#2540 - Travis Barker

Travis Barker is a musician, songwriter, producer, entrepreneur, and drummer for Blink-182. He is the subject of the documentary "Travis Barker: Louder Than Fear," which premieres August 13 on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+.www.hulu.com/movie/travis-barker-louder-than-fear-fd373a84-b79f-4dc3-93e3-29a6d6d5ec95www.barkerwellness.comwww.dtarecords.comwww.famousstarsandstraps.comwww.blink182.comwww.travisbarker.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Switch today at https://www. Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN. This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  The Joe Rogan Experience.

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  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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  What's up? Good to see you, brother. What's cracking?

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  Good to be seeing you, man. Stoked to be here.

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  Stoked to have you, man. What a fucking cute kid you have, dude.

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  Thank you, thank you. He's the best, man. So blessed.

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  He loves you. Were you trying to put him down? He's like, no.

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  I think it's because I just spent, we just went to Utah and I had three or five days with him, just like a lot of time with him and he has separation anxiety from me, as I do with him. I'm like, it's the best, man.

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  And people that don't have kids, it's like you don't understand the level of love that you have for them. It's really crazy.

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  Or people who have kids and don't hang out with their kids like that. I just, I don't get it.

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  I don't get it either.

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  I'll spend every second I can with my kids.

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  Yeah, it's weird. It's weird that people, maybe it's something that happened to them when they were young or something, I don't know.

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  Yeah.

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  So what's cracking? What's the latest?

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  Uh, I mean, my doc came out today.

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  Today?

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  So, yeah. Yep. Long time coming.

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  What was that experience like?

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  Well, the beginning of it was, was shortly after my book came out. So I kind of understood why people wanted a doc from me at that point. And I was, I was honored and I was flattered and I was, you know, going down the journey of filming this doc, but it didn't really have an ending. I guess the light at the end of the tunnel during that time around 2017 was that I was sober and I survived a plane crash. But really, I was struggling with ever flying again, struggling with survivor's guilt, struggling with a lot of stuff.

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  And at the time, the directors had mentioned to me, like, can you just look at a plane or act like you're gonna go fly in a plane or walk towards a plane? I was like, fuck no, I would never, I can't even consider it. I can't even do it for you for, for like fantasy purposes for the end of this doc, you know? And I think that set in after a while where I had to acknowledge and, and, and just understand I was, I was afraid to ever fly again. And, and this thing had huge power over me to the point where it, you know, it dictated how I got on tour, how many days I'd travel on bus to New York, how many days I'd be

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  on the Queen Mary two, going to England.

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  How long would that take?

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  Oh dude, so long.

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  The England one's crazy.

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  Comfortably on the bus from here to New York, probably six or seven days if you want to stop at hotels and, you know, I toured with my kids, you know, their whole life. So stopping and doing some cool stuff for them, six, seven days and then a 10 day boat ride from, from New York to the Hamptons.

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  Fuck.

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  It's crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, my band would leave, they'd be in England in 10 hours, whatever, it would take me three weeks. Sucked. And then sometimes I'd be on the Queen Mary two and we'd have wild weather, 30 foot waves, 170 mile per hour winds. And I was like, is this any better than being on a plane? But...

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  The ocean freaks me out.

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  Yeah.

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  The big waves in particular, they freak me out.

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  Yeah, we got into a couple storms on one of the transatlantic crossings that, yeah, believe me, like something was festering inside where I, I had this urge to, to, to try to figure out what had this power over me, which was flying. And, um, yeah.

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  Well, it's totally understandable.

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  Yeah, I think about it every day after a certain point and then, plus my kids, you know, they grew up not flying. They, they grew up associating a plane to a metal container where people die, I think, you know, unfortunately, because that's what happened, you know, to my two best friends and the two pilots who were on my plane. So, yeah, it was, it was, it was hard. And then I knew the day I did it, I could show them that they could also do it and it would probably break the, the trauma and the spell that my, my accident caused however many years ago. And, yeah, I think after my accident and that whole process, I just, everything people

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  said I couldn't do after that, I would just check them off one by one. Oh, you're not gonna run again. Oh, you're not gonna play drums again. Oh, you're not, you're not gonna do this again. And, uh, and the one that I gave myself, the restriction I gave myself is I'd never fly again, you know? And I, I broke it and I fly again and...

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  How many years did it take you before you got on a plane again?

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  20. And I even think back to that, I'm like, 20 years, I lost 20 years with this thing having power over me. But it just, it was like a monster, it kept getting bigger and bigger and I was like, I gotta...

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  Well, you gotta look at it like in terms of the odds. You survived a plane crash, which is, the odds of that are astronomical. The odds of you getting in another plane crash are super low.

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  Yeah.

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  I know nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite, because you've actually experienced it, so you know what it is. Like, oh my God, this is a real possibility.

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  Yeah. I, I can see that now, because my, my son, who's 22, he doesn't love to fly and I always say, like, we just were in Utah and I took a flight, you know, uh, he ended up driving. And I was like, son, that's way more dangerous. Like fly with me, I'm never gonna put you on a plane that I think is unsafe. I'm so adamant about making sure the pilot's great, the, the plane's had maintenance, whatever else.

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  How do you check all that stuff?

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  Well, just if we're flying private, you're, you're able to like, you know, really make sure it's a great plane. Sometimes even we'll fly on like someone's plane that we know. So that makes me feel better, but yeah, he just, he just drove 16 hours round trip. I was like, son, that's way more dangerous.

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  It is.

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  But yeah, that's what I tell myself and I just gotta have faith and, um, yeah.

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  What was the first plane trip like after 20 years?

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  It was nothing like I'd imagined it. Uh, I, I made a deal with my wife and I just said, hey, if there's ever somewhere we can't go, because she was a champ, man. She was, she was on tour buses with me, she was on whatever, just, you know, going kind of close by for trips that we'd go on. And I said, if there's ever a trip that you want us to go on that I'd need to fly, just don't tell me and tell me the night before and let's leave in the morning and I'm gonna do it. So that's what it was and the flight was awesome, had contained none of the awful nightmares that I had fabricated in my head that it would be like, uh, over the years.

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  And, yeah, I, I think I just needed a positive experience to cancel out the, the last bad one that I had.

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  Yeah.

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  You know? Um, yeah, that, that helped a lot. And I think, I think also coming to terms with being so close to my godson, who was my assistant's son, who passed away in my plane crash and, uh, and his mom and Che's mom and just knowing, uh, that, that there was no, there was no hard feelings and, and the survivor's guilt I was feeling was, was my own. And to just think about them and if the roles were reversed, would they want me to really just sit around and not fly again or have this thing have power over me? Or if I was in their shoes, would I want that for them? Like, of course not.

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  Yeah, it's a, it's an experience that so few people ever have. I, I mean, I can't imagine what it's like, especially losing your friends and just the, the trauma of the actual impact, the whole thing just stuck in your head.

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  It's, yeah, I mean, to this day, I always, like, my wife's a great flyer. My band, they're all good flying, you know? I think they can, my wife can probably envision a trip, plan a trip, envision how rad it's gonna be, how cool it's gonna be doing rock climbing or whatever we're gonna do. All I can think about until I get there is like, am I gonna make it? Is, is this gonna, you know? I did this once and I almost died. So, you know, I, I had to just stop that pattern of thinking to the best of my ability. It still happens a little bit, but I still can't, I have trouble booking planes, I have trouble booking flights, um, without thinking of those things.

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  Yeah, I can only imagine. Well, it's awesome that you got through it and got over it and did it publicly so that other people can get inspiration from that.

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  Yeah.

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  And just realize like, hey, you know, maybe for them it was a car accident or a bus accident, or whatever it is, like, you can keep moving.

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  Yeah, for sure. And I, at the time, you know, AM survived with me. And then he lived for another year and passed away of a drug overdose. But during that time where, after I'd gotten out of the burn center and did most of my recovery, it was hard to find anyone who had been in a plane crash that was severely burnt, like, you know, and lost people. There was a lot of, there's a lot of groups and a lot of people that, like, support systems for people who had, were grieving and lost someone in a plane crash, you know? So it was kind of, just lonely trying to navigate, figure it out.

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  Just recently, just like a few days ago, before my doc came out, someone kept tagging me and I saw it, this, this young lady named Riva, she had a similar experience where she was in a plane crash, 50% of her body was burnt, and she lost her mom in the plane crash. I was like, this is really similar to me and I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind of the same experience. So I flew her out and she was at my premiere and it was just, it was just cool. And I said, you know, it's, it's just as cool for me to meet you as for you to meet me. Like, this is, I don't, I don't see anyone or meet anyone like you, you know?

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  Yeah.

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  So, yeah, it's, it's cool.

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  That's a very cool human experience.

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  Yeah.

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  You know, just share it with somebody and realize, like, you've both been through something pretty horrible, but you came out on the other side and found comfort in each other.

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  I think the closest thing that I came to that was right after my accident and I was out to dinner. The guy who flew the, the plane and landed in the river, remember that?

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  Sully?

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  Yeah, he came up and shook my hand at dinner. Didn't say a word to me, but I was like, oh, that's awesome, you know?

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  That's, that story's fucking crazy.

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  Dude, crazy.

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  Birds.

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  Yeah.

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  Birds took the plane down.

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  Yeah.

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  You would think they would have figured that out by now.

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  Yeah, the smallest error, you know? Insane.

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  Yeah. Flying's weird, but I prefer it over the boat.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  The boat thing in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

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  You gotta do the boat once.

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  Fuck you!

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  Queen Mary 2's a wild, there's a morgue on there too.

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  What?

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  Because, yeah, most people that are on there are 80 years old and they're doing their one transatlantic crossing.

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  And so some of them die?

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  A lot of them.

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  Oh, boy.

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  There's a lot of, I think every transatlantic crossing, because I'm on there with my crew and my, my assistant, my tour manager, it's like, yep, someone passed, you know?

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  Wow. A morgue on the boat.

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  A morgue on the boat.

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  It happens so often.

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  There's a morgue, a jail.

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  A jail?

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  Yeah, there's a jail.

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  How many people are on the Queen Mary 2?

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  Thousands.

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  Whoa.

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  Yeah, I mean, if someone pops off on the boat, they got it, you know, there's, there's police. It's legit, it's legit.

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  Wow.

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  And the whole experience, they, they almost celebrate when you're crossing the Titanic, where the Titanic sits. They're, they're like, playing the movie on the ship. They're announcing it. I was like, this is, this is just different, yeah.

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  Fuck that.

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  Yeah.

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  Oh, my god.

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  But it was, honestly, I would, I would practice all day. I would practice all day. I would run miles across the ship, just on the outside of the ship. There's a lot of cool, cool times on the boat as well.

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  Well, I'm sure.

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  You know, you usually fly to tour, you land, that's what I do now, and it's like, go. Where I would just train every day, play drums four hours a day, run two hours a day. By the time I got ready, you know, to where I was going, I'm like, I'm so ready for tour. It's like, whatever, whatever life throws at me, I'm good.

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  It's just crazy that, even the Queen Mary 2 getting across in 10 days, that's gotta be like way faster than the old boats used to do it, right?

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  I don't know, dude, you're going so slow. It doesn't even look like you're moving sometimes, you're like, are you serious? You don't see shit for 10 days.

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  Just water.

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  Mm-mm. Once in a while, you'll start seeing birds, when you know you're getting close to land, but other than that, nothing.

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  How many times have you done that trip?

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  Seven. Yeah.

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  Yeah, I think I'd rather fly, for sure. It's just, the idea of something going wrong in the middle of the ocean.

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  Yeah, I, I started to think about it. You're fucked.

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  Yeah, you're fucked.

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  There's no place to land a helicopter on there.

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  How can someone even get to you? It's the middle, it's thousands of miles out to sea.

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  Yeah. Both suck to me, right? Falling out of the sky in a plane, crashing into the ocean sucks. Also being, sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people fending for their lives sucks.

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  I've just watched too many boat videos of like them navigating insane waves that look like, like a building coming at them.

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  Dude, I was in it.

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  Yeah?

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  Yeah, we were in it. It cra, I think, I think we had, we lost a couple of windows in the ship and, and you're basically confined to your room, but huge, where you just see the boat go up and then it go crashing down and you're, you know, you're four or five days into the trip, so you still got, you're in the middle of your crossing.

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  What does that feel like?

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  Sucks.

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  You're on a giant boat with thousands of people.

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  Sucks. The internet goes out usually on the boat and you're just watching something in your room, just waiting for everything to get more calm.

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  How big were these waves?

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  I think we were in 35-foot waves.

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  Oh, oh, oh, oh.

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  Yeah.

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  Like this?

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  Yes, exactly, it looks exactly like that.

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  Yeah, this freaks me out, man.

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  Yeah.

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  It's like some, when they, this is not that bad.

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  Oh, look how much the boat's moving, though. This is the hurricane force winds, it says. Yeah, that's like choppy weather. I mean, there's positives too. We saw the northern lights from our cruise one time and it was like, I've never seen it anywhere else, but it was beautiful. It was cool.

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  Yeah, I want to make a trip to somewhere like Norway or wherever you can see it.

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  It's not like this.

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  Yeah, this is insane.

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  Yeah. I almost did that one time. I almost went on a, not a passenger ship, but a cargo ship, because I was trying to find ways to get to Australia.

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  You were gonna go to Australia by boat?

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  You know who told me about it? You know who else doesn't fly and was on the Queen Mary twice with me was KRS-One?

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  Really?

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  Yep, and he, we, he was like, I'm, I'm right there with you, Travon. I was like, did something, you know, happen to you or why, you're, you're just confined to being on ships? He's like, nah, I just don't like flying. So, him and his family actually, he had told me about the cargo ship for some of the other places that didn't have actual cruises.

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  How long is a boat ride to Australia?

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  Dude, month. I think it's a month. I mean, I never went, I never went. The plane flight is hard enough, 20-something hours, whatever it is.

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  Yeah, fuck that.

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  Uh-uh.

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  Fuck a month.

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  Mm-mm.

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  It just makes you really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people that just took off on canoes and made it across the ocean.

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  Yeah, or those wild-ass people that do it by themselves, just appear to Hawaii.

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  Yeah, there's a lot of those people, yeah. Yeah, I know a dude who just did that. But that's, I mean, the, the people back when there was no internet, back when there was no newspapers or no nothing, like the Polynesian people, that just got on boats, made it to Hawaii.

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  Insane, yeah.

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  Like, did you have, what, what was plan B?

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  Yeah.

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  What's, you know, what do you do if you're out? How, where are you getting water? How are you, how are you staying alive?

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  Yeah, I think plan B's making plan A work.

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  Yeah, that's it.

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  That's their plan B.

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  There is no plan, but how bad does life suck that you're willing to get in a boat and just hope there's some food?

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  Yeah.

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  When you land? And they didn't have big boats either.

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  Yeah.

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  So what, what the fuck were the waves like for them? Also, no, no weather app on the iPhone?

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  Yeah.

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  You have no idea what's coming.

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  True.

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  Zero idea what's waiting for you and, you know, you're with your family and you're paddling out there.

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  Yeah, it's the un, the unknown, absolute unknown.

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  And then how do you get back? Or do you, or do you just say, well, this is where we are? I mean, it must have taken months and months and months to get out there. How do they stay alive? Like, human ingenuity, like, people's ability to thrive and survive is pretty insane when pushed to the limits.

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  Yeah. Like, people, I have a friend who, who fasts half of the year. He's just drinking juice and water.

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  For six months?

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  160 days a year. He does it every year.

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  How?

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  He's chefito.

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  How much weight does he lose?

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  He's a chef, uh, he's actually a chef that took a vow of silence thirty years ago.

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  A plant-based, raw chef, and for half of the year, he doesn't eat. He just fasts. And it's more for like, health reasons, like cleansing and, and to prevent disease, whatever else.

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  But he gets really thin and then just goes back to his normal weight the second half of the year.

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  I don't know if that's good.

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  I don't know either, but uh,

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  Who told you that's good?

