#2563 - Dan Richards

Dan Richards is an independent researcher whose YouTube channel, "DeDunking the Past," examines lost civilizations and alternative history.www.youtube.com/@DeDunkingwww.patreon.com/DeDunking Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at https://ARMRA.com/rogan This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Danny.

• 0:12Speaker 03

  Hey Joe.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, brother.

• 0:14Speaker 03

  Good to see you again, man.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  So, right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet. It's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls, including like diagrams of-

• 0:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, but not Peruvian. These are from the Pacific Northwest.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 0:30Speaker 03

  From Washington. This is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you. The majority of the elongated skulls in recorded history are from Washington State.

• 0:38Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 0:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Now, are these manipulated skulls?

• 0:42Speaker 03

  Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They were manipulated by people. As a matter of fact, when Lewis and Clark reached the Columbia River, they passed the Cascade Mountains, all of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artificially modified skulls. Look at the title of the book, "The Chinook Sign of Freedom." If you didn't have an artificially modified skull, you were a slave.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow. The Chinook Sign of Freedom, A Study of the Skulls of the Famous Chief, how do you say his name?

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Concombre.

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  Concombre.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  And he was, he was, he met with Lewis and Clark during the, during their expedition. And he was as famous as Sacagawea was 100 years ago. But he's just disappeared. He had an artificially elongated skull, a bunch of images to talk about. He attributed his intellect to his artificially elongated skull.

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that he, they believed-

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  How would you know, though?

• 1:37Speaker 03

  They don't.

• 1:37Joe Rogan?

  They did it when you were a baby.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  Exactly. But that's what they all believed. And there is actually something to this. This is one of the things that's really interesting that I've stumbled on is, you know, Neanderthal, if you look at, the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case is a huge difference. I have an image, if you don't mind, JB, you can throw it up there if you don't care. But it's all in the back. It's like, there's a thing called Chiari Malformation Type 1, where the, basically your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff. And scientists now are saying that it probably came from us and Neanderthal. Brain case, skull, not quite fitting.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  And if you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, the Neanderthal skull's way wide in the back. And that's where all of your motor skills, your smelling, your seeing, your hearing-

• 2:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were more primitive. They're probably super athletes. And the real, the weird question is, like, were they smart? And how smart were they? Like, their frontal lobe is not as big as ours, correct?

• 2:40Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  And that's where all the thought processing and decision-making comes from? So, they probably had insane athletic ability.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. And motor skills and visual ability?

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  The visual ability's important because look at the size of their eye sockets.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Now, imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds, so you were breeding these two species together.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  Look at the jaw on that motherfucker. Imagine trying to knock that guy out? Good luck.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Forget about it. Although, they had chests like barrels, too.

• 3:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  It's like, they all look like you do naturally. They don't have to lift. They're just, they're just that way.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  They probably look a lot more impressive than me.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Well, the guy on the left, he looked, he looked like me naturally.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  I mean, do you remember that one? I think it's just nonsense. But there's this one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being like gorilla-looking, like, super predators?

• 3:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  And he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could see at night? And he had like this crazy, it was very-

• 3:39Speaker 03

  That they were eating us all, yes.

• 3:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Very sensationalist nonsense.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  And the genetic evidence is, you know-

• 3:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that guy.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:46Joe Rogan?

  It was fucking dope, though.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  It is cool.

• 3:48Joe Rogan?

  The idea that-

• 3:48Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  Seeing the dark, you know, like, primate, lives in the woods and was like infinitely stronger than us. Like, could just rip our arms, right? Like, gorilla strong.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  And, but, but not smart enough that you could like, "Hey, man, could you please?" No, no, no, no, no. He's just gonna eat you.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  But also, oddly enough, has a skull that has a larger capacity than us. And so, then we have to think, okay, is it just motor skills? Like, do we, what do we know about the brains of dolphins? Well, we know that their, their brain capacity is quite a bit larger. Like, they're, I think their cortex, their cerebral cortex, I think, is like 40% larger than a person's?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, something like that.

• 4:24Joe Rogan?

  Something crazy like that? So, what is that? Like, what's going on with them? Like, how are they so much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate their environment? So, we ignore it?

• 4:36Speaker 03

  Well, that could be, it also could be a degree of chemistry that they can't, you know, I mean, you can't do fire underwater, really. So, you're kind of stuck with your technological stuff.

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  There's no manipulation, right? So, all of their intellect must go into other areas.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  Social and hunting and-

• 4:50Joe Rogan?

  But then you find out how horrible they are to each other.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Oh, God, yeah.

• 4:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, the infanticide, you know, like dolphins, female dolphins are very promiscuous. And the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not, if he thinks they might be his, he's not gonna kill the cubs. But if a female has cubs, the male will kill the cubs so the female will breed again. It's like, hey, I thought you guys were like the super peaceful fucking smart ones.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Sounds like, sounds like, kinda like us.

• 5:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies so that the women will breed again. But it gets close.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Chimpanzees do it.

• 5:31Joe Rogan?

  Do they do that?

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, they do that kind of stuff, though.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  Bears do that.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's-

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  Bears do two things, they think. They think, one, they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again, but, two, they think they just do it for food. Which is dark.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  That's, that's, yeah, that's, arachnid levels are dark, right?

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Cannibalism is dark.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Always.

• 5:51Joe Rogan?

  And bears are all cannibals. And this is the thing about people and the amprofomor- amprofomorification, is that the word? How do you say it?

• 5:58Speaker 03

  Anthropomorification.

• 5:59Joe Rogan?

  Anthropomorification. I always, I wanna, I wanna say pro, but it's po, right? Anthropomorph-

• 6:06Speaker 03

  Anthropomor, yeah.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  I think you're right.

• 6:08Joe Rogan?

  Um, whatever it is. People humanizing animals. The weirdest one, I think, is bears. And like, you can train bears. There's bears at the circus. You, like, they're an interesting animal. But in the wild, they are some of the fucking most brutal and ruthless creatures. They're, it's basically almost like a giant wild dog, you know? And they tear things apart and they eat things while they're still alive. Like, they're fucking-

• 6:36Speaker 03

  They don't care.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  They don't care. They're fucking horrible. They're horrible to each other. They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them. I, gee.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, just, a different set of morality, I guess you could say, or lack thereof. But, yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear, 'cause I'd probably have been eaten as a cub.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  Or you would've been hit by a car.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Or I'd have been hit by a car.

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the rough one.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Or caught in a trap and trained to be a dancing ballerina bear or some shit, stand on a pole.

• 7:02Joe Rogan?

  The, um, the ancient humans, though, to me, are like, I feel like this is a, this is a, an emerging topic, even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long. Now that they know about Denisovans, now that they know about Homo florentis, how do you say that? Florensis?

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:20Joe Rogan?

  That one?

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Pronunciation on that.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Island of Flores Man, the, the hobbit people. Now that they know, okay, we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't Homo sapiens. And the Denisovans one is fucking super weird. They're big.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  They're big. They were taller than us.

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• 10:50Speaker 03

  There's, some of the stuff that I got for, to talk about here is, like, polydactyly, multiple fingers and, more than five fingers and toes on each?

• 10:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant, okay. Polydactyly, if there's a gene, G.I., um, could you pull up the one that says "polydactyly paper, please? Thank you." It's, they've been studying this, and there's a gene that Neanderthal and Denisovans had, that, a variant that increases polydactyly, it increases cranial deformations, it increases a bunch of stuff.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  This is, I mean, they, and this is, uh, and this is all newer stuff. You see, that's 2023.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  And there's, this is huge.

• 11:34Joe Rogan?

  I saw your video on this where you talked about, there's one family in Brazil that has, uh, like, most of their family members have six fingers and six toes.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  And, yeah, they say it helps them.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 11:45Speaker 03

  Of course. I can grab the ball better. I can play an extra string, right?

• 11:49Joe Rogan?

  Right. Imagine guitar, extra finger? That's nuts.

• 11:52Speaker 03

  I mean, you could even be an ugly dude and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger.

• 11:56Joe Rogan?

  Good luck. Chicks don't want to have kids with a guy who has fucking six fingers. I'm some freak kid.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  The, the, in South America, they actually honored that stuff.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  They honored, they honored genetic deformations. I honestly believe that they were actively breeding different bloodlines together in South America.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Look at that baby. That's crazy.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  It is.

• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  It's got five fingers and a thumb. That's crazy.

• 12:23Joe Rogan?

  I mean, the thing is, they look absolutely normal in every other way, except the fact that they have five fingers instead of four. Like, and it would take you a few seconds. It's almost like you're living in the Matrix and this is like an AI glitch, you know, like AI glitches, they would have people that have like additional appendages. Like, a weird elbow growing off your elbow, you know, because it just glitched.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  The clot walks by, yeah, oh, yeah.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Like, it would take you a while before you, like, imagine if you were high and you went over to this lady's house and you saw her playing piano? And you're like, wait a minute, why is there so many noises?

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Slow down with the notes.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  How would you have so many fingers? Wait a minute, you have extra fingers? Like, this dude had a special gloves made.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Gloves right there.

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he must be a motherfucker of a goalie.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  Oh, of course.

• 13:09Joe Rogan?

  Right? It's the greatest skill for goalies.

• 13:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, but not a lot of space, but sure.

• 13:16Joe Rogan?

  More space. You'd cover it up. But I think. Definitely better if you could teach him how to punch. You have a whole nother finger, that like, the width of the hands would be greater, the weight of the hands would be greater.

• 13:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, the guitar players say it's not the extra finger as much as it is the extra stretch, the extra reach that lets them pop a couple extra frets down.

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense. That makes sense. Especially like, long fingers.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Well, the guitar is still made for a five-fingered player, right?

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  So, you're, yeah, it's not.

• 13:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, you could figure out how to do it with six. Like, look what Hendrix did. He flipped his guitar upside down, played it left-handed.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  I guess Stevie Ray Vaughan, local hero, right?

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Turn that thing and sta, I mean, you've seen the Live at El McComber one, where he, he takes his like, $15,000 Stratocaster, stands on the horns and he's rocking the neck back and forth, and I'm just, whoa, pops the string, just, don't even care, just go. It's not a toy, it's not an instrument, it's a damn toy, it's a tool, it's a, yeah, anyway. I gotta gush about that guy for a bit. I like Stevie, he's pretty good.

• 14:15Joe Rogan?

  We have posters or photos of him from when he was on stage at the club, way before we owned it.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He was on that stage in like, the eighties.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 14:25Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think the picture's from 83.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I popped into Anton's a couple of times to, just, just, just to smell the air.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Anton's is dope. That's a great place. I've seen Gary perform, Gary Clark Jr. performed there a few times. It's fucking sick.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I haven't got to watch his show there. Every time I'm in town, it was up to no good, but, uh, I'm gonna have to catch a show there one of these nights.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we did it and everybody got COVID. The whole crew, everyone backstage got COVID. It's one of their guys. Yeah, one of their guys had COVID after the show. It was like during the whole, during the full lockdown. And they had a concert, and I was like, I can't believe we're at a concert. And then we went backstage, we're hanging out in the green room, and then everybody got COVID.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Fuck, I'm not a fan.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, except me. I didn't get it.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Oh, it's because you were, you know, it's funny, it's, I was, something that I wanted to talk about on this anyway, so we may as well get into it now, is the COVID thing. You know, they weaponized scientific literacy when they said trespass science on the, on the jab. That's, I, there's a lot of things worth talking about, but the, the whole war on science, like, I keep call, I get called a science denier a lot. Fuck that, I'm a science gatekeeper. You don't get to call it science if it ain't science. You stop at the door. Science is a method. It's a, it's a way we get somewhere. It's not the end result. Carl Sagan said, "Science is more than a body of knowledge, it's a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe." The average time for a peer review for a test on a vaccine is about 10 years.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  You crank it out in a year and a half, you haven't followed the proper fucking steps, you haven't done science. I'm not a science denier, I'm not, I just, do it right and come back.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's not a coincidence that there was so much money involved. We're not stupid.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 16:04Joe Rogan?

  We know why, it, it wasn't done because there was no other methods to treat this disease. That's ridiculous. It's not true. And that's why they got so mad at me.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  But, that's where I was gonna go with it. Your doctor, they would say, threw your personal physicians under the bus, and I don't know anything about that, except for that I can't extrapolate. I can guess and say that the guy that your personal physicians probably wants to keep that job, probably doesn't want to see you croak from COVID. And I mean, I mean, I could be wrong, but, you know, it, it seemed really just ridiculous that it was like, oh, they're just pushing a bunch of pseudoscience bullshit. It's like, um.

• 16:38Joe Rogan?

  That you could look at it that way, and I, you know, everyone was scared, and it's not their fault that they, you know, they were presented with this pandemic that caused people a lot of anxiety. But what was shocking to me was how few people were willing to say, what did that guy do? Instead of saying, oh my God, you're anti-science, you're promoting vaccine hesitancy, you didn't get vaccinated and you survived COVID and you're telling everybody how you did it, this is anti-science, like, but it happened.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  Instead, they told you you were using a horse dewarmer.

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, that was completely insane. But that, that's just proof of propaganda. But even without that proof of propaganda, you also have this thing, like, if, if we are all trying to get through something and you see someone who is a very public person, I'm online all the time, I have millions of subscribers, right? So, I'm very scrutinized, and everyone knows that I work out all the time, everyone knows I take vitamins, I talk about it all the time, cold plunges and fucking hyperbaric chambers and all this different shit. Why wouldn't they say, oh, apparently, if you're really healthy and you do these things, and for maybe whatever reason you can't get vaccinated, this works too?

• 17:51Joe Rogan?

  There was never even a consideration, right? Even, even, let's assume the vaccine worked, which didn't. Like, which, which assumed that it prevented infection, which it didn't, prevented transmission, which, which it didn't, and didn't have any side effects, which is certainly not true. So, let's just, let's pretend it did. Even then, you have people that are allergic to some of the ingredients in the vaccine, right? Aaron Rodgers was one of them. And so, if you tell those people, hey, I understand that this medicine that works, you can't take, but here is a guy who did something different and was fine. Like, this is okay too.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Instead, they shut all that down, demonetized people, shows channels down. It was, it was bad.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  It was interesting.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  It wa, it wa, it was interesting. It's, you know, um, it's funny watching it from hindsight because we can look at it now and see where, you know, everything's kind of settled afterwards to a degree. But even still, like, uh, like, for example, the Fauci hearings, nobody who was a big supporter of his that I know personally, knew about that until I told them about it. It was like, it just didn't show up in their fucking radar.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  They don't want to know about it.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Of course not.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  I mean, nobody wants to think that they were completely wrong about that, you know?

• 19:02Speaker 03

  And that was one of the things, they did whip everybody up into a fury.

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look, when you're wrong about something, you gotta say, well, I was wrong about that for sure.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  That's really, honestly, like, part and parcel, not just to being an honest person, but like, especially if you're in science.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  You know, like, uh, your boy, your favorite archaeologist who's not a scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he recently did a thing where he was making fun of me and he's like, pulls up this thing, talking about Easter Island and how Easter Island's earliest habitable layer has foodstuffs from South America and Asia. So, like, as far back as people were hitting Easter Island that were aware of, they were hitting both of these continents a thousand years ago. So, I, I've mentioned this, Flint clips that, he's like, this is bullshit, this, Dan's confidently wrong, he's fully shit. Five minutes later in this livestream, he catches that that is accurate. Well, actually, there is, uh, evidence of contact between the two, but he never mentions that it was on Easter Island. He saves his face rather than, I mean, that's not like a big surprise thing, but the point is, is that if you're.

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• 20:43Speaker 03

  You're not a scientist.

• 20:44Joe Rogan?

  This is what I also think. I think there's all this personal stuff that goes on with these people that is so completely unnecessary. And I think the only reason why archaeologists get dismissed by these, whatever you would call yourself, amateur.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Interested amateur.

• 21:04Joe Rogan?

  Interested amateurs in all things life and looking at these, looking at the data and looking at the science of it. And you're really good at it.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

• 21:12Joe Rogan?

  That should be an asset. That's all that should be. That should be an asset to the archaeologists. And if you think they're wrong about something, you should talk to them. Now, I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to do it. I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith, and I think he wanted to, you know, push a certain narrative. And one of the narratives was, the thing that disturbed me the most is he was trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one that we currently see.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that can be racist. It's human beings. It's not just human beings. It's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  So it's their ancestors. So the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids, right? Whoever the fuck they were, whether they were the people of 2,500 B.C. or whether it was even earlier than that, whatever it was, it was the people that lived right there, the same people. So this is crazy.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Well, the whole thing is, this is what's really funny.

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  Atlantis.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  Well, they say you assume that Atlanteans were white, ergo, it's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about. You're not asking questions about the Colosseum. It's like, okay, well, the Colosseum has written records. So I know why the Colosseum was built, when it was built, the Parthenon, same thing. But you know what I don't know about that was built by white people supposedly? Baalbek. Baalbek was supposedly built by Romans. We're all doing it there, too. It has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with written records. They ignore this. One of my favorite things to throw at him with that is.

• 22:39Joe Rogan?

  And Baalbek has no written records of the.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  Not of the trilithons, of the big stuff. Exactly.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  And how do you not write that down?

• 22:45Speaker 03

  You wrote down everything.

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  The Romans wrote everything down. They had scribes. Their job was to document everything. They were very concentrated on history.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. We went off about this when me and Jimmy Corsetti were here.

• 22:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  But talking about like the Roman foot.

• 23:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in Sub-Saharan Africa. It's Africans.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  Well, I think honestly that, I think Atlantis is kind of a catchall term for a lost civilization that was globe spanning.

• 23:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  And like, they would call us 10,000 years from now, they would just lump us in with the damn French and call us the electronic civilization. And with the exception of GSP, I don't want to be associated with the damn French.

• 23:25Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  I'm kidding.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of dope French people. I love Montreal. I love it up there.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  GSP is going to be at that event.

• 23:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is he?

• 23:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 23:36Joe Rogan?

  He's the best. I love that he's doing a podcast. He's a very fascinated guy. He's fascinated and curious about so many things. And he's kind, and he's open minded, and he's really intelligent. He is so odd. Like, when people meet him, and I go, do you know who that is? And they go, no, he's like a really nice guy. Like, that is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived. They're like, no way. I go, one of the all time greats, if not the all time great. I think John Jones is all time great. But I think he's in the conversation. Like, George is in the conversation of one of the greatest that's ever done it. Meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest guy.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Dude, I made a comment once to him on Instagram where he was like doing these leg workouts. And I was like, my legs will never look like that because I'm sitting on a computer all day smoking weed and reading. And he goes, I'd trade my legs for your brain any day. And I'm just like, shut the fuck up. Your legs have made you millions. What the hell are you talking about, boy?

• 24:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody wants what they don't have, you know?

• 24:31Speaker 03

  He's going to have me on his pod here on the 17th, too.

• 24:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cool.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  He's going to be here the 16th through 18th or that thing at the ACL Live.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, tell everybody this thing that you're doing.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Here at the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference, October 16th through 18th at the ACL Live here in Austin, Texas. It'll be me, Randall Carlson, Base Forge, you just had him on here, Bass4J, and a few other guys. Yeah, this thing. It's got a bunch of AI, see that AI-generated Amish dude in the middle there?

• 25:00Joe Rogan?

  Look at all the pseudoscience on one picture. I love it.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Oh, man, yeah. It's just like Duncan. It's going to be.

• 25:08Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't look like Duncan at all. That's like Duncan on TRT.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  But Kurt and Duncan are going to be there, the mystery boys. Those guys will be, those guys are always.

• 25:16Joe Rogan?

  You hear Randall Carlson has a rap song out now?

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  Not Randall, I'm sorry, Billy. Billy Carson.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Randall, I didn't know what he released. They can put one out together.

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  My brain got scrambled. Randall has a rap song?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  When we were in Sedona, Arizona, him and we were sharing an Airbnb, and he was, he wrote it in like the late 80s. He was spitting bars at me over breakfast. I was just going, God, fucking damn, this was not on my bingo card. Whoa. Randall Carlson rapping at me for breakfast.

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  Carlson is a hip hop head?

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Uh, from the late 80s.

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  How do I not know that?

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Poor Jamie, poor Jamie. I should look it up or not.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  Poor Jamie blowing the fuck away over here. Randall Carlson hip hop, please. Put that into perplexity. Ask our AI sponsor perplexity what Randall Carlson's history in hip hop is. That would be dope. Watching fucking Santa Claus spitting bars like that?

