#2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

Anna Paulina Luna serves as U. S. representative for Florida's 13th congressional district. She is the author of two books: "Marrying the Beret: The Untold Stories of US Special Operations," and "Bringing them Home: The Untold Cost of Putting Missions First." https://luna.house.gov 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:05Speaker 01

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• 0:11Joe Rogan?

  So what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got it off?

• 0:15Speaker 03

  So I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the guard. And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it and I was like, what was that? And they're like, eh, we can't really talk about it. No one really wanted to address it. And so, from what I had gathered, that had been likely a UAP. And so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of the X-Files and, you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day. So like, for me specifically, I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens and perspective.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  I'm like, you know, you never know if, you know, we're the only ones out there essentially.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion that he couldn't talk about, that it wasn't just a military craft from another country?

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Because of the way that he was discussing it.

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  How did he, what did he say?

• 1:11Speaker 03

  So he had been, he didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status. And he's like, I really can't discuss it. We couldn't really like identify it essentially, and it had outperformed them. And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community. Do you want to lose your security clearance? What, you know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career?

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet?

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Well, at the time, right? So it was an older platform, but he really didn't want to even talk about it. And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually, the reason why the task force was formed was because of an event that happened at Eglin Air Force Base where both myself, Representative Matt Gaetz, and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred, and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Yes, that was that and like I'm happy to go into detail on that one, but what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw at Eglin, how the military responded, me being, you know, a former service member, and then ultimately what I saw with the pushback of the military not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that it's possible that these are US vehicles that are top secret?

• 2:51Speaker 03

  I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has, and I think that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm, and of course, some information's going to be classified, but I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce, because it would basically be like dropping a cellphone, cellphone, right, off back during the time of maybe cavemen's, so like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is, based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able to ask

• 3:36Speaker 03

  some of the witnesses, you know, what are these things? And they keep saying interdimensional, and then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of, you know, are these things preexisting, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy, but at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately, from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  So, when you say that it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying, like what happened?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  To, to, I guess, break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things have.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  Energy things?

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, they call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. And that's not something that I came up with on my own. That's based on stuff that we've seen. That's based on information that we've been told. And then also too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know, this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion and I think the history that we currently know. And that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know, you have the modern day Bible, you have this aspect of Bibles or books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of information that we have access to via social media, via your cellphone, via the internet. And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins of life and the spiritual reality that we know.

• 5:30Joe Rogan?

  When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings, how do they know that?

• 5:37Speaker 03

  That, so, based on testimony would be based on witnesses that have come forward. But what I can tell you is I've-

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  So the witnesses just were told that they were interdimensional?

• 5:47Speaker 03

  No, no, that they've, that they've seen things. And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  That's very vague.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, look-

• 6:10Joe Rogan?

  Unfortunately.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, look, have I seen a portal, but no. Have I seen a spaceship, personally, no. Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in texts? Yes. So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent. And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you, I, with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact, and we can get into that story and what happened at Eglin in a second, but we were denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read and authority on a special access program. That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body, and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy, and that's a problem. That's a big problem.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  And so how do these people have the authority to do that?

• 7:37Speaker 03

  I think it's been decades of classified, secret information, then also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered. And it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress and basically, to an extent, have gone rogue up until recently. You're seeing a big push and pull to try to rein in these intelligence agencies currently.

• 8:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So, but I want to bring it back to evidence. You said that you've seen evidence. Like, what kind of evidence have you seen?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  I have seen photos. I have seen...

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  What have you seen photos of?

• 8:24Speaker 03

  So I was in a skiff, and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff, but what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind.

• 8:36Joe Rogan?

  It seems crazy that people have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are, and they hide it from everybody else.

• 8:49Speaker 03

  What I can-

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• 11:49Speaker 03

  Tell you is that when you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something.

• 11:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  To say that those people are crazy, to say that, you know, the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound. That in itself, you know, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it. And that's, that's a problem. We know that the US government has not exactly been clean and a lot of what they've done with the American people specifically to the topic of UFOs.

• 12:20Joe Rogan?

  Which makes you think that it's probably because there's something there. If you think about the motivation they had with Project Blue Book, when Jay Allen Hynek was running Project Blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all stories.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  And he ended up ultimately though, after all of his investigations, becoming someone that was like, ah, I think there's something here. But that's true. By the way, a lot of people might not necessarily go onto Google and look up that information, but you can actually look up the declassified reports from Project Blue Book. What's also interesting though, is when we're talking about tech, right? The ability for This tech, being that it exists to change dependence for entire governments on things like fossil fuel, etc. You know, it's, um, look, I think everyone has a moral obligation to do what they think is right. Okay. And so if you're in a position of power and you see something wrong and you're not addressing it, I think, you know, this in itself, getting the truth out there for people to decide for themselves.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm just telling you in our investigations and what we are pushing for in regards to transparency. I would like to see the federal government roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to because I think that that information belongs in the hands of the American people. And it's not even just the US government. I mean, there's other countries around the world that have done certain things like this. Now, look, I've had a lot of crazy people show up at my office and say, you know, I, like, I've heard of all.

• 13:44Joe Rogan?

  I've been to Mars.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've been to Mars, you know, I have a chip in my brain, all this stuff.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they all have chips.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  We had this one guy that showed up that was like trying to give us a USB. He's like, put this in your computer, they're gonna kill me for this, like runs away. And I'm like, I'm not putting that in my computer. But based on our investigations, what I will tell you is, you know, there's been two members of Congress that are actually helping to lead out these investigations with me. And the reason I say that is because up until last Congress, if you even said the word UAP or UFO, people actually told us that if we went forward with these investigations that we were gonna ruin our political careers. And so, you know, we're in the mindset of, well, like, why wouldn't we ask these questions? And also too, if no one wants to touch it, like, there has to be something here, right?

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  And so in these investigations, I mean, the amount of people that will come up to us, very successful people, to multiple members of Congress that believe the same thing, it's definitely changed in regards to the stigma that used to exist about disclosure and all this. And so what we're trying to do currently was there's a big documentary that was filmed about a year and a half ago, and we're trying to get a screening up on Capitol Hill. But look, I, I think a lot of people say, well, this is a distraction from everything else happening in the country right now. And all I'm simply trying to say is, it's not a distraction, the people that are kind of helping to divulge all this information. You have an intelligence community, Tulsi Gabbard, Radcliffe, Cash Patel. They have been, truly, in regards to our other investigations, extremely transparent and wanting to get this information out.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  But it doesn't mean that within these intelligence communities, there isn't pushback. And so, part of the reason why the task force was formed pertaining to things like UAP, pertaining to things like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining to things like the JFK, MLK, and RFK investigations, is because even though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to do is push these agencies and be, if you will, the pit bull and the attack dog on trying to get this information released. And to a lot of these agencies' credits, they've been extremely transparent, and we have gotten wins specifically on the JFK stuff. And we're still looking to declassify and ask specifically on the UAP topic.

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  What would be the rationale for keeping a photograph of a known, absolute, not-of-this-world craft from the American people or from the world? Why would anybody think that that would be the smart thing to do, is to limit the access of that information to a very small amount of people?

• 16:00Speaker 03

  I think that part of the fear is, is that you have advisors that think that the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it. There's this protective complex, but then also, too, I think when you are talking about these things, for a lot of people, I think that it can rock your world a little bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective, and then also, too, an aspect of, well, how do you even begin to explain it? And all I'm going to say is, look, and we can go into some of the books that were removed from what we know as the modern-day Bible, but I read through the Book of Enoch multiple times.

• 16:42Speaker 03

  And I'm not saying that these things are angels. That's not at all what I'm saying. But what I am saying is that... Depending on where you are in regards to your whole perspective on whether or not God exists, like I believe in God, I'm a Christian. There has to have been, and there's admissions that there was other creations that God made, but that we were the most prized creation. And so I think that this can open up a bigger topic of discussion. What I will say is that what's been interesting is, and I've had a mass array of people that have come in, right? Like, we have people that come in that claim that you can use this ability to basically dog whistle these things in from like a psychic ability.

• 17:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've heard people say that.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  And I think that there's some, something there. Otherwise, they wouldn't necessarily be able to provide some of the video evidence that they have. But then that also brings up the question of if these things are interdimensional, which we've had witnesses testify to, to members of Congress, and that was all publicly out there. That would then bring up the whole, well, if this is really transcending dimension, the power of what you say, thought, all of that. And then, you know, you can look into our own government's declassified documents that the CIA had on different experiments. I mean, you can literally, last week, I was going through, actually on a Friday night, just put my sun down, and I was going through some of the declassified, you go to CIA.gov/readingroom and you can see all the declassified documents.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  And so I believe it was called Stargate, and it was talking about, you know, the basically psychological experiments where they were trying to basically remote view and all that. Why would our own government be looking into that if there wasn't something there? And so I'm appreciative to all that information being publicly out there, but I think this whole idea and stigma of trying to make it sound crazy when people actually have these questions, that needs to stop, which is why the task force is in existence. And then also, too, they need to release information.

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  If I was going to play devil's advocate, I would say that the government would look into that to find out if there's anything there. And that would probably take a long time if they're really being careful. So if I was going to fund a program, if someone told me that there's some people in Russia that can remote view military sites in America, I'd be like, are you sure? And like, yeah, yeah, there's a technique involved, and we know the technique, and we want to fund some sort of a study to see if we can do it. I'm like, let's go. What do you need? Because if, maybe it's real. So I don't buy that they wouldn't spend money on it unless it's real. I say they would spend money on it to find out. If you're really looking out for national security, right? You've got 300 and plus million people that you're responsible for.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  You gotta dot your i's and cross your t's and like if I'm, you know, if I'm good at my job and I'm not an egomaniac, I'm gonna go, maybe there's some shit I don't know.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Well, there's looking into it and then there's expanding, right? And so if you look at all those declassified files, you know, you can pull up, and this is just wild, but there's one where I was looking through and they had basically, you know, the Coast Guard had called in, there was a ship that they had been given information on that was running drugs. And so they called in one of their remote viewers and they're trying to give coordinates, coordinates of the ship and actually like basically locate these things. And I actually was laughing because I was reading this off the website and I'm telling my husband, like imagine, you know, you're trying to run drugs and then all of a sudden you have some like weirdo at Langley or like in a basement, they're like, no dude, like, did you get his coordinates? You know, beam me up Scotty, but.

• 20:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know if they write things down or type them out or what, but I talked to Hal Putoff about it and he said they used it to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers, which is nuts. If you think about the area where this thing crashed, it's like remote wilderness, the middle of nowhere, Russia hadn't found it yet. Apparently we found it first, according to Hal Putoff. It's just because I haven't done it and because I don't know that it's real doesn't mean it's not real. And that's, this is a problem with people that they don't want to get duped and they don't want to look stupid, they don't want to look naive. And so they dismiss things.

• 20:48Joe Rogan?

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• 22:07Speaker 03

  Well, I think that this gets into the bigger discussion of what do we know, right? Going back to some of these books that were moved. There's a good podcast right now called The Autistic Tapes, and it talks about how some non-speaking or non-verbal autistic kids actually are exhibiting telepathy.

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  You mean the telepathy tapes?

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry, the telepathy tapes. Non-verbal autistic kids are exhibiting telepathy. You know, this concept, again, if you were to talk about it 20 years ago, people will call you crazy, but, you know, I think based on what we're seeing now, based on the fact that our own governments looked into it, based on the stuff that you were saying, I mean, you can find all this information publicly available, and it's out there. And I think that there's something to it. And so, you know, we're seeing, and we've heard, this is in non-classified settings, we've heard from people that have come forward that are saying, you know, we're being able to, via meditation, we're essentially downloading information, we can communicate with these things. Granted, you know, when I'm sitting in my congressional office and I'm hearing this, I take it with a grain of salt, because we do get a lot of crazy people.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  But when you have people that are high-level executives, very successful, clean-cut, not on drugs, are coming in and they're telling you this stuff, and then, you know, you're... Kind of cross-referencing it with various people and intelligence agencies. I just, I think that there's something there and we need to be at least open to hearing the discussion and the argument for these things.

• 23:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. I mean, like I said, if there's a photo out there, I think you owe humanity a service. You're supposed to release that photograph. There's no reason why a small group of people in the government should have photo conclusive evidence that aliens are real.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  And there's a

• 23:46Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  And there's an over-classification aspect of this too, right? Like, if you're serving in the military and you're taking a photo on your personal device or a video on your personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government. And either which way, I mean, there's been now so much stuff. There's, granted, there's been a lot of fake stuff put out there.

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  But the stuff that is legitimate, that we are seeing, the stuff that we had people testify to in our congressional hearings, I mean, that's not a joke. And what's even more interesting to this is that I was actually able to talk to David Grush, who now is actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads in regards to some of these contractors that allegedly have this attack, right? So in talking with him, again, not in a skiff, we were able to actually flesh out that prior to him testifying, that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife, his wife's life. He's a sound guy, and then shortly after he testified, this was, there was this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony. And so, you know, again, going into, well, if this stuff wasn't real, or if he wasn't

• 24:47Speaker 03

  telling the truth, why would there be this massively orchestrated effort to, you know, completely just disprove what he was trying to say, or to discredit his actions and his testimony? And so, it is kind of coming full circle, right? Going back to what the task force has been able to find out. I mean, we're conducting these investigations simultaneously, and we're doing this in addition to everything that we To everything else that we have to do as members of Congress, right? So although I would love to just dedicate my full time and attention to this, we still have to balance it out. And so I've again had some great investigators who are working with us on oversight, as well as a lot of cooperation from the intelligence agencies. And we are going to be asking for this information to be declassified, at least information that has been showed to us.

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  I think the first break in the wall was that 2017 New York Times report where they were talking about it in logical, sensible language that these things might be from another world. But I think that movie that you're discussing, which is The Age of Disclosure.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?

• 25:51Joe Rogan?

  It's very good. It's very good. It's very good and it doesn't even have any like UFO footage. I mean, maybe like a little bit.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  It's just testimony.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  It's just testimony. And at the end of it, you kind of draw this conclusion like, oh, this makes sense. Like this, what they're essentially saying is, one of the problems is if they have been funding these secret programs, then for all these years, they've been misappropriating money.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And they've been lying to Congress.

• 26:15Joe Rogan?

  And that's super illegal.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Very illegal, but you know, it's like, is Congress going to do anything about it? Because it's not the first time. Like, we have the ability, and this is the most frustrating thing. So as a, this is my second term in Congress now. But as a first term member of Congress, you know, when you, Joe, when you get elected to Congress, you would think that they would bring you in and they'd say, okay, this is how you do the legislation. No, you get elected, you show up to kind of a crash course for about like a week and a half on, you know, how to not get in trouble with ethics. And then you're basically wined and dined by lobbyists. They don't actually tell you how to do the legislation. Basically, the only rules that you're told are never vote down a rule, which is a procedural motion to bring legislation to the floor, and don't really ever vote against your party. Of which, within the first week, I broke both rules and so I was on the naughty list, per usual. But the thing is, is that-

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  They tell you how to do it. That's kind of crazy.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Well, they tell you, basically, those are the two rules and don't go against that and you won't have any issues.

• 27:06Joe Rogan?

  Those are big ass rules, though.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it's like, you know, you're supposed to represent your constituency. So if you have people calling your office saying, don't you devote for this, then you vote against it. It's like, people forget that you're supposed to represent, right, representative, instead of just do what the party wants. But you know, there is, there are mechanisms that have existed since Thomas Jefferson, who wrote our damn rule manual, that enable us to actually pass legislation and actually hold agencies and people accountable from a punitive perspective. And I don't know if you were tracking, but like, I brought a vote on the former Attorney General for basically refusing to testify to Congress and respond to a subpoena. And that was called inherent contempt. And a lot of Congress was like, what the hell's inherent contempt? It hadn't been done since the early 1900s.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  And I actually read it in the rule manual, and I read the rule manual twice. It's like, so crazy what happens when you read books. But we were able to find this out, and it was a mechanism that Congress can use to actually, basically, send the Sergeant at Arms to go arrest people.

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  Geez. Okay. So, one of the things that this documentary was calling for, that I think is the only logical way to solve this, is a mass amnesty for these people that misappropriated money and...

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Or whistleblowers.

• 28:20Joe Rogan?

  Or whistleblowers. The whistleblowers thing is crazy. Like, they leave them alone. Like, come on. Of course, everybody should fucking know this stuff, guys. The real crime is you keeping this secret from humanity. That's the real crime. Okay? The other stuff is horseshit. It's just interpretations of what you're writing down on paper. You're making up rules. But if you ask the general public how they feel this should go, a rational, normal person would say, there's no fucking way the defense contractors should be the only people who know that we're not alone. Fuck you.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Especially when we're facing a massive deficit and you see that they're, like, the Pentagon hasn't been able to pass the audit, and I don't know how many years.

