‘The Italian Job’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Bill, Chris, and Van hop in the Mini Cooper and dress up as cable guys to revisit the 2003 heist action film ‘The Italian Job,’ starring Mark Wahlberg, Charlize Theron, Edward Norton, and Jason Statham. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic LIONSGATE’S MUTINY, STARRING JASON STATHAM, ONLY IN THEATERS AUGUST 21 Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/REWATCHABLES Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:06Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find Higher Learning, Midnight Boys with Van Lathan, you can find The Watch.

• 0:15Chris Ryan?

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• 0:17Speaker 02

  Of course, there you go. All the tailgaters, they raise a roof for them right there.

• 0:23Bill Simmons?

  We're talking about, we're talking about college football on my podcast a little bit.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  We just did.

• 0:28Bill Simmons?

  Middle week, yeah, we taped something for that. I couldn't find a movie called The Half Italian Job, so we're doing The Full Italian Job. The Italian Job is next.

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• 1:39Bill Simmons?

  This episode of The Rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st. Our guy, Jason Statham, stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane, I like that movie. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, that always happens. Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission, I love one-man missions, to take down those responsible. And if you're a fan of The Beekeeper, The Meg, or The Expendables, guilty. This is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in. You've sold me. One of the defining action stars of the last 25 years, doing what he does best. I agree with that. Think Die Hard on a Boat, that sounds great.

• 2:24Bill Simmons?

  Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st, rated R for strong bloody violence and language. There you go. The Italian Job, 2003, Mark Wahlberg, Charlize, Jason Statham, Seth Green.

• 2:53Chris Ryan?

  Mos Def.

• 2:54Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm. Ed Norton.

• 2:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57Bill Simmons?

  Who has taken a life of its own in this movie. We're gonna really save this, we have a nice spot to talk about this. And this movie's just a great hang, and it's kind of everything I want in an hour and 15 minute movie. Just a great time.

• 3:10Chris Ryan?

  If I came to you in 2003 at the beginning of the year and I said, "Do you like Ocean's 11?" And you're like, "Yeah." And I was like, "Do you like Fast and the Furious?" And you're like, "Yeah." I was like, "What if we put the two together?"

• 3:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 3:22Chris Ryan?

  And had Mini Coopers racing all over Los Angeles? You'd take that, and this is what you get. This is, this is a delightful caper.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  It's like the movie is the lesser version of Ocean's 11, but the prestige version of the Fast and the Furious.

• 3:36Chris Ryan?

  Yep, exactly.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  And just incredibly watchable. I saw it in the theaters like, I think, two or three times. My man Stefan worked at City Place, so we would go there.

• 3:44Chris Ryan?

  You always drop lore, like Bill's gonna know Stefan.

• 3:48Bill Simmons?

  My man Stefan. Stefan was buff.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, my man Stefan, man. Stefan, I went to high school with him, and then he worked his way up to manager, and we was just going crazy at City Place. We saw The Italian Job.

• 3:57Bill Simmons?

  I'm doing my CR thinks, who could have been Harrison Ford?

• 4:00Chris Ryan?

  Luke Wilson.

• 4:02Bill Simmons?

  Hottest take right now.

• 4:03Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 4:04Bill Simmons?

  Stefan? I think this movie basically supercharges the Fast and Furious franchise. I think from Fast 4 on.

• 4:10Chris Ryan?

  They heard the footsteps.

• 4:11Bill Simmons?

  They were like, no, The Italian Job came out in 03, and I think as they were trying to figure out how to expand Fast 4 and beyond, they were like, "Just do like what they did in The Italian Job." And I think all the DNA from there, leading to culminating in F. Gary Gray directing Charlize and Statham are all in like Fast 8 or Fast 9 together.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 4:31Bill Simmons?

  But all that, when you watch how this movie's set up, the different locations, "We gotta get a job, let's get the crew together, hey, have you met this person?" Oh, we have like the wisecracking person, who's, you know, we have the computer internet person, we have like the driver, we have some, we have some love interests, we gotta go in these locations, we have some crazy driving stunts, we have a bad guy, this is fast.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  The fact that the movie ends up becoming about actually the personal relationships between, which actually the whole.

• 5:06Bill Simmons?

  Dude, these are our people by the end.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, by the end of it.

• 5:09Bill Simmons?

  Well, so why not more sequels? What the fuck happened? How did we not have the Spanish job and the Australian job?

• 5:14Chris Ryan?

  Oh, it's gonna be the Brazilian job.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Brazilian job.

• 5:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. We're fucking wasted opportunity, though. Wahlberg's just making like, he's just making three movies a year, he couldn't have stuck in some sequels?

• 5:24Chris Ryan?

  I mean, Wahlberg arguably just goes on, like, he's like, it can be called The Italian Job, it can be called, you know, whatever you want to call it, but like, I make these movies every 18 months anyway. So it's like, if you wanted to make it, you could have, but I thought it was, watch, going back to this, it was such a great time capsule, not only to like a certain era of digital technology, a point in all of these people's careers where you're like, "Oh, man, it's all out in front of you, this is crazy." And also, a kind of Hollywood mid-table blockbuster that still cared enough about craft stuff, where it was like, "Oh, man, that fucking speedboat's really gonna fly off the back of another boat."

• 6:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 6:04Chris Ryan?

  And crash into something, you know what I mean? Like, it's not all gonna be CGI, there's not gonna be CGI explosions, it's like, real stunts, real machines.

• 6:11Bill Simmons?

  And the actors doing the stunts.

• 6:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Bill Simmons?

  There's a bunch of stuff in this movie where you go, "How'd they do that?" There's like, that one in Venice with the two speedboats that are coming down different canals.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:24Bill Simmons?

  And they have to turn, and it's like, Jesus Christ, I wonder like, was there a take where they just crashed into each other?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  It's a cool-ass movie, everybody looks great.

• 6:31Bill Simmons?

  Everybody looks great.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Everybody looks phenomenal, like, you got excited when you saw the poster? "Oh, it's Charlize and Mark and Mos Def, it's like, oh shit." You're like, "I gotta see that, I gotta see what they all put together." Ed Norton gives this movie a seriousness that might have not existed, we'll talk about it, that may have not existed had he not been on there, because you look at that guy and you go, "Well, this has to be kind of a movie that you take seriously."

• 6:57Chris Ryan?

  That's the guy from Primal Fear.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  That's the guy from Primal Fear, that's the guy from whatever, whatever, he's done all this important stuff.

• 7:01Bill Simmons?

  Ed Norton is the key person in this movie.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:04Bill Simmons?

  Because of the weight that he brings, where it's like, "Oh, this isn't just Fast 2."

• 7:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Bill Simmons?

  This is a movie that Ed Norton has decided to be in, and as we'll go into later.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  There's a reason why.

• 7:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. It was inspired by the 1969 British film. It's kind of an homage.

• 7:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:21Bill Simmons?

  I don't think, I haven't seen that one.

• 7:22Chris Ryan?

  I think it has the international globetrotting caper quality. You got three world-class cities, Venice, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, all featured, you know? And I think it had a little bit of that James Bond inventiveness of like, taking things that maybe you hadn't seen done in that certain way, like, you know, in a Bond movie, they'll have like a mini helicopter, and in this, it's the Mini Cooper, but just like the idea of like, what's something people haven't seen before when it comes to a car chase? Or when it comes to a heist?

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Also, kind of an underrated LA movie.

• 7:54Bill Simmons?

  Hundred percent.

• 7:55Chris Ryan?

  Really good LA movie.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Like, if you're talking about films.

• 7:58Bill Simmons?

  They don't make them like this anymore.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  They don't, like, when you're watching this movie.

• 8:01Bill Simmons?

  Can you imagine they're trying to do this on Hollywood Boulevard now?

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Tough.

• 8:05Bill Simmons?

  No way.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Not tough, it's fucking impossible.

• 8:07Chris Ryan?

  They'd probably destroy the water supply for the entire city if they did.

• 8:08Bill Simmons?

  They shut down Hollywood Boulevard, it was before we started working on Jimmy's show, so I think, because they filmed in 02, they shut it down for seven days.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:17Bill Simmons?

  Like, nobody could go on Hollywood Boulevard.

• 8:19Chris Ryan?

  300 cars on Hollywood and Highland for a week.

• 8:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. They would never be able to do that now.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  The movie is counting on you to buy into the fact that LA is a cool character in movies, and movies used to do that.

• 8:30Bill Simmons?

  By the way, LA was much cooler in 2003, like, they had made a concerted effort to try to rejuvenate downtown in Hollywood, they're filming, I think, in the research, SWAT, Hollywood homicide, and this movie were all being filmed at the exact same time in downtown LA? Like, they don't film fucking anything in LA anymore.

• 8:48Chris Ryan?

  I also like the idea that the person who cast this movie, Sheila Jaffe, I think she was also the casting agent for Entourage, and there's like an LA set kind of collection of actors, and, and, you know, like, Wahlberg and Norton are obviously on like the ascendancy in their careers here, but had Charlize done Monster yet, like?

• 9:07Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, that hasn't happened yet.

• 9:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  But her serious turn, wait a minute, let's make sure about that, but her serious turn.

• 9:14Chris Ryan?

  Same year.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Like, it's the same year?

• 9:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but let me see when it came out. I think she, there's a Seth Green interview where he's like, "She was telling me about Monster."

• 9:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:22Chris Ryan?

  But I don't think it had come out yet.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  It's after.

• 9:24Chris Ryan?

  Six months later.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Her like ascendant to the top of the industry happens like just after this.

• 9:28Bill Simmons?

  Right. I mean, if we really want to dive into this with Charlize, this is, this is like one of those NBA seasons where you can't believe all the talent. When we're talking about Scarlett's coming up now. Angelina's at her peak. You have Aniston and the Friends crew. You have Charlize coming up out of nowhere.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  I know what you want to say.

• 9:50Chris Ryan?

  What's he want to say?

• 9:51Speaker 02

  I'm going to say this is the white Renaissance. This is the white girls.

• 9:54Bill Simmons?

  The white Renaissance?

• 9:55Chris Ryan?

  No, because Hallie was.

• 9:56Bill Simmons?

  No, Hallie, Hallie just done Swordfish?

• 9:58Speaker 02

  I know, I get, no, I, I'm not talking about.

• 9:59Bill Simmons?

  When did Monsters Ball come out? Monsters Ball's gotta be in this?

• 10:02Speaker 02

  That right there is a legendary performance. That's an 83-point game right there. No one's put up those types of numbers since.

• 10:09Bill Simmons?

  Make me feel good.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Make me feel good. I was like, yeah, man, make her feel good, dawg. Get to it.

• 10:14Bill Simmons?

  Come on, Billy Bob, make her feel good.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  He did his thing though.

• 10:17Bill Simmons?

  Just make her feel good.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  But yeah, but like, and you know what? I will say that if you look at the draft capital of all of those young ladies that were, that's a good draft class. Because they all panned out for the most part.

• 10:27Bill Simmons?

  And if you watch season one, season two, Entourage, and a bunch of them are popping in on that one too. Cause they would kind of dip into the world. Yeah, you're looking at Charlize. This is basically seven years here. Devil's Advocate, which we've done on the rewatchables, that was 97. Two Days in the Valley was 96. Astronaut's Wife was 99, which was bad.

• 10:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's depth, right?

• 10:50Bill Simmons?

  Reindeer Games 2000, I'm always going to defend that movie.

• 10:53Chris Ryan?

  I love that movie, yeah.

• 10:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. She's in a bunch of stinkers. Like Bagger Vance, Man of Honor, Sweet November, 15 Minutes. Goes on and on and it hadn't really happened for her yet. And I really think it was this, which made a ton of money. And then Monster.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Monster's.

• 11:09Bill Simmons?

  Give her the credibility and then, then she went up a level. But I think she was, you know, you, you had her stock for a few years.

• 11:17Chris Ryan?

  What did you have her come in for, for the pod?

• 11:21Bill Simmons?

  2017, 18 range.

• 11:23Chris Ryan?

  Was that Mad Max?

• 11:25Bill Simmons?

  I think it was Fast.

• 11:26Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 11:27Bill Simmons?

  I don't remember because I blacked out for.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you weren't even there.

• 11:30Chris Ryan?

  Was it Atomic Blonde?

• 11:32Bill Simmons?

  Oh, maybe it was that.

• 11:33Chris Ryan?

  That was 2017.

• 11:33Bill Simmons?

  I left my body. I was levitating above myself.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:38Bill Simmons?

  But yeah, so this was kind of the end of that version of Charlize.

• 11:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:42Bill Simmons?

  I think. And then Wahlberg, who gets cast because F. Gary Gray loves Boogie Nights. But it's funny watching him in this movie where it's, it still feels a little Dirk Diggler-ish. Like the hair kind of has like innocence. He's not really weathered Mark Wahlberg yet. He still seems young.

• 11:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:59Bill Simmons?

  He's still figuring out how to carry a movie. He's had some hits and some misses. But this was a big one for him.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  He's trying something I don't think he ever tried again. Which is to do the George Clooney Ocean's Eleven thing as being the understated cool main guy.

• 12:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  And after this, I don't think he really tries it again. He leans into the Mark Wahlberg-ness of almost every performance he's in after this.

• 12:23Chris Ryan?

  Well, this movie has like a light touch that he doesn't usually do. Like he does it in comedies or whatever, but Contraband or like a bunch of the like the thriller action movies he makes, the ones he's made with Pete Berg, like, they're kind of like, the dude is very traumatized. Something very like bad has happened in his past that he's accounting for. With this, it's almost like Charlize takes a lot of that because it's the Donald Sutherland plotline. So he's almost just like, it's not about the gold. It's about getting, you know, like.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  He's the steady hand.

• 12:51Chris Ryan?

  He's the steady hand.

• 12:52Bill Simmons?

  It's a charisma role.

• 12:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:53Bill Simmons?

  Right. Does Boogie Nights, then he's in the big hit, Corruptor, Three Kings, The Yards, Perfect Storm, which we did.

• 13:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:01Bill Simmons?

  Planet of the Apes, which was bad. Rockstar, which was terrible, and The Truth About Charlie. So it wasn't really happening. But then after this, Huckabee's Invincible, Departed, Shooter, Other Guys, Fighter, like he, he goes, goes up a level.

• 13:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Bill Simmons?

  All leading to Ted, which nobody saw in a million years like he would ever be in a movie like that. And was, I think, the most successful one he's done.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  But by the time he gets to Ted, to my point, he officially knows about the Mark Wahlberg joke and who he is.

• 13:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  And yeah, and he's playing into it.

• 13:33Bill Simmons?

  He's a high A-lister by the time we get to the 2010s.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Boy, goddamn it, do I not ride for Shooter. Not only do I think that there's nothing wrong with Shooter. I'm, my, I know that my taste is shit. I think Shooter is a legit banger.

• 13:48Bill Simmons?

  Did we do Shooter?

• 13:49Chris Ryan?

  We did.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  I fucking love Shooter.

• 13:51Bill Simmons?

  Oh, we did Shooter.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  What do you mean? Like, I'm just saying.

• 13:55Chris Ryan?

  I must have been. Bob Lee Swagger, I must have been.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Fucking Swagger.

• 13:58Bill Simmons?

  Bob Lee Swagger, One Last Job?

• 14:00Chris Ryan?

  I must have been on Shooter.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  It was you two and Shay.

• 14:03Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  I fucking.

• 14:04Bill Simmons?

  That makes sense.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Glover comes in, yeah, Shay's perfect for that. Glover comes in and he wants.

• 14:08Bill Simmons?

  Evil Danny Glover.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Evil Danny Glover.

• 14:11Bill Simmons?

  The best.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  Comes in, he wants to get Bob Lee Swagger's fucking attention, so he shows him his Medal of Honor.

• 14:17Bill Simmons?

  Wow, look at that type of shit, bro. Shooter was great. Shooter's great. Some, some Kate Merrick.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  But yeah, so just like I say, Bob Lee Swagger goes and Shooter and Max on his dead Spotters girl. But it doesn't even feel bad. I fuck with it.