• 26:04Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, man, I was, I was still drinking coffee and nursing my morning bowl. And I was like, well, holy shit. And this is the real world?

• 26:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  But yeah, that's going to be a fun thing. GSP is going to be there now that he just got officially 100% confirmed about an hour ago.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  That's fantastic.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  But yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. But I would be talking a lot of perplexity.

• 26:26Joe Rogan?

  Tickets are available for that? You can get them online?

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, tickets are available. You could get them online, the Quest for Ancient Civilization thing. So, Quest for Ancient Civilizations, if you go to my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there. Yeah, if you look for Quest for Ancient Civilizations, you will have no trouble finding it.

• 26:41Joe Rogan?

  So this conference, available online, people can get tickets, looks like a dope lineup. And it's all the stuff that I love to talk about, so.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. I jokingly called it the Rogan Trinity when we got GSP. We've got the pyramids, we've got the comedy, we've got the ass whooping. We had all three.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  So these people, let's go back to this Smithsonian thing, these people with their altered heads. Is it your suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to appear like people that were already here, like the Peruvian skulls and?

• 27:13Speaker 03

  No, before, I thought, oh, go ahead, sorry.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  No, go ahead.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Before I thought that, but, because like there's skulls in China that were originally mistaken for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal and stuff, like old, and now they say they're artificially modified by people. But, no, I think, could you pull up the image for Chiari malformation? It's got two heads with one circled, like two CAT scans. Well, I was talking about the brain falling down into the thing. They believe that this is a problem from Neanderthal and/or Denisovan mingling with us.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Skull too small, brain too big. So now, if you have this consistent problem, you've got a, always got pressure on the brain. See how it pops down there? You've always got this pressure on the brain. Now imagine if you, you might drill holes in your head, like you've seen all the truncation that's happened down there. There's an image of that, yeah. Then, or you might elongate the back of the skull every generation so that your kids don't have the same fucking headaches grandpa did. And so it becomes a thing that, and this is why, if you check out South America, Paracas is insane this way. They have so many things, the polydactyly, the elongated skulls, the trephination. There's a thing, could you pull up the Inca bone one? Where your skulls meld, the plates in the skull

• 28:27Speaker 03

  meld in the back, if there is stress or a lack of equilibrium, you'll end up what they call Fermi in bones. Ones in the back are worming bones. The ones in the back are so pronounced. Those are called Inca bones because they happen mostly in Inca territory. You also see it in Easter Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in Asia. But this part of the skull right there, there's one that's got a Neanderthal that shows this, too. Neanderthals had this same issue. There's another one, and there's an island, oh, Jesus. But yeah, the, sorry, there's, yeah, there's one that's got like.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  Checking my own head right now.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  There's one with white text at the bottom, Jamie, sorry. But yeah, Neanderthal had it. And it's a, again, it's from a lack of equilibrium. They say it's from the brain and the skull not quite fitting.

• 29:16Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  I think in South America, I think that they were mingling different bloodlines. The same as you can look at a guy that plays Reacher and tell that he's probably got more Neanderthal in him than I do. And they would mingle these bloodlines, and then they would get all kinds of different, yeah, there's a Neanderthal one. They would get all kinds of different genetic variations. And I think some of these were bad, but some of them were honored. Like, you've seen the Jaguar people of the Olmec? Okay. Have you ever seen, could you pull up the dental dysplasia one, the kid with the two fangs? There's dental things. It'll make you grow fangs as a child. And it also quite often will give you a hair lip. Jaguar?

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  And so, like, if you look, yeah.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  And so, like-

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  What do you think that's from?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Again, this is from-

• 30:07Joe Rogan?

  Is that some ancient shit where people used to have teeth like that?

• 30:09Speaker 03

  It's DNA. There, again, where we cross mingle DNA, um, there should be one, uh, right there about the mouths with the, uh, paper. Sorry, I'll have to pull up there to get that title.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, but those teeth, that's not in any other human primate that we've ever found.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  No, it's, it happens in ours, but when they-

• 30:26Joe Rogan?

  So it's just a malformation?

• 30:28Speaker 03

  A malformation. And we have a lot of that, like, the, uh, where some people just keep growing teeth, right?

• 30:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  Um, you know, or you get different bones in the head, um, different shapes of the skull.

• 30:39Joe Rogan?

  I've seen skulls, ancient skulls with rows of teeth.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Some of those, um, I, like, they don't know for sure how many of those are legit, but the, um, there's, there's definitely no question that these things happen. That's, again, the, well, the real problem with this is it becomes a cover-up. Like, a little bit ago, I mentioned that they were, all these elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest. Um, Mount Coffin in Longview, Washington, when Colonel Charles Wilkes, or Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, whose father happened to be a member of the Skull and Bones Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these above-ground burials, and there were 3,000 of them, all of them supposedly would have had elongated skulls, because again, if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck of the woods,

• 31:25Speaker 03

  you weren't a freeborn person, and this was, you had to be noble to be buried there. 3,000 elongated skulls. When he left, this campfire accidentally burnt the place down. All those skulls disappeared. Now, that image that he, uh, Jamie skipped past a little bit ago, is a dude sitting on a pile of bones. This is an Indian burial ground, that they were just looting the things and selling them left and right.

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  Where do you think those things are?

• 31:48Speaker 03

  In people's house, people's hands.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I've never heard of a story of a person having an elongated skull in their private collection.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  I have a couple of people that have commented on my videos saying, like, "I saw one at so-and-so's house in 1978," but-

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 32:00Speaker 03

  But here, but I'll give you the smoking gun.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  It makes sense, though, right? If you're like some Rockefeller-type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  It's funny you brought up Rockefeller. In the 30s, when Tello, down in Paracas, he, he starts putting out, "Hey, we've got these elongated skulls down there, and I need money." He was getting $300 a year to take care of them. Rockefeller gets wind, and history says flat out, he took an unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped three grand and walked back with four bundles. Now, according to-

• 32:29Joe Rogan?

  That's it, three grand?

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, and four, four grave bundles. That's 10 times what Tello was getting a year. 10 times what the guy was getting a year to take care of all of them. He coughs up four out of like 300 bundles. Now, those four bundles were supposedly displayed at the Met, supposedly displayed at the National History Museum in New York. No photos exist, no drawings exist. They may have been repatriated, they may not have been repatriated, depends on who you ask. AI will run you in a damn circle of going with it. At the end of the day, we don't know which four they, what, what they look like, but I can tell you this much. There's about 300 of those bundles to pick from. Do you think Rockefeller, if one of them had great big old devil horns and a third eye, do you think Rockefeller left it or took it with him? Fucking no-brainer shit, right?

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  So the best of the best, always gone. And as soon, when Rockefeller found out that he couldn't go get the ones in the Pacific Northwest anymore, but there were some somewhere else, he ran there. And right now, you sent me the video just a little bit ago, but this is more, there, these skulls are disappearing off the shelves in the museums right now.

• 33:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  Right as we speak. This, this cover-up, there's, uh, this cover-up, I mean, I'm sure you've seen the map, um, 100 years ago, they wrote, drew a map of artificial cranial deformation, and then, like, 10 years ago, they made another one, both of these on peer-reviewed papers. And the older map has more information. There's more, the more areas, they've erased. The island of Nui had it. Ancient Hawaiian people had about 8.9% of them that they dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody fucking talks about that, nobody knows about it. If you want to go look at it, the answer's no.

• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  When you say ancient, like, what year?

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Not sure, but it's when they dig them up and they start doing, uh, prehistoric, they call it, but prehistoric in Hawaii, you know, maybe 1,000 years ago.

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow. So this is all over the world, people are doing that?

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 34:13Joe Rogan?

  And then, what you're saying about the brain size and the, the base of the brain, completely makes sense.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Uh, thank you. I, I mean, to me, it seems like the most smoke, and it, it, not only does it smoking gun, it's like, it coincides with human evolution, because what would be, imagine you've got a Neanderthal, a, a Homo sapien, they're talking to each other, trying to figure out a problem. And they both walk away from that with, like, mad respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't. Wouldn't they want to mingle that?

• 34:43Speaker 03

  So like, uh, Jamie, could you pull up that picture that I got of the, uh, that family tree? Um, it's just, it's like an empty, blank, white family tree, and then right after, it's the, like, imagine if you were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, "Hey, this is where we mingle bloodlines." So like, this is a standard kind of thing, right? And could you pull up that condolabra next, it should be like, um, sorry.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Uh, it's that same symbol, basically, with the condolabra of the Andes. You've seen that, right? The, oh, and, and the condolabra of the Andes is visible 12 miles out to sea. Okay, um,

• 35:22Speaker 03

  now, if you think, we're trying to draw the draw, we're trying to draw the mingling of, of bloodlines, and here's a symbol of where we're doing it. Fucking doesn't, I mean, does that kind of look uncanny? And then, could you pull up that Paracas textile, Jamie? This one even more. This is when they buried people in Paracas. This was, they'd put them in these textiles, and this one textile, look, they're back there. Look at what the, try to translate that and, and keep in mind what I was just telling you.

• 35:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it looks like a monkey on either side, and then a person in the middle. And it looks like there's some sort of a transference of something through the top of their heads. Yeah, that's upside down. Well, there's, first of all, it looks like they did DMT.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Well, clearly.

• 36:08Joe Rogan?

  It looks like they-

• 36:09Speaker 03

  There's hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy.

• 36:11Joe Rogan?

  100% they were on DMT. Um, but that does look like two monkeys, right? It looks like they have tails. Doesn't it?

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it does.

• 36:19Joe Rogan?

  And then the one in the middle looks like the bad motherfucker, that's the boss.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  And that's pregnant.

• 36:23Joe Rogan?

  I've met that guy before.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  I have, I met that guy. I met that guy over there.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  But you see that, notice in the middle of the thing, he's got a, something in his tummy.

• 36:34Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, if you think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different bloodlines to make something more, that image kind of seems to-

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  Also, they always have three fingers and three toes, and then you get to the tridactyl mummies. And I do, yeah, look at the monkeys. I don't know what to think about the tridactyl mummies.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Neither do I. I, it's honestly like, um, I'm of the opinion now that I think that the genetic stuff they were doing in South America, down in Peru, created a lot of artificial, created a lot of natural weird problems. And some of them would be, um, like, misshapen skulls, and then I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them, and I think that's why down there they get so crazy looking, is because it's a combination of genetics and of artificially playing with it.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  And the rest of the world, they don't get that.

• 37:26Joe Rogan?

  So do you think maybe they had like a bulbous, roundish head, but extra-large? Because there's those skulls as well, that seem to be not deformed, but they do have a larger brain capacity.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, though, the ones that are bulbous in the back, those are, um, that's the most common type of cranial deformation that you see. It's what, um, Concomly skull, the chief that I was showing you.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  It's, uh, can you pull that one up, please, Jamie?

• 37:50Joe Rogan?

  So bulbous in the back, bulbous, yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  That's-

• 37:53Joe Rogan?

  Huge.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that, again, that would keep it, and now notice, even back 100 years ago, that picture that he was just sho, showing, that, uh, the other photograph, why isn't his skull elongated?

• 38:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's hard to tell, because he's looking straight on, it could be.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  All of the, all of the artistic work of him is lacking that, for some reason.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, but couldn't you see that if some, oh, that one looks pretty elongated? God, go back to that, that's crazy.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  That was-

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  Imagine meeting those dudes, you'd be like, "Yo, what are you?"

• 38:25Joe Rogan?

  And look, they're doing it to the baby right there. Oh, the poor kid. Uh, imagine being a baby, you're fucking strapped into that thing.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Oh, man, Dave's, uh, in this book here, it quotes from a book called "The Story," that used to be required reading up where I live in. Uh, the guy that witnessed them, one of these kids being their head binding. It said that their eyes bulged out of their skull like a mouse caught in a trap. Oh, my god. So when you think about that, honest, but if your kid was gonna have migraines incessantly for the rest of their life.

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• 40:17Speaker 03

  You might just do that anyway.

• 40:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess they had to do it if you're right. If you're right about the base of the brain, which kind of tracks. But it, to me, the, the, the capacity of the skulls being so much larger and some of the Peruvian skulls is weird.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  It is. It's a funny one, too, because these guys will argue back and forth. You'll get a lot of skeptics that say there is no larger capacity, but the guys that measure it claim that there is and the other guys that measure it claim it's.

• 40:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, that one that we always show all the time, Jimmy, that one that I'm really fascinated by, that one image, it's so big. It's so big, it's so crazy. You're looking at it and you're like, what is that? That, imagine meeting that guy. You would be freaked out like that. That would not look at all like a person. You would think, oh, my God, this guy's from another planet.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:03Joe Rogan?

  Like that guy. And then there's the sagittal suture thing. That some of them don't have the sagittal suture that we have.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, again, um, these paper.

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  Look at that head. Look at that head, man. Also, look at the size of the eye sockets.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's.

• 41:21Joe Rogan?

  The eye sockets are fucking huge. That person must have insane eyeballs. Imagine what their eyes would look like when they're looking at you? I mean, how much bigger is that than a human's eye socket? It's so much bigger. That must have been a wild looking dude. Imagine bringing that guy over to your house for a party? Your friends would be like, yo, who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind?

• 41:43Speaker 03

  I don't know shit. No, I'm not playing. If we're playing trivia, he's on my team.

• 41:47Joe Rogan?

  That guy's the freakiest one, man. The one on the left. But what you're saying might be accurate, right? That that might have been a rounded thing that was manipulated to be a flattened thing.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, I, I think that it was, I think that it was partially natural. Like even the sagittal suture, that, um, this is one of the things they find with, uh, the, uh, Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  That one on the right, is that real? Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horseshit? That's fucking real? Come on, man. What are we looking at? And someone stole that. Someone's got that in their fucking Rhode Island mansion.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  You know those, uh, Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions that they have in Rhode? Very weird, man. I got into a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of Bronze, uh, Gilded Age mansions.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Oh, boy.

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  In Newport, Rhode Island, where all these like fucking super rich creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man. I guarantee you, if you get in their room, there's a fucking glass box and inside of it, there's one of these skulls. It looks like it's from another planet.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, and, and it's so, it's weird to me that they're hiding all this. It's, that's.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  Somebody's hiding all that.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it, the, maybe not just somebody, but there's definitely money behind it because it happens like so fast and it hap, like the, the article, I'll, I'll, I will link an article in a video and it'll be dead in two weeks and I'll have to go fucking find, like, I've got three different ways to find this one thing right now and I've downloaded it because it's, just keeps disappearing and it's the, what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls. And it's just.

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  Is someone scrubbing the internet of the Rock, Rockefeller scub?

• 43:27Speaker 03

  Oh, it still shows up.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it's because someone has them and they're like, shut the fuck up?

• 43:32Speaker 03

  I'm a hundred percent those skull. Do you, it, the history says that he either repatriated them or he left them in the museum and it's like, it, so, and then I asked, you ask, well, what's the catalog numbers? Oh, well, there are no catalog numbers for human remains. Okay, fuck you, I know better than that. It's, it's, and the ultimate, what really gets me is, is this, they gave you the same excuse for Papua New Guinea as they do for China, as they do for Easter Island, as they do for Hawaii, as they do for the Pacific Northwest, as they do for Paracas. Well, it's about, you know, it's about like protecting the indigenous people's beliefs and they, they don't want you to have like their skulls because then that would be like you have part of their souls. It's like, okay, I, I can understand that some of them might think this way, but we got Mennonites in Pennsylvania that don't believe that and they're sitting right next

• 44:17Speaker 03

  door to their friends that do believe that. How am I supposed to accept that the entire Pacific Rim fucking all falls into line? We can't get them to do that same shit in Pennsylvania? I don't, I don't buy it. This is, this is a European thing. This isn't a east, this isn't an islander thing. This isn't a Polynesian thing. It's covering these things up. These people are perfectly content to have their skulls displayed as far as we can tell. But it's always some white dude going, oh, we gotta, we gotta hide those fucking skulls because we got a peasy.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  At the end of the day, please put all your shit in, in, in the museum so that we can keep a good eye on it for you. Can I see it? Fuck you. It's gone. Fuck you. It's gone. Try to find this online. You'll find an, an, an image that says, no image available that has the title and that's it. You, there was one, last I looked, there was one copy that was in a, uh, that was in a library in Malta.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  And you really think that's because someone's in possession of this stuff and they're trying to squash it?

• 45:14Speaker 03

  I think that there's a narrative there that people don't want pushed. I think that it might have something to do with, um, I mean, let's be honest, what I'm talking about, when you start talking about mingling different bloodlines for different traits, this does sound awfully eugenics, right? This does sound like it's dipping your toes into this kind of politically incorrect stuff.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  But how is it eugenics if people just interbred?

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Uh, if, there was a, I believe there was a program in Paracas, like.

• 45:40Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Uh, could you pull up one of the pictures of the person presenting the, when they would bring their Ja, there's, there's, when, those Jaguar babies, right? The Jaguar people in the Olmec society had the hair lip and the things like I was showing? There's more than one statue of them presenting them. There you go. Ta-da, here's my baby. This baby's all fucking mutilated, not like me. Ta-da, here you go.

• 46:03Joe Rogan?

  But that baby doesn't look mutilated, though.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  It's, uh, it, that's not a very good image, but yeah, it's.

• 46:07Joe Rogan?

  Is there any, that one doesn't look, that one looks normal. It just looks like a mother with a baby.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Well, you have to, if you look at the top down, the, both of those, they have hair lips.

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  And they're missing the teeth. They're, they are Jaguar babies.

• 46:19Joe Rogan?

  Like that one? That last image? Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  That's a, that's a trophy skull.

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  With the, the only trophy skull known with a cleft lip. You know, if you were born with a cleft lip, even the Spanish recorded, if you were born with a cleft lip, uh, to their people, they would put you in a temple as part of the workers. You were considered holy. Six fingers was considered holy. Deformations were considered holy.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  And this trophy skull, what is, what do you mean by that?

• 46:45Speaker 03

  I mean that this is like a mummified skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish I could get a real image, but this is the only one that exists.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  And so somebody has that somewhere in the museum or?

• 46:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, or somewhere, yeah.

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  Somewhere.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  But yeah, there's, there's a bunch of these trophy skulls that they kept down in South America. They would wear skulls on their belt. They didn't shrink them or nothing. They just drill a hole right in the fucking thing and hang it right on their belt.

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. But that one was especially prized because that was a noble.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  And you're walking around with a noble person's skull hanging from your belt? That's how they would wear them?

• 47:17Speaker 03

  I'm a badass.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that part of the world was never.

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  So you think there's a potential that they were creating, they were breeding people specifically?

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that they would like pick, pick bloodlines and be like, you know what? You look more like, and you look more like, and you need to have a baby together and then here's the baby. Oh, we got a good one, it's a Jaguar.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  So what do you think the whole tridactyl thing is?

• 47:43Speaker 03

  I think some of the tridactyl mummies look fake as fuck to me, just to be clear.

• 47:47Joe Rogan?

  The early, the, the tiny ones.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, the little, the ones that look like cake.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  But the ones that they do the CAT scans of, you're like, wow.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  You know, I mean.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  And then you find out that they're like at least 1,200 years old. You're like, are you telling me that 1,200 years ago, someone created this?

• 48:03Speaker 03

  I think DNA would be a good way to, to get into that to begin with.

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Because.

• 48:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's just weird that this is all going on and we don't have definitive answers and there's not, also like a mad rush amongst scientists to discover, are these two trophy skulls?

• 48:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead and a rope attached to it.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  They're fucking clowning around.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  With the skin on it and the hair. So this person's just walking around with someone's head wrapped around their waist.

• 48:32Speaker 05

  The description I just read said they were most, I mean, the ones that they found were young women. Like 13 or 16 years old.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  But I don't know if that's what these are.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  That one of them looks like a woman. The one on the right looks like a woman.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Kind of looks like my last.

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  But yeah, it's

• 48:51Joe Rogan?

  That's where things get so weird. When you go back and you realize that entire cultures, they engaged in ritual sacrifice at a mass scale, like what the Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice. And they, their, their culture was so, it involved sacrifice so much that they would go out and get other people. And that's one of the reasons why Cortez was able to group all these other people to attack the Aztecs. Like, these motherfuckers have been killing us ritually forever.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're happy to kick these guys' ass. Oh, wait, you're not gonna help us out afterwards? Oh, like, one of my favorite stories about that afterwards is they're like, okay, we need all you guys to bring all your codices here so that we can, we can put them on these shelves. And so like, all these Mesoamerican codices show up and the Spanish friar is like, torch. Fuck, he watches them all burn.

