JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Matt is the host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton and is the owner and lead instructor at Serra BJJ. Din is a mixed martial arts analyst, actor, and host of "FightCourt."www.groundcontrolbaltimore.comwww.serrabjj.comwww.youtube.com/@FightCourt Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Visit https://www.squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  You good? We're up. We're up.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  What? Hi guys. We're back.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  It's just like getting pulled over by the cops, the window rolls down, cops like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

• 0:26Speaker 01

  Shit. Joe, I took one hit of that shit. That shit was strong as hell. I feel high already.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  That's good for you, Dean. It's good for you. Opens your mind. It's the right stuff. Yeah, there's some talk about Trump legalizing marijuana now. That would be amazing.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  It kind of feels like it is legal right now.

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, it should be. It's so stupid. It's so... I can't believe we're still dealing with this. I mean, I would have thought by the time I just turned 58, I would have thought by the time I'm 58, we would have figured this out.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Can I tell you, when I... with my ulcerative colitis, it always... we always thought with my ass for some reason. With my ulcerative colitis, after my colonoscopy one time, the doctor's like, "Well, there's this pill you could take. It could affect your liver, but not for many years." Like, not for... Now, this was when I was like 39. I'm 51 now. I'd be... I'd be going to Columbia for themselves for my fucking liver at this point. So, what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me. It just... it just helps, and I don't have to... If that's not fucking with my liver...

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  It would... it would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem. The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry. Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right? Yeah, and they've done studies. They know. They lobby. They work on it hard. They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the whole nation.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Alcohol's way worse.

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  Way worse.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  An age-old conversation, but...

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, the real big problem is who's selling if it's illegal? The cartel.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  And I've talked about this before, if you've heard it before, I'm sorry, but there's a guy named John Norris who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden. He wrote a book called Hidden War. He was a game warden in California. You know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit. He loves the woods, loves being outdoors.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Oh, he came on the shit.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  And he came upon a fucking cartel grow up in the middle of the national forest. And then they realize, oh no, this is what they do. They go deep into the woods and public land and they set up a grow up and they got fucking AKs and they got, you know, the Virgin Mary photos, what they pray to at night. It's crazy. Like full on campsites filled with cartel dudes. They started turning into a tactical team. So this guy had to get Belgian Malmois and bulletproof vests and they're getting shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger and he's out there.

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  No shit.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:50Joe Rogan?

  Hear people's fish stories. Like, how'd you get this one? You know, no, he's fucking getting shootouts. Because it's illegal.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  With the cartels, damn.

• 2:58Joe Rogan?

  So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 3:09Joe Rogan?

  So the cartel could just grow illegally. It's a misdemeanor. And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit. Like, so it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow ups. And what he was saying at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as eighty percent of the marijuana, I think, that was the number, in the country, in places where it's illegal, is coming from these dudes. And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbuses that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit. Shit that's outlawed on farms in America, but it's effective and so they're using it. So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbuses. There's no rules, man. It's illegal weed.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking farms and the factories. It'd be just like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, we'd all be fucked. We'd be drinking moonshine. No one would, you know what I mean?

• 4:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  Fuck a nice glass of wine. You're drinking fucking straight up alcohol, nasty shit, because that's all that's available. And that's what people are doing right now. It's dumb. It it empowers the the people that are criminals.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Well, you said it before. It's it's the money.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  They're gonna affect the the big pharma and we all have seen after, you know, from covid, what the hell kind of power big pharma has.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're worried about it, but I think the alcohol people are worried more.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  The alcohol people got us twice. They were fighting. Remember they fought MMA hard too, Bud Light.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  Did they? Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Because of boxing, you know.

• 4:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, true. That Bud Light became a sponsor.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  Years later. How long did the prohibition last for? Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point. I think it was 10 years. Was it 10 years, Jamie? Must have been a rough fucking 10 years. Bro, it had to be crazy. Yeah, right? But that's where that's where the Orson's Crime got all their money. 13 years. Yep, that's where Nash. 13 fucking years. For 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country. You know how crazy that is? A grown man telling you you can't have a drink. Right. Who the? Same thing with a smoke. What's the problem with that? Exactly the same thing. It's it's weird. Exactly the same thing. We're just delusional about it. And we put it under the label drug, which is alcohol. Alcohol's a drug dummy. It's a drug. Everything's a drug. There's a lot of drugs. Caffeine is a drug.

• 5:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly. We're drinking espresso. We just stop it. It's just knowing how to use each drug. And the only way you know how to use it is if people are honest. And if they do studies. You have actual scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result. You know, that's what it's supposed to be. Yeah. For all of us, it's all just fucking co-opted by money.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Did you know Maryland didn't enforce it? Never heard that.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  Maryland didn't enforce. Well, that's good.

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  So you have one thing for Maryland. Shout out to Baltimore. By the way, how crazy is that?

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Right?

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  Also home of ground control. Yeah. Hey, guys, I guess I missed a memo. Matt Sarah, this was a totally organic move. I know. Totally. We didn't talk about this at all.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Well, I saw Matt wore his last time and I said, well, that's it. The green light. I'm shamelessly self-promoting. And then Dean came down. I go, motherfucker, I gotta represent. And then you came in with it, so.

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  Talk about it. I know, that's crazy. I feel like I'm left out of the loop here. I know. I wish we had some extras.

• 6:39Joe Rogan?

  Shit, I had an extra one too. You know what's so funny? I had one that was still in the package and I was like, should I bring this? I'm like, no, I don't need this. I think you should have.

• 6:50Joe Rogan?

  That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of those shirts. And I ignored it.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

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• 9:33Speaker 01

  That's good for you? And I've been telling you, I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza, and I still got abs. Uh oh, here it comes. The Sarah Slice. Can I tell you, I'm sorry? You're having a good one on me. I can see it in Midtown right now. You're fucking good on me. Sarah Slice. Can I tell you right now? That I'm so proud of this. I don't like to brag. A little bit. Dean does. Dean knows a little bit. But on Long Island, we have three champions. Four if you include Murab. You know, he's adopted by us. Chris Weidman has his own day in Long Island. Aljamain Sterling has his own day. I'm not butthurt about not having my own day, but I have something better.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Thank you, Talios, from Asapico Park in Mineola. I have my own Sarah Slice. It's the best fucking... It'll knock your dick off. It's the best slice. I put it up against any slice. That's right. That you could give me. And the reason being, now, listen. Tell Dave Portnoy. They import... Listen. Tell him what he said. This kid, Rob. There he is, my buddy, Rob. Oh, he's talking about it.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  UFC legend. So I'm gonna show you guys how we make the Sarah. Our Roman shell here. We're gonna go down with our grande, no moisture, mozzarella. This is a very simple... Pizza, nice stripes of our chow, tomato sauce, imported from Italy.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Imported from Italy!

• 11:05Speaker 05

  Sea salts, basil, and olive oil. That is my recipe for my tomato sauce. No sugar. Stop putting sugar in your sauce. And we have our beautiful house-made vodka sauce.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  We make it with prosciutto di Parma.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  I'm getting a hold on! Matt, tell him where the dough comes from, Matt. He's gonna say.

• 11:25Speaker 05

  We're gonna go down with some fresh.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Caputo, caputo flour from Italy. No bromine, no preservatives.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  Sicilian oregano. We have some beautiful fiordilatte fresh mozzarella.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Come on, man!

• 11:36Speaker 05

  That we just like to break up.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Wait for the fucking pesto.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  And put on top.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Wait for the pesto.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  The Sarah, super simple. Go in the oven, about eight minutes.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Look at this fucking thing. Look at this fucking thing. Hell yeah.

• 11:50Joe Rogan?

  This is one of the best advertisers for carbs I've ever seen.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  No bromine, no bleach. No doubt. And I tell you, this is the only green I eat. I eat that fucking.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  Peccorino.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Ready?

• 12:04Speaker 05

  And of course.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Oh, the money shot!

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Let's fucking go, Rob!

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  The pesto.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  Take a bite.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  Guys, I'm so, I'm so proud.

• 12:16Speaker 05

  Sarah, come get it now. Both locations, Calio Pizza.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  He was so happy. That's the first time you'll ever see Matt's mouth shut. I'm so happy.

• 12:29Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  You gotta go, dude.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Man, why you didn't bring us none? Dude, can I tell you, I'm there all the fucking time. I, my, my podcast I'm doing, I found the first shop near Miniola Train Station. And I'm like, this fucking shit's ridiculous, you know? And then the guy happens to be a fan of the fighting, Rob. So then he's like, look, I'm opening up another spot, dude, in Massapequa Park. Dude, that's five minutes from my house. This is meant to be. It's fucking meant to be. And now he's training now, Rob, so. That's awesome. Calio's Pizza, the G is silent like lasagna. And I, I just, I'm so happy.

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  That is the number one problem with any of that carnivore diet bullshit. Just the number one, the number one problem is pizza.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Oh, right, yeah, no doubt.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  Italian subs.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  He was telling me that it's not even legal in Europe to have the bromate. I didn't know what the fuck bromate was.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  He goes, it's stuff they put in the, in the, uh, the dough to make it last longer and this and that.

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  This kid has such balls where he even started importing twice as much for a flour, kaput, kaput flour. Dude, I don't know much, I know a lot about this. You know, I'm having espresso, he tells me the whole thing about it.

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  You feel different if you eat that flour.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school. And I, I'm not doing that with Pietro's, no offense. I'm not doing that with others. He has a, it's so good.

• 13:48Joe Rogan?

  Potassium bromate, a flour additive used to strengthen dough, may have potential health risks. While it's legal in the US, it's banned in many other countries due to concerns about its potential carcinogenic effects. Studies have linked it to kidney and thyroid cancers in animals. Well, fucking duh. And it's been associated with genotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in both animal models and humans. Acute symptoms from ingestion can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  And they put this in our flour.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  Dude, that's what I'm saying.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  Causes changes in DNA.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 14:25Joe Rogan?

  And potentially lead to mutations.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Guys.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, man.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Look at that fucking statement.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Dude, that's why, man, I.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Notice its place at the end.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Give this kid so much credit, nobody does this, people, they can't do this. They can't import the flour, it's just more, but this kid's killing it. And it's fucking, and it's, it's such a difference, man. They say when you go to Italy and you come back and you're eating all that shit and you come back, you're not fat. It's that shit, it's the flour, man. And he makes the heroes out of the same flour.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, do you remember that video that I sent you about that dude breaking down exactly what's in flour? And why it fucks us up? Do you remember that video? You'll find it. The dude with the hat on, who's the health expert, is a young guy. And he does an amazing job of breaking down the difference between our flour and their flour. And you see, you get so upset. You're like, this is so crazy. You guys let them do this to us. Yeah, it's banned in other countries, but legal here. How's that possible? Crazy. You would think- Why are we putting up with this shit? Why, why, yeah. Taste the difference, dude. It's because it's slow poison. Yeah. It's not like alcohol is like, whoa, you feel it the next day. Like, oh my god. Pizza is just a slow poison. A slow poison with our poisoned dough.

• 15:39Joe Rogan?

  It weighs you down, though. It fucking weighs you down. It would be just as good, just as good, in terms of how you feel when you eat it. Just as good flavor-wise, just not fucking kill you.

• 15:50Speaker 06

  Explain to me why I can eat bread in Spain and in, I can eat in Greece, Italy? No problem. Why, I was gluten-free in, fifteen years I've been gluten-free in, uh,

• 16:06Speaker 06

  Canada, America.

• 16:09Speaker 06

  Can't eat it.

• 16:09Speaker 07

  That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf-stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas. The bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

• 16:50Speaker 07

  So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically-altered, bleached, bromated, fake-vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 17:04Speaker 08

  That's wow.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  In neon sign up in his thing, no bleach, no bromate.

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Dude, I got fucking abs still, I can eat pizza, it's like heaven.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  He's at the right time now, too, because people are starting to be made aware.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, yeah, and you can blame it on gluten all you want, but it, go eat pizza in Italy. Give it a shot. You feel good.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  It's like I'm doing that every day.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  Pasta there.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pasta is incredible. There's a few places that I catch it on.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  How I cheat here on pasta, like at back home, Di Pasquale's is the big Italian spot and, uh, they have, you can get ricotta gnocchi's, so they're made with ricotta cheese and, you know, it's like maybe five grams of carbs in a thing of, uh, of gnocchi.

• 17:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could cheat it out, but if you really want to get fucking blasted with some carbs, lasagna will do you in.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  Lasagna will do you in, oh my god, there's something about Italian food, when I'm really hungry, I just can't help it, I don't care about my diet, fuck it.

• 18:02Speaker 08

  The sauces and all that stuff, yeah, it gets you.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  You know Joe DeRosa, the comedian?

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard you talking about it.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  He's got a place called Joey Roses, it's a sandwich shop, and Joey Roses, they import all their flour.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  That's the thing.

• 18:14Joe Rogan?

  And it's the same thing, they, they make their bread fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day, they never use stale bread and they never use any preservatives and he's like, that's the difference, like you can eat these sandwiches and you feel good.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, I'm telling you.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy, that's rare, isn't that weird?

• 18:28Speaker 08

  That should not be how you consume food, you know what I'm saying, like you should be feeling good, I feed all the time.

• 18:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're fucking poisoning ourselves and the fact that it's illegal in China and all these other places, like, how is, we're more corrupt than them? That's crazy.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  I mean, that was part of it, too, when you talk about the trade imbalances, some of our food not being able to go over there was just the fact that they wouldn't allow the food to come over.

• 18:53Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's not even food to them.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  It's not even legal, that bromate and shit, man, it's fucking crazy.

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

  It's fucked up that we're feeding that to our kids and these regulators knew about it, they knew about it for a long time and they, if you're in that business, if that's your business, you fucking know what's going on and you guys let them just do that to people for profit, cause they can make more money this way.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  But also, there's a problem with feeding fucking 300 million people. That's a problem. Any disruptions to the food source is a fucking dangerous thing because no one's growing shit. You know, we're all relying on someone else to do the growing work. And then what are we doing? We're fucking going to these farms and catching all the people that are doing the work. And then deporting them, which is like, whoa. We need it. We need that. Bro, we can't do anything right. We can't do anything right.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Be a little fair about the bromate stuff. It's been used since 1923 and FDA has been telling people to stop using it since 1991.

• 19:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow. They've been telling people to stop using it, but they didn't tell them they have to stop using it.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  Well, they urge, it's up to people to do whatever they want in America.

• 20:03Joe Rogan?

  But in America, is it the only place that uses it?

• 20:06Speaker 04

  I don't know about only. It's just many countries.

• 20:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Canada too. Of course, Canada does. They're like our little brother, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. This is part of the show where I talk about AG1, which I've done for years. And usually I like to talk about routine. And don't get me wrong, because routine is super important. And AG1 is exactly the kind of daily, easy routine that can help you feel healthy and help you get the nutrients that your body needs. But even if you love a routine, isn't it nice to switch it up a little? Well, here we go. After 15 years of the original, AG1 has introduced three new flavors. Tropical, Berry, and Citrus. It's still daily, it's still a routine, but it's no longer one flavor fits all. And honestly, the best part is that's the only thing that's changed. Besides new flavors,

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• 21:32Joe Rogan?

  They're our little cousin. We gotta hang out with at fucking family weddings. You know that one cousin? And he texts you later and you're like, "Jesus Christ."

• 21:46Joe Rogan?

  We all got that one cousin, right? He's just like, "Yo, man." He wasn't talking to you about communist theory. Like, "Come on, you fuck."

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, relax.

• 21:53Joe Rogan?

  Shut, shut up. They're fining people for walking in the woods. You hear about that?

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Where?

• 21:57Joe Rogan?

  In Saskatchewan, is that where it is, Jamie? Walking in the woods? Yeah, this guy got fined. Twen- they, they told you that if you get caught in the woods, because it's so hot out, they're worried about wildfires. There's no wildfires, but they're worried about wildfires. Every year, you worry about wildfires. So to combat this, they, they fine people $28,000 to walk into the woods. That's a lot of money. And one guy did it. One guy's like, "Fuck you, I'm going to the woods." And then he went viral, of course.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Man.

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  Which is a good move, probably twenty.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Well, what's going on in the UK?

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  This is the guy. Good $28,000 move.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  They're putting, uh, thousands of people in jail for social media posts.

• 22:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. No, banana stuff.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  These fuck, it's getting, everybody's going communist.

• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, one, one person put this, uh, Facebook post or something like that, critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women. And because of putting that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 22:52Joe Rogan?

  Damn. Fucking ridiculous. Twenty months. That was way. In jail, in the UK. In the UK. It's fucking crazy, dude. Yeah. Bunch of sensitive pussies in there. They, they arrested, my friend Constantine Kissing from, uh, Trigonometry, the podcast, he's the one that first told me about all this. Cause he, he had this conversation with this guy where he said, "How many people do you think get arrested for, uh, social media posts in Russia?" And, you know, he tells them what the number is. It's like, it's like about 400. Like, "Whoa, wow." He goes, "How many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in the UK?" And the guy was like, "What?" And he was like, "It's 4,000." Damn. It's true. Yeah.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Like, what would the charge be for posting something?

• 23:33Joe Rogan?

  They don't have freedom of speech like we do.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  Dude, they, I actually saw like a police cam video where the fucking, the cop was telling them that, "Yeah, but your post offended." Like, it's like, "What the fuck do you mean? I'm going to jail because my post offended someone? Like, get the fuck out of here."

• 23:49Joe Rogan?

  A man, what is this, Jamie? A man has been jailed, uh, for Facebook person encouraging violence. He's been jailed for 20 months for encouraging people on social media to attack a hotel in Leeds, housing more than 200 migrants. So is this the same guy, Jamie?

• 24:06Speaker 04

  I Googled, man jailed in UK for Facebook post twenty months, this is what came up.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Well, that's different.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  That's Google funneling you to what they want you to see. Oh, he was talking about violence.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  No, but I'm not sure. I mean, maybe he was talking about violence.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  I mean, this guy obviously was. I'm willing to wager there were more.

• 24:25Joe Rogan?

  In the video, where the, the, where the, whatever the guy with the wig is, what are they, what are they called over there?

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  They wear the wig. The dude, if you could find the video, Jamie, the guy's full on wearing the wig.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  A wig, like a George Washington wig.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  And so he reads the Facebook post that this guy made, you know, which wasn't nice. But then, you know, then he says, like, for this egregious crime, I sentence you to twenty months of detention. And even the word, the wording they use is weird. It wasn't like detention. It was like a weird euphemism for fucking jail.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  He's on timeout.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was, it was weird listening to him talk. It's super dystopian.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  He's got a custodial sentence and he only has to serve half of it.

• 25:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he only has to serve ten months in a prison for doing that, for making a post on Facebook. Can you find the video, Jamie?

• 25:20Speaker 04

  Well, I'm sure.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  Find the video, because I just, it's kind of funny when you see the guy's wig. Like, they have to wear the wig. That's like the move over there.

• 25:30Joe Rogan?

  The old school powdered wigs.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Wasn't it back in the day that they used to wear them to hide shit?

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  From, no, it was syphilis.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  They were losing it.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, wait. Yeah, they were, yeah. That's where the term big wig comes from. Because the richest people got the biggest wigs. They all got syphilis. So this is what happened. They came over to America, right? When the, like, the, in the fourteen ninety-two days?

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  When they came back, they brought syphilis. And syphilis just going rampant through these European cultures. And these, these people have like holes in their faces.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  So syphilis came from here and then went back there?

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  This is the thought. So there's different types of syphilis, but they're pretty sure, there's some evidence that indicates that one type of syphilis was transferred from Native American populations to Europeans. Native Americans who had already had a resistance to it, just like we had a resistance to smallpox and the flu, when the Europeans came over here, and that's what the Indians didn't, that's why they got wiped out. Well, they didn't have resistance to this kind of syphilis. This is like hole in your face, your fucking, your, your hair falls out. This is the guy. Listen to this motherfucker.

• 26:32Speaker 09

  You did not want your money going to immigrants who quote rape our kids and get priority. End quote. This offence is so serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable. Would you stand please?

• 26:52Speaker 09

  The sentence that I pass has been reduced by one-third to reflect your guilty plea. The sentence is one of twenty months imprisonment.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  This guy said he didn't want his money going to immigrants and went to jail. This wasn't somebody threatening violence.

• 27:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  They edited the post, so we don't know what else.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, there was an edit. I was gonna point that out. There's something there. So this... Here's the thing too. Whenever it's possible for something like this to exist, whatever it's possible, there's gonna be a bunch of people from other countries that edit stuff to make you more mad at the people in the UK. Like, they're doing... China does that in America. There's a lot going on with social media and these kind of clips and posts and stuff. There's a lot more going on than makes sense.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  People always bitch about America, but look at that shit. You know what I mean? They're not locking anybody up over here yet.

• 27:47Joe Rogan?

  You can't bitch about America in comparison. The whole rest of the world is way worse in terms of what you're... How you're able to express yourself, the consequences of expressing yourself, like... This is a pretty good spot. It's just not perfect.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  It's a cool thing. It feels weird now that it's like the younger generation, everybody's like... It feels cool to say like, "Fuck America." Like, people are like... You wear an American shirt, they just think you're a fucking MAGA guy or something. It's like, dude, you can't be proud of where you're from. You're from America, you can't be proud of your country.

• 28:20Joe Rogan?

  America's everything. It's all the things. You know, it's just... We're so tribalized and we have to get over that. That's the the number one problem is people decide that those people that they hate and they hate everything about them and then, okay, now you got fifty percent of the country that you can't associate with. It's not on your team. Like, what did you do? And so, well, now you have to justify everything your team believes in, including shit that doesn't make any sense and shit that is probably immoral, you know, especially when it get you get into like trans kids surgeries and shit like that. You have to sign off on that because if you don't, then you're signing off on these right wing bigots that want to fucking, you know, put the Bible in every...

• 29:01Speaker 08

  Yeah, you're a Nazi.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get, you're a Nazi. It's like we're, it's bad. Both, both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side because it's all cartoonish. Because most people live in the middle of shit.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  I mean, I feel that's a hundred percent true. Most people are in the middle. I, I think you made, like, the point you made earlier, too. You're getting just fired through the algorithm, you know, the shit that pisses you off. If that's what you're clicking on all day long anyway. So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper, I think, because they're just inundated 24/7. Like, sometimes you just gotta stop and get outside or watch a TV show to decompress.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  That's the fucking problem, though. You can't even enjoy, I, man, what they did with Star Wars, with the Aki Light. You can't even enjoy, you can't enjoy. I, I love the pop culture. I love movies. I tried to watch The Electric State, that fucking thing, because I love robots going fucking rogue and AI shit.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  What's The Electric State?

• 30:00Speaker 01

  It, it's a Netflix movie with Chris Pratt and it looked like a big budget. It was by the Russo Brothers who did Avengers and shit. So, like, I go, it's about AI robots. What a, I, dude, what a piece of shit. I couldn't even get through the opening. And then, I know what I don't like? I don't like when I'm watching a movie and already I see, okay, I know who the director voted for. Like, you know what I mean?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  They're bringing up the uprising of the robots and they go, and to celebrate the enslavement of the robots, Kid Rock did a concert. Oh, did he really? Did he really, you fucking assholes? Okay, I ain't the way to shit, but uh, okay, you're on that side. Go fu- I turned it off.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Go, you're bringing me right out of it, cuz you're showing me like, you're taking shots for the audience to know, dude, fuck off, I wanna see some air, fucking robots, fucking, I wanna see, I wanna be entertained. I don't wanna know about your fucking politics.

• 30:57Joe Rogan?

  I feel like we have political fatigue, though. I feel like most people are tired of talking about it. Most people like, just stop. That's where I'm at, I don't wanna talk about the shit, ever. It's also, it's like pretending that one side is beyond reproach is fucking ridiculous. And if you're one of those tribal people, you have to do that. You have to support your side, and like, that, that just gets nuts. You can't do that, there's too many people, there's too many financial interests, there's too much money, there's too much shit going on, there's too much, why is there bromate in my bread, bitch? Exactly. That's the political problem down there. A yellow, a yellow number five. You motherfuckers have been doing a terrible job of taking care of us. You're not really taking care of us, we wanna think you're like a cool counselor or something

• 31:42Joe Rogan?

  like that, it's like looking out for the rest of the kids that are on this camp together. You know, like, our councilman is gonna take care of us, they got it, they're gonna teach us to, how to get through the woods, meanwhile, they're just stealing money.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  No, you can't go to the woods, it's a twenty-eight thousand dollar fund.

• 31:57Joe Rogan?

  But that's Canada, I mean, but this, this is the problem with places that don't have the freedoms that we have. Like, the constitution, our founding fathers, they nailed it.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  They really did.

• 32:05Joe Rogan?

  They, it's crazy that they nailed that so well, they knew human nature so well, that it applies, like, it's important three hundred years later.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  Maybe since they came from a monarchy, you know what I mean, they, they gave them that perspective.

• 32:18Joe Rogan?

  They were so smart, but I wonder how many of them were there, right? Like, how many, like, really well-educated people were around back then?

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Think about the age.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Couldn't have been that many.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  They were a lot of young kids.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  It ain't even that many now.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  A lot of young kids, uh, you know, that were writing this thing.

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some of them are like in their early twenties. But that's middle age back then. That's a good point, man. It's fucking middle age, sorry. That's true, you get an infection back then, you get staffed. Syphilis, yep. Done by thirty-five over there. Yeah, but the syphilis thing is really nuts, though, but that is why that, that stupid fucking thing that that guy was wearing on his head, that's what that is. So like, that's the trad- uh, tradition. Yeah. Based off of syphilis, and they still do this shit today. Yeah, and the guys with the most money had the biggest wigs, that's why they called them big wigs. Big wigs. It all started with these two brothers that were royals. Was it brother or a guy and his cousin? I forget. But these guys who were royals in France and these guys were like, you know,

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  the socialites. They were the celebrated people and they started losing their hair because they're freaks. You know, they're probably fucking up a storm over there and they're catching syphilis. And they got holes in their face and shit. They smell awful and their fucking hair's falling out. So they just get a wig. And then other dudes say, I want to be like him. So they got wigs. And then a bunch of people started getting syphilis. They covered it up with wigs. But that's crazy to me that you're almost celebrating having syphilis by getting a bigger wig. Well, you know what it is? It's like you're not celebrating syphilis, but since everybody's wearing a wig, your wig is the dopest wig. Yeah, that's right. You gotta have a dope one right here. Isn't it crazy that it's all because of sexually transmitted diseases? Wearing that shit in taboo.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  It's crazy. It's our first export, syphilis.

