmons?

  Where it's like, let's try, it's really fast and it moves like speed.

• 7:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:27Bill Simmons?

  But nobody's pulled it off.

• 7:28Sean Fennessey?

  The vibe of it, for sure. I feel like people are trying to, they're chasing the high of this movie, which I still don't totally know how they, what they did, what the chemistry was. And a lot of this, I have a lot of bias because I was 12 when this movie came out, and I saw it in theaters too, and I was like, holy shit!

• 7:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Sean Fennessey?

  When I got out of the movie, but I think that was true for most people. I mean, this was like a great word-of-mouth hit. People loved this movie.

• 7:51Bill Simmons?

  Well, I was doing nothing in 1994. Like, I didn't have a lot going on for those three years. Even I knew they moved the movie up.

• 8:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:01Bill Simmons?

  It was like, and I don't know how I would have known that other than reading like magazines because we didn't have the internet, but it was like, this movie's so good, they fucking moved it up. And it ends up going a week before the OJ chase, which is just, you know, the most bizarre wrinkle, just in general. This movie comes out, a week later, OJ's on the car chase, and you're watching it through the prism of like, I've never, I'm in Boston, I've never spent this much time with LA freeways in my life.

• 8:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, it makes Los Angeles seem like a reasonable place to navigate, driving-wise, weirdly. Like, I mean, like, they're almost surprised that there's traffic on the 10 in the morning. They're like, "Oh no, I'm gonna be late for work."

• 8:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:40Chris Ryan?

  But it's like, it made, it was still a time.

• 8:43Bill Simmons?

  That was like nitpick number 16.

• 8:45Chris Ryan?

  Well, the three of us grew up on the East Coast and we spent most of our life up until, you know, 30, I don't know, when did you move out here? How old were you?

• 8:52Bill Simmons?

  32.

• 8:54Chris Ryan?

  How much time had you spent out here?

• 8:55Bill Simmons?

  I only knew LA through Beverly Hills Cop, the movies that, I mean, Beverly Hills Cop, this movie, and 90210.

• 9:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's like Die Hard, Speed, Beverly Hills Cop, Beverly Hills 90210, like, your idea of what Los Angeles is like, and Speed is kind of different because, I don't know, like, Jack and Annie are like regular, everyday people, kind of, even though they have extraordinary things happen to them. I mean, Jack, I guess extraordinary shit happens to him all the time.

• 9:19Bill Simmons?

  Did this movie make you almost like sad that this wasn't the LA we moved to?

• 9:26Bill Simmons?

  Like nineties LA, like the vibe of it. Um, and you could feel it in the old nine oh two one oh reruns too, where it just seems like you could move around better than

• 9:34Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:34Bill Simmons?

  than now.

• 9:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:35Bill Simmons?

  Like even at the end, they go from, they, they save the bus at the end. But then they have to go all the way downtown for the money drop and he's like, tell them thirty minutes and twenty four minutes later, they're all downtown. I was like, that would be like an hour and a half now.

• 9:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 9:48Bill Simmons?

  To go from the airport to downtown LA.

• 9:51Sean Fennessey?

  I, I always wonder if that's just like movie magic, you know, we always joke about that with collateral where they're getting across town so quickly. Or if there was, if it actually was like half the amount of people lived here.

• 10:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:03Sean Fennessey?

  You know, was that actually the case?

• 10:05Chris Ryan?

  I mean, that's like, when you read the, there's like that Diddy and essay where she was like, we were at our place on Franklin Avenue and then we just cruised over to Malibu. I'm like, what do you mean you cruised over to Malibu? Like, that, that would take two days.

• 10:15Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my God.

• 10:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 10:16Bill Simmons?

  Especially now. So when you talk about perfect action movies, where you like look out the star, the plot's simple and great. And then it moves the way, did you make a list?

• 10:27Sean Fennessey?

  I did. I, I'm very curious to hear what you guys think about this, but you were there for the seventies movies. Like there was an era of huge action movies in the seventies. You know, that were more event spectacle movies like Towering Inferno and Poseidon Adventure. They were massive hits. And those movies, I think if you watch them now, don't really hold up. They're not really that fun to watch. You might have some nostalgic feelings for them if you watched them at the time. But they all feel over long. They've got these really baggy set pieces. It's full of like all star casts, but nobody really giving their best performances.

• 10:56Bill Simmons?

  They're all swollen.

• 10:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. But in the late eighties, early nineties, something happens and it's kind of like this hangover effect from movies like Top Gun, Beverly Hills Cop, like Hollywood figures out a pacing and editing energy.

• 11:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Sean Fennessey?

  And then everything that comes in the wake of it is basically incredible for ten years. Now I have rose colored teenager goggles on with these movies, but.

• 11:17Bill Simmons?

  No, I think you're right, though.

• 11:18Sean Fennessey?

  So tier, I'll, I'll do what I think is tier one.

• 11:20Bill Simmons?

  Can I give you one movie, though, that I think defied that from the seventies? The Warriors.

• 11:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 11:26Bill Simmons?

  That movie's ninety one minutes.

• 11:27Sean Fennessey?

  Similarly, a movie that where people are on the run the whole time.

• 11:30Bill Simmons?

  Right. That movie is the same kind of thing where it's like, I don't even know what you would cut. It's just like a filet mignon, which is what Speed's like. Anyway, go ahead.

• 11:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, maybe I'll do tier two first.

• 11:39Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 11:40Sean Fennessey?

  Tier two, Broken Arrow, Con Air, Independence Day, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Cliffhanger, True Lies, Last Action Hero, Last Boy Scout, Demolition Man, Fifth Element, Hard Target, Executive Decision. I'm sure I've forgotten some here and there, but that's mostly what I'm thinking. Tier one, Die Hard, Crimson Tide, Hunt for Red October, T Two, Point Break, The Matrix, Blade, Face Off, First Mission Impossible, Lethal Weapon, Fugitive, Heat, Under Siege, and I think at the top of the heap is Speed.

• 12:14Bill Simmons?

  I did an action movie championship belt, starting with First Blood.

• 12:18Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 12:18Bill Simmons?

  Cause I think First Blood was the first modern action movie. Where it's like, it starts out as a movie and then all of a sudden, action gets added to it, right? But I had First Blood, Terminator, First Blood Two, Predator, Die Hard. It's just, just the belt getting passed. Lethal Weapon Two, Total Recall, Terminator Two, Under Siege. I have Cliffhanger in there. Other people don't. I think Cliffhanger's great.

• 12:44Chris Ryan?

  I think Cliffhanger's aged pretty well.

• 12:46Sean Fennessey?

  I agree.

• 12:47Bill Simmons?

  The Fugitive and Speed.

• 12:48Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 12:49Bill Simmons?

  And you could just see like, so that's twelve movies in twelve years. And they're all kind of leading to Speed and Speed's learned lessons from like, hey, what made the Terminator work?

• 13:00Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 13:00Bill Simmons?

  You know, what made, what's the best part about Die Hard? And then it just kind of was like an AI intelligence of all these other things that worked. And they just made it all happen together.

• 13:11Chris Ryan?

  So one of the things about Speed and Fugitive, uh, those are two movies of my, one of my earliest recollections of saw the movie, went back and saw it the next day. Which goes to show you like, the word of mouth that came out about both of those movies, even in the nineties, when I was still like a nascent, like I'm starting to understand what film culture is like. Even though my dad was in the house, like being like, oh, lots of people like this. It was like, you were running around to your friends like, have you seen Speed yet? Oh, my God, dude, we gotta go. And both of those movies are action films, but with thriller conceits. Like Fugitive is a Hitchcock movie, essentially like a wrongly accused man.

• 13:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Chris Ryan?

  And Speed could have been a Dirty Harry movie. Like Speed could have been like, there's a crazy man.

• 13:55Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:55Chris Ryan?

  Like targeting buses in Los Angeles, but bomb squad detective Jack Trayvon. Yeah, Bronson Eastwood. It could have been like a McQueen movie, but they turn it into this like widescreen explosive, never stop action movie.

• 14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I feel like adrenaline is the thing that they tap into with these movies. It's that feeling of just like, you just, you're shaking the whole time you're watching the movie and having fun at the same time.

• 14:18Bill Simmons?

  I would say adrenaline, problem solving.

• 14:21Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 14:22Bill Simmons?

  Like the guys that came, this next wave of action movie guys like Keanu, Snipes, Willis, Nick Cage. There, it's less about like those guys winning fights and being like the strongest, like which is what we had in the eighties. And it's more like, how do we get out of this? I'll try anything.

• 14:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:39Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my God, he's gonna do that. Like when Keanu gets under the bus, it's fucking insane. No normal person would do that, you know? Or, and it's same thing with Die Hard, like Die Hard, and I feel like Die Hard cracked the code on that. When he's like, oh, what, what was it? The elevator shaft? What was the craziest thing he did in that movie? Or when he's swaying off the top?

• 14:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 15:00Bill Simmons?

  But where, but he's like a normal guy, like, I guess I gotta do this.

• 15:04Chris Ryan?

  I just think also like the taping to the back, the, I mean, all these, yes, the, it's, it's like, it's using your brain as much as your body.

• 15:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and, and pretty regular guys, like Keanu Reeves barely wins a fight with Dennis Hopper. Like he's actually on his back.

• 15:19Chris Ryan?

  Well, the Hopper thing is another, it goes back to Alan Rickman in Die Hard, or even Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs, where they're also like, the key to this movie is to grab the guy who's Tommy Lee Jones, Dennis Hopper, Anthony Hopkins, the villain who people are gonna be absolutely like magnetized by.

• 15:37Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 15:37Chris Ryan?

  And, and we'll.

• 15:38Sean Fennessey?

  Connery in Hunt for Red October, where you're just like, there's a hugely overqualified screen legend, like, who is like, I'm just gonna let it rip on this one.

• 15:47Bill Simmons?

  This would have been a fun Nicholson part. I think Hopper's great, but it's, it's right in that zone where it's like, you can almost steal the movie if you're in the evil guy part.

• 15:57Bill Simmons?

  Hopper's another one. Hackman, I guess.

• 16:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he does it.

• 16:01Bill Simmons?

  But that, but they all kind of dabbled in it. De Niro's one was Cape Fear. Were you born in the year of this movie?

• 16:06Chris Ryan?

  Two months after it came out.

• 16:08Bill Simmons?

  See, that's why he loves this stuff.

• 16:11Sean Fennessey?

  Born for it. Who showed it to you? How old were you when you saw it?

• 16:13Chris Ryan?

  This was a movie that was like, my dad put it on for me and it was, it just felt like it was always on like TNT or something. And it was a big cable watch back when people did that for me.

• 16:22Bill Simmons?

  Keanu.

• 16:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Bill Simmons?

  Point Break, Speed, The Matrix, John Wick.

• 16:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Bill Simmons?

  Just those four. That's about as good of a Mount Rushmore of, what kind of action movies did you make back in the day, Keanu? Well, you might have heard of John Wick. I made four of those, did three matrices. But between Point Break and Speed, it's a little dicey for him. And that was part of the charm of this movie is like, really, Keanu? Just watched him bomb in Dracula. He had like a tough run.

• 16:53Sean Fennessey?

  He was terrible in Dracula, but that was a big hit. That movie was very successful. I think it's, he was trying to do a thing that you see a lot of actors do now. This is something like Chalamet does, where you're really trying to balance.

• 17:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Sean Fennessey?

  The quality work with the mainstream work and trying to find a middle ground for those two things. And you could see that like after Point Break, he kind of very strongly pivots against that. He's like, I'm gonna do Shakespeare. I'm gonna do, you know, art house films. I'm gonna.

• 17:19Bill Simmons?

  I have the movies. Bill and Ted Two, Private Idaho, Dracula, Much Do About Nothing, Cowgirl Gets the Blues and Little Buddha. This was a fucking bender.

• 17:27Chris Ryan?

  When are we doing My Own Private Idaho? It's a really good movie. It would be like the greatest zag ever for us to do that.

• 17:34Bill Simmons?

  I wonder how many, have you seen it? I mean, it's the movie that made those two guys best friends.

• 17:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Bill Simmons?

  And then the research, I didn't even realize this, that, um, River Phoenix died when they were filming Speed and Keanu was so upset about it, they had to like fix the shooting schedule.

• 17:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I didn't know that either. Um.

• 17:52Bill Simmons?

  It was his best friend.

• 17:53Sean Fennessey?

  My Own Private Idaho would be a good episode. It's a really interesting movie.

• 17:56Chris Ryan?

  Do you wanna participate?

• 17:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, of course. Yeah.

• 17:59Bill Simmons?

  It's a really good one.

• 17:59Sean Fennessey?

  But that's, it wasn't, it's, that's obviously not a big hit. He's making a very specific choice to do something.

• 18:04Chris Ryan?

  He's great in that. He, I, I think he's, I think he's fine in Much Do About Nothing. I mean, like, he got a lot of grief for it, but he, if you go back and.

• 18:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think Dracula's worse. I think Dracula, he's, he sticks out like a sore thumb in Dracula.

• 18:14Bill Simmons?

  Dracula was like laugh in the theater.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, cause Dracula is a cool movie. That's like a really fun horror movie that Coppola made and he is not at his best.

• 18:22Bill Simmons?

  It's fun. This Point Break is obviously iconic. It was one of the first ones we've done. But it's kind of fun to make fun of him as it's happening a little bit at some spot.

• 18:31Sean Fennessey?

  FBI.

• 18:34Bill Simmons?

  I think he's just really good in this.

• 18:36Chris Ryan?

  He's a little more yoked up in this and, and jock, like.

• 18:39Bill Simmons?

  I like his hair.

• 18:40Chris Ryan?

  Him and Harry are in the, uh, office building right after they've rescued the people from the elevator, but they're trying to figure out whether Howard is in the building. And Harry's like, he would wanna be close by. And Jack gets up and he just like points at him like he's Joe Burrow. And I was just like, this guy's fucking cool, man. The point, I love it.

• 19:00Bill Simmons?

  You know, one thing I was thinking, cause they, they overthink everything now with TV and movies and everybody has to have a backstory and all kinds of shit. I like that. We just don't know anything about Jack. Where's he from? I don't care.

• 19:11Chris Ryan?

  You know anything about anybody? You know anything about Annie?

• 19:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 19:14Chris Ryan?

  Right. Nothing. Is he a vegetarian? Who gives a shit?

• 19:16Bill Simmons?

  Where's he live? We don't have the scene where he's just like getting ready to go to work in the morning and he's got like his dog.

• 19:22Chris Ryan?

  Like everybody else in America.

• 19:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 19:23Sean Fennessey?

  Also, the villain does have a traumatic past, but it's not played for any kind of like character dynamic. It's just like, he's just like, fuck you. Give me my money. Like.

• 19:33Bill Simmons?

  Don't you think if they made this now, it'd be a half hour longer, which is fat?

• 19:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Bill Simmons?

  And we would definitely see Jack like working out at Equinox and, you know, and he just, he just broke up with his girlfriend.

• 19:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:45Bill Simmons?

  Like they would just add all this dumb shit to his character.

• 19:47Chris Ryan?

  Well, it's even like, you think about Harry's death in this, it's like, they, he takes two seconds to mourn him. He's just like, no! And then he's like, all right, let's move on. We're still on the bus. We can't like, what are we gonna do?

• 19:58Sean Fennessey?

  I think he does say, I'm gonna rip your fucking spine out.

• 20:00Chris Ryan?

  And he's like, you'll do nothing like that. Yeah.

• 20:02Bill Simmons?

  It's actually a really good scene because, I, Bullock, who's unbelievable in this movie, she's so great. But she's like, Jack, I needed to stay with me.

• 20:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:11Bill Simmons?

  Like you got a lot of people counting on you, but, um, he's not just like the typical, and that's what they were doing with these movies. Where they would have your hero, but he would also have some sort of Achilles heel.

• 20:22Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:22Bill Simmons?

  Or he sometimes couldn't handle the moment. He might get overwhelmed. A lot like watching Joe Burrow with a bad offensive line.

• 20:28Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 20:28Bill Simmons?

  Or Justin Herbert.

• 20:29Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, that's tough.

• 20:29Bill Simmons?

  Or C J Stroud.

• 20:30Sean Fennessey?

  You've been doing your research.

• 20:32Bill Simmons?

  Sandra Bullock.

• 20:35Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if this is the.

• 20:36Sean Fennessey?

  Does that not apply to Drake May?

• 20:39Sean Fennessey?

  Shaky offensive line.

• 20:40Bill Simmons?

  Good. We're taping this in July 31st. Good Drake May, uh, performance today.

• 20:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Oh, at camp?

• 20:47Bill Simmons?

  Hit AJ a couple times.

• 20:48Sean Fennessey?

  Did he?

• 20:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. The reporters are impressed.

• 20:50Sean Fennessey?

  How are you gonna feel watching AJ?

• 20:51Chris Ryan?

  Fine.

• 20:54Chris Ryan?

  Fine.

• 20:55Bill Simmons?

  That's how I'm gonna feel about Jaylen Brown. I've already talked about that. We, we both win. Uh, Sandra Bullock. I don't know if this was the-

• 21:01Chris Ryan?

  Bill, I definitely won. I got LeBron.

• 21:05Bill Simmons?

  Okay. But that's what, that's what they said when the Trojan horse was delivered.

• 21:08Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Me and all my Trojan buddies were like, we did it. Oh, we got it. This fucking horse.

• 21:13Bill Simmons?

  Look at this thing. Lift that thing up.

• 21:19Sean Fennessey?

  So Jalen Brown is the Trojan horse in this scenario?

• 21:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, interesting.

• 21:24Bill Simmons?

  Sandra Bullock, is this the all time, you're gonna have a fucking crush on me at the end of this movie performance? Or just on the top shelf?

• 21:33Sean Fennessey?

  Way up there. I'm pretty sure I saw Love Potion number nine before this, though. So it's not like this was the first time I'd ever seen her.

• 21:39Bill Simmons?

  I saw four movies with her before this.

• 21:41Chris Ryan?

  Demolition Man before this?

• 21:42Sean Fennessey?

  She was.

• 21:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think I saw her in that.

• 21:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 21:45Bill Simmons?

  The Vanishing.

• 21:46Chris Ryan?

  The Vanishing.

• 21:47Sean Fennessey?

  Was that before this?

• 21:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. And she's smoking hot in that. And then she's in-

• 21:52Sean Fennessey?

  Not sure if that's supposed to be the takeaway, but-

• 21:54Bill Simmons?

  No, she's in it for-

• 21:55Chris Ryan?

  Have you guys seen The Vanishing? Smoke show. Absolute-

• 21:59Bill Simmons?

  Oh, she's hot. That's why he's-

• 22:00Chris Ryan?

  Five alarm.

• 22:01Bill Simmons?

  Three years looking for her. It's got posters of where she got abducted. And then she's in, uh, The Thing Called Love, whatever that movie, the River Phoenix music movie.

• 22:10Sean Fennessey?

  Peter Bogdanovich movie, yeah.

• 22:11Chris Ryan?

  She's number four. Things I've ever done professionally is sit in a really small room with you and do The Vanishing rewatch.

• 22:17Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:17Chris Ryan?

  Sure, that weird room.

• 22:19Bill Simmons?

  And you just did the voice, like, for 60% of them.

• 22:23Sean Fennessey?

  The Bridget's voice, yeah.

• 22:24Chris Ryan?

  Hello, Jeff.

• 22:25Bill Simmons?

  Hello, Jeff. I'm Barney.

• 22:30Bill Simmons?

  I'm the man you're looking for.

• 22:32Chris Ryan?

  We should bring, Barney should be, uh, one of the voices for the pod.

• 22:36Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:37Chris Ryan?

  Barney, yeah.

• 22:37Bill Simmons?

  I'll do it today.

• 22:38Sean Fennessey?

  With this movie, you'd be better with Barney, yeah.

• 22:40Bill Simmons?

  That Thing Called Love had her and Samantha Mathis.

• 22:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:42Sean Fennessey?

  Sure did.

• 22:43Chris Ryan?

  And River.

• 22:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was on my radar. I saw it in the theater.

• 22:46Sean Fennessey?

  Not a bad movie.

• 22:46Bill Simmons?

  Going on in 93 either.

• 22:47Sean Fennessey?

  Not a bad movie.

• 22:49Bill Simmons?

  So, yeah, it was, but this was, I, I wrote in my notes, a little Indy Navarrety-ish, where it's like, by the end of the movie, you're like, that person's gonna be in my life now for 20 years.

• 22:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:58Bill Simmons?

  They will be repeatedly casting her in movies.

• 23:01Sean Fennessey?

  She has an incredible ability to have chemistry with any male lead. And it does not matter how old or young they are. She is like born to be a mainstream movie star. She's a good actress, but like, she's just really good at connecting with other people on screen and then you feel connected to her.

• 23:15Bill Simmons?

  That's a, that's a great way to put it. Yeah, you're right. She could be with, I mean, she was with Ryan Reynolds.

• 23:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, and that, they, and that movie worked so well. And I don't, I don't really like Ryan Reynolds.

• 23:25Bill Simmons?

  But yeah.

• 23:25Sean Fennessey?

  That was a huge hit, that movie.

• 23:26Chris Ryan?

  To your point about like, what they focused on in this movie and what the screenplay focuses on. What, what's Annie, do we know where Annie is going to work?

• 23:37Bill Simmons?

  We have no idea where her job is.

• 23:38Chris Ryan?

  She sped. That's, I know she speeds. She has, she smokes.

• 23:43Bill Simmons?

  CR. Yeah.

• 23:45Chris Ryan?

  I'm just saying, like-

• 23:46Bill Simmons?

  She, she doesn't just smoke.

• 23:48Chris Ryan?

  But who it is, is it's Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves.

• 23:50Bill Simmons?

  She doesn't just smoke. Morning smoker.

• 23:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, well, there's-

• 23:54Bill Simmons?

  That's a whole level of darkness.

• 23:56Sean Fennessey?

  We'll explain that.

• 23:56Chris Ryan?

  Darkness or lightness? Like darkness or like the sun just came out because we're having a-

• 24:01Bill Simmons?

  I'm having a coffee in an 8 a.m. dark, getting on a bus.

• 24:05Sean Fennessey?

  What, would you be, were you a morning smoker?

• 24:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:08Sean Fennessey?

  You were?

• 24:08Chris Ryan?