• 49:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  And there's like a handful left that exist now.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 49:48Speaker 03

  They just bought, it was like three years ago, they bought those ones from a family in Mexico that had had them for like 500 years. And one of them talks about the building of Teotihuacan.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  And the Mexican government bought it for like 250 grand. It was like, like I was telling Matt Bell and Matt Bell's like, that's fucking nothing.

• 50:03Joe Rogan?

  Is that a dope trophy skull?

• 50:05Speaker 05

  Some of these are fucking sick.

• 50:06Joe Rogan?

  Ancestor chief skull. Wow.

• 50:09Speaker 05

  Hold on now, wait till I get to some of these down here.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 50:12Joe Rogan?

  So now imagine if this is, these are crazy.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Oh man, are you sure they aren't from Hellraiser?

• 50:19Joe Rogan?

  This is like straight out of The Predator.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  So these were found in Asia?

• 50:22Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 50:23Speaker 03

  My dear god.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  I don't, some of this looks almost like this is like from out of a movie set.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've glued like tusks under some of the skulls.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  What the, what was that?

• 50:32Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Go, go back up a little bit?

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Well, that looks like something out of Warhammer.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that one on the right with the horn coming out of his nose.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Is it a human child trophy skull?

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Human child trophy skull. What the fuck, man? How did I never hear about this before? Well, how about the one with the headsets on? That one's got headphones on.

• 50:54Speaker 05

  So that's, I don't know.

• 50:57Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck, man? Why, why does it say info, email? Are you selling these?

• 51:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I stumbled across something here. It does say art. Art, tribal art Asia, which is, someone's doing some weird shit, but...

• 51:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that actually doesn't look like a skull. That looks like it's carved out of wood. Like the nose part, it's all filled in. Imagine if they, you found out there was a website, you could just order trophy skulls.

• 51:19Speaker 05

  That's what I was, I did, I was finding recreated ones on Etsy that people are making.

• 51:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 51:28Speaker 05

  It says it's a replica.

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

  Lord.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  But...

• 51:32Joe Rogan?

  What kind of a fucking Etsy person?

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Made by Monster. That's that kind of person?

• 51:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  It's like, I ain't even trying to hide it. Fuck it, I'm a monster.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  Fucking dude with an Etsy page of just skulls. That's wild. Boy.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  But you know, even some of these Olmec heads have hair lips.

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Like I got a picture that's saved on one of those that has it. It was, and again, if you mingle Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA with human DNA, this is the thing, is you end up with facial deformations, including hair lips.

• 52:06Speaker 05

  I think it's real, bro.

• 52:07Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 52:09Speaker 05

  Earlier 20th century Dyac incised trophy skull, and it's got a name, it costs a lot of money, and they say where it came from.

• 52:18Joe Rogan?

  You could buy that?

• 52:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Talking about...

• 52:21Speaker 05

  Logging for the price.

• 52:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that, can you imagine if we had a fucking skull, human skull on the desk? That's too creepy.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  That is.

• 52:29Joe Rogan?

  Because we don't know how the guy died, or the woman died.

• 52:32Speaker 05

  From a private collection from Thousand Oaks, California?

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. See how many private collections are out there?

• 52:37Speaker 03

  I was telling you...

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find elongated skull for sale.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  I was telling you about Concomly.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  That's how I got here, honestly. I was looking.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  I was telling you about that Chief Concomly. He was a huge friend to the honkies that came through that area. He, he married off his daughters to fur trappers. He cried when they moved the fort 30 miles away. He was like, he was, a bunch of braves came up and said, we're gonna go kill all these white guys. He's like, hey, hey, hey, do you know, see how tight their, tightly woven their cloth is? Do you see how strong their weapons are? Do you see any of their kids or their women? Do you think this is all they're capable of, or do you think they're gonna bring more to bear when they bring their families with them? Let's not fuck with these guys. He was really shrewd and smart. He died, three years later, some British dude chopped his fucking head off. They actually had hit him. They, instead of these above-ground canoe burials, they'd hit him because they knew. Dude chops his head off, ships the skull back to England. And it wasn't until this, this came out five

• 53:27Speaker 03

  years after they'd repatriated the skull to the Chinook people.

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  But yeah, they actually carved on the back of his fucking head even. Like, um, yeah, here, Chief Concomly. Here's his skull. Here's a friend's...

• 53:42Joe Rogan?

  If you can't see it, they engraved that on the back of his skull. Oh my god.

• 53:48Speaker 03

  It's like so horrific. And like, so you can see why the Smithsonian might be a little hard pressed in letting this stuff out, but...

• 53:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, the, the Peruvian skulls though, do, do, like, when you, you look at them and you look at the monstrat, do you think there's more to this, this story? Is it, is this as simple as cranial deformation plus they do it on purpose? Or is there a potential for a different species of human that live there?

• 54:19Speaker 03

  There's almost certainly, in my opinion, a different species of humans that live there. And I mean, even, you know, I'm not into the ancient alien stuff, but in all honesty, I wouldn't be, if, if, if there was aliens intermingling with humans, this would probably be the best smoking gun place for it.

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  There's also all the evidence that they were building art that you could only see from the sky.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 54:38Joe Rogan?

  Which is really weird.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Which is really weird. And even things like, like that condolabre of the Andes that I was, that's visible again, 12 miles out to sea. Easter Island's close enough. Imagine the guys jumping down from right here, from Portland, Oregon, just jumping down the coasts to Paracas.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  Where were you drawing the conclusion that that represents genetic engineering?

• 54:58Speaker 03

  I, I wouldn't have drawn it to begin with, but it looks like a family tree and it's like with everything else lined up all the side. It's like, well, I mean, if you're trying to say, hey, guys, this is where we do this, what symbol would you use?

• 55:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  And that's, well, okay. Again, if this was in a vacuum, this, that's not how I got there. This is, this is kind of the icing on the cake, is the Paracas condolabre and that, that textile thing. The honest to god evidence is, I mean, there's a lot of papers that I, a handful of papers that I've got screenshots of there, but you pick your genetic deformation, and then Google it with Denisovan or Neanderthal, and you're almost guaranteed. Hydrocephalus, that big skull thing that I showed there? You see a few of those in Paracas with those great big things? Hydrocephalus is something that's, they, is the frequency is increased when you mingle Denisovan or Neanderthal DNA. It's, it's constant issue.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  That condolabre image, does that image appear in other areas?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  It actually does. It's crazily enough, it appears in Easter Island on skulls that are carved with that same image.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  I, I, I didn't put any in the file, but I've got them in a video. There's two of them that they have. One is like a straight line, and then one's like a Birdman kind of, but it's the same image. It's the same fork.

• 56:13Joe Rogan?

  When you say skull, do you mean humans' skull?

• 56:15Speaker 03

  I mean, decorated like those we were just looking at.

• 56:18Joe Rogan?

  So a dead human that has that on their head?

• 56:20Speaker 03

  That they'd scratched it in afterwards, like that.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 56:23Speaker 03

  There's a, the, the, Easter Island had elongated skulls, but almost all of those are gone. They're, and they're hard to find images of, like, impossible, but they do have these. And they were, like, they would do artwork on skulls after they would die. And a few of them do strongly resemble the condolabre of the Andes.

• 56:43Joe Rogan?

  Is that condolabre, is that anywhere else down there? Is it on other?

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Not that I'm aware of. Not that I've seen.

• 56:49Joe Rogan?

  Can I see that again, please? The condolabre? Because the family tree thing, it's like, is it the same configuration on the Easter Island heads? Or is it similar?

• 57:04Speaker 03

  The, it's, it's not identical, but it's really, what, look for Easter Island modified skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull up the, it'll be a paper. I doubt you'll find it, I doubt you'll find it in the images section, but if you click all, there should be a paper that, um, yeah, maybe you have to go to Google Scholar to find it. I apologize. But, yeah, they've, there's, there's artwork on these things, and a handful of them that is, uh...

• 57:35Speaker 05

  I'll find something here.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  There's artwork on a few, on two of them in particular, that's got that, that same fork symbol. And one of them, they call a Bird, a Birdman. There we go. Bam, there's the Birdman.

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  And then on the same page, you should see, good job, Jamie, you're fucking pimp. See, they did a bunch of art on these skulls, but two of them have that same symbol.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  Do they show that here?

• 58:02Speaker 03

  They're right there.

• 58:04Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  No, it's got, that thing is pretty...

• 58:08Joe Rogan?

  Similar, super similar.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, not identical for sure, but it's, it does have the same three things forking together to make one.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  So it's just a theory that that's the tree of life? Or that's the family tree, rather?

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, no, it's totally, again, that, that, the family tree thing is completely, uh, completely my thing, um, I'm way...

• 58:28Joe Rogan?

  This one represents a penis entering a vulva.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  Right in the back of the head.

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that, he drew it on his head. That guy was like, the earliest bad tattoo art ever.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  Maybe they were honoring a person's ability to deep throat. Oh, this far back, fucker gave you skull, you knew it.

• 58:45Joe Rogan?

  X marked the spot.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  But yeah, again, I, I, the, the imagery and stuff, I can't be a hundred percent all right. I mean, you can never be a hundred percent on any of this stuff, but the genetic, tho- those worming bones I showed you on the back, they call them Inca bones for a reason, because they show up in the Inca. They, the Incas have a higher, the, South American and Peru, they have a higher instance of cleft palates. They have a higher instance of polydactyly. They have, just pick your fucking thing that's in line with all this, and it, it happens more there than it does almost anywhere else in the world. And then when you see everything else, the elongated skulls that frankly beggared belief, um, imagery and stuff that seems to, uh, the way that they praised genetic deformations, it seems almost unthinkable that they wouldn't be trying to.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Imagine if everybody in your society praised kids that were looked a certain way, wouldn't you necess-, I mean, wouldn't some people want to have kids that looked that way?

• 59:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, and there was probably some benefit that also came with that.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Exactly. You're, I mean, again, the...

• 59:42Joe Rogan?

  An intellect, something.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Even if it was just a social one, even, even, the kid could be, uh, think about this, one person born with those weird teeth and a cleft palate that's also a little Einstein-y? Oh, it takes one. From ever, now on, it's like, you, th- this guy looks like Einstein.

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• 1:01:25Joe Rogan?

  That's like when people in the, uh, 1400s were getting syphilis and they all started wearing the big wigs.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Just took that one royal family with syphilis to wear wigs, and everybody's like, gotta wear a wig?

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  That's, that, isn't that, it's, it's gotta, we, we follow these trends, right? It's, it's, people are weird that way, but here we are.

• 1:01:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird one, that, the, the, the higher classification of a person who is born with other human DNA that's giving them specific traits. But the thing about the monster rat stuff, and that doesn't seem like a human. The, if, the, if that's real, the three fingers and the three toes, and don't they have extra ribs?

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Something like that, or extra vertebrae?

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  That's...

• 1:02:11Joe Rogan?

  The size of the head, the whole thing looks so weird. You're like, okay, is, if this really has been carbon dated to 1200 years ago, if that's legit, what is that? Cause the, I don't think that 1200 years ago, people were capable of recreating something like that that's gonna survive in a CAT scan. Why would you do the kind of work that they did that you can only see from a CAT scan? Because the entire outside of it is covered.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Right? It's got the, the, the white clay, and it's all mummified, and there's tissue that's mummified.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  How?

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  No, that's, I...

• 1:02:45Joe Rogan?

  How the fuck did you do that?

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  That's a very, that's, I mean, that's a good point, and ag- again, that, uh, the, the one gene that's responsible for polydactyly, when they, they, uh, in mice, when they introduced it to, the, the GLI3 variant that happens in Denisovans and Neanderthals in mice caused extra ribs, extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental morphology fucked up, and sometimes extra fingers. Sometimes good extra fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers.

• 1:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Did the mice figure out how to get out of the cage?

• 1:03:18Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  I knew they started getting really smart, they started leaving notes.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Pink...

• 1:03:23Joe Rogan?

  Scratch notes in the window let me out.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Pinky, today we conquer the world.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant bones?

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  Yes, I, not only that, but, like, this is funny, when I was here last time, I would've, I would've told you, I don't think so. I mean, maybe six foot five, but I've done a lot of research in it since then. Fuck, okay. One dude, who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong, his name was Aels Hidlika. He was a guy from Hungary who was a medical doctor. He had this theory that's a lot like, uh, the same theories of phrenology, like, uh, Leonardo DiCaprio poking over back of school, boy, that makes you docile. Um, except for it was all encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do it with arms and bone, uh, arm bones and leg bones and all of it. So, he left medical science to become an anthropologist to push that narrative. He fucking said it point blank.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  And then he goes out and says, oh, all these Indian bones that you guys have that are bigger than white people bones? Didn't happen. Uh, uh, this guy's got a vested interest in proving that white people are superior, and that he believes that you prove this by the skeletons, and he comes out and debunks all the giant bones. And the way he did it, he's like, oh, see these bones? These aren't giant bones. It's like, dude, that's, yeah, when I get pulled over by the cop, I pull out the, I don't have any drugs on me, officer, see, these are cigarettes.

• 1:04:43Joe Rogan?

  What year is this again?

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Uh, 1930s.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  And, and there, are there images of these bones this guy's displaying?

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  Very, very little. It's, almost all of this has just been scrubbed, it's...

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  So what was he saying those bones were?

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  He was just saying that, he said that people mis- mismeasured them. This is where, it gets really, really ugly. It's, he accuses people, some of these guys were really good at their job, and he'll accuse them of mismeasuring them and not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure. And the worst example of this, in 1959, 20 years after this dude's on this, one, the dude in charge of the Department of the Humanities at the Carnegie Museum, Dr. Don Dergu, dug up in one of these Adena mounds a, a skeleton, and he says, according to the in-ground measurements, this indicates an individual that in life would have been seven foot, three inches tall.

• 1:05:34Speaker 03

  They debunk it by saying, well, this is just an in-ground measurement, this is just, it's, it hasn't, he didn't do any other, uh, any other work with it or anything. It's like, the man flat out said it indicates. He was, it's 1959, 15 years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons. This guy, they threw him straight under the fucking bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere because they won't show it to you. So, it, it's like, and this was in 59, again, and, and a guy in charge of a big department of the Carnegie Museum, not Dan digging in the backyard, so...

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Is there a chain of custody of that skeleton? Like, can that be traced?

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  Unfor- uh, all the way to the Carnegie Museum where we don't know what happened to it now. This is, this is a consistent issue with these remains. If it's a giant bone or an elongated skull, and you wanna know more about it, real good chance you're not gonna be able to find anything.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  So, what do you think was going on? Do you think there was a completely different species of enormous people?

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Uh, maybe, or maybe even just some of us that had the different, just some, some different DNA in us than somebody else, you know, just a little bit of, you know, I mean, honestly...

• 1:06:41Joe Rogan?

  It's the six finger, six toe thing, keeps coming up.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, um, again, you know, we get that now with just a little bit of Neanderthal DNA, right? So, you get, uh, different species that had more Denisovan in them than us, and still technically might be the same species, but not, I mean...

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it's possible that these giants were Denisovans?

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  It's possible.

• 1:07:02Joe Rogan?

  Because Denisovans were a lot larger than us, right?

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, uh, at least six inches, I'd say, yeah.

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  And if you had a big one, like this Shaq, right?

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  And there's me, you know what I mean? Like, if you have a really big one, like, i- isn't it possible that there's a range of even those things? Like, we only have a couple bones, right? And I think there's something that just came out, uh, from China.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:26Joe Rogan?

  About Homo julensis? You know, that they think it might be Denisovan, that it might be the same thing, right?

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, Dragon Man, the same thing, that's been out for a little bit now, but yeah, they're...

• 1:07:37Joe Rogan?

  There was something that was like, super recent, where they were proposing, cause I think they're trying to figure out what, what we're talking about, but we're talking about it from just a couple of bones. There's not a lot, it's not like they had a whole graveyard filled of Denisovans with various heights and weights, and they can get an estimation of like, what the medium was.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, the vast majority of what we know about them comes from DNA.

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  Vast majority.

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so we have a few bones.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:08:02Joe Rogan?

  But then, it's like, how big? How big were they? Like, is this a 12 foot tall person? Is that real?

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  They, although...

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  There's five foot tall people, and there's nine foot tall people.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:08:12Joe Rogan?

  What's the tallest person today? Like, eight foot?

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Uh, alive now, I'm not sure, but like, Robert Wadlow was like...

• 1:08:18Joe Rogan?

  But he, he had like, a real problem.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 1:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, giant, gigantism, that's like a, a tumor on the pituitary gland.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, you just keep on growing.

• 1:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um, but I think that just for, just an outsized enormous person, I think the record today is like, okay, eight foot, 2.8 inches in 2011. Yo, Sultan Kocen of Turkey. Okay. Come on, man. Guy lives in Turkey? This is like, the, one of the oldest DNAs in the world, where Gobekli Tepe is, how we, is this guy a giant?

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  Holy crap.

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  What size is that guy?

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  Holy crap.

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  What does he look like when he's standing up? Put him over there. Okay. And he doesn't even look like he has gigantism. Does he?

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  He just looks like a giant dude. He doesn't have like, a misshaped head or anything like that.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Um, either way.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Pretty impressive.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Now, ima- now, is that, imagine, is that, is that a gene thing? Like, is that, is that capable of being, i- i- is that old? Is that some old DNA from some other kind of human? Or is that just a really big person?

• 1:09:31Joe Rogan?

  That's a different guy. That's a guy in China, right? And the six finger, six toes ones, is that ubiquitous? Is that, does that occur in all of the reports of these bodies?

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  No, it doesn't. Um, some of them have, uh, two rows of teeth. Some of them have six, six fingers and six toes. What is, like, I got pretty skeptical about, because there's a lot of giant reports in America where people were digging up mounds. And so I got kind of skeptical about who I was taking it from. Like, uh, you know, uh, Joe Farmer, I just was like, okay, I'm, you know, maybe not. But if the guy was, it's like, some of these guys were really good at, at what they did. And they'd say they recorded something. It was... So there's probably a dozen solid accounts that are from people that weren't bullshit artists that had more to lose than they did to gain. And some of them were, two of them in particular are like, good scientists. Like, well-known anthropologists, respected in their field, and they were finding giant bones. And even today, like, that guy that I told you about, Dr. Don Drago,

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  there was a, an anthropologist right now that hurt, like, uh, two or three years ago, she debunked his work by claiming that he just did an in-ground measurement and that was it. And it's like, he clearly said, "This indicates an individual that was this tall in life." It's like, "I did a measurement on this and it indicates, that's clearly telling you, I didn't just take a dead measurement." And they just throw his ass right into the fucking bus in order to keep this narrative going. And that's where, it's weird to me because I don't think Flint Dibble and all of his friends give two shits about the giant narrative like Rockefeller does. I think it's way more of an ego thing with them because archaeology's not a fucking science, Joe. Not even close. It, it functions like a science like religion does. So these guys, they all know it. They know they're LARPing as scientists.

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  They know whether, when they call us science deniers, they're full of shit. So they just have, the only thing they can do is puff their chest.

• 1:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of it is science, right?

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  Sure, some of it is, but let me, let me put it to you like this.

• 1:11:22Joe Rogan?

  So why, why are you saying?

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  Archaeology is a study of human culture by material remains. Okay, now, science, the cornerstone of science is replicability, arguably. If I combine hydrogen and oxygen and you combine hydrogen, we should get the same thing. Now, if I dig up something in my backyard, can you replicate that? Or are you beholden to... What if Joseph Smith digs up gold plates? And I dig up an arrowhead? You believe one and not the other?

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Right, but you can put protocols in place where you have a bunch of people that are all responsible for making sure that everything goes according to plan. And they all report to someone else.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  But, uh, uh, but how is it replicable?

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not replicable, but they are exposing these ancient remains and they are using...

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Well, they can use some scientific...

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Carbon dating...

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Absolutely. They're using physics there. That's physics, right? Um, that's, that's what it really comes down to. Um, fundamentally, archaeology cannot be science, any more than theology. Fundamentally, a miracle, you either believe or you don't. I dug up something in my backyard, you either believe it or you don't. You can't replicate either one of these things.

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, but you can film people pulling things out of the ground. You can prove that it's old. You can, you can... But there's a lot of instances where, like, they're doing a construction dig in Mexico City and they find, like, stone, they stop construction, archaeologists come in. Like, there's a whole chain of custody of where this stuff's coming from.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  So isn't that kind of scientific?