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  He does it every year. He might not even, he might, it might not even be good or some, he just does these things.

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  Yeah, I don't think it is.

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  Half of the year fasting.

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  Yeah, I have a hard enough time fasting a day before surgery or something, you know?

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  Well, it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's eating a lot of carbohydrates or not.

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  Yeah.

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  If you're on a ketogenic diet, it's a lot easier. Your body just immediately goes to burning fat and your, your appetite is not as strong. It's not as insane a pull, the gravity of it. But I can't even imagine why you would do that. Fast for six months, like, I think there's a lot of data that shows that fasting for three days and five days and things along those lines is good. Causes autophagy, makes your body clean out bad cells. It's very good for people that are recovering from cancer or going through cancer. It's one of the first things a lot of doctors tell you. Get on a ketogenic diet and fast, because cancer cells want glucose. That's what they want to survive, and you starve them.

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  And when your body's like on a carb, you're still on a plant-based diet. So your body's eating mostly carbohydrates all the time. So you get, you have to kind of refuel all the time. It gets used to it. So when someone like you takes a day off of food, it's like the pull of the carbohydrates, like the insulin dump. It's a lot.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I eat so much protein, though. I get so much protein from lentils, like an insane amount of protein from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not like mock meats. So, like, all, all my blood work that I do, my protein is top-notch.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Well, that's awesome.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. I've just, I've figured it out, though, too, like, there's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of junk food meat eaters, a lot of junk food vegans. It's about dialing your shit in, you know what I mean, and figuring it out.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  But even you, when you were recovering from your burns, you started eating meat?

• 24:22Speaker 03

  Well, because I had doctors that were super old school in the, in the, in the hospital with me. That figured out I wasn't eating, because they were trying to feed me a bunch of meat, and they stuck a hose down my throat. And that just sucked, so.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  They stuck a hose down your throat?

• 24:41Speaker 03

  To like, feed you like that, because I was like secretly just eating kind of like what I wanted, but not eating a bunch of the meat. Because I told them, eh, I don't, I don't really eat meat.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  So there was like a miscommunication where they just put a hose down my throat and were feeding me like that. And then during that time, my, my, one of my nurses was super cool, and he started making me bags of beef jerky. So I would eat beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that they wanted me to have. And then down, uh, peanut butter blast smoothie from, what is that? Is it RoBucks or something like that? Like, one of those, and it's 3,000 calories. So I was, I was averaging, I, I basically had a, I had a six to 7,000 calorie diet I needed to hit every day.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  Uh, in order to heal, because I had just had thirty surgeries in six months. So it was just, just trying to, to get enough.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Just, just thirty times being anesthetized for six months is fucking hard on your body.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, uh, I was so out of it, I didn't really know until towards the end, you know? But, but yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Jeez, man. Did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber?

• 26:02Speaker 03

  I couldn't do it after, you know, my, my, my, uh, my best friend that was in the accident with me, AM? He was, he was, I think six percent of his body was burnt.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  And he went in the hyperbaric, and I think he had a, a small graft on the back of his head. He was out of the hospital a week and a half. But I had 70% of my body burnt, so there was no way I was getting out of the hospital, no matter how much I did it or didn't do it. I tried doing it, and I was just in such an awful place after my, my accident, where I was, I had so much trauma with like, losing my, my best friends. And I was, I was definitely, uh, my reaction was much different than, than Adams.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  And I couldn't, I couldn't go on the small tube. There's, there was no way. I think at the time, it reminded me too much of the inside of the plane.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Really?

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. I just felt really claustrophobic and, and I was also having a hell of a time. AM was sober, sober for fifteen years when it happened. I was, I was a drug addict, you know, before my plane crash. And you take a, a person who's self-medicating, put them through thirty surgeries, give them a bunch of pain meds, and they're not working. That was me. So I was waking up every surgery, screaming, swinging on doctors.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  A complete madman, you know?

• 27:35Speaker 03

  Until, until they weaned me off and, by the, by the time I got out of there, I was,

• 27:41Speaker 03

  I never wanted to put anything in my body again and had a great relationship with all my doctors. And Dr. Grossman, who owns the Burn Center, Grossman Burn Center, it was, uh, yeah, it was full circle.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was my, that was my, that was my rehab.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Fuck, dude. That has to be, I mean, you're confined to a bed, you're stuck, they're giving you pain medications, you're going through thirty surgeries, you have 70% of your body burnt. Your friends just died, and you're in this hospital by yourself.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Huge wake-up call.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  What a fucking, what a wild ride your mind must have been going through.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, uh, you know, I was coming home from a show. I was coming home from a gig and, yeah, who would think you'd get in, get in a plane, coming home from a show and

• 28:44Speaker 03

  you're gonna end up in a burn center for six months, you know, four people are gone and 70% of your body's burnt. Takes a minute to process, you know?

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Why did they think you were never gonna be able to play the drums again?

• 28:58Speaker 03

  Well, there was a point where they were gonna amputate my foot, because they didn't think they could, they could, uh,

• 29:05Speaker 03

  they, they had enough skin left to, to heal my foot or save it. And then because of the amount of burns I had over my body, they weren't, they weren't positive I was even gonna make it. So it was like, once they knew I was out of critical condition and I was gonna make it, they were, you know, all my nerves were messed up in my hands, like my ulna nerve was shot in both hands, my hands were numb. There was a lot of, it's just the unknown, you know?

• 29:40Speaker 02

  I can only imagine. I think it sucks that you couldn't use the hyperbaric, because it definitely accelerates healing.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, even now, I, I go in, I go in sometimes now, there's a hyperbaric in Los Angeles that seats two people, and that's perfect for me. It's just like, I could stay in there for two hours and I'm fine.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  It's just a confined space thing for you?

• 30:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just don't love being in confined spaces.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't love it either, but I do it.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  But it's, I've never been through what you've been through.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  You know what the mindfuck is, is the, the time it takes to depressurize it. So even if you're like, okay, I'm done, they're like, seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever, while we depressurize it. I think that's, that's why I just feel better in the two-seater.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Fuck, dude. What, now, when you're doing this documentary, are you, does it relive all this stuff for you?

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Every time. Yeah, I was so excited to come on, on this with you, because I'm like, I'm gonna talk fights with Joe, I'm gonna talk whatever, cars, whatever.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  We could do that, man.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  But some of them have been, uh, I mean, they've all been great, but. I mean, to tell the truth, I think since I I'm not sure why, but maybe since I was a kid, you know, I lost my mom at a young age, like thirteen. Like, I could, a stranger could come up to me outside this place and be like, dude, I just lost my dad, and I'd probably start bawling, because it's sensitive to me, it like triggers something to me. So, yeah, it's like, talking about certain parts of the doc is like gutting me with a knife, you know?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Were you conflicted as to whether or not you wanted to go through with this and relive all that stuff?

• 31:21Speaker 03

  I I think I was already far past it. It was, it was, it was to the point where my doc was done in two thousand seventeen, but I'm like, there's no ending, the ending sucks, I won't look at a plane, I won't do anything. And then, fast forward, you know, that was their dream ending, just stare at a fucking plane for me, right? And I'm like, nah, you know? So, and then fast forward to now, two thousand twenty-four, or whatever it was, when I flew, or two thousand twenty-five, it was like, yo, I fly, I fly again, my kids fly, I'm married, there, like, so many things have changed, and that kind of triggered me to finish it, because there was a a huge light at the end of the tunnel now, right?

• 32:03Speaker 03

  It was like, yeah, I had this thing that had power for me for twenty years, but I fly again. And, and I, I think the other parts of the doc, like, an amazing, like, rough relationship with my dad when, when I was younger, turned into something like beautiful, where he's like my best friend.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  I wasn't, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I grew up, you know, not, we didn't even have, like, running hot water in my house. So, it wasn't like my dad was in the music industry, and my mom was an agent, it was like, nah, I fucking didn't know how I was gonna get out of where I, I grew up, and I just played every day, and I was relentless, and I joined every band, and I played with everyone, and I practiced two to five hours a day, you know? So, just even giving some kid hope, knowing that he can do the same thing, was, was like a, a big part of my documentary, that I felt like could help a lot of people.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  And then just to see me get knocked down, and, and just have to fight, you know, over and over again, when fucked up things happen to me, and just watching me have these things just make me stronger and stronger, and unbreakable, I think that's the resilience, I think that that, that is something for, for people to see.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah. Yeah, there's two great messages in there. The big one is that you can overcome, that no matter how fucked up things are, if you keep going, and if you keep, you stay positive, you do the right thing, you trust the process, at the end of it, you'll come out better.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  And then, your, the formula for success is the same formula, almost everyone has that is really awesome at something, become obsessed, become driven, and just throw everything you have in that thing, and you come out better. And you, you eventually get to where you want to be, or get to where you are. It's, it's, it's an undeniable formula, and kids need to hear that, especially kids in this world where everybody thinks everything comes quick, and everybody wants a, you know, it's a TikTok mindset, and everybody wants a pill to lose weight, and everyone wants, it's all, the process is the most important thing, and just get, become, becoming obsessed and in love with the process.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and so many people, I don't know, like, there's not a lot of balance, right? Like, I've, I've found more balance now, but it's like, no, you've got to be fucking obsessed, and you've got to be relentless, and you've got to, while all your homies are out doing whatever, you should be practicing, you know what I mean? You've got to be disciplined, like, I'm so, you know, my parents were, they were, they were really strict with me, like, yo, if you want to go skateboarding, you want to go ride BMX bikes, go whatever, fuck off with your friends, you got to go play drums for three hours. I'm so thankful they did that, can you imagine if they didn't, you know? Because the one thing also in my doc is like, every time, like, my mom dies, what do I do? I, I just throw myself into music and drumming, like, obsessed with drumming, you know?

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Join marching band, orchestra, jazz band, you know, like, just literally eat, sleep, and breathe it, same thing after my accident, what did I do? Day I got home, I'm outside with scabs all over my body, and I'm playing the fucking drums, because it's like what I know. And also, I think, for kids even that don't have to hopefully endure anything I encountered, it's like, it gives you confidence when you're good at something. It's like, when, I don't know, anything, I think when kids bully you, and whatever else, if you're good at something, you're like, fuck you, like, I know I'm really good at football, I'm really good at jujitsu, I'm really good at guitar, I feel like it just gives you confidence.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  And helps you just kind of navigate through life better.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  You know?

• 35:53Speaker 02

  It's a vehicle for developing you as a human being, whatever it is, whether it's art, whether it's music, whether it's literature, whatever you're doing, writing, whatever you're doing, whatever, carpentry, whatever it is, just become obsessed with a thing, get better at it, and you realize that, okay, I, there's a process, I can get better at things, I'm valuable, I, I'm, I can do something.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  I'm not just a lazy sack of shit.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  The problem is the masses aren't like that, right? So, like, sometimes you feel lonely being like that, but, yeah, I feel like, have you ever read Relentless by Tim Grover?

• 36:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  It's, fuck, it's my bible, but, I just had my premiere in LA, and he introduced my doc.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 36:37Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's a book, and he basically talks about being a cooler, closer, or cleaner, you know? And like cleaners are, are like people, like you and I, that are obsessed with shit. And, you know, if we won a Grammy today, we're not gonna like party for the next week, we're like, what's next, you know? What's next? We're not, we're on vacation, and we're practicing, and we're not feeling bad about it, we're, it's just, it's, it's a mindset that not a lot of people have, and that almost make you feel like you're doing something wrong, because you're so obsessed with something.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, people will make you feel like there's something wrong with you.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, like, and I've, and it took me a while, honestly, after I read his book, I'm like, oh, I'm not alone, there's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me, that just, I love the fucking drums, I love to make music, I could stay in the studio for twenty-five hours, you know? And, and I don't feel burnt out, and it makes me feel alive, and it's therapeutic, and I always, I'm never content with where I'm at, I always know I have room to grow, I know there's things I can get better at. Yeah, there's, and then there's like, you know, there's people that are very content, just being like, I'm not gonna get any better, I'm just, I'm cool with where I'm at, I know this is kind of peak level for me, I can never think like that.

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• 39:24Speaker 02

  Visit betterhelp.com to explore your payment options. That's better, H E L P dot com. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be, in order for there to be outliers, there, there's always going to be people that just, whatever, for whatever reason, never follow through, never do what they really want to do, you know? What is that Thoreau comment, the Thoreau quote, "Most men live lives of quiet desperation." There's a lot of that, there's a lot of people that wish, they wish they had the energy, or the inspiration, or the discipline, or whatever it is, to do the thing that they

• 40:06Speaker 02

  want to do, to get up and just to do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement, really makes them feel fulfilled, really like ignites that creative fire inside of them, that where you do something, and it's done, you're like, fuck, yeah. There's a lot of people that never experience, fuck, yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  It's a rough life.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  I feel like that's the journey, find that, you know, like, or like, that quote, find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it, like, that's the, that's great, but I think, yeah, things like that have just, especially after my accident, I'm like, yo, life is short, there's.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  And it can go at any time.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Oh, it can go anytime, I've, I've, I've learned, I've been smacked in the face over and over again, you know? Yeah, and just always feeling like, I remember, there's this guy named Harry Shannon that was like, very instrumental in helping me get sober, or me trying to get sober before my accident, when I got sober, and he's like, you know, I have to ask men, like, if you died right now, would you be the man you'd want people to remember you by? And I'm like.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  I need to get to that place, you know, that that's just where I wanna sit. That's where I wanna live.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I always tell tell people, live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  And you're doing something awesome. Like, if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing some, just someone who's like, wow, that fucking dude's getting after it. Be that person in real life. The other thing I always tell people, become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  That's so funny. Or who you're pretending to be on the internet or social media.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Just actually become that person. It's so much easier than pretending, cuz there's obviously someone that's like that. That's why we understand the archetype. That's why we understand, like, this very exceptional person. So, become that person.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  You can do it. Anybody can do it. We all change and grow. And that's what's, I think, really important about people like you telling your story. Is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life. And they can see it and relate to you and it gives them fuel. It can, your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life. There's a young girl or a young guy out there that can hear you and that just your story makes them take a step, makes them go in the right direction, makes them make a move to something. We all need something from other people. We feed off of other people's energy.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I I feel that, like, it's like when people see David Goggins for the first time and you're like, oh, I'm gonna get after it. I'm gonna get, you know what I mean? Like, that's important. Um, yeah, and I didn't know. I said, you know, I've watched my doc like fifteen, twenty times now, and I just, I even watched it the other day at the premiere and I'm like, holding back tears and I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy, you know?

• 43:05Speaker 03

  But just the reaction from everyone is like, yo, that changed my life. Like, I can't look at life the same. And I'm like, oh, if anything, that's, I love that, you know?

• 43:17Speaker 02

  We all need that.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  I'd hate to put out, also, it's not like I made my own documentary. But I was honored and flattered someone wanted to do this documentary with me, but like, hate to put out something that doesn't help people, you know?

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Is this water right here?

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, there's a glass right in front of you. There you go.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  I ran, what is it called? Lake Austin?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Lady Bird? I ran it today, yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  It's dope.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  So nice.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Isn't it beautiful?

• 43:42Speaker 03

  So beautiful.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  This is such a great place.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  If I lived here, I would be out there every day and tons of people running.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  I know.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  So cool.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  There's a lot of healthy people in this town.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  And I I didn't, my goal was to just wake up and walk. I went to like this good espresso spot that has like quartos, had a coffee, and then uh, I have like long shorts on, like sweat shorts, cutoff sweats, suicidal tendency sweats and high socks and just regular shoes. And where I come from, where I grew up, was called the Inland Empire, like, and I'm like, oh, my god, I look so Inland Empire right here. Totally. No shirt, long ass sweats, suicidal tendencies. People are like, he's not from here, you know? But I'm like, hey, I'm here with you guys.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here. This is a very blend-in town.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  I love, I love Austin.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  It's cool.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. But that lake is a really fun spot. And again, very inspirational too, because there's a lot of people getting after it.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  A lot of people that look good, they look healthy.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like, uh, I don't know, honestly, I was surprised.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  Really?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  From the moment I I touched down yesterday, just walking, like, my wife and Rocky, we just went walking and there was, everyone was running even yesterday. And then today, it was like similar to when, that feeling where you, in LA, where you have like those boot camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp. There's just people out there getting after it.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  It was, I I love, I love being around that.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Well, this is a very fit town. I mean, it's become the jujitsu hub of the country.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Really?