  I would get up, go downstairs, smoke, go back upstairs when it happened, whenever I got up.

• 24:14Sean Fennessey?

  Like 11 a.m. or 9 a.m. or?

• 24:16Chris Ryan?

  Well, the longest time when I was working retail, we were not greeting the morning, you know what I mean? So I, but I would get up, smoke, and then go shower.

• 24:24Bill Simmons?

  My takeaway, knowing nothing on that character is just those little two tidbits told me she was out till 3:00 in the morning the night before.

• 24:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:32Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 24:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 24:33Bill Simmons?

  Probably had four hours sleep. Might not have slept at her own place.

• 24:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 24:39Bill Simmons?

  Rallyed back with the coffee cigarette. She's late for the bus. Fortunately, she knows Sam.

• 24:44Chris Ryan?

  She knows Sam.

• 24:44Sean Fennessey?

  Are you calling Annie a loose woman?

• 24:46Bill Simmons?

  No, I think she might have had a big night the night before.

• 24:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. So she's running a little late for that bus?

• 24:50Bill Simmons?

  The 8 a.m.

• 24:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Bill Simmons?

  To, to be like, that bus is a half hour. Let me, let me wipe out this dart.

• 24:59Bill Simmons?

  Half hour's a long time. Just takes a couple of puffs.

• 25:04Sean Fennessey?

  Meanwhile-

• 25:04Bill Simmons?

  She's great and can drive a bus. I mean, she was really the dream girl.

• 25:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 25:08Bill Simmons?

  I think when she apologizes, when she has the bomb vest on, she's like, sorry.

• 25:12Sean Fennessey?

  She's, she's very special. Drive a bus, is that on your hit list for things you want a woman to be able to do?

• 25:18Bill Simmons?

  Just jumped right in.

• 25:19Chris Ryan?

  I would just want-

• 25:20Bill Simmons?

  Would you know how to drive a bus, see her?

• 25:21Chris Ryan?

  Uh, no. I mean, I, I, like, would, is it, is it, would you know less, like driving a long car? Would I know how to drive a bus? Probably not. I feel like just getting a handle on that would take a bit.

• 25:32Sean Fennessey?

  I think turning is probably challenging.

• 25:34Chris Ryan?

  When she makes the sharp turn, uh, to get on the, the freeway, I'm like, that's impressive.

• 25:40Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's one of the best parts about him, uh, her and Keanu in the movie is when he's like realizes she's done a good job. And he's like, wow, hey, pretty good, you know? That's, that's them connecting.

• 25:50Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of funny that he doesn't ever like say like, I'll drive for a little bit.

• 25:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 25:53Chris Ryan?

  There's a lot of time where they're just standing there and she's driving. You'd think as the cop, he'd be like, I got it.

• 25:58Bill Simmons?

  Well, there's what, 40 minutes into the movie, he's like, eh, I might take a crack at this one once we get off the bus. What if she's doing later?

• 26:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think she's thinking the same thing.

• 26:10Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's funny, cause we did Obsession, we recorded that one on Monday and it, it's very similar to Indy Navarrety in that movie, where you're just like, I like this person.

• 26:18Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:19Bill Simmons?

  And Sandra Bullock always had it. She finally put it together and now where I just saw a trailer for Practical Magic 2.

• 26:26Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 26:28Bill Simmons?

  It's still going. Three and a half decades later.

• 26:31Sean Fennessey?

  I was at, uh, CinemaCon in April and she came out to talk about that movie when I was there. And she's like 62 years old or something. She looks like she's 39. It's in, it's insane.

• 26:40Chris Ryan?

  How many, she doesn't really make that much stuff anymore, right?

• 26:43Bill Simmons?

  I was shocked. She had less than 60 IMDb credits.

• 26:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Sean Fennessey?

  It, I think it's-

• 26:47Bill Simmons?

  She's basically been two a year max, that's it.

• 26:49Chris Ryan?

  She have kids now?

• 26:49Sean Fennessey?

  Is this her first movie since The Lost City? I feel like it is. She, she hasn't really made a movie in about four or five years. She does have kids, yeah.

• 26:58Bill Simmons?

  I actually know, it's a long random story, but the person she's with now, just like normal, like, person.

• 27:05Chris Ryan?

  Cool.

• 27:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 27:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 27:06Bill Simmons?

  But I was, she always had the rep-

• 27:08Chris Ryan?

  Sam the bus driver?

• 27:09Bill Simmons?

  She's, she's, she ended up with Sam. But she always had the rep for most normal Hollywood star. Cause some of them, you'd be shocked to know, aren't that normal.

• 27:18Sean Fennessey?

  She's one of those people like Leo or Denzel where like they still matter. And I like, people actually will still just, like, people went to go see The Lost City. Regardless of whether or not you like that movie. That movie was actually a hit almost entirely because she is still a draw in a unique way.

• 27:32Bill Simmons?

  Well, the funny, we haven't done Gravity yet. It's on the list.

• 27:36Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:37Bill Simmons?

  But that's one where that's basically Matt Damon, The Martian, like Tom Hanks cast away.

• 27:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's her biggest hit.

• 27:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's just me for an hour.

• 27:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:46Bill Simmons?

  And that's like the last level of movie stardom, if you can carry a movie like that. Just like, it's just me, guys. You're gonna enjoy watching me try to figure out stuff and get mad at myself.

• 27:54Chris Ryan?

  You also just, like, if you think about all the different ways you could have shuffled the deck of the two people who could have been the cop and the, the woman who's driving the bus and if it's like, and there's a version of this movie that's like Jean-Claude Van Damme and Natasha Henstridge. And you're just like, that, that movie probably is like borderline entertaining, but you're not like zoomed in on what's happening at the wheel of the bus and watching these two people kind of fall for each other.

• 28:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and also like really magical comes through with them, which doesn't always happen in an action movie.

• 28:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I agree. And I think that it's more likely that you were gonna get that. That's probably the reason why the movie is just, is a forever movie. It's like they kind of nailed all those particular choices that had to fall into place.

• 28:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, when you go through the casting what ifs, it's not like, oh, well, we were looking at, you know, Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but we just, it's, it's like this, this, they, they were like, I guess we'll try Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. Like, nobody knows who she is and, and he was in Point Break a couple of years ago, but-

• 28:49Sean Fennessey?

  The same goes for Yannick de Bon. Like, it could have just not been him. It could, it could have been any number of other filmmakers, cause it was just like, this is a hot script, it's a studio movie, you gotta pick the right people. He'd never made a movie before. But you get this Dutch maniac who's been studying under Verhoeven for 25 years and you, you get a guy who's willing to do all this crazy shit in this movie. I mean, the practical stuff that they're trying to pull off, that they do pull off in the movie is insane.

• 29:11Bill Simmons?

  And he brought a bunch of new stuff that wasn't-

• 29:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:15Bill Simmons?

  Like the bus jump was like his idea.

• 29:17Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 29:17Bill Simmons?

  The whole elevator first 20 minutes, like he, that was him on Die Hard.

• 29:21Chris Ryan?

  But even like when, uh, when the first bus blows in Venice and Jack is like running up to it, and then like the flames are jumping and he's like, ah, ah. I'm like, is that Keanu Reeves next to like actual active fire?

• 29:33Bill Simmons?

  Probably, yeah.

• 29:35Sean Fennessey?

  Have any overs. That's the thing is the flip side of it is this is clearly a much less safe time in Hollywood. But so many of the things that they do in the movie, so many of the action set pieces. When, when they were making, if they were making it now, they would have just said, ah, we'll just fix that in post. We'll just, we will be able to digitally touch this, so it's all fine. And some of the sequences wouldn't look as good. They definitely wouldn't feel as good. They wouldn't feel as deep and real. Also, all the stuff like the elevator shaft is all miniature, stuff that they built by hand and then shot together. It's just like, it's kind of the last moment, right? It's pre Armageddon. It's pre Independence Day where.

• 30:11Bill Simmons?

  It's pre, it's a year before Twister, or a year and a half before Twister.

• 30:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's just right at the end of that CGI transition where everything big and explosive just goes into that approach instead of this approach. And it's why it's such a forever movie.

• 30:25Bill Simmons?

  Movies too, but this one is.

• 30:26Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. I love those movies as well, but this one is almost entirely done practically.

• 30:30Chris Ryan?

  It's like The Fugitive. It's like, let's take, let's take this thriller concept, but take it to its most extreme, but still plausible and logical like extension of like, have a train crash, have like, you know, this guy, have this St. Patrick's Day parade be the, the setting for a chase scene and then like have buses.

• 30:50Bill Simmons?

  And we love The Fugitive. We've done it twice, including in front of a live audience in Chicago. This movie moves way faster than The Fugitive.

• 30:57Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 30:57Bill Simmons?

  Fugitive is, there's a couple of slow parts. Did you ask Danny Kelly if he would change his name to Yon?

• 31:03Chris Ryan?

  Not yet. Does Danny Kelly know that Scoot McNairy is playing a character named Danny Kelly on Furious?

• 31:09Speaker 04

  He was just informed, somebody on Twitter sent him a, like a screenshot of, because they talk about the character's name being Danny Kelly in the show, right?

• 31:16Chris Ryan?

  Being very Irish.

• 31:17Sean Fennessey?

  Does anybody call him DK?

• 31:18Chris Ryan?

  No, not yet. Okay. Not yet.

• 31:21Bill Simmons?

  That was a Bill Simmons note.

• 31:24Bill Simmons?

  First year of the pod.

• 31:25Sean Fennessey?

  Changing to Yon.

• 31:25Bill Simmons?

  Can't both be Danny and the pod.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  And now neither of them are Danny. It's hyphens and DK.

• 31:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Hopper? Little Hopper resurgence? Starting with True Romance?

• 31:37Chris Ryan?

  The Hopper songs.

• 31:37Sean Fennessey?

  I would argue that the Blue Velvet Hoosiers thing is what puts him back on the map. That in 86, he makes those movies. He gets an Oscar nomination despite being one of the well-known maniacs in Hollywood history. Like literally a crazy person who did crazy shit in the sixties and seventies. And then he makes this crazy comeback and then he gets like a 15 year gravy train where he gets tons of studio movie parts.

• 31:59Bill Simmons?

  True Romance, Speed and Waterworld, all back to back to back. I didn't know who, I wasn't like a going backwards movies guy. I knew him from Hoosiers first. It's like, oh, Shooter. Wait, Coach is getting kicked out? Let Shooter take over the team? What's going on here? But he ended up having a nice run and I would love to say, oh, it should have been somebody else for this part, but I think he's like a home run.

• 32:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean.

• 32:26Bill Simmons?

  I think he's so good at this.

• 32:27Chris Ryan?

  He has like this malevolence that can come out of nowhere that, you know, even going back to, to Blue Velvet. And an energy that you can see in Apocalypse Now and see in any of his like classic performances that is that kind of like aging method, wildcat, untamed animal.

• 32:45Bill Simmons?

  True Romance, talking about the moors.

• 32:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, it's just so special, man. It's just really special to watch. And e- even though Howard, I'm not even really sure what his ideology was. Yeah. Or like what the plan was, like it seemed like.

• 32:59Bill Simmons?

  Also, why'd he blow up that house? That was in a nice location.

• 33:02Sean Fennessey?

  You think that was his house? Whose house was that?

• 33:04Chris Ryan?

  It was his house. They tracked him down.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. He, he had the chips pushed all the way in.

• 33:08Sean Fennessey?

  So he blew up his own house just to kill Harry. That's kind of a crazy.

• 33:12Bill Simmons?

  He was gonna move anyway.

• 33:13Chris Ryan?

  That's what Mike Ganzie did to get LeBron.

• 33:16Sean Fennessey?

  Just to show you how yin I am, blow up my own house.

• 33:21Bill Simmons?

  He's getting, then we got Jeff Daniels, who pulls off the double Harry in 1994. He's a Dumb and Dumber and Speed.

• 33:27Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of a weird moment where like he's slumming it a little bit, but it, it makes the movies, both of those movies so much better that, you know, skilled actor Jeff Daniels is in them playing the fourth lead. It's really strange.

• 33:37Bill Simmons?

  I think he, in the research, he was basically saying, I didn't realize this movie was good until I saw the movie.

• 33:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Bill Simmons?

  But I think he, he was probably like how everybody felt filming season one of Cape Fear. Where.

• 33:51Sean Fennessey?

  But it turns out it wasn't good.

• 33:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. It turned out it wasn't good, but in, when you watch Cape Fear, by about episode five, you can start seeing when each actor loses their will to be on the show.

• 34:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:01Bill Simmons?

  Patrick Wilson by episode seven is like, just fucking kill me. Just shoot me in the head.

• 34:06Sean Fennessey?

  Have you stuck with Cape Fear?

• 34:07Bill Simmons?

  No. Okay. It's, it's the worst show of all time.

• 34:11Bill Simmons?

  But Jeff Daniels was probably like, yeah, I'm doing this Jim Carrey thing. I think it's gonna be big. This fucking Dutch guy, this bus movie. I don't know. Yeah.

• 34:19Chris Ryan?

  We wanted John McTiernan. We couldn't get him.

• 34:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I'm only in a few scenes, like Keanu's the lead and then.

• 34:25Sean Fennessey?

  He gives the movie a lot.

• 34:26Bill Simmons?

  He really does.

• 34:27Sean Fennessey?

  He gives it like a credibility. He's got a different tone in his acting style where everybody else is just like so locked in.

• 34:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:33Sean Fennessey?

  And he's like much more laconic and easygoing.

• 34:35Bill Simmons?

  Also, he gives it, the face he makes, which I had later for the most giffable moment from this movie, the, oh my God, I'm fucked face. And you just kind of.

• 34:46Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of the OG Shamet face.

• 34:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Sean Fennessey?

  Have, have we addressed how the Shamet face needs to be completely retired? How land, how Shamet is now like a god?

• 34:54Chris Ryan?

  Have we addressed it?

• 34:55Bill Simmons?

  He is.

• 34:56Sean Fennessey?

  On any Bill Simmons podcast? Yeah.

• 34:59Bill Simmons?

  He got, he got a new contract? Yeah.

• 35:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. A great deal.

• 35:02Bill Simmons?

  So Shamet face got replaced by Jeff Daniels face?

• 35:05Sean Fennessey?

  Possibly. Possibly. Jeff Daniels is about to be exploded into a million pieces face.

• 35:10Bill Simmons?

  How do you feel about Dumb and Dumber and Speed? Same actor, same year, couple of months apart.

• 35:16Chris Ryan?

  Six months apart? I think it was like Christmas and summer.

• 35:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Bill Simmons?

  I mean, that's like an all time, two fucking weird parts that have nothing to do with each other.

• 35:24Sean Fennessey?

  That's gotta be up there for any great year for any double rewatchables movie actor.

• 35:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 35:30Chris Ryan?

  Also, probably really helped Dumb and Dumber when it was coming out. People were like, oh, guy from Speed.

• 35:33Sean Fennessey?

  Well, yeah, but he was, you know, in terms of endearment and, you know, he was in a ton of shit.

• 35:37Bill Simmons?

  I agree that he's important for this movie.

• 35:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. He gives it some credibility.

• 35:41Bill Simmons?

  He's not in that much. He's in 30 minutes.

• 35:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. There's, um.

• 35:44Sean Fennessey?

  Him and Joe Morton, I think, give it a lot of credibility.

• 35:46Chris Ryan?

  Fuck yeah. Joe Morton's incredible.

• 35:47Sean Fennessey?

  Our guy. Yeah.

• 35:48Chris Ryan?

  There's a quality to this screenplay. So Graham Yost writes this. It's his first, I think, produced screenplay at least, but he was pretty young hotshot. He goes on to do Justified and like tons of TV stuff, um, a bunch of movies. But he wrote this script, I think it was almost all on the bus when he wrote this, his version of it, before it started to go into development. I wouldn't say it's like William Goldman or, or whatever, but it is a rock solid screenplay. And even though these characters aren't real people, they are perfect movie characters.

• 36:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 36:24Chris Ryan?

  Where like you can see like Harry says to Jack, you need to start thinking and not just be so instinctual. Guts will get you so far. And by the end of the movie, like Jack has to think his way through this situation. And Harry ironically dies by being instinctive and running into a house that he shouldn't run into. And it's like, just really good, solid Hollywood screenwriting that's happening while most people are like, that fucking bus is about to jump over a gap.

• 36:49Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:51Bill Simmons?

  Josh Whedon did some rewrites for it too. I was trying to, I was looking at Joe Morton's IMDb. It's just never a bad thing when he's in a movie. He's probably secretly been in like seven rewatchables. He was just in Ali.

• 37:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 37:05Chris Ryan?

  He's great in Ali.

• 37:06Bill Simmons?

  I think he's really good in this movie. He doesn't have a lot of lines, but he's got great reactions. I love when the bus jump happens and they cut to him and he's just like, fuck yeah.

• 37:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 37:15Chris Ryan?

  Or when like, he's just like, you're all fired.

• 37:20Bill Simmons?

  And then I, I had, uh, yeah, the screenwriter director, the score by Mark Mancina.

• 37:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Hired in part because he was coming off of being basically Hans Zimmer's number two on True Romance. And they were like, I want some of that energy in this movie.

• 37:37Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, the only other thing I had for the intro was just favorite, like I'm in LA movies. It's weird because this movie's, it's basically LA under attack. But it's some nice different snapshots of, we're in Venice. We're near the airport. We're on all the different highways. We're, we're in downtown. We end in two different spots in downtown. We're using the trolley. We're using the bus. It's.

• 38:03Sean Fennessey?

  I fantasize about being able to get off that exit, go into the airport with not a single car on the highway. That is one of the worst places in the universe.

• 38:11Chris Ryan?

  Like I think you have to do it at three in the morning if you want to have that kind of experience.

• 38:14Bill Simmons?

  Well, that was the, literally the only positive of COVID that I could think of.

• 38:19Chris Ryan?

  Driving to the airport.

• 38:19Bill Simmons?

  Having more family time. No, just no traffic. Just flying around.

• 38:24Sean Fennessey?

  So it was no traffic, then more family time?

• 38:27Bill Simmons?

  Family time, one A, traffic one B, then no, no other happy things. Speed won and two Oscars?

• 38:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Sound, right?

• 38:36Bill Simmons?

  Sound and best sound effects editing.

• 38:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Bill Simmons?

  Who are the favorites this year, Sean?

• 38:40Sean Fennessey?

  The Odyssey is gonna dominate all the below the line stuff. Also, they've combined those two categories, just so you know now. It's just best sound. They no longer do sound editing.

• 38:49Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Odyssey will be, they have best stunts, right?

• 38:52Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's next year.

• 38:53Chris Ryan?

  Next year?

• 38:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 38:54Bill Simmons?

  I'm already emotionally prepared. It's a lot like the Pat's Super Bowl where deep down I kind of knew we were gonna lose of, Matt Damon being the favorite for seven months, then losing for best actor.

• 39:05Sean Fennessey?

  He's gonna lose to, um, Andrew Scott in a movie called Elsinore that I've not yet seen, but I can, I can already see, I already, I can, I'm just looking at all.

• 39:15Chris Ryan?

  This is what we were talking about with.

• 39:16Bill Simmons?

  It's gonna be so devastating.

• 39:17Chris Ryan?

  It's gonna be, she's gonna win. And I'm like, no, she's not. We're not a rhymes.

• 39:21Bill Simmons?

  Well, we, we said she's the, she's the favorite right now, but we also haven't seen 80% of the movies.

• 39:27Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 39:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I, I gotta talk about this for nine months, so I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I can, I, for whatever reason, in my bones, I'm like, this Andrew Scott thing is gonna happen. I don't, I don't know why I feel that way, but I do.

• 39:38Bill Simmons?

  It's the fucking helmet catch for the Oscars for Boston fans. It's like, Matty D, here comes. And the nominees are, alright, we got this.

• 39:50Chris Ryan?

  He's one ass. This kid, Odysseus, motherfuckers.

• 39:54Sean Fennessey?

  You're treating Matt Damon like Kurt Schilling on the Red Sox is so weird.

• 39:57Bill Simmons?

  He's a Boston team. Both of our guys, he started out from Boston.

• 40:02Chris Ryan?

  Has Joe Mazz weighed in on the Odyssey yet?

• 40:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow.

• 40:05Bill Simmons?

  Great question.

• 40:06Sean Fennessey?

  That is, it is a real, I'll watch this 10 times in a row.

• 40:09Bill Simmons?

  What if I had Allison just ask Joe Mazz, he'll want you on, doesn't want to talk NBA, just wants to talk Odyssey.

• 40:16Sean Fennessey?

  No, Retown.

• 40:17Bill Simmons?

  Retown with Joe Mazz?

• 40:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's the one he watches over and over again, right?

• 40:20Chris Ryan?

  If you did a town with Joe Mazz in, in live in Boston, you could probably sell out the garden.

• 40:27Sean Fennessey?

  Right?

• 40:28Bill Simmons?

  After watching Shane Gillis sell seventy six thousand football stadium.

• 40:32Sean Fennessey?

  Did he really?

• 40:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He sold out the fucking football stadium.

• 40:35Sean Fennessey?

  Philly. Yeah, makes sense.

• 40:36Bill Simmons?

  All right.

• 40:38Bill Simmons?

  Sold out. Kind of a dig.

• 40:41Bill Simmons?

  Thirty five million dollar budget for this movie made three fifty.

• 40:44Chris Ryan?

  Bang.

• 40:44Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good.

• 40:45Bill Simmons?

  Fifth biggest nineteen ninety four movie. Nineteen ninety four. Banger, banger year.

• 40:50Sean Fennessey?

  You have the, I don't have the list. Do you have the list of what was above it?

• 40:53Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I can look. I'll look after we do the break.

• 40:55Sean Fennessey?

  Ninety four is pulp, right?

• 40:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Biggest episode of the whole pod. Roger Ebert. Four fucking stars.

• 41:02Chris Ryan?

  I knew it.

• 41:04Bill Simmons?

  Speed is an ingenious wind up machine. Smart inventive thriller. We've seen this done before. Sold them so well. And then he said, films like Speed belong to the genre called bruised forearm movies. Cause you're always grabbing the arm of the person sitting next to you.

• 41:19Sean Fennessey?

  Great line. He reused that line on the TV show. I watched him, Siskel and Ebert talk about this last night. This, this is what struck me. They both loved the movie, right? This was like a critically acclaimed summer blockbuster, which is a very rare thing.