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  Kind of. I mean, again, okay, there's a chain of custody on the Epstein letters, right?

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  But at a point, it falls apart because of, do you believe or do you not? That's what it really comes down to with archaeology is I can't replicate the findings. And if you can't replicate that, I'm not saying it's worthless.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  A historian knows better than to call themselves a scientist. They know it's not, they use scientific methods. A, a, a video game speedrunner, if you know what that is, somebody who's trying to, like, beat Super Mario Brothers, they, they use science.

• 1:13:27Joe Rogan?

  So you'll put an archaeologist more in the line of a historian?

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Absolute, well, yeah, they are, they're...

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Both of them call somebody else when it comes time to carbon date. You know, it's, they, they, they, again, the re- the, the reproducibility is crucial. And like, the argument that they always go to is, well, like, well, astronomy's not reproducible. If you have a supernova, you can't reproduce that. Well, yeah, except I have 100 telescopes all trained on it. So if this guy's data set and that guy's data set, jibe, it's been reproduced. If I've got one arrowhead to dug up out of the ground, we either believe that this dude dug up the arrowhead out of the ground or we don't. And this especially matters when it becomes to these unique one-off finds. Um, it's one thing when it's an arrowhead. It's another thing altogether when it's the Antichthon mechanism.

• 1:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  And so this is where our archaeology becomes, some people, you could understand why somebody might believe the Antichthon mechanism's bullshit. And at that point, it's, it goes directly what I'm saying. It's faith-based. Do you, does this, does this coincide with my worldview or not? Which is why archaeology is like this huge split, um, in between these people that, uh, the guys that are, that are trying to puff their chests and say that it really is what they claim it to be. And then there's the people that are actually just doing good work. And they'll be quick to tell you, you know, at the end of the day, our results aren't, you know, we do science where we can, but we can't say for sure that our results are scientific because we're, it, it's a lot of guesswork at the end.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  And that becomes a problem when they do things like Clovis first. When they're like, "We're going to use our science to beat everything else off the table." It's not fucking science, bitch, so get it out of here. And that's where, uh, yeah, the same thing, like I was saying earlier with the COVID thing. You don't get to, too many of us know what the scientific method is for you just to come in here and tell us it's something else.

• 1:15:17Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  He called it, what's so funny, when you, hearing that debate, he, he tells you, when you're pushing on him like that, he goes, "Well, that's an example of an academic debate. Those things happen." It's like, dude, okay, that same guy I was telling you about, Ailes Hyde Lica, that racist son of a bitch with the Giants? Before, he believed that there were no people in Americas before 3,000 years ago. And even on the Wikipedia page of the Folsom tradition, it still says now that any archaeologist desirous of successful career could not posit an earlier date for the peopling of the Americas, or him and one other dude would destroy their fucking careers. This isn't the first time it's been going.

• 1:18:11Joe Rogan?

  It's ego.

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  It, well, again.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  And it's men mostly, right? It's human men and their egos, and wanting to be the gatekeeper of information.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  I'm an expert.

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  The authority, I'm the authority figure, yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Oh, imagine, imagine the, the shot to the ego it takes with, to be a guy like Flint. You study all your time and you study all this crap, and then Graham comes along and he studies and he writes, he writes a fake history, and you write a fake history, and his sells more. Oh, man. That's just gonna cry right up, right up in his ass, and it does.

• 1:18:43Joe Rogan?

  But they just don't like also that someone comes along and they're super obsessed with a subject, and they're not confined by the academic world, where they have to get funding to do certain studies, they have to get things approved, they want to get tenure, they have to get the approval of the higher-ups. There's all sorts of stuff that happens in the academic world that doesn't happen in the world of the Jimmy Corsetis and the Luke Caverns, and these people that could just go to places and start filming. You know, Ben Van Kirkwick can just go places and start filming and become huge experts in this stuff. I mean, the, the, the information that's available about the Old Kingdom, about all these things, it's all available. Like, anyone can read it if you take the time, and if you really dive into it, and these guys have dove into it.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of these other guys haven't.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  And that's the thing, and they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy, but let's say this, not as obsessed. So, they should look at the Ben Van Kirkwick's as a resource.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Thank you. I, I've been saying this one for a long time, but they do the opposite. I'll give you a perfect example. Jimmy Corseti, two years ago on X posts, "I wonder if the Nephilim in the Bible were the Denisovans or Neanderthal," or something like that. At the time, they didn't know Denisovans were taller than us, so all the archaeologists, "Oh, Jimmy's stupid, the, the Nephilim were supposed to be taller than us, and both of these species are shorter." And I even said, I'm like, "I'll just let this go a couple of days, and I'm gonna show you guys what you're doing wrong." And I let him go at it, and then I was like, "Okay, let's try this. As a science communicator, let's try it like this. Hey, Jim, those ones are shorter than humans, but there are other species of archaeohomid like Gigantopithecus that were taller than us, that might fit the bill. Why don't you look into that and see what you find?" You take somebody's passion, they're looking at the rabbit hole, you shove them in head first.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  That's science communication.

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  Telling them the rabbit hole ain't fucking there, Clover, you're, that's being a cunt.

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, I also think we should all operate, all human beings, under this assumption. We don't have all the evidence for all the humans that lived. We just don't. We only have a tiny fraction, we have fossilized remains, especially when shit gets really old. We don't have enough data.

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  And if you just operate on "we don't have enough data," which is pure, pure, everyone should agree on that.

• 1:20:52Speaker 03

  That's.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  So, once you have, then say, "Okay, this is the data we have, and this points to the fact that new humans are emerging, that we're finding, and we might be wrong about the number that existed." And potentially, there could be a cave somewhere in Siberia, or wherever, and they find another bone. And they go, "Holy shit, what is this one? This is a totally different kind of person."

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  And now you have another one, and you have another one, and who knows how many of them there were? And this will give us a richer understanding of what took place. And then, I think Michael Buttons has a really good video where he's talking about how anatomically human, anatomically similar humans existed a long time ago. Like, why would we assume that civilization and complex thinking and tool-making and technology only emerged in the last couple hundred years, when the exact same species existed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years ago?

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it possible that something, some, some human a long time ago had figured out some stuff, and we have no evidence, no evidence of it anymore, because of just natural wear and the weathering and the earth absorbs things, there's nothing left?

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  That seems more logical.

• 1:22:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I completely agree, yeah. I, I love Mike, he's great. Uh, Michael Button, yeah, he's, he's great. It was one of the things, honestly, I'd, just to really quickly, I've loved watching the last year and a half since I've been on here, left, while you just kinda went through my litany of friends and stuck them in this chair, one after the fucking other, man. It's like, "Hey, that's Luke, hey, I know that cock, I know that guy, hey!" That was really good to see, man.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fun, fun. It's a fun time, it's a fun time to get cool people to talk about cool shit.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  And, and, and the, the passion that these guys have, like you say, that's honestly, um, it's a huge thing. You know, Duncan gave me a really good, uh, really good compliment, Duncan Trussell saying that I was like, that I was all passionate, like a fucking, um, whoa, what's that guy that did all calculus and stuff, the old, old school, Sir Isaac Newton? And I was like, "Damn, I don't think I'm like that, but thank you." Uh, probably got as many chemicals in my body, but, um...

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  Was Isaac Newton a tripper?

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  No, no, he was a, uh, he was an alchemist, so he like died of mercury poisoning.

• 1:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. This is one of the funniest things, I love saying this one on Twitter, I say it once every couple of years. This, the world we live in now, where they'll take a scientist and they'll say like, "Yeah, but this guy's political opinions are all skewed, so fuck this guy." It's like, you know what they would've done with Sir Isaac Newton? We wouldn't have the theory of gravity or calculus, they'd have been like, "Yeah, that guy denies the Trinity, and he's fucking an alchemist." Why would I put up with this crazy guy's bullshit?

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  It's, but, yeah, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, this is one of the things I've actually come to a lot of terms with on my own little searching in this community, is that there's a lot of people that I disagree with on fucking 80%, but that 20% that they're, if they bring honest data to the table.

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  Like, and my best example of this is, goes all the way back to, uh, the 1880s, Carl Christian Roffin, or the 1830s even, uh, he was an anthropologist, he was, he believed that the Norse discovered America before Columbus. And the reason he believed this was because every time he'd see a rock with a glyph on it, he's like, "Man, them dumb Indians didn't know how to carve no fucking rocks." Granted, all their weapons are made out of stone, but anyway, they don't know how to make this, so must've been a white guy." So, he does research, research, research, research, and eventually finds out that it was the Norse that be... Now, he was pissing up a rope with his fucking evidence, line of evidence, but he did honest research, and he got us real data.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  So, I'm, I'm finding a lot that I just have to like, "I really don't like you, but okay, what, what do you got to say?"

• 1:24:33Joe Rogan?

  This is a part of the problem with the Atlantis thing, and this is why guys like Flint always connected to racism, because there were a group of people that were white supremacists that believed that the white race was responsible for Atlantis, but those, those are not like credible historians. These are also not in the same group of people as Graham, or you, or Ben Van Kirkwick, or any of these people. No one is saying that. So, to connect people to something like Atlantis, where there are problematic people that believed something that was racist, just because you're talking about Atlantis doesn't mean everybody who's investigating Atlantis is also problematic and racist. That's crazy.

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  Well, they say, "Well, it, it encourages racism."

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:25:16Speaker 03

  And I, I always jump, they go, "Well, you see how many, their evidence, you see how many white supremacists cite this stuff?" And I always, I always go, "Well, you see how many white supremacists cite all kinds of statistics?"

• 1:25:25Joe Rogan?

  And drink water.

• 1:25:26Speaker 03

  Poverty and crime and all these other things. Should we, should we get rid of all of these statistics too? We should just quit, anything that a white supremacist might use? Do you remember the Mac Tonight commercial, with the, the big, the McDonald's moon man?

• 1:25:38Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  You, don't you remember, um, years ago, like, we were kids, uh, in the 80s, when I was a kid in the 80s, it's, uh, oh, they had a big moon man guy that was singing a Mac the Knife parody, "When the clock strikes half past six, babe, time to head for golden lights." Okay, about 15 years ago, they started using a thing with like some weird voice chat, and this guy's, and making racist memes. Does that mean that McDonald's is fucking racist, or does it just mean that racists will co-opt fucking anything, including Pepe the Frog?

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Pepe the Frog is the best example.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  That poor guy who made Pepe the Frog.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  He was just like, "Please make it stop."

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  That guy was like, "That's not me."

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  And so, but, so, and that's, that's exactly what these guys do, man. We, we can't talk about anything without it being racist, it's like, dude...

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well, that's just a way to dismiss you.

• 1:26:27Speaker 03

  It's, it's a way to weapon, and to drag other people in.

• 1:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  "Hey, man, this guy's talking shit about the pyramids, yeah, whatever. Oh, he's also racist, oh, fuck, we got, 5% of them came over, cool."

• 1:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, it, it's really pathetic, and, um, you know, in all honesty, you know, I get shit during the election cycles from friends and from fans that, for not supporting X-Warsy. And I always tell them the same thing, "Look, most of the third or fucking Seti the second, I talk about ancient history, bitch, I'm not talking about modern politics, that's not what I'm doing, it's not, and I'm certainly not gonna endorse somebody on my platform." As a matter of fact, why do you care what Beyonce says about this shit? Why do you care about any of these fuck, these people aren't political analysts, why do you care that much? Why are you crawling up my ass about, "Well, yeah, but you know, you've got the, people want..."

• 1:27:17Speaker 03

  People want us to all be toeing to certain, it's funny, I swear to God, it's like the whole country's got, like, probably a third of us are little Hitlers. The whole world would be better if everybody just thought just like me. It's like, fucking Christ.

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  And they think they're the open-minded compassionate ones. It's really weird. But it's just the nature of the tribal world that we're living in right now, and it's so divided. And this is one of the giant problems of social media. And I think it's great that everyone has an opinion. And I think it's great that everyone gets to express an opinion. It doesn't mean that you should listen. It doesn't mean you should absorb it. It doesn't mean that it's a valid opinion. You'll find the valid opinions, but you have to sort through the bad ones. And this is how it's always going to be. There's always going to be that how people have a take on it that you fiercely disagree with. People have the least charitable view of this person, or this idea, or this thing. You're always going to have a spectrum of ideas. And you have to allow it. That's how it is. And you have

• 1:28:12Joe Rogan?

  to counter that with a better perspective. That's it. And if you're coming at it from you want to silence and destroy everyone who disagrees with you, especially on something as complex as ancient history, like, that seems like you're doing a bad thing. That seems like you're denying the resource of all these obsessed people.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's, I completely agree with, as a matter of fact-

• 1:28:37Joe Rogan?

  And if they're getting something wrong, like, yeah, have a conversation with those people and explain why they're getting something wrong. But be good faith about it.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  The Society for American Archaeology's original bylaws, their very first law was, their intention was to cultivate a better relationship between interested amateurs and professional archaeologists, and to offer help when requested to those interested amateurs. They're doing neither one of those things right now. Number one, they are pissing all over the relationship between people that are interested amateurs and the professional archaeologists. They can't even talk to each other anymore.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  And don't you think that's also a little bit of jealousy? Because these interested amateurs have all of a sudden-

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  Come to the forefront.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  And they're making money off of it.

• 1:29:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When Flint found out that I had supporters, he lost his shit. He's, "People pay him money for the, oh, my fucking god."

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Silly. Silly to worry about that. But it's also like, just YouTube revenue. Guys like Ben Van Kirkwick's videos get millions of views, you know? Like, there's, there's real money in it. And they're not making money.

• 1:29:42Speaker 03

  No. Not like that, no.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  And they gotta be pissed.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  And I'm sure that's-

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  "I went to school for this."

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  But the other thing, and again, in that bylaws, it says to offer help when requested to interested amateurs. When's the last time Graham Hancock asked one of these cocksuckers their opinion? They don't. They give him the help whether he wants it or not. They've completely lost the plot, even-

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem is the way they frame it. Like, when they were talking about his Netflix show being one of the most dangerous shows on television, how is it dangerous to talk about evidence of a lost civilization? That seems insane.

• 1:30:17Speaker 03

  Their, their egos are at the, have you ever read that letter from that, that they wrote to Netflix?

• 1:30:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:30:24Speaker 03

  Okay, they had three problems, right? And they list them, one, two, three. Now, you would assume, these are professional archaeologists, and they're talking about Graham Hancock, you'd assume number one is, he got a bunch of shit wrong.

• 1:30:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  No, number one is, he talks shit about archaeologists and he doesn't listen to us. That was number one. They couldn't even hide their ego in the fucking list. It's like, hmm, it's just-

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Also not true.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  They're petulant children. I swear to fucking god.

• 1:30:47Joe Rogan?

  Also not true.

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:49Joe Rogan?

  He listens.

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  Oh, dude. He puts them on, the difference is, he doesn't want to deal with the guy, if you're gonna come in and just poo-poo everything and say, "No, that's not true, no, that's not true, no, that's not true," well, then, yeah, you're not gonna, I'm not gonna put up with that shit. You guys have an actual conversation with me, sure. But if you're just-

• 1:31:07Joe Rogan?

  What were the other two problems?

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  The other two problems, one was that he was wrong. Well, the other one was that it promotes white supremacy. And, and the best part about that is, they say, because this, this theory, the exact wording is, this theory dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly, blah, blah, blah. Ignatius Donnelly was a left, he was liberal as fuck. He was a feminist and an abolitionist, but he was also a white dude in the 1800s. He's racist as fuck, by modern standards, right? Just like all the archaeologists were back then. But don't bother with that. They pick him, and they say, "This guy's the one that started the problem. He's the one that created this theory." But you go back 20 years, and Augustus Lepignon, and some other dude, I'm losing his name right now, but there were two French-Americans

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  that believed that the Maya had conquered, were the Atlanteans, that the Amaya had conquered the world, that the Maya were the master race, if you're gonna look at it that way. But they're gonna ignore that when they submit this stuff to Netflix, because it doesn't, they wanted to make it sound like this entire shit was created to support white supremacy, when it was actually not. But they, so, my, my, but my point here is, in a debate, where it constantly revolves around, "You guys are lying about our past," they lie about what happened 15 fucking minutes ago on the internet, where you can all see it, and then they wonder why we are like, "Ha, you guys do lie about the fucking boneheads." Sorry.

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  So, this, this guy, what was his theory? The first guy that is problematic, even though he's a liberal and a feminist?

• 1:32:35Speaker 03

  Oh, well, he believed that it was white supremacy. He believed that the three biblical races, if you know of that, like Noah's three kids, Sam is the Semitic race, the Hamite race was the Africans, and then the other one ended up being the Aryans, it was the white people. And these three biblical races have, biblical racism, they call it, it's been like a thing for a thousand years. But he just clung to that idea, that it was basically these races of after, post-Noah and all this. So, like, you know the story with Noah, like, he got drunk afterwards?

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  Oh, could you, you might want to pull this up, Jimmy. No, after it's all done, Noah gets all drunk, and he's like laying around naked, and one of his sons laughs at him, and one of them doesn't. So, like, he curses the lowest of them, and he praises the highest. And when you see the Bible verse, it's like, "You're gonna be the servants to this one, and he can sleep in your tent whenever he wants." And you can see why this was used to promote racial superiority.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Ah, right.

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  But it's, that's where it came from. So, if they really wanted to, they could have been saying, "The Bible created racism, and that was a problem."

• 1:33:49Joe Rogan?

  But it's also very silly to connect the idea of ancient civilizations to one person. That's so silly. That's so silly. When you're talking about evidence all over the world, we're talking about Baal back, we're talking about the Maya, we're talking about the Egyptians, we're talking about, all over the world, and you're gonna connect it to white supremacy? Isn't it more plausible that we don't know what happened?

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  Just a little bit. I mean, but you gotta understand, these guys are the ones that follow, like, I, I break your rules some when I argue with the people in the trenches, right? And the guys that follow Flint Dibble, they'll all the time, they'll make fun of you. "You believe in lost civilizations?" And my answer is, "Do you think we found every civilization?" "Oh, no, so you're just throwing around stupid shit, just talking crap."

• 1:34:35Joe Rogan?

  The idea that there'd be evidence left over, other than the stuff that we've already found, like, what are you looking for that's 100,000 years old? It doesn't mean that there wasn't something going on 100,000 years ago. And it seems like there was definitely something going on at least 12,000 years ago. So, that fucks up our whole timeline.

• 1:34:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  And they want to still attribute that to hunter-gatherers, just for convenience. The idea that the Go-Bekli-Tepi structures were made by hunter-gatherers, like, why would they do that?

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  How did they do that? How come they didn't make houses, but they made that stuff?

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  How come?

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  Well, it's, that's a tough one, man. You know, uh-

• 1:35:13Joe Rogan?

  What were their tools?

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  They're looking at, you know, Karan-Tepi, they're actually talking about covering that again. Like, did it go back to, which is fucked. I don't know if you know Megalithomania, Hugh Newman? He's, he's, there are not a lot of people that I would, would mention on your show, but he's definitely one of them. He's, he's, he's a badass. He's been doing this forever. And he's doing all this archeoastronomy work out there at Karan-Tepi, and they're covering, they're getting ready to cover it, and he's just going, "Uh, uh."

• 1:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Why are they covering it?

• 1:35:40Speaker 03

  They're claiming it's for tourism, to protect the site and all this.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  What do you think it is?

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  I don't know. It might, that might well be it. I do know that-

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  How does it protect the site, though?

• 1:35:51Speaker 03

  Keeps it from raining on it, I don't know.

• 1:35:53Joe Rogan?

  But it's stone, right?

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, honestly.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Honestly, it gets weird when you look at the third world because, or poorer countries like that, because, you know, my iPhone could feed a family over there for a month. So it's like, these guys are gonna do, they've got a different set of priorities than us.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:36:11Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:36:12Joe Rogan?

  But wouldn't you think that more things getting exposed would equal more tourism, which would equal more revenue?

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  Yes and no. Um, I did a video a while back about Zahi Hawass being a heel, like, like a wrestling heel. Deliberate, I'm a hundred percent on this.

