Wallo267 Part 2

In part two of Questlove’s conversation with Wallo267, the tables turn. Wallo takes over, pushing Ahmir to make some changes. They trade questions about the albums that changed their lives, ’80s jackets, Soul Train Saturdays, and the day Wallo flew to London to meet the artist whose music carried him home from prison. The result is raw, funny, and—as Questlove admits—the most public intervention he’s ever received. Wallo's latest book, Yes To You, No To Them is available now. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  This stress check, aka friendly have fun reminder, is brought to you by State Farm, because you deserve to decompress and protect your peace. For me, it's painting my tabletop miniatures. I know, random, but it works. Big stress, mini warriors, total reset. It helps me clear my head, slow down, and just breathe. Mental health matters, and hobbies help. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. The Questlove Show is a production of iHeart Radio. What's up, people? It's Questlove, and last week, we ran part one of my conversation with Wallow.

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  I wrote an Instagram post about it, and this conversation really hit me in an extreme stressful time in my life. I was trying to fight my instinct to cancel the show, and I'm glad I didn't. You know, it was just a dark week for me, and this conversation meant a lot. But Wallow ended up giving me kind of an intervention, so to speak. Yes, there are these episodes of QLS where I talk more than I want to. This is one of those episodes. But you know, Wallow showed me how he lives and how liberated his mind and his soul are. You know, I found it really inspiring and damn near moved me to tears, but I really

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  wasn't sure I wanted to air this, but you know, it's real and I'm authentic, and I owe that to myself and I owe it to all of you out there, and thank you for supporting the show and all the feedback and whatnot. That was part one, and we left that part of the conversation with a breakthrough, and now this is part two, and Wallow kind of takes over my show. Imagine that. And we exchange stories and talk about music and life, and you can hear that I'm genuinely affected by his pep talk. So, this is part two of the interview with Wallow on The Questlove Show. Hope you enjoy it.

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  That was a hail mary pass, and I caught that shit with just one second left, barely, and I got to feel good about standing my ground.

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  You got to. It's game time.

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  Man, how can I pivot?

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  All right.

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  Can you take over the podcast?

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  I'm gonna take it over. I got this. I think I know something. I think I know how to do something like this. Let me just say this, right?

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  Oh, man.

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  Let me break this down, right?

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  Shit, man.

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  So, I'm gonna just talk about you, right, real quick. The Roots, right? So, y'all was having the picnic, right? So, this young cat come and say, damn, man, like, this Roots joint, man, this joint. Because he didn't really understand it to, you know what I mean? He heard Jay-Z was coming, so he was like, he didn't even know. He from Philly, didn't even know what The Roots was, a young guy, right? So, he was like, man, like, what is this, man? Who, like, who started this joint? Right? I said, The Roots, man. He said, yeah, but what is The Roots, right? What is that? Is it a story? Like, they didn't know what it was, right?

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  Right, no, I know.

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  So, I break it down to him, right? And this was an unbelievable education, right? So, I tell him who y'all are, I pick it up a little bit. I'm showing him the albums and all. He like, yo. And you know what he asked me? He said, how did they become so big to have a picnic? Because, and to hear young, I said, listen, because he was messed up with like, how I play y'all's stuff. He's like, yo, man, they did that type of rap? Like, how did they? I said, nephew, the marketing of music today and how they marketed to y'all and what y'all think it is, y'all didn't understand that hip hop was the soundtrack to a struggle. It was a soundtrack to a struggle in the 80s, the 90s. It was something that we listened to when we ain't had no food, when the refrigerator was broke, when the stamps ain't come through, whatever it was.

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  It was just this energy to get fly to, the streets, the block parties. I said, whatever. So, I go all the way back. I take, all because he asked me about the festival and didn't know who y'all was. So, I had to break it all the way down. I said, listen, I said, this is the thing. We didn't segregate hip hop when we came up. I said, listen, I will make a mixtape. He's like, you was D. I said, no, I wasn't no DJ, nephew. I said, I will make a mixtape. I had, listen, I said, I had, my brother had this boombox that had two cassette players, right? And what I would do is, I would just, he said, I would, it was hard to explain to him.

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  Trying to explain to him how you got music.

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  So, I explained to him, right? Because he saw me with a Walkman one time and it blew his mind, but so, I'm breaking it down. I see, in my mind, I was a DJ. I was making my own mixtapes, right? And I said, this is how it would be. I said, it'd be NWA. The next song might be Slick Rick. The next song might be, you know, Leaders of the New School. The next song might be Ultramagnetic. So, I'm breaking it down. He like, who the fuck is them, man? I said, so I said, all right, bet it. I said, bet. Let me break it down. I said, say you might be listening to 21 Savage. The next song would be J. Cole. The next song would be, he was like, that don't mix. I said, nephew.

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  This is what I'm saying. Y'all segregated hip hop, so y'all not allowed to enjoy hip hop. You had somebody like you, you only listen to, oh, man, I only listen to drill. So, it was like, you leaving out a whole, we didn't do that. Every, all hip hop was ours. And I said, the part that The Roots played, they played the major part. Because I said, I said, let me explain something to you. At the beginning, you misintroduced me because I am an MC. I'm a former MC. So, you got to understand.