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of crazy and it all happened during the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or LA, and they came here. And a lot, well, it started out with Gordon Ryan, Gordon Ryan and John Donahue, who were the like, Gordon's the greatest jujitsu athlete of all time, and he moved here, and John Donahue is the greatest coach of all time, and he moved here and they set up shop. And then all the guys they trained with came here, and then a ton of other people just moved here and started up schools too. So there's a ton of jujitsu going on here, a ton of MMA going on here. There's gyms everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms. It's like,

• 45:50Speaker 02

  it's like a feeling here, there's an energy of people that wanna do something, that really want, they wanna be active, they wanna be excited about something, they wanna make something happen. And I think a lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a, a symbol of change for them. Like, wherever the fuck I used to live before, now I'm gonna move to this new thing and I'm gonna really take advantage of the fact that this is different, that this place is different, this is my new place, this is my new feeling of my life. It's a new environment, and then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to like, excel and and make their life more exciting. And just, it's an awesome place.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel that. I think you usually see it in New York or LA, but you see it here. It's like, everyone's in shape or it's like, feels like it's ahead, you know?

• 46:45Speaker 02

  There's energy here.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  And there's energy here because of the people that moved here. You know, when we opened up the comedy club, I mean, we, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in LA. LA was locked down for comedy. And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted. They're addicted to performing. They're addicted to writing. They're addicted to like, and a lot of these guys were young people where their career just was shut off. And, you know, they're in their twenties and they're they're pursuing their dream and they're barely getting by. They're making no fucking money. But they're in Hollywood. They're at the Comedy Store. And then all of a sudden, the Comedy Store is closed for a year and a half. It was fucking nuts. And so when we came out here, you know, it started off, it was Ron White and then me and Tony Hinchcliffe, and then it was like, we

• 47:33Speaker 02

  lit the fire and good, good, come on. And then next thing you know, there's like twenty world-class comedians moved to Austin. And we set up the club, and then now there's five clubs on my street, on the street where my club is, there's five other clubs there. It's crazy. There's so many comics here. And it's just exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum. There's like so much momentum. Cam Patterson, who came out of here, just got SNL. You know, Shane Gillis obviously just became like the biggest comic in the world, and it's all, Kill Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world. That's out of my club.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  So wild, yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  It's all like.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  Oh, that's out of your club?

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, every Monday, it's out of my club.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  I get all the clippings from it all the time and I'm like, he's so funny. Also, Ron, I saw, I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis at the Netflix Sucks.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 48:23Speaker 03

  At the Hollywood Bowl.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  So good.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I worked with Ron last night and

• 48:28Speaker 03

  He's great.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  He's the best.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, Shane Gillis is my favorite, obviously. So, he's so funny.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  He's the best.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  He doesn't even have to say anything, just his face.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Well, he's just a great guy. Like, you just love, you, when you're around him, you're having fun. Like, he's just a big, he's a big smile.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  You know?

• 48:45Speaker 03

  I could imagine.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were like, hey, do you wanna go meet him before the thing? I'm like, no, no, no, okay. I'm like, I just wanna, I just wanna watch his show. Like, yeah.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  I'm sure he'd love to meet you.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  It's just, uh, having a place where a bunch of like-minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important. And if you don't have that in your life, that's what I was talking about, like, your story and your documentary, and just hearing you talk about stuff is so important for people, cuz we all need other people that are doing a similar thing, or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing, that it gives us, and it might not be for them, it might not be playing the drums. It might be painting, it might be something else, but it's like, oh, that guy has that feeling about drums the way I have this feeling about playing guitar, or I have this feeling about drawing pictures, whatever the fuck it is. It's like, you need to know

• 49:36Speaker 02

  that this feeling that you have inside of you and wanting to do something special is not unique. There's other people that have it. You just have to find them. You have to find those people. And if they're not around you, at least now, we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the internet. It's, it's incredible.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like they say, like, you are who you, who you're, the the closest five people that are around you.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  It's like the same thing.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Completely true. Completely true.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel that too, and they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing. Uh, yeah, I'm like, in our old neighborhood where, cuz were you on Khalifa?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  Okay, so I'm on Khalifa, you know? I moved my studio. You literally left.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  Like COVID hit, you left, and I moved in over there.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I heard.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  So, um, I wonder how close we were too.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Well, I think we were real close.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Really?

• 50:25Speaker 02

  I think we were right down the street from each other.

• 50:26Speaker 03

  So, uh, even just being in that neighborhood, like, I I run a lot in there, right? And one day I was running, it was so, it was so weird. I think I saw your pod and Gene Jacques was on it, right?

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Jean Jacques Machado.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, Jean Jacques Machado. And, um, and then the, maybe two days later, I'm at, uh, I'm, I'm at Blue Bottle grabbing a coffee, and him and all his boys from his, his gym come up. They're like, hey, come train. Come train. And I'm like, okay. And then the next day I'm running and I don't even know where his spot is. And I'm running and then there's his, his dojo, like, you know, his gym. And, uh, and I just walked in and started training. But being around him and like his story, like, being around people who have inspiring stories and are motivating and, and are, are productive and are hungry and, you know?

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  It's the biggest, the biggest difference in the world.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Jean Jacques is an awesome soul. He's an awesome guy.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  What a great guy.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I started training with him in nineteen ninety-eight. Yeah.

• 51:27Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  I was training A lot and then I was also running a bunch and I tweaked my leg. And I kinda learned, I think, like me running all the time, it wasn't the best for jujitsu.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  No, you need some strength training for jujitsu.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  So now, now it's a good balance, but um.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  What do you do for strength training?

• 51:52Speaker 03

  It's tricky. I, I used to just work out. If I, if I was here, I'd find someone, I'd work out with them or have, have friends I'd work out with or trainers back home. But a lot of people see me and they're like, bro, let's get, let's get you jacked. Well, that, that's not, that's not functional for me.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Not functional for drums.

• 52:11Speaker 03

  I need to be fucking fast.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  And I need to be um fluent and yeah, so a lot of people, I, I figured out after years and years and years of, of working out with different people, what's best for me is, is fast twitch and lots of reps. Lots of sprints, quick explosive energy. I love boxing, love jump roping. And then a few days is more like slow strength training. But only followed by, like I have to finish with something fast, whether it's ten rounds on the bag or whatever else. Or I literally, I remember there was a tour and I was working out with someone and um

• 52:54Speaker 03

  we hadn't yet figured it out. We work out still together and we do, we do something called tempo training. So whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo. You're doing it for the length of the song. So it's much longer than you would normally do something. And it's much quicker than you normally do something. But that's how I play the drums. And that's gonna, that's gonna um help me once I go back to what I do and it's functional for what I do.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  But when I wasn't doing that and I was just throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle. I was, I got behind a kit and I remember I hadn't really tested it out and it was the worst feeling in the world. I was so tight. I was so slow. I didn't look like this, but I felt like this, you know? It was terrible. I was like, oh my gosh, this isn't me. I need to be, you know?

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  And my goal, my only goal is to be able to think something and do it, execute.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Stamina wise, endurance wise and skill wise. So I'm always practicing and my stamina's always on point. So.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Drumming is like sprinting with your arms.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  I mean, you're just like long-term, fast running with your arms.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like volume punches, right?

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Like all drummers have a similar build. They're all like wiry and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms. Like what you could do with your arms is probably bananas. I bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all day long.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  I could do battle ropes. I love speed bags.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  I, I have one at the, at the gym, at my studio.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  And it's all, it's all tempo. You have to find the rhythm. If the rhythm's not right, you can't keep the bag going, you know?

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Battle ropes, you know, for thirty, forty minutes. Without stopping.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Just find different ways. Thing for drumming, I would imagine. It's such a similar motion.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  You know?

• 54:46Speaker 03

  But it's so different than like the average person that wants to work out. Like I don't get to do that, you know? Even though it's cool or you look cool or you put on a certain amount of muscle or whatever, I, it's just, I can't do it.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Well, it could get in your way for sure. I mean, I think a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer. You know, you, you wanna be like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance. And if you just get an intelligent trainer, they, they understand what you're trying to achieve. They could achieve both goals. Like you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jujitsu, if you wanna do jujitsu, but not overwhelm you with mass.

• 55:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  You know?

• 55:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Figured out like there's, yeah, there's definitely certain exercises I could do once I start training jujitsu again to make sure my legs are cool.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Well, a lot of like really elite jujitsu guys are not bulky at all. There's a lot of like really thin guys that are like very, very high level. Especially because there's weight classes and you know, what's really important is technique.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  You know, it's tricky is the hands too, like not, not crushing my hand and making sure I'm always like gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out or.

• 55:54Speaker 02

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• 56:37Speaker 02

  That's better H E L P dot com slash J R E. If you break a finger, that's fucked.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, he's, he's always so good about that. It's like.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Well, you just have, if you're rolling and stuff, you just have to make sure you're not rolling with anybody that's spastic. Anybody that's just like, that doesn't have controlled energy, you know?

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  That's the great thing about rolling with black belts. Like if I'm rolling with a black belt, it's very controlled. Like we both know what we're doing. So everyone's like moving in a very controlled pace. You very rarely get injured. When you get injured is when you're rolling with like some young blue belt who's on steroids, he's fucking jacked out of his mind.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  He's trying to choke you out and he's just amp.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, wants to choke out Travis Barker.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Exactly. Dude, I've been that. I was, I was at a UFC gym. Uh, I forget where I was. I was somewhere on tour. And he's like, okay, let's spar a little bit. We're supposed to be doing light sparring, whatever, just kickboxing, boxing. And he does a spinning backfist. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like I have a show in forty-five minutes, man. Like chill, you know?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  He can be getting concussed forty-five minutes before.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  But I do, I do love it.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Very hard to control too.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Once you start that rotation and that spin, that arm going around.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  I was, I was almost donezo. My son was there. He's like, oh, I was like, yeah, probably wasn't, that wasn't good, but yeah, but training is, yeah, it's, it's so awesome.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  It's great for getting rid of aggression too. Like it just cleans your mind up. It makes you relaxed.

• 58:11Speaker 03

  For sure. And it humbles you, I think.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  I feel like everyone should train or at, at least do it at some point in their life because it humbles you and yeah, I feel like there'll be a lot less like hot heads or testosterone out there. You know what I mean?

• 58:25Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. Jujitsu people are some of the most laid back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Most of them are like very easygoing, really kind and very relaxed.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  And I feel like it's something you can do even as you age.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  A hundred percent, yeah. As long as you're training with good, smart people.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  You know, that's the thing. You gotta pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured is spastics. People that freak out. And you know, I used to be a spastic. I get it, you know? When I was young, when I was first starting out, I was very aggressive and trying to just, just force everything. You do everything fast. And then, but then one day you'll train with someone like Jean Jacques and Jean Jacques just, he never explodes. He, he's never out of balance. He's never out of position. Everything's just smooth and effortless. And he's talking to you like while he's rolling, Joe Hogan, look out for your arm, Joe Hogan. He's like, he's, he's having fun.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Good, yeah.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  And it's, that's, it's an art. It really is. Especially when it's done well, like the way Jean Jacques can do it. It's like, it is an art. It's beautiful to watch. You watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle and it's like, oh my God. It's beautiful.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think I'd done it in the past and it was, it was, it was a lot of fun and it was almost like chess up here. But I didn't feel like it was a much of a workout. Whereas with him, it's like two hours. He's making it like a show. There's no, there's no stopping for long periods of time and we're just dripping sweat. And I weigh a buck fifty and he's whatever, two hundred, you know? And he's just, yeah, it, it's, it is a workout and it's just challenging and you're engaged the whole time and yeah, it just feels good.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  And you, when, then if you watch fights, you really appreciate what's going on because you've tried to do that and you know, like because a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights like, oh, I could get in there, I'll fucking, I'd fuck these guys up. Like you have this most men have a very delusional understanding of or belief in their ability to fight. So doing it gives you like, oh, this is fucking really hard. And then you watch people at an elite level. You know, you watch Chugashon O'Malley or someone like that and you're like, oh, fuck, that's hard to do what he just did. That's crazy.

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  It like gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of just discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front of fifteen thousand people and millions of people on television.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  Dude, I couldn't imagine. Yeah, I was with Dom one time and uh, me and Dom Cruise, he was just like, try to sleep me. And I'm like, okay. And you know how fast he is and how like I swing and he's over here, you know? It was like, oh, it was so humiliating, but um, and then he just. Was just grappling me and not letting me move and he's like, he's like, don't ever, don't ever, when you're in a fight, be like, do something, do something. This is what it feels like, you know? He was just keeping me there and I'm like, oh, I have much more respect for just, yeah, when someone's even just holding someone against the fence, that, that feels awful.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. It drains you.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  It drained me, yeah, and then to start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep him was, it was, it was impossible. It was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible, you know?

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  His footwork is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, and he really invented a lot of his footwork. Like, his footwork is very, Dom, Dominik Cruz, when he was the champion, when he was bantamweight champion, had some of the most elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was so unique and so different, and you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training. Cause Dom's system, he, he pretty much developed on his own. And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving, and it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him and they're just mesmerized. Because it's step, step here, step, step there, pop, step, step here, kick, step, step here, elbow, and you're like, fuck, where is he?

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  You know, and that was such a smart, cause he's such an intelligent guy, which is why he's such a great, like, MMA analyst.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's so good.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  So smart, and he just really figured out, like, okay, I don't have the most power, I'm not the strongest guy, I'm not the biggest guy. What, what can I have, what can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody? Well, I can be like the most elusive, the most slick-moving guy that's ever existed.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  And I feel like a lot of people in his division adopted it from him.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Figured it out, you know?

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  Well, they had to adapt.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  You know, when that guy's, you know, dominating people and you, you can't do anything about it, I mean, he humiliated a lot of people. He was in front of them and they, they, they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you. Like, some, right in front of you and there to be hit and taking a shot and then giving one back. Dom wasn't doing none of that, he was like, whoop, here, I'm over here, bup. He was like, you know, very much like, uh, Lomachenko did in boxing. You're just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before. And really kinda, again, developed it on his own. If you look at like his, the camp that he came out of in San Diego, there wasn't other guys doing it like that. It was really just him.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Very, very unique guy. But I, I love that there's styles that sort of rise, that, that, that exist, that someone just sort of creates. They just realize like, what, what do I have physically as a, you know, as my tools? And how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before?

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause there was nothing like him.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Nothing.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like TJ Dillashaw, who was also awesome with footwork. And, you know, a lot of his footwork, guarantee, was inspired by watching Dominik. And a lot of these other guys that are, these Corey Sanhagen guys that are constantly switching stances.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Same thing.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  They, all, the, the, the style developed out of that, because before Dominik Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that, not even close.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  And so when you see TJ, you know, like, who, in, in my opinion, was one of the greatest bantamweights of all time. Like, when he beat Henen Barao, like, one of, which was, Henen Barao at the time was thought to be, if not the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, at, at least number two behind Jose Aldo, and he was undefeated. And TJ just styled on him. I mean, it was, and he went out there like he was sparring. It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title. He went out there like super loose and focused and relaxed and just switching stances and cutting angles and hitting him with shots and moving to the left and hitting him with a head kick to the right, like, fuck!