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all that stuff is great, but just for humanity, just for humanity, that is a giant piece of information that no one should have. No one should secretly keep information that would change our entire perspective on our existence.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  It's definitely wrong that it's happening, for sure. What I will tell you, though, is the issue that we have with bringing forward legislation that would give mass amnesty and pardon to these people, is that there are people within the intelligence community and within Congress, on both sides, that will try to, if you come forward with this, and I'll tell you a very prime example of this in a moment. That they will block it, they don't want it to pass, they will stop it from even coming to the floor, they won't bring legislation that will address it because they want to keep this information secret. So Representative Tim Burchett-

• 29:51Joe Rogan?

  But why do they want to keep the information secret?

• 29:54Speaker 03

  Because I think that their mouthpiece is in control of the deep state. And that's a thing. And it exists on both sides, okay?

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  So someone will come to them with marching point, marching orders?

• 30:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%. Representative Tim Burchett, before I got elected, was kind of on his own little island in regards to the UAP stuff. And he will himself tell you that, you know, this is 100% like, a thing. And that these defense contractors and what he believes, you know, the Pentagon not passing on this, all this, these black budget programs. I mean, like, he will tell you, he's, again, been leading out this effort way before I got there. He had a piece of legislation that was supposed to enable the FAA to report and develop a different reporting, a different reporting procedure for UAP stuff. And at the time, the Chairman of Intel ensured that that legislation was not brought forward, that it was stopped. The piece of legislation that actually passed out of the Senate, it

• 30:43Speaker 03

  really had no teeth to it. And then Representative Burchett drew a primary challenger that was being backed by the Chairman of Intel. And so, you know, when you are touching these, it's like, you know that meme where you have that stork that's like, "Don't touch this", and then the little foot comes out?

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Speaker 03

  It's kind of like what we're doing. And it's not exactly easy, because you will take heat from both sides. But there has been a good group that's been assembled that's bicameral, meaning it's both in the House and the Senate, and bipartisan, meaning both Democrats and Republicans are saying like, "Hey, this should actually happen."

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  Are they publicly talking about not releasing the information, or is all this stuff done in secrecy?

• 31:19Speaker 03

  It's done behind the scenes.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  Because if they had to do it publicly, if they had to announce their position on it publicly, it would be very damaging, I think, to anybody's political career, on the right or the left.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  People would be pissed, right?

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're pissed. Because I'm pissed, because if-

• 31:38Joe Rogan?

  If they've had it for this long, I mean, if they really did recover something as early as 1947, excuse me.

• 31:45Speaker 03

  Well, I can tell you, for us specifically, we actually were made aware, some people had come forward that said that they wanted to brief, so about two years ago when all this kicked off, we had requested briefings from Arrow, that's in charge of compiling the investigative aspect of the AP stuff. And by the way, from the get-go, even in talking to Arrow, I was like, this organization is literally a BS organization, they're never going to tell us anything. And every interaction that we had in the skiff, I was like, this is a nothing burger. But then these people came forward and said that they were actually denied, they were told to not brief our group specifically on this topic, and that it was from, at the time, members of House leadership, but they wouldn't say who. And so I actually went with another member of Congress and confronted multiple people,

• 32:29Speaker 03

  and they all denied, denying us access. So it's done behind the scenes, you'll see these random little troll blockages that might pop up. But what I can tell you is that with the new administration, specifically with FBI, specifically with ODNI, we have gotten transparency to where previously we would have been stonewalled. We were actually given briefings. And so what I will tell you is, we are going to push for the information that we saw to be out there for the American people to see.

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  So do you think that the whole idea of disclosure is maybe a multiple-step, very agonizing, frustratingly slow process, rather than a big dump of all the information that they've had from Roswell to the Aztec one, to there's, apparently there's a whole slew, I don't know if it's Aztec, I forget the name of it, but there was another, during that same time period, there was a really prominent UFO recovery thing that was not as publicized as the one in Roswell. The big mistake with the Roswell one was the newspaper printed it. And so then they had to backtrack and then they had to do the press conference where they had like some scattered pieces of a weather balloon that didn't look anything

• 33:41Joe Rogan?

  like a UFO.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  And then the Air Force was like, "That is nothing."

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but meanwhile, they flew the wreckage to Wright Field. They flew the wreckage and Truman met them there supposedly.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Well, I can tell you, in our hearing, we were actually notified, and you can pull this up, we were, I think it was, one of the witnesses had talked about what had happened at Vandenberg Air Base where there was this thing that appeared over the base. It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls into law enforcement from like hundreds of people. And whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube with some weird thing in the center of it. I actually had our witness draw this out. This guy is sober, is a priest, I mean, was a great pilot, and he's talking about all this. And so, you know, you talk about this stuff, it seems like a sci-fi movie, but based on the evidence that we've seen, I don't have any reason to believe that these people are lying. Based on the evidence that

• 34:33Speaker 03

  I've seen from our own government, I think that there's something there that the American people deserve to have access to. And so I've been, this is not just on this topic, but again, in other topics as well, this has been my perspective, is transparency is what builds trust. Other governments have revealed certain information on it. To think that we are the only, you know, life form on this planet or in this galaxy, I think is a little bit crazy, given, you know, the fact that I also think God exists and that there's other creations. But then again, you get into this aspect of, you know, why is it that you also have this aspect of, you know, a certain religion that has been very controlled and I think ruled out in a certain aspect. And, you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible, right?

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  Was, did Wes Huff, did he touch on that? Did he talk about that? Are there people that don't believe the Book of Enoch was really a part of the Bible?

• 35:31Speaker 05

  I don't remember how he discussed the missing books. I think we brought it up, but I don't remember how.

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  That's the guy to talk to.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, so what, from what I gather.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  That's the guy to talk to about, you know what I mean? Because you have to really understand the history of the Bible to be able to figure out what, you know, what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament. I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really, really know the history of it, and it's, it's very strange stuff.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  Well, so, from, from what I gather, and by, by the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity, but just from my personal opinion on this. So, you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text, which has, I think, 88 books in the, of the Bible in total, but in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically, kind of like a, a mainline OG version of the Bible. And then sometime in the 4th century, there was actually a group that came together and they removed certain books. And the story goes that Revelations actually had replaced Enoch. And so it's interesting, because when you're looking kind of full circle on, you know, you hear the stuff that some of these people are talking about, and then you see and you read the Book of Enoch, which is a wild read, okay?

• 36:39Speaker 03

  And then you look at kind of what our modern day description is of what angels and entities are versus what Enoch was seeing and reporting in his language and ability at that time. I just, I think that there's a lot that brings you to then ask the question, well, why would they remove this information? If it's truly, you know, written in, in part of the oldest Bible in the world, why would they then take it out and, and water it down? And I'm not saying that you can't find God through the new Bible, right? Like, everyone's on their own spiritual journey, and I think everyone can pray and you can access, access God, but I just find that very interesting. And so what I will say is that I like to have the whole kind of picture in front of me, and so I feel like to fully understand A through Z, you kind of have to be able to read it.

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• 38:37Joe Rogan?

  at betterhelp.com/jre. That's better H E L P dot com slash J R E. Yeah, I just don't know about the history of it. Is there any debate about the the reality of that book? Is there any debate about whether or not it was either fraudulent or discredited or something?

• 39:01Speaker 05

  The Book of Enoch?

• 39:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, why did they... Because I know there was some kind of controversy that Wes Huff described. I just can't remember it.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just looked through a transcript real quick. I didn't see you guys discussing Enoch. We were discussing Isaiah and then the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff like that. I didn't see Enoch discussion.

• 39:17Joe Rogan?

  No, it must have been me privately talking to him about something, another video that I watched. The thing about, like, what Wes Huff does that's so interesting is like, he really understands, like, the history of the text, the language in which they use, the names in which they chose. And when he breaks it all... One of the things he told us that was the craziest was that the Book of Isaiah was exactly the same, the Dead Sea Scrolls, as it was a thousand years later.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  The direct translation.

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  They found one that was a thousand years older, and it was direct. It was word for word, verbatim. I'm like, that's bananas. A thousand-year-old story that's exactly the same written, that they didn't know there was a version of it a thousand years ago, and then they find it in these caves in Cremona.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  It's confirmed in text, yeah.

• 40:04Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. It's really weird. It's really, really weird stuff.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  And the fact that this kid, you know, a shepherd kid, was able to even find these scrolls that they were set up, and, you know, just has led to that point right in time where he finds this massive... Basically admission that the Bible is real. You can actually look into, you know, there's the New King James and then you can actually look into the Catholic Bible as well that also has, they call them apocrypha texts because the King James Bible doesn't acknowledge them, but there are also other books that are not considered, you know, approved by the King James. So, look, I was, on my mom's side, I was actually raised Catholic and then had my catechism, did all of it, and then on my dad's side, I was raised Christian and then later on, messianic Jew. And so I feel like I kind of have like a good cross-section and I've been exposed to a lot of this growing up.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  But it's definitely interesting and so, look, I don't tell people, like, I'm not, I'm not saying that like aliens created mankind, I don't believe that, because I, at the end of the day, believe that God is responsible for our creation. But I do think that what we've been programmed to believe in regards to our ability to be able to use our mind, this spiritual aspect of us, really does exist. And I think that once you kind of remove yourself out of this, basically rat race and you can like really reconnect with that, I think that that's when you kind of realize, hey, there's a bigger purpose here in life and like what is our end objective? And if you're given a position of influence or a position of power and you're not doing the right thing for humanity, you're not guiding people, then that's something that you have to answer for. So I want to make sure that I'm good with God.

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  I hear you. That's a lot. I think these stories, especially when you get to stories like Noah and the ark, that these stories exist in basically every religion, they're real similar, they're real similar. I think all of these people are trying to document a truth. It's just what is that truth is what, where it gets weird. And when it gets to like other gods and giants and giants created man and interbred with man.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Well, Enoch talks about that.

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, I know.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Which is crazy.

• 42:03Joe Rogan?

  I know. It's wild stuff. If it's legitimate, it's wild stuff. And then, do you know anything about the Ethiopian church that supposedly has the Ark of the Covenant in it?

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've looked into that, I actually wanted to, and again-

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  You're in the government, you can like get something done.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I actually wanted to do a Codel to just, but of course, like, we're focusing on other things right now, right?

• 42:23Joe Rogan?

  Send in seals, find that fucking thing.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  I was like, I need to pay for this for myself so we're not using taxpayer dollars, but just go check it out. What's interesting is the CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant, I think the-

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  Remote viewed?

• 42:33Speaker 03

  They remote, they remote viewed it. You can actually find that, you should actually pull it up.

• 42:37Joe Rogan?

  In Ethiopia?

• 42:38Speaker 03

  No, not in Ethiopia, but it was in a Middle Eastern country. They weren't able to locate the actual, I think the New York Post did an article on it where they actually had the handwritten notes on the Ark of the Covenant location. And they remote viewed it. You should ask them to pull it up. Yeah. I'm serious about it.

• 42:50Joe Rogan?

  Did they go there and see if they were correct?

• 42:51Speaker 03

  I don't know if they did. I don't know. This is like Indiana Jones, but...

• 42:54Joe Rogan?

  Decades old CIA documents on Ark of the Covenant resurfaced amid classified group text bat. What?

• 43:00Speaker 03

  Wait, like...

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  It was a group text argument that caused this stuff to be released?

• 43:05Speaker 03

  No, check out, pull up the New York Post one, because they actually have the handwritten notes from the remote viewer that actually documents it.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  It should be, I think it's like the New York Post.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  There you go. Top one. This is wild, because it actually goes into descriptions of angels, too. And so actually, if, so in Enoch, it talks about, well, if you, if you scroll down, now, that's, you can probably click on the described, because it'll show you all the documents from the actual declassified file. This is also on CIA.gov.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  This happened recently. This was like a couple of months ago that this just kind of came all out.

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what year was this project?

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Uh, 1988.

• 43:42Joe Rogan?

  Eighty-eight.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Five December 1988.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  So scroll down.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  So in eighty-eight, they found the Ark of the Covenant?

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Allegedly. Allegedly, they remote viewed it. We don't know if they followed up on it.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Who was president back then? Reagan?

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Go down.

• 43:55Joe Rogan?

  Bush?

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Senior. Okay, so scroll down, and then you'll see that, so this is like, so they're going through in the notes. You have to read it, but you can scroll down. This is kind of...

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  So this is, he's like drawing where it is?

• 44:05Speaker 03

  The remote viewer, so you have like the different things that are describing it. And if you keep going, you'll see like a cherubim. Keep going.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  It's like showing the peak of a building?

• 44:14Speaker 03

  Oh, wait, wait, sorry. Go up a little bit. So that's interesting, because if you look into actual, so there's like a wheel text. If you look into Enoch's description of angels and Ezekiel, too, I think that that's kind of a tie, but go down more. So, but yeah, you have like the actual here, purpose of the container. They should have like a cherubim drawing somewhere down here. Oh, yeah, see? So that would be the seraphim.

• 44:35Joe Rogan?

  What is that? Would be the what?

• 44:36Speaker 03

  The seraphim.

• 44:38Speaker 05

  How it's opened?

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, so basically, when they, they describe the Ark, and so he's going through describing it. So these are the hand notes for it, and then it actually says that it's in a Middle Eastern country. The remote viewer describes the clothing in which individuals are in the area. I feel like I'm describing like an Indiana Jones movie, but this is actually from the CIA.

• 44:54Joe Rogan?

  This, this image, scroll back to where that, what is that thing? Is that the corner of the box?

• 45:00Speaker 03

  Of the Covenant. Yeah, he's describing, if you go up, and these are actually the handwritten notes on what was described by the remote viewer. And you have to go through the entire document, but yeah, that's what's described surrounding the Ark.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you know what they asked him to find?

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, the Ark of the Covenant.

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  They asked him to go look for the Ark of the Covenant.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's in, if you go higher up in the documents, it's over there.

• 45:19Joe Rogan?

  Right, but if you ask me to go look for the Ark of the Covenant, like, I know what I'm looking for, right?

• 45:25Speaker 03

  Well, apparently these remote viewers.

• 45:28Joe Rogan?

  I put it in my head, I draw what I think it's gonna, like, show me that they fucking found it.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know if they did, but they apparently tried to find it.

• 45:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if they did either, but it's like, it's interesting, but it's not as interesting, because you're saying, "Show me the Ark of the Covenant." Right, so he's drawing what we all saw in Indiana Jones.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Or can you locate it, so the descriptions?

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  That was before Indiana Jones?

• 45:46Speaker 05

  No, they've been in the same time period.

• 45:49Joe Rogan?

  When did Indiana Jones come out? What a great movie.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  The 90s, right?

• 45:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, I'm thinking.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  And like, the first two are the best.

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  Raiders of the Lost Ark was the first one, that's the one. What year was that?

• 46:01Speaker 03

  1981.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so...

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Precursor.

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  So, that's seven years earlier, everybody saw that movie 100 times, you know what it looks like. You know what the Ark looks like, so if I tell you, "Go draw me the Ark," where's it at?

• 46:14Speaker 03

  You think that...

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  All we have is some scribbles on paper, unless they actually went there and found it.

• 46:18Speaker 03

  Well, what's interesting, and I, I should probably ask Radcliffe, like, "Radcliffe, can you tell me if this guy ever looked into the Ark of the Covenant?"

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  What does it say, Jamie?

• 46:25Speaker 05

  It says, "The mission is to access and describe the target identified by coordinate," and then there's coordinates. "The tasking is to see mission statement. Training target is the Ark of the Covenant."

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  So, they did say, "Go find us the Ark of the Covenant." And then this dude apparently said, "Keep AOL to a minimum," what is that?

• 46:45Speaker 05

  I don't know, I saw that on the paper earlier.

• 46:47Joe Rogan?

  "Have to be careful with editing, though, this does not seem to be a problem at this time, just something to watch for. Attained excellent site contact." Okay.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Definitely interesting.

• 46:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's weird that they're talking about it like it's a real talent, like, some can actually do it.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  This talks about mosque domes?

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, target is in a container, this container is in another container, has another container inside of it. The target is fashioned of wood, gold, and silver. The target is similar in shape to AOL. Um, so that's that, something of, of location, right? Is that what it means?

• 47:21Speaker 05

  Area of location?

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  Area of, yeah, that's it. A coffin, and is decorated with the seraphim, see sketch. This target is located somewhere in the Middle East, as the language spoken by individuals present seemed to be Arabic. Well, wouldn't you want someone who could fucking... Decipher Arabic to do this?