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  I know this.

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  So, I was like, hold on, I am an artist.

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  I know this. Yes, you are.

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  And you got to remember this, too, though. You know, in the hood, everybody rapped. What's crazy about The Roots is, when y'all first came out back in the day, y'all had Dice with y'all. My homeboy lived next door to Dice, PM Low, of Logan. He introduced me to Dice when I was doing the music thing. He introduced me to Dice. Dice took a liking to me. Dice took me to my man Peanut. This when I started Major Figures. I started Major Figures. Dice helped me pick that name out, because Dice was in the basement.

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  Dice never told me that.

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  Dice was in the basement. He came to my grandma's crib, he was in the basement doing, and I wrote some names down. He was like, yo, pick that joint, that's joint. And Dice used to take me to my homeboy Peanut's studio, like, yo, Peanut, I got him, just let him record, me and Gil. Gil ain't really know him like I did, so, but Dice was, it was just connection. But what I'm saying to say is this, marketing messed everything up, and even if you think about the music, like, right now, marketing told us that digital is better than everything in life. Internet is better than everything in life, right? But guess what? Everybody in the world is trying to go back to when we existed. We're dinosaurs. Me and you was dinosaurs to when we existed. Vinyl is jumping. CDs is jumping.

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  VCRs is jumping. Regular, you got, you got cafes and restaurants that don't allow you to use your phone, because they want you to talk. Everything about us dinosaur time, everybody want to reconnect with that. Everybody is trying to put their phone down more. Think about it. Think about, everybody is, like, everybody is fascinated. I remember I was talking to, what's his name, Lil Yachty. I sent him 50 albums, and I sent him 50 black movies, period, from back, he lost his mind. He couldn't believe the covers. He was like, yo, this shit crazy. I was like, yeah. He's like, it's a lot of ideas. This is the problem. Us older people is losing, the younger people is winning. This is why.

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  They had daytime, and now niggas spend a lifetime going back to check out our time, to check out our music, to check out our movies, to check out our era, to check out our clothes, our style. Do you, you realize that everybody is fascinated with yesterday? But they told us that today is better. Think about it. Think about everything, everything is popping right now, from back in the day. Like, one of y'all vinyls probably cost a shitload of money.

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  Yeah.

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  You got people, I'm seeing, I'm in a, what's that record store, Jay? You might know it, too. The record store in LA. It start with.

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  I mean, yeah.

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  I'm in there on a Saturday, right? So, I go in there, I'm going to grab some CDs, because I bought this, Supreme got this dope ass CD player, right? I bought that joint. I'm like, damn, this joint. So, I go running there, I'm buying some CDs and buying anything. I'm like.

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  I see all these young people when they're buying vinyl. They buying record. I'm like, what the fuck do you know about vinyl? And they just, I'm like, he got, damn, he got Prince. What the fuck he know about that? I know, like, he ain't even got no much. Like, you ain't even got, like, I'm in there, I'm seeing all these young kids of all races nationality just grabbing vinyl. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, NWA, I'm like, they just going crazy. I'm like, where do they even get these lists? They must be Googling, because I'm like, you know, but the fact to see all them in there, so I'm like, they got so much more to tap into. They got a, they got a vault of greatness. I'm talking about, like, even when I talk to kids about certain movies, I'm like, you never seen this? You never seen? They be like, it's just crazy.

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  But the marketing told everybody that digital is better than real life.

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  We also live in a disposable culture that, you know,

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  Yup.

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  we don't revere or even consider it all right, or worthy. Here today and discard it.

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  It's deep.

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  That was a hell of a pivot, man. You, you're good.

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  I'm a, I'm a, I know how to do this. I know how to do this, man.

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  Okay, so as a person who fears never working again, like, how long did it really take for you to acclimate? Yes, I know the importance of, I don't want to give people that, that a false impression that I am 24/7 constantly working and all that stuff. I'm very much aware that, you know, I have to, just to survive, you know? And so, it feels foreign taking a day off. Like, now I'm in a cycle where, like, one day, usually a Sunday, I don't do nothing. And like, to still be in my pajamas like after 2:00 PM, because I'm so programmed to like, I gotta work, gotta do something, gotta feel worthy, or whatever it is.

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  But like, how long does it really take you to wear like, where you mean it? And you're fine with it?

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  Coming into this new year, I mean, coming into this year, right? I said to myself, I'm enjoying me. And I just did it. I just started like, start, stopped taking a lot of phone calls. Like, people be like, you know, had a couple of calls that may hit me that I might text them. Yeah, I'm cool. You cool?

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  I'm really grateful for you stopping here, because...

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  Oh, no, no, no, no. I wanted to come here, because I, I enjoy the platform. So my whole thing is like, I reached out, so Sean, I reached out to Sean. Yo, Sean. Sean has always been like a mentor.

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  Dude.

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  Why is Sean is the guy?

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  Your biggest champion.

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  He's that guy. Like, so, so, so what happened is, I just said, no. I woke up in the St. Regis in Dominican Republic this new year, right? Unbelievable. It was un, it's unbelievable. It's like a new joint they built, right? So I wake up, I'm running, I'm playing in the, I'm running the water, I'm just loving, I'm just like, yeah. And I'm like, mm-hmm, yeah. I ain't answering my phone a lot. I don't need like, no, no, no.