• 41:33Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 41:34Sean Fennessey?

  They talked about the movie for less than two minutes and then went on to the next movie on the episode. If this movie came out today, we would have done, I would have done at least three episodes of the big picture about this movie. I would have found a million ways to cover it. It was kind of fascinating to think about the fact that like what our media was that was supporting movies like, it didn't require all that much to get people to get up and go to see the movie.

• 41:56Chris Ryan?

  Would you do one good blurb on a bus for Speed?

• 41:59Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. Yeah. I've, I've been on an LA city bus before. Yeah.

• 42:02Bill Simmons?

  It's one blurb. It's not one good blurb.

• 42:04Chris Ryan?

  My bad.

• 42:04Sean Fennessey?

  One blurb, yeah.

• 42:05Chris Ryan?

  As the executive producer of One Blur.

• 42:07Bill Simmons?

  I still think you should do that. You just come out of the theater.

• 42:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 42:11Bill Simmons?

  Sean Fennessey, just saw The Odyssey.

• 42:13Chris Ryan?

  Does he have to introduce himself on his own social handles every time?

• 42:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:16Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 42:17Sean Fennessey?

  Hey guys, it's me, Sean Fennessey.

• 42:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Sean Fennessey?

  Just saw The Odyssey.

• 42:21Bill Simmons?

  Just test drive it.

• 42:21Sean Fennessey?

  A magnificent reinterpretation. Fuck you, Emily Wilson. Sign off.

• 42:26Bill Simmons?

  Boom.

• 42:27Chris Ryan?

  Boston's son is coming home.

• 42:31Bill Simmons?

  Listen, you guys, you guys think I'm kidding. Um, so top eight domestic ninety four Forrest Gump.

• 42:40Bill Simmons?

  Lion King.

• 42:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 42:42Bill Simmons?

  Saw that on a date.

• 42:46Chris Ryan?

  Did you stay with?

• 42:46Bill Simmons?

  Good day. No, we were, we were dating at that point. Real date.

• 42:49Sean Fennessey?

  Speed and Lion King were in the same Siskel and Ebert episode. These are two of the most.

• 42:53Chris Ryan?

  How long did they talk about Lion King?

• 42:54Sean Fennessey?

  More minutes.

• 42:55Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 42:56Bill Simmons?

  Santa Claus, still haven't seen it. Uh, The Flintstones, which made a hundred thirty million dollars somehow. I don't, still don't understand that. Dumb and Dumber, Clear and Present Danger, Speed, The Mask, Pulp Fiction.

• 43:10Sean Fennessey?

  Sick.

• 43:10Bill Simmons?

  Of the in year releases.

• 43:12Sean Fennessey?

  Director of The Mask Chuck Russell just passed away. Awesome movie.

• 43:15Bill Simmons?

  But then that, there's a whole bunch of, wow, ninety four was, we've done a lot of these. Couple disappointing ones too.

• 43:22Chris Ryan?

  Like what?

• 43:23Bill Simmons?

  Cop three, I'm still coming to grips with how bad that was.

• 43:27Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, Shawshank is ninety four.

• 43:29Bill Simmons?

  Shawshank's ninety four. A lot of good stuff.

• 43:31Chris Ryan?

  Is JFK ninety four? What year's JFK?

• 43:34Sean Fennessey?

  Ninety two.

• 43:35Chris Ryan?

  Ninety two.

• 43:36Bill Simmons?

  We didn't, we didn't know how well we were eating in ninety two, ninety three and ninety four. We're gonna take a break. We'll do rewatchable scenes. This episode is brought to you by Chat GPT. Imagine you're running a professional sports team. Nice. That'd be a dream of mine. Imagine the player contract report is due today. Not so nice. You've got performance notes from the coaching staff. You got a salary spreadsheet from your analyst. Three rounds of back and forth emails with the agent and all of it is scattered absolutely everywhere. Well, that's where Chat GPT work comes in. It's a new way to use Chat GPT for bigger multi-step projects. Give Chat GPT work access to your apps and files and can create

• 44:18Bill Simmons?

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• 44:57Chris Ryan?

  The opening twenty three minutes, holy fucking shit, this goes so hard. That's my only note.

• 45:03Bill Simmons?

  The one scared lady not wanting to come out of the elevator?

• 45:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. That would be Sean.

• 45:06Bill Simmons?

  Come on. Yeah, Sean would be like, no.

• 45:11Sean Fennessey?

  Fuck that. First guy jumping out.

• 45:14Bill Simmons?

  Sean would be like, oh, the people.

• 45:16Sean Fennessey?

  So I just had, I did a really cool interview that hasn't run yet on, on the pod with Patrick Fishler, who is the guy who, that, you know, who is a

• 45:23Chris Ryan?

  Of course.

• 45:23Sean Fennessey?

  very well known character actor now, who's in this movie. This is his first credit in a movie. He's the guy who's getting, um, picked on in the elevator where he presses the button.

• 45:31Bill Simmons?

  Wow.

• 45:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And we had an awesome conversation about like his, the arc of his whole career, but he talked about getting cast in this movie in that interview where he was just like, yeah, Jan liked me. And that just like set me off on a that guy run for my career.

• 45:43Chris Ryan?

  Do you have any memories of like how they shot the elevator scene or anything?

• 45:46Sean Fennessey?

  We talked about it a little bit. I mean, it obviously wasn't as exciting as it looks in the movie. Um, but he was just kind of blown away because it was his first like really big movie set that he was participating in making the movie.

• 45:55Bill Simmons?

  DeBont got the idea from working on Die Hard and always thought elevator shafts were scary and was like, what if we did this?

• 46:01Chris Ryan?

  Can I just throw one of my favorite unintentional comedy moments is in, uh, like in that office building before they get on the elevator, the way that all of the char, all the actors are about to go on this elevator ride to hell, but they have to do ten seconds of like, great meeting, dick. I thought the blueprints for that building were excellent.

• 46:19Sean Fennessey?

  Actually, you know, but you know, you're in a, what's gonna be an awesome movie because in that scene, it's not like the camera set up on a tripod far away. It's like the camera is like spinning around in that meeting room and you're like, holy shit. Like Jan DeBont is on.

• 46:32Chris Ryan?

  I think this project's gonna be a rousing success.

• 46:35Bill Simmons?

  Crazy Dutch guy. Uh, and then you think the elevator's over, but then we're in the freight elevator.

• 46:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:41Bill Simmons?

  And we're doing that whole thing. Great stuff. Uh, first bus blows up.

• 46:47Bill Simmons?

  That gives us the pop quiz hot shot.

• 46:48Sean Fennessey?

  Do you, do you, do you think of Howard shooting them out in the freight elevator and then taking Harry hostage as a separate scene or is that all the same?

• 46:57Bill Simmons?

  I think freight elevator is its own scene.

• 46:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think there's three scenes within the first twenty five. It's like the people in the elevator, the freight elevator, and then the basement.

• 47:05Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 47:06Chris Ryan?

  With the hostage situation, shoot the hostage.

• 47:07Bill Simmons?

  The freight elevator also has a great moment when they were like trying to figure out if he's in the building and, and Dana's like, I think there's a freight elevator. Keanu's like just fucking on the run, ready to roll. Um, first bus blown up.

• 47:23Bill Simmons?

  The payphone. And we're gonna have to do some nitpicks as, as we go through the movie, but bus blows up. Jack's getting coffee in the morning, you know, just talking to the bus driver, just having a, just ready to start the day.

• 47:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:37Bill Simmons?

  This bus blows up. He chases it. Now it like blows up again. Now it's on fire. We don't know how many people are on, but the driver's definitely dead. And the payphone starts ringing and Jack's just like, payphone, I should get that. I just, I just don't.

• 47:53Chris Ryan?

  He has a feeling. He has a bad feeling.

• 47:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's, he's an instinctual.

• 47:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:57Sean Fennessey?

  Police officer.

• 47:58Bill Simmons?

  And then Hopper has it figured out so that the bus is gonna blow up and roll to the spot where these two payphones are. And banking that Jack's gonna run after it. I, I'm gonna say a hundred to one odds.

• 48:09Sean Fennessey?

  Does Hopper have eyes on the bus blowing up in some way?

• 48:12Chris Ryan?

  He must have had cameras. He's right by there.

• 48:14Sean Fennessey?

  He's nearby.

• 48:15Chris Ryan?

  Calling on his cell phone like down the street.

• 48:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 48:17Chris Ryan?

  Cause you can see the flames in the windshield of his car.

• 48:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 48:20Bill Simmons?

  Are you answering a payphone right there or no?

• 48:23Chris Ryan?

  Well, I mean, I, I think that, for kicks, like, like back in the day, I used to answer.

• 48:28Sean Fennessey?

  Kicks?

• 48:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like if you were like hanging out and smoking a cigarette with your friends and the payphone rang, sometimes you would pick it up.

• 48:34Sean Fennessey?

  What are you talking about?

• 48:35Chris Ryan?

  Would you not ever pick up a payphone that was ringing?

• 48:37Sean Fennessey?

  No. What, what if it was for somebody you needed?

• 48:40Chris Ryan?

  Psychopath? No, not to be like pop quiz hot shot, but to be like, what's up? You never know what if fucking Sandra Bullock was calling, you know?

• 48:49Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I wouldn't do that.

• 48:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, that, this got stolen for basically every video game where somebody's on a run or doing a mission where it's like, oh, the payphones.

• 48:56Sean Fennessey?

  There's a whole movie called Phone Booth that is based on this feeling, this vibe of what happens in the movie. I have a quick question about this scene that I'm very.

• 49:02Bill Simmons?

  Speed ripoff.

• 49:03Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it is. I'm not, what's up with him forgetting his muffin?

• 49:09Chris Ryan?

  What do you mean?

• 49:09Bill Simmons?

  He gets coffee and a muffin.

• 49:11Sean Fennessey?

  Gets coffee and he forgets his muffin. And then the guy behind the counter is like, hey, Jack, you forgot your muffin. And then like, so Jack turns around. And at first you're like, okay, so maybe this is so that he doesn't like get on the bus or something, but he's never gonna get in the bus. He drove there.

• 49:23Chris Ryan?

  I think it's just supposed to be a slice of life. Like this guy likes a muffin, but sometimes he forgets it. Sometimes he's in a hurry. Sometimes he's, he's thinking about maybe like.

• 49:31Bill Simmons?

  Like Sandy having the morning dart. Same thing.

• 49:33Sean Fennessey?

  Follow up question. Is Jack Trevan the kind of guy who eats a muffin?

• 49:36Chris Ryan?

  I was asking my wife about that.

• 49:38Bill Simmons?

  Egg sandwich.

• 49:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like where are we at with muffins? Like popularity wise? I feel like they're really falling out of favor, especially at your specialty cop shops.

• 49:45Bill Simmons?

  But somehow donuts came back.

• 49:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 49:48Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I feel like the PR for muffins is bad because now everybody's like, well, this isn't good for you. You can't do that.

• 49:51Chris Ryan?

  Well, they're like, it's thirty five hundred calories and it's like.

• 49:54Bill Simmons?

  And sugar.

• 49:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 49:55Bill Simmons?

  So you're gonna crash.

• 49:56Chris Ryan?

  The thing now that, that, that has been going on is the PR for bagels is out of control and they've convinced like hot people that eating a bagel in the morning is totally fine.

• 50:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that we've made the yeast better and it's actually better for you.

• 50:09Chris Ryan?

  Courage and Layla bagels and all these like fancy bagel spots. It's like, you see these like women in workout clothes at eight AM having a bagel.

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  I've been team bagel for a long time. So this is huge for me. You know, the fact that I can eat a bagel sandwich.

• 50:20Chris Ryan?

  Like full Nithia.

• 50:23Bill Simmons?

  That's why I'm gonna change LA.

• 50:25Sean Fennessey?

  You should run. You should run for mayor.

• 50:27Chris Ryan?

  You would win in a landslide.

• 50:31Bill Simmons?

  Courage and Layla bagels though, both.

• 50:33Chris Ryan?

  They're great, but like.

• 50:34Bill Simmons?

  Home runs.

• 50:34Sean Fennessey?

  East side, we got Maury's, we got Bells.

• 50:36Chris Ryan?

  People are like starting their day with a bagel every day now because of the, like the PR spit on bagels. It used to be like a hungover Sunday morning. You have a bacon, egg and cheese.

• 50:45Bill Simmons?

  It's like basically having pizza.

• 50:46Chris Ryan?

  Starting your Tuesday with a bagel.

• 50:47Bill Simmons?

  I'm a tourist guy from the East Coast, man. You don't have to tell me about bagels.

• 50:50Sean Fennessey?

  Long Island bagels are a religion. Yeah. We eat bagels every Saturday.

• 50:53Bill Simmons?

  Love the bagels. Uh, next scene, Sandy gets on the bus. Sam holds the bus for her. And, uh.

• 51:01Chris Ryan?

  Makes her run a little bit though. You can see her. She's.

• 51:03Bill Simmons?

  She has to throw down the dart, um, hops on, gets, sits next to, uh, Connor Roy.

• 51:10Sean Fennessey?

  Would you seek out a woman smoking when you were a young man?

• 51:13Bill Simmons?

  I would have filed it away.

• 51:14Sean Fennessey?

  But like when you saw a woman smoking where you're like, you're going on the list. I'm interested.

• 51:19Chris Ryan?

  No, it's more, it's, it's fellow traveler.

• 51:21Sean Fennessey?

  What did it tell you?

• 51:22Chris Ryan?

  It's like you're outside, you have a smoke break. She has a smoke break or you're outside a bar or you're, you know, like, do you have a light? It's just like a icebreaker.

• 51:30Sean Fennessey?

  Got it.

• 51:30Bill Simmons?

  It's like when Cruz sees a fellow Scientologist. He's like.

• 51:35Sean Fennessey?

  How does he know they're a Scientologist?

• 51:37Bill Simmons?

  Talk later about the thepens.

• 51:40Chris Ryan?

  We're cutting out. We're trying to get Cruz on the rewatchable.

• 51:42Bill Simmons?

  No, keep it.

• 51:47Bill Simmons?

  So she gets on the bus. Keep it. Have those secrets? She gets on the bus.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  It's not your secrets we're worried about.

• 51:58Bill Simmons?

  Keanu hops in his 1974 Bronco Sport.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  God damn, it's a nice car.

• 52:03Bill Simmons?

  One of the best cars ever. Not a car I'd wanna chase down a bus in, though.

• 52:06Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:07Bill Simmons?

  Rickety, a little wobbly, gets in, finds, finds, they won't let him on. Gets Glenn Plummer.

• 52:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:15Bill Simmons?

  Out of nowhere.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  Toon man.

• 52:16Bill Simmons?

  Hops into the Jaguar, figures out how to get on the bus. It's just a wonderful seven minutes.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Probably doesn't need to, to strike the two doors on the side of the car. That felt like he was going a little extra.

• 52:27Chris Ryan?

  Well, so I think that.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  It's a cool move.

• 52:31Chris Ryan?

  The elevator's great, the bus blowing up is great. When he opens the car door and slams on the brakes to smash off.

• 52:39Bill Simmons?

  Almost start a 40 car accident.

• 52:41Chris Ryan?

  That's when, that's when the prayer circle starts.

• 52:44Sean Fennessey?

  And they just, they just did that.

• 52:47Speaker 04

  He was doing tricks on it.

• 52:47Sean Fennessey?

  That just happened.

• 52:48Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:49Sean Fennessey?

  Like, that's just the real thing that they did while making the movie.

• 52:51Chris Ryan?

  There's a couple of things, I don't wanna step on great shock order, but it's not that important of a category. There, there's a couple of shots in this where I'm like, so what was take two gonna be? Like, did you guys have another Jaguar with the, like, the exact same Jaguar with a door?

• 53:04Bill Simmons?

  Dutch directors.

• 53:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  Dutch directors.

• 53:06Bill Simmons?

  Dutch directing and soccer.

• 53:09Sean Fennessey?

  Just think about this, this 12 months in Jan DeBons' life is he shoots Basic Instinct as a cinematographer. He's the man behind the camera for the most notorious scene of the 1990s.

• 53:20Chris Ryan?

  He finds the key late.

• 53:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. And then he makes speed. This guy is fucking crazy.

• 53:26Bill Simmons?

  And then he's like, what's next for me? Twister, cows are gonna be flying in the air.

• 53:31Sean Fennessey?

  Truly.

• 53:32Bill Simmons?

  Uh, stand or get off.

• 53:35Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:36Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:37Bill Simmons?

  Really good one. Right, I forgot to mention, it's not a rewatchable scene, but I, I love when the guy, the criminal on the bus thinks Jack's there for him. Just shoots Sam.

• 53:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:48Bill Simmons?

  Always fun when somebody just gets randomly shot but lives in an action movie. The, uh, the old lady blowing up.

• 53:55Sean Fennessey?

  Moving Sam off the, the, the bus and, and then Beth Grant's character getting blown up is one of my favorite moments in the movies in the 90s.

• 54:03Bill Simmons?

  I sent you screenshots of this.

• 54:05Chris Ryan?

  I have to, Annie!

• 54:07Bill Simmons?

  You can see it cuts to her and she's like, ah, like, like, almost like a crack addict.

• 54:12Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, uh, the fucking guy who should be exiled to Siberia is the one cop who's like, come on!

• 54:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Chris Ryan?

  It's like, this is, this is like widely communicated that they're not allowed to get off the bus. What are you tempting these people for?

• 54:28Bill Simmons?

  Just jump, lady. Uh, the bus jump. This movie just does not let up. Every time we're like, oh, let's get some backstory. It's like, nope, next problem.

• 54:39Sean Fennessey?

  Amazing.

• 54:40Bill Simmons?

  They didn't finish the bridge. What do you mean?

• 54:42Chris Ryan?

  Um, he shoots it like the Charge of the Light Brigade, too, where it's like Joe Morton watching the bus go off as like the sun is starting to, to crest and it's like.

• 54:51Bill Simmons?

  So we, I mean, we might as well do the nitpicks for this now. This is probably the most unrealistic, great scene in the history of movies.

• 54:59Chris Ryan?

  But physically possible.

• 55:00Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, I wish I'd prepared for that.

• 55:02Bill Simmons?

  The bus goes up.

• 55:04Chris Ryan?

  If there is an incline, there is physically possible.

• 55:06Bill Simmons?

  When you look at how they do it, it's pretty straight.

• 55:08Chris Ryan?

  I read on Reddit, they're, r slash physics.

• 55:11Sean Fennessey?

  I read on Reddit.

• 55:12Chris Ryan?

  I know, but I went to like a real Reddit board.

• 55:14Sean Fennessey?

  Sure, oh yeah, not one of these fake ones. More of the verifiable ones.

• 55:18Bill Simmons?

  They did a Mythbusters episode in 2009. And here's what we found out. Um, it was impossible under real world conditions was, was the legacy of this.

• 55:32Sean Fennessey?

  In your face, r physics.

• 55:34Chris Ryan?

  All they're saying is that it's kinetically possible. You know what I mean?

• 55:37Bill Simmons?

  I think it would have to go, I think the ramp would have to be like this, though.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Looks like it hits something that kind of pops the nose up.

• 55:44Sean Fennessey?

  It does. It was like when you'd go over like a, a little hill with your BMX bike. You'd be like, oop, got a little jump.

• 55:49Bill Simmons?

  So this was a little, uh, crazy Dutch thing where he heard about that there was a space between the two highways. It was like, we will do a jump! And they just do it. There's YouTube.

• 56:01Sean Fennessey?

  You should do him as Goldmember. Like, you think he just talks like Goldmember? I love speed!

• 56:08Bill Simmons?

  We'll do a juuuuup! Um, they do two tries. The bus collapsed the first time. There's YouTube video of it. Yeah, the, the bus lands and just like.

• 56:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they were like, it would be basically. Like the submersible, you know, it's like, wow.

• 56:24Bill Simmons?

  And then the second one was two days later. It went further than they thought and there was a camera where the bus was supposed to go right into the camera. But the bus went further and destroyed the camera, so they had to use the side shot. But that fucking crazy Dutch Jan had this like awesome bus coming at the camera. Camera's gone.

• 56:45Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible.

• 56:45Bill Simmons?

  So anyway, uh, I think that became the most famous part of this movie, though. The most discussed.

• 56:51Sean Fennessey?

  I agree.

• 56:54Chris Ryan?

  It's such a great in the theater or rewatching moment if you forget it a little bit where you're like, like, they're like, there's a gap in the road ahead and you're like, what the fuck?

• 57:04Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 57:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:05Bill Simmons?

  How are we gonna get out of this one?

• 57:06Speaker 04

  They didn't finish the highway.

• 57:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the chopper shot of, you see the gap, yeah.

• 57:10Bill Simmons?

  Same thing for when they do the turn, when they're getting the highway ramp and it's like, we're not gonna make it. And he's like, everybody get on the, this side of the bus. It's like, fucking smart.

• 57:18Chris Ryan?

  It's great, cause it's Annie who's like, we're not gonna make it. He's like, shit, we're not gonna make it.

• 57:22Sean Fennessey?

  I will say, if there was a gap in the road in Los Angeles, everyone would know about it because that highway would be shut down for a period of time. So you, that would be common knowledge amongst Angelinos.

• 57:32Chris Ryan?

  They're making the 105-110 interchange at this, is this like the beginning of the 105? Okay.

• 57:38Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Jack on the pulley thing going under the bus when Joe Morton says, don't get dead.

• 57:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Bill Simmons?

  Um, does the gas screw move and, uh, I just think he dies. This is, there's some movie magic with this one, too. I think Jack under the bus is just gonna, it's just gonna not work. When that bus is like bouncing.

• 57:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 57:59Bill Simmons?

  I don't think he makes it, but it's fine because I believe in Jack.

• 58:02Sean Fennessey?

  Like Indy under the truck.

• 58:03Chris Ryan?

  I would like to also know like how close they were, we were to losing Keanu Reeves during the shooting of this, this scene.

• 58:10Bill Simmons?

  Who insisted on doing all of his stuff.

• 58:12Chris Ryan?

  And who's like, I don't really understand how they're shooting it if it's not incredibly dangerous.

• 58:17Bill Simmons?

  It seems like he's going fast.

• 58:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:19Bill Simmons?

  Um, good Joe Morton, how many lives you got, man?