• 14:38Bill Simmons?

  It was a little like in Homicide when Brody's wife starts shacking up with Mike, which I just watched. And then Brody came home. It's like, hey.

• 14:46Chris Ryan?

  Homeland, not homicide.

• 14:48Bill Simmons?

  Homeland, Homeland. Should we invite Mac over for dinner tonight? I don't think so.

• 14:53Bill Simmons?

  You like Brody's wife in Homeland, Ben?

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Homeland, the show? I've never seen it.

• 14:58Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 14:59Chris Ryan?

  What season are you on now?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Blonde Spot.

• 15:01Bill Simmons?

  I stopped after two.

• 15:02Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 15:02Bill Simmons?

  I lost interest.

• 15:05Bill Simmons?

  Ed Norton.

• 15:09Bill Simmons?

  We could do it now.

• 15:11Chris Ryan?

  Do you want me to say what the categories would have been? Cause this is going to be my flex.

• 15:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, do your flex now.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Do your flex now.

• 15:17Bill Simmons?

  Do it now.

• 15:17Chris Ryan?

  My flex was going to be, I had a two-parter. I was going to give Ed Norton the Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot.

• 15:29Bill Simmons?

  I had that right there.

• 15:29Chris Ryan?

  Which was the Norton Casting Saga. I also was going to give Ed Norton a special reverse Peter North award for the least amount of effort put into the movie. AKA The Dribbler.

• 15:48Chris Ryan?

  For, for just basically his like vibe when he's like standing around and like getting his cable fixed in this movie. And he's like, I was in fucking Primal Fear, man. What are we doing here? Like?

• 15:59Bill Simmons?

  And this is why we have to talk about this at the top. One of the reasons this movie is so rewatchable is how bizarre Ed Norton's performance is. And I forgot until doing the research, the whole story in the background. And then it all makes sense because he's basically Worm in Rounders, but on autopilot.

• 16:15Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 16:16Bill Simmons?

  It's like he went into the closet and he's like, I'll just bring out Worm, but I don't, my heart's not really in it. And he's got the same mustache beard thing. He's a scumbag like Worm is, but just doesn't, it's a male end.

• 16:28Chris Ryan?

  Now, everybody.

• 16:29Bill Simmons?

  But it's a fun male end, I gotta say.

• 16:31Chris Ryan?

  Movie said that he was nothing but professional.

• 16:33Bill Simmons?

  Right. Oh, okay.

• 16:34Chris Ryan?

  But leading up to the film, he had signed a two movie deal with Paramount. Was, he got paid.

• 16:40Bill Simmons?

  Three, it was Primal Fear and then two more.

• 16:43Chris Ryan?

  Okay, so basically does Primal Fear. He becomes an Oscar nominated best young actor of his generation, going up for all these different roles against Damon and Affleck. And all these guys are jockeying for, you're going to be in The Rainmaker, but I'm going to be in.

• 16:59Bill Simmons?

  Well, so he was 75K for the movie after Primal Fear and then 125K for the one after.

• 17:05Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 17:05Bill Simmons?

  And then as CR says, he ascends.

• 17:08Chris Ryan?

  And so he keeps doing these other movies for other studios and Paramount's like, you got, you fucking owe us some movies, man. And they had basically an agreement.

• 17:17Bill Simmons?

  And he does, he does Fight Club for Fox.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  It comes to a head with Fight Club. It comes to a head with Fight Club.

• 17:21Bill Simmons?

  And they're like, all right, what the fuck, dude? You owe us some movies.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Fox threatened, Fox said, well, if you don't figure this out with Paramount, then you can't fucking do Fight Club.

• 17:29Chris Ryan?

  So he's like, let me do Fight Club and I promise I'll do this next movie, but he asked.

• 17:33Bill Simmons?

  Paramount bumps him up to a million.

• 17:35Chris Ryan?

  And he asks Sherri Lancing, he's like, but please don't put me in a piece of shit. And she's like, I will never make you do a movie against your will.

• 17:42Bill Simmons?

  So he wants talent to Mr. Ripley, they cast Matt Damon. He wants Mission Impossible 3, no part for him. Wants them to produce 25th Hour.

• 17:52Chris Ryan?

  Nope.

• 17:53Bill Simmons?

  No, thank you. Now the clock's ticking.

• 17:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. There's another movie that Paramount co-financed and Ed Norton tried to be like, well, that's my movie for you guys.

• 18:03Bill Simmons?

  The score.

• 18:04Chris Ryan?

  The score.

• 18:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 18:04Chris Ryan?

  And they were like, no, we co-financed it. That's not our movie. And they keep trying to offer him stuff and trying to.

• 18:09Bill Simmons?

  They tried to put him in the Corps with Hillary Swank. He's like, no.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  And by this point.

• 18:14Bill Simmons?

  This is like, there's a whole crazy story.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  And he goes, he goes and gets Marty Singer, who if you ever heard that name, is one of the true apex predators of this entire town and this industry. But something else happens at this point.

• 18:27Bill Simmons?

  That's who I should have hired when he was paying, tried to fuck with me.

• 18:29Chris Ryan?

  Get Marty Singer.

• 18:30Bill Simmons?

  Talk to Marty Singer.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Listen to me, listen to me. My time at TMZ.

• 18:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  That's not a shark you want to be in.

• 18:37Chris Ryan?

  You don't want that name coming into it. Yeah.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  So, but also at this same time, his asking price has gone up to $10 million per film.

• 18:45Bill Simmons?

  And Paramount's getting him at one.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  They have him locked in at a million dollars. So not only is he doing a movie that creatively.

• 18:50Chris Ryan?

  He's not even getting paid that much for it.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  He's doing, he's taking a $9 million haircut to do the movie.

• 18:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Bill Simmons?

  And Marty Singer is doing the, if you want the best possible performance in the best possible movie, you wouldn't want to force an actor of his caliber to perform against his will.

• 19:05Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  And something that happens in this that almost never happens. They big dick Marty.

• 19:12Chris Ryan?

  Well, they they got Patricia Glazer and they also were just like, we will sue you.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  We will sue you and it's not normally.

• 19:18Chris Ryan?

  Norton is basically dining out on Sherry Lansing promised me in a room that I wouldn't have to do a movie I didn't want to do. And you guys are now saying that's not the case. And it gets to the point where it's basically like, he does this so that he can make Fight Club and so that he doesn't get sued.

• 19:35Bill Simmons?

  But this is well after Fight Club.

• 19:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Bill Simmons?

  I mean, I think what really happens is this has a really bad effect on his career. Like you go and you look at the movies he makes after Italian Job, he's on the opposite of a heater from oh, three on. This is his last really successful movie for a while and he's really unhappy in the Hulk. Right? And makes a couple and by the time we get to the two thousand teens, he's in Bourne Identity happily.

• 20:01Chris Ryan?

  Bourne Legacy.

• 20:02Bill Simmons?

  Bourne Legacy.

• 20:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, which he would have, you know, been snobby about. Interesting career. I've I've never, did you read this story, Craig? So what happens if this happens now on the internet in twenty twenty six?

• 20:13Chris Ryan?

  This would be known immediately. This would be written about in real time as it's happening.

• 20:16Bill Simmons?

  I think Bellamy is doing pods about this.

• 20:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, this just happened in a much different way. While Obsession was still in the theaters, there was a huge argument about like, who is participating in the profits for Obsession?

• 20:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:30Chris Ryan?

  That like this would be in real time documented. Now, there is also a level of reporting being done about this and the quotes the lawyers are giving and the.

• 20:38Bill Simmons?

  What was it? It was New York Observer?

• 20:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but there was also like, there's a nameless producer giving a quote that's like, because Norton goes around basically like saying, I don't want to do Italian Job. It's a piece of shit. And he's like, if I had a guy who was bad mouthing my movie like this, there's no fucking way I'd let him on the set, you know, like, so everybody is kind of weighing in on it.

• 20:56Bill Simmons?

  So I watched, I watched this movie the first time before I read that story. And then I watched it the last night, knowing the story and knowing all the intricate details and it was fascinating.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  So it it is and the worm thing is such a good pull. So they do feel like this guy feels like if Worm lost all reason for living. And he was just going through the motions because I'll tell you something about Worm. When you watch that fucking movie, that is such a magnetic sizzling performance. Every single fucking line delivered from.

• 21:29Bill Simmons?

  He's on fire.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  He is on fire. He believes it completely. He is completely like, uh, so he's surrendered to his worldview. Every single, even when he gets his ass kicked, like he's still jumping off of the screen. And in this one, Norton looks almost pale.

• 21:46Bill Simmons?

  He uses a worm line at the end. When he says whatever, he says, whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart.

• 21:53Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 21:54Bill Simmons?

  It's literally one of Worm's lines around us. I think he's just like, fuck it. I'm just gonna openly be Worm. I wonder if anyone's ever asked him, did you just say, I can't believe I have to be in this movie. I'm just gonna be Worm.

• 22:06Chris Ryan?

  But by by all accounts, the other actors were like, it's not like he refused to come out of his trailer or anything. It's just that he was like, you guys have me for a month. Let's let's do it. I'll try to.

• 22:16Bill Simmons?

  He did have a quote after, my real fans should give this a miss.

• 22:21Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  I mean, I mean, look.

• 22:24Bill Simmons?

  It'd be funny if CR, we did a rewatch. It was like CR just tweeted that out.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:28Bill Simmons?

  Italian Job, my real fans.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  All the CR heads, take this one off.

• 22:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  But I'll say this, this goes back to, because you're right, this goes back, you're right, when they were talking about it. He said, they said that, hey, he had all these ideas with the character. He came in, he was totally engaged. The reality is if an actor of.

• 22:47Chris Ryan?

  Those ideas were used on rounders.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Actor of his caliber, if he's not.

• 22:52Bill Simmons?

  Poker player.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  If he's not totally locked in.

• 22:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's just no way over the course of an entire film for him to camouflage that.

• 23:00Bill Simmons?

  Well, when we did Domestic Disturbance, we talked about how Tribolta was really engaged for about two thirds of the movie. And then the last thirty minutes, you could just see the life leaving his.

• 23:10Chris Ryan?

  At any given point in Domestic Disturbance, every actor except for the kid.

• 23:15Bill Simmons?

  Realizes.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:16Bill Simmons?

  We're out of here. And Ed Norton, I think the first twenty minutes and the first twenty minutes of this movie are spectacular.

• 23:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 23:23Bill Simmons?

  And I think he's into it, but it feels like by the end.

• 23:26Chris Ryan?

  I mean, how can you have a bad time in Venice in the Alps?

• 23:28Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 23:29Chris Ryan?

  Like, you'd just be like, this is pretty cool.

• 23:30Bill Simmons?

  Near the end, they're like, all right, Ed, um, you're in that helicopter, uh, just try to look evil. You're gonna be facing Wahlberg.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  This is the the scene that to me really underscores this is the Cable Girl scene. Where she walks in there in uniform, looking at the peak of Charlize that we've ever seen. And he has to try to convince us that he's trying to hit.

• 23:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  And it's just not coming off at all. It doesn't seem like he's really into it. She looks as beautiful in this movie as she's ever looked. We're dealing with her in her peak form. And he just in the scene, I'm watching, I'm like.

• 24:09Chris Ryan?

  I mean, he does ask out his cable guy within one minute.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  He does, but it don't seem like he want to do it. It seemed like Paramount made him.

• 24:15Chris Ryan?

  Well, I think that I'll I'll make a defense for that, which is that that character doesn't really want anything. Like, that's the problem is like, when he gets the gold, he's like, I just bought everything that you guys wanted.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  He moved to Los Feliz. Got the gold. He he moved to Los Feliz. Like you didn't, he didn't get the gold and go to like Antigua or Barbados and stuff like that.

• 24:37Bill Simmons?

  Statham, he's handsome Rob in this movie. It hasn't really happened for him a hundred percent yet.

• 24:43Chris Ryan?

  He'd done Lock, Stock, right?

• 24:44Bill Simmons?

  He'd he'd bounced in some stuff. He was in Snatch. He was in Mean Machine. He's in Transporter. Um, but it wasn't until Crank, I think, that he became.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  I know why.

• 24:54Bill Simmons?

  A one man franchise.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  I know why it hadn't happened yet.

• 24:56Bill Simmons?

  Why?

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Talk about it later. He was still holding on to the hair.

• 24:59Chris Ryan?

  Oh, he hadn't shaved it off.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  He hadn't shaved it off yet. Well, I'll talk about it a little bit later, but like.

• 25:03Chris Ryan?

  Is this the first Statham movie we've ever done?

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Can't be. You guys haven't done Lock, Stock on here?

• 25:08Chris Ryan?

  We didn't do Snatch.

• 25:09Bill Simmons?

  No, I don't. I don't think. This might be the first one.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Are you, what is it? Are you a Statham beekeeper, working man?

• 25:17Chris Ryan?

  I've seen them all.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:19Bill Simmons?

  I really enjoy him. Yeah, it's it's like, I don't, it's weird that we haven't done one on rewatchables, but um, he definitely has a specific. I remember like Vinnie Jones, they were really trying to make as like, be this guy, this tough English guy. And then Statham kind of took that from him.

• 25:36Chris Ryan?

  I'll say this about Jason Statham. We both know what know what we're here for.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Something bad happened, Statham would not fuck you up.

• 25:42Chris Ryan?

  He gives me what I need. I give him ten dollars, you know, like.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  True. The beekeeper.

• 25:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Claire Huxtable dies, Felice Rashad dies at the beginning of the movie. Like, we know you must fucking kill. He walks into a whole tech room, kills everybody, fucks everybody up, kicks them, looks great doing, he's amazing.

• 26:00Bill Simmons?

  People have been doing it sixties, seventies. This was Charles Bronson for ten years. Eastwood was on the high end of some of this stuff. Um, we had, you know, Van Damme. We've had these guys. We need these guys. There's not a lot of Statham's anymore.

• 26:15Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 26:15Bill Simmons?

  Not a lot of people who could be like, this guy is just gonna get revenge on some people.

• 26:19Chris Ryan?

  Alan Richan is basically like the successor, but he mostly makes streaming stuff.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  I'll tell you also that the Stathamness is incredibly bankable. Like, you put thirty or forty million into the Statham verse, you go and you withdraw eighty, ninety, a hundred million dollars. Hundred and ten, hundred, every single time. People like him doing what the fuck he does.

• 26:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Shay, I think it was Shay had a funny tweet where he was like, they shouldn't even title Jason Statham movies.

• 26:48Bill Simmons?

  This is called.

• 26:48Chris Ryan?

  Should just be called Statham four, Statham five. People go see it.

• 26:52Bill Simmons?

  Statham and then the year it comes out, Statham twenty six, yeah. Charlize.

• 26:59Bill Simmons?

  We talked about earlier at the end of her smoke show worldwide tour, which lasted from ninety six to oh, three, before she did Monster and moved into serious actressdom. I got this email from Mitch in Toronto.

• 27:13Bill Simmons?

  It was for the rewatchables mailbag. And he started out, this one will be seconded by Craig. He just immediately wanted Craig's approval.

• 27:20Chris Ryan?

  And it was.

• 27:21Bill Simmons?

  Instead of sometimes dancing around the idea of an actor's appearance, just lean into it with a new category called the Mila Kunis and forgetting Sarah Marshall. Appearance Apex Mountain Award for is this the most attractive this person has ever been in a movie? And to keep it equitable, you could do the male equivalent too, Harrison Ford a witness, as you talked about, depending the thing. So. Think this is a good one to break this out.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Fuck all that equality shit. Look, this is one of the things, I'm sick of this dumbass shit. This is one of the things that I most have.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  Why are you pointing at Craig?

• 27:53Speaker 02

  Because it's the, it's.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Took the glasses off.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, this is the thing I have most, uh, most beef with your fucking generation about.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Remember when, I never forgot this, remember a long time ago, you talked about the fact that there were like, just breasts in the movie for no reason?