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, he put on a show, that fight.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  One of the greatest title-winning performances in the history of the sport, for sure.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  I wish, I wish he, he didn't, you know, struggle with so many injuries.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  And everything, cause he was.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  It's a tragedy.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Phenomenal.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  It is a tragedy, I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries. Like, uh, to the point where I think he's gonna have to get artificial shoulders. Cause he had, um, no super spinatus on both arms. It was just completely ripped off, and he would just like strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it, and then it would just pop out. You know, when he fought Aljamain Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, my shoulder's gonna pop out, but it's okay, I'll put it back, let me keep fighting. Imagine that, you're going to fight Aljamain Sterling for the world title, who's a beast, and one of the best grapplers ever. And you're thinking, uh, I ha, I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight, cause it just doesn't stay.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  It's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time, and he's trying to fight. And just, just all will and discipline and intensity.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  Like, that was Dom's shoulder too, right, towards the end?

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  Dom had a bunch.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  I mean, he had the ACLs.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, he had ACLs, yeah, the shoulder was the last one, that was the, the last draw, his last shoulder surgery. Yeah, I mean, look, it's, the human body is not designed to be punched and kicked and to be grappled and strangled and twisted and arm-barred, it's like, at a certain point in time, it just gives out.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  That's just how it is.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  And it sucks because, you know, some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind, and their body just fails them after a certain point in time. And you, you see that with some of these older guys. It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery and this and that, and then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, sometimes it's sad to watch, you know, but I, I also understand the feeling of, that's all you know and you just wanna keep fighting.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Well, it's also, they have this insane belief in themselves, and they always think that.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  It's what got them there also, you know?

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  That's how they became a champion in the first place, like, people telling you, you'll never play the drums, you're never gonna run, you're never gonna, and you're like, I'll show you, and that's how they all are, they're all like, I'll show, and they're like, it's over, you gotta hang it up, it's over, your time has gone. Like, no, no, no, I got one more in me. I got, I got three or four more fights in me, I'm gonna fight until I'm 41 or whatever it is.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  That would be so hard, I think of Dustin and I think of, like, even his fight against Islam. And his fight against, uh, what's the French fighter?

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  Benoit Saint-Denis.

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Dog, I, I couldn't tell myself, I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that in those fights. He's a fucking beast, you know?

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  He's a beast.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Like Dustin, to me, isn't, he doesn't look like he's at the end of his career, he's still very competitive and, that would, I think that was the best fight against Islam anyone's fought, you know?

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  It was a very good fight.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  That was such a great fight.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  I mean, Dustin's an elite fighter.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  So I could see being Dustin and struggling with like, ah, this is hard for me to stop fighting, cause you're that fucking good, you know?

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Dustin, the, the physical issues aren't even really like joints and neck and, it's his head. He's had too many brain injuries, and that's, he's got some sort of a separation between the two halves of his brain. There's like some issue with the, the center of his brain, I don't know.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  I didn't even know about that.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly. But I mean, you know, he had that, that incident where he got drunk and got crazy. That, but that's, a lot of that is CTE, I guarantee. And, you know, he's, he's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that, and he's seeking help and really, there, there are some ways that you can recover, at, at least in some way, and, and improve on what you're doing, but I think for him, it's best to not be fighting anymore. You know, it's just, at a certain point in time, you're only gonna accumulate more damage, and then whatever you're dealing with now is just gonna get worse, and then maybe you can't recover from it.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  And, you know, he's got a family and he's in this situation where it's like, I wanna be there for my family, I don't wanna be this guy that's like completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old and where I can't walk anymore and someone's gotta take me around or hold my hand.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Cause there are guys like that, you know, especially like older boxers, you run into some old boxers and it's like, it's really sad, man.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  You know, you see guys like Tommy Hearns talking, who's like not much older than me. And you see him talking and moving around, you're like, fuck, like, he paid a price.

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  These guys pay a price, it's a rough way to make a living.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, the fight game is crazy.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  It's the craziest.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  I'm happy my drums don't hit me back, straight up, you know? I'm like.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's also, you can do what you do for a long time. I mean, you can play drums for a long time, when you're fighting, your peak is such a small window of life and it's just, you, there's so much that you have to pour into it, and then eventually, you have to realize that that window's closed, and you have to move on. Even though you're still young and you still have all this life, and look at a guy like Dustin, he looks fucking great. You know, he looks great, he sounds great, when you talk to him, he seems like he's all there, physically, he looks like he's never been better, but the window's closed, you know, there's, there's these young guys coming up and they don't have the injuries that you have, they don't have the problems that you have.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  They, they don't have the wear and tear and, and they're gonna get to you before you get to them. And maybe they wouldn't have gotten to you five years ago or six years ago, or, but they get now, and it's just not there anymore. And it's hard for guys to accept, because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  So that's, that would be the most difficult thing in the world, you know?

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  But the glory that they experience is above and beyond anything we're ever gonna know.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  I heard someone talking about it, um, and they, they were saying, imagine being a cage fighter, and it's all you've prepared for, for the last 20 years, to be locked in a cage, in your underwear to scrap with someone, and have the most grueling fight camps, and then you're just, we're just gonna take you out of it, and you can't do that anymore. It's like, that's all you've known, you know, it's, it's a, they experienced a different life. Than, than us, you know?

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  Their highs are way higher.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, highest of highs, lowest of lows.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  The rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights. I mean, it's like Conor keeps trying to come back, it's like all these guys, it's like, that thing, like Conor's worth like half a billion dollars. Like, he doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to.

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  But he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory.

• 1:12:25Speaker 03

  Whatever the discipline that Khabib had, where he could just, he completely walked out on top, right? Retired on top, that, that's beautiful, and, and if everyone could have the.

• 1:12:38Speaker 03

  The discipline to do it like that, that, you know.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that guy's got.

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  That's rare.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  That guy's got Mount Everest discipline. It's like a different kind of discipline and.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  It's why he's one of the greatest.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, one of the greatest of all time. And that's why, you know, what's interesting is he stayed training. He's been training ever since he retired and he says he's much better now than when he retired.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  Wow, could you imagine?

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  Isn't it crazy? He says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now. And how he does things differently in training now. And I know guys who train with him and they say he fucking malls people. He's mauling these like, you know, top 10 UFC contenders. And he gets in there with them, they, they, they can't hold on to him. He's fucking, he's an animal.

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  I believe it.

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• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  But he's an awesome coach now too. And having a guy like that in your corner, imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets. Having Khabib Nurmagomedov coach them. Like you're, you're being coached by one of the most ruthless, disciplined guy that's ever competed in the sport. Retired undefeated, one of the rare ones. And he's your coach and you want to make him happy. You want to make him proud.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, having his guidance.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, he's gonna be in Islam's corner this weekend. I'm leaving tomorrow.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  Dude, I can't wait.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  It's gonna be sick.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Can't wait.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  That's a good fight. Very, very interesting fight because Ian Machado Gary is a very difficult guy to get a hold of. Very tall and long.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  Fast as fuck.

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  Good striker.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  Very smart, knows how to win, knows how to adapt and change.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  Islam's striking is fierce too though.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. Yeah, it's a lot better than it used to be and at like the same level as all the other guys in the sport. Which is really crazy because his grappling is above and beyond. So it's like you're dealing with a guy who, there's no picnic on the feet. He'll fuck you up on the feet. I mean, he knocked out Volkanovsky with a head kick. He's elite on the feet. And then when it comes to the ground, there's no one like him. There's no one like him in the division, any division. He's, he is a crusher. And he just crushes people.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's nasty.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  I mean, you think about how good Charles Olivera is, one of the greatest submission artists of all time. Islam got him down to the ground and just smushed him. Just crushed him quickly. Just made him tap quick. It was incredible.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  That fight was gonna be more competitive.

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  Everybody did.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's how good Islam is, you know? And he's also a guy that like, you cannot train harder than him. It's not humanly possible. So he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him. It's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has. I mean, those guys out of Dagestan are on a completely different level. I mean, there, there is an entire room filled with absolute savages. And they're just getting after it every day, full discipline. No one drinks, no one parties, no one does everything. They pray five times a day. They're super religious and they're just driven.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  And, you know, he, he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that. It's gonna be a fun weekend.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  That main event is very tricky because Ian can move, man. He's a really slick guy, really tall. And he's also very fast and long. So he's gonna have a significant height and reach advantage. He's gonna be moving all over the place, landing. And if Islam is not careful in how he engages, he could get caught. And you can only get caught by a guy like Ian a couple of times, if at all, you know, before you're in trouble. So it should be very interesting. Those are the kind of fights I love that are a puzzle.

• 1:18:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like styles make fights. With that one, that's like a great example.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  Yes. And it's also Ian has this insane confidence. He has this insane belief that he's special. That, you know, this is his destiny and that, you know, I mean, he's, it looks like that at every weigh-in. It looks like that at every stare down. It looks like that at every press conference. Like this is his destiny. He really believes that, which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have, like almost a delusional belief in themselves.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw an interview where he was, he actually said, um, he believes in the balance. Uh, with his family, with, with every part of his life where most fighters will only focus on fighting. During the eight to 10 weeks they're fighting or they're training. And he's like, no, I actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great. So I believe in more balance than imbalance.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  I think it.

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  Depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on what does your family look like? You know, what is the relationship with your wife and your children like? Is it harmonious? And is it, do you, do you get love from it and strength and inspiration? Or is there chaos? Is there like arguing all the time and bickering and pettiness and bullshit?

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  Like the Mark Carr fight, the movie?

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  Mark Kerr, yeah, The Smashing Machine.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  Oh my God, when she's fighting, when she's squabbing with him right before he goes out to fucking fight, I was like, ah, I was like, oh, I could feel for him.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I've seen that before. I've seen that with multiple fighters. Multiple, I know one guy who during the night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with him. Like huge fights, like because she didn't like that this one thing, fighting was more important to him than her. She wanted to be the entire focus of his attention and when there was this thing that was taking away, she was a complete narcissist. This thing that was taking away from his attention to her, she would sabotage it. So she would start fights, she would storm out of the hotel room, slam the door and just be gone, shut her phone off. And here he is freaking out. He's got to fight for the world title in, you know, whatever, 20 hours.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  And he's, he's dealing with this nonsense.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  It's the worst. I can't, I can't imagine.

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Well, I think that's why some guys, they'd rather take that isolated approach. They just, they would rather just do the Spartan thing and just be alone in camp and sleep on a cot and wake up in the morning and run and just live this like very hard six to eight week life.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  I feel that part. Like I can't even, even leading up to shows, I can't be too comfortable.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  Oh no. Like I can't get a massage before I go play or be chilling in my hotel room. I need to be uncomfortable.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  Why is that?

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  I don't know. I, it's just, it's all I've known too, you know? It's like that, I don't know. I came up like lugging my own gear around, setting up my drums and then waiting for the show to start. And I don't, I can't just watch a movie before I play or wake up from a nap. It's just, it's just not in me. I'm up jump roping, I'm up like watching fights, I'm up going for a run, practicing, learning something new. That's the best headspace for me to be in.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  Well, I would imagine with, the difference between drumming and I think any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical. It's so physical that it's like a workout. Like you, you have to be in shape to drum. You have to.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can't feel sluggish. Like, I don't know, I'm, I'm a fucking weirdo though. I'm like worried about like what I eat. Like, do I have enough energy? Have I, you know what I mean? Yeah, and just jump roping right before I play.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  Dialing it in, right? And knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had. You've had so many experiences, so many performances that you can just dial it in. I think that in that way, it's very similar to fighting is that every fighter has to have their own approach. And Ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time. And Islam Makhachev's approach is very different. It's like Spartan, all those guys together. You eat and train with the guys. Just separate yourself from everything.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's super personal.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's gotta be personal because everybody's got a different, everyone has a different personality, different mindset, different, different triggers, different things that fuck with them, different things that calm them down, you know?

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Also I have all these weird, whatever, where I'm jump roping, running, practicing for hours before I go on stage. And then there's the times where everything, I get thrown a curve ball. And I get to the venue five minutes before and I can go up and do it like, like no problem. Because I think I've done all this other preparation.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  It's like, I also know it works without it.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. You're always ready.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  Stay ready so you're always ready.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Yes, I live by that.

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:04Speaker 03

  Stay ready so you don't have to get ready.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  That's, that's the, that's the goal.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, well fighters have that too because the fighters that get like really out of shape in between fights, they're the ones that really struggle.

• 1:23:16Speaker 03

  Like Patty.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:18Speaker 03

  Where you see him blow up like a week later, it's like, is that even the same person?

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  Patty, it's a little deceptive.

• 1:23:23Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  Patty gets fat, but he doesn't get out of shape.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  Patty's got incredible endurance and insane work ethic, but he also really loves to live and live life. You know, so have a few beers, eat some pizza, get fat, but he's still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody. Like, it's, there's no way you're in the kind of shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time. So even when he gets fat, it's just eating. He's just eating piles of food. I'm sure if you, if, I'm sure when you see him with his big moon face, if he got to the gym and worked out, you'd be like, fuck.

• 1:24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, still a beast.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not like he's gonna be exhausted and lying on his back after one round in the bag, not like, he's, it's only fat.

• 1:24:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  You know, and then he's got the, and then there's also this part of the discipline of the weight cut is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring all your food and like there's, there's a certain like shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped. And he goes from being fat to ripped.

• 1:24:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:34Speaker 02

  I mean, he does it better than anybody because everyone looks at him like, oh, that guy's never gonna make weight. And then he shows up at the weigh-ins shredded, chiseled.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think I see anyone with a, as big of a transformation.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  No, no, his is beyond and people love him for it too. That's also part of the craziness of it. They celebrate it. Cause it's so silly.

• 1:24:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's so likeable.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Speaker 03

  He's, he's, yeah, he's great.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  So fucking skillful too, what he did to Benoit Saint-Denis was nuts.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  And his Gagey fight was like.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:06Speaker 03

  That was one of the best fights I've seen in person.

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  It was an awesome fight.

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  What the fuck just happened?

• 1:25:12Speaker 02

  Well, you see what Gagey just did to Iliad Deporia and now you realize how fucking tough Patty is.

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Patty's tough. He's, he's silly and he's playful and he's a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's all likeable and he's dancing around, but when it gets down to it, that motherfucker is tough as nails.

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, scary how, how quick that was.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  And Gagey's just, fuck, thank God for him.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:37Speaker 03

  He's so, I, I was so, I was so happy.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Me too. It was incredible. And seeing him do that in the White House, on the lawn of the White House and win the world title when everybody thought, I mean, he was like a six to one underdog on some sports books, which is nuts. I thought that was very disrespectful.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  I loved his interview with you.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Six to one was crazy, yeah.

• 1:25:57Speaker 03

  And when he was like, I couldn't, I couldn't let him fucking win just based on what I, how bad he was gonna disrespect me after he beat me.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:26:07Speaker 03

  The shit he was gonna say on the mic, whatever, I was like, nah, it wasn't gonna happen. I, I love that. I love that.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to ordinarily. But the thing about Gagey is the, he has zero quit in him. You can't get him to quit. He's never going to quit. It's like you could break his body down like Max Holloway did and knock him unconscious. And there's nothing you can do about that. You get knocked unconscious, you're knocked unconscious. It's, you, it's just physical.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've never seen, I, I've never seen Gagey like, like that, you know, in the Max fight. That was.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  And I love Max and I just, yeah, that was like shocking.

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. It was, that was, uh, and then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half, two years later, whatever it was, amazing.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Sick story.

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a great sport, man. I mean, there's nothing like it in terms of like the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement. There's nothing like it. Like I think the last time I saw you was at a UFC at the Apex. I think that's the last time we ran into each other.

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  In Ghanwa and, um, Stipe fought.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Was that what it was?

• 1:27:19Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  Wow, wasn't that crazy?

• 1:27:22Speaker 03

  Oh, being in that small venue when that happened was like.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  Small venue, no audience. There was probably like maybe 50 people in the whole room, maybe a hundred in the whole room.

• 1:27:35Speaker 03

  You could hear a needle drop too when it happened. I think that's the first fight I took my wife to and she was like, what? Like, yeah, oh.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  That was a devastating fight too. And there was also, you have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon. So the Apex, for people that don't know, has an octagon that I think is 30 or 40% smaller.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  Damn, is it that much smaller?