• 33:56Joe Rogan?

  I think it was smallpox, man. Smallpox wiped out the whole country.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  The whole country, the whole, all of North America was filled with people. They all got killed. There's like 90% of the people got killed.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  Damn. Hold on, what year was that? This was between the times of the first settlers to the 1800s. It was 90%.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Did it say 90%? Native Americans died from disease that, you know, Europeans brought.

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  And you know, for a long time, they were trying to deny, they were trying to figure out like, what happened to the Mayans? Well, I'll tell you what happened to the Mayans.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Disease.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  Disease. Obviously Europeans, they had this spectacular civilization in Mexico. If you ever go down and, you ever gone, seen any of the ruins?

• 34:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I went to Che, I was in Chechenistan.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I went there too. Yeah, I went there too. A couple of months ago.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  Fucking dope. It's dope. Like what were they, what drugs were these motherfuckers? Yeah, how were they building that shit?

• 34:53Speaker 03

  I don't know, man.

• 34:53Speaker 08

  A thousand years ago.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  It's pretty amazing to see. And even like the, remember that the ball court they had where you could stand at one end or the other? And you could hear each other talking and shit because of the acoustics.

• 35:04Joe Rogan?

  And it's just the, the sheer size of it.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  The size of it.

• 35:08Joe Rogan?

  It's like, wow.

• 35:10Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 35:10Joe Rogan?

  And then just wiped out by a cough. Like dirty, stinky Europeans right off the boat, breathing on everybody, swept through the people, no immunity to it. It's crazy.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  That is pretty wild, man.

• 35:23Joe Rogan?

  It's exactly what happened to the, to all the Amazon too, man. They're finding that out now. The Amazon was all just disease.

• 35:31Speaker 08

  Damn.

• 35:31Joe Rogan?

  Why, they had millions of people who were living in the Amazon and some Europeans went to visit and like, I forget what year it was, but they came back and had these stories about these beautiful like cities and filled with the gold and all this crazy shit. And then people went back a hundred years later and it was all gone. And they said, oh, this guy was lying.

• 35:50Speaker 08

  Some white tourists.

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  But it wasn't, yeah. Isn't that crazy? It wasn't lies. They just, so now they use LiDAR and they, they scan over the top of the forest and they see like where these cities used to be.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  There's so much shit over there that they haven't even uncovered.

• 36:04Joe Rogan?

  It's just nuts that it's, it's just dirty diseases. Those first people, they fucking, hey, coming over the fucking.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  They were hard ass enough to make it here. You know, they were bringing some shit with them.

• 36:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, you know how hard people must have been back then?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Can't even.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  Just to even say, okay, I'mma try it. When someone says, hey, we got a wood boat and we're gonna go out there. We have no idea if a storm's coming.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  We're going.

• 36:31Speaker 08

  I, I've always give, uh, Christopher Columbus credit for that shit. On a fucking wooden boat in the middle. Like, I can't even fucking find directions to get to the fucking apex half the time.

• 36:41Joe Rogan?

  The crazy thing is we give him credit for landing here and he didn't even make it here.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:46Joe Rogan?

  He landed like the Indies, right? Like the West Indies? This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you've got something to say, sell or share with the world, you need a legit online presence. Me, I use Squarespace to power my website. It's easy to use and with their AI enhanced. Website builder and built in tools for booking, payments, emails, all of it. You can actually run your business, not just build a site. Go to Squarespace.com/Rogan for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use the code ROGEN to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Where did Columbus actually land? It was like near the Bahamas. He wasn't even in America.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Bahamas is nice.

• 37:26Speaker 08

  I don't give a fuck where he landed. That motherfucker went out into the ocean 500 years ago on a boat.

• 37:31Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, we give him Christopher Columbus Day, he didn't even land here?

• 37:34Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm looking at the Vikings. These motherfuckers, you know, just conquered oceans, going everywhere.

• 37:41Joe Rogan?

  So what does it say here? Uh, San Salvador in the Bahamas, yeah. His first land on an island in the Bahamas. Like, that is not America, bitch. You don't get credit for, you don't get credit for discovering America.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  The Italians were taking credit anyway.

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  But that's probably when them diseases started hitting them areas.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  History of smallpox goes back to the 6th century, started in China.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  Smallpox does?

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:10Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. So the 6th century, and then, was it mostly smallpox that killed off the Native Americans? Or was it a bunch of different diseases that we brought with us?

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, there is 17th century.

• 38:23Joe Rogan?

  European settlers bring smallpox.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  There's an amazing guy named, what is that, Jimmy?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  What they, European settlers are here with Christopher Columbus, that's in the 16th century, not 17th, right? 1500s?

• 38:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  If he landed in 1492.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, 1492.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  That's 200 years later, almost.

• 38:44Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, it's probably like, how many people came? You know what I mean? Like, when Christopher Columbus came, that was, so this 1492, he lands the Bahamas.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  100 years.

• 38:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how many people got, were interacting with them? You know what I mean, how many people? Once they started coming over here regularly, like, when did folks started hopping in boats and coming over regularly? Like, the early settlers. I wouldn't have did it. No fucking way. No fucking way. No fucking way. Those people were animals, man. For real. You're gonna take a chance. You, you, th- this dude knows how to get across the ocean in a wooden boat using a thing. Yeah. Like a sextant where you stare at the stars and try to figure out where you are and he's drunk all the time.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  Jamestown was sixteen oh seven when that started.

• 39:36Joe Rogan?

  That's when it started, huh? Interesting.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Well, that's, that would be.

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  So that's probably makes sense for like a hundred fucking years they talked about it. Isn't that kinda crazy? I like in Vikings, you see that show Vikings?

• 39:48Speaker 03

  I like that show was amazing.

• 39:49Joe Rogan?

  About America for a hundred years before they came over. Oh, no shit. Yeah, so it's like he lands in the Bahamas and then a hundred years later. Oh, right, and then that's when people started. Yeah, then they start the first, the first colony.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Wonder how long it took him just to get across.

• 40:02Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine what it'd be like setting up a colony in a new country? And you know there's people with bows and arrows waiting in the bushes. Did you know that though? You know that they fucking, they knew. They knew that there's fucking Indians waiting for them. Oh, yeah, everybody knew. They knew that th- this was inhabited and they knew the type of people. They'd come back, you know, what, whether it was Columbus's people or the other, wh- whoever was here came back and they had all these crazy stories about, you know, interacting with also. The craziest stories were from, there was a, one of the guys was a priest or something, some holy man that was traveling with Columbus who had detailed

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  descriptions of the horrific shit Columbus and his men did to whoever the indigenous people were that they encountered. Oh, horrible shit. Where they, they were saying, if you don't bring back your weight in gold, we'll chop off your arms. They were chopping arms off, dashing babies' heads on rocks. Jesus Christ. Yeah, they were forcing these people to bring them gold. It's like, do you remember that guy's name, Father something or another? So he had this, his memoirs of uh, his time over there with Christopher Columbus's people. And he was like, it was horrific. So these people that we celebrate, I mean, this is one thing that the wokesters got right. You know, if you wanna celebrate Christopher Columbus, like Christopher Columbus, we have Columbus Day, like,

• 41:28Joe Rogan?

  be careful who you're celebrating. If that father, that priest was telling the truth, you're celebrating a monster. You're celebrating like a, literally like a mass murderer. Who would go to another country- I mean, but it's believable when you think about history, like- Bro, that's all they did back then.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  I mean, everybody conquered everybody at one point or another.

• 41:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and when there was no internet, you could get away with a lot. A whole lot.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  A whole lot.

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no one knew you were coming, you're coming with boats, you're fucking people up, you're taking all their shit. And when you land places, you're like, it was, like, this is probably the only time in history where a boat can land in a place and it's not hostile. In America, when boats come here, it's like, oh, we're-

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Depends on where you land.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  We're go- but for the most part, most boat travels not hostile. It's like, oh, look, a big boat full of people, they're gonna come eat at our restaurants and strange people from a different land are gonna come and enjoy what we have to offer here in Portugal or wherever you are.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Some people are counting on that.

• 42:23Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it used to be, a boat showed up, you didn't know it was on it. Yeah, you gotta study. It was on. You gotta be strapped. Yeah. You hear a fucking, a shell.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, you gotta wake up, put your armor on. Fuck, I can't believe I gotta do this.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  Imagine, just imagine that shit.

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's how they live forever. That's how people live for thousands of years. It's nuts. It's amazing we made it as far as we did. I don't know if we'll do another thousand. I think- Not with these ten top little motherfuckers here. No, I'm just saying, like, think-

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Think about where we are now, like, those dudes, they was hard, right? Like, they, regardless, they was hard. Now, we in TikTok culture.

• 43:05Speaker 08

  They not hard like that.

• 43:06Joe Rogan?

  No, there's a lot of that, and there's an encouragement of men to not be strong, which is always weird.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  Pushing the beta male thing.

• 43:13Joe Rogan?

  It's always weird. There's that encouragement, and it comes from people that aren't strong. They want more people like them, people more like us. And when they're in control of social media, that's where things get weird.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  The fucking acolyte, I'll tell you. They clipped all the balls from the Jedis. Nobody's gonna want an action figure of that fucking little sissy.

• 43:32Joe Rogan?

  He backed the Star Wars.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, they, they, they made the Jedis just pussy.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  They pussified the Hulk in Marvel.

• 43:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they gave him glasses and now he can talk. Like, now it doesn't make any sense that you would go back and forth between being the Hulk and being Bruce Banner.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, cuz he wasn't a badass.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  They made the Silver Surfer a chick. You know, like, this is.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  They made the Silver Surfer a chick.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  That wasn't, that wasn't that great, that movie, but Superman.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  That is a weird, it's a weird choice to give a guy role to a girl. It's a weird choice, cuz there's so many girl roles in, in superhero comic books.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Chick superheroes.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  Especially in the X-Men. The X-Men had plenty of badass women.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  They gotta do that over right now.

• 44:16Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you've got Superwoman, you've got, there's plenty of different characters you could play. Like, I don't know why.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, why are you?

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're trying to prove a point, unless, like Matt Sarah says, I know who you voted for.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, to be fair, there is a female Silver Surfer.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:33Joe Rogan?

  So this is the second one?

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Here's the, here's the deal with that. She was in maybe two

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  episodes where she mattered, and the rest of them, she was mentioned. Like, she's not a real character.

• 44:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I used to love the Silver Surfer. Did anybody ever do a Silver Surfer, like, a flat-out movie that's any good?

• 44:48Speaker 03

  Not a straight-up one. I thought the first Fantastic Four, when they, they got the Silver Surfer, pretty good in that one, I thought.

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't they have a Silver Surfer movie?

• 44:57Speaker 01

  I know, that's like my favorite character.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  Have a badass Silver Surfer?

• 45:00Speaker 03

  Cosmic character.

• 45:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's zen as fuck, never gets upset.

• 45:04Speaker 03

  Thousand percent. I mean, he basically sacrificed himself. To save his planet and his and his girl.

• 45:10Joe Rogan?

  Bro, the Silver Surfer is literally the coolest comic book guy.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  They made him look cool in this.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  Rise of the Silver Surfer.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I thought this was a, they did him good in this.

• 45:17Joe Rogan?

  They did a version, a whole episode of the Avengers, or a whole movie of the Avengers on the Silver Surfer. I forgot about that. What year was that?

• 45:25Speaker 03

  This was Fantastic Four.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, Fantastic Four. This was pre-Avengers stuff.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  This was when Jessica Alba was the invisible woman.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Two thousand.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  And Captain America was the Human Torch. That got Chris.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was good. Hold on, who played Silver Surfer in this?

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't, I don't remember.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  It might have been all CGI.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, I thought they, they got, they nailed it, I thought, in this.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  They nailed it. But look at the Thing, the Thing looks horrible. The voice was Lawrence Fisherman.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Thing was bad.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  When I was chubby, I looked like Michael Chiklis. I don't know the fuck his name.

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  The Shield.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  Chiklis, that's it.

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  The Shield was a good show.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a great show. That kinda looked like the Thing. But, uh, yeah, I saw that new Fantastic Four movie, and it wasn't overly woke or anything, but they could have done more with the Thing.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I heard he was like a minor part.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  And, uh, you know, the girls had the best parts. They're the ones that did the thing with Galactus at the end. No spoilers, what the fuck?

• 46:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  So, you know, but I am happy to say, and I know you were waiting for me to bring it up, I enjoyed the new Superman.

• 46:27Joe Rogan?

  I didn't see it yet.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Of course not, we're all adults, except for me here, but listen.

• 46:32Joe Rogan?

  I wanna see it, though, I heard it's good.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  James Gunn, man, I know, I don't believe I never heard of that song, uh, Punk Rocker by Teddy Bears. Oh, that'll change your life. It has Iggy Pop in it?

• 46:44Speaker 03

  Uh-oh.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it gets my nipples hard, it's so good. And the movie, if you like Guardians of the Galaxy, which I'm sure you did.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were good, yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Then you'll like this, cause it's just fun. Let's have fun again.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  I have nothing against the Henry Cavill, Cavill one, he was a badass.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  He was good.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  But it was a little, you know, Snyder's got that darker feel.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it kinda weird that we still wanna see the same fucking characters over and over and over again in different versions of the same movie? Like, isn't it kinda weird?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  No, cause we love, some people love those characters.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  But it's like. There's a little thing of it that it's like seeking comfort in in this thing. Oh, it's Superman again.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  Like not letting go of our childhood.

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. Because like try coming up with a new Superman today. People are gonna be like, fuck you. Like some new kind of comic book guy, like not, no background at all in comic books. So you you come up with a superhero type character now in a movie. No one's gonna watch it.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, I don't know, I don't want a new one. No one wants a new one. Everyone wants the Hulk. Everybody wants Spider-Man. You wanna see Spider-Man, there's like, how many different dudes have been the Hulk? Like four or five dudes?

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, they kept changing the Hulk.

• 47:54Joe Rogan?

  Bunch of dudes, Spider-Man. Ed Norton was the best.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  They got rid of him because he wanted to keep the Hulk like the Hulk, you know what I mean? They didn't like it, he was.

• 48:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was my favorite version of the Hulk, the Ed Norton movie.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  And he's running through the favelas in Brazil, right?

• 48:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was awesome. Bro, when when when the Hulk starts running through that factory and he's smashing through all the things.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah.

• 48:17Joe Rogan?

  That's when it was like, see, you kinda knew it was bullshit. You're looking at it like a CGI, it's okay. It's a comic. But as long as you keep it kinda darkly lit, you know, don't don't show me too much.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  They got better with that. They got better with the, uh.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  That wasn't too long ago for Hancock. That was a superhero that was just out of nowhere.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  I can't watch anything with this fucking guy anymore.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  I didn't want to hang it up that way.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  His song sucks.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  I was about to say, have you heard it? His whole, all of his.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  It's real corny.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  And this guy's doubling down on Smack and Chris Rock. You know that? He has a verse, it's like, you you disrespect me on this stage, expect me on this stage. Which is kinda cool saying, but, you know.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that was horseshit.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  He's doubling down on it.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  He spiraled, downward spiral. And and then you, I mean, you're basically, he stole our show name because he is a cuck.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  You saw what the hell, his wife is humiliated, that poor guy.

• 49:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, publicly. Yeah, that was weird.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  It's, and he was universally loved and now he's pretty well, almost universally reviled. You know, for hitting Chris and then the nonsense.

• 49:23Joe Rogan?

  Everybody loves that Chris Rock.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  His music shit.

• 49:25Joe Rogan?

  I was about to say, his rap is so trash. Gobbage. Sometimes you hit your horse to the wrong wagon. Yeah. And that, that'll take you on a bad journey, son. I'll take you on a bad journey and you might, you might hang in there for a while and keep your sanity for a while, but eventually, if you're living with someone who's not right for you and there's a lot of tension, which there seems to be with them, a lot of weird shit. Important decision is the spouse, most important fucking decision in your life.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, look at the kids, I mean, at least the son.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

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• 51:07Joe Rogan?

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• 52:33Speaker 01

  And you get to fuck him. No, no. You're saying, personality.

• 52:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but now you add in sex and the fact that you're not even the same gender.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. You gotta be, my thing is, I always say, you gotta be compatible. Like, you know what I mean? Me and my wife, very compatible.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Because, man, I can't, I can't stand anybody.

• 52:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, you just gotta be picky, and some people aren't. Some people just settle for hot.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:59Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem. Settling for hot is a real problem.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  With the chart, with the hot and the crazy chart.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  And it's different for the girls, too.

• 53:06Joe Rogan?

  Settling for hot is a real problem.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  The girls settle for, alright, shit, I gotta get a kid soon. I'm gonna be 30, you know? So they'll settle for Mr. Good Enough. So that's the most important. It's gotta be hard for the girls out there, too. Fucking bunch of savages.

• 53:18Joe Rogan?

  It's hard for everybody out there.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:19Joe Rogan?

  It's a, it's a weird time and now everybody's on dating apps. So everybody has like a new opportunity at every swipe of the finger.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Today, it's like socially acceptable to be a hoe.

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  I think it's also, it's, there's real concerns that intelligent people have about population decline. That sounds kinda crazy, like, well, we're not gonna population decline, there's plenty of people. But the problem is people are not having nearly as many people, like, replacement people. It's like, not enough. Like, in order for a society to exist at the same numbers, essentially, everyone has to have kids.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  Right? But a giant percentage of people, like, in our generation and younger generations, are not having kids.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  True.

• 53:59Joe Rogan?

  They're deciding to opt out of it and just focus on their career and...

• 54:02Speaker 03

  They say in Italy and here, I mean, Japan, like, they're all having a negative, uh, you know, population over the years. Like, they're not having enough kids to sustain the population.

• 54:12Joe Rogan?

  And you add into that microplastics that are killing everybody's balls.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  Knocking their, knocking down your, your...

• 54:20Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda weird, it's like a thing that we don't see coming. You know, we don't see it coming, like, real population, but places like Japan are freaking out, man. They're, they're really worried about it. South Korea, same thing, like, yeah, it's, could be a real problem.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  I didn't even know that was a thing.

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just makes sense, man, if you've got, everybody just wants to have a career, and if you can't focus on your career because you have kids, you put your kids off till you're in your late 40s.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  What's the number, like, the 2.1 or something, you know, you have to have 2.1 kids in order to maintain, uh, you know, just the current level of population?

• 54:50Joe Rogan?

  Someone was telling me that in vitro fertilization, which a lot of women use, that those hormones that they have to give you are linked to cancer.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 54:58Joe Rogan?

  Is that true, Jamie?

• 55:01Joe Rogan?

  Can you find, can you look that up? Cause someone, someone brought it up to me and I was like, I don't know if that's, is, really?

• 55:07Speaker 01

  And why is testosterone in the younger generation not as strong as it used to be?

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  Microplastics.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  He had a lady on that went deep into that stuff.

• 55:16Joe Rogan?

  I mean, dude, think of it. There's no strong evidence to see, this is AI, AI is working for the government, man.

• 55:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's see, National Institute of Health says transient increase in the risk of having breast or uterine cancer. So, as soon as you start admitting things like that to me, and this says no conclusive evidence, the fertility... 1999. Yeah. Six years old. Right. What does it say like?

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Seventeen do not.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  It says doesn't?

• 55:50Speaker 04

  Treatments do not increase the risk of ovarian cancer, malignant melanoma, or cancers of the endometrium.

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  Why am I skeptical?

• 56:00Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 56:02Joe Rogan?

  But maybe I'm skeptical because you're using Google.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Well, I mean.

• 56:06Joe Rogan?

  I know, but you know what I'm saying? But that's the place to use, but I would wonder how much of that would be available? Like if someone, if someone some sort of an alternative doctor, or someone who's stepping outside of the lines and saying, I'm treating a bunch of cases of cancer. Like where would you even find that guy's work?

• 56:25Speaker 04

  I don't know. No idea. Twitter?

• 56:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the problem, right? You see a thing on Twitter, you're like, is this guy a quack?

• 56:32Speaker 08

  Right.

• 56:33Joe Rogan?

  Is this guy real? But a person told it to me that I trust. And I was like, really? That stuff causes cancer? Because like that's, you're, you're, you gotta dose yourself up with a bunch of hormones when ladies do that in vitro fertilization thing.

• 56:46Speaker 08

  Hmm.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  All I know is I like that now at our age, we're all in our 50s. Are you 50 yet, motherfucker?

• 56:54Speaker 08

  Next year.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:55Speaker 08

  I'm still in my 40s, man.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  I mean, are you on T R, are you on T R T yet?

• 56:58Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, I got a little bit.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  Man, thank goodness. Thank God we have that, man, because back in the day.

• 57:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you'd fall apart.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  They'd be fucked up at our age.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Back in the day, we would just find it on the street.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Well, I don't think you'd ever be.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  You had a different neighborhood. But those guys were right. That's what's crazy is like old juice heads were right. In a, in a lot of ways. Like there's a lot of old juice heads in the gym that were looking jacked in their 50s and 60s. Like what is he doing? Like Bobby just stays on D balls.

• 57:26Speaker 03

  This guy stays on one C C.

• 57:30Speaker 08

  He's got D ball.

• 57:31Joe Rogan?

  You'd meet people in the gym that would tell you like what they do and how they did it. And then you had to take advice from those folks. And a lot of fighters got their, you would think by the time a fighter gets to the UFC. You know, like, well, he's probably got a professional team behind him, a bunch of like really organized folks. Like, no, no, no. These dudes come with sketchy characters. Like super sketchy connections to the streets.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  I just read as much as I could, you know, if you were gonna, you try to get as much information as you could about what you're putting in yourself.

• 58:00Joe Rogan?

  The best guy is online is Derek.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Oh, now, yeah, now, today. He wasn't around in the 80s and 90s.

• 58:06Joe Rogan?

  I know, but he's like the best version of a bro scientist, you know?

• 58:10Speaker 03

  He's a smart motherfucker.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  Smart motherfucker.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Unreal.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  I wouldn't fuck with that myself. Like, I go to a place that, you know, they check my blood every six weeks.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's how it should be.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  You gotta donate blood now, you gotta do this and that, so it doesn't get too thick, you know?

• 58:24Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:25Joe Rogan?

  I've heard that before, but I don't have that problem for some reason.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, it doesn't do it. I think it doesn't, you know.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Every once in a while.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  Shit doesn't do it to everybody.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  I go donate the blood.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  No, I was recommended to donate blood for-

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  Like, make sure I'm okay. Like, yeah, you're perfect.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Cause it's supposed to get you- I only had to do the blood, uh, twice. Alright, nah. You do it every six weeks? No, no.

• 58:44Speaker 03

  Oh, you mean you're getting a blood test?

• 58:46Speaker 01

  They check me, and if it gets too high, my red blood cells, whatever they are-

• 58:49Speaker 03

  Oh, so you're just getting the finger pricked to see what your-

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, they take a little blood out, and then they check it, and then they check all my, everything from-

• 58:56Speaker 03

  Well, they can do your red blood cell count. Like, if you go donate blood, they fucking prick your finger and check what your level is.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I go there, well, I, my place finds out first, and then they say, alright, I can either do a dump there, but they don't use the blood. I like to donate it, cause I feel better about myself.

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you have unvaccinated blood? Do you have pure blood?

• 59:13Speaker 01

  I got pure blood, man.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  Do you?

• 59:15Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  They pay me, they pay me double. Which one they get you with?

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Three times. I got all three of them.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  You do what happened to you?

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got all, I had to, I had to.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  Why? Cause you had to work.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  I had to work. UFC made us.

• 59:26Speaker 03

  UFC made me?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, they made us.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  They didn't make me. I don't fucking do that shit.

• 59:30Joe Rogan?

  If you gotta travel, though, if you're traveling all over the place.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  That's the problem. Fuck that guy. Some of these countries weren't letting you in without it.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't let you in without it.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  When you fucking make someone take something because they, the only way they could use your service is if they take, cause you think that this thing is gonna work, and it doesn't work. Shouldn't you be able to go, fuck you, you made me take this, and this thing didn't even work? It didn't even do any of the things you said.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Feel bad for the people.

• 59:57Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy what you can get away with in the world, especially during something like a pandemic, you know, where everybody just agrees to different rules. Cause that's what happened during the pandemic.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  I was thinking about that shit. Are people still dying from COVID?

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, like, what happened today?

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  There's people that are dying with COVID, so there's people that are dying, and they also have COVID. But they're dying, right? And that's the difference. And that's why the numbers for the deaths were elevated so high.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  If somebody got a cancer, you had COVID, it was COVID.

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Bro, a shark attack, check the fetus.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  He's got COVID.

• 1:00:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, everybody died of COVID. They, if, because they were financially incentivized peop- in people to

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  treat deaths as COVID deaths.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  Same with the ventilators, they were getting more money if they had to put somebody put on a ventilator.

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  And then they find out the ventilators were killing people.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, imagine that.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  There was so much craziness, like, you know, when we were saying, we hope that someone is in charge that knows exactly what to do. And I, no, there's a lot of times in history, you have no idea what the fuck they're doing. And then, financial interests get involved. And then they come up with, we're gonna, we're gonna just make everybody take this, this is gonna be amazing.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of money.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Load of money.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  What we should.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  By the way, they wanted it, just take it once. And, two, three times.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  They can't take it to court.

• 1:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they can't take it to court.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  No liability.