• 28:09Speaker 04

  I think it was Trading Places.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Trading Places, okay.

• 28:11Chris Ryan?

  Or maybe like a Lethal Weapon. No, it was Jamie Lee Curtis.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Unnecessary nudity. But there's no such thing as unnecessary nudity. All nudity is necessary. Hotness is a thing.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Tell that to Will Gluck.

• 28:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the Monica Barbaro director. What movie is that?

• 28:25Speaker 04

  Uh, One Night Only, yeah.

• 28:26Chris Ryan?

  I think that guy's just trying to drive up director's cut sales.

• 28:28Bill Simmons?

  By the way, that got passed around for three days. That was a great quote by him. I'll tell you something.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  And now we're waiting on the unrated edition.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Swordfish. I went to see Swordfish.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  For Travolta?

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Shut up. I was, I went to see Swordfish because Halle Berry was at her most powerful physical form in Swordfish. And for other reasons too, right? I went to see Halle Berry topless in Swordfish. That was the selling point of the movie.

• 28:55Bill Simmons?

  Heaven's Prisoners, Terry Hatcher was another one.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Same shit.

• 28:58Bill Simmons?

  Jacko and I would see that together. I told that story. I spilled popcorn right before the nude scene. You still mad about it?

• 29:03Speaker 02

  I bet you did, extra butter.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Mickey Rourke in diner.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  But that, to me, is a completely, to see beautiful people on screen.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  And to recognize that they're beautiful is a completely legitimate reason to go see a movie.

• 29:16Bill Simmons?

  This movie starts with her in bed wearing a t-shirt and the phone rings and she wakes up and rolls over as dad and then it's just like, yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  I don't disagree with you.

• 29:26Bill Simmons?

  We're off.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  And over the last three years of doing rewatchables, now in an eighties movie and there's not nudity, I'm like, what the fuck?

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  But, but.

• 29:32Chris Ryan?

  This is just vision quest. That's just like what we're doing.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  I don't really understand this at all.

• 29:36Bill Simmons?

  Just wait until about last night.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  The only, the one night only thing, it's honestly not even my, it was even the generation below me. Will Gluck was like, we test screened it and Gen Z doesn't want, doesn't feel comfortable seeing nudity in, in a movie theater. Which is crazy to me.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  I get it, but why should we give a fuck? These are the same group of people who won't go to a bar and talk to each other and then leave and have sex. Why would we? We used to do that and we had fun doing it. Why are we taking social cues and fucking advice and input from them? They're the ones complaining that they're lonely. Be lonely. Go out there. I'm just, I'm just being for real. Be lonely. I'm not tripping at all. I think it's a major problem. I hope everybody gets over it. We wasn't going through that shit.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  We like nudity in movies. We like going, looking at hot people. We like it. There's nothing to be ashamed of. You're a human fucking being. What the shit are we doing, bro?

• 30:25Bill Simmons?

  But we've talked about this on pods before about people were more used in the eighties and nineties to being in rooms with other people as nudity and sex was happening.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Well, the only place you could see it.

• 30:35Bill Simmons?

  And now it is a private thing and when we're in public, like the invite, when it seemed like everybody was gonna have sex.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:40Bill Simmons?

  You could feel, the theater I was in, I could feel the tension in the theater like, oh no, are we gonna have sex scenes?

• 30:46Speaker 04

  But in a good way, like in a way that was gonna pay.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  I don't know. The movie used it.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Oh, I think that tension helped the movie. No, I'm saying in the theater, people were like, is he gonna go down on her? And it was like, that was like, this, there was a palpable like tension in the movie.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Am I tripping? Are we just freak nasty dogs?

• 31:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Because we used to all go to a movie theater together to like watch this. I mean, is that, is it weird? No, now you got me rethinking it. But like, no, fuck it, I took my mind.

• 31:12Chris Ryan?

  No, you sounded like Vince Vaughn in Wedding Crashers. You're like needing you, wanting you. Singing about you.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  No, I fucking mean it.

• 31:19Chris Ryan?

  It's okay.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  I mean it. Like you, you would go to, the reason, why do you need a sex scene in a movie? Because people fuck in real life. They take their clothes off and they have sex. And if I go to the film, it is not to me, like it's part of the suspension of the reality that these two hot people had sex. Okay, what happens after this?

• 31:37Bill Simmons?

  Well, not, not to turn into Sean, but I think this starts in the seventies with the awakening of a bunch of different people and movies being used to push the sexuality. In Don't Look Now, Last Tango in Paris, they're trying to actually push the envelope and make people uncomfortable in the theater.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Midnight Cowboy a little bit.

• 31:55Bill Simmons?

  And that, and that just kept going and going.

• 31:57Chris Ryan?

  And then there was the exploitative eighties era where it was, it is kind of like Jamie Lee Curtis could have gotten through that scene without taking her top off. I'm, I'm not mad that she did.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:08Chris Ryan?

  But like, it's, it's like, and that's.

• 32:11Bill Simmons?

  It's a pretty important scene.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  I just don't wanna derail the pod as, as much as I, but I, if you go back and watch that scene, I could argue that there's a narrative reason why the titties was on.

• 32:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm just saying, in 2026, she probably would not have done that.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  But like Lethal Weapon opening with the woman who's topless and she jumps off the hotel.

• 32:27Chris Ryan?

  She had a drug problem though.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was, she was going through something.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Why don't you try to be?

• 32:31Speaker 04

  I'm not saying I dislike it. I, it was like, when I was going back and watching all these movies, I was like, man, this doesn't really happen now. Like you wouldn't go to a theater.

• 32:37Chris Ryan?

  Open a movie with a naked girl.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  And at the beginning of John Wick, there's a topless woman. It's just like not what happens now.

• 32:41Bill Simmons?

  Way to Craig sees about last night.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  They're going crazy in that bitch.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  I can't like it.

• 32:46Chris Ryan?

  Although, funnily enough, no, no nudity in this film, right?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  None.

• 32:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 32:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  And One Night Only, then the whole premise is like, this is one night a year we can have sex. You'd think you'd see nudity.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  So can I say something about the fact that there's no nudity in this movie? The fact that there's the, the.

• 33:01Chris Ryan?

  It's PG 13.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  It's PG 13. There is, uh, something really missing from this movie. And what's, shut up.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Two things.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  What's really, what's really recent, uh, what's really missing from this movie is the chemistry that's supposed to exist between Mark Wahlberg and Charlize.

• 33:19Chris Ryan?

  I have that later. I have that coming.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  And because they don't really.

• 33:22Bill Simmons?

  They seem like brother and sister.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't get into it. At the end, when they're on the gondola together, it, it, it seems very hollow and it doesn't range.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  They can't decide what they wanna do, cause like Donald Sutherland is a father figure to Mark Wahlberg, so I feel like they were like, wow, that'd be weird then if he starts dating Charlize Theron and is into her. But then I felt like they needed a romantic end to the movie to make it feel satisfying. So it's tricky.

• 33:42Bill Simmons?

  The fact that she Charlize carries a lot of that character, but I don't know what that character is supposed to be. Is she a nerd?

• 33:49Chris Ryan?

  I think the, it's the reverse problem is that Charlie is the, the weakest link.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:55Chris Ryan?

  I think Wahlberg is just kinda like, I'm a guy standing here in a t-shirt and I say, like, I'm nice to everybody, but like, there's no, there's no any, there's no juice to that character.

• 34:05Bill Simmons?

  No, he's just, it's a charisma only.

• 34:07Chris Ryan?

  He hasn't even seemed that smart. He's like the guy who plans everything, but he's like.

• 34:10Bill Simmons?

  Like a damaged, I never had my father.

• 34:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Bill Simmons?

  And now.

• 34:13Chris Ryan?

  Now I crack safes, but for the government.

• 34:17Bill Simmons?

  I just had no handle on her character. But guess what? I didn't really care, cause I was hanging out with Charlize for an hour and fifty. F. Gary Gray was the director. Just quite an IMDb for this guy.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:29Bill Simmons?

  Can I give you a couple of them?

• 34:30Speaker 04

  Please.

• 34:31Bill Simmons?

  His first movie that he directed was Friday.

• 34:35Bill Simmons?

  He did The Italian Job. He did Straight Outta Compton. He did Fat, Fate of the Furious. He did Law Abiding Citizen. It's basically, he did Be Cool. They've Negotiator, just action. Very good at action.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:50Bill Simmons?

  Wide shot, shit going down, things blowing up.

• 34:53Chris Ryan?

  Really, really, really solid action director.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, during this time, something else was, it was really interesting, something else really interesting was happening in Hollywood is that these, uh, career music video directors? That you had always seen at the bottom of the.

• 35:08Chris Ryan?

  Marcus Nispel, Gary Gray, yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Tim Story, like Beatty Boom, Hyatt Williams, all of these guys were getting their shot to be, uh, big time, fuck, Craig Robinson, I think. A lot of these guys were, were, were getting it. Not Craig Robinson, what's the guy's name? Black guy that did whatever, did a bunch of music videos. Was it, was it, was he the first Craig Robinson? He might have been. Anyway. All of these guys are getting their opportunities in Hollywood and it was interesting to see which ones of them were going to get a chance to make big, successful movies. Tim Story and F. Gary Gray were amongst the most successful guys to come out of that crop of people that were known as music video directors.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Chris Robinson?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Chris Robinson is who I'm talking about. Chris Robinson.

• 35:46Bill Simmons?

  How do you feel about the name F. Gary Gray as a director?

• 35:49Speaker 04

  I think it's cool.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  I think it's cool too. I like, I like.

• 35:51Bill Simmons?

  Did they call him Gary on set or they do?

• 35:53Speaker 02

  They do. They call him Gary.

• 35:55Bill Simmons?

  You think anybody calls him, uh, FGG like Joe House would if Joe House was on his set?

• 36:00Chris Ryan?

  FGG.

• 36:01Bill Simmons?

  Joe House called J. Com and J. K. M. for some reason.

• 36:04Chris Ryan?

  I like that.

• 36:05Bill Simmons?

  An entire pod.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  Can we talk about the music videos that he did?

• 36:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  He did It Was A Good Day, Ice Cube. Like he did, like, this is one of the guys. He did Natural Born Killers, Dr. Dre and Ice Cube, another crazy one. Fantastic Voyage, Coolio. Love that one.

• 36:19Bill Simmons?

  That's a great one.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  Did he do Pac, California Love?

• 36:23Speaker 02

  I don't think that he did. It's not listed on here.

• 36:25Bill Simmons?

  I gave you my Fantastic Voyage take last week.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 36:29Bill Simmons?

  I think it's the most underrated hip hop song of the nineties. Doesn't get it, do credit.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Oh, Fantastic Voyage, Coolio, you fuck with?

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Did you do this on mic? Did you say that?

• 36:37Bill Simmons?

  No, it was on text.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  No, I loved it. I loved the record. I loved the video. But look, keep their heads ringing, Dr. Dre. I mean, obviously that was for Friday.

• 36:44Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't get credit.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Waterfalls TLC, F. Gary Gray.

• 36:48Bill Simmons?

  Waterfalls, great video.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Waterfalls, great video. He was a pioneering.

• 36:52Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if you've seen on Spotify, a great platform.

• 36:56Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:56Bill Simmons?

  They have a lot of music videos now. If you click on the songs, you can watch.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:00Bill Simmons?

  Music videos of the song.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  What do you like about Fantastic Voyage, Coolio video so much and on the record too? What do you like about it?

• 37:07Bill Simmons?

  I just think the song's great and never gets discussed. When people talk about the great songs from that specific era, the first half of the nineties and hip hop and rap and all of the great artists that we had, and it's not mentioned.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Mine got overshadowed a little bit by Gangsta's Paradise.

• 37:23Bill Simmons?

  I think it has. I think that's the first Coolio song. And I told you, I'd, I'd, I think his name really hurt him.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  So you really?

• 37:29Bill Simmons?

  I, I just think Coolio was a bad name for rap.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  You were open for business during the East Coast, West Coast rap wars, huh?

• 37:35Bill Simmons?

  I was kinda more West Coast, to be honest.

• 37:38Speaker 04

  I didn't fuck with the West Coast at all.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. You didn't fuck with the West Coast at all?

• 37:41Speaker 04

  At all.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  I was all West Coast. Louisiana, we got to choose a side.

• 37:44Bill Simmons?

  I like Pac and the Dog Pound.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, those, that was my crew. Fuck with Pac. That was my guy. You know that was my guy.

• 37:50Chris Ryan?

  Pac, he loves Pac.

• 37:51Bill Simmons?

  Pac. I do. First year, when I, when I left ESPN, the first year of this podcast, that pictured me Roland as my, my opening thing for BS pod.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 38:02Bill Simmons?

  Picture me Roland and we did Friday Roland was the Friday show and tried to pay homage.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 38:07Bill Simmons?

  It's my guy.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:08Bill Simmons?

  Source words, I was very upset.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 38:10Bill Simmons?

  I didn't, I didn't like how that played out that year.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  You didn't like how, okay, so.

• 38:15Bill Simmons?

  I just felt like it was gonna end badly after that.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Oh, cuz it came to a head.

• 38:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Just wasn't gonna go well.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  We just don't have moments like that anymore. I remember when that hit the streets, like we was like, I can't believe that this was said.

• 38:27Bill Simmons?

  We don't have moments anymore. Now we just have somebody writing one of the biggest songs of all time and just destroying somebody else's career and then they played in sporting events for the next two years.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  I mean, that is a big deal, but like having, that happened.

• 38:40Bill Simmons?

  Back in the day, everyone just died.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  That, that onstage was like breaking kayfabe a little bit. It was like, oh, there was, there was like this tension and everyone knew that this tension exists, but then all of a sudden at this thing where everybody is there, it comes to a head and you could watch it. It was, we just were a little bit more innocent. So when something like that happened, we weren't getting that stuff on, on social media every day. It was all we could talk about for a little while.

• 39:04Bill Simmons?

  Did I ever tell you the time Jeff Ross and I wrote for Jimmy for the AMAs?

• 39:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  And Jimmy was scrambling around all these different locations during the show. So I was, I would go around with them to different things and we're coming around this, we're scrambling from being inside the theater to running out, go around this stairway, we're running up the stairway and Shug Knight's at the top of the stairway and taken by surprise by us and was like scary Shug Knight for a split second and then realized it was Jimmy.

• 39:31Chris Ryan?

  Two white guys were running up the stairs at him?

• 39:33Bill Simmons?

  And then kind of realized it was Jimmy and softened.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:36Bill Simmons?

  But for the split second, I saw scary Shug Knight.

• 39:39Chris Ryan?

  You saw balcony, balcony Sugar Knight, yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, hanging you off there, Vanilla Ice, Vanilla Bill.

• 39:43Bill Simmons?

  He's fucking big.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:45Bill Simmons?

  No, he's a big dude.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a part of it.

• 39:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's, he's very intimidating.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  College football player.

• 39:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:52Bill Simmons?

  It, you can feel it. Anyway, that's my Shug Knight story.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 39:55Bill Simmons?

  We were like, hey, Shug Knight. And Jimmy's like, how are you?

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Mr. Knight.

• 40:01Bill Simmons?

  Jimmy thing and then kind of diffused it.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was weird. Anyway, $60 million budget for Italian choppy. $176.1 million. It's a lot of money for oh three.

• 40:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  It's not bad. Is all of that domestic? How much domestic?

• 40:17Bill Simmons?

  Ebert, I don't know. Ebert, three stars.

• 40:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he was like, hell yeah.

• 40:21Bill Simmons?

  Slick caper movie, stupendous chase scenes, a truly ingenious way to steal 35 million in gold bars.

• 40:27Chris Ryan?

  Well.

• 40:28Bill Simmons?

  Two hours of mindless escapism. And then he wrote, if I had seen it, he saw that con, can, con, can?