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  No, God.

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  No, I'm like, I'm not answering my phone.

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  The pain I feel.

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  I'm doing me, because, because I realized, and then I wound up getting the spot. I'm going to Miami all the time. I'm like, hold up, I go down here, I might spend in the weekend, you know, to stay in the one or whatever, you spending the grip. I said, man, let me get my own place. Got a place down there on the water, Collins, out there in Surfside, up near Bar Harbor. Dope. And I just started walking, walking and riding my bike, right? I'm walking, I'm enjoying life. And I just keep going. Next thing you know, I wind up in Arizona. I'm like, damn, I'm a Scottsdale, I'm like, let me just drive to Sedona. Drive to Sedona. Next thing you know, I'm on a trail. I'm going to Devil's Bridge, and I'm walking on these trails so deep, I'm in there, I'm like, I gotta sit down, I'm sweating.

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  I'm talking, I'm sweating so much, I'm like, I feel like I'm in a real desert. I'm hiking, I'm doing all, all this, I'm just talking about, I'm just really living, bro. I'm sitting in the crib, right, on a random like Wednesday, in the middle of the day, say, I ain't going nowhere. I'm just watching these movies, I ain't watching in a while. And I'm just living, listening to music, grabbing CDs and, I got cassettes, and I'm just, I'm doing me, man. It's like, because what I realized is I gotta get out of this joint one day. And I don't want to be the person that get to my funeral, and when I show up at my funeral, I'm talking about some, damn, I should have done this. I was in a hospital one time, and I did a video, I was talking about it. And I just walked in there, because I knew this girl there, she was like, Wallow, ever come through? I mean, I got somebody there that I want to see. I went there, somebody was ill.

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  And I was just going room to room, and what I noticed is, all these rooms I went to, just, I was like, tell me all your pace. Nobody was sitting there with them, and I would ask them questions and talk to them. And I realized, a lot of people would be like, live, baby, you better live, so you never know. You just never know, never know. So, I don't want to be the person that sit out here, question, don't be like, nah. Like, I'm telling you, when you give yourself time and you say, I don't even call it cheat day. That's a life day. I'm not doing nothing. Don't try to be slick and just go Sunday. Go Wednesday, go Tuesday and just cut, listen.

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  A weekday?

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  Let's see, see.

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  Squander a weekday?

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  Listen, listen.

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  You know what I can accomplish in a weekday?

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  This is what you do. This is what you do. Write down, listen, listen.

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  Alright.

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  Write down your favorite restaurants in the country. So wherever you at that Tuesday, hotel, whatever, sleep later. Make a reservation for the restaurant later. Just chill. Listen to the music you want to listen to. Just quest, just, just, just enjoy it. It's going to be alright. Nothing's going to happen. You will wake, wake up Wednesday, go like, ah. And you gonna feel better. I'm telling you.

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  Leave it to me to manifest a life of drumming that leads to a life of a career, that leads to a path of a talk show, that leads a path to, for, okay, let's just say, short version of it, giving me time to take my dreams seriously. Because that's a whole nother thing, like, survival and hustling versus like, asking shit like, what is it that you want to do? What is it that you? And that spawning off to a platform is kind of really the most public intervention talk I've ever gotten,

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  probably in my life. But I'm just at that place now, you know? And I, I thank you for this. It's hard being this raw. And like, this is a major fear of mine. This is why I hide and hide behind a drum set, hide behind DJ gear, hide behind Tariq, behind Jimmy Fallon, behind everything. Hide behind the shell. Hide. Because, you know, we know what our like life, mission and our life purpose is. And like, sometimes trying to heed the call is just like one of the most fearful things ever. And so, you know, I, I think maybe watching you,

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  you seen the things where Mario McFly getting on a skateboard and they're all on the black, like, look at him go, look at him go. And I'm just like, yo, like, leadership, like, he knows how to talk to people and communicate and da, da, da, da, da, da. And the way I dream about like, what's my version of that in life? And really, it's me also knowing my avoiding that mission. And how now I know I don't have any choice, like, I can't help but accept that. And so, I mean, I've been running away from it, and it's just like, I, I needed somebody to really... Thanks, man.

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  No problem.

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  This is the Questlove Show.

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  Oh, we not, we not ending this. We not...

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  No, no, okay, we, we can still talk.

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  No, we go...

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  I got, I gotta process everything I just learned today, man.

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  I was just writing for the Black Eyed Peas. I wasn't expecting to write something for myself in that session. But I wrote the hook for "Ordinary People", and I recorded a demo, and I'm like, I would rather keep "Ordinary People" for myself. This station in Chicago, W G C I, they start playing it before we're promoting it. The song spoke for itself. It became the defining song for my first album. I knew it was special, but you never know how special it's going to be and how much impact it's going to have in people's lives. And you never believe that you're going to actually change people's lives with a song.

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  This is the game we gonna play. Question for question. Easy, simple questions, right?

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  Okay.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  I think they simple. They might not be, but we gonna ask questions for question.

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  Yes.