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Because they called it a vaccine, but it's not even really a vaccine, it's a gene therapy, it's a totally novel, new thing.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:01:20Joe Rogan?

  That you're giving to 300 million people just in this country alone.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  The ads were so shady, like, I'd be in my car and it'd be like, uh, uh, two students talking like, my parents don't want me to take it, but I'm really nervous. And it was like, really crazy, I'm like, what the fuck is this?

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  So nuts.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's so nuts. You know how many people have stories where they let their kid take it, and then the kid has a stroke? There's, there's, they're all over online, there's, there's.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Myocarditis was a big thing, too, with younger kids.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, uh, there's undiagnosed myocarditis out there, too, I bet, where people just

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Tons.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  just feel tired all the time, feel a little fatigued, yeah.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  So, am I the only one here who got the vaccine?

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Definitely not.

• 1:01:59Joe Rogan?

  Jamie got COVID real early. Jamie survived it early, so I knew, I knew it was not that big a deal.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Good job, Jamie.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  Jamie.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Took one for the team, Jamie, yeah.

• 1:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Jamie toughed it through, it was like, Jamie seems okay, alright. And then Tony Hitchcliff got it, he got it worse than Jamie, he had it a little longer than you, right? You don't remember?

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, it's.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  The creepy thing is these motherfuckers, they meet and then they say, there will be another pandemic.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  How do you know?

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, what about Biden and friends were trying to sign one with the WHO where they had control over being able to shut the US down?

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  And all this nonsense. Thank God we pulled right the fuck out of that.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what a dumb idea. Let some giant global health organization.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  Have say over, over our country.

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Fully corrupt. Let these motherfuckers run the country because.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Bill Gates is the number one downy eater to it.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Just nuts, man. It's just nuts.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Crazy shit. Before I got here, I was watching

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  uh, fucking Khamzat versus Kamaru Usman. Not to just jump into that now.

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's jump into it. Yeah.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  You know, I had Drakus on Unfiltered the other day.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  And, you know, he's a, he's an intelligent guy, man. He's not going, he's not a guy that doesn't do his homework. And he was just saying about everybody talks about how aggressive Khamzat is, and he goes, watch his fight in Kamaru Usman, the second round. Over three minutes of him just standing.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  Standing there.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  He's like, he's not going to be able to do that to me. He's going to be working the whole time. He trained so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes. That one minute gets him right back. It's almost like he approaches that at like five different fights. Like, you know what I mean? Cause in that one minute, he comes back down and then he goes back out there again, Drakus. And we were just talking that we saw, you saw the same thing I saw. With his grappling ability. He took out a whole, I mean, listen, it's different. Those guys were a lot of guard players. But he did, he did a quintet and submitted everybody.

• 1:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Again, they were more jiu jitsu guys. It's a different type of style, but that was impressive. Not to mention, and I, I looked, but you know, the, my producers gave me his bio and everything. And I'm like, dude, he started, his first thing in, the first entry into martial arts was at five years old doing judo. And his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling. I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler. Everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Well, you know, I'm on your side with this. We had that talk last night.

• 1:04:24Joe Rogan?

  I know. He's, he's a monster.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Joe Rogan?

  And there's guys, and you know this because you work. With Murab, there's guys that reach this level of discipline and they achieve a level of cardiovascular performance that's just above everybody else's and then they maintain it. Like they get that advantage and they keep pushing it and they slowly keep adding on to it. Like you're seeing Murab now.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Particularly in the the second O'Malley fight, you're seeing just like a totally different beast.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  Just nonstop.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Nonstop and you can't, you can't keep up with that. You know, he's like, it's just hard work, it's just hard work. I believe that, but man.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, but state of mind too, like mentally, he believes it mentally, you know?

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  The amount of hard work is extraordinary to get to that level. And I think Drakis is kind of a similar thing. I think that dude works so hard that he can go out there and fight full blast. Which is what's weird to when you watch him fight, like sometimes it doesn't look as clean.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  He looks like he's mouth breathing, but he just keeps the same pace.

• 1:05:26Joe Rogan?

  That was a lot of that was the earlier fights before he got his nose fixed. So he got his nose fixed, so he could breathe out of his nose.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Makes sense.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Changed everything and then went on a tear after that was that's when he crushed Whitaker. Like the Whitaker one was shocking. Like, cause we all know how durable Whitaker is, the Yoel Romero fights, like that guy's durable as fuck. To watch him just flatten him like that, you're like, whoa, hang on.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  He's funny. He says, he goes, I don't, uh, he's like, I don't have a great poker face. He goes, people say I look tired because I am tired. And when you get tired, you breathe out of your mouth more. And he goes, but even if I am tired, I don't have a poker face, but I'm still coming forward. I'm still gonna, so and he has, he's got, man, he's got confidence. He's beaming with confidence. He's just that guy.

• 1:06:08Speaker 08

  I mean, he's a good champion.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:06:10Speaker 08

  A great champion, speaks well, yeah.

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's interesting, the Izzy fight, I went and watched that again. And you know, it seemed like Izzy had an advantage up to a point, but then the pressure got to him. Then he got hit with a couple of those long shots. He got hit and it just looked like he just didn't have enough in him to fight his way out of it. And when he went down, he got submitted pretty quickly afterwards, but. I would wonder what Izzy in his prime, how that fight would have looked. Cause that would have been a lot different. A lot, you know, Izzy in his prime, when he was, you know.

• 1:06:45Speaker 08

  He was a little quicker, better angles, yeah.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Also, just, just hadn't been damaged, right? There's just the, and there's the damage of training, he's like, but like, Izzy Paulo Costa.

• 1:06:56Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Joe Rogan?

  That's prime.

• 1:06:57Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  That's prime, that's also motivated Izzy, like fuck you Izzy.

• 1:07:02Speaker 08

  He was sitting down on his shots, Izzy, yeah.

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  I mean, put him away quick and then dry humped him.

• 1:07:07Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  It's terrible, don't do that kids, but that Izzy. That would have been very, very interesting to see him versus Drakus, cause he could have handled that pressure. Cause that pressure, the pressure is bananas. You know, like Anthony, the Anthony Hernandez fight last weekend.

• 1:07:25Speaker 08

  Jesus.

• 1:07:25Joe Rogan?

  That pressure is nuts, man.

• 1:07:27Speaker 08

  You could, man, I was like, you couldn't keep up with him. Dude, he should, he looked like a different level.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  He looked great.

• 1:07:31Speaker 08

  Roman.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Looked amazing.

• 1:07:32Joe Rogan?

  He's, he looks like a world champion. He looks like a world champion.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Spoiled it for you guys, sorry about that.

• 1:07:37Joe Rogan?

  No worries, no worries, no worries. No, I, I was out. Yeah, when I came home, I was like, fuck. I didn't see it yet, but I watched it as soon as I got home. I was super impressed, man. And that, that whole division is like, Jesus, there's so many different contenders in that division, you know? You got Bohalio.

• 1:07:54Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:57Speaker 08

  This whole fight card this weekend is sick.

• 1:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Strickland, like what's gonna happen with Strickland? They suspended him indefinitely for punching some dude?

• 1:08:04Speaker 08

  Yeah. Oh. Did you see that? Like, he didn't have to do that, man. Those guys got it, him and Chris Curtis, man, they just, man, you, you can't fuck with them. Cause they, yeah, they will not back down, you just can't fuck with them.

• 1:08:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you can't, but you can't jump into a cage and punch somebody.

• 1:08:19Speaker 08

  That's what I'm saying, like, I don't, yeah.

• 1:08:21Joe Rogan?

  In front of everybody.

• 1:08:22Speaker 08

  That guy was being a little disrespectful.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I like Strickland, I mean, fuck that guy, I mean, that was kinda, and then they interviewed that guy after, and he's like, you know, he doesn't have anything on the mic, he's like, "Yeah, well, it's entertainment", he's like, "Oh, boy, here we go",

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  He got what he wanted, he got his two seconds. Yeah, he got his two seconds.

• 1:08:40Joe Rogan?

  But, Sean is crazy.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, those guys.

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  He's really like, man, he is what he sells.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, he walks that fucking walk.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Definitely not an act.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  You ever see when that guy tried to, well, the guy, who was like running from the cops, and he was sneaking around his house? Sean came out with a pistol.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I did see that.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  The dude did like crash DUI, and then jumped out of the car, and was running into the wrong fucking yard, right into Sean Strickland.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  I mean, a lot of times now, though, there is no repercussions.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Sitting in the house waiting to shoot somebody.

• 1:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, he's so excited.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a wet dream for him.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  But, uh...

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, uh, you know, nowadays with that guy, and being disrespectful like that, this is so, everybody's so used to no repercussions, it's like, so everybody just gets so much ruder.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  I always say that, bring, bring bullies back.

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  The world was a better place. Or, teach everybody martial arts.

• 1:09:30Speaker 03

  I mean, that would help, cause then it's...

• 1:09:32Joe Rogan?

  It just sucks when a guy who is into martial arts like Strickland does something like that.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  He's into it, man.

• 1:09:37Joe Rogan?

  And you still love him.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  I told them a story last night where, Longo's like, "Yeah, this kid wants to do an interview, his mother's a little overbearing, and, uh, you know, she's a little crazy, but then, how about the kid, the kid's a nice kid", so I'm like, "All right", so, after a Saturday class, I got like sixty people, uh, you know, I'm, like, my nights aren't great because of my ulcerative colitis, but, you know, I'm energetic, I do my class, I do this thing for this kid, twelve-year-old kid, and the mother's like, "Oh, we want to inspire the youth of today", cause they're all a little shit, she's an Irish lady, a little... And then, so I sit down with this kid, I'm like, "All right", he goes, "Okay, I'm here with freaking UFC legend Matt Serra, and I'm twelve years old, and yet, we manage to be the same exact height."

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  I got fucking, I got, I got blindsided by this little fuck. So now, and when he said that, the husband and the wife, the husband's behind the camera, they're like, ooh. I'm like, dude, I'm seeing red. I wanna fucking. So they're laughing. Oh, they're like, they want a response. Oh. So my first thought was directed towards the father, who might have taught this kid no manners.

• 1:10:45Speaker 03

  Stop lying, the kid's your size, you wanted to hit him.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  I wanted to, I wanted to do a hand to the fucking Loki in that motherfucker. I was gonna take that little fuck. So then I remembered that I got my daughters in there. So I go, so he tried to ask me, I go, so I go, who came up with that question, buddy? He goes, me, me. And now this kid knows I can't strangle him. I wanna kill his fat father. And then I remembered my three daughters are in there, so I go inside, I go, just, I give me, I go, give me one second, kid. I go inside, I go, Maria, this kid's giving me a hard time. I want you to roll with him and put it on him. She, okay. On my Instagram, this kid wanted clicks, thirty-eight thousand views of my, I go, oh, my daughter strangled the fuck out of this kid. And I, and we got some clicks and it was phenomenal.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  I'm like, I'm gonna have to stuff this shit to the kid. Repercussions, Joe. Refucking percussion. Who's my height now, kid?

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  It even says on the video, oh, you're gonna get some clicks on this?

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  Hey, you want some clicks, you little fuck? And they, you know, oh, you see my daughter. Mercy for the twelve-year-old. And then after my daughter said, I go, you wanna start from the feet or from the, on the knees? He chose on the knees. You know, my daughter strangles him once, then I go, I pull him, pull him on top, pull him in, go on, I'm just, dude, and I just, I go, you gonna make any more short jokes, Cameron? No? Little fuck, you know? But anyway, I just love jujitsu, man. Shout out to my Maria. But, uh, I'm glad I tried, my first instinct was attack the old man. I'm like, you fat fuck. I'm sitting here giving you my time, this is the first question. You'll get away with that, I know you for thirty years, John, fuck that little fuck. You know?

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Joe, that's not right.

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  As you think about like, the industry of like, trying to keep bodies together, what industry, what sport provides more patience than jujitsu? Like, everybody, you know, like, if you think about it, when you get to a, a certain point, and you would train it for a certain amount of time, you're gonna get fucking banged up. Like, what sport benefits more from like, guys in their forties and fifties, like peptides?

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  Jujitsu brings a lot of patience, because everybody's hurt.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's hurt, like, regular forty-year-old dudes aren't hurt all the time. You know what I mean? They usually work, they go into an office, they don't rarely get knee injuries. Knee injuries are rare.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  I'll tell you.

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Forty-year-old jujitsu guys, everybody's knees are fucked up.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Everybody's fucked up.

• 1:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's fucked up.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  They're gonna, everybody's gonna hurt shoulder.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Everybody.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Elbows fucked up.

• 1:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's got a bad.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  It's better than fucking pickleball. I do a forty-night, forty, I do a forty-and-overnight, uh, for, a class, every Wednesday, I teach it. Aw, me and you, and then I, just to feel like Gordon Ryan, I jump on the old men, and ah! Nah, nah, I have fun with them. But, dude, they fucking love it. Sometimes, when it's less than twenty, I'll do like, my old-school jujitsu gang fight. Everybody, I pick teams, I put this guy over there, I get it kinda even, they all start on their knees, you remember this? We used to do it from the feet back in Henzo's, where they're all breaking their backs, jumping on backs. But it stops when one team, you can, no, no lower-body submissions, could be two-on-one, three-on-one, it stops when one team submits the whole other team. So we got these old men in there, like, ah! They're jumping on backs, ah!

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Dude, they're upstairs in the locker room, it reminds me of the Twilight Zone movie when they play Kick the Can. They're like little kids up there, like, talking about, they have such a good time. Practicing murdering each other.

• 1:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that funny? Like, but making it novel like that, making it like a team thing, like, it's funny. Especially if you, you trust each other, if you're, you know, training partners.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Biggest thing I'd.

• 1:14:30Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Coming to the Academy is the atmosphere, as you know. So I make sure, I pluck guys out on a fucking every month. Somebody comes in I don't like, ah, get, keep you a couple hundred dollars, get the fuck out of here.

• 1:16:32Joe Rogan?

  It's all top-down. It all comes down from the, the attitude of the people that are running the place, always, always.

• 1:16:39Speaker 08

  Yo, do you ever show up at a random jujitsu school and just pop in?

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  You can't do that.

• 1:16:43Joe Rogan?

  I haven't rolled it all in a year.

• 1:16:44Speaker 08

  No kidding.

• 1:16:45Joe Rogan?

  No. I've had a reoccurring knee issue and a reoccurring lower back issue that I'm trying to get right before I do anything stupid again.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Shout out to Bio Accelerator.

• 1:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that place is great.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  They're so fucking great.

• 1:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Lot of positive results from that place. I know a lot of people went down there.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  I'm able to throw my right hand again, which I used to wave like fucking this and now I'm just, I'm so happy I'm able to do it again.

• 1:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Bring it back to the Camaro fight with, uh, Chimaev. Camaro's been down there too.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  I was down there a couple of years ago.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, it's a lot of UFC guys go down there.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Oh, a hundred percent.

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  And now, uh, that CPI in Tijuana is a closer, closer trek. That place is really good and the UFC's affiliated with them now.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Okay, very interesting.

• 1:17:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're really good. I know a lot of people. Eddie Bravo's been down there multiple times, but I know a lot of UFC fighters that have been down there.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Man, I, I, I've been to, again, Colombia, what is it, Medellin? Am I saying it right?

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Medellin.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  I always fuck that up. But hey, the food down there was fucking delicious.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  Went out there with my Jedi Abe and fucking, he took me into town. The food, I was eating the bread. I was, and I'm just, again.

• 1:17:51Joe Rogan?

  South American knows how to do that.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  Fuck that bro meat.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 1:17:57Speaker 08

  Yeah, I went down there. Dan Severn was down there.

• 1:17:59Joe Rogan?

  Dan the Beast.

• 1:18:00Speaker 08

  Yeah, Dan the Beast. He was in a fucking wheelchair getting rolled around.

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. He's in a wheelchair now?

• 1:18:05Speaker 08

  No, it's just for that trip because he was getting, uh, stem cells, yeah.

• 1:18:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, oh, oh.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Breaker?

• 1:18:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Got me addicted to these fucking things.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got my, at home, my Muay Thai coach at home, Vince Mosky runs the Thai program. He goes, yeah, tell Rogan thanks. I tried them fucking zins and now I'm addicted to them.

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  I, uh, took my whole vacation off of them and like I said, I was like wondering what it was gonna feel like. I was like, oh, am I worried? No, it was fine. There was nothing. I just think it's, I think it might be a biological thing. You know, some people, cigarettes, just get them and they just wanna smoke cigarettes every day. And some people, nicotine gets them. I think some people could just stop taking nicotine and they seem to be all right. And thankfully, I seem to be one of them.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  It helps me shit.

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Couple of those with my espresso and a seltzer in the morning. Oh, Jesus. You know, it's terrible. I feel so great. It's terrible for playing pool. If you take too many of them, you're like, you're shaky. You don't have like a good connection between your movement. You feel, you feel like weird when you're shooting. Like you don't notice it when you're talking because it's, it is a stimulant. So it's like stimulating your brain. It actually like helps brain function. Nicotine itself is a nootropic. It's like, it's a nutrient that helps brain function. Like it'll help you pass tests. I think it helps my ADD a little. It probably does. Terrible for pool though.

• 1:19:28Speaker 08

  But I'm still on that alpha brain. So that's all the.

• 1:19:30Joe Rogan?

  That's legit. We got gummies now too, man. Oh, do you? Oh.

• 1:19:34Speaker 08

  Gummies.

• 1:19:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll take some too. I got a, I'll give you guys a jar of them. We'll get out of here.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  How many do you take?

• 1:19:42Joe Rogan?

  I take three.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  Oh, shit. Back on the, on the Duplessis fight there. Like, I mean, we were talking last night. We both think that DDP can pull this out and win it. Like my.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  He could definitely win it.

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  My mindset, and look, we all know Kamzak's a savage.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  He can win it too. Yeah, I could see, I could see either one of these guys winning this fight.

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  But if I, you know, if we look at it, I mean, his two toughest opponents, save for Whittaker, who went in there with a, a broken face and got it broke the rest of the way.

• 1:20:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:20:14Speaker 03

  The, you know, Gilbert won 70 and maybe Gilbert won that one. Kamaru won 70, took it on very short notice.

• 1:20:25Joe Rogan?

  Off the couch.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Almost won that one. If it goes longer, probably he does win that one.

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  That was middleweight.

• 1:20:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, yeah, but he's a 170 pounder. Like if he's making 70 all the time and going at 85. Now you're fighting a dude that walks at 230. So he's not going to have a big strength advantage over him. Yeah, he's going to be the better wrestler, you know, but I just think, I just think that Drakis is going to be able to weather the storm. And then come out the other side and it's going to be a problem. And if Kamzak comes in, people are talking about him fighting at a slower pace. Well, that's not his style. And if he fights at a slower pace, I think that plays into Drakis's hands because it will allow him to move forward.

• 1:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  And pressure him and things. So.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  It's going to be interesting to see if it gets into deep water. That's what's gonna be interesting, because I know he started training with Calavita.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, for his conditioning.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he went to Sam Calavita, who trained TJ Dillashaw. He works with Aaron Pico, Armon Sarukyan's doing it with him too, and that guy's a legend, man. Calavita's a-

• 1:21:28Speaker 03

  No, 100%.

• 1:21:29Joe Rogan?

  He's a real-

• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  I believe with cardio too, part of it is your, is your, is your mental, your mindset, like with pushing through the tired. And, you know, we were talking a little last night, and, and, you know, Hamzat's a bad motherfucker. I don't know about his mind yet.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing, this is what I was getting at.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  Pulls out of a bunch of fights, you know?

• 1:21:49Joe Rogan?

  Armon Sarukyan, who also just pulled out of a fight.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:51Joe Rogan?

  But Armon, but, but Armon said the problem was Hamzat overtrained for every fight. And he would always come into fights worn out. And that was the difference between working with Calavita. That they're monitoring his actual recovery, they're, they're making sure they're doing everything scientifically. Calavita's, I think his background is in cycling. Like, it was in, you know, endurance sports.

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm familiar, I'm familiar with him, I know who he's, I know he was TJ's guy.

• 1:22:20Joe Rogan?

  Nobody knows more about cardio than cyclists, because it's all cardio, the whole thing, it's all cardio. So they know-

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  Cardio and EPO.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  They, yeah, they know that, too. Well, they know how to recover, and they know, like, where, what's your threshold, like, where you should be.

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  For sure, for sure.

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  So he's using real science, doing, he's like, this is the first time he's ever been through a camp like this, where he's coming in fresh, where he's not overtrained.

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  Well, we're gonna see.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're gonna see.

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  We're gonna see, and my question is too, if he gets in a bad spot.

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  Is he gonna push through it? Will the bully crumble, you know, when, when he's getting it?

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  He didn't crumble with Gilbert, I mean, it's true, but like-

• 1:22:53Speaker 03

  He got sat down by Gilbert, too, though.

• 1:22:54Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  Drake has even said, in that fight, how he started strong, there's a certain amount, he was counting how many minutes he was just standing in front of him. He said that with both that, both those fights.

• 1:23:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  His fight with Gilbert and Kamara Usman, he had the exact amount of time, he goes for three minutes and whatever, seconds, he was just standing in front of him. He was saying that for both guys.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Kamara was coming on strong in that third round.

• 1:23:15Speaker 08

  I know.

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  Big time.

• 1:23:16Speaker 08

  He was coming on strong.

• 1:23:17Joe Rogan?

  If that was a five-round fight, I bet the betting would shift.

• 1:23:20Speaker 08

  For sure.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, 100%. He started coming on at the end of the second.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  He started to, yes.

• 1:23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Then the third round, it was like, clear, yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Last half of the fight was all Usman, I thought.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, but it is impressive the way that motherfucker can shoot from halfway across the octagon.

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  Wrestling too, like, I don't know, do you know Pat Downey?

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Alright, well, he's, I've known him since he's a little kid, and he was in Hamzat's camp. And said, like, he said his wrestling, he goes wrestling is, like, real good. He said he's got top-notch wrestling. Like, he talked about, he said, "We probably both did better with each other than you would think." Like, he did better with wrestling and I did better with the jujitsu, he said, but, uh, he said, like, he said the guy's a beast, said he's strong, said he's, and he said he's a high-level wrestler.

• 1:24:03Joe Rogan?

  Shab was down there watching him train, and, you know, they, they asked Shab, they asked Shab to spar with him, and he's like, "Fuck you." He's like, "I'm forty-something years old, I'm not, no, I'm done, I'm not doing this anymore." And he said, Hamzat was just lighting people up, he said, "He looks really good."

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  The thing about Hamzat is, all these guys were 170s, right, you, you're right about that, but with 170 comes speed. Right? And Hamzat's speed is, is a factor, it's a big factor with his hand speed. He's, you know, people forget, because, like, what he did to Kevin Holland, the way he could ragdoll guys in the ground, but what he did to Gerald Mearschard's pretty fucking spooky, too. That's a really good punch. It's technical, it's sharp, and straight down the middle.

• 1:24:48Speaker 03

  Round the guy.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  He's fucking good standing up, man, he's good standing up, and that's where it's gonna be weird. That, that's where I wanna see, because Dupesi makes everybody look stupid. He, he finds a way to get you.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  Every mistake.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  He must got a lot of power. But they're not mistakes, for, for, fuck, for sure has a lot of power, but someone did a great breakdown of what he did with, uh, Robert Whitaker, where he set up that right hook. And the way he, he was like recognizing that Whitaker had this certain pattern. And, and it's not, like, it looks weird, because he, he just moves different than everybody else. That's all. Whatever it is, it works, and when he hits you, it's like, and you can't hit by a car. Yeah.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  Doesn't have to be that pretty.

• 1:25:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying. Right. He's gotta have power to make guys so nervous about getting hit by him. Bro, that cat is so big, he looks like a fucking heavyweight when you're next to him, you're like, "How are you a middleweight? How are you 185 ever?"

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  The thing that I, that, uh...

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  That comes that I keep thinking about is like, when's the last time he actually though fought a guy with Hamzat's style? I mean, who's ever, who, who's trying to shoot on him? Besides, maybe there was a Derrick Brunson or something, but when's the last time he fought a guy that's just gonna be-

• 1:25:57Joe Rogan?

  No one has Hamzat's style in the UFC.

• 1:25:59Speaker 03

  Well, what I'd like-

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  But even a grappler, street wrestler, like-

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  What DDP said, he said, look, I'm fully prepared. I'm gonna get taken down. Like, he's not in there saying, my wrestling, I'm stuffing them. He said, I'm gonna get taken down, but I'm gonna weather the storm and I'm gonna be able to get back up and then

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  I would advise a strong warm-up in a rubber suit.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  You're slippery as fuck. If you don't wanna cheat, you could, you could bend the rules. Cause it's not cheating. It's not cheating.

• 1:26:29Speaker 03

  When he gets on top of somebody, man, you definitely don't see guys getting them off of you, so.

• 1:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, when you got a guy who's got, I mean, that actually might not be a bad idea. Give him them, those tracksuit things.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  Did to get warm up with it?

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  Might not be a bad idea. Because you totally can do that. Like, no one could stop you from doing that.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Widdick was defending okay when he was down there. Well, I mean, everybody remembers his teeth getting shattered, but before that, he wasn't defending bad.

• 1:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Likely, he would have survived, cause Camaro survived it too, right? It's possible to survive. Unless, he just, like, what he did to Kevin Holland was kinda crazy.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  Holland almost-

• 1:27:03Joe Rogan?

  He just went one to the other, just, just crushed him.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  Gilbert, his guard, kept him out of it.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  You gotta have a decent guard. Cause he don't like it. When Gilbert started moving his hips, he said, nah, I'm outta here. Gilbert's actually, he really world-class, you guys.

• 1:27:20Joe Rogan?