• 40:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:35Bill Simmons?

  Can. If I had seen it instead of the can entry, the brown bunny, I would have wept with gratitude. Ebert, not a fan of the brown bunny.

• 40:43Chris Ryan?

  This is the same year.

• 40:44Bill Simmons?

  Huge fan.

• 40:45Chris Ryan?

  Gigantic fan. Vincent Gallo, not a fan of Roger Ebert.

• 40:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. Tough one. Anyway, we'll take a break, come back with most rewatchable scene. This episode is brought to you by Quince. Finding a decent piece of clothing can be a lot harder than finding a decent movie, but that was before Quince. Quince has staple pieces made from premium materials like 100% Mongolian cashmere and everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. It's the perfect place to start building a cozy fall outfit without any absurd markups. For instance, I love a good vest. They have a lightweight down packable puffer vest, which is an easy fall layer, although nobody loves layers more than Chris Ryan. Uh, you can throw it over a sweater, long sleeve, whenever you want to make an outfit feel a little more seasonal, simple,

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• 42:52Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene brought to you by the movie Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st. Jason Statham stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane. I like Plane.

• 43:03Chris Ryan?

  Me too.

• 43:04Bill Simmons?

  When an international conspiracy turns deadly, Statham goes off the grid on a one man mission.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:12Bill Simmons?

  To take down.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 43:14Bill Simmons?

  Those responsible.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 43:17Bill Simmons?

  Just call this Statham nine.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm there.

• 43:19Bill Simmons?

  All right, rewatchable scenes. Mention Charlize talking to her dad. I'm just throwing that in there.

• 43:24Chris Ryan?

  The first scene of her being like, hey dad, where are you?

• 43:26Bill Simmons?

  Her having a phone call.

• 43:27Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 43:28Bill Simmons?

  Uh, the safe heist, speedboat chase, everything.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 43:32Bill Simmons?

  Combine that together. Let's fucking go. Wow.

• 43:37Chris Ryan?

  Incredible, incredible setting, incredible use of gondola boats, uh, confusing but awesome, like underwater robbery stuff. I love that. Uh, yeah, just fantastic. A little confusing, but really fantastic.

• 43:50Bill Simmons?

  Has Venice ever not worked as a movie location?

• 43:52Chris Ryan?

  No, it's one of the most filmable places in the world.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  It just, people riding around on boats like their cars. It's amazing. The danger is there all the time. It makes it more dangerous.

• 44:01Chris Ryan?

  The light, the water, like, yeah, it's just incredible.

• 44:04Bill Simmons?

  Get Italians just getting mad at you for no reason.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 44:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Hey, one boat's moving slow, the other boat's moving fast, it's in the water.

• 44:12Chris Ryan?

  Ducking under the bridge.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  What's gonna happen?

• 44:14Bill Simmons?

  Seems great.

• 44:16Bill Simmons?

  Sutherland, uh, I really like his toast where he starts dispensing Donald, Donald Sutherland advice.

• 44:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:23Bill Simmons?

  I'll give you some. He, he's only in this movie for 15 minutes. Here's all his wisdom from the movie. Fine stands for freaked out and scared, neurotic and emotional.

• 44:35Bill Simmons?

  Trust everyone, just don't trust the devil inside them.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 44:40Bill Simmons?

  The ones who steal to enrich their lives or the ones who steal to define their lives, don't be the latter. Steal to enrich your life. Sending presents doesn't make you a good father. Find someone you want to spend the rest of your life with and hold on to her forever. And he gets shot.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  He gets shot.

• 45:01Bill Simmons?

  Somebody, this guy was Mr. Miyagi in waiting and it just got, got fucking gunned down.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  You know what the, so they're criminals, right? But you know what the movie does? In that the short time that he's in the movie, they make him a character worth missing.

• 45:13Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  You could tell that like everybody's life is gonna be.

• 45:16Bill Simmons?

  They grew it up. I love you, I love you kid.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 45:19Chris Ryan?

  Emphasize that character enough so that his death is shocking.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:22Bill Simmons?

  It is shocking.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of Mission Impossible. You know how at the beginning of the movie, John Voight is in the film and then the team gets fucked up. They do something really awesome in that movie, which is they just take him out of the situation, which when he comes back, you're like, oh my God, it's very exciting. But this one, you believe that these people will coalesce around each other to get revenge for their, for their master who's been killed.

• 45:45Bill Simmons?

  Good crew. And then we get the double cross. So I, I guess that's three different scenes, but I think this whole first 20 minutes.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Thing at the end.

• 45:53Bill Simmons?

  It's like 20, first 22.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  It's really good.

• 45:55Chris Ryan?

  There's actually like basically five scenes in this movie.

• 45:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Chris Ryan?

  You know, it's like.

• 46:01Bill Simmons?

  Kind of moving around.

• 46:01Chris Ryan?

  It's like Venice, Philly and three LA scenes.

• 46:06Bill Simmons?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:06Chris Ryan?

  Skinny Pete, the Ukrainians, yeah.

• 46:09Bill Simmons?

  Good double cross, evil Ed Norton, seems like the only time he enjoyed being in the movie.

• 46:13Chris Ryan?

  Uh, when you re, when you watched it the first time this time, did you remember the double cross?

• 46:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I remember the double cross cuz you know Norton's the bad guy.

• 46:24Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:25Bill Simmons?

  But, uh, I like when the, when people are underwater in a scene like this and everybody, the villains always make the same mistake where they fire bullets and they're like, all right, we got him. Let's go, let's go celebrate.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  I'll say, I'll say.

• 46:39Bill Simmons?

  I'm just staying another five minutes.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  I'll say, this is the worst one maybe ever.

• 46:43Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  This is the worst of all.

• 46:45Bill Simmons?

  Cause he knows they have the scuba gear in the car.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Uh, also the water's freezing. So if, if you, if you stand there for a second, they're all, they're, they're A, gonna run out of air, but B, hypothermia is gonna sit in, like they're cooked. It's over. There's no.

• 46:58Bill Simmons?

  It's beyond an epic.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:00Bill Simmons?

  If the bullets or the hypothermia, something's killing them.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Right. At some point you have to leave because there's been a lot of shooting and stuff like that and maybe the authorities are gonna come, but you're in the remote area.

• 47:09Chris Ryan?

  It is on the border. You're probably in a very hot spot. Yeah.

• 47:12Bill Simmons?

  I like being in the Alps. That was fun.

• 47:14Chris Ryan?

  Loved it.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 47:15Bill Simmons?

  Uh, next scene Charlize fixes Ed Norton's cable.

• 47:23Bill Simmons?

  It's great.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 47:24Bill Simmons?

  She's like, oh, I just flipped the switch. It's working now.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:27Chris Ryan?

  He's like, cool. You wanna go to?

• 47:29Bill Simmons?

  Wanna have dinner?

• 47:30Chris Ryan?

  Wanna go to Wolfgang Park?

• 47:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I like scenes like this where somebody has to pretend they have a normal job, but they're way too attractive to have that job.

• 47:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:40Bill Simmons?

  Um, I don't know. I enjoyed the whole thing. Norton kills the diamonds guy. Charlize and Ed Norton have a date.

• 47:47Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 47:49Bill Simmons?

  I liked him right up until the moment I shot him.

• 47:54Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:56Bill Simmons?

  Also, this gives us a staple for one of these movies. Who are you working with? Somebody comes out of the back.

• 48:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:01Bill Simmons?

  She's with us. And then, uh, you should have seen how your daddy begged for his life. I think I'd had a good time in this scene.

• 48:09Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 48:10Bill Simmons?

  It's one of like, there's three scenes where he tries in this movie.

• 48:13Chris Ryan?

  Maybe he knew he was gonna get to sleep in his own bed that night, you know?

• 48:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:17Chris Ryan?

  Hit a bar on the way home. It was good. They were getting him out of there at eight P M.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  I think everything in, in, in Italy, he was, he was pretty much dialed in a little bit.

• 48:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:24Chris Ryan?

  It felt like. It's really at his house and the last chase scene. It seems like he's like, what the fuck am I doing?

• 48:28Bill Simmons?

  What's happening here? Hollywood Boulevard car chase. We have the three cars beating the subway train is great. We have the road blowing up right in front of, uh, basically the man theater. We have this, the, uh, safe switch. I like the thing where it's the three safes and they have to guess which safe it is or which, which truck it is. Uh, we get an L A River chase, which, by the way, it's a live and die in L A right behind you. L A River chase, also undefeated.

• 48:56Chris Ryan?

  Every single time.

• 48:56Bill Simmons?

  Venice and Gondolas, L A River. I've never not enjoyed a chase in either one of those places.

• 49:01Chris Ryan?

  Terminator two.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Two.

• 49:02Bill Simmons?

  And then some really high end, kinda how the fuck did they do this? Why didn't, this could have been to a really bad situation. The helicopter stuff. Like the helicopter is fucking low.

• 49:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:15Bill Simmons?

  It feels like it's like a fifty foot ceiling in that last, I don't know how they did that. It seemed dangerous. Maybe that's why Ed Norton wasn't happy.

• 49:23Chris Ryan?

  I don't think he was actually in the helicopter.

• 49:26Bill Simmons?

  Steve gets caught would be the last one. You're right. No imagination. Uh, what do you got for most rewatchable?

• 49:32Chris Ryan?

  One addition is just the putting the team together and the backstories scene.

• 49:36Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 49:37Chris Ryan?

  I love putting the team together and.

• 49:40Bill Simmons?

  Why is it called Left Air?

• 49:41Chris Ryan?

  Exactly.

• 49:41Bill Simmons?

  Why is it called Handsome Rob?

• 49:42Chris Ryan?

  Why is it called Napster?

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I got that one in the next category, but the driving range scene where we meet Skinny Pete.

• 49:49Bill Simmons?

  Love. You like Skinny Pete?

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Love Skinny Pete.

• 49:52Bill Simmons?

  What happened to Skinny Pete? Seen other stuff?

• 49:54Chris Ryan?

  I can't say, yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  But Mos Def is really good in that scene.

• 49:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  We didn't talk a lot about Mos Def, but like, at this particular point, Mos Def is ascending rapidly.

• 50:06Bill Simmons?

  It was a big deal that he was in this movie.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:08Chris Ryan?

  What was the Bruce Willis movie he was in? It's like, something twelve blocks or something like that?

• 50:13Bill Simmons?

  Twelve blocks.

• 50:13Chris Ryan?

  Twelve blocks?

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, so he's in that, then, you know, of course, he's in, uh, he's in Brown Sugar. And then he does the Michelle, Michelle Gondry movie, which is Be Kind Rewind. Like, he is legitimately one of the ones that people are going, okay, for like the next X amount of years, Mos Def is gonna be one of the biggest stars in Hollywood.

• 50:29Bill Simmons?

  How do you feel about that name choice?

• 50:31Chris Ryan?

  Mos Def?

• 50:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 50:34Bill Simmons?

  You like it?

• 50:34Speaker 02

  He goes by, you know, Yassine Bay now, but like, I love Mos Def. Mos Def is a, to me, a staple creative of that era.

• 50:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, so it's just like, the Black Star record and the first Mos Def solo records are both like flawless.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 50:47Bill Simmons?

  Worst name choice out of all the name choices?

• 50:52Chris Ryan?

  Uh, out of all the name choices for rappers?

• 50:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 50:54Chris Ryan?

  You should get, there's some way worse rap names.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're talking about, you think Mos Def is about him?

• 50:58Bill Simmons?

  I'm not saying him, I'm saying what's your least favorite?

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Oh, what's the worst one? Cause you, you said Coolio earlier was, was terrible.

• 51:03Bill Simmons?

  Coolio's tough. It just sounds like a place you get ice cream. It's like, wanna go to Coolio's? They have, they have Aron Sherbert today.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  It's Coolio. I would say, not, there's not to pick on him, cause the, the whole song is about picking on him, but Skeelo. Which was a little bit taller guy. He's like, we're never gonna be, Skeelo's not, that's a tough one. But now, to me, the worse they are, the better they end up being.

• 51:28Bill Simmons?

  The movie's just to use your real name.

• 51:29Chris Ryan?

  Do you feel like Bubba Sparks could have been bigger if he wasn't named Bubba Sparks?

• 51:33Speaker 02

  See, the thing is, that's a good question. The thing is that because he was Bubba Sparks.

• 51:37Chris Ryan?

  It's why he was big in the first place.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  That kinda made us go, okay, this is a white guy, Bubba Sparks. He's Bubba, but he's hot, he's Bubba Sparks shit. Let's give him a chance. And then he did it. And we, you know, we won't fuck with him.

• 51:47Bill Simmons?

  Do you think LL Cool J was a good name or no?

• 51:50Speaker 02

  At that, at that point, it was a perfect name.

• 51:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, LL was like a crazy good name.

• 51:53Bill Simmons?

  Cause he just became LL.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, at that point, it was a perfect name.

• 51:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but when you know what the acronym stands for, it gets worse. Ladies Love Cool James.

• 52:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but back when he came out, that was cool.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  You know, Craig, go fuck yourself. It, it, it, it's like.

• 52:08Chris Ryan?

  I'm sorry, Ladies Love Cool James is not cool.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Just, you know, we're not gonna, we're not, once again, your generation, you know what? You know what? Your generation, I don't love the ladies. The ladies don't love y'all. I mean, you're doing well.

• 52:19Chris Ryan?

  I'm calling it like this.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's one of the best.

• 52:22Chris Ryan?

  Ladies Love Cool James is lame.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  It's one of the best names ever. Ladies love them. Do ladies love LL Cool J?

• 52:26Chris Ryan?

  I hope the air conditioner never comes back on in this room. And we just like, don't be litigating rappers.

• 52:34Bill Simmons?

  Do you remind me, I gotta turn the air conditioning up? Um, all right, back to the pod.

• 52:40Bill Simmons?

  What do we pick for most rewatchable?

• 52:41Chris Ryan?

  Oh, so my most rewatchable is actually the opening, the Venice stuff.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  That's easily, it's easily the answer, yeah.

• 52:46Bill Simmons?

  It's one of those, if it's coming on, you wanna bang it out.

• 52:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 52:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Bill Simmons?

  I agree. If you're a fan of The Beach Keepers, The Meg or The Expendables, this is exactly the kinda movie you'd wanna see Statham in.

• 52:58Bill Simmons?

  One of the defining action stars the last twenty five years doing what he does best. Die Hard on a Boat. That's what they floated.

• 53:05Chris Ryan?

  Is Mutiny?

• 53:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Mutiny, only in theaters August twenty first. Rated R for strong bloody violence.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  I'm going.

• 53:11Bill Simmons?

  And language.

• 53:12Chris Ryan?

  And language.

• 53:13Bill Simmons?

  Don't need to sell the three of us. What is the most two thousand three thing about this movie?

• 53:18Chris Ryan?

  It's a very, very specific experience.

• 53:20Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's one of the best, easiest answers we've had.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 53:23Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's.

• 53:25Chris Ryan?

  Obviously, it's Lyle saying he invented Napster.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Napster, yeah.

• 53:28Chris Ryan?

  But I also have a subcategory for this, which is, this was the last moment where a hacker character could just say a lot of mumbo jumbo and the audience was like, sounds right. Where he's like, I have a techtronic codex that's gonna read the magnesium and you're like, okay.

• 53:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:47Chris Ryan?

  This guy sounds like a fucking genius, you know? Now we'd all be like, I fucking write about A I. I don't think that's how it works or whatever.

• 53:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:53Chris Ryan?

  But like back then, this was the one moment where you still had true geeks who were like, I lord over this tech stuff so that you guys don't have to worry about it.

• 54:03Bill Simmons?

  I have Lyle inventing Napster is one of the easiest answers.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, yeah, it's.

• 54:07Bill Simmons?

  I don't even, by two thousand six, nobody's being angry that they invented Napster.

• 54:11Chris Ryan?

  Also, just the fact that Sean Fanning gets forty seconds of screen time in this movie.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  I think actually, the Napster thing was already long in the tooth by the time this came out.