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  I'm gonna start first.

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  Okay.

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  Greatest album you ever heard in your life?

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  Okay, the analytical part of me is gonna intervene because there's kinda two categories. Which is like, there's the album that was the, this is my calling.

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  And then there's the album that's like, this is what I wanna do for a living. I think the calling one's the more stronger one. I spent a lifetime in the family business. My dad was an oldies doo-wop singer from the 50s. My mom sang with him. They had a nightclub backed, so by the time I was five, I was part of the, they didn't believe in babysitters, so they wanted their, you know, like, there's people on the block that never let the kids out their sight, even if it has to be in the nightclub, like, working the lights or whatever. But I grew up interning for my dad. You know, but it's like junior prom time and I wanna get like, I'm gonna get fresh or whatever, so I had to get my first real job.

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  And there's a, you remember Big Al's on U Penn 3401, like?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  I ain't familiar.

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  Big Al was a hamburger spot based on a fictional character from Happy Days.

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  Oh shit.

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  Have you ever seen the video Bloody Holly by Weezer?

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  I remember that.

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  Right, so they're in Big Al's cafe, like, it looks like the 50s, Happy Days. So that was my first, like, getting an after-school job, just so I can get extra money for like, a tux and all that stuff. For most people, a summer job is also like saving up for a leather jacket for next year, for school. And this is the third week of June. And Public Enemy's Nation of Millions album is coming out that day. That album is an achievement of a lot of things, but primarily what it means to me is that's the album that made all the boring parts of my dad's massive record collection make sense. Because like, music-wise, I'm like, wait a minute, dad plays that song at home, I know that song. Oh, I know that guitar a lot.

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  And suddenly it became like a,

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  Made sense.

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  My mind like, yeah, yeah, so it was like CSI, like, literally, I'm going home like, so how they get these drums for that? And then like, I taught myself, you know, watching Stevie Wonder on The Cosby Show, like, do the whole jamming on the one thing with Malcolm Jamal Warner, like, I don't know if you remember that episode, the Huxtables getting in a car accident with Stevie Wonder's limousine.

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  I ain't seen that one.

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  In the most Cosby way ever, him being Stevie Wonder, he invites the Huxtables to visit with him in a music studio

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  Damn.

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  in Brooklyn. And I was like, yeah, what a way to get out of a lawsuit, like,

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  Yeah.

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  any other Brooklyn family would've had a come up, like, Stevie Wonder ran us over. So they all come to visit Stevie Wonder. And he's just like messing around, having a jam session. And what he's showing them is how sampling works. And so he has each one of them come up, like, say a word, Theo, and he'll be like, jamming on the one. Like, this is the prime Rocket,

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  All that stuff.

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  all that stuff era. But what it's also doing, it's planting a seed with every 15, 16, 17-year-old, like, what's that? And I'm watching this, Just Blaze is watching this, DJ Premier is watching this, Pete Rock is watching this, Q-Tip. So what it's doing is putting a chip in our head that there's a digital way to be creative with music and records through sampling. And so it seemed like a novelty on that show, but what it's secretly gonna do is gonna change our lives. And three years later, this is when classic hip-hop like makes sense. So in order to sample, you need something to sample, so we all go in our, whatever's at home, and my dad just happened to have an immaculate record collection.

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  So by the time Public Enemy comes along, it was a moment so powerful. And I, you know, I'm supposed to be there to start cutting french fries at like 11 a.m. for the rush order. I'm from West Philly, 52nd and New Sage, and I worked at 3401 in U Penn. And by the time I got to work, I was at the top of Side 2, showing what you got.

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  Jump, jump what you got.

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  Yeah, and I just never heard a musical assault of my life soundtrack thrown at me that way. And I wanted in on it. And I went on my lunch break and I had to hear what Side 2 sounded like. So I went on my lunch break, sat in the park, and I just, I never went back to work. I listened to that record six times over and was like, this is what I wanna do for a living. So called Tariq and we're, this is back in the day, remember? Like, he used to play like songs over the phone and whatnot. Every classic hip-hop record, like, he would play me the entire Cool G rap thing, like, play Men at Work like four times in a row.

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  We've been closing our show with Men at Work like for the last 20 years, just, you know, that's our connection. But yeah, Nation of Millions is really the album that like, was my come to Jesus moment where I can take the ingredients inside my house and figure out a way for me to utilize that so I can get me and us out of that house. Because it's also the 80s. And you know what it is. So to me, I mean, it's a creative album, but it was also like the blueprint I needed, music education to figure out how to get out of there.

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  Major.

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  What's yours?

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  Process, Samphire.

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  What is about that album that touched you?

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  I first got home from prison, right? And I used to walk Broad Street all the time. I walked from Broad and Allegheny to South Street, downtown, whatever, right? So I'm in a record store on South Street, 2017. So I go inside, and there's a lot of albums I can name that I love over the years that was just great, but this is different.

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  I go inside the record store and there's a song called Plastic playing. He got a song called Plastic.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  You hear his voice is like,

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  I know his voice well.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  So, so I asked the dude in the record store, yo, what is that? Because it was a sound I never heard before, but it was, and it was emotional. It was like, and he said, right there, you standing in front of me, pointing, I was like, and the album was there, the vinyl, right?