• 58:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Harry blowing up.

• 58:27Sean Fennessey?

  I love the way that scene is shot, though, where you see them surrounding the house and then they go inside.

• 58:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:33Sean Fennessey?

  Why do you think, though, I don't know if this is an answerable question or not, but why does Hopper's character put a bomb that has like a light and a timer? Like, obviously it's for the audience, but if you had a bomb in the house, wouldn't you just like press the button? You don't need to like indicate to the people.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  I thought it was motion censored.

• 58:49Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, is it motion censored?

• 58:51Speaker 04

  I thought it triggered.

• 58:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:52Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay, got it.

• 58:55Bill Simmons?

  Bus escape. Um, getting all the passengers off, but it's just them, it's just Jack and Annie. And then he figures out, we'll open that little hatch and we'll just zoom out from the bottom of the bus. Again, this is a 100 to 1 odds. You're pulling this one off.

• 59:12Chris Ryan?

  I don't know how long the runtime would be, but if, if, uh, they had just ended the movie with them kissing as, as the.

• 59:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we're probably fine.

• 59:22Chris Ryan?

  Are we better off as a country?

• 59:23Bill Simmons?

  It's a great 88 minutes.

• 59:24Sean Fennessey?

  132 or so thereabouts, yeah.

• 59:27Chris Ryan?

  Come on, dog. That would have been just good stuff. I know you have to go get Howard.

• 59:30Bill Simmons?

  Where do you guys stand on the, uh, giant plane blowing up in this scene?

• 59:34Chris Ryan?

  That's fucking, it was like.

• 59:36Bill Simmons?

  Were people in the plane?

• 59:37Sean Fennessey?

  Do you remember when we talked about?

• 59:39Bill Simmons?

  Was anyone?

• 59:39Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think anyone.

• 59:40Chris Ryan?

  The implication is that it's a freight plane being refueled.

• 59:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's being serviced.

• 59:44Chris Ryan?

  And the guy who is the refueling truck driver does run away.

• 59:47Sean Fennessey?

  It did remind me a lot of, do you remember when we did, um, Die Hard 2? And we were like, holy shit, they blew up that plane in Die Hard 2? Like, you could never do that in a movie ever again.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  300 people just get killed.

• 59:58Sean Fennessey?

  But like, and three years later, they just did it again in this movie?

• 1:00:01Bill Simmons?

  Relationships that start under intense circumstances never last.

• 1:00:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Bill Simmons?

  Great quote. Uh, Dennis Hopper dies. Yeah, but I'm taller.

• 1:00:11Sean Fennessey?

  I have some thoughts about that.

• 1:00:13Bill Simmons?

  Just quick sidebar. My favorite TV or movie decapitations ever. Here are my top four. Game of Thrones, Hereditary, Black Rain and Speed.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Got it!

• 1:00:24Bill Simmons?

  Four best ones.

• 1:00:26Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna go criteria orgasm here and say, uh, Kurosawa's Ron. Incredible decapitation.

• 1:00:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, blood spurt.

• 1:00:32Chris Ryan?

  Fucking waterfall of blood. Yeah.

• 1:00:35Bill Simmons?

  And the subway crash ending. Just true love from Keanu. He's like, you know what?

• 1:00:40Chris Ryan?

  If we're going down, we're going down together.

• 1:00:43Bill Simmons?

  If I can get out of this and we don't die, I'm definitely having sex with her tonight. I gotta roll the dice. I've been putting in foreplay for eight hours, seven hours, whatever. This is the, I, I just gotta do it. I gotta find out how this is.

• 1:00:56Chris Ryan?

  This is sort of a Z-Watt Neo thing, but when do you think Annie lights up after this movie? Like, what, at what point is she like, god damn it, I need a new part?

• 1:01:06Bill Simmons?

  By the way, why wasn't she lighting up when they, when they end up in downtown LA and she's like, I'm gonna take a little walk? Why wasn't that a smoke break?

• 1:01:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Bill Simmons?

  What are we doing?

• 1:01:13Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, on the bus, you could just be like, if I, I'm fuck, light them if you got them, you know, like.

• 1:01:18Bill Simmons?

  That would have been a way to get rid of Connor Roy.

• 1:01:20Sean Fennessey?

  Spending a lot of time on cigarettes here, guys.

• 1:01:22Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's made her, made her be more attractive. What was the most rewatchable scene?

• 1:01:26Chris Ryan?

  Um, controversially, I think it's, it's the elevator scene for me this time around. I rewatched like the mechanics of it and how they shot that.

• 1:01:36Bill Simmons?

  Just a deep cut.

• 1:01:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, I think.

• 1:01:38Bill Simmons?

  That's like you being like Nirvana.

• 1:01:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Bill Simmons?

  Smells Like Teen Spirit wasn't the best song in the album. It's actually this one.

• 1:01:43Chris Ryan?

  It, it's just, this time around, it was so fun to watch that and to think about how they did it.

• 1:01:49Bill Simmons?

  Sean?

• 1:01:51Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I think in the theater, the most euphoric moment was the bus jump and Joe Morton, you know, doing the fist pump. But rewatching the movie.

• 1:02:01Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I I really like them getting Sam off the bus and then Beth Grant getting blown up.

• 1:02:08Bill Simmons?

  I have Keanu getting on the bus initially.

• 1:02:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Bill Simmons?

  In that whole chase scene. And I underrated when Glenn Palmer drives into the water things. I've always kind of secretly wanted to do that.

• 1:02:21Sean Fennessey?

  Hit one of the water jugs?

• 1:02:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, just to see the the water fly up. Like, if you're ever gonna crash.

• 1:02:25Sean Fennessey?

  Would you wear a seatbelt for that? Bill Simmons, famed sports writer and podcaster tragically died last night after driving his car directly into a water tank on the 101.

• 1:02:35Chris Ryan?

  That should be the punishment for your fantasy league.

• 1:02:37Bill Simmons?

  Just drive into those things at 40 miles an hour.

• 1:02:39Chris Ryan?

  Drive 90 miles per hour.

• 1:02:40Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for most rewatchables?

• 1:02:41Chris Ryan?

  I think it's Jack under the bus for me, on the little sled.

• 1:02:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Chris Ryan?

  This is it means it's a good movie when we have four separate rewatchable scenes.

• 1:02:47Bill Simmons?

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• 1:03:33Bill Simmons?

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• 1:03:55Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:56Bill Simmons?

  Decapitation scenes.

• 1:03:58Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:58Bill Simmons?

  Just to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I think I'm now on a government watch list.

• 1:04:03Sean Fennessey?

  What'd you find?

• 1:04:05Bill Simmons?

  There were some other ones, but I thought I had the right for.

• 1:04:07Sean Fennessey?

  Faces of death, that come up?

• 1:04:09Chris Ryan?

  Did Chat GPT recommend Kurosawa's Ron?

• 1:04:12Bill Simmons?

  It did not.

• 1:04:12Chris Ryan?

  No, okay.

• 1:04:13Sean Fennessey?

  That's why you're here. Only you can do that.

• 1:04:15Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1994 thing about this movie? I'll give you five choices. Let me know if I missed anything.

• 1:04:20Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:04:21Bill Simmons?

  Starting a movie with three minutes of credits and graphics?

• 1:04:25Chris Ryan?

  It's it feels longer than that. Yeah, it feels longer than that.

• 1:04:27Bill Simmons?

  We just start with movies now, you know, like this is like this decade, we're off.

• 1:04:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:04:32Bill Simmons?

  This movie now, we're just in the elevator.

• 1:04:34Sean Fennessey?

  And yet somehow every movie now is 30 minutes longer than it was back when this movie came out.

• 1:04:39Bill Simmons?

  No cell phones, no social media, obviously. Young Keanu and young Sandra Bullock, like can't be, we've spent 35 years with these people at this point. Uh, no homeless people under the highway underpasses or in Pershing Square has to be mentioned. And then all this time we're spending on the LA freeways, but nobody makes an OJ joke. Is the most 1990.

• 1:05:01Chris Ryan?

  Is it shot before OJ?

• 1:05:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's shot in 93.

• 1:05:04Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:05:04Bill Simmons?

  I just feel like if this movie's a year later, there's three OJ jokes. Like Connor Roy's saying, ah, I think I just saw the white Bronco.

• 1:05:16Bill Simmons?

  Or.

• 1:05:16Sean Fennessey?

  Alan Rock?

• 1:05:17Bill Simmons?

  And he's like, maybe I should, maybe we should have gotten Al Cowling's to drive the bus. Like, we just would have.

• 1:05:22Sean Fennessey?

  Nice.

• 1:05:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they would have been very self referential about it. They're just not. What did you have? Anything else?

• 1:05:26Chris Ryan?

  One, uh, the nickname for the 1993 Arizona Wildcats defense was Desert Swarm.

• 1:05:32Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:32Chris Ryan?

  Featuring Teddy Bruski.

• 1:05:34Bill Simmons?

  You know, I researched this because it felt weird that he went with Arizona football and that Arizona basketball.

• 1:05:41Chris Ryan?

  They were like 10 and 2.

• 1:05:42Bill Simmons?

  10 and 2 in 93.

• 1:05:43Chris Ryan?

  Pretty good.

• 1:05:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Sean Fennessey?

  But Lou Dawson was there by 93, right?

• 1:05:47Bill Simmons?

  And Arizona had made the final four in like 88.

• 1:05:50Chris Ryan?

  Isn't Sean Elliott like?

• 1:05:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:51Chris Ryan?

  Already in the NBA?

• 1:05:52Sean Fennessey?

  It is the time when that is really starting to happen, right? 94?

• 1:05:56Bill Simmons?

  Football team is going though.

• 1:05:58Sean Fennessey?

  I have, I have one more.

• 1:05:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Sean Fennessey?

  Just not thinking about being surveilled at all is kind of, I, I, you could say that age the worst, but I like that the best where it doesn't even occur to Jack that there might be a camera in the bus that is keeping an eye on him. Cause we're, it's a time when you don't, you know, you don't just like get a speeding ticket by from a, from a camera on a, on a flashlight, on a traffic light.

• 1:06:23Bill Simmons?

  What'd you have for Floyd Gondoli's butter on my ass lollipop's in my mouth or something you just enjoy?

• 1:06:27Sean Fennessey?

  I have two, okay. One is, um, anytime a high concept movie has a ticking clock convention. So like, there are a lot of movies in the 90s that are riffing on this. We already mentioned phone booth. Um, Nick of Time is like this. Panic Room is like this. Captain Phillips is kind of like this where you're like stuck in a place and there's a certain amount of time before something goes by. But the thing I really like that is really simple is the way that Keanu holds a handgun with two hands and like pivots and turns the way that a police officer always does. And he has been using this move in the Wick movies, and this is where he learned to do it. It's not Point Break. It's in this movie. When he goes down into the subway and he's looking for Hopper, great shit.

• 1:07:05Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 1:07:06Chris Ryan?

  For Gondoli?

• 1:07:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:07Chris Ryan?

  Uh, the Hans Zimmer JV soundtrack of dun dun dun dun dun dun. It's like you could put that over.

• 1:07:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:15Chris Ryan?

  Playing a video game, making like a hamburger, you will feel epic if you're doing it.

• 1:07:19Bill Simmons?

  I think that should be the new rewatchables theme song.

• 1:07:22Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:22Bill Simmons?

  Anytime we do an action.

• 1:07:23Chris Ryan?

  My wife and I have been all week, we've just been like randomly been like dun dun dun dun dun dun.

• 1:07:28Sean Fennessey?

  You want to license Mark Mancina's score from Speed for the theme song?

• 1:07:31Bill Simmons?

  I'll just ask Mark later.

• 1:07:32Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:07:33Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:07:33Bill Simmons?

  See what he's doing. I have two as well. Um, anytime we have to repeatedly cut to something like the speed limit here.

• 1:07:42Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:42Bill Simmons?

  Where it's like, oh, we're at 52. Oh, we're back up to 55. Uh oh, we're dropping down to 51 again. And it's just like the easiest to keep you locked in on the tension of the movie. You could just do it forever. But my number one is the, uh, the crew of super annoying people waiting to be saved that I'm supposed to be rooting for. But an hour in the movie, I'm like, fuck these people.

• 1:08:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Bill Simmons?

  Like the, the lady who ends up dying, Connor Roy.

• 1:08:09Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:08:09Bill Simmons?

  The fucking criminal. Like half of these people, the, the one that figured this out the best is a movie we'll do at some point on the rewatchables, probably in when we're in the 700s. Um, Daylight with Sly Stallone.

• 1:08:21Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:08:22Bill Simmons?

  Where he's trapped in this tunnel. He, he breaks into the tunnel to save everybody and they're so fucking annoying. They're like giving him shit the moment he shows up and you just want everyone to die. And I like when they do this.

• 1:08:34Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, isn't Paul Guilfoyle in Air Force One like this, right? Where he's like the Secretary of State, but he's the most annoying guy of all time.

• 1:08:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Who does, uh, Rebhorn play? Is it, is the, he's like a secretary or something in Independence Day?

• 1:08:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:08:48Chris Ryan?

  Where he keeps trying to get him to nuke Atlanta?

• 1:08:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:08:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. What's age the best? We mentioned young Sandy and young crew cut Keanu. The, the Clooney Keanu haircut?

• 1:08:57Chris Ryan?

  The buzz.

• 1:08:57Bill Simmons?

  That whole, the, the buzz, Clooney did it for ER where he kind of pushed it forward, but that had a moment. I tried it out. Uh, mentioned the score. Incredible gum chewing Keanu performance in this movie. Gum chewing is like a character to kind of figure out what's going on with him. Um, Bullock learned to drive the bus. Passed in another thing. Didn't actually have a cigarette puff, but did drive the bus. Um.

• 1:09:25Chris Ryan?

  Probably one of those days to be like, man, it's so fun to be an actor. I just get to like go practice driving a giant bus.

• 1:09:30Sean Fennessey?

  I read that she passed on her first try.

• 1:09:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Hopper's quote, poor people are crazy, Jack, I'm eccentric.

• 1:09:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's coming up later for me.

• 1:09:38Bill Simmons?

  Yes. Jack's Ford Bronco 1970. How about a former cop with a grudge? Has that ever not worked in a movie?

• 1:09:46Chris Ryan?

  I mean, specifically a former bomb squad cop who's got his, got his hand taken off or lost a digit.

• 1:09:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Former blank with a grudge? That work for podcasters?

• 1:09:55Chris Ryan?

  Uh.

• 1:09:56Bill Simmons?

  It's a former failed podcaster with a grudge.

• 1:09:58Sean Fennessey?

  Gotta treat CR nicely. You don't want to find out.

• 1:10:02Sean Fennessey?

  Careful with his Sixer season.

• 1:10:03Chris Ryan?

  Stop trying to trade him beat on me.

• 1:10:05Bill Simmons?

  CR's furious about the watch 20 years later. Um, oh, like, oh, it was this watch. Uh, this is my favorite, I think. The criminal who shoots Sam

• 1:10:17Bill Simmons?

  and is handcuffed to the bus, but then they unhandcuff him. By the end, he's just part of the team.

• 1:10:21Chris Ryan?

  He's like, all right, I mean, just shoot him.

• 1:10:23Bill Simmons?

  Are there charges? Like he shot somebody?

• 1:10:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Bill Simmons?

  Or is the police waiting for him? We just throw away everything? What happens?

• 1:10:29Chris Ryan?

  Also, like, what did he do? You know?

• 1:10:32Bill Simmons?

  Standard get off just as using that as a what's age the best going forward with pop, uh,

• 1:10:40Bill Simmons?

  what pop quiz hotshot?

• 1:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Bill Simmons?

  Blank for a second. Those two things moved into the lexicon for a while.

• 1:10:45Sean Fennessey?

  Pop quiz hotshot had a 20 year run.

• 1:10:48Bill Simmons?

  It was crazy.

• 1:10:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. All the stuff about Reeves being, uh, performing his own stunts, Keanu.

• 1:10:54Sean Fennessey?

  The bomb's at 90%.

• 1:10:55Bill Simmons?

  The Jaguar to the bus jump. Um, I never know what's apocryphal and what's not with some of this stuff, but it really did seem like he did most of this.

• 1:11:03Chris Ryan?

  How, I, I was gonna ask this impossibly unanswerable questions, but how fast do you think the traffic was actually moving? So if the bus is going 50, like, did you think, does it actually go in like 35 or 30? Like, how fast do you think Keanu was going in that Jaguar?

• 1:11:20Chris Ryan?

  It looks like he's going 75.

• 1:11:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it feels like at least 60.

• 1:11:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know how you could actually do that at that speed with the actual actor. I mean, he's the star of the movie. It had to be slower than that.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's why I always wonder as the years pass, like, yeah, he did all his stunts. He could kind of just say anything. I do do all my research for the rewatchables myself.

• 1:11:42Sean Fennessey?

  You do?

• 1:11:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:43Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:11:43Bill Simmons?

  I do.

• 1:11:44Sean Fennessey?

  It shows.

• 1:11:45Bill Simmons?

  Thanks. It shows. Bill does all his research.

• 1:11:49Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think, so Keanu, I think, is one of the only actors of all time to have a legitimately great action movie in four consecutive decades.

• 1:11:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:59Sean Fennessey?

  I think Eastwood is probably in the mix there. I couldn't really think of anybody else.

• 1:12:04Bill Simmons?

  Ford.

• 1:12:05Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe Harrison Ford. Yeah, Harrison Ford.

• 1:12:06Bill Simmons?

  It's like how Charlize Theron has looked fucking smoking hot in a movie for four straight decades. Same thing.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  Cause what, Cruise doesn't have an eighties one?

• 1:12:15Bill Simmons?

  I mean, Top Gun is kind of an action movie.

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  Oh, Top Gun. Yeah.

• 1:12:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Bill Simmons?

  Cruise doesn't count.

• 1:12:19Sean Fennessey?

  Cruise is on the list.

• 1:12:20Bill Simmons?

  I'm not sure Cruise is alive. What are you doing? Cruise, Cruise might just not be, he, he might be.

• 1:12:27Sean Fennessey?

  Did you get a hard no from Cruise? Are you zagging on Cruise?

• 1:12:30Bill Simmons?

  Anything.

• 1:12:31Chris Ryan?

  This would be an interesting zag from you is just like, I'm out on Cruise. In 2026. Yeah.

• 1:12:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, fuck him. I don't want him.

• 1:12:41Chris Ryan?

  I want Jesse Plemons to come on for Digger. How about that?

• 1:12:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think, I believe a lot of the, the, the Keanu stunt stuff, cause the John Wick guys are like, we have to drag him kicking and screaming to do it with stunt guys.

• 1:12:55Chris Ryan?

  Well, it's also like, he's like, I have chronic back problems from all the fucking times I've fallen off of things. Yeah.

• 1:13:01Bill Simmons?

  I have two more really good ones, but what do you have for What's Age the Best?

• 1:13:04Sean Fennessey?

  I already mentioned the pre-CGI era of action filmmaking and it's just incredible.

• 1:13:08Chris Ryan?

  The, uh, there is a shot of, um, when Jack and Harry go up on the roof of the skyscraper to attach the elevator to the crane.

• 1:13:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Chris Ryan?

  And there's a shot of downtown Los Angeles and you're like, they are on top of a fucking skyscraper. Like this is really happening. And it's that kind of verisimilitude or like that feeling of heightened reality that I think movies sometimes miss now. So that's kind of aged the best for me. Also, basically, people in Venice dress like Jack and Annie now. Um, which is just like, cool work pants, t-shirt, probably costs like $500. And then her socks are back in, actually, I think, both really ankle socks.

• 1:13:44Sean Fennessey?

  If I could pull off Jack's haircut, I would do it in a heartbeat. That's the most manageable haircut in the universe. It's like half of a Caesar.

• 1:13:51Chris Ryan?

  Do it. Cut your hair off.

• 1:13:53Bill Simmons?

  I should.

• 1:13:54Sean Fennessey?

  You'd like that, wouldn't you?

• 1:13:55Chris Ryan?

  No, I just think it would be cool. I want to see you go for like, I want you to go blonde for like the Knicks season or some, something crazy.

• 1:14:01Sean Fennessey?

  Always wanted to. Platinum?

• 1:14:03Bill Simmons?

  I liked.

• 1:14:03Chris Ryan?

  Jeremy Sohan style.

• 1:14:04Bill Simmons?

  Sean's second year at Grantland when he had like the weird beard.

• 1:14:07Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:07Bill Simmons?

  That's fun.

• 1:14:08Chris Ryan?

  Every once in a while I'll beard up. It's pretty cool.

• 1:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's all white now, though.

• 1:14:13Bill Simmons?

  For the What's Age the Best on cranes?

• 1:14:15Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:15Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's been an action movie thing before where they tie something to like a crane or something, but then the thing, the bolt comes out.

• 1:14:23Sean Fennessey?

  I love when it, when it bends.

• 1:14:24Bill Simmons?

  And it starts, and it starts bending or they, and it's always, it always works.

• 1:14:27Sean Fennessey?

  The sound design when it bends is just like, ooh, that's not good.

• 1:14:30Chris Ryan?

  Also just like, it's gonna hold. It's gotta hold, you know?

• 1:14:34Bill Simmons?

  All right. My two favorite What's Age the Best. Alan Ruck being in this movie, maybe, now this whole new appreciation post succession of you're watching it, just pretending it's Connor Roy, like it's a young Connor Roy, taking the bus for some reason, and then breaking the phone out and being like, the con heads would really love this footage here on the bus. Just doing Connor Roy lines. That's one.

• 1:14:56Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, he was Cameron when we saw this movie, you know, that's, he was, he was.

• 1:15:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was actually like, oh my God, Cameron, he's alive.

• 1:15:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:15:03Bill Simmons?

  Um, but the What's Age the Best for me, there's some iconic Keanu line delivers in this movie. Reach out and take my hand.

• 1:15:15Bill Simmons?

  I'm not here for you. Let's not do this. Uh, and then when she hits the cart, cons.

• 1:15:25Chris Ryan?

  Why do you think he's Arnold Schwarzenegger?

• 1:15:28Bill Simmons?

  He, he just start, he, he stopped saying Rs and does this weird, I don't know what it is. And then, Harry, tell me some good news, man. Those are my four favorites. Is that a bad Keanu?

• 1:15:42Chris Ryan?

  I don't know. Now I can't unhear it, you know, like now I'm gonna go back and watch this.