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, how much smaller is, let's put that into perplexity, ask it, how much smaller is the UFC Apex octagon versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas?

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  And you're trapped in there with Francis?

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. And also Francis looking for revenge.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Cause this is Stipe beat Francis in his first loss. Okay, 30%, 30% less space. That's a lot, man. 30% is crazy. So you can see the images there. The, when you see the Apex next to the, the big one, the pay-per-view one, like that is a, a lot of space. And you're just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived. And you can't move, you know, there's not a lot of movement. A lot of people like that because it's kind of, you know, forces action, but I think the space provides more of a canvas, you know, no pun intended,

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  for them to paint their masterpiece. You gotta be able to have angles to get out. And if you're just constrained by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if that object wasn't there, you could move to the side, move in and counter. You know, like think like when Sugar Sean O'Malley knocked out Aljamain Sterling and Aljamain is pressing forward. Now, if the cage was closer, he wouldn't have been able to move back as far. It like, it, it cuts off a lot of the possibilities. Cuts off a lot of things.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  That was another shocker, right?

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Oh, it was amazing.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  When Sean did that at the White House and saluted when he knocked out that guy and then.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  And the walk-off?

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  The walk-off and then saluted.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  So hard.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  And he said he envisioned it, which is even cooler. Like he saw it in his mind.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  That's what he was gonna do.

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was great. He had actually, we were texting back and forth. He's like, I need to knock him out. And I was like, when it happened, I was like, oh, that's, that's just like right off into the sunset, you know?

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Well, in his position, he really needed something special because Marab versus Puyol Yon wasn't formula, wasn't form, formally announced yet. And it was thought like maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot at the title because he has a victor over Puyol Yon. That didn't come to be. Uh, so now Puyol Yon and Marab are having a rematch. And after that rematch, if I had to guess, it's most likely gotta be Sean fighting for the title again.

• 1:30:29Speaker 03

  And he has that win over Peter. So that's exciting, right?

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  But he doesn't have a win over Marab. So if Marab wins the title again, he's gonna be like, fuck!

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like you said, styles make fights. That's like, fuck.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  I mean, it doesn't mean that he can't beat Marab. I mean, I think Sean could beat anybody, but it's just, he's got to figure out whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle. That is that little Georgian Tasmanian devil that never gets tired.

• 1:30:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, just, he's like the Energizer Rabbit, like just keeps going.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  Dude, have you ever seen what Marab's face looks like when they did like an X-ray of his face, an MRI? With his broken nose?

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  It might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  Didn't he say he's not gonna get it fixed?

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  He's not gonna get it fixed. Cause then he'll have to take a year off of fighting. Not only a year off of fighting, I don't think he can even spar for a long time. So he can't, that's what his nose looks like.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Whoa, yo, it looks like, do you know who Pusshead is?

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  Okay, Pusshead's the illest artist ever. He did like Misfits, he did like Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell me that doesn't look like, that looks like Marab's face, the top right, right there. So he's the illest. He did like Zorlac skateboarding, did a bunch of Thrasher stuff.

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  That's, dude.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  We gotta, yeah, Marab's gotta do a skull t-shirt or some kind of merch with that.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  Dude, look at, he totally should. That should be his like logo. Look at that nose, man. Look at the break of the bone, how hard it's turned towards his right eye. I mean, it's really insane. I mean, he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose.

• 1:32:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has.

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Look at his nose. I mean, it's crazy. The twist in that thing is fucking insane. I mean, it's like it covers part of his vision.

• 1:32:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  I feel like he's what he's been out what six, seven months now?

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  It's been a while.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  It's been a while since he fought again. I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Piotr and now they're gonna have a rematch.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  And what? He had defended the belt three times in that year, right?

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  I think it was three times. Yeah, well, it was definitely a strength. The schedule was was tough cuz uh, you know, you're going through these camps. You have these brutal weight cuts. It's like your body gets worn out and uh, but then there's also Piotr Jan who had fought Murab before and lost to him and realized what was necessary to beat the guy and fought a perfect fight.

• 1:33:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, that performance was amazing.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  Jan is a fucking assassin too, man. He's a scary guy. He's a ruthless, mean, technical vicious guy. And now he already knows that he can beat Murab. So it's gonna be interesting to see like who makes the adjustments in the rematch. When is is that happening? Is that scheduled? The Murab fight? I think it is. I don't know when it is, but uh, I'm ninety percent sure that they've scheduled that fight.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  That might be Salt Lake City.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  Is that the Salt Lake City fight?

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  I don't know, but it's exciting.

• 1:33:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a it's a great time for the sport. I mean, the sport is uh, it's on fire right now.

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  Technically says TBD.

• 1:33:51Speaker 02

  TBD, but it is announced?

• 1:33:53Speaker 03

  No, I mean, no, the Salt Lake City has a TBD for that.

• 1:33:56Speaker 02

  Oh, but does if you look up Murab versus Piotr Jan too, does it say where it's happening?

• 1:34:03Speaker 03

  Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm looking at. It doesn't have anything popping up.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening.

• 1:34:10Speaker 03

  LA card, it looks crazy.

• 1:34:12Speaker 02

  You going?

• 1:34:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  That should be fun.

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  Do are you how far are you touring right now at all? Like, what's going on?

• 1:34:21Speaker 03

  No, I'm I'm just in the studio this year.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:34:24Speaker 03

  Just finished uh, writing and producing a few albums and then was finishing this doc.

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  year with promo code JRE. That's promo code JRE or go to lifelock.com/jre for thirty percent off. Terms apply. So what is the LA card right now? It's Pantoja versus Joshua Van.

• 1:36:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm seeing a post that says it's reported to happen in Abu Dhabi in October.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Oh, the rematch with Piotr Jan and Murab?

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:36:57Speaker 02

  Okay, that sounds that makes sense. That'd be a good one for Abu Dhabi. Yeah, the LA card's gonna be sick. So it's uh, Armon Sarukian versus uh, Mauricio Hufi. That's gonna be insane.

• 1:37:13Speaker 03

  Moicano versus uh, Ortega?

• 1:37:16Speaker 02

  That's this weekend.

• 1:37:17Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry. Which one did you want?

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  Um, the LA card.

• 1:37:20Speaker 03

  Oh, my bad.

• 1:37:21Speaker 02

  No worries.

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  That's it. Yeah, so the rematch between Joshua Van and Pantoja.

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  Dude, I can't wait to see what happens in that.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, that Pantoja arm break was such a bummer.

• 1:37:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  To have him fall back like that. Yeah, Moicano versus Brian Ortega. Yeah, it should be fun. Gable Stevenson again.

• 1:37:46Speaker 03

  Cheeto.

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Against Charles Jordan. Yeah, should be fun. LA crowds are always fun too cuz UFC doesn't get to LA very often. It's always pretty hyped up.

• 1:37:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to LA. I love Vegas, but something about LA, you know?

• 1:38:04Speaker 02

  You still like living there?

• 1:38:05Speaker 03

  Los Angeles?

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love it. I mean.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  Do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic?

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past De Soto. That's that's the goal. That's like my living is is wake up with, you know, with my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well, I actually, I just bought a um, a garage where I keep all my cars. So some days I'll I'll leave my house. It's a it's a three-mile run. I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my old-school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  Oh, that's nice.

• 1:38:47Speaker 03

  I don't drive past De Soto.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  That's nice.

• 1:38:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you could do that and avoid the the real chaos that's the the center of the hive of LA.

• 1:38:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, once in a while I'll I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's a show or or something that, you know, me and the wife wanna do or me and the kids, but other than that, I studio, home, studio, home, train.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 1:39:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's definitely a better life.

• 1:39:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  I have friends that live in the heart of it, like in West Hollywood. I'm like, what is it like? They're like, it's not the same.

• 1:39:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:22Speaker 02

  It's not the same. It's just.

• 1:39:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I couldn't do it. The days I'm in the city, I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit, you know, like I'll go to crossroads. I'll go do whatever, but it's rare.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can only imagine.

• 1:39:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:36Speaker 02

  Did you ever think about getting out?

• 1:39:39Speaker 03

  I don't know if I could do it yet. I think like for what I do, you know, besides like playing in Blink or touring when I'm home,

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  I'll get a call and they'll say, hey, hey, can we come by the studio? I wanna make this with you. I want you to play drums on this. Uh, I'll see game walking in my neighborhood, Travis, I need you on this record, blah, blah, blah. I just, there's so much that happens right there for me. Um, I think there'll come a time where I don't need to be there, but right now I feel like

• 1:40:11Speaker 03

  I'm in demand and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff and I'm recording a bunch of stuff. So it makes sense for me.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Do you ever have some thought about like living in the country and retiring somewhere or just like laying back?

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, we we were on tour and there was a huge storm in Nashville area. So we were in Franklin for a few days, Franklin, Tennessee, and we immediately started looking at houses. We're like, we gotta go here, but we we kinda do that everywhere we go. You know, we, you know, you travel, you go on vacation, you're like, we wanna live here. We wanna get a spot here, but I do I do love Southern California. Uh, we have a spot up north like in Santa Barbara. I love I love Santa Barbara as well.

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  I love the desert.

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  Santa Barbara's awesome.

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  I feel like moving around in Southern California keeps things fresh, like going to the desert for a week or a few days, going to Santa Barbara and then during the week, staying in Calabasas or like Los Angeles and, you know, working out of there.

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  The Montecito area is insane.

• 1:41:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, Montecito's amazing. And I also feel like the desert, like Coachella out there is uh, you feel like you're in a different world. You feel much further away from LA and all the chaos than than you are.

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:26Speaker 03

  It's cool.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, no doubt. I mean, how many people have gone out to the desert just to try to find themselves?

• 1:41:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, true.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  It's it's a very unique environment out there.

• 1:41:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Kinda weird that they decided to put music festivals out there.

• 1:41:40Speaker 03

  I know. It's wild. You know, one of my best friends, I, when I, when I left home at a at around like sixteen, seventeen, my dad had given me a couple of options to uh, he said, join the military like me, start paying rent or take off. So I took off, right? Uh, was a trash man in Laguna Beach for a while, then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold. He had this this promoting company called Ninety-Eight Posse and he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything. And he ended up starting Coachella. And he's just been, he was obsessed, like what we talked about earlier. He was one of those people that were obsessed and uh,

• 1:42:20Speaker 03

  and I watched him build this amazing festival and yeah, he's just pretty, pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella is it's crickets the all the rest of the year. There's nothing. It gets so hot. It's a hundred and fifteen. Most businesses close down halfway, you know, through the day. They're open for the morning. And then when Coachella happens, the the city thrives and it's just, you know, chaos.

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  Are they happy with that? That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  I, I don't know, I don't own a business out there, but I bet for everyone that's struggling when it's a hundred and fifteen, a hundred and twenty, and no one's coming out of the house.

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  I feel like they're almost, like Coachella saves them, like the festival saves everybody.

• 1:43:09Speaker 02

  Oh, definitely, just the volume of people in the town.

• 1:43:11Speaker 03

  The volume of people that comes through, I think saves all the businesses.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  For sure if you have a business.

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  When we're out there and it's not like the season or whatever they call it, and it's considered too hot, most businesses are open from nine to one P M.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  That drive out to the desert though is like, better make sure your air conditioning works.

• 1:43:29Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  And no old school cars. Don't be taking none of your old school cars on that trip.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  Well, the only, the only thing I've driven from L A to La Quinta out there is, uh, have you ever heard of Velocity?

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:46Speaker 03

  I got a K five from them.

• 1:43:47Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  You could drive that out there, but nothing.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  Tom Segura has one of those.

• 1:43:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're sick.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, he got one of their, their Blazers.

• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  They make such a great, uh, K five.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, yeah, he loves his. Yeah, they, they do sick stuff.

• 1:44:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's all black. Oh, it's brown?

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  It's brown.

• 1:44:02Speaker 03

  I'm colorblind.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  Are you really?

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  I'm fucking severely colorblind. I have to ask my two and a half year old son what color things are sometimes. That's how bad it is, like, I'll be like, what, what color's your favorite? And then he'll tell me what colors they are.

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  Does that, that look black to you?

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  Kinda, yeah. That really looks black to me.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's pretty dark. That's in the shadows, that's like back.

• 1:44:24Speaker 03

  I have a all, I have a all black one.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  What a sick looking truck.

• 1:44:28Speaker 03

  So a lot of people build these K fives and they do resto mods, but they, they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great, or it's like, uh, it, it's, it's over, it's either overbuilt or it, it doesn't run great, or they do too much. Like this isn't overdone. It's, they make the perfect resto mod.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  It's reliable.

• 1:44:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's reliable. Oh, yeah, there's mine.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Oh, nice. Oh, you got a very old school looking, I love it.

• 1:44:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  It does.

• 1:44:59Speaker 03

  I have a couple K fives, but this is the Velocity one. I have a, I have a O G orange one with plaid interior that's, uh, seventy-two, that still has the, the old school engine and everything.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, and it just stays in Palm Springs, and that's where we drive that one.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  Does it have the old school brakes too?

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, fuck that.

• 1:45:18Speaker 03

  That's it right there.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 1:45:20Speaker 03

  But see how, it loo-, it looks like it shouldn't leave Palm Springs, it's, you know, my wife drives it a lot.

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  Oh, that's cool. Yeah, K fives are dope. I have a seventy-two Bronco from Icon.

• 1:45:30Speaker 03

  Sick, Icon was great.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:32Speaker 03

  They made a Blazer.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, they did.

• 1:45:34Speaker 03

  I almost bought it. It was so good, and he's so cool, isn't John?

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel like he, he kinda set it all off.

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  Jonathan Ward, yeah.

• 1:45:42Speaker 03

  Oh, that's the one, okay, so I built, I built that with, uh, Delmo and a couple people around L A. I just took it from shop to shop. This was my version of a Velocity.

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  Dude, that thing's sick.

• 1:45:53Speaker 03

  It didn't drive as good as a Velocity restoration.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Well, it's also, you're so lifted.

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  Like, the handling on the thing must be rough, like going around corners and shit.

• 1:46:03Speaker 03

  It was really cool, I was really proud of it.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  It's beautiful.

• 1:46:05Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  That's very cool looking. There's something about that iconic dis-, design, there's something with the way those things look, like, look at that, god, that looks awesome.

• 1:46:15Speaker 03

  I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks, like, I was like, what? This is, it doesn't get any better than this.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. It is, uh, there's a weird thing about old school cars, they just, they spark something in you.

• 1:46:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  They're, they're more excited, like, I like new cars, I love new cars, they're cool, but they don't have the same feeling. There's something about those old schools, it's just like, it's mechanical, like you're connected to it, you know?

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I'm a sucker for old Chevys and Cadillacs, and I have a bunch that's like.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  How many cars do you have now?

• 1:46:50Speaker 03

  I think I have twelve. I have a lot of old school Impalas.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:46:55Speaker 03

  I love old school Impalas.

• 1:46:56Speaker 02

  Like sixty-fives?

• 1:46:57Speaker 03

  I have a, a fifty-nine.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Oh, whoa, real old school.

• 1:47:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have a sixty-two wagon Impala, sixty-three, uh, convertible Impala, sixty Cadillac, uh, G N X.

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  Bro, sixty Cadillacs are wild fucking.

• 1:47:15Speaker 03

  It's so.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Do you have a picture of that thing?

• 1:47:17Speaker 03

  I think it might, it might be on the interweb somewhere.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Nineteen sixty Cadillacs were crazy.

• 1:47:23Speaker 03

  Oh, that's my old, that's my old nineteen sixty caddy, I used to have that one.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  Wow, look at that thing, that is wild, good luck parking that anywhere.

• 1:47:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, nothing feels like that when you drive those cars.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I'd imagine, it's a boat. That feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary.

• 1:47:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  Look how sick those are.

• 1:47:42Speaker 03

  That was my fifty-three.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  That's yours, the far right?

• 1:47:43Speaker 03

  These are all my, my, my cars in my collection from at some point in my life, yeah.