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  Mm-hmm.

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  So I went on my thing, found it, and I must've had that song on repeat for like weeks. It was something that I needed to, I don't know, it was just that it was a lot, coming home from prison, my brother and I, brother getting killed when I was in prison, I'm coming home. And it was deep because I came home and I remember myself,

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  I was looking for my brother, what I was looking for my brother. Because, you know, I never, being in prison, I ain't go to the funeral, so I'm thinking like, it'd be like, I'll be laughing about something, it'd be, you know, you know how sometime we might laugh? Well, I don't know if everybody do this, I'm laughing at myself, talking to myself, like, wait till I tell Stee this. I might see something funny.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  Catch yourself.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  And I'm just, but that song is just, it just was like, it was the emotional thing I was going through, just being home and and always talking about, thinking I'm gonna see, it was deep about my brother. So that song got me through all this, it got me through. And then after that, that's the album, but just him in itself, he got another song called Can't Get Close on the EP he had, but it was just deep. So I always say to myself like, yo, I don't care. So I started DMing him, like, yo, I gotta, I'm like, man, I gotta, I gotta meet you. And I see you read the DMs, but no listening. So everybody like this, this, no, it was so powerful, right? Because I'm the dude that's like this, I'm still a fan of music and people I know.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  All right.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  I still lose my mind, I see a legend.

• 26:35Speaker 00

  Uh-huh.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  I'm like, whoa, I go crazy, right? So, and I'm, I'm all right, so I'm like, I'm, so anybody that I would run into that'd be like, a supporter, what I got going, and they'd be from London, I'd be like, yo, you know Samphire? They'd be like, yo, I'll be seeing him on the show, I'm like, yo, tell him that I'm looking for him, right?

• 26:52Speaker 02

  So, so everybody that knew me knew that I loved Samphire. I would post his stuff, I would put stuff in the store, I'm like, yo, this is the guy. His music is the greatest in the world. So, so one day I get a call, right, it's 2022, my birthday, June 21st, right? So I get a call, I get a call from Shanice, my homegirl, Shanice in London, she work at, because I'm the coach advisor, YouTube at the time. So she work in London, I get a call from her and Tuma, you know Tuma Basa?

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  So him and, her and Tuma called me, they were like, yo, Wallow, this is that third, we need you to come to London. And I'm like, what we gotta do, we gotta do some like, we need you to, we need you to come to London and we doing this thing, uh, program, because they had a program, always, you know, interview people or different type of stuff.

• 27:39Speaker 00

  Right.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  So it was like, yeah, we need you to come, you know, I mean, you know, it's your birthday, but we need you to come to interview somebody. I'm like, all right, I'm like, what? They talking about, they talking about, we need you to interview Samphire. So I hung the phone, I'm like, man, I'm like, yeah, all right. So I'm like, I'm laughing, they're like, no, we, so I'm thinking he joking, right?

• 27:53Speaker 00

  Right.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Man, so this is my first time ever out the country. At this time, I was on parole, I'm not on parole. I already had my passport, but I never knew when I was gonna use it. So they say, if you had a criminal record before, they not gonna let you in London.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  London's so hard, man.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  So listen, so listen, I'm, this is my first time out the country, I'm by myself, I get off the plane, right?

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Anxiety.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  Listen, hold up, hold up, hold up. I get off the plane, right? So when I get off the plane, I walk into these, you know how they got the, the thing you put your passport on in the open? But when I go, it's the dude next to me, so he got, I put my joint, as he put his joint, turn red, eh. So I'm like, oh, is that me? So I'm like, no, but it ain't. So it's him, it kept, so the people come out, they say, come with me. So I'm like, oh shit. So I go back again, put it there. It's taking time, right? It's taking time, right? It's taking time. So I'm like, oh shit. And it turned green and it opened. I was like, so I'm like, damn. Cause listen, you gotta think about, I've never been out, I'm by myself. So I go walk through there, you know, you gotta go get to the Ubers, but they be like the, I couldn't wait to get into them cars.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  Oh, exactly.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  I'm like, yo, this is decent. I'm a little scared because I'm not used to the cars coming this way.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  So I, so I'm in the window, I said, let me slide away, cause this, this seem weird, cause the car is coming this way, we going. So we go, I get there to the hotel. And I'm like, I ain't really believing this happened. So I, I can remember a couple of days, I'm in London, going to Soho with Toma, going to the YouTube building and I'm going, doing a bunch of stuff. Next thing you know, they're like, yeah, man, the day comes, I'm like, I go to meet him. I couldn't believe, when I walked in that room, I, I, you know, tears, just unbelievable tears came, just kept coming out of me. Cause I was like, yo, you've been the soundtrack to me getting Dylan, my brother. It was just, it was just a cra- I put it on, I don't know if you've seen it, it was on social media, it was just like, it was so much for me. Because I was like, I grew up at a time where it's though, you never got to personally talk to the artist you was a fan of.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  I never met Shawty, I never seen him need to be at Prince. So, so it was like this back in the day moment that I was loving, cause it seemed like everybody is so attainable. And the thing that I like about him, he don't post like that. You don't see him, you don't really like, and we did an interview that I got. We never released this, that interview that day, it never was released. I still got it.