• 54:23Bill Simmons?

  It was like the last year.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  It was the last year.

• 54:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Cause he was.

• 54:26Chris Ryan?

  But they, obviously in the movie, they're like, this dude is Zuckerberg. Like, this is Steve Jobs. This is gonna be like, when people look back, they're gonna be like, I can't believe the world's richest man is in this movie. And it's like, obviously not, you know?

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Didn't happen, yeah.

• 54:39Bill Simmons?

  I have, uh, Hollywood Boulevard seeming like alive and great. Cause it, it really was in oh three. It was, it was in great shape. He wanted to go there and now I don't think he do.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Well, it had, when I first got out here, it wasn't oh three, it was oh six. But Hollywood Boulevard had been revitalized to where it was the, the hub of everything.

• 55:01Bill Simmons?

  They spent like a billion dollars revitalizing it.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  And that lasted because even when I was out here a little after that, Hollywood was still teeming with life on a Friday night with young people going to the club and all of that stuff. And it just ended.

• 55:17Chris Ryan?

  It ended at COVID.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it just, it just, it just ended. And now it's kinda like.

• 55:21Bill Simmons?

  I'm starting to think COVID wasn't great.

• 55:23Chris Ryan?

  I was always more of a Sunset guy.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 55:25Bill Simmons?

  You were more of a Sunset guy?

• 55:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. What's your favorite Sunset bar all time?

• 55:30Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 55:30Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's a good question.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  The Den?

• 55:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, gone now.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Gone, yeah. The Den was awesome.

• 55:37Chris Ryan?

  The Den was great. Where's Jumbo's?

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Jumbo's.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  Would you wanna have somebody to talk? Jumbo's is awesome. Jumbo's is.

• 55:50Chris Ryan?

  Jumbo's is on Hollywood, right?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:52Chris Ryan?

  Hollywood.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  Oh, it's, but it's east.

• 55:54Chris Ryan?

  It's east.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  It's east, yeah. Very, very east, like Little Armenia, basically.

• 55:59Bill Simmons?

  One more two thousand three thing about this movie? Seth Green's like really important in it?

• 56:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:05Bill Simmons?

  And it was right near the end, but three years later, he's on Entourage as East Foil. But he, I thought Seth Green was really good in this. The Floyd Gondoli Butter in My Ass, Lollipops in My Mouth Award for Something I Just Enjoy. What do you have, C R?

• 56:20Chris Ryan?

  Just anytime the head of a crew is like, this is this guy's job, this is what this guy does, this is what this guy does. Why do they call him Handsome Rob? Cause he's handsome.

• 56:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Chris Ryan?

  It's like, it is one of the most repeatable pleasures in cinema, is introducing a crew.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  An origin montage, as I have done, and just like, all of these guys and how they got their star. Also, gold bars in movies.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Just love movies where it's like gold bars.

• 56:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Bill Simmons?

  I don't know whether they should be 10 times more expensive or 10 times less expensive.

• 56:51Chris Ryan?

  But Yevan does a good job explaining the criminal mindset about gold and like the untraceability of it and all that stuff. It's good.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Um, also the fried cable bit here, they do that in movies all the time where your cable's fried. And then they go in undercover to like get a lay on you or like put to bug your shit. I love that because that's actually how they bugged Paul Castellano. They actually did that in real life. The government like messed up his TV, then sent people in to fix the TV. Then bugged his shit and that's where it comes from.

• 57:27Bill Simmons?

  My Floyd is, uh, I like it movies when they mess with the stoplights in the intersections. It's like, watch this.

• 57:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:36Bill Simmons?

  And then just everybody.

• 57:37Chris Ryan?

  But for LA, it's like very, I mean, this is a very specific LA traffic movie that I think is actually fairly accurate. Like in terms of like its geography and stuff like that. Like it'll be like how hard it is to get from, from Highland over down to Union Station and everything and like, it's very good, very good.

• 57:55Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? One Last Job.

• 57:58Chris Ryan?

  Well, I don't know.

• 57:58Bill Simmons?

  For Sutherland, it was a one last job.

• 58:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, for Sutherland it was.

• 58:01Bill Simmons?

  I like anytime it's set in a movie. The LA River as an action location.

• 58:08Bill Simmons?

  I have early 2000s Mini Coopers. Which I don't feel like they make them.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Age the best?

• 58:14Bill Simmons?

  I just, I like that era of Mini Coopers. How, how small and kind of fast and they felt like they had some connection to James Bond movies and now I don't think that.

• 58:23Chris Ryan?

  I think that BMW had just redone their engines.

• 58:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:26Chris Ryan?

  Back then. So that's why they were such hot shit.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  I, I'll be interested to see if you guys think that, you know, this is the Mini Cooper Apex Mountain. I have something else.

• 58:35Bill Simmons?

  Um, here's a what's age the best. All the cast members did their own driving. They all said Charlize was the best of all the drivers.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:44Bill Simmons?

  I'm cooking.

• 58:46Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't, doesn't need a husband.

• 58:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:49Bill Simmons?

  Just one night stands and she's a better driver than you. She's just the fucking best. Uh, Most Def. Most Def was the worst driver because he was from New York City and didn't drive.

• 59:00Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 59:00Bill Simmons?

  So had to actually learn how to drive. Uh, what do you got for what's age the best?

• 59:04Chris Ryan?

  Uh, just real vehicles doing real chases in real places.

• 59:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Chris Ryan?

  Dan?

• 59:09Speaker 02

  So a bunch of things. The smoking desk counter that looked different, but it still exists. You still drive by to, a bunch of people died from smoking. Uh, like the price of a grenade launcher. So they, they.

• 59:23Chris Ryan?

  The economics of this movie will be discussed in, in depth.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Like, so they go there and it's like, they give them all this stuff and they go like, I need a grenade launcher. It's $5,000. I was like, you know, a grenade launcher must be much more expensive. You probably can't get one for $5,000. So I went and looked. I actually typed that in the search, which probably shouldn't have done. And not only are grenade launchers like lawful, but you can get one for like two grand. You can get a grenade launcher, a lawful grenade launcher. You have to be ATF registered, but you can get a grenade launcher for two grand.

• 59:49Chris Ryan?

  What possible use could you have for a grenade launcher?

• 59:51Bill Simmons?

  I mean, I don't know. That makes me nervous.

• 59:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:53Bill Simmons?

  Remember in Miami Vice, Bruce Willis is buying those grenades you could shoot at the planes?

• 59:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Bill Simmons?

  And those were like 80K. So the price dropped?

• 1:00:00Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, like the, the, the, the, the money that gets spent versus the money that's coming in will be a discussion.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  So two more.

• 1:00:09Bill Simmons?

  Is that your flex?

• 1:00:10Chris Ryan?

  No, I just wanted to get into it. That's more of a pick and net.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  So two more things. One, both Korean driving ranges have aged the best.

• 1:00:17Chris Ryan?

  K-Town.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  And terrifying Samoan dudes. Which is a thing around LA. You know, you go below the 10, the Samoan brothers down there are going crazy.

• 1:00:26Chris Ryan?

  And, and those dudes are honored in Den of Thieves.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. The, yeah. So they've, they've aged the best. Yeah. So, you know.

• 1:00:32Chris Ryan?

  I've been to that driving range a bunch. That's a cool place.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  And last thing, the shop owner in this actually predicts the financial crisis.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  He legitimately was all these poor bastards putting their monies in banks and SNL and mutual funds. What do they think? When the collapse comes, they can depend on the government? The collapse came like five years later and everybody was fucking screwed. Yeah. So.

• 1:00:54Bill Simmons?

  That's the winner. Great shot. Gordo Award. Would you go?

• 1:00:58Chris Ryan?

  There's a.

• 1:00:59Bill Simmons?

  Sutherland's body popping out of the water?

• 1:01:00Chris Ryan?

  I know. I had the, the pan up out of Venice and then the pan down into the Alps.

• 1:01:05Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the sky, when they show the sky. That's good. Chess Rock World Brock Lander's award, best character name. Left ear is pretty good.

• 1:01:11Chris Ryan?

  I gotta go Handsome Rob.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  I gotta go Skinny Pete.

• 1:01:15Bill Simmons?

  Good names in this movie. Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award, best needle drop. That California soul song?

• 1:01:20Chris Ryan?

  It's a great song. There's also just a lot of.

• 1:01:22Bill Simmons?

  It's used in a lot of movies.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  It's used in a lot and at this point it bothered me when I heard it in this movie.

• 1:01:27Chris Ryan?

  But I think it was kind of like a digging in the crates find back then. I also like a lot of.

• 1:01:32Bill Simmons?

  It's in focus too.

• 1:01:33Chris Ryan?

  Like the, the radio techno that they play while guys are driving around.

• 1:01:36Bill Simmons?

  Hmm. Was there a better title for this movie?

• 1:01:40Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's more of an LA job.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably the Hollywood job.

• 1:01:44Bill Simmons?

  They, they do say the name.

• 1:01:46Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:01:47Bill Simmons?

  They do say the Italian chef. Uh, CR flex category, you did it already.

• 1:01:51Chris Ryan?

  My flexes.

• 1:01:52Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. Let's go. Let's talk about the money.

• 1:01:57Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay. Uh.

• 1:01:58Bill Simmons?

  Or we could do that.

• 1:01:59Chris Ryan?

  I know they make $27 million in their heist. But to my eyes, just on like the outlay of funds for the two heists, I think they might be coming out like a couple million in the black.

• 1:02:12Bill Simmons?

  They're basically the Dodgers. They're spending 1.2 billion dollars on players to make 400 million dollars. I, I don't understand the gold. Don't you think the gold should have been worth like 130 million dollars?

• 1:02:26Chris Ryan?

  So they, when they initially steal it in Italy, it's 35 billion, right? And Norton sells.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  He gets off a couple bars. Yeah.

• 1:02:31Chris Ryan?

  And but so at the end of the movie, they steal 27, which means Norton has only spent eight? Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Chris Ryan?

  And with those eight million dollars in 2003, he buys a 12,000 square foot mansion in, in LA. He has his own private security. He's like an army. Yeah. He has like an army and that's all just in the eight million dollars he spent.

• 1:02:47Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:48Chris Ryan?

  He has three armored trucks taking money to the airport. He has a helicopter.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Well, he might have had other bread before the heist.

• 1:02:53Chris Ryan?

  He also saved money by only wearing, uh, tank tops and watching CNBC all day.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  I'll wear my Radner's wardrobe.

• 1:03:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And then the movie ends, so they give some of the money to the Ukrainians. What, how much do you think of the 27 million they give to the Ukrainians? Ukrainians could ask for all of it. Everybody gets scared of it.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  You have to give them at least, at least seven.

• 1:03:12Bill Simmons?

  Seven? Also, how much would it cost just to do these jobs?

• 1:03:15Chris Ryan?

  Well, that's the thing is that the outlay of money to get the warehouses, the cars, the technology, everybody's eating, sleeping, whatever, on and on and on. I'm not saying it costs 27 million dollars, but like, did Mark Wahlberg just have that lying around? Yeah, like Most Def is not going to be able to pay the property taxes on his new Spanish villa he bought.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  I always wonder about.

• 1:03:35Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of books in there too. First editions.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Obviously I have this, like, like I have this, everybody has this because it doesn't seem like that much money was, I wonder if it was the time. I mean, this is basically like Kevin Herter's contract at this point. So like it, it, do.

• 1:03:47Bill Simmons?

  It's so funny. I was thinking about NBA contracts too.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like 20, 27 million for three.

• 1:03:53Bill Simmons?

  Basically Jordan Poole is going to make more money this year than they did.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  They do the entire deal, bro. The whole fucking thing. It's like they, he's got more breadth in him. So unless you want to go live in Baton Rouge, this money not gonna stick.

• 1:04:04Bill Simmons?

  You split it. It's five people. So now it's five and a half million each.

• 1:04:09Chris Ryan?

  It would be incredibly funny though, if they did like, uh, the way they're doing all the videos now where guys are like, look, 10 million, 5 million goes to Uncle Sam, right? You gotta buy, so like if you had Charlie, it'd be like 27 million. Well, I spent 20 just on shit to get these heists rolling.

• 1:04:25Bill Simmons?

  Why are these videos? Why is this one of the things that's happened this summer?

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Because the videos get a lot of engagement, but.

• 1:04:32Chris Ryan?

  But it's the same video every time.

• 1:04:34Bill Simmons?

  Don't people know at this point that, yeah, I made 100 million. Taxes, I'm down to 50.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  I'll just be honest with you. People never get sick of how somebody made money and people never get sick of how they fucked it up.

• 1:04:45Bill Simmons?

  But we did, when we did Broke, that was like the most watched 30, 30 I think we had. Yeah.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  It's like.

• 1:04:50Bill Simmons?

  Other than the you.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. People, you gotta pay taxes. You gotta pay your agents. You gotta pay all of this stuff. Like we've heard the story, but people just never get, they never get sick of how you fuck your money up. Never.

• 1:05:01Bill Simmons?

  Sounds like a podcast.

• 1:05:02Chris Ryan?

  But they all walked away with like two, three million each probably, right? Maybe four?

• 1:05:05Bill Simmons?

  No, because they didn't pay taxes because this was, they were stealing money.

• 1:05:08Chris Ryan?

  Well, this also exists in a universe outside of law enforcement because there is none in this entire.

• 1:05:13Bill Simmons?

  So this is the bigger question for the, for the risk, for the amount of money they made. They blew up Hollywood Boulevard. It's this giant hole.

• 1:05:21Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. To say nothing other than fact.

• 1:05:23Bill Simmons?

  Not to mention, like, was anyone hurt in the explosion?

• 1:05:26Chris Ryan?

  This is 03, so after 9/11, a criminal is flying low, at low altitude helicopter runs.

• 1:05:35Bill Simmons?

  A year and a half after 9/11.

• 1:05:36Chris Ryan?

  Strafing Hollywood. There's no fucking way.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  That's the biggest nit. The biggest nit is if you guys never been out here before, you gonna look or you gonna see police helicopters all in the sky. They're up there for 60 seconds. They scramble the LAPD to ghetto burn and it's up there and the whole fucking plan is fucked.

• 1:05:53Bill Simmons?

  We don't see cops ever in the last half hour of this movie.

• 1:05:56Chris Ryan?

  Do we see a cop in this movie?

• 1:05:57Bill Simmons?

  They're flying around LA, LA, the LA River, just driving around.

• 1:06:00Chris Ryan?

  There's cops in Venice. Oh, okay. But.

• 1:06:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I don't see how this was worth. I, I think the gold bar, I think the mistake is the gold bar should have been worth like 100 million bucks.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  It should have been 100 million bucks.

• 1:06:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Like real, real big stakes. It's not.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  And which is interesting because Ocean's Eleven comes out before this.

• 1:06:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  And the take from Ocean's Eleven was like what?

• 1:06:19Chris Ryan?

  60s?

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  60, 60 some odd million dollars or something like that. So at least they knew that it had to be a significant sum of money.

• 1:06:26Bill Simmons?

  Do you think it's because they had to, they had to match what gold was worth?

• 1:06:31Chris Ryan?

  It was 160 million in Ocean's Eleven.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  See what I'm saying? Like that, that's, that's enough money to.

• 1:06:35Chris Ryan?

  You gotta split that 11 ways.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  I know. So, but that makes a lot of sense though. You split that 11 ways and you give a lot of money to the crew. Yeah.

• 1:06:42Chris Ryan?

  Eight years previous, Neil McCauley takes down the bank in downtown LA and that's between 12.2 and 12.8 million. Now they don't get away with it, but that is half of what those guys take. With very little of the.

• 1:06:56Bill Simmons?

  By the way, you could argue that wasn't enough.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  It not, it wasn't, but it was a high profile.

• 1:07:00Chris Ryan?

  Did the motherboards, the cameras were cut?