  World-class. World-class. Yeah, Gilbert's dangerous as fuck everywhere. You know, it was interesting watching him roll with Rockhold. Because I know that, you know, it's not like Rockhold was in camp and prepared for this, and this is Rockhold at its best. I don't even know how much he had been training, but Hamzat just handled him. Just handled him. And we know how good Rockhold is.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, very good on the floor.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Listen, what's so exciting about it is, there's a chance he could just take him down and do what he did to everybody else. There is that chance. Cause he's so good on the floor and he's, he comes out so aggressive. But, that's the, if he survives it- You know. There's a lot.

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  And does he have the confidence to go for it and possibly empty the gas tank?

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I think.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  And get the finish? And if he doesn't, how fucked is he?

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  He has no other way. I don't think he, I think take down and smash. That's what he want. That's what he's, he makes no, you know.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't adjust now.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  He's not disguising it.

• 1:28:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this whole, this whole card. You can't adjust now in the world championship fight. You gotta just hit the gas. Yeah, I think instinct's gonna kick in and he is a sprinter, you know what I mean? Right. That was, that's the question is can he sprint for five rounds? Cause we know DDP can. Right. Him and John Strickland, they were ready to have heart attacks at the end of that fight. They were ready to have heart attacks. He's probably like the most elevated heart level we've ever seen in a world championship fight.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Getting his nose busted like that and still staying in there.

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  And fighting with staff.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  He had staff?

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  He had staff. He had staff through the second fight. That's why he was listless.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was on antibiotics and everything. He was all fucked up. Yeah, it fucking's terrible, man. That happens all the time. All the time. Meanwhile, that happened with Marab. He fucking, Marab, no one even noticed. No one even noticed. The dude's on antibiotics.

• 1:29:01Speaker 01

  Marab is different, man. Marab is different.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  So different on antibiotics. He's out working everybody. Like, that's crazy. That was the, that was the, which fight was that?

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Uh, with the, with the staff?

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Was it the Umar fight? I think it was the Umar fight. It was the Umar fight, which was crazy. Cause that was pace, pace that melted Umar and he's doing it while he's on antibiotics. His back was hurt too for that, wasn't it?

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Marab, yeah, yeah, there was times he wasn't sleeping through the night. He couldn't.

• 1:29:28Joe Rogan?

  That is, he is nuts. That is nuts, man.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  I saw John Wood the other day. They think they're just gonna run through Corey.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  Did Marab just gonna run through Corey?

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  Corey's pretty young. Well, see that. I don't know about running through him. You gotta be real careful with hubris.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

• 1:29:45Joe Rogan?

  Marab's not, that's not Marab saying that. Yeah, I don't believe Marab thinking like that.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  That's not Marab saying that. John Wood said that?

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, he, I mean.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  Marab could have had leg amputated.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Jesus, dude.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  That's Marab though. I don't need leg. They could have taken my leg. I only need one leg. Uh, he said, oh, he was just taping it up and going back to practice. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Someone close to Marab told me that regular people would have probably had their leg amputated if they had to deal with the staph infection that he had on his leg.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  He was just like taping it up and going, I don't believe that. Whoever told you that, that's not true. They would put antibiotics on that.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, they'd be good.

• 1:30:23Joe Rogan?

  That's not true. Um, they don't just randomly amputate people's legs, I hope. I hope. It said he had broken his hand early in the fight. Oh, Nubergovmetov did.

• 1:30:34Joe Rogan?

  He said, I broke my back in training camp and some days I couldn't get up from the bed. I just laid down. I don't have a training camp. I don't have a Khabib Nubergovmetov to help me train. Some days at the P I was closed. It was Christmas. There was New Years and weekends and it happened a couple of times. Umar was there and the security goes, I'm sorry, we can't let you go in.

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah, Marab's different.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, Marab's built different.

• 1:30:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But there's also, there's something about dudes that were, that are from that part of the world. That is a war torn part of the world and it makes a different kind of man.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  He's the American dream, man. I just had him on my pod and we were talking for over an hour about his whole journey. And dude, when he came over, he did not, to see him, like, I couldn't even communicate with him. Like, I, I could, cause I have a way, but he didn't speak any English. When I see him doing the skits now, the chicken, banana. He's fucking, he's funny as shit.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  He's funny. He's, he's just, he goes back, and now he goes back to his, to Georgia, just they're, they're, they have the chariots next to him. There's people trying to jump on the bus. It makes me so happy, man. Cause you seen his whole journey. When he first came to New York, he was, got linked up with fucking retards. And these guys were morons. And, uh, thank God he ran to Longo at the Henzer Gracie Academy.

• 1:31:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  And, uh, and then, and then he found his way to Longo's and then.

• 1:31:58Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem, right? If you don't know where to go and you wind up at a real bad camp and then they, they claim you forever.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Oh, man. He had him doing the gold, he had him doing the gold.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Just like a bad wife.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. This guy was a boxer.

• 1:32:08Speaker 08

  That's what I always say. It's like a bad marriage.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Just like a bad marriage. Yeah.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. But uh, he found his way.

• 1:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, you guys are so good. You and Longo without a doubt need a reality show. You need some sort of reality show where you two guys coaching people and then going to dinner. Just talking shit. It would be a great show. I fucking love it when you guys, I would really love it when you guys were, you know, in the, in the corners when you get mic'd up.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  We have a good time.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  It's great. The two of you guys together, it's a fun team.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Everybody says that. Everybody wants to see a show with you guys.

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  I told him last night, when he's on your podcast, he's the best.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  I have my, you know what's so cool now, man? I have my 16 year old over there. He's holding for us. It just makes me, that gets me emotional. Oh my god.

• 1:32:51Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  It's so cool, man. You know, he's, he's 67, he's still fucking going, man, Longo.

• 1:32:57Joe Rogan?

  He's the best. He's such a-

• 1:32:58Speaker 03

  Ray's awesome.

• 1:32:59Joe Rogan?

  But you two in the corner are so uniquely fun. It's so fun to watch. Like, if I was a television producer, I'm like, that is a no brainer.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  We, we took our guy down to the flagpole.

• 1:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Maybe Paramount Plus. Listen to this.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:11Joe Rogan?

  This new merger, whatever was happening, this new deal.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  That's exciting, I guess, right?

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  We have a Paramount Plus show. You and Ray Longo, Paramount Plus, going to pizza places, talking shit.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  I'm not against it.

• 1:33:25Joe Rogan?

  Going to the fights.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 1:33:27Joe Rogan?

  Going to the fights, like talking about your fight. See, it's like a built in show. You have fighters that you're training. You, you talk about how he's doing, talk about how it came to you. You two guys just talk about the world.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, fucking producers out there. Somebody get a, listen to Joe.

• 1:33:42Joe Rogan?

  I keep stinging, does that make, I don't know.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  It's not me, is it?

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  It might be me.

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  I don't think it's me. Pretty sure I airplane did it.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  I think it's me.

• 1:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a, it's totally a built in show. You can't miss.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Ah, we have a good time.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, you should do it.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  But, you know, I-

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  If you have the time.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. All I'm doing is, you can find me at my school.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Or my podcast, Matt Serry channel on YouTube. I'm having fun with that. So, what, what guys? And then, uh, dude, I'm having, dude, I do movie reactions. You know what I do with that? I watch a movie and they-

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  React in real time?

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  Then it's, I'm just talking shit, watching a movie.

• 1:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  Fucking fun. I play my VR, which is fucking fun. And then I have people in, like I had Murab and I, oh, I had Keith Jardine in, in the other day. Keith Jardine, man, let's plug his new movie, uh, what the fuck was it? Kill Me Again. Me and my wife went to Tribeca for the, uh, and I saw Tate. Tate's in it, your buddy Tate Fletcher. What a sweetheart Tate is.

• 1:34:43Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  He's such a nice guy.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  I love that dude.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Just one guy you wanna hug.

• 1:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, big huggable person.

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  Big huggable bear. And, uh, it's, it's almost, this movie, Kill Me Again, right? He written and directed it, Keith Jardine, and it's, uh, basically Groundhog Day, but a serial killer.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  Oh, it's fucking, it's really good. It was, I mean, listen, I, I, I wouldn't even bring it up if I thought it was shit, to be honest. It was a fun movie. You can get it on Amazon Prime.

• 1:35:06Joe Rogan?

  And I believe you.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is it on Amazon Prime now? It's on Amazon Prime. You can buy it. It came out August 8th and, uh, and I'm proud of him. And what a sweetheart that guy is, Keith Jardine.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Jardine's awesome.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  He was in a great movie called Shot Caller.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a good, that was a good movie.

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  Fuck, Jamie Landis.

• 1:35:22Joe Rogan?

  Jamie Landis.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  He gets, and you know, he's driving drunk, he, but with his couple, he's like a yuppie with a, another couple. He, you know, something happens, the other, the, the, the guy gets killed in the backseat, goes to jail. Kinda like, you know, white collared, uh, but next thing you know, he's got a fucking show. He's not a bitch. And now he's a hardened motherfucker, fucking shanking people. Jon Bernthal's in there.

• 1:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Shot Caller, you like it. Shot Caller is fire.

• 1:35:45Joe Rogan?

  I remember that.

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  Look at this.

• 1:35:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  This was a good fucking movie. And Keith Jardine, he, Keith Jardine is in this.

• 1:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Did, was Keith a bounty hunter?

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  No, he was in his cult. He was a ripper.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  But was he a, an actual bounty hunter at one point in his life?

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  Shit, man. He didn't bring that up on the show. Unless he did, I would've remembered that.

• 1:36:03Joe Rogan?

  See if that's true.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  He was, uh, I went over his whole fucking story.

• 1:36:07Joe Rogan?

  I hope I'm not imagining this.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  He was more of a grappler than he was even a striker.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a bounty hunter.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  He was a fucking bounty hunter.

• 1:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Jardine worked as a personal trainer, firefighter, football coach, miner and bounty hunter. Minor and bounty hunter. That's two of the hardest fucking human beings that have ever lived, connected.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  It's so funny. He's very soft spoken, though. He's very like, nice.

• 1:36:26Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  He looks like a fucking Viking.

• 1:38:26Joe Rogan?

  Had some awesome fights.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  I asked him if he ever, uh, because I said, you know, sometimes I'm at a UFC thing and they go, "Hey, Joe, can I have a picture?" I go, "The wrong ball guy." I asked him, I asked him. They think I'm Dana. I asked him, I go, "Look," "I go, "You gotta answer this for me because have you ever been mistaken for the techno Viking?"

• 1:38:48Speaker 03

  He does look like him.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  You know what?

• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  He does look like him.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  He looks exactly like him.

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, you're the techno Viking.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  He's a fucking guy. Jamie pointed out that that might have been staged.

• 1:39:00Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:39:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, that looked like him. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie's one of the dudes that-

• 1:39:05Speaker 03

  He ruined it for me, the techno Viking.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  Jamie does not like the wool being pulled over his eyes, so he thinks that everything is staged. I don't know, everybody's having, there he is. So this guy- Keith Jardine. Came in, he kicks the guy out. He looks just like Keith Jardine.

• 1:39:16Speaker 04

  Hey, it's already questionable that's being filmed, and this guy's like, center stage.

• 1:39:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, Jamie-

• 1:39:21Speaker 03

  You do have a point there. You got a point?

• 1:39:23Joe Rogan?

  Give this guy a bottle of water, let's fucking go! Let's go! Yeah, so there he goes. Ah, dude! If I was still clubbing, this is how I'd walk in. Look at this. Yeah, a hundred percent, look at him.

• 1:39:34Speaker 03

  That boy, he's all mollyed up, he's ready to go.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, mollyed, he's probably got- That guy's a boss. He's probably got one of them cruising doses in his system.

• 1:39:43Speaker 03

  Right, he's got his minions behind him, carrying his water.

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  Probably legit Viking genes too, man, at least some of them.

• 1:39:49Speaker 03

  Fucking looks like it.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Speaker 03

  Got his Thor's hammer around his neck.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, he looks like the 21st century version of it.

• 1:39:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, what, would the- Come on, man, look at Keith- The original Vikings probably looked like those strongman dudes you see coming out of Iceland. I bet that's what showed up on the boat. Get a picture of Keith Jardine up there now.

• 1:40:07Speaker 03

  Imagine that, a bunch of half Thor Bjornson showing up.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  Bro, who's that guy, that Viking dude that fights in Walter Way, that just fought Chaos Williams? Oh, um...

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  Oh, the one looks like a fucking caveman.

• 1:40:20Joe Rogan?

  And he brought up, he brought up about being a Viking.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  I'm trying to think of his name. He got famous for being ugly.

• 1:40:25Joe Rogan?

  Is it Andreas, what is his name? Yeah, Un-

• 1:40:27Speaker 03

  Oh!

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  He looks just like Keith Jardine, that's crazy. It is Andreas. Jamie, would you, could you go to, uh, Chaos Williams Wikipedia, look up his, uh, MMA career? Cause Ca- Chaos is fucking good, man, he hits hard. He's hard. Dangerous guy, and- He got worn the fuck out by this dude. This is another one of those dudes, what, me and DC have been talking about this, like, extreme physicality is a tool, you know, and Coleman used to say this. Yeah, Andreas Gustafson. He used to say that strength is a skill. And I was like, it kind of is a skill, Andreas Gustafson. Yeah, this guy's fucking terrifying, man.

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a different dude.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  And what you should see, go to Andreas Gustafson workout.

• 1:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Just Google workout. And this dude is hardcore powerlifter. Like when you see some of this shit he's doing, the amount of strength that this guy has, you're like, oh, Jesus. Like, there's guys that are not that big, right? Like, you know, see that janitor who pulls pranks on Instagram? Who walks up to these, these big meatheads and lifts up the stuff? He's not that big, though. But these super-strong dudes who practice powerlifting, you can be incredibly strong and not look like a bodybuilder.

• 1:41:47Speaker 01

  What's this guy's weight?

• 1:41:48Joe Rogan?

  And that's this guy. He's a 185.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  No, he's a 70.

• 1:41:51Joe Rogan?

  No, excuse me, 170, 170. But this motherfucker is so strong, man. When he gets a hold of guys, he's just ragdolling people. You know, Chaos has been very consistent in his career with good takedown defense. He knows how to fight guys off, dangerous striker, and he couldn't do shit to this guy. It was like a one-sided ass-whupping. Like, a real one-sided ass-whupping that I didn't expect. I was like, that is, uh, I, I thought it'd be a good fight, and it was just a mauling, man.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  I thought Chaos was gonna clip him.

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  He could easily have. The power that Chaos has, he puts guys out with one shot, but this dude just tucks his chin down and wades bombs at you until he gets a grip on you. And then just starts throwing you around.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  170, he's welterweight.

• 1:42:43Joe Rogan?

  He's 170.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  I'll tell you who's the dark horse in that division. He's pretty impressive. Shawn Brady.

• 1:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:49Speaker 01

  Shawn Brady.

• 1:42:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't even think he's the dark horse.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't, yeah.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  After that Leon Edwards fight?

• 1:42:54Speaker 01

  People aren't talking about him enough, though, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that Leon Edwards fight was crazy.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  I'll be with them tomorrow. Training with them tomorrow, yeah. Dude, he's looking great, Shawn Brady. I love his style.

• 1:43:03Joe Rogan?

  He's a monster. He's a monster.

• 1:43:04Speaker 01

  It's so funny, I had him on, and he's like, you know, people always talking about me being short for welterweight. I'm 5'9", it's not like I'm 5'6" or, oh my god! Sean, I'm your fan. Come on, man. Nah, it's funny, but uh.

• 1:43:19Joe Rogan?

  He's got that turtle muscle on his back. Yeah, he's trying to get a. Crush your head muscle. He's trying to get that Ian Gary fight.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  I love his.

• 1:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Is that what he's looking for right now? Well, he'll fight anybody. It's just. Well, you know, I would love to see him fight for the title. I mean, I think that's a reasonable fight.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Like with Jack Della, like who's next after, if Jack Della and Islam fight, which seems to be exactly what's gonna happen. Who's next after that? Like who's, who's in number one position right now?

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  I think Ian Gary has to be up there. It's either, it's Sean or Bilal.

• 1:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, right. Ian Gary has one loss, right? Yeah, cause he just, yeah, he lost to.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Kamz, not Kamzak, Shavkat.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Shavkat, right. Real close fight, but that one loss set him back a little bit. So Bilal's number one, but you know.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  I bet they're gonna want Bilal to fight somebody else. They, they seem to have a hard on for Bilal.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:44:15Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  Nice fucking guy.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  The, the, the, the numbers don't mean that's the fight that gets made, right? Not always.

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  I think Sean Brady's only, the only problem, the only one loss he has is from Bilal, right?

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Can you put that back up, Jamie, so I can see who else is in there? Oh, man. So it's like, if you look at that division, you know, that division has gone through so many different changes. So you've got Shavkat, who just had some kind of surgery that's undisclosed, right? We don't know what injury he's recovered from, but he had like a pretty significant injury apparently. And then you got Leon.

• 1:44:50Joe Rogan?

  Kamaru. Michael Morales is the real dark horse of that division. Right. He fucked Gilbert Burns up. He fucked him up. Yeah, that, that looked like Gilbert just didn't belong in there. Sure did. And that's weird to see, right? I didn't know it's Gilbert, a lot of miles, a lot of fights.

• 1:45:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd like to see Sean Brady get his shot.

• 1:45:09Speaker 08

  That's what we working on.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  Dean Thomas, he must be strong.

• 1:45:13Speaker 08

  He's strong as fuck. Yeah, he wears all of us.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  Dude, I like his positional, his jiu-jitsu's very, very good for fighting. I'll tell you, nowadays, I can't even watch some jiu-jitsu matches. I watch, it's just fucking a lot of scissoring and...

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you what, man, I was blown away by Kamaru versus Joaquin Buckley. I was blown away.

• 1:45:32Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  He looked great.

• 1:45:34Speaker 08

  He looked good.

• 1:45:34Joe Rogan?

  He looked like Kamaru was the champion. He looked like the champion. He looked like, like if Joaquin was challenging Kamaru for the title, that's the Kamaru that you would expect to see. That's what he looked like. Yeah, he definitely looked good.

• 1:45:46Speaker 08

  Yeah, he showed a good IQ.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  But also, the ability to move, right? Like, you didn't seem hampered by his knees, all the things that people talk about.

• 1:45:55Speaker 08

  And that's what we thought it was gonna seem. We thought it was this old ass man with them bad knees.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Didn't look bad at all.

• 1:45:59Speaker 08

  No.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  And I think, you know, it's a lot of it is mental strength, of sure. But it's also, like, he hasn't really taken a lot of damage, other than the big high kick from Leon and, you know, if you go and you watch his fights, he had a pretty good war with Colby before he won. I mean, they exchanged a lot of blows, um, you know, Gilbert dropped him, remember that?

• 1:46:21Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  But overall, not a lot of damage in his career. Mostly, he's been the dominator. You know, so even though he's 37, I think.

• 1:46:28Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:46:29Joe Rogan?

  He's still pretty fresh.

• 1:46:30Speaker 08

  Yeah, he's alright.

• 1:46:31Speaker 03

  I thought it was good to see him go back to his wrestling roots a little bit. A lot of times, the wrestlers get good with their hands and all of a sudden, they forget about what got him to the show and he just straight manhandled.

• 1:46:42Joe Rogan?

  He did, but he also looked good on the feet, man. He looked good, everywhere in that fight.

• 1:46:46Speaker 08

  Disciplined and just good, straight punches.

• 1:46:49Speaker 03

  I thought Sean Brady looked great in his last fight with his hands, too.

• 1:46:53Joe Rogan?

  100%. And to do that to Leon, where you know Leon knows he can't lose again, he, you know, lost the title and he wants to come back and, and get it back, and now all of a sudden, you got this turtle shell motherfucker in front of you. It seems insanely strong. How's Kobe still in these rankings? I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. Kinda crazy. I wonder how much of that would be like because he's still super valuable. Yeah, it's gotta be. Yeah, because if you're a guy, like, why kick him out if you're a guy like Shavkat and they offer you Kobe, you know, in the main event of a Fight Night or something like that? Yeah. Like, that's a great fight for both guys. They'll probably make way more money. Yeah. So how does that work with Paramount now? I don't know, that's... Here's the question. I thought you'd have the inside scoop.

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, I don't, I don't talk to Dana about business. Right. You know? Yeah. I heard they're raising the, uh... I'm more of a, I'm almost a socialist when it comes to that shit. I would be the worst. They'd fucking fire me for sure. I would change the pay structure immediately. You know, um, but I wonder if you're, there's no pay-per-view.

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, you want a mint? Like, that's a mine mints. That's neuro gum. The neuro mints. I have the, I have the gum.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, a mine mint?

• 1:48:05Speaker 03

  You want one?

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  I need it for my fucking brain. Give me some of that. I got one left in here. Nice. Let's take the last one. Oh, thank you. It looks dirty on the outside with this coffee. Nah, I'm good. I had, I had a gummy. Yeah, you have some of them gummies. Yeah, I'm always giving myself mine mints and all that shit and I'm still stupid. What were we just talking about? The pay structure. Oh, yeah. So, so they used to get the money from pay-per-view, right? So if you were a guy like Conor McGregor that's gonna get 2 million pay-per-views, like, you get a percentage of that and, you know, you're set for life, right? You, you get one big one like that and woo! How does that work now? So how's that work now? How's it work now if it's for free? There's no more pay-per-view? He did say, I did hear him saying he's up in the, the Fight Night. Yeah, the bonuses. I did see that. Yeah.

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  The low-hanging fruit, that's easiest to answer. Bonuses are obviously going up. That's great. Uh, that'll be big. And forget about the tide rising with all the other fighters. Just the number the bonuses bring to a fighter, it's millions of dollars. Okay, well, that's great. Okay, so then there's a bonus structure, like, if that many people watch your thing, you get millions of dollars. That would be cool. That sounds great. That's loot. Paramount's got a ton of loot.

• 1:49:14Speaker 08

  Obviously.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  And this is a great move for them.

• 1:49:17Speaker 08

  Good content, too.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  You know how many people are gonna sign up for Paramount Plus?

• 1:49:20Speaker 08

  I know.

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  If you get free UFC's forever? And South Park. That's crazy. And South Park, right? And South Park. And a bunch of other shows, too. There's a shitload of shows. All of Taylor Sheridan's shows are all Paramount shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually.

• 1:49:32Speaker 08

  But did anybody see this coming? No one saw this coming.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Literally just finished up Yellowstone not that long ago. Bro, I'm tight with Dana. And I talked to him about, we were talking about the problems with this and the problems with that. But I need to ask him this weekend in Chicago if it's true that the Netflix people wanted to stop the fights in the Apex. They didn't want any fights in the Apex. They wanted fights with like big crowds.

• 1:49:51Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Like they wanted to be big. We want it to be big, big, big.

• 1:49:54Speaker 08

  Like all the fights, big, big, big, yeah.

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  One of the best heavyweight fights of all time in terms of like the result was Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic with no crowd at all in the Apex in the small ring. Yep.

• 1:50:07Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  It was like one of the best experiences. Like you want to watch like a guy in his prime who's fucking terrified, who's figured it all out versus a guy who's got, he's a legend, he's a champion, but he's got a lot of miles on him and there's a lot of wars. And you see it with no one there. You're hearing the huff and huff of each breath. Every time Francis hits him, you fucking feel that thud in your cells.

• 1:50:32Speaker 08

  Hey, you don't gotta sell me, man. I love watching fights at the Apex.

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:50:36Speaker 08

  I love it.

• 1:50:37Joe Rogan?

  It's my favorite.

• 1:50:37Speaker 08

  Me too.

• 1:50:38Speaker 03

  I mean, I really believe that the smaller cage just forces more action. That's why the fights are so good in it. I was wondering if they would downsize the arena cage because of the, you know, the quality of the fights that was in the smaller cage.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  The problem with that is like when you got a guy that is just very footwork based and has developed his style based on a large...

• 1:51:00Speaker 03

  You're fucking him, that's a fact.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  If he's developed his style based on his ability to move around a full-sized cage.

• 1:51:06Speaker 04

  The Netflix thing is from a troll account, I think.

• 1:51:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, troll, did it?

• 1:51:09Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 1:51:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's good. Well, who knows why they decided to not do it, but man, whoever gets the UFC and does the no pay-per-view model, you just gained millions of subscribers instantaneously.

• 1:51:22Speaker 08

  But I'm also like-

• 1:51:23Speaker 03

  Do you think it'll be better for the casuals now that everybody can see it?

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  100%, 100%.

• 1:51:28Speaker 08

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  Cause everybody's gonna get every pay-per-view now for free. You'll be scrolling through the channels like, oh, let's see who's fighting.

• 1:51:33Speaker 03

  I wonder how much money I'll save a year now, not buying, you know, save me 80 a month or two.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, you tune it in, you watch one Alex Pereira high kick knockout, you're like, oh shit, and then you're hooked. And then, then the next time it's on, you're like, oh, the UFC's on. And then boom, you've got more fans. I mean, it's the most exciting to the, this average spectator because you don't have to know anything. You have to know shit to watch guys just go to war.

• 1:51:59Speaker 08

  True. I'm just surprised that ESPN didn't-

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  Step up?

• 1:52:03Speaker 08

  Well, just, yeah, well, I mean, at 7.7, that's what I'm saying, at 7.7, like, they probably was like, nah, we're good.

• 1:52:09Speaker 03

  Their app was shit anyway.

• 1:52:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, Paramount's giving them a billion dollars a year for seven years. I mean, that's wild. That's a lot of loot.

• 1:52:17Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:52:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Speaker 01

  I'm excited about that, um, Aaron Pico.

• 1:52:22Speaker 03

  This whole card, this card is a very good card.

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Leron Murphy's no joke.

• 1:52:27Speaker 08

  No joke.

• 1:52:28Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:52:29Speaker 08

  Who you got on this?

• 1:52:30Speaker 03

  Might be leaning Murphy's way, I'm not sure.

• 1:52:33Speaker 08

  I still am, I still am.

• 1:52:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:35Speaker 08

  I think that the UFC jitters is a real thing, man.