• 1:36:28Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:36:29Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that he doesn't do shady shit. I'm saying that he plays the villain. Um, I'll give you some examples. There's a clip of him shortly after Arab Spring. He's talking about how to increase tourism. He has two things. He says, one, you don't want tourists from any old country. You want Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans. You don't want the rest. You want people to come in and change your world. Second thing is, doesn't matter what's happening in Egypt. Those new age people, they come. Doesn't matter if it's Arab Spring. Doesn't matter if tourism's down by forty percent. Those new age people, they come. He's, so then, did I find something? Yes, I found it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I

• 1:37:13Speaker 03

  did. It's, you're, come and investigate. Come and investigate. Come and look. Come and see for yourself. Come and pop into those little holes and look for yourself. Go, go look at the place that I told you there was nothing. I think honestly, that's his whole reason that he's playing it to the Hilton. I think Lee Claire's doing the same thing right now. If you watch Lee Claire on.

• 1:37:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't know who that is.

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  Lee Claire is the archaeologist in charge of Gobekli Tepe. He's a big dude down there. And if you look at him on Twitter, he's doing the exact same thing. He's constantly arguing, he's picking at Jimmy. I actually blocked the guy. I don't block many scientists, but that aren't constantly antagonistic towards me. He was, every day I'd wake up and more talking shit about me. He's just pissing everybody off. And the whole point, in my opinion, is to make it where people want to come and look at what you're hiding. If something's being hidden, you have to have a villain hiding it, right? Give me a touchstone. So like, what the fuck is Zahi Hawass? Think about it. What is Zahi Hawass hiding? Is that a crazy statement to make? No, it's not. And I think he cultivated that. I think that's an image that he made to increase tourist revenue.

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• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

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• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  Spend money. Yeah.

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:40:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't think that's the whole, the whole steal.

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  I think you went a little too tinfoil headed. I think it's a little more simple than that.

• 1:40:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:13Joe Rogan?

  I think he's been in control of the narrative there for a long time. And there's also some weird stuff with things missing.

• 1:40:19Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I'm not saying that he didn't steal stuff.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  The weird stuff with things missing is like you would want to really control the narrative if like skeletons that you reported discovering, then you say there's no skeletons, right? Isn't there one of those in one of the sarcophaguses?

• 1:40:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that one.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  There was an original story from like the eighties that they found the skeleton.

• 1:40:41Speaker 03

  And they're just, no, no skeleton.

• 1:40:43Joe Rogan?

  And the problem is, what we were talking about before, that there are wealthy people that will pay you an enormous amount of money for the skeleton. So if you've got some dude, you know, he's got Saudi Arabian money, and he's like, you know, it'd be dope. I want to fuck an Egyptian mummy in my house, you know? And people had them. I mean, this was a thing that people were eating them. Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:41:04Speaker 03

  God.

• 1:41:05Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  When I told Danny Jones that, he's like, what the fuck? Pull that up now!

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people would have these mummy unwrapping parties at their homes, these very wealthy people, and they would eat the mummies.

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  I bet you a lot of those elongated skulls ended up in similar.

• 1:41:22Joe Rogan?

  I know, but like, whose house? How many houses? Who are these people? Like, how does no one tell on them?

• 1:41:27Speaker 03

  I don't know, but I mean, if you look at what, you know, five years ago, I would have said, Dean, I don't know about all this, man. But now you look at an island, you're like, ah.

• 1:41:36Joe Rogan?

  What would you do if somebody gave you an elongated skull? Would you give it to a museum? Like, what would you do? Like, if somebody gave you one of those really dope Peruvian skulls that are crazy, without the sagittal suture, you're looking at the enormous brain capacity, the size of the head, like, what the, the size of the eye sockets?

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  I had scientists after scientists finger-fucking that thing till we got somewhere.

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but would you bring it somewhere where other people could see it? Would you allow the scientists to take control of it and to take hold of it? Because this is my friend John Reeves up in Alaska, you know, he's had some real issues with that.

• 1:42:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Where they'll take bones and then they go, nope, never getting them back.

• 1:42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, and up in the bottom of the harbor.

• 1:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he won't, but this was before his time, but yeah, they did that. Was that the American Museum of Natural History? Is that it? So the, the thing he does now is like, if you want to do work on these bones, you gotta come to Alaska.

• 1:42:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:29Joe Rogan?

  And he built a whole scientific research building and.

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  Well, it makes sense.

• 1:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's like, I don't trust any of you motherfuckers.

• 1:42:35Speaker 03

  Hell, you know where the Baghdad Battery is right now, don't you?

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  Where?

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  Nobody knows. It was grabbed by alphabet boys at the beginning of the two thousands.

• 1:42:43Joe Rogan?

  Which alphabet boys?

• 1:42:44Speaker 03

  Ours.

• 1:42:45Joe Rogan?

  But which one?

• 1:42:45Speaker 03

  Our. I'm not sure.

• 1:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Might be one we don't even know about.

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  All I know is it wa, I'm just gonna say, I doubt that the soldier that went in there had decided he wanted that thing for himself.

• 1:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  But, speaking of the Baghdad Battery, I got a cool little theory on that. I don't know if you've ever seen that, but I don't think it was for electricity. I think it was to separate metal. If you were to use for the electrolyte, if you were to take mine runoff that had like gold and silver and copper and iron and nickel and magnesium, all that bullshit, you put it in that, that thing, after a while, that exact cell that we had, the copper would build, would have a buildup of gold, copper, and silver. All the other shit would go to the bottom. So you could, I think it was a way for them to like.

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  Separate?

• 1:43:27Speaker 03

  And I think that the discovery of this would be super easy. Drop a copper coin and a metal nail into a puddle of that and come back in two days and you're gonna see the buildup of gold on that coin. And so, this explains why inside of the thing, like, there's no residue at all, which is one of the reasons they say it didn't happen. Well, they were harvesting the residue, is my, in my opinion. And this is why you couldn't.

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't they be trace amounts? Even if they were harvested?

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  Now, that's where it would be nice to test it now. It hasn't been looked at in a long time. You know, it hasn't been, been, it hasn't been tested for anything in a long time.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  And where is it?

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  That it's gone. It's in somebody, it's right next to those skulls and those mummies. It's on some dude's shelf that will.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:44:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:44:04Speaker 05

  This is a picture of a street mummy seller in eighteen seventy-five.

• 1:44:07Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ!

• 1:44:09Speaker 05

  So this article on Big Think was saying that this was so popular from twelve hundred to about eighteenth, or sorry, the twelfth century to the eighteenth century, that they kind of ran out of mummies.

• 1:44:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine? You could fly over there and pick up a mummy?

• 1:44:24Speaker 05

  Well, that's before these parties were even happening. They thought this was a medicine.

• 1:44:28Joe Rogan?

  In the corner over there?

• 1:44:29Speaker 05

  They thought it was medicine? Yeah, mummya. We talked about this once before, but there's these, this shit exists all over the place.

• 1:44:36Speaker 03

  And I wonder if any of them would have been better than kufus.

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Go to Lot Ninety-Nine Apothecary Antiques, right up there, upper left?

• 1:44:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Joe Rogan?

  What? Look at that. It's apothecary. So this is like medicine, mummya. So it's like, mummy juice.

• 1:44:52Speaker 05

  This article gets fucking gross.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Mummy powder. You sprinkle it on your steak.

• 1:44:57Speaker 05

  They were so, they were so popular for a long time, they disappeared kind of. It was hard to get them. So they started forging mummy bodies.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. How dark is it that people bought all the dead bodies?

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  Not all doctors thought dry old mummies made the best medicine. Some doctors believed that fresh meat and blood had a vitality. The long dead lacked. Those guys went to the island.

• 1:45:19Speaker 05

  Napoleon was bringing them back, and then they would have some parties, quote-unquote "parties." But that was just still like, they were doing like research, almost, if you could say, like some medicine research. And then that didn't last. That was like thirty years of that, and then they just started having actual parties to show how rich you were.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck? Hold up, pause right here. Eighteen thirty-four, the surgeon Thomas Pettigrew unwrapped a mummy at the Royal College of Surgeons. In his time, autopsies and operations took place in public, and this unwrapping was just another public medical event. Soon now, soon even the pretense of medical research was lost. By now, mummies were no longer medicinal but thrilling. A dinner host who can entertain an audience while unwrapping was rich enough to own an actual mummy. The thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones appearing as bandages came off meant people flocked to these unwrappings, whether in a private home or the theater of a learned society. Strong drink meant audiences were loud and appreciative.

• 1:46:18Speaker 05

  And then at some point, they tried to say that you were getting cursed by doing this.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, didn't the people that filed comments to him, didn't they all die?

• 1:46:27Speaker 05

  That's what this comes up with, next to a student common, sudden death of Lord Arnarvaron.

• 1:46:35Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, you can understand why people would think that too. I mean, you're going around and not just defiling the grave, man. You eat the motherfucker? Come on.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  So, it might, there might be something to a curse like that.

• 1:46:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you believe it. That's the problem. That's how I think voodoo really works. If you really believe that someone could put a hex on you, you're like, oh, no.

• 1:46:57Speaker 03

  I was joking with this hippie girl in Sedona about that. She was telling me about practical magic.

• 1:47:03Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Today, the black market of antiquity smuggling, including mummies, is worth about three billion dollars.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  So today, the black market, right now, three billion a year. A year? Is that a year?

• 1:47:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot!

• 1:47:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a fortune. That's a fortune.

• 1:47:23Joe Rogan?

  And just in shit that should be in a museum. Three billion a year.

• 1:47:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  It just makes sense, man. We see people that are just fucking insane, and they're rich and they just want a thing that no one... That's like the whole thing about like, uh, rhino horn. Right? They wanna drink rhino horn tea because nobody could get it because it's illegal.

• 1:47:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:47:43Speaker 05

  You guys were talking about the Rockefellers earlier, and I thought there's a museum started in Jerusalem where they're, the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum.

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:47:50Speaker 05

  They had sixty thousand artifacts dating back to two million years ago.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:47:55Speaker 05

  Including a, uh, reported hundred thousand year old skeleton, almost complete.

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:48:01Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 1:48:03Speaker 05

  Uh, they also had another one that was sixty-five hundred years old that a while ago was being reported as Noah.

• 1:48:11Speaker 05

  This is where the Dead Sea Scrolls were for a while until they were taken over and then moved to the Dead Sea Scrolls, uh, a different museum. Now that Israel's been officially formed, because they were there when it wasn't actually officially Israel, I guess.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:48:27Speaker 05

  And there's a, a copper scroll I just stumbled across, I didn't know about, that was moved to Amman, and is now part of the Jordan Museum.

• 1:48:34Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:48:35Speaker 05

  So that's one of the Dead Sea Scrolls that looks made out of metal and tin.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  That was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls? And it was made out of copper? Whoa. Well, that's a replica.

• 1:48:46Speaker 05

  Well, that part is probably, I guess, but yeah, I said it was found in Cave Three.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:48:50Speaker 05

  Where everything else is written on parchment, this was written on metal.

• 1:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:48:56Speaker 03

  That's insane.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Copper mixed with about one percent tin. Although no metallic copper remained in the strips, the action of the centuries had been to convert the metal into brittle oxide.

• 1:49:07Speaker 03

  Unlike the others, it's not a literary work, but a list of sixty-four places where various items of gold and silver were buried or hidden. Not a story, it's a treasure map.

• 1:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow, a treasure map written on copper.

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  And a day when copper was a treasure.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:49:23Speaker 05

  And this is a facsimile is now on display.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  There's gotta be so much we're missing.

• 1:49:29Speaker 03

  No, so much we're missing.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  So much buried stuff. So mu... Like, just think of Sub-Saharan Africa, used to be lush and green. Like, what is under there?

• 1:49:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  What's under there?

• 1:49:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, you're dead on, exactly. All across, there's so many places in the world that are that way, if you ask me, that's like, like Easter Island. Um, when the sea levels were lower and that thing was a lot bigger, and it was part of a series of islands that jumped from one to the next, you know? You know what navals of the world are, right?

• 1:49:59Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:49:59Speaker 03

  Navals of the world, like, uh...

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Naval.

• 1:50:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a world, like the Yggdrasil, the world tree, right?

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:04Speaker 03

  Like, connects the underworlds here and heavens. This idea is super common through, Cusco had one. Uh, the Wailing Wall is one. You're gonna go kiss the wall? That's good. That's, uh, that's, that's, that's a world naval. These are always, the Oracle at Delhi, world naval. Um, these are always centers of the society, right? Jerusalem, Delhi, Cusco. Except for, there's one at Easter Island. The far-flung corner of the Polynesian Empire has a world naval. But if you lower the sea levels and look at that as a string of islands, all of a sudden, it is the center of the empire.

• 1:50:42Speaker 03

  So, I really like to ask an area, out of all the places on the planet, I think Easter Island has the most than if we were to, because it's been dug at the least. And has a lot there still. I mean, it's, it's been looted hard, but it, it hasn't been looted like Rome has been, or Egypt has been. Not even close. And I think that, I think honestly, there's going to be a lot more there, the more that we look. I think, unfortunately, stuff happens too quick. We, we find the stuff and two days later, it becomes, like the tridactyl mummies, two days later, it becomes a news story. Half the world, like you say, everything's all polarized now. You could, it's, you could even pick and choose your fucking scientist when it comes to medicine nowadays, Joe.

• 1:51:22Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's completely polarized. So when it comes to something like archaeology, hey, fucking, who do you want? What, what side of the table do you want? You'll find somebody with credentials or close enough to get in line with you, and so...

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  I was talking to a friend of mine about the South American stuff. He said the, the cartels are a huge problem. Because they realize this three billion dollar thing of selling these antiquities, and they're selling stuff to people.

• 1:51:47Speaker 03

  Luke told me, uh, Luke Caverns, he told me that he's, he witnessed that when he was down there. There was a couple of places he went that he couldn't go into because there were guys with guns out in front.

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. So they realize like, hey, someone's gonna give me five million dollars for this head.

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:01Speaker 03

  That's, and so we, again, we lose, we lose everything. We lose all the context.

• 1:52:06Joe Rogan?

  How are they not losing those mummified tridactyl skeletons?

• 1:52:11Speaker 03

  I'm not really sure. That's a good question.

• 1:52:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, I would imagine those are su... Imagine we have one of those sitting on the table right here?

• 1:52:18Speaker 03

  That'd be pretty cool. That would be pretty cool.

• 1:52:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm wondering how much we have to pay for one of those.

• 1:52:24Speaker 03

  Um...

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Probably quite a bit.

• 1:52:26Speaker 03

  Well, to that part of the world, you might get away with two hundred and fifty grand, like they did those codices. The Mexican government, like I was saying, they bought those little codices pretty cheap, man. Two hundred and fifty grand's a lot, but it ain't a lot when you start talking about like... Well, I said that to Matt Bell, if you know who Matt Bell is.

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:52:40Speaker 03

  Uh, he was like, that's nothing. Well, of course, to him, it's nothing, but immediately, the guy that has the money, the two hundred and fifty grand?

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  Fucking put that on my shelf. Frame that bitch.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, he could have probably auctioned that.

• 1:52:51Speaker 03

  You know, it was a family was afraid to, and honestly, that family been holding it for like five hundred years, and in all honesty, I bet they were afraid. I... I honest, as, the way things go, I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some, some strong arming that went on there. Like, you can, you can either get paid for it.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, or we take it.

• 1:53:08Speaker 03

  Just like when the mob, you want paid off for this, or you want beat on the head?

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. It's just, you wonder how much is lost. Like, the burning of the Library of Alexandria, all these different instances throughout history, the burning of the codices.

• 1:53:21Speaker 05

  Just the stuff that's from Peru. This is a website that's got art, uh, from ancient Peru for sale.

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  For sale?

• 1:53:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's tons of interesting stuff here.

• 1:53:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, the que... Question is, how do you know if it's authentic?

• 1:53:32Speaker 03

  That's a huge problem.

• 1:53:34Joe Rogan?

  Because there's a lot of this stuff that's counterfeit. Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask.

• 1:53:38Speaker 05

  It shows the provenance of it. So this one came from an archaeologist from nineteen thirty-eight.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  How much does that cost?

• 1:53:44Speaker 05

  It says thirty-five hundred or something, I think it said.

• 1:53:46Joe Rogan?

  Should we get one?

• 1:53:47Speaker 05

  Forty, forty-five, fifty?

• 1:53:49Joe Rogan?

  How big is that?

• 1:53:50Speaker 03

  I'm not buying one.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Why? Would you get cursed?

• 1:53:52Speaker 03

  No, I, uh, that's, well, it says forty-eight hundred and fifty dollars on something. I'd better be able to drive it around or smoke it, one.

• 1:54:01Speaker 05

  Egyptian bronze cobra.

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow, somebody bought that for two thousand bucks? Wow.

• 1:54:06Speaker 05

  Add to cart right now.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:54:09Speaker 05

  Bam.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  Kinda sick.

• 1:54:11Speaker 03

  I was honestly...

• 1:54:12Joe Rogan?

  How old is it? Six hundred and sixty-four to thirty BCE.

• 1:54:17Speaker 05

  Providence, ex-private New York City Egyptologist collection.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Private New York City?

• 1:54:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, the provenance is weird on all these. It's coming, everything's coming from different places.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting because that's not that expensive for what it is. You got a piece of Egyptian history.

• 1:54:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, the provenance thing's kind of a big deal. If the provenance on them's solid and it's after a certain date, you can't sell them.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Show me what that image looks like. So how come you, how come this person can sell this?

• 1:54:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, because the provenance is gonna come before that date. Like, they're gonna have been, been found before that date. It's like...

• 1:54:49Speaker 05

  Legally acquired.

• 1:54:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:54:52Speaker 05

  So if it wasn't legally acquired, I bet they'd, they'd get you.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  So the laws are probably much stricter now than when they acquired it?

• 1:54:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's like, it's kind of like assault rifles where there's like a, a time when you can, it's okay to have bought them, but if you bought it after that date, you can't have it.

• 1:55:05Joe Rogan?

  Or like pre-ban ivory.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  Thank you. Yeah, same kind of thing. It's like, if you got, if you've had this artifact on your family, we're not gonna go raiding the Rockefeller shelves, but, you know, the rest of you fuckers can't have any new ones.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  You get a gold-winged deity pendant for sixty-seven grand.

• 1:55:20Speaker 05

  Gold shaman.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Yo!

• 1:55:23Speaker 03

  Damn, son.

• 1:55:24Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:55:26Speaker 03

  He got six fingers.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  Sickest. What's that from?

• 1:55:29Speaker 05

  Oh, and also, look, he's got the, I guess you'd say monkey on top of his head like that.

• 1:55:33Speaker 03

  And a two on the side, yeah.

• 1:55:34Joe Rogan?

  Why does it say price on a request?

• 1:55:37Speaker 05

  Uh, maybe that's, uh, estimated here.

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Hmm. So when it says, uh, gold standing shaman, is that actual gold? Made out of gold?

• 1:55:47Speaker 03

  There it is, eighty-nine percent gold.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  What? You can just buy that? Well, look how dopey it looks. Look at the image on the side. Go to the side view. The other one?

• 1:56:01Speaker 03

  Sounds like it's made in China.

• 1:56:02Speaker 05

  Where'd it go?

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's hollow.

• 1:56:04Speaker 03

  I'm not saying.

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that, I kinda, has to be hollow. Those ones are way a hundred pounds.

• 1:56:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. What a sick-looking thing. Show me the front-facing view again.

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  That is wild.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Wild, man. And how old is this supposed to be? Fuck, that's cool. That would bring you good luck. Put that on your desk.

• 1:56:25Speaker 03

  Monkey luck. Oh, man, that thing's got some nipples.

• 1:56:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, does he? Oh, when I was looking at things hanging around, I hope he doesn't have trophy skulls.

• 1:56:34Speaker 05

  Could be. There are his hands.

• 1:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Looks like those are cups, but they're faces.

• 1:56:39Speaker 05

  They look, but they're stained with the heads up there.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  They do look like heads. Does he have two heads in his hands?

• 1:56:45Speaker 05

  And he's got way more than five fingers. He's got seven. Maybe even eight if he's got a thumb.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Again, you can meet that guy. Three heads, a DMT.

• 1:56:55Joe Rogan?

  He's out there. Like, show me the, the face-forward version at the top.

• 1:57:00Speaker 05

  This one's been in Alabama for a while, so.

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow, crazy. I'm sorry, and how old is it again?

• 1:57:08Speaker 05

  That's what I was trying to look up, uh. Five hundred to fifteen twenty eighty. Could even be like five hundred years old.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Either way, that's nuts.

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  That's pretty interesting.