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  So you're an old soul, dude.

• 1:47:51Speaker 03

  I am.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  There must be, there's something about you that connects with these things.

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, old cars move, I don't know. I like the smell of them, I like everything.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  They're just hard to maintain, you gotta have a really good mechanic.

• 1:48:07Speaker 03

  It's hard, you know what kinda feels old school that I got recently that, um, but that's new, is the Chevy Fox truck.

• 1:48:14Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 1:48:14Speaker 03

  That thing's a fucking beast, uh, see if you could pull it up, it's the Fox, the Fox Chevy Silverado.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  Is this a new car that's come out recently?

• 1:48:24Speaker 03

  It's Chevy's answer to the, the Raptor or the, the T R X, that's mine right there. So it's usually, they usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black.

• 1:48:37Speaker 03

  So it's just, I think it has six or seven hundred horsepower, it has like Baja suspension, you could drive it anywhere.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Oh, so it's just like a Raptor?

• 1:48:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  Uh, why do I not know about this? That's crazy. The Fox Factory Silverado.

• 1:48:52Speaker 03

  That's my, that's my daily.

• 1:48:54Speaker 02

  Fox shocks, that's what it is, so Fox shocks did a collaboration with them?

• 1:48:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, the guts, like you could literally jump this truck wherever the fuck you want, you know?

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  So that's your daily driver?

• 1:49:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have a Raptor.

• 1:49:06Speaker 03

  I, I love the Raptors too.

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  I have a Hennessy Raptor R.

• 1:49:10Speaker 03

  Oh, those are hard.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  It's fun. That's a beautiful truck.

• 1:49:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:49:15Speaker 02

  There's, there's something about those kinda trucks too that's exciting, thousand horsepower trucks are ridiculous, it's like, how do they, look at that thing flies in the air.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  That's so crazy. Do you ever take it on the dunes?

• 1:49:30Speaker 03

  I haven't yet, when they, when I bought it, they came out to, uh, they came out to the desert and brought a couple, and we just whipped them around the desert, and we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything, and they're like, we'll even let you use one of your, our trucks so we don't fuck up yours, so I was like.

• 1:49:45Speaker 02

  Oh, that's nice.

• 1:49:45Speaker 03

  Appreciate that, yeah, cause it is all carbon fiber, uh, fenders, it's pretty cool.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they stretched it out and widened the wheelbase and everything, yeah.

• 1:49:55Speaker 03

  And you can't even buy them in the States, like, you have to, uh, I mean, in California, you have to, I had to ship it from Vegas, cause of all of the, the extras, cause it's supercharged.

• 1:50:08Speaker 02

  So California won't let you buy it?

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  Mm-mm, mm-mm, I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else.

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  That sounds sad. What a goofy fucking state.

• 1:50:18Speaker 03

  But I'm, yeah, super happy with it.

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  We are, uh, doing another studio, and we're gonna do a studio at the Circuit of the Americas racetrack.

• 1:50:27Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  And so.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  Like this?

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 1:50:30Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly, at that place, that racetrack.

• 1:50:33Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  So, which is in Austin, and so what we're gonna do is have it set up where you're gonna be able to go around the track, we'll, we'll, you know, do some laps, and then pull in, and then have a podcast.

• 1:50:44Speaker 03

  Cool, I love that.

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  Which would be great, cause there, you'll, I feel like for your mind, your mind will be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a racetrack, that you'll, you'll come in, you'll be like, ah!

• 1:50:55Speaker 03

  Oh, ready to go, for sure.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  It'll be really fun.

• 1:50:57Speaker 03

  Cause I bet some people rile themselves up, like to come up in here and get really nervous, or like, I don't know.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, some people do.

• 1:51:04Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  Well, you've done it a bunch, you, you, you and I have talked and hung out before, so it's like, it's easy. But for some people, it's like, doing anything that's got a lot of views gets them weirded out, it's hard.

• 1:51:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I think you were honestly one of like the first podcasts I did, besides like Rich Roll, um, back in the day, but.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  How's Rich doing?

• 1:51:25Speaker 03

  He's great.

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  Is he okay? He was, he had some health issues, right?

• 1:51:28Speaker 03

  I think, I think he just had like, uh, a back surgery or something.

• 1:51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:32Speaker 03

  But, uh, he's all, man, he's so cool, uh, he reached out, I mean, he just reached out a couple days ago saying, I, I lo-, I love your doc and I'd really love to talk to you again, so I'll definitely visit him, um, but when I was, when I started my running journey, he had reached out and was like, anything you need?

• 1:51:48Speaker 02

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:51:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was, he's always been so cool.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, very, very nice guy, but, yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems, and I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems and I hear they had surgery.

• 1:51:59Speaker 03

  He was a week ago.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  Oh, he looks fucking great.

• 1:52:01Speaker 03

  Looks like he's healthy, yeah.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  Fucking shredded.

• 1:52:05Speaker 03

  I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time, you're bound to have some type of injury too.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  The back thing scares me though when people get surgery, because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably gonna be better for most people.

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  Depending upon the situation, of course.

• 1:52:21Speaker 03

  I broke my back in four places in my accident.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:52:25Speaker 03

  And I didn't know about it, cause I was laid out in a burn center for six months, and I never got any surgeries, like my doctor exactly said what you just said. He's like, you healed perfect, like it's me doing surgery, I can't guarantee you'd be in a better place than you are now.

• 1:52:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:42Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:52:43Speaker 02

  I have friends that have had back surgery and they have gotten better because of the back surgery, but I also have a lot of friends that got back surgery and they never were the same again, and they had to get another back surgery, then another one, and they have nerve damage, then their arms go numb, and then they have atrophy in their limbs, and.

• 1:53:01Speaker 03

  Surgery's sketch.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Well, it can be, but there's other ways around it when it comes to like disc issues. And this is one of the things that I try to highlight to people. There's PRP, there's, there's a place in LA and Santa Monica called, uh, LifeCycle, is that it? They, but they do something called Regeniquine. And Regeniquine is a type of, I've gone to them a bunch of times. How can I not remember the name of it? Isn't it LifeCycle? LifeCycle, Santa Monica? What's that? Lifespan, Lifespan, sorry. Lifespan, Santa Monica. Lifespan Medicine, phenomenal place. Uh, shout out to Moshe, my friend there. Um, but they, uh, do PRP, but it's a different kind of P. It's called Regeniquine.

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  And what they do is they take your blood, uh, they pull it out of your body. They spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it. And then they reinject it into you the next day, into the discs. And it's an insanely potent anti-inflammatory agent. And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs. Where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where, um, I was getting numbness in my fingers. Yeah, all from jujitsu.

• 1:54:14Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  And, uh, it was really getting me to the point where I was like, I don't think I can train anymore. Like every time I train, I'm in agony, like I, and it keeps getting worse. And I would go to a chiropractor and he, he was full of shit and they, they weren't helping me at all. And then, uh, this Regeniquine thing and like within a week, I started feeling better. Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more tingling in my fingers. And then within a couple of months after that, I was fully healed. I got another MRI, my disc had completely gone back in place.

• 1:54:43Speaker 03

  Wow, it's game changer.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it was pulling, it was pushing out and pressing against the nerve. And it was causing pain, like nerve pain in my elbow and in my, it was the ulnar nerve, same nerve that you were talking about.

• 1:54:54Speaker 03

  Scary, right? When you start getting like tingly feelings in your fingers and you can't feel them?

• 1:54:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was also one of these things where I was like, okay, I think I might be done with jujitsu. Like this is a real problem, but I got back into it because of this. So the Regeniquine fixed that. And then I've also had stem cells now, like stem cells can, especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything. And that they're using state of the art stem cell technology. Like, uh, there's a lot of places you have to go out of the country, like CPI down in Mexico.

• 1:55:27Speaker 03

  So I was gonna ask you, is there places in the States now?

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Ways2well, Ways2well, right here in Austin, is the best place I've ever been to. Um, I haven't been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results with Ways2well. And I brought a bunch of people in that have had phenomenal, like we just brought John Jones in recently. He's, he's got hip problems, his hip feels much better, he said. Uh, we brought a bunch of MMA fighters in. Aljamain Sterling, who was just here a couple of days ago, he was there at Ways2well on Monday. And so Ways2well is like, my friend Brigham who runs it is, it's literally like state of the art. Whatever the fucking science is at the moment, he's on top of it. And they've got hyperbaric chambers, they've got red light therapy, they've got every, every single method of treating injuries and recovery.

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  They, they're always on top of everything. They have a full gym down there. It's really sick, it's an awesome place. But for you, uh, being, you know, either when you're out here, if you ever want to get treated, if there's something wrong, if you have an injury, you could definitely go to here to Ways2well. You could also go to Tijuana. Like Tijuana where, uh, the CPI is, that's the place that has the, they have a partnership with the UFC. The Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana, amazing place. I know the guys who run it and that's another, very similar, state of the art place. But they aren't restricted with the, uh, type of, there's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do. Down there, it's the Wild West, you can kind of do anything.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  And so I know a lot of people that have had pretty phenomenal results going there.

• 1:57:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm wondering, I have this, uh, I have this gene, uh, factor V where I, I clot really easy. So I wonder if I could do it?

• 1:57:11Speaker 02

  Let's find out. What, why would, uh, that?

• 1:57:14Speaker 03

  Like, for example, I can't do IVs.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:57:17Speaker 03

  Mm-mm.

• 1:57:18Speaker 02

  How come?

• 1:57:20Speaker 03

  Cause I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder.

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:57:25Speaker 03

  I clot really easy.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  And that's a genetic variant?

• 1:57:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I didn't, I didn't really know about it when, uh, when my accident happened. Uh, I had a bunch of clots. And just so I put a filter that lives in my body forever. It's like a, a permanent filter that kind of like funnels the blood so it doesn't get stuck.

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  Where's the filter?

• 1:57:44Speaker 03

  Uh, it's like between my back and my stomach.

• 1:57:47Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:57:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, to, to stop anything coming up, like big clots from my leg.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  To my heart or my head, so, um.

• 1:57:54Speaker 02

  A filter?

• 1:57:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  What's it made out of?

• 1:57:58Speaker 03

  It's plastic, unfortunately. Cause I've read a bunch about them. I went on this whole journey, cause when I found out about it and they said, we had to put this in you or you, you could have died because you had huge clots. Uh, but you can't remove it. And they have a life expectancy of about 20 years. And then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or.

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:58:23Speaker 03

  Could cause whatever, but, uh, yeah, just have PMA, positive mental attitude, it's not gonna happen.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  How long ago did you get it put in?

• 1:58:31Speaker 03

  Uh, it was like my accident, uh, whatever year that was, 2008.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  So it was almost 20 years ago, so you might have to get it taken out and get a new one?

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  You can't take it out.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:58:42Speaker 03

  It's cemented to the wall.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:58:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, so like you can't, you can't do anything with it. Now, now, about 10 years later, they started making ones that are removable. Yeah, mine's not removable, IVC filter, yeah, that's exactly it.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  They can't take it out and put a new one in that's removable?

• 1:58:59Speaker 03

  Mm-mm.

• 1:59:00Speaker 02

  You sure?

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  Positive.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  That seems crazy.

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  They say the, the surgery to take it out would be more life threatening than, than leaving it in.

• 1:59:09Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:59:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:11Speaker 02

  And so what happens if this thing breaks and fails?

• 1:59:16Speaker 03

  So ironically, it could do the same thing a clot would do. It would go up to your heart or your head, kill you.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck, man.

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  That's it, huh? IVC filter device to stop blood clots and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs. Wow, do you have to take any kind of medication for this?

• 1:59:38Speaker 03

  Just blood thinner when I, when I fly.

• 1:59:42Speaker 02

  Only when you fly?

• 1:59:43Speaker 03

  Cause I know I clot, or if I'm, if I'm on a tour bus for long, long periods of time, I gotta take a blood thinner. But then I don't take them every day, cause it's also a risk to be on blood thinners and if you get a car accident or whatever.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  Any kind of cut?

• 1:59:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I honestly, I forget about it, I forget it's even in there, just, but yeah, just like, but you know how some people will go on, they'll do a marathon and then they'll get an, uh, an IV, can't do that, or. I just have to really be cautious about getting poked.

• 2:00:13Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I had, I had a, I had a, an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein and she had poked me tons of times, this nurse, and I had 30 clots just in one of my arms.

• 2:00:25Speaker 02

  Holy fuck, dude.

• 2:00:27Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I've also learned the, the lesson of not being really cautious in what happens, you know?

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:36Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:00:38Speaker 02

  I can't believe you still spar when you have that. That seems nuts, cause like you get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs.

• 2:00:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could. My, uh, my doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't over worry about too much or anything. He said, I'd rather you not have a, a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open or if you're boxing or light sparring. Um, so, yeah, let me knock on wood.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  So it's called factor V?

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  Factor V, yeah.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  And it's just a rare genetic condition?

• 2:01:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:01:16Speaker 03

  Well, I think a lot of people have it. I think there's, I don't, I don't know how rare it is, but, um, yeah, the people do, you can have half a gene or a full gene and I have the full one. So I'm really prone to clotting. Where my kids, like my one daughter, Alabama, she has half of it. So it's not as concerning, but she has to be cautious.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  Huh. Whoa.

• 2:01:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  And is there anything you can do with, uh, supplements or anything like that that aids that?

• 2:01:44Speaker 03

  Uh, like a natural blood thinner is beet, beet juice or like beet shots. So I, I pretty much have one every day.

• 2:01:53Speaker 03

  Uh, baby aspirin.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  Beet juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization, right?

• 2:01:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it it was the pre-

• 2:02:00Speaker 02

  I think Rich Roll is actually the guy who told me about that.

• 2:02:02Speaker 03

  It was the pre-workout before pre-workouts.

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:02:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, people would just slam beet juice or a shot of beet juice. I do it every show.

• 2:02:13Speaker 02

  Beet juice?

• 2:02:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Beet juice like an hour before you go on stage.

• 2:02:17Speaker 02

  Drinking about one cup, two hundred and fifty milliliters of beetroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure. The top number by a few points. The natural dietary nitrates in beets convert into nitric oxide in your body, which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow. Oh, so it's like nature's Viagra.

• 2:02:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. Basically, yeah. That and ginseng are my go-tos.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  Ginseng, yeah.

• 2:02:46Speaker 03

  I love ginseng.

• 2:02:47Speaker 02

  Oh, ginseng is awesome for energy, right?

• 2:02:48Speaker 03

  So good, yeah.

• 2:02:49Speaker 02

  It's kind of amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work. And we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's good for you are drugs from a pharmaceutical company. That if you have anything wrong with you, the medicine is all medicine that's petroleum-based pharmaceutical drug medicine, and that's what's good for you. All that other herbal stuff is all for retards. It's all for nonsense and hippies and people that don't read books.

• 2:03:21Speaker 03

  Well, because they brainwash us, right?

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  Uh-huh, yeah.

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  I don't take any medicine. I don't take Advil, Tylenol.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 2:03:28Speaker 03

  Anything.

• 2:03:29Speaker 02

  That stuff, the thing about Tylenol or Advil, I should say, for people that take non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen, that stuff is terrible for your gut.

• 2:03:40Speaker 03

  Isn't Tylenol super bad for you now they came out with?

• 2:03:43Speaker 02

  Tylenol, um, well, there was a really sad story that I read during the pandemic of this lady who had COVID, and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding Tylenol, and she died from liver toxicity. Because Tylenol, which has acetaminophen in it, kills people every year. Like, how many people, I know we've looked this up before, but I don't remember the number, but it's not a small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like Tylenol every year. It's quite a few.

• 2:04:13Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 2:04:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like you think, oh, Tylenol's not gonna kill you. It's just like a pill, and it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take. But if you take a lot, you're fucked. Five hundred deaths per year, largely through overdose-related acute liver failure. Some estimates put it at roughly, what does that mean, four fifty-eight, about five hundred, reasonably shorthand, yeah. Acetaminophen is fucking poisoning. It can get you, you know, if you take a lot of it. And the, I don't think that's the same with ibuprofen. I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen deaths, but I do know that my friend Cam Haynes, who runs-

• 2:04:51Speaker 03

  I love Cam.