• 1:52:37Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  UFC jitters a real thing and Murphy is no joke. He is super solid, super technical everywhere.

• 1:52:44Speaker 08

  Good footwork.

• 1:52:45Speaker 03

  And if Aaron wants to be a boxer, this kid is really explosive on his feet, Murphy.

• 1:52:50Speaker 08

  He's got the wrestling too.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Murphy is like-

• 1:52:52Speaker 03

  He does, but he don't use it enough, I don't believe.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Murphy to me is very much like Leon Edwards in his prime at 145.

• 1:52:57Speaker 08

  For sure.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  Very similar, very similar. Strong everywhere, super technical, doesn't make any mistakes. He's good, man.

• 1:53:05Speaker 03

  I think, I always think he's a more aggressive version too. Leon could kinda cruise at times where I think Murphy's looking to finish you.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  He's world championship potential. He's certainly world championship potential.

• 1:53:16Speaker 03

  He is coming on short notice too.

• 1:53:18Speaker 08

  Who is?

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  Murphy.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he's, but he's a consummate professional.

• 1:53:22Speaker 08

  Yeah, I was gonna say, he's a big guy that trains all the time.

• 1:53:24Speaker 03

  They said straight up, he's ready. They said three weeks might be too much time cause he's ready all the time.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the word out of that part, that camp, is that that guy's always training. And which is what you want to see from a guy like that, who's undefeated and also not getting the shine that a lot of other guys in that division are getting.

• 1:53:40Speaker 03

  Props to him for taking the fight, too.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  There's so many good guys in that division, you know, and Ilio is such a star. That everybody with Volkanovski in there, Yair, and everybody kind of got lost. Diego.

• 1:53:52Speaker 03

  Is it a five-rounder? It's the co-main event, right?

• 1:53:54Speaker 08

  It's a three-rounder.

• 1:53:54Speaker 03

  That's a three-rounder, okay.

• 1:53:56Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:53:58Speaker 03

  That could change.

• 1:53:59Speaker 04

  I listened on the website as the co-main, but.

• 1:54:01Speaker 03

  I thought it was.

• 1:54:02Speaker 04

  It's in their spot.

• 1:54:03Speaker 08

  It is, it is co-main, but it's still three rounds. I read that today, actually.

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  That's cool. Well, that changes things.

• 1:54:08Speaker 08

  One of my, one of my paperwork's.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting because Pico is really good, man, but I would have liked to see him against someone, you know, to establish a name for himself.

• 1:54:19Speaker 08

  I thought he had a really good shot at beating Movzhar.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, Movzhar is crazy because the grappling from Movzhar is just off the charts, but you're not dealing with the kind of kicks that you're dealing with with Murphy.

• 1:54:29Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  With Murphy, he's, he's gonna chop you up on the outside, and if you're heavy on that front leg, because you like boxing, like, ooh, a couple of those calf kicks, change everything.

• 1:54:38Speaker 03

  I know. Got a lot of spinning attacks, too.

• 1:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of everything. He's a problem. He's a problem.

• 1:54:45Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:46Speaker 01

  I thought Aljo beat him. It was close.

• 1:54:48Speaker 03

  I thought Aljo won that fight, too.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  Only because the round ended with, with Movzhar on top, but he was dominating that.

• 1:54:53Speaker 03

  I thought Aljo won that fight as well.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  I thought Aljo won that.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  But it was close, but I thought Aljo won as well. Movzhar is very, very, very good. But that's a good fight for Pico, because Pico's an elite grappler and he's got real dangerous hands, real dangerous hands.

• 1:55:06Speaker 08

  I thought Pico would have beat him.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  It would have been a great fight for him. It would have been an interesting fight for him. This is a different fight.

• 1:55:11Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  This is a different fight and I think a more dangerous fight, in a lot of ways, just because of his style.

• 1:55:16Speaker 08

  The footwork, yeah, it's gonna be tough for Pico.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  He's tough, man. Murphy's tough, and again, he's one of those guys that is way better than his, uh, public, like, persona.

• 1:55:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, people don't know about it yet.

• 1:55:30Speaker 03

  Not enough people know about him.

• 1:55:31Joe Rogan?

  There's so many guys in that division, man. That division's crazy.

• 1:55:34Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:55:35Joe Rogan?

  It's filled with killers. Filled with killers.

• 1:55:37Speaker 03

  This card's a good one. And uh Jeff

• 1:55:40Speaker 08

  Diego Lopez

• 1:55:41Speaker 03

  Jeff Neal

• 1:55:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, John Silva

• 1:55:43Speaker 08

  John Silva

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that fight is gonna be

• 1:55:46Speaker 08

  I know, are you going to that? That's in uh Guadalajara

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  I, no, it's in San Antonio

• 1:55:51Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, San Antonio, yeah

• 1:55:54Joe Rogan?

  It's in Texas, I might go to that

• 1:55:55Speaker 08

  Yeah

• 1:55:55Joe Rogan?

  It's um, that John Silva guy looks like a world champion

• 1:55:58Speaker 08

  I know

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  That's another one, he looks like a world fucking champion

• 1:56:01Speaker 08

  For sure

• 1:56:01Speaker 03

  He's a character, too

• 1:56:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah, the barking and shit

• 1:56:04Speaker 08

  I like that

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  But bro, what he did to Bryce Mitchell was just, well, he sent him down

• 1:56:08Speaker 03

  You made him down the banter

• 1:56:09Speaker 08

  Yeah, for sure

• 1:56:10Speaker 03

  Made yourself lightheaded, barking out at the, at the wolf earlier

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I got a little lightheaded The fact that he was like so relaxed and laughing and like, it's just, he just knew it was a matter of time and then submitted him And put him to sleep

• 1:56:23Speaker 08

  What's funny about that is Bryce Mitchell, who just went down in weight, looked great

• 1:56:26Joe Rogan?

  Great

• 1:56:26Speaker 08

  Yeah, he did

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's the right division for him

• 1:56:28Speaker 08

  A hundred percent

• 1:56:29Joe Rogan?

  That's the right division for him, and I mean, he's got two choices, bulk way up and cut down, which is what most of these guys are doing

• 1:56:36Speaker 08

  Yeah

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Or go to 135, which he looked great

• 1:56:39Speaker 08

  And that was just discipline for him, just gotta live a better life

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, cause he was never like real ripped

• 1:56:43Speaker 08

  No, no

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  At 45, yeah

• 1:56:45Speaker 08

  Yeah

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  He's eating cornbread on the farm and shit, you know? I don't know what he eats, I'm sure he eats healthy, he's, he's, I mean, he's a very good grappler, I'll tell you that That guy's dangerous

• 1:56:55Speaker 08

  He's got good jiu-jitsu

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  Really, really good jiu-jitsu, real smart, I've seen a lot of his uh tutorials online, like very, very good stuff But, you know, John Silva's just a different thing, man, there's guys that are just better everywhere

• 1:57:08Speaker 08

  Yeah, and I thought he would've gave Ilya a problem

• 1:57:11Joe Rogan?

  I think so, too

• 1:57:12Speaker 08

  Yeah, like if Ilya stayed down and he fought John Silva, I thought that was gonna be a problem for Ilya

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, both have one punch knockout power, and John Silva's a very good kicker

• 1:57:20Speaker 08

  Yeah

• 1:57:21Joe Rogan?

  Very, it's different, like Ilya does not throw a whole lot of kicks and most of them are to the legs

• 1:57:25Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, Ilya's not throwing any head kicks

• 1:57:27Speaker 08

  Right

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure he can, I mean, he might do that just because we're talking shit right now

• 1:57:31Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

• 1:57:32Joe Rogan?

  But what Ilya does do is he touches you and that's what Farah Sahabi calls the touch of death

• 1:57:37Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm

• 1:57:37Joe Rogan?

  He's got that touch of death, man, when he did that shit to Charles, I was like, I can't even believe I'm seeing this

• 1:57:43Speaker 08

  They folded him.

• 1:57:44Joe Rogan?

  Folded him.

• 1:57:45Speaker 08

  He didn't look bad on the floor either.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  Called it.

• 1:57:47Speaker 08

  I know, I know.

• 1:57:48Joe Rogan?

  Celebrated the night before.

• 1:57:49Speaker 08

  Remember we talked about that like, yo, I think we were in the back talking, was like, yo, this is crazy, man. No one, no one should be doing this. And he goes out there and does it.

• 1:57:58Speaker 03

  It's like Arnold on Pumping Iron when he was, remember he was telling Lou Fregno at breakfast? Said, I called my parents, I won already.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  That's a big difference, though. All he has to do is flex.

• 1:58:08Speaker 03

  In his underwear.

• 1:58:09Joe Rogan?

  Ilya had to go out there and knock out Charles Olivera with one punch. That was wild, man. That dude has power.

• 1:58:14Speaker 08

  He looked good on the floor, too.

• 1:58:16Speaker 03

  He was very good. I mean, I saw, like I said, I saw footage of him and Marab wrestling, like, you know, I don't know where they were. And he, I didn't see anybody get caught in, in this video, but like, Ilya just seemed to be one step ahead.

• 1:58:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:58:32Speaker 03

  And the wrestling exchanges, you know, so he's, he's, at least on Marab's level, and Marab's a savage.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  You know what he does? It's really interesting. He, he talked about it on the podcast. He trains each sport individually, and then he puts them all together. So he doesn't train MMA, Jiu Jitsu. He trains Jiu Jitsu with Jiu Jitsu guys. So he trains with elite Jiu Jitsu guys, elite wrestlers. He wrestles with elite wrestlers, boxes with elite boxers, does everything, and then puts it all together himself.

• 1:58:59Speaker 08

  I mean, that is the way to do it.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  But if it's like, yeah.

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Interesting how some camps don't do that. You go there and, you know, you have, everybody's doing MMA. He's like entering into Jiu Jitsu spaces, training there, entering into boxing spaces.

• 1:59:14Speaker 03

  I think it's smarter.

• 1:59:14Joe Rogan?

  And because of that, like, we all know that the boxing in boxing is at a higher level than the boxing in the UFC. There's no way to be as good as David Benavides if you're not boxing your whole fucking life and doing it every day and only doing that. There's no way. You're not going to be as good as him.

• 1:59:31Speaker 08

  Right, for sure.

• 1:59:31Joe Rogan?

  And so we're, we know that, so, but if you can get more closer to that by training with them and only training with them, you get Ilya Taboria.

• 1:59:41Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:59:42Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's what you get. That's what you get. You get a guy who's boxing with boxers.

• 1:59:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you retain more details, you know what I mean?

• 1:59:48Joe Rogan?

  But man, the discipline you have to have to do, do all those things with the same kind of intensity and then put it all together.

• 1:59:56Speaker 08

  Well, I mean, he's got a very, like, he's And that's the benefit of not having like this big camp doing it all. Like, when you're just by yourself and everybody around you is helping you get to these places and do those things. It's a huge benefit.

• 2:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And it's also like, today, we know what everybody else can do, too. Like, if you're at a certain level, like Ily is already, you know your abilities. Like, you don't necessarily have to be in a camp where there's a bunch of people.

• 2:00:24Speaker 08

  Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you don't need that.

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You know which guys you have to bring in for Spartan partners. Concentrate everything on you. That way, you're not dealing with all these dudes in the locker room that maybe you got beef with. And Colby's talking shit about your girlfriend. And you're just trying to use the sauna. Fuck off, Colby.

• 2:00:43Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's like, there's something to be said for them really small camps.

• 2:00:48Speaker 08

  Yeah, I think, you know, as we move forward and evolve, man, I think that's the direction it's going. Like, all the big guys gonna be like, yeah, for sure. Could you imagine Floyd Mayweather in class with everybody else?

• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, exactly.

• 2:01:01Speaker 08

  You go, I go. Like, that shit ain't happening, yeah.

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. With a blue belt jiu-jitsu class. Yeah, exactly. That's a good point. Yeah, I mean, and most of those guys would take their camps outside, you know, like Muhammad Ali did it, Tyson did it. A lot of these guys, they would go somewhere. Go to Big Bear. Yehlalhoya did that.

• 2:01:20Speaker 08

  That was a big thing there, yeah.

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:22Speaker 03

  Shoot, what about, uh, Crawford and, uh, Canelo?

• 2:01:27Joe Rogan?

  What do you think of that?

• 2:01:28Speaker 03

  Personally, I'm a, I'm a big Crawford fan, so I'm gonna lean his way. My only, my only concern is just the size. Like, it didn't look like Terrence's power transferred in the last fight. So now it's coming up some more, you know what I mean?

• 2:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Part of the problem with that is Majumah was really good. He's really fucking good.

• 2:01:46Speaker 03

  I mean, but I, I just think Crawford is, it's weird to say against Canelo, but I think he's the better boxer. And I think he's the guy who can make the better in-fight adjustments if Canelo doesn't kill him.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be interesting, I'll tell you that.

• 2:01:59Speaker 03

  What do you think?

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. You know, I'm, I'm, it's a big jump to go from 54, which was a step up from 47. Right? So he goes to 54 and now he's going to 68. That's so much weight.

• 2:02:11Speaker 03

  Lot of weight.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  But Terrence is, I think he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.

• 2:02:15Speaker 03

  They claim, Hagler was my favorite. They, I mean, they claim he's walking around like a buck 90 or something. And you do know, he's a wrestler.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:02:24Speaker 03

  So he's got that mentality to him.

• 2:02:26Joe Rogan?

  He also built up slowly. Like he, he took his time. Like it's been a long time training for this fight. He was, he came on this podcast more than a year ago and he was talking about that, that's the fight he wants.

• 2:02:36Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 2:02:37Joe Rogan?

  And that was a long time ago. So he's been trying to get that fight for a long time. So knowing after he beat Errol Spence, that he wasn't ever gonna fight at that weight again, and then going up fighting Madrimov, and then knowing he's got like at least a year before he fights Alvarez. He got pretty big.

• 2:02:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:53Speaker 08

  Yeah, I like. Yeah, I'm leaning, bud. Yeah.

• 2:02:55Joe Rogan?

  He's slick, man. He's slick. He's super intelligent. Like he sets traps. He does stuff and then, you know, there's a bunch of great breakdown videos of particularly the Errol Spence fight, like him setting traps. It's just, he's a very high level guy, but Canelo is dangerous. He broke Billy Joe Saunders' whole face. Broke his whole face. What he did to Amir Khan, remember that shit?

• 2:03:19Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, lordy. Oh, lordy. And never been down. Never been dropped.

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, Canelo's a stud.

• 2:03:26Speaker 08

  Yeah, Terrence, they ran it out the Apex for a while. Was training there. Kids running around, some kids running around all on the mat. I was like, get these badass kids out of here.

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  He was using the Apex? Why was he using the Apex?

• 2:03:36Speaker 08

  I don't know. I don't know. I'd see it, but 30 people, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  One gonna run into everybody, right?

• 2:03:41Speaker 08

  Yeah. Half of them in suits.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  How many, how many times did he use it?

• 2:03:46Speaker 08

  Oh, he was there for a while.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:03:48Speaker 08

  Yeah. They were training at the Apex.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. And this was getting ready for this fight?

• 2:03:52Speaker 08

  Yeah, getting ready for this fight.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, that makes sense because the UFC is co-promoted. Yeah. Dana is a part of that.

• 2:03:57Speaker 03

  I saw on their website, I saw like, you know, by the Canelo Crawford fight, in my head, I was like, holy shit. And then I was like, oh yeah, Dana's involved with this.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Speaker 03

  That's something you never thought you'd see.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting. It's because it's like, I wonder how that's gonna affect combat sports. Like, what's, what's gonna happen? I mean, if the UFC model gets, if they start making fights that people want, like, there's a lot of fights that people just want. They just don't get, like, if David Benavides and Canelo Alvarez were in the UFC, that would be the fight to make.

• 2:04:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:28Joe Rogan?

  The UFC would have to figure out, like, hey, guys, hey, guys. Like, no, no, no, no, no, these are the guys. You guys have to fight. Like, this is the fight. Like, this, it can't be, I'm gonna do something else, I'm gonna fight Jake Paul. No, it's gotta be, this is the fight.

• 2:04:41Speaker 03

  They gotta change their culture, though, you know, because a, a loss in boxing means a lot more than a loss in MMA. Like, the MMA fans are more accepting.

• 2:04:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:50Speaker 03

  Especially if the fight was good. Where in boxing, their whole role is to build you to 20 so they can get you title fights. And they're finding people for you along the way, so.

• 2:05:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, Canelo lost to Bival and he lost to Floyd, and I don't think it really damaged him that much. He's still a superstar.

• 2:05:05Speaker 03

  Well, Floyd, he was, at that time Floyd was the superstar, so I think it probably, I mean, you know, Floyd jumped him at the right time. And Bival, uh, like, I mean, again, Canelo was doing his thing, moving up in weight and things of that sort, so.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  As far as business model, I wonder if he's gonna, with Dana involved, like, the problem with boxing is, nobody gives a shit about the undercard. They show up for the main card.

• 2:05:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:05:29Speaker 01

  Is it possible for him to make it as exciting as the UFC, where he's got the whole lineup, where there's fights you wanna see? Is there that many boxes out there that?

• 2:05:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. They can do that. And that, they're, they're trying to do that, and that's one of the things that they're doing with, uh, those Riyadh series fights.

• 2:05:43Speaker 08

  Yeah. So, like, they're trying to create the league, and I think that's where it gets all into the legislation and all that stuff, is changing the Ali Act and all that stuff, but... So, I mean, it, it gets a little tricky, but I mean, the, the goal is to create a league to where boxers can go, and then, like, losses won't mean as much.

• 2:06:00Speaker 01

  That might, see, that's, that might change right there, because nobody really gives a fuck that much with the, with the mixed martial arts. You got your fan favorites, you got guys you wanna see, you got fights you wanna make. People give them shit about, well, what's the rankings?

• 2:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Pereira got knocked out by Izzy, and he didn't lose any, nothing, right?

• 2:06:13Speaker 08

  Nothing, nothing.

• 2:06:15Joe Rogan?

  Zero.

• 2:06:15Speaker 08

  No, exactly.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  And then he came back and won the light heavyweight title, and everybody's like, he's back?

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shooting his arrows, he's back.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Best walkout ever. Best walkout ever. No one's walkout is like his.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  It's hysterical.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Callum Walsh and Fernando Vargas Jr., that's a good fight.

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  Fernando Vargas Jr.

• 2:06:32Joe Rogan?

  That's great. Yeah, so these are two good fi- there's, there's two good fights under, underneath that as well. But it's like, um, they're gonna have to do this consistently and build these people up and have, you know, real good video series like the UFC does with embedded and what they do with, uh, the countdown shows and just really get everybody excited about it.

• 2:06:56Speaker 08

  I mean, is that a, is that a bad thing though for, I mean, cause people are being critical of the idea of that, but to me it sounds like a good thing.

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  No, it's to get a bunch of high-end fights on one card.

• 2:07:06Speaker 08

  Well, no, I'm just saying like the idea of like a league for boxers to where there, there's a promotion that will do stuff like that for them. Cause boxing's not doing it for them.

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all in how much money is getting distributed, right? So the, the boxers that make a lot of money are the Canelos, the Floyds, the people that are the superstars. They make a lot of money.

• 2:07:25Speaker 08

  Right.

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  But dudes that fight on undercards that you're watching on TV, don't make shit.

• 2:07:28Speaker 08

  Right.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  And that's where everybody gets confused.

• 2:07:30Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:07:31Joe Rogan?

  You watch UFC fights and there's people that are under, undercards that are making way more money than the undercard people in a boxing match. Way more money.

• 2:07:38Speaker 03

  Tons.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it depends on who's on the card, you know, it really, the, the, the majority of the money I'm sure is going to the top guys. Whereas in the UFC, it's probably a more.

• 2:07:51Speaker 03

  Spread through a little bit more.

• 2:07:52Speaker 08

  The bigger middle class.

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they don't have a high end that's the same. Like Usik made a hundred and fourteen million, something like that.

• 2:08:02Speaker 08

  How is that fucking possible?

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know how that's possible.

• 2:08:04Speaker 03

  How many buys did that fight get?

• 2:08:06Joe Rogan?

  And Dubois made like seventy something million.

• 2:08:08Speaker 03

  They're just throwing that oil money around.

• 2:08:10Joe Rogan?

  I might, I might even be selling Usik's number wrong. I think it might've been like one thirty.

• 2:08:14Speaker 03

  That's ridiculous.

• 2:08:15Joe Rogan?

  No, crazy money, crazy money for that Dubois fight. So that, that's the difference. So that's only possible with the boxing model.

• 2:08:24Speaker 08

  Right.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  So the, the, the, the guys who eat the most are gonna eat the most, most with the boxing model, but.

• 2:08:30Speaker 03

  Do you think that fight?

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  The people underneath that are not gonna be doing nearly as well.

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  You think that fight made any money? If I'm giving 200 million out between the two guys that are fighting the fight, they're not getting that many pay-per-views.

• 2:08:42Speaker 01

  Where'd the money come from?

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they got that black gold flowing out of that.

• 2:08:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was about to say, that's crazy.

• 2:08:48Speaker 03

  How do you sustain that business model, though? If that's how they're doing it right now? Like, people scream about these guys making more money, but like, the UFC would be out of business if they paid that money, because they're just not bringing that money in.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Or get the Saudis to pay everybody the same. Let's take advantage of that black gold.

• 2:09:05Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  Those dudes don't give a fuck.

• 2:09:07Speaker 03

  Let's go, Turkey.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  That money for them is like me ordering a pizza. Like, hey, everybody guys want pizza? I'll make a call to get a pizza delivered. They don't give a fuck. They're making insane amounts of money. Like, we don't even know how much money they have, because it's not public. It's not like us, like, you know, like, Bezos has to, like, disclose his wealth, like, the richest man in the world. Like, are you sure?

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you gotta think this gotta be so much if they're paying these guys 100 million dollars to box.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, to box.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  To box, not even do nothing like world-changing.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that's why Canelo was holding out with Benavides, because the number that I heard was 200 million. He wanted 200 million dollars to fight Benavides.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  God bless.

• 2:09:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, it seems like they're kind of close to that.

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, if they're getting in the 130s for Usik, this is crazy. That's so much money. To guarantee some money?

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  You gotta, if they do a new model, they, they gotta, like, look, the early prelims, shit, I don't miss those. You got, you got Edson Barbosa on early prelims.

• 2:10:08Speaker 03

  This whole card is deep, man.

• 2:10:09Speaker 01

  I mean, that's a fucking sick fight right there.

• 2:10:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, two guys that want to bang it out.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  I like that your card close. He's never had his, quite his day, like, he gets to a certain level.

• 2:10:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:19Speaker 01

  And then, uh, uh, uh, what is his name? Fucking, uh, uh, Barush.

• 2:10:27Speaker 03

  Darush.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  Darush.

• 2:10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, Badil Darush, yeah.

• 2:10:30Speaker 01

  Give me another mint for my brain.

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  You know. Neil looked great in his last fight.

• 2:10:35Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Neil looked real good.

• 2:10:37Speaker 08

  He's Moicano.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  He looked real good against Moicano, right?

• 2:10:41Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  He's, he's a great fighter and he's getting a little bit older too. You know.

• 2:10:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, he fools you with that gray hair.

• 2:10:47Speaker 08

  I was gonna say, he looks like he's 50.

• 2:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he comes in with that gray hair. Yeah, he's not that old, man.

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  He's a savage. He did great in that Moicano fight.

• 2:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's very good, man. It's a, it's a great, great time for watching fights. You know, who else is on the card this weekend?

• 2:11:00Speaker 03

  I was, that's what I was just thinking.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Jeff Neal and Prates. Oh, that's right.

• 2:11:04Speaker 03

  Tim Elliott and, uh, Asha Cora.

• 2:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro, Prates, Prates and Jeff Neal, that could be a banger.

• 2:11:11Speaker 08

  And I think it all depends on which Jeff Neal shows up.

• 2:11:14Joe Rogan?

  A 100%, a 100%.

• 2:11:16Speaker 08

  If the good ones show up, I think he knocks Prates out.

• 2:11:18Speaker 01

  How about, I, I think Carlos Prates takes us in the first round with a knockout.

• 2:11:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and then there's Jared Cannonier and Michael Page.

• 2:11:25Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  That's the puzzle. Yeah. How about how that dude just goes from middleweight to welterweight, doesn't give a fuck?

• 2:11:30Speaker 08

  Doesn't matter.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  Just, and no one even seems to talk about the fact that he's going up and down in weight.

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  I'm a huge fan.

• 2:11:36Speaker 08

  And he's like 6'4".

• 2:11:37Speaker 01

  I'm a huge fan.

• 2:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:11:39Speaker 01

  No, he's, he's so good.

• 2:11:40Joe Rogan?

  Crazy that he can make light, uh, that he can make welterweight, but also just.

• 2:11:43Speaker 03

  Chase Hooper fight, I think.

• 2:11:45Joe Rogan?

  The only person who figured him out was Ian Gary. You gotta drag him to the ground.

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  Brian Battle and Ruzaboye, that's a good fight too.

• 2:11:52Speaker 08

  That's a good fight.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  That dude is gigantic. He was welterweight for a while too, but he couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, remember?

• 2:11:58Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  He lost to Joaquin.

• 2:11:59Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:12:00Joe Rogan?

  He was like a 6'5" welterweight.

• 2:12:02Speaker 08

  But he hits hard.

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Dangerous, dangerous dude. What, yeah. So he went up to 185.

• 2:12:09Speaker 08

  Yeah, he trains in Philly. I think he was out training with Hamzah a little bit though.

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:12:13Speaker 08

  Yeah, a little bit, for this camp.

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  Was this his second or third middleweight? Cause he, he quit, well, I think that last Buckley fight, he was like, enough of this welterweight bullshit. A lot of these guys are killing themselves.

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Brian Battle is so, is, I love when he fucking.

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  So that's his second fight.

• 2:12:28Speaker 01

  I love when Brian Battle fought in, uh, France, was it? In Paris?

