#2542 - Steve Hilton

Steve Hilton is a businessman, political commentator, author, and Republican candidate for governor of California. www.youtube.com/@stevehiltonxwww.stevehiltonforgovernor.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Switch today at https://www. Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:13Speaker 00

  Come on, man, what's going on?

• 0:16Speaker 01

  For people who don't know, you and I have been friends for, God, more than 10 years.

• 0:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  How many years has it been?

• 0:23Speaker 00

  I think it's...

• 0:24Speaker 01

  14 years?

• 0:24Speaker 00

  I think it's the year we got here, which is 14, 2012.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:28Speaker 00

  When we moved from England.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  We met in Hawaii on the beach with our kids.

• 0:31Speaker 00

  Okay, so what's your memory? I was just thinking about that, because I have a very particular memory of that.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Uh, my memory was, uh, that my children and your children were playing on the beach.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  That's how we met.

• 0:42Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  It was just, they were, like, digging in sand. They were real little. They were the same age. And, uh, then we just said hi.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I remember, okay, I have a slightly different memory.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Okay, what's yours?

• 0:54Speaker 00

  Which is like, that's exactly right about the kids.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:57Speaker 00

  Two girls for you, two boys for me. And your wife was there first before...

• 1:03Speaker 01

  Yes, I think I was in the gym and then I came out of the gym.

• 1:06Speaker 00

  And I just remember, just like, remember, I've just moved from England. And it's a whole different world and a different culture. And I just remember you walking down the beach. And I remember, I'd never seen anyone like this before. Just like, it was just an amazing cultural moment. And then...

• 1:26Speaker 01

  You'd never seen anyone walk on the beach?

• 1:28Speaker 00

  No, just the way you were, you know, you're, you know, just the way, I just remember thinking, who's this guy? I remember, I'd never heard of you. And then I was explaining, um, to people I'd met, oh, Joe, it's Joe Rogan, you met Joe Rogan. It was just an amazing thing.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  And then, the other thing that makes me laugh doing this, is that we then did the podcast.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:53Speaker 00

  At some point around then.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  This is before you had any aspirations of running for governor or anything like that.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  It was a long time ago.

• 1:59Speaker 00

  I just moved, I was teaching at Stanford, just a very normal kind of low-key life. And I really remember doing the podcast, not knowing what a podcast was. I literally didn't know. So we came in, and I, again, my experience was I'd been in England, um, you know, I'd worked in business, run a restaurant or two, that kind of thing. But most recently, I'd been in politics and government. And so I'd in the media, I was aware of all of that. And so, you know, it wasn't like I was completely naive, but I didn't know what a podcast was. And I literally thought it was like a radio show or something. I remember coming in, this is back in LA, and we sat down, and we were chatting for

• 2:41Speaker 00

  a few minutes, and I literally was thinking, when's the next guest coming?

• 2:48Speaker 00

  This seems to be going on a really long time. And it's like 10 minutes and then 15, wow, this is a long time. Normally you get like 10, 15 minutes maximum.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:58Speaker 00

  Half an hour, what? An hour? That's three hours! I couldn't believe it.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Well, back then...

• 3:06Speaker 00

  I really didn't know.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  No one knew what a podcast was.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  So what year was it that Steve was on?

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Episode 509, 20, it was June, July 3rd of 2014.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  2014?

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 3:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  2014, episode what oh nine?

• 3:22Speaker 02

  509, so we're already...

• 3:23Speaker 01

  509?

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  509, so we've had 2,000 podcasts since then.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  Incredible.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  And, wow.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  The other thing...

• 3:34Speaker 01

  12 years, that's 12 years ago, that's crazy.

• 3:36Speaker 00

  It's crazy. The other thing, just remembering, you know, I'd never really done anything public. I was like a behind-the-scenes guy.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  In politics and government. And I'd just come out of that, and I was very kind of cautious about everything, and you were just talking like you do, which, again, I didn't really know.

• 3:56Speaker 00

  And you were, I remember thinking, God, this is like, we're talking about sex, and you were cursed, and like, wow, what is this? Like, this is so different to anything I've ever encountered before. But there we are.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, nobody was listening back then. It was nice.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  You could get away with so much more. You could just talk and not worry about it. And also, social media was not as big of a...

• 4:23Speaker 00

  I don't think much has changed. I don't think you worry about it when you're talking.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  No, well, I don't pay attention. That's the key. That's the key to my success.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  Right.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  It's like, don't listen to anybody, what anybody has to say about you. Just keep moving. Keep moving and don't pay attention.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  I think that's, obviously works.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's a lot of people out there that are crippled by other people's opinions. I think there's a genuine benefit to having a bunch of other people's opinions of you, and you get to see feedback, but there's just way too many bad faith actors on the internet. There's way too many people that have the least charitable takes on everybody, the worst, the worst, like, public narration, like, public narratives that they, they want to promote about anyone or anything, about any subject. There's far too many people like that. And it's a poisoned well.

• 5:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  It's like, if you went to a restaurant and you knew that 20% of their food would literally fucking kill you, would you ever eat there? No. Well, that's like Twitter.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  20% of the people there are fucking poisonous. They're like a chorus snake.

• 5:36Speaker 00

  It's so funny, because like, I've just, you know, been, so when we met, I was just, you know, like, kind of a regular citizen, teaching at Stanford, whatever. Then I started a business, then I got more public. I went to Fox, hosted a show there, now I'm a candidate. And as that's happened, you get more prominent, and so you look at these comments, and I'd never know whether to look, but the thing that I really just makes me laugh now, well, it's like, I'm always tempted to do it, and I never do it. Like, the really idiotic, just pure abuse. Like, I don't know, like, I do, I put something out there, and now there's a lot more of this. And my candidates, like, go back to England, you fucking cunt. Or you bald, whatever.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  And like, I always, I always want to write, good point.

• 6:26Speaker 00

  It's just so tempting, and I never have, maybe I should.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Well, there's a lot of sad...

• 6:31Speaker 00

  Because it just makes me laugh.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  There's a lot of sad, angry people out there that are just lashing out, and unfortunately, those are overly represented online, because those are the type of people that have the time to make comments. But then you also have to take into consideration, whenever you're involved in anything political, as you obviously are, because you're running for governor of California, there's a lot of the people that are engaging with your content that are not real people. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. We all have little things we do to save ourselves time, like shopping online, or paying kids from the neighborhood to rake up all those leaves sitting in the front yard. Or if you're hiring, you rely on ZipRecruiter. They match you with qualified candidates as soon as you post your job. Now that's how you save time.

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• 9:24Speaker 00

  You mean actual bots?

• 9:25Speaker 01

  100%.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  Okay, that part, I never have in my mind.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  You don't?

• 9:29Speaker 00

  No, I should, but I, it's a good point, keep going.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a tremendous amount. It's not a small amount.

• 9:37Speaker 00

  Right.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  It's a huge amount.

• 9:38Speaker 00

  Does Elon...

• 9:40Speaker 01

  There's nothing you can do about it. It was point of contention when he was buying Twitter. So when he was buying Twitter, Twitter was alleging that there was only 5%. 5% of Twitter was bots. But, see if you can find that article again. There's a former FBI, um, God, he worked, did something with digital intelligence, and he did a forensic analysis of Twitter, and he said it's probably 80%.

• 10:03Speaker 00

  80?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  80!

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Jeez.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  8-0. So it's a bunch of bots yelling at you, and by bots, okay, some of them, I think now, and this is at the time, so this is 2022, when did he buy Twitter? 2023, 2024? 2024?

• 10:21Speaker 00

  I think, I don't know.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Was it 24?

• 10:23Speaker 00

  I don't remember.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  I think it was like...

• 10:25Speaker 02

  Somewhere around 23, 24, yeah.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. So, back then, AI was not as much of an issue, right? Like, AIs, you could automate anything now. So the claim that eighty percent of Twitter originates from a twenty twenty two assessment by cybersecurity expert Dan Woods, while official company filings have historic, excuse me, historically claimed fake accounts represent under five percent, independent estimates and security specialists suggest real figures are higher. Those, an exact eighty percent total remains heavily debated. It's very debated, but if you read the article, he goes over, it's, uh, it's very meticulous, like the way he's describing. What, it's not like he's pulling it out of his ass. He's, he did it. So what they did, what Twitter did to come up with five percent

• 11:12Speaker 01

  was they just grabbed a random one hundred tweets. But also they're trying to sell it for fucking billions of dollars.

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  They want you to think it's all.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  What was it like forty billion?

• 11:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Something crazy, wasn't it?

• 11:25Speaker 00

  I don't remember the numbers.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Wasn't it forty billion dollars? Fucking insane amount of money for this, what is now just chaos, you know, it's funny. So there's that and so this guy's saying eighty percent. So again, this is a few years ago, so you're dealing with actual humans who are doing it. So you have these state sponsored groups that are, there's these bot farms. And what these bot farms are, you, I don't know if you've ever seen them, but people have like gone inside and filmed them, like whistleblowers. And what they literally have is like rows and rows of Android phones that are all connected to like keyboards. Yes, and they'll type one thing

• 12:12Speaker 01

  and that one thing gets tweeted by hundreds and hundreds of phones. And there's many of these places. And this was back before you could get AI to automate things for you. Now that you could do a thing where you can essentially start a campaign online, like say Steve Hilton's a cunt, pass it on. And literally they will, you could hire a company and this company has bots that will go out there and promote that Steve Hilton is a cunt. And they will put it everywhere. They'll, they'll hire people, they'll pay, this is another thing. There's a bunch of like really bad actors, really bad faith actors on Twitter that are paid to post things.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  And these people have been called out many times by other people that are independent journalists that say, isn't it crazy? That all these people use the same verbiage. Exactly, they're getting paid. They're getting paid quite a bit of money. Israel pays people, they've been pretty open about it, you know, and they were saying that we have to win the digital war against what they, what do they, they call it the woke Reich, which is hilarious.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  So there's that. So, so you, you have to like, when you're engaged, like I know real people on Twitter. I know real people that I, I read their posts and I know there's real independent journalists, but there's a tremendous amount of just utter horseshit.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  I don't have time. I have no time for that horseshit.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  I mean, I look at it, um, so, you know, you're running around, you're doing all these things for the campaign, whatever, so I don't have too much time. It's the one I look at, but there's all the other, you know, there's Instagram and all the rest and I don't even look at those. But on X, you know, for a few hours, you know, if you add it up, probably half an hour in the morning, maybe half an hour in the middle of the day, half an hour at the end of the day and you look at it then. And you just find out what's going. I think it's pretty good for news, like things that are happening.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  It's the best thing in the world for news.

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  So I, that's why I check in with it. You kind of see what's happening.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  I do that. I go to the front page, like what's going on, what are, what are the news stories? But as soon as it gets to people's opinions on something, they're blah, blah, blah, not listening.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  I just think it's fun. Honestly, the abuse stuff, it just makes me laugh. I think it's so kind of.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  That's good. Well, you've always been really good digitally. Like for people that don't know, like I said, Steve and I have known each other for a long time. Uh, I mean, we're, we're good friends. Like we've taken our families to Disneyland. Yeah, like we've slept over each other's homes. This is again, way before you were running for governor. We, I know you and you know me and you know my family, we know each other. And you've always had no phone. You were always impossible to reach. I used to have to get a hold of your wife to get a hold of you.

• 14:52Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  It was hilarious. For a while, I don't even know if you've had a fucking email for a while.

• 14:56Speaker 00

  I'd have email. I always had email.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, you, but you never had anything on you to check that email. So like.

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  Exactly. That's right.

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  One time in San Diego where you.

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  I always said, it's fine. Nothing ever goes wrong. Are you gonna now?

• 15:09Speaker 01

  One time it went wrong, your wife was so mad at you because she couldn't get a hold of you, you fucking vanished. But this was, the thing is like you were well aware that it is a toxic element in your life and it's distracting. It keeps you from being present. It keeps you from being in the moment. And it's very hard to have discipline and just put it down. And I'm really good at it, but then I'm not. And then some, some days I'm not. I just find myself on the toilet for twenty minutes watching murder videos.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Because my Instagram, it's actually really good right now.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  Well, actually, what, you mean like true crime stuff?

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Oh, horrible things. So one of my best friends, Tom Segura, he and I have had this tradition over the last few years of sending each other the worst fucking shit that we find online to each other, just to freak each other out first thing in the morning. Like first thing in the morning, I wake up and Tom sent me. Like the other day I sent him, these two guys were trying to rob an ATM machine. And, uh, the guy's pulling on it and they wrapped a chain around it and they had a car.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Sounds like a movie, like some ridiculous scene in a movie.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  So the, the, the car was pulling the, the ATM machine out and the guy got trapped under it and dragged with sparks and blood. I mean, it's fucking horrific. And I mean, I've seen so many people get executed, uh, hundreds. Instagram is terrible at removing that stuff. I don't know if, I spend far less time on X because X is so much opinions and so, and so much of it is just text. Instagram, for me, it's, a lot of it is very interesting. Like I find interesting historical facts, interesting scientific discoveries, cool stuff. There's a lot of.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  It seems to be just generally when I'm around, you know, I'm on planes a lot. And, and like all the time and you see people, so just, and just watching people, Instagram seems to be the thing. You know, I'm not watching what they're looking at. You can see the logo and you can see, that seems to be what people are most consuming.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

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  On the, Instagram.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  I think it's probably the biggest one. Maybe TikTok's probably the biggest.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, and TikTok.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  I don't know what's the biggest, but they're all, they're both pretty big and it's, it's just mindless.

• 17:21Speaker 00

  TikTok's probably younger.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, but there's a lot of older people on TikTok too now. It's just very addictive. TikTok, when you open it up, it immediately starts playing you something. That's different, you know, like Instagram, it opens the page and you go, so what's going on? And you, you have to like put in a little effort. TikTok's like, gotcha. Like immediately, as soon as you open up the app, it's like, gotcha, here's another one, here's another one, here's another one. Next thing you know, an hour's gone by and you've wasted it.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  I remember when I first read about it, like years ago, TikTok, I think maybe even wasn't called TikTok, because ByteDance were doing it and it was music video. It was something to do, and that's how it started.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  It started with, wasn't it?

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  You could make your own video to music or something to do with music was the focus.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Well, the original TikTok was a bunch of people dancing.

• 18:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's right. It was a to do, exactly.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were dancing and lip syncing.

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  And I remember reading and, and they were talking about how viral it's gotten and this thing is going to take over. So I was like, oh yeah, that can't be, that's not going to happen. And then now look where we are. Amazing.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Well, what's really interesting is China, where TikTok originated, they have a completely different TikTok.

• 18:31Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Their TikTok is curated to, um, like martial arts demonstrations, scientific discoveries, it's all athletic achievements, music, yeah. Exactly. It's all like enriching.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Shows you can do that.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and kids aren't even allowed on it after ten PM. So like you have to put in your age when you do it and at ten PM it bricks you. Go to work bitch, go to sleep, get up in the morning and now, now.

• 18:57Speaker 00

  TikTok does that or the, I can't remember, I've read that.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  The Chinese version of TikTok. So the Chinese version of TikTok.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  Makes them do that or they do.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're smart. Like it's not good to censor people, but if you want to have a society that's not captured by horseshit.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  That's the way to do it.

• 19:12Speaker 00

  So I remember back, so I'm Hungarian, my parents are Hungarian. I mean, I was a kid, we'd go, I was born in England, but we'd go back to Hungary. And this thing I always remember. Being really pissed off about when I was a kid. Um, not that the TV was before anything, it was just TV. So all you had was television. But on Mondays in Hungary, there was no television. Because they wanted people to do other stuff.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Just on Monday?

• 19:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was something, and maybe I'm getting this wrong, and it was like. Go out, talk to each other, do stuff, sports, whatever. It was just, and it's communist regime, so they can do whatever they want.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:49Speaker 00

  But you think, you know, they were thinking.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Look, I prefer freedom, but.

• 19:54Speaker 00

  Well, that's what I think all about all of this is so hard. Like even when you look at, like just today, there's the um, this massive trial, this meta trial.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  What's going on?

• 20:05Speaker 00

  Meta, it's a lawsuit, today's the first day of the trial.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  What is the trial about?

• 20:09Speaker 00

  They're suing Meta for one point four trillion dollars.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Trillion?

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Trillion, trillion with a T.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  I mean, they're not gonna get that, but that's the claim. It was just today.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Claims that addicted children to social media.

• 20:22Speaker 00

  And they're doing this through lawsuits. And the, and I'm just so torn over this, because I've got a very strong point of view about all of this and kids.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  But there's something about this that doesn't feel right. In terms of just going after these big platforms, because in the end, I think it's the phones, it's the. There'll be something else if it's not Meta, it'll be another thing.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:46Speaker 00

  I mean, I wrote about this year, like twenty fifteen. So soon after we did that show, I was probably working, and at the time I had a book called, I published a book called More Human. Designing a world where people come first, and the kind of main thing in the book was. Everything's too big and bureaucratic and centralized, and we've got to get back to the human scale, so it's mainly about. Other kinds of policy areas, but I did write about this thing in kids and tech, and I said at the time. We, you know, kids under sixteen, I said then, shouldn't have smartphones, you can give them other phones to stay in touch, but smartphones, bad idea. It's the screens. And so I see all this going on. And I think, yeah, have a go at Meta or whatever, WhatsApp or YouTube, I think they're coming for as well.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  They're coming for YouTube, that's interesting.

• 21:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, they are, there's already been a couple. And.

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• 22:45Speaker 00

  I know, it's weird.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  User-created television.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  I think it's the screens, though.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Right, but the screen's the problem, right? It's not the content creators.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  That's what I'm, that's what I'm.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  And then if they are coming after YouTube, then they're kind of coming after me. Right? Because like, I'm making people addicted to listening to people talk.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Exactly.

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• 23:47Speaker 01

  People love that.

• 23:48Speaker 00

  I know, so they're trying to really micromanage.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but disappearing content such as stories is kind of interesting sometimes. Like, my friend Adam Green Tree.

• 23:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  He's a bow hunter, and he goes uh, hunting, and he's, his Instagram stories. Like depict each day of these hunts, and it's really fascinating, because he takes these crazy adventures where he goes. Deep into the Colorado Rockies by himself for like twenty eight days, and he's like camping out in the snow, and it's, it's cool. It's cool to watch, so it's not all negative. So our AI sponsor, Perplexity, who is uh, we've pulled this information from. Is saying that a loss could mean not only a very large financial judgment, but also mandated product redesigns affecting how minors. And potentially all users experience Instagram and Facebook.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  The, see, the problem is, as soon as the government gets involved in mandating product redesigns.

• 24:44Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  We're fucked.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Because they're not going to make it good for us.

• 24:48Speaker 00

  Totally agree, that's what I'm saying.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  It's just.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Manipulating, it's, it's, they're getting involved, and they'll probably get them to give them some money.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  And then, and then when you start getting, and you could just imagine these bureaucrats sitting around. Micromanage, they've got too much of that already.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  One hundred percent, yeah, one of the things that we.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  So I get it's a problem, but this isn't the way to go.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  No, no, you know, there's a relaunch of MySpace that is.

• 25:15Speaker 00

  Really?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Yes, and so MySpace is apparently attempting to relaunch and be algorithm free. And this is their idea. They're, they're thinking, the algorithms are designed to keep you engaged and get you dependent and get you hooked. And they're doing it by making you outraged for the most part, right? And what they want to say is, look, why don't you just find what you want to find, and we'll have it on here.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Which is probably a lot better.

• 25:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Because, you know, my feed would be all things only that I'm interested in, not things that piss me off.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Well, that was the big change they made to the, the news feed versus what you were doing.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  And incredibly cough, um, incredibly like potent in its impact on children in particular, and me, I'm a child. I'm a little kid, I fucking, I get hooked, we all get hooked, you get hooked on nonsense and just paying attention to stupid things. And it just eats time, and that's what is, that's the commodity, the commodity is your attention.

• 26:12Speaker 00

  Exactly, but you've got with, with, I hear actually all the time. It's not discussed like a political issue, like we talk about, gas prices, whatever. But then I, I've done a lot of events last, whatever, year and a half, like really a lot. Thousands and thousands of people sometimes, big events, small, round tables, you hear a lot of people. And they. The first set of things they talk to you about, what you might, because they think you're a candidate, this is politics. Let's talk about taxes and gas prices and the kinds of things that you think. They, you know, are sort of assumed to be part of the political conversation. But then when you raise something like that, like the kids and the screens, that totally changes the conversation.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  And suddenly they're like intense and kind of really kind of angry in a totally different way.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  In what way?