• 1:57:20Speaker 05

  Hundred and, you could put it on a chain.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Weighs a hundred and forty-eight grams.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  What's that, in a pound?

• 1:57:28Speaker 05

  I don't think it's a lot.

• 1:57:32Speaker 05

  Twenty-eight?

• 1:57:33Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, we're all doing weed math now.

• 1:57:35Speaker 05

  Twenty-eight pounds, so it's probably like, even half a pound, maybe.

• 1:57:38Speaker 03

  We're doing weed math, okay.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  What is a hundred and twenty-eight grams in pounds?

• 1:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, point two eight pounds. Quarter of a pound. Wow, pretty sick.

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  That is cool.

• 1:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Just makes you wonder, like, what, what were they trying to, what is that? What is that guy? Is that a guy you see when you trip? Cause it seems like it. Especially, he's all gold. It seems like something you would see if you were tripping.

• 1:58:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot, a lot of that stuff. See, a lot of it gets really difficult for me because then I, I, I wonder about like, our iconography. And it's like, you know, somebody could look at something like that belt and be like, I wonder what the symbolism is behind that belt. At the end of the day, it's like, no, no symbolism, it's just, it looks cool, man.

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  Or a mascot for a team, you know?

• 1:58:26Speaker 03

  Exactly. Why, why is everybody worshipping this Spud's McKenzie dog?

• 1:58:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right. Why is everybody making the bull horns at the UT game?

• 1:58:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:34Speaker 03

  But, but, but, some of these things, you know, um, are clearly, you know, religious and spiritual and, and stand the test of time. Like, um, there's a lot of thi- the, the honoring of people with deformations down there went for thousands of years. I mean, this went from the Olmec all the way up till the time that the Spanish show up.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  I think what's really fascinating is there's so many things that point to South America. So many things that point particularly to Peru, so many things. When you look at the megalithic architecture, especially the oldest stuff, the weird crazy shapes. And then you also look at the elongated heads, and then you also look at the artwork that you can only see from the sky and. Like, how many of these fucking things do you have to see before you went, what was going on here?

• 1:59:21Speaker 03

  You, you should look at some of the, their textiles that they made in Paracas, like, I showed that little monkey thing. Those guys were so good, if you don't mind pulling up a picture of Paracas textiles, Jamie. They were so fucking amazing that these, like, when I first read about them, I was like, meh. And then I looked at some pictures, and these are like, they're otherworldly. These, to think that these things were being made of over a thousand years ago, two thousand years ago. When you, when you, you see them, they are, they're a bunch of little people with just feathers pointed to one side, like they're in motion, dancing and shit. Um, like, pick, uh, that, like, that one you're on right now, Jamie, is a great one.

• 1:59:58Speaker 05

  This one here?

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  Uh, no, the, that, that, that yellow one you were hovering over, the ones with the people. Look, that's a textile, look at that shit, two thousand years old, look at fucking how beautiful that is, how well-made that is.

• 2:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Again, you can see that if you trip.

• 2:00:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  It's very, it's very trippy, right?

• 2:00:15Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:00:15Joe Rogan?

  It's very psychedelic looking.

• 2:00:17Speaker 03

  It's very psychedelic, but then you consider that that same culture was doing all these brain surgeries. They were doing the lines on the ground you were talking about, they were modifying skulls, they were building things. They were, and, and they had people, the artisans like this, this was a culture, this was a full-blown civilization that was above and beyond anything that we give them credit to at this time. I mean, look, yeah, definitely DMT looking, but also, holy shit, man. Look at how artistic that is.

• 2:00:46Joe Rogan?

  I know, look at the little faces that are coming out of his, whatever the fuck's wrapped around his nose.

• 2:00:51Speaker 03

  That boy's having a bad trip.

• 2:00:53Joe Rogan?

  Just wild.

• 2:00:54Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Wild art.

• 2:00:56Speaker 03

  And beautiful, so beautiful, and so, uh, like, like everything else in that culture, they were just. It just seemed to be so massively ahead of all the contemporaries. Um, again, they, they had that symbol, that Paracas Condolabra is visible twelve miles out to sea.

• 2:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:01:14Speaker 03

  And you could think about hopping down the coast, looking for that, you could think about guys from Easter Island looking for that, or from Polynesia looking for that. We've got DNA that supports all that, there's a genetic drift both directions. It looks like people went from Easter Islands to Peru, to Peru, and then back, is what it looks like, according to the genetics.

• 2:01:31Joe Rogan?

  And that was the big sign, like, welcome.

• 2:01:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's my thinking, I mean, and again, it's like, hey, here, we're, we're mingling all, even if it was just, here's the guys from the islands, and here's the guys from up north, and here's us, it's still, it seems like a symbol of like, a mixing to me, like a convergence. Um, and the DNA stuff, again, that's where it really all got me going on it, because it's just, you pick your genetic deformation, and you see it there, like, and with the back of the skull, that's just, to me, it's like smoking gun. It's like, why were they doing this? Well, here's a very solid, real explanation, and then think about like, the evolutionary arms race. This culture is working on bigger brains that can, that has all the intelligence of this species and the ability to see and hear that this species has. We're trying to get the best of both worlds, and these guys aren't.

• 2:02:20Speaker 03

  You're gonna get wiped out by us in a thousand years, five thousand, ten, evolution's gonna kill you off and prop these up. I think it happened all over the fucking world, and Paracas is just the last place that was still doing it. But I think that that elongated skulls, that's why we see it all over the world, as soon as humans, soon as Homo sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger brains than us on the back started mingling, I think this was like, a requirement.

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  This is all post-Jünger-Dry's impact, too.

• 2:02:48Speaker 03

  Um, li- right around, that's like, the oldest skulls that we know of are around ten thousand B.C.

• 2:02:53Joe Rogan?

  The oldest.

• 2:02:54Speaker 03

  Yes, that we know of, and the oldest elongated.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Which is post.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  Yes, just right at the, right, right after.

• 2:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Right afterwards.

• 2:02:59Speaker 03

  In China.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  So, that's the other part of the question, it's like, if there was, uh, a cataclysmic event that wiped out vast chunks of civilization, how much was left? Like, how much, how much survived? Cause it seemed like South America didn't get hit as hard as North America and parts of Europe and Asia, right?

• 2:03:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, and Africa was almost unscathed.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  Comparable, at least according to the megafaunas, right?

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, which is, so, that gets real weird.

• 2:03:29Speaker 03

  It does.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  It's like, so, okay, were those people down in South America fine? And what happened? Was that where advanced civilization existed on Earth and the only place? Because advanced civilization, these other places have been wiped out?

• 2:03:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, that's, honestly, I think that that makes the most sense to me.

• 2:03:46Joe Rogan?

  And what happened to them? That's the real question.

• 2:03:49Speaker 03

  Well, the, the Paracas people?

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:51Speaker 03

  What happened before the?

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, what happened to the people that built these megalithic structures? What happened to the society that existed? Like, was it just time?

• 2:04:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so, like, they still had, you know, by the time of the, of the Spanish showing up, the Inca were still doing those trephinations on the skulls so well that they were up to an eighty percent survival rate. The, the Civil War was about forty percent, by the way. Like, our Civil War doctors, and American Civil, the only Civil War, our doctors were about at forty percent, about half as good as the Inca. At drilling holes in heads and letting somebody survive, I mean, fuck, dude.

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  And why were they drilling holes in heads?

• 2:04:27Speaker 03

  Same reason, because it relieves pressure. So, like, um, like, I'm saying that they were doing it as one of the reasons to relieve the pressure from the headache, but if you just get it, uh, somebody hits you in the head hard enough, you're gonna, could swell up in the brain, you gotta relieve pressure, so they drill a hole to get it out. Um, this was, uh, yeah, a lot of the musket balls that didn't kill a man outright would leave a water on the brain kind of thing, so. They'd have to do what they could to relieve the pressure.

• 2:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Oy.

• 2:04:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's ugly when you, I would not want to have, if I would've got shot in the Civil War battlefield, knowing what I know now, I'd say, just fucking shoot me right here, finish the job.

• 2:05:03Joe Rogan?

  So, my, my question is like, why don't we see people that live in Peru with larger heads and elongated skulls today?

• 2:05:12Speaker 03

  Probably because it's illegal to do it.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Is that it? Is it just a deformation thing, or is it a deformation thing, uh, you know, manipulated thing on top of a cranial deformation that's natural?

• 2:05:23Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, no, if it was the partial natural cranial deformation, I think eventually that would have been bred to be smaller and smaller, and less of a pronounced issue. Um, as, uh, those, like, we're showing those bones in the back that basically do the, the play and stuff. I think that over time, that, that we would evolve more accommodating things for it, but that, it's, I mean, we still have people that have those Chiari malformations today. You know, that CAT scan wasn't from two thousand years ago, people still have this issue. But, um, I think that over time, you know, the ones that were too bad at it, their brains are just too fucking big, they're gonna die off. And honestly, I think that there was probably some of that Inca type of clan warfare going on, now that's just complete speculation, but.

• 2:06:08Speaker 03

  I mean, there was something, you know, I don't know, there was something about a thousand years ago that caused all the cliff dwellers and all that shit. Like, there was, none of these people lived in the cliff dwellings like, two thousand years ago, and then they all moved into the cliffs, and they all stayed for like, a hundred years, and they came back out. Like, there was some war going on, you'd see a tribe of about five thousand people would split up into a bunch of little bands of five hundred, or of two hundred, or at the most. Fifty, the Hila Cliff dwellings, they say, had about sixty people that lived in them, sixty. It's nothing, and they came from a place about a thousand.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  So, you think they were trying to survive raiders?

• 2:06:42Speaker 03

  I think that, I think it was pretty clearly warfare.

• 2:06:46Speaker 03

  And an interesting side note, something that I've never, I went to the Gila Cliff dwellings when I came through here last month and I drove, a buddy of mine, we drove through New Mexico and the big old oil fields of Texas, and we stopped at the Gila Cliff dwellings. And so I looked them up afterwards to make my video about it, and they redacted. The artifacts and shit are redacted, it looks like reading a fucking Epstein list emails. It's just like black bar, black bar, black bar, black bar, and what am I looking for? Just what they found.

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  And this is just the people that lived in the cliffs?

• 2:07:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Like, why would they redact?

• 2:07:19Speaker 03

  Oh, that the archaeologists, that, this is the peer reviewed archaeology, like, the papers that they submitted afterwards, they just, because of what they found. The explanation given is they redact information so that people don't go digging up shit, right? So they're like, okay, except for, in the same paper, it says, "We didn't dig here, and we think there's artifacts here a few different times." They're redacting the things that they found and the people that took them, and then on some occasions, where they were found. It's, and it's not the only thing in south, in the southwest, it's that way. The more I look, I see, it's fairly common.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Why do you think they're doing that?

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  They're finding some, they don't want people to know. Maybe they're selling on the black market would be the most obvious explanation, but, like, the most mundane, but when it becomes a ubiquitous problem, you say, the short answer is the same as why they cover up the shit on the Epstein list, to cover it up, to hide it. There's something there they don't want you to know, and what for sure? I don't know, I can't read into the black bars.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  What could you even speculate? Like, what would they be trying to hide?

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  It could be nothing-

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Cliff dwelling civilizations?

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  It could be nothing more than an out of place artifact. It could be-

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  An out of place artifact?

• 2:08:26Speaker 03

  An out of place artifact.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  How so? Like, what do you mean?

• 2:08:29Speaker 03

  I mean, like, what we consider the antikythera mechanism to be, something that's more advanced for its time. So, you know, if they just found something that, say they don't think that these guys could work iron, and they found an iron arrowhead there that wasn't a trade piece, it was pre-Columbian.

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  You think they would redact that?

• 2:08:45Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know, but I know they redacted a lot.

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  But is a possible explanation, that they just redacted where these things were so that people wouldn't go back to the area?

• 2:08:56Speaker 03

  It would be if they didn't have so much of the, of the stuff that was, like, you have to, like, it'll say, "We went to this site and we found a black bar." And then, "We went to this site and we found black bar."

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:13Speaker 03

  "So and so took black bar." And then, it'll be another site that it says, "At this site, we thought there would be some artifacts, but we haven't dug yet." Well, why is it that site not black barred? That's the one that's, I'm, if all of them want, that's the one I want to go to, because that's the one you said there's still shit left to dig up.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:29Speaker 03

  But that's the one, and according to their explanation, that's the one they'd black bar. But they don't black bar that one, they black, so it honestly looks convoluted. It looks like they're, they're selling a false bill of goods with that. I haven't-

• 2:09:43Joe Rogan?

  What are the other possibilities, the reason why they would redact it, other than out of place artifacts?

• 2:09:47Speaker 03

  The first one, like, honestly, the most mundane is just to sell stuff. That's a really cool fucking piece, I'm gonna go sell it to Rockefeller.

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  And that could be it.

• 2:09:55Speaker 03

  That could be it.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  And that way, they don't have to say what was there, they redacted, and then there's no need to explain where it went.

• 2:10:02Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:10:02Joe Rogan?

  That makes more sense.

• 2:10:03Speaker 03

  That, that makes the most sense.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  That makes the most sense.

• 2:10:05Speaker 03

  It does make the most sense.

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  That's got money involved.

• 2:10:07Speaker 03

  Straight and mundane, and, yep.

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  And people love those things.

• 2:10:11Speaker 03

  But it's become-

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

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• 2:12:00Speaker 03

  And like I say, it's all over the southwest, it's not just one or two sites. I just stumbled onto it because I was looking up the Gila Cliff dwellings, because it happened to have been there. And that's where, I mean, I haven't dug into it enough to put it all together, but it's, you know, when I was here last time, the, the cover-up stuff was something I was a whole lot less liable, I was a whole lot less accepting of a top-down kind of cover-up thing. But the skull stuff has honestly got me where it's just like, dude, there's too much of this information that disappears, it disappears as I use it. I, I quote, put it, link it in the video, and two weeks later, I can't fucking find it again. It's like, at a certain point, it becomes quite obvious that something's being hidden.

• 2:12:44Speaker 03

  When, when the maps change over 100 years and we lose information, you get on Google and ask for the island of New Elongated Skull, and it'll tell you it never happened, but then you can bring up a bunch of expeditions of people that had them from the, it's, it's constant, it's a constant, the information's just not easily accessible, it's hidden, it's covered up, and I don't know why, 100% don't know why. I've got some suspicions, I think some of it probably has to do with, like, people's belief systems as to where we came from. You know, like, to give you an example, like archaeology, like, science in general fought against the idea of gradualism and catastrophism, depending on, in the early days of science, it was out to prove the Bible.

• 2:13:28Speaker 03

  So, things like erosion weren't what was looked at, it was things like floods and the walls of Jericho collapsing. But then the evolution, and then geology, it's about the same time, it's really slow, gradual, so it became gradualism was the rule of the day. And I shit you not, these two did not become, melded together in what they call punctuated equilibrium until 1980 with the discovery of the KT impact disaster, the whole Six Lube Crater, when they accepted that, the scientific community finally figured out what a fucking five-year-old could tell you that looked out the window every day. Sometimes, things happen slowly and gradually, other times, things happen catastrophically and fast. It took science 100 years to wrap its fucking head around that because of preconceived ideas

• 2:14:12Speaker 03

  based on the Bible and where we came from. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if that same kind of psychology was here, "Evolution's bullshit, this proves it." Who knows? But it seems, like, the psychology side of it seems most likely to me that there's some ultra, underlying reason that they just pushing a narrative and that this flies in the face of it. But again, that's total speculation on my part.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  One of the weirdest aspects of this whole UAP thing was that there were supposedly meetings with pastors where they were talking about some imminent disclosure that was gonna be very disturbing to some of their people. And the speculation was that it was some sort of evidence of human engineering, like, that human beings had been genetically engineered, and that religion itself had been made by extraterrestrials in order to placate mankind and keep everybody calm and together.

• 2:15:11Speaker 03

  Sure. I mean, that's, it's interesting stories, but, uh-

• 2:15:18Joe Rogan?

  But the weirdest one, like, all the, the religion stuff made by aliens seems goofy. People made by aliens seems less goofy. It seems like something we would do. If, if you went to another planet and you found monkeys, and you said, "Well, let's take these monkeys and add a little, do a little this, do a little that." I mean, that, if there's evidence that people were doing that in Peru, if that's real, we know that the Nazis were eugenists, we know that that's a concept, that people, that people do things like that. We know that we engage in genetic engineering of animals. We know that we brought back the dire wolf, like, there's, there's a lot of weird stuff that we do.

• 2:15:59Joe Rogan?

  Now imagine something infinitely more advanced than us, that finds us, it goes, "A lot of potential in these genes, but add a little." Cut, cut a hundred million years out of the fucking evolutionary biological process. Let's just fucking ramp these motherfuckers up right quick.

• 2:16:16Speaker 03

  Go up the Zacharias Stitching Route and make them lust for gold and silver. And then every so often we'll just come back, raid Fort Knox, call it a day.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  It's also the Book of Enoch.

• 2:16:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, well, there's a, it's really interesting. There's a lot of these things that do seem to line up with it. It's, um, you know, the ancient alien stuff is.

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Super weird.

• 2:16:36Speaker 03

  Well, it is, like I, you know, it's honestly using the same kind of thinking that you were just using on the black bars. It's like, it's always, the aliens are always the last thing I want to posit because, the last, because it's just the most unlikely.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  That's where you and me differ.

• 2:16:52Speaker 03

  Well, like, you know, I was one of the ancient alien guys, David Childress. I was in his living room talking with him about it and, and he couldn't quite get where my brain is on this. Cause I'm skeptical, but not, I guess. Um, and I, I told him, basically I said, look at it like this. If you walked into the bathroom right now and you came back in here and your wallet was missing. Now I could tell you that a dog came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it. I could tell you an alien came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it, but you're going to think that I fucking did it. And that doesn't mean there's no aliens. It doesn't mean there's no dogs. It just means that we all know what's most likely. And we really use that, that it's just like with the black bars. It's like, yeah, maybe it's an out of place artifact, or maybe he's just selling it to some fucking cocksucker.

• 2:17:35Speaker 03

  And so it's all, that's where I always, I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient aliens, but you gotta get me there. But, but then on the flip side, like what you said about them, uh, um, changiness. I mean, you could take that even to the nth degree. Look at like, uh, you've seen the idea that the pyramids were chemical purification plants, the land of chem, right? One of the things that he says jokingly, but he'll say, you know, if an alien race came here and you were trying to set up shop, one of the first things you would do would be set up ways to like make chemicals and make, make the stuff that you need to make your society. And you would use what was local and what was available. And that does, does jive, right? It does make sense. So there's always, I mean, I'm not completely opposed to the ideas, but there's some things that the Occam's razor is a lot sharper on some things than others. I guess you could put it.

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  But it, you know, I, I agree. But I think the most complexing, most perplexing part about the pyramids is just that they exist at all.

• 2:18:30Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  That they exist at all and that they're 4,500 years old at least. Like it's, it doesn't make sense.

• 2:18:36Speaker 03

  Not even remotely.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that something that is so involved and so massive and so complex. And clearly has a tremendous amount of planning and geometry, understanding of so many different aspects of construction that we have no idea how they accomplished it. There's just too many, too many things that line up with that, where you just go, what is going on? Like, isn't it possible that we're missing something?

• 2:19:07Speaker 03

  Absolutely. We're definitely missing something with the pyramids. I mean, this is, you know, you know, they think it was 28 years that it was, that the great pyramid was built in. 28.

• 2:19:18Joe Rogan?

  Based on?

• 2:19:19Speaker 03

  Based on written records and their assumptions that, that Herodotus was right when he wrote about that part. They just disregarded the rest. What he, when Herodotus wrote about that maze of Saqqara, fuck that noise. 28 year pyramid? Yeah. And I, I've so, I've told so many archaeologists, why don't you go build a fucking fire pit in your backyard with cinder blocks? And get back to me on that 28 years. It's like you guys have, you don't own a fucking tool belt. Go, there is no way, well, you could have it and you'd have all these teams of people doing all the.

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  There's millions of stones.

• 2:19:48Speaker 03

  I, I worked as a construction, I worked in construction for a long time.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the one in China.

• 2:19:54Speaker 03

  Architects and engineers fuck shit up.

• 2:19:56Speaker 05

  Heard of this place?

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:19:57Joe Rogan?

  That one's nuts.

• 2:19:58Speaker 05

  I saw this one recently, but the thing I thought was very strange. They said it was abandoned in like the 14th century, uh, the Yang Sheng Quarry. These nubs are on this thing. We talked about the nubs being on many different pieces.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  They're everywhere all over the world.