• 30:12Speaker 00

  You just talked to him?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  I talked to a crowd, but it never released, I got the footage, we never released it.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Why are you holding it?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm gonna put it out, I got something I'm working on, but I put it, but me and him, he told everybody to leave the room and me and him talked. And he said like, he was so messed up, cause he was like, I didn't, I didn't know my music would do this for somebody. And it was like humbling to him, he was like, and I'm like, what? I'm telling myself like, you don't know who the fuck you is? Like, he didn't, like, I think, hearing somebody talk to you about, cause this is personal, this is about my brother dying, this is about my life, about me coming, you know, my reentry back to society, this is different, I think it's a different story for him. And the main thing I wanted, I was like, I said, did you know I was looking for you? He said, I had about five people tell me. I said, yeah. He said, I was on the train with this guy one time. I was like, that's the dude that should see you on the train, he's telling me I see Sam on the train.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  So it was this like, that album was like everything.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  Where he got to him.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  To where it's though, that's like, every playlist I have, Sam is always number one on my list, on my playlist, no matter what sound it is. So that's, that's like the album that's like, everything.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  The knows that are easy to give because of logic is the know of my unavailability. And I have to say, like, two of my biggest regrets in creativity. I first met him, so there was one time in life, and really it was only for a day and a half, where I was the Rafael Sadiq role of Solange's a seat at the table. She had asked me to like, this is a part of my life where like, now, now that D'Angelo's voodoo is like 20 years old.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  Like the ripple effect is now like, alright, where you start getting the calls of new artists that are like influenced by, like, that's their Stevie Wonder, whatever. And so, we literally only did one song, with the, the song that opens that album. Fall in your ways.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 00

  And to be in a room full of musicians I'd never met before. And the odd thing about it was that, when we recorded, it was done in one of those like hipster Brooklyn studios, but we weren't facing each other as we were playing, our backs were turned.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:21Speaker 00

  And so, I'd never got to see Sam's face, like, he was a keyboard player on that song.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 00

  And she's trying to tell me like on the low, like, cause she's, she has that antenna where she knows, like, who the next, you know, and brings us together. And um, I did my homework, because of touring and all that stuff, I couldn't finish the rest of the album. However, like, once I discovered, like, whoa, I played with that dude, then I became an instant fan and twice, uh, he's asked me to like, play on his record, but I just had like, that's like one of my main regrets of that and Thundercat, like, two people that I should've made time out to, to work with and, and I never got to do so, but especially for him, like,

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 00

  I feel you with that. Alright, so I will ask you, what is, and I'm talking about your childhood.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Memories from one to 10 or whatever, when you mark that time period. What is the one cool kid item that you got to experience or have when you were a kid? Like, a, a happy memory that, or something that's fond and fuzzy to you?

• 33:34Speaker 02

  This is major, I remember, I never forgot, for like Christmas, right? My brother got me a troop jacket. I went, I lost my mind.

• 33:45Speaker 00

  For Christmas?

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, for, this what happened. What was so crazy is that, he didn't even rap it that good. So as I'm going to, I'm in nanny house, I see something, I'm like, what the hell is that? And I see it, and I'm like, and I seen like, it was like a whole, probably like this big. I'm like, that's a troop jacket, that gotta be for me, cause it's small, cause I'm like the pack, I'm like, yo, listen, this is no BS, I emailed my mom, told me one time, she was like, boy, I know that jacket's staying, take it off, I slept in it, I never took this jacket, I wore that every, and you know, and you know, I got all the different type of, it was different colors on it, so it don't even match anything. But I wore that jacket every day. I'm telling you, I wore it down until it be like spraying like sun coming out.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  I wore that jacket, listen, man, I never took that jacket off, he got me that, that was like, cause he got it for me, I was like, yo. And I had these colorful like Reeboks, I forget the name, it was, that ma- and it didn't match, nothing matched, but I just wore that fit forever, like it didn't matter.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  There's this legendary dude from Philly, okay, like, I'm, I'm born in 71.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  So by the time LL's Bigger and Deffler comes out, uh, it's 87, I'm 16. And of course, like, uh, that second LL album, like, was kind of the explosion of like, uh, obtainable streetwear, if you will, for those that couldn't afford the, the Dapper Dan's and, you know, that level of dress, you could get you a troop.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could.

• 35:12Speaker 00

  I mean, besides, I mean, there's TI, there's

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Bunch of other stuff.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  Hip hop was inclusive, if Run DMC can get an Adidas, I can get an Adidas.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Uh, Lee Kyle Sporty.

• 35:21Speaker 00

  Yes, yes, exactly. So, there was this cat though, I lived in West Philly and my elementary school was downtown in Philly on Broad Street. And um, so every day, this guy would get on and he would be dressed, he only had three outfits and they were all troops. And he would dress like LL Cool J.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  That was major.