• 47:40Speaker 03

  We don't know how far it went, and I definitely have questions, but this would not be the first time that a government would have looked for something, especially because people theorize that the Ark of the Covenant had these abilities as a super weapon.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I'm saying like the remote viewer is limited by his ability to understand the language. Stop, scroll back up, please. Right there. So, somewhere in the Middle East, visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area, that the presence of mosque domes, individuals in the area were clothed in virtually all white, had black hair and dark eyes, one figure I honed in on wore a mustache. The target is hidden, underground, dark and wet were all aspects of the location of the target. See, the only problem I ever have with these things is if these places are all controlled by terrorists and it's all, you know, dictators and crazy people over there. If they found out that the Ark was there, they would fucking take it.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  Well, I think there's this aspect of if you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it anyways because it would be protected, right? That's what the Bible says.

• 48:43Speaker 05

  It just says here too, "Cannot be opened until the time is deemed correct."

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus. "Once the time to open the container, the mechanisms of lock systems will be found to be fairly simple. Individuals opening the container by prying or striking are destroyed by the container's protectors."

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Well, what's interesting is remember in the Bible always talks about how there had to be like a...

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  Through the use of a power unknown to us.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  They melt you.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  Bro, yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Well, so they had to, you know, go through this special process of being considered, you know, holy basically to access it. So, all that to say that there's something out there, right? I think that obviously God's real and this job has definitely, you know, put me in a position to where we're able to help get other truce out there, if you will.

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  You need to get the truth of that thing out there. They need to find that like that.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Dear Director Radcliffe, how's you looking at the Ark of the Covenant?

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

  You know how much the world would change if you found the actual Ark of the Covenant? And you could explain a lot of things like, look, if these Ethiopians have it, which Graham Hancock believes-

• 49:48Speaker 03

  Allegedly, they do.

• 49:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Graham Hancock believes that they do. And he said that these guardians, they all get cataracts, they die of like radiation poisoning.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  I mean, there's something to be said about the Ethiopian people as a whole and going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox texts. Actually, when I first launched this task course, I actually went and I met with a Ethiopian Orthodox pastor, if you will, just to kind of see and explain and ask questions that I can't exactly go to, you know, the Smithsonian and ask. And, you know, his response was interesting, especially from their perspective. You know, you have a lot of this aspect of, I think, religion that tries to be doom and gloom. And then in the Ethiopian perspective, he's like, first of all, your timeline's wrong. And I'm like, what do you mean your timeline? He's like, well, the biblical texts in modern day Christianity, it's a little bit off, right? So we use a completely separate, I think it's 364 days out of the year. And he's explaining all of it.

• 50:40Speaker 03

  And he's like, but even then, so, you know, we don't have the perspective of, you know, we are in the end of days, et cetera. But, you know, the way, his perspective just seemed very optimistic as opposed to pessimistic and filtering and controlling information.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  He's probably not online.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  He's off X.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  He's off X, he's off TikTok.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's not subjecting himself there.

• 51:04Speaker 05

  The New York Post thing about that says that the viewer was identified with a target and didn't know what it was.

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  Being the Ark of the Covenant after all the explanation they found.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, that's much different.

• 51:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  So that whole thing at the end of it was what they were saying it was when they wrote it in that report.

• 51:21Speaker 05

  If you look at all the, it's just a bunch of words they're putting together and like-

• 51:24Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 51:25Speaker 05

  Hearing Hal Putoff talk about it, they're just getting feelings.

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's way more interesting. If he didn't know what he was looking for and he found something that looked like the Ark of the Covenant, that's pretty crazy.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  They kind of like talk them on, right? They'll like give them something and say like, walk us through.

• 51:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm just doing devil's advocate because I have no skin in the game. I don't know if it's real or not real. I'm open to it. I think there's something going on. I think there's more going on with people than we let on. There's some extra thing that's happening with human beings, the way we're all connected to each other that we don't really totally understand. And I think the idea that you can access information that's not local, I don't think that's that weird. I think that might be an emerging aspect of human consciousness, or an aspect of human consciousness that's atrophied.

• 52:10Speaker 03

  Or just an aspect of spirituality that we've previously forgotten because we're in such a digital age that kind of programs you into the rat race. And I think people, the more that they're kind of like, you know, there has to be more to life than just like a nine to five. And, you know, working for this aspect of materialism, like, don't get me wrong, I like, you know, a nice car and a clean house and all that. But, you know, there's also this aspect of, you know, being a human and like, you know, if you have kids, I think that's like one of the things, like, I have, you have a daughter, I have a son. And it's like, when you're a parent, it kind of like makes you realize like, wow, there's this aspect of like, love that I didn't know existed before. And you can kind of really be there and help, you know, grow this next human and influence that person. And it just kind of, the human experience is something that, you know, you can make it as special

• 52:53Speaker 03

  as you want. And this aspect of, you know, us being able to have those little quantum breadcrumbs is what I like to call them. Like, have you ever, have you ever been like talking about something and like, you'll go somewhere, hear something, and there's like confirmation of what you've been talking about? Or, you know, something happens and you're like, you know, asking a question, then all of a sudden it pops up, kind of there's an answer. And I think that those little things just mean you're on the right path and doing what you're supposed to do in this bigger picture.

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

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• 55:22Joe Rogan?

  I wonder like, why some people seem to have, like, the idea of it being an emerging aspect of human consciousness, our ability to like, sense things and know things that are gonna happen, or our ability... Premonition. Or know if someone's a liar, or a weirdo, like, instantly. Those, I always wonder, if, is it that? Or is it that we used to have that, like, before language? That's all we had?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  I think that before tech really evolved, there was a bigger aspect of spirituality that actually talks about that. So like discernment in the Bible, you can talk about, you know, this aspect of being, people say like, oh, if someone has like really bad energy, you're picking up on it. There's something to that. But I think that because, and it's really happened, I think, in the last like 40 years, where people are kind of forgetting that. But when you actually go back to, like, for example, we're talking just now about the Ark of the Covenant, the Ethiopian Orthodox texts and all this. There's more of that aspect of spirituality that I think's been removed from society. I think it's actually taken away our ability to really respect one another and, and value human life. And I think that that, you know, from like a Politico perspective influences

• 56:35Speaker 03

  decision, like you get really pro-war people, those people are usually not that spiritual and they really don't have a value for life in that aspect.

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, that's definitely a real thing. That's unfortunate that there's a, and the fact that those are the type of people that always want to be in power.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  They are, they're the worst type.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's probably the scariest part of it.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  I have, I actually had a really groundbreaking conversation. So like, the way I'll describe Congress is, you ever have like a job where 80% of it, 90% of it's just like really eating shit? And then like the 10% is like really cool?

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  And it makes up for that like 80, 90% that you're just like, I-

• 57:13Joe Rogan?

  That's when I hosted Fear Factor.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Okay, so that, yeah, that aspect of, I think really exists in politics if you like actually care. And I had a meeting recently where I was with two other members of Congress that were helping me with the JFK investigation. And we actually met for the first time since 1990 with the ambassador to the Russian government. And I bring that up because at the time of the JFK assassination, the KGB had actually come forward with their own independent investigation and they actually gave it at Kennedy's funeral to US officials. We never got those documents and it's my belief that the CIA actually destroyed that information and evidence because it would have confirmed what this, the KGB. And mind you, at the time, JFK was actually in talks with the president of Russia at

• 58:00Speaker 03

  that time and his perspective is that he actually wanted to do a joint mission between the US government and the Russian government to the moon. And there are aspects and divisions within the intelligence community. You obviously saw the Cold War was happening, they wanted war in Cuba, they wanted war with Russia. So for them to be able to say that Kennedy, who was not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer and how dare he talk to these dirty communists, I mean, that in itself would have given them any ammunition to turn a blind eye or at least not fully figure out who assassinated Kennedy. But I bring that up to say that, you know, when you have these people in power, you can see a lot of it in regards to, there's a summit on the 15th actually with President Trump and Vladimir Putin. And I think the aspect of, you know, anytime you have peace and trade, it's way better

• 58:43Speaker 03

  than war for everyone involved, for the people of Ukraine, for Russia, for the American people. And I think for the surrounding regions, like I recently got back from meeting with government officials in Romania and Moldova. And it didn't matter if, and I actually had met an actual member of the Moldovan government who was a communist, like an outward communist. And it didn't matter who I talked to, everyone wanted peace. And then when we had met with the European Parliament and the EU, some of them wanted peace, but then the countries that had the shittiest economies, excuse my language, they were the ones that were advocating for war. Well, you have a war-based economy, it always helps your economy. So if you have terrible policy perspectives, obviously you would advocate for something like that. But it just goes to show that the people that are going through it, the people that are living it, that are directly impacted it, no one would advocate for war.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  And so in even just having this conversation, you know, a lot of people even, you know, two, two administration ago, maybe two administrations ago, probably would not have had that conversation. But to be able to develop that dialogue, the end result of that meeting was the Russian government agreed to release their investigation onto JFK that...

• 59:49Speaker 03

  The previous Congressional Task Force in the 90s had tried to obtain from the Russian government and they said no, so they agreed to release that and they'll be posting it publicly for the American people to go through later on this fall.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen it yet?

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  I haven't. So I'll be seeing it at the same time everyone else does.

• 1:00:02Joe Rogan?

  What do you think is in there? If you had to guess?

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  So, when I was talking to the ambassador, he's actually a history buff too, and so he had actually said that the Russian government, when Oswald was actually in Russia, had done a psychological profile because they thought, you know, they're like, is this guy part of American intelligence? Like, what's his story? And they thought he was basically nuts, and apparently he had tried to go hunting when he was out there and they were observing him and he couldn't shoot for shit. So they're like, you know, he didn't meet our psychological profile. Then he shows up to the Russian Embassy in Mexico City with a gun and they're like, what the hell is that? Like, crazy guys showing up at that? Like, what's going on? And then we find out simultaneously, as this is all happening, that the CIA, kudos

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  to Director Radcliffe, had actually released something called the Joanides File. And George Joanides was actually, he's basically our version of James Bond, but more corrupt. And he was basically observing Oswald. He had lied to Congress. This was all in his file. He was then the CIA liaison to Congress during the investigations, stonewalled their investigations, was later awarded something from the CIA. So we have the CIA admitting that they lied to Congress, covered up the assassination attempt, or covered up the investigations. We had admissions from the Warren Commission, people that had been subject to the Warren Commission's investigations, saying that the Warren Commission engaged in witness intimidation. They omitted evidence. The single bullet theory never exists.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  The CIA admits that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a lone gunman. People ask, well, you know, does this mean that you'll ever get the name of who killed him? No, because I don't think the CIA was like, kill JFK on this day and use this gun and have this person assigned. But there was evidence of multiple shooters, for sure.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, there had to be multiple shooters. There's injuries, like, one of them was to the front of his neck.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  We had testimony to that.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  And actually, what's interesting is when we first launched the task force, we had left-leaning news outlets that were trying to write hit pieces, saying that I was basically launching a conspiracy theory task force. And they had to print the truth weeks ago. You can actually pull up-

• 1:02:06Joe Rogan?

  What is it about people that don't want to believe that some conspiracies are real? Is it a comfort thing? Is it you think you're gonna erode trust in the government? Is it you just have such a rigid worldview and in your mind that there's always been Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? That's what happened. And because of that, anything that challenges your belief system, you fight against?

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  Well, specifically to JFK for decades, the intelligence agencies were influencing what the print and press was doing.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  100%. Until Geraldo Rivera, you know, when Dick Gregory brought that film on the Geraldo Rivera show, and you got to see the Zapruder film, and you got to see what looks like a shot that makes his head go back into the left.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the direction-

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Which would indicate he got shot from the front. I think he got shot multiple times by multiple shooters from multiple different directions, and I don't think necessarily Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't in on it.

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  Well-

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Here's the problem. People say, "Oh, Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't shoot." You don't have to be that good with a rifle to be, you're on a ledge, so you have a secure rest. If your rifle's sighted in, and they said his scope was off, but that doesn't mean shit. Because you could just drop your scope and it's off. Like, all you have to do is take your rifle off of that ledge, drop it on the ground, and now that scope is off. You never drop your gun like that. And if you do, you can knock your scope off.

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  Well, there's multiple problems though, because the Warren Commission actually never even put into their report, right? So like, if you're conducting-

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, let me finish. Let me finish. My point is, that wasn't a far shot. It was like, what was it, 140 yards from the book depository with a scope?

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, he should have been able to take the shots.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  No, you could kill a guy like that, and he could have been the shooter. He could have been one of the shooters. But I think there's too much witness testimony, there's too much evidence, there's too- The whole idea of the magic bullet theory was just because they had to account for all the wounds in the bodies with just three bullets. And they found a guy who got hit in the overpass, in the underpass, rather. He got hit with a ricochet. Yeah. So now they knew that bullet couldn't have hit Kennedy or Connally. So how do you attribute all these wounds to two different guys from multiple gunshots to a single bullet?

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  It's a magic bullet, don't you know?

• 1:04:20Joe Rogan?

  You have to find this bullet that fucking for sure didn't hit any bones. And there's more fragments in Connolly's wrist than there were missing from the bullet. The bullet looks almost pristine. It looks like they shot it through like feathers, or they shot it into water, which is what they do when they do ballistics tests on rifles.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  Well, what's interesting is, is the Warren Commission did omit multiple female witnesses who were actually at the book depository that day that actually stated that they had never witnessed Oswald actually in the location or going down the back of the book depository. So that's interesting fact.

• 1:04:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's possible that he could have snuck past them. There was a lot of chaos. You hear gunshots, the president shot. People don't always think straight when things are going nutty. People have a terrible memory right after traumatic events.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, yes and no. Like, he might have been there, or he might not have been there. He might have shot at Kennedy, or he might not have shot at Kennedy. But for sure, he was some sort of a government operative. For sure, he was traveling back and forth from Russia. He married a Russian citizen. There was a lot of weird shit with that guy.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  He was under surveillance by the CIA. So there's a lot there. However, I will say this. What the official narrative was, we now know is BS, right?

• 1:05:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that I thought from the beginning.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, but a lot of the American people did, but to have their own government say, no, that's not true, to gaslight them, and to push this narrative of if you question it, you're wrong, you're crazy. That in itself, I think, when you're talking about like, why do the American people not trust their government? It's really this fracture that starts around the Kennedy era and timeframe. And you can see then that distrust kind of evolves. But why do, going back to your original question, why do people refuse to kind of question conspiracy theory? Maybe there's some substance to it. And I think it's because it's more comfortable for people, from a psychological perspective, to live in this comfort area that their government might not do something like that.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Or might not try to cover up something like that, because that's just an easy way of life. But, look.

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  It's too scary.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  It's too scary, but the fact is, is that, look, I've traveled a lot, I've dealt with a lot of world leaders. We are still the greatest country in the world. Make no excuse about that. But it doesn't mean that we can't call out and hold our own government and officials accountable. And so that's kind of what I've guessed my mission has been, this Congress, and what I hope that it will continue to be. But I'm not trying to do this for like even the next 10 years. So for someone like me, you know, people are like, oh, initially, you're going to ruin your political career talking about this. This is crazy. Why would you even want to do that? And then, you know, they're seeing all these big wins coming out in regards to transparency. And I will say, had it not been for the secretaries that have been appointed by this administration, this wouldn't have happened because in, under President Biden, he actually also tried to

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  declassify things pertaining to JFK and the National Archives never released it. And so in addition to-

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  That's not a good sign. None of that stuff's a good sign. Like, if you want trust from the American people, do you release information? If you want us to distrust you, you hide everything. And you're hiding everything on one of the most important events in human history.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  They were up until recently. And we're still, documents that the JFK community, because mind you, I'm actually working with, his name's Jefferson Morley, he is not a Republican, he's a Bernie Sanders Democrat. But on this issue, we're working great together. And he's actually been helping me and he's like, "Look, I've been waiting for this stuff for like 30 years."

• 1:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is a hugely bipartisan issue.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's super bipartisan.

• 1:07:34Joe Rogan?

  This is something we can all get together. That and UFOs, which is the one thing Democrats and Republicans both completely agree on. Like, tell us what's up. Tell us what's up. Who killed them and are they real? That's, those are two giant questions that we all have.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  I think they're real. The other part is still outstanding, but hopefully when the documents are released from the Russian government later on this fall, that might be able to provide a full picture. Granted, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt because it's still, you know, it was written by the KGB. But at the end of the day-

• 1:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  We have a good mosaic that's been put together with at least the documents that have been released with this administration. And for any outstanding documents, I actually have a team assigned to me from the CIA that is actually helping me chase down these documents. And I've already had some interesting experiences, like, not creepy, but for example, after President Trump signed the executive order, and Radcliffe has been super helpful, we actually were made aware of this, allegedly, there had been a document that was at the CIA that was a report from the inspector general that had implicated the CIA allegedly in the assassination of JFK. So I'm following up on this lead and trying to find this report. And the Archives is like, "We don't have any documentation of this. The CIA says they don't have any documentation." And they've been good with us so far. So I go to the Archives because they're like, "We found this weird bag, though, and it's

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  in this SCIF and it's been here for-" Five years and it was left by our former attorney for the archives and so we didn't know what's in it and I was like, we'll go open it. They're like, well, we don't have the key and it's in a vault. And I said, well, I'm coming over. So I drive over, literally, I like put my son in the car. I get in the car and I go over to the National Archives. We go into the SCIF, I pull out this bag and I'm like, does anyone have scissors? And we like cut open this little folder and there was a CD-ROM in it and this is again been declassified now, so I can talk about it. But there was this CD-ROM of a ton of wires from the State Department. Some of the wires were pertaining to the Kennedy family and it was actually a WikiLeaks document. And so I think the reason why it was kept at the archives is because you're not actually supposed to have these documents on government

• 1:09:31Speaker 03

  computers. WikiLeaks, obviously, you don't have them with that. But here I was like cutting it out of a bag.