• 1:15:46Bill Simmons?

  Reach out and take my hand.

• 1:15:49Sean Fennessey?

  So this is actually my weak link of the film is all of Keanu's punchlines in the movie where he's being given all of these Arnold lines.

• 1:15:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I feel like they probably even dialed him back.

• 1:15:59Sean Fennessey?

  And he's like, but I'm taller. And it's like, what?

• 1:16:02Bill Simmons?

  You had to do it though.

• 1:16:03Sean Fennessey?

  What is that even?

• 1:16:03Chris Ryan?

  By like an inch maybe?

• 1:16:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you had to do that in the nineties.

• 1:16:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, or when he's like, didn't have anywhere to be just then, you know, like he's, or he's like, he lost his head. You know, those are all commando lines.

• 1:16:15Bill Simmons?

  What was the elevator one where it's like the only, the only thing that could stop this thing is like the basement?

• 1:16:20Sean Fennessey?

  The basement, yeah.

• 1:16:22Bill Simmons?

  I like it.

• 1:16:24Speaker 04

  Can I add a What's Age the Best?

• 1:16:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  I think that the premise in the bus would be exactly the same in 2026. Like, I think it's just still the same situation would happen.

• 1:16:35Bill Simmons?

  I think they would have to use 30 miles an hour though.

• 1:16:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the traffic anywhere in Los Angeles would necessitate it. It would just, the bus would explode.

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  But like bomb under the bus, how do we stop it if it can't go below 50 miles an hour? I'm like, I'm not sure modern technology could do anything about that. I think it's the same.

• 1:16:48Chris Ryan?

  Howard makes things too complicated. Howard should even do below 50, the bomb, the bus goes up, or if anybody tries to get off, the bus goes up. But like making it both things, I would almost, if I was him, be like, you know what, for entertainment's sake, if you can get people off this thing going 50 miles per hour, more power to you.

• 1:17:04Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:17:05Sean Fennessey?

  I won't blow it up.

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  Or it's like, I'll let you, one person an hour you can let off. How do you decide?

• 1:17:09Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:17:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think Howard, I think Howard was fucking insane. So I'm not sure that that was really in play.

• 1:17:15Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for great check order?

• 1:17:16Chris Ryan?

  Uh, so the, I talked about the door scene, the car door.

• 1:17:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Chris Ryan?

  But there is a shot when Jack comes out of the coffee shop, puts his coffee on the hood of his car, on the roof of his car, camera pans around Jack, bus explodes. What the fuck? How many buses do they have? Like, like, it's also, it's not like shot of Jack, explosion in the background, cut, sees, it's, it's, the bus explodes in the background of a shot. And I also happen to love when the payphone is ringing, all of the flames are reflected in the payphone and it's like, ah, man, Howard's on the phone. But the bus exploding is incredible.

• 1:17:55Sean Fennessey?

  There's two that I really like that are somewhat similar, but they're, they show you the scope of the production similar to what Chris is describing. One is just when it becomes clear that they have the police escort and it's just like, it's a low helicopter shot and you just see the cop cars run, riding alongside the bus. And it's like a moment of calm because like they've at least figured out, okay, we've blocked off the highways and this is going to be okay for a minute. And then the other one is just the bus going into the fucking jet and then it explodes. I remember being in the theater and be like, what the fuck?

• 1:18:24Sean Fennessey?

  That's crazy that they did that.

• 1:18:26Chris Ryan?

  How did this movie cost $30 million?

• 1:18:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I would have thought that would have cost $30 million.

• 1:18:30Sean Fennessey?

  How did they do it? How did they blow up the jet?

• 1:18:32Bill Simmons?

  Must've been like a broken jet. I don't know. I had a, I like when Jack and Annie are the only two left in the bus and everybody else gets off and they do that shot of the other bus with all the passengers. It's kind of going away and they're all in the window kind of watching them.

• 1:18:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:48Bill Simmons?

  Effective.

• 1:18:49Sean Fennessey?

  That's good.

• 1:18:49Bill Simmons?

  Where it's like, yeah, we don't know what's gonna happen. Uh, chess Rockwell Brock Laners Award best character name, Sam the Bus Driver.

• 1:18:56Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. Officer Jack Trayven and Detective Harry Temple is, we can't do better in the nineties.

• 1:19:02Bill Simmons?

  Jack Tray, did Keanu seem like a Jack Trayven?

• 1:19:04Chris Ryan?

  It's a perfect cop name.

• 1:19:06Bill Simmons?

  Does he seem like a Jack Trayven?

• 1:19:07Sean Fennessey?

  No, he, he does to me. What's his name in Point Break?

• 1:19:12Chris Ryan?

  Johnny Utah.

• 1:19:12Sean Fennessey?

  Johnny Utah, yeah. He's always got the very short names. John Wick, Johnny Utah, Jack Trayven. They're all riffs on John.

• 1:19:20Bill Simmons?

  Was there a better title for this movie? It was originally called Minimum Speed.

• 1:19:25Chris Ryan?

  Minimum Speed?

• 1:19:26Bill Simmons?

  Minimum Speed.

• 1:19:27Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking about this. What would you think if the movie was called Jack Trayven? And it was the first in a line of Jack Trayven movies?

• 1:19:33Chris Ryan?

  I think that they were hoping for that after the success of this movie.

• 1:19:36Bill Simmons?

  I'm zagging the other way. I, I'm gonna ask you guys the greatest title ever for an action movie. First Blood, Terminator, Die Hard, Cliffhanger, Face Off, Under Seizure, Speed.

• 1:19:50Sean Fennessey?

  I think Die Hard's pretty tough to top.

• 1:19:51Bill Simmons?

  Those are seven fucking bangers. Die Hard's the best though, right?

• 1:19:53Chris Ryan?

  Die Hard or Lethal Weapon.

• 1:19:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:55Sean Fennessey?

  Those are both good.

• 1:19:56Bill Simmons?

  The Terminator's a great title though.

• 1:19:57Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 1:19:59Bill Simmons?

  How about To Live and Die in L.A.?

• 1:20:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's a pretty good.

• 1:20:01Sean Fennessey?

  Good one.

• 1:20:01Bill Simmons?

  Um, but those are just great ones. I think Speed's a great title.

• 1:20:04Sean Fennessey?

  What if it was 50 miles per hour or 50 mph?

• 1:20:08Bill Simmons?

  Or 50?

• 1:20:10Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:20:11Chris Ryan?

  You can't drive parentheses lower than 50?

• 1:20:16Sean Fennessey?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:20:16Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for Flex?

• 1:20:18Chris Ryan?

  Uh, it's a book about medals award for the belatedly best quota exchange for, you're fucking crazy. No, poor people are crazy, Jack. I'm eccentric. Real Hopper. Also kind of, kind of funny that this bomb squad guy is like class consciousness. So yeah, I like that.

• 1:20:37Bill Simmons?

  Speaking of Hopper, Hans Gruber scale villain ranking?

• 1:20:39Chris Ryan?

  Pretty high.

• 1:20:41Sean Fennessey?

  Way up there for me.

• 1:20:42Bill Simmons?

  Eight and a half?

• 1:20:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:44Bill Simmons?

  Rickman's a 10?

• 1:20:46Chris Ryan?

  I think just by the fact that Howard is not physically imposing, maybe like a point or two down, but in terms of his.

• 1:20:51Bill Simmons?

  Eight and a half feels like the right number. What do we have for the Sean fantasy award for criteria orgasm?

• 1:20:57Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, name on the truck used by the terrorists in Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance is Pacific Courier. And the plane destroyed by the exploding bus in Speed has the logo Pacific Courier Freight. On its side, this is an in-joke by production designer Jackson Degovia.

• 1:21:13Chris Ryan?

  That's very funny. Wow.

• 1:21:16Bill Simmons?

  Butcher's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. It's the bus jump, but I, I don't, this movie has no weak links.

• 1:21:22Speaker 04

  Oh, really? You think that's a weak link in the movie?

• 1:21:23Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's just, I, I wish it was going up when they jump. It's just the physics of it. Every time you watch, you're like, all right.

• 1:21:30Chris Ryan?

  So, uh.

• 1:21:31Bill Simmons?

  I love the bus jump.

• 1:21:32Chris Ryan?

  In the original screenplay, I think, or at least I didn't read, read it, but the accounts of it are is that Harry is the villain, that, that the, the Jeff Daniels character.

• 1:21:41Bill Simmons?

  Had that in Unanswerables.

• 1:21:41Chris Ryan?

  And at the end of the movie, I think you can kind of feel like now we have, cause like the movie should kind of conclude with them getting off the bus and then they're like, shit, we have to go get Howard. And they can't just do Jack and Howard. So they bring Annie downtown, which is like a huge fucking like, what are you talking, why would you do that? So I just think that there, that the, the, the weak link is the need for an additional 25 minutes to like, settle this movie because it was maybe written with a different villain in mind.

• 1:22:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:12Chris Ryan?

  So.

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think the first 90 minutes are like, perfect. The last 20 are good. Maybe not like amazing. Like I felt like Howard's whole speech about like, bombs need to go off. This is what bombs do. I was like, oh, this feels forced a little bit.

• 1:22:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I have some picking nits around that sequence as well.

• 1:22:29Bill Simmons?

  What's Age the Worst? Did you have a Butcher's Girlfriend weak link, Sean, or no?

• 1:22:34Sean Fennessey?

  I already mentioned Keanu's punchlines.

• 1:22:36Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:22:36Sean Fennessey?

  But I'm taller. Okay.

• 1:22:39Bill Simmons?

  Give me your hand.

• 1:22:42Bill Simmons?

  What's Age the Worst? Uh, Dennis Hopper running?

• 1:22:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 1:22:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Bill Simmons?

  Not as bad as Nicholson running in The Departed, which I watched recently and forgot how fucking funny it was.

• 1:22:55Sean Fennessey?

  When does he run?

• 1:22:56Bill Simmons?

  He runs at the end when they, when they have the SWAT thing.

• 1:22:59Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:22:59Bill Simmons?

  Nicholson's like, has no vertebrae.

• 1:23:04Bill Simmons?

  I have a couple more, but what would you have for this?

• 1:23:06Chris Ryan?

  Dennis Hopper watching college football on a weekday?

• 1:23:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, in the morning.

• 1:23:09Chris Ryan?

  It's like, come on, just ask the sports czar. Could have just cleaned that up for you.

• 1:23:13Bill Simmons?

  I had that in pick and it's.

• 1:23:14Chris Ryan?

  Like, is he watching highlights? Cause he goes like, yeah.

• 1:23:16Bill Simmons?

  Watching game.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  He's like, sounds like he's gambling.

• 1:23:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, so he's, he's gambling on taped delayed college football.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  Go, go!

• 1:23:22Bill Simmons?

  When do we think this movie happens?

• 1:23:24Chris Ryan?

  Uh, it was shot in late summer to December, right?

• 1:23:27Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, what time of year?

• 1:23:28Chris Ryan?

  I think it happens in.

• 1:23:29Sean Fennessey?

  Like the fall?

• 1:23:30Chris Ryan?

  In early fall.

• 1:23:32Bill Simmons?

  So it's gotta be October.

• 1:23:33Chris Ryan?

  Keanu's got the Baja on when he's.

• 1:23:34Bill Simmons?

  But it's, it's not on the weekend because they're going to work.

• 1:23:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Bill Simmons?

  So it would have to be a Friday college football game that starts at noon?

• 1:23:44Chris Ryan?

  PST?

• 1:23:46Sean Fennessey?

  Not likely.

• 1:23:47Bill Simmons?

  Sports czar could have helped out on this.

• 1:23:48Chris Ryan?

  In 93, was there a college football game happening at 3 o'clock?

• 1:23:51Bill Simmons?

  Sports czar would have helped out on this.

• 1:23:52Chris Ryan?

  Is he watching Mac football?

• 1:23:53Bill Simmons?

  Again, he should have been watching Premier League.

• 1:23:54Sean Fennessey?

  You know, Howard's, Howard is a fruitcake, you know, he's just a nut bar. So who knows what's going on?

• 1:24:00Bill Simmons?

  I text you the guy this. I, I have a counter. It seemed like a pretty good hang.

• 1:24:05Chris Ryan?

  Howard?

• 1:24:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like gambling.

• 1:24:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Bill Simmons?

  What, had, had, had an early TV setup?

• 1:24:11Chris Ryan?

  Like an ice cold Coke and a sex doll in his.

• 1:24:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  Is the whole soda thing just so there's that one scene where he pees?

• 1:24:17Chris Ryan?

  I think it's so that you also like see his busted hand in action.

• 1:24:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, also like, you know, he got maimed by his duties and didn't feel properly appreciated.

• 1:24:26Sean Fennessey?

  This is un, un, unanswerable, but is he deaf in one ear? Why does he keep holding the phone on the opposite side of his head? I know he's got his hand blown off on the other side, but why is, every time he holds the phone, he's holding it like this?

• 1:24:37Chris Ryan?

  JDB more into blowing up buses than he is being consistent with how injuries affect people over a long period of time. I think Harry's leg limp changes a couple of times.

• 1:24:45Sean Fennessey?

  It does, yeah.

• 1:24:46Bill Simmons?

  And then disappears when, by the time they do the SWAT team of the house, he's like vaulting over a window.

• 1:24:51Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of continuity errors in this movie.

• 1:24:55Bill Simmons?

  The stereotypical bus crew, Janine Garofalo has a really great half hour that she did in the mid 90s.

• 1:25:01Sean Fennessey?

  Remember this?

• 1:25:02Bill Simmons?

  Which is on HBO and she does a whole thing about speed, about how when they get on, it's the most stereotypical. And she's like, why didn't they just have an Eskimo and an Indian with a headdress? But it's like, they check every box of who's on the bus in the, in like the caricature-y kinda way.

• 1:25:19Sean Fennessey?

  Is that the same special where she's talking about how much she loves NYPD Blue? And she's like, the cops, they have their badges on the chain. And she's like, ah, fuck, that's so hot.

• 1:25:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great special.

• 1:25:29Bill Simmons?

  It's really good. I highly recommend it. Um, Speed 2 with Jason Patrick?

• 1:25:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I had that. Making a Speed movie without Keanu.

• 1:25:38Bill Simmons?

  Is one of the most reviled sequels of all time, and I think it really hurt Jason Patrick's career.

• 1:25:43Sean Fennessey?

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 1:25:44Bill Simmons?

  And Sandy was unscathed.

• 1:25:45Chris Ryan?

  I also hate the, the breakup story where it's like, oh, I broke up with Jack because he wouldn't leave the bomb squad. I'm like, Jack being in the bomb squad is why you're fucking here, baby. Like, what are you talking about?

• 1:25:58Bill Simmons?

  Baby.

• 1:25:59Sean Fennessey?

  Jack's agent?

• 1:26:02Bill Simmons?

  You know where you're getting to, baby.

• 1:26:05Chris Ryan?

  Exactly. When you signed up with me, baby, you were gonna have to share me with the bombers.

• 1:26:11Bill Simmons?

  I live my life like Speed 2 never happened.

• 1:26:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:14Bill Simmons?

  I have, I don't watch it.

• 1:26:15Chris Ryan?

  It's Defoe is the badass?

• 1:26:16Bill Simmons?

  It's like a really, really iconically bad Defoe performance.

• 1:26:19Chris Ryan?

  JDB directed it though, right?

• 1:26:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:26:21Bill Simmons?

  He had to.

• 1:26:25Bill Simmons?

  My last one from Wikipedia.

• 1:26:28Bill Simmons?

  The character of Annie was originally written as an African-American paramedic to justify her ability to drive the bus. The fuck does that mean?

• 1:26:36Chris Ryan?

  Keep going.

• 1:26:37Sean Fennessey?

  Because she knows how to drive a large vehicle.

• 1:26:40Bill Simmons?

  But why does, what does her being black or white matter?

• 1:26:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:26:44Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:26:44Chris Ryan?

  Get to the second part of this.

• 1:26:45Sean Fennessey?

  You woke down.

• 1:26:46Bill Simmons?

  That was gonna be Halle Berry?

• 1:26:47Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:26:47Bill Simmons?

  I just don't understand, like, why, why it was written that way?

• 1:26:51Sean Fennessey?

  I don't see color.

• 1:26:59Bill Simmons?

  I just thought it was weird.

• 1:27:01Sean Fennessey?

  That's good.

• 1:27:03Chris Ryan?

  Phil, his like favorite sub job or his black guy, white guy hanging out would be like, I don't know why, why does she have to be a black lady?

• 1:27:10Bill Simmons?

  Well, it leads to them trying to get Halle Berry for.

• 1:27:12Chris Ryan?

  She would have been good. She would have been fucking incredible if Halle Berry was in this movie.

• 1:27:15Bill Simmons?

  Also, this is 93, 94 Halle Berry.

• 1:27:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Bill Simmons?

  It's like two years after Boomerang. Uh, Ruffalo Hannah Ruben Partridge, overacting award, the crazy lady?

• 1:27:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Helen, yeah.

• 1:27:25Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for flex?

• 1:27:27Sean Fennessey?

  It was the same as Chris's, but he used it a different way. The Jesse Eisenberg, that's good. You should be proud of that right there. Don't worry if you don't make it any further award for best line reading, which is comes right before when Howard Payne says, "Do you know what a bomb is that doesn't explode? It's a cheap gold watch, buddy." Pretty good line.

• 1:27:43Bill Simmons?

  Eisenberg.

• 1:27:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:45Bill Simmons?

  He's on a heater.

• 1:27:47Sean Fennessey?

  Did the smart.

• 1:27:47Bill Simmons?

  I just saw a preview with the trailer where it's got the Julianne Moore.

• 1:27:51Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, the debut, yeah.

• 1:27:52Bill Simmons?

  Wrote and directed, but he also wrote the lyrics. I'm a little nervous.

• 1:27:55Sean Fennessey?

  Another person who's coming for Indy Navarrete's Oscars, Julianne Moore.

• 1:27:59Bill Simmons?

  She, she has one though.

• 1:28:00Sean Fennessey?

  She does for Still Alice, CR's favorite movie. Um.

• 1:28:04Bill Simmons?

  Still Alice is good.

• 1:28:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:06Bill Simmons?

  I like that and I like The Father with Topkins, my two favorite.

• 1:28:10Sean Fennessey?

  You like when people have Alzheimer's?

• 1:28:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:28:12Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. We should do Alzheimer's month on the rewatchables.

• 1:28:15Chris Ryan?

  Are there enough? Let me know. I'm gonna go to fucking London.

• 1:28:20Sean Fennessey?

  Still Alice rewatchables would go crazy. That's, that's really.

• 1:28:23Chris Ryan?

  Still Alice, drugstore cowboy.

• 1:28:26Sean Fennessey?

  No, my own private idol.

• 1:28:27Chris Ryan?

  My own private idol, yeah.

• 1:28:28Bill Simmons?

  People still, still talking about Fucked Up Family February.

• 1:28:32Sean Fennessey?

  That was a great month. I loved that month.

• 1:28:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Bill Simmons?

  I listened when I was in Hawaii, I listened to the first half hour of our Kramer versus Kramer podcast. Might've been the peak of the podcast.

• 1:28:42Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I can do better. I don't think I can do better.

• 1:28:44Chris Ryan?

  Was that Mal who was on that?

• 1:28:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:46Bill Simmons?

  No, yeah, me, Mal and Sean, just talking about divorce in profound ways. You just learn a lot about all of us.

• 1:28:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was a good one.

• 1:28:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:53Sean Fennessey?

  Like that.

• 1:28:55Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word?

• 1:29:00Chris Ryan?

  Uh.

• 1:29:01Bill Simmons?

  I have a doozy, so I'll go last.

• 1:29:03Chris Ryan?

  Okay. I wonder if a lot of really volatile moments between citizens and cops could be diffused if more cops would just say, "I don't know you, man. I don't care about your crime. Whatever you did, I'm sure that you're sorry. So it's cool now."

• 1:29:22Bill Simmons?

  Should've just tried it?

• 1:29:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, let's just see what happens.

• 1:29:25Sean Fennessey?

  Keanu doing, "So it's cool now." It does feel like he wrote his own lines.

• 1:29:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, "I'm putting down my gun to my badge. We're just two cool guys." What do you have, Sean?

• 1:29:36Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, this is the last truly great American action movie.

• 1:29:40Bill Simmons?

  And we moved into CGI.

• 1:29:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's no sci-fi, no superheroes, no fantasy elements, no secret societies, no mythology, pure action. You could make the case for Mission Impossible movies. You can make the case for The Rock. I might make the case for The Rock, which I love. You could make the case for Ambulance, you know, which is kind of a similar movie, the Michael Bay movie.

• 1:29:58Chris Ryan?

  You think Wick has too much mythology, even the first one?

• 1:30:00Sean Fennessey?

  I do. I just, the high table and all that stuff is way too much like.

• 1:30:03Bill Simmons?

  So I would offer you, um, a little movie I've seen 10,000 times called Taken. As one of the only ones that has kept the legacy.

• 1:30:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:13Bill Simmons?

  Didn't really need CGI.

• 1:30:15Chris Ryan?

  Matrix has too much.

• 1:30:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, too sci-fi.

• 1:30:17Bill Simmons?

  Taken moves nice, at a nice pace, which is why it's been such a great rewatchable.

• 1:30:21Sean Fennessey?

  I would listen to Bad Boys takes, Mission Impossible takes. I think those, that makes sense, but this movie feels like it stands on its own.

• 1:30:28Bill Simmons?

  I agree.

• 1:30:31Bill Simmons?

  Well, I'm going true hottest take, old school definition.

• 1:30:34Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:30:36Bill Simmons?

  They're better off just letting the bus blow up.

• 1:30:38Chris Ryan?

  Well, I think that.

• 1:30:39Bill Simmons?

  It's 18 lives. It causes $7 billion worth of damage. I don't know. It's a calculation.

• 1:30:45Chris Ryan?

  This is, this is shoot the hostage, take them out of the equation. So that would be.

• 1:30:49Bill Simmons?

  They set it up.

• 1:30:50Chris Ryan?

  Old Jack before he meets the Wildcat is maybe thinking, I'm like, you know, like, you know, what do I care? Or like, maybe we have to take these people.

• 1:30:58Sean Fennessey?

  Protect and serve.

• 1:30:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he has to protect and serve, but he's gotta protect and serve all of Los Angeles, not just a bus.