• 2:12:32Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:33Speaker 01

  And he's like, there's no way he think I'm gonna lose a fistfight to a French dude.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  There's no way the butcher is gonna lose.

• 2:12:42Speaker 08

  He's a lot of fun, man. Brian Battle's a lot of fun.

• 2:12:45Speaker 01

  To a French dude.

• 2:12:46Speaker 08

  Perfect.

• 2:12:48Speaker 01

  They all booing him, oh it was fucking great.

• 2:12:50Speaker 03

  It's awesome.

• 2:12:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody's got to remember, that's what Kobe did when he beat.

• 2:12:54Speaker 03

  Brazil.

• 2:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Damian Maia in Brazil. Damian Maia in Brazil.

• 2:12:57Speaker 01

  Less classy though, like.

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Way less classy, but he was going full WWE heel.

• 2:13:03Speaker 03

  It saved his life, it saved his career.

• 2:13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it made him millions. It made him millions.

• 2:13:08Speaker 03

  Cause they were cutting him.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  It's, there's something to be said, I agree, but there's something to be said, if you're, if you're purely business minded, talk a lot of shit.

• 2:13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, about people's dead fathers, about their wives, what a piece of shit.

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  No, his way.

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Yeah, you, you talk like that, you're looking over your show, he could be having a cup of tea in fucking London a, a year from now, or ten years from now. If Leon Edwards runs into him, what do you think's gonna happen?

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  Remember you brought up my dead father, motherfucker? I mean dude, there's stuff, some stuff you could do for the entertainment, but then, hey man,

• 2:13:40Speaker 03

  There's a line.

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  We talked about repercussions, bro. You wanna talk about somebody's wife, or kids, or, or a dead parent?

• 2:13:45Speaker 03

  Well, it's the same thing, even with Connor, in the beginning, he was a funny shit talker, and then it seemed later, in the career, it was more, almost like forced, like he was trying to be the villain, you know what I mean?

• 2:13:57Speaker 01

  It's no fun.

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, you're dealing with people that are dealing with the pressures of being at the top of one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, and every day, when you go to bed, you know there's some dude out there that wants to kick you in the fucking dick. And he's out there right now, he's out there training, and there's that pressure, like, sometimes wears on guys. And over the course of time, they get, like, neurological fatigue, like, like you're just fatigued from the, just the strain.

• 2:14:26Speaker 01

  You just don't give a fuck no more, you just start saying dumb shit.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Angry, and, and then you got CTE, and, you know, so there's a lot of things going on.

• 2:14:33Speaker 03

  I mean, also, the pockets get fatter, and you're under that microscope even more.

• 2:14:37Joe Rogan?

  And then there's.

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna hang out, you got to take a round.

• 2:14:52Speaker 01

  Gets crazy.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  And he probably got some good stuff. I might try Connor's coke. I've never tried coke, but if I was gonna, I'd try it from Connor.

• 2:15:01Speaker 01

  Man, it's not even like hiding it, man.

• 2:15:04Joe Rogan?

  Hey, bro, you gotta love that part of him.

• 2:15:06Speaker 08

  Yeah, he don't give a fuck.

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  He's a pure savage.

• 2:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he don't care about nothing.

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  He's a pure savage. And that's also why he was so good at fighting, man. In the middle of the Jose Aldo fight, I remember looking in his eyes and watching how calm, like genuinely calm he was. I'm like, this guy just, and Dana said it best, he's like, he eats pressure. He just eats it. He likes it. He wants it to be chaos. It's gotta guys say that, but they don't really believe it.

• 2:15:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was, I was at that fight. Thank you, Joe. And when he came in, like I told a story to everybody about him. When he came in, did his thing, he ran around the cage, and then he went in the center of the cage and he just fucking went like this.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:46Speaker 03

  And the place erupted and I was like, God almighty, how fucking.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Was that when Sinead O'Connor?

• 2:15:51Speaker 03

  Just so comfortable.

• 2:15:52Joe Rogan?

  Did Sinead O'Connor did the walkout song for that one? It was one of them she did the walkout song for.

• 2:15:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, my wife filmed his walk.

• 2:15:59Joe Rogan?

  She sang it live and it was bone chilling.

• 2:16:01Speaker 03

  Fucking right.

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh shit.

• 2:16:03Speaker 01

  You know what's a funny thing is when you see a clip of him saying that, that somebody's interviewing him and he goes about partying. He goes, partying is weakness for your soul or some shit like that. And then there's a clip of him now.

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  Fucking going.

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  At least he's the Blade music behind him.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  That opening scene in Blade.

• 2:16:30Speaker 08

  But nah, he was, man, he was something else. His Chad Mendes fight.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:16:34Speaker 08

  Like how much shit he was talking to him, but just still in it. Like even, he got rocked, he goes down, he still comes up and still knocks him out.

• 2:16:40Joe Rogan?

  Eddie Alvarez fight.

• 2:16:41Speaker 08

  Oh, New York.

• 2:16:42Speaker 01

  That was class.

• 2:16:44Joe Rogan?

  My god. I mean, going up to challenge for a second world title and hitting the Matrix. Full Matrix in a fight with a killer. Like Eddie's a fucking killer, man. What he did to Rafael Dos Anjos to win the title.

• 2:16:57Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:16:57Joe Rogan?

  Wild performance. Those fights that he had with Chandler that, those guys took 10 years off each other's lives.

• 2:17:03Speaker 01

  Sorry, my ass.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  Go, go brother.

• 2:17:07Joe Rogan?

  We got those toilets that have the, um, they're the best. There it is. There she goes.

• 2:17:14Speaker 08

  Yeah, this was the Chad Mendes fight. UFC 189.

• 2:17:32Joe Rogan?

  And the best part about this is how he walks out with this giant fucking leprechaun smile on his face.

• 2:17:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, watch this. Get to where he walks out, Jamie.

• 2:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Look at him.

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  That dude just knew how to handle pressure. Yup. Yeah, he thrived in it.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  Alright Jamie, that was a fight that he couldn't even grapple. He couldn't even grapple in training camp. He fucked his knee up. And that's one of the reasons why Chad was able to take him down so easily. He had a hard time training for that fight. And he fucked Chad up too. Fuck Chad up.

• 2:18:29Speaker 03

  Hey, we gotta give Chad. He got up off the sofa for this one too.

• 2:18:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, he did too.

• 2:18:33Speaker 03

  Took it on like 7 days or something.

• 2:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Chad's second fight with Aldo, he got fucked. I remember I reached out to him after the fight. I'm like, damn dude, because the first round after the bell, Aldo cracks him and rocks him. Like, for the first time in the fight, he got rocked. And clearly after the bell, I'm like, damn. That's terrible. After you got knocked out by the guy in the first fight, you come back in the second fight. The first round's wildly entertaining, and then you get hit with a shot after the bell. After the bell, yeah. I mean, it was still a great fight though. It's still a great fight, but it makes me wonder. Like, if that shot doesn't land, that's a real shot, man. That was a different, that was like a real, like, you're almost out shot. And if you get hit with one of those in a fight, that significantly changes the fight.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Significantly changes it. Give me some volume.

• 2:19:28Joe Rogan?

  Way after the buzzer. But Aldo was coming on strong, clearly. Aldo was coming on strong.

• 2:19:40Speaker 03

  Dude, prime Aldo, I don't know who's better. That guy's a fucking monster.

• 2:19:45Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing how good he still is when he fights a hobby and I think he laid his gloves down. I was like, damn dude, he's still really fucking good and really fast.

• 2:19:55Speaker 03

  And down a weight class, instead of up as he got older. Most guys don't go down weight classes.

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I mean, when you look at how muscular he is at 45 and then you think about like what Max did to him, that muscle comes with a price, you know, and when Max started to put that pace on him, like Max was the first guy to really expose him and put that pace on him.

• 2:20:14Speaker 03

  Jose was all fast twitch, you know what I mean? I remember when he double kneeed fucking Cub Swine.

• 2:20:20Joe Rogan?

  How about this? Marab didn't take him down.

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  I know. Couldn't take him down.

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 2:20:25Speaker 03

  He does have great takedown.

• 2:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-eight years into his career, right? Like, and Marab couldn't take that guy down.

• 2:20:32Speaker 03

  Couldn't take him down.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he, his balance is crazy.

• 2:20:35Speaker 03

  What, he took down, uh, what's his name? Piotr Jan, like, ten times.

• 2:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Couldn't take Aldo down. Yeah, that's wild.

• 2:20:43Speaker 03

  And Aldo's jiu-jitsu was good. Yeah, here it is. Here's that double knee. What the fuck, man? And Cub is, was a stud, too.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, he was a monster. Aldo was a monster. Look, he's trying to hit him even after the referees pulled him off.

• 2:20:57Speaker 03

  WEC was great.

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Double knee to the dome.

• 2:20:59Speaker 03

  They had some talent.

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure, man. And this is when Aldo was in his book.

• 2:21:05Speaker 03

  He was different. The leg kicks? Remember he murdered Uriah's leg kicks?

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. Yeah, Uriah, like, that leg was fucked up, man.

• 2:21:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, he told me two weeks he was on crutches. Two weeks he was on crutches, he said.

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. He was in his prime. He was something really special. But, you know, it's like, how long can you keep that up? He's kept it up more than anybody, like, really, because he's still at a world cla- like, a world-class caliber at bantamweight.

• 2:21:32Speaker 03

  I mean, he was, dude, for ten years, nobody touched him. That's a long time, the reign, especially in a weight division like that, where the talent just keeps coming.

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  He just kinda gassed out in that last round because he was going for the finish. He emptied out and Zahabi survived.

• 2:21:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I mean, I, you could make an argument for Aldo, and that, that was a close fight. I didn't think he got stomped out or nothing.

• 2:21:52Speaker 08

  But, I mean, how good was he to himself to know that he's retiring, probably because he feels like he can't do it at the level he knows he can? And he's still doing it at a high level. You see what I'm saying? But in his head, he's like, I'm not doing it at the level, I wanna be able to do it, so I'm just gonna retire.

• 2:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, crazy, yeah. That division, man, between thirty-five and forty-five, it's, it's interesting that twenty-five gets so little love. Like, Pantoja's only ten pounds lighter and he's-

• 2:22:20Speaker 08

  I know, I know.

• 2:22:21Speaker 01

  He's loving-

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  He's a straight-up killer. He's a straight-up killer.

• 2:22:25Speaker 03

  It is crazy, though, like, nobody cared about Mighty Mouse, and that guy was maybe the top martial artist in the league.

• 2:22:31Speaker 08

  Oh, that takedown to armlock, that time?

• 2:22:35Speaker 03

  I don't know if you'll ever see something like that again.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  But it's crazy that it's only ten pounds.

• 2:22:38Speaker 08

  I know, I know.

• 2:22:39Joe Rogan?

  How do you guys know?

• 2:22:39Speaker 08

  Yeah, like, you don't even, you can't tell the difference, like, how do you, yeah, why, how can you tell the difference?

• 2:22:44Joe Rogan?

  People get real weird. They get real weird with sizes.

• 2:22:47Speaker 08

  Bias towards, well, I mean, it was like our shit, like, we were lightweights, and they cut our division after that little tournament.

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:53Speaker 08

  And who'd, who'd have thought that the lightweight should be the best division in UFC?

• 2:22:56Speaker 01

  It was going away, too. They asked me to go back up to welterweight, I didn't just go, why, I mean, fucking, I was making weight, I was beating guys, you know?

• 2:23:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, the UFC just had a weird position, I mean, when, when, before it really took off, they, they were just trying to figure out, like, we gotta figure out a way to make money doing this thing. What people, what do people not wanna see? And if, if someone has this idea, oh, the problem is the lighter weight divisions.

• 2:23:19Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Those are the most exciting, what are they talking about? Look at it now, like, the, it's one of the craziest fights we've seen. The thirty-five, forty-five, fifty-five.

• 2:23:28Speaker 01

  Pantoja's a great champ, man. How many, he defended it, what, three, four times? What'd he do?

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's so good, too.

• 2:23:33Speaker 03

  Any massacres, everybody.

• 2:23:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Great Chit-Su, he's got really good striking.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:39Speaker 03

  Takes, takes torture well, too.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's an animal.

• 2:23:42Speaker 08

  Yeah. He made high card France look bad.

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  And the first fight was good.

• 2:23:47Speaker 08

  I know.

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  They had a good fight, like nine years ago or eight years ago what it was, but the difference between how much better Pantoja got was right away was obvious.

• 2:23:56Speaker 01

  He's another guy. He was doing Uber Eats when he was here, fighting in the UFC and he was still fucking working. He's a real humble guy. He's like a real, just the sweetheart of a guy.

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Good for him.

• 2:24:06Speaker 01

  This guy you want to see do well.

• 2:24:08Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. But that's why I wish the guy got more love. It's like, I don't understand. You know, if he was 145, he'd be a superstar.

• 2:24:16Speaker 01

  Right?

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:24:16Speaker 08

  Just the idea of being a flyweight just has people spooked out to root for him.

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:24:21Speaker 03

  I don't get it.

• 2:24:22Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's weird, but it's always been that way. Even Sohudo, you know, when he was the champ. And, you know, when Mighty Mouse was the champ, like, kinda with everybody.

• 2:24:32Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Figurado didn't get the love that he deserved. Brandon Roy Val.

• 2:24:37Speaker 01

  Rob was getting the love.

• 2:24:38Joe Rogan?

  He's getting a lot of love.

• 2:24:39Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Definitely. But it's always like, it's always like, yeah, but they're flyweights.

• 2:24:43Speaker 08

  Yeah, I know. Yeah, but fly, flyweights are worst division. No, they're not.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, what, I wonder what the biggest flyweight pay-per-view of all time was? Like, how many people? You know what I mean? It would have to be.

• 2:24:54Speaker 08

  It's gotta be pretty low.

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  It would have to be a Mighty Mouse one, probably, wouldn't you think? I saw him talk. I don't know. Maybe the more pay-per-view buys these days.

• 2:25:01Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, I would think it may have been when, uh, Pantoja did it in Brazil, because they probably had a lot of Brazilians on the card, so.

• 2:25:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. Pantoja, Urschek, that was a good fight, too. But I bet it's like, not high.

• 2:25:14Speaker 08

  Yeah, it's got, it's pretty low.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:17Speaker 01

  Shit, man. I en, I enjoy it. I enjoy.

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 2:25:20Speaker 01

  I enjoy all the fucking weight classes. It's all I watch, man. Even though I can't even watch the boxing. I wish I could. I don't know. It's just so, it's not nearly as entertaining as the mixed martial arts. And the fact that there's one on like every week, I just.

• 2:25:32Speaker 03

  I need it to be a good one. Like, I, like, uh, two good boxers, I'll, I'll, I'll tune in. I'm a boxing fan, too, but, I mean, if I have a choice, I'm gonna watch.

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Did you watch Usik and Dubois?

• 2:25:42Speaker 03

  I did. Yeah, Usik's like, Usik is like Lemenchenko plus 100 pounds, like, you know? He's got great footwork. He's a great technical boxer. And now he's starting to put people out, too. Before, he was just out boxing people, so.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Especially Dubois, when you see what he did to AJ in that last fight.

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  What is he gonna do? He's beat everybody twice in the heavyweight division. Who, who do they have left for him?

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, Tyson Fury was talking about coming back, but then it looks like he changed his mind.

• 2:26:09Speaker 03

  He decided to get fucked up. He looks like he likes to have a good time.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  It's a young man's sport.

• 2:26:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:14Speaker 03

  He's not wrong.

• 2:26:15Speaker 08

  He's not that old though.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  But he, if anybody could have beaten him, it could have been Tyson Fury in his prime. Because particularly, you know, in, you know, in moments in the first fight, especially in the early rounds, before he got dropped in the ninth, he was doing really well. Like he was lighting them up. There's more damage than we've ever seen Usik take in a fight, ever.

• 2:26:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  And more clean shots that were landing.

• 2:26:36Speaker 03

  I, I mean, look, Tyson was a fantastic boxer too.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:26:41Speaker 03

  Like, don't let the dad bod fool ya.

• 2:26:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:26:43Speaker 03

  I mean, he was light on his feet, you know, very technical, like, I mean, he obviously has a size and reach advantage over Usik. And when, when he gets that jab poppin', he's tough to beat.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not just a jab. He's got a slick uppercut. He's got a crisp right hand.

• 2:26:57Speaker 03

  He's got great head movement. His defense is slick.

• 2:26:59Joe Rogan?

  He's an all-time great boxer. All-time great.

• 2:27:01Speaker 08

  Is Francis still boxing, or is he doing MMA?

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's gonna do both.

• 2:27:04Speaker 03

  Is he gonna do it again?

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They were talking about setting up a Francis Deontay Wilder fight.

• 2:27:08Speaker 03

  That would be interesting.

• 2:27:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:10Speaker 08

  That should, they, they need to, they need to make that happen.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  But boxing, you always get sucked in. It's like, there's these stories, like, are they doing that? Are they doing that? And then they don't do it.

• 2:27:17Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Are they doing it? Are they doing it?

• 2:27:18Speaker 03

  You're right.

• 2:27:19Joe Rogan?

  And then they don't do it.

• 2:27:20Speaker 03

  I mean, that's one of the problems with the sport.

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the Benavides-Canelo situation. Because if you ask the average, if you want a hardcore boxing fan's dream fight, it's not necessarily Canelo and Crawford, which is a great fight, but you got this thing where Crawford's jumping up all this weight, you're like, man, I don't know. But the great fight is Canelo-Benavides. Everybody knows it.

• 2:27:40Speaker 08

  Right.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Everybody knows it. That's the fight.

• 2:27:43Speaker 08

  Can't make it happen though.

• 2:27:43Speaker 03

  It's been going on forever. Pacquiao should have fought Floyd a long time ago.

• 2:27:48Speaker 08

  That's what I was about to say. Like, it happens all the time. You can't never make the big fights happen.

• 2:27:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  That has to happen. That, that fight has to, if you, if, if boxing is to be complete, if the circle of power is to be folded over onto whatever, if the, the, the rocks you get for your ring, whatever Thanos gets, that fucking Infinity Stones.

• 2:28:05Speaker 08

  Oh, sorry, guys. Now I'm back in the conversation. He go, he had the gauntlet. All right.

• 2:28:11Joe Rogan?

  If that, that's the only way it happens. You know, like, you have to have that fight. That's, that's the fight. And if they fuck that up, and if, like, he goes up and now, now Benavides is fighting light heavyweight more, you know, it's like...

• 2:28:23Speaker 08

  I don't think it happens. In fact, I don't even...

• 2:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Terrible.

• 2:28:25Speaker 08

  I don't think it happens, or it's gonna be too late.

• 2:28:29Speaker 01

  Canelo's probably gonna lose to-

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  He just got back surgery.

• 2:28:31Speaker 01

  Did he?

• 2:28:31Speaker 03

  No, shit.

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he had it on his Instagram. He said his back's been fucking with him for 10 years and he finally got surgery like.

• 2:28:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that might or might not help.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  Bite, back surgery is always like.

• 2:28:43Speaker 03

  It's 50/50. Shit, I had, I had one and I'd knock on wood, it gave me my life back. I had sciatica fucking horribly.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Would you get, which surgery?

• 2:28:51Speaker 03

  Um, they, well, they did a laminectomy from like L2 all the way through S1.

• 2:28:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so all of them were balls?

• 2:28:58Speaker 03

  Like, uh, well, I had, I had stenosis is what was happening. So the bones were growing and pushing on the nerves. I mean, I would get up in the morning and be fucking holding my wall to get to the bathroom, but, uh.

• 2:29:09Joe Rogan?

  And still rolling, you son of a bitch.

• 2:29:11Speaker 08

  You know, still rolling.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Now dumb GJ's in eyes on. You feel better when you're doing that.

• 2:29:17Speaker 08

  Forty years old, always this ailment.

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  Always hurt. The back shit's the worst, man. I had to get an epidural shot.

• 2:29:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember.

• 2:29:23Speaker 01

  When I blew my back out.

• 2:29:23Speaker 03

  I tried, I was trying those for the sciatica.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  When you fought GSP the second time, your back was fucked.

• 2:29:28Speaker 01

  It was back, in January, New Year's Eve, I couldn't, I could hardly walk. But, uh, and then I got a, Dr. Yasha, one of my black belts, he, I went to the city, got the, an epidural shot.

• 2:29:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:29:40Speaker 01

  And that fucking started to bring me back.

• 2:29:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I, I literally couldn't walk, dude. When I would go to brush my teeth, I couldn't posture myself back up.

• 2:29:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was fucked up, man.

• 2:29:51Speaker 01

  It is the worst thing ever.

• 2:29:52Joe Rogan?

  And to think about that and then knowing that you have a cage fight coming up against a guy who's the best wrestler in the division.

• 2:29:58Speaker 03

  That's what I said. How do you fight that motherfucker with a bad back?

• 2:30:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, well shit, you sort of rematch. The first one's way better.

• 2:30:07Speaker 01

  Ah shit, but, uh, yeah, man.

• 2:30:09Joe Rogan?

  There's stuff that you can do for your back, but man, it takes a long ass time to heal back injuries naturally.

• 2:30:15Speaker 03

  What's, what's going on with yours, you were saying?

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Mine's a lot better now, man. And one of the things that I made sure I did this year is I do, twice a week, I do lower back exercises. Like core exercises with twists and turn, lifting, like do back extensions with weights. That changed everything.

• 2:30:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do, I do hypers and the reverse hyper machine for my lower back.

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  I do that too, yeah. It used to bother me when I'd play pool, I'd be done, I'd be like, I'm real stiff and that completely went away.

• 2:30:42Speaker 03

  Good.

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  And really what it all fucked up was from archery. Cause you know, you pull one way all the time and this side started getting this. It's almost like a tendonitis. No, no, no. I just ignored it and beat it into the ground. And even though I was in pain, I still kept shooting while I was in pain. So I fucked it up for months. Now I draw, I have a cable pulley system at my gym. So I hold a 10 pound weight and then I draw 80 pounds like I'm pulling a bow and I pretend I'm shooting a bow. So I do that for as many reps as I shoot arrows. I do that with my left side. So I'm more balanced now and then the lower back exercises. But fuck, it takes forever to not, if you don't, if you want to really heal something and really get it better and not get surgery, it takes forever.

• 2:31:27Speaker 01

  Let me ask you, with the bow hunting, why, what do you got against the gun? What makes you want to, is it more primitive? Is it more primal?

• 2:31:36Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely harder.

• 2:31:37Speaker 01

  It's more. Oh, that for sure.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  It's more difficult for sure and it requires more concentration and it's much easier to fuck up. And that's why I like it.

• 2:31:49Speaker 01

  Oh, it's harder.

• 2:31:49Speaker 08

  But is it more satisfying?

• 2:31:50Joe Rogan?

  I got it to the animals too. Can't compare. I've shot a lot of animals with a rifle hunting and it's great. It's very effective. It's real smart. It's a good way to hunt. If you're hunting for food, like if I had to provide food for my family, I would 100% be hunting with a rifle. 100%. No questions asked if that's what I'm doing. But what I'm doing is I'm trying to get meat with my hobby. So my hobby is archery and it's, it's like, calling it a hobby is like a little disrespectful. It's almost, it sounds very corny, but it's almost like a spiritual journey. Like you're going to the woods and you're sneaking up. I'm doing it with a guide where there's a good friend of mine

• 2:32:30Joe Rogan?

  and we go together and we're sneaking up on these animals that are trying to avoid mountain lions and bears. And you're getting within archery range of them and just launching a perfect arrow. And that's how you're getting your food. So every time you eat your food, it's the best food in the world, but you're also thinking how you got it. Like you worked hard for a whole year to prepare for it. You trained for it. I do cardio for it. I do weighted, I carry a weighted backpack. I put this fucking 45 pound plate on my back and I walk around for hours. I do a bunch of shit with these, these different exercises just for hunting training.

• 2:33:08Speaker 08

  Well, how, how much is, how close is archery range? Like how close you had to get to them?

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  I'm comfortable any, anything inside seventy yards. If, if I don't think the animal's like moving a lot. So if an animal's moving a lot, like in the rut, sometimes they're fighting other males. So they'll run at each other and they'll come back and like, then you can't take a shot like that because they're not gonna be there when you shoot the, they're moving so fast. It's not ethical. With a rifle, you could. With a rifle, you just need them to stop for a second. Just stop for a second, ba-boom, and you got them.

• 2:33:40Speaker 01

  Did you ever shoot them but miss the kill shot? You gotta go over to it and, "Stahh, cut in his throat."

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  No, I never had to do that.

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  I mean, it's a horrible thing to think of.

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  You hit them with a second arrow. You know, even if, even if you hit them perfectly, and I've hit an elk perfectly before. They don't, if they don't go down, they're standing there. If they're, as long as they're standing, you hit them with another arrow.

• 2:34:02Speaker 01

  And that usually takes them out.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you wanna do it as quickly as possible.

• 2:34:06Speaker 03

  You got one, not enough, now you gotta track them down and get them.

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  They're so tough. You, you'll, you'll track them and you're like, this is so much blood, there's no way, this thing's not gonna be dead five feet from here. And then you'll find them eight hundred yards away, dead.

• 2:34:20Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:34:20Joe Rogan?

  They're so tough. Because you're, you're dealing with an animal that's, like, every day is mountain lion season. Every day, there's mountain lions just sneaking up on them everywhere. You know, and the, you know, if they make it to be seven, eight years old, which is when I started hunting them. Like, these motherfuckers.

• 2:34:39Speaker 03

  They're gangsters.

• 2:34:40Joe Rogan?

  They're gangsters. They're wise. Some of them have one eye. Cause they got their eye poked out by another dude, cause they get those antlers jabbing each other's faces.

• 2:34:48Speaker 01

  My favorite meat is the, uh, the venison. Oh my god.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Have you had elk meat? Have you had any?

• 2:34:55Speaker 01

  I don't think so, no.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  God, I wish, I wish you lived here, I'd give you some.