• 1:09:36Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That makes sense that you would have the most top secret documents burned on CD-ROMs. That way, no one could ever get access to it by hacking into your computer.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  To this day, I don't know even who left the CD-ROM. I don't know. And there was some other stuff in that that I don't need to get into, but.

• 1:09:54Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you need to get into it?

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  Because I don't want to get in trouble. But the stuff that was on there was interesting. And I think I saw recently Tulsi had actually talked about some of the State Department wires that had been found that, and I think these are the same ones, that had talked about the assassination of RFK. There were wires going out from the State Department prior to his assassination, which is interesting. So our next investigation, so we've done multiple hearings.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean by that? Like, what were, how did they specifically discuss it?

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  Well, that's, I haven't seen the actual wires themselves yet, but what that would imply is that the State Department knew about the assassination before it took place.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, geez.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  So and that was something she talked about.

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Did you get into the MKUltra stuff at all with Jolly West and?

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  So I look at that on my free time, but that's not the purview of the task force. But there is stuff that you can, again, CIA.gov/ReadingRoom, super creepy. I did find a document on the archives website that actually ties the initial phases of the MKUltra program to Operation Paperclip.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Interesting. And so.

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense, right?

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  It is there and I'm, I'm, I'm reading this to my husband.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Because for sure, the Nazis were experimenting on drugs with people.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  They're doing a lot of bad stuff.

• 1:11:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they were doing a lot of horrible stuff. But for sure, they were experimenting on. Their soldiers and on prisoners and they're experimenting on all kinds of people.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  Creepy stuff.

• 1:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and if we took some of that and applied it, the Jack Ruby connection to it is that Jolly West went to visit Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald. And Jack Ruby was like, pretty rational before then. And then after Jolly West leaves, he's like freaking out, seeing things that aren't there. I think he said something about Jews, he could see Jews burning alive.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  Like a psychosis state.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Full on, lost it, most likely got dosed the fuck with acid. Most likely Jolly West just hit him with a fucking giant.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  That's a terrible way to go.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Shot glass of acid. It doesn't like, he went so far off the deep end, then he died later, I think he died a few years later of cancer, but I think he completely lost his mind after Jolly West visited him. And Jolly West was, he was involved with the Manson family thing, he was involved with Operation Midnight Climax where they, they had brothels, the CIA was running brothels. And they would get these Johns to come in with the prostitutes and the prostitutes would give them acid and they didn't know it. And so they were sitting there and there was two-way mirrors and they were filming them. Why these guys were like. For blackmail. Well, for blackmail, for observation, they, they knew these people were never gonna

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  say, hey, you did that to me, you know, look what the government did, dosed me up with acid, because they're not gonna admit they went to a brothel. So you have like the perfect group of people to victimize and just try stuff on.

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  Well, and they got in trouble for it too, like the CIA had to do payouts, they were getting sued for it, and then when all this did flush out, I mean, you know, it's always, I feel like.

• 1:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Freedom of Information Act was the only, and then they found a bunch of documents. They found documents that were, I forget who found, I forget, Tom O'Neill, who wrote the book Chaos, goes into great detail about this. It's all about the Manson family and MKUltra, it's a fantastic book.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Well, even just this conversation right now, there's such a stigma that exists around it because it's such a spooky topic.

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and you don't want to look stupid.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  You don't want to look stupid, and so look, anyone watching this can go look at this information, go to CIA.gov/readingroom and know it's not gonna like be a phishing website that's gonna steal your information, but like you can find.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  For sure it is.

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  The CIA is like, "We're already accessing."

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

  Pretty sure.

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  But, you know, it's always been one of those things in that, you know, if people ask me, I'm just very transparent about it. And I will say, something that started out with a stigma of being, you know, this conspiracy theory investigation wasting taxpayer dollars has been arguably one of the coolest task forces in Congress, I think, and we have a lot of good people that are behind it and...

• 1:13:45Joe Rogan?

  I think the tide is turning on that kind of thinking, that these conspiracy theories are silly to pursue. Like, some of them, yeah, some of them are silly.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  Some are crazy, but some are true.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  But that doesn't mean that some are true. Also, there's a time-honored tactic of taking... Look, if I was an intelligence community, and I'm not accusing anybody of doing this, but if I was an intelligence community and I had some truth that was very inconvenient to a narrative, and I wanted to label that truth as being a preposterous conspiracy theory, I'd add a bunch of kooky shit to it.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  Or have disinformation campaigns.

• 1:14:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or dole it out to the nuttiest people on the internet. Dole it out to the craziest people. "You know this guy's got a drinking problem, and he's got a conspiracy theory website."

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  Or take a little and spin it.

• 1:14:32Joe Rogan?

  Get it to him.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Get it to him, and tell him you're helping him out. You're gonna give him some insider information. Get him to spread a bunch of kooky stuff so that when that stuff gets disproven, the other thing's attached to it, so the other thing looks stupid too. And that's what I would do.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've had our fill. Like, the one thing I wanted to do when I first got the task force is open up a SCIF to any person who held a clearance to come brief us on what they knew about UAPs. And I can tell you that we've now had the SCIF...

• 1:14:56Joe Rogan?

  What was the first conversation like? When the door shuts and you're like, "Oh, boy, I'm gonna get the goods."

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  Well, the problem is, is I've reached out to some of the biggest names in UFO lore, okay? And they all got SCIF flu. And we call it SCIF flu, meaning like, the day that the SCIF was open, that we reserved it, we're like, "We're here, like, come on, come brief us." They get sick or their dog dies.

• 1:15:15Joe Rogan?

  And they didn't recover and come back?

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  They didn't recover and then they just don't talk to us anymore. So

• 1:15:18Joe Rogan?

  They ghost you?

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  They ghost us.

• 1:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm like, well, if you're not gonna tell me to skip, then you're full of crap.

• 1:15:23Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:06Joe Rogan?

  Middle of the night.

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  But if people say they're gonna go tell us in a skiff and then they don't show up, it's a problem, right?

• 1:17:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, I understand. But maybe those people don't feel like the government's gonna protect them.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  That is one of the biggest things that we've had people bring up is that you're a whistleblower, but whistleblower protections only go so far. And you can't do anything for my physical safety. And some of them do allege that there's these actual physical concerns. We actually had someone that we wanted to bring in to testify because our next hearing on UAP is gonna be, I believe it's next month. And the individual that was actually told to us by David Grush is actually a former combat controller. And so my husband, Air Force Special Operator Combat Control. So we knew the guy via some friends. So we knew that the guy wasn't nuts or crazy. And reached out to him and he did not want to come in. He wanted nothing to do with it. Was like, I am not touching this. And so, you know, that, stuff like that happens.

• 1:17:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, you put those folks on TV, right?

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  Well, we don't have to. We can do private, but if we testify.

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. If it comes time where they have to testify.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:05Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of time in between people finding out that this guy came and told you guys what's up to testify.

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  Don't freak out our witnesses, Jeff.

• 1:18:12Joe Rogan?

  But that's the problem.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  No one's gonna testify to us now.

• 1:18:15Joe Rogan?

  What I was talking about is what's being advocated in the documentary that to me makes perfect sense is mass amnesty. Now, here's the bad part, for sure. You're dealing with enormous sums of money, and I'm sure people got really rich off of that. And I'm sure it's super illegal, if it's real.

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  What, the back engineering?

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Potential?

• 1:18:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, and also, the competitive advantage. You would give Company A, if this company gets access to a down craft that can traverse space and time, that can move through the universe instantaneously, that utilizes an unknown element, that has some unknown process of defying gravity. It's utilizing no interior mechanisms of control. Everything is done with the mind of the pilot. If this is the truth, if this is what they're saying, and these are the kind of things they find, that getting to a contractor would be a massive advantage over the other contractor that also should be on equal standing with the government, right? They both make Jets, they both make whatever it is.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, what do you do? Do you divvy up your spaceships in between these folks? Like, are they the only ones who get to know it? And then where, how do private contractor, contractors? How are they the gatekeepers of the most important information in the world if it's true?

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  Well, so, and that brings us to what happened at Eglin Air Force Base. So, in a nutshell, we had been told by, so Representative Gates had come forward and said that he had, two or three pilots had to contact him, saying that the Air Force was covering up information regarding to UAP activity in the panel, handle, and he wanted us to go with him to investigate. So we show up at Eglin Air Force Base, we're met by the base commander. Previous to us even showing up on this congressional delegation to investigate, the Pentagon had tried to cancel the meeting. And you can't, so this was under the last administration, so you can't just cancel a meeting and say, you can't come to the base. That doesn't work. So Gates actually was on House Armed Services at the time that oversees the US military.

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  And so Gates got the chairman involved, calls back on to the Pentagon, gets this meeting on the books, and, you know, we were told them specifically, we want to see information on UAPs, we want to see the evidence, and we want to have the pilots that saw these aircraft, whatever they are, or these spacecraft, we want to have briefings from them. In a nutshell, we get to Eglin Air Force Base. They keep BSs, are BSing us about the Chinese spy balloon, that's not what we were there to see. And ultimately, we were in the skiff. We got into a verbal disagreement with the base commander at the time, who was denying us access to the pilots and to the information, and said that we didn't have the authorization. In the skiff, there was many members of the intelligence community.

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  We then go back upstairs to the conference room and proceed to, again, basically have it out with this commander. And Representative Burchett said, you know, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. You choose, sir.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like a movie?

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  Kind of, but it was, at the time, like-

• 1:21:13Joe Rogan?

  I like it when people use a movie.

• 1:21:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, the easy way or the hard way. And if it's the hard way, you're gonna have, you know, Representative Gates and Luna in DC questioning you, so I suggest you do it the easy way. So he, actually, in the middle of the meeting, you know, we were kind of holding his feet to the fire on it. He like kinda got nervous as we were talking to him and he, I kid you not, he goes, you know, they're gonna like that, I'm not gonna let you see this. So he like kinda was like thinking out loud, but didn't realize that he was basically saying it. And then in the middle of our meeting, he gets up and leaves the room, like I have to go to the restroom or something. And then maybe like five minutes later, this tech sergeant comes in and says, oh, the base commander's been authorized to go and leave to Georgia, he won't be coming back. And I'm sitting there looking at Gates and Burge, I'm like,

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  he just left? Like in the middle of a congressional delegation? Like that's never happened.

• 1:22:01Joe Rogan?

  So he said out loud, they would be happy that I'm not telling you?

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, like verbally articulated it, Gates was there, my husband was there, Burge was there.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  It's just like if that guy's, he's in a powerless situation, right? If he does give you access.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  He's gonna get in trouble.

• 1:22:21Joe Rogan?

  He's in, he might be really in trouble, you know, like.

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  But here's the problem, he can't, even if it was someone at the, like the Secretary of Defense, right? Because at the time, this got pretty high level.

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying it's not illegal.

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. He still, at the end of the day, you're in the military, how our government functions is the military does not decide what the civilian sector and what representatives can and cannot see. It's not supposed to function like that. So he got up and left. Like I've never seen this happen. I was in the military, I've never seen like in the middle of a congressional delegation, these are big deals, you just get up and go and leave to Georgia and you just don't come back? Like in the middle of a meeting? It never happens.

• 1:23:02Joe Rogan?

  What state were you in the time?

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  We were in Florida. He just like got up and like drove to Georgia, like what the hell are you doing, George, in the middle of a congressional delegation?

• 1:23:09Joe Rogan?

  I'm going fishing.

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  See ya. And then his second, his second in command comes in and they managed to get one pilot to come down and brief us. And what I will tell you is, I will say it, Representative Gates has gone on record, he actually did as soon as he left office, that we've seen stuff that I don't believe was created by. Vankind.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  So, you can't tell us what you saw, but...

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  I'm gonna let you infer.

• 1:23:34Joe Rogan?

  Infer. Um, see, th- this is the problem that I have with all this stuff.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  Is you should be able to, I should be able to tell you without losing my clearance.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just that, that people that have that information should give that information to the general public.

• 1:23:48Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  And stop treating us like you're smarter than us and that you can handle it and we can't, that's silly.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  Which is why we have to declassify, which is why...

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  You know the Hal Puthoff stuff?

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so, okay, Hal Puthoff during the Bush administration was assigned, he was one of many scientists, and this is also in the age of disclosure, he was one of many scientists that was assigned to put a numerical value to pros and cons of UFO disclosure. So, they said to him, "We have a crashed UFO that we have been back-engineering, and we want to release information to society to let people know that UFOs are real."

• 1:24:25Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  And that there is something else out there that's not us, that's much more intelligent than we are. So, they have this list of pros and cons, banking, religion, societal structure, you know, everything, everything on one side. And then the pros, like, you know, whatever the positive aspects of it would be. And every single scientist said that the cons outweighed the pros, and he said, "I would have loved to have had disclosure, but this was just what they asked me to do." They asked me to compile numbers and to do it in a way that's super-objective. And he said, "Look, if I'm doing my job, this is where I think it would completely wreck

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  our government, completely wreck any idea that the people that are in charge of us have any position of authority, when there's something that can go a hundred, million times faster than we think is physically possible through the universe, appear out of nowhere, stop all of our nuclear programs, shut down bases, do weird shit."

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  But don't you think that that's where kind of, it's been interesting, because society has moved away from this aspect of like, having a spiritual grounding and even believing and like, you know, most people today, I think, when you talk about like, praying... Even that whole concept is kind of just like, oh, you know, they're just... And I feel like that thing's kind of poo-pooed, but if you have like a grounding in that, and going back to what I was saying earlier, I think that that's not like, I don't think that society would do that. Granted, I'm not a scientist, I'm not running numbers, but just based on how we've kind of been evolving with access to information and kind of the questions, the discussions that have been happening, not just here, but I think internationally, I just think a lot's changing. Now, to say that we were, you know, and I've heard some wild theories, like people think

• 1:26:11Speaker 03

  that, you know, humanity was seeded by UFOs, and I don't agree with that theory. I'm going to address it because...

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun one.

• 1:26:18Speaker 03

  It's an interesting theory.

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  If you found out it was true, would you tell everybody?

• 1:26:21Speaker 03

  I mean, I'd be transparent about it, but I just like, don't personally believe it.

• 1:26:24Joe Rogan?

  But would you believe it if you found out that was the information?

• 1:26:27Speaker 03

  I mean...

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  That the government had had?

• 1:26:29Speaker 03

  Well, I'd put it out there because that's what I'm supposed to do.

• 1:26:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what would that do for your belief system?

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  That would suck.

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  But would it suck, really? Maybe that's what's confusing about the Bible. Maybe what's confusing is that it was an oral tradition for hundreds, if not a thousand years, before it was ever written down, right?

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Well, I think that it depends on what book you're talking about, right?

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, the Old Testament, if you go back to the oldest works of the Bible, weren't most of those stories handed down, generation after generation, and then eventually written down?

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  Written into texts. Well, some of them are written by prophets and then, but I mean, Enoch is apparently supposed to predate even the time of Genesis and talk.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  The nuttiest one is Ezekiel.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, Enoch is even crazier than Ezekiel.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've read it. I just don't... Did you find anything about whether or not Enoch is controversial?

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  You can look up, look up the 4th century.

• 1:27:20Speaker 05

  It was discluded as, I guess, since the 5th century, it wasn't in canon.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  Sorry, 5th century.

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  And why, why did it get discluded?

• 1:27:29Speaker 05

  It says the Jewish scribes or the priests didn't believe, the rabbis didn't believe it was canon.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 1:27:37Speaker 05

  So it's considered, it's regarded as scripture.

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  But what's interesting is, is that even if that's the case, though, you have the Ethiopian Orthodox Church that actually, there's Ethiopian Jews, and that's considered the most pure form of the Bible. So like, you actually have a division of like, the Ethiopian Jewish class that actually recognized Enoch.

• 1:27:55Joe Rogan?

  How weird is it that some rabbis 500 years ago made a call?