• 27:04Speaker 00

  It's like, what are we supposed to do? It's, it's like, for parents, it's like with, with the. Screens and the social media, and then the video games, and now it's AI, and they're talking to AI, and then the AI is doing the homework. Like, what are we supposed to do?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Well, I'm glad you brought up video games, because video games are far more addictive than social media.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Video games are insanely addictive, and no one's trying to get rid of them.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  It's because these things can change the way people think. They can change public opinion, and they can move people in, in certain directions. I attribute it to the rise of, you know, the democratic socialists. I attribute it to the rise, I mean, it's a lot of this manipulation. These ideas like people are really getting, oh, maybe being socialist is cool. Like, this is all coming out of social media, one hundred percent. It's not natural that people are sitting around, you know, reading Marx and going, what a great idea. Like, let's implement this, they're not doing that. There are very few of these quote unquote Marxists that you find on social media are even aware of the consequences.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  The historical consequences of these, these strategies and what it ultimately leads to, which is like checkers, it's like real simple. Like, you're gonna have a military that controls everything you do. As soon as you give up everything to the state, well, the state has the guns and you have nothing, and then they tell you what to do.

• 28:27Speaker 00

  They tell you what to do.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  It sucks, it doesn't mean that that's the way to do it, because capitalism is brutal. Yeah, capitalism needs some fucking guardrails, that's what it is.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  Everything needs to be, but you've got like, no, I totally agree, like, I always joke about it, but it's kind of true. Is like Maldani with the state-run grocery stores, like, we had that when I was a kid, I literally went to them in Hungary, it was a communist state. There was only state-run grocery stores, I saw them, there's one like at the end of the block where my grandma lived. And I would go there in the morning to get the, whatever it was, and it's just terrible, like, it's really.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  I'm very torn on social safety nets. Um, I think we should have them, because I think. A person who's down on their luck, where things go wrong, like a woman who has children and her husband dies. And she doesn't have an income, and now, oh my god, I have to feed these children. Yeah, we should have social safety nets. I also think social safety nets encourage people to rely on them and have zero ambition. I think both those things are true.

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Well, that's why I'm so, um, I've always been against, I can see the argument for. But I've always been against this universal basic income type thing. There's an argument for it where it's like quite a low level. And there was, that's, the original guy that I think that used to argue for that was on the right, Milton Friedman.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:46Speaker 00

  And Charles Murray, I think, also argued for it, coming from the right, but their version of it was to replace everything else. So you wouldn't have any other benefits, you wouldn't have any other government services, basically.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Medicaid, no, nothing.

• 29:59Speaker 00

  Just an amount of money.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  Based from, it's very simple, less bureaucratic, and that's it. But this is not what's being argued now.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  I think that would actually probably be like financially more efficient, because you would radically reduce the amount of government.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  Exactly, and the bureaucracy.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Yes, radically reduce the amount of people that have control over other people.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  You would say, listen, we're gonna cut out the middleman and just give the money to people. That's not a bad idea.

• 30:25Speaker 00

  So I had a, I got, and it was very funny, in that like you say these things before you ever imagine being a candidate. And they come back and, and it gets sort of twisted.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Part of the problem with welfare is, and this is gonna sound completely like I'm contradicting myself, but it's not enough money. You barely live.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  Well, this is what I was, exactly what I was saying, so I. Was it in that book? I think in that book, the twenty fifteen, but more human. I had this idea based on what you're talking about, which is actually for a lot of people. Things like, like the minimum wage, for example, is just, you can't live on it, especially like in California now.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  But in a lot of places, it's so low, you, it costs are so high, can't live on it. And there's a lot of people working really hard, like not lazy on the couch playing video, seriously hardworking people, often two jobs. Who can't live on what they make. It's like really wrong, I think. If you work so hard, you should be able to live on it. So I had this idea, which was the business friendly living wage. And the idea was you increase the minimum wage to a living wage, which is calculated.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  What do you think that would be?

• 31:33Speaker 00

  Well, in, in, in Cali, it's by area. It's different everywhere. You know, in, in California, a lot of places would be incredibly high, you know, thirty, forty, you know, a lot of really high level.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Thirty or forty dollars an hour?

• 31:44Speaker 00

  Well, cause you've got now in certain counties in California, more than, I think it goes up the whole time. The official government level for low income is a hundred thousand dollars a year, low income.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Isn't that crazy?

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Crazy, cause costs.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  When I was a kid, if you made a hundred thousand bucks, you were killing it.

• 32:00Speaker 00

  I know.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Like my dad makes a hundred grand, like whoa.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Okay. So when I, in my, in my campaign, I had this, like, one of my first things was no state income tax under a hundred grand. I got the working class tax. A lot of people nationally said, that's so high. Why are you rewarding rich people? Actually, the feedback we got in the primary was that's too low. And there's a ton of people in California making, I don't know, a hundred and twenty, that sort of thing, who can barely live. Cause everything's so expensive. If you're in LA or somewhere expensive. So we've raised it to a hundred and fifty, tax free. But going back to the living wage thing, that's obviously really tough for a business to pay that, that kind of level. I used to run, I ran a restaurant, you know, you'd be killed by that kind of high thing.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  But at the same time, as you've got businesses paying people for full time work that they can't live on. The businesses are also paying taxes, payroll tax, all this stuff. They're paying to the government. And then the government is taking it and handing it back to the workers in benefits and welfare. So my thing was, why don't you just cut out the middleman and, and have the businesses pay the workers, not the government? And then the net effect for businesses is about the same. Well, that would be the goal. So they're paying their workers more, but they're not paying taxes.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Is it the same amount? Like, are they liter-, that doesn't make any sense. Cause like, what is minimum wage in California right now?

• 33:25Speaker 00

  Well, it's just, it's just gone up. It depends what, where you're looking. So, so.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Fifteen dollars?

• 33:30Speaker 00

  No, sixteen and a bit. And then for fast food, it's twenty. And they wanted it for.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  That was a recent thing though, right? And a lot of people pushed back against that and it wound up, they wound up cutting a lot of jobs.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, that went through. So it's twenty dollars for fast food workers.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  And then that immediately cut a bunch of jobs.

• 33:46Speaker 00

  Exactly. And put in automation and.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  I feel like there's gotta be some jobs that are entry level jobs for kids.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Yes. And that's really important. They used to be.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  You're not supposed to make a living off of that. You're supposed to be a kid that's learning how to work. You show up on time. You know, you get your paycheck. You realize the taxes get cut out of it. You're like, what?

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  You, all that stuff. Like, it's good for kids to have, but once you get past entry level jobs. Then, okay, like if someone's a landscaper or someone's like doing, this is a job. You work forty hours a week. Paying someone fifteen dollars an hour to work forty hours a week is kind of brutal.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  It's horrible.

• 34:26Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  You barely can get by.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  But the, but, but because we've built all of this bureaucracy, certainly in Cali, all I really know is California. And just the level of the government in all its forms is so big. You're paying all these taxes and the taxes are coming out in all these hidden ways. Gas taxes, housing taxes, that they don't call a housing tax, but it's the, everywhere you look, they've got these things that they're charging you.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:55Speaker 00

  But, which makes everything more expensive. And what, what do you get for it? This bloated bureaucratic government that's not actually helping it. It's actually making it harder to run a business, harder to build anything. And so I think that's.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  And this is the, I used to call it this doom loop, that the Democrats who are in charge, even they, they get it, right? They get the people are really struggling. People can't afford stuff. So what's their response? Oh, we gotta, you know, make, give them more welfare benefit. We gotta take, put taxes up. In order to get more money to redistribute. But that just makes everything more expensive. They never think about, well, why don't we just cut the costs? Why don't we just reduce the amount that we're taking so that people can have more?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then they would have to cut out their slush fund. Cause that's really what it is. It's a big ass, big ass slush fund. One of the things that we pointed out was that the number of people that are moving to California and even living in California. It shrank, but government doubled.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Yes. It's, there's so many insane facts like that.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Right. Well, they say, oh, we've created so many jobs. Like, really? Have you? Have you really created, created an actual job? Or have you figured out another way to increase the government and make more taxes work for whatever the fuck.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  NGO you have or nonprofit you have or like, someone pointed out that the, there's this guy, this guy, these really funny reels on Instagram. And how much things cost versus like what you could get for. And, you know, he was talking about like some new thing they're doing for the convention center. It's like a five billion dollar renovation. And he was like listing all the different things. And one of them that you could give like. Every single person on, on Skid Row, some fucking preposterous amount of money. And it's, you just realize like, oh, they don't wanna fix any of this. Like the people that are working for the homeless, he was talking about, the average salary was like eight hundred thousand dollars.

• 36:59Speaker 00

  There was just one last week, uh, this woman runs a homeless nonprofit, one point six million dollar a year salary. Homeless nonprofit.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  Nonprofit.

• 37:08Speaker 00

  Exactly. That's.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  And she's killing it.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Exactly. There's another one.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  She's a millionaire.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  There's another one yesterday. He's like, I don't know, some business like, but it's again, it's a nonprofit, two point six million a year, you know, it's just.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  And here's the most important thing. The homelessness only got worse. Like in the private sector. Imagine if you were a CEO of a company that was just losing insane amounts of money and never completing its tasks. Never doing the thing that it set out to do.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  This is the main thing. I think it's like, the more I look at it, the more insane it is. And everyone just looks at it and. I don't, no one's ever pointed this stuff out. Like they all just, the government just makes everything so expensive in California. Everyone says, oh, it's so expensive. What are we gonna do? We'd better give them more welfare benefits. Cause we've made.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Well, we better have a billionaire wealth tax.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  Billionaire wealth tax.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  They steal money from the most, the richest people without addressing fraud and waste at all.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  But by the way, the richest people already pay about half the income tax, the top one percent.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Yes. There's a small number of people in California alone that are responsible for an extraordinary amount of the tax base.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  Just a very small number of people and you're scaring them away. And if you.

• 38:22Speaker 00

  But they just, they, they don't have that mentality of cutting costs, like every normal business.

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  Visit betterhelp.com to explore your payment options. That's better, H E L P dot com. During COVID, I said, I think the mayor should get paid dependent upon the GDP of the city.

• 40:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  So like, if the city, like, if you lose seventy percent of the restaurants, which like Los Angeles did during.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Garcetti should have lost seventy percent of his paycheck. You should have, if you lose like seventy percent of businesses, you should lose seventy percent of your income. And I guarantee you, they would be more friendly to business if that happened.

• 40:31Speaker 00

  But this, but exactly. And they don't care. And this is what happens. I think when you've got this one party rule thing that's been going over, so it's sixteen years now, they've run everything. They don't care because they think they'll be empowered ever and it just doesn't matter.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  And it seems like they will. Like, look what they did to Spencer Pratt.

• 40:51Speaker 00

  I know. It's crazy.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  And what they did to Spencer Pratt was so transparent that even Democrats admit there's something weird about the fact that Nithya Raman. All of a sudden got way more votes than Karen Bass, way more in the, in the mail-ins. And people voted for an increase in taxes.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  I know. It's just.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  That doesn't make any sense. Nobody votes for an increase in taxes.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  In, in recent years in California, anything like that has been voted down.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:20Speaker 00

  And just in the last few years.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  And it was only the mail-in ballots that turned it.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Well, they, this is the same.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  They're fucking dirty.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  People, well, people bring it up the whole time. And I say, yeah, whatever, this is the, it's, they've made it legal, right? This is not illegal. And, and the scam is so bad, we've looked into a few of these. Uh, we, we were just, you know, through the year, we've been looking, we're following some of this money. Um, it's just everywhere you look. So cannabis, right, they legalized cannabis, Prop sixty four in California. And there's a tax. And the tax is, part of selling it to the public was, we're gonna have the tax and it's gonna pay for substance, substance abuse prevention. Isn't that nice?

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  So then they, so we looked into it, three hundred and fifty million dollars of that goes to this nonprofit, which with some nice sounding name about health. And then you actually track the money. They give out these little grants, million each, million here, seven hundred fifty thousand there, to five hundred or so other nonprofits. And then you look at what they do? Voter registration, ballot harvesting, all of this shit. I mean, this is what they do.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Stealing money.

• 42:32Speaker 00

  And it's, and we're paying for it. And there's so many examples, we've just found a few of them. I mean, remember, they've doubled the budget of California, more than doubled in the last ten years. These are the numbers. This year, the budget is just over three hundred and fifty billion, the total budget. Ten years ago, it was a hundred and seventy. And everything's worse.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  It's so bad. There's my other favorite example is that, and there's so many, I just, every day you learn about these crazy things. Prisons, right, they've been shutting the prisons, which I totally disagree with. Cause whatever, that's a different story. But in the time they, they basically cut the prison population, it's not quite half, but nearly. The budget has doubled.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it's so transparent. Like, look what they did in Los Angeles with the fire relief money.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah, fire aid, that was disgusting, so disgusting. You had people, good hearted people, wanting to help, their own money, that's supposed to be charity.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  And it's going into this political slosh fund.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  It went all of it into nonprofits.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  And not just one nonprofit, like two hundred different nonprofits.

• 43:45Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Spencer Pratt laid it all out, like how they do and what they do. And no money went to anybody who lost their home.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  None, and, and.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Which is, should be illegal.

• 43:55Speaker 00

  They legalized all of this, that's the point. And so I always say, yeah, we've got this system. But there's only one answer in advance of being able to get in power and do something about it is, we just gotta get every vote. We've gotta get every vote. And I know, I, people look at this race and say, well, you're never gonna win, it's hopeless. I don't think that's true. I think that actually people are really pissed off. If you give them a sense that we can really, this is not a hopeless cause, and I think we're showing that. We've just got to, I mean, he's, I've got this guy running against me who's just a complete joke. I mean, he's.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Who is it?

• 44:30Speaker 00

  He's called Javier Becerra. He was Biden's Health Secretary. He was, I mean, I, I wanna say one thing before I say the most important thing about him. But since we've been, just been having a go at him, telling the truth about what he did as Biden's Health Secretary, his score's been coming down with not that much effort from us. And we don't have money, we're a scrappy startup, right? They've got this big machine, the government unions, they just, you know, roll on. He's, he's like, the first poll that came out in the, in the race was just after the primary. It looks, it's over. What's the point? You know, sixty one, thirty six. He had sixty one, I had thirty six.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  The next one is like fifty five, this is just the other week, fifty five, I think I had thirty seven. There's one we just heard about where the gap's under ten percent. So no one wants this to go on in California. There's a majority who want to get rid of this. But it's just been this sense that it's impossible and we just have to put up with it or leave. And I think we gotta, if we change that attitude, I think people are gonna vote this, this, this regime out. It's so bad. Anyway, the thing.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Well, we've seen the, the map, the electoral map that they put out from twenty twenty versus twenty twenty four. And the difference being, you look at all the counties that went red.

• 45:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  That used to be blue, where people are freaked out. The problem is these high population urban areas where people live in these liberal bubbles. Which is, Los Angeles is the craziest version of that.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  And Los Angeles County is twenty three percent of the vote in all of California.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Let's put this into perplexity. Ask perplexity, how many people in Los Angeles are on SSRIs?

• 46:22Speaker 00

  Okay, I didn't think, that's where you were going.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  I would like to know.

• 46:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  I, well, I think there's a lot of people that are, they're medicated. And it's, it's part of what helps them agree to this nonsense, is that they're in this zombie catatonic state from antidepressants and antipsychotics and anti this and anti that and anxiety medication. And they're fucking cloudy.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  They don't see things. And they're surrounded by this echo chamber of people that only agree with them. No reliable public count of current SSRI users specifically in Los Angeles. But a reasonable, rough estimate for Los Angeles County is on the order of five hundred thousand to seven hundred thousand adults. Not a precise head, precise head count. Now, how many people are in Los Angeles?

• 47:09Speaker 00

  There's ten million in the county.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Okay, I think that's way low. I think that's way low. I bet it's ten times that.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  I bet it's everyone. I think, no, no, all bullshit aside, I, I bet there's a few million. Los Angeles County has roughly seven point eight to eight million adults. If about eleven to seventeen percent take antidepressants, roughly sixty to seventy percent of antidepressant users take, take an SSRI. The implied range is five hundred and thirty to nine hundred and fifty, so maybe a million. I think it's probably a few million. I know a lot of people that are on them, man. A lot, I think it's like more represented in Los Angeles. There's also this idea that you need a medication because you have an imbalance. You need medication.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  This over medic, that's really bad.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Well, also, the imbalance thing has been disproven.

• 47:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  It's not real. It's not what it is. And then there's also, there's a reality of your physical being, okay? If you live a sedentary lifestyle, you eat terrible food, your physical body is going to feel like shit. And you're not gonna be happy. That's just how it works as a human being.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  Totally right.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  It's like, if you're feeling down or pissed off, like, literally, do some exercise.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  My friend Hassan Ahmad, who's a, you'll see him tonight at the mothership, hilarious comedian. He has a great bit about like the people that are in these commercials that are playing basketball. They take the medication, now they're playing basketball and drinking water and having fun. He goes, yeah, that's the actual solution to depression.

• 48:37Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  It's not take the antidepressant. It's fucking do something athletic.

• 48:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Get active, drink water, have a community that you enjoy hanging out with. Like, that's what keeps people from being depressed. And they've been sold this bill of goods that you have a chemical imbalance in your brain. Well, that, that narrative was never supported by science and has now been completely dismissed.

• 48:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  That's not true.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  But we're just doing it still, I mean, funnily enough, that was what I, I, I, one of the chapters in that book, twenty fifteen, but more human, was about health. And it was all that. That's what I wrote about, which is, this is crazy. We've got, and in fact, when I was in ten Downing Street, you, you know, you, I was, that senior advisor to the Prime Minister, and you're getting, mainly I focused on domestic policy. That's what I focused on. And you're there, you're at, you know, in ten Downing Street, you get meeting, you can have meetings with, kind of everyone will come in and have a meeting. And I was really focused, you've got the National Health Service, which is what the left want here, the Medicare, the, single payer healthcare, whatever. That's what there is in the UK. And it's funded by the government, by taxpayers, one hundred percent.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  And so it's part of the budget, which is one of the problems. It's always competing for money against everything else. And so there's a real reason to try and get the cost down. Because you're funding it out of the budget for everything else. And so health promotion is, or should be a really big part of it. And I wanted to really do much more on that, that you should actually use the National Health Service to try and make people healthy, instead of all this sickness stuff. So I had all these meetings, um, trying to understand, you know, the Royal College of this, the Royal College of that, all the cancer people. Oh, they all came in. It was so hilarious. After kind of months of these meetings of like, what do we need to do to make people healthy?

• 50:28Speaker 00

  It's the simple, basic things in the end, what you just said. It's like diet, nutrition, exactly. Eat healthy, take exercise, sleep enough.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Drink a lot of water.

• 50:40Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 00

  All of those things, like all these geniuses of science and whatever. And I said, honestly, it's so basic. Um, but then, and I was just seeing today, there's this awful story about the mother who killed the children.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  Awful story, the mother, and, and she had really bad depression, after, postpartum depression. And was asking for help and all this. And they just kept giving her this medication. And she was saying, I think there are texts to her mother saying, this new medication they've got me on is really making me feel even more anxiety and I don't know what's going on, help, help, help. And they, and they, they showed all the medication she was on in the run up to this. It's shocking, like so shocking, just the amount of stuff they're loading her up with that must have sent her over the edge.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. When you look at the commercials for these things, and then you see the possible side effects. Like, who in their right mind would take something for depression which has side effects, which causes suicidal ideation?

• 51:53Speaker 00

  What?

• 51:54Speaker 01

  I thought you were curing depression. Your side effect is I might wanna kill myself? Like, it's like, this is a cure for depression too. Blow your brains out, no more depression.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Like.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  It's a cartel. It's a cartel in the United States. I mean, it is a sanctioned tax. It's publicly traded. It's a fucking cartel. And they buy off politicians and they pass through regulations.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  This is the thing I see, not just on this, but on everything. Again, it's just an eye opener. I kind of suspected it. But when you see just how cynical it is, this kind of corrupt. I don't know what you want to call it, you know, machine, machine, politics, this, I don't know. In Sacramento, where they literally buy what they want. They buy the legislators that pass the bills that help their interest, whatever it is. And that's why nothing really changes and no one knows what's going on. No one follows it. There's all these laws they pass that end up with things happening in the real world that normal person would say, how the fuck did that happen?

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  Well, that's, you know, three years ago, someone put in a bill that was probably written by the lobbyist for whoever it was. That even the legislator who put their name on it probably never read it. And then suddenly it's the law and all these bad things happen. And that's what's going on.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Now, what could you do differently if you get in office? Like, how much of this crazy and tangled machine can you unwind?