• 1:31:03Bill Simmons?

  How many billions of dollars of damage from this three hours of the bus?

• 1:31:07Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want you on the fucking bomb squad if that's your attitude.

• 1:31:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but I have like, I have incredible nerve.

• 1:31:14Chris Ryan?

  I don't get rattled.

• 1:31:15Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:31:16Chris Ryan?

  I don't.

• 1:31:17Sean Fennessey?

  Many people are saying, when are you in high octane in such a nervous situation?

• 1:31:20Bill Simmons?

  On the bomb squad. I think CR would be, I think he'd be good.

• 1:31:23Chris Ryan?

  I wouldn't know anything technical, but I think I'd, I'd keep everybody on level. I'd keep everybody happy.

• 1:31:28Sean Fennessey?

  We should do a narrative podcast series about Chris training to be on the bomb squad that ends with him dying trying to diffuse the bomb.

• 1:31:34Bill Simmons?

  You'd be good as a, as the guy asking what's, what do you see under there?

• 1:31:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:40Bill Simmons?

  Green, is there a green wire?

• 1:31:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Bill Simmons?

  Can you take that out without cutting the wire?

• 1:31:44Sean Fennessey?

  I would be good. Thank you. Appreciate it.

• 1:31:48Sean Fennessey?

  Who are you in this scenario, Joe Morton?

• 1:31:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I'm like, ah, you got nine lives, man!

• 1:31:56Bill Simmons?

  Casting whaddups are incredible for this movie, including um, Speed being under development at Paramount Pictures with Jeff Speakman.

• 1:32:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:02Bill Simmons?

  Attached as Jack. I can't name a single, do you know who Jeff Speakman is?

• 1:32:08Chris Ryan?

  Action star, right?

• 1:32:08Sean Fennessey?

  He was like a martial arts action star.

• 1:32:10Bill Simmons?

  He was like.

• 1:32:11Chris Ryan?

  The three guys who were.

• 1:32:13Sean Fennessey?

  Budget Steven Seagal.

• 1:32:15Bill Simmons?

  But like 99 cent store.

• 1:32:17Sean Fennessey?

  Or like Chuck Norris.

• 1:32:18Chris Ryan?

  The three people who are up for Jack tells you a lot about what their expectations for this movie was.

• 1:32:24Bill Simmons?

  Well, Steven Baldwin was one of them.

• 1:32:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and Richard Greco, right?

• 1:32:28Bill Simmons?

  Steven Baldwin was having a semi moment, like he's in Usual Suspects, people. Richard Greco, I don't, I can't for the life of me understand that one. He said he turned it down.

• 1:32:38Sean Fennessey?

  Coming off 21 Jump Street, basically.

• 1:32:39Bill Simmons?

  My favorite is when they have these stories, when you research them and it's like, it's the biggest regret of my career. It's like, I would fucking hope so, Richard Greco.

• 1:32:49Bill Simmons?

  Really? Really? Is he huge regret not being in this one?

• 1:32:53Sean Fennessey?

  That not doing summer stage.

• 1:32:57Bill Simmons?

  And they said, there's this urban legend thing about how they wrote the female role as like comic relief and it was gonna be Ellen DeGeneres and then everybody's like, that's not true, but it's funny. The Halle Berry thing is true. She said, uh, she stupidly said no, but when I read it, the bus didn't leave the parking lot. And then there's like a million people who are allegedly up for Annie. I don't know what to believe.

• 1:33:18Chris Ryan?

  I think they wrote, like in the movie, in the original script, I think the bus is just like driving around Dodger Stadium or something like that.

• 1:33:23Bill Simmons?

  And it's gonna crash into the Hollywood sign. Um, Craig T. Nelson offered the Joe Morton role, but was filming Coach, couldn't get out.

• 1:33:31Sean Fennessey?

  Too bad. You like Coach?

• 1:33:33Bill Simmons?

  Never liked Coach.

• 1:33:34Chris Ryan?

  Did you not like Coach or you just didn't watch it?

• 1:33:37Bill Simmons?

  I just thought it was bad.

• 1:33:38Sean Fennessey?

  I kinda liked it.

• 1:33:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah?

• 1:33:40Sean Fennessey?

  I watched it.

• 1:33:42Bill Simmons?

  Jack's sidekick Carrie was gonna be played by Ed Harris when he was gonna be evil and then they pivoted away.

• 1:33:48Sean Fennessey?

  That would've been good and then he gets to do that in The Rock.

• 1:33:51Bill Simmons?

  McTiernan said no.

• 1:33:52Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:33:53Bill Simmons?

  Rennie Harland said no. Our guy Tarantino said no because he was finishing Pulp Fiction. But has regrets.

• 1:33:59Sean Fennessey?

  McTiernan does, is it DH with a V and then Last Action Hero or vice versa?

• 1:34:06Chris Ryan?

  It's a.

• 1:34:08Bill Simmons?

  Last Action Hero, then DH with a V.

• 1:34:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cuz I think like DH with a V is almost like the makeup a little bit for Last Action Hero cuz it didn't perform as well, right?

• 1:34:16Sean Fennessey?

  I'm the world's number one Last Action Hero fan, however, I do think if you put McTiernan in the chair on this, it goes from like a 10 out of 10 to a 10.5 out of 10.

• 1:34:28Chris Ryan?

  Oh. What, what kinda cap, aside from his legal issues, like it was Medicine Man, right? That kinda capped his career, right?

• 1:34:34Sean Fennessey?

  No, like 13th Warrior and he made a Basic. He made a bunch of movies that didn't work in a row.

• 1:34:40Bill Simmons?

  Michael Bay wanted to direct, um, banged on the door and they, he had never directed anything and they were like, no, thanks, Michael Bay.

• 1:34:47Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's probably best that he didn't because I don't know that we would still have Los Angeles. Like he probably would've blown up for 10.

• 1:34:53Sean Fennessey?

  And Bad Boys is one year later.

• 1:34:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Bill Simmons?

  Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy is Joe Morton is not eligible in that.

• 1:34:59Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 1:35:00Bill Simmons?

  Is Glenn Plummer available?

• 1:35:03Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. I think so. He's coming off of Menace to Society and it's right before Showgirls, so he has like a hot run there.

• 1:35:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Sean Fennessey?

  Um, my pick was Hawthorne James who plays Sam because he is also the security guard in Seven, who turns the music up in the library when Morgan Freeman is researching Dante.

• 1:35:21Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:35:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's a good one.

• 1:35:22Chris Ryan?

  That's a great call. I had a David Kriegel, who's the guy on the bus with the like slightly longer hair, who's like, that's your plan? He was in Alive.

• 1:35:32Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow. He's one of the guys.

• 1:35:33Chris Ryan?

  He's one of the rugby players in Alive.

• 1:35:35Bill Simmons?

  I have the guy from Blood In, Blood Out, who's just amazing in this movie. The guy who's like Jack's helper.

• 1:35:40Sean Fennessey?

  The Gigantor.

• 1:35:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. That guy, home run, like easily could've spun him off into a second movie.

• 1:35:46Chris Ryan?

  And Fish, Fishler too, I guess.

• 1:35:47Sean Fennessey?

  And Fishler, of course, yeah.

• 1:35:48Bill Simmons?

  Loved him. Uh, Dionne Waiters Award, I think he's eligible for that as well. Glenn Plummer.

• 1:35:54Chris Ryan?

  Ruck?

• 1:35:56Bill Simmons?

  Ruck, who I think's pretty annoying.

• 1:35:58Sean Fennessey?

  I have Morton.

• 1:36:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think Morton's the answer. I do wanna shout out Sam, the bus driver, pre-shooting.

• 1:36:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:06Bill Simmons?

  Don't you start with me, Annie. He's doing a couple like just generic bus driver lads. I'll kick you off this bus right now.

• 1:36:14Sean Fennessey?

  He's, he's good.

• 1:36:15Bill Simmons?

  Recasting Couch Director City, I wouldn't touch it.

• 1:36:18Chris Ryan?

  Of course not.

• 1:36:20Sean Fennessey?

  Could you pull this movie off in New York City?

• 1:36:22Bill Simmons?

  I don't think the highway thing would work.

• 1:36:24Chris Ryan?

  Go up and down the FCR, right?

• 1:36:26Sean Fennessey?

  Or West Side Highway.

• 1:36:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:27Bill Simmons?

  I wanted to do a whole Boston thing, but we just don't have the highways in Boston.

• 1:36:31Chris Ryan?

  Store Drive.

• 1:36:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's just, wouldn't have worked.

• 1:36:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'm just trying to think of the action set piece of trying to get across, you know, the east side to the west side, 34th Street, and a bus bombing down a New York City street.

• 1:36:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, in some ways, McTiernan kinda plays with that a little bit with some of Die Hard with Vengeance, but yeah.

• 1:36:50Bill Simmons?

  Flex?

• 1:36:51Speaker 04

  Can I do two quick ones?

• 1:36:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Bill Simmons?

  Do, do as many as you want.

• 1:36:53Speaker 04

  I wanna bring back the old, we used to have an old category called like five word description of the movie.

• 1:36:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:58Speaker 04

  I think you can go down to three. I think it can be bus can't stop. And it, there's just a million questions that come from that.

• 1:37:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 04

  Why can't the bus stop? Who's in the bus? Who planned that? Like you could get in an elevator with one, like an executive in 1993 and you're like, bus can't stop.

• 1:37:12Chris Ryan?

  I think Die Hard on a Bus was the pitch and they were like, here's 30 million dollars.

• 1:37:16Bill Simmons?

  Say bomb on bus, same thing.

• 1:37:17Speaker 04

  Bomb on bus.

• 1:37:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:20Speaker 04

  I'm also gonna give Keanu Reeves the Tom Cruise Award for the most valiant attempt to emulate a normal human, when he goes, University of Arizona, good football team, Arizona Wildcats.

• 1:37:33Speaker 04

  And Sandra's like, yeah.

• 1:37:34Sean Fennessey?

  It's like the mug smashing in Usual Suspects, but he's the Kobayashi.

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  Arizona Wildcats.

• 1:37:40Sean Fennessey?

  Wildcats. It's like Sherlock Holmes.

• 1:37:43Bill Simmons?

  Wildcat. I used to sing in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

• 1:37:50Bill Simmons?

  Half Fetter Research, um, this was inspired by Runway Train, Runway Train, Die Hard and Silver Streak.

• 1:37:58Sean Fennessey?

  This ending is very similar to Silver Streak. The train derailing.

• 1:38:02Bill Simmons?

  Silver Streak was a huge deal and just has kinda died. I don't know if it's just not on.

• 1:38:06Chris Ryan?

  Is that Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor?

• 1:38:07Sean Fennessey?

  And Jill Clayberg.

• 1:38:08Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor were like the peak of comedy duos.

• 1:38:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they made four movies together.

• 1:38:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:17Bill Simmons?

  Josh Weeden, we mentioned, oh, here's a good one, CR. Jack is transported in Good Hugh Ambulance, the same ambulance service used in Heat.

• 1:38:29Chris Ryan?

  That they blow up.

• 1:38:30Bill Simmons?

  See that shit coming out of their ears, slick? They can't fucking hear. The prosthetic dummy head of Hopper was too realistic when he got beheaded and they had to use a different angle from it cuz it was too gross.

• 1:38:43Chris Ryan?

  This is really funny, you should mention that. Uh, there have been a couple of beheadings on House of the Dragon this season, and I feel like it's pretty obvious that they're using very fake looking decapitated heads because I bet, if, if you really let a makeup guy cook, he's like, I can get you a pretty good looking head.

• 1:39:01Sean Fennessey?

  I just saw From Dust Till Dawn at the Academy Museum and there's a bunch of decapitated heads in that movie and they all look amazing cuz it's the best makeup crew of all time on that movie.

• 1:39:09Chris Ryan?

  I think they're taking a little bit off their fastball now.

• 1:39:12Bill Simmons?

  We peaked with Charlie, probably, and Hereditary.

• 1:39:17Sean Fennessey?

  So good.

• 1:39:19Bill Simmons?

  Just an incredibly bad performance by the brother. Brings Charlie to the party, doesn't make sure her food allergies aren't.

• 1:39:25Sean Fennessey?

  I'll reheareditary tomorrow.

• 1:39:28Chris Ryan?

  It's still the best podcast I've ever been a part of.

• 1:39:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's incredible. It's a great, great movie.

• 1:39:32Chris Ryan?

  Long Legs voice came from, yeah.

• 1:39:34Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:39:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:39:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:37Bill Simmons?

  Here's good research. Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock divulged secret crushes on each other during filming.

• 1:39:42Sean Fennessey?

  I bet they did.

• 1:39:43Bill Simmons?

  But didn't admit it until decades later on separate appearances of The Ellen DeGeneres Show.

• 1:39:47Sean Fennessey?

  I don't believe that for a second. They later appeared in The Lake House together?

• 1:39:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:53Sean Fennessey?

  Seen that one?

• 1:39:55Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say they climbed in the ring and went a couple rounds.

• 1:40:00Sean Fennessey?

  Climbed in the ring?

• 1:40:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the octagon.

• 1:40:02Bill Simmons?

  I think they laced them up.

• 1:40:05Sean Fennessey?

  When you go home today, you should say, Phoebe, you wanna climb in the ring?

• 1:40:09Bill Simmons?

  Cuz remember.

• 1:40:11Bill Simmons?

  They knew each other. They had a history. They had a history because River Phoenix was doing the, the music movie with her. Keanu definitely visited River Phoenix on this set at some point, so it was probably in the radar.

• 1:40:24Chris Ryan?

  Did he definitely do that or are you just making that up?

• 1:40:26Bill Simmons?

  This is best friend.

• 1:40:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:30Sean Fennessey?

  Is CR gonna come visit me when I go to New York next week, just to say hi?

• 1:40:33Chris Ryan?

  I'd love to, but I'm gonna be on a lake.

• 1:40:36Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, must be nice.

• 1:40:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:37Sean Fennessey?

  Like the lake house.

• 1:40:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like the lake house, yeah.

• 1:40:40Bill Simmons?

  Like the Fredo Lake?

• 1:40:47Sean Fennessey?

  Who do you think, if you had to hire somebody to take CR out on a canoe, on a, on his little lake, who'd it be?

• 1:40:53Bill Simmons?

  Craig. He'd never.

• 1:40:54Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Craig, yeah. I was gonna say DeBundo.

• 1:40:56Chris Ryan?

  Hey, buddy!

• 1:40:56Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like DeBundo would take him out, yeah.

• 1:41:00Bill Simmons?

  Oh, DeBundo would be a great one.

• 1:41:02Chris Ryan?

  So what would that have to be like, like, would I do?

• 1:41:04Bill Simmons?

  He'd know Austin Gale immediately.

• 1:41:05Chris Ryan?

  It would be like, yeah, this is fishing. Yeah.

• 1:41:10Chris Ryan?

  But my crime would be.

• 1:41:11Sean Fennessey?

  What are you doing here?

• 1:41:12Chris Ryan?

  What would my crime be? Like going on Pardon My Take without asking you and then, like, and then like I'm on vacation, yeah.

• 1:41:20Bill Simmons?

  Now, it might be, the crime would be just CR, the year of CR has gotten too big.

• 1:41:24Sean Fennessey?

  Too big, take him out, that's right.

• 1:41:26Chris Ryan?

  We gotta shoot him in the back of the head.

• 1:41:27Bill Simmons?

  LeBron going to Philly, the Eagles start out 11 and 0, like it just, this is too much.

• 1:41:31Chris Ryan?

  That'd be great for the Ringer's business, yeah. Just assassinate me.

• 1:41:35Sean Fennessey?

  I think the controversy would do wonders, you know? We'd definitely be on the Chyron on ESPN.

• 1:41:39Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:41:41Sean Fennessey?

  Was Chris Ryan assassinated by Bill Simmons?

• 1:41:43Bill Simmons?

  Stephen A. is like, that was my brother.

• 1:41:51Bill Simmons?

  I know this is a business and Bill Simmons had to make some tough decisions. But as a fellow Philadelphia legend.

• 1:41:59Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think you would be acknowledged by any figures in the Philadelphia sports world? Do you think like, like would Jalen Brown honor you with something on his jersey?

• 1:42:06Chris Ryan?

  I think the Sixers wear black armbands for an entire season. If I, if I got fucking killed by Craig Horlbeck.

• 1:42:18Chris Ryan?

  I think Vijay Edgecombe will go CR every time he fucking Tom Hanks.

• 1:42:23Bill Simmons?

  I was just thinking of the next couple of weeks.

• 1:42:32Bill Simmons?

  How bad we would be when people who were friends with CR.

• 1:42:37Bill Simmons?

  Like this fucking guy, this blogger.

• 1:42:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we would be screenshotting tweets.

• 1:42:41Bill Simmons?

  Going back and forth. Look at this guy.

• 1:42:44Sean Fennessey?

  What this guy doesn't understand is CR had to go down.

• 1:42:48Bill Simmons?

  CR hated this guy.

• 1:42:51Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, my God. Not gonna name any names.

• 1:42:55Bill Simmons?

  We're gonna take another break. Let's take another break.

• 1:42:58Chris Ryan?

  Brian Curtis writes, and now they tell us.

• 1:43:02Chris Ryan?

  Chris had a fucking crippling steroid addiction.

• 1:43:09Bill Simmons?

  All right, let's take a break.

• 1:43:12Speaker 05

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• 1:43:38Bill Simmons?

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• 1:45:10Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain.

• 1:45:11Sean Fennessey?

  What you guys don't know is Chris Ryan used to bet on cockfighting.

• 1:45:20Sean Fennessey?

  How come Edwin Diaz didn't go down for that? Did you notice that? You know, Edwin Diaz, they said he was part of the cockfighting.

• 1:45:25Chris Ryan?

  Fucking Mark Walters' umbrella of protection.

• 1:45:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's real. It's real.

• 1:45:30Bill Simmons?

  Conspiracy Bill's been following that very intensely.

• 1:45:33Chris Ryan?

  Conspiracy crisis all over it. The fucking, like, my insurance company is loaning me billions of dollars? Come on.

• 1:45:39Sean Fennessey?

  Philly's Fender doesn't want to see the Dodgers in the playoffs right there.

• 1:45:43Bill Simmons?

  Well, don't worry, this is our last year before we don't have baseball for about seven years. Like, enjoy it while you can. This is our last playoff.

• 1:45:51Sean Fennessey?

  I expect nine Mets to have been traded during the recording of this podcast.

• 1:45:55Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain, not for Cannon and Bullock. I think it is Apex Mountain for Die Hard ripoffs, even though it's demeaning to call this movie Die Hard ripoff. It kind of is.

• 1:46:03Sean Fennessey?

  I agree with you.

• 1:46:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:04Bill Simmons?

  LA freeways, I think it's OJ. Cops with a grudge?

• 1:46:09Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe this one for LA freeways. The chase in this one is, is up there with Speed.

• 1:46:14Bill Simmons?

  That's a good point. Cops with a grudge?

• 1:46:16Chris Ryan?

  I think there are other cops with a grudge that we could think of.

• 1:46:18Bill Simmons?

  Name one. Big Boy.

• 1:46:22Chris Ryan?

  I mean, does Popeye Doyle have a grudge? In French Connection? Not really.

• 1:46:29Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, my dad.

• 1:46:34Bill Simmons?

  LA buses?

• 1:46:35Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:46:36Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:46:38Bill Simmons?

  How about 1994 LA, just in general? Fucking crazy year to be here.

• 1:46:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:43Sean Fennessey?

  It is kind of weird that they made a movie where you're rooting for the LAPD like two years after the riots, though. A little weird.

• 1:46:49Chris Ryan?

  But the Bomb Squad, I think, is like a circumvention of that.

• 1:46:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:53Bill Simmons?

  I was trying to think of other stuff that was going on in LA this year in 94. I think The Real World, I think it was here.

• 1:47:01Chris Ryan?

  In Venice.

• 1:47:01Bill Simmons?

  Either in 93 or 94. 9020 and Melrose Place kicking. LA Law is happening.

• 1:47:10Bill Simmons?

  All the movies were still being shot here, and then you had Speed using all the parts of it and the OJ thing, which taught people like where Brentwood was, people like us that had no idea where anything was in LA.

• 1:47:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:22Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, I just felt like, felt like it was in the mix in a completely different way.

• 1:47:27Sean Fennessey?

  Was this kind of an irrelevant time for the Lakers?

• 1:47:29Bill Simmons?

  It was. It was post-Magic.

• 1:47:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:32Sean Fennessey?

  I remember that.

• 1:47:35Bill Simmons?

  Dennis Hopper, no, obviously. Jeff Daniels, I think 94 was Apex Mountain.

• 1:47:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, you're hearing Dumb and Dumber and Speed.

• 1:47:41Bill Simmons?

  This set up like the next 10 years.

• 1:47:42Chris Ryan?

  Did he win an Oscar for anything?

• 1:47:46Sean Fennessey?

  He won an Emmy for Newsroom. Newsroom, yeah. I think you could make the case Newsroom is his Apex Mountain. Even if that show wasn't good, he was the star of a massive HBO show created by Aaron Sorkin.

• 1:47:55Chris Ryan?

  10-minute monologues every episode.

• 1:47:57Bill Simmons?

  Movie characters named Annie? Because you could ask, go Annie from Misery.

• 1:48:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think Annie Hall is probably number one.

• 1:48:03Bill Simmons?

  Or you go Annie Hall, or you could go Annie, the musical Annie.

• 1:48:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:48:07Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what the answer is for that.

• 1:48:09Chris Ryan?

  Annie, get your gun.

• 1:48:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:12Bill Simmons?

  Easiest cruiser hanks of all time?

• 1:48:14Chris Ryan?

  Cruz.

• 1:48:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:16Chris Ryan?

  In fact, I wonder if Cruz is like, I could have done that shit. Like, do you think he watches?

• 1:48:20Bill Simmons?

  I think Cruz was furious when he saw this.

• 1:48:22Sean Fennessey?

  This is Interview with the Vampire year?

• 1:48:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he is furious.

• 1:48:25Chris Ryan?

  But when he sees Keanu fucking back surfing on that little piece of plywood.

• 1:48:29Sean Fennessey?

  I wonder if this pushed him to make Mission Impossible.

• 1:48:32Bill Simmons?

  He definitely was like, I can't believe I didn't get a call.