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  But that's what I'm saying is like you can't, you can't though discredit it because-

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  That's kinda weird.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  But you can't discredit it because, again, like when you have people removing books, I just, I think, look, and I'm not telling people what to believe, I'm just saying you should take a look at it.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here it is. "The main reason for the Jewish rejection of the book is that it's inconsistent with the teachings of the Torah. From the standpoint of rabbinic, how do you say that? Rabbinic?

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  Rabbinic.

• 1:28:24Joe Rogan?

  Rabbinic Judaism, sorry. Uh, the book is considered to be heretical. Another reason for the exclusion of the text might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah. For example, Enoch is a mid-rash of Deuteronomy 33. The context, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period. As is illustrated by the comments of Tripfo, the Jew, when debating Justin Martyr on this subject, "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by

• 1:29:09Joe Rogan?

  you, nay, even blasphemous, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God."

• 1:29:15Speaker 03

  So it was a-

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Huh. It seems like some people made a decision that something shouldn't be in there.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, but that's the thing, is it's a disagreement in religion and perspective, but they should have still not removed it. And so it's interesting because then you have, you know, the evolution of what the King James Bible is. We all know that story. He wanted to get remarried, they rewrote it. But you even have the Catholic Bible that has, it's what happened.

• 1:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  And you have the Catholic Bible that had books that were taken out, and then-

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  We have the King James. So I'm not, I'm not saying that, you know, if you read the King James, you're not getting, um, you don't have access to God, that's not what I'm saying. But I am saying that there's a bigger picture here that we need to discuss.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's always a problem when people get involved. And when people get involved in making decisions that this could be real and this could not be- The problem is like all these years later, you're dealing with the repercussions of that. Like imagine a world in which if Enoch was left in the Bible and people were like, wait, what happened? Like, explain the nuttiness of the Book of Enoch to people.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's, okay, so if you read it, it talks about the fall of angels, thus creating really the precursor of civilization that led to the first flood. I think that when you even go into potentially the technology that was given to mankind by these angels, it talks about the hidden beliefs and theories in astronomy, et cetera, metal workings, all of it. But it really does explain, you know, you were talking about earlier, how you have a lot of these religions around the world that kind of say the same thing. This is kind of the OG texts that leads to those stories that we're hearing from many religions around the world, to talk about angels mixing with mankind

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  and then seeding a super essentially race of humans that essentially were responsible for basically damning mankind to the flood. I mean, you hear about stuff in Greek and Roman mythology, people who had these super crazy powers. And you, you talk about it out loud and it sounds crazy, but that's what the book says. And then the fact that it was taken out and then it's papooed, yet you have one of the oldest religions in the world, be it the Ethiopians, that actually still have it. You have, you know, the Catholic Church that has books that are missing out of the King James Version. I'm just saying that, you know, when you read it, you should read it and decide for yourself. Don't listen to what I'm saying, don't listen to what you're saying, but truly give it a chance and see what you have to say. And then, you know, you're going back to this whole concept of if you have this information pertaining to UAPs,

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  whatever might, they, they might be, the origins. I mean, if you have a understanding of what Enoch was talking about, it kind of makes sense.

• 1:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I go back to my, my thoughts on all this stuff. It's like, no, very few people could even read back then. Very few people could write, right? So you're not gonna write, you're, you're probably going to try to capture a truth. You're probably not writing necessarily to deceive people and make up a story.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  So the question is with all this stuff is like, what was the original truth that they were trying to write down? And how much of it is getting distorted by translations from ancient Hebrew to Latin to Greek?

• 1:32:19Speaker 03

  Or Arabic to English?

• 1:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, how much of it?

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  And there's a thing-

• 1:32:22Joe Rogan?

  And is it possible to even understand what they're saying without understanding the language? And my friend Rick Strassmann, he's a very fascinating guy, brilliant guy. One of the things that he did is he taught himself ancient Hebrew, so he could read the Bible in ancient Hebrew. It took him 16 years.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:32:41Joe Rogan?

  But he did it because he's like, "I want to know it in that language."

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Direct translation. I mean, that's smart, because there's always an aspect of translation where you lose certain implications.

• 1:32:51Joe Rogan?

  Sure. If you're playing the telephone game, you want to be second. You don't want to be 15th.

• 1:32:54Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:32:55Joe Rogan?

  And whoever was writing it down the earliest, that's probably, you're closer to their depictions of what that truth is than after King James starts fucking around with it and all these other people.

• 1:33:07Speaker 03

  Want a new wife, got to remove her and stuff.

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  All these new people start getting involved. But, boy, when you go to the really old stuff, you know, the really old stuff is very strange.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  The Orthodox, I'm telling you, the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible, I actually had a staffer that went to Ethiopia. She was on a church trip, and she actually brought me back a copy, and she's like, "You can translate it via Google Translation." So kudos to modern-day technology. So I have it in my office. And actually, when I did my swearing-in, I actually did my swearing-in on the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible.

• 1:33:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  It's cool. It's direct translation.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of crazy. It's, you know, I would wonder what the impact to all these religions would be if we had definitive proof that we're not alone. Like, if there was an introduction, like, some sort of an event where they decided, "Look, this government is too secretive with all this information. You're holding back the understanding of these intelligent life forms, that they are not the apex of this planet, nor are they anywhere close to the peak of the intelligence that's available out there in the universe." Just let me show you real quick. And then, what does everybody do now?

• 1:34:18Speaker 03

  Well, I think-

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  What happens to the Mormons?

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  I think that brings us-

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's gonna fucking blow a gasket.

• 1:34:24Speaker 03

  Well, I think that brings us back to square one. So, by the way, I'm by no means saying that, you know, aliens are God. That's not what I'm saying.

• 1:34:30Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 1:34:30Speaker 03

  But I think that brings us back to the fundamental question on, do you believe that God exists? Because if you do, then you realize that our freedom, you know, the freedom of choice, is not a man-given right, but a God-given right. And I think that that goes back to the fundamental principles of like, what we believe in true representation. So if you believe that God is real, God is powerful, then it shouldn't be a king or a man that you're looking to, but to God for divine inspiration and to make your life decisions. That's ultimately what freedom of choice is.

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  But I think even the Catholic Church has acknowledged the idea that if there is intelligent life somewhere else, it doesn't mean that God didn't create it.

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  Well, that's true. And it's interesting is-

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Maybe God just didn't tell you about the neighbors.

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  Well, it does say in Enoch, and then also too, I think in Genesis, that the stars cried out. And so if you're looking, well, a star, if it's not, you know, what do they mean by stars crying out? And then Enoch actually alludes to stars in certain capacities being potentially angels. Now, I'm not saying like, and this is kinda interesting, because, you know, I've had this aspect of my task force, what we've been investigating, but then I have, you know, my personal beliefs and, you know, my religious beliefs. And what I'm telling you is that, in my position officially, I've seen men pervert information to get what they want. So it's not unlikely that an entire, you know, very secret, very truthful text was omitted in an effort to control population and to insert yourself between individuals' relationship between them directly and God.

• 1:35:56Speaker 03

  And I think that, you know-

• 1:35:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially if it doesn't agree with your interpretation of God. I mean, and this is the issue with these rabbis, right?

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, if you're having people determine any information-

• 1:36:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:36:07Speaker 03

  Yes, you should not be able to do that.

• 1:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Just the same thing as the UFO stuff.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  The UFO stuff-

• 1:36:11Joe Rogan?

  No one should be the gatekeeper of information.

• 1:36:13Speaker 03

  Exactly. And hence the transparency on the information.

• 1:36:16Joe Rogan?

  Especially something that's, it should be for all of us. This is nuts.

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  I think we're probably going to be responsible for like the book of Enoch sales probably increase on Amazon.

• 1:36:26Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna buy it. I need to read it now.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  You'll trip out.

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, I wish I could, I mean, I'm sure there's some interpretations of the Dead Sea Scrolls that I could sludge through. But the thing about it is, I could really love to be able to read it in Aramaic. I really wish I could read Aramaic. I just don't have the fucking time to do that.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  You can listen.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  But if I did.

• 1:38:42Speaker 03

  Go on, you should see if there's like an audible.

• 1:38:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure there is, but what I'm saying is, I really, like the Strasman idea of learning ancient Hebrew to be able to read the source material, that's so, that is, that's where it gets really interesting. Cause like, what were these people trying to write about? And if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct, and these folks that believe in the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, you know, the Bible was written a couple thousand years ago. These people that are talking about the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, are talking about a cataclysmic event that wiped out advanced civilization 11,800 years ago.

• 1:39:19Speaker 03

  Well, Plato talks about it, hearing it from Egyptian teachers, and then going back to the Atlantean civilization.

• 1:39:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what was, my point is, what was their Bible?

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  Well, so.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like if you can get back to 11,800 years ago and read what they thought went down? Because I think that's probably where the oral traditions come from. The oral traditions come from the complete collapse of society, rebuild over time, takes forever, and then a re-understanding of what you know to be true about the origin of man and the birth of the universe and the, and why we're here. And, and then you gotta figure out what Jesus is.

• 1:39:57Speaker 03

  Well, so, I actually, when I was in my early twenties, I actually went to Egypt to see the megalithic structures there. And then I went to Turkey to see the Sumerian inscriptions and carvings on what they thought the ancient Sumerian gods were, the Anunnaki, all of that. What's interesting is in Enoch, it actually has reference to the Anunnaki, but a different, I think it's like Anu is like the term, the root term that's used for it, so.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Have you read the Zecharis Hitchens stuff?

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you know of it?

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  I have heard of it, yeah.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the most fun.

• 1:40:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I will say with all of that going back to if you read Enoch and then follow about the fall of mankind and the angels with, you know, and this is Christian theology, right, so like angels came down, rebelled against God, interbred with humankind, that would be, I think, a good starting point for what potentially the Anunnaki were.

• 1:40:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, God probably didn't like that they were coming around and taking the ancient hominids and juicing them up. Juicing them up, make them chess champions.

• 1:40:57Speaker 03

  Heaven did not approve.

• 1:40:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's probably against the code of the universe. God probably says, "Look, you can go visit, but don't mess around with it."

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  Well, there's definitely something to be said, it actually talks about this in Enoch, about a divine justice, and so I think, you know, again, going back to what is our job, you know, how would society function, you have aspects in like government, do you trust your government, is government going to follow through and bring accountability, you know, that's our job at the same sense, and that we have to ensure that if we are to truly have an equal and fair society, that you have to have this aspect of justice that has to be carried out. And I, you know, I can go back to something that I've found kind of crazy, but, you know, the mandatory minimums for child predators are not that high in this country, and so Congress can actually increase the mandatory minimums, but there's been a lot of lethargy about that, and it's like, why would you, you know, not want to increase it, some people

• 1:41:49Speaker 03

  are against the death penalty, and I would say that it's not, you know, my job to play God or to judge people, just to help to arrange the meeting.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, I, it's a weird job, right? I mean, you're involved in the disclosure of things that have questioned, that people have questioned forever. I mean, these are, those are the huge questions that exist from the 1960s on. UFOs, JFK, Mark Luther King.

• 1:42:17Speaker 03

  MLK, RFK.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  RFK. Those are the big ones.

• 1:42:19Speaker 03

  We're pushing for it, and there's a good group of people that are assigned to it. I did say recently, so the MLK documents just came out, and we're wrapping up our JFK investigation. So after we finalize the JFK investigation, we're putting out an official congressional report on our findings, and people can read it and decide for themselves. And then we have RFK and then MLK. But I think a lot of the MLK family was actually very concerned that we were going to go into extracurricular, and that's not the objective of the task force. It's to specifically expose what the government was doing if they knew about the potential threats. And people say, "Well, why do we care about ..." I constantly get, "Well, we shouldn't care about this." No, you should, because there has to be a check and balance. And when you know if the CIA was operating outside the purview of the federal government,

• 1:43:01Speaker 03

  if you know that whistleblowers are being punished, if there needs to be reform to the FOIA Act, all this stuff, then we have to be able to put forward legislation to ensure it doesn't happen again. And what's been very interesting and almost serendipitous about the whole JFK investigation is you have President Trump now in the second term that's released all this information. And multiple presidents tried to, but they were worked against by their own secretaries within these agencies and then deep-sea actors that tried to block the efforts for release. Now you're seeing kind of a flush of the system, and even though information hasn't come out as fast as we would like it to, the fact that they've made these admissions is really good. But moving forward into how do you prevent this from happening again, it's people really

• 1:43:45Speaker 03

  do, like, young people especially, because there's so much fatigue for people that have been in office for, you know, and the reason I say that, like, I don't even want to do this for the next 10 years is because everyone, even people I've looked up to, after a certain amount of time, they lose their edge. And I think that that's because, like, you're up there, you're taking in a lot of incoming. It's not a fun job, like, you're getting attacked, like, you're getting beat down. It's stressful, but ... If you can put all your energy in it now and then you can cut ties and pass it on, that's how our founding fathers wanted us to do it, is like pass the torch, stand up the next generation.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, but we have a bunch of career politicians that want to stay in office for 50, 60 years.

• 1:44:20Speaker 03

  Correct, and that's a problem, and it's on both sides.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's on both sides.

• 1:44:24Speaker 03

  So I'm trying to do a discharge petition now on term limits. So back in January of my first term, so back in January of 2022, I'm sure you saw there was like this massive speakers fight about confirming Kevin McCarthy as the Speaker of the House. And I was part of one of those 20 that said, "We're not going to vote for you just yet. We need to reform the institution and the way that we function." Because power had been consolidated within the Speaker's position, so much so that how it's supposed to work is you're supposed to be able to bring a bill forward, that bill's supposed to come to the floor. All of these policies were being consolidated in one person, and if you didn't fall in line, you wouldn't get committee assignments, you wouldn't be able to fundraise. They would

• 1:45:06Speaker 03

  basically cut off all aspects of fundraising in Washington. And the mainstream media for a while was like, "You guys are disrupting the process, you know, like you guys are fighting." Well, what the hell do you want Congress to do? You want us to just fall in line and not argue our principles? Like, last time I checked, you're supposed to fight for that. And so we were able to reform the institution, but one of the things that we had negotiated with the former Speaker was, we wanted a vote on term limits, and that never came up. And so now, because of our very slim majority, one of the most slim majorities in US history, we have the ability to do something called a discharge petition, and it's where you can physically go down and basically collect signatures on a bill. And so I'm bringing forward two that have already been filed. One is going to be to force a vote on term limits, so I'm going to see if members of Congress will actually

• 1:45:49Speaker 03

  put their name to actually bring that bill to the floor. There's going to be a massive, I hope, pressure campaign to activate members to do that. And then the other one is banning insider trading.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's been talked about for a while.

• 1:45:59Speaker 03

  But hasn't been done. And we can do it now.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Nancy just needs a little more money and then she'll quit.

• 1:46:05Speaker 03

  You know, there was a comms director meeting for the entire GOP and I'm calling up Burchett's bill on banning insider trading and we were not invited to that, to that meeting. Our staff was excommunicated from that.

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  I wonder why?

• 1:46:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. Something about making money.

• 1:46:20Joe Rogan?

  How weird. Shocker. It's crazy how openly corrupt that part of the business is, but the thing is, once you've become accustomed to be able to do something and you've been able to do it for decades, you're very reluctant to give that up. Why would you give that up? That's a huge advantage.

• 1:46:34Speaker 03

  People say that it doesn't exist, but last time I checked, when you are given access to CEOs, when you're given access to information that are affecting markets and then you're on the committee that has purview over those bills, you do have information.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Seems like you have a little, you have a little more than the average person.

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  And there's a lot. You can look at people's, they go in, you're making 175 a year and then all of a sudden you come out, you're worth like 20 million, 200 million. It's kinda shady.

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. You're not really gambling.

• 1:47:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:47:03Joe Rogan?

  The stock market is kind of gambling. You know, the UFC doesn't even allow me to gamble and I can't even affect the outcome.

• 1:47:08Speaker 03

  But yeah, so you can't do it, but Congress can.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  But Congress can, you know?

• 1:47:13Speaker 03

  For now at least.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  The inside information that I have, anybody could have, mostly. Not really. No, that's not true. No, I know some stuff sometimes, unfortunately.

• 1:47:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was told if I forced a vote that I was going to cost us the republic is what I was told.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  But the thing about the insider trading thing is, the amount of money is so egregious. Like, isn't Pelosi now worth 400 million? Wasn't that the...

• 1:47:36Speaker 03

  It's upwards, I saw upwards of 200 million, but...

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  I thought she jacked up her portfolio recently significantly.

• 1:47:42Speaker 03

  But it's not just her, it's on both sides.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, no, she's just the poster lady, unfortunately. No slight at her. It's all across the board. If you look at how many people, it's red, blue, red, blue, it's the whole thing. Everybody's doing it.