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Not all of it. Yeah, yeah, not all of it. No, I've thought about it.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  People wake up, they go, Steve Hilton's making a lot of sense. Let's vote him in. And then even the liberals like secretly run out and vote you in. It's gotta be too big to rig, because that's the thing.

• 53:46Speaker 00

  Yes, exactly.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Because the mail-in ballots.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  By the way, can you, can you believe, and I will get into it, but did you see Kamala Harris the other day?

• 53:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 53:55Speaker 00

  She was at some conference or whatever, doing her sort of, maybe I'll run for president again.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, good luck.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  I know.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  The last one was pretty successful for only spending 1.4 billion dollars.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  She's very, um.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  She lost every single swing state.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  She's, my, it's very funny. There's, I sort of talk about it a lot because my guy, Becerra, he was asked the same question that she was asked. Do you remember when she went on The View?

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 54:23Speaker 00

  And it was like, what would you do differently? She says, oh, nothing comes to mind.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Really? You haven't thought, so he was asked, Becerra, my opponent. And the guy, he was on CNN, the guy says, look, it's obvious things aren't going well. To be fair, the city and the interviewer said, look, we got the highest, I can't, he listed a few of the things. Highest unemployment rate in America, which by the way, no one can believe, but we have the highest unemployment rate of all 50 states. Highest poverty rate, cost of living is a nightmare. You know, what would you have done differently?

• 54:58Speaker 00

  He says, well, it can't be that bad because people are still coming to Disneyland and the beaches. That's what he said. And then, he says, well, so no policy changes? No. Anyway, Kamala was at this thing the other day and she starts talking about the election and how, and I don't know if she wasn't aware that Trump and MAGA had this slogan that was a massive part of their thing, too big to rig. So she starts saying it as if it was a completely new thing. She said it the other day. You know, the thing that we have to do is make sure we get a really, you know, we've got to get everybody, you know. To coin a phrase, we have to make it too big to rig. Like, she said it.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  No way.

• 55:42Speaker 00

  She said it.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  No way.

• 55:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  So she's alleging that it was rigged the last time?

• 55:47Speaker 00

  I have no idea what she's talking about.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know what amount of election fraud there is, but it's not zero.

• 55:55Speaker 00

  It's not zero.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  It's never been zero. And the real weird one for me was how many more votes Biden got in 2020 than any other president ever. We have a lot of work to do because, you know, these folks are cheating. They're trying to rig the system. They're trying to draw maps, all of it. What, you mean stuff that the Democrats have already done?

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Exactly. It's so hilarious.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  This is crazy. We have to make it too big to rig. We have to turn out in big numbers, jump all over these obstacles they're trying to throw our way. We have to make it too big to rig. What are you saying? Like, how are they cheating? Like, how, how is she alleging they're cheating?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  The idea that that's the best they can do is so insane. It's so wild. It's so wild. And it's because if you want to run for politician, they will, if you don't follow their narrative and their, their plan to a fucking T, they're going to come for you and they're going to destroy you. And it's usually some creepy sexual thing. They're going to find someone who says that you did something to them in college or high school or whatever it is. They, and they'll come up with as many things and throw them your ways, as many things as they can find and they get rid of you. And they get rid of all of them.

• 57:13Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, lucky they don't think I've got any chance of winning. I think that's why they haven't done that. But just, just on that though, it's, it's interesting. It makes me think, this, this whole system, this corrupt thing that I've encountered, and I don't want to lose your question about what I would do, because I've thought about that a lot. But it just, it's, it's sort of amazing, but not amazing. I knew it was like this, but to see it is something else.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  The scale of it.

• 57:42Speaker 00

  Yes. So even things you might not imagine, like, okay, a couple of, so there's the Chamber of Commerce, right? It's called Cal Chamber in California and it's all the big businesses. And like, it's a, running a business in California is an absolute nightmare. That's why they're all leaving. That's why Elon left. That's why so many companies leave.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Fuck, they lost In-N-Out.

• 58:06Speaker 00

  And every day, there's a new one that's announced. And then every day I meet business owners, big, small, medium, all who say, we're just hanging on to see if you can make it. And if you don't, we're out. Right? Every day.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  Chief Executive Magazine has an annual survey of business conditions, like, I think it was out in April. California, 50th out of 50 states. Okay? And I think it's been like that for 12, 13 years. So it's like a disaster that what's going on. Becerra, who's running against them.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  50th out of 50 states for business climate. So Alaska's better.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  Every state in America is better.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  North Dakota, South Dakota, Florida, Tennessee.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  All right. So, so you would think, you would think that when you've got a choice between two people, right? One of whom explicitly says, I'm not going to change anything. That's Becerra. And me, who's someone with business, most of my career has been in business. When you do the ballot, you're allowed three words to describe yourself. I actually wanted to do it fairly because I've done a bunch of different things. And so I went through every year since I left Oxford, 1990s, 36 years. And the majority of my career's been in business and most of those years, running my own businesses. So I, I put small business owner. That's the three words, small business owner.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  And like, in a choice between that, you would think the California Chamber of Commerce, which represents business, would obviously want the guy who's pro-business instead of the guy who's going to keep up this.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  Anyway, we have this.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  The money's still there for now and they're getting that money.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  Well, there is, is the lobbyists, it's this kind of, it's all of that crowd, right? And we have these endorsement meetings and then they pick him, they endorse the other guy. And then they say, we think that statement was so full of shit. It was like, oh, we, it's time for unifying, blah, blah, some completely bullshit political thing. Now, of course, because I went in there and I said, we've got to change direction. The policies are hurting business, whatever. I just said what I think. And they went for him because they, all they actually care about is the power. And they think he's going to win and so they want to be in with him.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  And then the other one that was like that, that was in a way even more shocking was the police. So the police, whatever it's called, POLAC, the Police Officers Association, something, their union. That same kind of thing, they, you go to them and you, you know, try and get their endorsement. I, by the way, I said at the beginning of this whole process, it's a waste of time. Because they, they, they will only care about their thing, that they want to get more money for whatever it is. And so I don't want to give them that because that's wrong. And so they weren't endorsing. I'm just telling you. Sure enough, we have this meeting and I'm completely on the side of the law and order thing.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  It's gone crazy, the defund the police, the insanity of how they deal with crime. We've got to reverse all that, prison closures, all these things.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  And he's not said anything about that. He's just more of the same insanity. They endorse him. And then they told us why. Because he promised to deliver on the one thing they really cared about, which is some bill that would increase their pensions.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Why don't you agree to that bill?

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  Because we, the pension, one of the reasons that the taxes are so high and the, and, and the everything is, like, for example, you look at schools.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  Everywhere I go, parents are saying, what's going on? We pay the highest taxes anywhere, like state income tax, property tax, all these taxes. And then we have to pay, the schools are asking us to pay for like basic supplies, like paper, books, like cleaning materials. And the lottery money is supposed to go to schools as well. And they're saying, what is going on? Parents are really furious about it. One of the reasons is because of the way they've done the pensions for the teachers. You know, you want people to have good retirement, that's true, but like a fifth, I think it's about a fifth of the money before it's even spent in the schools goes to the pensions. It's a really, really bad situation.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  I'm torn because I think they deserve pensions, particularly the police. And I think, I'd like to know what percentage of the budget. I mean, think about, listen, let's talk about money that's gone to places where it vanished. Like the homeless, twenty-four billion dollars.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, at least.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  At least. And even though they've tried to get an audit of it, Newsom vetoed that, stopped them from getting a.

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  He vetoed it, exactly.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Twice, right?

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  And in LA, there was a parallel in LA. There was a lawsuit that ended up with the judge demanding a similar audit. And the estimate was just for LA, it was two billion. And Karen Bass vetoed the audit in LA.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  Let's imagine that two billion instead went to fund the police.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Better training, you know, better conditions, better morale, better pensions, higher quality of people that you're hiring.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Totally agree with that. We need to massively increase the numbers of police.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Right. Now imagine what an impact that would have on the encampments, on enforcing these laws. Like, you already have laws, they're just not enforcing.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  You're not supposed to camp on the street.

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  The homeless encampments are illegal.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  They're illegal.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  That's always saying, my first point on my plan is enforce the law, they're illegal.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Well, imagine what it's done to real estate in downtown, you know.

• 1:04:01Speaker 00

  It was a downtown real estate group, business group that filed that lawsuit that I was talking about for LA.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Los Angeles is the only place in the country that has a useless downtown. It's one of the biggest cities in the, and I forgive, I mean, forgive me if you have a great business in downtown and you love the funky aspect of being, there's wonderful restaurants in downtown. I've traveled to them, but it's fucking sketchy. It's, I took my kids once to get donuts in downtown and we were walking on the street and like every step of the way, you're like, uh, is this guy gonna attack us? Is that guy crazy?

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  I literally had it the other night, we got in from somewhere. Down, we're staying downtown, right by City Hall. And got in quite late, I wanted something to eat, the hotel didn't have any, whatever. And so I just walk around, trying to find, it's a Saturday night, but it's not super late, it's like eight, nine PM. It's just unbelievable.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Zombies.

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  Zombies, the stink of like shit and piss. I mean, it's disgusting.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Shit and piss everywhere and it's a public health problem.

• 1:05:07Speaker 00

  And you walk around and you think, how is this possible? It's the second city of America with the richest country in the world. This is, and we're the richest state. I mean, you're being ripped off like that and this is what we end up with.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Let's talk about just Skid Row.

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  But I agree with you on the police. The, I mean, LAPD is saying that by the time the Olympics is two years away, they will have half the number of officers that they should have, half. And yet our taxes are the highest in the country. They've just, they've just increased the taxes in LA, local sale, uh, sales tax gone up.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  What I was getting to was imagine Skid Row. So Skid Row is roughly fifty-something blocks, right? So fifty blocks where no one wants to buy a building, fifty blocks where no one wants to put up a business. No one wants to lease a building for ten years if it's, you've got encampments right in front of it. Like what, you can't even clean them up, you can't tell them to move, you can't ask them to not shit on your porch.

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  It's just unbelievable.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  There's nothing you could do. So just think about all the tax revenue that's being lost, all the business being lost in all of those areas in downtown that is completely unsafe and contaminated.

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  It's, it's just unbelievable. The last time I went, I've been a few times, we went with this, I don't, they've destroyed the word nonprofit now. I don't even wanna say that, like an actual charity, like a really nice.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  A real one.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  A real one, who've done beautiful work. It started off, they were trying to save the dogs. And what they're doing with the dogs is just unbelievable, using the dogs to test their drugs.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  They use the dogs to make sure the drugs don't offend them.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  Just disgusting. Anyway, so they started off with that. It was just a woman who's driving by and saw a dog in distress. This is a few years ago, and around that has built this beautiful charity, is going there. We were there on a Sunday, they're giving out clothes and stuff trying to help people and she knows all the people. But this time, for some reason, I was even more infuriated than before. Because it's like, if you're the mayor of LA or the governor of California and this is going on, what are you doing? How can you do anything else?

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:07Speaker 00

  Before cleaning this up? It's so disgraceful.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  What was there when they got there and it's sort of accepted that Skid Row in particular is always gonna be there.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  It's so bad.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  It's been bad for a long time. You know, I did Fear Factor in downtown LA. We filmed a lot of our episodes in downtown LA because there was a lot of abandoned buildings. Because of Skid Row, that's a big part of it. But also, Los Angeles lost a lot of its manufacturing, just kinda like evaporated for whatever reasons. So one time I was driving home and I took the wrong turn and I was like, what the fuck is this? And it was just an entire street filled with people in cardboard boxes and tents and garbage everywhere, just piles everywhere. I was like, this is great. And this was like two thousand four.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  Two thousand five, maybe?

• 1:07:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  It was bad back then. It's just tucked away into this old place. And we looked at it, there's a documentary about the Cecil Hotel. Because there was a woman who drowned in one of the tanks. And apparently they thought that she was murdered. But then when they got the surveillance footage, it seemed like she had a schizophrenic episode. She stopped taking her medication and she jumped into the tank and drowned in there. So it was this whole thing of what the Cecil Hotel used to be like. And that these people that come from other countries, they go, oh, we're gonna rent this hotel in downtown LA. Must be nice. It's a historic hotel, it's been around since, say, eighteen thirty-five or whatever the fuck it is. Like, oh, this should be great.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  And then you get there, you're like, holy fuck, you're in the middle of Skid Row. And it was part of the documentary was explaining how bad this area got.

• 1:08:49Speaker 00

  It's so bad. And it's, also there's something about the, just the squalor, the filth, the, the just, the total disrespect.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  They have medieval diseases that are emerging. That we haven't seen in like a hundred years.

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  It's unbelievable. And I just think that it's amazing to me, it's truly amazing that, that this just rolls on and like nothing happens.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Right, it's not a state and national emergency.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  Scandal of the highest, you know.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  But no one goes there, that's the thing. As long as it stays contained, is this, this was what this documentary was alleging, is that the practice of moving people to Skid Row started a long time ago. And what it was is to clean up Los Angeles and Beverly Hills, they'd find vagrants, they'd grab them, bring them to downtown, drop them up there.

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  No, that's how it got started.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  And then they kept them there, they literally contained them there.

• 1:09:45Speaker 00

  Yep, not anymore. I mean, you see it everywhere.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Well, they don't have to, because now they know this is the place where you can go and you can get drugs and you can get food.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  And you get drugs from the government. I mean, that's the point.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  The government gives them drugs?

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  Yes, they do, from the, what's called, you know, it's harm reduction, they call it.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  What do they give them, what drugs?

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  They give, they're opioids, they give them opioids as a substitute for fentanyl, less dangerous.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  What kind of opioids? Are they giving them like methadone or, which is not really technically an opiate?

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  I can't remember, we went there, they wouldn't let us in actually, we tried to film inside. There's a guy just did get inside, Christopher Ruffo from Manhattan Institute. And he got in, he made a film about the crack pipes they're giving out or whatever.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  They give out crack pipes?

• 1:10:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, he did a little, I mean, I don't know if that was a, he made of, I don't know, I didn't see it myself.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Caring for those people.

• 1:10:33Speaker 00

  But it's just ridiculous, you've got, but it's everywhere, it's not just Skid. That's the thing that's so, like, this, I mean, I'm on the road the whole time. I see the whole state, like probably not many people do. And just there's something about the degradation, the squalor in so many, not everywhere, of course, it's beautiful. I love California, it's amazing.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Beverly Hills is gorgeous still, there's still a lot of places. But there's a whole lot more breaking and entering.

• 1:11:00Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  A whole lot more home invasions, a whole lot more crime.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  A huge thing. I mean, that's why we, one of the things, again, we're just trying to make a difference here. You know, you've got one particular thing with these home invasions, they're all wearing masks now. It's like a really big part, which didn't used to be the case. And so we've been working on a plan that if you get enhancements for your sentencing, just for covering yourself up. Because we've gotta try and, there's just like, there's no, there's no interest in trying to stop this stuff.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  There seems to be an interest in letting people out of jail who've committed violent crimes, which I would only do if I wanted to destroy a city.

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  If you wanted to destroy a city, you would do it exactly the way they're doing it. You would hire the most progressive DAs who are willing to let people out no matter what. And then you use a bunch of words like racism, systemic racism, whatever, discrimination. This is the reason why, this is the reason why Mike has robbed ninety-nine people over the last twelve years.

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  And, and, well, the one thing that's good news though is the new DA is pretty good, Nathan Hockman. He's good, he's good, I supported him, I saw him the other night. So he's really doing a good job, shows that you can make a change, actually.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  I mean, look, he's up against a whole system and the political system, which is still captured by that kind of insane ideology. And so much of what you see going wrong in California is exactly that, is ideology over anything that's practical.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, and it's also, you have to adhere to the narrative.

• 1:12:37Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  Or you will be punished. And so everyone's scared, so they say a bunch of things that they, you know, they, they think make sense.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  There was a really like unbelievable example of it. There was a Democrat state legislator, I think somewhere like Santa Cruz, somewhere like that, this is a couple of years ago, who voted the wrong way on a bill that one of the government unions was pushing, I can't remember the details, but it was, that it like offended the, maybe it was the university teacher, something like that. A Democrat. And then they then.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  Funded the campaign of the Republican. Just to teach them not to step out of line. It's amazing, just the.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Well, there's a bunch of Republicans that, you know, they like to call rhinos, you know, that, you know, Republican in name only. There's a lot of those folks that it's they're basically Trojan horses. You know, like I, I think we have a real problem in this country where there's only two parties. You know, I, I just, I, I think it's crazy. There's so many people like me, for instance, that agree with a lot of the things that the left pushes. And agree with many of the things that the right pushes, but things that some of the things the right pushes are fucking ridiculous. And some of the things the left pushes are fucking ridiculous, but you have two choices.

• 1:13:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  And you're defined by the worst members of each party. You're defined by the dumbest MAGA people versus the fucking, you know, the Portland people. It's like, these are, these are your options. You have to completely ridiculous people who believe in non-binary folk. And then you've people that are, you know, would think this is a Christian nation and we should kick out all the Muslims like.

• 1:14:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. So we, it's, it's interesting because I'm, I thought about this when. Not, not that, I didn't think about it that much, but there are a few peoples, because I think for what I'm about to say, it doesn't work. But a few people say, oh, you should run as an independent. You shouldn't run as a Republican. Yeah. And, and you know, I am independent minded and I've, I've never run for office. I'm not part of this machine. I don't, I'll just say what I think, especially because no one thinks I'm going to win. I might as well just go for it and say what I think. But, um, I, you're exactly right. You won't win.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  You won't win. There's just no way.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  Like when Bobby Kennedy was telling me that he was going to run as an independent, I was like, geez.

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• 1:16:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, like Michael Schellenberger.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Like you fucking can't win.

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  Do you know Michael Schellenberger? He's fantastic.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's great.

• 1:16:39Speaker 00

  And he ran for governor twice as an independent.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  And I remember, you know, I tried to help, I put him on my show.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  I think he knew he wasn't going to win.

• 1:16:46Speaker 00

  Do you think that was the best?

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, he's, you know, it's good for his career.

• 1:16:50Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  And it gives him an opportunity to speak his mind. He says a lot of very, very interesting and intelligent things.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  Yes, he's great.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, he's, he's great at exposing a lot of horse shit. You know, he's really good at that and he's very meticulous. He's a good journalist.

• 1:17:06Speaker 00

  No, I'm really doing it because I, I don't, don't laugh. I really believe that I can win for real.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Well, you might be able to because California is that fucked. California is that fucked that I think there's a lot of, look.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  We lived in a very liberal area when I lived in California. Everyone was very liberal and it was normal. It was like, it was normal liberal, like what, what it used to mean, like you believed in gay rights. You believed in women's rights. You believed in civil rights. Normal stuff. You believed in the social safety net, normal stuff. Like that was what it used to mean to be a liberal. Bill Clinton liberal.

• 1:17:39Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  From like the nineties. If you listen to Bill Clinton talk today, he sounds like he's running for a Republican.

• 1:17:45Speaker 00

  Nobody, and, and on immigration, have you seen these clips that people like?

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  He's more MAGA. Hillary Clinton was the most MAGA.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  All right. She literally, there's one the other day where she was, that I, I hadn't seen before, which was so, it's like, we, like. We can't have all these illegal immigrants and, and we have to. And it was about the health care. We, we can't be giving free healthcare to illegal immigrants. Cause we cannot have incentives for more illegal immigrants to come.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Republican talking point.

• 1:18:12Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Crazy. But it just shows you, it's all bullshit. It's not real. Like this idea that if you're on the left, you're supporting science. You're supporting civil rights. You're supporting, they're telling you that to get your votes so they can steal money. That's all it is. It's, as soon as you accept that, you realize like, oh, both parties are completely full of shit. They just fuck you in different ways.

• 1:18:36Speaker 00

  There's definitely a, one thing I've noticed, there's, um, in. Yeah. In the, the, the most of, in, in Sacramento, they're in the, in the legislature, they've, I think they're just, I don't know. Either they don't believe it or they've just been beaten down. And so you've had this, they've just gone along with it. But actually now you've got a few Republicans in California and they're friends of mine and we're working together. Anyone have heard of any of, you know, people like Carl DeMayo, David Tongue, Ali Macedo, the new leader in, in the assembly. Really actually have got this, you know, we, we're real kind of friends and allies in fighting back against the corruption.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  That's the big thing I think that you learn when you, is the, the, the interest groups, the big business. The big unions, they, they've just completely captured the government. And, and I think it's fair to say the Republicans have been part of that. But there's a group of us now who really don't buy it and we're fighting back. I think we can make a big difference if we get, you know, if we can, they've got a two thirds majority in the legislature. That's, they call it a super majority. It's been like that for more than 10 years. So they can do whatever they want, the Democrats, and the Republicans have been kind of irrelevant. If we can just, you know, win a few more seats so they don't have a super majority. And if I can get elected and then we can start to chip away at it for sure.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  I think it's important to not let either party have complete and total control.