• 2:34:59Speaker 01

  My, my father-in-law, he gave me, they say it's gamey.

• 2:35:02Joe Rogan?

  Frozen stare. I have frozen elk out there right now. If I had a freezer box, I could give you one.

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  Shit, man. I mean, my, cause they say that the venison, they say it's gamey or something, dude, not the way, he makes it like a chicken cutlet.

• 2:35:13Speaker 03

  He, he.

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  It's all on how you.

• 2:35:15Speaker 01

  So fucking good.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  It's all on taking proper care of it once you shoot it. If you let the animal like lay out in the heat, or if the meat gets dirty, or if you accidentally cut the glands, they have these tarsal glands on their legs, that's a nasty smell that they're putting out, so that the ladies hear it, and the ladies smell it rather, and the other men know that they're there. If that stuff gets on your meat, you're fucked. Like, there's a lot of it is like, bad preparation, bad care, but if you take care of venison and do it well, it's the best meat. Delicious.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  So delicious, man. I, I, I love that shit. I don't have it often, but when I do, it's my favorite, man.

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  The UFC PI should be serving that shit. I bet they serve like buffalo, though, which is also really good.

• 2:35:57Speaker 01

  How's horse meat? You ever try that?

• 2:35:58Joe Rogan?

  I did try that.

• 2:35:59Speaker 01

  How is it? Paco Tate, love that shit.

• 2:36:00Speaker 08

  Yeah, remember that?

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  I tried it in Montreal. In Montreal, there's a place called Joe Beef. Shout out to Joe Beef. One of my favorite restaurants in the world. It's incredible restaurant.

• 2:36:09Speaker 08

  I went there.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Um, it's, it's fucking great.

• 2:36:12Speaker 01

  It's, what, does it make you feel powerful? How does it taste?

• 2:36:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, I didn't ask for it. Let me just say that. They served it to us. They, it was like, the, the guys who run it are awesome, we know them. I knew, I met them through Bourdain, and so they just, uh, served us whatever they wanted to serve us. And one of the things they gave us was, it was like, uh, a loin of, uh, horse. And I was like, really? Like, this is like tenderloin? Like, horse tenderloin? And it was really good. It tasted like game meat.

• 2:36:39Speaker 08

  I actually went to Joe Beef with, uh, Vitor Belfer and Sean Brady.

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:36:44Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:36:46Speaker 08

  Yeah, it was a good restaurant.

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  That's cool. That's cool.

• 2:36:49Speaker 01

  Fogo de chão last night. Shh. Just fucking. Wearing it out. Yeah, man. With the dark lord, John Danaher.

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how's he doing?

• 2:36:56Speaker 01

  He's doing good. He's good. He wasn't in a rash guard, he was wearing a jersey. Yeah, he actually had a jersey on, yeah. When he walked up, I was like, what the hell? And he's walking very nice. That's right, his hips are healing up. He was fucked up for a while.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  So, did he get both of his hips replaced now?

• 2:37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:11Joe Rogan?

  Has always gotten out?

• 2:37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's teaching over at Gordon Ryan's place. He said he's like two, three months out of his second hip surgery. He looks good.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  You makes you wonder, like a guy who's that smart and that driven towards jujitsu, like what would happen if he didn't have a crippled body?

• 2:37:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I know.

• 2:37:26Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:37:27Speaker 01

  Well, even with a crippled body, when he was rolling.

• 2:37:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, he used to fuck people up.

• 2:37:30Joe Rogan?

  I know, isn't that crazy? Like blown apart knee, you know, reconstructed to the point where it doesn't even like fully extend, right? Has to get, what, what, what has he gotten replaced so far?

• 2:37:40Speaker 03

  I mean, I know both hips. Did he get a knee too?

• 2:37:43Speaker 01

  He might have got his knee.

• 2:37:44Speaker 03

  Cause he said after the hip damages knee so bad that he thought he's gonna have to get the knee done too.

• 2:37:49Speaker 01

  He's walking great though, I was so happy.

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, he looked good.

• 2:37:51Speaker 01

  I'm like, man.

• 2:37:52Speaker 03

  Looked good, it's always good to see him.

• 2:37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's my thing now, I get to see him when I come out.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, your knee doesn't fuck with you, right?

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  My left knee, no, but I fucking, the one thing that really is, if I could just, it just haunts me is cause I fucked up where you're supposed to step down with your bad leg when you get the surgery. I went up, I went to put up my curtain.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:13Speaker 01

  I stepped down and if you see, I'll show you here.

• 2:38:19Speaker 01

  Is something just missing here?

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:20Speaker 01

  Ooh, damn. My bicep, I tore my, oh man.

• 2:38:25Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 2:38:27Joe Rogan?

  And it's fucked now?

• 2:38:28Speaker 01

  When I, sometimes I'll, it'll dip, like I, you know, so it, it sucks. Well, I went to go butterfly sweep, I felt it get real tight. So I got the stem cells shot right in that bitch. That's the only one that hurt, cause they said they had nowhere to go.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  But they can't reattach it?

• 2:38:42Speaker 01

  I would have done that earlier, I didn't even know I did it. So I went back to PT the next day.

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:38:46Speaker 01

  And then, and I was dealing, I didn't want to go through another fucking surgery, I just got a new knee. So man, the knee itself dude, titanium. Adenamium, whatever the Wolverine's called.

• 2:38:57Joe Rogan?

  The knee's not bothering you at all?

• 2:38:59Speaker 01

  But I could block, I'll block a kick with that, I feel great with it. And I'm rolling, I'm flexible, but I just, I got, I fucked up that, it's a little, it's, it's a little weak. You know, it's a little compromised.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Is there anything you can do, like with late weights?

• 2:39:11Speaker 01

  I, I'm doing, I'm doing squats, I'm doing my regular squats, I gotta do, I have to do more with the weights. But uh.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm thinking of like, single leg lunges, you know, like with that leg.

• 2:39:20Speaker 03

  What do they call them, Bulgarians squats? I'll, I'll hold like a hundred pound kettlebell and do them one leggers.

• 2:39:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:39:26Speaker 01

  It's noticeably weaker, so I, I just gotta do something with that. But besides that, the knee itself, I just wish I didn't do that, cause I hear about um, bisping and running still.

• 2:39:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:35Speaker 01

  I can't, if I run this fuck, I could dip with this.

• 2:39:37Speaker 03

  He's out of his mind.

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  The running thing is weird because it's like, how much time do you have on those knees?

• 2:39:42Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:39:43Joe Rogan?

  Like you kinda have to be.

• 2:39:44Speaker 03

  And you gotta get them fixed again.

• 2:39:46Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, can they do that? Can they chop the fucking thing off and put a new one in and unscrew it?

• 2:39:50Speaker 01

  I'm not looking for a fight now.

• 2:39:52Speaker 08

  That is too much.

• 2:39:52Speaker 01

  I'm holding off on my right one for as long as I can.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Is your right one still fucked?

• 2:39:56Speaker 01

  My right one, I just got shot some stem cells in there, but yeah, if I'm walking too much, I'll feel that bitch.

• 2:40:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:02Speaker 01

  I mean, they're both just severely, they, not my left now, it's new, but then it's just fucking arthritis, man. Fuck, it is like an old man, but the arthritis, oh, I arthritis.

• 2:40:11Joe Rogan?

  But it's jiu jitsu.

• 2:40:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I know also to get to 55, I used to just fucking have to run in the morning for 45 minutes. Low intensity, but just still, I was on a treadmill, just fucking on enduro rush, fucking just running. So I must have wore that shit down, man.

• 2:40:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure, but that's what Bisping says, is always running.

• 2:40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  He ran a lot on the streets too, you know, which I'm sure is a lot of extra pounding.

• 2:40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's no good. I can't do that. Yeah, he's still doing it though. He's fucking great.

• 2:40:37Speaker 08

  He's out of his running.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  All I do now is jiu jitsu.

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  I think he's doing better now luckily because for a long time, his neck was fucking with him so bad, he could barely get out of bed.

• 2:40:46Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  And his body.

• 2:40:47Speaker 08

  Yeah, I remember he had surgery and like a week later, he was right back on the, on the call. Right back comment. I was like, damn.

• 2:40:53Speaker 03

  Gotta be careful with your neck too. Like that's where the spinal cord is. Like it only, I didn't, I thought your spinal cord went all the way through your back till I had my back surgery, you know, but it doesn't. It comes down like maybe halfway. And so that's why when you have your neck impingements cause a lot of those fucking problems.

• 2:41:09Joe Rogan?

  That's why that Ernesto Houst neck kick is so effective. You know, when Houst used to. Oh, Houst kicked so many people in the neck, just wow.

• 2:41:19Speaker 03

  He was a sad.

• 2:41:19Speaker 08

  He was always one of my favorite guys to watch.

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  Mr. Perfect.

• 2:41:22Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:41:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, one of the most beautiful kickboxers of all time, like just the, the combinations he would throw, pop, pop, left hook to the body, right low kick, wow.

• 2:41:30Speaker 03

  And they ruined them with Bob Sapp.

• 2:41:32Joe Rogan?

  I know, isn't that crazy?

• 2:41:33Speaker 01

  Beat him twice.

• 2:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Beat him twice.

• 2:41:36Speaker 03

  Two times.

• 2:41:37Speaker 08

  Yeah, that always baffled me how Bob Sapp beat that guy.

• 2:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what it is, like, this is one of the reasons why Ernesto wasn't like the best candidate for kickboxing to enter into MMA. Because he was like smooth and super technical and very fast, but not explosive, right? Not like, like just would launch himself, but Cro Cop was. Yeah. When Cro Cop fought Bob Sapp, Cro Cop fucked Bob Sapp up. Because Cro Cop would just blast on you. Yeah. Like, full power, full blast on you. It's like, it was a different kind of thing that he would do. And that's why he was so effective in MMA. Like, when he went over to MMA, like, all of a sudden, he's this fast, powerful striker. It's not like a boxer who's gonna move around a little bit and pick you apart for a few rounds. Styles matter. Matters a lot.

• 2:42:23Speaker 01

  I wish he would have been in the UFC in his prime.

• 2:42:26Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:42:27Speaker 01

  He got over a little late.

• 2:42:28Speaker 03

  He had pretty good takedown defense, too. He was able to kept good range. He would frame guys off and everything. Yeah, he was, I mean, and we all know about his, what was it? Left cook, left kick cemetery?

• 2:42:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right kick hospital, left kick cemetery, bro. He fought Heath Herring, and there's a, there's a shot of him throwing this low kick, or this body kick, deep into Heath Herring's cage. Like, his whole rib cage is just collapsed, and you just see Cro Cop's shin, like, basically touching his liver. It's insane. It's so deep that you, it's, it's one of the most painful pictures you see from an MMA fight.

• 2:43:04Speaker 03

  Herring, remember that dude kissed him before he fight?

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he came, he came with one shot, yeah, in pride.

• 2:43:11Speaker 01

  Listen, man, you get.

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's the one in the upper left hand side. The second one, upper, that one right there.

• 2:43:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:18Joe Rogan?

  That one. Look at that. Ooh, concave. Bro.

• 2:43:23Speaker 03

  Gotta be some broken.

• 2:43:24Joe Rogan?

  And when you know how powerful Cro Cop's kicks are, and then you think about eating that on the ribs like that. Oh, my god, that is. It's like it's folding around his leg. Yeah, I mean, that's another one that he landed on, that's Josh, that's Josh Barnett. Bro, the power that that dude had, and how about the one that he landed on Vanderlay, when he flatlined Vanderlay?

• 2:43:44Speaker 03

  Dude, he had some wheels on him, his legs big.

• 2:43:46Joe Rogan?

  And power. It's just, the difference was, like, when he was throwing kicks at you, he was 100% gas. He was not feeling you out. He was trying to, like, let you know, motherfucker, there's some darkness behind the shins. You will see darkness, and then you have a flashlight in your face. And they'll be like, you okay? Stay put, stay put, you're gonna be okay. But then Gonzaga did that to him.

• 2:44:11Speaker 08

  Oh, remember?

• 2:44:12Speaker 01

  I was there for that.

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  He rolled over his ankle.

• 2:44:14Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:44:15Joe Rogan?

  Remember that, man? His ankle just popped out back in.

• 2:44:17Speaker 08

  Forever be known as the crow cop. Whenever you see that happen, you always think back when it happened.

• 2:44:21Speaker 01

  That was in London.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:22Speaker 01

  We were there for that.

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:23Speaker 01

  I had to, that's right after I got the belt. And I remember me, you and Eddie went out and got some pasta.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 2:44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's so funny.

• 2:44:30Joe Rogan?

  That was crazy. Gonzaga, people forgot about Gonzaga.

• 2:44:33Speaker 08

  I know.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  You know? That was a big win, man. Holy shit.

• 2:44:36Speaker 08

  Huge.

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  He's a big fucking dude. Big natural dude. The heavyweight division right now is so shallow in the UFC. It's so shallow. It's like without, you know.

• 2:44:45Speaker 08

  I just think they're all playing football and basketball, you know?

• 2:44:48Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Yeah.

• 2:44:50Speaker 01

  What about Johnny? What's Johnny? I hate to say.

• 2:44:52Speaker 08

  Walter Walker.

• 2:44:53Speaker 01

  Walter Walker. What about him taking leg locks at everybody?

• 2:44:56Speaker 08

  Yeah, I know. Like three in a row.

• 2:44:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:58Joe Rogan?

  He's good.

• 2:44:59Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  Looks good. Yeah, I mean, we need more of that. We need someone to, like, if Aspinall's gonna have, uh, he's got Cyril Gahn, right? So that's an interesting fight. And then who?

• 2:45:10Speaker 08

  There's no one after that.

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  Derrick Lewis, just on name.

• 2:45:14Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Derrick would be fun.

• 2:45:16Speaker 01

  By the way, Cyril Gahn didn't have a bad movie. Not to keep bringing up movies, but I love movies. But he had a fucking KO with Cyril Gahn.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 2:45:23Speaker 01

  It's a movie on Netflix. He has his own movie. It's an action star.

• 2:45:27Joe Rogan?

  He's the star of the movie?

• 2:45:28Speaker 01

  He's the star of it. And you might be thinking, all right, how's his acting? Wasn't bad.

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  Fucking, he's the, the new action Jackson. I'm only fucking.

• 2:45:37Joe Rogan?

  Cyril Gahn's speaking in English.

• 2:45:40Speaker 08

  I do remember that.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  Is it in English?

• 2:45:42Speaker 01

  It's, uh, it's dubbed in English. But it's a French, it's a French film.

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  So how do you know if he's any good?

• 2:45:47Speaker 01

  Well, well, I mean, I watched it.

• 2:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I'm saying, it's like, it's not even his voice.

• 2:45:52Speaker 01

  Well, you could see him.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  You say his acting is really good, but like it's some other dude's voice. That's kind of crazy.

• 2:45:57Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it's.

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Cyril Gahn's just not.

• 2:45:59Speaker 01

  You don't gotta hear his.

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  It's called KO.

• 2:46:01Speaker 01

  It's called KO, but it's not bad. And there he is.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Hey, listen, you know, it's not the best sign when a fighter starts starring in movies. Yeah, you're right.

• 2:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Is this new? Is this new? Yes, this is new. Yeah. Everybody watch it. I don't like it for him and his chances against Tom Espinola.

• 2:46:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying. You better be training.

• 2:46:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that, if there's a world that can soften you, it's the world of acting. It's a weird thing, man. I mean, acting and music kills fighters. There's also a thing, like, once you become a movie star, like, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to go well. Like, remember Tommy Morrison when he fought Ray Mercer? Oh, yeah. Right after Rocky?

• 2:46:45Speaker 03

  Oh, that was a horrible knockout, man.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  He beat him down. Ray Mercer had him tangled in the ropes.

• 2:46:50Speaker 03

  And Rob's punching him, Jesus.

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Blasting away, boom. Didn't Ray Mercer knock out Tim Sylvia also? Yeah. He did. Yeah, one punch. That was great. One punch. Ray Mercer, man. And he did that, he was like forty-six.

• 2:47:04Speaker 03

  Remember when he, uh, who the hell did he fight in, uh, it was like K-1 or Pride, and they kicked him, and he just left the ring? It was Ray Mercer.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:47:16Speaker 03

  So I threw a head kick, he looked at him like he's speaking a foreign language, and he fucking just left.

• 2:47:20Joe Rogan?

  Really? Are you sure that was Mercer?

• 2:47:22Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  It's much.

• 2:47:26Speaker 03

  Can we find that?

• 2:47:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I mean, I... I think one of the most interesting boxers that entered into MMA, or entered into kickboxing, was when Masato fought, uh...

• 2:47:38Speaker 03

  Both of...

• 2:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Cool Vince. Oh, yeah. Vince Phillips.

• 2:47:40Speaker 03

  Vince Phillips.

• 2:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:47:42Speaker 03

  Vince Phillips did alright.

• 2:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What are you talking about? He couldn't do with them leg kicks, though. Yeah. Couldn't deal with the leg kicks. Chopped apart with those leg kicks. That's what's interesting, when you watch a boxer who goes over there and is like, "Oh, shit, like, what is this?" They never got kicked in the leg before?

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  You remember Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson? That's right, same thing. Shannon was on the podcast, he was telling me about it. Oh, yeah? He's like, "Champ, every time he hit me, champ." I was like, "Oh, don't let him kick me again, I gotta quit." How did that go? He knocked him out. Shannon knocked him out, because Shannon hit him with a jab to the body, so...

• 2:48:12Speaker 03

  Uh-oh, here's Ray Mercer and Tim Sylvia.

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  So what happened was, Tim was not supposed to kick. They only had this authorized as a fight, but since it was like, you know, an MMA fight, there were supposed to be a boxing match. One, one shot. So what it was was, it was supposed to be a boxing match, they couldn't get authorized for it to be a boxing match because Tim Sylvia did not have a boxing record.

• 2:48:35Speaker 08

  Right.

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  And so you can't fight a former world champion and you've had not, no boxing record. But, you could fight him in MMA, it's a world champion versus a world champion. He knows that boxing is a sport that's in MMA, you could do that. And so they made an agreement, okay, don't kick me. And I'll fight you in the cage. And then Tim opens up with an inside low kick.

• 2:48:53Speaker 08

  No.

• 2:48:54Joe Rogan?

  And that's why Ray Mercer, you see like he drops his hands.

• 2:48:56Speaker 08

  Yeah, like, what are you doing? That makes a lot of sense.

• 2:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Because they was, the original fight they were contracted for was a boxing match.

• 2:49:02Speaker 08

  Right.

• 2:49:03Joe Rogan?

  And Tim's like, once I got you in here, I'm gonna kick your fucking legs.

• 2:49:06Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  And then Ray.

• 2:49:07Speaker 08

  That's kind of a cheap shot, though. If you make an agreement about that, that's a cheap shot, yeah.

• 2:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, play it again. Because when you see when Ray gets that inside low kick, he drops his hands, he's got this look in his face like, what the fuck is this? So watch, he steps out, watch this, throws the kick.

• 2:49:23Speaker 08

  Bro. He's like, bro, what's this, yeah?

• 2:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I can't believe this shit.

• 2:49:28Speaker 08

  I love you, young man.

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Timber.

• 2:49:32Speaker 08

  Timber.

• 2:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Out cold. Ray Mercer.

• 2:49:35Speaker 08

  Good for him.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  I mean.

• 2:49:37Speaker 08

  Oh, man.

• 2:49:38Joe Rogan?

  Ray Mercer could fucking punch, son.

• 2:49:40Speaker 08

  Into the shot, too.

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 2:49:44Speaker 08

  About to get full mouth right there.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of amazing how few boxers have actually entered into MMA. Not, you know, this was like, he got tricked into this one, but. It's only like James Tony.

• 2:49:53Speaker 08

  You would think more would, too, right?

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I guess not, if you see those Usik paychecks.

• 2:50:00Speaker 08

  Yeah, but how many guys get there? Like, think of, you know, relatively speaking.

• 2:50:05Joe Rogan?

  Like Spence and Crawford, man, that was like, a big fight.

• 2:50:07Speaker 08

  I mean, they probably still made a lot, a couple, you know, a gang of millions.

• 2:50:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:11Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm guessing in the single-digit millions, though, not fucking hundreds of millions.

• 2:50:16Joe Rogan?

  I bet it's disclosed. See if you can find out what the purse was, Jamie.

• 2:50:20Speaker 08

  We need the next Art Jimmison in here.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:50:23Speaker 04

  Maybe 25 mil?

• 2:50:25Speaker 08

  25 mil?

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  25 mil each?

• 2:50:26Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 2:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:50:27Speaker 04

  At least 25 mil for their fight, doesn't it?

• 2:50:29Speaker 08

  But even still, like, it's such a small population of boxers to make that, as we said.

• 2:50:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:50:33Speaker 08

  So you would think that more would go, you know what? I probably got, not gonna make 25 mil. I'm not good enough to make that. But I'm good enough to maybe go to MMA and make.

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:43Speaker 08

  A hundred grand, two hundred grand.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  They gotta sit there and learned all, how many other skill sets though? That's true, but if you're a guy like Crawford who started out as a wrestler. Well, they, yeah, that's, that's. That much.

• 2:50:52Speaker 03

  And there are some of them, I think like the Citron brothers, right? One of them was a wrestler too, I thought.

• 2:50:58Speaker 08

  Yeah, Kermit Centron?

• 2:50:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:50:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:00Speaker 04

  I was digging through a boxing forum, they didn't believe the Usik payout numbers.

• 2:51:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they didn't believe it? They think it's bullshit?

• 2:51:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't understand how they can do that. Unless you're just lighting money on fire.

• 2:51:09Speaker 08

  Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  You mean about the Usik numbers?

• 2:51:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, the payout.

• 2:51:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:51:12Speaker 04

  Yep. No one believes it.

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, but that's just because they're haters.

• 2:51:16Speaker 04

  I mean, there's no, no one proved it.

• 2:51:18Joe Rogan?

  No one proved it?

• 2:51:19Speaker 04

  It's two hundred million dollars, it wasn't on pay-per-view, there's no, like, unless someone just gave him the money.

• 2:51:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, unless you let that money on fire.

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing, those Saudis are, are known to do that.

• 2:51:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're.

• 2:51:31Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look what they did with that live golf tournament.

• 2:51:33Speaker 03

  Oh, I know, yeah.

• 2:51:34Joe Rogan?

  They just bought the tournament, and if they did that with basketball or with anything else, they have enough money to do that with basically all sports.

• 2:51:41Speaker 04

  Supposedly they did it with the Jon Jones fight.

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Uh, so Jon Jones asked Usik for thirty million dollars to fight Tom Aspinall, then pulled out two days after they agreed. He didn't think it would come up with the number, and they did. Saudi Arabia was involved, he was hoping they wouldn't meet the number.

• 2:51:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, literally just saw that this morning.

• 2:51:56Speaker 04

  Ariel Juan.

• 2:51:57Speaker 03

  That's what Ariel said, yeah.

• 2:51:58Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. I wonder if, where he's getting his information, that's interesting.

• 2:52:02Speaker 03

  He, he said earlier in the thing that he priced himself out of the Nganu fight, and he thought that that strategy would work again, but apparently they met the thirty million, and then Jon, couple days later, did the retirement thing and said he wasn't gonna fight.

• 2:52:16Joe Rogan?

  Why the fuck would he even wanna do that then?

• 2:52:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm with you.

• 2:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, guy, listen, it's a dangerous fight. That Aspinall dude is a real, he's a real heavyweight.

• 2:52:25Speaker 03

  Thirty fucking million though?

• 2:52:27Speaker 08

  Yeah. I'll take the L for thirty million.

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he doesn't want the L, here's the thing, it's like, the real thing is Jon's rich right now, right? He's already a millionaire. So, like, what is he gonna, what's that extra, it's gonna be nice to have an extra thirty, but the reality is he's rich right now. He probably doesn't have to work for the rest of his life if he doesn't do anything crazy.

• 2:52:43Speaker 03

  And he still makes money doing his appearances and whatever else he's into.

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  And he doesn't have to take that ass kicking. Not saying that he would, but if you wanted to look at it from that perspective, like if it's a tough fight, he's been through wars, the Gustafson fights, all those, they all take something out of you.

• 2:52:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:52:58Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta know when you don't want to do that anymore. And if that's where he's at right now, I hope he stays retired. But then he jumped right back in and said he wants to fight at the White House.

• 2:53:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:53:08Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, it's so hard for those guys to let it go. When they do let it go, it's, it's difficult to figure out who you are.

• 2:53:15Speaker 03

  Man, we gotta see where that train's gonna go off the tracks when he's not fighting.

• 2:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Train kept rolling all night long. It's like an Aerosmith song, son. I mean, guy's an all-time great, though. I mean, if not the all-time great.

• 2:53:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think so.

• 2:53:31Speaker 01

  Really good lately, and I, I, I, it's, I'm forget, I forgot who he's gonna be fighting, but Dominic Reyes is.

• 2:53:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:53:39Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 2:53:39Speaker 01

  Carlos Olberg.

• 2:53:41Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 2:53:41Speaker 01

  Oh, he's like, that's it, Carlos Olberg, yeah.

• 2:53:43Speaker 03

  That should be a good one.

• 2:53:44Speaker 01

  In Australia.

• 2:53:44Joe Rogan?

  That's a real, that's a real good one. Olberg's legit. Olberg's fast.

• 2:53:49Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:53:50Joe Rogan?

  That's it's fast.

• 2:53:51Speaker 01

  He might be faster than, than Dominic Reyes.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you what, man, I re-watched Dominic Reyes, John Jones, and I could see Dominic Reyes winning that decision.

• 2:53:58Speaker 01

  That was, that was a tough call.

• 2:54:00Joe Rogan?

  It's a close fight. I mean, I'm not saying I, I sat down and scored it, but I'm like, okay. I could see the argument.