• 1:47:55Speaker 03

  I told my husband, I was like, we're not going to do stocks because it's just, that's the one thing, you can talk to anyone. I actually was reading an article, so, and the local press are like, Rep. Luna's trying to force a vote on this, right? And so like, I'm always the kind of redheaded stepchild usually, especially in dumb circles. But this one lady posted, I actually started laughing, she goes, "Well, a broken clock is right twice a day." And I started laughing because I'm like, it's such like a bipartisan issue, like over 80% of Americans don't think that Congress should be able to trade stock. And it's true because we're given access to information and that that's truly influencing your decision.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you ask her what the rest of you are wrong about?

• 1:48:31Speaker 03

  I mean, I tend to, I think it's just... I think it's party associations, like some people just will never vote.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  A brown pink clock.

• 1:48:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, but.

• 1:48:40Joe Rogan?

  People are rabid and they're super upset now, obviously, because Trump's in office again. So that that rabid nature has been over amplified.

• 1:48:49Speaker 03

  It has. I think a lot of it, though, is driven by like bot activity, I think, is really big. I can tell you that when I first launched the task force, people were like, she's an intelligence asset. She's never going to release information. Then it came out that I actually don't have declassification authority. But we have been able to produce wins and we are getting full cooperation from the executive branch. So we're just simply investigating the findings, collecting the information and pressuring for release.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  There's real people along with those bots, but real people are also influenced by bots as well.

• 1:49:16Speaker 03

  Group think.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  There's there's waves of negativity and positivity that go in certain directions that are orchestrated. And there's companies that are known companies that you can actually hire them to go do stuff.

• 1:49:28Speaker 03

  They exist in Florida, actually. There's a couple of social media influencers that have been approached. I've seen it, so I know it exists.

• 1:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:49:34Speaker 03

  What's interesting, though, is it goes back to the you never want to get in trouble in a crowd of people because they'll just look at each other. You ever see like someone getting beat up and they just like film it, right? Instead of going to help that person. And that's part of that group think. It exists online. I do think X need to do something, at least like be able to label bot accounts. Because I've seen it happen, especially on certain things like I had done something to allow new moms to vote. When you're recovering, our job is different. Like only 13 women in US history have ever given birth. It's about to be 14, who are members of Congress. And God forbid, we enter a war or something. We're not going to be able to vote. If you're recovering in a hospital, that's a pretty like rare circumstance. And so there was definitely bot accounts that were attacking me for that and accusing me of like destroying the republic again.

• 1:50:19Speaker 03

  I said, I don't think that that's the case, but.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not tinfoil hat stuff, folks. You really need to know that. Why wouldn't there be? This is the thing. Like if you were, whether it's this country, a corporation, another country, why wouldn't you automate your system or have AI or even just have actual people that have a job? And their job is to type inflammatory, whatever it is, insults, whatever it is, like whatever their accomplishment, whatever their goal they're trying to accomplish is. Why wouldn't you have a group of people that you have at your command if it's legal?

• 1:50:56Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Because it is legal.

• 1:50:57Speaker 03

  So it is legal. And in politics, what's interesting is they'll test, like especially when you're running for office, it's kind of interesting because you'll actually, during my first race, I actually had a firm that I was going to for consulting. And they had someone that had worked at the firm that had also worked with like McDonald's branding. So like people that are running for office will bring on these firms and then they'll like give them kind of like a branding profile. What was interesting about that is that, you know, you have this aspect of bot activity. Social media at the time was kind of just resurfacing is if you want to be kind of influential, you have to be able to use social media, share your message and get that out there. And I think Trump really kind of refined that. It was kind of one of the leading figures in that, especially when Twitter 1.0 was in existence.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  But then you had this aspect of people that were running for office. And then there was actually a censorship state in this country. And we found that out, that Twitter 1.0 was coordinating with the Department of Homeland Security. We found this out actually in a congressional hearing where they were actually, DHS had a division under CISA that was supposed to be monitoring terrorist organizations. And they were using it on the American people to censor information, specifically on COVID, on January 6th, all of that. That is scary. You still have censorship issues in places like the EU. So like to think that they wouldn't use social media platforms, especially to influence the masses is just, that's not a conspiracy theory that happens. We have evidence of that.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Of course, censorship is influencing.

• 1:52:16Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:52:17Joe Rogan?

  It's also causing people to self censor, which changes discourse.

• 1:52:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, not wanting to have conversations.

• 1:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you can get banned from Twitter for a variety of things, particularly during COVID. But I think COVID was also a great test case for them. Let's see like if there's some sort of catastrophe, some natural disaster, some national security issue where we could now enforce new regulations of censorship.

• 1:52:39Speaker 03

  Well, and scary regulations at that because COVID was really kind of dystopian. And going back to kind of, you know, I think you'd mentioned foreign government influence using bots. The one thing that's been interesting is in our investigation, so like taking now my task force hat off and going into actually problems that we see right now happening, you saw this like massive a couple of weeks ago. A rift that was taking place between the American people specifically on immigration and all of a sudden these like pop up riots. I actually called them the Timu riots, like the Timu Chinese app, because it came out via actually this woman, her name's Data Republican on X, and she actually tracked down the funding line. And what was happening was the Chinese government was basically propping up this billionaire, American billionaire,

• 1:53:21Speaker 03

  Neville Singh Ham. And actually, he was donating money to organizations like Party of Socialism and Liberation, and they were actually funding a lot of these riot pop ups in the area. So you had people that were being used, divided, for example, on the immigration topic. You literally have them passing out, you know, Mexican flags, saying that they cared about immigrants, when in actuality, the financial ties was actually coming from the CCP. So the Chinese government, on many occasions, and it's not uncommon within Congress to know, even on apps like TikTok, they were showing certain information in order to cause a rift and influence people. The same individual Neville Singh Ham, actually, once we got this information, we sent a request to have him come testify to Congress. And he spends

• 1:54:03Speaker 03

  part of his year in Shanghai, China, and so we were not able to deliver him his subpoena, basically. And so there's a letter that Chairman Comer has now authorized to be sent that will go to the Treasury Department to freeze his assets unless he comes to testify to Congress.

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:54:17Speaker 03

  And that, mind you, this is not, you know, people, and like, look, I started out before politics with my feet getting wet as an activist. Like, that's actually how I started out in politics. So like, I understand the immigration, the board, I like, understand all arguments, because I've, I've been through it and I've had a debate on, debated. But what's a problem for me is that you have foreign governments trying to cause a rift and then promote ideologies that will empower people specifically to push forward policy that will actually put us as like second tier as opposed to the Chinese government. And I do think that the Chinese government and their execution has been very, very specific about how they want to hinder our ability.

• 1:55:00Speaker 03

  To be global dominators. I think when you're looking at what happened in COVID timeframe, right? So like a lot of people said that Wuhan lab leak, that that was a conspiracy theory. We now know that it happened and that was true. But at the same time, if you look at what President Trump was doing, he was actually trying to negotiate trade with China and he was winning. And then all of a sudden COVID happened. Well, what was interesting second time around in Trump 2.0 is that you have all these Timu riots taking place at the same time and almost got no coverage in the mainstream media, but you had multiple Chinese nationals that were caught trying to release agro-terrorism weapons.

• 1:55:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we talked about that.

• 1:55:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, agro-terrorism weapons. And then at the same time, the tariff war was taking place. And then you actually saw them trying to infiltrate. So I don't think it's by accident, but I do think that it's important to remember that just because you see something happening on the mainstream media, the media will always try to amplify something because it's rage baiting and it's click and it's views, which translates to money.

• 1:55:53Joe Rogan?

  And if it's negative against Trump, it gets front page news.

• 1:55:56Speaker 03

  Of course, of course. But when you actually look at where the funding stream is coming from, it actually goes back to China. And this is not the only incident where they tried to drive a wedge between Americans and then actually like sexual, like compartmentalized with Hispanic Americans specifically. So in 2016, now the largest voting minority in the country are Hispanic Americans, specifically of Mexican descent. And I think you can find that stat on pewHispanic.org. So when you're looking at voting demographics, how could you influence an entire demographic to help skew or influence a midterm election? And it would be specifically probably on the immigration topic to try to resape people. But then you have this aspect of the same guy, Neville Singh Ham, his wife actually funds an organization called Code Pink. So this is all Chinese money now going to a

• 1:56:41Speaker 03

  separate cause. And this one specifically is on the Israel versus Palestine issue. They don't care about Israelis or Palestinians. This is a Chinese funded group. And what they're doing is they're using that front in an effort to then divide on that topic as well. So it's a multifaceted approach using minority classes in order to actually push the end goal, which would be communism.

• 1:57:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:57:03Speaker 03

  And also too, you can actually look on the flyers for these organizations. So PSL, Neville Seingham is actually an open admirer of Mao Zedong. I mean, like, it's all up there and it's out there for you to find, but it's just crazy because most people, you know, you see, see this aspect of propaganda that's being shown to you and you're not gonna be like, who's funding that? You know, you're gonna be like, you know, tell that person, I'm gonna fight for this, but that's, they don't actually realize the more nefarious perspective of what's happening behind the scenes.

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  So, I, I absolutely believe this is true, that I'm sure other countries fund similar things, but also, it was in reaction to some of the ICE raids, right? I mean, it was, it was a visceral reaction that a lot of people had, the idea of people just showing up and pulling people out of schools and pulling people out of Home Depot and pulling people that were just hardworking people that maybe snuck over here because they didn't have a legal way to get over here, but since they've been here, they've been good people and they're a part of communities and that's what freaks people out because what people, when people thought about ICE, they thought, great, we're gonna get rid of the gang members. They didn't think, great, you're gonna get rid of a landscaper.

• 1:58:11Speaker 03

  But the question is, why didn't they do it then during, why did these riots and why did this disagreement happen?

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, I don't disagree with you.

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Obama-Biden.

• 1:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Listen, I'm sure these riots, some of these riots absolutely are manufactured. I'm sure they are. I'm sure these pallets of bricks that get left off on corners when they know that there's gonna be a BLM riot.

• 1:58:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that was crazy, yeah.

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  That's bananas.

• 1:58:32Speaker 03

  Well, and they fund, they fundraise, but to your point, so, how do you fix something like the immigration system as a whole, right? So...

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

  We definitely don't have an open border. That's crazy.

• 1:58:41Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  Because you need to know if people are criminals that are coming in. You don't want cartel members coming in. You don't want murderers coming in and serial killers. Like, there's, there's a reason why we have borders.

• 1:58:51Speaker 03

  Child monsters, yeah.

• 1:58:51Joe Rogan?

  All the above, right? There's a reason why we have borders. But the, the thing that freaks people out is like, how many corporations rely on illegal labor?

• 1:59:00Speaker 03

  Oh, Tyson Chicken Farms, one of them. I actually, yeah, we actually, last year, I was putting out some messaging on them because I'd watched this documentary about the slaughterhouses, how they're actually using migrant children, like 14, 15, in some of these slaughterhouses. And the lobbyist from Tyson Chicken Corporation contacted my chief of staff at the time and was like trying to basically say like, hey, like basically back off, but like, I don't care. Like, it's wrong. Like, I don't care where you're on the spectrum. We shouldn't allow migrant labor with children specifically because child slave labor.

• 1:59:34Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you a story that a high-level government official told me.

• 1:59:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:59:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to, I don't know if he said it on here or not, so I don't want to say his name.

• 1:59:40Speaker 03

  Wait, so he was on here, so then that narrows it.

• 1:59:42Joe Rogan?

  Ah, fucked up.

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  Okay, it's okay.

• 1:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Someone actually said to him that they don't want to stop the illegal immigration because they need cheap labor.

• 1:59:52Speaker 03

  Correct. I actually think that it'll never stop, at least not in Congress.

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  That they don't have to pay them any benefits. They don't have to take care of their insurance.

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  Or pay them at all.

• 2:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, they pay them, but they don't have to pay them what they're supposed to pay them.

• 2:00:03Speaker 03

  Well, I've heard cases where people, specifically contractors, will walk on people if they know that they're here illegally. And like, so going back to like, how do you, how do you fix this?

• 2:00:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00:12Speaker 03

  Is, one of the top cases that I handle aside from social security help and refunds, like within my congressional office, so a congressional office does constituent services, and it's basically like customer service, like, have you been victimized by the federal government, you know, call this number? That's your congressional office. So specifically on immigration cases, like if you've had an issue with the State Department visas, all of that, you can contact your local congressman. And so what I will say is that we've had people that have spent like tens of thousands of dollars to come here, but it takes like 20-something years to do. And that's part of the problem is, there's been such an influx and such a bogged down of the actual system that our actual system is not functioning at the capacity that it should to actually help people come here the correct way.

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially poor people, right? And if you want to immigrate to the United States, the application, one of the things they ask you is, are you an expert in something where people in the United States can't do it?

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  Like a doctor?

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Or maybe you're a musician, and like, no one else could sing your songs. Like, you, maybe you could get citizenship from that, but if you're just a landsgamer, you're just a guy who lives in a third-world country and you want a better life, and you say, I heard you can get across, and I heard when you get across, you can get work. Like, what is that guy gonna do? That guy doesn't have the money to hire a lawyer. He's not gonna... How is he going to prove that he's more valuable than a United States citizen that's already here doing the exact same job?

• 2:01:36Speaker 03

  I do think that unless we are able to A assign probably more lawyers, more judges to actually hear these cases, it's going to continue to be a problem. And I have heard, okay, on the floor, these are conversations between members, that to a certain extent, especially when you're talking about, you know, like an e-verify system within the ag industry, that actually members of that committee don't want that because they know that the farmers are actually heavily relying on some of these illegals to work in their fields.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and construction crews and fill in the blank.

• 2:02:05Speaker 03

  So I can confirm that.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so isn't the solution force people to pay everybody exactly the same way?

• 2:02:13Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, because you don't have the decrease in wages. However, I think the bigger problem that we have here, though, is that, at least specifically in my district, and then also too, having argued this, is that this gray area that's been created, in my opinion, they don't want a solution for. They do it intentionally with the understanding that both sides are going to fundraise off of it. In my opinion, if I was to be able to actually fix this, I would say that you have to, I would say, pause, let the system run through, take everyone in, vet them, make sure that they're not criminals, etc. But then the system allows time for it to actually catch up to itself, and then you can continue as is.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  What you just said was so scary, that they don't want to resolve it because they want the issue to exist so they could fundraise for it, against it.

• 2:02:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  That's so nuts, and probably so accurate. That's probably so accurate. Because anytime anything ever happens, one of the first things they do is like, please donate, like throw it up. All the people that are very reactionary are like, I can't believe this is happening.

• 2:03:15Speaker 03

  And you know, it's crazy, as most elected officials might send out that email, but the email fundraisers actually are taking like 80% of that dollar. That's like usually the average ratio, and it's like, I'm in the wrong business. This is crazy.

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  The scariest thing about nonprofits is how much profit they make. It's really weird when you see the salaries of some of these people that are nonprofits.

• 2:03:34Speaker 03

  I will never, I will never.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  A million dollars a year, you're like, what is, how is that?

• 2:03:39Speaker 03

  And they do nothing.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy. Or what's going on with the LA fire thing? You know, where they can't figure out where all the money went. It went to a hundred and eighty-eight different nonprofits.

• 2:03:50Speaker 03

  Who's it Spencer, is his name Spencer Pratt? I was like Spencer Pratt for governor.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  He's a little pit bull. That dude's on that thing. Look, they burned his fu- his fucking house got burnt down.

• 2:03:59Speaker 03

  And then they promised, all these celebrities are like, yeah, donate, we'll give it to the victims. It's like, where did it go? There's like this fine print that he wrote.

• 2:04:05Joe Rogan?

  It's really weird, but it exposes the legality of these systems. They're, it's legal for them to operate like that where, you know, an enormous percentage of all the money that comes in goes to overhead. It goes to salaries.

• 2:04:19Speaker 03

  And they do the fine print.

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  But it's such a scam. It's such a weird scam and it's such a devious thing because you're pulling on people's heartstrings.

• 2:04:27Speaker 03

  Which is why, going back to what I said, we need younger people and we need more normal people to run for office.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  We need AI to take over.

• 2:04:34Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know about that.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  AI is our god.

• 2:04:36Speaker 03

  So, no. No, no, no.

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  AI is our governor, AI is our king. That's what we'll say in school now, AI is our king.

• 2:04:44Speaker 03

  We need to, um, I think AI can be used in, in good senses. Like I can, and I ask Grok things a lot and I will argue points and, but I think we need to work alongside it. Cause there's this aspect of AI that removes the humanity. Like I don't think you can teach AI empathy. And there's a certain aspect of humanity that needs to be kept involved in these decision-making processes. For example, if you have a drone that's been targeted to, let's say, eliminate a terrorist at this grid location and it's functioning solely on AI, well, what's going to enable it to be able to pause on destruction of a location? If there's children within it, I mean, if it's a bot, it's not thinking.

• 2:05:21Joe Rogan?

  That's true, but the US history of drone use is no better than what you just described.