• 1:20:07Speaker 00

  That's exactly right.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  And I don't think it's, I don't think this is just the Democrats. I think if the Republicans are in the same position, we have a unique, another unique set of corruption and problems that would be similar. And they'd be finding other ways to steal money.

• 1:20:22Speaker 00

  I mean, this is the fundament, a hundred percent agree. I mean, that's what I say to Democrats and we, you know, we, we, we can see it in some of the numbers. I'm doing well with independents. We're getting Democrats come to my events. And one of the things I say is like, it's just not healthy to have one party running everything. And for the last 16 years, they, in, in California, they've had all the statewide elected positions, governor and the other ones, attorney general, whatever. Two thirds majority in both legislative chambers. Every big city, every big county, the state Supreme Court, six, one Democrat appointees. They just rub a stamp what, whatever they want. And it's just not healthy.

• 1:21:03Speaker 00

  And it gets into this mentality of arrogance where they just feel they can do whatever they want. And no one's ever going to, you know, stop them.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 00

  That's where we're at.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  And again, if the Republicans were in the same position of power, you'd have another different set of problems that was probably very similar. Cause it's just how people operate when there's, when they have control. When they have complete, it's just like if you have an authoritarian government.

• 1:21:31Speaker 00

  Yes, that's exactly right.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Similar kind of a situation. You have no, no one's challenging your position of power. And you get to do whatever you want to do. And then you have a bunch of people that funded your campaign and giving you a bunch of money. And then they're helping you out with this and business deals to your uncle and this and that.

• 1:21:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, you see, on the right, you saw it just now in Hungary with Viktor Orban. So I, I know Hungary well because it's, my family still live there. And it, it finally, it was 16 years he was in power, same amount of time as the Democrats in California. And by the end, it's all exactly what you're talking about, like just unbelievable levels of corruption.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's always if, if they have total control, they're going to be corrupt. Especially if they don't have any oversight, if they can just get away with it, like this homeless thing where they've lost the $24 billion. And the governor can say, nope, don't look into that stamp. You can veto that? How are you, how is that legal? How is it legal that you could veto something that is?

• 1:22:26Speaker 00

  And actually the amazing thing about that is that it was even the, the Democrat super majority. That part, that, that did that, right? So the process was the state auditor, it was a Republican legislator that asked the state auditor to look at it. So it's initiated by a Republican, state auditor publishes the report, 24 billion missing. The legislature as a whole, which is two thirds Democrat run, said, we need a proper audit. It was his guys, it was the Democrats.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  It was everyone.

• 1:22:54Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because those Democrats weren't completely corrupt.

• 1:22:58Speaker 00

  It's amazing, you know.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  You'd have to be completely corrupt to not look into that.

• 1:23:03Speaker 00

  I know. It's amazing. And, and then, then the bullshit excuse that they come out, oh, it's not necessary because of, like, oh.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  It's not necessary to look at where $24 billion went. And not just didn't work, but homelessness increased by a substantial margin.

• 1:23:20Speaker 00

  Well, because the money, the answer to the question is very obvious. I mean, when we say that term homeless industrial complex.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  What is it? You look at it, it's basically got two parts to it. You've got the nonprofits, like we talked about, that just keep getting the money. But, you know, they've actually made it illegal to solve the problem. So they've, no, I'm not joking. They've, it's illegal to, for state money to go to any of these organizations that require any kind of response from the homeless person. So you can't require addiction treatment, recovery, anything like that, job training, nothing. It's illegal. It's called housing first. So like, obviously, when you've got eighty percent, and the fentanyl is a really big part of it.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  The idea that it's a housing issue is so preposterous, too.

• 1:24:09Speaker 00

  So you've got the nonprofits, but then the other part of it, which is where actually the bulk of the money's going, are these crony developers. There's a very small group of developers, house builders, that build these apartment units. They called it permanent supportive housing, the other, you know, shelter. And they're charging up to, I mean, a low ball estimate was about six hundred thousand. There are some in L A, in the Bay Area, that are nine hundred thousand, a million dollars per unit to build, right? I've got a friend that builds apartments in the Bay Area, you know, he said, without all the government bullshit that goes around it,

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  the layers of nonsense that they put in if it's taxpayer money, the union contracts, that you've got to use this kind of material, the environmental, all this stuff, you could build it for a quarter, like two hundred and fifty thousand per door, they call it. Four times as much. That's where the money's going. And then you get the unit, whatever, they put the homeless person in there who's still addicted to fentanyl. And as I went, again, with a real charity in Venice, we went around, a guy who's a recovered addict, recovering addict, and twenty-three years clean, and he's actually trying to help people. He actually hired, you know, he rents Airbnbs, and he does group recovery, and they have a, you know, recovery program they do together.

• 1:25:32Speaker 00

  He says, like, these guys that are getting the permanent supportive housing, it's like a second home. Because they're going back to the street to buy drugs, deal drugs, because they're addicts.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:45Speaker 00

  And you're not changing the behavior.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  They're addicts and they're mentally ill. And so there's a massive influx of homeless people during the Reagan administration, where they kind of like open the doors of the mental institutions, say, well, we're not going to fund this anymore. Which is, for public health and safety, that is a fucking terrible idea.

• 1:26:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, and they, but then the other thing about that, I completely agree, is that they then, that's been incorporated, that idea that you can't have, um, mental institutions, insane asylum, there's this kind of general sense that that's barbaric, and you don't want people in these institutions, and it's better to have them cared in the community. So that's incorporated into Medicaid. And so often with government, you've got to look at the money flows. And one of the things that's still there is this rule called I M D, Institutions of Mental Disease. And the I M D rule is that there's no reimbursement from federal Medicaid to any treatment that happens in a facility with more than sixteen beds.

• 1:26:47Speaker 00

  It's a very specific limit, sixteen beds, because they don't, it's all based on this philosophy of, we don't want big mental institutions.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:58Speaker 00

  So that means that there's no incentive to have modern, large-scale, mental health care. Because there's all these small things, because you don't get any money back if you're just staying.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  I think people are also rightly suspicious of the potential for a medical health industrial complex.

• 1:27:17Speaker 00

  Definitely.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  And then, I mean, think of how many people, imagine if they could just, like, have you ever seen that video of there's a guy who gets pulled over, and the cops on the spot tell him that he's been evaluated as being mentally unwell, and he needs to come in, and the guy is completely calm and rational when he's talking to him. And he's like, well, make an appointment, and I'll go and get evaluated. And he's like, no, we're going to bring you in. He's like, what are you, what are you, what are you saying? Well, you've been deemed unwell. He's like, by who? I don't have, there's no ruling against me? It's really interesting. So apparently, there's more to it. And this video went viral. Apparently, there have been some videos of this guy where he posted online where he's acting kind of loony.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  I saw a couple of them, I was like, yeah, that's a little problem, a little problematic, but could also be he's acting out on camera. I don't know if he's doing this in real life, like, just because someone's doing it in videos. So like, a lot of people act out in video just for attention, or maybe that's how he blows off steam, says wild shit, like, you know, we need to eat the earth, or I don't know what the fuck he's saying. So there's, but the video is very disturbing, because in that moment, if these police officers in Canada are supposed to be evaluating someone who doesn't have an official psych evaluation, where he's been brought in, and they've said, you know, you have to be institutionalized. So that hasn't happened.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  And so they're pulling this guy over, and based on his interaction with them, he is completely calm and rational. In fact, like, charitably so, because they're saying something fucking totally preposterous. And he's not yelling, he doesn't raise his voice, he's coherent, he's articulate. I want you to watch it, because it's kind of crazy. Jamie, I'm sure you can find it.

• 1:29:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was trying to find the update, though.

• 1:29:02Speaker 00

  That's really terrifying.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Uh, but let's just look at the actual video itself, because the video itself is bizarre. Because without any context, and again, I think there is some context. There have been some videos where he acted nutty, and this guy might just be manic depressive, where he's capable of keeping it together, like, to pretend he's normal when the cops are there, but then as soon as he's on his own, and no one's watching him, he goes insane. That is possible.

• 1:29:25Speaker 00

  But what, were they, did they have any prior knowledge of him? What was that based on?

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Someone had told them that he's off the rails, so they went in to go get him. But the thing is, shouldn't there be, like, some sort of an official psychiatric evaluation? Conservative influencer, ah, he's a conservative influencer, being held captive in Canadian.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  Okay, well, let's, let's watch the video. Put your headphones on, because the video is kind of kooky.

• 1:29:57Speaker 06

  And this is Dr. Emery, he's a resident psychiatrist, a senior resident, he's on a rotation with the Car eighty-seven. We're part of a program that includes Vancouver Coastal Health and, um, uh, the Vancouver Police. And what we do is we go to people when there's different reasons that come up. Every case is a little different, and we go to people to see them where they are, especially if there's been issues with trying to find them and talk to them. So in, in your case, um, I think you were certified under the Mental Health Act. Just, I don't know how long ago, but like, maybe three weeks ago or four weeks ago, were you aware of that? Dr. Taylor saw you in a cafe. She didn't certify you, I think you filmed part of it.

• 1:30:42Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Speaker 06

  And this is Dr. Emery, he's a resident. Uh, and then she, um, uh, spoke with your family, um, got some more information, and, um, you know, you're going to have to turn that off.

• 1:30:54Speaker 07

  Just one, one sec.

• 1:30:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:56Speaker 07

  What the officer just told me is that, um, you know, you and I can set up a meeting and we can chat then, so why don't we do that, okay?

• 1:31:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:31:02Speaker 07

  I'm not turning the camera off. I have a legal right to keep the camera on. If you don't want to make the appointment now, we can do it at another time. But, um, I, you know, that's what the officer just asked that we do, so why don't we do that?

• 1:31:12Speaker 06

  So I'm going to certify you under the Mental Health Act. We're going to bring you to hospital, do testing on you. And, um, you're going to talk to a psychiatrist in a controlled environment, because we don't believe that you're going to attend an appointment. You've been.

• 1:31:25Speaker 07

  I haven't attended, I've never been given a chance to attend an appointment.

• 1:31:28Speaker 05

  So he's certified?

• 1:31:29Speaker 07

  I've never been, uh, and then, I've never been given a chance to attend an appointment. What is going on? I haven't, I was never given a psyche eval or nothing, he just looked at me and said, you're certified.

• 1:31:40Speaker 05

  Okay, so, I don't know why, but it's up to the doctor, so if you.

• 1:31:44Speaker 07

  But no, he didn't even give me a, he didn't even give me an eval, he just looked at me and said, I'm certified, man.

• 1:31:48Speaker 05

  I get that, I get that.

• 1:31:49Speaker 07

  You know, please, please consider what you're doing, and please think about the fact that I'm more than happy to come in for an appointment. I'm happy to go through and do everything properly, okay? I just, I've been completely compliant with everything.

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  Yes, even really good at me, Nicholas, but listen, that's his call, and unfortunately, we can't go back from that.

• 1:32:03Speaker 07

  He hasn't talked to me. You're, you're interacting with me at a very regular. I've never been given a chance.

• 1:32:09Speaker 08

  So I had some eggs and stuff for breakfast this morning. Yeah, I didn't put drapes, I had to tape this up because my window didn't have drapes. And so all night, there's just light beaming into my room. So I couldn't sleep last night, so I demanded that they give me tape and stuff to put on my windows so that I could sleep tonight. I'm like, one of the only rooms that has no drapes.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:32:40Speaker 08

  Hmm. Shangri-La, baby. So I had some-

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  How fucking strange. This is crazy. Strange. So, here's the thing. Like, this doctor ran into him somewhere- Yeah. And said, "I'm certifying you." Based on what? That's insane. And is he really a conservative influencer, or is that a narrative? Like, I don't understand what that means. Like, if you are quote-unquote conservative, and you have a thousand people on your Instagram, and you rant and rave, you know, in a manic-depressive manner, is that, are you a conservative influencer now? Or is that like rage bait to get them to say, like, but here's the thing, like, Canada has socialized medicine, and they also have insane government overreach. Exactly. And if there was someone who was a rabble-rouser online, and that person happened

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  to be acting a little kooky, wouldn't that be a great time? But meanwhile, how many fucking liberal, this is Vancouver, which is like Portland on steroids, like, how many kooky fucking people on the left are being pulled into mental hos- hospitals and making these similar videos? Fucking zero, which is a little odd, but it doesn't mean that this guy's not a little off the rails. Because the videos that I saw, see if you can find some videos of him off, they might have been pulled from the internet, but a bunch of people were saying, "Hold on, uh, there's more to this," and they were showing some of the, here's the other problem, I don't know if those videos are real. Those videos could be AI, you know, in this day and age, it's almost impossible to tell. You could, you have video of this guy, you'd say, have this guy screaming shit stuff about

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

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• 1:36:16Speaker 00

  But this is why you gotta be so careful about, um, authoritarianism creeping into government.

• 1:36:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:36:24Speaker 00

  It really is-

• 1:36:24Speaker 01

  That right there. First of all, I don't like his backseat, all that shit, boxes and stuff.

• 1:36:30Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  That looks a little kooky. Like, that fits that he might be losing his marbles if he's got, you know, stacks of stuff, unless he's like leaving an office and moving stuff and putting it in his backseat temporarily. It's a weird sign, when the entire backseat is filled with boxes and trash, you might be losing your marbles. Um, but he did sound, like, there's no, in my eyes, listening to him talk, there's no indication that this guy's a threat to himself, and he must be institutionalized. That guy's more than capable of speaking in a very rational manner. So, even if he's nuts, he's not that nuts. There's a lot of nutty people-

• 1:37:08Speaker 00

  Yes, much more dangerous. There's, to me, this is very, like, we're talking earlier about the medicalization and everything. And there's a trend here of this inhumanity that is really, really dark. I mean, did you see the, um, I don't know if you follow the back and forth on, you know, with the AI guys, on, um, regulating AI and whether AI is positive or negative, that whole debate?

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Which, uh, which-

• 1:37:42Speaker 00

  Did you see Amade, the anthropic guy?

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  What did he say?

• 1:37:46Speaker 00

  Just in the last few days, there was this, he, he, it was, I think it was on one of the other, on All In, that's right, someone, someone was talking about him wanting to have gov- like, hyping up the doom scenario from, from, from AI.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  These guys that are hyping up the doom of AI are the actual people that were working on it. This is what gets scary.

• 1:38:08Speaker 00

  This is Dario Amade, who's the CEO and the founder of Anthropic. And he replied, and so the argument was, he's hyping it up because he wants regulation, government regulation, that will protect the kind of big incumbents against, you know, competition. That was the argument. And then he replied to the argument by saying, he's had some stuff about regulation, then he did long posts on X. And the first one was about the regulation, but the second one was about, actually, I'm not that, I'm not Mr. Doom when it comes to AI. I've always said it can be really positive. And one of the things he pointed to was this essay that he wrote called Machines of Love and Grace. 14,000

• 1:38:49Speaker 00

  words. And that was his response to, like, being characterized as Mr. Negative. When you look at this thing, it's so dark. Like, he's going on about, well, there'll be no, um, we can foresee a time when human beings can't make useful contributions to the economy, um, and that people won't have much to do, and then they can play video games. And then at one point, there's what, the thing that made me think of it, um, when he was raising, well, what are kids gonna do, and there's, he starts going about, we have things like Ritalin, and we know how to medicate people when they're depressed, so it's fine if they don't have a sense of-

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 1:39:32Speaker 00

  Ritalin, are you kidding me?

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  If they don't have a sense of worth, we'll numb them.

• 1:39:35Speaker 00

  Literally, that's what he wrote.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:37Speaker 00

  And, and that's what he pointed to as him being Mr. Positive. It's just terrifying.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  So this is recently?

• 1:39:45Speaker 00

  This is last, within the last week.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Okay, and what is his position in the company?

• 1:39:48Speaker 00

  He's CEO, he's the founder of Anthropic.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:39:51Speaker 00

  Like, the main, the big two.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  The programmers, though, are the ones that are leaving and writing poetry. They're giving up on society, and they're, they're hiding and waiting. You know, you hear about that, there's one lead programmer that read, he wrote some, like, uh, basically a statement as he was leaving, explaining the impending doom that is coming to civilization, and how he's checking out, and he's gonna ride it out and see what happens, but he left the United States. I think he went to Ireland or somewhere like that?

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:40:22Speaker 01

  And he said he's gonna write poetry.

• 1:40:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Like, okay. Like, I mean, this is an existential crisis this guy's happening, having while he's working-

• 1:40:29Speaker 00

  While he's working on it.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Working on this thing and realizing this thing is conscious.

• 1:40:33Speaker 00

  Well, that is one of the things that I feel is so odd about the, the two that have been most negative are, um, Amade, Dario Amade, he's Anthropic, and Sam Altman, OpenAI.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 00

  They're the most negative, or have been. Um, and if you believe half the things they're saying, they're like, well, why are you doing it then? If you think this is the end of the human, whatever, I know they have dialed it back a bit, but why would you keep building something?

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Did you, see when Peter Thiel-

• 1:41:03Speaker 00

  That's so bad.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  When Peter Thiel got asked whether the human race should survive?

• 1:41:08Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  He paused for like, fucking 15 seconds, like, um, um.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  I didn't read this, but Perplexity says that the mention of Ritalin is like a good thing, like, if we figured out how to improve ourselves with things like Ritalin, and using AI could potentially make it even better.

• 1:41:27Speaker 00

  I mean, come on.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  That AI will make Ritalin even better?

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  So we'll just be on awesome drugs?

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  No, yeah, that we'll find better versions of drugs that are better than Ritalin.

• 1:41:35Speaker 01

  So, instead of people finding meaning and purpose in life, or just-

• 1:41:38Speaker 02

  Not how it's being talked about.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  Well, what is he saying then?

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  It says right here, it says, "Using Ritalin is not in the nothing to do and work in meeting discussion. It appears as speculation. It's just about the future of neuroscience."

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I see what you're saying. So what they're saying, they're, they're talking about increasing the potency or making these things more effective for mental health interventions using AI?

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so he argues that AI-driven biology could enable much greater cognitive and mental health interventions than those available today. That's really wonderful if true, right? Like, I personally know people that have been saved by SSRIs. Like, I'm not, I'm not a blanket, SSRIs are bad. I, I have a friend that was severely depressed and suicidal, and I got him a psychiatrist, and he got him out, and he eventually got his life back in gear, weaned himself off him, now he's great. So, like, who knows? That guy could have made a hasty decision and taken his own life, and if he was in Canada, they might have probably fucking encouraged it, right? So, he's fine now. It's just, the problem is, they're ridiculously over-prescribed. And there's another solution. The other solution is a natural human solution. It doesn't involve medication.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  It involves exercise and nutrition and community. And we can all encourage that for free. You know, you can fucking do push-ups and bodyweight squats. It doesn't cost you a nickel. You don't have to go to a pharmacy. Like, all these things, all these things are already here. Like, why are we developing addictive chemical solutions? Because they're all addictive. Every one of them. They're, I have a good buddy right now who got off of them, he was doing great, and now he's back on them again. Because he is, it just, his, he's fucked. His system's fucked. Because he's been on them for twenty years. And it's, it's scary, because I know people that have been on them that have done rash things. And they've, they just, they don't feel like they're themselves anymore. And then there's also the weird sexual side effects, the numbing, numbness of the genitals,

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  inability to have orgasms. There's a lot of fucking weird shit attached to it, when there's another solution.

• 1:43:35Speaker 00

  That's what's so...

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  Uh, here's some interesting context. Uh, according to Snopes, that guy was arrested after he posted this.

• 1:43:42Speaker 00

  Oh, the Vancouver thing.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  After he posted what?

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  This document.

• 1:43:45Speaker 01

  "This is not solicitation. If you find this document unattended, do not remove it from the property where it was placed, unless you're the owner of said property. Removing this document may make you criminally liable for indictable offense, carrying a penalty of up to ten years in prison." So what is this document?

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  It's on Google Docs. It's, uh, just the, the brief, like, explanation. It's talking about how China and, uh, Canada are corrupt and making a dictator police state.