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. The Neil and them was making a lot of money and stuff for Shurhulus who spent all his shit. How much money, because Shurhulus gets away with some of it. How much?

• 1:07:08Bill Simmons?

  But Shurhulus was like Stan Humphries. He's going to beat the Niners. I'm telling you guys, it's gonna happen.

• 1:07:14Chris Ryan?

  Shurhulus has like a duffel bag full of cash and I think Nate hooks him up with some more.

• 1:07:18Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:19Chris Ryan?

  That'll be part of Heat 2.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:22Bill Simmons?

  I watched, uh, like an hour of Top Gun Maverick last night. This was on.

• 1:07:29Bill Simmons?

  I think the scene when he, when Goose plays

• 1:07:34Bill Simmons?

  a piano scene, when it hits Maverick. Maverick gets sad outside the bar and Jennifer Connelly realizes. Maybe the most rewatchable scene of this century. Or this decade. The 2020s.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  He just sees his friend, he's like.

• 1:07:49Bill Simmons?

  That whole scene, they're playing pool. Everybody's together, you get to meet everybody.

• 1:07:53Chris Ryan?

  If you get bored this month, we should do most rewatchable scenes of the 2020s.

• 1:07:59Bill Simmons?

  Of the 2020s. I think start to finish, I think that might be the most rewatchable scene, cause Cruz. But then the other one is the Val Kilmer scene.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  That's distinctly not rewatchable.

• 1:08:10Bill Simmons?

  Are you kidding?

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  That's kinda.

• 1:08:11Bill Simmons?

  You have to let go and Cruz fucking goes there.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Bill Simmons?

  Cruz gets choked up.

• 1:08:19Bill Simmons?

  And he's like. Can't, I can't.

• 1:08:23Chris Ryan?

  I watched for, I watched for the coffee quarter, like.

• 1:08:26Bill Simmons?

  Well, then you get that at the end, but.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  The most rewatchable scenes, juke joint scene, sinners. I think is highly rewatchable.

• 1:08:34Bill Simmons?

  That's a really good one. See, this would be a good argument.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which scene? The juke joint scene in Sinners.

• 1:08:38Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst? Talked about the money. Uh, they rely on that song, that money song. Play it twice, they play it. Money!

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:50Bill Simmons?

  Yes. That song has sucked forever.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  You don't like it?

• 1:08:53Bill Simmons?

  Come up with a better song, you're spending all this money on the movie. Here's the thing. I sent you a clip of this. This is also the Ed Norton reverse dunk award for did this movie need a random sports scene? Ironically, Ed Norton. We have Wahlberg dressed up to play basketball. We have Jason Statham there. And yet we only see a snippet of a basketball scene and it involves Jason Statham playing some of the worst defense I've ever seen in a basketball court.

• 1:09:23Chris Ryan?

  I think the more damning thing is that he doesn't know how to check ball.

• 1:09:27Bill Simmons?

  He doesn't, it's literally, he doesn't even know what's happening.

• 1:09:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:31Bill Simmons?

  And Wahlberg's going by him and it's like, he didn't even realize you could do that.

• 1:09:34Chris Ryan?

  They're not playing, they're not playing ball in London in 03. Like, it's, it's a foreign concept to him.

• 1:09:40Bill Simmons?

  Lean into it and be like, this guy's never played basketball.

• 1:09:43Chris Ryan?

  He's wearing a Lonsdale sweatshirt and I almost wonder whether he was like, are we gonna do boxing today? And they're like, no, we couldn't get the gym, so you guys are gonna be in the outdoor basketball court.

• 1:09:50Bill Simmons?

  He's like, what's that?

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  I wonder about this though, from a Mark Wahlberg standpoint as well.

• 1:09:55Bill Simmons?

  So good hooper.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  You, I mean, is this.

• 1:09:57Bill Simmons?

  Basketball diarist, he was good.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Is he?

• 1:09:59Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Okay, cause like.

• 1:10:01Bill Simmons?

  Leo is the weak link in basketball diarists.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  I always wondered about this, cause he puts basketball in a lot of movies. I wonder if he was out there.

• 1:10:06Bill Simmons?

  No, he's a real hooper. Him, Sandler, Clooney, I think those guys.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  I don't know if he killing like that, bro, I'ma be real.

• 1:10:11Bill Simmons?

  No, I'm saying for an actor, he's a good hooper.

• 1:10:14Chris Ryan?

  From, when he's shooting in the warehouse, they keep cutting away and like you hear swish and you're like, alright, man.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  Okay, so. The final one they keep. He has one shot where he makes it.

• 1:10:23Bill Simmons?

  Basketball diarist, he's good though.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  I don't know, Bill.

• 1:10:25Bill Simmons?

  For an actor?

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  I'm just, Bill, I'm saying. Like, was he, you tell me, on the streets of South Boston, AKA Mississippi? Was he killing people and like going, and going nuts? It was like, it, it, seriously, he puts basketball, Marky Mark played basketball? He played basketball, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch? Plays basketball and he plays basketball in a lot of different movies.

• 1:10:46Bill Simmons?

  Compared to Woody Harrelson? Who is an actual really good basketball player.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah.

• 1:10:52Bill Simmons?

  He's not good like that.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:10:54Bill Simmons?

  But I think for an actor. You know.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  One on one against Dave Jacoby.

• 1:10:59Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Jacoby would kill him.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  Okay, there you go.

• 1:11:01Bill Simmons?

  House now with a fake hip would probably beat Mark Wahlberg.

• 1:11:04Chris Ryan?

  Did House get a hip replacement?

• 1:11:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, House had a one hip.

• 1:11:07Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  But House, you say House could hoop like that?

• 1:11:10Bill Simmons?

  House was great.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Hmm, I can see it.

• 1:11:12Bill Simmons?

  House was the most fun guy to play with.

• 1:11:14Chris Ryan?

  You're talking about him like he's Bernard King.

• 1:11:15Bill Simmons?

  I had so much fun playing with House. He was great.

• 1:11:18Chris Ryan?

  But I thought, aren't you guys both connective tissue guys? Like, aren't you guys both like connectors?

• 1:11:23Bill Simmons?

  So is Jacoby.

• 1:11:23Chris Ryan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:11:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:24Chris Ryan?

  It's like Princeton, you know?

• 1:11:26Bill Simmons?

  Love him. My two favorite guys I've ever played with. Jacoby.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Jacoby and House.

• 1:11:31Bill Simmons?

  And House.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Can we, my flex is associated with the Wahlberg basketball thing.

• 1:11:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  I think we need an award for this moment, like when he's shooting hoops and they cut to, and he's like, what about the Italian job? And he like swishes. I feel like that is a moment that Mark Wahlberg demanded be in the movie, cause he's like, I'm good at basketball. That wasn't in the script.

• 1:11:48Bill Simmons?

  So the Mark Wahlberg and Italian job? Let's put this in because I wanna show people I'm good at something.

• 1:11:54Chris Ryan?

  Shoe horn sports scene just to show off? Imagine, like, they're like, hey, Ed, we're gonna switch sets in a minute, we're gonna strike this one, but just, we gotta get one more pick up here. Mark, Mark's trying to make a 10 footer.

• 1:12:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Chris Ryan?

  And Norton's just like, you fucking kidding me?

• 1:12:07Bill Simmons?

  It's like, it's 502.

• 1:12:10Bill Simmons?

  Fuck this!

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, if I'm in a movie and I feel like I got a good fastball, I'm like, can we have a scene where I'm just throwing pitches in the backyard just so I can show my athleticism?

• 1:12:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  That's definitely what Wahlberg did.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  This is another reason why there are so many movies with Kevin Costner on a horse.

• 1:12:26Chris Ryan?

  No, it's why he's, and it's also why he just is like, I can fucking play baseball, so like any scene, you know, like.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Baseball, horse, Kevin Costner, my dad used to always look in Kevin Costner and be like, this motherfucker can ride.

• 1:12:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  So you get, he could, like, he could, he was a good horse back ride.

• 1:12:43Bill Simmons?

  Golf's another one like this.

• 1:12:45Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:12:45Bill Simmons?

  Curb does this, cause Larry will put himself in these, in these golf scenes in Curb. Really because he just wants to show off like his drives.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Wood Harris, who's a good basketball player, hoops, you know, the scene in The Wire?

• 1:12:58Chris Ryan?

  When he's coaching?

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Catches the lob from Schringer.

• 1:13:00Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Wood, just, Wood, no, he nice, and Wood just wanted to dunk for all of the people on the wire. And if you go back, I want you to watch this scene, this is not a shot at Idris, but there's another English guy.

• 1:13:10Chris Ryan?

  He just was like, what the fuck is this?

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, the way he throws the lob, it doesn't look like he's ever been on the court before. Soccer guys, but you give him the soccer ball, he go crazy.

• 1:13:19Chris Ryan?

  Avon prop Joe, basketball coaching is still one of my favorite Wire scenes.

• 1:13:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I love nothing more than when sports drifts into movies. I believed in Wahlberg's stroke. I think he played.

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ, Bill.

• 1:13:32Bill Simmons?

  I like that lefty.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  You believe, you say that again?

• 1:13:34Bill Simmons?

  I like, he was a little Delante West-ish.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  No, but you believe in what?

• 1:13:38Bill Simmons?

  His stroke, his shooting stroke.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Believe in his stroke?

• 1:13:40Bill Simmons?

  That's a tough one. It's gigantic, pause.

• 1:13:45Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst? The last shot of Wahlberg and Charlize is such a mail in.

• 1:13:52Bill Simmons?

  Like, and they fell in love, and it's just like this quick shot of them on a boat, it's almost like CGI then. I just never believed.

• 1:13:59Chris Ryan?

  They try to make a run at it when he's like, do you wanna have a drink with me in the hotel? And she's like, no, I should get to bed. And it's like, alright, like, this isn't gonna happen. And then when they try to make it happen at the end, you're just like, nobody believes this, guys.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  It was completely unearned. You see the reason, they, they try to even have like a momentary awkwardness where you walk in, don't look, don't look. But they never build on the sexual tension.

• 1:14:23Bill Simmons?

  Almost like there's a scene missing.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, like there's something they took out.

• 1:14:26Bill Simmons?

  By the way, when Fast, when the Fast franchise decided to rip off the Italian job going forward, one of the things they, they learned from was the lack of chemistry between Wahlberg and Charlize, when they were like, we're gonna get Gal Gadot in this, she's gonna be gonna have the eye of the tiger, she's gonna have the look.

• 1:14:45Bill Simmons?

  Gonna get Van engaged in this.

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  I'm into it.

• 1:14:47Bill Simmons?

  Okay, sorry. Uh, any other What's Age the Worst?

• 1:14:51Chris Ryan?

  Napster, pretty much like Cyberstalk's his ex-girlfriend. And, uh, having Stella have basically like, this whole thing is being built up to her date with Steve. And she's like, he doesn't know what I look like, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't know who I am and like, but I am gonna use my dad's catchphrase. Like, that's just like a major like. This, this woman seems really sharp, I think that she would probably avoid that.

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  So, Jason Statham's hair covered head has aged the worst.

• 1:15:25Bill Simmons?

  Doing this now?

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're gonna do it now.

• 1:15:27Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  Because he decides to go bald, and then after that, he's the man. I have thoughts about this, why we don't see this anymore. I know the actor that changed it.

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  Jeremy Piven.

• 1:15:40Chris Ryan?

  Cause he grew his hair out, or no, he got a hair transplant.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  After this, the hair transplant became in vogue. So what happens is, you see guys like, you know, Mikel and all of these other guys, a lot of other people I could name too, that actually get hair transplants instead of just doing the Bruce Willis thing, or doing the Jason Statham thing, or letting the widows peek or whatever, whatever, live. Statham goes bald, but if he would have come after Ari Gold, he would have probably gotten a hair transplant. He's one of the last pre hair transplant guys.

• 1:16:12Chris Ryan?

  Is like, I'm so, I'm too fucking hard to actually get a transplant, yeah.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  But by the time, like, Jeremy Piven popped up with Ari Gold, he looked nothing like himself. He legitimately looked 15 years younger, we were so used to him being A a little bit portly. And B, having a receding hairline, that when he came back, it was like shit, and I think that was very important in hair transplant cultural technology.

• 1:16:36Bill Simmons?

  Where does Travolta fit into this?

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  Nah, he.

• 1:16:38Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's on another planet.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, his shit was like fucking luxurious, he went crazy.

• 1:16:45Bill Simmons?

  Domestic disturbance was the last time before he was like, alright, I'm gonna really spend some real money here.

• 1:16:52Chris Ryan?

  Enough of this LG post stuff.

• 1:16:54Bill Simmons?

  I'll tell you, Apollo 13, Hanks was, we talked about it when.

• 1:16:57Chris Ryan?

  It was up there.

• 1:16:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Hanks, Hanks had the peninsula.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  You think he had one?

• 1:17:01Bill Simmons?

  Well, he definitely had, it was further back and then.

• 1:17:06Bill Simmons?

  Dennis, Benny Hahn Award, scene stealing location, it's gotta be Dennis. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking, where do we put Norton?

• 1:17:13Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna go, honestly, there's a perverse joy I get out of how little he gives a fuck, so I'm gonna give him like a six.

• 1:17:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah, I had a five, he's right in the, right in the midst.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  But he plays, obviously the detachment was real, but his detachment in the movie kinda works for the movie.

• 1:17:32Bill Simmons?

  It's great in the final scene where he just doesn't care anymore, cause he's so happy.

• 1:17:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Bill Simmons?

  This is, it's the last day of the shoot.

• 1:17:38Chris Ryan?

  He's like, oh no!

• 1:17:39Bill Simmons?

  Oh no, you got me, Jesus. Overacting award? I don't really feel like anybody.

• 1:17:46Chris Ryan?

  Ukrainian brother?

• 1:17:48Bill Simmons?

  Okay. Alright, we'll take a break and then Van's gotta flex.

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• 1:19:22Bill Simmons?

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• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Yes. So, did this movie have a porn parody? The answer is no, but I do have a pitch. I have a pitch for the porn parody version of this. Now, I wanted to star, but I'm not gonna star. I'll direct. It's called The Italian Jobs, with an S.

• 1:20:05Bill Simmons?

  Is that with a Z?

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Could be Jobs with a Z. Now you're thinking. Now you're thinking. Now you're thinking.

• 1:20:11Bill Simmons?

  Just trying to help.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  So Ricky Johnson of Ricky's Room is gonna star as a black man who realizes he's the descendant of the Moors who conquered southern Italy.

• 1:20:18Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he goes to Italy to find his roots with his black girlfriend. She's played by Scarlett Scandal. And he finds out-

• 1:20:25Bill Simmons?

  Are these porn stars?

• 1:20:26Chris Ryan?

  Porn actors?

• 1:20:27Speaker 02

  Don't worry about it. Like, just relax and-

• 1:20:31Bill Simmons?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  And he finds out that there's still a turf war going on in Italy. You know? But it's still of guns. They use sex.

• 1:20:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Okay? That's what's happening. So there's an organized crime family of beautiful Italian women that he has to take down-

• 1:20:48Bill Simmons?

  This sounds great.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  -in order to win. The Capos are Mona Azar, Valentina Bianco, and the boss is Valentina Napi. Okay? This is the way they fight.

• 1:20:57Bill Simmons?

  Those are porn stars.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  Okay, whatever, man. You don't got- if you guys don't know the life, you don't know the life. They have to engage in sexual warfare. Him and the family against everyone there that's in southern Italy. First one to come loses. Different jobs.

• 1:21:11Chris Ryan?

  Jesus.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  Hand jobs, blow jobs, all kinds of things. And he has to defeat them to reclaim-

• 1:21:18Bill Simmons?

  Italian jobs.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  Job.

• 1:21:20Chris Ryan?

  You know what I like about you?

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:21:22Chris Ryan?

  You still care about story.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  I do. I don't just go in there with a pitch-

• 1:21:26Bill Simmons?