• 2:05:28Speaker 03

  Well, there are oversights and massive investigations, especially if it's in regards to civilian casualties.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  But, but civilian casualties are the majority of deaths from drones.

• 2:05:37Speaker 03

  I would say. Based on the people that I have talked with and interacted, it's definitely happened in the past and it's definitely problematic. However, people get in trouble for it.

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  But it's the majority.

• 2:05:49Speaker 03

  I'd have to, I mean, I don't.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  The majority of the people that died, that died were civilians. They weren't the intended targets.

• 2:05:57Speaker 03

  Well, and that's a problem. And that's where a lot of these people do, you have low act, so there's massive investigations with the JAGS, et cetera, that get involved in these investigations.

• 2:06:04Joe Rogan?

  But I'm saying, like, would AI be better than that? I don't know.

• 2:06:07Speaker 03

  Well, I think you can have, I think you can have an AI decision-making process, but where there is a human involved in that step process. So like the human would be the final step in authority. So the AI would rank it maybe, and like granted, I'm not an AI programmer, but I am saying that I think that there's an interface where you can have humans involved in the final step.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, the most terrifying solution is not that, is, is don't use the missiles. Instead, you have a drone that specifically targets one person.

• 2:06:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's suicide drones. Yeah.

• 2:06:34Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, even worse, like flies through the house and like lands on the dude's head and blows up.

• 2:06:38Speaker 03

  Don't freak me out too much because the Chinese have a little spy drone that's like literally this big. Have you seen it?

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have bug drones now. I'm sure our government does too. There's no way the Chinese are the only ones who do it, especially if they really have been back engineering UFOs for the last forty, fifty years.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't think that any other government is as advanced in regards to that topic as we potentially are. And I say that because if that were the case, then they would be the world superpower.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  I agree with that, but I also think that even though we probably have the best military contractors, we also get infiltrated by the Chinese government and the Russian government all the time.

• 2:07:17Speaker 03

  Oh, that's.

• 2:07:18Joe Rogan?

  They're always.

• 2:07:18Speaker 03

  And Congress gets infiltrated.

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:07:21Speaker 03

  Like how many people like have all of a sudden like girlfriends, staffers?

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  Chinese girlfriend, wink, wink.

• 2:07:27Speaker 03

  No comment on that one.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Guys are weak. We're so weak. All you have to do is be hot and we're stupid. We fall in love.

• 2:07:33Speaker 03

  Fan, that guy.

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Of course. There's, there's always going to be people like that, that infiltrate universities, that infiltrate research centers. They, they get information back to the CCP. There's that famous story, I think Marc Andreessen told us about how, uh, what, what? Was it in Berkeley? I forget what the corporation was, but the power went down. And so all these CCP people panicked because they were supposed to send the information back. And if they don't, hey, maybe your grandmother doesn't get her medicine. Maybe, you know what I mean? Maybe your family gets a visit. Like, you have to be on time.

• 2:08:07Speaker 03

  The University of Michigan has now had, like, what, two? I think those agro-terrorism was like University of Michigan.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like all over the country. They've been infiltrated by, like, these governments have, like, very cleverly inserted their ideology into these universities. Yuri Besmanov talked about this, that Russia was doing this in the 1980s. It was 1984.

• 2:08:26Speaker 03

  The one thing that's been interesting is, and a lot of people aren't talking about, there's one representative member, Republican from California, that's addressing it. But when they have surrogates have children here for US citizenship, but then they take them back and fully integrate them and educate them in China. And so technically, they're US citizens, but they are being totally raised with the ideology and perspective of the Chinese government.

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:08:50Speaker 03

  And that's an interesting perspective.

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  And then they come back over here and they're full US citizens.

• 2:08:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:08:54Joe Rogan?

  Working for the Chinese government.

• 2:08:55Speaker 03

  Full access to, yes, access to all of our resources, everything, education system.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  And then we sell the Chinese government land around our military bases.

• 2:09:02Speaker 03

  Oh, that has been, I, and I get, you know, I love our libertarian brothers, okay, but, and sisters, but I have gotten into so many debates on this because they're like, well, you know, we shouldn't limit an American's ability to actually sell their property. And I'm like, yeah, but the Chinese government literally wants to eliminate the West as we know it. And so we have to be cognizant of that. And also too, by the way, it's not like you're just, like, buying a military installation. You think that they're not actually, like, actually putting tech and observing, monitoring, pulling all of our resources. I mean, it's crazy.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Not just that. Like, Mike Baker talked about this on the podcast, that they sell cellphone towers.

• 2:09:35Speaker 03

  Huawei?

• 2:09:36Joe Rogan?

  To these companies. Well, Huawei, which was, they were really problematic. But they sell, they sell these cellphone towers near these bases. And so they sell them at a discounted rate. And then the Huawei stuff was crazy because it actually had, like, a third-party access built into some of their systems.

• 2:09:53Speaker 03

  And a lot of the tech that they actually sell here, whether it's to our law enforcement, so like, anytime you have, specifically, I would say, like, within even our craning and like, our actual shipping operations. Those things are sending signals back home.

• 2:10:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, we're so stupid, we can't make those things.

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  Well, we should, we should be making, so there's policy changes where if you have an American business, you can now actually get a big tax incentive for manufacturing back home.

• 2:10:17Joe Rogan?

  It's great, but it's gonna take 10 years for us to even catch up to where they are now.

• 2:10:20Speaker 03

  We just gotta stay the course.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  What a dumb idea, like, everyone has a cellphone, no one can make a phone. What? Is that, no one saw that coming? That's bananas, all of them getting made in China?

• 2:10:31Speaker 03

  They sold us out in the 70s for manufacturing, and I think that that's where you're seeing this, you know, aspect of people that are very like, if you talk about, and I'm not like an isolationist by any means, but like, I do believe that we should have, especially with COVID, everyone saw this. We should have certain things that are just manufactured here. I think tech is extremely important. I think Palmer Lucky's doing like laptops or something now. In the United States, they're trying to actually move that over.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Elon should make a phone. I bet he's thinking about it, because he's in some sort of a dispute right now with Apple, because Apple won't, there's something about the way Grok AI shows up, and he's saying that their algorithm is essentially rigged, where OpenAI is like, Grok AI is never featured.

• 2:11:10Speaker 03

  Oh, really? I have Grok, I have a Grok app on my phone, but...

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  So maybe that'll incentivize him to make a phone.

• 2:11:16Speaker 03

  Elon, make a phone, and we'll try it out.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Elon Musk says, "Apple's rigging the App Store for ChatGPT. The tech mogul is threatening immediate legal action, accusing the iPhone maker of unequivocal antitrust violation designed to favor his AI rival."

• 2:11:31Speaker 03

  Oh, is his AI rival the Sam Altman free guy?

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder if that, there's, I mean, you don't just say something like that, do you?

• 2:11:40Speaker 03

  No, no, he definitely, he's not, he's not a dummy, he's smart. There's definitely something there.

• 2:11:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, readers added context, 2025, DeepSeek reached number one, and DeepSeek's the Japanese, the Chinese one, right?

• 2:11:50Speaker 03

  Oh, and DeepSeek's freaky about some of the stuff that it can do.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Just one month ago, Perplexity also reached number one overall in India's App Store. Both of these occurred after the OpenAI-Apple partnership announced on June 10, 2024. But what about the United States? Because the United States is the biggest market. When it comes to like, we're probably the highest percentage of people that use Apple.

• 2:12:13Speaker 03

  I mean, it's literally when you go to buy a phone, it's usually an iPhone.

• 2:12:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm almost, I think it's something crazy with kids. It's like eighty-four percent or something like that.

• 2:12:21Speaker 03

  Oh, don't get me, if you have a kid, keep them off phones as long as you can.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes, for sure, but I mean, but the point is, like, the App Store in America is, that is the monopoly in this country if you want to get an app.

• 2:12:34Speaker 03

  I mean, it's.

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Not monopoly, but the leader, the, the head leader.

• 2:12:37Speaker 03

  To be honest with you, I've only ever had iPhone, and so that's the only platform I've ever used. I know it's like Android versus iPhone.

• 2:12:43Joe Rogan?

  No, I have both. They're both really good. The, the Android's way better than it used to be.

• 2:12:48Speaker 03

  But it's still freaky.

• 2:12:48Joe Rogan?

  I had it back in the day, but it's, it's right there where an iPhone is right now, just different, and it gives you a lot more access to stuff.

• 2:12:54Speaker 03

  Well, it's still freaky, though, then you have these phones that are considered actual safe phones that aren't ripping your data and basically turning on every, like, ten minutes to kind of be able to tar, like, target you for sales, whatever it might be. I can tell you that, you know, given my job and some of this stuff, I, I am totally freaked out by having an iPhone, and I look forward to the day where I don't have to have a phone. I'm gonna get a flip phone.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna, they're gonna already have a chip in your head by then.

• 2:13:17Speaker 03

  No, absolutely. Of me, of all people, no chips. We're chip free.

• 2:13:22Joe Rogan?

  I, I don't know if there are any phones that really, truly are safe. I mean, I know that there's, um, there's some phones that run on alternative operating systems that aren't Google. What is that alternative system that they use with Pixel phones that now, at least the French government, when they find people that have Google phones, they, they immediately look at that person as a, a point of interest.

• 2:13:44Speaker 03

  Because they're like, we can't track you.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because they're using this other operating system. What is it called again? I can't remember it, but it's what Adam Curry uses. It's a de-Googled iPhone that uses an alternative operating system. So this doesn't send data. I'm sure the GPS sucks. It's probably. It's called graphene. That's right. Graphene OS. So there's multiple different ver, different OSs that people use outside of the Google, but you can only use it on Android phones, and a lot of people use it on Pixel phones. They, you can actually buy them. What is that guy's name? The Asian gentleman who has that, Rob Braxton, he sells them. And he is like a security advocate.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  He's always talking to you about how insecure all of your technology is. And explaining why they added this and what this means now and where your data is going and how they can track you.

• 2:14:40Speaker 03

  It's made me...

• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

  So, he sells de-guiled iPhones. Oh, he's a response to Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is wondering what I'm hiding five years ago. I was fucking around. I was just saying, what's that guy hiding? He's scared. So, this guy's been at this forever, right? So, five years ago, we were talking about him and he was making these phones, five years ago.

• 2:15:00Speaker 03

  Well, and from a government perspective, you have this aspect of a lot of people don't want to reform FISA. FISA and the way that it can surveil some Americans is pretty freaky. We would like to...

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  Really freaky.

• 2:15:11Speaker 03

  Really freaky. And we, you know, I actually did not get a committee assignment on House Armed Services. I did it as a vet because I voted against FISA. And I was one of two that voted against it and they said that I was not a team player. But when you actually look at...

• 2:15:27Joe Rogan?

  Play for the team.

• 2:15:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. It seems to be like an ongoing thing. I am playing for the team, but it's just not the DC team.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that a nutty thing to say? Like, whatever happened to representative of the people? What are we doing?

• 2:15:39Speaker 03

  There's actually, there's still a few good representatives.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  I believe you.

• 2:15:43Speaker 03

  But it's few and far between.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think it's hard. It's probably hard to state the course. It's probably hard to keep your morals and your ethics while everyone around you isn't.

• 2:15:54Speaker 03

  You have to not... So, some of the best representatives, best even people in government are the ones that did not have to do this job.

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:16:03Speaker 03

  And that's because if you're giving up something to come here, it means that you're doing it for the right reasons. If you have nothing to gain from this position and this is the only thing you've ever wanted to be, you're usually not the best person for that job. And I say that because you are then only going to do what it takes to get re-elected, which means that you are willing to compromise your principles. Because there will be decisions that you have to take where you're going to have to stand firm on your principles and be like, I can't vote for them. There's massive pressure campaigns like... When a certain bill comes up, if I'm voting against it, you have planted stories in the press, you have super PACs that will come in and drop text messages in your district to your constituents saying that, "Did you know that Representative so-and-so voted against this?" And so you have to be able to be like, "All right, I'm just gonna just

• 2:16:45Speaker 03

  disconnect." And at a certain point, you do have to do that because then you're just, you'll go crazy.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  You definitely go crazy if you read all the bots.

• 2:16:52Speaker 03

  Oh, you can't read, don't, don't fight with the bots.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Don't read anything.

• 2:16:55Speaker 03

  Don't fight with the bots.

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  No, people do read them. It's just interesting, it's like representative, like when you see representatives today, some of them are kind of characters, you know, where they become...

• 2:17:07Speaker 03

  It's like Gotham.

• 2:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, where they become popular, you know, they become, like Fetterman, you know, is popular.

• 2:17:13Speaker 03

  He's not too, he's, he's changed, he's like actually makes sense on some issues.

• 2:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Much more reasonable than most, yeah. He's a logical guy, he's a very nice guy. I think it's hilarious that he still wears the hoodie and the shorts, and like, he's exploiting a rule.

• 2:17:26Speaker 03

  He is in the Senate.

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's kind of right, he's kind of right, and that is really how he likes to dress. Like, when I saw him in DC, it was like 10 degrees out, this dude had shorts on, and a hoodie, a Carhartt hoodie, and he's just, but he's like, that's genuinely him, I think. He's a good guy.

• 2:17:44Speaker 03

  Well, he's a big guy, too, so like, there's only certain things.

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Probably sweats a lot, probably is easily warm, likes being in the cold.

• 2:17:50Speaker 03

  Not saying that we know he sweats, but just, you know.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  For sure he does, he's a big guy. But, um, yeah, no, he's, he's reasonable, but the point is that he's kind of a character. Like Jasmine Crockett's a character, AOC's a character. There's characters, and they, you know, they're like main characters in this political show that we're all watching on television.

• 2:18:06Speaker 03

  Oversight, so I actually was on Oversight with all those people, except for Fetterman, and what I'll tell you is Oversight tends to bring out the characters, for sure. And what I will say is that actually, I have been able to, on certain things, like with AOC, I introduced a piece of legislation, so there was a partner bill in the Senate with Bernie Sanders and I think Josh Hawley to cap credit card interest at 10%. And then we started getting, I started getting a lot of heat for it because there were people like, "You can't do that." And I was like, "Well, most of these banks that we're talking about are actually taking government bailout." So if you're taking a government bailout and you're essentially operating off the goodwill of the federal government, then you should be held as standard. Because then you have predatory lending and what ends up happening is some of these people will take out a, you know, a credit, or max out their credit cards for the rest of their life.

• 2:18:51Speaker 03

  They're paying back the debt. And then also, there's something that we've been able to introduce. So this is like the more populist representation where you see both the right and the left kind of agree on certain things. And there's another bill that I'm introducing with another Democrat and another Republican, that's a more moderate Republican, but it's actually to cap student loan interest at 2.5%.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  That would be wonderful, because I was just going to ask you about that. I was reading this woman on X and she was talking about how she graduated with student loans that equaled, I think it was $28,000. She's paid off, she's never missed a payment, paid off $24,000 and she still owes $60,000.

• 2:19:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, so what they do is they actually, and I've been quoted on this, but it creates an indentured servant basically for the rest of their life. They're paying off this debt and you can never actually, you know, function in a top pair.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  That's absolutely insane. If she's telling the truth, and I believe she is, that's absolutely insane. You could owe $60,000 plus dollars after a $24,000 or $28,000 loan when you've paid $24,000 of it off.

• 2:19:52Speaker 03

  It's, for people that are actually trying to better themselves that might have to take out loans for that, it's crippling and then they actually can't get a good start at being contributing members of society because they're always functioning in the debt.

• 2:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. If you want to make America great again, have less people in debt, have less losers.

• 2:20:08Speaker 03

  Opportunity.

• 2:20:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, have more people that can get things going on because they're not burdened by some crazy debt that really is not right. It's not right that you do that to an 18-year-old kid and saddle them down like that for the rest of their life.

• 2:20:21Speaker 03

  And to be clear, like, I'm not talking about student loan forgiveness, and I think you're not either, but, you know, I had to join the military, I paid for my college using the GI Bill, and so, do I think student loans forgiveness is fair? No, but is this a way that we can actually make a happy medium to where people are actually given the opportunity to pay back the debt? And yes, and so, I look forward to it. To introducing that, but that's a piece of legislation that should be on the floor and that it's not.

• 2:20:42Joe Rogan?

  I think in an ideal world, education is free. In an ideal country where you really care about the people and you really want more success stories, education is free. Difficult to get into, you have to be qualified, a true meritocracy, but education should be free. And if these certain people from different parts of the country don't seem to be getting in, address that. Figure out what's wrong with their school system and throw federal funds at that. It's not impossible to figure out why certain school systems are doing poorly and other ones are doing great.

• 2:21:16Speaker 03

  I will, I will tell you, like, from a personal lens and perspective. So when I was, in my freshman year in high school, I moved up to LA with my mom. And I, by the time I graduated, I went to six high schools and an adult school. That's actually, I like barely graduated. And what I will say is that one of the high schools I went to was-

• 2:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you go to different schools so much?