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  It says, "China and the corrupt Canadian government are trying to turn Vancouver into a dictatorship police state. China's been classified as high-risk adversary by all long-term democratic security alliances, NATO, NORAD, the Five Eyes Alliance, the Canadian Centre for Cybersecurity, even Carney himself during elections. Carney has committed treason via secret Chinese policing and law enforcement MOU, illegal Chinese police stations in Vancouver, selling Vancouver to China via the Aboriginal people's undrip." Well, is he right?

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  So that's right. I have no idea if he's right or not, but that's, it was saying, he was not maybe an influencer, but a commentator. He had, like, sixty-seven thousand followers on Instagram.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Oh, and this could be why they're saying he's nuts.

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  Right, I guess.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  Because he's, he's uncovering some shit that's probably going on.

• 1:44:56Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, this is not exactly out of the mainstream to be...

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Listen, the fucking mayor of Arcadia in California, they just found out was a Chinese spy. The mayor of a city in California...

• 1:45:09Speaker 00

  Well, just today, there was more about, um, Swalwell and Fang Fang, the Chinese spy.

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. The guy wanted to be governor, and he's, like, shackled up with a spy.

• 1:45:18Speaker 00

  I wanted to make the joke. I was like, so the very first debate, the very first TV debate, um, you know, you're kind of getting ready, you think, and I really wanted to make a sort of Fang Fang Bang Bang joke. Bang, no, Fang Fang Gang Bang. Oh, you know, it's an obvious joke, right?

• 1:45:35Speaker 01

  So he admitted to physical relations.

• 1:45:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he denied it for, yeah, for all the time, denied it.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  So just today, he admitted it?

• 1:45:42Speaker 00

  I think it's just in the news today. I don't know what happened.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  Well, was he trying to make a comeback?

• 1:45:45Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm banging the spy. Whoopsies.

• 1:45:49Speaker 00

  But I was, anyway, I was really wanted to make this joke, um, about, you know, the Fang Fang. It's just so, you can't resist it, right?

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  It's a funny name.

• 1:45:59Speaker 00

  Exactly. Fang Fang Bang, whatever. Anyway, so, and, and then he didn't show up, and, and I think, well, he denied that it's, can I really say that? You know? You've got to be fair, you've got to try and be accurate.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  Good for you.

• 1:46:11Speaker 00

  So, and, but then he didn't show up to the debate, because he claimed that there was, I don't know, he had some vote or whatever. So I never got to debate him.

• 1:46:18Speaker 01

  The idea that this kid in, in Canada is being brought into, uh, for mental health evaluation and in prison because he's uncovering that, that's not unprecedented. That's, that, that's believable. I don't know if it's true. He might also have been a little kooky. This is, uh, again, I don't know if the videos that I saw are real, but the videos that I, again, especially considering what we're talking about now. If you were trying to make someone look insane, that was uncovering some real, serious corruption with a foreign government. Which is possible.

• 1:46:54Speaker 00

  Of course it's possible. And also, it's America, right? We're in a huge country. It's like beautifully crazy in many ways. You know, people can think, what, then, and they got the internet, and you, yeah, people will, you know, honestly, all the time, people are giving me that, you know, they, they shove things in my hand or an envelope, whatever. And I open it up every single time, because half the time, it's something that's, you know, something conspiratorial that isn't right, or doesn't seem right. And other times, it's like really good ideas. But the point is that they actually are useful, or they'll make me think about something in a different way. But the point is that, yes, there's lots of people out there with, you know, somewhat crazy ideas. You can't lock them all up.

• 1:47:35Speaker 01

  Well, it's not just that. There's lots of real corruption. And if this guy posts this, and has there been an investigation? Do we know whether or not this is an act? Has it been completely debunked? Because if it has, oh, well, then, maybe you're right. Maybe he's crazy. Or, if it turns out that everything he's saying is true, maybe he's a slightly crazy person who's also uncovering the truth, which is like...

• 1:47:57Speaker 00

  Exactly. And sometimes it takes obsessive people to do that.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  That was the premise of that Mel Gibson movie. Remember?

• 1:48:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  He was crazy, but he was actually right?

• 1:48:04Speaker 00

  No, which one?

• 1:48:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it was called Conspiracy Theory?

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, was that with, uh, Julia Roberts? Yeah. It was fun.

• 1:48:12Speaker 00

  That sounds great.

• 1:48:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:14Speaker 00

  I haven't seen it.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  He was like a nutty dude who was on to things. He's basically like Alex Jones.

• 1:48:17Speaker 00

  That sounds really interesting.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  It was a good movie.

• 1:48:20Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  You know, for the time. A little dated. You go watch it today, you're like, eh.

• 1:48:24Speaker 00

  What do we do? I, we, one of the things, I went on the road the whole time. Like, long drives, it's California. And, um, so, I find some of these, you know, every now and again, you just want something. You know, so the, I, you want, there's a lot of movies, it turns out, that are big parts of American culture that I'm, I haven't seen. Um, we watched, what was it, the other night? Superbad. I'd never seen it.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a classic.

• 1:48:47Speaker 00

  I'd never seen it. It's so good.

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  It's one of the best comedies of all time.

• 1:48:50Speaker 00

  It was so good, and I've never seen it.

• 1:48:51Speaker 01

  I unfortunately tried watching with my kids when they were ten and twelve. I'm like, here, sit down, watch this. And then we shut it off after three minutes, like, this is, sorry. I forgot.

• 1:49:00Speaker 00

  It's so good.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I forgot.

• 1:49:02Speaker 00

  Brilliant writing. I mean, it's not just, like, funny and a kind of slapstick with a bit of that, but it was just really clever.

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  The scene where the kid's just sitting in class drawing dicks?

• 1:49:10Speaker 00

  It's something.

• 1:49:11Speaker 01

  It's so funny. By the way, could not make that movie today. And the people who made that movie would not make that movie today.

• 1:49:20Speaker 00

  We were literally, so, my friend Eric, who you just, he's, he's on my team, we've become good friends, he's, um, you met him earlier. Like, that's exactly what we're saying. Like, you couldn't make it.

• 1:49:30Speaker 01

  They got captured. The, that's the problem with being on the team of the left. They got captured by an ideology that destroyed comedy in, in their world, right? They cannot do that kind of comedy anymore. That kind of, nobody believes that you support all the things these people are saying. It's just showing a ridiculous human being who's saying some crazy shit, and it makes you laugh. It's not changing the fucking world. It's not altering anybody's opinions. And it's not going to force people to do anything that they wouldn't ordinarily do. No good person is going to watch that movie and want to go out and do bad things. That's not how it works. It's just a piece of art. It's just like, you know, Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff, okay? It's a fucking piece of art. It's a piece of art.

• 1:50:13Speaker 01

  And it's a piece of art that we have fucked up. It's particularly movies, because movies are attached to Hollywood. And then stand-up comedy, fortunately, has an out. And because of the internet, we don't need Hollywood anymore. So, but because of that, we now get labeled right-wing. Especially stand-up comedy that's like, not adherent. And I don't want to call it anti-woke, because that's silly. Because it's not anti-woke, it's just comedy.

• 1:50:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  It's just like, woke doesn't allow certain subjects.

• 1:50:45Speaker 00

  It's just, it should be anti-establishment. And the, when the establishment is taken over by an ideology, it happens to be that. But you'd go the other way, when it's the people in power. It's supposed to be against the people in power.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  It's supposed to be what is funny.

• 1:50:59Speaker 00

  What is funny, fair enough.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  What is funny.

• 1:51:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  Across the board. And as soon as you say, no, you can't make fun of this anymore. Like, why?

• 1:51:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  Why? It's a religion. It's basically like, it's blasphemy to make fun of whatever you, whatever you decided is.

• 1:51:14Speaker 00

  It's ridiculous, it's weird, yeah.

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  And that killed that kind of movie.

• 1:51:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  Those fucking movies were everywhere.

• 1:51:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  The Hangover. There was always a movie like that. Fucking, there's so many of them.

• 1:51:26Speaker 00

  And, but a lot of them, I haven't seen, we were just talking about it the other night. Um, yeah, the, the, the...

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  Ace Ventura Pet Detective, the whole premise was about a transgender woman. And you find out she was transgender, and everybody throws up. Do you remember?

• 1:51:39Speaker 00

  No, I haven't seen, I honestly, I haven't...

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  You never saw Ace Ventura Pet Detective?

• 1:51:42Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:51:44Speaker 00

  I know, we gotta do a list for the road.

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  He's too busy watching Monty Hall over there. Fucking Benny Hill reruns.

• 1:51:51Speaker 00

  Benny, my favorite Benny Hill thing.

• 1:51:54Speaker 01

  Benny Hill was like-

• 1:51:54Speaker 00

  So I'm not saying this, but I couldn't, like, the first, there's someone, there's a friend of mine at Fox, called, she's called Kennedy, she's very funny, and she, um, used to always, do you remember Janet Yellen?

• 1:52:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:52:05Speaker 00

  She was the, she always called her Benny Hill. And then the minute I saw that, that I saw a picture of the next time, I just couldn't get it.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Kennedy was an MTV VJ.

• 1:52:17Speaker 00

  She's great.

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  And then she became a Republican talking head on Fox. I was like, that's nuts.

• 1:52:22Speaker 00

  She's a real libertarian, though.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  But isn't it interesting?

• 1:52:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:25Speaker 01

  Like, someone's like, on MTV with like, a, a girl with glasses on, you're like, oh, progressive, for sure. And then winds up on-

• 1:52:34Speaker 00

  But she's cool, she's libertarian, she's-

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  She seems very smart.

• 1:52:36Speaker 00

  She, she's great, very funny. She does, um, Freedom Fest. She's like, that's, she's a big part of that, the libertarian thing.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:52:44Speaker 00

  She's great.

• 1:52:45Speaker 01

  How'd she go from being a VJ, like-

• 1:52:47Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  Here's the next fucking, you know-

• 1:52:50Speaker 00

  Well, she's from LA, she's very, um, she's great. She used to call Janet Yellen Benny Hill.

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:52:57Speaker 00

  But I love, now, the comedy thing, like, that's another joy, actually, um, so I used to really, so Eric's really into Louis CK, so I've, I'd seen a bit of him, obviously, but I've watched a lot now, he's so great. I mean, we've really enjoyed that.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  Brilliant comedian, yeah.

• 1:53:14Speaker 00

  Brilliant, brilliant, and-

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  And, yeah, did some fucking ridiculous weird shit, but, but the way they described it was so different than the actual acts themselves.

• 1:53:23Speaker 00

  But also, his response to it was brilliant, that show where he addressed it.

• 1:53:27Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:53:27Speaker 00

  Was so good.

• 1:53:28Speaker 01

  He had a weird kink where he wanted people to watch him jerk off, and he would ask them, and if they said yes, he would do it. Look, I don't think you should do that, I think it seems crazy to be standing in front of a couple of girls and jerking off in front of them, but, I'm not him, okay? And I also didn't say, if I said, no, open the door, let me out, and then you wouldn't let me out, that's a different story, but that's not what anybody was alleging. It's just kinda gross and weird, and I think he would probably admit to that, but, you know-

• 1:53:58Speaker 00

  He did, and he, he had a very funny, I thought was brilliant, I can't remember exactly, but the first big show he did after that, when he sort of returned from like, being-

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  His art, though, is like, what, you gotta judge, like, what is he, as long as he's not done, did what like Bill Cosby did, like, that, that's a completely different thing.

• 1:54:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, it didn't seem that it was a kind of systematic, like, really machine-like, predatory thing, that was just a ongoing-

• 1:54:28Speaker 01

  It was a weird kink.

• 1:54:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:30Speaker 01

  He had a weird kink, he wanted to jerk off in front of people, like, okay. It, it, it's, so, look, I get that people would be upset, and if you don't wanna watch this comedy anymore, I get that too. That's fine. Everybody has, that's your prerogative. But like, the comedy itself is some of the best comedy that's ever been written.

• 1:54:49Speaker 00

  It's, it's exactly-

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Ever been done.

• 1:54:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  He's one of the best to ever do it. I mean, if you have a top whatever group of comedians-

• 1:54:55Speaker 00

  Is he in your kind of gang here? How do you, like-

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  Well, he's in New York, um, but he actually helped me design the club.

• 1:55:03Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, cool.

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  He came when it was bare bones, um, and we went over the club, and he gave me a bunch of great suggestions, and I implemented all of them. The, uh, smaller, our, our rooms are named after the nuclear bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So it's, uh, Fat Man and Little Boy are our rooms. There's a reason for that. The, the reason is actually that the, cause it's the comedy mothership, it's a UFO-based comedy club. The UFOs really started showing up in America after the nuclear bomb. So, once the nuclear weapons program was implemented in the nineteen forty, the, the amount of UFO sightings went through the roof. And the real big ones were like Roswell, New Mexico, which is forty-seven, so right after the war.

• 1:55:45Speaker 01

  They started, so this is like, part of UFO folklore, so that's why we did it. Um, that's why we named him after the nuclear, and not making light of people dying in horrific nuclear bombs. Um, so he, uh, told me to make the stage smaller in the little room, it was a great idea, I was like, right, why is the stage so big, it's a small room? And then he also said, can you, it was already a low ceiling, he's like, can you lower it more? I'm like, we could lower it like, right to the top of that door, it's like, you should do that. And he gave me some advice on sound deadening in the room, and what to do, and make it, you know, how to make the sound crystal clear, and just great, awesome advice. And I, the beautiful thing about that club is I took advice from every comedian that was in town, I would, I'd bring them there, I'd go, tell me what you think, what would you want?

• 1:56:27Speaker 01

  Like, if you wanted to design a comedy club, I'll literally let you. Like, just tell me what you think. And we ran it through a vote, so there's a whole group of us, and it was like, me and Brian Simpson, and Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe, and, and all these guys that were good friends of mine that we performed with all the time. I, uh, we all just sat around, and none, none of the ideas were like, I think we should do this. I didn't do that with any of them, I said, tell me what you guys wanna do. Like, and they were like, you should have this, like, okay, we'll do that.

• 1:56:54Speaker 00

  Great.

• 1:56:55Speaker 01

  We should have monitors in the green room, we should see the guy on stage, okay, let's do that. What else? And everything anybody said, we did. We should have, uh, um, free, uh, mental health services for all the employees. So we did that. So free availability for counselling, psychiatry, we have that. Or psychologists, they can, they can all go to counsellors. So it's, that's free. Healthcare, take care of everything, give the comedians way more money than any other club does. We did that. We just like, what, what do we, what do we, what does everybody want?

• 1:57:24Speaker 00

  What's the perfect club?

• 1:57:25Speaker 01

  What does everybody want?

• 1:57:26Speaker 00

  What does it look like, yeah?

• 1:57:27Speaker 01

  Let's do it, and let's do it in a way where we're just trying to make the best thing possible. We're not doing it like, let's make the most money.

• 1:57:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:57:33Speaker 01

  We're just trying to not lose money, so let's just do it that way. And it worked. And it worked because of people like Louis CK, and all these people that came by and gave us advice, and told us, you know, what they think.

• 1:57:46Speaker 00

  Fantastic.

• 1:57:47Speaker 01

  So, yeah, so Louis is great, I love him. He's a fucking really smart guy, but like a lot of smart guys, he's fucking weird. You know, a lot of people-

• 1:57:54Speaker 00

  I think that about these AI people.

• 1:57:55Speaker 01

  You wanna be a great comedian, you have to be a fucking weirdo. You know, they're all just weird in different ways. Chappelle's weird in his way, you know, Chris Rock's weird in his way, Hinchcliffe's weird in his way, they're all weird. Shane's weird, everyone's weird.

• 1:58:08Speaker 00

  It's an incredible thing to do, honestly. Just, it, it's like, really, in a tiny way, I'm not even comparing it, but I'm comparing this in terms of what I'm doing, which is, you gotta go there, and you've got, I don't know, I just viewed the other, just in the last few days, you've got hundreds of people, and you gotta entertain them. Now, I'm mainly talking about politics, which is much easier, because you've got, you know, material that's just obvious and out there, and it's, but it's, but you're, and you gotta keep them entertained, you can't be boring, you can't like, and it's, you know, you gotta give a good show.

• 1:58:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:58:46Speaker 00

  And so, the thought of doing that, and being funny, for all of it, instead of what I do, which is throw in the odd joke, you know, political joke or something, or self-deprecating joke, you know?

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  Right, but that's just-

• 1:59:01Speaker 00

  That's nothing.

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  But it's, you're not focusing on that. If you focus on that, you could do it.

• 1:59:06Speaker 00

  No, but I'm just saying, it, I now really appreciate how hard it is. Just, just the-

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  It is and it isn't. Joey Diaz has the greatest saying, he goes, it's the fucking hardest, easiest thing you'll ever do.

• 1:59:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  Because when you're flowing, it's easy. You know, when you're up there and you're killing, it's so easy. It's hard constructing the material.

• 1:59:27Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, a lot of preparation.

• 1:59:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of preparation, and there's a lot of time you have to spend alone, thinking. And then you have to spend a lot of time bullshitting with your friends, cause sometimes, like, the green room conversations, some of us, like Brian Simpson said something the other day, and we're like, write that down, write that down.

• 1:59:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's great.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  We force each other, like, right, dude, that's a bit, that's a hundred percent a bit. And he started doing it on stage, and it's killing. Like, that happens too, and it's like, the camaraderie and the fun of like, being together, like, it brews comedy.

• 1:59:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  But you also need time in front of the fucking computer or the notebook, you need, you need to be sitting there, going over your stuff. If you don't do that, you're not gonna come up with new material, and then you have to try it out, and you have to be willing to like, trot it out there. You have this idea, it's only existed in your head, and you're kind of convinced that there's something there, but you're not totally sure, you're like, what do you think about this? And you just throw it out there, and sometimes it's great. And it's like fifty-fifty, sometimes it's dogshit. And by, it's fifty-fifty to what I bring to the stage, whether it's even got life, but writing it down, it's like, not even, it's like, you know, it's like the Canadian healthcare system, for maid, it's like, one, one out of twenty, one out of twenty is any good.

• 2:00:41Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just really, no, I think it's, well, I, I totally appreciate, uh, what you're saying, but it's very, I mean, to me, it seems the ultimate, um- You're just putting yourself out there.

• 2:00:53Speaker 01

  You're definitely putting yourself out there, but you're also doing it this way, too. Like, when you're having conversations, maybe you're putting yourself out there even more. Because you're actually putting out your opinions and some of them, you had no idea you were gonna discuss.

• 2:01:07Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  So you're just trotting it out there, thinking out loud in front of millions of people, like we're doing right now. When you're doing stand-up, like, I know these, by the time anyone sees me perform at a club where they're paying money, mo- most of those bits I've been doing. So I've been, like, I'm just trying to add to them and hone them and say them the right way and move the order around.

• 2:01:32Speaker 00

  That's why also I love about it, because, I really do love it, and that's why I've really enjoyed, like I said, Eric's really into it, and, um, just he's shown me a lot of comedians I didn't know about. And it's, I just, I love words and language anyway, you know, I've written, but in completely different, I've written books and whatever, TV scripts when I did my show, that kind of thing. So I really appreciate language, and, and I love the, just how changing the order of a word, or whatever, can just make something work or not work.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Changing the order of a word, changing the way you do, sometimes you do a jo- like Louis used to do that, where he would like reverse a joke, like turn it around, and then maybe he would like take it and do his best joke and open with it, so that his jokes afterwards had to get better, to follow his best joke. Yeah, it's a constant little fucking laboratory up there, and you need the audience in order to find the life in whatever the hell you're doing.

• 2:02:29Speaker 00

  Do you see their faces? Like, can you see, or the lights too much in your face, can you see?

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  You can see most of the first few rows.

• 2:02:37Speaker 00

  Right, because that's important, must be for them.

• 2:02:39Speaker 01

  It helps.

• 2:02:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:02:40Speaker 01

  It definitely helps.

• 2:02:40Speaker 00

  It's not just listening to the volume of laughs, is it, or, like, what is it?

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  Ah, there's both things, but obviously they're, they're there to have a good time. You've, but my job's easier, because I'm going on after they're already laughing, right? So there's been a few people on before me, everybody's having a good time, and then you're, you're basically just connecting with them, you know, you find them, what's up? How are you? You, you, you like let them get comfortable, you connect with them, and then you're just doing the material, you're just finding the reality. You, you have to be like, whatever you're saying, you have to be 100% thinking about that thing only. You can't be thinking, and then I'm gonna say it, like, no, you have to be thinking about the thing.

• 2:03:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:03:24Speaker 01

  And that's it, that's the primary thought. You know the pacing of it, you know what's coming next, but you don't think about what's coming next, you think about the thing. And that's where preparation's important, you have to make sure that you like have a set list and order, but you also have to be flexible, because there's gonna be moments where you wanna like dive out of that set order, and something might happen in the audience, or something might come up, and you have another thing, another take, and you're like, this would go better right here, so I'll shove this in here, and then you have to remember your order and go, I didn't do this, I'll put that later.