• 35:42Speaker 00

  He was major then. You know this guy?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I don't know, I don't know him, but to do that is major, all, the whole fit.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  But the thing is, you remember how LL's dancing? And I'm bad video like

• 35:56Speaker 02

  He was doing that.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  That's how he would approach you, like, you know me from the video. My head is like a shot spear.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Yo, yo, he was crazy, he was crazy, I love it.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  It was like, it was 87.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  I would have, if I'd have sell him out of there, I'd have been like, yo, he a legend.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  It was like seeing a real, yeah.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  I'd have been like, damn.

• 36:15Speaker 00

  And he was deaf, so the thing is, but the thing is like, you know, like sometimes you'll, you'll see a person that like, if you're on your routine walk, and he would always, uh, usually, uh, hearing impaired.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  They will have like these cards that teach you how to do, do, I've supported that guy, I believe he's giving him $30 over, between 7th grade and 9th grade.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  That's a lot of money, back then. You loved him, you loved him, he's a lot of money.

• 36:41Speaker 00

  I think I still remember that, that you would buy a pamphlet for him and you give him a dollar. And that's how we come up, he'd just get on the L and go through each thing and, and just he's like a jelly bean and girls be like, oh my god, like, but he only

• 36:57Speaker 00

  Every day he wore troop, but it was like it was his job to be on that 716 AM train.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  He, he made some money on that train. That was his route, that was his route, cause he knew he was gonna see you. You gotta say, you giving him a dollar, that, listen, $30, I mean, that, that was a span of time you gave him that, you ain't just giving him 30.

• 37:18Speaker 00

  I've always had a soft spot for buskers, even now. I, I think it's because Billie Jean was my favorite music video.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 00

  And there's, like, everyone has their, they wanna emulate Michael Jackson moment. It's just, it's just that my moment happens to be the moment in Billie Jean where he tosses the quarter aside of the cup, and then his, it turns into white tuxedo and gloves.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 37:43Speaker 00

  That's my god complex moment, where, you know, the, the first time we got in advanced, like, I was that guy, like, going around like, you know, what the hell, you know, like that sort of thing and be out, but I've always had a soft spot for anyone, a street musician or a busker or,

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, all that.

• 38:03Speaker 00

  I was your perfect demographic for that.

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• 38:59Speaker 00

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• 39:56Speaker 02

  You know who I was fascinated with?

• 39:58Speaker 00

  What?

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Who's the dude that used to be on Soul Train?

• 40:02Speaker 00

  Louis. Louis Carr.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  He was the greatest.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Listen, he was the greatest dude in the world to me. He was the coolest dude, listen. He'd do a dance move, right? He'd be like this and he'd just dance. And just come back. He, and he always was sharp. He always had that gear on. Greatest moment of my life.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 40:20Speaker 00

  Okay, like, this is now the second greatest moment of my life.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  No, the greatest moment of my life was a moment Tariq and I just had last week in, before I texted you about the book.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  You don't even know that what you really did was you helped heal. Tariq and I had a healing moment.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  After I read you, you said something, but that's a whole nother episode. But I will say, and that turned that moment and that show into the greatest show that I've ever did. But the second greatest one was in 2006. We had finally made what was then known as the Universal Amphitheater. It was like the last days of that particular destination point as a concert. So like, we kind of feel like we made it. Not exactly the Forum or Staples Center, but like, worthy. I had invited him because Dice's mentor, Kilo.

• 41:19Speaker 00

  Kilo, before he really started getting deep into the Roots world, like he did clones and all that stuff. Um, his claim to fame was that Belvedevaux had liked his beat tape and picked him to work with them in Los Angeles. So he'd be, he's like in Camp Belvedevaux inside their mansion and all that stuff. And like, because they've been on Soul Train so many times.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Legends.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  Louis Carr was always with him. Louis Carr was just like before YouTube, before.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  He was that guy.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Every week, if you wanted your fix of how you think Michael Jackson would dance, and literally, he wouldn't dance. He would just.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  He'd be cool.

• 41:58Speaker 00

  He is the seed that basically planted Diddy. Like someone that sells charisma.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  He also gave me the version of a younger Billy Dee Williams mixed with a dude that got happy feet. Cause he had happy feet, you know how to do.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he exuded confidence.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  He was that guy.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  And there's a reason why we were drawn to that. Because we never got to see, it seems silly, like just Google Louis Carr Soul Train.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  I'm gonna, I need that name.

• 42:28Speaker 00

  But.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  Shit, I need that name.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  But yeah, Louis Carr, and his name is Ski. Lu- Lu Ski, Lu Ski Carr, C-A-R-R, Lu Ski Carl. And there's just a period between 1981 and like 1990 that he was just our weekly fix on Soul Train.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  I gotta check him out.

• 42:50Speaker 00

  For just how to be the man, like how to pose and mean it. Yes. You don't understand, Soul Train is, you know, like people will be like, yo, when I come up.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  I'm going on Soul Train.

• 43:03Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, I'm talking about just regular like hood, like yo, I'm gonna get this mansion, y'all, I'm gonna get this car, I'm gonna get this girl. If you were to ask me in 1996, 97, like, what is it that you want most on this earth? Without no doubt, my idea of heaven is like, if I can own all 1,137 episodes of Soul Train.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Anybody got that, you, you a legend if you got that.