• 2:54:08Speaker 03

  I wanna know, I wanna know John's story. How much coke did he do the week of the fight? You know what I mean? Like, what, how about when he told DC that? Like, did I think you when I was on cocaine? Like, that's gotta be the coldest thing to ever say, right?

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, they say there's nine years that a fighter can fight at his very best. It's most, for most athletes, and I think they did this, someone was explaining this to me, they think they did this based on tennis. Because tennis is all about like fast twitch and movement and the ability to explode back and forth, and they're not taking any damage. And you could kind of keep your level going at the highest level for about nine years. And then everything just slows down a little bit. It's just too many micro injuries.

• 2:54:51Speaker 01

  I mean, the training for these things, that's the biggest thing is the camps, especially as you get older, fuck. You know, getting there in one piece is just, it's just fucking rough. If you want to, if you want to just check all the boxes getting ready for these fucking things.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and when guys get to be like thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine.

• 2:55:10Speaker 08

  It's so hard to predict them to show up to fight.

• 2:55:12Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:55:13Speaker 08

  I gotta make predictions, I'm like, well, they're thirty eight, uh, now.

• 2:55:17Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you what, dude, I'm not counting out Cannonier anymore. After he beat Gregory Rodriguez, I was like, god damn.

• 2:55:24Speaker 03

  Put it on him too.

• 2:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Put it on him, and Gregory tried to take him out in that first round, man, he, he went all gas.

• 2:55:31Speaker 01

  Gregory's a beast too, Robocop, he just came back and knocked out the Joker, fucking Hermanson. And that was brutal.

• 2:55:37Joe Rogan?

  That was a bad one.

• 2:55:38Speaker 08

  Yeah, I think Gregory Rodriguez would be the biggest threat to Ryan or DeRitter. Oh, that's interesting. Cause it's just like when you think about styles, like just the biggest, I think he would knock Ryan DeRitter's head off.

• 2:55:50Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 2:55:51Joe Rogan?

  His striking's terrifying. DeRitter's got that knee to the body that is so interesting, the way he fucking forces you to clinch. And then blast that knee to the body.

• 2:56:00Speaker 08

  It's tricky, it's tricky.

• 2:56:01Joe Rogan?

  So good in the, in the entrance with that knee to the body. And when he did that over and over and over again, I was like, wow.

• 2:56:08Speaker 01

  Pay for it one time with that overhand.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:56:11Speaker 01

  And that's where Rodriguez would be fucking, yeah. Throw that knee and fucking Robocop had the thing that locked on his jaw. But, uh, perfect nickname for him too, Robocop, he looks like him.

• 2:56:23Speaker 03

  He does look like him.

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  That's a fight, right, DeRitter and Robocop's a fight.

• 2:56:27Speaker 08

  That'd be a crazy fight, yeah.

• 2:56:28Joe Rogan?

  That's a good one, that's a real good one.

• 2:56:30Speaker 01

  I'm impressed with his jiu jitsu, that DeRiddler, man. Am I saying his name right?

• 2:56:33Speaker 08

  DeRiddler.

• 2:56:34Speaker 01

  It's the Riddler. Everything goes back to comics, but man, he's.

• 2:56:37Joe Rogan?

  So big.

• 2:56:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:38Joe Rogan?

  He's so big for eighty five.

• 2:56:40Speaker 08

  But so is Robocop.

• 2:56:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 2:56:42Speaker 01

  The way he handled Bo Nickel, he made the Bo Nickel small.

• 2:56:45Speaker 03

  I thought that was a horrible matchup for Bo Nickel.

• 2:56:48Joe Rogan?

  But it was a lot of those knees to the body, those knees to the body were nasty, man. He was so good at it.

• 2:56:55Joe Rogan?

  He was so good at throwing that knee to the body.

• 2:56:57Speaker 01

  He's very calm, too.

• 2:56:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, he's been through it, man. I mean, we haven't seen him, but over in One F C, there it is. That knee to the body is so nasty. It's so nice. It's so nice.

• 2:57:08Speaker 01

  And he took one, and he took a punch for it, too. It doesn't ma- oh, my. That sucks.

• 2:57:13Joe Rogan?

  And on the ground, he's a monster.

• 2:57:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57:14Joe Rogan?

  What he did to Kevin Holland, I was like, whoa, okay.

• 2:57:17Speaker 01

  Jiu Jitsu's on point, man.

• 2:57:18Joe Rogan?

  So that's another eighty-fiver. I mean, think about that division. You got Fluffy, who just like has his breakout performances last weekend. You got, you know, the whole division.

• 2:57:27Speaker 01

  Fluffy's funny.

• 2:57:28Speaker 08

  Hey, what about that African dude?

• 2:57:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:57:31Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 2:57:32Speaker 08

  I'm scared of him.

• 2:57:32Joe Rogan?

  He might be the one.

• 2:57:34Speaker 08

  Like, of all the dudes? He, you know, it's like, you know what I'm talking about?

• 2:57:38Joe Rogan?

  One eighty-five?

• 2:57:38Speaker 08

  Yo, he, but he's fast.

• 2:57:40Speaker 01

  Does anybody know the African dude's name?

• 2:57:42Speaker 08

  Attier, something like that.

• 2:57:44Joe Rogan?

  Ooh. Is it Gutié?

• 2:57:46Speaker 08

  Gutié, Attier. It's a, you know, it's like a weird.

• 2:57:49Joe Rogan?

  Attaba Gutié?

• 2:57:50Speaker 08

  Yeah, Attaba Gutié, yeah, yeah, that's, sounds more like it.

• 2:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Am I saying that right, Jamie?

• 2:57:57Joe Rogan?

  She's looking for verification. He's from Cameroon as well, right?

• 2:58:00Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:58:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's scary. He's real scary. There's, there's dudes that just, God just gave him an extra little, extra little.

• 2:58:09Speaker 08

  He gave him more than an extra little, because I was, you know, Kade's side, man, we watching these dudes, and he's punching this guy like in the back, and the guy's like going.

• 2:58:18Joe Rogan?

  There he is.

• 2:58:19Speaker 08

  Attaba Gutié, yeah.

• 2:58:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he's like six-four, one eighty-five, doesn't have a ounce of body fat on him. I mean, look at that photo of him. Just look at that photo. That's crazy. You know, that's like one of those, the guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about photos?

• 2:58:37Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:58:39Joe Rogan?

  There's a few of those guys that just, they don't even look real. Rodolfo Viera, he's another one.

• 2:58:44Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:58:44Joe Rogan?

  You see him, you're like, how's that a real dude? So here he is, man. And this is in his last fight. I mean vicious power.

• 2:58:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:58:53Joe Rogan?

  Vicious power.

• 2:58:55Speaker 08

  Like that guy is just getting hit like, yo, somebody stop him.

• 2:58:59Speaker 01

  You were talking about the heavyweights, man. I was upset by Bushama, man.

• 2:59:03Speaker 08

  Oh, Buchecha?

• 2:59:03Speaker 03

  Buchecha.

• 2:59:04Joe Rogan?

  Bushama.

• 2:59:05Speaker 08

  Oh, Bushama.

• 2:59:06Speaker 03

  Steven Bushama.

• 2:59:07Speaker 08

  Oh, Steven Bushama. I've been watching.

• 2:59:09Joe Rogan?

  I was upset by Barata.

• 2:59:11Speaker 08

  Yeah. Yeah, he looked bad. Buchecha.

• 2:59:14Speaker 01

  Buchecha, man.

• 2:59:15Speaker 03

  He looked bad. Horrible cardio.

• 2:59:17Joe Rogan?

  How about they fucking got rid of the other dude?

• 2:59:19Speaker 08

  That's weird.

• 2:59:20Joe Rogan?

  They'll let him go. Like, you fucked up.

• 2:59:21Speaker 08

  I think, no, I think they're gonna re-sign him. I think it's just a matter of like, just like not having so many guys on a roster to have that burden to keep fighting him.

• 2:59:29Joe Rogan?

  Why? That doesn't make any sense. If the guy's on like a win streak. Guys on a win streak, you beat Buchecha.

• 2:59:33Speaker 08

  I think they're gonna re-sign him, though. It's just probably.

• 2:59:35Joe Rogan?

  What? So it's just like they didn't sign in time?

• 2:59:39Speaker 08

  Well, you know, it's like when they have so many guys on the roster, they have to promise them certain amount of fights. So.

• 2:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:59:45Speaker 08

  So it's like.

• 2:59:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they let guys go so they don't have to promise them fights?

• 2:59:48Speaker 08

  Yeah, so they don't have to promise them fights.

• 2:59:50Joe Rogan?

  Is this for sure?

• 2:59:50Speaker 08

  I'm just speculating, because that's why they did it.

• 2:59:53Speaker 03

  They gotta pay him if they don't.

• 2:59:54Speaker 08

  Yeah, because they still have to pay him anyway if they don't get him a certain amount of fights.

• 2:59:56Speaker 03

  Whether they fight or not.

• 2:59:57Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I mean, imagine you just fought your ass off, you beat Buchecha, and then they cut you, and you're like, what?

• 3:00:03Speaker 08

  I think, I think what they'll do is they're like, when they need him again, they'll just get him back.

• 3:00:07Speaker 03

  I was disappointed in how bad a shape he was in, cardio-wise.

• 3:00:12Speaker 01

  Well, he's, I think he banked on that single leg, which was getting taken away.

• 3:00:15Speaker 03

  You seen him fight that Rug Rug guy or whatever and won? That was a crazy fight, a crazy war. He took a lot of torture. Like, I was impressed. Because most jiu-jitsu guys, when they get hit like that, they're not out there for the fight. And then in this fight, didn't look anything like the guy that fought at one, and I thought he was gonna be better, you know, because he's training.

• 3:00:32Joe Rogan?

  Let me ask you this. What kind of drug testing you think they're doing over there?

• 3:00:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, yeah, come on, man, no.

• 3:00:38Speaker 08

  In one fucking nose.

• 3:00:40Joe Rogan?

  What kind of drug testing?

• 3:00:41Speaker 08

  Drug testing?

• 3:00:43Speaker 03

  You got a point.

• 3:00:44Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 3:00:45Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is, this is a problem with a lot of guys we got from Pride.

• 3:00:49Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 3:00:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, a guy, they come over with different physiques. They look different.

• 3:00:52Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:00:54Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 3:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Mude signs with Octagon MMA, faces off with heavyweight champ.

• 3:00:59Speaker 01

  Alright, well he's staying busy.

• 3:01:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, the guy's good, and we need good guys in the heavyweight division. There's just not a lot of people. I mean, the thing about it is, it's like, you gotta be exciting in that division in particular.

• 3:01:12Speaker 01

  We gotta be exciting, always.

• 3:01:14Joe Rogan?

  He looks horrible. I think if he was, looked more marketable, I bet you'd still have a contract. I know, but isn't there like something to a guy who looks like shit, fucks everybody up?

• 3:01:24Speaker 01

  There is something to that.

• 3:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Especially when the goal is to fuck somebody up. Look, when Fedor was in his prime, that was part of his charm. Part of his charm is he had a fucking little roll around his waist and his dead behind the eyes.

• 3:01:36Speaker 01

  Old man back and shit. How many guys didn't root for fucking Roy Nelson? I'm not saying he looked like shit, but he's like an everyday guy, knocking guys out, fucking, you know? People like the everyday guy.

• 3:01:48Joe Rogan?

  That power that Roy had was crazy. Like, he came over from jujitsu. Everybody knew he was a black belt in jujitsu, like, always competed in Abu Dhabi in the circuit. And all of a sudden, he's throwing a hammer.

• 3:01:59Speaker 01

  Boom, boom, he got this mullet and shit.

• 3:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Hammer. And takes, takes a shot better than any living human being that's ever lived. I mean, who took a shot better than Roy? He took some bombs, dude. That guy took some bombs and absorbed them.

• 3:02:13Speaker 01

  Nah, he was badass.

• 3:02:15Joe Rogan?

  And people loved watching him fight with that big belly. They loved, "Oh, that's me." Well, he played it up, too. That's me. Yeah, he'd rub his belly, MCKO people. Yeah, so I don't buy that, that he looked like shit. It's just, the, the performance was, it wasn't exciting. If you watched that fight, that fight wasn't a good fight, you know? Boucha Chua didn't wrestle at a high level. He looked like garbage. If you're gonna be a jujitsu guy and everybody knows you as a multiple world champion in jujitsu, and you're fighting in MMA, son, you better have some take downs, cuz ain't nobody wanna, gonna wanna be fucking grappling with you. Why would they do that? You're right.

• 3:02:51Speaker 01

  He was just banking on that single leg, and, and once he started taking that, he, he was taking away that single leg very well, and then I'm like, oh shit, it's a long night. I was all excited, like, oh, Boucha Chua.

• 3:03:01Joe Rogan?

  That's what I thought, too. I was like, oh shit, Boucha Chua, let's see how this goes.

• 3:03:04Speaker 01

  What the shit?

• 3:03:05Joe Rogan?

  How many times has you watched a high level jujitsu match between two black belts? And it starts in a standing position and no one goes down at all for like 10 minutes?

• 3:03:15Speaker 01

  It's annoying as fuck.

• 3:03:16Joe Rogan?

  There's no good shots. They're just tying up. There's no good shots. There's no one threatens to take someone down. Everyone's afraid to commit.

• 3:03:24Speaker 03

  Oh, when you start on your ass in class, then you never practice your takedowns.

• 3:03:29Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. You're right. You're right.

• 3:03:31Speaker 03

  Start on your knees.

• 3:03:32Joe Rogan?

  But it's also that no one wants to take a chance and open themselves up to getting caught, right? So you don't want to dive in for a double and then get caught in a guillotine.

• 3:03:41Speaker 01

  Shit, man. In Abu Dhabi, I pulled guard every fucking time.

• 3:03:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:03:45Speaker 01

  I don't give a fuck. If you're trusting your guard or being able to get back, now they call wrestling up. I was doing that back in the day before it was called that. But like, you know, if you're good at not letting somebody pass, especially now Abu Dhabi ruleset, after five minutes, you know, alright, now I'm on back. If I'm good at getting out and getting up, putting the guy down, I'm, you know what I mean? I don't know. It's all strategy with that, but I hate when it's a stalemate with just two guys just fucking pummeling them, fucking.

• 3:04:10Joe Rogan?

  But I get it from the wrestler's perspective too. It's like, hey, fuck, fuck sitting on your ass. Like, take me down, bitch. You want me on the ground? You gotta take me to the ground. I get that too, because that's correct. And that's one of the things that you see that's like very humbling for a real good jujitsu guy when he's, there's no way he can take a guy down. And then the guy starts beating him up, standing up.

• 3:04:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:29Joe Rogan?

  And you just have, you're just rushing for it, trying to grab him. You can't get the fight to your expertise level, your, your area of expertise.

• 3:04:36Speaker 01

  It looks so bad too.

• 3:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Looks terrible.

• 3:04:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it looks really bad. Nothing to fear from you standing, so it's like, fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:04:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 3:04:42Speaker 03

  What about Don Frye and Omri Batech? That was a bad, that was a bad one for that.

• 3:04:47Speaker 01

  He was, first, and he was tiny, by the way. Omri Batech was a stud, but he might have done well if they gave him anybody else, but one, he was, if you watch that again, he's way smaller.

• 3:04:58Joe Rogan?

  And that's a small Don Frye back then too.

• 3:05:00Speaker 03

  Don Frye was 200, 210. That was before he really got on the gas.

• 3:05:04Speaker 01

  The other guy couldn't even fight me 55.

• 3:05:06Speaker 03

  Pride Don Frye's a lot different than that Don Frye.

• 3:05:07Joe Rogan?

  Pride Don Frye's a superhero. Yeah, he got gigantic.

• 3:05:11Speaker 03

  Even his mustache got bigger.

• 3:05:13Speaker 01

  I, I didn't know that that guy, the, the- Big Japanese guy that they were punching each other in the face.

• 3:05:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:05:17Speaker 01

  I didn't know that guy became a quadriplegic or something.

• 3:05:19Speaker 03

  Something happened. I saw a picture of him visiting him.

• 3:05:22Speaker 01

  Look how small he is. He's tiny. Come on dude.

• 3:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Don was not big. You know, look at Don. I mean, he wasn't a big muscular. I mean, obviously, super athletic.

• 3:05:30Speaker 01

  Different weight classes right here. This is crazy.

• 3:05:33Joe Rogan?

  But not the Don from Pride. The giant roided up Don Frye from Pride was a different.

• 3:05:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:05:39Speaker 01

  This poor Omari was just trying to get him down the whole time.

• 3:05:42Speaker 03

  He just grabbed the fence. No rules at all.

• 3:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Full on grabbing the fence. Look, he's hanging on to the fence with shoes on. That's the other thing. He's got wrestling shoes, which is also kind of crazy.

• 3:05:52Speaker 01

  Sucks. Poor Omari. I mean, he didn't have any.

• 3:05:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was bad. I used to train with Omari back, old school top team back in the day.

• 3:05:57Speaker 03

  It was a long fight.

• 3:05:59Joe Rogan?

  What do you think Omari Batech weighed in this fight?

• 3:06:01Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say he looks around one seventy or something.

• 3:06:02Speaker 03

  What do you think, a buck seventy? Yeah, buck eighty?

• 3:06:05Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 3:06:05Speaker 01

  He looks, he looks small. I mean, look at the size. There's different weight classes.

• 3:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Big, big difference.

• 3:06:09Speaker 03

  Look how young he is.

• 3:06:10Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Big difference.

• 3:06:12Speaker 01

  No gloves.

• 3:06:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:06:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:06:15Speaker 03

  Was thirty years ago, so.

• 3:06:16Speaker 01

  Well, it was so crazy.

• 3:06:18Speaker 03

  What? Thirty years ago? It was ninety-six.

• 3:06:20Speaker 01

  Sometimes I forget I'm fucking in my fifties now. Fifty-one.

• 3:06:24Joe Rogan?

  This is a catch weight.

• 3:06:25Speaker 03

  I'll be fifty-seven. It was catch weight?

• 3:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Did it say Omari Batech's weight?

• 3:06:29Speaker 04

  I'm looking up a different spot.

• 3:06:31Joe Rogan?

  He looks like a welterweight.

• 3:06:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:06:35Speaker 01

  Ah shit.

• 3:06:36Joe Rogan?

  There was a lot of those fights back then.

• 3:06:37Speaker 03

  Oh my god. Tons of them. Catch weights?

• 3:06:40Joe Rogan?

  No, just crazy fights where guys were fighting someone way smaller than them.

• 3:06:44Speaker 03

  It's like Kheran Gergel, uh, Fabio Gergel. Yeah, that's one of my favorite fights of all time. And I was a big Fabio fan.

• 3:06:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, listen, I give credit to, uh, Murillo Bustamante fighting Tom Erickson for forty-five minutes.

• 3:06:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Dude, Murillo, Murillo was a jujitsu guy that had some stand-up and had some wrestling. He took Lindland down.

• 3:07:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, remember that?

• 3:07:06Speaker 03

  He stood on the feet with Chuck Liddell. I thought Murillo won that fight.

• 3:07:09Joe Rogan?

  He tapped Lindland twice.

• 3:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Murillo Bustamante is one of my favorites to watch. The thing about the jujitsu guys back then, some of those guys, Fabio Gergel's another one.

• 3:07:18Speaker 03

  Fabio's a monster.

• 3:07:19Speaker 01

  Murillo is, their jujitsu games, it will, it could transfer over from.

• 3:07:25Speaker 01

  Gee, no gee MMA, and it all resembles the same skillset. Like, you know what I mean? But it could cross over.

• 3:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Mario Sperry.

• 3:07:32Speaker 01

  Mario Sperry, the Zen machine, yeah. He was great, too. You know? Uh, yeah, man.

• 3:07:38Joe Rogan?

  A lot of those guys from that Carlson Gracie team. They had a real solid MMA.

• 3:07:42Speaker 03

  They had a real good team.

• 3:07:43Joe Rogan?

  Jiu Jitsu game.

• 3:07:44Speaker 03

  Can't doubt Carlson's teaching. Like, a lot of savages came out of that camp, a lot of them.

• 3:07:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, including Vitor.

• 3:07:51Speaker 08

  Yep. Well, that's how I got, that's where I got my black belt from, from Laborio, from that camp.

• 3:07:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, yeah, Laborio, I mean, Laborio was, Laborio was awesome. He was a good dude.

• 3:08:00Speaker 01

  Where's he been?

• 3:08:00Speaker 08

  He's in Orlando. He's got a school in Orlando.

• 3:08:03Speaker 03

  Oh, he's still got a school.

• 3:08:04Speaker 08

  Yeah, he's still got a school and like a whole network.

• 3:08:06Speaker 01

  He's not involved in MMA anymore?

• 3:08:07Speaker 08

  No, no MMA stuff.

• 3:08:09Speaker 01

  Cause I used to see him in the corner.

• 3:08:10Speaker 08

  Never.

• 3:08:11Speaker 01

  Nice guy. What a sweetheart guy that guy is.

• 3:08:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was.

• 3:08:15Joe Rogan?

  When did he leave Top Team?

• 3:08:16Speaker 08

  He left before I did.

• 3:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 3:08:18Speaker 08

  Yeah, so.

• 3:08:21Speaker 08

  I mean, he, in fact, like, when he left, that's when they really hired me to, like, kinda take his place.

• 3:08:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. What's the other fight that I wanna talk about coming up? Oh, Joe Pfeifer.

• 3:08:34Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:08:34Speaker 01

  Who's he fighting?

• 3:08:35Speaker 08

  Yeah. He's fighting, uh, Abu Smagomedov.

• 3:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:38Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 3:08:39Speaker 03

  Joe Pfeifer.

• 3:08:40Speaker 01

  I like, I like Joe, man. He's fucking, he's got some hands.

• 3:08:43Speaker 03

  He's got a piston in that fucker.

• 3:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Joe Pfeifer thought that I was too hard on him in the commentary of the last fight. But it's just cause of his potential. It's just cause of his potential, that's all it is. I just knew that he was looking for the big shot. Instead of, like, just letting it come. And he was so good in the first round that unfortunately, like, he had so much success and almost took him out, that he started looking to take him out.

• 3:09:03Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 3:09:03Joe Rogan?

  And if you load up with Kelvin, Kelvin could still box.

• 3:09:07Speaker 08

  I think it freaked him out a little bit that Kelvin was still there. You know, like, he's like, yo, I didn't hit this dude with everything. This dude's still here. What the hell's going on?

• 3:09:14Joe Rogan?

  Nobody's got a chin like that guy.

• 3:09:16Speaker 03

  That kid is tough.

• 3:09:17Speaker 01

  A little chubby, though, Kelvin.

• 3:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a 70. He's a 70.

• 3:09:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09:21Joe Rogan?

  He shouldn't be 85.

• 3:09:22Speaker 01

  But he's always had such problems making it.

• 3:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you know what? Man, it's just like, if that guy was at the UFC PI and they gave him all his meals and he had someone babysit him and make sure you don't, just don't fuck off. Don't eat anything other than this. And it's like, too many guys just wanna feel comfortable.

• 3:09:37Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 3:09:38Joe Rogan?

  It's like, okay, but you're not gonna feel comfortable losing, right? So you're fighting a giant. And that this guy's coming down from an extreme weight.

• 3:09:48Joe Rogan?

  First two ten. Oh, Amari Betts is one eighty-five? Yeah. Okay.

• 3:09:52Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 3:09:52Joe Rogan?

  He's also a late replacement.

• 3:09:54Speaker 01

  I gotta go back again, I'm sorry.

• 3:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's wrap it up.

• 3:09:56Speaker 01

  Whoa, man, guys, my ass is stopping us?

• 3:09:58Joe Rogan?

  No, we've been doing it for three hours.

• 3:10:00Speaker 01

  Oh, have we been?

• 3:10:01Joe Rogan?

  We've been doing it three hours.

• 3:10:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:10:03Joe Rogan?

  So it's fun.

• 3:10:03Speaker 01

  I feel you guys are gonna fucking curse me after this, I'm sorry.

• 3:10:06Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, we understand.

• 3:10:07Speaker 01

  Knee in my ass.

• 3:10:08Joe Rogan?

  You've got a legitimate issue.

• 3:10:09Speaker 01

  I have a lot of issues.

• 3:10:10Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing wrong. Nothing wrong. Uh, Ground Control, Baltimore, Maryland.

• 3:10:15Speaker 01

  Can I have a fucking shirt?

• 3:10:16Speaker 03

  GroundControlBaltimore.com.

• 3:10:18Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy that I didn't bring that other shirt.

• 3:10:20Speaker 03

  And ShowgunFights.com, I got you, Matt, don't worry.

• 3:10:22Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you, medium now.

• 3:10:23Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 3:10:24Joe Rogan?

  And Dean Thomas Fight Court, the new podcast, yeah. Oh, you got a new one? I'm always, I always got a new one. Dean Thomas Fight Court, so.

• 3:10:30Speaker 03

  Yep, uh, at Bmore MMA on Instagram, too.

• 3:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I'll see you this weekend in Chicago, right?

• 3:10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll be there.

• 3:10:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:10:37Speaker 01

  Matt's our channel on, oh, I'm sorry, were you done?

• 3:10:39Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I'm done, go ahead.

• 3:10:40Speaker 01

  Matt's our channel on YouTube, I'm having fun with that. I got a, that's a little podcast that can, like thirty-something thousand, I wanna get to a hundred thousand. Come join the fun.

• 3:10:49Speaker 03

  Yep, well, one can kick out there, we got a Ground Control in Sykesville opening up soon, so number six is on its way.

• 3:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Nice, nice, and, uh, the website has all the addresses and everything listed?

• 3:11:00Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 3:11:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay. All right.

• 3:11:02Speaker 01

  Guys.

• 3:11:03Joe Rogan?

  So much fun.

• 3:11:03Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 3:11:04Speaker 03

  Always great.

• 3:11:04Speaker 01

  Thank you, Joe.

• 3:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Appreciate you guys, thank you, bye, everybody.

• 3:11:07Speaker 03

  Thank you.

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