• 2:20:14Speaker 05

  They were saying that they had a, they must have clearly had a, a plan, obviously when they were starting to make it. So the nubs were cut on purpose. But they then abandoned it because they figured that they were, they made them too big to move, which is kind of that fucking. They had good planning, but then they also had bad planning.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  So do you think the nubs were involved in the lifting and maneuvering of these things?

• 2:20:37Speaker 03

  I don't know that one.

• 2:20:38Speaker 05

  I mean, that would have to be the plan, I would say, if that's why they were purposely here and they're all over it.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  That one looks like it's carved right into the ground though, right into the rock. That doesn't look like a rock that was placed there. I might be wrong.

• 2:20:51Speaker 05

  No, this is still like, they hadn't moved, these never got moved.

• 2:20:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Right. So it's, but it's a part of a quarry where things did get moved.

• 2:20:57Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  That's what's really crazy. Like, look at that gap, if you go back to that last picture that you just had. Look at the gap between those two stones. Now imagine that that was a individual piece of stone that was removed from that gap and somehow placed somewhere. And again, how long ago and who fucking did it? Who did it and how'd you do it? How'd you do that? What are you using?

• 2:21:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:21:23Joe Rogan?

  And to say that's not a mystery is fucking nuts.

• 2:21:27Speaker 03

  It, I, the, I don't understand why they, why they want to get rid of the side of the mystery to begin with.

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  Look at how that looks. That looks like someone cut that out.

• 2:21:39Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, they started to, but with what?

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Right. But look how big it is. Look how big the slab is that's next to that structure, the one above it, the, yeah, that thing. Look how big that is. Like, was that cut out? It looks like it was cut out.

• 2:21:55Speaker 03

  It looks like a little carving inside of it even, yeah.

• 2:21:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's a similar, I forgot, I'm trying to remember where it was in my head, but it looks like it's floating. I think it's in China too, where it's, it looks like this, but it was put on top of like this. Very small little bit of water.

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're talking about.

• 2:22:11Speaker 05

  It's like a fortress or something.

• 2:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 2:22:13Speaker 05

  Um, I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm gonna.

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:22:16Speaker 05

  I was looking into this elongated heads thing. It was going on in France up until World War One.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Whoa.

• 2:22:24Speaker 05

  And why I'm finding a very interesting thing.

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  A lot of Neanderthals in France.

• 2:22:29Speaker 05

  Well, so they were, uh.

• 2:22:30Speaker 03

  There it was, yes.

• 2:22:31Speaker 05

  They were fashion, but baby bonnets were.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Turn to the left, fashion.

• 2:22:36Speaker 05

  And why baby bonnets were tied on the babies heads. They did it a little bit of fashion, a little bit for protection. But there's something here I kind of stumbled across on enough. Like if you go back further in history, it could make more sense that they're protecting them from spirits. And if you, you know, if you protect, if you tied it tight enough, nothing's getting in there.

• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:22:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:22:58Joe Rogan?

  And that reshaped the head.

• 2:23:00Speaker 05

  And it was a.

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  Eyes bulging out of the trap. Look at that poor kid. Oh, God.

• 2:23:04Speaker 05

  Not on purpose to reshape the head, but that's just what happened, you know, like.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Look at that baby.

• 2:23:09Speaker 03

  Like I said, eyes bulging out like a mouse caught in a trap.

• 2:23:12Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, man.

• 2:23:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, it might've been a protection to just like keep your, like kids were dying for, you know, all sorts of reasons back then. If they thought something would get into their head to kill them too, they probably would do anything they could to protect them.

• 2:23:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Now you can't increase the capacity.

• 2:23:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, it didn't increase capacity is what I was saying.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:29Speaker 03

  That's what they say. It's, it, that one's, I mean.

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Could you?

• 2:23:33Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know.

• 2:23:34Joe Rogan?

  Could you stretch it?

• 2:23:35Speaker 03

  Honestly don't know. I, I, it's, uh, that one's kind of frustrating is because it, again, you get, you can pick your expert. There's people that will say these elongated skulls have a higher capacity. There's people that say they don't. And since you can't go put your fingers on them.

• 2:23:50Speaker 03

  Fucking pick your expert. Here we are again, right back where we started. You pick, what, what, what's your opinion? Well, that's, that's the truth, my friend, and welcome to 2026. Fuck.

• 2:24:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's so interesting, particularly Peru. I mean, when you, just all the different things that point to a spectacularly odd society.

• 2:24:10Speaker 03

  Oh, man, yeah.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  And you just go, what was it like, man? What was, what was reality for them? Why did they make those Nazca lines? Why did they make those beautiful drawings that you could only see from the sky?

• 2:24:23Speaker 03

  The Pacific Northwest has some shit that's pretty wild. There was Mount Coffin, which is the place that I told you that where they saw those, uh, 3,000 burials. Um, in the early 1900s, the Portland Star and Cement Company bought Mount Coffin. And the pictures from before are, it's like a, um, basalt formation and it looks partially modified. Um, I've got three pictures of it there, Jamie, if you don't mind. The first one was just, uh, Mount Coffin. It was like some people, I think it says basalt or something, but there's like some people on it. And the Portland Star and Gravel Company bought it and they mined it all away. They, Daughters of the American Revolution tried to buy it. The Illuminati dude that was all like crazy. Yeah, that's, that's the picture of it there.

• 2:25:06Speaker 03

  There's a picture of a bunch of people standing on it, I think might be the next one over. Um, it's like a bunch of dudes standing on this basalt formation. It's a, a skinnier pic, sorry. But you can kind of see there where it might be artificially modified. The locals say there was all kinds of cool treasure in there. Now the dude that built Longview, RA Long, Raw Long, um, built Longview as a shape of a pyramid. The floor plan of Long, not only has it got a pyramid floor plan, it's actually got a little, little, from the center going out like a little cul-de-sac that goes out, like it's got the focal star from the pyramid coming out of it. It's fucking crazy. The floor, floor plan of Longview, if you just, um, but the streets were paved.

• 2:25:47Speaker 03

  Of the, the four main pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel that came from that mountain. This, this, the, the town is like a goof.

• 2:25:57Joe Rogan?

  Can I see some images?

• 2:25:59Speaker 05

  I'm stuck on the 19, yeah, I'm trying to, I gotta restart.

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:26:02Speaker 03

  Um, but yeah, the, uh, the guy, it was pretty nuts. The guy was like, uh, he, he was a, a member of the Freemason stuff. Um, and they, again, they couldn't buy the mountain. They wouldn't sell it to them, but, but when they, he bought the gravel. He had the roads paved in these weird, um, uh, octagons or hexagons instead of, uh, yeah, like a four plan, you can see like that, see the four from the center? Like if you get a, and.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  How weird.

• 2:26:34Speaker 03

  And there's, if you get a straight top down view, you can see. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, but yeah, you can see, there we go. Getting better.

• 2:26:45Speaker 05

  I think that's harder to see.

• 2:26:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:48Speaker 03

  But yeah, just, just map of Longview, Washington. That, that picture there, the destruction of Mount Coffin, see how that, that's the one there that's got all these people on and stuff and they look like the assault might have been partially made, uh, partially modified. They're not a hundred percent, right? But there were a lot of rumors about treasures being pulled out of that while they were tearing it down, but by the time that this was all being done, there were already laws against destroying Native American mounds and sites and stuff, so rail, this guy, uh, Long was a lumber baron. He comes out there and wants to build up a lumber mill and stuff and all this crap, so he builds a town of Longview. He's a totally planned city. And then he built all this goofy pyramid shit. He's got, there's a statue of him in

• 2:27:33Speaker 03

  the middle of town with, um, a girl handing him a rose and she's holding a dozen roses and handing him the thirteenth, which apparently is some sort of weird Freemason shit. I don't know all the, all their symbolism, but all kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism, right? And, yeah, you see like the, the town's laid out as a pyramid and you see it to the right, the center, how it goes out to that little circle on the side?

• 2:27:55Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:27:56Speaker 03

  Like it's, this was, um, they've cut off the one line since then. Um, no longer do they honor Longview's, uh, Long's original plan. They've actually, he had a statue of him that used to face the rising sun. They've relocated it. That town was fucking weird, man. And they, they went, almost like they're trying to fight his mojo or something, but that's what he did when he stole the Indians mojo. This was their burial mound. This is where they found their sacred.

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:28:21Speaker 03

  Fuck all that. Paved my streets with it. Make that my mojo. And then somebody else is in there now going, yeah, fuck your mojo. It's, it's weird and I, you know, I don't need to believe in all the spiritual stuff, but you know, H.P. Lovecraft has a great quote about that. He says, "I don't need to believe in Santa Claus to know that people exchange gifts on December 25th." I can still follow your craziness even if I'm not crazy, right? So in this case, they seem to be up to fucking some crazy shit over there, but it just happens to be where biggest concentration of elongated skulls in history were.

• 2:28:55Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:28:56Speaker 03

  And it, history doesn't, when I say this shit, all the archaeology, "Oh, there's no proof of blah, blah, blah, blah." It's simple math. To be buried here, you had to be a noble. To be a noble, your skull had to be modified. Three thousand burials are reported. Three thousand elongated skulls. Not complicated here. Not tricky, but they'll argue with this to the, "Oh, Dan doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about."

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay. What is your take on the Grand Canyon?

• 2:29:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird.

• 2:29:23Speaker 03

  Talking of Kincaid's cave and shit?

• 2:29:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:29:26Speaker 03

  Yes, dude, that's, again, one of those things where it's like, you know, two years ago, I'd have been like, eh, it probably is Native American stuff. At this point now, I joked the last one of these, uh, quest for ancient civilization things that we had, I joked on stage when they asked, uh, they were talking about, uh, different things that I said that the next time that we have some nine 11 type of shit and all the alphabet boys run back east, I'm fucking, brought off to the Grand Canyon. It's time, boys.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, right now, you can't go into the area.

• 2:29:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, because all the alphabet.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  It's restricted.

• 2:29:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  There's a part of the Grand Canyon that's restricted because it's air quote, "too dangerous."

• 2:30:00Speaker 03

  Or it's Native American sacred site, depending on who you ask.

• 2:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I haven't heard that part.

• 2:30:05Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, if you, that's been the explanation that I usually see.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that it's Native American sacred site? Did they claim it's sacred?

• 2:30:11Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:30:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause you would imagine the whole thing is sacred.

• 2:30:14Speaker 03

  You would think.

• 2:30:15Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't you think that they were, like, that's not stopped us before.

• 2:30:18Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, all of a sudden, we give a fuck? What about Route Rushmore?

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  But the fact, right, the fact that it happens to coincidentally be the place where this guy said he found a cave with Egyptian art in it.

• 2:30:28Speaker 03

  Exactly. That's where.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  What year was that story?

• 2:30:32Speaker 03

  Uh, I wanna say nineteen twenties.

• 2:30:34Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen oh nine.

• 2:30:36Speaker 03

  I'm lost, sorry.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Let's see, what is, uh, his report?

• 2:30:39Speaker 05

  It says it's a hoax.

• 2:30:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course it says it's a hoax.

• 2:30:42Speaker 05

  Well, I, uh, there were though. There were hoaxes back then.

• 2:30:46Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:30:47Speaker 05

  There were a bunch of hoaxes. A bunch of people, it's like, there were a contest to try to get your fucking hoax reported the most.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's hoaxes. The Grand Canyon hoax, the, the thing that's weird to me is that you can't go there.

• 2:30:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  A nineteen oh nine newspaper story claiming a vast ancient underground city complete with mummies, copper tools, hieroglyphs, and Oriental in quotes, or Egyptian style artifacts, have been discovered inside the canyon, overwhelmingly regarded as a period tall tale, not an archaeological discovery. In March 12, 2009, G.E. Kincaid.

• 2:31:22Speaker 05

  Nineteen oh nine.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Excuse me, nineteen oh nine. G.E. Kincaid, supposedly a lone explorer who had traveled the Colorado River from Green River, Wyoming to Yuma. April 5th, nineteen oh nine, paper dramatically expanded the claim. It said Kincaid had found a nearly inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon that, uh, Professor S.A. Jordan and the Smithsonian were investigating it. The article described hundreds of rooms, mummies in a crypt, copper and gold vessels, strange writing, a Buddha-like idol, granaries, and space for up to 50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what?

• 2:31:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Said the inhabitants may have originated in Egypt or somewhere in the Orient.

• 2:32:02Speaker 03

  But no, I do know that Jason guy and he's, um, kind of a two-faced piece of crap, so I wouldn't trust everything that he says here. If he saw something that flew in the face of his narrative, he will not report it.

• 2:32:13Joe Rogan?

  Who is this guy?

• 2:32:14Speaker 03

  That Jason Colavito guy. He's a professional debunker that's, um, basically, yeah, I, he's, he's one, if, if you ask Graham Hancock to list off the top 10 pieces of shit they argue with him, that guy's name's gonna come up.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  There's no known physical evidence, no cave complex matching the description, excavated material, field notes, photographs, maps, uh, accession records, or peer-reviewed archaeological report. The alleged Smithsonian personnel and expedition do not correspond to a documented Smithsonian project in the way the article claimed. But is there a documented Smithsonian project in the Grand Canyon?

• 2:32:55Speaker 03

  Well, to me, to me, this is like really simple. This is the same as, it's simple to figure out whether or not these skulls have more, like, capacity or not. Just fucking let somebody go there. If it's too dangerous or if it's a native, get a Native American archaeology team, get some drones, fucking investigate and close the door on it. But...

• 2:33:15Joe Rogan?

  Let me ask you this. If they really did find an immense cavern that could have 50,000 people living in it and they found Egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus or whatever they, whatever they found, do you think they would hide that?

• 2:33:30Speaker 03

  I, that's a tough one. Honestly, honestly, something that...

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that the people that discovered that would become famous?

• 2:33:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  And it would be a huge thing and archaeologists would want to get credit for it?

• 2:33:45Speaker 03

  Yes and no. Um, like, like, let's put it this way. Say for instance, you found something that, that, that proved those tridactyl mummies were real.

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:33:57Speaker 03

  You know you're gonna get pushback.

• 2:33:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:59Speaker 03

  Now, say for instance, you're a mainstream archaeologist, your, your whole job is, is reliant on going through the proper channels. Now, I've seen what Flint did to me when I called him out as a liar. You know how many people call me, they put me in the same fucking camp as Madame Blavatsky now. I'm dead serious. They'll call me total pseudoscientist. They say that I believe in all kinds of crazy shit.

• 2:34:20Joe Rogan?

  Who's that person you just said?

• 2:34:21Speaker 03

  Madame Blavatsky.

• 2:34:23Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 2:34:24Speaker 03

  She's one of the, uh, old, like, the turn of the century during the, like, a hundred years ago when everybody was, the, the, what do they call it? They're in the mesmerism era and stuff, when all the people were seances and she was one of those.

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  Bullshit artist.

• 2:34:38Speaker 03

  And so she, they put me in the same category, right? Um, like, the guy that I talked to about the metallurgy in the Ice Age is an ice core specialist. Flint crawled up his ass and got this dude to retract what he said and stuff. If you're a mainstream archaeologist and you fly afoul of these other guys, you're liable to lose your job. Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it says it right in the Wikipedia thing. If you posited an earlier dating of the people in the Americas than this, these guys were going to destroy your career.

• 2:35:08Joe Rogan?

  I understand that, but to get the military involved and to block off the Grand Canyon because there's an area that's too dangerous or it's an area that's sacred to Native Americans, to me is a bit of a reach that you get the Pentagon involved and they, they send fucking Blackhawk helicopters to circle the area and make sure that hikers aren't climbing in there.

• 2:35:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, something's up there. Something's up there. I mean, it might be nothing more than they got a military base sitting in there. I mean, dude, in Sedona, holy shit, I'd never seen a UFO. And I, when I was in Sedona, they, there's a, what they call Secret Mountain, and they handed me, these dudes handed me these night vision goggles and it was like, you're seeing all these little things in the air and then it was like five lights come out from this cloud, they move in unison and then they all disappeared together. And I was like, all this happens over Secret Mountain all the time? I'm like, yeah.

• 2:35:58Joe Rogan?

  Sedona's a weird place, man.

• 2:36:00Speaker 03

  Sedona's fucking weird.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  And the people there are weird as fuck.

• 2:36:03Speaker 03

  I have never seen so many hustlers that weren't hooked on meth in my fucking life. Everybody there's got, everybody there's got a way to make 20 bucks here, 20 bucks there. But that's cause it's more expensive to buy a, to rent a home in Sedona than it is to rent property, to rent business property on the main drag. They can't get minimum wage people to work there. They, they, it's 20 miles to the nearest town, 15 miles to the nearest town, so like, they have a real hard time. Sedona is just kind of collapsing under its own weight.

• 2:36:30Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Well, it's all new agey people, right?

• 2:36:32Speaker 03

  All new agey people and they're all trying to make a buck any way they can.

• 2:36:36Joe Rogan?

  So why are the new agey people attracted to Sedona?

• 2:36:38Speaker 03

  Because of the, uh, because of the, uh, what do you call it?

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Voodoo.

• 2:36:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, the, the, the reputation of, uh, you know, it's funny, the, the guy, uh, my, my buddy Robert, he's organizing this whole thing that's gonna be at the ACL. He, uh, he's lived in Sedona for years and he tells me like a lot of these vortices. Like, there was like three of them that were energy vortexes that were known about. And then this woman comes through in the eighties or the nineties and he said she found a whole bunch more and he says, "It's really funny. She's grossly overweight and that's why every one of the vortices she found is about five feet from the highway."

• 2:37:17Speaker 03

  The three real ones, they're out in the sticks, man, or in the desert. But Madam Oboski, she says it's right there. Right, right next to my bag of juju beans.

• 2:37:27Joe Rogan?

  That's funny. Has anybody tried to find, I know there's this one guy who went to the Grand Canyon and he got chased out. But he found something really weird there.

• 2:37:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm digging, there's, I just found a comment on a video that said this guy was actually hit by a drunk driver. And he has some of the best videos.

• 2:37:43Speaker 03

  Oh, hit by a drunk driver and killed? Yes, he's dead now. Yeah, I used to watch this guy a lot.

• 2:37:48Speaker 05

  This video has four million views in two years, so.

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  A lot of people will use Google Earth and be like, hey, check this out, the motherfucker used Google Earth, and then he'd go there.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  And what did he find that's so baffling?

• 2:37:57Speaker 05

  I don't know, I have to watch the video.

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if they whacked this guy because he found something?

• 2:38:03Speaker 03

  Ah, yeah.

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  That's happened before?

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  What did he find?

• 2:38:08Speaker 05

  That's, I don't know.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  So is he in the area where he's not supposed to be?

• 2:38:12Speaker 05

  I don't know, I'm trying to stumble, I'm going through all sorts of places real quick. I also would go if, uh, it wouldn't be two years later that we just found this amazing discovery, people would have shared this every day on Twitter, you know?

• 2:38:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what is it? What's the amazing discovery?

• 2:38:26Speaker 05

  It could be nothing, I don't, it could be, you know.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  What is this?

• 2:38:29Speaker 05

  I don't know, I don't know where he's at.

• 2:38:30Joe Rogan?

  He found this?

• 2:38:31Speaker 03

  That's a cliff dwelling, obviously, but.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  That's in the Grand Canyon?

• 2:38:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've seen this in other pictures, so it's, it's not a, you know, discovery.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, so we know there were dwellings in the Grand Canyon, the real question is that grand claim of something that has 50,000 people.

• 2:38:47Speaker 05

  Just type in Grand Canyon, hidden cave.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  A thousand hidden caves, although around 335 are officially recorded. And most are strictly off limits to the public.

• 2:38:56Speaker 03

  See, that's, that's where.

• 2:38:57Joe Rogan?

  Now, why are those off limits to the public, but other cliff dwelling places allow people to? What's that?

• 2:39:05Speaker 05

  All sorts of reasons, where they are, like you said, it could be, part of it's on native land, something that's probably very dangerous to get to. And they don't want to come save you.

• 2:39:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. But it does get kind of weird when you look at like.

• 2:39:18Joe Rogan?

  So some of them are legal, it says, "Legal visits Grand Canyon caverns located off Route 66 near Peach Springs, Arizona. The biggest, largest dry caverns in the US and offer public tours." Click on that.