  Storyteller.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  -with nothing else. But to reclaim-

• 1:21:28Bill Simmons?

  Italian jobs.

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  The- his Moorish ancestral kingdom.

• 1:21:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  He has to go there and win all of these different jobs and maintain his relationship-

• 1:21:36Bill Simmons?

  This sounds like a high-end, X-rated vehicle.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  I'm ready to shoot it.

• 1:21:40Chris Ryan?

  This is what puts Jack Warner out of business.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, oh, I have something. I have something. The last line here. Bring her films.

• 1:21:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Shaw Finacy, executive producer.

• 1:21:52Bill Simmons?

  Let me check. Bring her films with a Z.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  With a Z.

• 1:21:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  My- my vertical of bring her films.

• 1:21:59Bill Simmons?

  That's it. I like it. It's better than Half Italian Job. Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harris' support. How does take a word? I already did mine. Did you do yours?

• 1:22:08Chris Ryan?

  No. I'm trying to think of the right way to put this, but I think John Wick killed my brain. So when I watch this movie now, I'm just like, shoot him. Like, every- like, almost every scene, I'm like, how come nobody just pulls out a gun and kills him right here? He's the guy- he's the guy who killed Donald Sutherland.

• 1:22:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Chris Ryan?

  Like, kill him. You got him.

• 1:22:26Bill Simmons?

  Why we haven't foreplay?

• 1:22:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And also, if you're Ed Norton and you've already shown the capacity to kill Donald Sutherland, just shoot these people or have these people killed. And you shot the Ukrainian guy, but there's just like a weird rule in this movie of when gun violence can or can't be deployed. And I think modern action movies have kind of made it hard to watch, because you're like, I don't understand. Like, he killed Donald Sutherland. You're supposed to just take this dude out.

• 1:22:52Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  Uh, this is, you know. Charlize Theron- Theron, whatever you call her, is the white Halle Berry. I have no intellectual thoughts to back this up. I've always felt this way.

• 1:23:06Bill Simmons?

  They each have an Oscar.

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Like, they- they're mirroring each other in weird ways. They- it's- it's like, they're the bizarro version of one another. I don't have it fleshed out and thought out. I actually wanted you guys to help me make this case. I feel she's the-

• 1:23:22Bill Simmons?

  I was a little older.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  A little bit, just a little bit, like, seven or eight years, a little older, but like-

• 1:23:26Bill Simmons?

  They're both potent female forces that seem like they could be happy alone if they have to be.

• 1:23:31Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Like, they have the one Oscar each, like you said.

• 1:23:36Chris Ryan?

  Have been in franchises.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  Been in franchises.

• 1:23:38Bill Simmons?

  They've really figured out social media, how to make splashes. Like, how they did that Juicy Peach thing recently.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's good.

• 1:23:46Bill Simmons?

  Charlize had that whole thing about, she's like, I just like one-night stands with twenty- twenty-something guys.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Bill Simmons?

  They just come in, do their business, and then they leave.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Their place on the desirability scale.

• 1:23:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  And we are invested in them, both culturally and on the screen. They are-

• 1:24:03Bill Simmons?

  Have they been in a movie together?

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 1:24:06Bill Simmons?

  I feel it would work. It's almost like having two dominant ball handlers on the same NBA team.

• 1:24:13Chris Ryan?

  It's like, is there gonna be enough ball around for them?

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Hopefully. For many years to come.

• 1:24:19Bill Simmons?

  The Van Lathan Award, did this movie need more black people?

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:24:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:23Bill Simmons?

  Where would you put it in?

• 1:24:24Chris Ryan?

  You know where they needed it? They needed, uh, not to cut you off, because this is obviously your award, but-

• 1:24:30Speaker 02

  But no, it's the way it goes.

• 1:24:30Bill Simmons?

  I mean, you did cut him off.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 1:24:32Chris Ryan?

  Well, I just got inspired.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  There you go. You want- you wanted to be a-

• 1:24:35Chris Ryan?

  Steve needed a black sidekick.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:24:38Chris Ryan?

  Steve and Rightier, you know what I mean? And like, he- like, that was maybe- maybe it could have been Mos Def's brother.

• 1:24:44Bill Simmons?

  Steve needed a bodyguard that went with him everywhere, who didn't- who was-

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Let's make this guy his equal, guys.

• 1:24:50Chris Ryan?

  It could have been his computer guy.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  It's like, let's make this guy, you know? You guys are making this guy-

• 1:24:55Bill Simmons?

  I still think Seth Green didn't have to be Seth Green.

• 1:24:58Chris Ryan?

  He could have been black.

• 1:24:59Bill Simmons?

  That could have been Dave Chappelle pretty easily.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  I think that actually where the movie misses some- some brothers and sisters, it definitely misses some black women. It's like, throughout, sprinkled throughout, like, the cornucopia of LA. There was an awesome opportunity to have, like, I don't know, like, Snoop pop up in this bitch, or like, young black actors from around the town pop up in this motherfucker somewhere.

• 1:25:20Chris Ryan?

  They missed a spot when Ed Norton takes Charlize to dinner. That could have been like a cooler restaurant. We could have had some more celebs there.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Bill Simmons?

  I felt like they missed a big set piece scene in the middle, which is what Fast would have done. They would have had a Statham trying to evade police scene, like, about the hour mark of this movie, just to like, get our adrenaline going again.

• 1:25:41Chris Ryan?

  That's when they do all the, like, LA underworld crime stuff of like, the Ukrainians and the gold bars and all that stuff.

• 1:25:47Bill Simmons?

  So you're saying the dinner scene with Ed Norton?

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  He said that, but I agree.

• 1:25:50Bill Simmons?

  No, but he's taking Charlize instead to some concert. Or some club.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. What year is it? It's 2003.

• 1:25:57Bill Simmons?

  Oh, three.

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  So 50's in town. You know, like, and they're going there or something like that, just a little bit more.

• 1:26:02Bill Simmons?

  Because Steve Friselli loves 50.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  Like, whatever. He's hanging out with him, but like, whatever. Like, there's an opportunity. LA has a very, very potent black cultural, uh, fingerprint. So there's just a little bit of that missing in the movie.

• 1:26:15Bill Simmons?

  Like Martha's Vineyard.

• 1:26:16Chris Ryan?

  Incredible. Steve Friselli was just chilling out with G-Unit.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Bill Simmons?

  Incredible.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Tony Yayo in that bitch.

• 1:26:23Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs. Not really a ton here, except Wahlberg dropped out of SWAT to do this.

• 1:26:29Chris Ryan?

  Colin Farrell got that role.

• 1:26:30Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, apparently Giovanni Ribisi was supposed to be the Seth Green part, but couldn't do it. I've never understood-

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  Much better movie with Mark Wahlberg in it.

• 1:26:39Bill Simmons?

  What?

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  SWAT. I mean, I like SWAT, but if Mark Wahlberg was in SWAT, I think- I think SWAT would have been better.

• 1:26:45Bill Simmons?

  Who was in SWAT? I don't remember.

• 1:26:46Chris Ryan?

  Colin Farrell.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Colin Farrell.

• 1:26:48Bill Simmons?

  Wasn't on my list.

• 1:26:50Chris Ryan?

  You would like SWAT. You've never seen SWAT?

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 1:26:53Bill Simmons?

  No, I saw it. I saw it when it was in the theater or whenever after, but I haven't seen it in 20 years. Am I missing something?

• 1:27:00Chris Ryan?

  That's just a- it's an enjoyable action movie.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Give you $20 million, break me out of jail, whatever you say.

• 1:27:05Bill Simmons?

  Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy?

• 1:27:07Chris Ryan?

  I have a couple here.

• 1:27:08Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:27:08Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I think you moved this down a little bit. Where'd it go?

• 1:27:15Bill Simmons?

  Skinny Pete's at that guy, because I just know him as Skinny Pete.

• 1:27:17Chris Ryan?

  Scott Adsett from 30 Rock is the actor rehearsing in traffic.

• 1:27:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 1:27:24Chris Ryan?

  Boris Krutnog is, uh, Yevhen, the Ukrainian. He was in Hunt for Red October. He's on the- on the Red October with-

• 1:27:31Bill Simmons?

  He's one of those guys.

• 1:27:32Chris Ryan?

  And Oscar from The Office is the security guard.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  That's the one that jumped out at me. The Oscar from- he just sticks out like a sore thumb. But both of the Russian guys could be bad guys.

• 1:27:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:41Bill Simmons?

  The Anne Waiters Award, Donald Sutherland or Skinny Pete?

• 1:27:44Chris Ryan?

  I had Sean Fanning.

• 1:27:46Bill Simmons?

  Sean Fanning?

• 1:27:48Chris Ryan?

  And he mugs for the camera. He's like, I'm- I'm in this movie. Inspired choice.

• 1:27:52Bill Simmons?

  I had Donald Sutherland.

• 1:27:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:54Bill Simmons?

  It's like in for 15 minutes. Recasting couch director city. I mean, obviously, we gotta get Philly the fuck out. Like, is it better in Boston? Or would you go Chicago in the summer?

• 1:28:10Bill Simmons?

  Steve Frizzelli's.

• 1:28:11Chris Ryan?

  Like, we gotta get Philly the fuck out. And your response is Boston in oh three.

• 1:28:15Bill Simmons?

  Steve Frizzelli's taking a helicopter from New York to go see his money in Philadelphia.

• 1:28:19Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:28:21Bill Simmons?

  I don't have any real recasting other than the Mark Wahlberg part.

• 1:28:25Chris Ryan?

  So who would you ideally put in the Mark Wahlberg part?

• 1:28:29Bill Simmons?

  Somebody else.

• 1:28:30Chris Ryan?

  Damon?

• 1:28:32Bill Simmons?

  Cause Damon can't do it, cause he's got more identity at that point.

• 1:28:34Chris Ryan?

  He's already in Oceans and stuff.

• 1:28:37Chris Ryan?

  And Affleck.

• 1:28:38Bill Simmons?

  I hate doing this, cause it's, you're shooting too high. But I want you to think about the, the time this movie came out, oh three. And Leo DiCaprio.

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  Ah, Bill, just get the fuck out of here, dog. Like, what, like, what are you?

• 1:28:53Bill Simmons?

  The Beach was oh one.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:56Bill Simmons?

  Right? He's, and he's about to hit, he just did Gangs of New York. And he's about to hit the Catch Me If You Can, The Aviator part of his IMDb.

• 1:29:05Chris Ryan?

  This is pre Blood Diamond, pre TIA.

• 1:29:08Bill Simmons?

  I think he could have snuck this in here. And I think it's a much better movie.

• 1:29:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Bill Simmons?

  This is like, if, if Leo is, is the Mark Wahlberg part. I think this movie's a home run.

• 1:29:19Chris Ryan?

  This would just be, if, honestly, it would be so fucking cool if DiCaprio just made one of these now. If he was just like, eh, why don't we just bang out an Italian job?

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  But this is legitimately the point in his career where he goes, you know what? I made The Beach, fuck it. For the, for the next X amount of years, it's Spielberg, Scorsese, uh, blah, blah, those are the guys. These are the guys that, that, that I'm working with. And he doesn't, he doesn't make movies like that.

• 1:29:46Chris Ryan?

  Inception is kind of just prestige Italian job. That's a really good point.

• 1:29:50Bill Simmons?

  That's actually not bad.

• 1:29:51Chris Ryan?

  Getting the gang all together, he's the leader.

• 1:29:53Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's a really good point.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  But it's Christopher Nolan.

• 1:29:54Chris Ryan?

  It's Christopher Nolan.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:56Bill Simmons?

  Do you think Leo's IMDb in the two thousands?

• 1:30:00Chris Ryan?

  You should basically trade this for Blood Diamond.

• 1:30:02Bill Simmons?

  Why can't I just have this movie too?

• 1:30:04Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:30:05Bill Simmons?

  What's wrong with that?

• 1:30:06Chris Ryan?

  That's fine.

• 1:30:08Bill Simmons?

  Why do we have to be so precious about Leo?

• 1:30:10Chris Ryan?

  About Blood Diamonds.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  About Blood Diamond.

• 1:30:12Bill Simmons?

  If he goes, this movie right into Catch Me If You Can, Aviator. With bookending with, uh, Gangs of New York. And this is the next one, it's just like, oh, I'm doing a fun little caper movie.

• 1:30:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:23Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I think he would have been really good in this. Uh, all right.

• 1:30:28Bill Simmons?

  Craig, you did your flex.

• 1:30:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, but can I do a hottest take?

• 1:30:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  I think all of the heists in this movie are in the wrong order and they chose the wrong heist to feature. I think the Venice heist, by far the coolest heist in the movie.

• 1:30:40Chris Ryan?

  It should have been the finale.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  Should have been the end of the movie.

• 1:30:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  Like the.

• 1:30:43Chris Ryan?

  It's also The Italian Job.

• 1:30:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:30:45Chris Ryan?

  It should be the end.

• 1:30:46Speaker 04

  Falling through the three levels with the paint was super cool. Into the water, it was like a great reveal that they, that you think it's in the boat, it's not. And then, the heist that they were planning in Steve's house was super cool. I wanted to see the Mini Coopers in the house, driving around. That was so cool. I feel like the one they finished the movie on was the least interesting heist.

• 1:31:06Chris Ryan?

  That's a great take.

• 1:31:07Bill Simmons?

  Fantastic take.

• 1:31:11Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if the, how that changes calling it The Italian Job. But I guess since they have to do The Italian Job.

• 1:31:17Chris Ryan?

  I'm currently in a, uh, Twitter algorithm where I keep getting served coward clips. And it'll be about like, you know, quarterbacks are like comedians. You don't want to have to explain it too much. And then the tweet is like, holy fucking shit, look at him cook. And I'm like.

• 1:31:34Bill Simmons?

  I actually saw that cook.

• 1:31:36Chris Ryan?

  I was like, it's like a pretty okay take, but that's just like. Can we put this on Twitter?

• 1:31:42Speaker 04

  We should do that for Craig. Holy fucking shit, he cooks so hot.

• 1:31:47Chris Ryan?

  We almost ended the pod here, we couldn't believe it.

• 1:31:56Bill Simmons?

  I did see that quarterback take and I was like, what's going on?

• 1:32:02Bill Simmons?

  The more you have to explain to comedian and how funny they are, the odds are they aren't that funny. And the same goes for quarterbacks.

• 1:32:08Speaker 02

  But can, doesn't that, isn't what he's saying, doesn't that make fucking sense?

• 1:32:11Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:32:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I guess, yeah.

• 1:32:16Bill Simmons?

  Half my research, not a ton here, other than, um.

• 1:32:19Chris Ryan?

  The Norton stuff.

• 1:32:20Bill Simmons?

  The Norton stuff, the stunts.

• 1:32:21Chris Ryan?

  There's a fuck ton of Mini Cooper stuff that you just kind of glaze over after a while.

• 1:32:26Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain.

• 1:32:27Chris Ryan?

  Coopers.

• 1:32:29Bill Simmons?

  Probably, nobody in this movie really, except for maybe Seth Green. This might have been the peak for Seth Green.

• 1:32:36Chris Ryan?

  Uh, you're looking at me, like, I, I.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  I mean, you know.

• 1:32:39Chris Ryan?

  I'm not his defense attorney.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  Your people.

• 1:32:43Speaker 02

  It's not Austin Powers?

• 1:32:45Bill Simmons?

  It's after Austin Powers, after the third one, he's one of the leads in Italian Job, basically. And I feel like this is.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, this was his shot at being a big boy type of.

• 1:32:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, this is, maybe it was the last Austin Powers. Nothing really else, except for Mini Coopers, I don't think.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  You know what's funny?

• 1:33:01Bill Simmons?

  How about Venice scenes?

• 1:33:03Chris Ryan?

  Is oh three twenty first century apex for Los Angeles?

• 1:33:07Bill Simmons?

  So I was thinking for the Hollywood area, it might be. That's when Kimmel Show relaunched there and, and.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  It goes all the way to the.