• 2:04:52Speaker 02

  Have you ever met him?

• 2:04:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we run together.

• 2:04:55Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:04:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:56Speaker 02

  No shit?

• 2:04:56Speaker 03

  He actually did one of my, uh, you know how I was saying I'm like really into tempo training? Where like you'll tempo train, you'll do like a vigorous like resistance weights, and then you'll sprint. You know, he came and did one with me, and he was like, fuck, Trav. He was like, that was, that was a lot, you know? And we went on, uh, we, we, we run anytime he's in LA. I love Cam. Like, people get so pissed that we're friends.

• 2:05:20Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:05:21Speaker 03

  Because they're like, how do you like someone that hunts? I'm like, because that's my guy. I love him. I don't care if he hunts. I don't care who he votes for. I don't care what he eats. Like, that's my dog.

• 2:05:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, we eat two guys together. He gave you a bow?

• 2:05:34Speaker 03

  He gave me a bow. It was so cool. We shot it at my studio. It was so, he's so cool. And I think likewise, probably a bunch of people are like, why are you homies with a vegan, Cam? Whatever, whatever, whatever people think, you know, like, we, uh, I, I, I love Cam.

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  I think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side. The vegan side is very hardcore. Those people get very adamant about like not being around other people that don't share their values or-

• 2:06:04Speaker 03

  I don't care what anyone does.

• 2:06:06Speaker 02

  That's good for you.

• 2:06:06Speaker 03

  I, I love everyone the same. I don't care what president you vote for. I don't care if you're gay, straight. I don't, I don't care about anything, you know? I just judge people if they're a good person, you know?

• 2:06:16Speaker 02

  I agree. And that's how we all should be.

• 2:06:19Speaker 03

  But yeah, I met, I met Cam. I, I showed up to, uh, I actually showed up to Tom and, um, Burt's like 5K. It was the first time I ever ran. And, um, I just showed up, my, my homie Toby invited me, and I said, fuck, I'll, I'll go run a 5K, whatever. I've never ran a 5K. I always run by myself just because I like running. And I show up there and, uh, right when I get to the starting line, Cam greets me, and I don't know who he is. He's like, what are you gonna pace today? What's your number? And I'm like, fuck, if I know. And he's like, uh, what about you? And he gave me some number, and he's like, what are you gonna do? I said, I'm gonna try to keep up. And I just ran my ass off. Like, I, I just like tried to keep up with Cam, and then, uh, and then we just stayed friends after that.

• 2:07:02Speaker 02

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:07:03Speaker 03

  And I, I did pretty, pretty good in that 5K. I actually, um, did way better than I thought I would have, you know?

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  That's awesome. That's awesome.

• 2:07:12Speaker 03

  And then we became friends.

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  He's one of my best friends.

• 2:07:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's great.

• 2:07:15Speaker 02

  I love him to death.

• 2:07:16Speaker 03

  Such a good guy.

• 2:07:16Speaker 02

  What I was getting at was that he, um, was taking ibuprofen. He was taking eight hundred milligrams a day. And, uh, I didn't know he was taking that much. And I was talking to him on the phone once, and he was telling me, yeah, I take eight hundred milligrams a day. I was like, whoa, wait a minute. How much? I go, you do that every day? And I go, why? He goes, I'm in pain. I'm in pain all the time, and I want to keep running. And so then I sent him some information that Rhonda Patrick, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, put out about the problem with ibuprofen, the problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis, and what, what it does to your gut biome. So he stopped taking it. He said, well, fuck, I don't want to ruin my body. Let me just stop taking it.

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  The pain that he was experiencing went away after he stopped taking eight hundred milligrams of ibuprofen a day. And he realized that the pain that he was experiencing was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti-inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome. So he's taking all-

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Because his gut was messed up.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  Exactly. So he's taking all this eight hundred milligrams of ibuprofen every day. It's torching his gut biome. That's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body, and he's in pain all the time. He gets off of the ibuprofen, the pain goes away.

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  Isn't that wild?

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  But you get brainwashed into thinking, I need all these things. Meanwhile, turmeric and curcumin, and there's a bunch of different anti-inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance, and they're much better for you and healthy. And you can, you know, get them from food.

• 2:08:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, all the natural stuff. And then I feel like contrast therapy is so helpful too, you know?

• 2:08:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:08:57Speaker 03

  Like doing sauna, cold plunge, sauna, cold plunge.

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:00Speaker 03

  Anytime I'm injured, that's, that's what I go to, you know? I hit up Cam actually one time, and I was like, Cam, I'm, uh, I just did a half marathon. I'm about to do another one. What do you suggest? He's like, Trav, get yourself an ilk.

• 2:09:15Speaker 03

  I was like, Cam, remember who you're talking to, you know?

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  So for you, is the vegan thing just all animals? It's an animal love thing?

• 2:09:23Speaker 03

  Uh, nah, it wasn't even, it, it, it is, it is that. Like, I, I am kind of under the, the, the thought process of if I love one, if I have a dog and I love a dog, I love, I kind of love all animals, right? Like, I, I love all animals the same. I'm not like, I'm gonna eat that one. I'm gonna shoot that one, but I love my dog.

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:09:42Speaker 03

  It's a little contradicting to me, you know, but, uh, but I, I didn't even know any of these things at a young age. I remember food would be put in front of me, and there would be ham, whatever, and I would just naturally put the ham in my, ham in my pocket and eat like the mac and cheese or whatever else, the spinach. And, because my dad had this rule. He's like, you eat everything, or you don't get up from the fucking table, straight up. I don't care if you're there for three hours. That, that's what it was. Because your mom spent time making the food. You gotta eat the food, or you don't leave the table. So I'd pocket it, and then my mom, my mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes. So it started like that, and then next was, oh, ham is actually this, hot dog is actually this, hamburger is this.

• 2:10:27Speaker 03

  And I'm like, whoa, I just thought a hamburger was a hamburger.

• 2:10:30Speaker 02

  I didn't realize it was cow meat.

• 2:10:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:32Speaker 03

  So I just naturally didn't like, I was already like not liking the taste or the texture, right? So I was like, okay, whatever. And so vegetarian from the time I was a kid, all the way up until my accident, and then after my accident, vegan. So it wasn't really about animals. It was just, at that time, it was like, I just, I wasn't drawn to eat that stuff. That's not, that's not what I was into.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  What about eggs?

• 2:10:57Speaker 03

  I loved bean and cheese burritos. I grew up on bean and cheese burritos from bakers.

• 2:11:01Speaker 02

  I love a good bean and cheese burrito.

• 2:11:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, from where I grew up, you know?

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  Good bean and cheese burrito with hot sauce?

• 2:11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can't beat it. So that's kind of like what I was raised on.

• 2:11:09Speaker 02

  But there's cheese in bean and cheese burritos.

• 2:11:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I wasn't vegan until twenty years ago, you know, so I would have dairy.

• 2:11:15Speaker 02

  But do you ever eat eggs?

• 2:11:17Speaker 03

  Never.

• 2:11:17Speaker 02

  No? You, you know, if you have your own chickens, it's a pretty karma-free food. Because like I have chickens, I have nineteen chickens, and they're pets. So they wander around the yard, have a good time, like, hey, ladies. Like, there's, they have no cruelty. No one's doing anything bad to them. They go into their nest boxes and they lay eggs, and then you just gather the eggs. The eggs will never be a chicken because they're not fertilized. It's just food.

• 2:11:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  It's just free food. I mean, it's not free. You pay for chicken food, and you take care of them and all that stuff. But I mean, in terms of like, it's karma-free. There's no one's getting hurt. Like, literally, no one is getting hurt. The chickens will lay an egg almost every day.

• 2:11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:58Speaker 02

  And so we have like baskets of eggs in my house. We always have eggs.

• 2:12:01Speaker 03

  I think for whatever, for whatever reason, now it's like anything, and there, and there's this amazing, it's actually, I think they, they market it as a protein, a vegan protein, but you make egg whites out of it. And it's phenomenal.

• 2:12:16Speaker 02

  What's it made of?

• 2:12:17Speaker 03

  And it has the same amount of protein as egg whites do.

• 2:12:20Speaker 02

  Does it have the same amino acid profile?

• 2:12:22Speaker 03

  I think so. Maybe if, see if it comes up.

• 2:12:25Speaker 02

  What is it called?

• 2:12:28Speaker 03

  I have it in my phone somewhere, but I don't have my phone.

• 2:12:31Speaker 02

  Jimmy would probably find it.

• 2:12:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:32Speaker 02

  So it's like.

• 2:12:33Speaker 03

  It's like, and it's not just egg or, or one of the basic ones. It's one that I, my daughter had sent me and it's bananas. You make, uh, you make omelets out of it and it's just incredible. And you get tons of protein, but I think after I, after I ate beef jerky in a hospital for six months, I was like, peace. I'm gonna be vegan, I'm gonna be vegan, watch this. And then I stopped like, I stopped kinda having anything that came from animals, period, just to see what it would be like. Like, I don't have honey.

• 2:13:05Speaker 02

  Even honey?

• 2:13:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, no honey. And I just feel fucking good, like I have tons of energy. I can, I, I have no lack of energy. I, you know? I feel great, I feel like I, I operate like I, I don't know, just feel the best I, I've ever felt like how I am right now.

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• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I think everyone's different.

• 2:15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:36Speaker 02

  And that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there is a bunch of different options for people to try and find what, whatever works for you.

• 2:15:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, even within my family, like my one daughter is vegetarian. My son eats meat, my wife eats meat. My youngest son has meat sometimes. It's like, whatever, whatever everyone decides is what I'm cool with, you know?

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 2:15:56Speaker 03

  And that's just what works for me.

• 2:15:58Speaker 02

  That's a great attitude. But I think you also have it dialed in, like you have whatever diet you're on dialed in, where you know you're getting the right amount of protein. And there's a, there's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have a complete amino acid profile.

• 2:16:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:13Speaker 02

  I know hemp is one.

• 2:16:14Speaker 03

  Those perfect aminos that Gary makes.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:18Speaker 03

  Those are a game changer. You take five in the morning, five at night, game changer.

• 2:16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, that stuff's awesome.

• 2:16:24Speaker 03

  But it was, it was, uh, I, I won't say it's like not hard to dial it in. It, it is difficult to dial it in, it is, you, you gotta navigate just like anything else, right?

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  Right, there's so many people that they go vegan, but then they just eat like vegan pizza and they don't, you know?

• 2:16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Crossroads, your restaurant, I still have never been, but everybody that I know that went says it's fucking phenomenal. Like even Dana, who does not like, Dana White, who does not like vegan food. He's like, dude, it's fucking incredible. He goes, it's incredible.

• 2:16:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, I think when, uh, you probably don't know what to expect, right? When you go to a plant-based restaurant.

• 2:16:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:58Speaker 03

  But Tal Ronan, the chef on, at, from Crossroads is just, he's incredible. And, and the food, it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan. It's not even on the menu that it's plant-based.

• 2:17:10Speaker 02

  That's awesome. There's a place in the valley that I used to go to all the time. God, I can't remember the name of it now, it's escaping me.

• 2:17:16Speaker 03

  Was it Follow Your Heart?

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:18Speaker 03

  I go every day.

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:19Speaker 03

  So good.

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  That place is great. And that's another completely plant-based restaurant. We used to go there all the time.

• 2:17:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's so good.

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  When I lived in LA. Yeah, Follow Your Heart was pretty close.

• 2:17:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have a, they have a, a little cafe where you can eat in a grocery store. Supplements and stuff, it's cool.

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's great. Their nut burger. Very good.

• 2:17:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  It's like really, I would crave it.

• 2:17:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's cool. I'm like, I, I love, I love just everyone being open-minded and, you know what I mean?

• 2:17:47Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I'll try anything.

• 2:17:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:50Speaker 02

  For me personally, what I've tried, I eat more meat than anything. I eat meat, mostly meat. Mostly wild game. But I eat a lot of rib eyes and steak and that just makes me feel the best. You know, I don't love animal cruelty, I don't like it. I don't think it's good in any way, shape or form, but I also realize that animals eat animals. Life eats life.

• 2:18:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:11Speaker 02

  And this is just, and the thing about hunting is, I'm in complete contact with where my food's coming from. I know the source of it, I'm there when the animal dies. I, I'm there, I do it. I participate in the whole thing, I carry it out of the woods, you know? I cut it up, bring it to a butcher shop and have it, you know, packaged into steaks.

• 2:18:36Speaker 03

  I'm thinking of Cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood, you know, we have deer in Calabasas, he was eyeballing them.

• 2:18:42Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 2:18:42Speaker 03

  He was eyeballing them, I'm like, don't even fucking think about it.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  Of course he was.

• 2:18:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was like, oh, look at that, look at that.

• 2:18:50Speaker 02

  Right behind the shoulder.

• 2:18:51Speaker 03

  I'm looking at him like, oh, look at the cool family of deer. He's like, oh shit, that's like food, you know?

• 2:18:56Speaker 02

  It's food.

• 2:18:56Speaker 03

  It's so funny.

• 2:18:57Speaker 02

  Well, especially him.

• 2:18:59Speaker 03

  But yeah, I, I, I totally, like I said, I get it, you know?

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  It's cool that you're so open-minded about that, that you do, and you're not judgmental. It's, I think that's a great attitude to have that more people should adopt with everything, with political ideologies, religion, whatever it is.

• 2:19:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I hate that like.

• 2:19:16Speaker 02

  Just don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you, I'd like to hear your opinions on things, cause I, I'd like to know where people, where, where they form their thoughts from. What's your perspective?

• 2:19:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hate when, uh, anyone from in either side of things are so aggressive. That where like, you just bum everybody out, you know?

• 2:19:36Speaker 02

  They do, and I also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a healthy place to begin with. I think a lot of people find a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole. And, uh, whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology, whatever it is. They find a thing that they can call you out because you fuck you, you're the fucking reason, man, fuck you, man. And it's just, what's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole. And they're not a balanced person or a happy, healthy person. It's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument.

• 2:20:21Speaker 02

  But if you're starting that, initiating that, because someone doesn't, does someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way they're doing? First of all, you're a shitty communicator and two, you're probably a shitty person. Because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving. And you're using this point, whatever it is, whether it's being a vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat or being in his, uh, Muslim or being a Christian or whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous. You're, what you really are is just a shitty version of a person. Whether you realize it or not, you probably don't, probably don't even, probably think you're justified and that's why you're doing it. And you probably think, I'm doing the right thing. And everyone's like, I love it that you have no chill.

• 2:21:04Speaker 02

  He's got no chill, like, no, no, he's a cunt. This guy's a cunt and he's a miserable and sufferable person to be around. Regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system. And if he had a perspective that was, I don't know why you think the way you think, but I think differently, let's have a conversation. You might find common ground.

• 2:21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally.

• 2:21:24Speaker 02

  You might be able to realize like, oh, you can have friends that don't think the way you think. I have friends that are Muslims, I have friends that are atheists, I have, I have, I have gay friends. I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, I love them, it's great. You're, you don't, everyone doesn't have to be you. Everyone doesn't have to be the same as you, nor do they have to agree with you.

• 2:21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:48Speaker 02

  But there's too many people that what they're looking for is some reason why they're right. And some reason to be an asshole to other people that don't think the same way they think. And they think that they're justified by it. And I think there, it's a real problem. It's also a real problem with social media, because those people, their voices get amplified and people pile in, yeah, you go boy, or you go girl, and.

• 2:22:10Speaker 03

  I feel like anyone who can like look at, I mean, social media is, it's corny to begin with, right? But you're gonna go on Instagram, then you're gonna say something extreme or fucked up to someone, it's like, dude, you're so, you're so lame. Like that you actually took the, the time to think about writing something bad, then wrote it, then pressed send, like, you're fucked up. You know what I mean? Like straight up, like anyone that's gonna say or spew negativity, I'm like.