• 2:39:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would say just because it's not open to the public doesn't mean you can't go there, you just have to ask for permission probably in some cases and just get a tour guide or something.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I think the area we're talking about is closed.

• 2:39:39Speaker 05

  That's, I don't, I haven't seen, I'm looking for a list of where the spot is or something.

• 2:39:43Speaker 03

  It's at the mouth of the Colorado River. Is where Kincaid supposedly found his thing, so it's like, right at the mouth of the Colorado River is where the Grand Canyon is like supposed, from what I understand, is where you just can't go. Like on the, on the side of the hill there, on the side of the cliff, but I haven't tried going, I'm waiting, again, I'm waiting for the next time till there's a national disaster and everybody runs back east. Because, man, you know, I, living on the west coast, I don't live far from Hanford, I live a little ways, but it's real clear, like, when World War II happened, they're like, whoa, we're gonna build this fucking crazy bomb that might blow the world up, let's put it all the way on the other side of the country from where we live, over where all those cowboys and hicks live, and if we, you know, if Washington glows in the dark, well then

• 2:40:26Speaker 03

  50 years later, we got a bunch of blue haired motherfuckers running out of Seattle, so you figure that one out as you will. But they definitely, you know, they put all the poison over with us, that's, that's how they plan to do it, it's, um, it's the same with in the desert, right, they dump all that shit out in the desert. Why do they test all the nukes in the desert instead of over somewhere near the east? Because they don't want that shit blowing in their backyard, all those nice Rhode Island houses you're talking about, they don't need radiated. Radiate Seattle.

• 2:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:53Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:40:54Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 2:40:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, Hanford's crazy, if you ever drive through there up in Washington, there's all these nuclear storage facility.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if someone has a reason why you can't go to that area that they could tell us about?

• 2:41:07Speaker 03

  That's, they're, unfortunately, from what I've seen, I mean, I might, I'm not as, Jamie's pretty damn quick, so I'll get, you know, he, he might find something that I haven't seen quickly, but, uh, from what I've seen, it's, it's very much like he says, she says, this guy said there was stuff there, they say there's nothing there, they won't let you go there. There was one guy that claims to have tried to go there and like, he supposedly had a video where like, people stopped him before he got there, but I watched it, it looked kinda, eh, like maybe, eh. But they say that about Secret Mountain in Sedona, they say that if you go walking around on Secret Mountain up in Sedona, that eventually a park ranger will come up to you, but he's a lot buffer and better armed than most park rangers you're gonna meet. And, oh, Joe Rogan Security? No.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you think there's maybe some sort of an alien base somewhere in the United States?

• 2:41:56Speaker 03

  If, if there are aliens and they're actively working with governments at all, then ours, ours, the Russians and the Chinese would be the only ones they'd give a fuck about. Let's be honest, there's, there's not, the rest of the countries or the rest of the world all kinda just follows us. The oils, if you're an alien race, the oils, oh, look at those cute guys in their coal.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:16Speaker 03

  But beyond that, yeah, I think if, I don't, again, I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to alien stuff, but if aliens are visiting Earth, um, then yeah, I would have, if, if they're working with humans at all, then yeah, they're probably working with governments. And when I say skeptical about the alien thing, it's really one of two things, either we're so far away and technology so, like, look at where we're at now, we're maybe 100 years from actually some sort of interstellar travel, and we're also maybe 20 years from completely wiping ourselves out. I was thinking a 20 year old kid with a million dollars can buy CRISPR and sit there and make genes in his fucking base? Fuck, we ain't looking to long left on this rock, bro, we got fucking AI. Do you hear what they did with that fruit fly? They took the fruit fly brain, put it in a computer, a physics engine, and it's all running around and flying like it's real. They max headroomed this fruit fly, they chopped its brain into little pieces.

• 2:43:02Speaker 03

  Well, now they got it playing Beat Saber and fucking Doom? And all this other shit? And you ever read the book, "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream"? At the very end, it's like these aliens genetically manipulating people, and at the end, there's this person that, it's just like a blob, and that's what it says, "I have no mouth, but I feel the urge to scream." Imagine being a fruit fly with, oh, my balls itch, I press the balls itch button, it's Beat Saber. Like, fuck! That fruit fly is gonna suffer more than any other animal in the history of humanity, from kids pulling the wings off a fly. Oh, just set that brain to experience 10,000 years of me ripping its wings off. And here we are, we're, we're doing it right now. We're doing that shit right now that they're ripping the wings, but Beat Saber and shit, that thing's suffering.

• 2:43:43Speaker 03

  So, anyway, my point is, as, as a species, as we look at going out into the stars, we're also guttural as fuck. So, a species has to get through a lot of, has a lot of hurdles to jump.

• 2:43:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:43:54Speaker 03

  But if they jump those hurdles, there ain't no way we're not gonna be impressive, we're not gonna be attractive, because there, it's, the universe is dead, man. So, it's mo, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, life, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, life, they're, they're gonna look at us, so. I have basically two sides of the coin on that, is on the one, I'm pretty skeptical of them getting, getting it going, but if they did get it going, well, yeah, they'd come around.

• 2:44:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know that they would be like us. Like, our idea is like that we're so violent and we develop these weapons, we do that, we're so close to destroying ourselves. What if that's a factor of accelerated evolution? What if that's a factor of you take intellect and this lust for

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  technology and to transform its environment, and you implant that in a territorial primate?

• 2:44:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, I mean, yeah.

• 2:44:45Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're, you're dealing with like a weird hybrid of an evolved species, like an evolved species that still maintains this tribal primitive behavior, but also has this incredible lust for innovation.

• 2:45:00Speaker 03

  No, I, I could see that.

• 2:45:01Joe Rogan?

  So we're like too complicated because we're not good.

• 2:45:04Speaker 03

  We, yeah, we didn't.

• 2:45:05Joe Rogan?

  We're shit designed.

• 2:45:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, we grew out of our, we, too big one direction I follow. And yeah, that's a, that's a good possibility, I mean, it's ultimately, I, my brain on these things ends up thinking about the probability of all these different things happening, and it seems to me, if, if we were genetically manipulated by aliens,

• 2:45:27Speaker 03

  you know, even not if we weren't genetically manipulated by aliens, you know, one of the things you have to do to get off of the rock is going to have to be a curious species, right? That's something, otherwise they don't give a fuck, they're gonna have to be social. Uh, because they're gonna have to work together, or they're gonna have to be godlike in and of themselves. So there's a few things that we can assume about them, but yeah, um.

• 2:45:48Speaker 03

  We only have one example of intelligence evolving. And if it didn't evolve, if it was created like you're saying, then we don't really know.

• 2:45:56Joe Rogan?

  We have multiple examples.

• 2:45:57Speaker 03

  Well.

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  We have dolphins and orcas.

• 2:45:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, we have a hard time.

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  And whales.

• 2:46:01Speaker 03

  Well, we have a hard time, um.

• 2:46:05Speaker 03

  We have a hard time, like you were saying earlier, we have a hard time, uh, understanding them. They might, they might be extremely intelligent in a lot of ways, but there's a lot of things. They might not be the least bit intelligent. A raccoon might be way better, it probably is way better at manipulating its environment than a dolphin.

• 2:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:46:20Speaker 03

  So, uh, at that point.

• 2:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Because it's not necessary in their world, they, they move through 3D space.

• 2:46:25Speaker 03

  Exactly. So, um, but then, so their brain might not even have developed certain things that we.

• 2:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Then the question is, did it develop something else? Like, is their form of communication superior?

• 2:46:37Speaker 03

  That's, oh. See, that's where really, like, the words, like, what is, what's the end goal? Is the end goal to have a good life? Or is the end goal to get off the rock? I mean, if, if the end goal is to have a good like, uh, a good life, Ari Matheson's got it nailed when he, when he talks about the people on the, the love on the spectrum. They're way happier than all the rest of us are. Ari Matty, excuse me. But, um, the, the, the love on the spectrum, or, excuse me, the, uh. The ha, you know, is it about happiness or is it about survival? Is it about getting off the, what's the end goal? It's like.

• 2:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, is the end goal collective for the human species to evolve and advance and move past the state that we're at now? Or is your own individual existence and your happiness currently? Like, what's, what's important? And we don't really move collectively as individual. We think, we do things collectively, but we think about ourselves.

• 2:47:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, when, when people are like planning for their retirement, they're not like trying to help out the human race. They're like trying to provide for themselves.

• 2:47:40Speaker 03

  That's correct. But on the other side, like when, um, when I'm working on doing research and you do a lot of research, you'll probably understand this yourself. Or when GSP invents the Superman punch. It's like, when you bring something new to the world, you kind of feel cool. You know, you kind of feel like I've just contributed to the grand total of human thinking. And I didn't just add like a, a dot or something, I actually, I, I contributed, yes. So you could see, we're almost like a subconscious desire to do that. So, yeah, it is weird. It's like, you know, we do, you watch birds fly together and fish move into school and then you watch mobs. It's like, dude, there is some sort of unit mind that's tying us together. It does, and I'm not trying to get all metaphysical.

• 2:48:23Speaker 03

  It might not be nothing more than, than pheromones and chemicals, but something's got us where people act, you can feel it at times. You can walk into a room and feel the fucking energy and just know, oh, I shouldn't be in this room. These people don't like me, this guy, it's not. And it's not necessarily like a metaphysical thing, although that's the branch, the stamp that everybody puts on. It's one of the unfortunate things is that if something becomes, like, like water dowsing. If something starts as a metaphysical thing, science is gonna knee jerk to the end of time to resist it, but.

• 2:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:55Speaker 03

  Ask anybody who drills wells about dowsing. If they drill wells for a fucking living, they douse, period. Just like a cop knows that full moon fever is a thing. Now, the scientist, wow, full moon fever, statistically, the cop's like, yeah.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  What do you think is going on with dowsing?

• 2:49:09Speaker 03

  Honestly, I think it's, you remember when we used to have tube TVs everywhere and you'd walk down the street and you'd know your friend was watching TV? Cause you could feel the fucking hair on the back of your neck stand up or whatever?

• 2:49:19Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:49:20Speaker 03

  You don't remember, you never felt the electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV?

• 2:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I didn't walk by my friend's house and know he was watching TV, no.

• 2:49:28Speaker 03

  Did you ever, you ever able to walk into a room and know that that tube TV was on? You don't remember like the.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  God, I don't, I don't remember that.

• 2:49:35Speaker 03

  Well, I know that a lot of the viewers remember it, it's a thing, I'm sure if Jamie looks it up.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  You could feel the energy of the TV?

• 2:49:40Speaker 03

  You can feel that, the old tube TVs, you could feel them. And, um, they don't have an exact reason, but, you know, it's electromagnetics and you, maybe there's iron in your blood.

• 2:49:51Joe Rogan?

  And so this dowsing, it's like with rods, those, those, those twisty rods? And they move together when you're getting close to.

• 2:49:59Speaker 03

  Walking over a water source, yeah, they just do this.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  You think it really works?

• 2:50:02Speaker 03

  Uh, according to the guys that make money off of it, it does. And, and I wouldn't, I mean.

• 2:50:07Joe Rogan?

  Has anybody tried to do a study on why that would work?

• 2:50:09Speaker 03

  They, that, that's where, um, the only things I've seen were pretty skeptical and pretty kind of just like, it doesn't work. But, um, again, that's kind of where the rubber meets the road. It's like.

• 2:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Seems like that would be easy to prove.

• 2:50:22Speaker 03

  You'd think so.

• 2:50:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, you get a dowser.

• 2:50:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, and that, that's the thing is that they, science wants everybody to be able to do it. You know what I mean? They want to be able to, we're gonna get 50 people together and have them all go out in the field and douse.

• 2:50:35Joe Rogan?

  You would take a, someone who's good at it. So CRT sets used a high voltage flyback transformer and magnetic deflection system to sweep an electron beam across the screen. Those parts commonly vibrated around the horizontal scan frequency, roughly 15 to 16 kilohertz. In many TV standards, creating a very high thin tone. Children and young adults tend to hear high frequencies better, so they were especially likely to walk into a house or pass a closed door and immediate know the TV was running.

• 2:51:05Speaker 03

  Whoa. A static charge and believe that as well.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting that children and younger adults can pick it up, like, they also like see ghosts.

• 2:51:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. This might be what a difference, you're just a few years older than it means, so you might not remember it as well.

• 2:51:21Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, maybe people just get duller over time and they can't feel it anymore.

• 2:51:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, these, these don't use that, those transformers and all that.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, of course these don't.

• 2:51:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, these are, these are a joke by comparison, but my point is, is there's things like this that we, we can pick up on. There's things that we pick up on that we, that's, that we can be tested. And honestly, I love psychology, although I'll, psychology, just like archaeology, is not a science. I don't care when, anything that's self-reported is not a fucking science. You think Epstein told his shrink what he was up to? Fuck no. Okay, there you go. So, but psychology does have some scientific bits. And, uh, one of the things though is ultimately, it's the lens that all of it comes through. Everything that we do comes down through that psychological lens. Like me talking earlier about it taking a hundred years for them to reconcile gradualism and catastrophism. It's all through here.

• 2:52:12Speaker 03

  And it's all through the zeitgeist of the time, like right now racism's the big thing and all this social programs. So that becomes part of science for whatever fucking reason. We, I mean, I'll still never forget the time I saw the article about feminist math and I just wanted to fucking.

• 2:52:27Joe Rogan?

  What was it?

• 2:52:28Speaker 03

  Feminist math, you know, it's that it.

• 2:52:30Joe Rogan?

  With that.

• 2:52:31Speaker 03

  I don't know, maybe six oppresses seven, I don't fucking know. I don't really know. I guess seven's more pointy and six has the whole, so probably the other way, and at any rate. Uh, it's, I, I just laughed. It's, there's, we don't have room for that shit in science. The whole point of science, I say this a bunch, the whole point of science is to like, the whole point of the scientific method is to strip individual biases away. This is why replicability is so fucking important. Because if I do it and you do it and you don't get the same result as me, there's a problem.

• 2:53:03Joe Rogan?

  It's weird when it gets into racial differences and they just ignore it completely. And they, they, they call the data racist.

• 2:53:09Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, that's exactly what, that, and then, then the guys that are like openly racist, they love that data.

• 2:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, the weird thing about the data being racist is, uh, it's not white supremacists at all because Asians are doing way better.

• 2:53:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, but you don't want to talk about that.

• 2:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:24Speaker 03

  You're gonna, that's like.

• 2:53:26Joe Rogan?

  The problem is the people that aren't doing as well.

• 2:53:28Speaker 03

  The problem is, is that they're, in my opinion, is they're trying to take Marxism and turn it into a, anything besides a monetary bullshit idea. You try to do it while the social level, social Marxism, oh, come on, dude. This is how you get the oppression Olympics, you know, I've, I've got it worse than, you know how much money I had to spend to get custody of my kid? And I had no social programs for me, oh, whoa, was. And you go, and you go on to that shit forever. It's, it's so stupid. Uh, what am I, you know, 95% of the people that are shot in this country by the cops are men. Do we need a men's lives matter movement? Or is that a little fucked up? Okay, but that's, it's.

• 2:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also men are the ones who create most of the violence. They're the ones that need to get shot.

• 2:54:10Speaker 03

  Well, this, how about, how, this, my thinking is like this, when a, a cop shoots a person, he's, a shoots a guy, he feels more threatened than he does by a woman. And when he shoots a black guy, he feels more threatened than he does by a white guy. Now, whether that's racism or personal experience or town by town difference, whatever, at the end of the day, just saying this is pure racism is like, okay, well, then this is pure sexism, right? Oh, no, it's not pure sexism when they're shooting guys, but it's when they're black. I mean, in all honesty, Donald Trump has a higher chance of being shot by the cops wrongly than Kamala Harris. That's statistically, like, way more likely, like 20 times more likely.

• 2:54:48Joe Rogan?

  In terms of men getting shot more than women, period.

• 2:54:50Speaker 03

  White guys are 20 times more likely to get shot by the cops wrongly than a black woman.

• 2:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, and this is not, that's not denying racism or denying sexism. It's just, you're dealing with statistics.

• 2:55:00Speaker 03

  I'm, what I'm trying to do is take the, I, I only bring these up because so many people bring up these statistics to say, this is a problem and this is a problem and this is a problem. And that's why when you bring up this one, it's just overwhelmingly, it's like, all of a sudden, we look at things differently now.

• 2:55:13Joe Rogan?

  It's the social Marxism thing. It's like, and then it's, it's also, there's like a currency in being oppressed. There's a currency in recognizing oppression, there's a currency in signaling virtue that you recognize oppression, that other people don't, you know.

• 2:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Admitting your whatever, whatever biases.

• 2:55:32Speaker 03

  Drove on the floor.

• 2:55:34Joe Rogan?

  Whatever, you know.

• 2:55:36Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry, my great ancestor.

• 2:55:38Joe Rogan?

  Whatever privilege you may have, land acknowledgements, all that crazy stuff. It's like, you know, we're trying to be good people, but we're doing it in a way that points at everybody else like they're bad.

• 2:55:49Speaker 03

  That's exactly it.

• 2:55:50Joe Rogan?

  And that's where it gets real squirrely because people are using the premise of being a good person to be really shitty to people that don't deserve it.

• 2:55:58Speaker 03

  Well, I, yeah, I, you know, and they don't do anything on their own. Like, they're gonna tell me that I should be doing X, Y, or Z, but like Kansas University recently, like, put out this big thing about how they feel so bad for living on indigenous land and, you know.

• 2:56:14Joe Rogan?

  You gonna give it back?

• 2:56:15Speaker 03

  Thank you. Fuck, no, they ain't giving it back. You know what? They ain't even, they ain't even repatriated all the bones that they've got that they're supposed to repatriate it in 1990.

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  I've only been to one place where I saw an actual land disclosure, and it was at the South by Southwest premiere of The Age of Disclosure. And I thought this was so hilarious. There is a documentary about us being invaded by aliens, and before they play the documentary, they have to acknowledge that someone invaded this land and took it from the natives. And this is the ancestral tribal land of the, whatever tribes they said, we must acknowledge this first. Like, wouldn't you play the movie? Play, isn't it a history lesson? Isn't it a struggle session? Play the fucking movie. It's literally about us getting invaded by aliens.

• 2:57:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and this is supposed to make it like.

• 2:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Better?

• 2:57:06Speaker 03

  Better.

• 2:57:06Joe Rogan?

  You're a good person because you acknowledge this?

• 2:57:08Speaker 03

  Aww.

• 2:57:10Joe Rogan?

  All right, I gotta wrap this up. Um, your thing is give out the dates, tell everybody.

• 2:57:15Speaker 03

  It's October 16th through 18th, the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference at the ACL Live, it's right here in Austin.

• 2:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Should be a banger of a time.

• 2:57:24Speaker 03

  It's gonna be amazing.

• 2:57:25Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. All those people there, Randall Carlson.

• 2:57:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Billy Carson, who else?

• 2:57:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, whole bunch. Kurt Metzger.

• 2:57:32Joe Rogan?

  Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell together. That's Duncan Trussell on test and doing deadlifts for 10 years.

• 2:57:39Joe Rogan?

  Um, David Childress, great, great cast of people. Awesome times.

• 2:57:43Speaker 03

  David Childress is a really good dude, man.

• 2:57:44Joe Rogan?

  What did they do to you, man? They made you look great, too.

• 2:57:46Speaker 03

  Well, you know, it's, it's AI, it's.

• 2:57:48Joe Rogan?

  You look like Alan Watts.

• 2:57:50Speaker 03

  I, I look like somebody else entirely. I, I'm almost Amish.

• 2:57:53Joe Rogan?

  You look very odd. Either way.

• 2:57:55Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 2:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Looks like a good old time.

• 2:57:57Speaker 03

  You sound just like the chicks at the bar last night.

• 2:57:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a problem with the fucking AI. You don't have to do that, or do it, do it and do it.

• 2:58:02Speaker 03

  Right. I, I say it to everybody. I actually had a production team, or I wanted to like, get me to sign up to do, you know, for them to help produce for me and stuff. And when I told them that I was not gonna have any AI videos, no AI clipping, no AI thumbnails, and certainly no AI communicating with my followers, they're like, we'll have to get back to you on the price. I'm like, yeah, I just took your tool belt, didn't I?

• 2:58:24Joe Rogan?

  They wanted it to be easy.

• 2:58:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could buy an AI, too. Anyway, thank you, Joe.

• 2:58:28Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, Dan. Always good to see you, brother.

• 2:58:29Speaker 03

  You, too, man.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

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