• 2:21:35Speaker 03

  It just, how it ended up functioning, so like my freshman year, my mom went through divorce, my dad got arrested. So I have an interesting background. So we, there's that.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  Lot of stuff.

• 2:21:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I ended up actually going to Venice High School one of these times, and that was around my junior year. And what the LA Unified School District was doing at the time is they were actually busing in kids from other parts of LA County. And at the time, specifically in the early 2000s, there was a big issue with the black and Chicano gangs in LA. And so, you know, what was happening outside in the neighborhoods was carrying on into the school districts. And when you have gang activity and like kids, the only opportunity that they have is like being able to join a gang and that's it. You know, they're never going to go to college, they're never going to have the opportunity. And so that carries on into the education system, they're never given a chance. And so I think in Florida, we've been doing it right with school choice. President Trump's been pretty big on that.

• 2:22:28Speaker 03

  But being able to give students or their parents the ability to send them to good schools without gang activity outside of their zip code, that matters. And that does impact people.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  And cracking down on gang activity.

• 2:22:39Speaker 03

  It's, so there was a kid that was shot in the parking lot of my school.

• 2:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  And shot and killed. You could actually pull up the article, Venice High School's school shooting.

• 2:22:46Joe Rogan?

  No, listen, you don't have to tell me. Venice was crazy.

• 2:22:49Speaker 03

  Back it, back before it was gentrified, it was rough.

• 2:22:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's kinda getting crazy now with homeless people.

• 2:22:54Speaker 03

  I haven't been back since I basically left it. So when I was nineteen, I joined the military and then my mom ended up leaving California with my little brother and sister. Probably about like five years ago now.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Venice is always such an interesting part of LA. Because it's like LA but really weird. Like weird people, like interesting.

• 2:23:12Speaker 03

  LA is weird though as a whole.

• 2:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but Venice has like a surf culture, you know.

• 2:23:18Speaker 03

  Dogtown.

• 2:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Dogtown. There's a lot of people that are artists that live there that affects the vibe of the place. Like Venice in the nineties was really cool.

• 2:23:26Speaker 03

  Well, in the early two thousands, it was cool too, but it was rough. I mean, I am.

• 2:23:30Joe Rogan?

  It's always been filled with crime.

• 2:23:32Speaker 03

  Well, I got jumped. Yeah, and when I was in. Yeah, I got jumped in high school. I swear like part of the reason why I'm such a huge advocate for like standing up to bullies is probably because of that, yeah.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Damn. Venice was rough.

• 2:23:43Speaker 03

  Back in the day.

• 2:23:44Joe Rogan?

  I had a buddy of mine who lived there and the park where he used to take his kid, uh, someone got shot in it.

• 2:23:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, okay, great. Where do I take my kid now? I can't, you know.

• 2:23:53Speaker 03

  Honestly, so like seeing all that though, like being able to see that and then kind of tell that story, like I do think that there's power in that because people, there's people that go through that and like think like, man, I might not be able to like be successful, but that's not true. You can always fight your way out of it. I joined the military at nineteen. Best thing I ever did. And I met a lot of other people in the military who like grew up in inner city Chicago or wherever it was, they were able to go back and help their family. And like to my mom's credit, you know, my mom also has like an incredible story, but she had me at uh, twenty years old, single mom. Uh, my dad ended up eventually getting clean, but my husband and I moved him in with us and then he got sober. And so that story in itself, I think, you know, you tell your story and it empowers other people, especially to be fighters and not just give up.

• 2:24:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, because a lot of people have bad childhoods.

• 2:24:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and people aren't gonna tell you that. Like no one's gonna be like, you know, but.

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  But it's also great for someone to hear a story like yours, or someone who came out of a similar childhood, maybe that they're having.

• 2:24:50Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Or maybe even worse than they're having.

• 2:24:52Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:24:53Joe Rogan?

  And you see what you've been able to do, like, that's powerful to people.

• 2:24:55Speaker 03

  Well, and, and, and it is, and it's powerful, I think, to an idea that would like to box certain people, whether like you're a woman, or you're Hispanic, into this stereotype on like how you should believe and think and vote.

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Or you're poor, you come from a single mom. I think that was one of the most important things about Obama becoming president. We heard like, oh, God, the guy comes from a single mom, and he became the President of the United States. It was like, for a lot of people, it's like, okay.

• 2:25:19Speaker 03

  Relatable.

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, yeah, well, maybe my life isn't what I wished it would be, but look what that guy's able to accomplish. Maybe I can do something too, instead of thinking I'm gonna be a loser forever.

• 2:25:28Speaker 03

  Well, what was interesting is I shared my story, so like, remember I told you I started out as an activist, and I would tell people this because, you know, I, I do feel like, too, at a certain sense, when you tell your story, you can share that you're empowering other people to take something and turn it into a positive. And within, like, maybe a couple of weeks of me getting elected, I all of a sudden started having this Washington Post reporter reaching out to my family and actually asked my mom whether she had proof that my grand, my grandmother had actually passed away HIV-positive.

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:26:00Speaker 03

  And was harassing.

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to catch you in lies?

• 2:26:03Speaker 03

  Lying, yeah, and so they put out this nasty, nasty article about me, basically trying to say that I had fabricated my dad's incarceration record, they had tried to say that I was a registered Democrat in Washington, like, all this stuff that was categorically false, and I had actually gotten contacted from like my old sergeant.

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  A nice little smear piece.

• 2:26:20Speaker 03

  Oh, it was terrible, but I had receipts.

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:26:23Speaker 03

  And so after this came out, I said, no, hold up, and I actually gave Fox News all of my stuff that I had, and I was able to refute, and then Time Magazine had actually reached out, and they said, would you mind if we conduct like an interview on your background? I said, have at it, here's my information. I had actually even gotten my DNA done to like prove that I'm Hispanic because of the fact that I'm lighter-skinned. When I got elected, there was like this controversy on how Hispanic was I, and like it was actually a thing. I'm like, I, I'm also like Speedy Gonzales with a sombrero running around. You know, it's like, what am I supposed to-

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  That's so racist to ask how-

• 2:26:54Speaker 03

  It's like so-

• 2:26:55Joe Rogan?

  That's so racist-

• 2:26:55Speaker 03

  How Hispanic are you?

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  How Hispanic- Isn't that funny that that's the time where the left is allowed to be racist?

• 2:27:01Speaker 03

  Just like so crazy.

• 2:27:02Joe Rogan?

  That is such a crazy thing to say. How Hispanic is she?

• 2:27:06Speaker 03

  Are you, right?

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  How black are you?

• 2:27:08Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Mr. Obama? You don't look that black to me.

• 2:27:11Speaker 03

  It was, it was crazy, but I actually gave all this information to Time Magazine.

• 2:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine saying that to Obama? How black are you?

• 2:27:18Speaker 03

  When people would ask me, I actually mentioned that to a reporter, actually. Uh, because of the fact that he's half white and half black. And I said, "I'm sorry, last time I checked, am I not allowed to be white too?" Because there's this aspect of, "I wasn't Hispanic enough because I'm white." But then also this aspect of, "I'm not white enough because I'm Hispanic." So like, which one are you?

• 2:27:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. That's so ridiculous. That's such a ridiculous thing to ask. It's like, it goes in the face of what's supposed to be about their principles. Their principles are supposed to be not seeing color at all.

• 2:27:46Speaker 03

  Oh, there's, there's a lot-

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  And the idea that they're gonna attack you and say you're pretending to be Hispanic, or that you're barely Hispanic enough.

• 2:27:54Speaker 03

  I'm not Hispanic enough.

• 2:27:55Joe Rogan?

  What percentage are you?

• 2:27:56Speaker 03

  I'm half.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  That's 50 fucking percent! That's so crazy!

• 2:28:01Speaker 03

  And then I had to explain, though, to a reporter. I said, "Well, if my mom's half and my dad's half, what does that make me?" And she goes, "A quarter." I said, "No, that's not a quarter."

• 2:28:08Joe Rogan?

  I'm three-quarters Italian. Imagine someone telling me that I'm not Italian. That's hilarious. That's so racist. That's such a crazy thing that they allow it as long as it's coming from their side.

• 2:28:20Speaker 03

  And also, too, if I were on the other side, I'd probably be like a rock star. So, long story short, so this, this article comes out. Time Magazine investigates, after doing like 20-something hours on background, I gave them all the evidence, and they actually ended up writing an article on me called "The Influencer That Came to Congress", and then named me as Time Magazine's next 100 Most Influencer in the World.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's nice of them.

• 2:28:41Speaker 03

  I'm just glad that it vindicated me, because it was not a fun spot to be in.

• 2:28:44Joe Rogan?

  God, it's just weird. You know, I know that it's always gonna be a part of politics, but it's so disappointing as an enlightened culture that we don't disavow that kind of reporting. And just, and recognize from both sides how detrimental it is to finding out what's real and what's true.

• 2:29:03Speaker 03

  It's, um, it was done though because of the fact that people like me specifically don't meet a certain stereotype and so it was an effort to discredit that effort.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I get it. I get why they did it.

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  But it's like for people like wondering, you know, why, and so like I-

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  I think most people are gonna know why they did it.

• 2:29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:18Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty obvious, but it's just bizarre that we allow it as long as it's from our side. You know, progressives will allow like the most devious behaviors from their side. Republicans do the same thing, the most devious shit as long as it's beneficial to their side. That's what's really stupid and we need to disavow that. You could disagree with someone, don't think they're the right person for the job, vote against them, that's all great, but when you start like deceiving people with false depictions of who a person is and making up a bunch of stupid shit and calling into question how Hispanic they are.

• 2:29:53Speaker 03

  You're so ridiculous.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Just stop. This is childish. It's like, this shouldn't be where we're at in 2025.

• 2:30:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  It shouldn't be where we're at as a mature nation. You know, we're 300 years old now, figure it out.

• 2:30:07Speaker 03

  It was, um, I think it was actually for my mom especially, like I've, I've been through the wringer of politics, so like I'm kinda battle hardened for it. I'm like, oh, another hit piece, like I don't care. Uh, but it was my mom and like what she was subjected to and I was like, you know, my mom is really cool. Like she put herself through law school when I was in high school, like she left an abusive marriage. She has come a long way and so for like her to be treated like that, I was like, it's just like one thing in politics, like you leave the family out of it.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it's immoral.

• 2:30:31Speaker 03

  It's immoral, yeah.

• 2:30:32Joe Rogan?

  It's gross. And it's, again, it's one of those things that we shouldn't tolerate. We, we shouldn't be doing it. We shouldn't advocate for it. We shouldn't be happy if it's done against the side that's ideologically opposed to us.

• 2:30:42Speaker 03

  It's gross.

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  It's gross. It's gross as a civilized group of human beings that calls itself a country. It's gross. It's gross. It's like, there's other ways to do it. You know, we don't, you don't have to just be a twat all the time.

• 2:30:55Speaker 03

  I prefer debating on ideology tends to be the best, but people always, it's like in fighting, you can't like just go and sucker punch someone. It's kinda like the same thing and that was kind of, they tried to sucker punch me and I was like-

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, it's like-

• 2:31:07Speaker 03

  Jackie Chan it up.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to be fighting if, if you believe what you believe and you have a rational argument, you can have a conversation. And this seems to be something that people don't want to do anymore. For some weird reason, they wanted to stick to what they think, stick to what they believe, and they don't want to hear a rational, opposing viewpoint because they're so married to their stupid ideas.

• 2:31:30Speaker 03

  It was, it's a lot interesting how Congress functions when the cameras are off. And I think people would definitely change their opinion because a lot of people will do it for clicks, ratings, and social media has not helped with that because people are looking for what can go viral next. There's like this viral theory that people, you know, they think that they can only be successful in their policy or their argument, whether it's committee hearings or whatever. They want that clip that they can post and they get notoriety for. So, social media has been both a blessing and a curse in the social media sphere, or in the political sphere, because you can get your information out directly to the American people using it and refute bad information, but then there's also this aspect of like, I wish people could see the conversations that take place behind the scenes because it wouldn't be so inflammatory. Basically is what I'm saying.

• 2:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, that makes sense. Well, full transparency will come with a chip. Anna, just put the chip in your brain.

• 2:32:19Speaker 03

  No chips, don't take the chip.

• 2:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Everybody will have full transparency. It seems like this whole thing, your whole journey in becoming involved in politics has been pretty stressful. Is that?

• 2:32:35Speaker 03

  It's definitely not something I want my son to do.

• 2:32:37Joe Rogan?

  Is it what you thought it was? What did you think it was going to be like before you got in and what was different once you got in there?

• 2:32:43Speaker 03

  So, when I first started out in politics, I started out as, so I joined the military at 19. I paid my way through college. I wanted to be a doctor. So, I got into a med school program at SU in Grenada, and I was supposed to go to that. And then, I kid you not, like, the day before I was supposed to leave, I got recruited to work for a nonprofit to basically help lead out Hispanic activism nationally.

• 2:33:06Speaker 03

  And I thought that's how I could make a difference. And then I realized that as part of that job, they are putting me on television. I had a booker. And so I was talking about stuff happening, but it was more the commentary on inflammatory things. I actually wanted to address what was happening with human trafficking. And I actually requested the State Department's report. I was a big activist with that. I was working with the nonprofit at the time. And I realized that they only wanted me to talk about what was getting them the ratings. And so I did realize, I was like, well, they keep though, talking about what people in DC are doing. So if I want to change the discussion, I have to go to Washington to do it. So I called my husband, I was like, we're gonna run for office. He goes, what do you mean, we?

• 2:33:45Joe Rogan?

  We?

• 2:33:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because what do you mean? I was like, well, from what I gather, everyone, it's like a team effort. And it's totally true. If your spouse isn't on board, good luck, because politics is nasty.

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:53Speaker 03

  And so he ended up basically figuring it out with me. And for someone like me, there's no how to manual on how to run for office. It's usually family, like literally family affairs where like people, like their parent did it, or they have like a direct immediate tie to it. So I figured it out. And now that I'm in office, I'm realizing that I can make an influence, uh, impact to an extent with some influence, but it would be a lot more helpful if there were 10 other of me. And so when I'm done in office, I'm going to help recruit younger candidates that have the ideological perspective that I do to run them. And then I'm gonna help do things for them behind the scenes to help get them in.

• 2:34:33Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be a mastermind behind the scenes.

• 2:34:38Speaker 03

  To help, to help.

• 2:34:39Joe Rogan?

  It just seems like a super broken process.

• 2:34:42Speaker 03

  It's not. So I've traveled a lot. I've seen a lot of other parliaments. I'm a member of the House Democracy Partnership Institute. I've gone to a lot of countries and we still have the best system.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  I believe that.

• 2:34:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we need...

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  But I still believe it's a mess.

• 2:34:57Speaker 03

  It's a mess though, because good people don't want to run and they have to.

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:01Speaker 03

  Young people have to run.

• 2:35:03Joe Rogan?

  It's also a mess because the people that have been in positions of power for so long are so set in their ways and are so deeply ingrained in the system. And all the tentacles of all these different special interests and all the money that's all connected to all these decisions is so, it's just so un... It's, I don't know if it's possible to unwind all that stuff.

• 2:35:23Speaker 03

  It is if you have enough fresh blood. So like, how do you shock a system, right? And you need to infuse it. And so, right now, we have an interesting time period because we have divisions. So like, going back to kind of the declassification efforts that we've been working on, for the first time in US history, you have an aspect of the government that's being transparent and releasing information. Like, we're helping wherever we can on that. But that is only possible because the right people with the right mindset were appointed in those agencies to be able to try to force the system to do something. But there's this aspect of, that's just executive branch, but you have the legislative branch. And the legislative branch needs younger people that want to do this because they truly believe in fixing the system. And you cannot be a pessimist in this job, or else

• 2:36:08Speaker 03

  you will go crazy.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would imagine.

• 2:36:10Speaker 03

  You would go crazy. So you have to be an optimist and understand that there is a solution for it. And going back to kind of like those like little quantum breadcrumbs, I've had enough stuff happen where I know I'm on the right path. But I also think that, you know, part of what I'm supposed to do is like to help other people do this. So I'm gonna help kind of execute that mission.

• 2:36:28Joe Rogan?

  How much longer are you gonna be in office?

• 2:36:30Speaker 03

  I don't know, but not, definitely, in the next 10 years, I promise you, I'm gonna be with a beekeeper and a flip phone, and that's it. No, no internet, just talk to grid.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, if I'm still doing a podcast, then, let's talk. Tell me about the, hopefully then, we'll know UFOs are real, they've already landed.

• 2:36:45Speaker 03

  At least we'll get some declassified stuff, right?

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, hopefully, we'll have no, remember back when we didn't know who killed JFK?

• 2:36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, now we know.

• 2:36:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. It was fun.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 2:37:43Speaker 00

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