• 1:33:14Bill Simmons?

  They're spending money and they're really trying to restore it and make it a place you go. And the Man Theater they spent money on and they built the new mall.

• 1:33:19Chris Ryan?

  ArcLight's cranking.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  ArcLight, it goes all the way to the end of like Entourage.

• 1:33:25Bill Simmons?

  You know what the, and Katsuya goes in on the corner of.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Katsuya goes in.

• 1:33:29Bill Simmons?

  Sunset and Vine, and became like the place for two years.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  And then Sunset, every little part of Hollywood has its own deal. Sunset and Vine has its deal, then right there, the corner of Fairfax and, not Fairfax, the corner of La Brea.

• 1:33:42Bill Simmons?

  It really ended when The Ringer moved into Sunset Gower in two thousand sixteen.

• 1:33:46Chris Ryan?

  No, we had a nice couple of years there.

• 1:33:47Bill Simmons?

  No, but I'm saying that was the beginning and the end for, for the entire area.

• 1:33:50Chris Ryan?

  We took out Hollywood?

• 1:33:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  Getting chased by hobos in the Gulch.

• 1:33:54Bill Simmons?

  Kevin Clark got run over by a car.

• 1:33:56Speaker 02

  Coward Gulch. It's a big deal. I think Hollywood's coming back.

• 1:34:01Bill Simmons?

  I hope so.

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  I think Hollywood's coming back.

• 1:34:02Speaker 04

  David Ellison's gonna save it.

• 1:34:04Bill Simmons?

  Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:34:06Chris Ryan?

  Uh, could do both, could have Chichetti, could have Cruise play, uh, Charlie.

• 1:34:10Bill Simmons?

  I think Cruise could have been Wahlberg really easily. He would have loved the driving.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  I think Cruise in the Edward Norton role.

• 1:34:17Bill Simmons?

  Evil Cruise?

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  Evil Cruise.

• 1:34:18Bill Simmons?

  We've only seen Evil Cruise in collateral.

• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:21Bill Simmons?

  What else? That's it?

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  Think about this movie with Cruise in the Edward Norton role and then Leo.

• 1:34:27Bill Simmons?

  He would have tried harder, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, and Leo. Picking nits, um, just Charlize pretending to be a cable repair person was ludicrous. They figure out the, the right Brink's truck in the Hollywood chase scene.

• 1:34:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:42Bill Simmons?

  Based on tire size, cause Seth Green apparently has some incredible computer program. And he measures the tires and what tires would love.

• 1:34:50Chris Ryan?

  They have set that up where he keeps telling them like, it's this wide, it's this tall.

• 1:34:53Bill Simmons?

  But what if that, what if that car just had less air in the tires, just by some coincidence? I don't know.

• 1:35:02Bill Simmons?

  Blowing up the exact square spot in Hollywood Boulevard. Car has to be in the right lane. That's to stop right on that spot. It can't take out any other cars. I'm just saying high degree of difficulty.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  I think this movie is less interested in the planning and the execution of stuff. In any heist type movie that I've seen and taken seriously.

• 1:35:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cause in Oceans, you're like, holy shit, that would work.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  And in Oceans, they do so much. They have multiple cons running at the same time to let you know you're in on the heist almost. They make you an expert in it. Like, they immerse you in it.

• 1:35:38Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  This movie doesn't give a fuck about that.

• 1:35:40Bill Simmons?

  We've talked about a lot of the other picking nits.

• 1:35:42Chris Ryan?

  I was just gonna say, if you stole a bunch of gold from Venice. Would you really have a roadside party at the border for Austria and then get on a one lane road?

• 1:35:53Bill Simmons?

  Probably not.

• 1:35:54Chris Ryan?

  Probably not.

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  The, the, just mine is.

• 1:35:56Chris Ryan?

  Also, bullets don't work like that when they hit the water, like travel full speed that way. And, uh, yeah, there are no police in the world.

• 1:36:03Bill Simmons?

  CR fucking correcting us.

• 1:36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mythbusters. They die in the water. The water's cold, they're all sharing the thing, they're dead.

• 1:36:10Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable.

• 1:36:17Chris Ryan?

  I'd watch six of these films.

• 1:36:19Bill Simmons?

  We already talked about this.

• 1:36:19Chris Ryan?

  I've watched six of these movies.

• 1:36:20Bill Simmons?

  Boston job, Philly job.

• 1:36:22Chris Ryan?

  Prestige TV show about Donald Sutherland. And you can have Kiefer play him.

• 1:36:28Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, missed opportunity. This movie made almost two hundred million dollars. I don't know why they just abandoned.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  I mean, there's a lot of talk about like, what was supposed to happen? And why the Brazilian job never got made?

• 1:36:38Speaker 04

  You could have done the Stella Bridger series as like an international safe cracker. And that could have been a whole series.

• 1:36:45Bill Simmons?

  Cracker. Fucking Craig over here. I would have, I would have gone to at least the first one of those.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  Or in Halle Berry.

• 1:36:53Bill Simmons?

  This category leads me to the question of all black cast.

• 1:36:59Bill Simmons?

  Has there been an all black cast heist movie?

• 1:37:02Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  Well, you have Fight Night.

• 1:37:04Bill Simmons?

  Why not?

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  You have Fight Night a, a couple of, I mean, there's an answer to why.

• 1:37:09Chris Ryan?

  Didn't Eddie Murphy do Tower Heist?

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  Tower Heist, but there, there's an answer to why.

• 1:37:12Bill Simmons?

  There are white people in Tower Heist though.

• 1:37:14Speaker 02

  I mean, there's an answer to why.

• 1:37:16Bill Simmons?

  Why is there, there's been a black, Ocean's Eleven.

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  There are heist movies that, that involve black people, but there's an answer to why, it's because, it, it, you know. That when you do these movies like this, the criminals in the movie seem elegant. They seem highbrow. And that's because, like, crimes committed like this by an all white cast, they seem like ingenious. There's ingenuity. And on screen, when black people commit crimes, even if these crimes have all of this intricate shit to it. They just seem like criminals to the audience. Like, that same elegance and that same ingenuity. I think people view it in a different way.

• 1:37:55Chris Ryan?

  Institutional bias.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  I, I completely think that.

• 1:37:58Bill Simmons?

  Maybe that's the challenge and the thing to upend.

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:38:01Bill Simmons?

  I thought we couldn't do a movie like this, but we just fucking did.

• 1:38:04Speaker 02

  Right. By the way, there are like, there are movies out there, there are black heist movies. Even like, some of them are comedic, whatever, even like, you know, Uptown Saturday Night, Let's Do It Again, movies like that. But when you talk about all of this type of shit, takers is kind of like that.

• 1:38:18Chris Ryan?

  Well, just the idea of having, honestly, like a movie, yeah, yes.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but when you, when you start looking at it like that, it's different.

• 1:38:25Bill Simmons?

  CR, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Le mean, or someone else?

• 1:38:31Chris Ryan?

  I have a new person to introduce to this, this melange.

• 1:38:34Bill Simmons?

  Can't wait.

• 1:38:34Chris Ryan?

  Derek from American History X.

• 1:38:38Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 1:38:39Chris Ryan?

  I gotta bet, I come in this game right now, same score, but we play Mini Coopers versus helicopters.

• 1:38:47Chris Ryan?

  If you win, we will walk away, but if we win, no bitching, no fighting, right here in front of everybody. You pack up your shit and you get your little British cars out of here.

• 1:38:59Bill Simmons?

  When are we doing that?

• 1:39:00Chris Ryan?

  Fucking craziest scene in movie history.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  I fucking loved it. I loved it. I, I love that fucking movie. That's my favorite performance of him ever.

• 1:39:10Bill Simmons?

  He's unbelievable in that movie.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  He's phenomenal in it. The movie, I know it makes people uncomfortable, but the movie is sublime.

• 1:39:17Bill Simmons?

  It's really good.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  Sublime.

• 1:39:19Chris Ryan?

  Ninety-nine, man.

• 1:39:20Bill Simmons?

  Somebody just asked me like three days ago if we were ever gonna do it.

• 1:39:24Chris Ryan?

  Did you not do it with Shay?

• 1:39:26Bill Simmons?

  We never did it.

• 1:39:26Chris Ryan?

  Not for Luminary?

• 1:39:28Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  Are you, let me ask you this, seriously, I'll just decide, are you a little bit scared of?

• 1:39:32Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:39:32Bill Simmons?

  Not at all.

• 1:39:33Chris Ryan?

  When you go back and watch it.

• 1:39:34Bill Simmons?

  I, I love that movie.

• 1:39:35Chris Ryan?

  I think it's also a fascinating text to use now, like to look at now.

• 1:39:39Bill Simmons?

  It's always been on the list, we just never did it. Um, just one Oscar who gets it.

• 1:39:44Chris Ryan?

  Eh.

• 1:39:48Bill Simmons?

  What do we do here, Craig?

• 1:39:50Chris Ryan?

  What about the, is there like a stunt driver Oscar?

• 1:39:54Bill Simmons?

  Stunts.

• 1:39:54Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:39:55Bill Simmons?

  Stunts?

• 1:39:55Chris Ryan?

  Stunts?

• 1:39:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Probably an answerable questions. I didn't really have any other than we made twenty-four million dollars and caused four hundred and ninety million of damage.

• 1:40:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:06Bill Simmons?

  Now what? I feel like people are looking for these people for the next five years.

• 1:40:10Chris Ryan?

  It's weird, there's one reference.

• 1:40:11Bill Simmons?

  The people who ruined LA have escaped again.

• 1:40:14Chris Ryan?

  Most deaf gets them cell phones at the beginning of the LA portion and he's like, you know, we'll have to switch these out a lot because they're gonna be heat on these lines and like there is no heat on the lines. There's no cops.

• 1:40:23Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:40:23Chris Ryan?

  Nobody is, nobody's looking for them.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  This is probably answerable, but I want to ask you guys that, this question. Is there anybody in this movie that you think is better at their respective job than their counterpart in the Ocean's Eleven?

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  Is there anybody here that's better, that does?

• 1:40:41Bill Simmons?

  I honestly, I thought Seth Green had all the answers for an hour and fifty minutes.

• 1:40:45Chris Ryan?

  Uh, is there anybody in the Ocean's crew that has handsome Rob's skillset?

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  That's the one.

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  I think he, it would, he would.

• 1:40:53Chris Ryan?

  Getaway driver.

• 1:40:54Speaker 02

  He's the only member of this crew.

• 1:40:56Bill Simmons?

  Boats and cars?

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  He's the only member of this crew that I think could be on Danny's crew.

• 1:41:00Chris Ryan?

  That's a good question.

• 1:41:01Bill Simmons?

  So who are you bumping?

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Off Danny's crew?

• 1:41:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Chris Ryan?

  Carl Reiner?

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:06Bill Simmons?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:41:07Chris Ryan?

  No, I'm saying like,

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:41:09Chris Ryan?

  There's gotta be a sunset clause somewhere. I know he's the guy in Ocean's Eleven, but like, you know.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  Maybe the combo of Casey and Scott, even though they're really funny?

• 1:41:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, you don't need both.

• 1:41:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Memorability you'd want from this movie is easy. It's gotta be a gold brick.

• 1:41:25Chris Ryan?

  Mini Cooper.

• 1:41:26Bill Simmons?

  I would have put that right there.

• 1:41:28Chris Ryan?

  My wife has a Mini Cooper.

• 1:41:30Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 1:41:30Chris Ryan?

  It's pretty harrowing driving it around.

• 1:41:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:41:33Chris Ryan?

  Everybody's, especially now, everybody's bumper is basically at brain level. So like as you're pulling out, you're like, this guy is gonna decapitate me like everywhere.

• 1:41:42Bill Simmons?

  I don't, not, I talk my wife out of anyone. Coach Finstock, Mr. Maggie, word, best, worst, life lesson?

• 1:41:48Chris Ryan?

  It's gotta be the devil inside, right?

• 1:41:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Best double feature choice. I'd go with Fast Four, just so you could see how many things they kind of secretly stole from this movie. And then who won the movie? Might be Ed Norton.

• 1:42:00Chris Ryan?

  That's the funny thing.

• 1:42:01Bill Simmons?

  Hmm, it's tough. I think it's the funniest of all the performances, like to, to revisit during a rewatchables.

• 1:42:07Chris Ryan?

  It's, it's him and Charlize are the reasons to go back to like, kinda see pre superstardom Charlize and Ed Norton being like, you fucking guys, I can't believe this.

• 1:42:16Bill Simmons?

  What do you got, Craig?

• 1:42:17Speaker 04

  I think it's the first inanimate object to win the movie and it's the Mini Coopers win the movie. I don't think it's close.

• 1:42:23Bill Simmons?

  Wow, Mini Coopers win the movie.

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  That fucking take is one of the best things I've ever fucking heard before.

• 1:42:28Chris Ryan?

  You're like, you're like a young Colin Coward today.

• 1:42:30Bill Simmons?

  Thank you, yeah.

• 1:42:31Speaker 04

  You will believe what this kid just said about his talent.

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  Craig Corvo did it again!

• 1:42:36Speaker 04

  Anybody I know who likes this movie, who watched it growing up, the first thing they say, Italian Job, oh, Mini Coopers. It's the Mini Coopers.

• 1:42:42Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's true, probably right.

• 1:42:42Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I watched this movie a ton growing up. This was like peak cable movies. I almost feel like it was made for cable. There's like, no sex, no blood, no swearing. It's like made to just live on television and it's like the perfect gateway action movie for a twelve-year-old boy.

• 1:42:58Chris Ryan?

  You're absolutely right. It's great.

• 1:43:00Bill Simmons?

  People to look at.

• 1:43:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:43:02Bill Simmons?

  Things happening.

• 1:43:02Speaker 04

  I remember watching this when I was like eleven years old and thought it was fucking awesome.

• 1:43:05Bill Simmons?

  So you were excited when we did the Italian Job?

• 1:43:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is great.

• 1:43:08Bill Simmons?

  It's been on the list for a while.

• 1:43:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. Damn, Craig was like Carmen in the bear with this.

• 1:43:15Bill Simmons?

  The thing about Mini Coopers is they're like a New York City apartment. They're small, but they do a lot.

• 1:43:24Bill Simmons?

  Uh, the Italian Job, first of two rewatchables this week. We have, uh, about last night, fortieth anniversary, coming on Thursday with me and CR and Mallory Rubin, who is gonna make CR about as uncomfortable as it gets. I can't wait.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  You do, she does get you.

• 1:43:40Chris Ryan?

  She doesn't. She doesn't.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  You guys.

• 1:43:42Bill Simmons?

  He's, he's fifteen years or fourteen years of this.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  Guys, perhaps go back to the infamous blowjob story.

• 1:43:50Chris Ryan?

  You know what it is? It's just like those stories come out of nowhere. It's like.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  If you watch the blow, I'm sorry, which is the funniest moment I've personally been.

• 1:43:57Chris Ryan?

  I don't even know if Bill knows.

• 1:43:58Bill Simmons?

  Which movie was that one?

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus Christ, bro. So like a couple of years ago, we do the, I can't remember which movie draft it was. It's all of us, the whole couch full of people, Rob, Joe, me, the big picture. And Mallory goes into a story about, you know, giving blowjobs in her basement. And in, like watching Snatch. And if you guys don't fucking believe me, just go back and watch it. The reactions from Dobbins, from CR, and from Finacy, all when she gets to it are hysterical. I'm sorry, you guys were.

• 1:44:31Bill Simmons?

  We didn't cut social out of this?

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  She legitimately got you guys.

• 1:44:35Chris Ryan?

  She did. And it, it was the element of surprise, you know?

• 1:44:40Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's what makes her so special. Anyway, that's gonna be Thursday, so two episodes this week. Ben, pleasure as always. CR, pleasure.

• 1:44:47Chris Ryan?

  Thanks, brother.

• 1:44:47Bill Simmons?

  Craig, thank you. Uh, and we'll be back on Thursday.

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