• 43:34Speaker 00

  The way that I would dream, like I will, every memory of my life, the reason why Soul Train, I was raised in a, you're not allowed to watch television, read a book, listen to a record. I was raised by those parents. If it was music education, they would allow me to watch it. And here's the thing though, which you might don't know. Now, when you talk about Soul Train, Soul Train is normally a 12 in the afternoon activity. Clean the house.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  Soul Train is on. Now, there's a period between 1975 and 1982 where the powers that be at channel 48, then turned to channel 29, then turned to channel 57, and then 17, and then back to 57. Where syndicate, local syndicated, like you just had to be there, kids, ask your parents about local syndicate.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Local cable, we had local.

• 44:23Speaker 00

  Right. And it would really just depend on the cultural sensitivity at whoever is running that station. And if they decide, Soul Train, put that on at 1 a.m. on Saturday. From 1975 to 1982, my parents and I had an agreement. By 8:30, I better be in bed. Shower, bed, 8:30. However, when the second song comes on Saturday Night Live at around 12:40, we'll wake you up. And then by 1:00 in the morning, in West Philly, in a dark ass house

• 45:07Speaker 00

  under a crocheted blanket, peeking through the eyes. I'm allowed to watch a gray dancing train yell at me from out of space. I'm five, so it's a little scary hearing Joe Cobb saying, "Bust out!" Like, it's, it's, it's scary, but it's also like, we like being scared. That burst of adrenaline, I just fed off of week after week after week after week after week. So the way that I would just dream of like, at my level, okay, yo, oh God, I'm having my Thundercat moment with anime when I describe like what it means to me. And so, that's my North Star.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  And I think I got music education to start a group with my best friend in high school so that I can maybe get famous, so I can figure out a way how to get to Soul Train episodes. Like that's my level of Soul Train. I know all the light combinations of this particular thing, like the way that you know, like dunk combinations with Nike, like that's my synesthetes, my everything. And so, yeah, like Soul Train is my North Star. So, one night in 2006 at the amphitheater, at the end, Lu Ski came out from nowhere, from the wings doing his like, his dancing shit. And I.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Legend.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  I just, I lost it like I was seeing Michael Jackson.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  If you only could watch one episode.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  Motherfucker, yo.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  I got to, I'm asking Root, like, you gotta pick one episode.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  There's two greatest episodes of all time?

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Ah, it's two. That's cheap.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Okay, so this is what people don't know. Most people will acknowledge based on the movie that the tipping point of Michael Jackson's career is the night of Motown 25 in 1983, where he unleashes the moonwalk and thus enables Thriller to start selling a million a week for like 28 weeks in a row. That's the viral moment that all of America was watching that caused Thriller to get Michael Jackson to that point. However, 10 years before that, in 1973, is where he kind of had a moment, like you, you see magazines where they do the whole thing, like stars are just like us.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Before, the, the gift of the Jackson 5 really was the fact that they looked, you know, like Jill Scott looks like our audience and that's why they gravitate towards. The Jackson 5 were primed to look like their audience, what America's kids were looking like. And the moment Michael unleashes the robot in 1973 on Dancing Machine, which had been displayed on the show since 1971. But it's the first time that a star, celebrity, didn't have to do, you know, the four tops dance or the, the temptation stuff. It's like, oh, you dance like I do. And that was the first connection of Michael Jackson, like, oh, not only does he sing with his brothers, but when he moves,

• 48:08Speaker 00

  that's even more important. And like, that's the moment that Michael Jackson, where like, the power of dance, and I might be a better dancer than you are. And when you gotta watch him dance, like that episode, he had a Motown 25 moment 10 years before Motown 25. Like, on the real, what sustained the Jackson 5 was just that period of Dancing Machine, being on the Carol Burnett Show, American Bandstand, all these shows in the 70s, and him doing the robot. You know him for like five seconds that he's doing something that you could never do in your lifetime.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  No, you can't.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  And the reason why it was magnetic is because we didn't have VCRs.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  You can record that.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  Back then, so you, when the Jacksons were on between their inception and say, maybe 1983 during Motown 25, when you seen it, you studied it, and that was it. And that's why the ushers or the Ciscos, like there was a period where like, because they're the generation of the, of the remote control, they were allowed to watch that at 5 and keep rewinding and studying the precision of it. So, it's like the timing of Michael Jackson to me is even more fascinating than that. Oh my God, yo, this, you brought me down. A rabbit hole that I did not expect. Well, thanks, man.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  No problem.

• 49:33Speaker 00

  I appreciate it. 0267, wait, did I even introduce him at the top of the show or did we go right into it?

• 49:40Speaker 02

  You ain't need to.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  I'm sorry, brother.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  It don't even matter. Go out there, get the book.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  I signed your copy.

• 49:47Speaker 00

  Yes, I.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Go get it.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  I needed this, thank you.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  I appreciate it.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  And I receive it, thank you, y'all.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  We'll see you in the next go round, if there's a next go round of Questlove Show.

• 50:04Speaker 00

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• 50:47Speaker 00

  podcasts. Make sure you follow us on socials. That's at Q L S. Check out hundreds and hundreds of Q L S episodes, including The Questlove Supreme Shows in our podcast archives. The Questlove Show is a production of iHeart Radio.

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