• 1:48:35Sean Fennessey?

  He's like, I need my Die Hard.

• 1:48:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:39Bill Simmons?

  I've been messing around with this new category for, because we have Cruiser Hanks, but actresses, depending on what the movie is. 1974 Goldie Hawn. 1984 Sharon Stone. 1994 Cameron Diaz or Sandra Bullock. 2005 Scarlett Johansson. And 2021 Sydney Sweeney.

• 1:49:03Chris Ryan?

  Can I get 26 Navarretti for this?

• 1:49:06Bill Simmons?

  Or 26 Navarretti?

• 1:49:08Chris Ryan?

  Is Annie?

• 1:49:08Sean Fennessey?

  What's the idea?

• 1:49:10Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 1:49:10Sean Fennessey?

  Like, what is the category?

• 1:49:11Bill Simmons?

  Who could have beaten Bullock?

• 1:49:13Sean Fennessey?

  Like, who would be better?

• 1:49:14Bill Simmons?

  This is why you're always asked the good follow-up.

• 1:49:16Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I don't know, like.

• 1:49:17Bill Simmons?

  I think Bullock wins. I think she beats anyone at any point in history for this role.

• 1:49:21Sean Fennessey?

  These are all great actresses and they're all hot, but like, what do Goldie Hawn and Sharon Stone have to do with each other?

• 1:49:26Bill Simmons?

  I think this would have been a great Goldie Hawn role.

• 1:49:28Sean Fennessey?

  I agree with that.

• 1:49:28Bill Simmons?

  That mid-'70s Goldie Hawn, like, I'm just a fun hang. I, I, I'm a little more talented at stuff than you're giving me credit for because you think I'm a ditzy blonde.

• 1:49:38Sean Fennessey?

  74 is like right after Sugarland Express.

• 1:49:41Bill Simmons?

  Right before shampoo.

• 1:49:42Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:49:46Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't change anything about Sandra Bullock.

• 1:49:50Bill Simmons?

  Me too. The Edie Falco and Coppelynn Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking? We'll never know, CR. She never lit up that dart.

• 1:49:59Chris Ryan?

  But she puts it out. She's just doesn't.

• 1:50:01Bill Simmons?

  She never has.

• 1:50:01Chris Ryan?

  We never see her take a drag.

• 1:50:02Bill Simmons?

  We never have her at the station.

• 1:50:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:04Bill Simmons?

  Not realizing the bus took off. Nobody did this for flex, the, the richest.

• 1:50:10Chris Ryan?

  Because it was in the regular categories this time.

• 1:50:12Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah, though. Oh, did I put it in there?

• 1:50:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:14Sean Fennessey?

  You did.

• 1:50:15Bill Simmons?

  The Rick, what is his name, Cassetti?

• 1:50:18Chris Ryan?

  Rick Chichetti, or did we say? I don't, this is your category and it's amazing.

• 1:50:22Bill Simmons?

  Listener category.

• 1:50:23Chris Ryan?

  Okay, Rick Sisetti Guard Meat Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential, but who probably has a spouse and kids who love him at home. It's obviously the elevator security guard in the first scene of the movie.

• 1:50:36Bill Simmons?

  I think there's three people.

• 1:50:37Chris Ryan?

  Who gets fucking ice picked in the ear.

• 1:50:39Sean Fennessey?

  The knife in the ear is insane.

• 1:50:40Bill Simmons?

  Poor elevator guy. Hey, do you have a pass?

• 1:50:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:44Sean Fennessey?

  You have a work order?

• 1:50:45Bill Simmons?

  The bus driver on the first bus, that guy's just going to work.

• 1:50:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:50Bill Simmons?

  And then.

• 1:50:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that guy is the, that same actor is the guy. I think he's the other, the detective from Ace Ventura, the police detective who's a bus driver.

• 1:50:58Bill Simmons?

  But the winner is the, the guy in the subway train, the subway conductor.

• 1:51:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:02Bill Simmons?

  Hopper shoots him like 13 times in the back and then laughs.

• 1:51:06Sean Fennessey?

  This is an unanswerable, but what's Hopper doing with that like chrome plated AK-47?

• 1:51:10Chris Ryan?

  Those guys, this, we are still in a full like post commando, like everybody seems to have an Uzi.

• 1:51:16Sean Fennessey?

  Crazy.

• 1:51:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Bill Simmons?

  Picking nits. Uh, Keanu answering the payphone mentioned, why didn't he shoot the tires before it got to 50? Just shoot the bus tires.

• 1:51:27Sean Fennessey?

  Great one.

• 1:51:27Bill Simmons?

  Spin it out.

• 1:51:28Sean Fennessey?

  Great. You can't, that's the best one.

• 1:51:30Bill Simmons?

  Um, being able to stay over 50 on the highway in Los Angeles for more than 10 seconds.

• 1:51:35Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:51:35Bill Simmons?

  I defy anyone to try this Monday through Friday.

• 1:51:38Chris Ryan?

  Stay above 50 while doing a hairpin turn.

• 1:51:41Sean Fennessey?

  Impossible.

• 1:51:41Chris Ryan?

  No way.

• 1:51:42Bill Simmons?

  Uh, college football on before nine AM PT during a work week. Keanu stabbing the gas tank. Um, and then has to hold on with a screwdriver as we go 55 miles an hour. Also stinks of gas for the rest of the movie, not mentioned again. And then, um, the gas tank just leaks out, but lasts 20 minutes? Isn't that thing that gas tank's done in 90 seconds? Harry gets shot in the leg and has a cane, but then he's fine. He's vaulting windows. An LA cop in the early 1990s putting his gun and badge down with a, with a suspect who's pointing a gun.

• 1:52:18Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:52:19Bill Simmons?

  That wasn't a great run for the LA cops here from 88 to 93. Um, the explosion, the old lady blows out the front tires of the bus, I think, and the bus crashes.

• 1:52:30Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm. Yes.

• 1:52:32Bill Simmons?

  It, it's an explosion, but nothing else happens to the bus, just a little walkway. And by the way, if he uses, if he blows out that thing again, can't they now get everyone else off the bus? He's already used the bomb. Um, in 1994, you could just take a bus, go through security in the airport and just drive around the runway. So could other people do this?

• 1:52:52Chris Ryan?

  Uh, but furthermore, why wasn't that like the first thing Joe Morton thought of? They're driving around out.

• 1:52:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Get to the fucking airport.

• 1:52:58Chris Ryan?

  He's like.

• 1:52:59Bill Simmons?

  The answer is always get to the airport.

• 1:53:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Go to the airport. We'll shut down LAX. Just drive around in circles.

• 1:53:03Sean Fennessey?

  I think they were very far from the airport at the beginning of the movie.

• 1:53:05Chris Ryan?

  Well, he's in Venice at the beginning of the movie, right?

• 1:53:08Sean Fennessey?

  That's where the bus starts?

• 1:53:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:09Sean Fennessey?

  That's where Andy gets picked up.

• 1:53:10Bill Simmons?

  It's going from Venice to downtown.

• 1:53:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, and then back.

• 1:53:13Chris Ryan?

  So I guess they are heading downtown, but like.

• 1:53:15Sean Fennessey?

  So they go down, they go from Venice to downtown and then back to the airport?

• 1:53:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. They get on the 105 and go back.

• 1:53:20Bill Simmons?

  And then go back downtown.

• 1:53:22Sean Fennessey?

  No way this, they'd be able to do that. Um, I, I feel like the, the biggest thing in that part, when they pull onto the, into the airport is the tire blows immediately when he, when she drives into the airport, cause she's going over the reverse.

• 1:53:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. How's the bus not going?

• 1:53:37Sean Fennessey?

  The bus should just like tip over. It's a bus. You can't have a blown tire in that situation. And it blows later in the movie.

• 1:53:42Bill Simmons?

  My answer for all these things at all times, every time I watch a highway chase on, uh, channel five, channel nine or channel 11, let's go to the fucking airport.

• 1:53:50Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 1:53:51Bill Simmons?

  The copters can't follow you to the airport. And if I'm trying to escape the police, you get to the airport, you get in a parking garage and then you just take off.

• 1:54:00Chris Ryan?

  And the whole thing with.

• 1:54:00Bill Simmons?

  That's what I'm gonna do.

• 1:54:01Chris Ryan?

  The choppers, the whole thing is just like freedom of speech stuff. Like why can't police helicopters be like, ground your helicopter. This is dangerous. We need, we need you out of the air.

• 1:54:11Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know the rules there.

• 1:54:12Chris Ryan?

  My biggest one is there's no way somebody as savvy as Harry is like, I'm gonna go to a serial bomber's house.

• 1:54:19Bill Simmons?

  Just waltz in.

• 1:54:20Chris Ryan?

  And go right in and not think that it's booby trapped. But this guy is conducting all of this from Sun Valley is highly unlikely.

• 1:54:27Bill Simmons?

  How do you feel about remote cameras working on a bus in 1994?

• 1:54:31Chris Ryan?

  I've seen a lot of.

• 1:54:31Bill Simmons?

  Really nicely.

• 1:54:32Chris Ryan?

  Grief about this online. I mean, it, I'm, I'm willing to go with it.

• 1:54:35Sean Fennessey?

  I like the tape loop trick that they play on him though. That's, that's a clever part of the movie. Um, I mean, there's some like broader stuff too. Maybe this is more unanswerable than a nit, but like, shouldn't they have just paid him? It's like, he's asking for $3 million.

• 1:54:46Chris Ryan?

  Were they every hour? Were they even planning on paying him?

• 1:54:49Sean Fennessey?

  But what, what do they, like, it's, it would be, it's, what Jack pulls off is a 99 out of 100 impossible thing to do. Just, he's asking for $3 million. Just pay the guy.

• 1:55:00Bill Simmons?

  Well, it costs $3.7 billion of damage at least by the end of it. Uh, and then, uh, airport to downtown in less than 30 minutes, middle of the day.

• 1:55:08Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:55:09Bill Simmons?

  No way.

• 1:55:10Chris Ryan?

  The collateral route.

• 1:55:10Bill Simmons?

  I don't care what year we're in unless it's 1944.

• 1:55:13Sean Fennessey?

  I'll be doing it tomorrow at 5:30 AM. It'll take 35 minutes.

• 1:55:17Speaker 04

  Uh, there was also, did you guys notice like at the end of the movie on the subway, when, when Howard's holding the bomb trigger? And he's like, you gotta keep your hand on this. And then she gives it to Annie. He's like, ah, you're too hysterical. Give it back to me. He's holding it. But then like 10 minutes later, he has two hands on an Uzi.

• 1:55:32Sean Fennessey?

  I totally agree. Where is it? Did he turn it off?

• 1:55:34Bill Simmons?

  No, he's, I look for this. He's holding it the whole time, but it's a little unrealistic.

• 1:55:39Sean Fennessey?

  But when he dies, what happens?

• 1:55:40Speaker 04

  He's fighting Keanu. Where's the bomb?

• 1:55:42Bill Simmons?

  But he's always holding the.

• 1:55:43Chris Ryan?

  But when he dies, what happens?

• 1:55:44Chris Ryan?

  Turn the safety on.

• 1:55:45Bill Simmons?

  Keanu takes it from him.

• 1:55:47Sean Fennessey?

  So he's holding it?

• 1:55:48Bill Simmons?

  Right as he's getting beheaded, he grabs it from him.

• 1:55:50Speaker 04

  I believe he's two handing the Uzi into the roof.

• 1:55:52Chris Ryan?

  There's also a lot of like, uh, like door closed, but then there's an explosion. And when it like, the door is open, like there's continuity, problems all over, like Keanu breaks the.

• 1:56:02Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, the biggest one by far is when he's fighting with Jack on top of the train. He doesn't have any paint on him. He's opened up the bag and he gets the paint all over him. And then when he's fighting him and he gets beheaded, he has no paint on him.

• 1:56:12Speaker 04

  Him being like, I got this. I'm gonna go fist fight a 30 year old cop with one hand.

• 1:56:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:18Speaker 04

  That's my final play.

• 1:56:19Bill Simmons?

  And somehow all of these.

• 1:56:20Speaker 04

  I'm not bringing the gun.

• 1:56:22Bill Simmons?

  All these nitpicks don't pass the bunch, don't, uh, pass the bus jump. That bus making it that far.

• 1:56:28Chris Ryan?

  None of them matter.

• 1:56:29Bill Simmons?

  And guess what? We've seen this movie so many times. The more nitpicks you have, that just means you've seen the movie more.

• 1:56:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, also just like the fact that it takes so long for Howard to get the news that the bus is blown up at the airport. Like the news would have been on that instantaneously, even if there are no copters there, that would have been reported. There would have been a cop on the phone with the news in a second.

• 1:56:46Bill Simmons?

  How many months do you think we would be forwarding tweets and tributes about the late CR to each other that enraged us that people died on that?

• 1:56:54Sean Fennessey?

  I have been making a list in my mind of the 20 people who would send disingenuous tweets trying to honor him as if they knew him. Like there's so many people who would be like, Chris and I once shared a beer in, in an alleyway.

• 1:57:06Bill Simmons?

  There wasn't a nicer, more genuine guy than Chris Ryan.

• 1:57:09Sean Fennessey?

  He just did it for the passion.

• 1:57:11Chris Ryan?

  Would you, who would trigger you? Would like JD Vance?

• 1:57:18Speaker 04

  You didn't know him, man. You know?

• 1:57:21Sean Fennessey?

  It'd be a lot of stolen valor from me and Bill.

• 1:57:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:24Sean Fennessey?

  Me and Bill Stan, me, Bill and Greenwald, we, we've been on team CR deeply, more profoundly than anybody. And that's why we have to kill you. We gotta get Andy in on this, this plot to get you killed.

• 1:57:36Bill Simmons?

  The bundo's our guy.

• 1:57:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:38Bill Simmons?

  He'll never suspect it.

• 1:57:40Sean Fennessey?

  Anthony, what are you doing here on this lake?

• 1:57:42Bill Simmons?

  I just want.

• 1:57:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's my vacation.

• 1:57:43Bill Simmons?

  Wanted to talk gambling. Uh, sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, uh, Black Cast or Untouchable. They did make a sequel.

• 1:57:53Chris Ryan?

  And it was bad. And can I just suggest what they could have done? It wouldn't have been as good.

• 1:57:56Bill Simmons?

  For Speed two?

• 1:57:58Chris Ryan?

  Just for, how about Bomb Squad?

• 1:58:01Sean Fennessey?

  I.

• 1:58:01Chris Ryan?

  Just a spinoff.

• 1:58:02Sean Fennessey?

  My idea was Howard Payne prequel, Bomb Squad in Atlanta.

• 1:58:06Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:58:06Chris Ryan?

  I would just watch a Joe Morton movie, like Joe Morton with two new guys who have replaced Harry and Jack. He's like, you got big shoes to fill, you know?

• 1:58:14Bill Simmons?

  I have an important question, but I can't ask it to the two of you cause your answer'd be yes.

• 1:58:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Craig?

• 1:58:20Bill Simmons?

  Craig, I think is a better litmus test, but his answer's probably also gonna be yes. They, when's the next big movie thing where they announce stuff? What would that be like?

• 1:58:29Sean Fennessey?

  An event?

• 1:58:30Chris Ryan?

  CinemaCon, you mean?

• 1:58:32Bill Simmons?

  What's the next one where they announce?

• 1:58:33Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not till next April, CinemaCon. Yeah. We just had Comic Con.

• 1:58:37Bill Simmons?

  Isn't there, isn't there a convention in September?

• 1:58:39Sean Fennessey?

  There's a New York Comic Con in September.

• 1:58:42Bill Simmons?

  What's, what's the film festival?

• 1:58:43Chris Ryan?

  Isn't there like, there's a Disney one? There's Telluride, there's, there's.

• 1:58:46Speaker 04

  D23 or whatever, the Disney thing?

• 1:58:49Sean Fennessey?

  Is that happening this year?

• 1:58:49Chris Ryan?

  In August?

• 1:58:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Okay. D23.

• 1:58:51Bill Simmons?

  Film, next film festival. They announced Speed three is happening and Keanu and Sandra Bullock have signed up.

• 1:58:58Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:58:59Bill Simmons?

  Is that immediate, I'm going? Is it like a Heat two situation? Or are you, or do you have fear?

• 1:59:04Chris Ryan?

  Are they bus passengers? Like what do, what do we?

• 1:59:06Bill Simmons?

  That's all we know is, is Speed three.

• 1:59:07Chris Ryan?

  I mean, I'm gonna go, I'll go see it. Is JDB involved?

• 1:59:11Bill Simmons?

  We don't know anything other than Speed three and Keanu.

• 1:59:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yonban is still alive, but he is 83 years old. Um, and he hasn't made a film in over 20 years. I.

• 1:59:18Bill Simmons?

  It's Yon Junior.

• 1:59:19Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm trying to think of who would, who would I actually be fired up? Like if it was Chris McQuarrie? Yeah, I would be, I would be down.

• 1:59:27Bill Simmons?

  What if Speed three was they actually end up with each other and they're married?

• 1:59:32Sean Fennessey?

  It's a domestic drama about their family?

• 1:59:34Bill Simmons?

  It's a little like the lake house. But, but, uh, something happens and now they're on peril again.

• 1:59:40Chris Ryan?

  You know what?

• 1:59:41Bill Simmons?

  It's like Howard Payne's son.

• 1:59:42Chris Ryan?

  Work with me here. They're married. They've gotten back together after Speed two. Now they're in their dotage. They're on a road trip. Cause the marriage is on the rocks. So they go on a road trip to try and save things. He gets on the highway, goes above 50, a little light goes on and then he gets a phone call.

• 1:59:58Bill Simmons?

  It's Howard Payne's son.

• 1:59:58Chris Ryan?

  Howard Payne's junior is like, you killed my dad.

• 2:00:02Bill Simmons?

  Now, now it's time for you.

• 2:00:03Chris Ryan?

  Now you and your wife can't slow your Tesla down to below 50.

• 2:00:07Speaker 04

  If the battery goes below.

• 2:00:09Chris Ryan?

  And if, and if the battery, yeah.

• 2:00:11Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 2:00:12Bill Simmons?

  They're driving to go to their daughter's wedding.

• 2:00:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's about, it's about an EV.

• 2:00:17Chris Ryan?

  EV.

• 2:00:17Bill Simmons?

  What if it's like father of the bride crossed with speed?

• 2:00:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:22Speaker 04

  EVIL.

• 2:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And it's, and it's.

• 2:00:26Bill Simmons?

  They're throwing a wedding for their daughter at a location.

• 2:00:29Sean Fennessey?

  Played by Indiana Reddick.

• 2:00:30Speaker 04

  Oh, come on. Why are we, we set our lives doing podcasts?

• 2:00:35Bill Simmons?

  It's on a, it's on a ferry going from Boston to Martha's Vineyard. We, so we're, we, we have another crack at Speed two, cause it should have worked.

• 2:00:44Sean Fennessey?

  While we're talking about this though, I was thinking about how the best person to kill CR would be Julia Litman, that he would never fucking see that coming.

• 2:00:50Speaker 04

  You're thinking about this that too much.

• 2:00:52Sean Fennessey?

  He would be so excited to see Juliet.

• 2:00:55Bill Simmons?

  Wesley's the best person. You'd never suspect Wesley.

• 2:00:58Chris Ryan?

  I mean, I would never suspect you.

• 2:01:01Sean Fennessey?

  You would though.

• 2:01:03Sean Fennessey?

  He would.

• 2:01:04Bill Simmons?

  It would make sense as you were dying.

• 2:01:06Speaker 04

  Jeff Daniels had when the bomb went off.

• 2:01:08Sean Fennessey?

  It was always ECR.

• 2:01:12Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Levine or someone else? You missed CR debut, Jon Bernthal from The Odyssey in this category.

• 2:01:21Chris Ryan?

  Manuela's voice. Yeah. For, for obsession.

• 2:01:24Sean Fennessey?

  Would you run it back for me?

• 2:01:25Chris Ryan?

  Did I do it from obsession?

• 2:01:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, no, I was.

• 2:01:28Speaker 04

  We're like, let me tell you a story about a man, about Freaky Nicky.

• 2:01:32Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I was gonna.

• 2:01:36Chris Ryan?

  In honor of Hopper, how about, uh, if Frank from Blue Velvet was in this movie?

• 2:01:42Chris Ryan?

  But just if he was bartending when the bomb squad is having celebration drinks and he's like, Heineken, fuck that. Cats blue ribbon.

• 2:01:51Sean Fennessey?

  Frank Booth is good. Frank Booth could go on the list.

• 2:01:58Chris Ryan?

  Do you want to throw some Barney in here?

• 2:02:01Bill Simmons?

  So what part is Barney? Is Barney on the bus?

• 2:02:03Chris Ryan?

  What if Barney was Jack? It sounds like-

• 2:02:06Bill Simmons?

  Barney's just one of the passengers?

• 2:02:10Bill Simmons?

  He's like, I need everybody to go to the right side of the bus. And Barney's like, hello, Jack.

• 2:02:14Chris Ryan?

  We should do a movie character draft of people you'd want on the speed bus.

• 2:02:18Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:02:21Sean Fennessey?

  Barney.

• 2:02:22Bill Simmons?

  Just one Oscar who gets it, obviously sound.

• 2:02:26Sean Fennessey?

  What about Yann Dubon? Come on.

• 2:02:28Bill Simmons?

  Best director?

• 2:02:28Sean Fennessey?

  Show some love.

• 2:02:30Bill Simmons?

  Giving it to him over Tarantino.

• 2:02:32Sean Fennessey?

  Hopper never won a competitive Oscar. Only nominated once.

• 2:02:36Chris Ryan?

  Who won best supporting actor this year?

• 2:02:38Bill Simmons?

  This was 94.

• 2:02:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:41Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, it's a trap.

• 2:02:41Bill Simmons?

  Wasn't it Martin Landau?

• 2:02:43Sean Fennessey?

  Sam Jackson. Yeah, it should have been Sam Jackson's Oscar.

• 2:02:45Bill Simmons?

  Terrible.

• 2:02:46Sean Fennessey?

  As Jules.

• 2:02:46Bill Simmons?

  Probably an answerable questions. You mentioned earlier in the original script, Harry was the bad guy. Is this a better movie if Harry's the bad guy?

• 2:02:55Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so. I like what they did.

• 2:02:56Chris Ryan?