• 2:03:52Speaker 00

  It's so funny, it's, it's, it's not the same, but there's a similarity, because, you know, I do all these things, and you, and you've got bits really, which is my thing on high-speed rail. And, you know, I, and sometimes, and there's a long version of it and a short version of it.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a bit.

• 2:04:08Speaker 00

  And, and like, and then su- suddenly you'll find yourself doing it, even though I hadn't intended to.

• 2:04:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:15Speaker 00

  And then, oh, oh shit, that's like really long, and I've gotta finish, like, what am I gonna cut? So you, it's very sort of, I mean, it's not the same, but it's similar.

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  It's similar.

• 2:04:24Speaker 00

  And I definitely find-

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  Trump does bits.

• 2:04:26Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, and he, and he goes on for so, I'm never doing that long, but, um-

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Remember when he just did this impromptu bit about Biden losing himself on stage, just wandering around, not knowing where he was? It's like he's doing stand-up, like everyone's laughing.

• 2:04:39Speaker 00

  Exactly, exactly. But I find it much better, I much prefer it when you can, you're closer to the people. Like physically, when you can, you're not on some stage, miles away, you know, that kind of-

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, comedy club's the way to do it, that's the real way. However, there's something very intimate about doing, um, an arena in the round.

• 2:05:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  So I've done a bunch of those, where you're standing on a circular stage in the center of the people, and what's intimate about that is all the people over here are looking at all the people over here. Everybody sees everybody. You see each other, it's the right way to do it. Because that way, everybody's seeing everybody else having fun, and they're a lot closer than you think they are, they're all right there. There's a lot of them, but it all, the comedy like sprays out to the outer edges. But the center hive all around the stage, which is thousands of people in a 16,000-seat arena, you're looking in the eyes of 6,000 people, plus.

• 2:05:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  And they're, and it's like they're all seeing each other, it's very intimate, oddly.

• 2:05:44Speaker 00

  Great.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Like, it's fun, as opposed to like, uh, a, a big arena when you're standing on a very high stage and the people are all out there, that feels crazy.

• 2:05:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:05:55Speaker 01

  That feels very detached, that's, that's a different, that's not my favorite, that's my least favorite. Is an arena where it's just a flat stage and you're not like surrounded by them.

• 2:06:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I, I agree. It feels like you're just delivering something rather than connecting.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  Exactly, but a theater can be pretty intimate, too. Like, especially when you're used to doing arenas, if I do like a 3,000-seat theater, it's, it's kinda intimate. It's like, it's all what you're comfortable with, too, that's a part of it, too. It's like, are you comfortable with all these people staring at you?

• 2:06:27Speaker 00

  Well, I never, you see, that's the weird thing, I would never have, suddenly I'm do- I've never done it before.

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:06:34Speaker 00

  And suddenly you have all these, you know, and it's ama- I mean, I love the response, but it's, it is weird, because I've gone from nothing to this, and you go in a room, there's like hundreds of people like cheering.

• 2:06:45Speaker 01

  What's the biggest crowd you've had to speak in front of?

• 2:06:48Speaker 00

  Probably, well, probably when I did Megyn Kelly's show, when Megyn Kelly was here. Um, not here, in California, and, um, I did, I did a spot there.

• 2:06:58Speaker 01

  I did the announcements-

• 2:07:00Speaker 00

  It was in, um, an arena in Bakersfield.

• 2:07:03Speaker 01

  The announcement for, uh, the UFC weigh-ins, so the, I, I emceed the weigh-ins, uh, at the Ellipse on the White House.

• 2:07:11Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:07:12Speaker 01

  So it was 80,000 people, that was fucking nuts. That was the most people I've ever talked to.

• 2:07:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  And that was a very different way of talking, because all I'm doing is reading people's names in their official weight, it's very easy.

• 2:07:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:26Speaker 01

  You know, it's just hyping it up, getting everybody pumped up.

• 2:07:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  You know, you know, like, ladies and gentlemen, Ilya Topuria, and it comes out, and everybody goes crazy. It's easy, but it's, the vibe, the feeling of 80,000 people is fucking nuts.

• 2:07:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:39Speaker 01

  It's a weird feeling, you know? Shane Gillis, my buddy, just did stand-up. He sold 76,000 tickets. Yeah. Fill a fucking football stadium. That had to be insanity.

• 2:07:53Speaker 00

  Well, you could do that easy if you wanted to.

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  It's, it's-

• 2:07:55Speaker 00

  You'd get the people.

• 2:07:56Speaker 01

  It's a crazy thing to do, I don't know if I could do that easy, it's not easy, he broke the world record. Like, and Shane's huge, and he's really funny, he's like one of the funniest guys.

• 2:08:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a good example, I'd never seen him before.

• 2:08:07Speaker 01

  Maybe I'd get him to come down tonight, I don't know if he's there.

• 2:08:09Speaker 00

  He did the Fox News dad one, that was the first thing.

• 2:08:12Speaker 01

  Oh, he's got so many good bits. Have you ever seen his bit about George Washington's museum?

• 2:08:16Speaker 00

  I don't think so.

• 2:08:16Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, it's one of my, oh, I would request it from him all the time, like, please do that bit. It's so funny about George Washington's false teeth being made out of lead, it's, it's such, because they were, it's such a crazy bit, it's so good. He's, he's a great comedian.

• 2:08:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08:33Speaker 01

  And that's all he cares about, that's what he loves, and he's like all in, and just an awesome guy, too. When you're around him, he's just so fun, and like, everyone always smiles, you're around him, he's have, he's, he's like, he's contagious, you know, he's a contagious party.

• 2:08:48Speaker 00

  Great.

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  Fun guy, but like, we're really lucky that there's a lot of those guys here now, you know, this is like, this is a giant hive of them now.

• 2:08:57Speaker 00

  Well, you've built that.

• 2:08:58Speaker 01

  Well, we all did, you know, we all came-

• 2:09:00Speaker 00

  No, I hear what you're saying, that they contributed, but-

• 2:09:03Speaker 01

  Well, we are, they had to be here for me to be able to do it. It's not a thing that I could have ever done and said, hey, everybody move here now. It's not, it would have never worked, they had to already be here. Everybody moved here before I even had a club, a lot of them did.

• 2:09:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, like Segura moved here before I had a club, Duncan moved-

• 2:09:20Speaker 00

  Was that a pandemic thing?

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:09:21Speaker 00

  Like getting out of places with ridiculous?

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, getting out of places and going to a place where you can actually perform. We're all addicts, you know, stand-up comedy is a very, very addictive thing. And if there's a place where you can go, where you can do it, and your friends already live there, and for me, it was Ron White. And it was also, there's a thing about the freeness of this city, like, the freeness of Texas, the freedom that you had here to, to be able to go to a restaurant, your businesses could stay open, they didn't put the same kind of restrictions. They had a small lockdown for a short amount of time, and they went, okay, let's get back to work, and they did. And California's like, we're gonna die! And they fucking, there's people still driving around their cars with masks on.

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  I know, it's so crazy. I remember, it's so funny thinking about, because all this, I was reminded of all this, because of the Fauci stuff the other day.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Fauci stuff, it's wild.

• 2:10:15Speaker 00

  Because I was really, honestly, I mean, I'm, you know, I did this show on Fox News, I'm, would never say I'm a journalist, right, ever. Um, it was an opinion show, I just said what I thought. But I did do some, I, like, one piece of journalism, like actual journalism, which is the Fauci stuff. It's infuri- you know, the origin of the virus, I really did, you know, lay that all out in a way that no one else did, because I had these people I knew at Stanford, I taught at Stanford. So a lot of that information about Fauci, and the origin and the, all of that, I had, and, and people helped me piece it together. And it's just infuriating that he's still skating.

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  Well, the most infuriating to me thing was that he knew about the miscarriages during the first trimester. He knew about that, and, uh, he was still promoting it for pregnant women. Like, how many women listened to him and got vaccinated and then had a miscarriage? I mean, we don't even know what the numbers are, right, because those are never reported as vaccine injuries. We have no idea.

• 2:11:15Speaker 00

  It's just infuri- I mean, I was listening to, who did you have on the other week? Um, that lady who wrote the book, you got into with her, she had a book you're talking about, I can't remember. She's like an investigative-

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  Annie Jacobson?

• 2:11:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:28Speaker 01

  She, about the, uh, germ warfare, about biological warfare?

• 2:11:32Speaker 00

  So I was just listening to that, and then I did, like you're talking about-

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  We didn't really get into it, like, we didn't argue.

• 2:11:37Speaker 00

  Little bit, on the, just on the origins and the, and the gain of function and all of that.

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  Oh. Well, she just probably was trying to be politically correct and probably not.

• 2:11:45Speaker 00

  Well, anyway.

• 2:11:46Speaker 01

  Still trying to sell books or something.

• 2:11:47Speaker 00

  I don't know. All I remember thinking is I wanted to is that it's still not, I don't think, understood how directly Fauci was implicated. Like, it's still, you hear this language of, oh, he, you know, he funded the gain of, he, no, he, in, he pushed it. This was his thing.

• 2:12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:10Speaker 00

  He really, really was the main global champion of gain of function.

• 2:12:15Speaker 01

  Not only that, he enforced the narrative that this was not a lab leak and that a lab, talking about it as a lab leak was racist.

• 2:12:23Speaker 00

  Yes. He, the thing that, I remember when I first laid that out, and it was, you know, it's still on the, on my Wikipedia, I pushed the conspiracy theory that, you know, Fauci did the virus, but he did, that, I always try and show people, like, when they say, well, why would he do something like that? He was really the main advocate. There's a piece he wrote, I would start with this, which is, I think it's December 2011, because gain of function had been around a few years. They started with the ferrets or whatever, and they had this new technique, Ralph Baric and all of that.

• 2:13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:01Speaker 00

  And then it became very controversial in the scientific community. You had a whole bunch of scientists saying, this is crazy. This is gonna lead to a pandemic. You had people saying that.

• 2:13:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:12Speaker 00

  And Fauci argued back, and he wrote this piece at the end of 2011, with the other guy, Francis Collins, who ran the NIH, saying that engineering, I think it's almost an exact, engineering a potentially dangerous virus in the laboratory is a risk worth taking. He wrote that. Like, he was pushing this stuff. And like, the thing that everyone,

• 2:13:37Speaker 00

  it was his initiative. It wasn't, he's like, passively funded this thing that some other minions were doing. This was his big thing.

• 2:13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:47Speaker 00

  It's just outrageous that it hasn't been, and he broke the rules. That's the other part that, that people forget. That Obama, in 2014, put a moratorium on it.

• 2:13:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:13:58Speaker 00

  Which included stuff that was already in train, which included the project that led to COVID. And then again, people often say, well, Trump lifted the moratorium. He did, but he put back a new thing, which was, it was called the potential pandemic pathogens thing, protocol, which said that when you renew a project, it should go to independent review. He broke that as well. So he broke the rules to push this. And he's like, still not really had to pay any price for it, unless you say his reputation.

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• 2:17:06Speaker 00

  Fine.

• 2:17:06Speaker 01

  And then, when you have a pardon, you're not supposed to be able to plead the fifth. And yet he pleads the fifth with everything, including the color of his fucking tie.

• 2:17:15Speaker 00

  It's just disgusting.

• 2:17:17Speaker 01

  He's a strange guy. And the fact that he was a hero really shows how sick people were in 2020, looking for some sort of a solution. They didn't know his history. They didn't know what he did during the AIDS crisis. He's a scary person. He scares me.

• 2:17:33Speaker 00

  And the arrogance of it. And the thing that I'm also really, get really pissed off about still, is when you hear the conversation around this, on that going back now to the lockdowns and all of that, and the school closures, that was such a disaster, businesses, churches. And people say, well, we didn't really know, and it was early, and we were just being, we did know. It's not true. I did a piece, March 2020, like, right, it was in the, before the end of 15 days to slow the spread, right at the beginning, because I got to know through Stanford, Jay Bhattacharya, John Ioannidis, all these guys that were speaking out. They did a blood, what they would call it, seroprevalence thing in Santa Clara County,

• 2:18:15Speaker 00

  where this whole thing started, proving everything that we now knew. And including what Fauci, now we know from the, whatever, his diary, knew as well.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  Those Santa Clara County, is this the two doctors that, they went public with this, and then they lost their license, and they were shamed?

• 2:18:33Speaker 00

  This is different. This is Jay and John Ioannidis. They were the, so Ioannidis was...

• 2:18:39Speaker 01

  Well, I know about Jay. And then, and the crazy thing about him was that he was one of the people that was kicked off of Twitter, correct?

• 2:18:46Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is...

• 2:18:48Speaker 00

  And worse than that, kicked out, really persecuted by Stanford. They need to be held accountable. That was a crazy thing. So the first lockdown in the country was Santa Clara County, in one of the Bay Area counties. Then the next day, the other Bay Area counties did it, and then after that Gavin did statewide. That's where it started. And the woman who pushed it was the public health, God, I haven't talked about this for ages, the public health director, or whatever, of Santa Clara County, Sarah Cody. And she was married to the head of Stanford Medicine. And Jay spoke out against what was going on with actual data. They did a study of what was happening in the community

• 2:19:31Speaker 00

  that proved that the case fatality rate was far lower than what they're saying.

• 2:19:37Speaker 01

  Well, it was also in the leaked emails.

• 2:19:39Speaker 00

  All of this.

• 2:19:40Speaker 01

  He was aware that it was far lower, and he was still promoting it.

• 2:19:43Speaker 00

  Exactly. But the point is that this, it's, again, corruption, because he was speaking out against the lockdowns that were pushed by this woman, Sarah Cody. Her husband, who was head of Stanford Medicine, persecuted Jay. He was treated so badly. They suspended him. They accused him of, they had some bullshit investigation into him. Outrageous. That, no one's ever done anything about that, as far as I can tell, with Stanford.

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's creepy to watch that top-down power in action when you know that they're lying. And when you're seeing these text messages and emails, yeah. The Fauci thing is very creepy. It just shows you why he was pushing for that pardon. But then there's the question of whether or not that pardon's even legitimate, because it's all auto-pen stuff.

• 2:20:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  And Biden was out of his fucking mind. Like, it...

• 2:20:33Speaker 00

  I know. Well, the thing I always think is also this, the state levels, it's a federal pardon. So states are gonna, but then there's this immunity, if you're doing stuff in your public role, you can't be sued for that or something. I don't know.

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I mean, he lives in hell. I mean, he knows. But I think he's a bit of a sociopath. I think there's something about him. Like, when he was prescribing people AZT for AIDS, he's a doctor. He's well aware that AZT was pulled as a cancer medication because it was killing people quicker than cancer. They were using it as chemotherapy, and people were dying faster. And so they already had this FDA-approved drug. And so this new gay cancer, I mean, they literally were calling it the gay cancer at first. They just started giving it to them. Like, well, we have a medication for it. And then Fauci's on record saying, the reason why we prescribe AZT is because it's the only medicine that's both safe and effective. Effective at what? Effective killing asymptomatic people? They were also using

• 2:21:34Speaker 01

  the same playbook that they used during COVID by using these testing methods that had an enormous amount of false positives. Like, Kerry Mullis himself was, there's a video of him. He's the guy who invented PCR testing. He's talking about Fauci. Fauci doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's like, he's a bureaucrat. The guy's full of shit. He doesn't know that you should never use a PCR to determine whether or not someone is ill. He's like, it's not how it works. Because if you ramp up the cycles enough, you could find anything. And that's what they did during COVID. They felt like it's 80-something percent false positives. Fortunately, a lot of those people weren't forced to take AZT. But there's a lot of people that turned positive for HIV that probably didn't have it at all. They gave them AZT, and they were fucking dead. And this is the, he's

• 2:22:19Speaker 01

  the villain in The Taoist Buyers Club, that movie with Matthew McConaughey. That's all about people who have AIDS seeking alternative treatments and being denied them, because he was trying to find a vaccine for it, even back then. They were testing the vaccine for it on fucking foster kids and killing them in New York. It's all in RFK Junior's book. And again, if his books lies, how come he hasn't been sued?

• 2:22:46Speaker 00

  It's really amazing. How it's they're able to get away with stuff that's truly evil.

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  Truly evil, yeah.

• 2:22:57Speaker 00

  I mean.

• 2:22:57Speaker 01

  Testing the AIDS vaccine on whole on foster kids is crazy. And them dying, it's crazy.

• 2:23:05Speaker 00

  But this.

• 2:23:07Speaker 01

  The AZT thing is crazy.

• 2:23:08Speaker 00

  I don't know what how, you know, what determines. You know, when so the the sort of the media mindset towards something or whatever that means that this story gets attention and and massive.

• 2:23:26Speaker 01

  Oh, it's really simple. It's really simple. Pharmaceutical drug commercials, all that would change if they're not allowed to advertise. We're one of two countries in the fucking world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on television. One of them is New Zealand and they're far more restrictive than us. And because of that, you look, you have ads that you see that are playing on CNN that are not even for a drug that's commonly used for some weird condition that very few people have.

• 2:23:53Speaker 00

  And you know, persuade you, you've got the condition.

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  That's so what they're really doing is not selling drugs. What they're really doing is making sure that CNN does never talk shit about the pharmaceutical drug companies and doesn't do any stories on the adverse side effects and doesn't do any stories about how many of them get pulled by the FDA that initially get approved and they find such horrific side effects, they have to pull them because it's a large percentage. It's fucking nuts, man. And it's, who was it that brought it up that was explaining how? You know, he had figured out a long time ago that the the reason why they spend so much money on advertising is not because they're trying to sell drugs. They're trying to buy these networks.

• 2:24:33Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 2:24:33Speaker 01

  What makes sense. It's an enormous part of their ad budget, right? And they spend so much money on television and who the fuck is watching CNN at this stage of the game, you know? What are their numbers? Their numbers are pretty piss poor.

• 2:24:45Speaker 00

  They are.

• 2:24:45Speaker 01

  For the amount of money that these drug companies are spending. And then you see so many ads, so many for this, and everyone's always at a barbecue. They're always.

• 2:24:57Speaker 00

  I know.

• 2:24:57Speaker 01

  They're always having fun.

• 2:24:58Speaker 00

  They're having fun and like it's it's there was a brilliant parody that Nicole Shanahan did when she was with Bobby running, she did a brilliant one for TDS. Do you suffer from TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome? She did like a pharma ad.

• 2:25:14Speaker 01

  Oh, that's funny.

• 2:25:14Speaker 00

  It was really, really great. That's so crazy. But the thing I was thinking of when you like the, you know, where you got really dark human consequences. So like, you know, obviously I'm focused on it because he's my opponent. But the the story of Becerra and the kids, the migrant kids, is a story that I bring it up to people and a lot of people have never heard about it, like literally no idea.

• 2:25:37Speaker 01

  What is the story?

• 2:25:38Speaker 00

  When he he was Bob, he had job Bobby's job and Bobby can his job HHS secretary. And you had, it was during the four years you had the open border and the way it works is that had millions of people coming across the open border. We don't know exactly how many, but the kid, unaccompanied kids are the responsibility of HHS. That's how the system works. So he was responsible for them. And the total number we know because it's recorded, four hundred and seventy nine thousand kids.

• 2:26:09Speaker 01

  Unaccompanied.

• 2:26:10Speaker 00

  Unaccompanied, kids without parents. It's an amazing number in the four years of the Biden administration. All of those kids were my Javier Becerra's responsibility. So they had, they were overwhelmed. They set up these camps. Do you not know any of this?

• 2:26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's okay.

• 2:26:27Speaker 00

  They have, they have these camps they set up to process the kids in Florida, Texas, there are three in California. And the point was to try and get the kids to a safe sponsor, relative, someone who'd look after them. And they had so many, they were overwhelmed. And there's really bad stuff going on in the camps. There were reports of sexual abuse, the older kids, you know, some of the older kids were like, you know, seventeen year old, rough, you know, some were gang members, whatever. So there was all this shit going on in the camps, sexual abuse, physical abuse. It was bad. And it was like pictures of, you know, like we went to one, then Pomona, one of the exhibition halls, like a hundred and fifty kids on cots.

• 2:27:12Speaker 00

  It's bad. And so Becerra wants these kids out because it looks bad and they'd gone on and on about kids in cages with Trump. And so he basically, and we've now got these whistleblowers coming forward and the New York Times reported it, the New York Times broke this story, but it's just basically not gone anywhere. They did it in twenty twenty three. The he dismantled the vetting that was supposed to put the kids with a safe place. And so they lost track of thousands of kids and many went to child sex traffickers, slave labor, child labor traffickers, just horrific stories. You had.