• 2:22:36Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:22:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, no place for it.

• 2:22:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's just weakness. And I guarantee you, you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life, with whatever you're pursuing. You're, you're, you're not.

• 2:22:48Speaker 03

  They're lacking somewhere.

• 2:22:49Speaker 02

  Optimized, yeah.

• 2:22:50Speaker 03

  For sure, you know?

• 2:22:51Speaker 02

  Like, that's why they, they choose the time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people or have the least charitable take on people. It's usually they're lacking, they're usually at least somewhat mediocre. There's always usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing and they're lashing out at other people. Which is fine, but it's also like, other people can learn from that too, like, God, that guy seems like a cunt. And then don't be a cunt, you know?

• 2:23:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:18Speaker 02

  Realize that and go, oh, okay. Yeah, I kinda see that myself sometimes, maybe I should, maybe a little self-correction is in order.

• 2:23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're like, I don't ever wanna be like that.

• 2:23:27Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:23:28Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  Exactly. Or the opposite, when someone's like. Has like a really objective charitable take on someone like, hey, man, maybe he thinks this way and you know, maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly. And we can find common ground like some, you read someone saying something like that and you go, oh, I want to be more like that guy, like that guy, like I like the way that guy thinks like that. That's inspiring to me like that to me like that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with. They're not going to be, they're not going to use it as an excuse to be aggressive and excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean. Cause you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that, you're just not, you know, and you, will you, will you get the peanut gallery to pile in?

• 2:24:12Speaker 02

  Great. So you've got team cunt. You've got a little cunt farm behind you and you're all attacking all these other people and you think somehow another you're justified. Because there's some other flawed people that agree with you. That you're allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think the way you think, or because they only eat plants, or because they worship this god or like, come on.

• 2:24:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel like David Goggins has it figured out how he like, how he just listens to all his haters or whatever. And he like runs or exercises like that's the, that's the shit, like use it as a tool, you know?

• 2:24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you're better off not even listen to the haters. He's insane. Every time I talk to him, like he's so insane.

• 2:24:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, like I said, yeah, anyone that's going to say anything is so, so lame right off the jump.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's a lot of lame people in this world, unfortunately, because there's a lot of people that don't have a, you know, it's hard to be a person. It's complicated. People don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy.

• 2:25:09Speaker 03

  And I think you have to, like, I'm disciplined, like sometimes I'll read something and I'll be like, you motherfucker like. But I'm like, oh no, I can't do, I can't do what they do, right? Like I can't, I can't, I can't stoop to that level.

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  Especially you're Travis Barker. Like you're a famous guy. Like if you do what they do, it's a different thing. Like if you go back at them, it's, that is one of the lamest things. When you see celebrities going at like fans in the comments like, what are you? Take your phone away. Take his phone away. Like who, who's letting you do that?

• 2:25:43Speaker 03

  We don't want to see you do that. The people who love your music or whatever.

• 2:25:47Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. How many people have like ruined other people's opinions of them because of doing something like that? Or going on some lame fucking rant against someone because of the way they voted, or the way they view this, or the way they, you know, whatever it is.

• 2:26:04Speaker 03

  Luckily, like the hate, the hate, like I get the weird, I, I get the weirdest hate. It's not even really hate, but it's just something like they know they're like throwing darts from across the room at me is like, oh, bro, he's like a Kardashian now, or he married a Kardashian. I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian and just say fuck you. You know what I mean? It's about like the, like that even shows you, I clearly don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? Like, and, and my, my wife isn't like, uh, uh, I can't label her like that. She's my wife. She's my, my soulmate, right? I love her to death, but to think like, have you seen me change?

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Well, that's not at all.

• 2:26:45Speaker 03

  Have you seen me like dressed it? Dog, I dress, I dress so different, obviously than my wife or her family. Like I'm, I've continued to be my own person. I, I've looked the same. I've wore the same Dicky's pants, the same band shoes. I've had the same tattoos that stopped me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old. Fuck you. You know what I mean? Straight up fuck you. And, uh, and that's why, I, I mean punk rock is not about music either. It's about like, you don't, you don't care what anyone thinks, right? As long as you're going through this world, you're doing, yeah, you are who you are and you're not hurting anybody. That, that's punk rock.

• 2:27:20Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together. Like, look at this, two people from totally different worlds that love each other. That's cool.

• 2:27:27Speaker 03

  Oh, it's the best, it's the best. It's just, only a hater would, would think that other way though, right? You know, um.

• 2:27:33Speaker 02

  But if you started getting all your tattoos lasered off and you started wearing designer clothes.

• 2:27:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I started dressing like a lame and I start, yeah, of course, like dude, come for me, you know? Please, please. Uh, but yeah, that's like, that's one that's always like funny to me. I'm like.

• 2:27:49Speaker 02

  Well, there's the problem with like, you know, whenever there's anything that's happening publicly, you're living your life publicly. There's always going to be hate.

• 2:27:57Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. And Wayne said it, Lil Wayne said it a, a long time ago. I remember he told me, he's like, dog, you, you, you haven't made it until you have haters. You know you're successful the minute motherfuckers start hating on you.

• 2:28:10Speaker 02

  You ever seen Cat Williams bit on haters? Oh, pull that up.

• 2:28:14Speaker 03

  Oh, I bet, I bet it's great.

• 2:28:17Speaker 02

  He's got a fantastic bit on haters about people complaining about haters.

• 2:28:25Speaker 02

  It's the same kind of thing. Have you found it anywhere?

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  Is, you can't say Cat Williams on haters?

• 2:28:33Speaker 03

  No, I did, but what I've come, oh, I guess it does say haters. Hold on.

• 2:28:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's got a whole, I think the bit's titled haters. Okay, give me some volume.

• 2:28:42Speaker 05

  You gotta get your motherfucking hustle. Understand niggas is gonna hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where niggas ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What the fuck is you complaining about? What the fuck do you think a hater's job is to fucking hate? So let them motherfuckers do their goddamn job. What the fuck is you complaining about? Ladies, if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the fuck to get to 16 before the summer get here. What the fuck is you mad about?

• 2:29:13Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 2:29:13Speaker 05

  Ladies, if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. What is you complaining about? If there's any haters in here right now that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back there and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is bitch.

• 2:29:29Speaker 03

  That's so good. So true. So true.

• 2:29:32Speaker 02

  It comes with the territory. This is the job we chose. This is the life we chose. You're gonna get haters.

• 2:29:39Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 2:29:40Speaker 02

  But it's your, you know, it's your obligation to manage the waters. And you, you don't have to dive in and fucking.

• 2:29:48Speaker 03

  Never.

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  Swing in their own shit and waddle around with them like pigs.

• 2:29:53Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 2:29:54Speaker 02

  It's not necessary. No, but it's a complicated world.

• 2:29:58Speaker 03

  Never would I, you know?

• 2:30:00Speaker 02

  No. A lot of people do unfortunately. It just, but it's also, this is a new thing. Like this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that online. If, you know, people choose to be on social media, like you have direct access to all kinds of people and they're going to read your comments. And people know that, if you're a person who reads comments. And so they go and attack you and it's a weird world that a lot of famous people don't know how to navigate. And a lot of people, they get like severe anxiety because they do read that shit. And then they're like, hole up their home by themselves staring at their phone. You're in a fucking giant mansion, living like a baller. You got a Ferrari. Meanwhile, you're in hell.

• 2:30:38Speaker 03

  Like I said, yeah, if you're not hurting anybody and it's like, you know what I mean? Like life, life's good.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:30:45Speaker 02

  And also you'll feel better if you're not doing that.

• 2:30:47Speaker 03

  Totally. Or they say like, if you do read it and you find any truth in it, like it's your chance to fix it, right? It's your chance to whatever, or, or use it as like motivation, you know?

• 2:30:59Speaker 02

  Like Goggins does.

• 2:31:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, even if the shit they're, they're spewing is so false and fairy tale. It's like still, you know what I mean?

• 2:31:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:31:07Speaker 03

  Go, go lift or go box or go play drums or go, go do whatever you do, you know?

• 2:31:13Speaker 02

  Use it as energy.

• 2:31:14Speaker 03

  That always feels good. Cause yeah, none of it, none of it really like sits with you, you know?

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  Well, and I understand haters too. I mean, I've always said this, that if I was a 15 year old kid and somebody gave me a Twitter account, I could get ahold of someone like me and talk shit to them, I 100% would.

• 2:31:30Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:31:31Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:31:32Speaker 03

  As a kid, like I don't, I don't even know what it would be like because we didn't have it. But I also know like from where, uh, you know, punk rock was, has always been very finicky. Very, very sensitive, right? You know, if a band gets popular, everyone's like, I fucking hate them. They're on the radio. Fuck that band. They have fans now. They can act, they can eat, they can fucking, you know what I mean? Pay rent, fuck them. You know, it's like that, you know, skateboarding, which I like, changed my, my life and raised me. Skateboarding is also, they're very strict, you know, about, about who can call themselves a skater. Or, you know, there's just all the, all these things. There's like, when, when all these things should just be celebrated.

• 2:32:15Speaker 03

  Like skateboarding is fucking cool. It's like some of the coolest people in the world, you know, skateboard and, and skateboarding's taught most of the world like how to dress properly. And serious, like, I mean, a, a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dress like skateboarders. Skateboarders like set it off, like they had the best taste from the jump, you know?

• 2:32:37Speaker 02

  How do you think that happened? Why, how did skateboarders develop such a great sense of style in your opinion?

• 2:32:43Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know, it's just, it's just one of those things like even from back in the day like-

• 2:32:48Speaker 02

  Why that particular activity would have like a whole like style associated with it?

• 2:32:54Speaker 03

  I mean, I grew up with like huge pants and like t-shirts and, and just vans, you know, skateboarding and beanies, you know, that's like, I don't know, but everything from the time skate videos were released, they were secretly, maybe they didn't know about it, but they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was. And at the time, music was so categorized, like you're either a punk rocker, you like country, you like rap, you like that. Skate videos were everything. The illest, best music of every genre. So you, a bunch of skate kids were growing up listening to Operation Ivy and loving The Far Side, you know? So it was like

• 2:33:35Speaker 03

  happily confused. They just knew the best of every world. It was different, you know?

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  It's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity.

• 2:33:47Speaker 03

  Well, then you had Lil Wayne who learned how to skateboard halfway through his career and I feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him.

• 2:33:59Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:34:01Speaker 03

  So, and some people don't even know, I feel like punk rock and skateboarding, I mean Playboy Carti wears punk rock clothes. His, his whole aesthetic is punk rock, you know? Um, where did he get it from? Got it from punk rock, you know, like it was born there. And, uh, I hate gatekeepers, right? I, I love what he's done with it. And I love that all these new groups of kids that love Carti and love Ken Carson are, they're dressing like punkers. They might not even know it. They just think they're dressing like, you know, their favorite rapper, but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding.

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:34:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:40Speaker 02

  I can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that.

• 2:34:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, there really isn't. Like BMX people, you know, riders, yeah, they're wearing pads and stuff. I mean, BMX was really cool. I love BMX, but yeah, and there's nothing like,

• 2:34:54Speaker 02

  There's not like a clothing style that's associated with?

• 2:34:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, and skateboarding and punk rock were like this.

• 2:34:59Speaker 02

  Right. Well, it's rebellion, right?

• 2:35:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  It's being an outcast. It's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people that are like you understand it.

• 2:35:09Speaker 03

  But it could have been, right? Like skateboarding could have been, well, couldn't have, I can't even say this, like, but like, it's a skateboard. It could have been athletic. It could have been sporty.

• 2:35:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:20Speaker 03

  It was from the get-go. It was raw.

• 2:35:22Speaker 02

  Gritty.

• 2:35:22Speaker 03

  And it was gritty and it was, it's also one of the hardest things as far as like the amount of falls and injuries you take. You gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of concussions.

• 2:35:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:34Speaker 02

  Lot of guys when they're doing tricks fall on their fucking head.

• 2:35:37Speaker 03

  The board hitting your shins over and over again, breaking arms, breaking legs.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  It's-

• 2:35:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's a gnarly sport.

• 2:35:44Speaker 02

  Especially if you're doing it in these urban environments where people are trying to go down railings and-

• 2:35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, street skating. It's like, it's just whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street, you know? Pretty cool.

• 2:35:57Speaker 02

  It is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it.

• 2:36:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it, that it kind of mirrors like punk rock aesthetics.

• 2:36:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. And both the genres are, are very protective, you know?

• 2:36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Weird.

• 2:36:16Speaker 03

  It's cool.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  It is cool.

• 2:36:18Speaker 03

  But maybe it should be protected. Maybe that's why it's still so cool, you know?

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Well, for them, for the people that are protecting it, like it's, it means something to them. It's probably their haven from the standard society, the pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want. And so like this thing is like a church to them.

• 2:36:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:40Speaker 02

  It's like sacrif-, it's like religious.

• 2:36:42Speaker 03

  I mean, when I was 13, I felt like an outcast and it was skaters against jocks where I grew up. It was like jocks and you played football or you were a skateboarder, which basically you listen to punk rock music, you listen to faction, you listen to DRI, you listen to whatever, and we looked really different. So we were, we were outcasts, you know?

• 2:37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Alright. Should we wrap this up?

• 2:37:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was amazing.

• 2:37:09Speaker 02

  Brother, always good to see you, man.

• 2:37:11Speaker 03

  So good to see you.

• 2:37:11Speaker 02

  Always good to see you. Um, this documentary, when can people watch it?

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  It's out on Hulu right now.

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  Right here. And we're looking at the-

• 2:37:22Speaker 03

  It's the crash. And when I think about it, I have the worst flashbacks.

• 2:37:27Speaker 06

  I've got two on the ground with burns over here.

• 2:37:33Speaker 07

  Get a hand in this, man!

• 2:37:40Speaker 03

  The last thing my mom said to me was just play drums. The drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body.

• 2:37:48Speaker 01

  A lot of people came just to watch him.

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  He just had this, oh, you're gonna get picked up by a band and you will be a star attraction.

• 2:37:56Speaker 07

  I told him, you better get yourself a job, boy. And he said, no, dad.

• 2:37:59Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go play in a punk rock band and I won't have a plan B. It's [BLEEP] Rob.

• 2:38:06Speaker 03

  Mark and Tom come up to me and he said, our drummer just left. Would you consider playing? The show starts in an hour.

• 2:38:15Speaker 03

  They felt effortless.

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  Things were just exploding. That was quite a wild ride.

• 2:38:20Speaker 03

  I was touring with Blink non-stop. I was taking so many pills that I had a security guard whose only job was to watch me sleep and make sure I was breathing. It was all a blur. And then came the crash.

• 2:38:37Speaker 03

  Just fire and chaos everywhere. 65% of my body was burned. 27 surgeries.

• 2:38:46Speaker 03

  Falling from the sky like Icarus, probably does something to your head.

• 2:38:51Speaker 03

  I walk in the room and I don't cry ever, but we cried, bro. Che and Chris were like brothers to me. And then AM passing away a year later.

• 2:39:04Speaker 03

  Why am I here when everyone else isn't? I had to ask myself who I was gonna be after this accident.

• 2:39:12Speaker 08

  I could never truly understand what he went through.

• 2:39:17Speaker 03

  I had this burning desire to become the greatest person and father I could be.

• 2:39:23Speaker 08

  He changed for the whole family and I feel like brought us closer together.

• 2:39:28Speaker 08

  We loved him trying to cook for us, going on bike rides.

• 2:39:32Speaker 03

  Knowing how close I got to not being here, my appreciation for life is something I can't even explain.

• 2:39:39Speaker 08

  Every hit is him communicating his story to the world.

• 2:39:46Speaker 08

  Dude, he has got a crazy story.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Wow. That looks awesome.

• 2:39:56Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:39:57Speaker 02

  Fuck. Thanks, brother.

• 2:39:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 2:40:01Speaker 02

  Bye, brother.