  I think it's, I think it winds up being great the way it is. I agree. You agree with that.

• 2:03:01Bill Simmons?

  Best Yann ever, Yann Dubon or Yann Hammer?

• 2:03:06Bill Simmons?

  Who's your favorite Yann? If you could, if you could only-

• 2:03:08Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel about including-

• 2:03:09Bill Simmons?

  Good son dropping one Yann.

• 2:03:10Sean Fennessey?

  What about getting a Jan in there too? Cause you got Jan Michael Vincent?

• 2:03:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I think it's a Yann. Trying to look who the best, uh-

• 2:03:17Bill Simmons?

  Who was the more important Yann for you, CR? Mine is Yann Hammer.

• 2:03:19Sean Fennessey?

  What about Yann Vesely?

• 2:03:21Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, I think, I think Yann Dubon is a little bit bigger for me than Hammer. Hammer, great contributions, but Yann Dubon directed Speedy Twisters.

• 2:03:32Bill Simmons?

  Some good-

• 2:03:32Chris Ryan?

  Shot Die Hard and-

• 2:03:34Bill Simmons?

  These are great-

• 2:03:34Chris Ryan?

  Basic Instinct and Flatliners.

• 2:03:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's probably more important.

• 2:03:38Chris Ryan?

  Kind of shaped my 90s.

• 2:03:39Sean Fennessey?

  All those are, are German-

• 2:03:40Chris Ryan?

  I have a possibly unanswerable question.

• 2:03:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:43Chris Ryan?

  What's the hierarchy of the Bomb Squad? It's a lot of like call and audibles. A lot of guys just kind of doing their own-

• 2:03:48Bill Simmons?

  Lot of offensive coordinators.

• 2:03:49Sean Fennessey?

  At the top.

• 2:03:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but you know what I mean? Where it's just like, I know.

• 2:03:52Sean Fennessey?

  No selling. Thank you.

• 2:03:53Chris Ryan?

  Very sadler. I'm sorry. It took me a second. Um, but like Max in Charge, but like Harry and Jack are like, we're just gonna do this. We're gonna tie our crane to the elevator.

• 2:04:04Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes you gotta improvise, make choices.

• 2:04:09Chris Ryan?

  What?

• 2:04:11Bill Simmons?

  CR wasn't just a great writer and a great podcaster. He was an even better person. Who the fuck is this guy? CR didn't know him.

• 2:04:18Sean Fennessey?

  I learned so much from CR. I loved when they just let him cook.

• 2:04:25Bill Simmons?

  I hope every month is CR month.

• 2:04:27Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone knows that the really great CRs on music exist, but most people haven't heard it. But I, I, I heard it when it came out. Then I subscribe to the rewatchables 1999 just to hear CR's thoughts. I got a Luminary sub.

• 2:04:41Bill Simmons?

  A week, a week and a half later, awful announcing runs a hit piece.

• 2:04:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:46Bill Simmons?

  Bill Simmons never did Hunt for Red October. Does he regret it now?

• 2:04:50Sean Fennessey?

  CR died in vain. He never got to do Aliens.

• 2:04:55Bill Simmons?

  I had one more.

• 2:04:56Chris Ryan?

  Somebody's like, why did CR keep liking these Sophie Cunningham tweets?

• 2:05:03Sean Fennessey?

  I want the forensic analysis after your death of your socials. Yeah.

• 2:05:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we're definitely hacking his passwords.

• 2:05:10Bill Simmons?

  My only other answer was how far in the movie are we in before Jack realizes he needs to get off the bus not to save the passengers, but because of- How I'd have sex with Annie that night. I think we're like 40 minutes in.

• 2:05:23Chris Ryan?

  I think it's like, you can tell when he moves past Harry so quickly. Cause he's just like, the thing is, I'm getting late tonight.

• 2:05:31Bill Simmons?

  He submitted Annie. Uh, memorabilia most want from the movie?

• 2:05:35Chris Ryan?

  The bomb-

• 2:05:35Bill Simmons?

  Trigger stick?

• 2:05:36Chris Ryan?

  Gold watch.

• 2:05:37Bill Simmons?

  Gold watch.

• 2:05:37Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking about how every time I did Mets Corner on Zach's show, I would want to wear Jack's earpiece from the opening sequence. You see the earpieces that they're wearing in the Bomb Squad? Those are awesome.

• 2:05:47Bill Simmons?

  One of the buses from the film auctioned off in 2018 for a hundred and $2,000.

• 2:05:53Sean Fennessey?

  Whoa.

• 2:05:53Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:05:54Bill Simmons?

  Where do you put that thing?

• 2:05:57Chris Ryan?

  Uh, in a museum or like in a, like on a studio lot tour?

• 2:06:01Bill Simmons?

  Just outside of your house?

• 2:06:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's a weird thing to own.

• 2:06:04Bill Simmons?

  It's like, I saw this thing online about Jerry Seinfeld has the world's best Porsche colle- Porsche collection. He's got like 70 vintage Porsches and they're on this giant glass warehouse. That's cool.

• 2:06:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, for what? One seems fine. Maybe two.

• 2:06:19Bill Simmons?

  Takes a ride over to the warehouse and is like, I'm gonna drive the 63 today. It's weird. I never understood that, that-

• 2:06:27Sean Fennessey?

  You're surrounded by thousands of movie posters.

• 2:06:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but he gets enjoyment from these. He, he gets to look at them every day. Jerry Seinfeld can't.

• 2:06:33Bill Simmons?

  John Belushi, right there.

• 2:06:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's him.

• 2:06:35Bill Simmons?

  Can't drive John Belushi around. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award, best worst life lesson? Luck runs out sooner or later?

• 2:06:42Chris Ryan?

  Guts only gets you so far.

• 2:06:44Bill Simmons?

  Little cousin, no Miami Vice?

• 2:06:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:45Sean Fennessey?

  Those are good.

• 2:06:46Bill Simmons?

  Time is luck.

• 2:06:47Chris Ryan?

  20th and.

• 2:06:50Chris Ryan?

  I thought maybe I'd get a call this week.

• 2:06:52Sean Fennessey?

  About a revice?

• 2:06:53Chris Ryan?

  Like a, like a surprise revice.

• 2:06:55Bill Simmons?

  I put the three and a half minutes scene of them on the boat going to Cuba.

• 2:07:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:03Bill Simmons?

  He's, he goes and straps the seatbelt on her and she's kind of like, it's like a very sexual seatbelt scene. Maybe the number one sexual seatbelt scene.

• 2:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  Gong Li?

• 2:07:14Bill Simmons?

  Gong Li is just, they just had a vibe.

• 2:07:16Chris Ryan?

  Sexual seatbelt power rankings.

• 2:07:19Bill Simmons?

  Good, good title for a movie. Best double feature choice, CR?

• 2:07:23Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna go, uh, Die Hard, which is pretty-

• 2:07:26Bill Simmons?

  I had Die Hard as well.

• 2:07:27Sean Fennessey?

  I had Die Hard as well.

• 2:07:27Bill Simmons?

  Pretty chalk. What do you have?

• 2:07:29Chris Ryan?

  Transformers.

• 2:07:35Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie?

• 2:07:38Bill Simmons?

  This is a really tough one.

• 2:07:39Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's Keanu.

• 2:07:40Chris Ryan?

  I think it's Keanu as well.

• 2:07:42Sean Fennessey?

  There's a case for Bullock. You're on Bullock?

• 2:07:45Bill Simmons?

  I had Bullock. Cause I think Keanu was already a star and I think Bullock had had some bites at the apple.

• 2:07:51Chris Ryan?

  I just love how they never have to shoot around him. Like, and it's just like, his running is good. Like his, all his action shit is so believable and, and cool. And you never have to like cut around like, oh, but he's not gonna run across the street into a-

• 2:08:05Bill Simmons?

  Do you think, is he your number one draft pick for just a cop in a movie like this?

• 2:08:09Chris Ryan?

  I think he actually, he might be my favorite action star ever.

• 2:08:14Sean Fennessey?

  He's on the shortlist.

• 2:08:17Bill Simmons?

  Who's, who's he going against?

• 2:08:20Bill Simmons?

  Arnold? Sly?

• 2:08:22Sean Fennessey?

  They're so different. The styles are so different, you know? Like, I really love Cruz. Um, anytime Cruz has to go running somewhere, I'm interested. I want to know what's happening.

• 2:08:33Chris Ryan?

  How tall is Keanu Reeves?

• 2:08:35Bill Simmons?

  He's tall. I think he's like-

• 2:08:36Chris Ryan?

  5'10".

• 2:08:37Sean Fennessey?

  6'1"?

• 2:08:37Bill Simmons?

  5'11", 6 feet. Yeah.

• 2:08:39Chris Ryan?

  What's he listed at? 6'1".

• 2:08:42Bill Simmons?

  See, I think the thing with Keanu is-

• 2:08:43Chris Ryan?

  That's big. You, you can feel his athleticism and his physicality. The only thing limiting Cruz is you, you can feel he's a little short. You just feel that when you watch him.

• 2:08:50Bill Simmons?

  So what quarterback is Keanu?

• 2:08:53Chris Ryan?

  Like Baker.

• 2:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  Herbert.

• 2:08:55Chris Ryan?

  No, Herbert's huge.

• 2:08:56Sean Fennessey?

  But relative to action stars. It's all about relative to action stars.

• 2:08:59Chris Ryan?

  Oh, sure. Okay.

• 2:09:00Sean Fennessey?

  Like a 6'1" movie star.

• 2:09:01Bill Simmons?

  I think Keanu is like a Mahomes.

• 2:09:02Chris Ryan?

  He's like a 6'4" quarterback. Sure. Yeah.

• 2:09:04Bill Simmons?

  I think he's like Mahomes-y where he can do different things depending on what the situation is.

• 2:09:09Sean Fennessey?

  Keanu?

• 2:09:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:10Bill Simmons?

  Like Mahomes can have those playoff games when he just rushes 14 times.

• 2:09:14Chris Ryan?

  If you put Keanu in the wrong movie or the wrong part, like he can't really do anything with it. Whereas like Mahomes, I feel like you could put Mahomes on the Panthers tomorrow and it would be incredible.

• 2:09:22Bill Simmons?

  You couldn't put him on the 25 Chiefs. I'll tell you that much.

• 2:09:25Chris Ryan?

  There you go.

• 2:09:25Bill Simmons?

  6 and 11. Hey, have some. Tom Brady never went 6 and 11.

• 2:09:31Sean Fennessey?

  You okay? I feel like-

• 2:09:32Bill Simmons?

  Saying.

• 2:09:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's been a really interesting watching the Celtics humiliation ritual with you. Like, you've been going in a lot of directions. You've been, I feel like you're testing the boundaries.

• 2:09:42Chris Ryan?

  A little spiteful.

• 2:09:42Bill Simmons?

  We're fine. Still waiting for the Paul George press conference?

• 2:09:46Sean Fennessey?

  Is that coming?

• 2:09:47Bill Simmons?

  The welcome to Boston Paul George?

• 2:09:49Chris Ryan?

  Right. Is that happening?

• 2:09:50Bill Simmons?

  Week three? Week four?

• 2:09:52Sean Fennessey?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 2:09:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:53Sean Fennessey?

  Cause I'm not gonna see you for a while. I'm going on vacation.

• 2:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  You, I was listening to you and your dad. Guys were like circling back to the regular season. You were talking about, you have 156 games. Is there any part of you that thinks that maybe like the regular season doesn't matter at all now in the NBA?

• 2:10:07Bill Simmons?

  I mean, that was, we, that was a constant podcast subject the last couple of years.

• 2:10:11Sean Fennessey?

  But so why?

• 2:10:12Bill Simmons?

  It's almost like two different universes.

• 2:10:13Sean Fennessey?

  But you've been, you were hanging your hat on how much you valued Jalen because of how well he did in the regular season.

• 2:10:18Bill Simmons?

  I just like when guys show up for work, like CR.

• 2:10:21Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. That's right. Until you kill him. Yeah.

• 2:10:25Chris Ryan?

  He trades me.

• 2:10:25Bill Simmons?

  To Bundo, like Tahoe.

• 2:10:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, okay. I was just curious. I was listening and I was like, I, I watched the Knicks. They were kind of uninspiring during the regular season and then they won.

• 2:10:37Bill Simmons?

  It's the conundrum of the NBA now is you build one team for the regular season and then another-

• 2:10:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:42Bill Simmons?

  Team for the 10 weeks, which is gonna be the issue with, with Philly with-

• 2:10:49Sean Fennessey?

  There we go.

• 2:10:49Bill Simmons?

  With LeBron and Embiid having to play.

• 2:10:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm just asking if we can see it a little bit first before we start trading people hypothetically to other teams.

• 2:10:57Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 2:10:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:58Sean Fennessey?

  If Joel Embiid wins a title as a Sixer-

• 2:11:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is that significantly more meaningful than if he's traded for Anthony Davis or something like that?

• 2:11:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:12Bill Simmons?

  What were your speed takes that you didn't say yet?

• 2:11:15Speaker 04

  Just like the platonic ideal of a movie. Like, this is just all you want in a movie. I would pick Sandra as the winner. She's probably my number one draft pick 90s actresses.

• 2:11:23Sean Fennessey?

  Number one.

• 2:11:25Speaker 04

  I was kind of in love with Sandra Bullock.

• 2:11:26Bill Simmons?

  I think I'm in there too. Like Julie Roberts, like higher ceiling, but more, a little more Embiid-ish, actually.

• 2:11:32Speaker 04

  She, she does, she plays a normal person really well. Julie Roberts is like an alien. Sandra Bullock plays a normal person really well. And I do feel like this movie hinges on her ability to convey emotion well. Like, you feel the stress of the situation through her.

• 2:11:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:45Speaker 04

  Cause Keanu's calm. Everybody else is kind of in the background and she is so good at like when she sheds the tear and like when she freaks out when the woman falls out of the bus.

• 2:11:54Chris Ryan?

  We really did the can scene, but she's so good when she thinks she's had a baby carriage. You're like, clearly just a kind person.

• 2:12:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, like if you gave her a nomination for this movie, I wouldn't blink at it. I, I think she is so good, like her, just her face feeling emotions in it is amazing.

• 2:12:09Bill Simmons?

  I think it's a harder part because it could also just be a nothing part or just like a hot girl part. But she actually brings more to the table.

• 2:12:15Speaker 04

  Also, just like other great LAs, like ending at the Chinese theater. You see the CVS ballerina clown in Venice at the beginning of the movie.

• 2:12:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:23Speaker 04

  There's just great stuff like that. It's awesome.

• 2:12:25Bill Simmons?

  It really does use everything but the beach. And the beach is the only thing we don't see from LA.

• 2:12:29Chris Ryan?

  And like the two of them sitting on the, like the Venice boardwalk being like, wow, crazy day. And then she fucking lights up.

• 2:12:36Speaker 04

  The only thing that's like, the other like redundant move is like at the very end and they're like in the subway. And they're like, the track isn't finished. And you're like, ah, we just did that.

• 2:12:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:46Bill Simmons?

  It does set the record for the tracks not finished.

• 2:12:49Sean Fennessey?

  I don't love that either.

• 2:12:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:52Speaker 04

  Uh, but it's great. To your point about the practical effects stuff, like I feel like no one now, because of the Odyssey, everyone's like talking about that stuff again, rightfully so. But it's so good that you can't have CGI in this movie because they would have, they would have been like, awesome, we can make it even bigger. And the fact that.

• 2:13:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, there's sort of like cars flying up in the air and stuff.

• 2:13:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, like Keanu would probably be like 50 feet in the air flying in something if you had CGI. The fact that it has to stay as grounded as it is because of what, like the limitations of what you can physically film.

• 2:13:18Bill Simmons?

  The only thing we forgot to mention was the bomb on the bus paper flying off and then landing on the windshield. Another great gimmick. This movie just had great ideas.

• 2:13:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:13:29Bill Simmons?

  Great ideas always win, Sean.

• 2:13:32Sean Fennessey?

  You know, you reminded me of one other take that I had that I'm going to share with you as soon as I pull it up. It was related to this and it was in a different category.

• 2:13:39Bill Simmons?

  It sounded about CR's death?

• 2:13:40Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no, I'm happy to keep going on that though. I really enjoy that, Jag. Uh, okay, hold on.

• 2:13:49Bill Simmons?

  I was a struggling writer in 2012 and I sent Grantland an application. And CR sent me a really nice note saying, keep it up, man.

• 2:13:59Bill Simmons?

  He'll be missed.

• 2:14:02Sean Fennessey?

  We fucking love it when an original genre movie comes out of nowhere. This is one thing I wanted to say. So what happened with this year with obsession is also what happened with Speed, which is just like, what the hell is this? Who is Sandra Bullock? This happened with The Sixth Sense. It happened with Alien. It happened with Get Out. It happened with The Terminator, Inception, Pulp Fiction. When an original movie, Weapons was an example of this. You're like, I've never seen this before. Usually there's one or two people you've never seen before in the movie.

• 2:14:37Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 2:14:38Sean Fennessey?

  And you're like, goddamn, we can still do new things.

• 2:14:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:42Sean Fennessey?

  That's our, that's the, that's the best thing at the movies, in my opinion.

• 2:14:46Bill Simmons?

  Get Out was a good example of that too.

• 2:14:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:48Bill Simmons?

  Like, what is this?

• 2:14:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:14:49Bill Simmons?

  What's happening?

• 2:14:50Speaker 04

  This movie also makes me think about, I think that there's a, the current space for action movies is kind of weird right now. Because the superhero stuff took over all that and now that's kind of slowing down. Wick and Bourne and Mission are all kind of slowing down.

• 2:15:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 2:15:04Speaker 04

  And it's like, there's no real big action movies that are made.

• 2:15:07Chris Ryan?

  They're also like, they've gotten so over leveraged on like the CGI stuff. That it's like, uh, like there's never any real feeling of stakes in these things anymore.

• 2:15:14Speaker 04

  There's no like action stars being minted. There's no new Die Hards, no new Speeds. Like, there's no big original action movies anymore.

• 2:15:20Chris Ryan?

  I thought your streaming, the streaming movie star thing was really interesting that you did with Amanda where you were talking about Alan Richson.

• 2:15:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:15:26Chris Ryan?

  And.

• 2:15:27Sean Fennessey?

  Alan Richson in 1997 would have been an insanely big star. And he actually is a really big star, but only in one way.

• 2:15:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:34Sean Fennessey?

  Like only in, on Reacher or in that, the Netflix movie War Machine.

• 2:15:37Bill Simmons?

  The other thing we didn't mention, well, two things about the movie Big Picture and then we'll wrap up. But one was moving it up to June. Then basically shifted the whole summer movie schedule, which we've talked about before.

• 2:15:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:51Bill Simmons?

  Cause these were supposed to come out in July and August.

• 2:15:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:53Bill Simmons?

  And then all of a sudden now they're coming out in May and they're trying to get the first jump and stuff with that. The other thing is like the Netflix and Amazon, all these people making versions of Speed, but for a streaming movie. Like what was that Jason Bateman airplane movie?

• 2:16:07Chris Ryan?

  Uh, with, uh, Taron Egerton, yeah.

• 2:16:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:09Chris Ryan?

  He's the carry.

• 2:16:10Bill Simmons?

  Carry on.

• 2:16:11Chris Ryan?

  Air traffic or security guy.

• 2:16:13Bill Simmons?

  So these were getting ripped off for, I don't know, 10, 12 years with like phone booths and the cell and, not the cell. What was the phone call movie with Halle Berry? There was a movie, she was like working the.

• 2:16:24Chris Ryan?

  What, A Stranger?

• 2:16:25Sean Fennessey?

  No, is it One Missed Call?

• 2:16:27Speaker 04

  I think it's The Call.

• 2:16:28Sean Fennessey?

  The Call.

• 2:16:28Bill Simmons?

  The Call.

• 2:16:29Sean Fennessey?

  The Call.

• 2:16:30Bill Simmons?

  Movies like that where it's like just this premise and we go and they, they, it feels like they've moved to streaming.

• 2:16:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:36Bill Simmons?

  And they're just, it's always like the DNA of this movie.

• 2:16:39Chris Ryan?

  I also think this is like a big cell phones, smartphones kind of killed a lot of attention in these. It's like really hard to be like, so you, like I could just Google who you are while this is happening. You know what I mean? Like, you would just be like, Howard Payne is this. Oh shit, you know?

• 2:16:55Bill Simmons?

  We got him.

• 2:16:58Bill Simmons?

  Uh, CR, pleasure as always. Hope you keep kicking it for another 50 years.

• 2:17:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I hope I make it through this lake now.

• 2:17:05Sean Fennessey?

  Wait, isn't the line reading, that's our scumbag?

• 2:17:09Sean Fennessey?

  That's what we're gonna say when CR goes down.

• 2:17:12Bill Simmons?

  Sean, have fun on vacation.

• 2:17:13Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you.

• 2:17:14Bill Simmons?

  I look forward to being on the, um, the flop draft.

• 2:17:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:17:17Bill Simmons?

  That I've invited myself to. Craig, fantasy football show, we're heating up.

• 2:17:22Speaker 04

  Draft's coming.

• 2:17:23Bill Simmons?

  Drafts are coming.

• 2:17:23Chris Ryan?

  A lot of drafts at the end of August.

• 2:17:25Speaker 04

  I know.

• 2:17:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:26Speaker 04

  You guys getting ready?

• 2:17:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, am I doing it?

• 2:17:28Speaker 04

  It's up to you.

• 2:17:29Bill Simmons?

  You're doing it. You're fucking, you're gonna be there.

• 2:17:31Sean Fennessey?

  I think I responded maybe to the invite.

• 2:17:33Speaker 04

  You did. What, you actually responded yes and then switched it to maybe?

• 2:17:36Chris Ryan?

  Wait, cause you were thinking about how you were treated last year?

• 2:17:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, which was unfairly and rudely. But you know what? Didn't finish in last.

• 2:17:44Speaker 04

  I finished in last. How, how sweet would it be if you came back and won?

• 2:17:48Chris Ryan?

  Am I allowed to have Tate draft for me again?

• 2:17:50Speaker 04

  Tate's his own team now. You're your own team.

• 2:17:52Bill Simmons?

  That's right. All right. Thanks, guys.

• 2:17:55Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks, Bill.

• 2:18:06Sean Fennessey?

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