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  And what was the rationale for?

• 2:27:57Speaker 00

  Because they were too, they weren't moving them out of the camps quickly enough. So we had a whistleblower come to us because these people said, how can he be governor?

• 2:28:08Speaker 00

  Who said, we were supposed to connect the kids with the responsible adult, check their identity, ID checks, home visits, all this. But the the instruction was it's going too slowly. We got to get the kids out. She said, speed over safety. And so when they raised flags about it, like two hundred kids sent to an address that turned out to be a container lot, like not a real address, it was just a front for traffickers. A kid sent to a woman who was an wanted by Interpol, like a gang member, like just crazy sort of, when they raised those stories, they were fired. Like, it's really terrible what happened.

• 2:28:54Speaker 00

  And still there, I mean, HHS just published some, because they were still responsible, numbers from, I think it was two weeks ago, that there's three hundred and thirty thousand that they're still missing. They don't know where they are. Forty kids died, like, it's really bad. And yet, it's like Fauci is like, he's the candidate for governor. No one's really.

• 2:29:18Speaker 00

  Calling him out on it. It's amazing to me.

• 2:29:23Speaker 00

  It's really bad, Joe, honestly, you've got.

• 2:29:25Speaker 01

  That is crazy.

• 2:29:26Speaker 00

  You've got a girl.

• 2:29:27Speaker 01

  Be responsible for that many kids and say, s- speed over safety.

• 2:29:31Speaker 00

  So there there's a story, again, whistleblower, we've put about the videos, I mean, some people, you know, this woman said she was a caseworker at Pomona and Becerra actually visited that camp, visited, did a photo, whatever, and he's going on about how we're doing a good job of finding safe places, whatever. And then the interviewer, I was at the taping, it was, she didn't, she's in a job where she doesn't want retaliation. So I was there for the two hours, we taped the conversation and the interviewer asks her, did anything change after Becerra's visit? She said, yeah, everything was had to speed up.

• 2:30:13Speaker 00

  And they had strike teams that were set up to tell us, don't check the, you know, when she would say, this ID is obviously a fake ID for this person, like the photos, like a selfie, it's obviously fake. Don't worry, just send them quick, get them out.

• 2:30:28Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:30:29Speaker 00

  And and this, even the the New York Times story had a boy who, she had a few examples because she tracked them down. She won a Pulitzer Prize for it. A kid who ended up in a, I don't know, meatpacking plant, thirteen, fourteen year old, had his arm ripped off in an accident. Our our girl, one of those, she came forward as a whistleblower, she a victim, she was on camera. She said, you know, she's telling the story. She was like put on a plane and they said, you know, what happens? They didn't let her take her stuff. She was met at the other end, she said, there's a, there's three guys. They pick, she has no idea who these people are. She's from, I think Guatemala, it was El Salvador.

• 2:31:16Speaker 00

  Gets in a car with three guys, no idea, taken to a house, she has to work twenty hours a day, sleep on the floor with four guys in a room. She's a girl from, you know, it's just, and there's so many of these stories.

• 2:31:33Speaker 00

  Bobby, the way Bobby puts it is that Becerra turned HHS into the largest child trafficking operation in history.

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  Holy fuck.

• 2:31:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:31:46Speaker 01

  And this guy's running for governor of Cal- California?

• 2:31:49Speaker 00

  I remember honestly, Joe, like when we did these debates, you know, you, we did a lot and not just debates, but forums and you meet. And I thought he's a nice, you know, I'd see him, we'd chat backstage or whatever. And I thought, you know, he's kind of nothing, he's a bureaucrat type person, nice guy, perfectly nice, smiley, he's a nice, amiable guy. And I just thought he's like an amiable nonentity. But the more you learn about this, it's like really bad. Because it's a classic thing with these career politicians. Obviously, all that mattered was, I don't want to look bad.

• 2:32:31Speaker 00

  I don't, we've got all these kids, they're in these camps, the media has access to them, it's really look making me look bad. Get these kids out. It's just shocking.

• 2:32:42Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 2:32:43Speaker 00

  It's shocking.

• 2:32:44Speaker 01

  That's so evil.

• 2:32:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is.

• 2:32:47Speaker 01

  So and it's also really racist.

• 2:32:50Speaker 00

  All of them were Latino kids.

• 2:32:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you think about it, if that was all kids from Norway, little young boys and girls from Norway, do you think they would treat them the same way?

• 2:32:59Speaker 00

  So Pomona, where this camp was, there were three in California, Long Beach, San Diego and Pomona. So the caseworker who who did the whistle, she was, she said.

• 2:33:12Speaker 00

  There's a notorious child sex trafficking street area near that.

• 2:33:20Speaker 00

  She said, before this, most of the girls were African American, black girls. After the camp, suddenly it was all Latina girls. Like, it was just so obvious that that was what was happening.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  God, that's so sick.

• 2:33:39Speaker 00

  Sex trafficking.

• 2:33:40Speaker 01

  Well, if if there's child sex traffickers and there's such an obvious vulnerability, like hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied kids making it across the border, of course, they're going to sneak in.

• 2:33:53Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  The whole thing was insane.

• 2:33:55Speaker 00

  Can I just add one other thing? The boy.

• 2:33:59Speaker 00

  I mean, they took away their, they had these papers that they would send them off with. And it had a line, that's information on it, which included a hotline that they set up. If the kids felt they were in danger, it took on a trafficking hotline. There were sixty five thousand unanswered calls to the hotline. It was just a bullshit like thing that didn't work. And again, the people who pointed that out were fired.

• 2:34:31Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:34:31Speaker 00

  It's really bad. It's like to me.

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  The people that pointed it out were fired.

• 2:34:36Speaker 00

  It's just, this is to me, I've, you know, I've been in and around politics, media, government, one way or another, for a long time. I've never seen anything like this. And, and he's like.

• 2:34:47Speaker 01

  It doesn't even seem like it could be real.

• 2:34:49Speaker 00

  That's what I thought.

• 2:34:50Speaker 01

  The numbers are so crazy. It seems like some sort of a conspiracy theory that's easily disproven.

• 2:34:55Speaker 00

  Exactly. Well, in the first reporting of it was the New York Times, twenty twenty three.

• 2:35:03Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 2:35:04Speaker 00

  And, and, and, but everything that's coming out is it's worse even than that.

• 2:35:09Speaker 01

  What do you think was going on with the whole open border?

• 2:35:15Speaker 00

  I think that they, it's, I, I, I think they believed that any kind of restriction on immigration was racist. And therefore, it was part of the ideology around that. That we can't put, people are coming and they're fleeing bad conditions. And you can't stop them because it's racist to put restrictions on immigration. I think that's what it was mainly.

• 2:35:44Speaker 01

  Okay, so that is a great way to justify flying people into swing states. And then trying to turn them into citizens, which is what they were actively talking about doing. Pelosi talked about that. Schumer talked about that. They talk about getting these people citizenship, which means those people can vote. There's also moving them into these swing states. And if you move them into the swing states, the census doesn't count whether or not you're a citizen. The census counts whether or not you're a human being. And so it changes the number of congressional seats that are available. So there's that. And then there's also putting these people on free healthcare and giving them money and setting them up.

• 2:36:25Speaker 01

  And then if you can get those people to vote eventually, you've got a built in voter. And you could change like.

• 2:36:31Speaker 00

  So I never, I don't know about that.

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  Whatever million people got in over the last four years, they're not going to vote for Trump. How many, if you can make those people vote, if you can let those people vote, how many of those people are going to vote for the Republicans that wanted to get rid of them with ICE? And how many of them are going to vote for the Democrats that wanted to fund them and help them get across the border? It's pretty simple. Even if you don't get all of them, you're going to get most of them.

• 2:36:56Speaker 00

  Do you think that, I mean, I, I hear that often.

• 2:36:58Speaker 01

  This is what Elon thinks.

• 2:37:00Speaker 00

  It seems to me that's so dark and cynical.

• 2:37:02Speaker 01

  Well, if they wanted to do the whole country what they've done to California and have complete and total control with one party, well, they've already done it in a state. Why not just implement it through the entire country? In California, you can't show ID to vote.

• 2:37:17Speaker 00

  It's illegal.

• 2:37:18Speaker 01

  That, why would you do that? Why would you do that? There's only one reason.

• 2:37:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:23Speaker 01

  You want to cheat. It's the only reason.

• 2:37:25Speaker 00

  And we've got voter ID on the ballot in November in California.

• 2:37:29Speaker 01

  Which is crazy that you have to ask for that.

• 2:37:31Speaker 00

  Exactly. And the Attorney General of, this guy Bonta, I don't know if you've been following, he's doing the Paramount lawsuit. He's like a total political hack. All he ever does, like we got out of control crime and all this shit. All he does, and the same with, by the way, Becerra, my, I keep coming, he's my opponent. He was Attorney General of California, appointed. He didn't get elected. All he talks about in terms of his record, and he was Attorney during the time when crime exploded, is how many times he sued Trump. But this guy Bonta now, there was this ballot initiative, there is a ballot initiative on November for voter ID.

• 2:38:14Speaker 00

  He just changed the description. Did you see this?

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:38:18Speaker 00

  So it had a kind of accurate description of what it was. You know, this measure, you know, on the ballot and the voter information. This measure will require people to show ID, blah, blah, blah. Uh, and that was approved by the whole system. And just in time before they start printing them, he, because it's the Attorney General who decides, changed it to say, like, the most negative possible thing. This, I mean, I haven't got the exact words, you can find it, but it was like, this measure prohibits voting unless you have, and it goes on to make it sound really, it's like, it's so cynical. This is just what they do.

• 2:39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, they weren't trying to get people to look at it in terms of, look at it through their ideological lens, rather than through a practical lens. But it's also like, it's so crazy that you have to have ID for almost everything else.

• 2:39:14Speaker 00

  It's crazy. And they say, oh, it's so discriminatory. Like, what are you talking, that's racist.

• 2:39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, what about driving a car? You have to have a license to drive a car. What about, you know?

• 2:39:24Speaker 00

  Check into a hotel. I mean, every night, I'm at a different Hampton Inn. That's where we stay. ID.

• 2:39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to show ID to buy booze. It's like, ID's everywhere. It's normal. It's like, we need to know that you're real.

• 2:39:40Speaker 00

  It's a very, when you watch them defend their opposition to it, it really, I mean, I'm generally not a, you know, I, I really do try and see the best. You know, that's just their ideology, whatever, then it's not really cynical. But when you see the way they wriggle and squirm over voter ID, it's like, what other explanation is there?

• 2:40:03Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:40:03Speaker 00

  It really, it's such a ridiculous thing to be opposed to.

• 2:40:07Speaker 01

  It's pretty clear. It's pretty clear that there's an advantage. And the advantage is definitely on the side of the Democrats, the voter ID advantage. It's a, it's just, it's just crazy. It's just, it's just, we have lost our fucking collective minds. Uh, and, you know, it doesn't help when, you know, this administration is in this war with Iran that makes no fucking sense whatsoever. And everybody's like, oh, so you look at that, like, it just builds up the other side's argument.

• 2:40:37Speaker 00

  Well, that's what they say, so it's okay.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  No matter what.

• 2:40:40Speaker 00

  Perfect example. Um, massive thing in California for everyone is just, is gas prices, highest in the country by far. Um, higher than Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, even though we have abundant oil reserves in California. It's like so insane. They're literally shipping in, they're shutting down California oil production, shipping it in from halfway around the world, like eighty percent now shipped from Iraq and the Amazon rainforest. Like Gavin goes to the Amazon rainforest to the climate conference to lecture everyone about climate. Because of his climate policies, in, oil drilling in the Amazon is now being increased to provide California's oil.

• 2:41:25Speaker 00

  Anyway, so it's so crazy. But they do all these things, like right now. And, you know, and it's all as a direct result of, of what they've done, right? And that the gas prices are so high. And it's regular working people who are screwed, like people who drive their cars and trucks every day. For what's not the climate worries, you know, and their laptops and Marin County, do you know what I mean? Anyway, the war is now their go to response. So you make a point about gas prices, oh, it's Trump's war. And of course, it's true that the war has increased gas prices everywhere. But it's still two dollars higher in California than anywhere else.

• 2:42:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:08Speaker 00

  But it lets them off the hook.

• 2:42:11Speaker 01

  Well, it's just indicative of the same problem that you're going to have whenever a single party is running a state for that long unchecked. Just like you were talking about Hungary, or it's just like, it could be anywhere. You can fill in the blank, anywhere in the world where you get, you get power and you get complete control. And then you can just tax the fuck out of people. And then you keep increasing government, which they keep doing. It's pretty wild.

• 2:42:35Speaker 02

  Would changing this law make it cheaper or that be even harder to do?

• 2:42:39Speaker 01

  California gas because it uses unique strictly regulated clean burning boutique blend mandated by the California Air Resources Board to reduce smog and greenhouse gas emissions. Specialized fuel must be refined locally on an energy island because no pipelines connect the state to outside fuel networks. It's just more of the same.

• 2:42:59Speaker 00

  So that, this is important. So, see that California Air Resources Board, CARB, that's the main agency that, that's driving the cost of everything high when it comes to energy, gas and electric. And, and actually now your earlier question, what can you do? There's, there's basically four reasons the gas prices are high, the highest in the country. One is the gas tax, which is the highest in the country. That I can't do anything about as governor. That's the legislature. They just increased it. So you've got all these Democrats running around saying affordability. We have to do something about the affordability crisis. They just increased the gas tax in California. So just, it's so ridiculous. But that's, that's the first thing I can't do anything about directly.

• 2:43:44Speaker 00

  All the other things you can. It's partly that, is the regulations on the refinery. But it's also these hidden taxes, like you've got, um, the low carbon fuels, they all sound good. The low carbon fuel standard cap and invest, they call it the cap and invest program. That's funding high speed rail. These are basically taxes on gas that the, the energy industry is paying. Then you've got the fact that we're importing all this oil rather than producing it. So instead of producing it in California, in, in the cleanest regulated standards anywhere in the world, right? Which is what we have, because we've got all these regulations. And, and sending it in a nice pipeline, just a hundred or so miles from

• 2:44:27Speaker 00

  near Bakersfield, Kern County, to the refineries in Long Beach and Torrance. We are, what I said earlier, shipping it in, because there's, like that said, there's no pipeline from outside California. Bringing it on tankers from the number one in the Middle East is Iraq.

• 2:44:42Speaker 01

  Burning immense amounts of fuel all along the way.

• 2:44:45Speaker 00

  Because they run on bunker fuel, which is the most dirty form of oil. So they are, I'm not, this is an accurate statement. They are increasing carbon emissions in the name of climate to make it look as if they're climate warriors fighting fossil fuels.

• 2:45:04Speaker 00

  It's just.

• 2:45:06Speaker 01

  Fucking crazy.

• 2:45:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's the ideology. It's not even. It's so funny. I used to sort of talk about their climate policies. It's not even the climate policies. It's climate posturing. It's like they wanna look as if they're.

• 2:45:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:45:19Speaker 00

  Doing something.

• 2:45:19Speaker 01

  Well, it's it's a part of the ideology, like you said. It's it's a part of the doctrine, the religious doctrine that is the left. You have to say that climate change is real. Science is science. You have to say a bunch of things. Love is love. You have to say a bunch of things.

• 2:45:32Speaker 00

  Yes, in this house, it's the thing.

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:34Speaker 00

  I always said that's literally virtue signaling. It's lucky.

• 2:45:36Speaker 01

  It's not just virtue signaling. It's kind of religious doctrine.

• 2:45:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's ideology signaling. That's the accurate. It's not such a catchy phrase, but that's what it is.

• 2:45:45Speaker 01

  And it's it's kind of religious and like Marc Andreessen's talked about this. It's kind of like a cult, like the you. If you don't follow it, you are excommunicated.

• 2:45:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:45:54Speaker 01

  And.

• 2:45:54Speaker 00

  I did a conference the other day in Sacramento where I went up and there's something about it. It was. The smugness was so. I normally try and be reasonable and just, you know. Make my arguments and sort of. There was something about this. It was a kind of climate thing. Things I agree with. It was. Green energy. I'm all for that. Whatever. Great. Let's have innovation. I'm not against any of that. I am against the windmills. The insane.

• 2:46:23Speaker 01

  Oh, they're insane.

• 2:46:23Speaker 00

  Windmills like.

• 2:46:24Speaker 01

  Totally inefficient.

• 2:46:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:46:26Speaker 01

  And then they have to go into landfills. And they only last a certain amount of years. Then you have to take them down and then bury them in the earth where they never degrade.

• 2:46:33Speaker 00

  And they catch fire and it's a life.

• 2:46:35Speaker 01

  They kill birds.

• 2:46:37Speaker 00

  Wait, but have you heard, have you heard the latest, though? This is the.

• 2:46:42Speaker 00

  It's actually one of my bits. Uh, to go back to the thing, cause it's so crazy. Is the is the new plan? For windmills is offshore windmills in California. In two parts, Morro Bay off the Central Coast, Humboldt up in the north, including. Having them far out because the wind is more. But except also the ocean is deep there. So they're gonna have floating windmills. Have you heard this one?

• 2:47:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:47:10Speaker 00

  Floating and these windmills are. They're like big. They're like a thousand feet. That's the height of the Eiffel Tower, pretty much. Floating and the one of the proposals like 10,000. So 10,000 Eiffel Towers. Floating off the. It's insane. Trump's just stopped it. And now they're suing to reopen it.

• 2:47:34Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:47:36Speaker 00

  By the way.

• 2:47:36Speaker 01

  Clean energy.

• 2:47:38Speaker 00

  When we have in California today, existing. Natural gas fired power stations. Which could provide all our more than all our electricity needs today. More than all. It's like something like 300 gigawatt hours a year. We only use about 270, something like that. But they're only they're running these natural gas power stations are like 10, like 20% of their capacity. To use as backup for the windmills and for the solar farms. If you ran them at full capacity, what we've already got, you don't have to build anything. You could more than meet all our needs. But no, that's too sensible. So we have the floating windmills. And and of course, we have the highest electric bills in the country, apart from Hawaii.

• 2:48:23Speaker 00

  Double the national average. And who and the reason I got cross at this this conference. Is that they were going, you you want to. Reduce the renewable goals or something. No, I just want common sense. I'm all for it. If it makes sense, if you can make it pay, great. But the people who you're hurting with all of this is regular working people, not kind of elite people at a conference in Sacramento. Just working class people. Who are just being crushed and I see it every day and the struggle, you know, literally they they. The number one thing people say to me, it's really striking. When in all these, you know, I've I've really met a lot of people. As I said, hundreds of events, thousands and thousands of people.

• 2:49:05Speaker 00

  They say, it's not like, oh, good luck. It's like you have to win. There's like this intensity. It's really interesting.

• 2:49:13Speaker 01

  Well, because they know it's slipping away. They don't wanna move.

• 2:49:15Speaker 00

  And they're so, it's it's hard.

• 2:49:18Speaker 01

  It's gotten significantly worse over the last 10 years and they don't wanna move.

• 2:49:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it's so difficult. And the fucking story, but people just, oh. And it's not even. It's so casual and cruel. The way it's like, yeah, for our ideology. Will jack up your electric bills and your gas prices and you just have to suck it up because. We wanna make ourselves feel like we're leading on climate. That's the other thing. As I was, they were yelling at me from this conference.

• 2:49:48Speaker 00

  And I said. You tell me. What is the impact of any of this on climate change? I said, I'll give you everything you're saying about climate change. Okay? Let's I agree. Climate change, we gotta fight climate change. What is this doing? To fight climate change? What is the impact on global temperatures of any of this? And like, nothing, because the answer is zero. It has zero impact on global temperatures, which is the only thing that matters. And then someone shouts out, this is where they always go, oh, we're leading. We have to have a leadership role. We're leading. That's it. Who's following?

• 2:50:30Speaker 00

  No one, cause it's crazy. It's hurting people. All these countries are backing off it.

• 2:50:35Speaker 01

  That's the one thing that China has an advantage in is that their government and their business work like that.

• 2:50:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:41Speaker 01

  And the business works for the government and the government.

• 2:50:44Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 2:50:44Speaker 01

  Controls the businesses. It's not a good thing. But the one advantage that they have in there, they don't do anything stupid. It's just gonna lose money for virtue signaling.

• 2:50:52Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 2:50:52Speaker 01

  They open coal coal fired plants like crazy.

• 2:50:56Speaker 00

  Exactly, which are, you know. Part of the energy that's going into making the solar panels that are shipped across the ocean to make these people feel good.

• 2:51:06Speaker 00

  It's true.

• 2:51:07Speaker 01

  It is true. It's wild.

• 2:51:09Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just, wow, I can't believe.

• 2:51:11Speaker 01

  It's wild, but I mean, this is the problem with a government handling something versus the private sector. If the private sector handled it, it would have to be profitable. It would have to make sense.

• 2:51:19Speaker 00

  And they keep saying solar is really cheap, you know. I said, great. So why do we have the highest electric bills in the country, apart from Hawaii? If it's also great. I'm not again, I'm not against it. You wanna have a solar panel, a battery? That's great. You know, I'm not against any of this. But don't force it in a way that just raises the cost for regular working people.

• 2:51:39Speaker 01

  Well, California just loves to regulate. They love it. It's part of the big government.

• 2:51:44Speaker 00

  Have you seen to just.

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  The tires?

• 2:51:47Speaker 00

  The tires.

• 2:51:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:48Speaker 00

  Oh, you've seen this?

• 2:51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw it. I was gonna bring that up. Yeah.

• 2:51:53Speaker 01

  So what is the?

• 2:51:56Speaker 01

  Let's pull it up, Jamie. The new California regulations on tires, restricting the kind of tires that you can buy.

• 2:52:02Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just the keep coming.

• 2:52:04Speaker 01

  They can't help themselves.

• 2:52:05Speaker 00

  They can't. That's exactly right.

• 2:52:06Speaker 01

  They need to justify all these jobs. There's so much government.

• 2:52:10Speaker 00

  But I just wanna give you, this is a good example, which is all of these things.

• 2:52:13Speaker 01

  California regulators approved new rules limiting what replacement tires you can buy for your car. So what is the rationale behind this? Approved uh, new rules that will restrict which tires you could buy when it's time to replace them. Ananous Vogue, California Energy Commission. Voted to adopt new rules that will phase out the sale of replacement tires that don't meet certain energy efficiency standards. Ultimately about protecting consumers. I see this as a sheltering the public from higher costs in the long term.

• 2:52:43Speaker 00

  Long run.

• 2:52:43Speaker 01

  Long run, excuse me. Tire manufacturers and the commission staff are at odds over whether this will add to the cost of living in the state. It will. Both sides acknowledge this will no longer allow the sale of significant portion of the tires currently sold in California. Fucking A.

• 2:52:57Speaker 00

  Well, that's 70%.

• 2:52:59Speaker 01

  So uh, the center of this is a tires rolling resistance or how much energy a tire uses as it rolls down the road. Lower resistance means a vehicle uses less gas or electricity. New cars come with energy efficient tires, but consumers typically replace those. With higher rolling resistance tires. I wonder if that has anything to do with performance cars. So. You know, I would imagine rolling resistance. So rolling resistance, what would that mean? Does that mean friction?

• 2:53:32Speaker 00

  Yes, basically friction.

• 2:53:33Speaker 01

  So friction is traction. So you want more traction. So you're basically making people buy performance tires?

• 2:53:38Speaker 00

  No, the other way around.

• 2:53:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:53:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, the other way around.

• 2:53:41Speaker 01

  So traction is less resistance. It's more resistance. Maximum resistance is traction. So if but if they want, they will allow the sale of tires with a maximum rolling resistance of 9.1 Newtons per kiloton. Uh, it lowers it to 7.2. Starting in 2033. So yeah, it's making it less traction.

• 2:54:05Speaker 01

  That's what it's saying, right? Rolling resistance. I'm not sure what it says.

• 2:54:09Speaker 00

  What is, what they want is these-

• 2:54:11Speaker 01

  Energy efficient, ensure replacement tires sold in California are at least as energy efficient on average as the tires that come with the truck. So, my perception is that a tire with more traction would be more, more efficient.

• 2:54:26Speaker 00

  No, for driving, yeah, but not for climate.

• 2:54:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but when you go into the store to buy them, you just, most people are gonna buy the cheapest thing available. They're not gonna-

• 2:54:34Speaker 01

  Right, and the cheapest-

• 2:54:35Speaker 02

  Ask like, what's gonna save me money over ten years.

• 2:54:36Speaker 01

  The cheapest thing available would have less traction, correct?

• 2:54:37Speaker 02

  It'd just be the cheapest thing available, yeah.

• 2:54:39Speaker 01

  Right. The thing about the, the cars, like, performance tires, they don't last as long. Because there's a softer rubber. And the softer rubber grips better. And so, like, if you buy like-

• 2:54:50Speaker 00

  But that's what they want to get rid of.

• 2:54:51Speaker 01

  That's what they wanna get rid of.

• 2:54:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that, the, the-

• 2:54:53Speaker 01

  But those are the ones that have more traction. That's what I'm confused about. That would seem to be more energy efficient in terms of the use of the car.

• 2:55:00Speaker 00

  Well, that, that's what they're arguing it's for. But they are, you're gonna end up with these, these little tires that don't, I mean, all the people that wanna go off-road or whatever, that's what you can't buy.

• 2:55:11Speaker 01

  Oh, you can't buy off-road tires anymore?

• 2:55:12Speaker 00

  Seventy percent of the, of the tires are gonna be banned, that are currently sold.

• 2:55:17Speaker 01

  Seventy?

• 2:55:18Speaker 00

  Seventy percent. That was, one of the reporters at KCRA, Ashley Zavala, very, she's really on all these stories, very aggressive, she's really exposing a lot of this nonsense. And that was the, I think, her number, seventy percent.

• 2:55:31Speaker 02

  Wouldn't they just make new off-road tires, then?

• 2:55:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they wouldn't be as good.

• 2:55:35Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:55:36Speaker 01

  If-

• 2:55:37Speaker 02

  How often are you driving off-road in, you know, LA?

• 2:55:38Speaker 01

  Well, I'm not, but some people are. There's a bunch of people who love driving off-road, and they love having vehicles-

• 2:55:44Speaker 00

  Why are we doing this, when we have-

• 2:55:45Speaker 02

  Go to an off-road store and buy tires.

• 2:55:46Speaker 01

  Hold on, why he's talking?

• 2:55:47Speaker 00

  It's over, you, you've got homeless everywhere, the highest taxes in the country, businesses are leaving every single day. It's a real economic emergency. We have the highest unemployment rate in the country. We have the highest poverty rate in the country, the highest cost of living. And this is what the government's focused on. I mean, people, we gotta wake up, right? This is insane that they're focused on this. They're churning out absolute nonsense. The regulations, the bureaucracy, that's, this is totally unaccountable. This is some bureaucrat that's discovered a rule. Nancy Skinner, from Berkeley, used to represent Berkeley, um, just, found this thing in some obscure, you know, place that

• 2:56:30Speaker 00

  no one had noticed for twenty years. Suddenly, this bureaucratic agency decides to bring in this rule. Not, no input from the voters.

• 2:56:39Speaker 01

  But, here's my question. What is this impact gonna have on, like, the car market? Like, if you sell a car that has a particular type of performance tire that no longer fits-

• 2:56:52Speaker 00

  I don't know. I don't know what's-

• 2:56:54Speaker 01

  Could, could we ask perplexity? Is this referring to tires with more traction or less traction?

• 2:57:00Speaker 02

  Energy dot California dot gov, second sentence is, unfortunately, replacement tires are often, often less efficient. That's why your mileage drops the first time you replace your tires. And the efficiency gap between new car, new car tires and replacement tires means California drivers are paying nearly a billion dollars in additional fuel costs, which is-

• 2:57:19Speaker 01

  So, are these inefficient tires less expensive? Is that what it is?

• 2:57:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think I'm-

• 2:57:24Speaker 01

  Makes sense, right? So, the more expensive tires are more efficient, which means they would have better traction? Is that what it is?

• 2:57:30Speaker 02

  Uh-

• 2:57:31Speaker 01

  That makes sense, right? Because if it's, if, if the tire has less traction, that means it slips more. If it slips more, it's not as efficient. You wouldn't get as good a gas mileage.

• 2:57:41Speaker 00

  But they're, they're not, they're doing this for climate. That's what they're, they're saying, we need to lower emissions. That's what it's all about. Because of the use of the gas.

• 2:57:51Speaker 01

  The seventy percent thing is crazy. Because if you have a, it's like, it's, let's say if you buy, like, a Chevy truck, that's an off-road truck, right? That, those are not efficient tires. So, what are you gonna be able to get for them now?

• 2:58:02Speaker 00

  I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, it's just come out, so everyone's looking into this. And, and you just think-

• 2:58:08Speaker 01

  And there's no recourse?

• 2:58:09Speaker 00

  No, they've just, well, there will be when I'm there, because I'm gonna get rid of these people. Because this is going back to the question earlier.

• 2:58:15Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Okay. Benefits of the proposed regulation. Consumer savings. Proposed regulation would save nearly one billion per year in gasoline and electricity costs. Right. Uh, air quality. By reducing fuel consumed, the proposed regulation would reduce CO2 emissions by 2.0 million metric tons per year, which is the equivalent of taking 400,000 gasoline cars off California roads. Would also reduce other criteria air pollutants such as nitric oxide, uh, and particulate matter. Reduced energy demand. Proposed regulation would reduce California demand for gasoline by 141 million gallons. Also reduce demand for electricity by 0.9 terawatts per hour. Each, uh, oh, excuse me, each year.

• 2:59:00Speaker 01

  Ha. Okay. The following tires are excluded from the proposed regulation minimum performance standards. Competition tires used for motorsports, winter-type snow tires, all-season winter performance tires, used and retreaded tires, deep tread tires, uh, tires designed for ATVs or other off-road vehicles, uh, large off-road tires, uh, for use up to 99 miles an hour, motorcycle tires, temporary spare tires, uh, small tires with 13-inch nominal rim diameter, proposed, uh, limited production tires, tires sold for use on an emergency vehicle, high-load index tires, tires not capable of sustaining speeds over 50 miles

• 2:59:43Speaker 01

  per hour, and space saver tires. So, it seems like there's a lot of caveats.

• 2:59:48Speaker 00

  No, this is-

• 2:59:50Speaker 01

  Because, but, but look at that, like, that list again?

• 2:59:53Speaker 00

  Nobody believes that this is about saving money.

• 2:59:56Speaker 01

  No. It seems like they're just wanting-

• 2:59:58Speaker 00

  This is entirely their ideology for climate. This is some bullshit calculation-

• 3:00:03Speaker 01

  Is there a world where that makes sense, though? Where they're right, and it will reduce all that gasoline, and it actually will be better for everybody? And you'll force people to make better tires? And, you know, they're just, they're, they're churning out, like, low-quality tires, and this, this could be mitigated a long time ago?

• 3:00:22Speaker 00

  Well, I don't know. I think that the reaction to it is exactly the opposite, which is, here they come again.

• 3:00:28Speaker 01

  Here they come again is real. Yeah, I mean-

• 3:00:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, another thing. As I said, it's just been announced, so we, we gotta dig into it. But, I mean, it's just, to me, such a kinda crazy example of them endlessly micromanaging every, everything.

• 3:00:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, the market should decide.

• 3:00:43Speaker 00

  We've got these big, big problems.

• 3:00:45Speaker 01

  California's new tire rule could wipe out seventy percent of what's on the shelf, and Sacramento sat on the law for 23 years.

• 3:00:52Speaker 00

  Ugh.

• 3:00:55Speaker 01

  So, Sacramento did invent a new law on Monday. It finally read one, it wrote in 2003.

• 3:01:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:01:04Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just infuriating to me that this is-

• 3:01:07Speaker 01

  They love to tell you what to do. That's part of what California is.

• 3:01:11Speaker 00

  So, they did, um, so we did a thing last year. They, in the legis, remember, this is the point about, there's no checks, no one's stopping anything.

• 3:01:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:01:21Speaker 00

  In the last legislative session, last year, not even the whole year, just a few months, they passed 1,118 bills. We count, counted them, we printed them out. It was double my height. Obviously, no one's, you know, no one can read them, knew some signs, most of them, like, the vast majority, he hasn't read them. It has stuff like this in it, and no one's paying attention. And the, and the, and the corrupt system, the interest groups that want what they want from the system, they get these bills written, and then they get passed. And then here you are, 23 years later, something that's in

• 3:02:01Speaker 00

  some obscure law. That's how it all works. And the answer to the question, like, what could you do about it, is basically captured in these two things. Like, number one, all these agencies that are pushing out these rules, it's the executive branch. So, as the governor, you, you control the executive branch. You can fire the people on these boards, and you can replace them with, people with some common sense. And you can actually merge them, you can reorganize them, you could cut them back. There's a whole bunch of things you could do on the bureaucracy. Because so much of this is coming out of the bureaucracy. Secondly, you, you can veto the legislation. And the point is always made, if they have a two-thirds majority, they can overturn a veto, that's correct.

• 3:02:45Speaker 00

  But, the last time they overturned a veto from the governor was 1979. So, they don't like doing it. Because suddenly, they have to justify all this shit, that they, that goes through without any scrutiny. If you veto it, they have, they can, if they wanna overturn it, suddenly they have to make the argument. And so much of what you get in California just goes through without anyone noticing. That's the real corruption in the system.

• 3:03:11Speaker 01

  Oy.

• 3:03:13Speaker 00

  And so, the other thing I'd say is that, that you also write the budget. The governor writes the budget and send it to the legislature. And then you have to negotiate. But again, you know, if you take out all this waste, and, you know, we just announced last week, Operation Zero Waste. Cancel funding for high-speed rail. Um, cancel free healthcare for illegal immigrants. All these things that we've, that we do.

• 3:03:37Speaker 01

  How much has been spent on that high-speed rail?

• 3:03:39Speaker 00

  So far, total 15 billion.

• 3:03:42Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a bargain.

• 3:03:43Speaker 00

  So, the total-

• 3:03:44Speaker 01

  They've gotten a lot done, though, right?

• 3:03:45Speaker 00

  Okay, so, that was, so it was, suppose, it's 2008, it was supposed to be 30 billion, the total budget. And it's supposed to be open in 2020. And it was two and a half hours from San Francisco to LA. So, the latest is, it's gonna be open, maybe, if you're lucky, by the end of 2030s. It's gonna be, the new budget, from 30 billion, is now 230 billion, right? The plan, as they laughably call it, is the first bit is, is San Francisco to Merced at the top of the Central Valley, on the regular train line that's already

• 3:04:25Speaker 00

  there. And then, Merced to Bakersfield is the high-speed rail. And then, Bakersfield to LA, a bus. Bus. Have you heard that?

• 3:04:36Speaker 01

  That's real?

• 3:04:37Speaker 00

  It's real. That drive from Bakersfield to LA, which I've done a lot. It's through the great-

• 3:04:43Speaker 01

  It's already congested as fuck.

• 3:04:45Speaker 00

  Right. You can take, that can take two and a half hours.

• 3:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:48Speaker 00

  If you're unlucky. So this is what it's, and it's so crazy.

• 3:04:53Speaker 01

  Two hundred and thirty billion for that?

• 3:04:54Speaker 00

  Two hundred and thirty billion. And then Becerra, my opponent, he went to Fresno the other week. He announced that he would, that he would finish it on time and on budget.

• 3:05:05Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 3:05:06Speaker 00

  On time was six years ago.

• 3:05:10Speaker 00

  On budget, they've spent-

• 3:05:11Speaker 01

  Was a hundred and twenty million bucks ago.

• 3:05:13Speaker 00

  Okay, the total, the budget was thirty. They've spent fifteen and they've not laid any tracks at all. Gavin, it's classic Gavin, it's almost my favorite. He, he did an event, because obviously he's running for president, he doesn't, this is embarrassing. He wants to sort of shake the narrative. So he did this press conference somewhere there with trains in the background to make it look like this is a real thing. And they haven't laid any track. And there's no plans to lay any track. But he was standing by tracks to sort of, I think, make people think there's tracks. And he, but even he, the, the phrase that he used was to announce that we are now entering the track laying phase.

• 3:05:54Speaker 00

  Phase. That could be another ten years. It's so ridiculous.

• 3:05:59Speaker 01

  And then you're gonna have to get a bus.

• 3:06:00Speaker 00

  And the bus, it's real. That is the plan. And then-

• 3:06:03Speaker 01

  So why is that? Because the, just logistics? They can't get the train through the mountains?

• 3:06:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:06:09Speaker 01

  That's it?

• 3:06:10Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:06:10Speaker 01

  So you have to have a bus?

• 3:06:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, oh, they, they, I don't actually know what the long-term plan, I can't believe that's the whole idea. I think that's just what's gonna be available.

• 3:06:21Speaker 02

  It says it's just like the most tunneling has to happen on that part, so maybe they're just waiting.

• 3:06:24Speaker 00

  I think it's a long, it's not the eventual plan.

• 3:06:26Speaker 01

  So they'll dig some more tunnels?

• 3:06:28Speaker 02

  It says that would require the most tunneling of the mountain crossings with four separate tunnels totaling twenty-eight miles in length.

• 3:06:34Speaker 01

  How much of the nature-

• 3:06:36Speaker 02

  And they have to go across the San Andreas Fault, which is the biggest problem.

• 3:06:38Speaker 01

  Oh, even better, they're gonna cause an earthquake. How much of nature is gonna get destroyed in the production of that?

• 3:06:44Speaker 00

  But who even wants this? I mean-

• 3:06:45Speaker 01

  Tunneling through mountains.

• 3:06:46Speaker 00

  The, the other thing is, so I spoke to someone who's works with Elon, well, you can check with Elon. So he said that you could do the, the, you know, the boring couple, like you do a tunnel. The whole thing for five billion. Now, I don't know if that's true, but um, it's, this is such a, you know, it's such a monument to the whole thing, right?

• 3:07:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:07:07Speaker 00

  Take the money, waste it, spend it on nothing, endlessly delay-

• 3:07:13Speaker 01

  How come Gavin's not running again?

• 3:07:16Speaker 00

  He can't.

• 3:07:17Speaker 01

  He can't. Oh, he did-

• 3:07:18Speaker 00

  He's out, yeah, yeah, yeah. Two terms.

• 3:07:19Speaker 01

  Two terms.

• 3:07:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. It's so crazy. And you've got this pretend, this is what's really, there was just a video that someone found of him talking in twenty fifteen when he was lieutenant governor, about what a joke the whole thing was.

• 3:07:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:07:32Speaker 00

  On, speaking very honestly about it.

• 3:07:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:07:35Speaker 00

  And, and it's kind of funny and ridiculous. Oh, look at that, he says that, then now he says, but it's actually infuriating. Because they're still taking the money to pay for it. They're still pretending. And they're taking money out of people. The funding, like I said, comes from this thing called cap and invest, which is the gas tax.

• 3:07:57Speaker 00

  It's just insane.

• 3:07:59Speaker 01

  Steve, I hope you win. We gotta wrap this up and bring it home, but I hope you win. It'll be funny. It would be hilarious if you win.

• 3:08:06Speaker 00

  It would be great. What job do you want, Joe?

• 3:08:07Speaker 01

  I don't want a job.

• 3:08:08Speaker 00

  We'll have you do something.

• 3:08:09Speaker 01

  I don't even like going back to California.

• 3:08:11Speaker 00

  Well, okay, the only reason I'm doing it is that you've moved back.

• 3:08:14Speaker 01

  Ah, I'm never gonna move back.

• 3:08:17Speaker 00

  I know, it's too good here. I know, it's fun.

• 3:08:20Speaker 01

  I love it here.

• 3:08:20Speaker 00

  I can see that.

• 3:08:21Speaker 01

  I really hope you win.

• 3:08:22Speaker 00

  Thank you, man.

• 3:08:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you have a chance. I really do. I mean, you make, you make a lot of sense, and that's a lot in this, in this day and age. It's a lot. You're also actually a good guy. Like, I know you. You're an actual good guy. You're not like some weird lizard person. You, you know what I mean? Like, there's some fake people.

• 3:08:41Speaker 00

  Yes, I do. I've met a lot in Sacramento.

• 3:08:43Speaker 01

  You are who you are. You, you are really you. I can attest to that. I know you. Like, I've known you before. You had any political aspirations. You're the exact same person. There's a lot of these people that are just skin suits. They're skin suits over lizards. There's lizards in there. Whether metaphorically or physically, they're fucking lizard people. And that's, that's a real thing. So, I hope you win.

• 3:09:05Speaker 00

  You can come to my inauguration.

• 3:09:06Speaker 01

  I will. I'll come.

• 3:09:07Speaker 00

  Just that, just that. Commit to that.

• 3:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll come. If you win, I'll come. All right, all right, all right. Bye, everybody.

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